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| 00:13.19 | spldart | bzzt |
| 00:20.45 | bzflagwiz | wegstar: a bit late, but howdy back :) |
| 00:20.52 | wegstar | :) |
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| 00:37.33 | spldart | whew.... An 8 on hepcat... That's pretty good for me :eek: |
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| 00:47.12 | uso | strange, i have 15 ms ping to dfn net, another 15 ms inside dfn net, i.e. 30 ms to ducati.bzflag.org, ping gives no packet loss at all (for 1000 packets) |
| 00:47.44 | uso | bzflag says 30 ms, sometimes 1% packet loss, but ppl say i'm laggy and game is laggy for me too :( |
| 00:54.04 | uso | maybe there should be two versions of bzflag, one with goal high performance and one with goal high features |
| 00:54.48 | uso | network doesn't matter much if you fligh around with wings and 10 shots but it really matters if you are on ducati style with 2 shots |
| 00:59.58 | orange | thanks DTRemenak :-) |
| 01:00.05 | orange | ~dtremenak++ |
| 01:00.10 | DTRemenak | ~orange++ |
| 01:00.11 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 01:01.35 | orange | I have a feeling I wouldn't recognize the patch anymore though... hehe |
| 01:02.53 | DTRemenak | heh...most of it is exactly the same, just in a different place :) |
| 01:03.15 | DTRemenak | a couple lines added to make the bzdb var persistent |
| 01:03.48 | orange | cool |
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| 02:18.29 | Legoguy | uso: lag matters _quite a bit_ when you have wings flag. it gets annoying, almost moreso than with ducati |
| 02:18.42 | Legoguy | fyi ;) |
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| 03:03.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): reload indicators ala bzflag 1.8 |
| 03:08.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: oops, don't overlap altimeter |
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| 03:29.15 | uso | Legoguy: :)) |
| 03:29.51 | uso | Legoguy: thanks for beeing more precise :) |
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| 03:45.48 | jpa- | motnhfnhfj |
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| 03:49.42 | orange | hey JBdiGriz, dtremenak committed my patch for tk ratio highlighting |
| 03:50.20 | orange | trepan: love the highlight feature (just compiled from cvs) |
| 03:50.22 | jpa- | orange: so cvs source is broken now? ,) |
| 03:50.39 | orange | jpa-: hehe... it was a short patch, and I trust DTRemenak :-) |
| 03:50.51 | JBdiGriz | cool, I guess the other developers finally decided to stop complaining about it. |
| 03:51.06 | JBdiGriz | did you remove the bzdb accesses? |
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| 03:51.13 | DTRemenak | I moved them |
| 03:51.14 | ski | hi all |
| 03:51.16 | orange | heh... yeah, DTRemenak moved it |
| 03:51.22 | JBdiGriz | hi ski, get a mac mini :) |
| 03:51.26 | DTRemenak | so it's once per frame instead of once per player per frame |
| 03:51.32 | orange | hi ski |
| 03:51.33 | ski | lol |
| 03:51.40 | DTRemenak | hi ski |
| 03:51.41 | JBdiGriz | and you might have more luck reading the chat using alt-f2 |
| 03:51.47 | ski | im just frustrated an in BZ withdrawal |
| 03:51.47 | orange | shift-f2, JBdiGriz |
| 03:52.24 | JBdiGriz | That must be what I'm doing wrong ;) |
| 03:52.24 | ski | i cannot play bz on my pc since i got XP |
| 03:52.25 | jpa- | ski: whaat? who is doing something that evil to you? |
| 03:52.32 | orange | ski, with all those people telling you to try linux... well, that's great and all, and I use it, but it's not for everyone |
| 03:52.41 | JBdiGriz | He did it to himself by trusting M$ |
| 03:52.42 | orange | (I use it for everything but my laptop) |
| 03:52.48 | ski | ah |
| 03:53.00 | ski | im getting a new pc soon |
| 03:53.02 | JBdiGriz | I run unix on everything |
| 03:53.03 | orange | but... it's not for everyone, so I was suggesting you try one of the livecd's |
| 03:53.05 | ski | this one cannot handle xp |
| 03:53.17 | orange | JBdiGriz: does freebsd have a livecd? |
| 03:53.21 | DTRemenak | orange: yes |
| 03:53.38 | JBdiGriz | by live, you mean bootable? yep. |
| 03:53.44 | DTRemenak | freesbie |
| 03:53.49 | orange | so you can try that, ski, and try knoppix or one of the other linux livecd's... jpa- has opinions about that, I believe |
| 03:54.11 | ski | where do i go to get one of them? |
| 03:54.21 | jpa- | uh? |
| 03:54.22 | JBdiGriz | http://www.freebsd.org |
| 03:54.27 | jpa- | why would i have opinions? |
| 03:54.48 | DTRemenak | or http://www.freesbie.org/ |
| 03:54.50 | orange | didn't you have strong feelings about knoppix versus other livecd's? I remember this coming up back when you were going to make a custom livecd for sportchick |
| 03:54.52 | ski | and it wont mess up my pc any more than it is right? |
| 03:54.59 | orange | ski, they won't *touch* your hard drive |
| 03:55.12 | jpa- | except, if he expects to play bzflag on it, it'd better have glx, dri and stuff |
| 03:55.22 | JBdiGriz | you need to create some space on your hard drive to install it |
| 03:55.23 | DTRemenak | that's the point of the livecd thing - won't touch your hdd :) |
| 03:55.29 | jpa- | orange: except, some allow to use harddrive |
| 03:55.31 | ski | this pc only has a k6 with 450mHz |
| 03:55.36 | orange | jpa-: yeah, but you have to tell it to |
| 03:55.38 | ski | sloooowwww |
| 03:55.56 | jpa- | ski: ah, i wouldn't play bzflag on it :) |
| 03:56.02 | JBdiGriz | especially with a massive OS that is trying to sell you new hardware. |
| 03:56.08 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 03:56.10 | jpa- | but linux/freebsd/anything should work fine |
| 03:56.15 | orange | but, trying the livecd's lets you see if you like linux/freebsd, whatever |
| 03:56.24 | orange | if you do, you can ease into it... dual boot, play around, etc. |
| 03:56.35 | ski | cool |
| 03:56.49 | orange | you can web browse, open documents, etc. using livecds |
| 03:56.49 | ski | ill try it out |
| 03:56.54 | JBdiGriz | although playing bzflag while booted from a CD, might cause a few interesting phenomena |
| 03:57.00 | ski | lol |
| 03:57.08 | ski | ill have to try that too...hehe |
| 03:57.22 | orange | jpa-: did you ever determine if any of the livecds have 2.0.x bzflag? |
| 03:57.47 | jpa- | uh, too many to check them all |
| 03:57.51 | ski | i have to go,,,, thanks for all your help!! and ill try the livecd |
| 03:57.55 | orange | cu ski |
| 03:57.56 | jpa- | the ones i checked didn't at the time |
| 03:58.05 | ski | cya guys |
| 03:58.12 | jpa- | cya |
| 03:58.17 | jpa- | i have to go too.. |
| 03:58.24 | orange | adios jpa |
| 03:58.28 | DTRemenak | c'ya jpa- |
| 04:00.27 | uso | argh, again making client slower!? |
| 04:00.37 | uso | hopefulley only for admins ;) |
| 04:00.50 | uso | once per frame ... grrr |
| 04:01.14 | DTRemenak | uso: there are bzdb vars which are accessed > 100x/frame |
| 04:01.35 | uso | so kick them off :) |
| 04:02.20 | DTRemenak | uso: they control important things. like gravity...you wouldn't want your gravity to disappear now, would you? |
| 04:02.39 | uso | should be really a fast and a featurefull version of bzflag ;) |
| 04:03.01 | orange | BZDB.isTrue("hideEmails") is accessed once per frame per player... could be moved out like the tkratio was, DTRemenak |
| 04:03.11 | uso | would be nice to fly without wings ... i i ever would have liked to fly ;) |
| 04:03.29 | DTRemenak | orange: yeah, it could be...patches welcome :D |
| 04:03.36 | orange | hehe |
| 04:03.44 | orange | once I see what you did with the tk one I might |
| 04:03.45 | uso | *if |
| 04:03.53 | orange | (anon cvs is too far behind :-( ) |
| 04:04.08 | DTRemenak | aren't they supposed to be fixing that? goodness... |
| 04:05.11 | uso | ok, if it's only a check of a variable my fps may cope with it :) |
| 04:05.35 | DTRemenak | uso: yeah, it's not like it's drawing anything |
| 04:05.42 | DTRemenak | now, my last patch DOES draw stuff |
| 04:05.58 | DTRemenak | but you can always turn it off :) |
| 04:07.05 | uso | does it save a lot of bandwidth for the server if there are no super flags on a map? or only a bit? |
| 04:07.25 | DTRemenak | only a little |
| 04:10.12 | uso | is the scorelist calculated every frame or only if a player is shot? |
| 04:10.55 | uso | joins, leaves, ... |
| 04:11.19 | DTRemenak | the calculations take no time |
| 04:11.24 | DTRemenak | drawing is the slow part |
| 04:11.57 | uso | that would be my conclusion if it is calculated every frams ;) |
| 04:12.01 | uso | *frame |
| 04:12.34 | uso | because switching it off doesn't influence fps (much) |
| 04:13.15 | DTRemenak | heh, no...what I'm saying is that the small fps change you see from turning it off is almost entirely from the drawing...rendering the characters onto the screen |
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| 04:30.30 | SportChick | sgk284: ping |
| 04:30.51 | orange | hey kc9foh |
| 04:31.03 | kc9foh | hello orange |
| 04:31.20 | kc9foh | this is my first time using irc |
| 04:31.49 | Aribeth_away | hi SportChick |
| 04:32.30 | kc9foh | so whats with the green boxes? they like owners |
| 04:32.54 | orange | probably channel admins, but it depends on your client.. I have neither green nor boxes in mine :-) |
| 04:33.41 | kc9foh | ah im using the one on bzflags site i couldnt get mirc to connect |
| 04:36.12 | orange | does the cgi::irc support private messages? |
| 04:36.34 | kc9foh | checking |
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| 04:42.04 | SportChick | hi ari |
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| 05:10.07 | orange | can just any old person with a sourceforge account use non-anonymous cvs to get the latest bzflag? |
| 05:10.13 | orange | or do you have to be a developer on bzflag? |
| 05:10.46 | trepan | got 2 b a d. |
| 05:10.54 | orange | t y |
| 05:11.07 | orange | btw, thanks for the showips logout stuff, trepan, works great |
| 05:11.32 | orange | as does the highlight, if I haven't mentioned it |
| 05:11.41 | trepan | glad to be of service |
| 05:11.49 | orange | I tried to compile with debug to try out localset, but the compile bombed, so I didn't mess with it :-) |
| 05:12.18 | trepan | it's intended for devs... you're not missing much ;) |
| 05:12.49 | orange | actually, given the tk highlight ratio thing, it'd be nice to be able to adjust that kind of thing on the fly |
| 05:13.29 | DTRemenak | orange: compile should not fail. what gave you a problem? |
| 05:13.38 | orange | DTRemenak: I dunno, let me start clean and see |
| 05:14.17 | orange | I think that might be it |
| 05:14.31 | orange | it was a warning but -Werrors (or whatever) was set |
| 05:14.35 | DTRemenak | ahh, gcc madness :) |
| 05:16.56 | orange | it bombs when it hits FontManager.cxx |
| 05:17.10 | orange | ../../include/Singleton.h: In constructor `Singleton<T>::Singleton(T*)': |
| 05:17.10 | orange | ../../include/Singleton.h:67: warning: declaration of `pInstance' shadows a |
| 05:17.10 | orange | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.35 | DTRemenak | ah, shadow variables. we've got a ton of them. patches welcome, I guess... |
| 05:18.07 | DTRemenak | or just remove -Wshadow from your configure |
| 05:18.10 | orange | when I know what they are, I'll think about it :-) |
| 05:18.32 | DTRemenak | variables of the same name with different scopes |
| 05:18.53 | orange | overlapping? |
| 05:19.00 | DTRemenak | no, stacked |
| 05:19.52 | DTRemenak | like void function(void) { int a = 1; if (true) { int a = 2; } } |
| 05:20.12 | orange | ohh, nested |
| 05:20.16 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 05:20.27 | orange | that's definitely an accident waiting to happen |
| 05:20.32 | DTRemenak | depends |
| 05:21.29 | DTRemenak | a lot of times there's not really any problem. sometimes it can be bad though. |
| 05:22.08 | orange | there's not really a reason to do it, other than "didn't know" or running out of purty variable names, is there? |
| 05:32.22 | orange | fixing that just involves creating new variable names for the offending instances, right? You have to determine the entire scope of the offending variable, and change all occurrences of that variable in that scope. |
| 05:32.43 | orange | because the most recently defined (innermost scope) takes precedence, I assume |
| 05:36.24 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 05:36.36 | DTRemenak | the warnings are a good indicator |
| 05:36.54 | DTRemenak | the line number given is the innermost occurence |
| 05:37.19 | orange | is c++ scoping fairly obscure, or is it as obvious as, for example, perl? |
| 05:37.40 | DTRemenak | it's obvoius |
| 05:37.47 | DTRemenak | if it's in brackets, it's a new scope |
| 05:37.53 | orange | basically {}, then file scoping? |
| 05:37.56 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 05:38.08 | DTRemenak | plus a complication from derived classes |
| 05:38.14 | orange | here we go :-) |
| 05:38.26 | DTRemenak | but I seriously doubt you'll run into anything like that |
| 05:39.27 | uso | eeek, textures are now blinking on some maps :( |
| 05:39.51 | uso | first thought kiddies got a new toy for their map :) |
| 05:40.05 | orange | the return of <BLINK>? |
| 05:40.11 | uso | but it's also on loumans island hopping |
| 05:40.19 | uso | lol |
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| 05:40.57 | uso | actually it's more a cycling of colors, blue, red, black |
| 05:41.11 | uso | may this be a driver issue? |
| 05:41.19 | uso | i'm back on xfree drivers now |
| 05:54.09 | uso | anybody else have seen this? |
| 05:54.37 | uso | can i put snapshots on pastebin? |
| 05:54.47 | orange | uuencode it :-) |
| 05:54.54 | uso | :) |
| 05:55.50 | orange | zhey jb digriz |
| 05:55.56 | orange | sigh |
| 05:56.47 | jpa- | ~orange++ |
| 05:56.52 | jpa- | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 06:02.21 | uso | time to go to bed ... maybe the blinking is gone tomorrow ;) |
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| 07:45.38 | LePoulpe | Hi all |
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| 08:34.26 | fabianne | morning |
| 08:37.54 | orange | DTRemenak: ping |
| 08:48.05 | orange | DTRemenak: pm'd you on bzbb |
| 08:48.16 | orange | long overdue bedtime for me |
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| 10:32.38 | CBG | Hello? |
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| 10:40.44 | CBG | hi DV |
| 10:42.12 | DarthValou | hello |
| 10:42.29 | CBG | Do you know what it means to give someone 'Voice' on a channel? |
| 10:45.44 | ToughShooter | ~ask |
| 10:45.45 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 10:46.21 | CBG | waaa? |
| 10:47.17 | [dmp] | CBG: google for irc voice |
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| 10:47.31 | CBG | OK :( |
| 10:47.44 | [dmp] | CBG: http://www.ircbeginner.com/opvinfo/opvinfo.html |
| 10:47.55 | CBG | lol. I am there now. |
| 10:55.19 | CBG | Okay, I can't find any definition of what it means to give a user "Voice"... |
| 10:55.38 | CBG | And I have another question too.... Isn't there a channel for IRC Help? |
| 10:58.22 | [dmp] | you can set a channel in a mode, so that only people with OP or voice can speak |
| 10:58.46 | CBG | Oh...So someone with Voice is like an OP? |
| 10:58.51 | [dmp] | to give a user voice, means that he gets "+" (like OPs get @) (this differs from client to client how they show) |
| 10:58.59 | ToughShooter | There is #freenode |
| 10:59.02 | [dmp] | No, they are just normaly users allowed to speak |
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| 10:59.13 | [dmp] | lets go private |
| 10:59.20 | CBG | ToughSHooter, I tried there, everyone ignored me. |
| 11:00.08 | ToughShooter | CBG: I think you've done something wrong. |
| 11:00.17 | IsoosI | my client was working fine a minute ago, then segfaulted. now when I restart it it locks up after displaying the window, but before it writes anything on it (eg, the menu). I've tried deleting the cache and the config file and still no go |
| 11:00.24 | CBG | ToughShooter: huh? |
| 11:00.46 | IsoosI | I suspect it's a deadlock issue, as killing one pid causes it to progress a bit further (according to -debug) before it exits |
| 11:00.53 | IsoosI | is there any known work around or bug fix for this? |
| 11:00.57 | ToughShooter | ~ask |
| 11:00.58 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 11:02.11 | IsoosI | I've tried the sf bugtracker, but I've not found a solution |
| 11:02.28 | CBG | lol. You guys really don't like answering questions. :D |
| 11:02.41 | ToughShooter | Devs are mostly sleeping right now |
| 11:02.57 | IsoosI | ToughShooter, when are they usually around? |
| 11:03.23 | CBG | Evening... |
| 11:03.38 | ToughShooter | IsoosI: In 6 hours I think |
| 11:03.48 | ToughShooter | and it depends to which OS |
| 11:05.07 | IsoosI | Gentoo Linux |
| 11:05.14 | IsoosI | hrm, 6 hours from now I'll probably be asleep |
| 11:06.07 | ToughShooter | That's the problem with time zones I guess |
| 11:07.51 | ToughShooter | At the mentioned time it will be something around morning |
| 11:07.52 | IsoosI | indeed |
| 11:07.56 | IsoosI | yeah |
| 11:08.01 | IsoosI | I assume they'll be around when I wake up |
| 11:08.15 | CBG | when will that be? |
| 11:08.27 | CBG | 14hrs form now? |
| 11:10.03 | IsoosI | ~12 hours or so |
| 11:10.15 | CBG | they should be here then. :) |
| 11:10.44 | CBG | so will I, probably... I swear I spend too much online. |
| 11:11.05 | CBG | Anyway, I ahve been awake 2 hours and havent played any bz yet... Im getting ratty. |
| 11:11.11 | CBG | I'll be back later ;) |
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| 11:50.12 | CBG | ARGH!!!!!!!! |
| 11:50.12 | CBG | I swear I gonna smash this iBook up soon. |
| 11:50.28 | CBG | Why do i even bother to play bz when there are so many idiots playing? |
| 11:50.44 | [dmp] | why thank you :( |
| 11:51.08 | CBG | 1. I hate people who cap 4v1. |
| 11:51.21 | CBG | 2. I hate people who cap 1v4 then dont expect to be capped back 4v1. |
| 11:51.37 | CBG | 3. I hate beiong on a team where all the others are playing FFA not CTF. |
| 11:53.21 | [dmp] | 2: change team (for 1 too, if possible). 3: change team. |
| 11:54.00 | CBG | Because of the way 2.0.2 sets the teams, you cant change teams most of the time... |
| 11:54.37 | [dmp] | CBG: regarding your question. No you cannot log your channel. You need either to be there yourself, or get someone else to do it (ie, anohter human or a program (bot)) |
| 11:54.38 | CBG | and changing teams is not a solution for 2. |
| 11:56.01 | CBG | Its on gu.de where there are 4 teams |
| 11:56.10 | CBG | nand if for example the teams are 4v4v1v1 |
| 11:56.39 | CBG | they wont let you move from a 4player team to a 1 player team because then the other 4 player team would be up against only a 3 player team |
| 11:56.52 | CBG | its better to have 4v4 and 1v1 than 4v3v2v1... suppossedly |
| 11:57.05 | CBG | its the way 2 sets the teams. :( |
| 11:57.15 | CBG | I just wanna Yell and Smash something up. |
| 11:57.17 | [dmp] | I belived it was two teams only. |
| 11:57.28 | CBG | The league is... |
| 11:57.37 | CBG | I'm talking about the regular place 5154 |
| 11:58.10 | [dmp] | and you cant play 2vs2 on there anymore? |
| 11:58.33 | CBG | on the leage server yes |
| 11:58.42 | CBG | but the public "Fun" server has 4 teams... |
| 11:58.49 | [dmp] | odd |
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| 12:16.14 | davix | hey Eyal. |
| 12:16.22 | Eyal | hey davix =] |
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| 12:43.08 | Chestal | what should happen if playe tries to join a server as red, but all coloured teams are full, rogue slot available? Obs or rogue? (with server autoteam) |
| 12:43.44 | CBG | Rogue. |
| 12:44.00 | CBG | Personbally I would rather play as rogue than go obs... |
| 12:44.10 | CBG | but maybe I'm just not an Obs guy...? lol |
| 12:46.49 | Chestal | ok |
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| 12:58.29 | brlcad | Tupone made that team imbalance change |
| 12:59.00 | brlcad | so that larger teams are preferred over balanced teams |
| 13:00.12 | brlcad | i had it simply put players onto the smallest/weakest team before the change |
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| 13:24.56 | Bagheera | morning all |
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| 13:26.45 | ToughShooter | Hi Bagheera |
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| 13:56.36 | fabianne | is he back??? |
| 13:56.39 | fabianne | and hi |
| 13:57.09 | Grumbler | poor learner |
| 13:57.17 | fabianne | sighs* oh well tell him i was looking for him ;) |
| 13:57.23 | Grumbler | just wait a bit |
| 13:57.23 | fabianne | hm... poor? |
| 13:57.39 | Grumbler | ;) |
| 13:57.58 | jpa- | :E |
| 13:58.15 | fabianne | pooR |
| 13:58.16 | jpa- | brlcad was here about an hour ago :) |
| 13:58.17 | fabianne | haha |
| 13:58.46 | Grumbler | heh, nah |
| 13:58.50 | jpa- | but, he saw -!- fabianne [~moi@1Cust33.tnt9.fft4.deu.da.uu.net] has joined #bzflag and decided to remain silent after that |
| 13:59.00 | fabianne | oh well, maybe Grumbler knows something i dont... :( bye anyways. |
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| 14:04.10 | fabianne | hi again |
| 14:05.53 | jpa- | hello |
| 14:06.00 | jpa- | you seem to leave a lot |
| 14:06.09 | jpa- | are you sure you are not a byeaholic? |
| 14:06.23 | fabianne | no, i just pay for my internet :p |
| 14:06.23 | Grumbler | or hi-aholic |
| 14:06.47 | Grumbler | or money savy...that was my next guess |
| 14:06.55 | jpa- | :D |
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| 14:11.22 | fabianne | ....argl. |
| 14:11.26 | brlcad | argl :) |
| 14:11.52 | fabianne | yes... |
| 14:12.01 | fabianne | oh its you =) <3 <3 |
| 14:12.08 | jpa- | brlcad <3<3 |
| 14:12.26 | jpa- | ewww he's cute! |
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| 14:12.56 | fabianne | hm.. |
| 14:13.27 | Grumbler | ~fishslap jpa- for being evil |
| 14:13.30 | ibot | ACTION slaps jpa- up side the head with a wet fish for being evil |
| 14:14.12 | jpa- | evil? |
| 14:14.15 | jpa- | how? |
| 14:14.33 | jpa- | :/ |
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| 14:15.37 | Mr_Molez_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.44 | fabianne | ... |
| 14:15.59 | Tupone | hi fabianne |
| 14:16.00 | fabianne | now do this : |
| 14:16.11 | fabianne | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.14 | fabianne | haha |
| 14:16.34 | fabianne | hi toni tuponi |
| 14:16.45 | Tupone | why toni ? :) |
| 14:16.51 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.55 | brlcad | oops |
| 14:17.05 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 14:17.22 | fabianne | i did that once with my chan passwd... |
| 14:17.32 | fabianne | not the best day in my life... |
| 14:17.41 | menotume | /msg nickserv identify g7hdg8hejnbd7gjghG6fDD0 |
| 14:17.45 | brlcad | :) |
| 14:17.47 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.54 | menotume | oh crap, there goes my oassword |
| 14:18.06 | menotume | i had just memorized it too |
| 14:18.08 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.47 | trepan | help ghost |
| 14:18.56 | trepan | hehe, oops, bad to sleep... |
| 14:18.57 | jpa- | menotume: i thought your password was ilovejpa |
| 14:19.03 | menotume | shhhhhh |
| 14:19.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: use algorithms instead of loops in autoTeamSelect, should behave same as before, but hopefully cleaner |
| 14:19.48 | brlcad | menotume: prefix to get the / for first char? |
| 14:19.57 | menotume | hehe |
| 14:20.05 | jpa- | :P |
| 14:20.05 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.12 | brlcad | ahh |
| 14:20.18 | jpa- | yup |
| 14:20.23 | fabianne | ^ws |
| 14:20.26 | brlcad | /nick menotume |
| 14:20.30 | brlcad | coo |
| 14:20.53 | menotume | :) |
| 14:21.15 | jpa- | now if i had @, i'd do /kick brlcad and say "ooops, i forgot the /msg part" :P |
| 14:21.16 | Grumbler | gah, had to check |
| 14:21.36 | Tupone | also >> //ns identity tuponi |
| 14:21.38 | Chestal | a-z: schaust du Kontroll? Wann? |
| 14:21.40 | Grumbler | and here i thought brlcad knew everything |
| 14:21.42 | Chestal | oopsa |
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| 14:22.09 | Tupone | A couple of "/" work too, I meant |
| 14:22.16 | jpa- | Grumbler: and now menotume told him the last thing he didn't know! |
| 14:22.25 | jpa- | Tupone: and /say /plah too |
| 14:22.29 | jpa- | /testing |
| 14:22.29 | menotume | lol, Tupone's is easier |
| 14:22.33 | Tupone | hehe |
| 14:22.49 | jpa- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.53 | brlcad | me either |
| 14:23.02 | Tupone | xchat ? |
| 14:23.03 | menotume | /works for me |
| 14:23.10 | brlcad | irssi thinks it's a command called / |
| 14:23.18 | Tupone | /lol |
| 14:23.19 | menotume | :) |
| 14:23.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:23.47 | jpa- | brlcad: ah, irssi user <3<3 |
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| 14:24.38 | menotume | /kick Death-Barrel |
| 14:25.58 | menotume | yay, Donkey-Kong |
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| 14:27.23 | jpa- | while i'm a bit afraid if those ladders are strong enough to support brlcad |
| 14:34.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: typo |
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| 14:47.55 | Mr_Molez | ducati is down |
| 14:50.08 | Grumbler | the screen is blank |
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| 14:50.26 | ToughShooter | Hi kahcpb |
| 14:51.05 | ToughShooter | hmm |
| 14:53.07 | brlcad | save ducati! |
| 14:53.44 | Mr_Molez | yay ducati |
| 14:56.37 | ToughShooter | I remember I used to be bad at ducati |
| 14:57.04 | ToughShooter | but it's a great training place |
| 14:57.27 | Pimpi | nobody's bad at ducati, you might lack practice though... |
| 14:57.47 | Tupone | Haven't seen me :) |
| 14:57.50 | Mr_Molez | isnt that the same thing ? |
| 14:58.01 | Mr_Molez | just put more politely ? |
| 14:59.27 | ToughShooter | I can't imagine that there's somebody out there that plays more bzflag than me |
| 14:59.57 | BearPerson | Ducati was the one server that has its own entry in the wiki, wasn't it? |
| 15:00.42 | Pimpi | it has? |
| 15:00.43 | ToughShooter | ~wiki |
| 15:00.54 | Pimpi | well, it's a wiki... |
| 15:01.30 | ToughShooter | I wanted to look up if someone defined it, like ~n |
| 15:02.21 | BearPerson | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/DucatiStyle <<ahh, just servers like it |
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| 15:03.00 | Pimpi | ibot: wiki is at http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ |
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| 15:03.14 | Pimpi | ibot: wiki is http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ |
| 15:03.47 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, hi! |
| 15:03.57 | Pimpi | hi _Manu_ :) |
| 15:04.18 | Pimpi | seems wiki is already used |
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| 15:20.28 | bz9456 | ~bzfquery wiz.servegame.com |
| 15:21.12 | bz9456 | ~bzfquery wiz.servegame.com:5255 |
| 15:27.50 | BearPerson | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org |
| 15:39.55 | ruskie | :( |
| 15:41.02 | _Manu_ | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 15:41.11 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, k |
| 15:41.24 | BearPerson | ah, thx |
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| 15:59.31 | Tupone | GvzEvxre: -W shadow break compilation on 3.3.5 Perhaps I'm wrong but shadow check seems to confuse method and attribute |
| 15:59.40 | Tupone | I have to remove -Wshadow |
| 16:16.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/Singleton.h: don't shadow the pInstance() method |
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| 16:18.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:19.26 | trepan | to get all the shadow stuff but src/bzflag is about a 90k patch ;) |
| 16:20.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (include/Language.h src/common/Language.cxx): don't shadow the number(), iso2(), and iso3() methods |
| 16:20.56 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:22.27 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 16:26.17 | Mr_Molez | hint hint |
| 16:27.06 | BearPerson | ducati still down? |
| 16:27.09 | Mr_Molez | yep :( |
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| 16:29.59 | BearPerson | what skill level is ducati btw? |
| 16:30.06 | Mr_Molez | level ? |
| 16:30.09 | Mr_Molez | all |
| 16:30.57 | Mr_Molez | from the hopeless to the uber l33t players hehehe |
| 16:31.03 | BearPerson | I'm just wondering if I would get slaughtered upon appearing ;-) |
| 16:31.12 | BearPerson | don't use that foul language ;-) |
| 16:31.49 | Mr_Molez | :o |
| 16:32.20 | BearPerson | okay, I'm not going to start a cracker-vs-hacker discussion ;-) |
| 16:32.26 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 16:32.44 | Mr_Molez | aww |
| 16:32.47 | orange | I've written some code to change how the scoreboard works... it works, and I want to be able to toggle back and forth between that and the normal scoreboard behavior, probably using a mapped key... would I use a mapped key to change a bzdb value and just look at that? |
| 16:32.58 | orange | and if not, what is the best method, and if so, is there an example I can look at :-) |
| 16:40.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/bz_Locale.cxx: unShadowing |
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| 16:53.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/game/ (MsgStrings.cxx PlayerInfo.cxx ServerList.cxx): unShadowing |
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| 17:25.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: avoid dividing by zero. patch from orange. |
| 17:27.32 | orange | DTRemenak: want to look at another one? It's only partially complete, but I may have reached my limit of being able to do it 'right' |
| 17:27.42 | DTRemenak | heh, sure :) |
| 17:29.07 | orange | I'll package it up |
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| 17:32.06 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I looked around for inlines with statics in the model tool project but I could not find any, when you have a chance one day can you try to build it for the mac? I think it should build. |
| 17:32.34 | brlcad | i took a stab at it a couple weeks back too and couldn't quickly find it either |
| 17:32.51 | JeffM2501 | the only inlines I saw were in the text utils |
| 17:32.54 | brlcad | there's definitely "something".. and I narrowed it down to the routine |
| 17:33.12 | brlcad | it had to do with passing std::string references around |
| 17:33.13 | JeffM2501 | ooo the eliusive "something" :) |
| 17:33.44 | brlcad | it might be a reference to a std::string reference of a local var that can't be guaranteed |
| 17:34.19 | orange | DTRemenak: this patch is against the anon cvs version from about about 10 hours ago, with the patch for divide-by-zero already applied... it is definitely *not* production ready, because it changes the standard behavior of the scoreboard, but I don't understand all the nuances well enough yet to know how to add code to allow the user to toggle |
| 17:34.24 | orange | http://pastebin.ca/9112 |
| 17:34.44 | orange | I could do it with a bzdb variable |
| 17:34.53 | orange | but I wouldn't know how to let them change that on the fly |
| 17:36.33 | DTRemenak | orange: if we're going to alter scoreboard sorting, I'd like to see it done in a more flexible way, so that it would be easy to add other sorting criteria |
| 17:36.52 | orange | that'd be fantastic |
| 17:37.00 | DTRemenak | it needs an architectural change before that will happen...patches welcome :) |
| 17:37.00 | JeffM2501 | well I'll look for refs then |
| 17:37.36 | orange | well, how about this... right now there can be two sort methods: default (score) and tkratio |
| 17:37.51 | orange | and then I can write code for other methods (wins, slot, callsign) |
| 17:38.05 | orange | but I still don't know how to get that *choice* into the gui |
| 17:38.05 | brlcad | a sorter class that takes a std::vector and row sort criteria would be nice |
| 17:38.10 | DTRemenak | right, but it's scattered all over the methods |
| 17:38.30 | DTRemenak | yeah, like what brlcad said :) |
| 17:38.51 | orange | I doubt you'll get a patch from me on that one :-) |
| 17:38.54 | DTRemenak | the point is to make adding another sorting criterion a one-stop deal...makes debugging way easier too |
| 17:38.59 | orange | not lack of desire |
| 17:39.06 | orange | the changes are in two places: |
| 17:39.15 | orange | one is the qsort, and the other is where it picks the "Winner" to ride with |
| 17:39.20 | brlcad | orange: s/class/function/ ? same idea |
| 17:40.21 | orange | is it that simple? Look at the patch I pasted, brlcad |
| 17:40.32 | orange | I added tankTKRatioCompare |
| 17:40.37 | orange | it's not a straight sort |
| 17:41.27 | DTRemenak | orange: ah...but your patch is not really complete. where in the list does it draw the local tank? |
| 17:41.38 | orange | local tank? |
| 17:41.47 | DTRemenak | grep HUDRenderer.cxx for "drewMyScore" |
| 17:41.53 | DTRemenak | it only sorts remote players |
| 17:42.13 | DTRemenak | then it compares each remote player's score against the local player's to find out where to draw the local player's score |
| 17:42.26 | orange | oh good golly |
| 17:42.29 | DTRemenak | yeah :)_ |
| 17:43.16 | DTRemenak | that's what I mean about needing an architecture change :) |
| 17:43.31 | DTRemenak | all that stuff needs to be in one place |
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| 17:45.41 | orange | the scope of that exceeds orange's current capabilities (mostly time) :-) |
| 17:46.04 | JeffM2501 | so that woudl be orange overflow? ;) |
| 17:46.08 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 17:46.16 | orange | heh, yeah |
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| 17:46.31 | sgk284_ | ping spldart |
| 17:46.32 | DTRemenak | orange: at this point I doubt anyone's going to beat you to it :) |
| 17:46.36 | sgk284_ | or i mean SportChick |
| 17:46.36 | orange | I hear you |
| 17:46.43 | DTRemenak | unless brlcad gets itchy :) |
| 17:47.33 | orange | having little time to *play* bzflag, I like to pop in every once in awhile just to see what's going on, who is playing, etc. |
| 17:47.42 | orange | it's made me much more conscious of things that could really help admins |
| 17:47.49 | brlcad | mm.. i should play this weekend.. |
| 17:47.51 | orange | so that's what I've been messing with |
| 17:48.04 | DTRemenak | yeah. the tk ratio highlighting thing is cool :) |
| 17:48.07 | brlcad | yeah, take your time.. you'd probably get lots of help if you tried to make a sorter class |
| 17:48.15 | brlcad | could probably find something on the web that's 90% done |
| 17:48.35 | brlcad | a generic sorter interface that you could slap stuff into and get back sorted results |
| 17:48.53 | orange | if you happen to apply that patch I made, and only go in as observer (so your score won't get screwed up), you'll find that driving with the "winner" now rides around with the worst tk'er, which is fun :-) |
| 17:48.58 | brlcad | heck the std:: algorithms will do most of it for you, just needs wrapped up to be more dev-friendly |
| 17:49.06 | orange | brlcad: OK, I may ping you on it in a couple weeks after I get some extra time |
| 17:51.23 | Pimpi | algorithms seems to be a source of bugs to me because of different implementations |
| 17:51.56 | brlcad | qsort would be all that's needed here |
| 17:52.04 | brlcad | and if that's buggy I'd be very surprised |
| 17:52.11 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 17:53.11 | sgk284_ | brlcad, i see you've been busy |
| 17:53.17 | Pimpi | i still use gcc 2.95 and had problems regulary |
| 17:53.19 | sgk284_ | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=458215 |
| 17:53.34 | sgk284_ | new release |
| 17:53.58 | brlcad | yep, very busy :) |
| 17:54.37 | Pimpi | oh, and now you have time for bz again? yes?? |
| 17:58.14 | BearPerson | that sorting seems to be actually some cool way to get involved ;-) |
| 17:58.23 | sgk284_ | BearPerson, ? |
| 17:58.54 | BearPerson | well, just idly wondering what I'll do with the idle time I'll have soon |
| 17:59.06 | BearPerson | and hacking 'flag would be an interesting idea |
| 17:59.21 | BearPerson | but I won't look into it now |
| 17:59.31 | sgk284_ | what flag? |
| 17:59.39 | BearPerson | bz-flag |
| 17:59.43 | BearPerson | :) |
| 18:00.08 | BearPerson | plus, I'd always wanted to sort the scoreboard by points/time or something |
| 18:01.01 | BearPerson | since I think the player playing 15 minutes making 20 points is better than the player that has 100 points after 2 hours |
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| 18:02.35 | orange | BearPerson: lots of cool ways it could be sorted... one is kill ratio (kills/deaths) |
| 18:02.41 | orange | that's a good indicator of strength, too |
| 18:02.44 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 18:03.30 | orange | but that thing about rendering your own score later... it sorts the list twice, kinda, and makes it harder for me to hack ;-) |
| 18:03.33 | BearPerson | whee... /me pictures a parser to make custom sort criteria |
| 18:03.51 | orange | if you do, please include one for tkratio |
| 18:04.15 | brlcad | could start with the server list |
| 18:04.28 | orange | also, make sure that when you're observing and riding with the 'top scorer', you're using the same sort |
| 18:04.29 | brlcad | sort by name, ip, ping latency, country, players, etc |
| 18:04.41 | orange | (that's what I'm planning, if I ever get to it :-) |
| 18:05.07 | BearPerson | as I said, include a parser routine |
| 18:05.30 | BearPerson | then you could sort by "K/D-10*TK/TM" |
| 18:06.32 | jpa- | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/pix/bzmaptwist/ |
| 18:06.37 | jpa- | added twist() to bzmap :) |
| 18:07.06 | jpa- | that object is generated in five lines of python |
| 18:10.17 | orange | should post the python source there, too :-) |
| 18:11.44 | sgk284_ | jpa, that a mesh? |
| 18:14.06 | bzflagwiz | . |
| 18:16.08 | sgk284_ | wow enemy territory renders so well on my work computer |
| 18:16.24 | sgk284_ | i'm used to an intel i830 |
| 18:16.53 | sgk284_ | but in here i've got some ati mobo |
| 18:17.15 | sgk284_ | and 1400 x 1050 resolution as opposed to 800x600 |
| 18:17.22 | sgk284_ | but i digress... |
| 18:19.46 | sgk284_ | i presume dmg is like msi or rpm? |
| 18:20.31 | ruskie | I think more like rpm |
| 18:23.38 | brlcad | not really |
| 18:23.43 | brlcad | more like .iso |
| 18:24.07 | brlcad | one that self-mounts, can run scripts, have backgrounds, etc |
| 18:24.10 | Chestal | BearPerson: gcc 3.4? |
| 18:24.12 | brlcad | be encrypted |
| 18:24.16 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 18:24.52 | sgk284_ | an iso does all that? i thought it was just a disc image ;) |
| 18:24.53 | brlcad | a .pkg is more like rpm (which I already finished a script for that) |
| 18:24.54 | Chestal | yes, bz's auto* system should use mtune for gcc >=3 or so instead |
| 18:25.08 | Chestal | but I have no idea what's the proper way to do it |
| 18:25.17 | brlcad | sgk284_: no, a .dmg does all of that .. but is otherwise just like an .iso |
| 18:25.27 | sgk284_ | ahh okay |
| 18:26.06 | jpa- | sgk284_: yes, bzmap generates meshes |
| 18:27.28 | BearPerson | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
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| 18:27.50 | brlcad | ~d |
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| 18:28.05 | BearPerson | okaay... that seems easier |
| 18:28.07 | BearPerson | :) |
| 18:28.11 | brlcad | ;) |
| 18:28.18 | bzflagwiz | ~bzfquery wiz.servegame.com:5255 |
| 18:28.37 | jpa- | orange: source for that object is there :) |
| 18:29.02 | jpa- | orange: while, it needs several thousand lines of bzmap, too :) |
| 18:29.21 | orange | yeah, I assumed there was a wizard behind that curtain |
| 18:29.42 | jpa- | that wizard would be cods :P |
| 18:29.55 | orange | neat stuff |
| 18:30.03 | brlcad | orange: if/when you ever do consider making a sorting class, I'd suggest getting it working stand-alone first .. outside of bz so it's nice and generic |
| 18:30.07 | jpa- | bzmap is neat :) |
| 18:30.26 | orange | brlcad: can't I just use perl? |
| 18:30.43 | brlcad | huh? |
| 18:30.54 | brlcad | depends |
| 18:31.00 | orange | sorry, I mostly work in perl right now... and it's so much easier to do this stuff :-) |
| 18:31.15 | brlcad | do you use perl objects? |
| 18:31.20 | orange | sometimes |
| 18:31.37 | brlcad | if you can write it using perl objects with proper encapsulation, it should be pretty trivial to convert it to C++ |
| 18:31.59 | orange | interesting idea |
| 18:32.26 | brlcad | the only thing in perl that's a pita to convert is string conversions, which you're not really doing any of |
| 18:32.34 | brlcad | conversions/comparisons/etd |
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| 18:32.50 | orange | hmm, and lists are much easier to handle in perl |
| 18:33.15 | brlcad | naw, that's just familiarity ;) .. a std::vector is pretty simple to manage |
| 18:33.44 | Grumbler | jpa-, i got some feedback on your sniper server...... "It was totally different and cool".................you have hit the over 40 age group, whether that is a good thing or not, i am not sure. |
| 18:35.54 | jpa- | Grumbler: i'm sad to hear that :( |
| 18:35.56 | orange | brlcad: guess I better do some reading... sounds interesting |
| 18:36.12 | Chestal | I get lots of shadow warnings in AccesscontrolList.cxx, obviously related to the htons functions |
| 18:36.14 | jpa- | as i didn't make the map or decide the settings - i mostly admin and host it only |
| 18:36.45 | brlcad | orange: do it in perl first if you like with or without objects :) then we can refactor later |
| 18:36.47 | Grumbler | jpa-< well then, pass it onto the idea originator....... |
| 18:37.21 | jpa- | Grumbler: i will :) |
| 18:37.38 | Grumbler | ~jpa-++ |
| 18:38.04 | jpa- | he didn't have more than a 256K adsl he was hosting it behind :/ |
| 18:38.30 | jpa- | it felt complete waste of a good map, so i offered to host it :) |
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| 19:20.45 | SportChick | I found someone else who has the same jitter problems as me. He is also on win XP. I asked him to email all his config info so we could compare them. |
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| 19:25.13 | jpa- | SportChick: nice :) |
| 19:25.37 | Noodleman | miso miso miso miso |
| 19:26.36 | jpa- | nooooodless <3 |
| 19:26.52 | Tupone | looking for a cat in irc ? |
| 19:27.08 | brlcad | miso soup |
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| 19:35.10 | DTRemenak | yup, soup |
| 19:35.57 | jpa- | .. the soup |
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| 19:36.30 | brlcad | tupone is on a roll |
| 19:36.31 | DTRemenak | Tupone's busy today :) |
| 19:36.36 | Tupone | :( |
| 19:36.37 | DTRemenak | hey, you type faster than I do! |
| 19:36.40 | brlcad | gmta :) |
| 19:36.53 | Tupone | I wanted to compile my things, and get all these warnings |
| 19:36.53 | jpa- | Tupone: why not just turn off shadows in the display options? ,) |
| 19:37.06 | DTRemenak | ~lart jpa- |
| 19:37.47 | brlcad | heh |
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| 19:45.34 | Grumbler | ...at least with bzflag |
| 19:46.20 | Grumbler | .....running with non-windows firewall |
| 19:55.39 | jpa- | wish me good night! |
| 19:55.53 | BearPerson | orange, can't you just assign some generic integer/float "scoreboard score" value to every tank and sort that? |
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| 19:56.22 | BearPerson | the scoreboard value being adjusted every whim/second/death/whatever |
| 19:56.39 | BearPerson | that seems like the easiest solution to me |
| 19:58.42 | orange | BearPerson: possibly, but it needs to be done in a generic way (if you want your patch accepted :-) |
| 19:58.55 | orange | so that it's flexible enough to add new ways to assign that value |
| 19:58.59 | orange | when new sorting methods are thought up |
| 19:59.20 | BearPerson | well, all the sorting methods would do is change the way that scoreboard value is calculated |
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| 20:00.05 | BearPerson | I suppose the individual scores of the tank are easily accessible |
| 20:00.35 | BearPerson | then all you'd have to redo is tank::calculate_ranking (or whatever, I'm not good at C++) |
| 20:00.59 | orange | DTRemenak: by the way, the stuff I did in Player.cxx and Player.h should still be fine to patch in... and then use in the tk highlight in a cleaner, more generic way |
| 20:01.11 | orange | BearPerson: yes, the scores are trivially accessible |
| 20:01.18 | BearPerson | it'd be "return this.kills - this.deaths;" for the current version |
| 20:01.51 | BearPerson | or something along those lines |
| 20:02.34 | BearPerson | then you'd just have to replace the old hard-coded stuff with that score where the sorting is done |
| 20:02.59 | BearPerson | no need to muck in the sorting code unless you want binary tree sort instead of quicksort ;-) |
| 20:03.08 | orange | that whole section needs to be reworked to make this work though |
| 20:03.20 | orange | all of HUDRenderer::renderScoreboard |
| 20:04.13 | orange | because that stuff where you render your own score separately, that's sorted in a different hardcoded way |
| 20:08.02 | orange | DTRemenak: http://pastebin.ca/9126 |
| 20:08.05 | BearPerson | looks from brief inspection that RemotePlayer::getScore needs adjusted... but I'm just browsing source and not far yet |
| 20:08.47 | orange | well, you could replace that call |
| 20:09.06 | orange | with something like getSortableScore |
| 20:09.14 | orange | and then make that function honor whatever the sort setting is |
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| 20:10.19 | BearPerson | for really complicated sorts that function could even cache its return value and only recalculate every 10 calls (just a thought) |
| 20:10.20 | orange | that would be a good baby step, because you would barely have to change HUDRenderer.cxx at all... all the 'my score' and 'your score' stuff goes away |
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| 20:10.45 | orange | well, it doesn't go away, but it doesn't have to be changed |
| 20:11.22 | BearPerson | yeah, that's my thought |
| 20:11.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (client/VC71/client.vcproj common/VC71/common.vcproj): add curl support for list serverness and non blocking URL manager |
| 20:11.37 | orange | good idea... baby steps are (in my opinion) nice :-) |
| 20:11.39 | BearPerson | it seems to be Player::getScore though... |
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| 20:11.47 | BearPerson | never change a running system ;-) |
| 20:11.50 | orange | getScore has specific meaning... don't change that one |
| 20:11.55 | BearPerson | if it has an interface, use it :) |
| 20:12.31 | orange | the value of getScore is one possible sort value... so is getTKRatio (if DTRemenak takes that latest patch :-) |
| 20:13.07 | Grumbler | grrrr, windows |
| 20:13.10 | orange | and getWins, getLosses, getTeamKills, etc. |
| 20:13.26 | BearPerson | yeah. and getSortableScore would just return one of them |
| 20:13.38 | BearPerson | or calculate something entirely different |
| 20:13.41 | orange | one of them, appropriately massaged if needed |
| 20:13.48 | orange | some are ints, some floats, etc. |
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| 20:14.02 | orange | and yeah, it could return a score based on a combination of two |
| 20:15.32 | BearPerson | never rewrite something until it is old, moldy and doesn't work ;-) |
| 20:15.57 | BearPerson | weird... haven't found yet where getScore() is defined at all... |
| 20:17.09 | BearPerson | ahh. functions in a .h file... I guess inlines have to be |
| 20:17.37 | BearPerson | you don't have a stats field yet for time in game? |
| 20:18.08 | BearPerson | since that would be interesting too for some sort ideas |
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| 20:37.05 | DTRemenak | ~orange++ |
| 20:37.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx Player.cxx Player.h): add player::getTKRatio utility function and use it for tkratio highlighting. patch from orange. |
| 20:37.22 | orange | thanks DTRemenak :-) |
| 20:37.28 | orange | ~dtremenak++ |
| 20:37.34 | orange | (for fixing it in HUDRenderer too :-) |
| 20:37.46 | DTRemenak | :) |
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| 20:38.21 | fabianne | hm... |
| 20:39.37 | Tupone | mmmhhhh |
| 20:39.44 | fabianne | si |
| 20:39.55 | fabianne | piove |
| 20:40.02 | Tupone | dove? |
| 20:40.17 | fabianne | no |
| 20:40.29 | fabianne | jovanotti |
| 20:40.36 | Tupone | lol |
| 20:40.50 | fabianne | he has a song call *piove* |
| 20:41.32 | fabianne | where is he? |
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| 20:41.38 | fabianne | not jovanotti... |
| 20:41.42 | Tupone | I donno now |
| 20:41.45 | Tupone | ahh |
| 20:41.59 | Tupone | is hiding here |
| 20:42.15 | Grumbler | the boy needs a bell around his neck |
| 20:42.28 | JeffM2501 | isnt' that what lojac is for? |
| 20:42.29 | CBG | hi all ;) |
| 20:42.53 | fabianne | damm i see him now, my xchat always shows me from the one under him, as he is the first one in the ppl list... |
| 20:43.21 | Grumbler | we could lojac him.....but where to put that 12v battery |
| 20:43.28 | JeffM2501 | we call him the "topmost" |
| 20:44.04 | fabianne | he might think im sstalking him :( |
| 20:44.17 | Grumbler | he needs to be stalked |
| 20:44.27 | JeffM2501 | some guys pay for that |
| 20:44.32 | fabianne | you see to know a lot about him.. |
| 20:44.39 | fabianne | see/seem |
| 20:44.45 | Grumbler | nope |
| 20:44.51 | JeffM2501 | I've actualy meet him |
| 20:44.55 | JeffM2501 | in the real life |
| 20:44.58 | fabianne | and? |
| 20:45.04 | JeffM2501 | we had beer and raw fish |
| 20:45.14 | fabianne | eeew |
| 20:45.18 | CBG | who needs to be stalked? |
| 20:45.18 | fabianne | beer ewww haha |
| 20:45.20 | fabianne | jk |
| 20:45.29 | JeffM2501 | some good eating :) |
| 20:45.29 | fabianne | sean aparently... |
| 20:45.49 | orange | not sean, the raw fish |
| 20:45.57 | Grumbler | you ate sean |
| 20:46.03 | fabianne | i havent |
| 20:46.16 | Grumbler | ...that would explain why we havent seen him lately |
| 20:46.16 | orange | this can't be a good direction |
| 20:46.19 | fabianne | sean ate the orange with the raw fish? |
| 20:46.34 | orange | orange roughy |
| 20:46.48 | fabianne | so who ate sean? |
| 20:46.54 | Grumbler | the fish? |
| 20:46.54 | orange | this can't be a good direction |
| 20:47.16 | orange | the object modeler ate sean, I think |
| 20:47.16 | Grumbler | must have been some BIG sushi |
| 20:47.20 | fabianne | orange: so what direction did the fish go to? |
| 20:47.31 | orange | fabianne: clear waters |
| 20:47.58 | Grumbler | good luck trying to find those in the pollution environment of the 21st century |
| 20:48.12 | orange | it's no problem, just toss in some chlorine ;-) |
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| 20:48.39 | Grumbler | hey, i could wash my white socks in the bay then |
| 20:48.42 | fabianne | im cold. |
| 20:48.53 | orange | with half the people here looking for shadows, it's bound to be a weird day |
| 20:49.31 | Grumbler | babylon 5 day |
| 20:50.17 | fabianne | so what dress shall i wear for my date? |
| 20:50.29 | JeffM2501 | the red one |
| 20:50.35 | Grumbler | depends, what are you looking for? |
| 20:50.40 | fabianne | the black one? the one with a pink dress inside and a transparents outside? |
| 20:50.48 | fabianne | i dont have a red one... |
| 20:50.52 | JeffM2501 | you don't? |
| 20:50.57 | fabianne | welll.. |
| 20:50.57 | JeffM2501 | well that's a shame |
| 20:51.03 | fabianne | its not a dress .. |
| 20:51.09 | JeffM2501 | red dress are allways so very prety |
| 20:51.17 | fabianne | its a dark red tranparent.... |
| 20:51.27 | fabianne | so its for after *Date* |
| 20:51.29 | fabianne | haha |
| 20:51.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:51.42 | fabianne | i like the black one.. |
| 20:51.45 | Grumbler | well if its between the black and the transparent, i would go with choice three |
| 20:51.48 | fabianne | with the red small sweater |
| 20:52.14 | fabianne | do you think he will like it? |
| 20:52.24 | Grumbler | dont know him. cant say. |
| 20:52.37 | fabianne | i have a red top with a red skirt... |
| 20:52.43 | fabianne | but i dont think its as pretty as the black one |
| 20:52.44 | menotume | is it groundhog day again? Looking for shadows ? |
| 20:53.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/ (OSFile.cxx WordFilter.cxx): shadows |
| 20:53.04 | Grumbler | go black then. |
| 20:53.29 | Grumbler | just fmi, who added all the shadows? |
| 20:53.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (3 files): shadows |
| 20:53.48 | Grumbler | where is the dark master |
| 20:53.48 | trepan | TimRiker: i'm thinking that you might have contributed a couple of fixes yourself... |
| 20:54.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/WallObstacle.cxx: shadows |
| 20:54.59 | BearPerson | hmm. This is going to be interesting |
| 20:55.24 | BearPerson | orange, I just tried to add the first part of the stats patch, the custom score function |
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| 20:55.35 | RPG_ | hi |
| 20:55.40 | fabianne | no |
| 20:56.04 | RPG_ | is there a BZAdmin client that runs on PPHP? |
| 20:56.14 | TimRiker | trepan: meaning that I should? or that the unshadowing has actually fixed a few bugs? |
| 20:56.33 | TimRiker | I was meaning to start on them myself, but got caught up in work stuff again. |
| 20:56.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ogl/ (OpenGLLight.cxx OpenGLTexture.cxx): shadows |
| 20:56.49 | trepan | uhhuh |
| 20:56.56 | TimRiker | I think all the ones I was looking at originally have been fixed now. =) |
| 20:57.15 | TimRiker | you'll note I added a bunch of other warhings in a comment that might show other bugs. |
| 20:58.02 | TimRiker | some of them are a bit extreme like never using == or != for floats. nice in principle, but not always the best design. |
| 20:58.23 | TimRiker | I figured I'd start with the shadows as I could not think of any real reason to keep any of them. |
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| 21:00.30 | Tupone | TimRiker: I personally don't like how shadowing is interpreted by gcc. In my mind I don't see any conflict between a private attribute and a local variable in a inherited class :/ |
| 21:02.14 | Tupone | conflict -> shadowing |
| 21:09.47 | BearPerson | orange, around? |
| 21:10.53 | Chestal | TimRker: some of the shadow warnings seem to be about macro stuff in the system header files :-| |
| 21:11.31 | orange | BearPerson: yes |
| 21:12.03 | BearPerson | ah. You want to take a look at what I wrote as first step of custom scoreboard sorting? |
| 21:12.20 | BearPerson | It still needs the options-controlled stuff coded in, but it works |
| 21:12.31 | orange | cool, yeah, I'd like to see it |
| 21:13.03 | orange | pastebin.ca ? |
| 21:16.03 | BearPerson | http://pastebin.ca/9134 |
| 21:16.31 | BearPerson | I did kills/deaths sort as an example |
| 21:17.09 | BearPerson | looks a little confusing (especially with the regular kills-deaths score displayed on the scoreboard), but in observer at least it worked |
| 21:17.43 | orange | heh, it won't work if you're playing, I bet, but it seems a decent direction |
| 21:17.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/ (3D/FontManager.cxx bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx): |
| 21:17.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Fix HUD alert and status dimming so bright text no longer shows through to the menus. |
| 21:17.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Fix FontManager's recognition of Dim+Underline. |
| 21:18.11 | BearPerson | I'll go test that then :) |
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| 21:25.27 | BearPerson | yeah, own score doesn't work yet |
| 21:28.03 | bzflagwiz | TimRiker: ping |
| 21:28.35 | BearPerson | where's the player getting spectated calculated? |
| 21:30.04 | BearPerson | playing.cxx it seems. patch ought to be complete now then |
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| 21:39.04 | BearPerson | orange, update is at http://pastebin.ca/9136 |
| 21:39.29 | BearPerson | now with own score sorted correctly and spectator "winner" right (this time on TK for testing) |
| 21:42.30 | BearPerson | (except for the fact that the scoreboard still uses the old Score function for points |
| 21:42.32 | BearPerson | ) |
| 21:43.48 | bzflagwiz | TimRiker: Hoping to get your thoughts on a patch I'd like to submit |
| 21:45.42 | bzflagwiz | it implements a new playing style (selectable via a server switch) that implicitly gives all tanks the wings flag |
| 21:45.51 | Tupone | :( |
| 21:47.07 | bzflagwiz | And I don't *think* wings will be stripped from the next version |
| 21:47.34 | bzflagwiz | so why not make them better :) - and relegate them to maps truly designed for wings |
| 21:47.38 | Tupone | I 'm not going to fix any wings related problem :) |
| 21:48.19 | bzflagwiz | this is similar to -j that gives tanks an implicit jumping flag, but only with wings |
| 21:48.49 | DTRemenak | bzflagwiz: that can't be added until protocol is broken. otherwise old clients are at a disadvantage. |
| 21:49.39 | bzflagwiz | I can understand that, although both CAN play on same server... |
| 21:49.51 | bzflagwiz | but at a disadvantage, as you say |
| 21:50.33 | DTRemenak | once protocol gets broken, I'm pretty sure a patch like that would be accepted (just not by Tupone ;) ) |
| 21:50.58 | bzflagwiz | I know it's early, but any idea when work on 2.1/2.2 begins ;) |
| 21:51.22 | DTRemenak | when Tim decides it's time, a 2.1 branch will be created |
| 21:51.39 | DTRemenak | or more properly, a 2.0 branch will be created and 2.1 will get HEAD |
| 21:52.50 | bzflagwiz | I should mention that my patch only *bends* protocol, since patched tanks can't fly unless on a patched server that has the option enabled... |
| 21:53.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:54.25 | bzflagwiz | I could even change it to allow wings flags to exist, so existing 2.0.x clients could pick up a flag to fly... |
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| 22:04.37 | TimRiker | next time we do a protocol break, we'll likely add this mis-feature by popular demand. |
| 22:06.38 | sgk284 | heh |
| 22:06.53 | bzflagwiz | TimRiker: would you guess next protocol break is closer to 6, 12 or more months away? |
| 22:07.11 | Tupone | more :) |
| 22:07.24 | bzflagwiz | probably still catching breath from 2.0.x :) |
| 22:08.18 | BearPerson | hmm. Any of you guys interested in pulling my little patch in? |
| 22:08.40 | bzflagwiz | as long as it doesn't involve wings, they might :) |
| 22:08.45 | sgk284 | BearPerson, what is it? |
| 22:08.45 | BearPerson | (custom scoreboard sorting, first step - custom score function) |
| 22:08.50 | Tupone | well, I'm in the middle of changing about 50 files, so sorry |
| 22:08.52 | sgk284 | and is it posted on sf.net? |
| 22:09.09 | sgk284 | how do you change the sort order? |
| 22:09.12 | BearPerson | hooked into scoreboard, scoreboard scores, spectator choice |
| 22:09.20 | BearPerson | I changed the score function that gets called |
| 22:09.29 | sgk284 | i mean what keys so i can test it |
| 22:09.45 | sgk284 | or is it a menu option? |
| 22:09.46 | BearPerson | I don't think I have access to sf.net |
| 22:09.57 | BearPerson | no option yet because I don't know how to do them |
| 22:10.10 | sgk284 | it would probably be best as a menu option imho |
| 22:10.20 | BearPerson | but you'll just have to add them in the custom score function, doesn't seem too hard to me |
| 22:10.23 | sgk284 | they're easy enough to add, just look at another example |
| 22:10.45 | sgk284 | well if there is no menu option, how do you change the order? |
| 22:10.47 | BearPerson | anything straight-forward come to mind? |
| 22:10.53 | BearPerson | currently, in the source |
| 22:11.06 | BearPerson | but this actually makes that bit of code pretty easy |
| 22:11.54 | bzflagwiz | ~bzfquery wiz.servegame.com:5255 |
| 22:11.56 | sgk284 | if you want you can send the patch to sgk284@gmail.com, but as the patch is there is no way it'll be committed, if i get time before you do and find that its worth it, i |
| 22:12.04 | sgk284 | i'll throw together a menu option for it |
| 22:12.08 | sgk284 | and email you back |
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| 22:12.57 | sgk284 | weren't you talking to DTRemenak about this earlier? |
| 22:13.04 | sgk284 | just curious what he had to say |
| 22:13.10 | BearPerson | to orange actually |
| 22:13.57 | BearPerson | he was talking to DTRemenak about something like this (a little less general I think) |
| 22:14.18 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 22:14.27 | sgk284 | oh yea, dtr applied the highlighting patch |
| 22:14.30 | TimRiker | bzflagwiz: probably 6 or less. Looking for projects that need to break protocol that everyone wants. |
| 22:14.53 | sgk284 | on a side note, the stuff you can do with ODE is nuts... or maybe i'm just a geek |
| 22:14.59 | sgk284 | ODE being open dynamics engine |
| 22:15.10 | bzflagwiz | TimRiker - cool, I'll try to keep it up to date then :) |
| 22:15.17 | sgk284 | heh you just like places objects around in a world and away they go |
| 22:15.45 | TimRiker | bzflagwiz: =) |
| 22:16.01 | bzflagwiz | Tupone: any more features you hate, I need to come up with more features in the next 6 months! |
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| 22:16.23 | Tupone | good luck :) |
| 22:18.35 | BearPerson | sgk284, mail or pastebin? |
| 22:18.45 | sgk284 | grr... time to go buy more ram, 32 megs on my server isnt cutting it anymore |
| 22:18.54 | sgk284 | BearPerson, whatever is more convenient for you |
| 22:19.30 | Chestal | sgk284: heh, even mine has 40 :-) |
| 22:19.43 | sgk284 | heh |
| 22:20.13 | sgk284 | its a mini itx board, what a lovely little creation :) |
| 22:20.18 | sgk284 | think it supports up to a gig |
| 22:20.24 | sgk284 | so i'll probably get 512 |
| 22:20.38 | sgk284 | ram is dirt cheap now a days :) |
| 22:21.18 | BearPerson | http://pastebin.ca/9145 |
| 22:21.36 | BearPerson | actually a pretty small patch |
| 22:23.40 | sgk284 | hrm... |
| 22:24.01 | BearPerson | that's against the CVS version of 3-4 hours ago I think |
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| 22:24.50 | sgk284 | a few things about... do you have an email address? i have to go right now but would like to address |
| 22:24.51 | sgk284 | them |
| 22:24.59 | BearPerson | sure. |
| 22:25.02 | uso_w | hi |
| 22:25.58 | uso_w | can i use /localset to enable/disable mousegrab? |
| 22:27.24 | uso_w | and is there a reason why localset is only enabled if i compile bzflag with DEBUG? |
| 22:33.50 | trepan | it's an undocumented dev. feature |
| 22:35.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (20 files): unShadowing |
| 22:37.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (21 files): unShadowing |
| 22:39.03 | uso_w | so there is no disadvantage to enable /localset (without enabling DEBUG in general)? |
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| 23:02.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (Downloads.cxx playing.cxx): unShadowing |
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| 23:18.43 | IsoosI | my client was working fine a minute ago, then segfaulted. now when I restart it it locks up after displaying the window, but before it writes anything on it (eg, the menu). I've tried deleting the cache and the config file and still no go |
| 23:19.16 | IsoosI | I have the sneaking suspicion it's somehow buggered up my gl environment, as running neverball now exhibits the same behaviour |
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| 23:23.20 | uso_w | IsoosI: are you using a ati drivers? bzflag kills my driver too if it ever hangs on a server connect |
| 23:23.26 | uso_w | only reboot helps |
| 23:23.46 | uso_w | for exactly one restart :( |
| 23:23.58 | IsoosI | I'm using the opensource ati drivers |
| 23:24.03 | IsoosI | and yeah that sounds like it |
| 23:24.16 | IsoosI | bzflag is the only program I've found that does it |
| 23:24.50 | uso_w | oh, these are a bit more stable for me |
| 23:25.01 | uso_w | but unfortunatly also slower |
| 23:25.21 | IsoosI | I'm not a speed freak |
| 23:25.25 | uso_w | nevertheless i was forced to switchback to it |
| 23:25.57 | uso_w | are you also have removed the cached serverlist? |
| 23:26.16 | IsoosI | yes |
| 23:26.24 | IsoosI | (well, if thats what was in ~/.bzflag-cache |
| 23:27.12 | BearPerson | for some reason my CVS build doesn't find the data directory... where is it set? |
| 23:27.19 | IsoosI | restarting X doesn't fix it? |
| 23:27.29 | uso_w | IsoosI: no |
| 23:27.33 | IsoosI | bugger |
| 23:27.36 | uso_w | at least not for me |
| 23:27.43 | BearPerson | ah, nm, found it |
| 23:27.48 | IsoosI | oh well |
| 23:28.00 | IsoosI | next time I'll get it to dump core |
| 23:28.03 | IsoosI | so I can see why it crashed |
| 23:28.16 | IsoosI | and perhaps if I can stop it crashing I can stop it screwing up my video card :) |
| 23:28.23 | uso_w | you can try to disable server cache, this seems to reduce hangs for me |
| 23:28.42 | IsoosI | hmm |
| 23:28.43 | IsoosI | ok |
| 23:29.05 | uso_w | IsoosI: i have tried to debug it, it hangs even inside the debugger :( |
| 23:29.15 | IsoosI | hmm |
| 23:29.22 | IsoosI | oh I got further than that |
| 23:29.29 | IsoosI | there are 3 threads |
| 23:29.35 | IsoosI | the first one's running, the other two are blocking |
| 23:29.45 | IsoosI | kill either of the other two threads and the first thread continues |
| 23:29.58 | IsoosI | then realises that the other two threads aren't there anymore and exits |
| 23:30.46 | IsoosI | however it seems to have buggered up all gl programs |
| 23:30.50 | uso_w | if it cleanly exits your video drivers are probably save |
| 23:30.59 | IsoosI | so I suspect that it's not its fault at that point |
| 23:31.12 | IsoosI | I was just playing around and it segfaulted the first time |
| 23:31.20 | IsoosI | which is what obviously left the videocard in a bad state |
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| 23:31.58 | IsoosI | maybe I should add a sigsegv handler that cleans up the opengl stuff |
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| 23:32.30 | uso_w | i always had to kill it with -9, which leaves the video driver in bad state |
| 23:33.12 | IsoosI | the first time it ran it segv'd |
| 23:33.16 | MeBigFatGuy | 'shadows' is probably not the best comment for OpenGLLights.cxx |
| 23:33.19 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 23:33.21 | IsoosI | which presumably left the card in abad state |
| 23:33.41 | BearPerson | hmm. true |
| 23:33.45 | IsoosI | all other runs after that hang, presumably because the video card is still in a bad state, but by that point it's too late |
| 23:34.46 | uso_w | yeah, putting back the video card in a defined state would be a good idea |
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| 23:39.16 | sgk284 | ps -e |
| 23:39.16 | sgk284 | ww |
| 23:39.22 | BearPerson | wb sgk284 |
| 23:40.04 | sgk284 | :) |
| 23:40.24 | sgk284 | my machine has been lagging like crazy... i think (i'm hoping) its just bzflag |
| 23:40.59 | sgk284 | i thought maybe my machine was rooted cause its network behavior has been unusual, but a 24 hour capture of packets revealed nothing of the sort |
| 23:41.10 | sgk284 | looks like i'm getting a dose of sportchick's problems |
| 23:41.23 | sgk284 | but it started recently :/ |
| 23:41.24 | DTRemenak | hey, so maybe you can fix them! :) |
| 23:41.30 | sgk284 | i hope so |
| 23:41.33 | sgk284 | :) |
| 23:41.39 | DTRemenak | 'cause that would be cool :) |
| 23:41.51 | sgk284 | that'd be super cool:) |
| 23:42.14 | sgk284 | but alas... i must go enjoy my friday night and be a typical stupid college kid ;) |
| 23:42.21 | sgk284 | see ya |
| 23:42.49 | bzflagwiz_ | party on wayne |
| 23:43.04 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 23:43.06 | DTRemenak | c'ya |
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| 23:56.17 | zratchet | hello |
| 23:56.40 | zratchet | any project admins here? anyone in Austin TX area? |
| 23:57.44 | BearPerson | you sure you need a project admin? |
| 23:58.28 | zratchet | well |
| 23:58.32 | zratchet | dev at least |
| 23:58.38 | BearPerson | what for? |
| 23:58.41 | zratchet | oh |
| 23:58.58 | zratchet | I'm working on an Independent/OSS Game Conference in Austin |
| 23:59.14 | BearPerson | that sounds cool |
| 23:59.27 | zratchet | and want to bring some open source/indie games to play (Lan party too) ;) |
| 23:59.41 | zratchet | so, just was wondering if any bzflag devs would want to come |