| 00:00.20 | JeffM2501 | it would not be hard |
| 00:01.08 | spldart | Just an idea |
| 00:01.36 | JeffM2501 | it's been sugested before |
| 00:01.43 | JeffM2501 | who woudl do the voice? :) |
| 00:01.50 | JeffM2501 | and you'd want to make it localised |
| 00:01.59 | JeffM2501 | so you caould have it in languages |
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| 00:02.16 | JeffM2501 | like "der killin sprezzen" for german |
| 00:02.34 | BinarySpike | Does anybody know where bzf.conf file is located on Mac os X? |
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| 00:04.01 | BinarySpike | Never mind it's located in Users/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/2.0/ |
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| 00:04.29 | spldart | crap... I was thinking of stealing the UT one... But that would be infringment :( |
| 00:04.38 | JeffM2501 | that it would be |
| 00:04.51 | JeffM2501 | have to have a british lady say it, cus that's just cool |
| 00:05.26 | spldart | eek |
| 00:05.29 | spldart | no |
| 00:05.42 | JeffM2501 | killing spree, rampage, unstopable, and GodLike! |
| 00:06.03 | JeffM2501 | there is the multikill thing too |
| 00:06.15 | JeffM2501 | and of course "headshot" |
| 00:07.09 | JeffM2501 | when I wasn't flag running of course |
| 00:07.35 | spldart | I want Michael Clarke Duncan to do the voice of Killing |
| 00:07.44 | spldart | Or maybe James Earl Jones |
| 00:07.45 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:08.45 | JeffM2501 | who? |
| 00:09.02 | JeffM2501 | you want darth vader over a hot british lady? |
| 00:09.13 | JeffM2501 | everyone wants the hot british lady |
| 00:09.30 | spldart | British lady and Hot don't go together :-x |
| 00:09.33 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:09.51 | spldart | except if she's visiting a equatorial region of the blobe |
| 00:09.54 | spldart | globe |
| 00:09.55 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:10.29 | spldart | I guess we could always have R2D2 do it |
| 00:11.19 | spldart | My brother can do a pretty menicing voice.... 6' 4" |
| 00:11.42 | spldart | He does a great Cyclonus from Transformers |
| 00:12.08 | JeffM2501 | oh hot austrailian lady |
| 00:12.16 | spldart | AH!!! |
| 00:12.27 | spldart | Australian girls can be very hot! |
| 00:12.36 | JeffM2501 | all you ned is the voice |
| 00:12.45 | spldart | So can the japanese and chinese girls ;) |
| 00:12.52 | spldart | I love that areaof the world |
| 00:14.18 | spldart | In singapore you can get a hot chic for a day for CHEAP! |
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| 00:16.19 | JeffM2501 | just use the speach gen of a mac to do it |
| 00:16.52 | spldart | If I got a good voice for those various statments would you consider adding announcment .wav's into BZ into a future disto or is this a bit much for BZ plan of KISS |
| 00:17.13 | JeffM2501 | there would have to be a way to make it language specific |
| 00:17.19 | spldart | Ah... |
| 00:17.25 | JeffM2501 | and some new messages |
| 00:17.36 | JeffM2501 | when the server sends out a "he's on a roll" message |
| 00:17.49 | spldart | How many languages have enough representation to require their own language being represented? |
| 00:18.02 | JeffM2501 | best would be to implment it as some sort of general vocalisation system |
| 00:18.09 | spldart | ic |
| 00:18.18 | JeffM2501 | that the server could tell the client to play a wav for all, team, or person |
| 00:18.27 | JeffM2501 | then you can do voice "emotes" too |
| 00:18.39 | spldart | Maybe the groundwork could be laid for a downloadable plugin.. Then new language plugins could be grabbed as needed |
| 00:18.40 | JeffM2501 | for like "get the flag back" and "my house!" |
| 00:18.51 | spldart | heh |
| 00:18.51 | JeffM2501 | plugins mean code |
| 00:18.55 | spldart | ah |
| 00:18.58 | JeffM2501 | code means multi platform |
| 00:19.10 | JeffM2501 | unless you hook in some scripting thing |
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| 00:19.47 | JeffM2501 | for languages you'd have some default like english ( it's what we do for text ) but check for a local version first |
| 00:19.52 | spldart | I guess I haven't 'fully' appreciated the logistics of a global distro like this. |
| 00:20.49 | JeffM2501 | it's not unfeasable |
| 00:21.41 | JeffM2501 | specialy if there coudl be a "ya like that?" one |
| 00:21.55 | spldart | I was playing along, score -4, and I don't know if it was a role or dumb luck but I wiped out 6 tanks in less than a minute and thought it would be cool if the server announced "killing spree" at that moment |
| 00:22.18 | spldart | I didn't even have a superflag |
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| 00:22.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's been asked for before |
| 00:22.57 | JeffM2501 | and it's dooable |
| 00:23.09 | JeffM2501 | it will just take something more then a couple code changes. |
| 00:23.18 | spldart | IC... Sorry to repeat unintentionally that request ;) |
| 00:23.19 | LordSarpedon | what? |
| 00:23.29 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 00:23.34 | JeffM2501 | it's been like a year |
| 00:23.39 | spldart | wo |
| 00:23.40 | spldart | w |
| 00:23.41 | JeffM2501 | it's good that stuff like that comes up again |
| 00:23.52 | JeffM2501 | that means it's a desired feature |
| 00:24.07 | LordSarpedon | what feature? |
| 00:24.11 | spldart | It'd be neat... The game is otherwise pretty refined |
| 00:24.29 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 00:24.31 | spldart | Or so it seems to me |
| 00:24.37 | JeffM2501 | it could be mch better |
| 00:24.43 | spldart | really? |
| 00:24.51 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 00:25.05 | JeffM2501 | it realy needs a pass to look at what features users want, and what common problems are |
| 00:25.12 | JeffM2501 | and what changes can be made to clean it up |
| 00:25.17 | JeffM2501 | like the server list |
| 00:25.24 | JeffM2501 | and stuff like team comunication |
| 00:25.33 | JeffM2501 | things players use |
| 00:25.49 | spldart | I hadn't noticed. |
| 00:26.00 | JeffM2501 | played many other team games? |
| 00:26.01 | spldart | But I'm not an experienced player yet either. |
| 00:26.07 | spldart | No |
| 00:26.13 | spldart | I'm more of a 1 against the computer type |
| 00:26.23 | JeffM2501 | UT has some kickass team comunication features |
| 00:26.28 | spldart | And prefer simple fast paced games over slow thinking ones |
| 00:26.30 | JeffM2501 | and wicked smart bots |
| 00:26.45 | spldart | I like to get into a game, have fun and drop out in a matter of minutes or hours |
| 00:27.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:27.06 | LordSarpedon | Server portals would be somewhat cool |
| 00:27.07 | spldart | I've played UT but not team |
| 00:27.08 | JeffM2501 | "instant action" in planetside does that |
| 00:27.10 | spldart | Halo but not team |
| 00:27.14 | spldart | Quake |
| 00:27.22 | spldart | Duke nukem3d :D |
| 00:27.28 | JeffM2501 | that's a bit old school |
| 00:27.33 | JeffM2501 | tribes 2 was fun |
| 00:27.38 | JeffM2501 | class based games are neat |
| 00:27.41 | spldart | server portholes? |
| 00:27.51 | spldart | I never thought of that |
| 00:28.03 | LordSarpedon | Imagine having a special teleporter that warps you to a different server |
| 00:28.11 | spldart | That would be super sweet |
| 00:28.17 | LordSarpedon | Some of the major ones like hepcat could link together |
| 00:28.33 | LordSarpedon | The servers themselves would maintain a connection, so bullets and such could go between them |
| 00:28.49 | spldart | LOL that's great if it happens :D |
| 00:29.02 | JeffM2501 | BZ's CTF system leads to a slower CTF game tehn I'd prefer |
| 00:29.17 | spldart | I would consider upgrading my connection and hosting several maps just to have that ability 8~D |
| 00:29.17 | LordSarpedon | And that players would have info sent across so they enter the pother server with the flags and such they had on the other one |
| 00:29.21 | JeffM2501 | having to cart the flag back, and the "hiding" of it is kinda lame IMHO |
| 00:29.36 | LordSarpedon | More game modes would be nice |
| 00:29.48 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, that's been talked about a lot, I'm not a fan of it, cus it dosnt' realy add anything. an in game loby woudl do something similar |
| 00:29.53 | spldart | I';ve noticed the hiding the flag stuff |
| 00:29.54 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to special case SO many things |
| 00:30.00 | JeffM2501 | like shots |
| 00:30.26 | JeffM2501 | and people would use it as an uber fast reconect to reset a low score. |
| 00:30.31 | spldart | was in that map with buildings in 4 corners and a open killing zone in the middle |
| 00:30.42 | JeffM2501 | it's a gymic that sounds interesting but end up with many abuses. |
| 00:30.48 | spldart | I noticed people would grab their own flag and hide it up high in an awkward place |
| 00:30.51 | LordSarpedon | score would be maintained |
| 00:30.57 | JeffM2501 | we don't do that now |
| 00:31.03 | LordSarpedon | Remember that a server link would be between trusted servers |
| 00:31.07 | JeffM2501 | you'd "hold" the player slot? |
| 00:31.23 | spldart | Like if I had 2 or 3 maps served at the same time on my IP |
| 00:31.25 | JeffM2501 | so they'd go thru to run from a hunter |
| 00:31.39 | JeffM2501 | I just don't see it realy adding anyting |
| 00:31.40 | LordSarpedon | Heh. |
| 00:31.46 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather see the time spent on other things |
| 00:31.50 | JeffM2501 | real problems |
| 00:32.06 | LordSarpedon | I am a little more confident on how to fix the netcode now :) |
| 00:32.20 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:32.31 | spldart | I admit I'm a little bit of a pushover for Gimics :( |
| 00:32.55 | JeffM2501 | it'd be neat for a week or 2 |
| 00:32.59 | spldart | But anywho... BZ is right up my ally as far as compy games |
| 00:33.02 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather see increases in world size |
| 00:33.17 | spldart | There's a limit? |
| 00:33.18 | JeffM2501 | and a room based system |
| 00:33.18 | LordSarpedon | World size increase? Lag city |
| 00:33.21 | JeffM2501 | like subsace |
| 00:33.27 | cosmos | id rather see exploding computers for tks, spammers, and racists |
| 00:33.29 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, that's one reason it needs to be fixed |
| 00:33.34 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:33.38 | JeffM2501 | the engine dosn't handle it well |
| 00:33.50 | spldart | auto server download of virus onto spammer's and racists machines? |
| 00:33.51 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:34.09 | LordSarpedon | JeffM2501, you gave me a great idea. If there were distinct "rooms |
| 00:34.21 | JeffM2501 | it's a common concept |
| 00:34.26 | LordSarpedon | or "zones" in a server accesed via teleporter, that would be super-easy quenching |
| 00:34.32 | JeffM2501 | game server can run more then one gamestate |
| 00:34.33 | BIYA | spldart I still dont have the map... |
| 00:34.38 | spldart | Hrm... A lobby between hosted maps on the same server .. |
| 00:34.40 | JeffM2501 | you don't do it for quenching |
| 00:34.43 | JeffM2501 | you do it for privacy |
| 00:34.50 | JeffM2501 | and to make a cleaner gamestate |
| 00:34.55 | JeffM2501 | quencying on distance is EASY |
| 00:35.05 | JeffM2501 | go play subspace |
| 00:35.07 | spldart | I don't knwo what to say Biya.... I sent it back to the same place I got your email from... |
| 00:35.10 | JeffM2501 | every server has N rooms |
| 00:35.10 | spldart | I got an idea |
| 00:35.15 | spldart | I will link you. |
| 00:35.16 | LordSarpedon | Distance calc for every player is a lot of overhead, unless it is cached |
| 00:35.17 | BIYA | Yes? |
| 00:35.19 | spldart | just a second |
| 00:35.20 | JeffM2501 | when you want a private match, you just make an new room |
| 00:35.25 | JeffM2501 | and your teams go there |
| 00:35.32 | LordSarpedon | That would be good |
| 00:35.34 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, not realy |
| 00:35.48 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, you have keep that kinda data around if you want a real game state |
| 00:36.03 | JeffM2501 | it's no more then what a game client does for a visibility check |
| 00:36.09 | JeffM2501 | and that's a fast check |
| 00:36.26 | JeffM2501 | it's not rocket science |
| 00:36.34 | spldart | http://67.10.210.195:91/biyaplanetmap.bzw |
| 00:36.35 | JeffM2501 | people have solved these problems before |
| 00:36.37 | spldart | There you go |
| 00:36.42 | BIYA | k |
| 00:37.11 | LordSarpedon | But...picture this. Maintain one gamestate, but extend the map to contain "submaps" in essence. If you go through a teleporter to a different "room" you are on the same map, but you can't see/hear/etc anyone else in a different room. So updates for players in a different room are not sent |
| 00:37.16 | JeffM2501 | a fast quadtree on the server could do a quick sort |
| 00:37.18 | BIYA | What is that -dd? |
| 00:37.30 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, you can do that on distance too |
| 00:37.46 | JeffM2501 | your making the map do your spacial split for you |
| 00:37.53 | JeffM2501 | that's the lazy way out :) |
| 00:38.04 | JeffM2501 | play subspace |
| 00:38.06 | LordSarpedon | part of what im going to do for netcode is a distance check |
| 00:38.11 | JeffM2501 | go into a game with 200 players |
| 00:38.24 | JeffM2501 | have the server keep a tree of nodes |
| 00:38.32 | JeffM2501 | break world into a simple quad split grid |
| 00:38.34 | LordSarpedon | So far, I have decided to create a NetFilter class that hooks into NetHandler |
| 00:38.58 | JeffM2501 | you should also throtle based on the client's connection setings |
| 00:39.10 | JeffM2501 | no need to send dialup users data at DSL speeds |
| 00:39.22 | JeffM2501 | that just floods pipes |
| 00:39.25 | LordSarpedon | The filter will be called for every packet sent, and decide whether to send it or not |
| 00:39.36 | LordSarpedon | Yes, based on speed too |
| 00:39.38 | spldart | -dd was a way to get the dos box to spill out details of any errors |
| 00:39.46 | JeffM2501 | so you have a filter per player? |
| 00:39.48 | BIYA | o |
| 00:39.54 | LordSarpedon | Different filters can be used and we can see which gives best performance |
| 00:40.13 | LordSarpedon | No, a single filter that is called by the NetHandler |
| 00:40.40 | LordSarpedon | If the server is sending a TankMove message and the player is a long way away, the filter might throw it out |
| 00:40.55 | JeffM2501 | so it's done after the packet is split |
| 00:40.58 | JeffM2501 | for each other player |
| 00:41.05 | JeffM2501 | so you have to have rules for each players connection |
| 00:41.13 | LordSarpedon | Well, the server sends a packet to each player |
| 00:41.20 | JeffM2501 | after it gets one from a player |
| 00:41.24 | LordSarpedon | So it filters once per packet per player |
| 00:41.36 | JeffM2501 | so you have basicly a filter call per player |
| 00:41.57 | LordSarpedon | Yeah. Think it will work? Distance checking should work, so should connection throttling |
| 00:41.58 | spldart | Did you successfully download the map Biya? I want to pull it from my server. |
| 00:41.59 | JeffM2501 | where each call per player uses a difrent set of setings ( distance, speed, etc... ) |
| 00:42.16 | JeffM2501 | let me find my net proposal |
| 00:42.43 | BIYA | yes |
| 00:42.55 | LordSarpedon | The only thing I don't like, is I cant tie into the main server class enough to do things based on priortiy and bandwidth sent this tick, not on a per packet basis |
| 00:42.59 | spldart | ok kew |
| 00:43.13 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, thats why you need a multi message |
| 00:43.17 | LordSarpedon | But on the advice or brlcad, im trying to avoid editing as much existing code as possible "as if it is the plague" |
| 00:43.21 | JeffM2501 | and your filter is just part of the queing system :) |
| 00:44.19 | JeffM2501 | good lord I have a lot of posts |
| 00:44.27 | LordSarpedon | A filter would help, but ultimately I will have to extend it to hook into the server logic as well so I can sort packets by priority and cutoff after X bytes sent |
| 00:44.35 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 00:44.46 | JeffM2501 | it can't be done as a "drop in" |
| 00:44.53 | LordSarpedon | brb...so I have jeff's appoval? ;) |
| 00:45.22 | JeffM2501 | the idea of forcing people to limit there ideas based on "don't change code" is lame |
| 00:45.28 | JeffM2501 | the code should not be feared |
| 00:45.33 | JeffM2501 | it is meant to be changed |
| 00:45.37 | JeffM2501 | that is why it's open |
| 00:45.54 | BIYA | spldart... what was you conf? |
| 00:46.12 | spldart | just a sec |
| 00:46.46 | JeffM2501 | hmm guess I don't have my write up anymore |
| 00:46.48 | JeffM2501 | ohh well |
| 00:50.25 | spldart | Biya -sb, -publicaddr 67.10.210.195:5123 |
| 00:50.26 | spldart | -publicaddr 67.10.210.195:5123, -j, -ms 400, -p 5123, +f GM{6}, +f L{5}, +f WG{10}, +f SW{4}, -fb, +r, -s 10, -sa, -world "C:\bz\BZFlag2.0.2\yourmap.bzw" and of course passowrd |
| 00:51.15 | spldart | I just wish I could do some work on the code ;( |
| 00:51.16 | LordSarpedon | Jeff, is there existing distance checking code? |
| 00:52.20 | spldart | Just a random .conf I through together to test maps with |
| 00:54.07 | JeffM2501 | not in the server |
| 00:54.14 | JeffM2501 | server dosn't realy even keep a state |
| 00:54.18 | JeffM2501 | that's your fist job |
| 00:54.26 | JeffM2501 | keep and udpate a state |
| 00:54.29 | JeffM2501 | and do DR on the server |
| 00:54.33 | LordSarpedon | Hah. It essentially echos stuff, hmm? |
| 00:54.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:54.40 | JeffM2501 | with some checks for cheats |
| 00:54.44 | JeffM2501 | the server is REALY dumb |
| 00:54.55 | LordSarpedon | DOes't it keep track of bulltets? |
| 00:54.55 | JeffM2501 | hence why it can't be done as a dropin :) |
| 00:55.00 | JeffM2501 | no not realy |
| 00:55.09 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't do the death check |
| 00:55.19 | JeffM2501 | every client is repsonsible for saying that they died |
| 00:55.23 | JeffM2501 | when they get hit |
| 00:55.33 | JeffM2501 | honor system :) |
| 00:55.45 | LordSarpedon | Well, i remmber from last time i was working with the source that it at least kept a bulltet list./ let me see.... |
| 00:55.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah it keeps a lit of shots |
| 00:56.03 | JeffM2501 | and end shots |
| 00:56.08 | JeffM2501 | but dosn't keep them updated to where they are |
| 00:56.12 | JeffM2501 | it keeps some stuff |
| 00:56.18 | JeffM2501 | like the last flag you had |
| 00:56.23 | JeffM2501 | for like the score |
| 00:56.37 | LordSarpedon | what about world database? Or does it just dump the db to the client :P |
| 00:56.46 | JeffM2501 | it has it |
| 00:56.54 | JeffM2501 | it only realy uses it for spawn calcs |
| 00:57.11 | JeffM2501 | it used to just have it as a blob it sent to the clients |
| 00:57.15 | LordSarpedon | so, it does have the geometry and can do intersect tests? |
| 00:57.17 | JeffM2501 | at least now the data is there |
| 00:57.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah it can |
| 00:57.28 | JeffM2501 | it's one reason the server needs GL |
| 00:57.33 | JeffM2501 | cus it shares some scene code |
| 00:57.37 | LordSarpedon | Ah, gl is already there |
| 00:57.39 | JeffM2501 | even tho it dosn't call GL |
| 00:57.41 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 00:57.45 | JeffM2501 | and can't |
| 00:57.52 | LordSarpedon | ? |
| 00:57.56 | JeffM2501 | it's just includes the headers |
| 00:58.05 | LordSarpedon | but...can't? |
| 00:58.05 | JeffM2501 | the code that uses GL is the draw code |
| 00:58.07 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:58.09 | JeffM2501 | we never init GL |
| 00:58.14 | LordSarpedon | oooo |
| 00:58.22 | JeffM2501 | and we actualy need to fix it so the server dosn't need GL |
| 00:58.31 | JeffM2501 | GL has no math so it'd not offer you anything |
| 00:58.41 | LordSarpedon | so you include the header so it will compile, but the particular functions are never called. I see |
| 00:58.42 | JeffM2501 | the server dosn't ever call the draw code |
| 00:58.53 | JeffM2501 | draw and intersect code for objects are in the same files |
| 00:59.09 | JeffM2501 | it just calls the intersect code |
| 00:59.32 | JeffM2501 | but since it's in the files that have drawing..... you need GL included for it to compile |
| 00:59.36 | LordSarpedon | Ok. How can I do a view check for a tank? Preferably including geometry and such |
| 00:59.38 | JeffM2501 | what woudl you need GL for in the server? |
| 00:59.46 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to write one up |
| 00:59.53 | LordSarpedon | ouch |
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| 00:59.57 | JeffM2501 | there is probably some scene code you coudl reuse |
| 01:00.05 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to construct the view frustum at least |
| 01:00.11 | freelancer | any hepcat admins here |
| 01:00.14 | JeffM2501 | we don't add tanks to the scene on the server |
| 01:00.35 | JeffM2501 | it's not the same per frame up to date database as the client has |
| 01:00.45 | LordSarpedon | What's great about the filter idea is that it can be implemented without breaking net compatibility |
| 01:00.47 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to make the server keep it up to date |
| 01:00.53 | JeffM2501 | that is true |
| 01:01.02 | JeffM2501 | I personaly don't care about compatability |
| 01:01.14 | JeffM2501 | we break compatability every major release |
| 01:01.16 | LordSarpedon | And it can be changed real time for testing |
| 01:01.16 | JeffM2501 | just because |
| 01:01.30 | LordSarpedon | Well of cpourse, but in this case I want to be able to see the results |
| 01:01.47 | JeffM2501 | your going to have to change the server a fair amount |
| 01:01.49 | LordSarpedon | And I dont think everyone will apply my diffs and compile just to help out |
| 01:01.57 | JeffM2501 | just to get it to track the state you need |
| 01:02.02 | JeffM2501 | and your gonna need to do DR |
| 01:02.09 | LordSarpedon | Indeed |
| 01:02.15 | trepan | brlcad/learner already has some of the quenching work done, iirc |
| 01:02.31 | LordSarpedon | Perhaps I should stop spending all day in IRC bugging everyone and get to work :) |
| 01:02.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah I think he was doing soething to slow down updates |
| 01:03.04 | JeffM2501 | while that will help, I think you need a sync clock too |
| 01:03.12 | JeffM2501 | and an allways up to date lag comp |
| 01:03.26 | trepan | needs more then that ;) |
| 01:03.32 | JeffM2501 | quenching just makes the pipe flood slower |
| 01:03.35 | LordSarpedon | sync clock? To keep time the same between client/server? |
| 01:03.38 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't change latency |
| 01:03.40 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:03.45 | JeffM2501 | so that updates know when they happen |
| 01:03.57 | JeffM2501 | and they can be ploted |
| 01:03.58 | JeffM2501 | right now |
| 01:04.00 | LordSarpedon | TImestamps work fine |
| 01:04.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:04.12 | JeffM2501 | but only on one clock |
| 01:04.25 | JeffM2501 | you can't apply a timestamp from one client to another |
| 01:04.39 | JeffM2501 | when you get a player position |
| 01:04.47 | JeffM2501 | you can't assume that it's where he is NOW |
| 01:04.51 | JeffM2501 | you need to know when he was there |
| 01:04.54 | LordSarpedon | True. But typically tracking time between updates on client sides is mostly accurate |
| 01:04.54 | JeffM2501 | to fix your DR |
| 01:05.30 | JeffM2501 | mostly |
| 01:05.33 | JeffM2501 | we don't even have ANY :) |
| 01:05.46 | trepan | Player.cxx/1296 |
| 01:05.48 | LordSarpedon | Doesnt compensate for lag, but it allows an easy DR |
| 01:06.16 | LordSarpedon | Eg, call GetLocation on the server, multiplies the velocity times the time since last update and adds to last known position |
| 01:06.16 | JeffM2501 | DR and lag comp have to go together |
| 01:06.40 | LordSarpedon | Yes. This was the duck-tape dr i was using in my bzf viewer |
| 01:07.01 | LordSarpedon | does bzf calculate anglular velocity into its dr? i know its in the packet, but is it used? |
| 01:07.19 | JeffM2501 | don't remember |
| 01:08.13 | LordSarpedon | i never found an equation to calculate in the angular velocity...so my dr didnt work well when tank was turning |
| 01:08.24 | LordSarpedon | know any good sites with the basic forumlas for this junk? |
| 01:08.44 | trepan | Player.cxx/1005 |
| 01:10.41 | JeffM2501 | brlcad and trepan have been in there more recently then I, they would be better at knowing |
| 01:10.50 | JeffM2501 | I try to stay outa the net |
| 01:11.44 | trepan | tip: those code references were not just pasted for my amusement =) |
| 01:12.07 | LordSarpedon | i dont have a good editor on this computer |
| 01:12.11 | JeffM2501 | hence why I made my statement :) |
| 01:12.17 | LordSarpedon | and wordpad doesnt have a Goto line for some disturbing reason |
| 01:17.51 | LordSarpedon | so if i get a filter working, how should i submit changes? |
| 01:19.17 | BIYA | np reinstaled it.. now it says this |
| 01:19.21 | BIYA | Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] |
| 01:19.21 | BIYA | (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. |
| 01:19.21 | BIYA | C:\Documents and Settings\Matt\Desktop\BZFlag2.0.2>bzfs.exe -j -ms 400 -p 5154 + |
| 01:19.21 | BIYA | f GM{6} +f L{5} +f WG{10} +f SW{4} -fb +r -s 10 -sa -world solarsystem35.bzw -pa |
| 01:19.21 | BIYA | ssword 1 |
| 01:19.21 | BIYA | using maximum number of shots of 20 |
| 01:19.23 | BIYA | using world size of "1600" |
| 01:19.42 | BIYA | oops |
| 01:19.48 | BIYA | heh wrong tab |
| 01:19.59 | LordSarpedon | ha |
| 01:20.57 | BIYA | sorry |
| 01:20.58 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:21.01 | spldart | oh well |
| 01:21.20 | BIYA | My server is messed up |
| 01:21.45 | spldart | Man... My idea for an update realy got a giant convo spawned :eek: |
| 01:21.45 | *** join/#bzflag guest (ski@pool-141-151-161-74.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:21.52 | guest | hi all |
| 01:21.58 | BIYA | hey |
| 01:22.00 | LordSarpedon | hi |
| 01:22.03 | spldart | Hi |
| 01:22.10 | guest | i need some real help with WinXP |
| 01:22.24 | BIYA | ~bzfrag quest |
| 01:22.26 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill quest, but finds the shield flag |
| 01:22.31 | spldart | Looks liek on difference is I'm using XP pro Corp and your using XP biya |
| 01:22.42 | BIYA | Yeah must be |
| 01:22.53 | LordSarpedon | what does bzfrag do |
| 01:23.01 | guest | I just installed XP homw |
| 01:23.04 | guest | home |
| 01:23.11 | LordSarpedon | whats the trouble |
| 01:23.14 | BIYA | ~bzfrag quest |
| 01:23.16 | ibot | ACTION skewers quest with a super bullet |
| 01:23.21 | BIYA | Dont know |
| 01:23.24 | guest | it runs REALLY slow!!! |
| 01:23.28 | BIYA | I just like it |
| 01:23.34 | spldart | ~bzfrag BIYA |
| 01:23.36 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill BIYA, but finds the shield flag |
| 01:23.40 | LordSarpedon | ~bzfrag LordSarpedon |
| 01:23.42 | ibot | ACTION kills LordSarpedon with a shot from his BZTank |
| 01:23.42 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:23.42 | BIYA | hahaha |
| 01:23.49 | LordSarpedon | Wow. Thats useless |
| 01:23.51 | BIYA | ~bzfrag spldart |
| 01:23.53 | ibot | ACTION blindsides spldart with an invisible bullet |
| 01:23.59 | LordSarpedon | ~help |
| 01:24.01 | spldart | doh! |
| 01:24.05 | LordSarpedon | ~bzhelp |
| 01:24.09 | spldart | slow huh gues |
| 01:24.10 | spldart | t |
| 01:24.18 | spldart | What is your compies specs |
| 01:24.33 | JeffM2501 | there is no bzhelp |
| 01:24.34 | guest | oh btw, this is ski |
| 01:24.49 | LordSarpedon | ~rot13 Hello |
| 01:24.49 | ibot | Uryyb |
| 01:24.52 | BIYA | ~frag spldart |
| 01:24.55 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at spldart |
| 01:24.56 | guest | JEFF! HELP!!! |
| 01:24.57 | LordSarpedon | Hehe |
| 01:25.03 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: the distance calc actually wasn't too bad -- the harder problem was dead reckoning updates |
| 01:25.05 | spldart | ~frag BIYA |
| 01:25.10 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at BIYA |
| 01:25.16 | spldart | lol |
| 01:25.19 | trepan | JeffM2501: $1 a question sound about right? |
| 01:25.21 | JeffM2501 | yes guest |
| 01:25.22 | LordSarpedon | So its already done, brlcad? |
| 01:25.25 | BIYA | :) |
| 01:25.29 | LordSarpedon | ~slashdot |
| 01:25.38 | JeffM2501 | trepan, give him 12 for 10$ |
| 01:25.40 | guest | first, its me ski...im not sure why mIRC gave me guest |
| 01:25.41 | JeffM2501 | make it worth your wile |
| 01:25.51 | JeffM2501 | cus you told it to |
| 01:25.56 | guest | :P |
| 01:26.03 | spldart | What in particular runs slow in xp ski/guest |
| 01:26.05 | JeffM2501 | well it's true :) |
| 01:26.18 | guest | well can i change it back to ski |
| 01:26.21 | JeffM2501 | it's going to end in the term "update your drivers" |
| 01:26.23 | LordSarpedon | ~wtf |
| 01:26.26 | spldart | Ah... and to borrow a quote from jeffm |
| 01:26.28 | guest | everything on XP is running slow |
| 01:26.29 | spldart | grr |
| 01:26.32 | JeffM2501 | guest, I dono try |
| 01:26.40 | spldart | you beat me to your quote jeff |
| 01:26.42 | spldart | grrr |
| 01:26.44 | JeffM2501 | the names are not bzflag specifc |
| 01:26.47 | spldart | update your drivers |
| 01:26.53 | spldart | What are the specs of you machine? |
| 01:26.53 | JeffM2501 | they are for the entire freenode IRC network |
| 01:26.59 | JeffM2501 | just type /nick ski |
| 01:27.02 | JeffM2501 | see what happens |
| 01:27.10 | LordSarpedon | ~help lobotamy |
| 01:27.10 | JeffM2501 | and there ya go |
| 01:27.11 | ski | k, thanks ...heh |
| 01:27.18 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean "everything" is slow? |
| 01:27.19 | JeffM2501 | even the OS? |
| 01:27.22 | JeffM2501 | or just bz? |
| 01:27.28 | LordSarpedon | ~wtf iirc |
| 01:27.32 | ski | ok, dont laugh but im running on a K6 Athlon 450MHz |
| 01:27.40 | spldart | thought so |
| 01:27.46 | JeffM2501 | how much ram? |
| 01:27.47 | LordSarpedon | Ow |
| 01:27.49 | spldart | You need to strip down xp |
| 01:27.53 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: not exactly "done" -- I have/had a working prototype that was incredibly promising, but couldn't commit due to jitter bugs |
| 01:27.54 | ski | 188MB |
| 01:27.58 | JeffM2501 | get more ram |
| 01:28.03 | LordSarpedon | ~lobotomy |
| 01:28.05 | ibot | I feel different somehow. |
| 01:28.05 | JeffM2501 | your hiting VM |
| 01:28.07 | brlcad | then release time rolled around,and all hope was lost |
| 01:28.15 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, please play with the bot in a /msg |
| 01:28.17 | LordSarpedon | ~wtf tcp |
| 01:28.22 | LordSarpedon | Oh. sorry |
| 01:28.28 | spldart | http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm |
| 01:28.30 | spldart | helps |
| 01:28.34 | JeffM2501 | ski, that is not going to run fast |
| 01:28.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah turn of a lot of crap |
| 01:28.45 | JeffM2501 | go to the "clasic" theme |
| 01:28.46 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: check out the PositionTracker (or called something like that) that was part of it |
| 01:28.48 | JeffM2501 | theng o buy ram |
| 01:28.55 | ski | yeah, i went to tweakXP |
| 01:29.13 | spldart | I would install service pack 1a but not 2 |
| 01:29.17 | JeffM2501 | 180 still isn't much |
| 01:29.18 | ski | yeah, it takes like 2min for my browser to come up |
| 01:29.21 | spldart | and edit the services as per black viper |
| 01:29.31 | JeffM2501 | do you hear it taging the drive a lot when it does that? |
| 01:29.31 | spldart | You can get your mem usage down ALOT |
| 01:29.50 | spldart | I'm running xp pro on a 266mhz machine. |
| 01:29.58 | spldart | Stripped down.... |
| 01:30.00 | JeffM2501 | CPU speed is less important then ram |
| 01:30.06 | spldart | true |
| 01:30.10 | BIYA | OverClocking!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:30.18 | JeffM2501 | once you run out of ram your no faster then your hard rive |
| 01:30.20 | spldart | and killing extra services can help the memory issue |
| 01:30.26 | JeffM2501 | it can |
| 01:30.30 | BIYA | OverClocking!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:30.31 | JeffM2501 | the core will still take a decent chunk |
| 01:30.34 | ski | i dont hear much tapping.. |
| 01:30.35 | spldart | my 266 machine onnly has the same memory froughly |
| 01:30.37 | JeffM2501 | BIYA, shut the heck up |
| 01:30.42 | BIYA | :) |
| 01:30.49 | JeffM2501 | I am not kidding |
| 01:30.50 | BIYA | Just saying it could help |
| 01:30.53 | spldart | I can boot to 65 meg or so in xp pro with alot of the baggage turned off |
| 01:30.56 | ski | BIYA, i dont want to burn up my PC |
| 01:30.57 | JeffM2501 | no, no it can't |
| 01:31.06 | JeffM2501 | he's hiting virtual memory |
| 01:31.10 | BIYA | Buy more fans.. what I did |
| 01:31.12 | JeffM2501 | he's limited by drive speed |
| 01:31.19 | spldart | grrr biya |
| 01:31.20 | orchid | ski: wasnt xp on this computer before? |
| 01:31.23 | JeffM2501 | BIYA, you have no clue what the hell your talking about |
| 01:31.28 | spldart | He needs bus and memory not cpu |
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| 01:31.50 | BIYA | I have overclocked my system so I know what im talking about |
| 01:31.51 | JeffM2501 | clear as much ram as you can |
| 01:31.54 | ski | no, i just upgraded because the school im attending wasnt supporting ME anymore |
| 01:31.56 | spldart | I've done several xp's on slow machines. I know |
| 01:32.02 | JeffM2501 | BIYA, posibly, but IT WON"T HELP HIM |
| 01:32.13 | JeffM2501 | you don't know how the OS works |
| 01:32.15 | spldart | I'm overclocked too. He needs memory and buss speed |
| 01:32.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:32.19 | spldart | not cpu |
| 01:32.21 | JeffM2501 | he needs RAM |
| 01:32.28 | JeffM2501 | so that means ether freeing up more ram |
| 01:32.30 | BIYA | o |
| 01:32.30 | JeffM2501 | or geting more |
| 01:32.33 | JeffM2501 | that's IT |
| 01:32.41 | spldart | w0rd |
| 01:32.47 | JeffM2501 | faster ram is useless when it's full |
| 01:32.49 | ski | ok, so im going to free up some ram.... |
| 01:32.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:32.53 | BIYA | Is his RAM overclockable? |
| 01:32.57 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:33.02 | JeffM2501 | but you should know |
| 01:33.10 | spldart | lol |
| 01:33.12 | JeffM2501 | your an overclocking GENIUS |
| 01:33.24 | JeffM2501 | tho how that is going to give him more megs |
| 01:33.27 | ski | im not overclocking this crappy thing... |
| 01:33.32 | JeffM2501 | that will be the magic part |
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| 01:33.48 | spldart | k6 2's don't overclock much anywah |
| 01:33.48 | BIYA | then dont |
| 01:34.05 | JeffM2501 | ski what "theme" are you running? |
| 01:34.11 | JeffM2501 | and what effects do you have on? |
| 01:34.35 | JeffM2501 | also install firefox, IE is a hog |
| 01:34.52 | ski | not sure...looking now... |
| 01:34.54 | spldart | w0rd's so far |
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| 01:35.03 | spldart | but I can get away with IE |
| 01:35.24 | ski | still waiting for my control panel to come up....zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 01:35.28 | spldart | :( |
| 01:35.33 | ski | there it is |
| 01:35.40 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:36.07 | JeffM2501 | does your screen look like a playschool box threw up all over it? |
| 01:36.14 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:36.35 | ski | lol, it was on clissic modified...i just switched it to classic |
| 01:36.55 | guest | Does anybody know of a live linux distribution w/ bzflag 2.0.x? |
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| 01:37.07 | spldart | Might as well turn off all the effects until you get tweaked up and can decide what you might want to be on |
| 01:37.24 | spldart | hehe guest.. I was wondering that myself |
| 01:37.25 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:37.28 | ski | ok, where are those options |
| 01:37.54 | JeffM2501 | set your theme to clasic |
| 01:38.03 | ski | ok, did that |
| 01:38.08 | JeffM2501 | got to aperaance |
| 01:38.13 | JeffM2501 | hit efects |
| 01:38.22 | JeffM2501 | turn all that stuff off |
| 01:38.42 | spldart | that can help alot temporarily |
| 01:39.04 | ski | ok, did that....should i go into advanced?> |
| 01:39.07 | JeffM2501 | it will free up ram |
| 01:39.08 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:39.11 | ski | k |
| 01:39.13 | JeffM2501 | advanced is just colors |
| 01:39.18 | ski | k |
| 01:39.27 | JeffM2501 | now hit services and turn off stuff you don't need |
| 01:39.32 | JeffM2501 | then go buy more ram |
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| 01:39.57 | ski | wheres services? i dont see it |
| 01:40.04 | orchid | guest: knoppix might |
| 01:40.17 | JeffM2501 | admin tools |
| 01:40.24 | JeffM2501 | in controll pannels |
| 01:40.57 | ski | k, i see it |
| 01:41.05 | spldart | start run services.msc |
| 01:41.40 | ski | hmm, i dont know what i should turn off....is any of it necessary>??? |
| 01:41.51 | blast007 | hold on, I have a link |
| 01:42.00 | ski | k |
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| 01:42.51 | spldart | blackviper |
| 01:43.11 | spldart | he's got great infor on services |
| 01:43.14 | blast007 | http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm |
| 01:43.16 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 01:43.23 | JeffM2501 | what ones are started? |
| 01:43.46 | JeffM2501 | or look in the task manager and see what ones suck up the most ram :) |
| 01:44.27 | LordSarpedon | services dont appear in taskmanager |
| 01:44.37 | JeffM2501 | they do as processes |
| 01:44.38 | guest | orchid: no, it doesn't |
| 01:44.51 | LordSarpedon | no, jeff |
| 01:44.59 | JeffM2501 | if they arn't there then they arn't using resources |
| 01:45.25 | JeffM2501 | they don't show as the same kinda list sure |
| 01:45.27 | LordSarpedon | services, running or not, do not appear in taskmanager |
| 01:45.39 | JeffM2501 | but the process list shows him how much ram he's using |
| 01:45.47 | LordSarpedon | sometimes they are hosted for svchost.exe for various reasons |
| 01:45.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:46.02 | JeffM2501 | and you'd see the svhost using up ram |
| 01:46.08 | LordSarpedon | yes, but it wont tell you how much ram a specific service is using. a regular process, sure |
| 01:46.10 | blast007 | but you can't tell which process is which |
| 01:46.16 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 01:46.17 | blast007 | er, s/process/service/ |
| 01:46.20 | LordSarpedon | and most services dont use svchost |
| 01:46.30 | JeffM2501 | but he needs an idea of what is eating his ram |
| 01:46.37 | JeffM2501 | if it's svhost then its services |
| 01:46.51 | JeffM2501 | if svhost isn't using that much ram, then turning off servivces won't gain him much |
| 01:46.58 | ski | true |
| 01:47.06 | JeffM2501 | you use both together :) |
| 01:47.11 | LordSarpedon | for example, as it stands, no svchosts are running on this computer but the default services are running |
| 01:47.31 | JeffM2501 | cus when he sees "gator.exe' using 50 megs of ram, he'll know what to do :) |
| 01:47.41 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:47.45 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:47.47 | spldart | I thougt this was a fresh install |
| 01:48.00 | JeffM2501 | it's on the net |
| 01:48.03 | JeffM2501 | he's p0wnzord |
| 01:48.24 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:48.35 | ski | heh |
| 01:48.40 | LordSarpedon | likely has blaster, sasser, and others by now |
| 01:48.55 | LordSarpedon | its funny...you dont have to run linux updates the second you install it |
| 01:48.58 | blast007 | oh...heh, just noticed that spldart had already pasted blackviper's link a few screens up :/ |
| 01:49.05 | JeffM2501 | look, coolsearchwebbar just got installed |
| 01:49.45 | LordSarpedon | ski: run windows update and get firefox |
| 01:49.50 | LordSarpedon | THEN turn off services |
| 01:50.26 | blast007 | hopefully it already has SP2 |
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| 01:50.48 | ski | k |
| 01:50.49 | spldart | OMG I hate SP2 |
| 01:50.50 | LordSarpedon | lets hope not |
| 01:50.53 | LordSarpedon | sp2 is garbage |
| 01:50.57 | spldart | YEA |
| 01:51.00 | spldart | What Lord said |
| 01:51.04 | ski | im gonna try some of this stuff... |
| 01:51.08 | ski | bbl |
| 01:51.12 | ski | thanks everyone!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:51.35 | spldart | K |
| 01:51.43 | spldart | Esp on a slow machine |
| 01:51.51 | BIYA | It hasnt effected me any |
| 01:51.51 | spldart | SP2 will eat your ram and your lunch |
| 01:52.10 | LordSarpedon | sp2 is not a good thing at all. |
| 01:52.10 | BIYA | lol I guess im alone with this |
| 01:52.15 | wegstar | oops too late :( |
| 01:52.28 | blast007 | Well, I like some of the aspects of SP2 |
| 01:52.47 | blast007 | but I feel they went a little crazy with it |
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| 01:55.28 | spldart | sp2 is fine for the less 1337 with fairly new/fast machines. |
| 01:55.36 | spldart | But I hate overhead |
| 01:55.36 | blast007 | and I've seen a worse setup than a 450MHz with 188MB....it was a 450MHz with 64MB running XP ;) |
| 01:56.38 | spldart | I wouldnt' recommend less than 128 meg though. I can get it going decent on 128 |
| 01:56.59 | blast007 | yeah, for XP you really should have at least 256MB, if not more |
| 02:07.46 | brlcad | 'lo MeBigFatGuy |
| 02:07.51 | MeBigFatGuy | lo |
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| 02:10.31 | BIYA | bbl |
| 02:11.54 | spldart | BBL |
| 02:11.56 | spldart | cyah's |
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| 02:17.09 | SportChick | Aribeth: ping |
| 02:21.08 | Aribeth | hi |
| 02:21.23 | Aribeth | SportChick pong |
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| 03:42.30 | jpa- | morning |
| 03:45.35 | jpa- | WTF?!? |
| 03:45.40 | jpa- | freenode going down? |
| 03:45.45 | jpa- | ah |
| 03:45.47 | jpa- | april :( |
| 03:46.33 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:46.41 | brlcad | that was pretty good |
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| 03:46.46 | jpa- | yes it was |
| 03:46.58 | jpa- | damn i was shocked :D |
| 03:47.12 | trepan | LouMan's mappin' up a storm |
| 03:47.45 | jpa- | three days without irc.. i would have died |
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| 03:48.44 | jpa- | hi sgk284 |
| 03:48.55 | jpa- | and bye, freenode is shutting down for three days |
| 03:57.21 | creeperz | freenode is shutting down? |
| 03:57.27 | jpa- | yes |
| 03:57.31 | creeperz | for 3 days? |
| 03:57.45 | jpa- | yes |
| 03:57.45 | jpa- | 06:44:45 [freenode] -lilo(lilo@lilo.netop.oftc.net)- [Global Notice] Good morning to all. URGENT NEWS ITEM on |
| 03:57.49 | jpa- | the website. THE SERVERS WILL BE SHUTTING DOWN IN FIVE MINUTES AND WILL BE DOWN FOR THE NEXT THREE DAYS. |
| 03:57.55 | creeperz | crapola |
| 03:58.41 | jpa- | http://freenode.net/news.shtml |
| 04:00.28 | blast007 | oh, hehe |
| 04:02.02 | *** join/#bzflag kyelewis[2] (~kyelewis@kyelewis.user) |
| 04:03.16 | sgk284 | hey jpa, morning |
| 04:03.37 | *** join/#bzflag [Prez|Kennedy] (~Matthew@resnet-253-237.resnet.umbc.edu) |
| 04:05.09 | cods | reading discussion about my map above, about inside points, indeed some points are missing but it's because it's very hard to define them automatically. I'm "waiting" that bzflag handle inside/outside stuff without the need for specifying inside points. |
| 04:05.18 | sgk284 | how many more minutes? |
| 04:05.30 | wegstar | ? |
| 04:05.40 | wegstar | whyat? |
| 04:06.43 | wegstar | what's going on? |
| 04:13.29 | wegstar | heh |
| 04:19.42 | sgk284 | amazing |
| 04:19.44 | sgk284 | bravo |
| 04:41.54 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.87.89.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 04:42.31 | BIYA | --(__)(__)- mmmm marshmellows |
| 04:45.31 | SportChick | trepan: very much so |
| 04:45.37 | SportChick | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 04:45.38 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #bzflag (1d 21h 38m 43s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 1d 10h 20m 56s |
| 04:45.41 | sgk284 | hey SportChick |
| 04:45.45 | SportChick | hiya sgk |
| 04:45.49 | sgk284 | how goes it? |
| 04:45.58 | SportChick | good-come try loumna's new map |
| 04:46.05 | sgk284 | k |
| 04:47.17 | SportChick | we're on bzflag.norange.ca btw |
| 04:48.14 | BIYA | Any DEV's awake? |
| 04:48.18 | cods | norang.ca without 'e' |
| 04:50.32 | BIYA | ~bzflquery DTRemenak.bakadigital.com:6001 |
| 04:50.45 | BIYA | oops |
| 04:50.50 | BIYA | ~bzfquery DTRemenak.bakadigital.com:6001 |
| 04:51.02 | BIYA | :) |
| 04:51.30 | BIYA | I was just checking your server DTR |
| 04:51.51 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 04:51.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 04:52.04 | BIYA | jeff is back :) |
| 04:52.06 | DTRemenak | 6001 was pretty busy earlier today |
| 04:52.13 | *** join/#bzflag kyelewis[2] (~kyelewis@kyelewis.user) |
| 04:52.20 | DTRemenak | people seem to like it |
| 04:52.22 | BIYA | Yeah.... It is almost always busy |
| 04:52.46 | BIYA | They said that being there.... is like a whole nother game.. |
| 04:52.59 | DTRemenak | it's pretty different, yeah |
| 04:53.15 | DTRemenak | the jump and wings settings along with the mountains... |
| 04:53.21 | DTRemenak | and no radar |
| 04:53.26 | BIYA | :) |
| 04:54.03 | BIYA | Somtimes I wish we could hide our @ sign.. |
| 04:54.15 | BIYA | people keep asking me for admin abilities |
| 04:54.43 | DTRemenak | heh, one in particular |
| 04:54.59 | BIYA | Asking me? |
| 04:55.23 | DTRemenak | asked me rather persistently, so I grepped the logs for his callsign |
| 04:55.28 | *** join/#bzflag bz6253 (~d252520d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 04:55.33 | DTRemenak | and he had bothered you about it also |
| 04:55.42 | BIYA | Slon? |
| 04:55.46 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 04:55.59 | BIYA | What about Bzlf? |
| 04:56.13 | DTRemenak | he hasn't asked me |
| 04:56.19 | BIYA | I mean he waited there for like 2 days for me to show up |
| 04:56.20 | JeffM2501 | who what where? |
| 04:56.57 | BIYA | Players, admin abilities, and DTR's server |
| 04:57.00 | DTRemenak | personally I think anyone who *asks* for admin probably doesn't deserve it |
| 04:57.01 | BIYA | Jeff |
| 04:57.20 | JeffM2501 | that is my name |
| 04:57.39 | JeffM2501 | or at least that's what it says on my underwear |
| 04:57.42 | DTRemenak | probably lots of other folks' name too |
| 04:57.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:57.54 | DTRemenak | and probably on other folks' underwear, too :) |
| 04:57.57 | JeffM2501 | it's a early 70s name |
| 04:58.18 | JeffM2501 | other people have my underwear? |
| 04:58.23 | JeffM2501 | well damn, that's where it went |
| 04:58.38 | DTRemenak | yeah, the dryer gnomes steal it and sell it to other people |
| 04:58.57 | BIYA | O so thats where my mom got it from |
| 04:59.24 | JeffM2501 | eww pepeople ople buy that stuff? |
| 04:59.26 | brlcad | wouldn't have to do laundry as much |
| 04:59.40 | BIYA | guess so |
| 04:59.52 | BIYA | gnomes still steal your underware? |
| 05:01.55 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (~spldart@cpe-67-10-210-195.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 05:02.05 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 05:02.38 | spldart | I kinda like the new louman islands map |
| 05:02.56 | BIYA | He made anather? |
| 05:03.23 | spldart | All to many times though a tank with laser on another island just camped and zapped me as I spawned |
| 05:03.32 | spldart | Sure biya. It's public... Go play it |
| 05:03.50 | spldart | I ended up breaking from character and picking team and doing some helpcat |
| 05:03.58 | BIYA | naa I dont really like his maps... no reason just dont |
| 05:04.08 | spldart | I love them generally |
| 05:04.15 | spldart | That's why I run his TimeTrials |
| 05:04.24 | spldart | I just customize it a little |
| 05:04.51 | Tegan | is anyone else having trouble accessing the list server and logging in globally? |
| 05:05.03 | spldart | Not that I've noticed |
| 05:05.36 | blast007 | Tegan: can you get to http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST ? |
| 05:05.51 | Tegan | yes |
| 05:06.49 | spldart | I know the name Tegan... You fragged me a few times tonight :eek: |
| 05:06.53 | blast007 | hmm, so really the client should be able to get there too, unless you're behind a proxy |
| 05:06.56 | spldart | hehehe |
| 05:07.04 | Tegan | not tonight |
| 05:07.31 | spldart | Not tonight? |
| 05:07.32 | BIYA | spldart.. I found the programs that let me overclock mys system..... |
| 05:07.41 | spldart | oh? |
| 05:07.54 | blast007 | EZ-Ov3rCl0ck? ;) |
| 05:07.57 | Tegan | I didn't frag you tonight, nor vice versa |
| 05:08.02 | BIYA | no |
| 05:08.12 | spldart | wait.... I saw your name on a server tonight :eek: |
| 05:08.14 | JeffM2501 | is it called "the bios"? |
| 05:08.16 | spldart | I'm sure of it |
| 05:08.19 | BIYA | V-Tuner and Easy tune 4 :) |
| 05:08.22 | spldart | :( |
| 05:08.32 | spldart | Somebody else using your name? |
| 05:08.42 | blast007 | easy tune 4...hmm, I recally my desktop PC coming with that |
| 05:08.46 | Tegan | I was observing on Secretplace for a while |
| 05:08.50 | spldart | hrm |
| 05:09.03 | BIYA | Did you get a Giga-Byte mobo? |
| 05:09.04 | spldart | I thought I saw you on the louman map for a bit |
| 05:09.06 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:09.08 | spldart | I are confuzled |
| 05:09.10 | JeffM2501 | software tuing may not work on all mobos |
| 05:09.22 | Tegan | no, maybe that was Aribeth on Islands map |
| 05:09.23 | JeffM2501 | the bios has to spport a real time FSB tweak |
| 05:09.33 | BIYA | Yeah I know.... V-Tuner seems to not work but Easy tune might |
| 05:09.49 | spldart | OK... Old age must be damaging my brain cells :( |
| 05:10.11 | BIYA | bbl restarting comp |
| 05:10.32 | BIYA | time to put that Electric Cooler to test |
| 05:10.36 | JeffM2501 | unless your ram can handle the FSB bump overclocking is nto simple |
| 05:10.38 | spldart | OC convo: I generally won't by a mobo that doesn't support some bios tweaking |
| 05:11.08 | spldart | In this rig I bumped buss, multiplier, and sped up the memory timings |
| 05:11.11 | spldart | really helped |
| 05:11.38 | BIYA | I tried it in the bios one time.. got over wellmed and put it up to high.. took the battery out for 5min and it was good |
| 05:12.02 | spldart | small steps Anny smal steps |
| 05:12.03 | spldart | LOL |
| 05:12.11 | BIYA | Yes I have learned |
| 05:12.27 | BIYA | And ask Jeff has said "I fear for your system" |
| 05:12.29 | JeffM2501 | why didn't you just hit the reset jumper |
| 05:12.36 | spldart | wait.. annie = ellie |
| 05:12.41 | JeffM2501 | I fear it because you edit EXE files |
| 05:12.45 | JeffM2501 | and corupt them |
| 05:12.50 | JeffM2501 | since often you seem to have no clue |
| 05:12.52 | BIYA | I dont do it on perpose |
| 05:12.53 | JeffM2501 | what your doing |
| 05:13.01 | JeffM2501 | still dosn't change it from happening :) |
| 05:13.06 | blast007 | how do you accidentally edit an EXE file? :) |
| 05:13.07 | BIYA | :) I know |
| 05:13.08 | JeffM2501 | I fear no P4 |
| 05:13.29 | wegstar | change the extension to .txt and edit them :P |
| 05:13.33 | blast007 | hehe |
| 05:13.34 | spldart | BTW... Do you burn test your OCs with a good utility.... Like Prime 95 or something? |
| 05:13.35 | BIYA | I give you a screenie of what I DID to my command prompt that might be the cause |
| 05:13.53 | *** part/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 05:13.57 | wegstar | the only thing understandable is the words "This program cannot be run under DOS mode" :P |
| 05:13.59 | JeffM2501 | don't want your screenie |
| 05:14.04 | JeffM2501 | just stop doing it |
| 05:14.07 | JeffM2501 | use a shortcut |
| 05:14.11 | blast007 | I edit bzflag.exe once in edit.com ;) changed some of the text in the help menu |
| 05:14.21 | spldart | hehe |
| 05:14.23 | wegstar | whaaaat?? |
| 05:14.28 | BIYA | I am using a shortcut |
| 05:14.40 | JeffM2501 | then where does the command prompt come in? |
| 05:14.44 | JeffM2501 | no CLI on a shortie |
| 05:14.59 | wegstar | ahh.. my ignorant past... |
| 05:15.01 | blast007 | wegstar: that's cuz notepad isn't binary safe ;) |
| 05:15.09 | wegstar | of course :) |
| 05:15.12 | blast007 | had to instruct edit.com to open the files in binary mode |
| 05:15.26 | JeffM2501 | you can do it in VC as well |
| 05:15.31 | wegstar | yeah... |
| 05:15.39 | spldart | Ooooops |
| 05:15.43 | spldart | I think I corrupted one |
| 05:15.49 | spldart | :( |
| 05:15.58 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:16.05 | blast007 | it's probably nothing important, just explorer.exe |
| 05:16.13 | blast007 | ;) |
| 05:16.29 | wegstar | hehe |
| 05:17.08 | blast007 | and heck, I hacked explorer.exe before too...changed the Start button to say "Crash" |
| 05:17.35 | spldart | kernal.exe |
| 05:17.40 | wegstar | err.. |
| 05:17.41 | spldart | was that imporant ;) |
| 05:17.44 | spldart | hehehehe |
| 05:17.54 | spldart | LOL at crash |
| 05:19.18 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 05:20.07 | Tegan | Suddenly I cannot log in at maps, but the Forum login still works. |
| 05:20.36 | spldart | Did somebody hack your .exe? .... Sorry, bad joke, had too :( |
| 05:20.47 | Tegan | .exe? that's a windows thing |
| 05:21.07 | spldart | Umm.... yeah |
| 05:21.35 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:21.38 | spldart | BTW Biya: did you get your map started? |
| 05:21.52 | BIYA | no |
| 05:21.57 | spldart | :( |
| 05:22.17 | BIYA | Its my system im sure of it |
| 05:22.27 | spldart | hrm |
| 05:23.21 | BIYA | weird though cause jeff said it would be hard to run the server... cause there was no area to spawn on if there was a giant dome over the map |
| 05:23.36 | BIYA | but yet you got it to run |
| 05:23.41 | spldart | yeha |
| 05:23.51 | spldart | yeah. once the world size was reduced |
| 05:24.00 | spldart | Otherwise I was stuck outside |
| 05:24.01 | spldart | :( |
| 05:24.16 | BIYA | it only needs to be like 810 |
| 05:24.24 | BIYA | or to be safe 850 |
| 05:24.25 | spldart | ic |
| 05:24.37 | BIYA | :) but its fun to play with the sun... |
| 05:24.42 | spldart | yep |
| 05:25.03 | BIYA | Its like "It takes years to go to mars, I did it in 30sec." |
| 05:25.10 | spldart | But.... It still might be more of a truism to make the sun a death object. |
| 05:25.21 | spldart | hehehe |
| 05:25.27 | wegstar | "years"? |
| 05:25.46 | BIYA | 3 I think it will take for our current technologie |
| 05:25.59 | wegstar | nope... |
| 05:26.04 | JeffM2501 | current is a bout a year on a concerviteve flight |
| 05:26.05 | spldart | We can do it faster once every several years easy |
| 05:26.10 | JeffM2501 | less if you wana burn it |
| 05:26.25 | BIYA | o |
| 05:26.26 | BIYA | my bad |
| 05:26.35 | blast007 | Activate the hyper drive! |
| 05:26.39 | BIYA | well still 30secs beats 1 year |
| 05:26.50 | BIYA | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.54 | BIYA | on |
| 05:26.56 | spldart | hehe |
| 05:27.00 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:27.09 | JeffM2501 | I'll take the year, res is better on mars and the geometry has some better definition |
| 05:27.14 | JeffM2501 | and there is a place to spawn :) |
| 05:27.25 | BIYA | LOL |
| 05:27.38 | BIYA | I dont know.. spldart has the spawning figured out |
| 05:27.42 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.48 | DTRemenak | try spawn zones? |
| 05:27.56 | BIYA | Did'nt work |
| 05:28.16 | BIYA | spldart.. that will make you jump to different servers :( |
| 05:28.18 | BIYA | :) |
| 05:28.23 | spldart | hehe |
| 05:28.35 | spldart | That's all I do anyway ;) |
| 05:28.39 | BIYA | Ion Drive |
| 05:28.40 | BIYA | lol |
| 05:28.58 | wegstar | Ion Drive? |
| 05:29.07 | spldart | Spin up the FTL drive~ |
| 05:29.31 | BIYA | harddrive :) |
| 05:30.49 | spldart | Multiple striped hardrives ;) |
| 05:31.01 | spldart | In a 64/66 slot :D |
| 05:31.18 | BIYA | lol |
| 05:31.33 | BIYA | Dual 250Gb HardDrives |
| 05:32.52 | spldart | Formatted .45 tbyte goodness |
| 05:33.08 | BIYA | A mans dream.. |
| 05:33.29 | spldart | I need more HD |
| 05:33.44 | spldart | Like 8 sata drives in raid 0 |
| 05:33.45 | BIYA | 40GB here :( |
| 05:34.15 | blast007 | http://www.alienware.com/GearShop_Pages/Gear_Shop_Detail.aspx?ItemId=12948&CatId=1193 |
| 05:34.17 | spldart | I crave I/O speed |
| 05:34.43 | blast007 | 1.6TB :) |
| 05:35.52 | spldart | That's way to expensive. I have a 40 gig laptop portable HD case that plugs in to usb that I take to work and back. |
| 05:36.07 | spldart | 100 bux total |
| 05:36.30 | spldart | That's big enough to take 6 average DVD rips home ;) |
| 05:36.35 | *** kick/#bzflag [BIYA!~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 05:36.43 | JeffM2501 | he's just messing with those that help |
| 05:36.50 | JeffM2501 | I sugest noone else help him |
| 05:37.07 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 05:37.11 | blast007 | Imagine a 1.6TB hard drive crashing... |
| 05:37.25 | JeffM2501 | ask scanline and purple_cow about it :) |
| 05:37.28 | blast007 | hehe |
| 05:37.44 | spldart | It's kinda cool isn't it orchid |
| 05:37.55 | orchid | yeah its pretty even |
| 05:38.11 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 05:38.17 | spldart | cool |
| 05:38.18 | scanline | hah |
| 05:38.28 | JeffM2501 | spldart----------------------------------------------|--------------JeffM |
| 05:38.38 | JeffM2501 | your not near that line |
| 05:38.45 | sgk284 | hrm anyreason why i shouldn't let meshes follow the graphics settings? as it is right now, they ignore texture settings and stuff |
| 05:38.52 | spldart | Little close for confort :( |
| 05:38.54 | sgk284 | would be an easy fix |
| 05:39.19 | sgk284 | maybe allow for a default color in the map for a mesh, if none is specified make it some standard color or a random color |
| 05:39.22 | JeffM2501 | that line is where the irritation point is |
| 05:39.27 | JeffM2501 | your name is where you are |
| 05:39.33 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, yeah hook it up |
| 05:39.34 | spldart | ah |
| 05:39.39 | spldart | whew |
| 05:39.41 | sgk284 | random or predefined |
| 05:39.42 | sgk284 | ? |
| 05:39.50 | JeffM2501 | predefined |
| 05:39.53 | sgk284 | k |
| 05:39.54 | JeffM2501 | same as all otherr object |
| 05:39.59 | JeffM2501 | unless it has a color component |
| 05:40.03 | sgk284 | k |
| 05:40.09 | JeffM2501 | spldart, for biya it's this |
| 05:40.24 | JeffM2501 | |-----biya--Jeffm |
| 05:40.33 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:40.39 | spldart | ah ic |
| 05:41.13 | spldart | I was a tad worried cuz I get off topic at times and am such a n00b sometimes |
| 05:41.27 | JeffM2501 | but you never ask the same thing over and over again |
| 05:41.39 | Tegan | no help in the debug output |
| 05:41.48 | JeffM2501 | or pretend to not get it just to piss off the person helping you |
| 05:42.19 | spldart | Ok |
| 05:42.30 | Tegan | but the bzadmin uses global login okay |
| 05:42.41 | spldart | Tis a shame.. I helped him alot last night on his map |
| 05:42.55 | spldart | Nothing to technical. Just running and troubleshooting |
| 05:42.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah a lot of people did |
| 05:43.05 | JeffM2501 | and he just throws it in there faces |
| 05:43.09 | sgk284 | tegan, whats the problem? |
| 05:43.10 | orchid | Tegan: but the client wont login globally still? |
| 05:43.18 | Tegan | correct |
| 05:43.26 | JeffM2501 | change port for list server to 81 |
| 05:43.32 | sgk284 | are you specifiying the password from the command line? |
| 05:43.34 | blast007 | well, the bzadmin works though |
| 05:43.46 | uso | but you surely have tried this tegan |
| 05:43.47 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't use the same URL stuff I don't htink |
| 05:43.53 | blast007 | ah |
| 05:44.05 | *** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-8-57.paradise.net.nz) |
| 05:44.22 | Tegan | command-line, no, only with bzadmin |
| 05:45.47 | sgk284 | tegan: "bzadmin tegan:pword@server" doesnt work? |
| 05:45.55 | Tegan | yes, that works |
| 05:46.00 | Tegan | bzflag is the problem |
| 05:46.06 | sgk284 | ahh |
| 05:46.14 | sgk284 | bzflag wont globally authenticate? |
| 05:46.21 | sgk284 | is it an official release or from cvs? |
| 05:46.31 | Tegan | it just started within the past hour or so |
| 05:46.49 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, but why would the port change within the hour? |
| 05:46.56 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.87.89.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 05:46.59 | JeffM2501 | it didn't |
| 05:47.13 | blast007 | port 81 might bypass caching, if there is any |
| 05:47.14 | JeffM2501 | make it bypass any caching proxys on the line |
| 05:47.23 | sgk284 | ahh |
| 05:47.25 | JeffM2501 | I want to make 81 the default |
| 05:47.28 | BIYA | spldart..... |
| 05:47.37 | JeffM2501 | BOOYA |
| 05:47.42 | *** kick/#bzflag [BIYA!~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 05:47.50 | blast007 | hehe |
| 05:47.51 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, then make it default :) |
| 05:47.51 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.87.89.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 05:48.04 | spldart | oop |
| 05:48.09 | sgk284 | see if anyone complains, cvs is great at reverting ;) |
| 05:48.15 | BIYA | spldart |
| 05:48.29 | sgk284 | biya... i wouldnt recommend that |
| 05:48.39 | sgk284 | pm him outside of this channel |
| 05:48.41 | BIYA | huh? |
| 05:48.44 | BIYA | o |
| 05:48.48 | JeffM2501 | bye bye |
| 05:48.51 | BIYA | lol |
| 05:48.53 | *** kick/#bzflag [BIYA!~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 05:48.56 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:48.59 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.87.89.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 05:49.11 | sgk284 | its almost like its an april fool's day joke |
| 05:49.15 | JeffM2501 | allmost |
| 05:49.28 | JeffM2501 | but it's still the 31st here :) |
| 05:49.51 | JeffM2501 | wait till you see what happens on the 1st :) |
| 05:49.58 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:49.59 | sgk284 | yea i've beend wondering:) |
| 05:50.06 | sgk284 | last yeat was good |
| 05:50.09 | sgk284 | year* |
| 05:51.01 | uso | after a few seconds moving around |
| 05:52.07 | spldart | uh oh.. waiting for 4/1 on all my favorite BBs |
| 05:52.21 | JeffM2501 | fark started early |
| 05:53.11 | spldart | Biya is messaging me outside this channel heh |
| 05:53.30 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats his boat |
| 05:53.37 | JeffM2501 | if I were you I'd not help him |
| 05:53.45 | JeffM2501 | but that's up to you |
| 05:53.53 | spldart | I'm seriously considering it |
| 05:53.56 | sgk284 | slashdot is always interesting |
| 05:53.57 | spldart | Not helping |
| 05:54.05 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot easyer |
| 05:54.05 | *** join/#bzflag Punku1 (~chris@222.153.210.20) |
| 05:54.09 | Punku1 | hi |
| 05:54.13 | blast007 | hello |
| 05:54.31 | spldart | I'm going to just pretend to get disconnected |
| 05:54.36 | spldart | I cyah guys later |
| 05:54.40 | spldart | nighty night |
| 05:54.41 | Punku1 | bye |
| 05:54.47 | Thumper_ | SportChick: hi |
| 05:54.48 | wegstar | night spldart |
| 05:55.24 | SportChick | Thumper_: hiya |
| 05:55.26 | Punku1 | hi Thumper_ |
| 05:55.32 | JeffM2501 | now I hope that the best apple could come up with wasn't "tiger went gold" |
| 05:55.41 | jpa- | monrning |
| 05:56.45 | jpa- | gnight SportChick |
| 05:57.03 | *** part/#bzflag Punku1 (~chris@222.153.210.20) |
| 05:57.33 | Tegan | hmmm, something in my .bzf went bad and caused it |
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| 05:57.42 | Punkus | hi again |
| 05:58.19 | JeffM2501 | ha "dns is good" |
| 06:00.02 | Punkus | Can someone test our webserver for me? |
| 06:00.41 | Punkus | http://linuxathome.ath.cx/~chris/ <-- tell if it works please |
| 06:00.54 | sgk284 | nope |
| 06:00.56 | sgk284 | bad perms |
| 06:01.01 | Punkus | perms? |
| 06:01.02 | Punkus | ok |
| 06:01.05 | sgk284 | permissions |
| 06:01.14 | blast007 | 403 error |
| 06:01.48 | sgk284 | blast007, isnt that a perm problem? |
| 06:01.58 | sgk284 | or .htaccess or something to that effect |
| 06:02.04 | blast007 | it's probably locked down to certain IP addresses |
| 06:02.16 | blast007 | yeah, .htaccess or the apache conf |
| 06:04.16 | sgk284 | punkus, temportaily 666 it or something and check .htaccess |
| 06:05.06 | Tegan | thanks all |
| 06:05.09 | *** part/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 06:05.30 | Punkus | no, its the permmision of my dir |
| 06:05.35 | Punkus | try again |
| 06:05.49 | Punkus | waaaiiit... theres nothing there :P |
| 06:05.59 | blast007 | ah, hehe |
| 06:06.12 | blast007 | so it's just preventing us from seeing the directory index ;) |
| 06:07.04 | wegstar | blast007: did you fix bzflist.php so that it is HTML 4.01 transitional? |
| 06:07.06 | Punkus | yeah |
| 06:07.06 | blast007 | or maybe not |
| 06:07.08 | wegstar | :) |
| 06:07.20 | blast007 | wegstar: not yet :) |
| 06:07.35 | sgk284 | it works |
| 06:07.44 | sgk284 | music on websites is annoying.... |
| 06:07.58 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:08.12 | blast007 | eeek, midi |
| 06:08.16 | Punkus | sgk284: my website works? |
| 06:08.21 | blast007 | yup |
| 06:08.26 | Punkus | sweet |
| 06:08.32 | wegstar | nice... |
| 06:08.34 | Punkus | wats wrong with midi ? |
| 06:08.56 | sgk284 | punkus, yea it works |
| 06:09.03 | wegstar | where'd you get the midi? |
| 06:09.08 | Punkus | i dont ever listen to it, because some reason firefox doesn't play them... |
| 06:09.12 | blast007 | just that I realized my synthesizer volume was way up ;) |
| 06:09.13 | Punkus | from a game |
| 06:09.17 | sgk284 | i dunno, just all the web design stuff i've ever read has cautioned against random media stuff like that |
| 06:09.19 | wegstar | firefox does on mine :) |
| 06:09.23 | sgk284 | just tends to be abused :) |
| 06:09.33 | sgk284 | i'm viewing it in firefox |
| 06:09.35 | Punkus | lol |
| 06:09.38 | Punkus | oh |
| 06:09.57 | Punkus | its still copying over my old website dir over |
| 06:10.05 | orchid | blast007: you use the synth with windows or linux or mac? |
| 06:10.09 | Punkus | so your only seeing a little bit of my website |
| 06:10.23 | Punkus | i use linux ! |
| 06:10.37 | blast007 | orchid: oh, I just mean the volume control item that does midi volume |
| 06:10.52 | orchid | Punkus: "Sorry about my spelling mistakes if their is any" |
| 06:11.07 | wegstar | lol |
| 06:11.12 | Punkus | i know |
| 06:11.19 | Punkus | that is a spelling mistake :P |
| 06:11.21 | blast007 | :) |
| 06:11.22 | Punkus | well.. grammer |
| 06:11.39 | Punkus | i've known that little things for ages |
| 06:11.44 | orchid | blast007: ahh ok |
| 06:11.46 | Punkus | but cant be bothered to go and fix it |
| 06:11.54 | Punkus | heh |
| 06:12.21 | Punkus | well, atleast this should work now - http://linuxathome.ath.cx/~chris/civil_war.bzw |
| 06:12.28 | Punkus | hopefully... |
| 06:12.33 | wegstar | not found |
| 06:12.34 | blast007 | 404 ;) |
| 06:13.10 | Punkus | still copying it all over |
| 06:13.15 | Punkus | heh |
| 06:13.50 | sgk284 | night folks |
| 06:13.57 | wegstar | night sgk284 |
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| 06:16.20 | Punkus | ack... still copying over the files |
| 06:16.26 | Punkus | hi ToughShooter |
| 06:16.28 | wegstar | eek |
| 06:16.35 | Punkus | wegstar: wat? |
| 06:16.46 | wegstar | nothing :) |
| 06:16.50 | wegstar | just looking at my old maps |
| 06:20.41 | Punkus | i should hurry up and finish my map... |
| 06:21.19 | Punkus | there, try that --> http://linuxathome.ath.cx/~chris/civil_war.bzw |
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| 06:21.51 | wegstar | ok |
| 06:22.14 | Aribeth | hi SportChick |
| 06:22.58 | Punkus | hi SportChick |
| 06:23.37 | Punkus | wegstar: that work ? |
| 06:23.41 | wegstar | yep |
| 06:23.46 | Punkus | =) |
| 06:24.22 | wegstar | got any problems with it? |
| 06:24.57 | wegstar | I see that you have commented out "#boxes in the middle" |
| 06:24.58 | Punkus | umm.. i think that might be an old version |
| 06:25.01 | wegstar | oh |
| 06:25.12 | wegstar | :) |
| 06:25.13 | Punkus | ill update it |
| 06:27.37 | Punkus | try again |
| 06:27.40 | Punkus | its updated now |
| 06:28.04 | wegstar | k |
| 06:29.17 | wegstar | looks fine... |
| 06:30.59 | wegstar | night all |
| 06:31.01 | Punkus | lol |
| 06:31.03 | Punkus | night |
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| 07:11.10 | Nidhoggr | options section in .bzw file work ok? I never used it before. |
| 07:11.54 | jpa- | yes it does |
| 07:12.00 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 07:12.05 | jpa- | except it does not support all stuff, like -password |
| 07:12.11 | jpa- | (for obvious reasons) |
| 07:12.14 | Nidhoggr | do options override stuff in conf? |
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| 07:19.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah I think so |
| 07:19.45 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it's conf then map then CLI in order |
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| 07:54.53 | Nidhoggr | check out new secretplace map. :) |
| 07:56.32 | Nidhoggr | & |
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| 10:01.49 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all |
| 10:02.09 | LePoulpe303 | anyone can help me for bzflag 2.0 on fedora ? |
| 10:04.22 | LePoulpe303 | when i try to install it i have libs not found and i don't know where to get them |
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| 12:24.06 | Birdie | ~seen nidhoggr |
| 12:24.07 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #bzflag (2d 5h 17m 12s). Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 4h 27m 35s |
| 12:24.34 | Birdie | nidhoggr ping |
| 13:04.37 | ToughShooter | ~karma |
| 13:04.37 | ibot | toughshooter has karma of 7 |
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| 13:57.00 | Pimpinella | ToughShooter: problem fixed yet? |
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| 14:58.09 | spldart | Morning all |
| 14:58.44 | Bagheera | mornin spldart |
| 15:01.11 | Pimpinella | grumble |
| 15:01.47 | spldart | heh |
| 15:02.02 | learner | ~fling at brlcad |
| 15:02.05 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at brlcad |
| 15:11.34 | Bagheera | mornin Pimpinella |
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| 16:00.39 | orchid | !weather cyyz |
| 16:00.42 | guu | orchid: The current temperature in Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario is 48°F (10:00 AM EST on April 01, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 36°F. Pressure: 30.07 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 15.0 miles (24.1 kilometers). UV: 5 out of 16 |
| 16:01.04 | wegstar | !weather KSFO |
| 16:01.06 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in San Francisco International, California is 54°F (6:56 AM PST on April 01, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 48°F. Wind: WNW at 5 mph (7 km/h). Pressure: 30.23 in (1024 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 16:08.34 | SportChick | hehe, secretplace is a riot! |
| 16:09.24 | brlcad | !weather kbwi |
| 16:09.26 | guu | brlcad: The current temperature in Baltimore-Washington International, Maryland is 58°F (10:54 AM EST on April 01, 2005). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 44°F. Pressure: 30.09 in (1019 hPa). Visibility: 8.0 miles (12.9 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 16 |
| 16:09.59 | brlcad | hmm.. that's too nice to not "utilize" |
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| 16:16.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:18.58 | wegstar | hi jeffm |
| 16:19.59 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I am now |
| 16:20.00 | JeffM2501 | hello |
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| 16:22.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 16:25.56 | CBG | hi |
| 16:26.25 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 16:26.35 | CBG | Anyone here doing the bzcontest? |
| 16:26.45 | CBG | I need a hint to the April-Fools Task... |
| 16:26.58 | wegstar | heh... no ideas |
| 16:28.27 | CBG | :( |
| 16:28.39 | CBG | I can't remember any changes a few months ago... |
| 16:28.50 | CBG | Unless it has something to do with version 2 |
| 16:29.03 | CBG | but there was nothing Sh*t about that... lol |
| 16:30.49 | brlcad | heh, that's pretty good too |
| 16:31.03 | brlcad | though could've obfuscated it better |
| 16:31.27 | brlcad | maybe used alphabet cereal or something too :) |
| 16:31.31 | JeffM2501 | idea came very late in th eventing |
| 16:31.42 | JeffM2501 | oops |
| 16:31.43 | JeffM2501 | ww |
| 16:32.07 | CBG | what idea? |
| 16:32.30 | JeffM2501 | my idea to be come a wikka |
| 16:32.35 | wegstar | www.google.com/googlegulp/ |
| 16:32.36 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: not that I know |
| 16:34.21 | CBG | lol @ google gulp |
| 16:34.22 | JeffM2501 | "And if you don't know anyone who can give you one, don't worry – that just means you aren't cool. But very, very (very!) soon, you will be." |
| 16:34.34 | CBG | I guess thats US only, though... |
| 16:36.03 | spldart | Wicker? Like a chair? |
| 16:36.06 | spldart | ;) |
| 16:36.42 | CBG | so, nobody has a hint for the sh*t one? |
| 16:39.18 | wegstar | nope |
| 16:39.24 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 16:39.41 | CBG | I need that point if I'm gonna get the mouse mat! |
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| 16:57.50 | JeffM2501 | spldart, no the one with phenominal cosmic power |
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| 16:59.55 | JeffM2501 | now that is a prety wet poo |
| 17:02.03 | spldart | LOL! And Itty Bitty living space? |
| 17:03.06 | JeffM2501 | I've upgraded to the 2 story |
| 17:03.09 | JeffM2501 | so I have some room |
| 17:06.21 | spldart | IC |
| 17:08.57 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5154 |
| 17:09.06 | spldart | Been very quiet lately |
| 17:09.23 | JeffM2501 | do you need a domain name for that one? |
| 17:09.30 | JeffM2501 | are you static or dynamic? |
| 17:09.42 | spldart | If I decide to stay online for a long period of time yes |
| 17:09.57 | spldart | I change once every 6 months to a year |
| 17:10.06 | spldart | On the static side |
| 17:10.06 | JeffM2501 | do you want me to make you a bakadigital.com domain? |
| 17:10.40 | spldart | That would be nice.. But like mention. I'm not sure how long i will be serving. Would it be much trouble? |
| 17:10.48 | JeffM2501 | it's easy |
| 17:10.50 | spldart | I've never forwarded to a domain before |
| 17:10.53 | JeffM2501 | what subname do you want? |
| 17:11.00 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to do anything :) |
| 17:11.15 | JeffM2501 | cept change your public addr in your description |
| 17:11.15 | spldart | What do you think would be an appropriate subname? |
| 17:11.33 | JeffM2501 | what ever you want |
| 17:11.34 | spldart | My username? |
| 17:11.46 | JeffM2501 | I get as many as I want |
| 17:12.05 | JeffM2501 | to names like "DTRrenemak.bakadigital.com" are allready taken :0 |
| 17:12.26 | spldart | but "spldart.bakadigital.com" would be fine? |
| 17:12.49 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup spldart.bakadigital.com |
| 17:13.10 | spldart | Does that mean somebody is using that name? |
| 17:16.37 | JeffM2501 | just means it didn't update yet |
| 17:16.39 | JeffM2501 | can take 5 min |
| 17:16.41 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup spldart.bakadigital.com |
| 17:16.49 | JeffM2501 | there ya go :) |
| 17:17.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm the only one who can set baka domains |
| 17:17.03 | JeffM2501 | well and dtr |
| 17:17.14 | JeffM2501 | if the IP changes just tell me or DTR |
| 17:17.19 | JeffM2501 | and we can change it |
| 17:17.22 | spldart | So now I go into my .conf when I get home and change the public addy to "spldart.bakadigital.com"? |
| 17:17.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:17.39 | spldart | Ok |
| 17:17.41 | spldart | sweet. |
| 17:17.46 | spldart | I'll change that when I get home |
| 17:17.50 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:17.51 | spldart | thanks very much |
| 17:17.54 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 17:18.04 | JeffM2501 | makes it easyer to remember then an IP :) |
| 17:18.12 | spldart | Does that mean that www.spldart.bakadigital.com:91 would get a response from my server? |
| 17:18.26 | spldart | my web server |
| 17:18.28 | spldart | guess not |
| 17:18.30 | spldart | hehe |
| 17:19.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah it should |
| 17:19.39 | JeffM2501 | well if your server is set to accept stuff other then the IP |
| 17:19.43 | spldart | I just tried it and didn't get thoruhg.. I assume some stuff will have to update |
| 17:19.54 | JeffM2501 | some only take certan URLs |
| 17:20.02 | JeffM2501 | what server software you using? |
| 17:20.09 | spldart | Abyss personal web server |
| 17:20.23 | JeffM2501 | it probalby has a list of "allowable" URLS |
| 17:21.08 | spldart | http://67.10.210.195:91/ |
| 17:21.38 | JeffM2501 | das es forboden |
| 17:21.46 | spldart | hehe |
| 17:22.27 | spldart | http://spldart.bakadigital.com:91/ |
| 17:22.38 | spldart | workies |
| 17:23.24 | spldart | So if I decide to link all my stuff throught he domain (even abyss) it makes no difference to you or effects you in any way? |
| 17:24.05 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:24.17 | JeffM2501 | it just does a lookup for the IP |
| 17:24.18 | spldart | Sweet! Again thanks :D |
| 17:24.21 | JeffM2501 | I don't host the dns myself |
| 17:24.26 | JeffM2501 | it's thru no-ip.com |
| 17:24.30 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:24.48 | JeffM2501 | so it's hosted on like 3 datacententers |
| 17:25.10 | JeffM2501 | they give me unlimited sub domains, so why not use em :) |
| 17:25.46 | spldart | Sweet hookup |
| 17:26.17 | spldart | now if I could get RR to not block serving on :80 hehehe |
| 17:32.23 | spldart | I'm thinking of changing the directory of my /report file.txt from the BZ directory to the Abyss serve directory so I can access my bz reports away from home. As long as I give it an arbitrary file name and keep the server direcotry forbidden as it is do you think this would be a good idea? |
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| 17:41.40 | JeffM2501 | I'd personaly just password protect the dir |
| 17:41.53 | JeffM2501 | obfuscation isn't security :) |
| 17:42.26 | spldart | abyss has a password to change settings and write |
| 17:42.45 | JeffM2501 | does it do HTTACCESS? |
| 17:42.47 | spldart | hiding the directory just keeps the normal n00b from going thorugh everything |
| 17:42.51 | spldart | I don't know |
| 17:43.09 | JeffM2501 | most servers let you password protect dirs and files |
| 17:43.18 | Chestal | spldart: you can also use /viewreports if that is good enough for you |
| 17:43.19 | spldart | I'll look into that |
| 17:43.44 | spldart | lol |
| 17:43.55 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.01 | spldart | while logged in as a admin? |
| 17:44.34 | Chestal | yes, you'd need bzadmin or bzflag client of course, so it's not necessarily an option for you |
| 17:44.59 | spldart | There are times at work when it's safer to just pull a text file inside an IE window ;) |
| 17:45.01 | spldart | hehe |
| 17:45.30 | JeffM2501 | IE is never safe :) |
| 17:45.40 | spldart | I know but at work I have no choice |
| 17:45.48 | JeffM2501 | they won't firefox you? |
| 17:46.01 | spldart | many major manufacturers service software intergrates into IE on windows |
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| 17:46.32 | spldart | I do panasonic, mitsubishi, toshiba, onkyo, Mcintosh etc |
| 17:46.56 | spldart | I'm not only stuck using IE alot but completely dependent on a windows platform |
| 17:47.06 | spldart | cuz these manufacturers don't support ANY other OS |
| 17:48.36 | spldart | BTW.. Also Sony, Samsung, Aiwa and more |
| 17:50.00 | JeffM2501 | what do you do? |
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| 17:50.52 | spldart | I service consumer and commercial electronics in a factory authorized service center. I normally go by the username techman but being I'm a compy and BZ noob I decided to use my other username so nobody got the wrong idea that I was a compy guru. |
| 17:51.01 | spldart | I'm just a overlocker and dabbler |
| 17:51.33 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:52.02 | spldart | heh |
| 17:52.14 | spldart | I've got a nack for fixing and building |
| 17:52.29 | spldart | Everything from a radio to a hot rod |
| 17:52.44 | JeffM2501 | for me it's just if the part is busted, it is thrown and replaced. |
| 17:53.00 | spldart | That's what I do to. At a component level. |
| 17:53.26 | JeffM2501 | probalby not much use in trying to fix a board |
| 17:53.44 | spldart | maybe not in a computer... |
| 17:53.59 | JeffM2501 | even on like a TV |
| 17:54.02 | spldart | But a high end reciever's DSP board can cost hundreds of dollars |
| 17:54.05 | JeffM2501 | wouldn't it be cheaper to just get a new one |
| 17:54.09 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:54.12 | spldart | TV's are all serviced component level |
| 17:54.25 | spldart | We have to have a very special situation to just swap a board |
| 17:55.15 | spldart | In fact if your shop does to many board level repairs they, the manufacturers, have been known to revoke your authorization |
| 17:55.16 | spldart | :eek: |
| 17:55.20 | spldart | Subwoofer? |
| 17:55.27 | spldart | ooops |
| 17:55.34 | JeffM2501 | it went boom |
| 17:55.38 | JeffM2501 | and dosn't go boom anymore |
| 17:55.44 | spldart | In fact if your shop orders to many boards they |
| 17:55.54 | spldart | home or car? |
| 17:56.01 | JeffM2501 | home |
| 17:56.06 | spldart | powered or passive? |
| 17:56.11 | JeffM2501 | powered |
| 17:56.17 | JeffM2501 | recever is going out too :( |
| 17:56.17 | spldart | does the light come on? |
| 17:56.21 | spldart | :( |
| 17:56.24 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:56.27 | spldart | What make are they? |
| 17:56.43 | JeffM2501 | sub is like klx or some cheap ass best buy brand |
| 17:56.47 | JeffM2501 | recever is sony |
| 17:56.55 | spldart | I've done TONS of sony recievers |
| 17:56.58 | JeffM2501 | recever works, but will cut sound in and out |
| 17:57.03 | spldart | model #? |
| 17:57.10 | JeffM2501 | dono off the top of my head |
| 17:57.13 | spldart | ok |
| 17:57.30 | JeffM2501 | not a too expenive one |
| 17:57.35 | spldart | The sub could be just a blown fuse all the way up to blown output stage and bad driver |
| 17:57.52 | spldart | If you need a service manual for the sony I can prolly get it |
| 17:57.53 | JeffM2501 | ohh no it's not a sony, my dad's is a sony, mine is an RCA |
| 17:58.01 | spldart | If it's not to old it will be a .pdf file |
| 17:58.07 | spldart | eewwwww |
| 17:58.12 | JeffM2501 | it's gonna be less then 5 years old |
| 17:58.16 | spldart | rca reciever= poopy |
| 17:58.18 | spldart | hhehe |
| 17:58.19 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:58.25 | JeffM2501 | it worked fine up untill now |
| 17:58.41 | spldart | And now it cuts out? |
| 17:58.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:58.47 | spldart | Power and lights or just sound? |
| 17:58.51 | JeffM2501 | just sound |
| 17:59.11 | spldart | Could be faulty connections around the heat producing devices in teh output section |
| 17:59.17 | JeffM2501 | was thinking of just taking it apart and clenaing it |
| 17:59.28 | spldart | thermal cycles will crack little rings in the solder islands |
| 17:59.46 | JeffM2501 | so if anything was loose I could just resolder it in? |
| 17:59.55 | spldart | carefully but yes |
| 18:00.08 | spldart | Your problem might be just that simple |
| 18:00.15 | scanline | it's going to be pretty tough to tell what's loose if it's just a subtle crack in the solder joint |
| 18:00.27 | scanline | could give the whole board a going over with a hot air soldering iron ;) |
| 18:00.31 | spldart | I use a magnifyng glass al the time at work |
| 18:00.32 | JeffM2501 | maybe I could jsut hit it with a hammer |
| 18:00.38 | spldart | LOL |
| 18:01.22 | JeffM2501 | I have to find a new solution to my TV stand |
| 18:01.30 | JeffM2501 | my present setup is fugly |
| 18:01.34 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:01.55 | JeffM2501 | dvd player geeked too :( |
| 18:02.02 | JeffM2501 | thankfully those things are cheap! |
| 18:02.06 | spldart | Your having bad luck :( |
| 18:02.09 | spldart | yeah |
| 18:02.17 | spldart | But you kinda get what you pay for |
| 18:02.19 | JeffM2501 | 38$ got me a new one at Target :) |
| 18:02.36 | JeffM2501 | 40$ every year, I'm ok with that :) |
| 18:02.40 | spldart | Some of those last a couple years. Some barelymake the warranty |
| 18:02.45 | spldart | true |
| 18:02.53 | JeffM2501 | thing is freaking small |
| 18:03.10 | spldart | I like having progressive, svhs and component among other nice options |
| 18:03.15 | JeffM2501 | like 7 inches square, and like an inch high |
| 18:03.21 | spldart | sounds cool |
| 18:03.25 | JeffM2501 | the 38$ is progressive even |
| 18:03.31 | spldart | sweet |
| 18:03.32 | JeffM2501 | has all that |
| 18:03.41 | spldart | I'll have to check it out |
| 18:03.54 | spldart | I'm running a panasonic dvd player but it hardly get's used any more |
| 18:04.04 | spldart | I have dvd drives in most of the PCs in my lan |
| 18:04.36 | JeffM2501 | http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-12/qid=1112378662/ref=sr_1_12/602-5861461-2231041?%5Fencoding=UTF8&asin=B0000UYTPC |
| 18:05.19 | spldart | It's just missing component output |
| 18:05.20 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:05.24 | spldart | But well featured |
| 18:05.40 | JeffM2501 | component |
| 18:05.48 | JeffM2501 | thats' the video that takes like 3 lines? |
| 18:05.54 | spldart | yes R G B |
| 18:06.07 | JeffM2501 | it's got something on the back that had multiple lines for vidoe |
| 18:06.16 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.17 | spldart | Teh Target one has composite and svid |
| 18:06.18 | JeffM2501 | it says |
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| 18:06.45 | spldart | your right |
| 18:06.46 | spldart | just found it |
| 18:06.50 | spldart | wow |
| 18:06.58 | spldart | That stuff is putting me outta business :( |
| 18:07.14 | spldart | We pretty much cater to high end equipment people nowadays |
| 18:08.25 | JeffM2501 | somtimes disposable tech bothers me |
| 18:08.29 | JeffM2501 | cus where does it all go? |
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| 18:08.36 | scanline | yeah |
| 18:08.46 | spldart | yeah |
| 18:09.03 | spldart | Hopefully they are recycling somewhat |
| 18:09.17 | JeffM2501 | one would hope |
| 18:09.24 | spldart | But I know it doesn't all get so treated :( |
| 18:09.29 | JeffM2501 | or at least turned into a giant junkbot of doom |
| 18:09.37 | spldart | lol |
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| 18:11.00 | JeffM2501 | tho he may have allready got it |
| 18:13.27 | scanline | hm? |
| 18:13.56 | JeffM2501 | the make mag, but o'reily |
| 18:14.02 | JeffM2501 | I picked it up |
| 18:14.05 | JeffM2501 | it was interesting |
| 18:14.18 | scanline | haven't heard of it |
| 18:17.09 | JeffM2501 | http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/makemag05v1/index.html |
| 18:20.07 | SportChick | trepan: ping |
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| 18:28.36 | jpa- | gina: :/ |
| 18:28.57 | jpa- | gina: you are always too fast when joining bzflag servers, i have not time to say "hi tankitty" :/ |
| 18:33.01 | trepan | SportChick: pong |
| 18:33.27 | gina | heh |
| 18:34.43 | gina | lol |
| 18:38.55 | gina | spammer on dtremenak server! |
| 18:39.06 | gina | DTRemenak: spammer on your server |
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| 18:40.29 | jpa- | hi birdie |
| 18:40.34 | Birdie | hey |
| 18:40.38 | jpa- | gina: did you check birdies gender? |
| 18:40.47 | Birdie | lol |
| 18:40.57 | Birdie | gina knows i'm male |
| 18:42.02 | jpa- | she said she was going to meet you to check it :) |
| 18:42.18 | Birdie | right:) |
| 18:42.34 | Birdie | but i didnt saw her this week so we couldnt arrange a date |
| 18:42.34 | gina | birdie is male:) |
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| 18:43.11 | Birdie | phew she knows it:) |
| 18:44.37 | gina | i spose |
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| 18:45.30 | bryjen | throwing away broken stuff doesn't bother me as much as pitching obsolete equipment that still works |
| 18:45.46 | cosmos_ | that bothers me too |
| 18:45.48 | JeffM2501 | well that's just stupid |
| 18:45.56 | JeffM2501 | unless it has no use to anyone |
| 18:46.00 | cosmos_ | they just trash copacted a couple sun E4500's here |
| 18:46.20 | bryjen | whattya gonna do with a big stack of P166 desktops? |
| 18:46.42 | JeffM2501 | those are somewhat too slow to even give to a school |
| 18:47.26 | cosmos_ | heh we tried to donate some p4 [3~ |
| 18:47.27 | cosmos_ | ack |
| 18:47.29 | cosmos_ | p3 1ghz |
| 18:47.38 | cosmos_ | to a school and they refused them as worthless |
| 18:47.47 | bryjen | they were glorified cash regiesters. running win2k if you can believe that |
| 18:47.48 | JeffM2501 | schools around here won't take any mac that dos't run OSX |
| 18:47.52 | cosmos_ | they wanted nothing less than brand new 3ghz machines |
| 18:48.17 | cosmos_ | yeah the minimum cash donation is 250,000 |
| 18:48.32 | JeffM2501 | probably costs more to process it :) |
| 18:48.36 | cosmos_ | for private individuals |
| 18:50.28 | JeffM2501 | I know people who would use gigers |
| 18:50.30 | cosmos_ | umm |
| 18:50.33 | JeffM2501 | heck |
| 18:50.40 | JeffM2501 | send em to Tim :) |
| 18:50.40 | bryjen | i can see turning away old old stuff as not good for much and a maintenence headache, but 1ghz doesn't sound bad |
| 18:50.42 | cosmos_ | whats with the bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 18:50.57 | JeffM2501 | domain expired |
| 18:51.02 | cosmos_ | ugg |
| 18:51.06 | cosmos_ | cmon people! |
| 18:51.15 | ToughShooter_ | They are doing an april fool |
| 18:51.17 | JeffM2501 | and tim hasn't been here to talk about it |
| 18:51.24 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter_, your no fun! |
| 18:51.37 | JeffM2501 | cosmos click any link :) |
| 18:51.46 | cosmos_ | i did it crashed my browser |
| 18:51.53 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:52.13 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't see how http://my.bzflag.org/bb/index.php would do that |
| 18:52.41 | JeffM2501 | actualy abstaining means you'd do nothing, you activly fought against it |
| 18:53.19 | JeffM2501 | that puts you on the "other" side |
| 18:53.22 | bryjen | hehe. An "Online Banking" link that goes to the forum |
| 18:53.42 | JeffM2501 | and I was just going to tell cosmos how to exclude you from that ban |
| 18:53.44 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 18:53.49 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, they all do :) |
| 18:53.52 | bryjen | all those crypto/security arguements defeated in on stroke ;) |
| 18:54.12 | JeffM2501 | it was actualy a pita to replace all the links from the source page |
| 18:54.56 | bryjen | ooo, and "Work From Home" too |
| 18:55.03 | cosmos_ | jeff: hepcat might just ban every class a out there and whitelesit players heh |
| 18:55.05 | JeffM2501 | and "I like pie" |
| 18:55.20 | JeffM2501 | cosmos it'd be an iteresting idea |
| 18:55.36 | cosmos_ | who doesnt like pie |
| 18:55.48 | bryjen | heh. I don't think instruction on "How to be 15 and anoying" is necessary |
| 18:56.21 | cosmos_ | i would have put a wanted poseter with redsoxfan90s picture on it |
| 18:56.27 | cosmos_ | public humiliation |
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| 19:06.10 | spldart | Lost our DSL at work for a while :( |
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| 19:10.29 | brlcad | whatcha got? |
| 19:10.43 | brlcad | ~ww |
| 19:10.44 | ibot | Wrong window, you fool! |
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| 19:29.59 | TheRedBaron | ~whaleslap JeffM2501 |
| 19:30.02 | ibot | ACTION slaps JeffM2501 upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:30.39 | TheRedBaron | you think i would have learned from last april 1st.... |
| 19:31.02 | cosmos_ | i still say put redsoxfan90s pic up there on a wall of shame |
| 19:31.29 | TheRedBaron | you had me there for a bout 5min... |
| 19:32.17 | TheRedBaron | smooth way to cover your tracks be deleting iced's post.... and then hide the board improvement and suggestions forum.... |
| 19:32.57 | TheRedBaron | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 19:34.04 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 19:34.29 | TheRedBaron | trying to play innocent? |
| 19:34.48 | JeffM2501 | who? |
| 19:34.52 | TheRedBaron | you! |
| 19:34.59 | TheRedBaron | i'm reffering to this... |
| 19:35.01 | TheRedBaron | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 19:35.51 | Birdie | so much sportchicks on secret place |
| 19:37.20 | cosmos_ | Baptist minister John Hagee held a special service celebrating the death of the Pope and has submitted it for broadcast on TBN |
| 19:38.18 | spldart | eek |
| 19:39.13 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
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| 19:41.13 | spldart | cosmos has a nack for finding pycho new stories |
| 19:41.28 | cosmos_ | thats my job |
| 19:41.59 | spldart | And your good at it |
| 19:44.08 | TheRedBaron | Jeffm2501, to bad some of the links on the page didn't work... the leisure category spiked my interest |
| 19:44.15 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 19:44.21 | JeffM2501 | I like pie |
| 19:44.36 | TheRedBaron | !lart JeffM2501 |
| 19:44.37 | spldart | LOL |
| 19:44.54 | JeffM2501 | guu likes pie too |
| 19:44.54 | guu | JeffM2501: NO this one goes here, THAT one goes there! |
| 19:45.00 | spldart | Pie is good |
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| 19:46.34 | JeffM2501 | everyone loves pie |
| 19:46.37 | JeffM2501 | that is why they have pie holes |
| 19:47.17 | TheRedBaron | !!! |
| 19:47.18 | guu | TheRedBaron: But I am le-tired. |
| 19:47.36 | JeffM2501 | see she is full of pie |
| 19:48.02 | TheRedBaron | And you have bats in your belfry... |
| 19:48.37 | JeffM2501 | to get pie? |
| 19:48.44 | JeffM2501 | I have no belfry |
| 19:48.47 | JeffM2501 | it was removed |
| 19:48.51 | JeffM2501 | and replaced with a sun deck |
| 19:48.54 | TheRedBaron | oh... that is bad. |
| 19:49.01 | JeffM2501 | no actualy it's very nice |
| 19:49.09 | JeffM2501 | you can fly a kite from it |
| 19:50.41 | TheRedBaron | bah, go fly a kite. you're irrational today :) |
| 19:50.54 | JeffM2501 | when am I rational? |
| 19:51.04 | JeffM2501 | I allways have a remainder |
| 19:52.58 | TheRedBaron | bah. :P |
| 19:53.03 | spldart | LOL |
| 19:53.20 | orange | I can't believe you didn't bring that one back around to pie |
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| 19:54.25 | TheRedBaron | ~whaleslap orange |
| 19:54.27 | ibot | ACTION slaps orange upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:54.32 | orange | you know, pi, pie, irrational, c'mon folks! |
| 19:54.55 | TheRedBaron | i know... i'm just upset that i missed that... so i took it out on you |
| 19:55.02 | brlcad | imaginary pi |
| 19:55.11 | spldart | 3.1415926535954 |
| 19:55.39 | [Prez|Kennedy] | apple pi |
| 19:55.41 | spldart | checking myself |
| 19:55.55 | JeffM2501 | mmmm pie |
| 19:57.35 | spldart | crap... connections is stalling again |
| 19:57.42 | spldart | might be losing dsl again grrrr |
| 20:04.29 | brlcad | where my pie |
| 20:05.17 | TheRedBaron | rumor has it jeff ate it. |
| 20:06.15 | spldart | bzzzt |
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| 20:08.11 | sgk284 | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 20:08.29 | spldart | ~JeffM2501 ++ |
| 20:08.37 | spldart | Or is it |
| 20:08.45 | spldart | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 20:08.48 | TheRedBaron | no space bewteen them... |
| 20:08.57 | TheRedBaron | so the former |
| 20:09.07 | orange | eh? |
| 20:09.14 | spldart | ic |
| 20:09.18 | orange | the latter |
| 20:09.27 | TheRedBaron | the former... sgk284 |
| 20:09.33 | sgk284 | i was right |
| 20:09.36 | sgk284 | :) |
| 20:09.37 | orange | hmph... spldart gave two choices |
| 20:09.38 | TheRedBaron | exactly |
| 20:09.47 | orange | sgk284 was right... spldart's latter was right |
| 20:09.55 | TheRedBaron | well, i was typing mine up whle spldart was typint the latter. |
| 20:09.58 | TheRedBaron | s/typing |
| 20:10.11 | orange | and sgk284's had scrolled off my screen :-) |
| 20:10.20 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:17.02 | sgk284 | ping SportChick and/or Nidhoggr |
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| 20:33.56 | wegstar | ? |
| 20:34.01 | DTRemenak | ! |
| 20:34.21 | bz1234 | Hi, is there anybody here that uses BZFlag on XP? |
| 20:34.55 | DTRemenak | probably |
| 20:35.18 | Birdie | me, but i doubt i can help |
| 20:35.35 | wegstar | me |
| 20:36.06 | bz1234 | I have a problem with startup of Bzflag. It used to work, but now it wont start the display.. |
| 20:36.15 | wegstar | ok... |
| 20:36.28 | wegstar | version? |
| 20:37.05 | bz1234 | I have tried several version of BzFlag... I think the problem is related to driver in Xp, but not sure |
| 20:37.23 | bz1234 | BzFlag 2.02 |
| 20:37.25 | wegstar | have you tried reinstalling it? |
| 20:37.32 | bz1234 | several times |
| 20:37.34 | wegstar | hmm |
| 20:37.55 | bz1234 | the BzFlag remains as a process in mem, uses 3800k |
| 20:39.25 | wegstar | you saud that it has worked before... when? |
| 20:39.29 | wegstar | said* |
| 20:40.33 | wegstar | ... |
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| 20:41.00 | bz1234 | It did work with v 1.8 I think. |
| 20:41.05 | wegstar | ok |
| 20:42.05 | wegstar | "startup"... does it even open? |
| 20:42.17 | bz1234 | But some software have been reinstalled, removed and added.... a bit of messup |
| 20:42.24 | wegstar | oh..hmm |
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| 20:43.13 | bz1234 | But it could be a problem with directX ? Mby try to reinstall or install new version of DirectX..? |
| 20:43.25 | wegstar | yeah... I think you should try that... |
| 20:43.44 | wegstar | what version of DirectX do you have? |
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| 20:46.06 | bz1234 | It looks like direcxt is not installed. I cannot find it in the driver list in the control panel. I'll guess it should show up there. |
| 20:46.24 | TheRedBaron | go to you run and type "dxdiag" |
| 20:46.44 | TheRedBaron | that will tell you what version you have of directx |
| 20:47.39 | bz1234 | DirectX 9.0C |
| 20:47.46 | wegstar_ | hmm |
| 20:48.39 | bz1234 | I have installed the latest driver from nvidia. Work fine |
| 20:48.53 | bz1234 | But not BzFlag...... |
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| 20:51.25 | bz1234 | Test of DirectDraw Ok, Test of Driect3D ok-.... |
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| 20:57.31 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't use direct3d |
| 20:57.33 | *** part/#bzflag Privia (~Privia@c-24-60-35-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 20:57.40 | JeffM2501 | what happens when you try to run BZ? |
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| 21:08.44 | JeffM2501 | who uses 1.8? |
| 21:09.44 | Carnage_ | i used to |
| 21:09.53 | Carnage_ | stopped a few days ago |
| 21:10.00 | JeffM2501 | realy? |
| 21:10.03 | JeffM2501 | 1.8 bzflag? |
| 21:10.06 | JeffM2501 | impresive |
| 21:11.08 | Carnage_ | brb- match |
| 21:11.24 | JeffM2501 | so "343_Guilty_Spark" PMs me with a title of "Did u just ban me?" containing the folowing text; As of about 5 mineuts ago, whenever i tried to get on the homepage of this forum, it kept re-directing me to "tankgames.com - bzflag.com, not .org". if it was a ban i circumvated it, if i have a virus im gona chuck my computer out hte window, and if you have a virus i would think you might wana update your AVG, huh? |
| 21:11.49 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 21:11.51 | orchid | heh |
| 21:11.53 | spldart | geez |
| 21:12.14 | JeffM2501 | so I repply "what day is today?" |
| 21:12.15 | orchid | " I circumvated it" |
| 21:12.43 | JeffM2501 | he sends back ". also, do you know whats causing that tankgames.com? If its at my end (it probably is) its time to get really mad and stomp around the room for an hour. By the way, nice new image." |
| 21:13.25 | JeffM2501 | do they realy not know about liars day? |
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| 21:15.02 | TimRiker | oh. there is a real tankgames.com |
| 21:15.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:15.09 | JeffM2501 | it's a parker |
| 21:15.15 | JeffM2501 | I just redid the page |
| 21:15.22 | JeffM2501 | and made all the links go to the main |
| 21:15.51 | JeffM2501 | figured it was decently harmless enough |
| 21:15.53 | TimRiker | what was it before? |
| 21:16.10 | TimRiker | oh. you mean to make the page, not just as in the last few minutes. |
| 21:16.11 | JeffM2501 | various search sites that basicly sent you in a loop |
| 21:16.20 | JeffM2501 | I made that page last night :) |
| 21:16.23 | TimRiker | =) |
| 21:16.41 | JeffM2501 | couple people thought you let the domain slip :) |
| 21:17.06 | JeffM2501 | sadly I didn't think of it sooner |
| 21:17.16 | JeffM2501 | or I would have done "bzedit 2.0 is done" |
| 21:17.24 | JeffM2501 | or "bzflag 3.0, the quake mod" |
| 21:18.20 | JeffM2501 | Tim, how do you feel about making port 81 be the default for the list serve? |
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| 21:37.13 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: re 81. not a fan. Most places should handle port 80 ok. I suspect we'd get about the same grief explaining port 81. bzfls.php did not send cache info before, I fixed that about a month ago or so. Have you been getting many reports where switching to port 81 fixed it? |
| 21:37.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:37.33 | JeffM2501 | a fair number |
| 21:37.39 | TimRiker | recently? |
| 21:37.39 | JeffM2501 | hence why I mention it |
| 21:37.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:37.46 | JeffM2501 | past 2-3 weeks |
| 21:37.57 | JeffM2501 | but if it's gonna screw up some existing 80's |
| 21:38.10 | TimRiker | hmm. what was the reason they had to switch? |
| 21:38.11 | JeffM2501 | then changing it isn't going to do antyhing except shift the problem |
| 21:38.22 | JeffM2501 | mostly it seemed ISP caching proxy |
| 21:38.52 | JeffM2501 | web accelerators and the like |
| 21:39.02 | TimRiker | hmm. I would be interested to hear if there are other headers we can add to fix the caching proxies. |
| 21:39.06 | JeffM2501 | some had local proxys that were caching |
| 21:39.15 | JeffM2501 | that would be best |
| 21:39.51 | JeffM2501 | there was something else I was gonna ask, but can't remember |
| 21:39.57 | TimRiker | was the issue with http requests coming from a different IP than the game connect? |
| 21:40.15 | JeffM2501 | no, the problem was they were geting bad tokens |
| 21:40.29 | JeffM2501 | like it was an old token |
| 21:40.51 | JeffM2501 | see about 3-5 of them a week |
| 21:41.05 | JeffM2501 | it's just seemed to be somewhat consistent |
| 21:41.05 | TimRiker | I added: 'Cache-Control: no-cache' and 'Pragma: no-cache' to the db replies. |
| 21:41.36 | JeffM2501 | does that tell the proxy that is' not suposed to cache it? |
| 21:41.41 | TimRiker | yes. |
| 21:41.49 | JeffM2501 | probably same stuff phpbb does |
| 21:42.00 | TimRiker | likely. |
| 21:43.21 | JeffM2501 | thankfully it's a been a nice slow baning week :) |
| 21:43.47 | JeffM2501 | spring break must be ending |
| 21:44.23 | spldart | YES!!! Just got the kids their new health insurance!!! |
| 21:44.24 | TimRiker | phpbb sends 'Cache-Control: private, pre-check=0, post-check=0, max-age=0' |
| 21:44.35 | spldart | Sorry about the OT comment :( |
| 21:44.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:44.54 | JeffM2501 | that stuff can be costly |
| 21:44.57 | spldart | yes |
| 21:44.58 | spldart | :( |
| 21:45.02 | SportChick | question: what is the ip/host we have banned for spongebob? |
| 21:45.43 | JeffM2501 | It'd be in the masterban |
| 21:45.52 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 21:46.55 | SportChick | JeffM2501: which one is spooge? |
| 21:47.00 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c-78bae055.17-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 21:47.27 | JeffM2501 | one of the lowers I think |
| 21:47.33 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl say |
| 21:49.44 | SportChick | I don't see hsi name anywhere |
| 21:50.31 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:50.36 | JeffM2501 | then maybe it was a range |
| 21:50.41 | JeffM2501 | we don't do ranges in masterban |
| 21:50.56 | TimRiker | hmm. bzflag could add cache directives to the request too. That might help some proxies. |
| 21:50.56 | JeffM2501 | nid should have em |
| 21:51.27 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, I got the feeling that it was something todo with the the client side request |
| 21:51.38 | JeffM2501 | so I don't think it could hurt in any way |
| 21:51.55 | JeffM2501 | or I could just be geting the wrong feeling |
| 21:57.57 | orange | add some randomness to the query |
| 21:58.21 | orange | add some pathinfo, if you're not using it |
| 21:58.39 | orange | turn "/myprogram.php" into "/myprogram.php/123456" |
| 21:58.49 | orange | where 123456 is random |
| 21:58.53 | orange | that defeats caches quite handily |
| 21:59.07 | JeffM2501 | can't you just make that a field at the end of the post thingy? |
| 21:59.08 | orange | and should do absolutely nothing to hurt your query |
| 21:59.20 | JeffM2501 | like &somecrap=13223238451298712938471923847123984 |
| 21:59.23 | orange | JeffM2501: you can, but this way makes the cache think it's a totally different file |
| 22:00.04 | SportChick | is there a way to grep the banlist in bzflag? it scrolls 4 sheets before I can see anything |
| 22:01.19 | JeffM2501 | orange, but that does limit what we can do with that base URL in the future. |
| 22:01.37 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, in game.. no, if you can get the file then sure. |
| 22:01.42 | SportChick | grrrr |
| 22:01.52 | JeffM2501 | does bzadmin log? |
| 22:02.00 | SportChick | I can't even SEE the spoogebob bans on sp cuz the doggone page scroll wayt he heck down |
| 22:02.01 | orange | JeffM2501: shouldn't.... that method is used quite regularly, by folks like doubleclick. And if anyone knows how to defeat caches, they do. |
| 22:02.11 | SportChick | I'm looking at it IN bzadmin but can't get back to the first of the list |
| 22:02.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:02.22 | orange | you are just taking whatever your real path is and adding bogusness to it... apache handles it quite neatly |
| 22:02.23 | JeffM2501 | well what if we wanted to do /db/3.0/ later? |
| 22:02.39 | JeffM2501 | how would that be taken as not random crap? |
| 22:02.39 | orange | tucks the extra stuff into PATHINFO environment variable, and then nothing else ever sees it |
| 22:02.53 | JeffM2501 | dosn't it chante the URL and page that it gets it? |
| 22:03.00 | orange | nope |
| 22:03.27 | SportChick | ~nidhogg |
| 22:03.28 | JeffM2501 | so www.google.com is sent to the same URL as www.google.com/34142342134123 ? |
| 22:03.36 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 22:03.45 | JeffM2501 | cus that last one 404's for me |
| 22:03.48 | orange | depends on how google is set up |
| 22:03.58 | orange | http://joule.expo.net/test.cgi/0987230498?abc=def |
| 22:04.03 | JeffM2501 | so we'd set like 404 to just go to db? |
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| 22:04.24 | orange | no, doesn't need 404 at all... if the URL is a valid CGI (I think it works with php, simple testing should show it) |
| 22:04.38 | orange | compare that to: http://joule.expo.net/test.cgi?abc=def |
| 22:04.49 | JeffM2501 | well that part is a paramater at the end |
| 22:04.51 | JeffM2501 | that I get |
| 22:04.55 | JeffM2501 | the URL ends at the ? |
| 22:05.00 | JeffM2501 | well the FILE part of the URL |
| 22:05.11 | JeffM2501 | I understand the paramaters thing |
| 22:05.25 | SportChick | bzflagwiz: can you get the log file on sp in one piece |
| 22:05.32 | SportChick | I can't scroll back far enough cuz it's too long |
| 22:05.36 | orange | no, the /0987230498 is irrelevant |
| 22:05.40 | orange | you can put whatever you want |
| 22:05.54 | JeffM2501 | how does it know that it isn't a real dir called that? |
| 22:06.00 | orange | it looks first :-) |
| 22:06.03 | JeffM2501 | or does it check that first |
| 22:06.12 | orange | it is just smart about it |
| 22:06.14 | orange | that's apache |
| 22:06.15 | JeffM2501 | so it kinda is a "I didn't have that dir" so go here |
| 22:06.18 | JeffM2501 | like a smart 404 |
| 22:06.21 | orange | don't know if others do it |
| 22:06.31 | orange | but that's been there since pretty much day 1. |
| 22:06.39 | orange | before apache was apache |
| 22:06.45 | orange | PATH_INFO |
| 22:06.46 | SportChick | nm, I found it |
| 22:06.52 | orange | (in the environment section) |
| 22:07.04 | JeffM2501 | so we'd have like db.bzflag.org/db/crapcrapcrapcrap/?ACTION=LIST |
| 22:07.16 | orange | no / before ? I think |
| 22:07.23 | orange | it would take some testing |
| 22:07.37 | orange | but that's the basic idea, and it totally screws up caches |
| 22:07.43 | orange | they absolutely cannot cache it |
| 22:07.53 | JeffM2501 | it works |
| 22:07.54 | orange | well, they can, but you'll never call that page again |
| 22:08.03 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:09.17 | orange | well, I gotta go... the email on that page I sent you to is quite old, but it still works, I believe |
| 22:11.16 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: is the masterban list broken? |
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| 22:11.38 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: doing /masterbanreload does nothing on my servers (no (m) entries) only local bans |
| 22:11.48 | JeffM2501 | it shouldn't be |
| 22:12.06 | JeffM2501 | can you get to http://www.bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 22:12.22 | orange | well, I don't know if that email works or not... just pm me on bzbb :-) |
| 22:12.24 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 22:12.29 | Thumper_ | in a browser |
| 22:12.37 | JeffM2501 | that's all bzfs does |
| 22:12.43 | JeffM2501 | unless your curl is acking wacky |
| 22:13.06 | Thumper_ | hmm ok |
| 22:13.33 | JeffM2501 | it hasn't been updated in days tho |
| 22:13.53 | Thumper_ | same problem on tuxee |
| 22:14.02 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.02 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.04 | Thumper_ | but not entries |
| 22:14.07 | Thumper_ | no* |
| 22:14.16 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 22:15.30 | JeffM2501 | wonder if there has to be a space |
| 22:16.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10admin/master-bans.txt: ws |
| 22:16.21 | JeffM2501 | reload that now |
| 22:16.48 | Thumper_ | that works thanks |
| 22:16.57 | JeffM2501 | didn't have a space after the : in reason |
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| 22:18.29 | Thumper_ | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 22:19.46 | JeffM2501 | well I should get a -- for screwing it up in the forst place |
| 22:19.54 | Thumper_ | ok ;) |
| 22:20.12 | Thumper_ | it's been broken for a few days I think... on -- per day? |
| 22:20.14 | Thumper_ | ;) |
| 22:20.17 | Thumper_ | per server? |
| 22:20.30 | Thumper_ | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 22:20.30 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 42 |
| 22:20.43 | Thumper_ | that would put a big hole in your karma pocket |
| 22:20.56 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 22:21.01 | JeffM2501 | I have a karmic batery |
| 22:21.03 | JeffM2501 | from a past life |
| 22:21.06 | Thumper_ | so I'll just leave it as 'thanks for fixing it' |
| 22:21.10 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:21.24 | Thumper_ | and SC can deduct points ... cuz she's fighting with Spoonge... |
| 22:21.30 | Thumper_ | who was on the masterban list... |
| 22:21.42 | JeffM2501 | probalby why he got in cus no masterban loaded |
| 22:21.45 | JeffM2501 | have her reload |
| 22:21.54 | Thumper_ | I told her... not sure she's seen it yet |
| 22:22.11 | Thumper_ | I'll track her down |
| 22:23.06 | bzflagwiz | SportChick - I can't get to it from my current location |
| 22:23.22 | SportChick | wizart: I'm working on it now |
| 22:23.30 | SportChick | bzflagwiz: I'm working on it now |
| 22:23.48 | bzflagwiz | SportChick: I saw that after I typed... :) |
| 22:24.43 | cosmos | ~karma cosmos |
| 22:24.43 | ibot | cosmos has karma of 1 |
| 22:24.54 | cosmos | ive noticed the masterban sometimes doesnt load |
| 22:26.43 | JeffM2501 | like when I screw it up? |
| 22:27.43 | Thumper_ | hehe |
| 22:27.48 | Thumper_ | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 22:27.51 | JeffM2501 | http://megami.starcreator.com/nanaca-crash/ |
| 22:30.58 | cosmos | brings up a porn site for me |
| 22:30.59 | spldart | LMAO |
| 22:31.19 | spldart | Got 199.9 meters on one hit |
| 22:31.39 | spldart | g2g home cyahs |
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| 22:34.08 | brlcad | 282.2 |
| 22:35.50 | prop | 1719.62 |
| 22:36.08 | cosmos | 32765.32 |
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| 22:42.10 | JeffM2501 | I got 2548 |
| 22:42.14 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: wheee 139.51m |
| 22:42.24 | JeffM2501 | you can hit him in the air again |
| 22:42.31 | JeffM2501 | click the red and blue arrows |
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| 22:46.02 | brlcad | yeah.. figured that out :) |
| 22:46.08 | brlcad | 3439.37m ;) |
| 22:46.22 | brlcad | pretty funny |
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| 22:51.08 | JeffM2501 | nice |
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| 23:02.51 | JeffM2501 | joy the guilty spark kid wants a special rank |
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| 23:38.35 | spldart | How often is the server list as seen in bzflag refreshed? |
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| 23:39.30 | blast007 | every time a player joins/leaves, as well as every 15 minutes (I think) |
| 23:39.48 | spldart | okies |
| 23:40.42 | blast007 | it also sends the ADD message right after you start it |
| 23:42.33 | greg-a | that's not comforting |
| 23:42.37 | JeffM2501 | it's ether 15 or 30min |
| 23:42.38 | greg-a | lol |
| 23:42.54 | JeffM2501 | but just join, that'll send an update |
| 23:45.03 | spldart | hrm |
| 23:45.05 | spldart | well |
| 23:45.48 | spldart | I changed my -publicaddr to spldart.bakadigital.com:5154/ |
| 23:46.04 | spldart | and joined and played it for aminute |
| 23:46.13 | spldart | But i'm still showing my old addy in the list |
| 23:46.23 | spldart | just didn't know how long till it would change over |
| 23:46.52 | spldart | ~bzfquery spldart.bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 23:46.53 | JeffM2501 | it should be prety fast |
| 23:46.59 | spldart | Okies |
| 23:47.19 | spldart | Any new master bans today? |
| 23:47.30 | JeffM2501 | well the old list was bad |
| 23:47.34 | JeffM2501 | so it just got a space removed |
| 23:48.03 | spldart | uh oh. Well I've been manually adding them to my local list. Does that effect me? |
| 23:48.10 | spldart | cut and paste |
| 23:48.15 | JeffM2501 | the very last one |
| 23:48.20 | JeffM2501 | was missing a space |
| 23:48.21 | spldart | top or bottom |
| 23:48.22 | JeffM2501 | after the : |
| 23:48.23 | JeffM2501 | top |
| 23:48.26 | JeffM2501 | for the reason |
| 23:48.28 | spldart | lemme check mine |
| 23:48.30 | JeffM2501 | that caused it to geek |
| 23:49.13 | spldart | sure enough. I have mine corrected. Thanks |
| 23:49.26 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:51.07 | spldart | Does the client refresh the server list each time you 'find server' or does it cache |
| 23:51.23 | JeffM2501 | depends on your cache setings |
| 23:51.50 | spldart | their are cache settings in the client? |
| 23:52.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:52.40 | spldart | sure enough |
| 23:52.47 | spldart | I'm sure they are default settings |
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| 23:56.24 | spldart | How will the server list know to drop the direct addy and just use the new addy? I assume it will think 67.195.x.x.5154 is still valid cuz my server is still there responding. |
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