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| 00:11.04 | Legoguy | :O what happened to ./configure :| |
| 00:12.47 | Legoguy | oh wait. heh |
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| 00:35.47 | spldart | Wow.. Took an hour to get connected that time :( |
| 00:36.41 | wegstar | eek |
| 00:37.00 | wegstar | "banned from IRC" problems again? |
| 00:37.35 | spldart | yeah |
| 00:37.49 | spldart | It kept saying banned cuz of proxy server again. |
| 00:38.03 | spldart | how can I contact somebody about this problem? |
| 00:38.25 | spldart | is there a freenode.net server channel? |
| 00:38.42 | brad2901 | #freenode :) |
| 00:38.47 | spldart | sweet |
| 00:39.03 | wegstar | yeah.. all the cops hang out there... |
| 00:39.11 | spldart | coolies |
| 00:39.36 | wegstar | '/who *.staff.freenode' |
| 00:39.39 | wegstar | to find a staffer |
| 00:40.44 | wegstar | hmm.. |
| 00:40.55 | spldart | what does "#freenode :The channel demigods have stolen your voice" mean? |
| 00:41.03 | wegstar | err.. |
| 00:41.06 | wegstar | you msg ne of them |
| 00:41.07 | brad2901 | /msg an op for voice |
| 00:41.13 | wegstar | or wait.. :) |
| 00:44.33 | spldart | what is /msg op for voice? |
| 00:45.03 | brad2901 | if there is an op in the channel, private message him/her and ask for voice |
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| 00:45.20 | wegstar | to find one scroll up :) |
| 00:45.54 | wegstar | and see what I had said ealier :) |
| 00:45.55 | spldart | scroll up the user list I assume... But how do I know an op? |
| 00:46.04 | brad2901 | what client are you in? |
| 00:46.26 | spldart | visual irc 2.0 |
| 00:46.51 | wegstar | the list that appears are all the staffers.. |
| 00:46.55 | brad2901 | they should have '@' next to there name |
| 00:47.03 | wegstar | no... |
| 00:47.06 | wegstar | there are no ops |
| 00:47.10 | wegstar | they're staffers... |
| 00:47.26 | wegstar | : |
| 00:47.29 | wegstar | :) |
| 00:47.51 | spldart | Am I hosed? |
| 00:47.56 | wegstar | ? |
| 00:52.25 | spldart | Yeah.. Somebody is checking into it.... I think |
| 00:52.42 | wegstar | k |
| 00:53.53 | wegstar | oooh simonrvn |
| 00:54.00 | wegstar | ~seen simonrvn |
| 00:54.02 | ibot | simonrvn is currently on #debian-bots (19h 11m 10s) #debian (19h 11m 10s) #botpark (19h 11m 10s) #debianppc (19h 11m 10s). Has said a total of 106 messages. Is idling for 1h 42m 53s |
| 00:54.08 | wegstar | ... |
| 00:54.22 | wegstar | hmm |
| 00:54.31 | wegstar | ~seen wegstar |
| 00:54.32 | ibot | wegstar is currently on #botpark (49m 6s) #bzflag (49m 6s). Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 00:54.52 | wegstar | ah... |
| 01:00.36 | spldart | Today sux |
| 01:00.55 | wegstar | were they able to help you? |
| 01:02.13 | spldart | Not yet... he's looking into it |
| 01:02.29 | wegstar | ok |
| 01:02.34 | spldart | Lost my last grandparent today, bad day at work, etc.etc.etc |
| 01:03.42 | wegstar | oh.. |
| 01:20.10 | spldart | They say they can detect no open proxy and that all these open proxy/ban messages I keep getting are anomalies :( |
| 01:27.19 | cosmos | translation: we do not know what we are doing |
| 01:28.28 | spldart | heh |
| 01:28.46 | brlcad | Thumper_: it happens |
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| 01:53.49 | JeffM2501 | ya for realy old mac apps |
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| 01:55.05 | LordSarpedon | greets |
| 01:55.46 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 01:56.02 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak: I had forgoten about the totaly customiseable tanks |
| 01:56.14 | JeffM2501 | and the greens that gave ammo or health |
| 01:56.34 | JeffM2501 | did you find the VR version |
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| 02:02.24 | JeffM2501 | how goes it in the world today LordSarpedon |
| 02:02.25 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 02:04.27 | LordSarpedon | Sorry, was busy |
| 02:04.32 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 02:05.03 | orchid | boats? |
| 02:05.10 | LordSarpedon | Well, as of now I was looking for a nice UML modeler, for drawing up some of my implementation ideas |
| 02:05.11 | ElvisNeedsBoats | Boats |
| 02:06.19 | wegstar | pie |
| 02:06.40 | ElvisNeedsBoats | no boats |
| 02:07.22 | ElvisNeedsBoats | mmm cottage cheese and smirnoff :D |
| 02:08.04 | DTRemenak | ElvisNeedsBoats: nope, that was the only one I found |
| 02:08.29 | shorty114 | haha nice nick, ElvisNeedsBoats |
| 02:08.51 | ElvisNeedsBoats | had to boot the G3 to 9.2 with like 1 extension to get it to work |
| 02:09.00 | ElvisNeedsBoats | clasic == not_so_happy |
| 02:09.03 | shorty114 | how much ram? |
| 02:09.15 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 02:09.31 | ElvisNeedsBoats | a gig |
| 02:09.59 | ElvisNeedsBoats | crashes on quit tho |
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| 02:10.42 | shorty114 | weird |
| 02:10.50 | ElvisNeedsBoats | ? |
| 02:11.07 | ElvisNeedsBoats | why would it be wierd that an old system 6 app dosn't like 9.2 extensions? |
| 02:11.15 | ElvisNeedsBoats | that's par for the course for apple |
| 02:11.16 | shorty114 | oh it's system 6? |
| 02:11.22 | shorty114 | i thought you were running 9.x |
| 02:11.25 | ElvisNeedsBoats | I am |
| 02:11.32 | ElvisNeedsBoats | no he just went home |
| 02:11.38 | ElvisNeedsBoats | the app is from like 1990 |
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| 02:12.52 | shorty114 | heh older than me |
| 02:13.05 | Noodleman | random movie quote of the (?:day|minute|second): |
| 02:13.08 | Noodleman | sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken |
| 02:13.17 | ElvisNeedsBoats | yes older then you |
| 02:13.18 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:13.20 | ElvisNeedsBoats | older then bzflag |
| 02:13.26 | ElvisNeedsBoats | yet strikingly similar |
| 02:13.29 | ElvisNeedsBoats | even has flags |
| 02:13.54 | ElvisNeedsBoats | and network play |
| 02:14.44 | orange | Pimpinella: I hear through the grapevine that you have a patch for admin pause command |
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| 02:16.53 | JeffM2501 | I guess elvis didn't need boats anymore |
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| 02:18.12 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, why don't you get a real IRC client? |
| 02:19.17 | wegstar | like chatzilla or the buggy virc? |
| 02:19.28 | blast007 | or X-Chat |
| 02:19.32 | wegstar | :) |
| 02:22.38 | LordSarpedon | JeffM2501, I very well could. In fact, I have several. However, this is just as accessible |
| 02:22.58 | LordSarpedon | And wegstar, as of now Windows, but Linux when I feel like it |
| 02:23.02 | blast007 | just as accessible, but with only 5% of the feature set ;) |
| 02:23.29 | blast007 | I couldn't live without logging |
| 02:24.20 | wegstar | I better flush my logs... :) |
| 02:24.32 | JeffM2501 | yet less stable :) |
| 02:26.03 | wegstar | argh! 11 MB here :( |
| 02:27.40 | LordSarpedon | I pop in from time to time...on the other hand, some of the more dedicated people here might have use for a full client |
| 02:28.07 | spldart | My server get's little traffic :( |
| 02:28.55 | wegstar | use apache :P |
| 02:29.19 | spldart | ? |
| 02:33.10 | wegstar | http://httpd.apache.org/ |
| 02:33.25 | wegstar | "February 2005 Netcraft Web Server Survey found that more than 68% of the web sites on the Internet are using Apache" |
| 02:33.30 | wegstar | enjoy |
| 02:33.34 | spldart | I was referring to my bzflag server |
| 02:33.43 | spldart | My abyss server does me just fine ;) |
| 02:33.55 | wegstar | oh |
| 02:33.57 | wegstar | :)' |
| 02:34.03 | wegstar | :) |
| 02:34.19 | spldart | I.B. Aybss = ABYSmal |
| 02:34.25 | spldart | hehehe |
| 02:34.28 | wegstar | ah.. :) |
| 02:40.08 | spldart | All my grandparents keep going through my head :( |
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| 02:59.49 | Death_Barrel | trivia time |
| 02:59.55 | Death_Barrel | #bztrivia |
| 03:06.10 | spldart | hehe. I know were wegstar is ;) |
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| 03:15.03 | MeBigFatGuy | w00t |
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| 03:24.15 | sTiFF_Man | yo |
| 03:25.13 | MeBigFatGuy | heya browser-boy |
| 03:26.32 | shorty114 | browser-boy? |
| 03:27.43 | MeBigFatGuy | stiff_man, that is |
| 03:28.33 | sTiFF_Man | helloo |
| 03:28.44 | sTiFF_Man | browser boy? |
| 03:28.59 | MeBigFatGuy | is there an echo? |
| 03:29.19 | sTiFF_Man | there will be until browser boy is explained |
| 03:29.37 | MeBigFatGuy | i assume you are accessing irc thru a browser? |
| 03:29.39 | brad2901 | cgi-irc |
| 03:30.40 | sTiFF_Man | how did you know that |
| 03:30.48 | wegstar | spldart: hepcat? |
| 03:30.50 | MeBigFatGuy | ~44228c78@webchat.bzflag.bz |
| 03:30.51 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:31.00 | sTiFF_Man | gotcha |
| 03:31.46 | sTiFF_Man | tryin to set up my private server in the public list on bz |
| 03:31.58 | MeBigFatGuy | did you use -public? |
| 03:32.41 | wegstar | what's wrong? |
| 03:32.43 | sTiFF_Man | see the problem is... i have no idea what that means... i read that and being the idiot i am... can't understand. |
| 03:32.52 | wegstar | oh |
| 03:32.58 | sTiFF_Man | i just installed the ol' server today |
| 03:33.01 | wegstar | what happens? |
| 03:33.16 | wegstar | paste it someplace |
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| 03:33.21 | wegstar | www.pastebin.ca |
| 03:34.41 | wegstar | the "problem message", that is |
| 03:34.49 | wegstar | ok |
| 03:34.54 | wegstar | ? |
| 03:34.59 | MeBigFatGuy | wegstar, i think the problem is he can't make it public |
| 03:35.02 | MeBigFatGuy | <no error> |
| 03:35.05 | wegstar | oh |
| 03:35.09 | sTiFF_Man | yeah.. i was like wuh?? |
| 03:35.16 | wegstar | oh |
| 03:35.20 | wegstar | stupid me :) |
| 03:35.35 | sTiFF_Man | like i can start a server on my localhost of course but then from there i'm still learning |
| 03:35.55 | sTiFF_Man | heh |
| 03:36.24 | wegstar | can you see it on the list? |
| 03:36.54 | wegstar | nvm |
| 03:37.16 | sTiFF_Man | yeah locally.. But when i start the server on my computer it says the server name is the localhost... and i get on a networked computer and they can play each other.. but that's all local |
| 03:37.27 | wegstar | hmm |
| 03:37.35 | wegstar | you did use -public? |
| 03:37.42 | MeBigFatGuy | need to do |
| 03:37.53 | sTiFF_Man | what does -public mean? |
| 03:37.57 | MeBigFatGuy | -public "MyServer" -public my_ip |
| 03:38.03 | MeBigFatGuy | oops |
| 03:38.12 | MeBigFatGuy | -public "MyServer" -publicaddr my_ip |
| 03:38.16 | MeBigFatGuy | it's just the server's name |
| 03:38.25 | MeBigFatGuy | as you want it to show in the list server |
| 03:38.28 | sTiFF_Man | where do i type that ( remember i'm a huge newb) |
| 03:38.33 | MeBigFatGuy | on command line |
| 03:38.37 | wegstar | in the conf |
| 03:38.41 | wegstar | err... |
| 03:38.43 | spldart | Yeah. Hepcat. I was green for a bit and red for a bit. |
| 03:38.49 | MeBigFatGuy | bzfs -p 5154 -public test_server -publicaddr 123.123.123.123 |
| 03:39.01 | MeBigFatGuy | replacing your ip, obviously |
| 03:39.10 | wegstar | or if you stuck everything in your conf... |
| 03:39.21 | sTiFF_Man | yeah... so just type that in my msdos? |
| 03:39.25 | MeBigFatGuy | yes |
| 03:40.25 | sTiFF_Man | and i use my external ip with port forwarding or just internal ip? |
| 03:40.33 | wegstar | external |
| 03:40.35 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
| 03:41.15 | sTiFF_Man | bzfs not an internal or external command etc. etc. etc.... did i not install something correctly? |
| 03:41.24 | MeBigFatGuy | you on windows? |
| 03:41.28 | wegstar | ? |
| 03:41.35 | sTiFF_Man | ( i appreciate your guy's help a bunch ) yeah 2kserver |
| 03:41.43 | MeBigFatGuy | did you cd to the bzflag directory? |
| 03:42.09 | sTiFF_Man | man i bet i look stupid... no. h/o |
| 03:42.14 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 03:42.25 | wegstar | 'tis all right ;) |
| 03:42.35 | jpa- | morning |
| 03:42.37 | MeBigFatGuy | humble stupidity is fine |
| 03:42.43 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 03:43.44 | wegstar | morning jpa- |
| 03:44.21 | sTiFF_Man | i cd'd to the bzflag2.0.2 dir and typed basically everything you said to type.. it's sittin there blinking so i'm hopin it's starting it... |
| 03:44.32 | wegstar | ok.. i'll check |
| 03:44.41 | MeBigFatGuy | yes |
| 03:44.46 | MeBigFatGuy | there's nothing else that will happen |
| 03:44.49 | sTiFF_Man | it's there??? |
| 03:44.55 | MeBigFatGuy | try connecting with bzflag |
| 03:44.57 | wegstar | whatchama call it? |
| 03:45.00 | MeBigFatGuy | see if you see it in the list of servers |
| 03:45.05 | sTiFF_Man | k h/o |
| 03:45.13 | jpa- | hi qgrsart |
| 03:45.15 | jpa- | sorry |
| 03:45.18 | jpa- | hi wegstar |
| 03:45.38 | jpa- | my typing is not so good at morning - thanks autocompletition |
| 03:46.16 | wegstar | hmm.. i don't see it you should check it yourself |
| 03:46.43 | wegstar | yay.. i'm in jpa-'s autocompletion list :) |
| 03:46.55 | jpa- | uh, everyone is |
| 03:47.06 | wegstar | oh... |
| 03:47.10 | jpa- | you are no special :) |
| 03:47.16 | wegstar | darn ;) |
| 03:47.41 | MeBigFatGuy | wow 10 pages of servers |
| 03:48.22 | MeBigFatGuy | i wonder if the bottom 80 ever get played on |
| 03:48.23 | sTiFF_Man | umm everytime i enter into my server "homeserver.sliffehome.com" it goes to secretplace.us |
| 03:48.29 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 03:48.39 | wegstar | oh .. that |
| 03:48.46 | wegstar | that happens |
| 03:48.55 | wegstar | just go back and select it again |
| 03:50.55 | sTiFF_Man | ok...lemme show you wut i typed this time... |
| 03:50.58 | wegstar | ok |
| 03:51.19 | sTiFF_Man | bzfs -p 5154 -public sta_server -publicaddr 68.34.140.120:2323 |
| 03:51.31 | sTiFF_Man | yeah i'm stupid for givin that ip crap away but oh well |
| 03:51.51 | MeBigFatGuy | i can't ping your ip |
| 03:52.02 | wegstar | do -d |
| 03:52.12 | wegstar | so you know what's going on.. |
| 03:52.21 | MeBigFatGuy | (as an option in bzfs) |
| 03:52.27 | MeBigFatGuy | bzfs -d ..... |
| 03:52.27 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:52.36 | wegstar | looks fine... |
| 03:53.12 | MeBigFatGuy | i can't ping that ip tho, is it behind firewall, or other? |
| 03:53.14 | sTiFF_Man | yeah... ummm what about in the find server section where it says start server... do i mess with that? |
| 03:53.24 | MeBigFatGuy | don't touch start server |
| 03:53.37 | MeBigFatGuy | it will cause your computer to explode, and emit black smoke out the back |
| 03:54.33 | wegstar | and format your harddrive(s) |
| 03:54.35 | jpa- | evil :E |
| 03:54.51 | sTiFF_Man | it's behind a router |
| 03:54.53 | sTiFF_Man | of course. |
| 03:54.57 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:55.00 | sTiFF_Man | no hardware firewall |
| 03:55.10 | wegstar | did you forward the ports? |
| 03:55.17 | sTiFF_Man | yeah |
| 03:55.18 | wegstar | nvm |
| 03:55.25 | wegstar | both TCP and UDP ? |
| 03:55.31 | sTiFF_Man | eh..... |
| 03:55.33 | sTiFF_Man | good question |
| 03:55.45 | sTiFF_Man | i have an old netgear i'm lucky i have port fowarding |
| 03:55.50 | MeBigFatGuy | the list server should try to connect to your server, at startup, i believe |
| 03:55.59 | sTiFF_Man | how do i do seperate ports for tcp and udp |
| 03:56.09 | wegstar | err... |
| 03:56.16 | wegstar | you could.. |
| 03:56.31 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz (~wiz@12-217-171-34.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:56.33 | wegstar | how did you forward it? |
| 03:56.43 | wegstar | the first time, i mean |
| 03:57.14 | sTiFF_Man | just my computers ip to port 2323 |
| 03:57.44 | wegstar | oh.. so you cannot specify the protocol? |
| 03:57.48 | MeBigFatGuy | yay! Dialup server added |
| 03:57.52 | sTiFF_Man | no |
| 03:58.07 | wegstar | hm... it might be both... |
| 03:58.23 | wegstar | do you have windows firewall or other software firewalls running? |
| 03:58.23 | MeBigFatGuy | i pity the fool who connects :) |
| 03:58.27 | wegstar | ? |
| 03:58.29 | wegstar | ; |
| 03:58.29 | sTiFF_Man | so you have to have a router with that capability? |
| 03:58.34 | wegstar | no |
| 03:58.36 | MeBigFatGuy | wegstar, it should pop up a dialog asking for permission |
| 03:58.37 | sTiFF_Man | oh |
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| 03:58.55 | wegstar | it does not give such an option on your router.. |
| 03:59.10 | sTiFF_Man | nope... straight ghetto wireless b router |
| 03:59.30 | wegstar | so I assume that it may open up the port for both protocols... |
| 03:59.40 | sTiFF_Man | should i try plugging my comptuer straight to my modem for the sake of experimenting? |
| 03:59.46 | wegstar | err... |
| 04:00.09 | wegstar | do you use windows firewall ? |
| 04:00.09 | sTiFF_Man | i'm getting a VOIP router within a week |
| 04:00.23 | sTiFF_Man | no 2k server doesn't support it |
| 04:00.30 | wegstar | oh yea.. forgot :) |
| 04:00.43 | sTiFF_Man | heh... it's the only server os i could get my hands on. |
| 04:00.44 | wegstar | any other software firewalls? |
| 04:01.04 | MeBigFatGuy | xp is better |
| 04:01.18 | MeBigFatGuy | damn server os'es are a pain in the butt |
| 04:01.21 | sTiFF_Man | you would think me working at best buy going to a tech school would have some kind of protection but truthfully i just install os like 2 hours ago... so nothing keeping the outside world from me lol |
| 04:01.34 | cXz_ | hi, trying to compile bzflag on OpenBSD from source, having some issues.. the worst part about it, that it's not working :).. the secound is it tells me after configure, "no bzflag client binary!" :( |
| 04:01.42 | wegstar | ouch.. except for the router ;) |
| 04:01.46 | cXz_ | having some issues locating what's needed for a successful compile |
| 04:01.46 | *** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 04:02.03 | sTiFF_Man | yeah heh. |
| 04:02.04 | MeBigFatGuy | cXz_, a windows box would help |
| 04:02.11 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 04:02.12 | wegstar | heh |
| 04:02.15 | cXz_ | x_X |
| 04:02.48 | MeBigFatGuy | welp, i'm off , good luck, stiffy |
| 04:02.52 | wegstar | hmm... |
| 04:02.54 | sTiFF_Man | thanks bud |
| 04:02.55 | cXz_ | so, noone technical on *nix here, who knows which package needed? |
| 04:03.10 | sTiFF_Man | so would me pluggin into the modem make it work? |
| 04:03.10 | wegstar | sure there are plenty.. but they are probably busy :) |
| 04:03.14 | wegstar | hmm |
| 04:03.16 | wegstar | maybe.. |
| 04:03.40 | wegstar | fine... maybe that would work... |
| 04:03.46 | sTiFF_Man | aright lemme try |
| 04:03.47 | orchid | cXz_: whats the full error? |
| 04:03.57 | cXz_ | ok, if i past it here? :) |
| 04:04.01 | cXz_ | or -> #flood |
| 04:04.02 | wegstar | at pastebin |
| 04:04.06 | wegstar | www.pastebin.ca |
| 04:04.25 | orchid | I'm banned from #flood |
| 04:04.29 | wegstar | hehe |
| 04:04.32 | orchid | for lurking :) |
| 04:04.40 | wegstar | ow |
| 04:04.49 | cXz_ | hehe |
| 04:05.18 | orchid | cXz_: ive never used bsd but its likely a gl issue? |
| 04:05.44 | cXz_ | no, its not.. dont think so, make ends when making manuals :) |
| 04:05.47 | cXz_ | but soon i have pasted it |
| 04:07.05 | cXz_ | http://pastebin.ca/8823 |
| 04:08.34 | orchid | ./configure | less |
| 04:08.42 | cXz_ | want it all? :) |
| 04:08.44 | cXz_ | ok.. |
| 04:08.53 | orchid | then paste the part that tells you why no client |
| 04:09.10 | wegstar | sTiFF_Man: how are we doing? |
| 04:10.26 | cXz_ | its updated now |
| 04:10.31 | cXz_ | same link :) |
| 04:10.37 | cXz_ | real nice, page, that pastebin :) |
| 04:11.17 | cXz_ | oh wait |
| 04:11.22 | cXz_ | its http://pastebin.ca/8824 |
| 04:11.26 | cXz_ | damn, it added a number :) |
| 04:12.44 | orchid | 060 checking GL/glx.h usability... no |
| 04:12.44 | orchid | 061 checking GL/glx.h presence... no |
| 04:12.44 | orchid | 062 checking for GL/glx.h... no |
| 04:12.44 | orchid | 063 checking SDL/SDL.h usability... no |
| 04:12.44 | orchid | 064 checking SDL/SDL.h presence... no |
| 04:13.04 | cXz_ | hm, i need mesa for that or? |
| 04:13.19 | *** join/#bzflag Stiff (~45f7c8f3@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 04:13.19 | orchid | forget the SDL for now, but you should install that too |
| 04:13.20 | guu | I've never heard of the SDL for now, but you should install that too, orchid! |
| 04:13.28 | Stiff | ok here we go... |
| 04:13.33 | orchid | guu: :) |
| 04:13.33 | guu | heh |
| 04:14.23 | Stiff | wegstar you there? |
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| 04:16.40 | orchid | cXz_: yeah maybe xlibmesa-glu |
| 04:17.03 | cXz_ | hm, ok |
| 04:17.07 | Pimpinella | orange: yeah, not sure if it is what you want though |
| 04:17.10 | orchid | xlibmesa-glu-dev |
| 04:17.16 | wegstar | yeah |
| 04:17.21 | Stiff | cool |
| 04:17.25 | orchid | ~rlart |
| 04:17.36 | orange | Pimpinella: what does it do? |
| 04:17.40 | orchid | uh-oh |
| 04:17.48 | Pimpinella | just stops the clock in countdown games |
| 04:17.54 | orange | ohhh |
| 04:17.59 | orange | no, that's not it.. but that is nice :-) |
| 04:18.22 | Pimpinella | anywa, if you want it, it's in cvs |
| 04:18.26 | orange | ah, cool |
| 04:19.06 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.43 | orange | yes, that is very useful for matches, and I'll pull it onto my match server |
| 04:19.47 | orange | what permission is needed? |
| 04:19.51 | orange | just /countdown? |
| 04:19.54 | Pimpinella | yep |
| 04:19.59 | orange | very nice, thanks |
| 04:21.06 | wegstar | stiffman: nsuccess |
| 04:29.48 | wegstar | what the h happened to http://www.bzflag.org/" |
| 04:45.44 | cosmos | it brings up a porn site for me |
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| 04:48.35 | wegstar | whaaat?? |
| 04:49.42 | cosmos | something called [3~[3~ |
| 04:49.51 | cosmos | mommy is potty training |
| 04:49.51 | wegstar | hmm |
| 04:49.58 | wegstar | err... |
| 04:53.25 | wegstar | ~seen timriker |
| 04:53.27 | ibot | timriker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 3d 5h 43m 55s ago, saying: 'http://www.cenqua.com/commentator/ heh. need one of those.'. |
| 04:53.39 | wegstar | ~seen GvzEvxre |
| 04:53.40 | ibot | gvzevxre is currently on #debian-bots #elinux #ol #bzflag. Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 11h 47m 19s |
| 04:53.47 | wegstar | eek |
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| 05:14.17 | uso | http://www.bzflag.org/ is ok for me |
| 05:15.20 | uso | could be a dns hack, to what does it resolve for you? |
| 05:15.31 | uso | www.bzflag.org is an alias for vhost.sourceforge.net. |
| 05:15.37 | uso | vhost.sourceforge.net has address 66.35.250.210 |
| 05:17.18 | Thumper_ | SportChick: ping - I think I fell off the net... great timing :/ |
| 05:20.11 | wegstar | yay its back |
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| 05:27.14 | uso | hmm, viper could be a really good server ... with 3 shots and no flags ;-) |
| 05:32.50 | cosmos | the guy that runs planet mofo sounds like a real class act |
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| 05:55.53 | cosmos | hrm, sun E4500 12 x 400mhz, 24GB ram, 2 i/o boards, cdrom. $250 |
| 05:59.06 | wegstar_away | night all |
| 05:59.13 | cosmos | night |
| 05:59.38 | purple_cow | cosmos: that seems a little low... |
| 05:59.45 | cosmos | yep |
| 05:59.53 | cosmos | and im picking it up ro[3~[3~tomorrow |
| 06:03.59 | cosmos | office is switching to linux. the new cio kept repeating that solaris and suns were junk from day one so i challenged him to sell me a pallet of junk |
| 06:04.35 | cosmos | all in all ill end up with 5 E4500's, 4 E450's, a boatload of 420R/220R and assorted ultra 2s etc for under $1500 |
| 06:05.08 | ruskie | nice |
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| 06:10.14 | ToughShooter | !seen Tupone |
| 06:10.15 | guu | ToughShooter: Tupone was last seen here 10 hours, 12 minutes, and 43 seconds ago saying: <Tupone> better add |
| 06:10.28 | cosmos | !seen Jesus |
| 06:10.29 | guu | cosmos: I have not seen Jesus. |
| 06:11.44 | ToughShooter | ...after sleeping I was able to fix compile errors within a minute :) |
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| 06:18.13 | SportChick | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5569872897&rd=1 |
| 06:19.54 | cosmos | secretplace is an online bible study? |
| 06:21.03 | cosmos | getting up and watching tv like normal kids? no wonder there are so many fat sob's here in america |
| 06:21.13 | cosmos | the kids should have been outside playing baseab[3~[3~all |
| 06:21.24 | cosmos | the mom need s to be clubbed in the head with a baseball bat herself |
| 06:22.18 | cosmos | even better, it sounds like she needed birth control to begin with |
| 06:28.18 | ToughShooter | SportChick: Did you got the second group definition? |
| 06:29.19 | uso | cosmos: hehe, you must have a big garage (with a small car) to stack all the sun stuff :) |
| 06:29.39 | cosmos | i have 6 cars |
| 06:30.00 | uso | lol, all outside the garage ;) |
| 06:30.01 | cosmos | none of my cars qualify as small |
| 06:30.43 | uso | from european view small cars doesnt exist in usa :) |
| 06:30.53 | cosmos | 79 cadillac fleetwood broughm, 73 plymouth roadrunner, 72 cadillac coupe de ville, 67 ford falcon, and 2 66 charger fastbacks |
| 06:32.04 | uso | nice collection, although i most of them dont know in detail |
| 06:32.23 | cosmos | i have pics of one online, http://www.hepcat.org/rr/ |
| 06:32.58 | cosmos | newer cars are cheap plastic crapboxes |
| 06:33.14 | uso | do you were on viper a few minutes ago? or was this another cosmos? |
| 06:33.41 | cosmos | it was prpbably the imposter trying to steal my password and start issues on other servers |
| 06:34.10 | uso | wow, this isn't sooo big ... lokks nice (and fast) |
| 06:34.28 | cosmos | its about twice the size of a toyota |
| 06:34.33 | cosmos | its 3800lbs |
| 06:34.37 | cosmos | and about 405hp |
| 06:35.33 | uso | yes, but for me us cars are 8 meter long and 3 tonns of weight ;) |
| 06:35.49 | cosmos | heh |
| 06:36.03 | cosmos | but they crumple into 25cms of plastic rubble on impact |
| 06:36.13 | cosmos | my cars just rip through the other car and keep going |
| 06:36.25 | uso | lol |
| 06:38.35 | cosmos | and it gets an economical 12MPG |
| 06:39.13 | ToughShooter | cosmos: Is it intentional that link to bzflag pages at hepcat.org doesn't resolve via DNS? |
| 06:39.15 | uso | grrr, who could count this in "real" units :) |
| 06:39.27 | cosmos | ? |
| 06:39.31 | cosmos | tough what do you mean |
| 06:39.50 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/267341 |
| 06:39.51 | uso | what is a galon? 159 liters? |
| 06:40.04 | cosmos | a gallon is 672.34 litres |
| 06:40.19 | ToughShooter | Wow, that's much |
| 06:40.24 | uso | oops ... and than only 12 miles??? |
| 06:40.42 | cosmos | oh bzflag.hepcat.org doesnt exist anymore |
| 06:40.49 | cosmos | all of the bsz[3~flag servers are on hepcat.org |
| 06:40.52 | uso | must be wrong |
| 06:41.16 | uso | MPG is miles per galon, isnt it? |
| 06:41.16 | ToughShooter | cosmos: There's still a link to it on http://www.hepcat.org/ |
| 06:41.25 | cosmos | a gallon is like 2-3 litres i think |
| 06:41.29 | cosmos | ahh |
| 06:41.32 | cosmos | ill have to change that |
| 06:41.56 | ToughShooter | ~dict gallon |
| 06:42.02 | uso | eek, 159 liters is a barrel iirc |
| 06:42.13 | uso | lol |
| 06:42.31 | uso | or somewhat between 1 and 1000 :)) |
| 06:42.43 | ToughShooter | ~dict barrel |
| 06:43.03 | ToughShooter | Whatever |
| 06:43.31 | uso | miles? 16xx meters? |
| 06:43.37 | uso | ~ibot miles |
| 06:43.42 | uso | ~dict miles |
| 06:43.50 | ToughShooter | It should be sane to convert different units |
| 06:44.14 | cosmos | 3.1 miles is 5km |
| 06:44.16 | uso | ibot shoud convet mpg to l/100km ;) |
| 06:44.25 | uso | *convert |
| 06:44.40 | orange | ~google 1 mile in kilometers |
| 06:44.48 | orange | boo |
| 06:44.56 | orange | google it |
| 06:45.13 | uso | too lazy :) |
| 06:45.19 | orange | 1 mile = 1.609344 kilometers |
| 06:45.28 | uso | wow, my 16xx was good |
| 06:45.44 | orange | 1 kilometer = 39 370.0787 inches |
| 06:47.01 | uso | 19.6 l/100 km |
| 06:47.25 | uso | that's what you call economic in us :) |
| 06:48.19 | cosmos | http://www.hepcat.org/mr_bill is 2654.[3~[3~ |
| 06:48.23 | cosmos | ack 265.9kg |
| 06:48.35 | orange | 19.6 l/100km = 12.0007441 miles / US gallon |
| 06:48.44 | orange | that's a gas guzzler |
| 06:49.00 | cosmos | its a 1973 muscle car |
| 06:49.06 | orange | google rocks |
| 06:49.07 | cosmos | gas was 70 cents |
| 06:49.09 | orange | "19.6l/100km in miles/gallon" works |
| 06:49.10 | uso | yes, cosmos said economic 12 MPG |
| 06:49.15 | orange | oh, hehe |
| 06:49.21 | orange | not bad for a 1973 muscle car |
| 06:49.34 | orange | where do you buy lead additives? ;-) |
| 06:49.48 | uso | for 400+ hp and nearly 2 tonns it's good |
| 06:49.50 | cosmos | ive even gotten it up to about 155mph on the backgroads in oxnard |
| 06:50.06 | cosmos | you do not l need lead attitves |
| 06:50.11 | cosmos | unless you want to kill the car |
| 06:50.29 | uso | wow, a bit faster than mine |
| 06:50.35 | orange | for a 1973? I would have expected that engine to want leaded fuel |
| 06:50.46 | cosmos | just takes high octane. i have to use some 101 octane gas mixed with chevron premium |
| 06:50.49 | cosmos | no |
| 06:50.55 | cosmos | unleaded was standard then |
| 06:50.56 | uso | got 151 mph on german autobahn |
| 06:51.02 | orange | I'm old |
| 06:51.14 | cosmos | besides i rebuilt the engine custom from top to bottom |
| 06:51.29 | orange | sweet |
| 06:51.31 | uso | and mine IS a toyota cosmos ;) |
| 06:51.41 | cosmos | ja[ c |
| 06:51.47 | cosmos | sheesh |
| 06:51.49 | cosmos | jap crap |
| 06:51.52 | orange | I was trying to figure out what a toyota cosmos was |
| 06:51.56 | uso | lol |
| 06:52.20 | cosmos | im from detroit |
| 06:52.38 | orange | hehe |
| 06:52.39 | cosmos | we had a family get their house burned to the ground in the mid 70s for buying a improt car |
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| 06:53.19 | uso | cosmos: you are on the base of automobile production |
| 06:53.20 | orange | I was in detroit a few years ago... went over a bridge and was faced with a sign showing the various routes that you could take... there were (no lie) at least 30 of them on one big mosaic. |
| 06:53.30 | orange | it was surreal |
| 06:53.39 | cosmos | i hear they are cleanig it up now |
| 06:53.56 | cosmos | when i was there 70s and 80s t was nothing but burned out buildings and junkies |
| 06:55.59 | cosmos | heh |
| 06:56.26 | cosmos | just dont roll onto your wife |
| 06:57.24 | cosmos | ahh well thanks for reminding me i have to get up tomorrow |
| 06:58.29 | uso | orange: are you in europe? thought you also were overseas |
| 07:00.06 | uso | -orange- TIME Tue Apr 5 02:59:33 2005 ... rolling off the bed ... eeeek |
| 07:00.47 | uso | this is in the middle of the night :( |
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| 07:33.46 | uso | g2g, bed is calling :) |
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| 07:55.20 | d | ~bzfquery mythic.mine.nu:5146 |
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| 08:52.39 | d | anybody know how to limit the number of kills one can have with a GM before they lose the flag? |
| 08:54.02 | [dmp] | d: GM can be limited to a certain number of shots (not kills). And its configurable, so its depends on the setup |
| 08:54.06 | d | ~bzquery mythic.mine.nu:5146 |
| 08:55.03 | d | K, cause I have all shots limited to one. But it seemed like on some servers, after x many of kills with a gm you lose the flag, but I could be wrong.. Thanx. ;) |
| 08:55.52 | d | ~bzfquery mythic.mine.nu:5146 |
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| 09:07.41 | d | any way to set the report file value while the server is running? |
| 09:10.43 | d | no prob. |
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| 10:22.15 | ToughShooter | ~weather EDDF |
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| 11:38.23 | CBG | can anyone here please help me with pybzedit? |
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| 12:38.25 | Archimond | hi |
| 12:39.03 | Archimond | please tell me, is there any AI bots for bzflag that plays better |
| 12:40.25 | tupone | better then ?who... ? |
| 12:40.58 | Archimond | better than bots that comes with bzflag package! |
| 12:42.28 | tupone | you have to kind of bots: one is with the solo optionsand one is autopilot. Normally we don't need those, . We play against human |
| 12:43.39 | Archimond | yes i know, but i want to know: is there any body that creates a good AI bots for play? |
| 12:44.35 | _Manu_ | I remember a bot... c3po playing bzflag.. aski him ;-p |
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| 12:45.25 | Archimond | where can i find it for download? |
| 12:45.26 | tupone | I also saw r2d2. Not so good |
| 12:45.43 | _Manu_ | but c3po was good... ;I |
| 12:46.07 | tupone | but not available to download |
| 12:46.34 | _Manu_ | i also remember, one year ago.. a guy wrote a good bot.. but don't know how to find him now :( |
| 12:46.59 | trepan | ah, c'mon, open-source the c3po bot |
| 12:47.16 | tupone | niet |
| 12:47.44 | Archimond | I want to find an AI bots for expert playing, can you help me?, or i want to write an AI bots, do you know any? |
| 12:47.55 | _Manu_ | c3po code is propetary i think |
| 12:49.09 | _Manu_ | Archimond, you can try writing yourself.. i knew somebody wrote a good bot for bzflag.. but actually i can't find him :/ |
| 12:49.29 | Archimond | what does this word propetary mean? i can not speak english well |
| 12:50.02 | _Manu_ | not open source.. |
| 12:51.13 | Archimond | thanks, what should i do if i want to connect my bot to bzflag, or do you know any reference? |
| 12:51.46 | _Manu_ | when you wrote the code.. just append it to the client and connect to one server for testing |
| 12:52.18 | Archimond | what about reference? |
| 12:52.35 | _Manu_ | tip: i remember i could control the bot with client messages like: /hunt "playername" and so on |
| 12:53.10 | Archimond | thanks a lot, you are a good MAN! bye. |
| 12:53.17 | _Manu_ | cu |
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| 13:10.14 | ToughShooter | PING tupone |
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| 13:18.04 | bz2803 | hwey |
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| 13:21.49 | tupone | ToughShooter: pong |
| 13:22.03 | ToughShooter | tupone: Have you seen https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=303248&aid=1176831&group_id=3248 ? |
| 13:22.39 | ToughShooter | tupone: I needed one minute after I got awake :) |
| 13:22.53 | tupone | not really. I see the mail this morning. On the afternoon I will patch the CS with those |
| 13:24.11 | tupone | CVS :) |
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| 13:27.32 | ToughShooter | tupone: Perhaps these includes should be "ifdef"fed but I'm a n00b in C(++) |
| 13:28.49 | tupone | I saw that we do not need to |
| 13:28.50 | tupone | Already done internally |
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| 13:29.45 | tupone | at least for the file that I saw |
| 13:30.55 | ToughShooter | :) |
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| 13:52.40 | jpa- | mrmongin |
| 13:52.42 | jpa- | hi Sporty |
| 13:52.57 | Birdie | hi jpa-, sportchick |
| 13:54.01 | jpa- | hi Birdie |
| 13:54.51 | ToughShooter | Howdy Birdie |
| 13:55.05 | Birdie | hi toughshooter |
| 13:57.35 | ToughShooter | me would still like to have an admin pane that lists tks and joins |
| 13:57.53 | ToughShooter | arg, missing / |
| 13:58.03 | jpa- | hm? |
| 13:58.32 | ToughShooter | It would make it easier to identify lag-rejoiners and intentional team kills |
| 13:58.46 | jpa- | true |
| 13:58.55 | jpa- | while i'd like to make bzadmin better |
| 13:59.21 | ToughShooter | All these flag grabbed and dropped messages make it hard to see who's joining and leaving |
| 13:59.32 | jpa- | but it is difficult to make new bzadmin etc. because it uses bzflag libraries |
| 14:02.07 | ToughShooter | I think an admin pane would be a neat addition |
| 14:04.11 | jpa- | to what? bzflag? |
| 14:04.24 | jpa- | patches welcome :P |
| 14:04.29 | ToughShooter | bzflag client |
| 14:04.43 | ToughShooter | Aww, I'll be very busy next months |
| 14:08.19 | ToughShooter | jpa-: I'm not really thinking even if I do such a patch it would be checked in |
| 14:09.21 | jpa- | why not? |
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| 14:10.08 | ToughShooter | It would have been from me :\ |
| 14:10.17 | jpa- | ah, true |
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| 14:11.48 | jpa- | mine was not accepted either, while it might have been a bit useless |
| 14:12.02 | ToughShooter | However if I find time I'll do it. |
| 14:12.10 | jpa- | but, what is true is that without it, it is impossible to know tank teams without scrolling in bzadmin |
| 14:12.33 | ToughShooter | I can't even scroll in bzadmin |
| 14:12.47 | jpa- | (and part of getting not accepted might have been that i didn't notice patches link and put it in bugs :/ |
| 14:13.07 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Aww |
| 14:52.32 | Sporty | hi jpa & birdie |
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| 16:40.15 | Daddo | lunchtime! |
| 16:44.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/ (8 files): compiling fixes for MacOSX 10.3 |
| 16:45.53 | jpa- | dinnertime! |
| 16:46.01 | jpa- | except that dinner is not ready... :( |
| 16:47.42 | Daddo | :) |
| 17:05.09 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, ever use the "multi handle" stuff for curl? |
| 17:05.27 | Tupone | I'm going to use. I did some change locally |
| 17:05.36 | JeffM2501 | it work ok? |
| 17:05.54 | JeffM2501 | looks like a "pull" interface |
| 17:06.12 | Tupone | not tried. But the previous version of the code that accessed the listserver was ok. It is still in CVS even if reverted |
| 17:06.23 | Tupone | and it used the multi |
| 17:06.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking for my own stuff |
| 17:06.50 | Tupone | I can send you my idea of the class |
| 17:06.58 | Tupone | even if I will change a lot |
| 17:06.58 | JeffM2501 | that's be cool :) |
| 17:07.27 | Tupone | just a skeleton ... |
| 17:09.56 | Tupone | I meant to derive from it |
| 17:10.46 | Tupone | and use inheritance for doing special things |
| 17:11.44 | JeffM2501 | mmmmmm c++ness :) |
| 17:14.07 | Daddo | JeffM2501: how is the editor coming along? |
| 17:14.18 | JeffM2501 | editor? |
| 17:14.54 | Daddo | oops - thought you were working on one :O) |
| 17:15.07 | JeffM2501 | I work on many things |
| 17:15.13 | JeffM2501 | do you mean bzedit? |
| 17:15.22 | Daddo | nope |
| 17:16.17 | JeffM2501 | I have an editor framework |
| 17:16.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not a real editor tho |
| 17:16.42 | Daddo | that must be what I meant - you are currently working on that>? |
| 17:16.51 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly an experiment in a cross platform frameworks |
| 17:16.55 | Daddo | ah |
| 17:16.55 | JeffM2501 | I put stuff into it |
| 17:17.10 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it'll get some editor features at some point |
| 17:17.11 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: It doesn't compile on Mac OS X... |
| 17:17.16 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:17.26 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have any GL action on OSX yet tho |
| 17:17.28 | JeffM2501 | or any dialogs |
| 17:17.40 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, I am NOT talking about model tool |
| 17:17.49 | Daddo | I was working on making pyBzEdit more 2.0 compatible - and I found two things.... |
| 17:17.50 | JeffM2501 | and I know modelTool dosn't work on OSX |
| 17:17.53 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I really meant mapedit |
| 17:18.02 | Daddo | 1. I don't have any time :( |
| 17:18.11 | Daddo | 2. I was re-inventing the wheel |
| 17:18.11 | JeffM2501 | noone has done the OSX interfaces for mapedit yet |
| 17:18.18 | JeffM2501 | Daddo, bingo! |
| 17:18.23 | JeffM2501 | why build a modeler |
| 17:18.30 | JeffM2501 | when there are so many out there |
| 17:18.50 | Daddo | well - I was not gonna go that far - but it would be nice if you could move stuff around a bit :) |
| 17:19.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah I thought about that too |
| 17:19.11 | JeffM2501 | just doing meshes as imports |
| 17:19.12 | Daddo | import from a real modeler and then play with the stuff |
| 17:19.16 | Daddo | right |
| 17:19.34 | JeffM2501 | but it became aperant it's not worth it |
| 17:19.46 | JeffM2501 | the map makers who "get" it are using real modelers |
| 17:19.56 | JeffM2501 | the ones that don't just seem to be kids who like to wine |
| 17:20.03 | Daddo | but i started writing bunches of stuff to handle materials and then realized that was stupid |
| 17:20.45 | Daddo | so I am idly looking at stuff like pyOgre and OpenGLContext but otherwise - stalled :( |
| 17:21.05 | Daddo | Mean time I see a FEW cool 2.0 maps... |
| 17:21.15 | JeffM2501 | that's just engine stuff |
| 17:21.35 | Daddo | the island one, the bridges one and legoman tunnel one |
| 17:21.42 | JeffM2501 | the hard part is the editor interface |
| 17:22.00 | Daddo | for me it is all hard (old dog - new tricks) |
| 17:22.23 | JeffM2501 | the material stuff in bz all basicly just maps to GL calls |
| 17:22.56 | Daddo | yes - but with the old program I basically did not have an engine - just made GL calls |
| 17:23.17 | JeffM2501 | that's all I did |
| 17:23.20 | Daddo | adding all the 2.0 features makes it much nicer to have a REAL engine and BAM |
| 17:23.29 | JeffM2501 | it could be |
| 17:23.35 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think it's required |
| 17:23.38 | JeffM2501 | since you are an editor |
| 17:23.45 | JeffM2501 | your changing the scenegraph a lot |
| 17:24.20 | Daddo | but it would be nice to see approximately what things would look like |
| 17:24.29 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't need an engine |
| 17:24.35 | JeffM2501 | the engine is just gonna call GL |
| 17:24.37 | Daddo | plus my code sucked anyway :) |
| 17:24.38 | JeffM2501 | so can you. |
| 17:24.41 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:24.56 | JeffM2501 | just use the pybzflag engine |
| 17:25.16 | Daddo | but it would need a lot of re-education too no:? |
| 17:25.25 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, mapedit probably dosn't build anymnore cus I added GL calls, yet OSX dosn't init GL in it's window yet, somone needs to hook that up. |
| 17:25.30 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:25.35 | JeffM2501 | but at least it has the basics |
| 17:25.36 | JeffM2501 | of a bz world |
| 17:25.55 | JeffM2501 | basicly you'd be making the same changes to it, as trepan made to bzflag |
| 17:26.12 | JeffM2501 | there is nothing that says an existing engine is going to draw a world just like bz does |
| 17:26.25 | JeffM2501 | no mater what you'll have to fenagle the format into the right calls |
| 17:26.25 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: There is at least one error in the project file that references a file via absolute path including your username |
| 17:26.34 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:26.46 | JeffM2501 | that's the first time I'd ever used X code :) |
| 17:26.59 | JeffM2501 | I mostly wanted to see if I even could |
| 17:27.10 | JeffM2501 | you wana fix it? |
| 17:27.34 | ToughShooter | I did but it still didn't build, forget the error... |
| 17:27.55 | ToughShooter | I'll check out CVS again to get see it again |
| 17:28.00 | JeffM2501 | it's no biggie |
| 17:28.04 | JeffM2501 | it's not like it does anything |
| 17:28.11 | JeffM2501 | even if you got the code to compile |
| 17:28.18 | JeffM2501 | it just brings up a white window |
| 17:28.35 | ToughShooter | :O |
| 17:28.46 | JeffM2501 | did you expect it to be a finished app? |
| 17:29.11 | Daddo | are there any finished apps? |
| 17:29.16 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:29.32 | Daddo | well thanks for the info |
| 17:29.39 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 17:30.00 | Daddo | you too |
| 17:31.07 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: CVS doesn't work at project. Seems to be broken. :-/ |
| 17:33.02 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 17:34.25 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/267498 |
| 17:36.20 | ToughShooter | Hmm, now it works again |
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| 17:39.42 | Aribeth | hi SportyGal |
| 17:41.25 | orange | where is the web irc? |
| 17:41.40 | JeffM2501 | if you get it when it's doing an update from the main one, it can freak |
| 17:41.41 | orange | there is a player on hepcat right now with the same jitter issues as sportchick |
| 17:41.51 | JeffM2501 | orange, my.bzflag.org |
| 17:41.54 | orange | and I'd like him to come report what his configuration is, to see if there is commonality |
| 17:42.04 | JeffM2501 | best would be report on SF |
| 17:42.15 | JeffM2501 | as then it's recorded |
| 17:42.20 | JeffM2501 | Tim is not here now |
| 17:42.22 | orange | I'm not sure you'd get what you want without interactive conversation |
| 17:42.30 | orange | and I don't know what to ask |
| 17:42.33 | JeffM2501 | noone knows what to do on it |
| 17:42.42 | orange | yeah, I know, but if you can get commonality, it might help |
| 17:42.55 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 17:42.57 | JeffM2501 | but doubt it |
| 17:43.22 | ToughShooter | orange: http://my.bzflag.org/irc/irc.cgi to be more precise |
| 17:45.35 | orange | thanks... we'll see if he comes |
| 17:46.36 | SportyGal | Aribeth: hi |
| 17:50.27 | Tupone | JeffM2501: you got my e-mail? |
| 17:51.56 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: The path of osxapp.h has to be relative to project: ../inc/OSX/osxapp.h |
| 17:52.57 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yes I did, thanks |
| 17:53.06 | Tupone | you know, is a skeleton |
| 17:53.10 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, ahh |
| 17:53.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'll look at it after I finish this post |
| 17:53.28 | JeffM2501 | it'll give me a nice starting point |
| 17:58.01 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: After this "prefs.h" should be included in project, too if I am correct. It gives me the following error: http://pastebin.com/267509 |
| 18:01.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah I haven't updated the project with all the files |
| 18:02.01 | JeffM2501 | mac isn't my primary dev platform |
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| 18:08.21 | jpa- | i'm starting to feel it would be easier to whitelist all the good players instead of banning the bad ones :/ |
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| 18:12.12 | ToughShooter | jpa:-v please |
| 18:12.49 | jpa- | .v? |
| 18:12.54 | jpa- | i mean -v? |
| 18:13.37 | ToughShooter | It's usually used when more input is needed. It stands for verbose and is a command line option |
| 18:13.56 | jpa- | aha |
| 18:14.08 | jpa- | so you want me to paste some log to pastebin? ,) |
| 18:15.20 | ToughShooter | Yes ;-) |
| 18:16.00 | ToughShooter | I know some can really make trouble but to ban all except the good ones is a bad approach |
| 18:16.27 | ToughShooter | The bad of the goods are bad again :-p |
| 18:17.01 | prop | how about making the server "registered only"? |
| 18:17.44 | jpa- | i've thought about it |
| 18:19.20 | jpa- | http://www.pastebin.com/267519 |
| 18:23.11 | JeffM2501 | and registerd user to add servers |
| 18:23.22 | jpa- | ~JeffM2501 |
| 18:24.41 | cosmos | jpa: whos making trouble now? |
| 18:26.08 | ToughShooter | jpa-: That looked like a few kids.. and co-admin did tell the truth, you can't say whether he would really give it away based on that comment |
| 18:27.56 | cosmos | yeah |
| 18:28.05 | cosmos | looks like two pimple popping teens to me |
| 18:30.13 | ToughShooter | When I began playing I was bad, of course, and in my memories I wasn't swearing or anything else. I decided to shut up until I got better at playing before saying anything... |
| 18:31.56 | ToughShooter | cosmos: Are there any plans about whitelisting some players? |
| 18:32.25 | cosmos | just plans to blacklist all players |
| 18:32.48 | jpa- | ToughShooter: no he would not |
| 18:33.36 | ToughShooter | I was told by birdie that hepcat would have many problems but I didn't knew it would be that many |
| 18:36.08 | cosmos | we are working on whitelists yes |
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| 18:38.29 | ToughShooter | Using a global usergroup on bzbb and adding some players to it? |
| 18:38.55 | sgk284_ | hello |
| 18:39.13 | ToughShooter | Hi sgk284_ |
| 18:42.55 | jpa- | hi sgk284_ |
| 18:43.25 | sgk284_ | hey jpa- <3 |
| 18:43.27 | sgk284_ | ;) |
| 18:44.32 | jpa- | <3 |
| 18:44.44 | jpa- | a lot of love around me :) |
| 18:45.10 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, going to tie the group into a paypall account? ;) |
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| 18:47.34 | cosmos | would be nice |
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| 18:52.52 | Grumbler | so....anything new? |
| 18:53.03 | jpa- | grubml grubml |
| 18:53.25 | jpa- | yes, i got more memory :) |
| 18:53.43 | Grumbler | i thought that brain transplant would improve your memory |
| 18:53.57 | jpa- | actullay, i stole it from my sister's computer |
| 18:53.57 | Grumbler | does that also imply you have a new video card |
| 18:54.03 | jpa- | nope |
| 18:54.06 | jpa- | tnt2 \o/ |
| 18:54.21 | Grumbler | stealing from your sister is bad karma |
| 18:54.29 | jpa- | noo |
| 18:54.31 | Grumbler | unless she stole from you first |
| 18:54.41 | jpa- | she doesn't use that computer anymore |
| 18:54.48 | jpa- | because it "broke" |
| 18:55.04 | jpa- | her computers always break like that, no part is broken, it just won't boot |
| 18:55.05 | Grumbler | is it "broke" because all the memory is gone ;) |
| 18:55.19 | jpa- | xD |
| 18:56.11 | Grumbler | well, does she keep getting a better machine? |
| 18:56.32 | jpa- | yes :/ |
| 18:56.35 | Grumbler | ....and if so, maybe you should break yours.... |
| 18:57.02 | jpa- | while this time she bought it with her own money (or.. maybe with her boyfriend's money) |
| 18:57.05 | jpa- | :E |
| 18:57.15 | jpa- | they won't give me a new one |
| 18:57.16 | Grumbler | ug, too bad |
| 18:57.39 | jpa- | they just give me some pentium 400MHz and say linux should run fine on it |
| 18:57.46 | Grumbler | smart people |
| 18:59.04 | sgk284_ | lol |
| 19:00.50 | jpa- | and some people wonder why have i become so evil :/ |
| 19:01.52 | jpa- | some day they give me a 386 and say "you can run TI86 emulator on it" |
| 19:03.10 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Heh, even my PPC750FX @ 800MHZ is better :-p |
| 19:03.29 | ToughShooter | but I've got to spend my own money :( |
| 19:03.35 | jpa- | i have an athlon xp 1800MHz.. because i bought it myself |
| 19:03.49 | jpa- | and next to it, i have a Pentium 60MHz |
| 19:04.46 | ToughShooter | Why do you don't trash the old stuff? |
| 19:05.01 | jpa- | why would i? |
| 19:05.06 | jpa- | they can be useful some day |
| 19:05.16 | jpa- | and, i can't yet |
| 19:05.27 | jpa- | that was like my best computer just a few months ago.. |
| 19:07.30 | ToughShooter | It consumes only space. If it would be really useful some day why don't put it into cellar? |
| 19:08.06 | jpa- | what is cellar? |
| 19:08.20 | jpa- | it is the space under house or above house? |
| 19:08.46 | Grumbler | below |
| 19:08.54 | Grumbler | above is attic |
| 19:08.54 | jpa- | ah |
| 19:08.58 | jpa- | too cold there |
| 19:09.03 | jpa- | and too cold in attic too |
| 19:09.08 | Grumbler | crawlspace can be either, but refers to a more cramped space |
| 19:09.35 | ToughShooter | Ah, forgot I was told it would be cold there |
| 19:09.45 | jpa- | yes |
| 19:09.56 | jpa- | for some reason, it is often cold in finland |
| 19:11.10 | ToughShooter | ~weather EDDF |
| 19:11.25 | jpa- | http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/04/05/1428250.shtml?tid=193&tid=172 |
| 19:12.53 | ToughShooter | That's inside a forest...in garden it was pretty warm today :D |
| 19:14.04 | Grumbler | ~weather knak |
| 19:15.42 | jpa- | http://warri1.dyndns.org/lampotila/kuva.php?sensor0=0-AVERAGE-1 |
| 19:15.43 | jpa- | :) |
| 19:15.56 | jpa- | warm |
| 19:16.29 | Grumbler | yep |
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| 19:37.54 | bz4912 | i can't get my game to allow jumping or have anyone jump... any suggestions? |
| 19:38.46 | JeffM2501 | did you set the jump option when you started your server? |
| 19:39.25 | cosmos | dont allow jumping |
| 19:39.28 | cosmos | lame feature anyhow |
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| 19:39.47 | CBG | hi |
| 19:39.59 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 19:40.03 | CBG | nm... |
| 19:40.18 | CBG | still have no idea what to do with pybzedit... |
| 19:40.26 | JeffM2501 | run it |
| 19:40.30 | JeffM2501 | using python |
| 19:40.39 | CBG | yeah... |
| 19:40.47 | CBG | but then what the heck do i do? |
| 19:40.50 | cosmos | heh |
| 19:40.56 | JeffM2501 | edit maps |
| 19:40.58 | JeffM2501 | in the window |
| 19:41.31 | CBG | its just a load of text... |
| 19:41.40 | CBG | in sone kind of text editor type thing... |
| 19:41.43 | CBG | *some |
| 19:41.48 | JeffM2501 | how are you "running" it? |
| 19:41.54 | JeffM2501 | are you just double clicking it? |
| 19:42.03 | CBG | yes.. |
| 19:42.07 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:42.09 | JeffM2501 | no clicky |
| 19:42.11 | JeffM2501 | commandline |
| 19:42.18 | CBG | huh? |
| 19:42.21 | JeffM2501 | run it with the pyython command |
| 19:42.30 | CBG | how? what? lol |
| 19:42.39 | JeffM2501 | you know your terminal |
| 19:42.42 | JeffM2501 | the command line |
| 19:42.43 | CBG | no |
| 19:42.50 | JeffM2501 | it is not an executable program |
| 19:42.59 | JeffM2501 | it is a script for the python scripting system |
| 19:43.08 | CBG | wheres my "terminal" |
| 19:43.12 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:43.13 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 19:43.20 | JeffM2501 | appliactions |
| 19:43.24 | JeffM2501 | probalby utilitys |
| 19:43.36 | JeffM2501 | you know OSX is unixish underneath right? |
| 19:43.47 | CBG | okay... ( i never used anything like python before) |
| 19:43.49 | CBG | YES. |
| 19:43.54 | CBG | (sorry for caps) |
| 19:44.13 | JeffM2501 | map making involves much use of command line applications |
| 19:44.15 | JeffM2501 | run term |
| 19:44.17 | JeffM2501 | type python |
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| 19:44.23 | JeffM2501 | to make sure your path is right |
| 19:45.13 | sgk284_ | what a sin to be sitting on top of such a powerful system and not even knowing where the terminal is :( |
| 19:45.15 | CBG | im on terminal |
| 19:45.19 | CBG | i typed python |
| 19:45.23 | JeffM2501 | hit enter |
| 19:45.26 | JeffM2501 | what did it do? |
| 19:45.27 | CBG | yeah |
| 19:45.37 | CBG | it says what version i have... |
| 19:45.41 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 19:45.55 | CBG | now what? |
| 19:45.55 | JeffM2501 | now type cd then the path to where you have the pybzedit stuff |
| 19:46.04 | sgk284_ | wait |
| 19:46.10 | sgk284_ | to get out of python hit ctrl d |
| 19:46.14 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 19:46.15 | JeffM2501 | do that |
| 19:46.16 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 19:46.19 | CBG | ok |
| 19:46.44 | JeffM2501 | on windows the python files are automaticly associated with the interperter so you can just double click them |
| 19:46.50 | JeffM2501 | but you can run em via command line too |
| 19:46.55 | CBG | there are a few pybzedit files |
| 19:47.06 | CBG | pybzedit .iss .py .pyw |
| 19:47.07 | JeffM2501 | one of them should be the main one |
| 19:47.13 | JeffM2501 | do the py one |
| 19:47.16 | CBG | k |
| 19:47.16 | JeffM2501 | cd to that dir |
| 19:47.24 | JeffM2501 | then type python pybzedit.py |
| 19:47.30 | JeffM2501 | that will run python with that file |
| 19:47.31 | CBG | like: |
| 19:47.46 | CBG | cd:user/folder/file.py |
| 19:47.48 | CBG | ? |
| 19:47.51 | JeffM2501 | space |
| 19:47.58 | JeffM2501 | cd /user/folder/whatever |
| 19:48.02 | CBG | ok |
| 19:48.03 | JeffM2501 | no : |
| 19:48.08 | CBG | :) ty |
| 19:49.49 | CBG | "no such file or directoy" |
| 19:50.06 | CBG | do In need to say cd Mac HD/users/user/so-on |
| 19:50.18 | JeffM2501 | if you do a full path yeah |
| 19:50.26 | CBG | ok |
| 19:50.26 | JeffM2501 | you can do a relitive path |
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| 19:50.41 | JeffM2501 | where did you put the file? |
| 19:50.55 | JeffM2501 | and where is your teminal set to in the file structure now ( do a ls and see ) |
| 19:51.16 | CBG | terminal is in machd/apps/utilities/ |
| 19:51.39 | JeffM2501 | then just do cd ../../user/whatever |
| 19:51.40 | CBG | pybzedit is in/machd/users/user/downloads/pybzedit/file/py |
| 19:51.52 | CBG | i am trying |
| 19:52.08 | CBG | cd /Macintosh HD/Users/James/Downloads/pyBzEdit/pyBzEdit.py |
| 19:52.13 | CBG | is anything wrong eith that? |
| 19:52.14 | CBG | *with |
| 19:52.30 | JeffM2501 | don't know your system |
| 19:52.32 | JeffM2501 | so dono |
| 19:52.36 | JeffM2501 | you can do it in little steps too |
| 19:52.39 | JeffM2501 | do cd ../ |
| 19:52.41 | JeffM2501 | to go up one level |
| 19:52.45 | CBG | k. one sec |
| 19:52.49 | JeffM2501 | then cd foldername to go into a folder |
| 19:52.49 | CBG | think i had a typo |
| 19:52.57 | JeffM2501 | that may help you figure out where you are |
| 19:53.00 | CBG | no... |
| 19:53.05 | CBG | ill do it the baby way |
| 19:53.45 | CBG | wont even open the HD |
| 19:53.52 | CBG | wait |
| 19:53.59 | ToughShooter | night |
| 19:54.01 | CBG | i put in cd /macintosh hd/ |
| 19:54.09 | CBG | but it said "cant find /macintosh |
| 19:54.17 | CBG | it doesnt recognise spaces.... |
| 19:54.31 | prop | CBG, you should be able to do 'cd /Mac[tab]' |
| 19:54.48 | JeffM2501 | it's allso going to be CASE senttive |
| 19:54.51 | JeffM2501 | welcome to unix :) |
| 19:54.52 | sgk284_ | cbg, unix tends to (always is?) case sensitive |
| 19:55.13 | CBG | Jeff" i know its case sensitive, but what do i do bout the spaces? |
| 19:55.24 | CBG | prop: what? lol |
| 19:55.27 | sgk284_ | quotes usually help |
| 19:55.29 | CBG | sgk: i know... |
| 19:55.32 | JeffM2501 | it should support them |
| 19:55.41 | CBG | spaces? |
| 19:55.43 | sgk284_ | JeffM2501, not if they are outside of quotes |
| 19:55.49 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:55.52 | prop | CBG, tab-completion |
| 19:55.52 | sgk284_ | how else would you pass arguments? |
| 19:55.53 | JeffM2501 | that's kinda sad |
| 19:56.01 | JeffM2501 | cd dosn't take arguments :) |
| 19:56.03 | CBG | prop: i ahve no idea what you on bout... |
| 19:56.15 | sgk284_ | true |
| 19:56.16 | JeffM2501 | CBG, just do it reltive |
| 19:56.28 | JeffM2501 | cd ../../users/James/whatever |
| 19:56.36 | CBG | with dots? |
| 19:56.37 | CBG | ... |
| 19:56.38 | CBG | ? |
| 19:56.41 | JeffM2501 | you only have one drive right? |
| 19:56.49 | CBG | yeah |
| 19:56.57 | JeffM2501 | then you are allready on the right drive |
| 19:57.00 | JeffM2501 | no need to change to it |
| 19:57.03 | CBG | so? |
| 19:57.05 | JeffM2501 | so just do cd .. |
| 19:57.09 | JeffM2501 | that will take you up one dir |
| 19:57.11 | CBG | cd /users/....... ? |
| 19:57.13 | JeffM2501 | then do that again |
| 19:57.14 | JeffM2501 | NO |
| 19:57.18 | JeffM2501 | cd .. |
| 19:57.26 | JeffM2501 | the .. means "go up one dir" |
| 19:57.27 | CBG | just put "cd" ? |
| 19:57.30 | CBG | oh ok |
| 19:57.32 | JeffM2501 | and 2 dots |
| 19:57.40 | CBG | nooo |
| 19:57.41 | sgk284_ | just putting cd will take you home |
| 19:57.42 | CBG | i did it once |
| 19:57.44 | CBG | and it worked |
| 19:57.52 | JeffM2501 | where are you now? |
| 19:57.55 | sgk284_ | cbg, type pwd |
| 19:57.58 | CBG | nwait |
| 19:58.01 | JeffM2501 | don't mess with him |
| 19:58.08 | CBG | Guys |
| 19:58.15 | CBG | whats pwd do anyway? |
| 19:58.19 | *** join/#bzflag |zongo| (~zongo@80-218-207-188.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:58.21 | JeffM2501 | changes your password |
| 19:58.21 | prop | show where you are |
| 19:58.28 | CBG | lol |
| 19:58.30 | JeffM2501 | where are you now? |
| 19:58.38 | CBG | i think im in my account |
| 19:58.43 | sgk284_ | no pwd shows your current directory |
| 19:58.46 | CBG | but cd .. wont work nemore. |
| 19:58.51 | CBG | sgk, shut up |
| 19:59.03 | JeffM2501 | then you are at the top |
| 19:59.04 | CBG | aww great. now hustle is on. |
| 19:59.05 | JeffM2501 | go down |
| 19:59.05 | sgk284_ | ~pwd |
| 19:59.07 | ibot | i guess pwd is $pwd |
| 19:59.12 | CBG | how? |
| 19:59.15 | JeffM2501 | cd users |
| 19:59.22 | JeffM2501 | cd James |
| 19:59.28 | JeffM2501 | do each dir seperate |
| 19:59.37 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c121-p065.vtx.ch) |
| 19:59.38 | CBG | ok |
| 19:59.38 | JeffM2501 | learn to walk the FS :) |
| 19:59.38 | CBG | thanks |
| 19:59.43 | CBG | FS? |
| 19:59.49 | JeffM2501 | File System |
| 20:00.04 | JeffM2501 | you realy should learn how to use your computer like this if your going to make maps |
| 20:00.12 | CBG | ok... |
| 20:00.15 | JeffM2501 | bzflag has unix roots |
| 20:00.21 | CBG | i just need to learn the commands. then ill be fine ;) |
| 20:00.25 | JeffM2501 | little is "click and go" |
| 20:00.27 | CBG | I taught myself HTML, CSS... |
| 20:00.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you did |
| 20:00.35 | CBG | hehe |
| 20:00.47 | sgk284_ | cbg, are you by any chance proficient with any text editors? i.e. vim or emacs or something else |
| 20:00.48 | JeffM2501 | I taught myself C++ and openGL |
| 20:00.59 | sgk284_ | it'll help |
| 20:01.08 | CBG | lol.... ummm... no. |
| 20:01.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can make a script |
| 20:01.14 | JeffM2501 | that can launch it |
| 20:01.29 | JeffM2501 | or make the python file executable |
| 20:01.38 | CBG | woah |
| 20:01.38 | JeffM2501 | tho you still have to get there in the FS :) |
| 20:01.40 | CBG | slow down. |
| 20:01.48 | CBG | ils till trying to open pybzedit |
| 20:01.49 | CBG | lol |
| 20:01.52 | JeffM2501 | speed up ;) |
| 20:01.56 | CBG | Grr |
| 20:01.59 | CBG | hustle is on... |
| 20:02.17 | sgk284_ | cbg, most likely the python script begins with #/usr/bin/python, so if you find the file and run "chmod u+x <filename>" you should then be abel to just double click on it |
| 20:02.23 | CBG | im in the folder/directory |
| 20:02.28 | CBG | sgk: WHAT???? |
| 20:02.35 | CBG | how do I open the file now? |
| 20:02.35 | sgk284_ | nevermind... we'll get tehre later |
| 20:02.36 | JeffM2501 | just run it CLI first |
| 20:02.37 | sgk284_ | there* |
| 20:02.44 | CBG | what??? |
| 20:02.45 | JeffM2501 | just type python pybzedit.py |
| 20:02.51 | JeffM2501 | make sure it works |
| 20:03.01 | CBG | ok |
| 20:03.01 | JeffM2501 | then we can get you a clicky thing |
| 20:03.07 | sgk284_ | cbg, ignore me ...i'm jumping ahead |
| 20:03.13 | CBG | sgk: i am. |
| 20:03.16 | sgk284_ | lol |
| 20:03.28 | CBG | JeffM, i did the thing to open it |
| 20:03.33 | CBG | and nothing has happened |
| 20:03.36 | CBG | which is good right? |
| 20:03.41 | CBG | theres no error msg... |
| 20:03.44 | JeffM2501 | it make take a while to launch the window |
| 20:03.49 | CBG | a new window? |
| 20:03.54 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:04.01 | JeffM2501 | it should open a 3d window |
| 20:04.05 | JeffM2501 | with the editor in it |
| 20:04.07 | CBG | wait |
| 20:04.09 | CBG | it says: |
| 20:04.10 | CBG | This program needs access to the screen. Please run with 'pythonw', |
| 20:04.11 | CBG | not 'python', and only when you are logged in on the main display of |
| 20:04.11 | CBG | your Mac. |
| 20:04.17 | CBG | wtf? |
| 20:04.20 | sgk284_ | do what it says |
| 20:04.20 | JeffM2501 | ok then do that |
| 20:04.34 | JeffM2501 | pythonw pybzflag.py |
| 20:04.37 | CBG | whats pythonw ? |
| 20:04.39 | JeffM2501 | it's saying it has to draw |
| 20:04.39 | CBG | oh ok |
| 20:04.52 | JeffM2501 | a version of the python interpeter that allows access to the aqua desktop |
| 20:04.53 | CBG | YEAH!! |
| 20:04.57 | CBG | thanks :D |
| 20:05.01 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 20:05.04 | sgk284_ | lol |
| 20:05.12 | CBG | im in!!!! |
| 20:05.47 | sgk284_ | i was thinking it'd fail because of that |
| 20:05.47 | JeffM2501 | he did the dependencys yesterday |
| 20:05.51 | sgk284_ | oh okay |
| 20:05.54 | CBG | okay... |
| 20:06.08 | CBG | now I go: Edit>Insert>... |
| 20:06.10 | CBG | right? |
| 20:06.14 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 20:06.20 | JeffM2501 | don't use pybzedit |
| 20:06.23 | CBG | theres no visual.... |
| 20:06.26 | CBG | no images... |
| 20:06.29 | CBG | should ther be? |
| 20:06.31 | JeffM2501 | I find it kind ugly |
| 20:06.36 | JeffM2501 | open a map first |
| 20:06.42 | JeffM2501 | see how it looks |
| 20:06.43 | CBG | ok |
| 20:07.32 | CBG | whenever i click in the pybzedit window, stuff is coming up in terminal |
| 20:07.41 | sgk284_ | thats fine |
| 20:07.41 | JeffM2501 | and that stuff says? |
| 20:07.51 | sgk284_ | its probably debugging output |
| 20:07.54 | CBG | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 20:07.54 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.54 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.55 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.55 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.58 | CBG | NameError: global name 'glSelectBuffer' is not defined |
| 20:08.01 | CBG | stuff like that! |
| 20:08.03 | sgk284_ | oh wait thats bad |
| 20:08.06 | JeffM2501 | your missing GL |
| 20:08.11 | JeffM2501 | did you install all the libs? |
| 20:08.16 | JeffM2501 | pyOpenGL? |
| 20:08.18 | CBG | i thought so,... |
| 20:08.21 | CBG | 1 sec |
| 20:08.22 | JeffM2501 | in adition to numeric? |
| 20:08.28 | sgk284_ | darn dependencies :/ |
| 20:09.10 | CBG | I ahve pyOpenGL... dono if i instaklled it |
| 20:09.15 | sgk284_ | lol |
| 20:09.46 | JeffM2501 | well things need to be instaklled to work |
| 20:09.57 | CBG | i have numeric too... dunno if i installed that either. |
| 20:10.03 | CBG | okay |
| 20:10.10 | JeffM2501 | just having a file dosn't make it magicly work |
| 20:10.20 | CBG | I know..... Guys, can I leave it for a bit... |
| 20:10.29 | CBG | Hustle is on and im missing it... |
| 20:10.35 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 20:10.38 | CBG | Ill carry on later or tomorow... |
| 20:10.43 | sgk284_ | heh good to see such dedication ;) |
| 20:10.44 | CBG | Hustle: best show on tv. |
| 20:10.45 | JeffM2501 | we are not prventing you form doing anything |
| 20:10.49 | CBG | good |
| 20:10.50 | JeffM2501 | no firefly is |
| 20:10.52 | CBG | thanks. |
| 20:10.54 | sgk284_ | yea cbg, do as you please :) |
| 20:11.01 | CBG | cya all later then :D |
| 20:11.30 | CBG | bye |
| 20:12.02 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, why is curl better then Libwww ? |
| 20:12.31 | Tupone | have you read the libcurl advocacy? |
| 20:12.40 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:12.45 | JeffM2501 | didn't know it was a religon |
| 20:12.50 | JeffM2501 | thought it was a lib |
| 20:13.03 | sgk284_ | hahaha |
| 20:13.13 | sgk284_ | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 20:13.14 | JeffM2501 | do I get a funny hat if I use libCurl? |
| 20:13.16 | Tupone | http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/competitors.html |
| 20:13.23 | JeffM2501 | or some sort of salvation? |
| 20:14.13 | sgk284_ | tupone, i question the credibility of the source and the intentions of those who wrote that ;) |
| 20:14.35 | JeffM2501 | gee thats not the most objective set of comments on other libs IS IT? :) |
| 20:14.35 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:14.53 | sgk284_ | a) its on libcurl's site, b) they spelt caching as cashing as in cash not cache |
| 20:15.03 | sgk284_ | :/ |
| 20:15.19 | Tupone | however, I think libcurl is easiest to use |
| 20:15.27 | sgk284_ | k |
| 20:15.37 | sgk284_ | libcurl *is* pretty easy |
| 20:15.44 | sgk284_ | never used libwww |
| 20:16.02 | JeffM2501 | it is, I'm worried that it may be TOO easy |
| 20:16.16 | Tupone | multi is easy too |
| 20:16.30 | JeffM2501 | well I was hoping for something that would do it's own thread |
| 20:16.30 | Tupone | easy is easy :) |
| 20:16.31 | sgk284_ | JeffM2501, do you foresee some complex behavior that bzflag will need in the future? |
| 20:16.36 | JeffM2501 | multi is a push inteface |
| 20:17.01 | JeffM2501 | sgk284 I'd like to see it use one lib for all it's HTTP acceess, and I see it doing more HTTP |
| 20:17.09 | JeffM2501 | and b) who said I was talking about bzflag :) |
| 20:17.17 | sgk284_ | heh true |
| 20:17.24 | Tupone | for the client I have put the "perform" on the rendering loop |
| 20:17.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what bugs me |
| 20:17.41 | Tupone | the things to be done are supposed to be in the object |
| 20:17.44 | JeffM2501 | we have to tie it into the push loop |
| 20:18.00 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see it go into the message system |
| 20:18.02 | Tupone | but I think we can put there and forget |
| 20:18.10 | JeffM2501 | where you get notification of a transfer event |
| 20:18.17 | Tupone | on the object |
| 20:18.26 | JeffM2501 | object? |
| 20:18.29 | JeffM2501 | like world object? |
| 20:18.36 | Tupone | cURLManager method |
| 20:18.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:18.56 | JeffM2501 | I'd liek to see that report to the bzEvent manager |
| 20:18.57 | Tupone | I'd create a variable for each transfer |
| 20:19.00 | JeffM2501 | and send high level events |
| 20:19.17 | JeffM2501 | saying "transfer is done, here is the pointer to the object of it" |
| 20:19.24 | *** join/#bzflag theEnemy (~jifl@cpc3-cmbg5-3-0-cust28.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:19.46 | Tupone | my idea is that you customize the CURLManager object with their own method and use those to get notification |
| 20:20.00 | Tupone | customize -> derive |
| 20:20.01 | JeffM2501 | I'd not derive each time |
| 20:20.07 | JeffM2501 | I'd make a "callback" class |
| 20:20.14 | JeffM2501 | that is derived |
| 20:20.22 | JeffM2501 | and then passed into the manager singleton |
| 20:20.30 | JeffM2501 | to be called when the job is done |
| 20:20.42 | JeffM2501 | then one curl singleton can manage all posible jobs |
| 20:20.51 | JeffM2501 | WITHOUT any statics |
| 20:21.02 | Tupone | I want to make several transfer together |
| 20:21.08 | JeffM2501 | you can |
| 20:21.18 | JeffM2501 | each job sends in it's own callbker |
| 20:21.28 | JeffM2501 | thent he manager does it's thing each loop |
| 20:21.34 | JeffM2501 | on as many jobs as it has |
| 20:21.52 | Tupone | I think your and mine are 2 different way to do basically the same thing |
| 20:22.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah 2 sides of the same coin :) |
| 20:22.16 | Tupone | well, you have the callback outside of the object |
| 20:22.21 | Tupone | I have inside |
| 20:22.27 | JeffM2501 | I have the callback AS a new object |
| 20:22.42 | JeffM2501 | each callback dosn't need all the lib curl code |
| 20:22.50 | Tupone | object -> cURLManager |
| 20:22.53 | JeffM2501 | it makes the derived code smaller |
| 20:23.05 | JeffM2501 | yes I got that from you |
| 20:23.15 | JeffM2501 | I say use one curlManager as a singleton |
| 20:23.20 | Tupone | I don't copy the code. Code is reused |
| 20:23.23 | JeffM2501 | and one pure virtual callback class |
| 20:23.27 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:23.33 | JeffM2501 | in the end they work the same |
| 20:23.44 | Tupone | eheh, yeah |
| 20:23.47 | JeffM2501 | to me just passing in a callback class is cleaner to read |
| 20:23.53 | JeffM2501 | and easyer to follow |
| 20:24.03 | JeffM2501 | "pass this in, it gets called when its done" |
| 20:24.23 | JeffM2501 | also multiple derevations don't allow a single place to look at all transfers |
| 20:24.26 | JeffM2501 | in OUR code |
| 20:24.37 | orange | someone who has looked at sportchick's jitter please come to hepcat and follow siiiiiiii |
| 20:24.42 | Tupone | what I was thinking is also that sometime the same url is reused, like we do for : get the time of the file, if is new start the whole transfer |
| 20:25.11 | Tupone | and I will stay with all the logic in a derivation from cURLManager |
| 20:25.12 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, you'd also want some single place to track all transferd bandwith and stuff like that, or maybe limit concurrent connections |
| 20:25.37 | orange | forgot to say please :-) |
| 20:25.41 | JeffM2501 | if you spread out the transfers in multiple object instances, it's harder for them to cross talk |
| 20:26.01 | Tupone | yeah, probably |
| 20:26.27 | Tupone | even if we could make a static method to do that measurement |
| 20:26.31 | JeffM2501 | but a singleton wiht a callback object, gets you the ease of derivation, and the power of a single URL management class that knows of all transfers |
| 20:26.35 | JeffM2501 | statics are ugly |
| 20:26.45 | JeffM2501 | remember I'm trying to get people to CLEAN the code :) |
| 20:27.10 | Tupone | I hate singleton, specially if it is made with STL :( |
| 20:27.25 | JeffM2501 | we have many singletons |
| 20:27.28 | JeffM2501 | they work very well |
| 20:27.29 | Tupone | I know |
| 20:27.33 | JeffM2501 | texture manager is one |
| 20:27.38 | Tupone | but I have trouble debugging |
| 20:27.56 | JeffM2501 | if they call "getInstance" every operator |
| 20:27.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:27.59 | Tupone | STL does not give enough info to gdb |
| 20:28.02 | JeffM2501 | I allways make a refrence |
| 20:28.07 | JeffM2501 | then it works a lot better |
| 20:28.24 | JeffM2501 | but a lacking in tools should not define a messyer design |
| 20:28.35 | JeffM2501 | and a lack of features |
| 20:28.37 | Tupone | but I cannot work without tool |
| 20:28.58 | JeffM2501 | maybe find the problem in the singleton |
| 20:29.09 | JeffM2501 | but as allways is here, you do what you wish |
| 20:29.18 | JeffM2501 | and fewwer people make changes |
| 20:29.41 | JeffM2501 | does brlcad know of your problems with his singleton stuff? |
| 20:30.00 | Tupone | prolly |
| 20:30.09 | Tupone | but that is for all the STL |
| 20:30.10 | JeffM2501 | so you don't know? |
| 20:30.22 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the singleton stuff we use is his code, not STL |
| 20:30.26 | |zongo| | sry as anyone here problem with ares_name command? |
| 20:30.35 | Tupone | nope |
| 20:30.40 | Tupone | what kind of problem |
| 20:30.41 | JeffM2501 | it's a template sure |
| 20:30.43 | JeffM2501 | but not STL |
| 20:30.51 | JeffM2501 | you mean templates in general dont work well? |
| 20:30.53 | Tupone | STL -> template |
| 20:30.55 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:30.56 | |zongo| | i cant build 2.0.3 on MacOSX |
| 20:30.58 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 20:31.06 | JeffM2501 | ok so, no singleton |
| 20:31.08 | JeffM2501 | one global :) |
| 20:31.14 | JeffM2501 | same design still applys |
| 20:31.18 | JeffM2501 | one manager |
| 20:31.20 | JeffM2501 | used by all |
| 20:31.21 | JeffM2501 | etc..... |
| 20:31.32 | Tupone | singleton is template, if we don't do with STL I can manage |
| 20:31.38 | Tupone | STL -> template |
| 20:31.40 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:31.54 | JeffM2501 | a pure global IS a non template singleton :) |
| 20:31.57 | Tupone | |zongo|: can you update from cvs? |
| 20:32.12 | |zongo| | Tupone, yes |
| 20:32.17 | JeffM2501 | wonder why templates don't work in GCC? |
| 20:32.31 | JeffM2501 | I never have problems with them |
| 20:32.38 | JeffM2501 | in the compiler of evil |
| 20:32.45 | Tupone | they work great, just don't give enough info to gdb |
| 20:32.55 | JeffM2501 | that means G3D would be horible for you |
| 20:33.04 | Tupone | |zongo|: I updated a while a go |
| 20:33.12 | Tupone | possibly :( |
| 20:33.21 | JeffM2501 | has anyone fixed gdb or what ever isn't doing the right stuff? |
| 20:33.24 | Tupone | horrible to gdb |
| 20:33.26 | JeffM2501 | I mean we are in the 21st here |
| 20:33.35 | JeffM2501 | one should be able to debug a template |
| 20:33.51 | Tupone | dunno, I have to retest with new version |
| 20:35.29 | |zongo| | Tupone, args..i cant update from cvs... |
| 20:36.31 | Tupone | and then JeffM2501, c++ is not my primary language, so any big langauger feature, I need to digest |
| 20:36.41 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:36.46 | JeffM2501 | what is your primary? |
| 20:36.53 | JeffM2501 | and I never asked, what do you do for a living? |
| 20:37.15 | Tupone | Ada |
| 20:37.24 | JeffM2501 | serious? |
| 20:37.29 | Tupone | even if I'm not programming anymore |
| 20:38.12 | Tupone | serious |
| 20:38.15 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 20:38.19 | JeffM2501 | what do you do? |
| 20:38.22 | JeffM2501 | if I may ask |
| 20:38.31 | Tupone | I see people programming :) |
| 20:39.04 | Tupone | Radar and attached things |
| 20:39.16 | Tupone | mainly connected things |
| 20:39.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:39.30 | JeffM2501 | my father runs a radar test range for military parts |
| 20:39.53 | Tupone | Well, I work for defence too |
| 20:39.59 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:39.59 | Tupone | but I'm civil |
| 20:40.00 | JeffM2501 | you like it? |
| 20:40.05 | JeffM2501 | my dad is too |
| 20:40.09 | JeffM2501 | he works for locheed |
| 20:40.18 | Tupone | aww |
| 20:40.31 | Tupone | I worked there for my company |
| 20:40.48 | Tupone | well, not cali, Syracuse (NY) |
| 20:41.14 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 20:41.29 | JeffM2501 | at least they send you traveling |
| 20:41.32 | JeffM2501 | that must be nice |
| 20:43.41 | Tupone | yeah, I went recently there Syracuse, but I could get in touch neither with learner nor with orchid |
| 20:43.49 | Tupone | not |
| 20:43.55 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 20:44.07 | JeffM2501 | I have meet learner, never the mighty orchid |
| 20:44.11 | Tupone | I was middle way, but too far from both |
| 20:45.41 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~aec@orchid.user) |
| 20:48.00 | sgk284_ | hey orchid |
| 20:48.07 | orchid | hello |
| 20:48.43 | JeffM2501 | that was wierd |
| 20:48.52 | JeffM2501 | so all we ahve to do is say her name and she appears? |
| 20:50.19 | sgk284_ | lol |
| 20:50.31 | Tupone | hehe |
| 20:50.34 | Tupone | the mighty |
| 20:50.39 | JeffM2501 | the mighty |
| 20:52.18 | orchid | :) |
| 20:53.02 | JeffM2501 | how is the B.A.D. working out? |
| 20:53.16 | orchid | hehe |
| 20:53.21 | orchid | its great |
| 20:54.06 | JeffM2501 | I am soo on the edge of geting one |
| 20:55.02 | JeffM2501 | it has all the ports right? |
| 20:55.45 | sgk284_ | anyone here ever use synergy? |
| 20:55.57 | sgk284_ | its an amazing little piece of software :) |
| 20:56.08 | sgk284_ | ~synergy |
| 20:56.10 | ibot | hmm... synergy is Gemma, or a KM program (think KVM without any video), see http://synergy2.sourceforge.net |
| 20:58.00 | JeffM2501 | dosn't the B.A.D. have picture in a picture as well? |
| 20:58.06 | orchid | JeffM2501: yep, I have an empty vga port |
| 20:58.19 | JeffM2501 | all ports must be filled |
| 20:58.22 | JeffM2501 | this is paramount |
| 20:58.23 | orchid | heh |
| 20:58.32 | JeffM2501 | it's there |
| 20:58.35 | JeffM2501 | calling to you |
| 20:58.37 | JeffM2501 | in the night |
| 20:58.44 | orchid | yes and pip but I have no cable tv nor console games |
| 20:58.55 | orchid | I could hook the vcr in though |
| 20:59.04 | JeffM2501 | or dvd |
| 20:59.04 | orchid | or a dvd player which I dont have |
| 20:59.12 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:59.14 | JeffM2501 | you don't own a dvd player? |
| 20:59.21 | orchid | no |
| 20:59.21 | JeffM2501 | how do you watch movies? |
| 20:59.23 | orchid | I gave it to my brother |
| 20:59.28 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:59.35 | orchid | I watch them with the computewrs dvd plaer |
| 20:59.38 | JeffM2501 | they are cheap |
| 20:59.48 | JeffM2501 | target had one for like 38$ |
| 21:00.00 | orchid | hehe |
| 21:00.09 | JeffM2501 | or you need the mini |
| 21:00.26 | creeperz | or any P2P network access :-D |
| 21:00.33 | CBG | im back... |
| 21:00.37 | JeffM2501 | we see |
| 21:00.40 | CBG | hehe |
| 21:00.42 | creeperz | ah |
| 21:00.44 | creeperz | its cabbage |
| 21:00.57 | CBG | so i need to install numeric and pyOpenGL? |
| 21:01.03 | CBG | creeperz, LOL |
| 21:01.03 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 21:01.07 | CBG | ok :D |
| 21:01.08 | JeffM2501 | that is why you downloaded them |
| 21:01.11 | CBG | lol. kk |
| 21:01.13 | JeffM2501 | isn't it? |
| 21:01.24 | CBG | do i need to run them from python? |
| 21:01.30 | JeffM2501 | read there instructions |
| 21:02.17 | CBG | the numeric readme only says how to install on windows or how to build from source. |
| 21:02.24 | |zongo| | sry i have an error when building 2.0.3 |
| 21:02.31 | |zongo| | here is the error: |
| 21:02.34 | |zongo| | ares_gethostbyname.c: In function `next_lookup': |
| 21:02.34 | |zongo| | ares_gethostbyname.c:109: error: `C_IN' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:02.34 | |zongo| | ares_gethostbyname.c:109: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 21:02.34 | |zongo| | ares_gethostbyname.c:109: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 21:02.34 | |zongo| | ares_gethostbyname.c:109: error: `T_A' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:02.34 | |zongo| | make[2]: *** [ares_gethostbyname.o] Error 1 |
| 21:02.36 | |zongo| | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 21:02.38 | |zongo| | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 21:02.44 | |zongo| | thank you for help :-) |
| 21:02.56 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 21:03.02 | |zongo| | MacOSX |
| 21:03.20 | JeffM2501 | did you run autogen after you got current source? |
| 21:03.23 | JeffM2501 | or just configure? |
| 21:03.29 | |zongo| | i did autogen |
| 21:03.33 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:03.46 | JeffM2501 | that'd be a tupone or a brlcad thing then |
| 21:04.17 | |zongo| | ok |
| 21:04.36 | Tupone | |zongo|: you could change by yourself or wait for the cvs propagation |
| 21:05.07 | Tupone | sono piccoli cambiamenti |
| 21:05.16 | |zongo| | di che tipo? |
| 21:05.30 | Tupone | aggiungi la stessa linea di codice :) |
| 21:05.47 | JeffM2501 | CBG, dono your going to have to figure out how to install them, did you get the mac packages for them? |
| 21:05.58 | CBG | as far as i remember. |
| 21:06.05 | CBG | gimme a sec |
| 21:06.11 | JeffM2501 | then one woudl think they would have mac instructions |
| 21:06.20 | Tupone | #include <arpa/nameser.h> |
| 21:06.21 | Tupone | #include <arpa/nameser_compat.h> |
| 21:06.36 | Tupone | |zongo|: where you find nameser.h add nameser_compat.h |
| 21:06.37 | CBG | JeffM2501:Numeric does not seem to... |
| 21:06.42 | |zongo| | ok |
| 21:06.51 | JeffM2501 | CBG then you'll have to ask them |
| 21:07.00 | Tupone | at least in the file that give compilation problem |
| 21:07.02 | |zongo| | grazie Tupone :O) |
| 21:07.34 | CBG | JeffM: Im trying a few things... |
| 21:07.38 | CBG | gimme a min |
| 21:08.36 | CBG | Okay. In the numeric folder is a file called setup.py , i tried to oepn this in python, it says: |
| 21:08.42 | CBG | usage: setup.py [global_opts] cmd1 [cmd1_opts] [cmd2 [cmd2_opts] ...] |
| 21:08.42 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.43 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.43 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.43 | CBG | error: no commands supplied |
| 21:08.50 | JeffM2501 | then do what it says :) |
| 21:08.55 | CBG | which is? |
| 21:09.01 | JeffM2501 | one of those help commands |
| 21:09.05 | JeffM2501 | to get a command list |
| 21:09.25 | CBG | ummm.... how? |
| 21:09.42 | JeffM2501 | ummm just like it showd you with --help |
| 21:09.48 | JeffM2501 | or cmd --help |
| 21:09.55 | JeffM2501 | see those examples? |
| 21:09.58 | CBG | ok. :) lol |
| 21:09.59 | CBG | thnks |
| 21:10.12 | JeffM2501 | that is why they put them in the message |
| 21:10.43 | CBG | um.. it doesnt say how to install or anything |
| 21:10.57 | CBG | just tells me what to type to find out the authors name, rul, etc.... |
| 21:11.01 | CBG | \*url not rul |
| 21:11.04 | JeffM2501 | then I'd ask em |
| 21:11.09 | JeffM2501 | we didn't make numieric |
| 21:11.17 | CBG | i know... ok |
| 21:11.41 | JeffM2501 | probably have to build it from source |
| 21:11.52 | CBG | nnooo |
| 21:11.55 | CBG | :( |
| 21:12.05 | CBG | im sure hand coding is gonna be easier. :( |
| 21:12.11 | JeffM2501 | then have at it |
| 21:12.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it'll be amazing |
| 21:12.49 | CBG | </sarcasm> |
| 21:12.55 | CBG | there. i did it for you JeffM. |
| 21:12.59 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:13.26 | CBG | lol |
| 21:13.42 | CBG | Anyone know the tank's dimensions or where I can find them? |
| 21:13.51 | JeffM2501 | exact? |
| 21:13.53 | JeffM2501 | or about? |
| 21:14.05 | CBG | as close as you have... |
| 21:14.17 | JeffM2501 | 1 sec |
| 21:14.21 | CBG | thanks. |
| 21:14.56 | JeffM2501 | x goes from -3.1 to 4.94 |
| 21:15.03 | JeffM2501 | y goes +- 1.4 |
| 21:15.12 | JeffM2501 | Z goes from 0 to 2.08 |
| 21:15.36 | CBG | so y goes from -1.4 to +1.4 ? |
| 21:15.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah so its 8.04 long 2.8 wide and 2.08 high |
| 21:16.01 | CBG | ok. thanks. |
| 21:16.44 | JeffM2501 | may be slightly longer with treads enabled |
| 21:16.56 | CBG | hmm. ok :) |
| 21:17.14 | JeffM2501 | thats only from the basic hightank |
| 21:17.23 | CBG | hightank ? |
| 21:17.36 | JeffM2501 | the tank used for the highest res LOD |
| 21:17.43 | CBG | ok. |
| 21:17.57 | CBG | And the positioning is all relative to the center of the map? |
| 21:18.18 | JeffM2501 | for objects? |
| 21:18.22 | CBG | yeah |
| 21:18.24 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:18.29 | JeffM2501 | that is the origin |
| 21:18.35 | CBG | :D thought so. thanks. |
| 21:19.55 | CBG | Do you know how high a tank usually jumps by deafult? |
| 21:20.18 | JeffM2501 | 18 is usualy the max |
| 21:20.23 | JeffM2501 | but those jumps are very hard |
| 21:20.39 | CBG | ok. so, a normal kind of height would be 15? |
| 21:20.41 | JeffM2501 | 15 is usualy the bigest people go and expet to have players make it |
| 21:20.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:20.45 | CBG | ok. thanks. |
| 21:25.04 | CBG | Now... All I need to do is get a server running to test this... Grr |
| 21:25.32 | JeffM2501 | bzfs -world YOUR_MAP_FILE.bzw |
| 21:25.45 | CBG | huh? |
| 21:26.00 | JeffM2501 | that is how you run a server with your map |
| 21:26.37 | CBG | ok... but I need bzfs... |
| 21:26.51 | CBG | and I need to find out bout the router and how to open a port on it... |
| 21:26.54 | JeffM2501 | you have it |
| 21:27.03 | JeffM2501 | if you are just testing you don't need it public |
| 21:27.04 | CBG | same with the firewall |
| 21:27.12 | CBG | oh. |
| 21:27.21 | CBG | so I can test my map right here right now? |
| 21:27.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:27.33 | JeffM2501 | bzfs is inside your bzflag.app |
| 21:27.49 | CBG | in the program or in its directory? |
| 21:27.57 | JeffM2501 | the thing you click now |
| 21:27.59 | JeffM2501 | is not a program |
| 21:28.04 | JeffM2501 | but a special directory |
| 21:28.13 | CBG | okok... how do I open it? |
| 21:28.15 | JeffM2501 | it's real name ends in .app |
| 21:28.18 | JeffM2501 | with the command line |
| 21:28.26 | CBG | awww. |
| 21:28.31 | JeffM2501 | in there are dirs with the programs |
| 21:28.32 | CBG | ok.... |
| 21:28.37 | JeffM2501 | and all the data |
| 21:28.49 | CBG | Im not understanding a lot of what your saying... |
| 21:29.02 | CBG | remember, I know sod all about this kind of thing. |
| 21:29.08 | CBG | i use terminal? |
| 21:29.08 | JeffM2501 | cd /Applications/BZFlag 2.0.0.app/core/osx/ |
| 21:29.11 | CBG | ok |
| 21:29.13 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:29.20 | JeffM2501 | hence why I said you would want to learn about it |
| 21:29.27 | JeffM2501 | if your app is named difrently |
| 21:29.32 | JeffM2501 | then replace the name |
| 21:29.35 | CBG | ok. :) |
| 21:31.04 | CBG | it cant finde 'core' in bzflag.app... |
| 21:31.16 | JeffM2501 | do a ls |
| 21:31.20 | JeffM2501 | see what is there |
| 21:32.04 | CBG | ls? |
| 21:32.15 | JeffM2501 | ls |
| 21:32.18 | JeffM2501 | cd up to that part |
| 21:32.19 | CBG | ok... |
| 21:32.24 | CBG | i did it |
| 21:32.24 | JeffM2501 | just like before |
| 21:32.28 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 21:32.34 | CBG | it just says "Contents" then theres nothing there... |
| 21:32.40 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:32.41 | JeffM2501 | go in there |
| 21:32.44 | JeffM2501 | see what there is |
| 21:32.47 | CBG | contents? |
| 21:32.58 | JeffM2501 | well if that is all there is |
| 21:32.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:33.06 | JeffM2501 | is there anywhere else to go? |
| 21:33.08 | CBG | says: Frameworks Info.plist MacOS PkgInfo Resources |
| 21:33.14 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:33.29 | JeffM2501 | then macOS |
| 21:33.50 | CBG | k |
| 21:34.05 | CBG | did ls, says:bzadmin bzflag bzfs |
| 21:34.08 | CBG | so now bzfs? |
| 21:34.13 | JeffM2501 | that is not a dir |
| 21:34.16 | JeffM2501 | that is a program |
| 21:34.19 | CBG | ok |
| 21:34.20 | JeffM2501 | run it |
| 21:34.24 | JeffM2501 | with -world |
| 21:34.30 | JeffM2501 | then your file |
| 21:34.34 | CBG | python bzfs -world... ? |
| 21:34.37 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:34.47 | JeffM2501 | why would bzflag have ANYTHING to do with python? |
| 21:35.15 | CBG | i dunno |
| 21:35.15 | CBG | last time i had to RUN something i had to do that |
| 21:35.15 | CBG | how do I RUN this? |
| 21:35.18 | JeffM2501 | just rurn bzfs -world the/path/to/your/map/file/thingy.bzw |
| 21:35.26 | JeffM2501 | just like you RUN any other program |
| 21:35.35 | CBG | i dont ever RUN programs... |
| 21:35.43 | JeffM2501 | you ran python |
| 21:35.43 | JeffM2501 | cd |
| 21:35.45 | JeffM2501 | ls |
| 21:35.48 | JeffM2501 | and those |
| 21:35.52 | JeffM2501 | those were all progrmas |
| 21:36.28 | CBG | I opened all those by DOUBLE CLICKING... |
| 21:36.34 | CBG | I didnt RUN them... |
| 21:36.37 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:36.41 | JeffM2501 | you ran python |
| 21:36.44 | JeffM2501 | by typeing python |
| 21:36.49 | JeffM2501 | you ran cd by typing cd |
| 21:36.53 | JeffM2501 | you ran ls by typing ls |
| 21:36.57 | CBG | cdis a program? |
| 21:36.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:37.04 | CBG | thought it was a command... |
| 21:37.10 | JeffM2501 | commands are programs |
| 21:37.27 | JeffM2501 | where is your map? |
| 21:38.08 | CBG | Users/User/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/worlds/world1.bzw |
| 21:38.33 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 21:38.37 | CBG | lol |
| 21:38.46 | JeffM2501 | well put that mess in quoes after -world |
| 21:38.51 | CBG | I didnt set it up like that... its default. |
| 21:38.54 | CBG | ok :) |
| 21:39.03 | JeffM2501 | that's just where bz saves maps |
| 21:39.07 | CBG | yeah |
| 21:39.12 | CBG | so i put mine there too... |
| 21:39.16 | CBG | easier... |
| 21:39.26 | CBG | LESS messy than having stuff al over the place |
| 21:39.36 | CBG | and I ahve the folder in my faveorites bar thing... |
| 21:39.41 | CBG | so its only 1 click away |
| 21:39.59 | JeffM2501 | well command line isn't clicky :) |
| 21:40.13 | JeffM2501 | run that command and it'll start a server |
| 21:40.15 | JeffM2501 | run bzflag |
| 21:40.21 | CBG | k |
| 21:40.22 | CBG | brb |
| 21:40.23 | JeffM2501 | connect to 127.0.0.1 port 5154 |
| 21:40.38 | CBG | ok. |
| 21:40.55 | CBG | ... my IP... yeah |
| 21:40.56 | CBG | ? |
| 21:41.10 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:41.11 | JeffM2501 | that IP |
| 21:41.15 | JeffM2501 | that is localhost |
| 21:41.15 | CBG | oh. ok |
| 21:41.18 | JeffM2501 | allways |
| 21:42.07 | CBG | in terminal |
| 21:42.18 | CBG | if i made a mistake after runnin bzfs |
| 21:42.22 | CBG | how doi I go back |
| 21:42.23 | CBG | ? |
| 21:44.16 | JeffM2501 | control + C |
| 21:44.19 | JeffM2501 | to kill bzfs |
| 21:44.28 | CBG | ty |
| 21:44.40 | JeffM2501 | well to kill any app realy |
| 21:44.51 | JeffM2501 | that's the shell kill |
| 21:47.06 | CBG | -bash: bzfs: command not found |
| 21:47.47 | CBG | waitr |
| 21:47.54 | CBG | i think i no the prob |
| 21:48.21 | |zongo| | Tupone, scusa il disturbo, ma ho fatto quello che mi hai detto ma senza esito positivo...:( |
| 21:48.40 | CBG | -bash: bzfs: command not found |
| 21:48.41 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.08 | Tupone | what error ypu got? |
| 21:49.21 | Tupone | pastebin |
| 21:50.30 | |zongo| | done |
| 21:50.45 | Tupone | ahh ok |
| 21:50.58 | Tupone | so ... you fixed? |
| 21:51.03 | |zongo| | no.. |
| 21:51.13 | |zongo| | i pastebined the error |
| 21:51.20 | Tupone | the url ? :) |
| 21:51.28 | |zongo| | pastebin.com |
| 21:51.41 | |zongo| | but i replaced what u asked me |
| 21:52.11 | CBG | JeffM2501: it says: -bash: bzfs: command not found |
| 21:52.13 | Tupone | could you put there the source too? |
| 21:52.38 | Tupone | the ares_gethostbyname.c |
| 21:52.42 | |zongo| | in the file ares_gethostbyname.c i replaced nameser by nameser_compat.h |
| 21:52.49 | |zongo| | ok i'll do it right now |
| 21:53.13 | Tupone | :( no replace, insert a new one :) |
| 21:53.20 | Tupone | you have to have both |
| 21:54.02 | |zongo| | ok but i tried first with adding |
| 21:54.14 | |zongo| | and it didnt worked either |
| 21:54.38 | Tupone | add it, just after nameser.h then if it does not work, pastebin both error and source |
| 21:54.56 | |zongo| | k |
| 21:54.59 | JeffM2501 | CBG, then you are not in the right dir |
| 21:55.01 | JeffM2501 | do a ls |
| 21:55.03 | JeffM2501 | do you see bzfs |
| 21:55.05 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:55.09 | CBG | i have, yes i see it. |
| 21:55.13 | CBG | its there, |
| 21:55.16 | JeffM2501 | try it with ./ |
| 21:55.19 | JeffM2501 | before the bzfs |
| 21:55.23 | CBG | ./ |
| 21:55.24 | JeffM2501 | so it knows to look in that dir |
| 21:55.26 | CBG | yeah? |
| 21:55.31 | JeffM2501 | ./bzfs -asfjasdfkjaslkjaslfjsldfkjasdlfk;ajsd |
| 21:55.35 | CBG | ok |
| 21:55.51 | CBG | YEAH! |
| 21:56.32 | Tupone | |zongo|: look at this-> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/c-ares/ares_gethostbyaddr.c?rev=1.2&view=auto |
| 21:56.34 | CBG | it seemed to work... |
| 21:56.41 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:56.43 | JeffM2501 | connect on up |
| 21:56.44 | Tupone | that is another file, but changes are the same |
| 21:56.48 | CBG | it has given me a hwole load of text that dont look like errors ;) |
| 21:57.02 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:57.03 | CBG | but it says error connecting to server on bzflag. |
| 21:57.15 | JeffM2501 | what text did the server dump out? |
| 21:57.19 | JeffM2501 | just like the first part |
| 21:57.29 | CBG | bad argument "Support/BZFlag/worlds/world1.bzw" |
| 21:57.36 | JeffM2501 | it can't find your map |
| 21:57.40 | CBG | oh. |
| 21:57.42 | JeffM2501 | did you put your map path in quotes |
| 21:57.43 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:57.56 | CBG | maybe not. |
| 21:57.59 | CBG | one sec |
| 21:58.11 | |zongo| | Tupone, re-error and re-pastbinned :) |
| 21:58.26 | Tupone | ok, I was looking |
| 21:59.03 | |zongo| | sry i didnt pastebin the right source |
| 21:59.12 | |zongo| | i do it right now |
| 21:59.22 | CBG | JeffM, now it says "cant find map file" and "unexpected EOF" and "world failed to load" .... :o |
| 21:59.34 | JeffM2501 | well if it can't find it |
| 21:59.37 | JeffM2501 | that makes sens |
| 21:59.47 | CBG | nooo |
| 21:59.50 | JeffM2501 | you got the map path right, with cases correct? |
| 21:59.51 | CBG | ok. |
| 21:59.54 | CBG | ill check |
| 22:00.13 | Tupone | |zongo|: that is another file ares_init.c. You have to fix that I suppose |
| 22:00.47 | CBG | Jeff: it sure looks right... |
| 22:01.01 | Mr_Molez | CBG: use the tab key :p |
| 22:01.06 | |zongo| | Tupone, same thing? add the same line? |
| 22:01.08 | CBG | huh? |
| 22:01.11 | JeffM2501 | tab is your lord and master |
| 22:01.14 | CBG | ? |
| 22:01.16 | JeffM2501 | if you start a word |
| 22:01.21 | JeffM2501 | that is part of a file or pathname |
| 22:01.21 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:01.22 | JeffM2501 | and hit tab |
| 22:01.26 | Tupone | same things |
| 22:01.29 | JeffM2501 | it will auto complete as much as it can |
| 22:01.34 | CBG | oook. |
| 22:01.39 | Tupone | on about 4 or 5 files |
| 22:01.41 | JeffM2501 | so you don't have to type it all in |
| 22:01.47 | JeffM2501 | it also shows you if the path realy exists |
| 22:01.51 | |zongo| | k grazie ancora |
| 22:02.58 | CBG | tab don't do anything... |
| 22:02.58 | Tupone | di niente |
| 22:03.08 | CBG | but i tried typing the path out again.. |
| 22:03.11 | CBG | same error. |
| 22:03.21 | JeffM2501 | then bzfs can't open your map |
| 22:03.23 | Mr_Molez | if tab dont work then the file aint there |
| 22:03.26 | JeffM2501 | move it closer |
| 22:03.35 | CBG | k |
| 22:03.38 | JeffM2501 | or put it in the same dir as bzfs |
| 22:03.46 | JeffM2501 | and then all you need is the file name |
| 22:04.32 | CBG | i cant put it in tha dir |
| 22:04.37 | JeffM2501 | sure you can |
| 22:04.43 | CBG | i cant get into that dir except through terminal |
| 22:04.45 | CBG | but wait\ |
| 22:04.46 | JeffM2501 | right click on your bzflag icon |
| 22:04.58 | JeffM2501 | one of the options is open package |
| 22:04.59 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 22:05.01 | CBG | I put it in Users/James/world1.bzw |
| 22:05.12 | CBG | and did it all over... same errors. |
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| 22:05.28 | JeffM2501 | put it in the bzfs place |
| 22:05.36 | CBG | kk |
| 22:06.32 | CBG | done |
| 22:06.50 | JeffM2501 | now run it with just the map name |
| 22:06.53 | JeffM2501 | after -world |
| 22:07.16 | CBG | k |
| 22:07.44 | CBG | didnt say it did it, but no error either |
| 22:07.48 | CBG | whats the IP and port? |
| 22:07.58 | JeffM2501 | same as it was before |
| 22:08.02 | JeffM2501 | scroll up :) |
| 22:08.44 | CBG | error connecting to server |
| 22:08.54 | JeffM2501 | wierdness |
| 22:09.01 | CBG | wait. terminal says -bash: bzfs: command not found |
| 22:09.05 | CBG | lemme try with ./ again |
| 22:09.10 | JeffM2501 | you have to do the ./ |
| 22:09.25 | CBG | kk |
| 22:09.48 | CBG | now says loads of stuff like "invalid object type"... |
| 22:10.02 | CBG | but wait |
| 22:10.04 | CBG | it works |
| 22:10.08 | CBG | IM ON MY OWN MAP!!! |
| 22:10.09 | JeffM2501 | then your map is wrong |
| 22:10.10 | CBG | woooooohooooo |
| 22:10.16 | CBG | who cares... it works... ;) |
| 22:10.18 | JeffM2501 | but you have errors |
| 22:10.20 | CBG | Go me! |
| 22:10.39 | JeffM2501 | noone will run a map with errors |
| 22:10.42 | CBG | first ever go at a map... only soent 1 min on iy |
| 22:10.45 | CBG | *it |
| 22:11.00 | CBG | made 2 boxes a pyramid, started a mesh and stopped |
| 22:11.10 | CBG | thats why tehre are erros, I dont have enough faces ion the mesh. |
| 22:11.14 | JeffM2501 | dude you can't just stop an object in the middle |
| 22:12.35 | CBG | JeffM: i dont care... all I care is that I made some boxes (that look perfect) and am driving round my own map now... :D |
| 22:12.48 | JeffM2501 | well you can't realy screw up a box, it's a primitive |
| 22:12.50 | CBG | and, whats the thing to make it jumping...? is it -j? |
| 22:12.54 | CBG | lol. :D true |
| 22:12.55 | JeffM2501 | they allways look like boxes |
| 22:13.02 | JeffM2501 | it's ether +j or -j |
| 22:13.09 | CBG | but they are all the right size, and position :D |
| 22:13.09 | JeffM2501 | man bzfs :) |
| 22:13.18 | CBG | + or - ??? lol :D |
| 22:13.21 | CBG | has to be one. |
| 22:13.23 | JeffM2501 | don't remember |
| 22:13.26 | JeffM2501 | read the manual |
| 22:13.31 | CBG | kkk |
| 22:14.00 | JeffM2501 | so 1 min for the map, 45 min to start the server? ;) |
| 22:14.12 | CBG | yeah! lol |
| 22:14.18 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 22:14.26 | CBG | like i said: i can handle something like coding a map... to some extent... |
| 22:14.37 | CBG | but I ahd no idea terminal existed till a few hours ago... :D |
| 22:14.56 | JeffM2501 | how can you use a computer and not know what it's based on? |
| 22:15.02 | CBG | lol... |
| 22:15.11 | CBG | easy, point, click, GO! |
| 22:15.13 | CBG | :D |
| 22:15.18 | JeffM2501 | ahh so you like aqua |
| 22:15.20 | JeffM2501 | not OSX |
| 22:15.32 | JeffM2501 | OSX is more then just that prety shell :) |
| 22:15.59 | JeffM2501 | you should probably learn how to make a config |
| 22:16.05 | JeffM2501 | and make some shell scripts |
| 22:16.09 | cosmos | heh |
| 22:16.11 | JeffM2501 | so you don't have to go thru that each time |
| 22:16.42 | cosmos | i still prefer 4DWM |
| 22:16.51 | JeffM2501 | 4dwm? |
| 22:16.52 | CBG | umm... ok... |
| 22:16.56 | CBG | maybe tomorow. :P |
| 22:17.08 | cosmos | right after study hall eh CBG? |
| 22:17.20 | CBG | study hall? |
| 22:17.43 | CBG | but thats a point, i should forget bz entirely and revise... |
| 22:17.47 | CBG | SHOULD but wont. |
| 22:18.20 | CBG | if i change the map... |
| 22:18.28 | CBG | how do i get the changes to show on bz? |
| 22:18.34 | JeffM2501 | quit |
| 22:18.37 | JeffM2501 | kill bzfs |
| 22:18.39 | JeffM2501 | restart bzfs |
| 22:18.41 | CBG | awww |
| 22:18.43 | CBG | geez |
| 22:18.43 | JeffM2501 | rejoin |
| 22:18.51 | JeffM2501 | bzfls loads the map on startup |
| 22:18.55 | CBG | ok |
| 22:18.56 | JeffM2501 | if it didn't |
| 22:18.58 | cosmos | fire up the osx terminal app |
| 22:19.00 | cosmos | sudo root |
| 22:19.02 | cosmos | kill -9 -1 |
| 22:19.06 | JeffM2501 | everyone who joined woudl have a difrent map |
| 22:21.00 | CBG | I put options in my map to turn on jumping and rico (options +j +r end) |
| 22:21.13 | CBG | but when i try to run bzfs now, it says that those are errors |
| 22:21.36 | JeffM2501 | must have it wrong then |
| 22:21.55 | CBG | i copied it from the tuxee 3x3 map code... |
| 22:22.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:22.16 | JeffM2501 | still dosnt' mean it's right |
| 22:22.22 | CBG | kk |
| 22:22.49 | CBG | its the same on the bzmaps man... |
| 22:24.27 | JeffM2501 | try the commands just in the command line |
| 22:25.14 | CBG | ok... it works now |
| 22:25.58 | CBG | but whatevr options i set, i cant jump or rico... |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM2501 | did the server give you any errors? |
| 22:26.28 | CBG | yeah loads... |
| 22:26.29 | CBG | lol |
| 22:26.33 | JeffM2501 | dumbass |
| 22:26.34 | CBG | ill look over them |
| 22:26.46 | JeffM2501 | have fun with that |
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| 22:29.51 | CBG | "bad argument "\'ca\'ca-set\'ca_tankSpeed\'ca36" |
| 22:30.03 | JeffM2501 | bingo |
| 22:30.07 | CBG | whats that? |
| 22:30.08 | JeffM2501 | you have a bad set |
| 22:30.11 | JeffM2501 | in your map |
| 22:30.12 | CBG | lol... |
| 22:30.19 | CBG | i copied it from the man. |
| 22:30.26 | JeffM2501 | well it's not right |
| 22:30.31 | JeffM2501 | start small |
| 22:30.33 | JeffM2501 | then move up |
| 22:30.59 | CBG | it says everything in the options is wrong... |
| 22:31.05 | CBG | but i copied right from the man. |
| 22:31.38 | JeffM2501 | then you did it wrong |
| 22:31.43 | JeffM2501 | pastebin your map |
| 22:32.27 | CBG | http://www.pastebin.com/267608 |
| 22:32.43 | CBG | without the php tags bottom and top.... |
| 22:32.50 | JeffM2501 | you cann't put that crap on one line |
| 22:32.53 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 22:33.08 | CBG | what crap? |
| 22:33.15 | JeffM2501 | the difrent codes |
| 22:33.21 | JeffM2501 | for like +f and +j |
| 22:33.29 | CBG | I copied from man |
| 22:33.29 | cosmos | and the award for most patient man of the year... |
| 22:33.30 | JeffM2501 | you only put them on the same line |
| 22:33.33 | JeffM2501 | for a command line |
| 22:33.35 | JeffM2501 | NOT A MAP |
| 22:33.46 | CBG | I Copied From The Man! |
| 22:33.50 | JeffM2501 | what man? |
| 22:33.52 | JeffM2501 | the bzfs man? |
| 22:33.55 | CBG | THE MAN |
| 22:33.55 | JeffM2501 | or the map man? |
| 22:34.01 | CBG | http://my.bzflag.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?5+bzw |
| 22:34.04 | CBG | THAT BLOODY MAN |
| 22:34.09 | JeffM2501 | dude calm down |
| 22:34.09 | CBG | argh. |
| 22:34.23 | CBG | You started the all-caps thing. |
| 22:34.41 | JeffM2501 | maybe the man is wrong |
| 22:34.48 | CBG | to start, ill delete the unfinished mesh. ok? |
| 22:34.50 | JeffM2501 | hence why I say start small |
| 22:34.57 | JeffM2501 | start with command line |
| 22:34.59 | JeffM2501 | then move to map |
| 22:35.14 | CBG | what you mean command line? |
| 22:35.34 | JeffM2501 | you know the command you start bzfs with |
| 22:35.40 | JeffM2501 | when you use the -world command |
| 22:35.43 | CBG | yeah... |
| 22:35.46 | JeffM2501 | add in -j |
| 22:35.48 | JeffM2501 | as well |
| 22:35.53 | CBG | ok. |
| 22:35.53 | JeffM2501 | all those options are command line |
| 22:36.00 | JeffM2501 | or do a config |
| 22:36.08 | CBG | but, the map wont load... too many erros i think |
| 22:36.17 | JeffM2501 | fix the map too |
| 22:36.47 | CBG | YEah. thanks :) |
| 22:36.47 | CBG | works |
| 22:37.08 | JeffM2501 | god I hate wiki formating |
| 22:37.38 | CBG | got rico going too :D |
| 22:37.47 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 22:38.46 | CBG | stop being sarcastic, its bad for you.... it'll rot your teeth to start... |
| 22:38.51 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 22:39.02 | JeffM2501 | why do you think I'm being sarcastic? |
| 22:39.06 | JeffM2501 | I just realy like that word |
| 22:39.09 | JeffM2501 | and it fits |
| 22:39.18 | CBG | lol |
| 22:39.40 | CBG | see me in around... 5.... Years.... |
| 22:39.42 | CBG | ;) lol |
| 22:39.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: engrish |
| 22:40.02 | JeffM2501 | somone read the boards today |
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| 22:40.17 | CBG | .org/bb ? |
| 22:40.30 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 22:40.39 | CBG | yes,.. |
| 22:40.51 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 22:40.58 | CBG | what???? |
| 22:41.06 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm asking |
| 22:41.06 | trepan | might want to post a v1.3 exec... |
| 22:41.16 | JeffM2501 | you fix it so it will do vert only faces? |
| 22:41.24 | CBG | i went to the bzflag.org/bb boards today. |
| 22:41.37 | JeffM2501 | good for you CBG |
| 22:41.41 | JeffM2501 | but I wasn't talking to you |
| 22:41.42 | trepan | that was done back in v1.2, iirc |
| 22:41.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:41.47 | CBG | you asked if anyone did, im saying i did. ok? |
| 22:41.48 | JeffM2501 | what is this fix? |
| 22:41.52 | JeffM2501 | no I didn't |
| 22:42.01 | CBG | JeffM2501: somone read the boards today |
| 22:42.02 | JeffM2501 | I made a statement that trepan understood :) |
| 22:42.03 | trepan | v1.3 was the texture prefixing for d/ls |
| 22:42.10 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:42.11 | CBG | oh. fine. |
| 22:42.19 | JeffM2501 | I did one recently |
| 22:42.33 | JeffM2501 | when I did the force to Z0 |
| 22:42.49 | trepan | that feature, i don't like... ;) |
| 22:42.57 | JeffM2501 | also for anyone who is interested, I'm trying to get a wishlist together, http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/NewFeatures |
| 22:43.02 | JeffM2501 | I know you don't |
| 22:43.13 | JeffM2501 | but they cant' seem to get the stuff right |
| 22:43.24 | JeffM2501 | should put a way to not do it |
| 22:43.39 | JeffM2501 | you should have had that realisation last year :) |
| 22:44.24 | trepan | true |
| 22:49.11 | CBG | when you set the position for an object, your setting the position for thye bottom left corner, right? |
| 22:49.33 | CBG | not the center of the object... |
| 22:49.43 | trepan | center of the bottom |
| 22:49.49 | CBG | oh. ok :) |
| 22:49.52 | CBG | thanks |
| 22:52.31 | CBG | thats true for pyramids too, yeah? |
| 22:54.22 | trepan | CBG: just try it |
| 22:54.35 | CBG | I am... but it seems to be 10 out... |
| 22:54.51 | CBG | maybe its just my maths, but maths is my strogest subject... |
| 22:55.28 | JeffM2501 | an object will be 2 Times as wide as in X and Y as the size you put in |
| 22:55.37 | JeffM2501 | but only Z high |
| 22:56.07 | CBG | oooh. |
| 22:56.11 | CBG | ok... |
| 22:56.14 | CBG | but why? |
| 22:56.24 | JeffM2501 | because that's the way it is |
| 22:56.45 | CBG | but positioning is not doubled? only size (x,y not z) |
| 22:56.56 | JeffM2501 | just size |
| 22:57.03 | JeffM2501 | and just in X and Y |
| 22:57.10 | CBG | ok. ty |
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