| 00:00.27 | zratchet | or bzflag players ;) |
| 00:01.16 | [dmp] | if you want bzfkag players in general, you could post at the forums at: my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 00:01.56 | zratchet | ok... |
| 00:01.58 | zratchet | maybe |
| 00:02.12 | zratchet | its byoc and a payfor event... but... might be good |
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| 00:11.14 | SportChick | sgk284: what kind? |
| 00:11.24 | SportChick | oh, jitter? |
| 00:13.29 | DTRemenak | awww nuts, I'm gonna lose all my uptime :( |
| 00:17.02 | DTRemenak | 165 days and 19 hours, just reset to 0 |
| 00:18.08 | uso_w | my sympathies :) |
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| 00:20.41 | SportChick | question: if you set perms for a group so that they cannot talk, cna they still talk to admins? |
| 00:21.06 | DTRemenak_lap | in 2.0.2, no. in 2.0.3, yes |
| 00:21.27 | SportChick | DTRemenak: thanks |
| 00:22.45 | SportChick | DTRemenak: can it be set so they can't talk to anyone, if you want? |
| 00:23.12 | DTRemenak_lap | SportChick: I THINK so but I'm not sure |
| 00:23.22 | DTRemenak_lap | take that back, yes it can |
| 00:23.30 | DTRemenak_lap | remove both TALK and ADMINMESSAGESEND |
| 00:26.29 | DTRemenak_lap | heh, always fun to install an OS with release codename "Amnesiac"... |
| 00:27.12 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 00:27.17 | SportChick | DTRemenak: thanks |
| 00:27.58 | DTRemenak_lap | np |
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| 00:57.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): shadows |
| 01:06.06 | BearPerson | any admins of viper.pimpi.org awake? |
| 01:07.18 | BearPerson | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 01:07.53 | BearPerson | (there are too many players on yet again) |
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| 01:09.59 | menotume | hmmm. is redsozfan still masterbanned ? |
| 01:10.39 | menotume | he's playing on Ducati with the IP that's in the master banlist |
| 01:10.58 | DTRemenak_lap | someone needs to do /masterban reload on ducati |
| 01:10.58 | BearPerson | strange things are happening |
| 01:11.03 | menotume | ahh |
| 01:11.08 | menotume | k :) |
| 01:11.15 | BearPerson | viper has more players on the server than are allowed... |
| 01:11.26 | menotume | oh yeah, that' a known bug |
| 01:11.38 | menotume | superkill to fix it |
| 01:12.04 | menotume | thx, DTRemenak |
| 01:12.47 | DTRemenak_lap | patches welcome :) |
| 01:12.59 | menotume | that's a new one |
| 01:13.03 | menotume | :) |
| 01:13.06 | DTRemenak_lap | :) |
| 01:13.13 | BearPerson | what's causing it? |
| 01:13.35 | menotume | dunno |
| 01:14.51 | menotume | lol, viper is almost double the cap |
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| 01:38.17 | DTRemenak_lap | uso_w: which secrets do you want to know? |
| 01:38.31 | uso_w | why are available shots "randomly" distributed over the slots? |
| 01:38.38 | DTRemenak_lap | they aren't random |
| 01:38.42 | DTRemenak_lap | they're fixed |
| 01:38.57 | uso_w | wouldn't it be easier to recognize if they are in a row |
| 01:38.58 | uso_w | ? |
| 01:39.00 | DTRemenak_lap | you'll notice a pattern if you watch it for a while |
| 01:39.19 | DTRemenak_lap | what do you mean? |
| 01:40.31 | uso_w | if i have 10 shots and 4 are ready to fire it would be easier if the first 4 or the last 4 slots were white and not e.g. slot 3, 4 7 and 9 |
| 01:40.38 | DTRemenak_lap | ah |
| 01:41.09 | DTRemenak_lap | might be nicer, yeah. be more work though :) |
| 01:41.15 | uso_w | should be like a pyramid |
| 01:42.15 | uso_w | the other question for me is, do i really need to know when every shot will be reloaded again |
| 01:42.33 | DTRemenak_lap | depends on the game |
| 01:42.50 | uso_w | wouldn't it be enough to see how many shots are available and when the next one will be available? |
| 01:43.16 | DTRemenak_lap | I find it helpful to know when the next couple show up |
| 01:43.31 | DTRemenak_lap | like: should I fire one shot now, or a burst of two in n ms |
| 01:44.02 | uso_w | but can you get this information from the rather complex display while watching the game otherwise? |
| 01:44.14 | uso_w | i'm probably not good enough for that :) |
| 01:44.27 | DTRemenak_lap | it's a very simple display imho :) |
| 01:44.45 | DTRemenak_lap | probably stacking them in the order they'll be available would make it better |
| 01:44.57 | DTRemenak_lap | but I've been playing with it on for a while, and have found it quite helpful :) |
| 01:45.06 | uso_w | if it would be "sorted" may be it's easier to recognize |
| 01:45.22 | uso_w | but a good idea at all :) |
| 01:45.24 | trepan | ... and a little blending makes it less obrusive |
| 01:45.40 | trepan | s/ob/obt |
| 01:45.41 | uso_w | yes, would be nice too |
| 01:45.49 | DTRemenak_lap | yeah, I thought about that |
| 01:46.13 | DTRemenak_lap | then I decided to put it in and see if anyone liked it before playing with it too much :) |
| 01:46.22 | uso_w | another proposal: instead of option on/off make it off/left/right |
| 01:46.42 | DTRemenak_lap | left overlaps the scoreboard :( |
| 01:47.21 | uso_w | hmm, ok, i'm mostly driving without this, gives me a few fps more ;) |
| 01:47.25 | DTRemenak_lap | wouldn't be too hard to add a toggle though. patches welcome :) |
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| 02:03.34 | bz9214 | what's the file that shows the stats of your server? |
| 02:03.38 | bz9214 | if there is one |
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| 02:23.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: couple of changes to reload indicator, revert at your leisure |
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| 02:31.49 | spldart | [rant] |
| 02:32.15 | spldart | I hate it when I get on hepcat on one team... start playing for a while... take a short break to chase down kids and get things back inline... |
| 02:32.34 | spldart | Then I log back into the game as the same team but pop up the other :mad: |
| 02:32.38 | spldart | [/rant] |
| 02:32.59 | spldart | I freakan TK'd :( |
| 02:33.51 | wegstar | hehe.. guess you shouldn't have closed "rant" that early :) |
| 02:33.59 | wegstar | [OT] |
| 02:34.01 | spldart | My old arse brain takes a while to gear up for one color or the other |
| 02:34.01 | wegstar | ... |
| 02:34.07 | wegstar | [/OT] |
| 02:34.09 | wegstar | :) |
| 02:34.26 | spldart | [rant = OT) |
| 02:34.34 | spldart | [/rant = OT[ |
| 02:34.36 | spldart | sorry |
| 02:34.55 | spldart | I'm sure teh greenies are pissed at me now :( |
| 02:35.35 | spldart | Stuff inside [rant] = yelling at myself |
| 02:35.50 | spldart | stuff after is indignant speech inflection |
| 02:36.10 | wegstar | ah |
| 02:36.26 | spldart | [indignant] heh |
| 02:37.08 | spldart | Now I feel like poopies :( |
| 02:37.18 | DTRemenak_lap | you look like it too! |
| 02:37.25 | spldart | lemme check the banlist for any knew rising stars |
| 02:37.29 | spldart | Geez |
| 02:38.14 | bzflagwiz | hrm - just discovered a possible but. If you /kill someone, the "killee" does not see a change in their score...but everyone else does... |
| 02:38.30 | DTRemenak_lap | nifty. someone should probably fix that |
| 02:38.40 | bzflagwiz | um - that's "bug" not "but" |
| 02:39.07 | bzflagwiz | i'll look at it later, but thought I'd at least mention it :) |
| 02:39.21 | bzflagwiz | after kids are in bed :) |
| 02:39.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: swap reload indicator colors |
| 02:39.32 | trepan | green is good, green is go |
| 02:39.55 | DTRemenak_lap | I was avoiding green for the r/g colorblind folks |
| 02:40.23 | DTRemenak_lap | but whatever |
| 02:40.32 | trepan | needed something to show the end of the line |
| 02:40.37 | DTRemenak_lap | ah |
| 02:41.02 | DTRemenak_lap | so I probably sound like an idiot :) |
| 02:41.03 | trepan | just that, and sorting |
| 02:41.18 | DTRemenak_lap | cool :) |
| 02:42.08 | trepan | still find it distracting... |
| 02:42.27 | DTRemenak_lap | that's the reason I put an option to turn it off :) |
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| 02:43.03 | trepan | putting it under the altimeter's 0 line might do the trick |
| 02:43.12 | trepan | bz is all about the x/y plane... |
| 02:43.15 | uso_w | trepan is a lot faster than me :) |
| 02:43.21 | spldart | I should probably stick to rogue and shoot everything moving under it's own power |
| 02:43.39 | DTRemenak_lap | feel free to play with it. mostly I was copying 1.8 because I liked the idea :) |
| 02:43.39 | spldart | I went back and apologized to the peeps in hepcat |
| 02:44.29 | uso_w | have it on the left but get lost in the config options |
| 02:44.57 | uso_w | so i wait for anon cvs ... |
| 02:47.38 | bzflagwiz | how long does it normally take for committed changes to show up on anon cvs? |
| 02:48.27 | trepan | up to 5 hrs, iirc |
| 02:48.45 | bzflagwiz | does it take that long if you have a login? |
| 02:49.07 | wegstar | ouch |
| 02:49.17 | DTRemenak_lap | no; part of the point of cvs is that changes are instantaneous |
| 02:49.59 | DTRemenak_lap | anoncvs is on a synchronize schedule instead of instant to reduce server load |
| 02:50.29 | bzflagwiz | well, I *thought* that sounded kinda silly, but just wondered about the difference (which you just answered) |
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| 02:51.47 | wegstar | ~seen noyb |
| 02:51.56 | ibot | noyb <~noyb@wbar2.lax1-4-8-213-215.dsl-verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 41d 3h 29m 50s ago, saying: '~bzfquery bzflag.blah.pl:5257'. |
| 03:03.13 | uso_w | trepan: do not know what you have changed with the shot renderer, but may be putting it into the mouse box in horizontal direction like a "normal" bar chart, using the full horizontal width of the mouse box |
| 03:03.42 | uso_w | this may less distract as it's on the bottom of the view |
| 03:04.20 | uso_w | using the lower mouse box line as the base line for the shot renderer |
| 03:07.17 | spldart | ~seen spldart |
| 03:07.18 | ibot | spldart is currently on #bzflag (35m 38s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 03:07.26 | spldart | That's cool |
| 03:08.07 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:09.00 | DTRemenak_lap | !seen spldart |
| 03:09.01 | guu | DTRemenak_lap: spldart was last seen here 1 minute and 34 seconds ago saying: <spldart> That's cool |
| 03:23.28 | spldart | sweet |
| 03:23.45 | spldart | !seen DTRemenak_lap |
| 03:23.46 | guu | spldart: DTRemenak_lap was last seen here 14 minutes and 46 seconds ago saying: <DTRemenak_lap> !seen spldart |
| 03:23.51 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:24.06 | spldart | 8-D |
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| 04:40.28 | spldart | Generally... People coming onto your server and trying to get people to go over to theirs is considered bad right? |
| 04:41.15 | spldart | I got a user gbbiya trying to pull people off my map to go to his. |
| 04:41.19 | DTRemenak_lap | yup |
| 04:41.30 | spldart | what's the usual punishment for that crap |
| 04:41.50 | DTRemenak_lap | I warn them, then ban them if they don't knock it off] |
| 04:41.56 | spldart | k |
| 04:42.16 | spldart | he blazed before I could say anything... He took 2 players over with him :( |
| 04:42.39 | DTRemenak_lap | uncool |
| 04:42.48 | spldart | btw |
| 04:42.53 | spldart | what is ipinfo? |
| 04:43.03 | spldart | It just popped up while I was playing on my server |
| 04:43.09 | DTRemenak_lap | gives you players' ip addresses |
| 04:43.15 | spldart | like playerlist? |
| 04:43.22 | DTRemenak_lap | yeah, only automatically |
| 04:43.27 | spldart | OH? |
| 04:43.36 | spldart | server does that auto? for admins? |
| 04:43.43 | spldart | It's the first time I've seen it |
| 04:43.53 | DTRemenak_lap | yeah...so if you don't get /playerlist in time, you have something to ban |
| 04:44.12 | spldart | ic |
| 04:45.05 | spldart | I really need to do my switch to linux for bz sever |
| 04:45.26 | spldart | I would like to forget about all these unregistered butt munches ;) :p |
| 04:45.30 | DTRemenak_lap | hehe |
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| 04:47.58 | spldart | I wonder if the non-global gbbiya is somehow connected to biya on bzbb |
| 04:49.34 | orange | spldart: did he have jah anywhere in his name or email? |
| 04:49.47 | orange | and what server did he have them go to? |
| 04:50.19 | spldart | he said something about a sniper server he had |
| 04:50.25 | spldart | it was on the third page he said |
| 04:50.33 | spldart | I can show you my screenies of him talking |
| 04:50.54 | orange | used to be one of the jah's did that all the time |
| 04:50.58 | spldart | No screenie has his email |
| 04:52.23 | spldart | My server doesn't get alot of traffic cuz it's almost all novelty and little solid balanced combat. So I like to jump in and play on it when it get's busy once in a while. |
| 04:52.34 | spldart | But he starts stealing my fun :( |
| 04:53.27 | orange | about the best you can say is, it's your server, your rules. If you say no advertising other servers, then that's your policy. |
| 04:53.39 | orange | usually I don't complain if they mention something once |
| 04:54.00 | orange | beyond that it's just spamming... I dislike people repeating themselves anyway |
| 04:54.07 | orange | but... trolling around to everyone's servers is lame |
| 04:54.17 | spldart | He never said exactly the same thing |
| 04:54.28 | spldart | but I have 5 mentions of wanting to get people over there |
| 04:54.32 | orange | doesn't matter to me... you repeat the content, it's spam |
| 04:54.34 | spldart | I was about to say something |
| 04:54.37 | spldart | ic |
| 04:54.44 | spldart | grr |
| 04:54.45 | orange | but it's your server, your policy :-) |
| 04:54.48 | spldart | k |
| 04:55.08 | spldart | I was considering banning him for a bit... but dunnno |
| 04:55.15 | orange | he apparently did *not* spam hepcat |
| 04:55.20 | orange | knowing he'd be slammed there |
| 04:55.30 | orange | (just spoke to some admins that have been there awhile) |
| 04:55.40 | spldart | ic |
| 04:55.42 | orange | I've banned some jah's a few times for it |
| 04:55.57 | spldart | I'mma ban him for a day or two then. |
| 04:56.13 | spldart | can I do that from the console? |
| 04:56.18 | orange | bzadmin |
| 04:56.25 | spldart | yeah |
| 04:56.29 | spldart | bzadmin is running |
| 04:56.33 | spldart | although the server is empty |
| 04:56.45 | spldart | lemme read up on banning |
| 04:57.29 | shorty114 | hmm...would it be possible to get read-only access to the s.b.o's DB's? |
| 05:00.40 | spldart | grr... I can't /ban xxx.xxx.xx.xx |
| 05:00.45 | spldart | Wrong syntax? |
| 05:04.41 | spldart | never mind. zapped hime the old fashioned way. blocked his ip from my ip |
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| 05:42.11 | sgk284 | oh god the reload timer is something else... |
| 05:42.12 | sgk284 | :) |
| 05:42.19 | sgk284 | i like it though, just kind of distracting |
| 05:42.28 | sgk284 | maybe some alpha transparency would help |
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| 06:14.08 | sgk284 | is anyone else here coo coo for coco puffs? |
| 06:22.55 | JeffM2501 | pie |
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| 06:26.41 | DTRemenak_lap | have fun, SportChick :) |
| 06:26.43 | sgk284 | cya sporthchick |
| 06:26.52 | sgk284 | have fun and most importantly be safe ;) |
| 06:26.57 | sgk284 | oh and dont work too hard |
| 06:27.17 | ToughShooter | Later SportChick |
| 06:27.41 | SportChick | sgk284: that's the whole point! we work VERY hard. But ok to the rest |
| 06:27.56 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:28.16 | sgk284 | well i guess the more tired you are when you get back the easier it will be to shoot you ;) |
| 06:38.27 | orange | JeffM2501 is being irrational again |
| 06:38.40 | orange | talking about pi |
| 06:40.39 | orange | no, wait, I can explic it... it's 2:40am |
| 06:40.58 | DTRemenak_lap | haha |
| 06:48.45 | sgk284 | sqrt(2+sqrt(2+sqrt(2+sqrt(2+......)))) == 2 |
| 06:48.48 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 06:52.36 | ToughShooter | Aww, math... |
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| 06:57.02 | sgk284 | math is fun at all hours of the night |
| 06:57.06 | sgk284 | even at 3:00 am |
| 06:57.11 | sgk284 | :) |
| 07:02.18 | wegstar | night all |
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| 08:28.34 | DTRemenak_lap | some of it is |
| 08:28.41 | brlcad | lookie there |
| 08:28.46 | brlcad | sure is |
| 08:29.04 | brlcad | somehow you were my first guess |
| 08:29.12 | DTRemenak_lap | gee, how's that? |
| 08:29.27 | brlcad | i know.. so unbecoming of you |
| 08:29.35 | brlcad | what would ever make me think that |
| 08:29.41 | sgk284 | brlcad, me too :) |
| 08:30.01 | brlcad | ahh, and two if by sea |
| 08:30.05 | sgk284 | lol |
| 08:30.18 | sgk284 | it being 4:30 am and all i probably should be gettign to sleep... |
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| 08:30.39 | sgk284 | wanna finish up making bzadmin handle MsgAdminInfo first though |
| 08:30.44 | sgk284 | brlcad, how was the party? |
| 08:30.46 | sgk284 | wild and crazy? |
| 08:30.51 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 08:31.00 | brlcad | pretty fun :) |
| 08:31.13 | brlcad | brats and burgers on the bbq with friends |
| 08:31.22 | brlcad | usual banter |
| 08:31.44 | brlcad | and then my friend and I retreated into the basement to play diablo 2 |
| 08:31.58 | brlcad | where we stayed for the past 6 hours or so |
| 08:32.07 | Mr_Molez | antisocial |
| 08:32.08 | sgk284 | haha |
| 08:32.09 | sgk284 | nice |
| 08:32.25 | brlcad | nah, the rest left |
| 08:32.34 | brlcad | the wife went to bed |
| 08:32.36 | sgk284 | i dunno its it my vim or what but bzadmin code has the wierdest and worst formatting... its worth committing just the format changes |
| 08:32.37 | brlcad | we just played |
| 08:32.50 | sgk284 | :) |
| 08:32.52 | DTRemenak_lap | Mr_Molez: hardly antisocial. you saw a couple lines above, it said he had...friends. plural even. |
| 08:32.58 | brlcad | our 1 hour game just couldn't end that easily, we were on a roll |
| 08:33.26 | sgk284 | DTRemenak_lap, hahaha |
| 08:33.35 | sgk284 | ~DTRemenak_lap++ |
| 08:33.55 | Mr_Molez | darn those plurals |
| 08:34.04 | brlcad | yep, the shindig included about as many bodies as I have fingers to count with |
| 08:34.11 | DTRemenak_lap | 12? |
| 08:35.04 | jpa- | namm.. noodles, chili and chicken :) |
| 08:35.14 | brlcad | there were four of us playing diablo at first, but two wimped out |
| 08:35.23 | brlcad | something about sleeping at 11 or something |
| 08:35.42 | jpa- | Mr_Molez: i ate them already :) |
| 08:35.46 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 08:35.58 | jpa- | and now something is burning in my mouth |
| 08:36.02 | Mr_Molez | ouch |
| 08:36.13 | brlcad | that was actually pretty addictively fun.. we finished stage 1 of 4 when we called it a night |
| 08:36.26 | Mr_Molez | does mayonnaise stain ? |
| 08:36.43 | brlcad | got my sword wielding warrior up to level 15 with some crazy nice weaponry |
| 08:36.47 | jpa- | test it :) |
| 08:36.52 | DTRemenak_lap | Mr_Molez: ask google :) |
| 08:36.55 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 08:37.05 | Mr_Molez | guess ill find out when i was my shirt |
| 08:37.11 | Mr_Molez | *wash |
| 08:37.30 | sgk284 | ~google does mayonnaise stain? |
| 08:37.37 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 08:37.50 | DTRemenak_lap | that would be a...yes |
| 08:37.54 | sgk284 | lol yep |
| 08:38.03 | sgk284 | but there is directions to help :) |
| 08:39.06 | jpa- | "how to stain with mayonnaise:" :) |
| 08:39.53 | jpa- | aargh.. the fire is spreading |
| 08:40.00 | jpa- | now something is burning in my nose too |
| 08:40.22 | Mr_Molez | snort some water ;) |
| 08:40.27 | jpa- | nah :) |
| 08:40.36 | jpa- | water won't help with chili |
| 08:40.47 | jpa- | and no, i do not want to put milk in my nose :) |
| 08:40.56 | Mr_Molez | anyone ever tried eating a bombay badboy potnoodle ? |
| 08:41.05 | sgk284 | anyone know why show MsgAdminInfo isn't set to true by default in bzadmin? |
| 08:41.12 | sgk284 | i think it should be |
| 08:41.34 | DTRemenak_lap | sgk284: oversight? :) |
| 08:41.40 | sgk284 | okay |
| 08:42.01 | sgk284 | well its 4:30 am so i didnt want to make some kind of crazy harsh change that i would regret tomorrow mornign :) |
| 08:42.18 | DTRemenak_lap | if you regret it, you can revert it! :) |
| 08:42.24 | sgk284 | hehe gotta love cvs |
| 08:42.31 | DTRemenak_lap | the wonder of version control |
| 08:42.31 | jpa- | if you regret it, you can blame DTRemenak! |
| 08:42.42 | DTRemenak_lap | jpa-: don't give him any ideas! |
| 08:42.43 | sgk284 | morning jpa- <3 |
| 08:42.51 | jpa- | hi sgk284 <3 |
| 08:42.52 | Mr_Molez | what is gona happen if the new EU law on opensource code comes out ? |
| 08:42.53 | sgk284 | jpa, isnt that what i already do ;) |
| 08:43.07 | jpa- | yes, but not enough |
| 08:43.16 | jpa- | Mr_Molez: what law? |
| 08:43.22 | sgk284 | Mr_Molez, eh not too much, at least not in bzflag :) |
| 08:43.45 | sgk284 | maybe a few things, but we'll survive, i hope |
| 08:43.47 | Mr_Molez | amsn website says they may have to stop development |
| 08:43.55 | sgk284 | or ignore the law, nothing quite like a civil protest |
| 08:44.00 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 08:44.17 | Mr_Molez | i dont see how a european law should affect the rest of the world |
| 08:44.29 | sgk284 | Mr_Molez, i assure you that MS infringes on more patents then all open source products put together, MS just hsa lots of money |
| 08:44.32 | jpa- | because we own the world! |
| 08:44.46 | sgk284 | lol well it wouldnt be bad if the US didnt already have similar laws |
| 08:45.02 | sgk284 | the US + EU == World .... obviously ;) |
| 08:45.11 | sgk284 | now thw whole world will have software patents |
| 08:45.12 | Mr_Molez | yay EU |
| 08:45.58 | jpa- | i'll go for russia :) |
| 08:46.00 | sgk284 | most software development is done in these two places, but i dotn see too much changing, most patents are baseless and would enver hold up in court |
| 08:46.03 | sgk284 | never* |
| 08:46.09 | sgk284 | at least thats my oppinion |
| 08:46.16 | sgk284 | and observation |
| 08:46.36 | sgk284 | but IANAL |
| 08:46.58 | sgk284 | and i no nothing about the EU law system |
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| 08:47.24 | sgk284 | i assume its not too different considering US companies sue there all the time and vice versa (more so the former then the latter) |
| 08:47.48 | Mr_Molez | from what i have heared the new law will make software being open source illegal |
| 08:47.52 | Mr_Molez | maybe i will have to do more reading |
| 08:48.13 | jpa_ | beware! many jpa's! |
| 08:48.45 | sgk284 | Mr_Molez, no no no open source wont be illegal |
| 08:49.06 | Mr_Molez | :) |
| 08:49.12 | sgk284 | its just some european open source software uses codecs and algorithms that are patented such as mp3 palying and dvd playing |
| 08:49.21 | sgk284 | technically that software would be illegal |
| 08:49.29 | sgk284 | because it would violate patents |
| 08:49.37 | sgk284 | but not all open source |
| 08:49.44 | sgk284 | still... its quite bad |
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| 08:49.52 | jpa- | but, on the other hand, many stuff is illegal but still exists |
| 08:50.16 | sgk284 | jpa-, but now even the linux distros that do include those utitlities wont be able to anymore |
| 08:50.31 | Mr_Molez | there are alot of opensource software that has/had warning on their site about the law.. such as amsn.. i cant think of anything that would go against any patent in the code |
| 08:50.35 | jpa- | and i don't think it changes the public opinion anyway... people won't give you dirty looks if you say "i'm a open source developer" :) |
| 08:50.44 | sgk284 | fedora doesnt play mp3's because everything in it is 100% patent free and open source, now every distro will ahve to follow that path |
| 08:51.03 | sgk284 | have* |
| 08:51.10 | sgk284 | Mr_Molez, its a very serious issue |
| 08:51.18 | jpa- | yes, in official distributions |
| 08:51.22 | sgk284 | being able to be locked up simply because you wrote some code? |
| 08:51.34 | jpa- | there are special sources lists for debian, for example |
| 08:51.45 | sgk284 | code that you may have engineered yourself or reverse engineerd it from some other source |
| 08:52.04 | Mr_Molez | microsoft still gets away with using mp3 :( |
| 08:52.06 | Mr_Molez | darn them |
| 08:52.19 | sgk284 | microsoft pays 7 digits to play mp3s |
| 08:52.25 | Mr_Molez | wow |
| 08:52.36 | Mr_Molez | mp3 is owned by some german firm aint it |
| 08:52.42 | sgk284 | i think the beginning rate is somethign like $50,000 |
| 08:52.48 | Mr_Molez | :o |
| 08:53.08 | sgk284 | so more or less and mp3 playing software is supposed to at least pay that much iirc... only if it can encode and decode |
| 08:53.19 | sgk284 | there are all kind of wierd restrictions and exceptions |
| 08:53.26 | Mr_Molez | ogg is better anyway :p |
| 08:53.37 | jpa- | what about free closed source mp3 for windows? |
| 08:53.44 | sgk284 | ogg really is superior from both a user experience and techincal stand point |
| 08:53.47 | sgk284 | uses newer algorithms |
| 08:54.10 | sgk284 | jpa-, they may be breakign the law, or using window's media palyer libraries which is fine cause MS already paid |
| 08:54.39 | Mr_Molez | assuming every 1 has a bought copy of windows :p |
| 08:54.51 | jpa- | so linux people could use microsoft libraries? :) |
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| 08:55.00 | sgk284 | at first i really disliked fedora for not playing mp3s and so i installed xmms-mp3 with yum, but now all my music is in ogg and i ahve no need for mp3:) |
| 08:55.12 | sgk284 | jpa-, lol nope |
| 08:55.25 | jpa- | why not? :) |
| 08:55.47 | sgk284 | well i guess if you paid for windows then you could... |
| 08:55.53 | sgk284 | but you couldnt distribute the libs |
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| 08:56.09 | sgk284 | i really should get to bed |
| 08:56.11 | sgk284 | g' night |
| 08:56.18 | jpa- | gnight my love |
| 08:56.18 | Mr_Molez | night sgk :) |
| 08:56.27 | sgk284 | go out and fight against the EU patents, not much i can do from here in the states |
| 08:56.34 | sgk284 | jpa-... you crazy finn |
| 08:56.36 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 08:56.38 | sgk284 | <3 |
| 08:56.42 | jpa- | <3 |
| 08:57.29 | jpa- | ewww that was the aol sgk284 :S |
| 08:58.20 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 08:58.26 | jpa- | ha :) |
| 08:58.29 | Mr_Molez | aol is quite good in the uk |
| 08:58.35 | Mr_Molez | the software sucks obviously |
| 08:58.44 | jpa- | but sgk is not in the uk |
| 08:58.49 | Mr_Molez | true :p |
| 08:59.27 | Mr_Molez | "Welcome to AOHELL" |
| 09:00.15 | jpa- | hmm.. should i start backuping my stuff |
| 09:00.52 | DTRemenak_lap | recent backups are always good to have |
| 09:01.00 | jpa- | yup.. |
| 09:02.29 | jpa- | now all to decide is whether to burn them onto a CD rw and have few of them for some protection against accidental deletion, or to just buy one 50 spindle per year and burn them on a regular CD-r weekly |
| 09:03.26 | jpa- | how durable are cd-rw? |
| 09:03.46 | DTRemenak_lap | they're just as durable as -r up to 1000 writes or some such |
| 09:03.55 | jpa- | ok |
| 09:08.23 | Mr_Molez | no fun killing newbs |
| 09:09.32 | Mr_Molez | do the developers play bzflag ne more ? |
| 09:10.30 | DTRemenak_lap | some of us do |
| 09:10.42 | DTRemenak_lap | sometimes |
| 09:10.47 | Mr_Molez | oh :) |
| 09:13.15 | jpa- | they usually don't |
| 09:13.35 | jpa- | when they know how the game works, they suck at playing |
| 09:13.42 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 09:13.48 | DTRemenak_lap | true dat |
| 09:14.18 | Mr_Molez | any date set for voice support ? |
| 09:14.32 | jpa- | they can't just shoot, they think "if i press my button it will go to line 636 in sendMsgKill() and will upack data to send to the server and ... |
| 09:14.42 | DTRemenak_lap | When It's Done (tm) |
| 09:14.47 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 09:14.58 | ToughShooter | hehe |
| 09:15.00 | DTRemenak_lap | (patches welcome) |
| 09:15.34 | Mr_Molez | is there not working support in the cvs already ? |
| 09:15.37 | ToughShooter | Where's the source code of brains? |
| 09:15.50 | DTRemenak_lap | dna |
| 09:16.01 | DTRemenak_lap | Mr_Molez: nope |
| 09:16.12 | ToughShooter | Aww, that's no language I know |
| 09:16.28 | DTRemenak_lap | ToughShooter: not conciously, but you know it :) |
| 09:17.20 | DTRemenak_lap | .BAS!?! |
| 09:17.27 | DTRemenak_lap | ~lart jpa |
| 09:17.31 | jpa- | eww he's coded in basic :E |
| 09:17.41 | ToughShooter | jpa-: I don't recompile my source :-p |
| 09:18.10 | jpa- | ToughShooter: of course not, qbasic does not have to be compiled |
| 09:18.22 | jpa- | you can run it from the qbasic.exe directly |
| 09:18.32 | ToughShooter | I'm not written in qbasic |
| 09:18.47 | jpa- | ToughShooter: i've seen your source, you are :) |
| 09:19.11 | DTRemenak_lap | jpa-: and that would make you written in what, obfuscated perl? |
| 09:19.47 | jpa- | python, of course :) |
| 09:20.08 | DTRemenak_lap | no, you're much to difficult to understand to be written in python |
| 09:20.10 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Can you host a map for me? I can't afford to host it by myself and my own connection has only 128kbs upstream. |
| 09:20.19 | jpa- | i'm written in bad python |
| 09:20.36 | jpa- | ToughShooter: do you know how to use linux shell? |
| 09:20.52 | jpa- | ToughShooter: and be able to set the bzfs up without me assisting? |
| 09:21.00 | ToughShooter | jpa-: I've got a project at sourceforge... |
| 09:21.06 | jpa- | ok.. |
| 09:21.18 | jpa- | i can provide a shell account on my server |
| 09:21.21 | ToughShooter | jpa-: I think I can handle it, just don't know about the logs |
| 09:21.22 | jpa- | 512K upstream |
| 09:21.53 | ToughShooter | That means how many players could be hosted with 10 shots? |
| 09:22.00 | jpa- | on the other hand, i've been thinking of setting up a server with some map rotation |
| 09:22.07 | DTRemenak_lap | ~512/40 |
| 09:22.08 | ibot | 12.8 |
| 09:22.18 | jpa- | about.. hmm.. 8 without bad lag |
| 09:22.43 | ToughShooter | The map is as big as Spiralzone :-/ |
| 09:22.52 | jpa- | :/ |
| 09:23.00 | jpa- | then i could take it to the rotation.. |
| 09:23.06 | jpa- | behind a 100M connection |
| 09:23.54 | ToughShooter | What rotation interval? |
| 09:24.06 | jpa- | i've not decided yet |
| 09:24.12 | jpa- | probably 3 or 6 hours |
| 09:24.43 | jpa- | i thought about setting up some system to track amount of users per map.. make popular maps appear more often than not-popular :) |
| 09:24.54 | ToughShooter | Lemme think about it... |
| 09:24.54 | DTRemenak_lap | :) |
| 09:25.53 | jpa- | i would probably put all my maps in the rotation.. admining more than one server is too much |
| 09:26.39 | Mr_Molez | ive had that |
| 09:26.50 | jpa- | hm |
| 09:27.04 | Mr_Molez | a few times actually |
| 09:27.18 | jpa- | i could toggle the port.. i have two different ones |
| 09:27.32 | ToughShooter | ...but this was at very early stages of development I've read |
| 09:27.38 | Mr_Molez | nah |
| 09:27.41 | Mr_Molez | it stil happens |
| 09:27.48 | ToughShooter | :o |
| 09:27.49 | Mr_Molez | i have had it a few times in 2.0 |
| 09:28.01 | jpa- | maybe so that new server goes up at the another port, and old one shuts down when everyone has left |
| 09:28.46 | Mr_Molez | somat to do with me rejoining to quickly.. every 1 else gets a nice new map im still using the old 1.. and i see them driving through walls hehe |
| 09:29.22 | ToughShooter | Looks like caching problems |
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| 11:00.18 | jpa_ | 2 x 3,4 GHz Intel Xeon EM64T |
| 11:00.18 | jpa_ | 2 GB ECC DDR2 RAM |
| 11:00.18 | jpa_ | 2 x 36.4 GB 15 krpm SCSI |
| 11:00.18 | jpa_ | 2 x 1 GB/s Ethernet |
| 11:00.25 | jpa_ | do you think that is enough for bzfs? |
| 11:01.19 | BearPerson | depends on the map and number of players ;-) |
| 11:01.49 | jpa_ | bzflag has a maximum of 255 :/ |
| 11:03.40 | Mr_Molez | nah i dont think its good enough :| |
| 11:03.49 | Mr_Molez | gona run slow as hell |
| 11:04.12 | jpa_ | :/ |
| 11:04.25 | Mr_Molez | y 2 network cards ? |
| 11:04.42 | jpa_ | one goes for intranet |
| 11:04.48 | Mr_Molez | k :p |
| 11:04.51 | jpa_ | to fileserver and stuff |
| 11:04.54 | BearPerson | good security :) |
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| 11:15.56 | Birdie | DTRemenak ping |
| 11:16.38 | jpa_ | birdie :) |
| 11:16.55 | Birdie | heya jpa_ |
| 11:17.36 | jpa_ | :) |
| 11:18.04 | jpa_ | have you found your feminine side already? |
| 11:18.30 | Birdie | i dont have that;) |
| 11:18.56 | Birdie | you? |
| 11:19.15 | jpa_ | nah |
| 11:19.23 | jpa_ | it is small and hiding somewhere |
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| 13:02.53 | ToughShooter | commits: bzflag/people/jpa-: brain.py - make jpa obey all my commans |
| 13:04.18 | jpa_ | Exception : Commans is not a valid keyword |
| 13:04.45 | ToughShooter | commits: bzflag/people/jpa-: brain.py - make jpa obey all my commands |
| 13:04.50 | ToughShooter | :-p |
| 13:05.24 | jpa_ | File has been modified. Reload or discard changes? |
| 13:05.27 | jpa_ | discard |
| 13:06.59 | ToughShooter | Meanie |
| 13:08.16 | jpa_ | yes |
| 13:09.20 | ToughShooter | jpa_: BTW: I am written in haskell, not qbasic |
| 13:10.35 | jpa_ | i have seen your soucce |
| 13:10.39 | jpa_ | it is qbasic |
| 13:11.31 | ToughShooter | nope |
| 13:36.43 | Mr_Molez | blah |
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| 13:58.45 | jpa_ | hm |
| 14:00.22 | jpa_ | jpa's law about ice cream: tastiness of ice cream is reversible proportional to the amount that is left |
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| 15:18.09 | spldart | Morning |
| 15:19.08 | jpa_ | spldart :) |
| 15:19.30 | jpa_ | sgk284 is not here.. i need someone else to hug.. |
| 15:21.23 | spldart | lol |
| 15:21.52 | spldart | R U cyber hugging fellow bz'rs? |
| 15:22.00 | jpa_ | yes |
| 15:22.39 | spldart | Is something wrong or is this a normal jpa_ attribute? |
| 15:22.49 | spldart | hehe get it? _attribute |
| 15:24.20 | jpa_ | you ask if something is wrong?!? |
| 15:24.29 | jpa_ | sgk284 is not here! that is terribly wrgon! |
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| 15:29.54 | spldart | LOL |
| 15:29.55 | spldart | sorry |
| 15:30.06 | spldart | If DTR is listening: |
| 15:30.44 | spldart | Since I zapped gbbiya... My map has been busier.... But it could just be that's its this busy on saturdays :dunno: |
| 15:31.28 | spldart | So where is sgk284 jpa_? |
| 15:31.33 | BearPerson | ~d |
| 15:31.34 | jpa_ | i do not know |
| 15:31.36 | spldart | Real world suck him out? |
| 15:31.51 | jpa_ | spldart: it is busier because my servers are down :P |
| 15:32.05 | spldart | :( |
| 15:32.14 | spldart | which ones are yours? |
| 15:32.43 | jpa_ | those that are down |
| 15:32.59 | jpa_ | oh, i mean river and sniper |
| 15:33.11 | jpa_ | those with [100M , Finalnd] |
| 15:33.11 | spldart | ~query jpa_'s down server's ;) |
| 15:33.15 | spldart | OH |
| 15:33.16 | spldart | ok |
| 15:33.44 | spldart | Well. The people over in mind right now aren't very good. But the one's last night were good |
| 15:35.06 | spldart | Why are your servers down? |
| 15:35.24 | jpa_ | because the computer is being upgraded |
| 15:35.33 | spldart | Ah |
| 15:35.41 | spldart | Welll that's always good. |
| 15:36.04 | jpa_ | yes |
| 15:36.06 | spldart | I'm considering trying to get a linux machine running real quick this weekend sometime and seeing if I can get the guys here to help me set it up. |
| 15:36.11 | spldart | I don't know linux very well yet |
| 15:36.16 | jpa_ | old one was too slow for bzfs .) |
| 15:36.22 | spldart | How can that be? |
| 15:36.33 | jpa_ | it was only pentium 4 2.8GHz |
| 15:36.50 | jpa_ | need to get double xeon 3.4ghz 64bit |
| 15:36.51 | spldart | You could run 1 hundred bzfs's on that |
| 15:37.20 | jpa_ | notice the smiley :P |
| 15:37.28 | spldart | I'm running dual liquid cooled barton's on my main rig |
| 15:37.31 | jpa_ | it is also a 400user shell server :) |
| 15:37.41 | spldart | That's a big machine |
| 15:37.45 | spldart | I see where your going |
| 15:37.58 | spldart | So... You got lots of bandwidth to host with |
| 15:38.17 | jpa_ | yes |
| 15:38.33 | jpa_ | and evil admins that (fortunately) do not know where they bandwidth goes |
| 15:38.53 | spldart | but my bzfs runs on a underclocked amd k6 2 500 with some other apps on my itty bitty server |
| 15:39.01 | spldart | LOL at evil admins with evil laugh |
| 15:39.54 | spldart | Are those network administrators with laser beams on their forheads? /austin powers movie |
| 15:44.35 | spldart | Wow... First time I've left bzflag alone long enough to get this high /uptime |
| 15:44.49 | spldart | 7 days 15 hours 24 minutes |
| 15:45.03 | spldart | On an old Hot Shuttle mobo running win 98 |
| 15:45.30 | spldart | In fact. I have some changes that are still to apply at my next restart |
| 15:49.02 | spldart | I gotta go shopping for a new headlight for my motorcycle. BBL |
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| 16:03.46 | SportChick | bye all |
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| 16:49.03 | uso | is the ~d the ducati server? what does the "(G)" mean behind the player name? |
| 16:49.21 | uso | ~d |
| 16:49.26 | BearPerson | green team I think |
| 16:49.40 | uso | to easy :)) |
| 16:49.53 | uso | yes, i was green ;) |
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| 16:50.44 | uso | damned hard this ducati |
| 16:51.49 | uso | is this a random map? too many people seem to know where to set ricochet shots ... |
| 16:54.24 | jpa_ | it is easy to learn |
| 16:56.15 | uso | seems not to be soo easy ;) |
| 16:56.42 | Chestal | ducati uses random maps, yes |
| 16:57.01 | uso | i got some points while it was 1vs1, but than came the better guys |
| 16:57.12 | uso | ... like Chestal ;) |
| 16:57.25 | uso | is it your server Chestal? |
| 16:57.29 | Chestal | uso: yep |
| 16:57.57 | uso | i like 3 shots, but 2 shots is hard |
| 16:58.09 | Chestal | there are a lot of peopel who are specialized to the ducati playing style |
| 16:58.16 | Chestal | if you are not, it's extremely hard to beat them |
| 16:58.36 | uso | i've just seen it |
| 17:00.18 | Chestal | the majority of people which play with more shots and especially with jumping never learned how to dodge shots |
| 17:01.43 | Pimpi | and how to place shots properly |
| 17:01.45 | shorty114 | hehe |
| 17:01.55 | Pimpi | they stray mostly |
| 17:03.10 | uso | biggest problem i had was firing too early |
| 17:03.20 | Chestal | from too great a distance? |
| 17:03.27 | uso | and not to see the possibility of ricochet shots |
| 17:03.35 | uso | yes, from to far |
| 17:03.55 | Chestal | the small 1vs1 map is good to train rico, it's really nasty there |
| 17:03.58 | shorty114 | lead the target if they're moving |
| 17:04.26 | Chestal | on a normal map you are safe from ricos in most positions, not so on the small map |
| 17:04.33 | uso | you too often evade my shots and shot me |
| 17:06.03 | Chestal | once you spoiled your shots your opponent is in charge |
| 17:06.25 | Chestal | some players use single shots then so they never lose their advantage. All you can do is to ty and get a rico shot then |
| 17:06.47 | Chestal | or fake attack turns can work sometimes |
| 17:09.01 | uso | something completely different ... is there any way to prevent a tank from automatically grabbing flags? |
| 17:09.24 | Chestal | yes, grab the useless flag :-) |
| 17:09.39 | uso | :) |
| 17:10.00 | Chestal | apart from that, no. |
| 17:11.11 | Chestal | Pimpi: 1vs1 bz server is down? |
| 17:13.21 | uso | so i'm forced to run for flags on a server with flags to avoid accidentally grabbing a bad flag :( |
| 17:14.18 | Chestal | well, on most servers with superflags, people try to grab a flag as fast as possible anyway |
| 17:15.20 | uso | i know, but i hate this running for flags |
| 17:15.43 | uso | you also may say i'm too lazy for that ;) |
| 17:16.04 | jpa_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 17:16.08 | jpa_ | i hate inside points :( |
| 17:21.57 | uso | Pimpi: viper with 3 shots would not be a bad idea ;-) |
| 17:22.20 | uso | to train people :) |
| 17:25.28 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 17:25.47 | BearPerson | Flag Idea: Identify-Friend-Foe - Masquerade for the radar |
| 17:25.59 | BearPerson | might become a pretty powerful flag though |
| 17:28.13 | uso | eeek, no, never do this |
| 17:28.27 | uso | stealth is already annoying enough ;) |
| 17:29.03 | jpa_ | that would be evil :) |
| 17:29.52 | BearPerson | evil, yes. Cool. too. (IMO)... logical consequence of the other three existing |
| 17:31.08 | Birdie | chestal: dunno if you saw it allraedy but 1v1server is up again |
| 17:32.05 | |zongo| | i restarted it |
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| 17:33.14 | Chestal | |zongo|: ah, thanks |
| 17:33.25 | |zongo| | np Chestal |
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| 17:38.30 | shorty114 | hi _Manu_ |
| 17:38.37 | _Manu_ | shorty114, hi! |
| 17:39.48 | BearPerson | Hmm. http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/FlagList says you're supposed to use a teal BG color... yet there seems to be no teal at all on the page... |
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| 17:55.09 | Pimpi | uso: i tried to convince ppl of 3 shot for viper long time ago, but nobody seemed to like it :( |
| 17:55.28 | Chestal | how many shots is it now? |
| 17:55.36 | Pimpi | actually i think 4 shot would be idal |
| 17:55.36 | uso | i know, ppl don't like changes |
| 17:55.40 | Pimpi | it's 5 |
| 17:55.42 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, 5 k |
| 17:55.50 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 17:55.51 | Pimpi | see |
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| 17:56.19 | _Manu_ | well really you only need 1 :) but most of ppl likes many shots |
| 17:56.26 | Pimpi | 3 is not much on a server with -j |
| 17:56.42 | jpa_ | for river server, people were fine about 10shot -> 5shot change |
| 17:57.11 | Pimpi | i never understood why skilled players like 10 shot servers |
| 17:57.23 | _Manu_ | skilled players like 10 shots? mmm |
| 17:57.24 | Pimpi | i understand for newbies |
| 17:57.28 | jpa_ | they give challenge |
| 17:57.44 | Pimpi | _Manu_: there are a lot of them on sp |
| 17:57.47 | jpa_ | it is easier to get hit on a 10 shot server |
| 17:58.03 | bryjen | they are where all the targets hang out |
| 17:58.18 | _Manu_ | you never can dodge a 10 shots stream. heh |
| 17:58.30 | bryjen | s/targets/newbies/ |
| 17:59.25 | _Manu_ | i usually only shoot 1 or two.. except for laggy players.. :( |
| 17:59.50 | Pimpi | wow, 1vs1 is quite active again |
| 18:00.14 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, quite active? ;-p only can play 2 players.. heh |
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| 18:00.25 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, kidding :) |
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| 18:08.30 | CBG | Hi Jeff! :D |
| 18:08.50 | jpa_ | Hi Jeff! :D |
| 18:09.12 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 18:09.36 | JeffM2501 | sup? |
| 18:09.42 | jpa_ | very sup |
| 18:10.29 | CBG | jpa_: You just violated section 37b, page 67, paragraph 5, line 2, word 6 of the international copyright act. |
| 18:10.29 | ToughShooter | seems like jpa_ transformed into a little copycat...something must have been wrong with my change in brain.py |
| 18:10.34 | shorty114 | bungie's site is horrible >.< |
| 18:10.52 | jpa_ | CBG: don't care :) |
| 18:10.59 | jpa_ | ToughShooter: brain? what? |
| 18:11.13 | CBG | jpa_: Good. Then you'll be happy to open the door to my thugs. ;) |
| 18:11.29 | jpa_ | you thugs are most welcome |
| 18:11.33 | jpa_ | atleast if they are furry |
| 18:11.50 | ToughShooter | jpa_: Don't you remember? ;-) I changed you to obey all my commands |
| 18:11.54 | CBG | Well, they do have rottweilers. |
| 18:12.04 | jpa_ | ToughShooter: what are you talking about? |
| 18:12.10 | jpa_ | ToughShooter: there is no brains! |
| 18:12.24 | CBG | There ARE no brains!... |
| 18:12.32 | CBG | Plural = ARE not is. |
| 18:12.41 | prop | isn't brain already plural? |
| 18:12.48 | CBG | no. |
| 18:12.54 | CBG | you can have a brain. |
| 18:13.06 | CBG | but jpa_ clearly said BrainS = Plural = Are. |
| 18:13.17 | shorty114 | i am sooo using lynx next time i go onto bungie.net |
| 18:13.21 | jpa_ | i don't care |
| 18:13.21 | ToughShooter | jpa_: Don't you remember when we kidded today? |
| 18:13.24 | jpa_ | i go for tea |
| 18:14.06 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, I'd like to see you make a better site :) |
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| 18:15.38 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: well, i'd lose the flash nav that just sticks there... |
| 18:15.45 | shorty114 | it doesn't even look good >.< |
| 18:15.52 | JeffM2501 | works fine in firefox |
| 18:16.03 | shorty114 | on your good computer |
| 18:16.13 | JeffM2501 | they are a modern game company |
| 18:16.17 | JeffM2501 | they target modern computers |
| 18:16.24 | shorty114 | you have a point there :) |
| 18:16.30 | ToughShooter | Even my scroll bar thumb reacts laggy on that site |
| 18:16.33 | JeffM2501 | computers that can't view the page, probably arn't going to be playing there games :) |
| 18:16.52 | JeffM2501 | and all I have is a 3k |
| 18:16.57 | shorty114 | 3k? |
| 18:17.01 | JeffM2501 | 3000+ |
| 18:17.11 | JeffM2501 | no where near the fast computers of today |
| 18:17.14 | ToughShooter | What's about the name change of BzEdit? |
| 18:17.22 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 18:17.24 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: well, i'm on a P2 :) |
| 18:17.26 | JeffM2501 | name change |
| 18:17.38 | ToughShooter | "bzfed" |
| 18:17.46 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, come to the 21st centry, or stop doing things that are beyond you. |
| 18:17.52 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, that's a nother project |
| 18:18.00 | JeffM2501 | somone fixed the soruces |
| 18:18.03 | JeffM2501 | and updated it and stuff |
| 18:18.07 | JeffM2501 | and renamed it |
| 18:18.25 | ToughShooter | Tryed to have a look at it but gdk don't want to compile :-/ |
| 18:18.28 | JeffM2501 | I asked them if they wanted to get that code put back intot he mainline |
| 18:18.33 | JeffM2501 | they said yeah, but never heard more |
| 18:19.37 | ToughShooter | Hmm, folder date says 15. march 2005, not so long ago |
| 18:21.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah it was recent |
| 18:21.59 | JeffM2501 | hopefully he'll talk to tim and ether make some patches or get commit access and just start doing his stuff right in the CVS |
| 18:23.04 | bzflagwiz | When I run a public server and connect to it via external address from same pc as bzfs is on, I get kicked for no UDP. But if I connect to localhost, all is good... |
| 18:23.29 | bzflagwiz | Perhaps my linksys broadband router is the problem? |
| 18:24.20 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Thanks for clarifying. |
| 18:25.28 | ToughShooter | Can we do /mute #slotnr. yet? |
| 18:27.00 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, not yet.. :( but i'll add it |
| 18:27.34 | ToughShooter | That would be cool... |
| 18:27.43 | _Manu_ | yes.. i forgot it :/ |
| 18:28.08 | _Manu_ | i'll add the feature to /mute /unmute |
| 18:28.13 | bzflagwiz | It would also be helpful if /mute had at least a short memory that would carry across a restart. But that's probably not as easy to implement... |
| 18:29.15 | _Manu_ | yes.. it's easy |
| 18:29.20 | ToughShooter | I think there is already some similar code used for this...(ban) |
| 18:29.23 | _Manu_ | but you also can add a group for muted players ;) |
| 18:29.40 | ToughShooter | and /mutelist would be nice ;-) |
| 18:30.07 | bzflagwiz | but if there is a group for muted players, can't they just remove themselves from it on bzbb? |
| 18:30.20 | ToughShooter | They would not |
| 18:30.38 | _Manu_ | mute is using call signs.. |
| 18:31.07 | ToughShooter | The problem with it is that then setgroup would be required to mute a player, so it could be used another way that is wanted |
| 18:31.08 | _Manu_ | really now.. the player must be connected.. |
| 18:31.52 | jpa_ | with a lot of sugar |
| 18:31.53 | jpa_ | and honey |
| 18:31.54 | _Manu_ | you can remove TALK to non registered players.. |
| 18:32.13 | ToughShooter | It should use IP-addresses rather than callsigns |
| 18:32.16 | bzflagwiz | True, but I don't think Nidhoggr is ready to go that far |
| 18:32.29 | _Manu_ | ah.. heh |
| 18:32.41 | ToughShooter | bzflagwiz: Will we remove PollSet from verified? |
| 18:32.59 | _Manu_ | actually the server remember the rejoiners.. also this could be added for muted players |
| 18:33.20 | _Manu_ | for a prefixed time |
| 18:33.26 | bzflagwiz | ToughShooter - not sure - I think it would be a good idea though... |
| 18:33.44 | bzflagwiz | kids fighting - gotta run... |
| 18:33.56 | _Manu_ | in viper pollset is disabled |
| 18:34.00 | ToughShooter | bzflagwiz: yes and add it to ops would be sane, IMHO... |
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| 18:35.31 | jpa_ | braaaaaddddd |
| 18:35.34 | jpa_ | <3<3 |
| 18:35.38 | ToughShooter | Is there a way to steal a permission from a group via a negative list? I looked at Pimpi's patch but that wouldn't do the job for default groups if I understood it right. |
| 18:35.46 | brad2901 | hi jpa) |
| 18:35.52 | _Manu_ | brad2901, hi |
| 18:36.05 | brad2901 | hi manu |
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| 18:40.07 | ToughShooter | Mmmmm..peach |
| 18:42.30 | jpa_ | would you like some? |
| 18:42.38 | jpa_ | i can send it in mail |
| 18:42.51 | ToughShooter | No, I can afford that by myself |
| 18:43.29 | ToughShooter | Thanks for the offer, though |
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| 18:51.32 | jpa_ | hi wegstar |
| 18:51.57 | wegstar_away | hi jpa_ :) |
| 18:52.17 | ToughShooter | ~x de en weg |
| 18:52.48 | ToughShooter | ibot, you're lying. It's way |
| 18:53.07 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: so, now you have teeth marks in your finger? |
| 18:53.14 | JeffM2501 | none |
| 18:53.25 | JeffM2501 | my cubicle is the keeping place of toys |
| 18:53.30 | JeffM2501 | so I had distractions |
| 18:58.56 | jpa_ | tell me, how do i nicely get middle point of an face? |
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| 18:59.16 | RPG_ | hi |
| 18:59.20 | jpa_ | is it just the average x and average y of face vertices? |
| 18:59.35 | jpa_ | bah |
| 18:59.50 | jpa_ | i do not even know what is a middle point :D |
| 19:00.00 | RPG_ | hey, how do you make textures repeat themselves on a meshbox insteaad of having them stretched? |
| 19:00.17 | jpa_ | RPG_: texsize -8 etc. |
| 19:00.29 | RPG_ | what unit is -8? |
| 19:00.33 | RPG_ | inches, pixles... |
| 19:00.38 | jpa_ | it is bzflag units |
| 19:00.44 | ToughShooter | jpa_: Use a circle >:) |
| 19:01.14 | jpa_ | ToughShooter: actually, all that i need is to have the point inside the polygon :) |
| 19:01.31 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (~G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 19:04.28 | trepan | RPG: positive and negative number for 'texsize' do slightly different things, but they can both result in repeated texturing |
| 19:04.35 | trepan | s/number/numbers |
| 19:04.48 | trepan | oops, gone... |
| 19:04.58 | trepan | gonna be one of those days |
| 19:05.25 | ToughShooter | Wow, someone else has similar reaction times, like me :) |
| 19:05.42 | jpa_ | hi trepan :) |
| 19:05.54 | jpa_ | (the one who doesn't document anything very well :) |
| 19:06.09 | trepan | jpa: the annoying little finn |
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| 19:06.44 | Aribeth_away | hi trepan |
| 19:06.56 | ToughShooter | Hi Aribeth_away |
| 19:07.05 | Aribeth_away | hi TS |
| 19:07.10 | jpa_ | trepan: no smiley? :( |
| 19:07.37 | trepan | Aribeth_away: mornin' |
| 19:08.28 | Aribeth_away | trepan, i saw your birds the other day. very cool |
| 19:08.49 | trepan | you did? weird, i thought i'd killed that server |
| 19:09.00 | trepan | where they flapping? |
| 19:09.39 | Aribeth_away | i saw it just before you killed it, they were not flapping |
| 19:10.04 | trepan | ah, old stuff then... they were given wings with a purpose ;) |
| 19:10.11 | jpa_ | trepan: is that really what you think about me? |
| 19:10.19 | trepan | yes |
| 19:10.25 | jpa_ | :/ |
| 19:12.20 | BearPerson | hmm. Maybe a "forgive TK" would be an interesting addition |
| 19:13.02 | BearPerson | e.g. if you drive into another player's shot you have the option of not making that count as a TK |
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| 19:13.52 | ToughShooter | ~Aribeth++ |
| 19:14.00 | spldart | Ok linux users. Recommend me a good version to run a software firewall/router, a web server apache/linux, and of course bzfs. And I need to support a cable modem on usb. |
| 19:14.28 | Tupone | gentoo :) |
| 19:14.34 | jpa_ | for two first, i'd say debian stable |
| 19:14.37 | Tupone | depend on your expertise |
| 19:14.42 | jpa_ | for bzfs, i say gentoo |
| 19:14.47 | spldart | I'm tired of no global logins :( |
| 19:14.56 | spldart | I have only minimal exposure to linux |
| 19:15.05 | spldart | So I would be out of my element |
| 19:15.20 | spldart | It needs to be an easy to configure version of linux. |
| 19:15.27 | brlcad | linux kernel firewall is built in, apache is the only real http choice, bzfs version 2 .. has very little to do with OS preference (which you'll get a dozen answers for) :) |
| 19:15.48 | JBdiGriz | linux, bleah |
| 19:15.52 | jpa_ | brlcad: actually, for my experience, bzfs 2.0 is really evil to get compiled on debian stable |
| 19:15.53 | spldart | windows and bzfs don't play nice |
| 19:16.04 | jpa_ | brlcad: it didn't work very well with new maps |
| 19:16.11 | wegstar_away | spldart: have you tried Jeffm2501's "solution"? |
| 19:16.12 | brlcad | jpa_: he said nothing of compiling |
| 19:16.12 | Tupone | JBdiGriz means Max not windows |
| 19:16.20 | jpa_ | brlcad: hm.. |
| 19:16.20 | Tupone | Mac :) |
| 19:16.21 | brlcad | some people just download and run |
| 19:16.22 | spldart | what solution is that? |
| 19:16.36 | jpa_ | brlcad: is there wokring .deb for stable? |
| 19:16.44 | brlcad | should be |
| 19:16.52 | spldart | I don't want to do compile anything |
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| 19:16.54 | jpa_ | it is about preference if it is available only for some distros |
| 19:17.07 | JBdiGriz | Tupone: FreeBSD :) |
| 19:17.12 | brlcad | ~literal deb |
| 19:17.13 | ibot | "deb" is "the extension for debian precompiled packages" |
| 19:17.15 | spldart | I want to download something that offers good hardware support and has some features to help a linux idiot along |
| 19:17.45 | brlcad | spldart: that's called Mac OS X :) |
| 19:17.48 | Tupone | JBdiGriz: not very dissimilar, I suppose |
| 19:17.51 | spldart | Machine will be a super socket 7 mobo with k6 2 500. |
| 19:17.54 | spldart | 256 meg |
| 19:18.09 | wegstar_away | its in the forums.. |
| 19:18.18 | spldart | link me? |
| 19:18.23 | wegstar_away | something about changing the port of the thingy to 81 |
| 19:18.25 | wegstar_away | k |
| 19:19.45 | wegstar_away | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3427 |
| 19:20.51 | spldart | OH... |
| 19:21.43 | wegstar | yeah.. you answered to it.. |
| 19:21.50 | wegstar | did you try it? |
| 19:21.52 | spldart | yeah. I tried that |
| 19:21.55 | wegstar | hmm |
| 19:21.57 | spldart | didn't help my global problem though |
| 19:22.44 | spldart | For the peeps helping with linux.. I have used Lycoris with good results and I've used Knoppix 3.7 with great results |
| 19:23.18 | spldart | But I'm thinking a full featured distro like these isn't the best choice to make a rock solid stable machine for a server |
| 19:23.51 | spldart | I've tried Redhat, SuSe and others too |
| 19:24.25 | spldart | The linux distro I use HAS GOT to be able to file share very well with all my other windows machines |
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| 19:25.53 | spldart | So Gentoo fits the bill? |
| 19:26.00 | spldart | Any particular release? |
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| 19:29.49 | spldart | :( |
| 19:31.19 | wegstar_ | ... |
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| 19:45.55 | spldart | Going to look for samba gentoo |
| 19:55.00 | Birdie | JeffM2501 ping |
| 19:59.59 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, plonk |
| 20:00.25 | JeffM2501 | he just smiled and gave me a vegamite sandwitch |
| 20:02.22 | cosmos | lying in a den in bombay with a slack [3~jaw and not much to say |
| 20:02.38 | JeffM2501 | we can dance if we want to |
| 20:02.46 | JeffM2501 | we can go when we want to |
| 20:02.53 | cosmos | men without hats! |
| 20:02.56 | JeffM2501 | and we can dress real neat from our hats to our feet! |
| 20:03.13 | JeffM2501 | they both start with "men" in the play list so they are one after the other :) |
| 20:03.34 | JeffM2501 | eeeekkkk.. mac OS 7.5.3!!!!! |
| 20:04.01 | Aribeth | now that IS old |
| 20:04.07 | cosmos | not really |
| 20:04.21 | cosmos | ive got sdys system 6 stuff all over the place |
| 20:04.32 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 20:05.34 | Birdie | thoughshooter present? |
| 20:06.53 | JeffM2501 | it's funny how dependent people have become on the net |
| 20:07.01 | JeffM2501 | there is no browser on 7.5 |
| 20:07.09 | JeffM2501 | so I can't realy get files from sites :) |
| 20:07.15 | BearPerson | who needs a browser... telnet will suffice :) |
| 20:07.32 | JeffM2501 | don't have that ether |
| 20:08.02 | BearPerson | without telnet (on linux bash) { cat <&3 & cat >&3 ; } 3<>/dev/tcp/www.google.com/80 |
| 20:08.05 | BearPerson | ;-) |
| 20:08.52 | BearPerson | heck, you just need anything that can make a tcp connection, send arbitrary stuff and write what it recieves into a file ;-) |
| 20:09.10 | JeffM2501 | I am on a 68k mac |
| 20:09.20 | JeffM2501 | with not even a cdrom drive |
| 20:13.09 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't even have a 10bT port |
| 20:13.17 | cosmos | localtalk! |
| 20:13.37 | JeffM2501 | AAUI |
| 20:13.44 | JeffM2501 | found an adapter to 10bT |
| 20:14.58 | spldart | how big is gentoo? |
| 20:15.25 | cosmos | oh god, "we will taked down ur server if u dont put overlord back up now u sonz of bitchez" |
| 20:15.37 | cosmos | i should probably take my email out of the server message |
| 20:16.15 | spldart | geeez |
| 20:16.19 | spldart | BAN! |
| 20:16.21 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:16.25 | JeffM2501 | or at least make a mail just for that crap |
| 20:16.29 | cosmos | spldart: http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| 20:17.42 | spldart | You no likey gentoo? |
| 20:17.51 | spldart | I need a good easy linux to make a new server with |
| 20:18.12 | cosmos | i dont like linux |
| 20:18.16 | cosmos | but that page is funny |
| 20:18.18 | Aribeth | Gentoo will make a good server |
| 20:18.21 | cosmos | for the ricer references |
| 20:18.46 | spldart | I hate ricers :) |
| 20:19.24 | cosmos | that link got sent around at work and one of the IT guys pulled a knife on the guy that sent it |
| 20:19.27 | cosmos | linux tards |
| 20:19.57 | spldart | OMG that's f'n weak |
| 20:21.37 | cosmos | you think the bz kiddies are bad, go criticize linux on usenet or a web forum |
| 20:21.40 | spldart | Ok... So Gentoo is one thing. And Samba is another thing you add on to make it talk to other machines like windows in a file sharing environment? |
| 20:21.46 | cosmos | you will be denial of serviced until the cows come home |
| 20:21.49 | cosmos | threats |
| 20:21.54 | cosmos | phone calls |
| 20:21.55 | cosmos | etc |
| 20:22.05 | spldart | Severe fanboys huh? |
| 20:22.09 | JeffM2501 | samba is a windows networking kit for non windows OSs |
| 20:22.15 | cosmos | whatever a fanboy is i guess |
| 20:22.16 | spldart | Ok |
| 20:22.27 | JeffM2501 | it can let linux use the windows networking protocoll |
| 20:22.31 | JeffM2501 | as ether a server or client |
| 20:22.45 | JeffM2501 | it was also used on the mac before 10.3 |
| 20:22.58 | Aribeth | spldart, emerge samba |
| 20:22.58 | spldart | IC. I'm trying to find the perfect linux for me |
| 20:23.06 | JeffM2501 | there is no perfect linux |
| 20:23.15 | JeffM2501 | just like there is no perfect windows |
| 20:23.23 | JeffM2501 | for a starter I'd sugest debian |
| 20:23.39 | JeffM2501 | good ballance of ease of install vs. power to change stuff |
| 20:23.56 | Aribeth | deb, gentoo, for me any distro that does not use rpm |
| 20:23.58 | spldart | There has to be an optimal distro for me though |
| 20:24.00 | JeffM2501 | Gentoo is very powerfull, but very long to setup |
| 20:24.05 | spldart | The best one |
| 20:24.16 | JeffM2501 | a distro is just a way to get you the code |
| 20:24.23 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly all the same code once you get it |
| 20:24.24 | Aribeth | yup |
| 20:24.29 | JeffM2501 | so realy it dosn't mater |
| 20:24.32 | Aribeth | i just dont like rpm |
| 20:24.33 | JeffM2501 | it's just how you want to get it |
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| 20:24.38 | JeffM2501 | rpm is kinda flakey |
| 20:24.48 | JeffM2501 | debian works well |
| 20:24.52 | JeffM2501 | we use it here on our servers |
| 20:24.58 | JeffM2501 | it's easy to install stuf with apt |
| 20:25.12 | JeffM2501 | yet you can build things from source or change raw configs if you need to |
| 20:25.12 | Aribeth | it can get a package into a state of not being installed, yet it says it is |
| 20:25.19 | JeffM2501 | and apt has a LOT of stuff in it |
| 20:25.46 | Aribeth | emerge is cool too |
| 20:25.52 | JeffM2501 | emerge is like super apt |
| 20:26.12 | JeffM2501 | but there is a higher time/knowledge cost to installing gentoo |
| 20:26.33 | Aribeth | yes, but once setup its rock solid |
| 20:26.42 | JeffM2501 | asuming you dont' mess with it :) |
| 20:26.53 | JeffM2501 | debian can be set that way as well |
| 20:26.55 | Aribeth | they are working on an installer project |
| 20:27.01 | JeffM2501 | that would help a lot |
| 20:27.07 | JeffM2501 | the new sarge installer is very nice |
| 20:27.17 | JeffM2501 | debian got me to use linux for many things |
| 20:27.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm about ready to start trying gentoo again |
| 20:27.36 | JeffM2501 | but I would never have been able to install gentoo as my first distro |
| 20:27.39 | Aribeth | i tried deb with little success |
| 20:27.58 | JeffM2501 | gentoo users hate the deb install, cus it's "too simple" :) |
| 20:28.16 | JeffM2501 | spldart, what are you looking for in a distro? |
| 20:28.20 | Aribeth | heh, i dont mind it either way |
| 20:28.59 | JeffM2501 | basicly distro's just determeine your OS install type, the amount of customisation you can do, and how you get software. |
| 20:29.25 | Aribeth | yup |
| 20:29.45 | JeffM2501 | once it's installed what you do with it is all based on other software that shoudl work fine on any distro |
| 20:30.00 | JeffM2501 | I got samba set up in a couple hours on my debian machines |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM2501 | there are some nice tutorials for debian out there |
| 20:30.20 | JeffM2501 | but then gentoo has some very nice ( if long ) docs as well |
| 20:30.31 | Aribeth | one of these days i'll try it again |
| 20:30.41 | trepan | looks like the debian folks started to add a 3rd kernel, FreeBSD (linux & hurd) |
| 20:31.06 | Aribeth | wow |
| 20:31.08 | JeffM2501 | debian team is so very ripe for a split |
| 20:31.57 | JeffM2501 | whoohoo the little mac can see the network :) |
| 20:32.10 | JeffM2501 | with all of it's 24 megs of ram :) |
| 20:32.25 | Aribeth | which Mac? |
| 20:32.40 | JeffM2501 | ended up on a PPC 7100 |
| 20:32.52 | JeffM2501 | 66 whole mhz |
| 20:32.56 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 20:33.13 | JeffM2501 | the things I do to extract sound resources :) |
| 20:33.27 | Aribeth | lol |
| 20:33.48 | JeffM2501 | gotta find a tool that will convert resource sounds to AIFF tho |
| 20:34.13 | Aribeth | i have a 7500, an orig G3 powermac, and a forewire powerbook |
| 20:34.31 | Mr_Molez | vidalinux is nice |
| 20:35.27 | JeffM2501 | G3 at home dosn't run system 9 well |
| 20:35.38 | JeffM2501 | and the mini won't even boot to non X |
| 20:36.16 | Aribeth | im prolly gona dump the old Mac's when i move |
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| 21:02.18 | JeffM2501 | whoot got them all as AIFF files now :) |
| 21:02.50 | JeffM2501 | and it only took 4 applications |
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| 21:43.21 | BearPerson | Hmm. Could it fix/lessen the more-than-limit-player bug if we explicitly freed the GameKeeper::Player's in removePlayer? |
| 21:44.39 | BearPerson | I think the bug may (mostly or only) occur when e.g slots 0-24 are still allocated (but maybe one of them not used anymore) so the new arrival gets slot 25... |
| 21:46.06 | JeffM2501 | remove dependency on slots :) |
| 21:46.59 | brlcad | ~seen orchid |
| 21:47.03 | ibot | orchid <~aec@orchid.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 23h 54m 20s ago, saying: '~Mr_Molez++ '. |
| 21:47.07 | brlcad | hrmph |
| 21:47.24 | jpa_ | ~seen Birdie |
| 21:47.25 | ibot | birdie is currently on #bzleague (8h 9m 52s) #dub (8h 9m 52s) #bzflag (8h 9m 52s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 1h 41m 51s |
| 21:47.32 | jpa_ | bah |
| 21:47.36 | jpa_ | i meant.. |
| 21:47.40 | jpa_ | ~seen tankitty |
| 21:47.41 | ibot | tankitty <~gigi@95.166-136-217.adsl.skynet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 20d 1h 1m 37s ago, saying: 'ps aux'. |
| 21:47.46 | jpa_ | ~seen gina |
| 21:47.47 | ibot | gina <~gigi@141-59.240.81.adsl.skynet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6d 1h 36m 21s ago, saying: 'onboard intel:('. |
| 21:51.21 | Aribeth | Gentoo rocks |
| 21:51.38 | brlcad | gentoo on the rocks |
| 21:51.42 | brlcad | that sounds like a good drink |
| 21:51.59 | brlcad | gentoo would make a great name for a hard liquor |
| 21:52.07 | Aribeth | hehe, i was reading a line up above. :P |
| 21:52.38 | Aribeth | and forgot to scroll back down |
| 21:53.20 | Aribeth | get smashed with gentoo |
| 22:06.47 | Birdie | DTR? |
| 22:07.22 | DTRemenak_lap | Birdie? |
| 22:07.28 | jpa_ | DTRemenak_lap: is he heavy? |
| 22:07.35 | Birdie | could you do the reload yesterday? |
| 22:07.45 | DTRemenak_lap | ah, no, I couldn't |
| 22:08.00 | Birdie | ok |
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| 22:26.13 | Birdie | jpa- ping? |
| 22:26.18 | Birdie | jpa_ * |
| 22:26.25 | jpa_ | pposynh |
| 22:26.29 | Birdie | aah |
| 22:26.29 | jpa_ | hmpg |
| 22:26.38 | jpa_ | it is late, you can see thet :) |
| 22:26.48 | Birdie | only 0.30 |
| 22:27.04 | Birdie | time of the day i'm full concentrated |
| 22:27.12 | jpa_ | already 1:30 |
| 22:45.35 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:45.39 | brlcad | oof |
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| 23:04.19 | JeffM2501 | http://www.garagegames.com/pg/demo.php?id=12 |
| 23:07.45 | jpa_ | haha! |
| 23:07.48 | JeffM2501 | that will ether be the reason for or against having tilting tanks and aiming in bzflag |
| 23:07.49 | jpa_ | i can try it too |
| 23:07.54 | jpa_ | it runs with tnt2 :) |
| 23:09.11 | JeffM2501 | probably not well |
| 23:09.19 | jpa_ | but it says it will :) |
| 23:12.32 | spldart | ugh! I hate neighbors |
| 23:12.43 | Tupone | DTRemenak, or others: some server with downloadable texture ? |
| 23:13.16 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: definately against :) |
| 23:13.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's very muich a pita when the tank dosn't turn with the turret |
| 23:13.56 | DTRemenak | Tupone: hmm? |
| 23:14.25 | Tupone | there is a facility to download texture. Someone can point me to a server that use actually it |
| 23:14.32 | DTRemenak | dtremenak.bakadigital.com:7000 |
| 23:14.51 | DTRemenak | or LouMan's island map |
| 23:15.08 | DTRemenak | probably others but I can't think of any off the top of my head |
| 23:15.15 | Tupone | LouMan say me that is offended by md5 |
| 23:15.21 | Tupone | yours work :) |
| 23:15.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:15.51 | DTRemenak | LouMan's worked for me yesterday. haven't tried since |
| 23:16.04 | Tupone | yeah, it worked to me too |
| 23:17.13 | jpa_ | cool :) |
| 23:17.25 | jpa_ | we need no bzflag anymore :P |
| 23:18.46 | spldart | Is Gentoo suppossed to be a small file? |
| 23:19.01 | spldart | Is it a minimalist OS |
| 23:19.25 | jpa_ | yes and no |
| 23:19.25 | prop | not really |
| 23:19.30 | Tupone | yeah very minimalistic a start, it does not have anything. You have to dl every source from the net |
| 23:19.49 | spldart | It sounds like it might be a bit tough for me to set up |
| 23:19.53 | jpa_ | you can install it with only some 100MB tgz-package, but it doesn't have much |
| 23:20.19 | jpa_ | then you start to emerge.. like emerge apache |
| 23:20.20 | spldart | I assume that's to make it incredibly stable and then you only add what you need |
| 23:20.51 | spldart | does it auto handle emerge pretty well? |
| 23:20.51 | Tupone | after the start, it is all good |
| 23:20.53 | jpa_ | yes, much software comes with just typing emerge |
| 23:20.55 | DTRemenak | ah, at last...bash works :) |
| 23:20.57 | spldart | wow |
| 23:21.09 | prop | spldart: gentoo is a pain in the ass when it comes to keeping it up to date |
| 23:21.12 | Tupone | start is, well, a K2 climb |
| 23:21.17 | jpa_ | prop: how so? |
| 23:21.27 | prop | jpa_: something is almost always broken |
| 23:21.31 | spldart | OK.... can someone tell me what file I should download exactly? |
| 23:21.34 | spldart | To get started |
| 23:21.41 | Tupone | www.gentoo.org |
| 23:21.47 | Tupone | there is a good doc |
| 23:21.49 | spldart | They have alot of links there |
| 23:21.50 | Tupone | to install |
| 23:21.51 | spldart | ok |
| 23:21.58 | jpa_ | "gentoo handbook" |
| 23:22.12 | Tupone | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml |
| 23:22.16 | jpa_ | prop: blame bad software, not gentoo :) |
| 23:23.36 | Tupone | emerge --sync; emerge --update --deep --newuse world keep it is enough for me to keep it update |
| 23:23.53 | Tupone | s/keep// |
| 23:23.54 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it may work if you had a system that kept the target aligned best it could in world space, not relitive to the tank |
| 23:24.09 | spldart | Ok... My architectures is x86 with my old 500mhz amd right? |
| 23:24.10 | jpa_ | Tupone: i go easier.. emerge sync ; emerge --ask world |
| 23:24.13 | JeffM2501 | so when you aim up 15 deg, it's allways above that horizon, not relitive to tank inclination |
| 23:24.20 | Tupone | no --deep ? |
| 23:24.36 | Tupone | it does not update deepest package |
| 23:24.56 | prop | spldart: you might want to reconsider installing a source-based distro on a slowish machine |
| 23:24.57 | DTRemenak | maybe |
| 23:25.05 | spldart | ah |
| 23:25.18 | JeffM2501 | be interesting to research |
| 23:25.22 | spldart | I had mentioned the machine speed before but several sounded good about gentoo. |
| 23:25.37 | jpa_ | it might go ok for server at 500MHz |
| 23:25.38 | spldart | I would like to put linux on a 100 fsb 5 multiplier machine |
| 23:25.41 | jpa_ | but not for a desktop |
| 23:25.49 | spldart | I have 98se on it now |
| 23:25.54 | spldart | and that;s my server |
| 23:26.03 | jpa_ | i have debian sarge in my server, 500MHz k6-2 |
| 23:26.10 | jpa_ | with 512MB ram |
| 23:26.13 | prop | slackware or debian would sound better on that kind of machine |
| 23:26.19 | spldart | I only have 256 meg ram |
| 23:26.22 | spldart | I think |
| 23:26.25 | jpa_ | bzfs runs fine, so does apache and stuff |
| 23:26.44 | spldart | It needs to run on that machine and be friendly to a linux n00b |
| 23:27.04 | jpa_ | bah, no good server distro is noob-friendly |
| 23:27.05 | spldart | I have maybe 10 or 20 hours on linux machines |
| 23:27.38 | spldart | knoppix and lycoris were very 'windows' like and thus were easy for me to deal with |
| 23:28.01 | spldart | redhat, suse, etc were a bit harder |
| 23:28.37 | bryjen | building a minimalist server-type setup is not really noobie-ish |
| 23:28.48 | spldart | I was worried about that. |
| 23:28.49 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: :) |
| 23:28.56 | spldart | I might have to get my brother over here |
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| 23:29.13 | spldart | He writes software and does linux more than I |
| 23:29.43 | spldart | Let me go ahead and try. What is a good minimalist base to start a linux machine on to develop a server. |
| 23:29.45 | spldart | For a small lan |
| 23:29.57 | prop | again: slackware or debian :) |
| 23:29.58 | spldart | File, web, bzfs, software router firewall |
| 23:30.00 | spldart | oK |
| 23:30.05 | spldart | I'll check those out for a bit |
| 23:30.08 | bryjen | the user-friendly stuff usually means lotsa GUI-ness and eye candy that may not do well on an older machine either |
| 23:30.09 | spldart | Thanks all |
| 23:30.15 | jpa_ | spldart: debian or gentoo.. |
| 23:30.16 | spldart | I know |
| 23:30.31 | spldart | I might have to lose the gui to gain reliable |
| 23:30.31 | jpa_ | spldart: gentoo is not minimalistic if you think about harddrive, though |
| 23:30.37 | spldart | or find a middle ground |
| 23:31.05 | Tupone | don't do gentoo :/ at first |
| 23:31.09 | jpa_ | but gentoo or debian might be quite neat without gui too |
| 23:31.13 | spldart | being 1337 isn't always easy :( |
| 23:31.38 | prop | jpa_: and slackware wouldn't?-) |
| 23:31.57 | bryjen | if it were, anyone could do it, and then it wouldn't be so 'leet |
| 23:31.59 | bryjen | ;) |
| 23:32.01 | Tupone | I'll go with fedora, suse or mandrake |
| 23:32.05 | theEnemy | I think Fedora Core 3 is pretty good, and you can choose between various profiles at installation, i.e. server versus gnome desktop versus kde desktop etc. |
| 23:32.07 | theEnemy | It's also easy to update |
| 23:32.35 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:32.53 | spldart | So many linux's so little time |
| 23:33.10 | Birdie | stick the windows and you wont have the problem;) |
| 23:33.15 | Birdie | to * |
| 23:33.19 | JeffM2501 | Darwin!!!! |
| 23:33.24 | spldart | Is update very important.... This machine won't surf the web, or used in any other category |
| 23:33.30 | bryjen | meh, it's all much the same software in the end. just different paths to get there. |
| 23:33.41 | spldart | windows doesnt' |
| 23:33.48 | spldart | do global login reliably |
| 23:33.50 | theEnemy | for a n00b i wouldn't try debian or gentoo i'm afraid. |
| 23:33.53 | JeffM2501 | debian is decently easy to isntall |
| 23:34.03 | JeffM2501 | FC4 will be candy |
| 23:34.08 | JeffM2501 | but you will find it anoying |
| 23:34.08 | theEnemy | JeffM2501: how do i try out darwin on my PC here then? ;-) |
| 23:34.18 | JeffM2501 | get it, install it |
| 23:34.20 | JeffM2501 | fear it |
| 23:34.31 | JeffM2501 | there are darwin X86 builds |
| 23:34.35 | DTRemenak | theEnemy: http://opendarwin.org/ |
| 23:34.53 | theEnemy | wow, didn't know about that |
| 23:34.54 | JeffM2501 | dosn't get you aqua |
| 23:34.58 | JeffM2501 | so you end up runing X |
| 23:35.06 | spldart | I've got debian coming down from berkely. But it's 600 meg iso... I might want to go more minimalist |
| 23:35.16 | DTRemenak | you miss all the nifty osx stuff, but you get (supposedly) a nice bsd-ish system |
| 23:35.24 | JeffM2501 | spldart, do the 80 meg sarge net install CD |
| 23:35.36 | spldart | ? |
| 23:35.41 | JeffM2501 | for debian |
| 23:35.44 | spldart | ah |
| 23:35.44 | JeffM2501 | you don't need full disk 1 |
| 23:35.45 | spldart | looking |
| 23:35.47 | JeffM2501 | use the sarge installer |
| 23:37.08 | JeffM2501 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:37.30 | JeffM2501 | netinst or biz card |
| 23:37.58 | spldart | sounds really minimal.. Can I add on support for a few cards after install? |
| 23:38.03 | spldart | Might be the ticket though |
| 23:38.15 | JeffM2501 | it downloads what ever you tell it to download |
| 23:38.19 | JeffM2501 | using apt |
| 23:38.21 | JeffM2501 | apt is cool |
| 23:38.54 | spldart | again.. I use x86 right? |
| 23:39.03 | spldart | or i86 |
| 23:39.08 | JeffM2501 | what CPU is it? |
| 23:39.12 | Tupone | you can even run darwin with Basilisk II: an emulator |
| 23:39.26 | Tupone | i396 |
| 23:39.29 | Tupone | i386 |
| 23:39.41 | JeffM2501 | if it's a p2 or p3 yeah |
| 23:39.45 | JeffM2501 | or p4 |
| 23:39.48 | JeffM2501 | or amd XP |
| 23:39.54 | spldart | amd k6 2 500 |
| 23:40.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:40.06 | JeffM2501 | theny our x86 |
| 23:40.16 | spldart | I'm still trying to find the 80 meg version to download |
| 23:40.22 | DTRemenak | Jeffm2501: could just shorten all that into: if it ran windows before |
| 23:40.22 | spldart | I find the full cd iso's |
| 23:40.24 | JeffM2501 | bizcard |
| 23:40.36 | spldart | ok |
| 23:40.37 | JeffM2501 | click that link I sent you |
| 23:40.45 | spldart | I saw the bizcard |
| 23:40.46 | spldart | thanks |
| 23:41.01 | spldart | it's 30 meg |
| 23:41.05 | JeffM2501 | net inst is only 106 megs |
| 23:41.08 | JeffM2501 | may want to do that |
| 23:41.11 | spldart | ah |
| 23:41.14 | JeffM2501 | it'll have more stuff |
| 23:41.25 | JeffM2501 | net inst used to be like 80 |
| 23:41.31 | JeffM2501 | guess it's up to 100 now |
| 23:41.33 | JeffM2501 | still small |
| 23:41.34 | spldart | ok... I got netinst coming down too. |
| 23:41.36 | spldart | 104 meg |
| 23:42.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah very manageable |
| 23:42.17 | spldart | I'll burn that to cd then get the new server plugged up and start a install |
| 23:42.17 | JeffM2501 | just burn boot and go |
| 23:42.17 | JeffM2501 | it's easy |
| 23:42.17 | spldart | thanks |
| 23:42.43 | JeffM2501 | I was able to install debian with little help, now I can do it in my sleep |
| 23:43.04 | JeffM2501 | it'll even partition the disk for you |
| 23:43.10 | spldart | I gotta replace the HD real quick. I want to save the 98 install so I can go back in a heartbeat |
| 23:44.19 | spldart | I gotta 10 gig in there with 98. But I'll swap in a 4 gig drive real quick to test this linux with |
| 23:44.37 | JeffM2501 | are you going to do X? |
| 23:44.43 | jpa_ | why quick? |
| 23:45.01 | spldart | Was is X? |
| 23:45.05 | JeffM2501 | X windows |
| 23:45.08 | spldart | Oh |
| 23:45.11 | JeffM2501 | graphical clicky interface thingy |
| 23:45.20 | spldart | Being a noob I'd like a minimal graphic thingy |
| 23:45.32 | JeffM2501 | 4 gig may push it for an X install |
| 23:45.36 | spldart | wow |
| 23:45.38 | spldart | that big? |
| 23:45.41 | JeffM2501 | X is X |
| 23:45.50 | spldart | grr |
| 23:45.51 | JeffM2501 | don't do KDE or GNOME |
| 23:45.54 | JeffM2501 | they will be big |
| 23:45.59 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I dunno about debian, but I run slack and x in less than 2 gigs |
| 23:46.01 | JeffM2501 | use fluxbox if you want small |
| 23:46.11 | DTRemenak | yeah, without kde or gnome |
| 23:46.16 | spldart | I can run xp sp2 and have room to spare on a 4 gig :( |
| 23:46.20 | JeffM2501 | flux may seem "wierd" to you tho |
| 23:46.22 | spldart | xp pro even |
| 23:46.39 | JeffM2501 | spldart, kde and gnome are not small, and they come with a lot of little apps usualy |
| 23:46.44 | JeffM2501 | linux is NOT windows |
| 23:46.45 | jpa_ | i had debian in my laptop with X in 1.3gig |
| 23:46.48 | JeffM2501 | don't try to compare them |
| 23:46.48 | spldart | yeah |
| 23:46.51 | jpa_ | with icewm |
| 23:46.59 | JeffM2501 | ice is small too |
| 23:47.08 | spldart | so x gui is the smallest and 'lightest'? |
| 23:47.08 | prop | fluxbox <3 :) |
| 23:47.09 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of nice small WMs |
| 23:47.12 | jpa_ | kde wouldn't even run on that box |
| 23:47.21 | spldart | I want reliable for bzfs and everything else |
| 23:47.29 | spldart | I"m not so sure |
| 23:47.30 | JeffM2501 | KDE and gnome are the "big" ones, but they are also often the most used/pritiest |
| 23:47.37 | spldart | knoppix and lycoris ran on this box |
| 23:47.39 | JeffM2501 | spldart, you don't even need X for a server. |
| 23:47.46 | jpa_ | spldart: X is the backend for graphical stuff, you usally get a window manager like kde or icewm too |
| 23:47.47 | spldart | They are very gui and very windows like |
| 23:47.48 | JeffM2501 | if you are cool with command line and ssh stuff |
| 23:47.52 | DTRemenak | spldart: for servers, I don't install x at all. |
| 23:48.03 | DTRemenak | for that matter, I usually run headless :) |
| 23:48.05 | spldart | I am not hip on command line for linux though |
| 23:48.19 | spldart | headless is great! For distributed computing farms |
| 23:48.21 | JeffM2501 | then you'll have to blow space and speed on X and a Window Manager |
| 23:48.33 | DTRemenak | spldart: well, what are you planning on doing with it? bzfs is commandline |
| 23:48.44 | DTRemenak | just get an editor you can use :)_ |
| 23:48.45 | spldart | apache, router, firewall, bzfs |
| 23:48.51 | JeffM2501 | don't expect a minial X to have stuff like windows controll pannels |
| 23:48.57 | JeffM2501 | for controlling the firewall |
| 23:48.59 | JeffM2501 | the router |
| 23:49.01 | JeffM2501 | or anything |
| 23:49.06 | DTRemenak | spldart: install webmin |
| 23:49.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:49.12 | JeffM2501 | webmin is nice |
| 23:49.14 | DTRemenak | configure it through your browser |
| 23:49.15 | spldart | crap :( |
| 23:49.16 | JeffM2501 | for a headless box |
| 23:49.25 | JeffM2501 | linux is NOT windows :) |
| 23:49.33 | JeffM2501 | KDE and GNOME have applets for many thigns |
| 23:49.36 | JeffM2501 | like user management |
| 23:49.39 | JeffM2501 | smaba config |
| 23:49.40 | JeffM2501 | etc... |
| 23:49.43 | JeffM2501 | but they take more space |
| 23:49.44 | DTRemenak | that will get you the best configuration interface for apache, firewall, routing, etc |
| 23:49.49 | DTRemenak | and samba |
| 23:49.51 | spldart | Should I instead go with a very full featured OS like knoppix ? |
| 23:49.56 | JeffM2501 | no do debian |
| 23:49.57 | JeffM2501 | no X |
| 23:50.00 | JeffM2501 | with webadmin |
| 23:50.02 | JeffM2501 | should be cake |
| 23:50.06 | spldart | ok |
| 23:50.17 | DTRemenak | webmin is coolness |
| 23:50.17 | spldart | I'm downloading debian 104 meg |
| 23:50.18 | JeffM2501 | at some point you have to learn by doing |
| 23:50.21 | JeffM2501 | so just do it :) |
| 23:50.24 | spldart | okies |
| 23:50.28 | JeffM2501 | if it works it works |
| 23:50.29 | DTRemenak | it's all pointy clicky remotely :) |
| 23:50.36 | spldart | oh... downloads done |
| 23:51.05 | jpa_ | aaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 23:51.26 | jpa_ | that new über expensive hp-server crashed :/ |
| 23:51.42 | spldart | :( @ jpa |
| 23:51.43 | jpa_ | and nearest administrator is 300km away |
| 23:52.00 | spldart | So.. I burn the inst 104 meg file |
| 23:52.46 | spldart | Is webadmin an add on? |
| 23:52.56 | DTRemenak | you can probably apt-get it |
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| 23:53.14 | spldart | apt-get? |
| 23:53.34 | DTRemenak | apt-get is the debian way |
| 23:53.56 | jpa_ | apt-get install webmin -> it downloads it off the net and install |
| 23:53.57 | spldart | Okies |
| 23:53.57 | jpa_ | s |
| 23:54.11 | DTRemenak | or if you want it from upstream, it's http://webadmin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:54.17 | spldart | I should probably dump the fancy video card and sound card... Will I be able to support a usb card? |
| 23:54.43 | DTRemenak | it will probably support every peice of hardware you have |
| 23:55.29 | bryjen | slack 10 full install with kde _and_ gnome _just_ fits on a 4.5GB drive ;) |
| 23:55.35 | spldart | ok |
| 23:55.49 | DTRemenak | slack rocks :) |
| 23:55.55 | bryjen | took quite a while to install all them packages tho. pii 450 |
| 23:56.33 | spldart | still... simple video card and no sound means less to go wrong |
| 23:57.09 | DTRemenak | spldart: anything you aren't planning on using, you can take out. speeds up the boot process, draws less power, etc |
| 23:57.28 | spldart | yeah |
| 23:57.31 | spldart | doing that now |
| 23:57.32 | DTRemenak | the only cards left in my server are the nics |
| 23:57.48 | spldart | I got my simplest video card in there now, a nic card, a usb card |
| 23:59.42 | spldart | will this sarge debian file share with windows? |
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