| 00:00.16 | bz0766 | guess not |
| 00:00.32 | JeffM2501 | usualy that long means it's going to timeout |
| 00:00.36 | JeffM2501 | are you behind a router? |
| 00:00.39 | bz0766 | yes |
| 00:00.50 | bz0766 | oh jeeze.. |
| 00:00.53 | JeffM2501 | did you set up a fixed route |
| 00:00.56 | bz0766 | i should let down that firewall then |
| 00:01.00 | bz0766 | uh i don't think i did |
| 00:01.03 | JeffM2501 | for port 5154 to your server |
| 00:01.14 | JeffM2501 | you need to |
| 00:01.30 | JeffM2501 | route port 5154 TCP and UDP to your servers internal IP |
| 00:01.53 | JeffM2501 | so the data can get in from outside |
| 00:02.18 | bz0766 | could you try it again? |
| 00:03.07 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzfquery cabbage.servegame.org |
| 00:03.25 | bz0766 | bah.. again |
| 00:03.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm a gonna say ..... nope :) |
| 00:03.48 | bz0766 | heh |
| 00:03.49 | bz0766 | well |
| 00:03.54 | bz0766 | my router is prettttty darn junky |
| 00:04.00 | bz0766 | it's gonna take me a second |
| 00:04.27 | JeffM2501 | linksys? |
| 00:04.57 | bz0766 | no |
| 00:04.58 | bz0766 | belkin |
| 00:05.03 | bz0766 | linksys > belkin.. |
| 00:05.03 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 00:05.06 | bz0766 | yeah |
| 00:05.12 | bz0766 | I am super cheap, by the way |
| 00:05.34 | JeffM2501 | what kind of conection are you hosting the server on? |
| 00:05.56 | bz0766 | cable |
| 00:06.06 | bz0766 | 3down/365up |
| 00:06.11 | bz0766 | or 356, can't remember. |
| 00:06.16 | JeffM2501 | not horible |
| 00:06.19 | bz0766 | yeah |
| 00:06.25 | JeffM2501 | you'll get 5-6 players |
| 00:06.25 | bz0766 | that's why I'm only doing a 3 v 3 |
| 00:06.35 | JeffM2501 | what is the shot count? |
| 00:06.37 | cosmos | why is there no CSI:Kentucky? |
| 00:06.38 | bz0766 | 3 |
| 00:06.41 | bz0766 | no jump |
| 00:06.45 | JeffM2501 | should be resaonalb |
| 00:06.48 | cosmos | because there are no dental records and all the DNA is the same. |
| 00:06.52 | JeffM2501 | it's just shots and players |
| 00:06.55 | spldart | definitely reasonable |
| 00:07.00 | JeffM2501 | jump dosn't effect bandwith that much |
| 00:07.08 | bz0766 | heh well, that's a personal taste. |
| 00:07.16 | bz0766 | gr, i also have zone alarm. |
| 00:07.22 | bz0766 | that firewall might do somthin' |
| 00:07.25 | JeffM2501 | that is gonna block it all |
| 00:07.35 | bz0766 | yeah, do you have any knowlege of it? |
| 00:07.37 | JeffM2501 | you need to controll outgoing packets too? |
| 00:07.44 | bz0766 | (forgive my spelling errors, please =) ) |
| 00:07.45 | cosmos | turn it off and install a real firewall |
| 00:07.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:07.52 | bz0766 | hah |
| 00:07.53 | JeffM2501 | your router is a firewall |
| 00:07.56 | JeffM2501 | allready |
| 00:07.59 | bz0766 | true |
| 00:08.09 | bz0766 | a bad router .. |
| 00:08.20 | JeffM2501 | so unless you need to filter outgoing, the incoming filtering of stuff from ZA is just going to screw you up |
| 00:08.27 | bz0766 | alright so just get ridd of it then |
| 00:08.35 | JeffM2501 | by the very nature of a nat it will filter all packets by default |
| 00:08.39 | bz0766 | mk |
| 00:08.41 | bz0766 | byby za |
| 00:08.43 | JeffM2501 | in coming |
| 00:08.45 | bz0766 | bye bye* |
| 00:08.50 | JeffM2501 | hence why you have to do a static route |
| 00:08.57 | bz0766 | heh |
| 00:08.58 | bz0766 | ok |
| 00:09.15 | cosmos | <rael> you dont need a firewall with linux because its hacker proof |
| 00:09.32 | bz0766 | ibot bzfquery cabbage.servegame.org |
| 00:09.35 | bz0766 | who says i have linux |
| 00:09.39 | JeffM2501 | is that they 9th grade "expert"? |
| 00:09.45 | JeffM2501 | he's not, he's quoting |
| 00:09.49 | bz0766 | oh |
| 00:09.51 | bz0766 | heh |
| 00:10.10 | LordSarpedon | jeff: what do you think of http://rakkarsoft.com/ |
| 00:10.34 | cosmos | thats our linux user off the day |
| 00:10.38 | cosmos | from EFNET |
| 00:10.53 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, sounds like enet |
| 00:11.02 | bz0766 | ibot bzfquery cabbage.servegame.org |
| 00:11.13 | bz0766 | doohhhh, I'm so frustrated =/ |
| 00:11.18 | spldart | :( |
| 00:11.18 | JeffM2501 | I notice they don't mention OpenTNL :) |
| 00:11.34 | brlcad | hmm. torque |
| 00:11.37 | cosmos | http://www.spatula.net/proc/linux/index.src |
| 00:11.44 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opentnl.org/ |
| 00:11.46 | spldart | ~bzfquery67.10.210.195:5154 |
| 00:11.54 | JeffM2501 | that is your pimp daddy net lib right there |
| 00:12.22 | JeffM2501 | do you even get source with that rakkarsoft stuff? |
| 00:12.35 | bz0766 | it's showing up my computer name on the server listing heh |
| 00:12.46 | JeffM2501 | that would be LAN discovery |
| 00:12.56 | JeffM2501 | bz0766, bzflag searches your subnet for local games |
| 00:12.59 | bz0766 | mk |
| 00:13.14 | LordSarpedon | yes, rakkar has source and is available under gpl |
| 00:13.43 | spldart | I guess I typed wrong bzfquery67.10.210.195:5154 |
| 00:14.00 | JeffM2501 | it winsoc only? |
| 00:14.08 | JeffM2501 | spldart, you forgot a space |
| 00:14.11 | spldart | boh |
| 00:14.14 | bz0766 | would "Trigger start port' "Trigger end port" mean anything to you? |
| 00:14.19 | spldart | bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5154 |
| 00:14.30 | JeffM2501 | triger ports are for like inbound stuff |
| 00:14.38 | JeffM2501 | you just want to set up a static route |
| 00:14.48 | JeffM2501 | may also be caled "port maping" or "virtual server" |
| 00:14.53 | bz0766 | mk, gonna see if i can on this piece... |
| 00:15.00 | bz0766 | woo! virtual server! |
| 00:15.10 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5154 |
| 00:15.16 | spldart | finally |
| 00:15.17 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:15.36 | bz0766 | private ip adress |
| 00:15.37 | bz0766 | ? |
| 00:15.39 | bz0766 | er |
| 00:15.42 | bz0766 | address* |
| 00:16.08 | brlcad | spldart: finally :) |
| 00:16.15 | spldart | ;) |
| 00:16.53 | BIYA | bzfquery DTRemenak.BakaDigital.com:6001 |
| 00:17.14 | bz0766 | what should i put in for private ip address and private port? |
| 00:17.20 | DTRemenak | ~bzfquery dtremenak.bakadigital.com:6000 |
| 00:17.24 | DTRemenak | ~bzfquery dtremenak.bakadigital.com:6001 |
| 00:17.32 | JeffM2501 | what ever the IP is of your computer on the lan |
| 00:17.37 | JeffM2501 | and 5154 for the port |
| 00:17.44 | bz0766 | ok |
| 00:18.06 | bz0766 | ibot bzfquery cabbage.servegame.org |
| 00:18.11 | bz0766 | c'mooonnn |
| 00:18.52 | JeffM2501 | simplest way to see if it works, is see if you show on the list server |
| 00:19.45 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, actualy could't use that lib in bz |
| 00:19.48 | JeffM2501 | it's GPL |
| 00:19.50 | bz0766 | nope =/ |
| 00:19.50 | JeffM2501 | not lGPL |
| 00:20.05 | JeffM2501 | and talk about some warnings! |
| 00:20.30 | brlcad | hmm? |
| 00:20.37 | JeffM2501 | one lib has like 700 warnings |
| 00:20.38 | brlcad | you can use gpl stuff with lgpl |
| 00:21.02 | JeffM2501 | would that not prevent bzflag from being used in a non GPL app |
| 00:21.04 | brlcad | without making the lgpl stuff behave like gpl even |
| 00:21.38 | JeffM2501 | lib does seem to do a lot of stuff |
| 00:22.03 | JeffM2501 | similar in it's base nature to TNL |
| 00:22.09 | JeffM2501 | and with a number of utility classes |
| 00:22.14 | JeffM2501 | like voice compression and stuff |
| 00:22.22 | brlcad | that lib would still be under the gpl, so if someone wanted to use all of bz (including that lib), they'd have to abide by gpl in terms of that lib and lgpl for bz's code |
| 00:22.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh so they'd have to release the code and any mods for the lib |
| 00:22.48 | JeffM2501 | and the code for bz |
| 00:22.53 | JeffM2501 | and not there code |
| 00:22.58 | brlcad | that's true regardless |
| 00:23.06 | brlcad | the problem is when/if they link with that lib |
| 00:23.25 | JeffM2501 | what is the dif between gpl and lgpl then? |
| 00:23.49 | brlcad | linking is the diff |
| 00:24.07 | brlcad | you can link with lgpl and not have to release your code |
| 00:24.14 | brlcad | you can't link with gpl without releasing your code |
| 00:24.27 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:24.35 | JeffM2501 | so if there was like a libbzflag |
| 00:24.41 | bz0766 | arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:24.41 | brlcad | there are some static versus dynamic caveats, but that's the basic summary |
| 00:24.43 | JeffM2501 | a closed source proejct could use that |
| 00:24.55 | JeffM2501 | and not rel4ase source, but they could not hit this lib directly |
| 00:25.02 | brlcad | right |
| 00:25.19 | JeffM2501 | so that's why someone would buy this thing |
| 00:25.23 | brlcad | their code could not make calls to anything in that lib either |
| 00:25.35 | JeffM2501 | but BZ could |
| 00:25.37 | brlcad | right |
| 00:25.48 | JeffM2501 | so why would anyone buy this lib? |
| 00:25.54 | JeffM2501 | why not just bust out a lgpl wraper |
| 00:25.59 | JeffM2501 | release source to the wraper |
| 00:26.06 | JeffM2501 | then use the wraper closed |
| 00:26.40 | JeffM2501 | or is that just evil |
| 00:26.48 | brlcad | that gets into the "caveat" details |
| 00:27.21 | brlcad | for example, they couldn't if they wanted to link static since there's no provision for upgrading the library without recompiling |
| 00:27.22 | LordSarpedon | it is released under several licenses. the company offers it under shareware and commercial as well |
| 00:27.31 | LordSarpedon | ill have to check out tnl too |
| 00:29.13 | bz0766 | when I try to join myself on the LAN..."thing"... it says... "Player outbound UDP up |
| 00:29.17 | bz0766 | should there be something behinmd that |
| 00:29.20 | bz0766 | because |
| 00:29.32 | bz0766 | Player inbound UDP up has an IP and port |
| 00:29.39 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, I know, I'm trying to find out why somone would want to buy it |
| 00:29.56 | JeffM2501 | bz0766, that is normal |
| 00:30.01 | bz0766 | mk |
| 00:30.02 | bz0766 | well |
| 00:30.07 | brlcad | hm, maybe that wasn't clear -- their usage of that wrapper lib (for static linking) would obligate them to both the lgpl and gpl unless they decouple that lib |
| 00:30.10 | bz0766 | it won't let me right click to join in |
| 00:30.16 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, so as long as you made your wraper a dynamic link you'd be cool |
| 00:30.17 | bz0766 | brb |
| 00:31.36 | brlcad | JeffM2501: something like that -- there's actually a quirky clause that says something to the effect that you can link dynamically, but you have to ship both the libs and the sourcecode when you distribute something wierd to that effect |
| 00:32.12 | JeffM2501 | ok so you can make a wraper, link dynamicly, ship the source to the 2 libs and be done |
| 00:32.36 | JeffM2501 | so all it takes is one person to make a dynamic wraper and they have no biz case |
| 00:32.47 | JeffM2501 | just curious how GPL stuff lives in the comercial world |
| 00:33.43 | brlcad | well not exactly |
| 00:34.44 | brlcad | i'm not sure about their business case -- but in general, when the lib is gpl -- if i use it in something, I'm going to have to release my code as well |
| 00:35.10 | brlcad | they could also have a contractual agreement on top too, that would modify/trump terms too |
| 00:35.30 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:35.53 | JeffM2501 | I'm just trying to see, if say I was making a game, that I wanted comercial and closed source, how I could use the lib for free |
| 00:36.10 | LordSarpedon | Look at the site |
| 00:36.13 | JeffM2501 | and if I could use an intermediate lgpl "mini" project to do that |
| 00:36.25 | brlcad | you could ship your app separate |
| 00:36.36 | brlcad | basically ship it non-functional -- make them go get the lib |
| 00:36.38 | LordSarpedon | If you apply for a commercial license, you could use the lib with your app |
| 00:36.52 | brlcad | then you can use gpl/lgpl whatever with no impact |
| 00:36.57 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, I know what they want, but they want $$ for a comerical license :) |
| 00:37.10 | brlcad | it's the act of linking or distributing it that causes difficulties (which is the point) |
| 00:37.15 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:37.18 | LordSarpedon | Of course. Bzf is gpl or lgpl? Compatible? |
| 00:37.22 | JeffM2501 | well that at least makes people buy it |
| 00:37.24 | JeffM2501 | lgpl |
| 00:37.38 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak_ (~DTRemenak@DHCP-170-84.caltech.edu) |
| 00:37.42 | LordSarpedon | And you can use a gpl lib with an lgpl product? |
| 00:37.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm just wondering that like if I wanted to make a lib, and release source, how do I make sure people have to buy a comercial license from me to use it in a comercial ( closed source ) thing. |
| 00:38.37 | LordSarpedon | I'd say it would have to end up in court |
| 00:39.25 | LordSarpedon | the point of the licenses are to protect the creator from that sort of thing |
| 00:39.42 | spldart | There's a flag that makes you invisible to radar correct? |
| 00:40.02 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: you'd have to use a license that specified that |
| 00:40.02 | spldart | I gotta guy in my map that is just hiding somewhere and not moving about |
| 00:40.09 | spldart | g unit is the username heh |
| 00:40.30 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak_ (~DTRemenak@DHCP-170-84.caltech.edu) |
| 00:40.44 | brlcad | i'm relativley certain you could link to that lgpl wrapper lib unincumbered so long as you're not linking or using the gpl lib (could be wrong) -- the point is that it is a hurdle you as a commercial vendor has to go through that gives an advantage to the open source community |
| 00:40.45 | blast007 | spldart: there's is a Stealth flag (ST) that hides you on radar |
| 00:40.57 | LordSarpedon | have you looked at the libs capabilities in the manual section? Looks good. |
| 00:41.00 | brlcad | I'd have to re-read the gpl yet again, though to be more certain |
| 00:41.08 | LordSarpedon | Personally, Id like to see some performance stats |
| 00:41.19 | brlcad | hmm stats? |
| 00:41.30 | LordSarpedon | For this lib. Dont see any, however |
| 00:41.31 | bz0766 | why won't it let me right click to join my game? |
| 00:41.42 | brlcad | press i |
| 00:41.57 | bz0766 | nope |
| 00:42.03 | LordSarpedon | Wouldn't want to put any work into using something laggier and crappier than the existing netcode |
| 00:42.13 | LordSarpedon | (if such a thing is possible) |
| 00:42.22 | brlcad | possible |
| 00:42.25 | brlcad | just not likely :) |
| 00:42.33 | brlcad | unless you just suck |
| 00:42.38 | brlcad | like me |
| 00:42.40 | bz0766 | Write Error EAGAIN ? |
| 00:43.03 | LordSarpedon | As it stands, I want to rewrite or at least clean up the bzf netcode |
| 00:43.11 | brlcad | bz0766: network communcations error |
| 00:43.11 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz (~wiz@12-240-60-115.client.mchsi.com) |
| 00:43.21 | bz0766 | mk |
| 00:43.22 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: do you know c++ ? |
| 00:43.26 | LordSarpedon | And am at the moment working on a proof of concept in .net, as reccomended by Jeff |
| 00:43.34 | LordSarpedon | brlcad: not well enough for these purposes |
| 00:43.45 | brlcad | abstract it into a generic communication library for sending/receiving network packets |
| 00:44.02 | brlcad | and then plug in libs like enet, torque, etc |
| 00:44.15 | LordSarpedon | I could perhaps manage a netcode cleanup (I'm not that oblivious) |
| 00:44.20 | cosmos | ive rewritten bzflag into perl. where do i submit the new code? |
| 00:44.23 | brlcad | test them isolated, then work on replacing bz's communications |
| 00:44.37 | LordSarpedon | Yes, that was essentially what I wanted to do |
| 00:44.55 | spldart | WOW.. He hid good. |
| 00:44.57 | bz0766 | Connection: Close (?) |
| 00:45.00 | brlcad | cosmos: cat /dev/random > your_bzperl_sources |
| 00:45.15 | spldart | I went into observer mode and looked all over for him. he eventually singed off |
| 00:45.26 | cosmos | who spldart |
| 00:45.28 | LordSarpedon | I want to wrap all the comm into a library or perhaps just a single class |
| 00:45.56 | bz0766 | what does Connection: Close mean in CMD when runing a bzfserver |
| 00:46.01 | bz0766 | does that mean my connection was closed? |
| 00:46.02 | spldart | a user called g unit |
| 00:46.14 | LordSarpedon | In that case, implementation of new netcode would be simple enough. |
| 00:46.18 | spldart | he eventually signed off |
| 00:46.21 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: ultimately a single class (or two) |
| 00:46.34 | bzflagwiz | ~seen TimRiker |
| 00:46.44 | ibot | timriker is currently on #debian-bots (16h 46m 4s) #elinux (16h 46m 4s) #ol (16h 46m 4s) #bzflag (16h 46m 4s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 2h 8m 25s |
| 00:46.44 | blast007 | bz0766: that means that some connection to the server was closed |
| 00:46.49 | brlcad | you have a network packet object that you stuff -- pass that to the network transport singleton |
| 00:47.12 | bz0766 | huh? |
| 00:47.12 | LordSarpedon | I was thinking, brlcad |
| 00:47.19 | bz0766 | lol i have no idea what you just said =/ |
| 00:47.35 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: less thinking more doing! :) |
| 00:47.41 | blast007 | bz0766: he was referring to a different conversation ;) |
| 00:47.48 | bz0766 | oh ok =p |
| 00:48.16 | LordSarpedon | that instead of the approach of passing packet objects to a singleton, instead have a base class with all needed BZ functions (like Enter, Exit, SHotBegin) |
| 00:48.35 | brlcad | bz0766: i would have written bz0766: i'm talking to you know, if I was talking to you ;) |
| 00:48.46 | LordSarpedon | These would take the parameters and wrap it up and send it off depending on the implementation |
| 00:48.49 | bz0766 | heh ok |
| 00:49.15 | LordSarpedon | The code I looked at some time back (1.10.8) did something like this, but too much was in the general codebase and not in a single class |
| 00:49.19 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: that would work as well too -- though I'd make those base classes either extend or use this basic packet class |
| 00:49.50 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: that gets into the bz-integration though -- i meant writing it isolated so that it can be tested irrespective of bz and bz logic (problems) |
| 00:49.51 | bz0766 | wooO!!1 |
| 00:49.52 | bz0766 | haha |
| 00:49.58 | LordSarpedon | The problem with a packet class is that it heavily restricts the built-in features of a networking api like rakkar |
| 00:50.02 | bz0766 | removing all the zany amounts of flags did it |
| 00:50.25 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: the network manager would deal with that however it likes |
| 00:50.46 | brlcad | it can queue them up, send immediately, whatever the underlying transport lib prefers |
| 00:50.53 | bz0766 | ibot cabbage.servegame.org |
| 00:50.57 | brlcad | should be incredibly lightweight |
| 00:51.05 | LordSarpedon | I see what you mean |
| 00:51.19 | blast007 | bz0766: ah, ok ;) and just as a note, doing "+f good{2}" adds 2 of _each_ good flag |
| 00:51.27 | bz0766 | heh yeah |
| 00:51.31 | bz0766 | i noticed =) |
| 00:51.34 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:52.54 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: a simple initial network manager might just send them over simple sockets (like bz does now) .. then perhaps either extend or abstract out different managers for different underlying libs |
| 00:53.07 | brlcad | actually a very fun project that I've been interested in working on |
| 00:53.13 | brlcad | one of several dozen.. |
| 00:54.16 | bz0766 | how do i set the amount of time a bad flag is held |
| 00:54.30 | blast007 | -st <seconds> |
| 00:54.47 | bz0766 | with the <> ? |
| 00:55.03 | blast007 | replace <seconds> with how many seconds you want them to last |
| 00:55.13 | bz0766 | mk |
| 00:55.14 | LordSarpedon | So essentially, create a network manager class that accepts and uses packets, independent of bzflag logic. This networkmanager would use the existing packet class so there wouldn't be changes to the general code. Network manager could be extended for different protocols/libs to make it easy to test and modify. That's what you mean to say? |
| 00:55.16 | blast007 | like: -st 5 |
| 00:55.24 | bz0766 | mk |
| 00:55.33 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: initially, you could develop it unassociated with bz to ensure it's generic and sufficiently abstracted (reuseable) -- make a small test program that would compute simple performance metrics like rate per packet size, round-trip latencies, "stability", etc |
| 00:55.49 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: yes! |
| 00:56.00 | brlcad | ~LordSarpedon++ |
| 00:56.20 | blast007 | bz0766: you can also use -sw to drop the flag after so many wins (a win == killing an enemy tank) |
| 00:56.33 | bz0766 | oh nice |
| 00:56.43 | bz0766 | i don't have an shock waves tho |
| 00:56.44 | bz0766 | or lazers |
| 00:56.50 | bz0766 | so I don't really need that =p |
| 00:57.01 | LordSarpedon | I should stay away from existing code as much as possible, you say. |
| 00:57.03 | blast007 | -sw isn't for Shock Wave |
| 00:57.06 | bz0766 | i know |
| 00:57.08 | blast007 | it's for Shake Wins |
| 00:57.11 | bz0766 | you ujst told me what it's for =p |
| 00:57.14 | bz0766 | heh |
| 00:57.22 | bz0766 | but I'm saying, I don't have any flags that would require that |
| 00:57.25 | LordSarpedon | With my lacking C++ experience that isn't a bad idea |
| 00:57.37 | blast007 | no, that's for bad flags |
| 00:57.51 | blast007 | if you have a bad flag, and you kill X number of tanks, you drop the bad flag |
| 00:58.23 | bz0766 | oh |
| 00:58.25 | bz0766 | i see |
| 00:58.39 | bz0766 | well, i have blindness =p |
| 00:58.45 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: yes, avoid it like, the plague -- until you want to hook up to bz's libNet as one of the extended managers for performance comparisons |
| 00:58.45 | bz0766 | so that would be bastardy |
| 00:58.53 | brlcad | ~spell plague |
| 00:59.10 | LordSarpedon | bz has network in a lib now? |
| 00:59.31 | spldart | that was intersting... the first time I logged into spiralzone I got kicked for no udp |
| 00:59.45 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: you seem to understand the objectiveness well enough already -- i've already gained some hope that you might actually write a line of useful code now :) |
| 00:59.46 | spldart | But my udp is open and I show no blocked packets in my logs |
| 00:59.54 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: yes |
| 00:59.55 | blast007 | spldart: that sometimes happens |
| 01:00.08 | blast007 | seems to be random network glitches |
| 01:00.20 | brlcad | it's a very simple network lib |
| 01:00.36 | spldart | oh ic |
| 01:00.38 | spldart | kew |
| 01:01.16 | LordSarpedon | Some of the better libs ive seen like opentnl and raknet need more integration than the packet level, though |
| 01:01.58 | brlcad | that's your job to hide those details in the network manager class |
| 01:02.13 | bz0766 | arggg |
| 01:02.14 | bz0766 | i hate this router |
| 01:02.26 | bz0766 | for some reason, it won't lemme connect.. |
| 01:02.37 | brlcad | those packets come in (async or sync) and you get to deal with them either on demand or in bundles depending on the lib's design pref |
| 01:05.28 | LordSarpedon | dont have the bzf source with me...is there a networkmanager class already or will I be creating one? |
| 01:12.11 | blast007 | bz0766: are you trying to connect with the internal IP address? |
| 01:13.47 | blast007 | cuz if you are trying to connect with the external address, the router might not properly forward traffic to the local server |
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| 01:25.17 | *** join/#bzflag MeBigFatGuy (dave@balt-209-150-116-97.dynamic-dial.qis.net) |
| 01:25.38 | *** join/#bzflag bz6408 (~44542ca7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 01:26.47 | bz6408 | what's the command to test if the server works |
| 01:27.19 | spldart | ~bzfquery your ip |
| 01:27.27 | spldart | ibot checks your status |
| 01:27.57 | bz6408 | ~bzfquery cabbage.servegame.org |
| 01:28.05 | spldart | I'm IN!!!! |
| 01:28.06 | bz6408 | ~bzfquery cabbage.servegame.org:5154 |
| 01:29.00 | spldart | I'm in and red team |
| 01:29.31 | bz6408 | woo! |
| 01:29.36 | bz6408 | ty spld |
| 01:29.55 | bz6408 | hmm |
| 01:29.58 | bz6408 | i still can't connect |
| 01:30.27 | bz6408 | hmm, can't connect to server list socket |
| 01:31.04 | spldart | sweet |
| 01:31.14 | spldart | kinda need |
| 01:31.15 | spldart | neet |
| 01:31.22 | spldart | red and blue team I assume? |
| 01:31.33 | bz6408 | yessuh |
| 01:31.34 | bz6408 | =p |
| 01:31.43 | bz6408 | any idea on why i can't connect to the server list? |
| 01:31.45 | spldart | I can't spell :eek: |
| 01:31.55 | spldart | Your using -public? |
| 01:32.02 | spldart | how long have you been online? |
| 01:32.32 | spldart | Takes a few minutes to get on the public server list |
| 01:32.36 | brlcad | about 20 years? |
| 01:32.36 | spldart | 10 or 15 I think |
| 01:32.38 | spldart | maybe 5 |
| 01:32.50 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:32.57 | spldart | did I misunderst6and tsomething |
| 01:33.33 | spldart | Wait... You can't get to the public list or your server isn't on public list? |
| 01:34.18 | spldart | IC I'm not global registered |
| 01:34.25 | spldart | or login |
| 01:34.34 | spldart | What OS? |
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| 01:36.04 | bz6408 | yeah, i believe so |
| 01:36.38 | bz6408 | just a sec |
| 01:39.10 | bz6408 | hmm |
| 01:39.17 | bz6408 | still won't lemme connect to the server list |
| 01:40.45 | cosmos | <Fatemah_> yeah jah rule and 50 cent invented/pioneered gangsta rap |
| 01:41.15 | bz6408 | oh god. |
| 01:41.19 | bz6408 | what chatroom are you in anyway |
| 01:41.28 | bz6408 | chatroom for the inbred? |
| 01:41.34 | cosmos | EFNET, #redhat |
| 01:41.39 | cosmos | cream of the crop |
| 01:41.43 | spldart | LOLOL |
| 01:42.12 | bz6408 | oooh boy.. |
| 01:42.19 | cosmos | they were arguing about stevie wonder versus justin timberlake |
| 01:42.36 | cosmos | stevie lost because he was "too old, terrible songwriter, not sexy enough" |
| 01:42.37 | spldart | 50 cent was how old when the first jock ridan wannabee's hit the scene? |
| 01:42.38 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:42.40 | bz6408 | DEWD, STEEV COULD KICK JUSTIN'S AZZ0R! |
| 01:43.11 | cosmos | spldart, i mentioned NWA and they thought i was referring to "old wrestling shows" |
| 01:43.20 | spldart | LOL! |
| 01:43.45 | spldart | So Ice T, Ice Cube, Easy E, Too Short, Eric B and Rakim etc etc |
| 01:43.49 | spldart | would be lost on them |
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| 01:44.08 | bz6408 | basically, yeah |
| 01:44.09 | cosmos | hahah yeah, they thought Eric B and Rakim were al qieda terrorists. no joke |
| 01:44.15 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.84.30.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 01:44.22 | spldart | AAAAHHAAAAHHAAAHHAAA!!! |
| 01:44.30 | BIYA | spldart |
| 01:44.34 | LordSarpedon | Has anyone started "quenching" development yet? |
| 01:45.01 | spldart | que? |
| 01:45.18 | cosmos | im going to start quenching my thirst with a bottle of whiskey does that count? |
| 01:45.26 | LordSarpedon | Supposed to increase network performance by only sending info of tanks that you can see |
| 01:45.28 | BIYA | spldart go here..... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3356 |
| 01:45.39 | spldart | I got some Chivas scotch.. Does that count ;) |
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| 01:46.00 | BIYA | Jack Daniels |
| 01:46.06 | cosmos | jack is right |
| 01:46.11 | bz6408 | hah, any idea why i can't qury the server list in the actual game? |
| 01:46.24 | bz6408 | i finally got the server to run, it's just now I can't actually use it. |
| 01:46.27 | cosmos | a couple grams and a bottle of jack. the perfect evening snack |
| 01:46.28 | spldart | bz6408: sorry I don't |
| 01:46.33 | bz6408 | but others can |
| 01:46.38 | bz6408 | *cry* |
| 01:47.16 | BIYA | I dont think I can spell it but Yagermister with some yed bull :) |
| 01:47.23 | BIYA | red* |
| 01:47.26 | spldart | biya: I like your project of the planets but if you are looking for help you are already at my limits of understanding of meshes and textures :( |
| 01:47.45 | BIYA | lol |
| 01:48.08 | BIYA | I wasnt gonna ask you I just wanted you to see it |
| 01:48.10 | cosmos | Jaigermeister |
| 01:48.23 | spldart | I think it's cool biya |
| 01:48.44 | spldart | But... what is the plan.. How are you going to incorporate them in a map.. Or is that the thought. |
| 01:49.23 | BIYA | I wasnt gonna ask you I just wanted you to see it |
| 01:49.26 | BIYA | oop |
| 01:49.30 | BIYA | hld on |
| 01:50.17 | BIYA | Im trying to make it so that everywhere you look is gonna be stars no grass mountains nothing but stars and the planets |
| 01:54.55 | bz6408 | hmm |
| 01:55.05 | spldart | the guru's seem quiet |
| 01:55.13 | bz6408 | what's the default username for admin? |
| 01:55.19 | BIYA | ? |
| 01:55.25 | bz6408 | uh |
| 01:55.27 | bz6408 | for a server |
| 01:55.30 | bz6408 | like |
| 01:55.30 | BIYA | you type in /password |
| 01:55.36 | bz6408 | mk |
| 01:55.37 | BIYA | then your password |
| 01:56.06 | spldart | do you have -password yourpassword in your .conf file? |
| 01:56.06 | bz6408 | can't connect list server socket |
| 01:56.11 | bz6408 | what is meant by that? |
| 01:56.15 | BIYA | yes that to :) |
| 01:56.19 | BIYA | lol |
| 01:56.20 | bz6408 | uep |
| 01:56.22 | bz6408 | yep* |
| 01:56.38 | spldart | Are you getting blocked packets still? |
| 01:56.55 | spldart | I know Jeff was trying to help you get through the firewall and router |
| 01:57.18 | bz6408 | yeah, i got partifally through |
| 01:57.23 | bz6408 | as you can tell by my server being up |
| 01:57.24 | BIYA | Thats why |
| 01:57.31 | bz6408 | but.. before i was able to connect to the server list |
| 01:57.35 | bz6408 | not that the server is up, i can't |
| 01:57.42 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:57.42 | trepan | BIYA: checkout the code snippet I posted in your 'planet' topic |
| 01:58.10 | spldart | I didn't have that problem when I set up :( Don't know why the socket server problem |
| 01:58.11 | bz6408 | now* |
| 01:58.13 | bz6408 | not=now |
| 01:58.24 | bz6408 | bef =( |
| 01:58.49 | orchid | LordSarpedon: tanks you can "see" ? |
| 01:59.04 | bz6408 | lemme take down my server for a second |
| 01:59.17 | orchid | out the window or radar? |
| 01:59.54 | bz6408 | heh |
| 01:59.55 | *** part/#bzflag cosmos (~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org) |
| 01:59.55 | bz6408 | nope |
| 01:59.58 | bz6408 | still can't search em |
| 02:00.02 | bz6408 | this is pretty messed up |
| 02:00.14 | BIYA | Trepan: How do I tell it which one I want to spin? Change sphere to like jupiter? or does it spin all of them? |
| 02:02.28 | spldart | heh |
| 02:02.29 | BIYA | lol |
| 02:02.34 | BIYA | sorry had to ask |
| 02:02.37 | spldart | Jeff does have alot of patience |
| 02:02.43 | BIYA | he does |
| 02:05.35 | spldart | :( |
| 02:05.51 | BIYA | lol |
| 02:05.56 | spldart | He could have waited a bit and somebody smarter than I would have helped :( |
| 02:06.15 | BIYA | He'll be back |
| 02:07.09 | BIYA | http://pastebin.com/265016... from # 2 then down forget # 1 |
| 02:07.40 | brlcad | LordSarpedon: you'd be creating a brand spanking new one |
| 02:07.41 | BIYA | lots of materials..... |
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| 02:10.25 | BIYA | I thought it was Pimpette? but nvm |
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| 02:12.24 | bz4956 | Yahhh wooo! |
| 02:12.38 | BIYA | Look he got it running? |
| 02:12.44 | bz4956 | yessuh =) |
| 02:12.53 | BIYA | good for you |
| 02:12.59 | BIYA | Windows? |
| 02:13.01 | bz4956 | thank you very much |
| 02:13.04 | bz4956 | for the time being, yes |
| 02:13.20 | BIYA | Might have problems in the future |
| 02:13.20 | bz4956 | i'm going to migrate the server to a new box |
| 02:13.22 | bz4956 | linux. |
| 02:13.24 | bz4956 | why's that |
| 02:13.48 | spldart | windows and bzfs don't always get along :( |
| 02:14.05 | BIYA | Little bug in bzflag..... wait about 2 or 3 months then it will start hurting your server |
| 02:14.25 | bz4956 | bahh |
| 02:14.25 | bz4956 | what |
| 02:14.27 | bz4956 | lol |
| 02:14.36 | bz4956 | will a simple restart help? |
| 02:15.25 | BIYA | ? |
| 02:15.27 | spldart | I've been running a server for almost a couple months now on windows. Global logins doesn't work but otherwise ok |
| 02:15.41 | bz4956 | isn't that the point of having a server? |
| 02:15.42 | bz4956 | lol |
| 02:15.46 | BIYA | I ran mine for about 6 months then it just clunked out on me |
| 02:16.07 | bz4956 | well |
| 02:16.18 | bz4956 | I'll have the needed parts for a new box before 2 months time |
| 02:16.26 | BIYA | good |
| 02:16.31 | BIYA | ill go there somtime |
| 02:16.38 | bz4956 | heh |
| 02:16.40 | BIYA | when im done with this friggin planet thing |
| 02:16.43 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.46 | bz4956 | i'll be a newb to linux |
| 02:16.57 | bz4956 | which linux |
| 02:17.07 | LordSarpedon | Yes...radar would be an issue for quenching |
| 02:17.36 | LordSarpedon | Hmmm...well that seems to eliminate the largest lag-defeating feature formulated so far! |
| 02:19.13 | spldart | I'm loving on knoppix live cd so I'm thinking of installing it on one of my extra machines. |
| 02:24.33 | sgk284 | ping trepan |
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| 02:25.10 | brlcad | hmm.. quenching |
| 02:25.16 | sgk284 | spldart, knoppix on an installed machine, in my experience, breaks very easily against updating with apt |
| 02:25.28 | sgk284 | so be cautious:) |
| 02:25.46 | sgk284 | it might be better now a days, this is from like 3.0 or 3.2 days |
| 02:25.58 | trepan | sgk284: pong |
| 02:27.02 | spldart | IC... I was thinking of installing 3.7 on a k6 2 500 machine that's just sitting collecting dust. |
| 02:27.07 | spldart | Need a monitor for it though |
| 02:27.31 | sgk284 | hey trepan, what do you think about a morph property, specify a series of objects (i guess constraints like they must have the same number of vertices could be enforced to make it easier), and have the object morph from one to another in a periodic fashion |
| 02:27.46 | spldart | It would just do a tiny bit of surfing and irc but mostly serve bzfs |
| 02:27.51 | bz4956 | alright al |
| 02:27.52 | bz4956 | g'night |
| 02:27.53 | bz4956 | all* |
| 02:27.56 | sgk284 | g' night |
| 02:27.57 | spldart | night |
| 02:28.00 | trepan | sgk284: i've written a game with that already :) |
| 02:28.01 | BIYA | ight |
| 02:28.06 | BIYA | lol |
| 02:28.14 | sgk284 | oh okay then:) your one step ahead of me ;) |
| 02:28.34 | trepan | i surely won't be adding any of that code to bz |
| 02:28.43 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 02:29.06 | BIYA | trepan did you see the conversation I had with Jeff about teams? |
| 02:29.42 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.52 | sgk284 | heh |
| 02:30.01 | trepan | the ol' off-by-one error |
| 02:30.03 | BIYA | Ahhh :) no one likes me :) less mail in my inbox heh dont care |
| 02:30.30 | sgk284 | someone in secretplace asked me to add them the the bzflag mailing list, is there such a thing other then for devs? |
| 02:30.38 | sgk284 | s/the/to |
| 02:31.16 | bryjen | blargh. built from cvs does wierd things on joining a game :( |
| 02:31.45 | wegstar | does it crash when it joins a game? |
| 02:32.00 | bryjen | appears to connect to server, gets the map, puts me in the scoreboard, but no other players |
| 02:32.05 | wegstar | or.. show that "dead" screen |
| 02:32.14 | wegstar | yep... |
| 02:32.23 | bryjen | sits there flashing "right click to enter", but it doesn't do anything |
| 02:32.32 | wegstar | yeah.. I had the same prob.. |
| 02:33.03 | bryjen | escape still goes to the menu |
| 02:33.18 | wegstar | yeah.. same here.. |
| 02:33.42 | wegstar | also... there is sound while on a server.. |
| 02:33.53 | wegstar | you can hear the others shoot and yourself shoot... |
| 02:33.54 | bryjen | hrm, or it locks up :( |
| 02:34.10 | bryjen | I can't get "alive". no sounds either |
| 02:34.17 | wegstar | hmm |
| 02:34.33 | bryjen | no game sounds. when the menu works, i get the menu sounds |
| 02:38.07 | bryjen | ok, i can get on my (empty) server. there was a delay after right-clicking to get alive |
| 02:39.44 | wegstar | er... |
| 02:40.41 | wegstar | for me, the right clicking screen stops blinkig after I right clicked.. and stays that way.. |
| 02:41.24 | bryjen | secretplace too. longer delay. |
| 02:41.37 | wegstar | :) |
| 02:41.39 | bryjen | :/ |
| 02:50.13 | bryjen | yuk. the lag is terrible |
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| 03:09.21 | bryjen | i should've tried that first. |
| 03:10.20 | sgk284 | err i know people have pointe out other problems, but for me a fresh pull from cvs seems majorly broken |
| 03:10.49 | sgk284 | others said that they got stuck on the mouse click screen, my build won't sned tokens and can't global authenticate |
| 03:11.50 | sgk284 | err actually that may be related to libbind... its a different problem then i had before though |
| 03:11.50 | sgk284 | let me verify |
| 03:13.31 | bryjen | i'm ok after resetting my cable modem. |
| 03:13.43 | bryjen | :/ |
| 03:14.20 | bryjen | file all my whining under "This is what happens when your ISP sucks" |
| 03:14.23 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:15.34 | sgk284 | file all my whining under "my configure script improperly sets -lbind when it shouldn't, although bzflag partially works with it now, regardless...compile without bind and everything is fine" |
| 03:15.43 | sgk284 | :) |
| 03:16.20 | bryjen | that's a configure bug then |
| 03:16.43 | sgk284 | not necessarily, others can't replicate it, but i can since beginning of february |
| 03:16.52 | sgk284 | think my system may be messy |
| 03:17.01 | bryjen | you're unique ;) |
| 03:17.07 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:17.35 | sgk284 | wierd thing is, 2 weeks ago, bzflag wouldn't do anything if compiled with bind, today i can join and play jsut cant globally authenticate |
| 03:17.43 | sgk284 | so whatever was changed in the code helped |
| 03:17.59 | sgk284 | i wonder if i'm the only person compiling with bind |
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| 03:30.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 03:33.26 | BIYA | Jeff is back :) |
| 03:37.07 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:37.10 | spldart | :) |
| 03:37.14 | wegstar | ~karma BIYA |
| 03:37.14 | ibot | biya has neutral karma |
| 03:37.19 | wegstar | ~karma spldart |
| 03:37.19 | ibot | spldart has neutral karma |
| 03:37.39 | Aribeth | ~karma Aribeth |
| 03:37.39 | ibot | aribeth has karma of 13 |
| 03:37.49 | bzflagwiz | ~karma bzflagwiz |
| 03:37.49 | ibot | bzflagwiz has karma of 1 |
| 03:38.06 | Aribeth | ~bzflagwiz++ |
| 03:38.28 | bzflagwiz | they LIKE me - they REALLY REALLY LIKE me! |
| 03:38.34 | wegstar | ~sqlquery INSERT INTO karma values('bzflagwiz', 1,NULL) |
| 03:38.39 | wegstar | oops wrong channel |
| 03:38.45 | bzflagwiz | lol |
| 03:38.45 | Aribeth | The Mask |
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| 03:42.11 | jpa- | mronign |
| 03:43.03 | BIYA | nuetral what??? Karma.... lol what is that sopposed to mean? Karma means luck I soppose? |
| 03:43.36 | sgk284 | ~karma |
| 03:43.36 | ibot | sgk284 has karma of 45 |
| 03:43.39 | cosmos | what school did you say you go to? |
| 03:44.03 | BIYA | Massaponax High School |
| 03:44.16 | BIYA | I make C's and B's |
| 03:44.18 | cosmos | man they don't teach kids shit these days |
| 03:44.50 | spldart | ? |
| 03:45.08 | BIYA | nuetral what??? Karma.... lol what is that sopposed to mean? Karma means luck I soppose? |
| 03:45.11 | BIYA | that |
| 03:45.11 | cosmos | how can you not know what karma is |
| 03:45.19 | cosmos | i mean cmon |
| 03:45.38 | BIYA | I learned it in middle school when my teacher was talking about buddists |
| 03:45.44 | jpa- | hi sgkyouhavedefinitelytoomuchkarmaewwwyoumustbenice284 |
| 03:45.56 | sgk284 | cosmos, not everyone is a buddhist ;) |
| 03:46.00 | sgk284 | morning jpa- |
| 03:46.20 | cosmos | you dont have to be buddhist for crying out loud |
| 03:46.46 | purple_cow | the average westerner's idea of karma is pretty detached from the buddhist/hindu meaning |
| 03:46.55 | cosmos | its the same excuse kids use when they dont know who a musician is "they were before my time" |
| 03:47.21 | cosmos | i got told Prince was for elderly people today by a 15 year old |
| 03:47.37 | sgk284 | well thats not entirely inaccurate ;) |
| 03:48.41 | BIYA | Girlfriends get in the way of school work |
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| 03:49.02 | cosmos | my fav was 46% of some middle school children didnt know who babe ruth, franklin roosevelt, or jack kerouac were |
| 03:49.47 | BIYA | babe ruth famous baseball player franklin roosevelt president and I dont know who that was |
| 03:50.42 | JBdiGriz | so the 60's aren't a part of history yet |
| 03:51.06 | cosmos | id consider kerouac more on the 50s myself |
| 03:51.07 | brlcad | a candy bar, a hotel, and a magazine :) |
| 03:51.15 | sgk284 | i believe its called "modern american history" in schools these days or something |
| 03:51.22 | cosmos | but they need to conquer common sense first in HS |
| 03:51.43 | JBdiGriz | I heard about Kerouac more in the 60's |
| 03:52.14 | cosmos | all of his classic work was done in the 50's he was famous by the 60s tho |
| 03:52.28 | cosmos | i like his drunk appearance on the steve allen show |
| 03:53.13 | JBdiGriz | Of course, I was reading more in the 60's as well :) |
| 03:53.22 | cosmos | heh |
| 03:54.44 | brlcad | what i didn't know for a _really_ long time is that babe played for the baltimore orioles |
| 03:54.56 | cosmos | of course he did |
| 03:55.07 | cosmos | he was brought up in baltimore |
| 03:55.13 | cosmos | the team bought him from the orgphanage |
| 03:55.20 | brlcad | i'm not big into baseball |
| 03:56.17 | bryjen | or, more generally, what's important to you is not always important to others ;P |
| 03:56.35 | brlcad | but you'd think I might know given I can get to the camden yards ticket booths in about 20 minutes |
| 03:57.11 | cosmos | heh i can walk to dodger stadium but wouldnt advise that. i got jacked the first time i tried that |
| 03:57.47 | brlcad | i was probably told at some point, and thought "oh neat" .. that was quickly supplanted with bitwise operators or perl syntax or something |
| 03:58.04 | cosmos | heh |
| 03:58.16 | cosmos | im much more of a jock |
| 03:58.23 | sgk284 | be carefule with that perl syntax, its dangerous stuff, it will quickly turn your brain into mush ;) |
| 03:58.29 | sgk284 | s/carefule/careful |
| 03:58.51 | brlcad | i'm a workout nut, but I stick to lifting and crew |
| 04:00.27 | brlcad | I can detail you an proper stroking technique for a starboard seat, or proper squat technique but don't ask me who won the world series ;) |
| 04:00.58 | cosmos | be careful, in los angeles "stroking technique" at a gym has a different connotation |
| 04:05.44 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.84.30.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 04:05.52 | spldart | There you are biya |
| 04:05.58 | BIYA | :) |
| 04:06.03 | spldart | I got the map to start.... But I'm still outside :( |
| 04:06.12 | BIYA | O_o |
| 04:06.14 | BIYA | okay |
| 04:06.17 | BIYA | heres a fix |
| 04:06.20 | spldart | the png worked though. The globe and ground are black |
| 04:06.35 | BIYA | erase the zone thing I gave you |
| 04:07.07 | BIYA | in the options section where it says -worldsize 10000 change that to 800 |
| 04:07.10 | spldart | all of the stuff after zone you had me add? |
| 04:07.16 | spldart | Ok |
| 04:07.23 | BIYA | yes that |
| 04:08.22 | BIYA | you should spawn in the dome.. since the dome is like 10000 in size.... |
| 04:09.14 | spldart | done |
| 04:09.24 | spldart | none of the planets have textures but they are there |
| 04:09.25 | BIYA | is this a public server? |
| 04:09.27 | spldart | sweet |
| 04:09.42 | BIYA | cause you dont have the textures for them yet |
| 04:09.42 | spldart | ? |
| 04:09.51 | spldart | yep |
| 04:09.57 | BIYA | ill come and look |
| 04:10.09 | spldart | no public server |
| 04:10.11 | BIYA | o |
| 04:10.14 | spldart | yep no textures |
| 04:10.17 | BIYA | lol |
| 04:10.18 | spldart | sorry |
| 04:10.20 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:10.28 | BIYA | ill get you the textures |
| 04:10.35 | spldart | I landed on the sun |
| 04:10.39 | BIYA | lol |
| 04:10.50 | BIYA | I was on pluto for like 30min laughing |
| 04:10.56 | BIYA | and jumping up and down |
| 04:11.16 | brlcad | hehe, http://www.storesonline.com/images/site/common/en/image/imagewrap.img?picture.image.url=http://www.storesonline.com/members/405636/uploaded/PortRower.jpg&picture.width.max=380 |
| 04:11.27 | BIYA | notice that plutos moon Charon is there to? everything is the right distance size andgle and shape |
| 04:11.58 | BIYA | I may not know computers but I do know astronomy ;) |
| 04:12.07 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:12.47 | spldart | Let me guess... They call that image... "brawny-scrawny" |
| 04:13.16 | brlcad | "rower's arm" :) |
| 04:13.34 | brlcad | at least for a sweeper |
| 04:13.36 | spldart | There's a whole lotta spanking going on /singsong |
| 04:14.01 | spldart | Am I the first one to see your map? |
| 04:14.32 | BIYA | yeah.. I havnt even seen it like that |
| 04:14.38 | spldart | oh :( |
| 04:14.50 | BIYA | dont worry im actually using you :) |
| 04:15.17 | spldart | I feel so sticky and confused |
| 04:15.20 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:16.38 | spldart | If I didn't have to worry about nat-ing a port to this computer I would put it public and link you right now :( |
| 04:16.40 | spldart | hrm... |
| 04:16.43 | spldart | mabye I should |
| 04:16.55 | BIYA | not yet |
| 04:17.29 | MeBigFatGuy | hmm marylanders have the 2nd longest commute in the nation avg = 30.2 mins |
| 04:17.39 | MeBigFatGuy | and the most extreme commutes > 1:30 |
| 04:17.41 | cosmos | thats long? |
| 04:17.47 | MeBigFatGuy | as an average yes |
| 04:17.50 | cosmos | until recently mine was over 2 hours |
| 04:18.03 | MeBigFatGuy | mine is 1:30, and i'm a marylander |
| 04:18.05 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 04:18.34 | cosmos | cant you drive across 6 states over there in 1:30? |
| 04:18.41 | spldart | I just forwared 5123 to this machine |
| 04:19.24 | cosmos | http://tinyurl.com/4e66p |
| 04:19.49 | BIYA | http://maps.jpl.nasa.gov/ Name every texture as like Uranus is called Uranus Jupiter is called jupiter and so on. And the moons, charon and our moon http://maps.jpl.nasa.gov/pix/plu1rss1.jpg call that PlutosMoon http://www.cortland.edu/flteach/civ/DavidWeb/images/moonb.jpg and cal that one EarthsMoon |
| 04:19.52 | BIYA | whew |
| 04:20.01 | spldart | ok.... |
| 04:20.07 | spldart | Try this 67.10.210.195:5123 |
| 04:20.21 | BIYA | still cant get the textures right though... okay |
| 04:21.09 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user) |
| 04:22.48 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5123 |
| 04:22.59 | spldart | it's up... |
| 04:23.05 | spldart | check it out biya |
| 04:23.12 | spldart | cuz i'm taking it down soon |
| 04:23.34 | *** join/#bzflag bz9103 (~42a8e2b1@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 04:23.42 | *** part/#bzflag bz9103 (~42a8e2b1@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 04:24.03 | MeBigFatGuy | cosmo, probably 4 if you went circuitously |
| 04:24.53 | BIYA | It ook me awhile to get there... then you took it down |
| 04:25.13 | spldart | it's still up |
| 04:25.19 | BIYA | O_o |
| 04:25.20 | spldart | I got stuck on saturns ring |
| 04:25.25 | BIYA | it kicked me off |
| 04:25.28 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5123 |
| 04:25.35 | BIYA | lol |
| 04:25.40 | BIYA | hold on |
| 04:27.32 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5123 |
| 04:30.07 | spldart | what did it say when it kicked you off? |
| 04:30.42 | spldart | I just saw you in and out again :( |
| 04:32.08 | spldart | R U there? |
| 04:32.42 | BIYA | server disconnected |
| 04:32.59 | BIYA | I was there like a hundred times.... samething |
| 04:33.12 | spldart | Write error EAGAIN |
| 04:33.15 | spldart | whats' that |
| 04:33.23 | BIYA | O_o |
| 04:33.34 | BIYA | thats that bzflag bug isnt it? |
| 04:33.49 | spldart | dunno |
| 04:33.51 | spldart | took server down |
| 04:34.07 | spldart | got screenshot of your attempts to join in the dos box |
| 04:34.11 | *** join/#bzflag crko` (jan@crko.user) |
| 04:34.11 | spldart | I'mm post i tup |
| 04:34.14 | spldart | in asec |
| 04:34.16 | BIYA | dont worry |
| 04:34.22 | BIYA | I know what it says |
| 04:34.35 | BIYA | It happens to me took when people join my server |
| 04:34.54 | BIYA | errr cant type today :( |
| 04:35.18 | spldart | Any idea why? |
| 04:35.25 | *** join/#bzflag [vertigo] (~h4x0r@shorty114.user) |
| 04:35.34 | BIYA | we need to ask a dev or somthing cause I have no clue |
| 04:35.41 | spldart | ic |
| 04:36.00 | spldart | It doesn't happen to my normal bzfs server which is sitting next to me |
| 04:36.11 | spldart | but it did with this one |
| 04:36.16 | BIYA | weird |
| 04:37.40 | sgk284 | any devs awake? |
| 04:37.41 | spldart | well |
| 04:37.52 | spldart | I have a screenshot ready for a dev anywho |
| 04:37.53 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:37.59 | sgk284 | it is possible for bzflag to trap ctrl-z right? |
| 04:38.59 | spldart | Do we call them devs in reference to linux? |
| 04:39.02 | sgk284 | a new "exploit" of the game (for lack of a better word) is being used on secretplace where people play in windowed mode, put the cursor active in the console, play bzflag with the mouse, when shot at hit ctrl-z to bg the process then fg it right away |
| 04:39.09 | sgk284 | a delay in packets allows them to never die |
| 04:39.39 | sgk284 | apparently only works in a unix environment, unless there is a way to bg processes in windows |
| 04:39.47 | spldart | UGH |
| 04:39.50 | cosmos | that might require some skill |
| 04:40.00 | BIYA | wow..... thats handy :) |
| 04:40.19 | spldart | I've had some people that wouldn't die in secret place |
| 04:40.23 | sgk284 | yea the timing is a pain to get down but at least one person has become very proficient at it |
| 04:40.33 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.43 | sgk284 | damn near impossible to detect |
| 04:40.54 | sgk284 | especially when done right |
| 04:40.56 | cosmos | if you know they are proficient |
| 04:41.02 | cosmos | you know who they are right |
| 04:41.06 | sgk284 | we only found out by chance |
| 04:41.09 | JBdiGriz | I saw someone on hepcat, but they went nr for a second |
| 04:41.17 | sgk284 | cosmos, that would only be a temporary solution |
| 04:41.25 | cosmos | how so |
| 04:41.41 | sgk284 | banning a person who does isn't a solution to the problem |
| 04:41.47 | sgk284 | trapping the keys is a solution |
| 04:41.47 | cosmos | true |
| 04:42.00 | cosmos | but at hepcat we ban your entire class A netblock no questions asked ;) |
| 04:42.10 | shorty114 | heh |
| 04:42.35 | sgk284 | the only real sign is if they start going in a circle when shot at and the bullet goes through them (they go in a circle because the mouse moves off the screen right before hand to focus on the console, however they can do that long before getting shot at |
| 04:43.09 | cosmos | the lenghts people go to just to cheat at a free game |
| 04:43.21 | BIYA | spldart..... how did you get it to work? |
| 04:43.29 | sgk284 | well i think they justify this as not cheating because they havent modified any code |
| 04:43.39 | shorty114 | yeah, but it's an exploit |
| 04:43.45 | spldart | I played around with the .conf. I had some conflicts with your options |
| 04:43.52 | sgk284 | yea and an abuse of policies |
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| 04:44.06 | spldart | you speak of the map right? |
| 04:44.13 | BIYA | make sure that they cant go in circles for long..... Kick them after about 5 seconds of going in circles |
| 04:44.18 | BIYA | yes |
| 04:44.24 | spldart | I love to cheat.. IN a closed game |
| 04:44.28 | spldart | but not a public one |
| 04:44.28 | BIYA | ust like idle time |
| 04:45.08 | BIYA | hey wegstar... heh reminds me of my map weg"star" |
| 04:47.37 | wegstar | ah :) |
| 04:48.06 | wegstar | how's the map going? |
| 04:48.26 | BIYA | spldart is the only one that has seen it |
| 04:48.29 | BIYA | ask him :) |
| 04:48.39 | spldart | It's pretty cool |
| 04:48.50 | spldart | I just need to get some more textures added |
| 04:48.51 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:49.00 | BIYA | Its just that the textures are a nesesity |
| 04:49.03 | spldart | I like sneaking under the sun rays |
| 04:49.13 | BIYA | and I need to get the textures fixed :( |
| 04:49.20 | spldart | It would be cool to find a way to keep saturns rings from capturing yah |
| 04:49.35 | wegstar | oh.. |
| 04:49.36 | spldart | I got stuck BAD and had to restart :( |
| 04:49.53 | BIYA | I tried but I could get it level enough in my editor.... Cause the system is one big mesh |
| 04:50.10 | spldart | ic |
| 04:50.35 | *** join/#bzflag [vertigo] (~h4x0r@shorty114.user) |
| 04:50.39 | spldart | well |
| 04:51.10 | spldart | Your map stuff is safe I wont let anyone see or pass it on... Your intellectual property. |
| 04:51.44 | BIYA | crap took me 4 days to get it right |
| 04:51.45 | wegstar | :) |
| 04:52.03 | BIYA | about 5 solar systems to get to that one :( |
| 04:52.16 | spldart | God is tought job ;) |
| 04:52.27 | spldart | tought = tough |
| 04:53.00 | BIYA | I might add saturns and jupiters moons..... I think its about 20 moons total |
| 04:53.51 | spldart | I spent like 3 hours last night to learn and add a transporter, get it to work, link and fit into my map :( |
| 04:54.03 | BIYA | O_o |
| 04:54.06 | BIYA | it took me 2 min |
| 04:54.16 | spldart | it was my first transporter |
| 04:54.17 | BIYA | and I wrote it in Notepad |
| 04:54.20 | spldart | It was louman's map |
| 04:54.31 | spldart | and the link went to another transporter in my add on |
| 04:54.34 | BIYA | my first time writing a teleporter |
| 04:54.38 | BIYA | lol |
| 04:54.41 | wegstar | :) |
| 04:54.42 | spldart | I had some problems with stuff that rpg did |
| 04:54.52 | spldart | tanks would stick on the transporter |
| 04:55.01 | BIYA | I would never trust that kid with my maps |
| 04:55.02 | spldart | or the links would cross up with other transporter links |
| 04:55.45 | spldart | no.. rpg didn't Do them. I had one of the problems he did when he did his first transporters |
| 04:55.55 | BIYA | o |
| 04:55.56 | BIYA | lol |
| 04:56.07 | spldart | And the LouMan TimeTrials map is complex :( |
| 04:56.17 | spldart | I've made several changes |
| 04:56.17 | BIYA | extremely |
| 04:56.30 | spldart | That'w kinda why it took so long :( |
| 04:56.33 | BIYA | like the fire :) |
| 04:57.05 | spldart | Fire took only 1 hour 15 minutes fromt he time I found it on LandSharks post to getting it added to my map |
| 04:57.33 | BIYA | I didnt bother with it...... after it FRYED my map |
| 04:57.43 | spldart | LOL |
| 04:57.50 | spldart | burn you down? |
| 04:58.05 | BIYA | yup |
| 04:58.17 | spldart | honestly it would look cool to coat your sun in the fire texture |
| 04:58.33 | spldart | and arc sunspots |
| 04:58.47 | BIYA | do what you want |
| 04:58.58 | spldart | nah |
| 04:59.10 | BIYA | I knew you wouldnt |
| 04:59.11 | spldart | I have a map that sux up to much of my time already ;) |
| 04:59.17 | BIYA | lol |
| 04:59.36 | BIYA | now we just need to find a dev |
| 05:00.44 | spldart | It has been amazingly quiet in here.... |
| 05:00.56 | BIYA | yeah |
| 05:00.58 | spldart | Just us n00bs jabbering |
| 05:00.59 | brlcad | amazing |
| 05:01.11 | spldart | No jeff |
| 05:01.12 | BIYA | amazing? |
| 05:01.13 | spldart | no dtr |
| 05:01.33 | BIYA | If jeff was here i would be being yelled at? |
| 05:01.38 | spldart | Well.. And a few old schoolers are being quiet |
| 05:01.52 | BIYA | They always are |
| 05:02.05 | JeffM2502 | he's not here? :) |
| 05:02.13 | Thumper_ | nope he's not |
| 05:02.27 | cosmos | SAN DIEGO - The hunt is on for a turd burglar. Police in San Diego are searching for a gunman who swiped a bag of poop from a woman out walking her dog. |
| 05:02.40 | spldart | LOLOL |
| 05:02.52 | cosmos | he then shot the woman in the face |
| 05:02.57 | cosmos | after realizing what it ws |
| 05:02.58 | spldart | :( |
| 05:03.03 | MeBigFatGuy | oof |
| 05:03.20 | BIYA | no jeff isnt here :) |
| 05:03.48 | JeffM2502 | here isnt' a place |
| 05:03.59 | BIYA | Jeff isnt in the IRC |
| 05:04.05 | BIYA | ? better? |
| 05:04.05 | JeffM2502 | realy? |
| 05:04.10 | JeffM2502 | where is he? |
| 05:04.22 | BIYA | dunno ask spldart |
| 05:04.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 05:04.48 | JeffM2501 | or maybe the laptop just has the wrong number |
| 05:04.58 | BIYA | lol |
| 05:05.18 | spldart | I no nothing... |
| 05:05.20 | cosmos | another american kidnapped in iraq. beheading threatened. back to this agin |
| 05:05.20 | bryjen | "if you would like to place a call, please hang up and try again" |
| 05:05.23 | spldart | I are teh n00b |
| 05:05.48 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: well, obviously he's out getting completely hammered! where else would he be? |
| 05:06.17 | bryjen | at home getting completely hammered? |
| 05:06.20 | JeffM2501 | rolling up a DnD character |
| 05:06.26 | JeffM2501 | I'm not at home |
| 05:07.09 | purple_cow | you know, i'd laugh, but that's not a joke :P |
| 05:07.15 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 05:07.34 | spldart | Their coming to take me away hoo hoo hee hee ha ha where life is beatiful all the time! |
| 05:07.48 | BIYA | lol |
| 05:07.52 | JeffM2501 | Ash, level 3 sorcer |
| 05:08.20 | bryjen | ~spell sorcer |
| 05:08.27 | cosmos | iraqi militants have offered to behead michael jackson as a sign of good will towards America |
| 05:08.46 | spldart | LOL |
| 05:08.47 | Aribeth | Napolean X!V |
| 05:08.54 | spldart | In his pajamas? |
| 05:09.15 | cosmos | that would be a monumental pay per view event |
| 05:09.42 | BIYA | naa cartoon network adultswim ;) |
| 05:10.14 | purple_cow | hmm, a level 3 sorter |
| 05:10.15 | BIYA | Thats why I said cartoon network |
| 05:10.25 | bryjen | purple_cow: a postal worker! |
| 05:11.07 | purple_cow | at least that's less repulsive than a leve 3 sore |
| 05:11.17 | spldart | I are going teh nighty night. Cyah's tomorrow :) |
| 05:11.21 | BIYA | spldart..... show Jeff the screenie and see whats wrong |
| 05:11.21 | *** part/#bzflag spldart (~spldart@cpe-67-10-210-195.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 05:11.27 | BIYA | errrr |
| 05:12.26 | SportChick | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 05:12.27 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #bzflag (22h 5m 32s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 10h 47m 45s |
| 05:15.17 | wegstar | ~seen Timiker |
| 05:15.18 | ibot | wegstar: i haven't seen 'timiker' |
| 05:15.20 | wegstar | oops |
| 05:15.23 | wegstar | ~seen TimRiker |
| 05:15.24 | ibot | timriker is currently on #debian-bots (21h 14m 44s) #elinux (21h 14m 44s) #ol (21h 14m 44s) #bzflag (21h 14m 44s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 6h 37m 5s |
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| 05:21.44 | brlcad | ahhh, such a good feeling |
| 05:22.12 | brlcad | a solid hour in a single gdb session and alas enlightenment is achieved |
| 05:24.50 | Thumper_ | SportChick: ping |
| 05:32.07 | MeBigFatGuy | alas,,,achieved... |
| 05:32.10 | MeBigFatGuy | odd verbage |
| 05:32.29 | brlcad | alas, true... |
| 05:32.49 | brlcad | and true |
| 05:32.51 | MeBigFatGuy | sort of like using 'anymore' in a declarative sentence |
| 05:33.29 | brlcad | I declare anymore anytime anywhere |
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| 05:39.39 | SportChick | Thumper_: pong |
| 05:42.39 | SportChick | brlcad, jeffm2501, mebigfatguy, anyone: do you know if sgk284 or anyone else was able to duplicate the ctrl-z cheat/bug on a mac? |
| 05:43.15 | wegstar | "ctrl-z cheat"? |
| 05:43.17 | creeperz | SportChick: ohhh, whats that? |
| 05:43.56 | creeperz | and 90 KB/sec |
| 05:44.01 | creeperz | this is taking forever :-( |
| 05:47.38 | wegstar | hmm... |
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| 06:21.56 | SportChick | brlcad: ping |
| 06:22.01 | SportChick | learner: ping |
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| 06:31.56 | wegstar | :) |
| 06:31.57 | brlcad | SportChick: i have no idea, haven't heard of it |
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| 06:35.54 | SportChick | brlcad: can mac run bz in terminal mode or something similar? |
| 06:36.16 | brlcad | what do you mean by terminal mode? |
| 06:36.24 | brlcad | you can run it on the command line, yes |
| 06:36.36 | brlcad | that's how the server is run |
| 06:37.05 | wegstar | night all |
| 06:37.17 | SportChick | actually, EB has just confirmed that he could reproduce the bug on mac |
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| 06:38.27 | Evil_Bob | hi ho, evil-the-bob here |
| 06:38.35 | brlcad | if the "bug" has something to do with suspending the application, mac's no different than linux/bsd/*nix |
| 06:38.38 | SportChick | one sec |
| 06:38.54 | Evil_Bob | it's a bug in that SIGTSTP should be ignored. |
| 06:39.36 | Evil_Bob | just not as obvious to do mac as on linux |
| 06:39.44 | brlcad | huh? |
| 06:39.47 | brlcad | it's identical |
| 06:40.05 | Evil_Bob | most mac users won't know to open the .app in a terminal. |
| 06:40.17 | Evil_Bob | the overwhelming majority of them, i'd wager. :) |
| 06:40.37 | brlcad | oh, you mean not obvious to make it happen |
| 06:40.50 | Evil_Bob | right |
| 06:40.53 | brlcad | there are gui tools that will let you send signals to apps |
| 06:41.00 | brlcad | even ones apple ships |
| 06:41.05 | Evil_Bob | yes |
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| 06:50.19 | bzflagwiz | SportChick - I'm here |
| 06:50.33 | SportChick | are you wiz?! |
| 06:50.42 | SportChick | omg, this whole time, I had no idea! |
| 06:50.51 | bzflagwiz | yes - you just asked me on secretplace to come here... |
| 06:51.00 | bzflagwiz | Cyclones rule! |
| 06:51.22 | bzflagwiz | And how long do I have to say nice things about the Jayhawks? |
| 06:51.34 | SportChick | forever |
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| 07:49.03 | IIugh | Question: what the #### do I type into the sound driver typein to get it to use artsd/alsa? This is not documetned anyhere I have looked (and looked I have...). |
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| 08:52.20 | Wolverine_JrDUBi | oh man. |
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| 11:25.29 | ToughShooter | ~weather EDDF |
| 11:44.44 | Birdie | its possible on a server to remove the set polls for registered players, but keep the kick ban polls for them? |
| 11:48.34 | trepan | yup, iirc |
| 11:50.21 | Birdie | thx trepan |
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| 11:52.44 | bz3398 | is there anyway to post the stats of my server on my website? |
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| 12:13.22 | uso | the set polls should be disabled by default, it's a too big pitfall as hepcat has shown |
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| 13:34.34 | sussudio | meh. |
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| 14:12.47 | sussudio | GvzEvxre: meh |
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| 14:13.41 | sussudio | i installed the new ati radeon driver yesterday and now bzflag doesn't set the gamma anymore. i have to manually do it every time. |
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| 14:42.47 | BIYA | hmm cant connect to my server :( |
| 14:44.24 | scanline | it wouldn't happen to be on ThePlanet, would it? |
| 14:44.49 | BIYA | ? |
| 14:45.28 | scanline | the datacenter |
| 14:45.50 | scanline | they had a huge equipment failure this morning, taking down lots of people's servers |
| 14:46.42 | BIYA | no I just started it up.... its running now but it isnt doing anything.... sitting on my dos window doing nothing |
| 14:48.09 | BIYA | When I try to join it just says Error Connecting to Server |
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| 15:17.17 | BIYA | Two thirds of Niger's 11 million people live on less than $1 a day and the country is at the bottom of the UN Human Development Index. |
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| 15:17.25 | spldart | Morning |
| 15:17.30 | BIYA | morning |
| 15:18.05 | BIYA | Niger, rated as one of the world's poorest nations, was badly affected by last year's locust invasion. |
| 15:18.54 | wegstar | morning |
| 15:19.01 | wegstar | ... |
| 15:19.48 | spldart | How goes it today? |
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| 15:20.21 | BIYA | Server wont run that friggin map again :) :( |
| 15:20.36 | spldart | :( |
| 15:24.27 | BIYA | A helicopter arrived on Wednesday carrying tents for 300 people, 5,000 portions of noodles, 10,000 portions of rice, 3,000 bottles of water, 200 body bags and hundreds of litres of fuel. |
| 15:24.58 | BIYA | thats alot of noodles |
| 15:27.29 | wegstar | "Terri Schiavo, 41, Dies in Fla. Hospice" |
| 15:27.41 | BIYA | herad |
| 15:27.47 | BIYA | heard |
| 15:28.11 | wegstar | oh well |
| 15:28.25 | BIYA | Sony wants an 'iTunes for movies' |
| 15:28.25 | BIYA | Sony Pictures says it is to make its top 500 films available digitally in the next year. |
| 15:29.43 | spldart | what does 'available digitally mean? |
| 15:30.11 | BIYA | an Itunes for movies |
| 15:30.37 | BIYA | Portable video player |
| 15:30.53 | spldart | ah |
| 15:30.57 | spldart | intersting. |
| 15:30.57 | BIYA | A Chinese man has been stabbed to death in a row over a sword in online game Legends of Mir 3, say reports. |
| 15:31.17 | spldart | I just keep watching DVD's ripped and encoded to AVI on my mini laptop ;) |
| 15:31.27 | BIYA | lol |
| 15:31.31 | spldart | I heard that one about the chinese sword weilder |
| 15:31.34 | BIYA | Although Mr Caoyuan said he would hand over the money from the sale of the sword, Mr Chengwei lost patience and attacked him in real life. |
| 15:31.36 | spldart | psycho |
| 15:31.37 | TheRedBaron | spldart, gotta love the internet |
| 15:31.57 | spldart | for all these stories? |
| 15:32.08 | BIYA | The China Daily said Mr Caoyuan was stabbed with "great force" in the left chest and killed. |
| 15:32.36 | wegstar | ... |
| 15:32.50 | spldart | I guess that means he was run through |
| 15:33.01 | BIYA | This is in contrast to places like South Korea which has a section of its police force that investigates in-game crime. |
| 15:33.03 | BIYA | lol |
| 15:33.08 | wegstar | "online games" |
| 15:33.17 | spldart | wow |
| 15:33.18 | wegstar | that's usual... |
| 15:33.41 | BIYA | Like many online games Legends of Mir 3 is set in a fantasy world in which players take on the roles of warriors, wizards and priests. |
| 15:33.41 | spldart | a police section for in game crime :rolleyes: |
| 15:33.41 | BIYA | :) |
| 15:33.43 | wegstar | they will send gangs after you ... |
| 15:33.57 | BIYA | yes they will wegstar |
| 15:34.05 | spldart | OH NO!! TRIADS!!! |
| 15:34.08 | spldart | hehe |
| 15:34.22 | BIYA | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4397159.stm |
| 15:34.58 | BIYA | Mr Chengwei only got the powerful virtual weapon shortly before it was sold for 7,200 yuan (£460). |
| 15:35.24 | wegstar | they actually will fly thousands of miles for a lost virtual item ;) |
| 15:35.28 | wegstar | to make you pay :) |
| 15:35.41 | BIYA | lol guess so |
| 15:35.42 | wegstar | well, that is if you stole it or caused its lost |
| 15:35.50 | wegstar | s/lost/loss/ |
| 15:36.56 | wegstar | don't give out a lot of info. on yourself while playing online games :P |
| 15:37.19 | wegstar | I don't know about bzflag though... |
| 15:37.33 | BIYA | US scientists have managed to measure the mass of a cluster of xenon atoms at just a few billionths of a trillionth of a gram - or a few zeptograms. |
| 15:37.42 | wegstar | ooh |
| 15:38.24 | wegstar | I mean, i'm not going to your house ad chp you up becaused you tked me ;) |
| 15:38.26 | spldart | coolies |
| 15:38.42 | BIYA | The scales use a small blade that vibrates in a magnetic field that generates a voltage in an attached wire. |
| 15:38.43 | BIYA | lol |
| 15:39.06 | BIYA | "You tk'ed me errr ima goin over there to chop you up" |
| 15:39.16 | wegstar | :) |
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| 15:39.37 | BIYA | When atoms or molecules are placed on the blade's surface, they weigh it down. The atoms are added as a very fine "spray". |
| 15:40.11 | BIYA | Because the device is cooled, the molecules condense on the bar and add their mass to it, lowering its frequency and changing the voltage of the wire. |
| 15:40.12 | BIYA | But to get good measurements of sophisticated biomolecules like proteins, researchers say, the scales will have to become 1,000 times more precise, capable of weighing yoctograms. One yoctogram is about the same as an individual hydrogen atom. |
| 15:40.12 | BIYA | Devices |
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| 15:40.45 | wegstar | "Brain chip reads man's thoughts" -- nice 8) |
| 15:40.50 | BIYA | I wander how many yoctograms I am |
| 15:40.57 | BIYA | lol |
| 15:41.13 | wegstar | "He can think his TV on and off, change channels and alter the volume thanks to the technology and software linked to devices in his home." |
| 15:42.09 | BIYA | lol |
| 15:42.19 | wegstar | BBC News |
| 15:42.28 | BIYA | BBC News Channel |
| 15:42.38 | orange | there must be a real channel for that, eh? |
| 15:43.31 | TheRedBaron | so we can talk BZ here. |
| 15:43.33 | orange | because I monitor this channel for bzflag information |
| 15:43.45 | orange | it gets a little off topic at times, but usually it stops |
| 15:43.51 | wegstar | :) |
| 15:44.13 | wegstar | we can connect news to bzflag |
| 15:44.35 | BIYA | Okay, there isnt any bz talk going on.... Should just shut up and stop talking or can we have alittle bit of a conversation here.... before it gets to the bz talk.. |
| 15:45.05 | wegstar | ... |
| 15:45.13 | BIYA | Studies have shown that monkeys can control a computer with electrodes implanted into their brain. |
| 15:45.15 | orange | BIYA, I think you misunderstand... and I'm no channel op or anything, it's just my opinion |
| 15:45.17 | TheRedBaron | try /msg wegstar "news" |
| 15:45.22 | orange | but 45 minutes of off-topic is not a little bit |
| 15:45.41 | orange | and I have a flag that shows me when there's new conversation here... usually I can check it from time to time and keep up on bzstuff |
| 15:45.43 | BIYA | There isnt any other talk |
| 15:46.04 | TheRedBaron | biya... and? |
| 15:46.20 | BIYA | We cant talk about stuff that is neat of is funny? |
| 15:46.22 | orange | silence is golden... that's why the channels are specific to topics |
| 15:46.31 | orange | again, my opinion |
| 15:46.33 | TheRedBaron | when someone does come in with something about BZ, are you going to stop your conversation? |
| 15:46.35 | spldart | 45 minutes? |
| 15:46.59 | BIYA | yes your opion.... but okay ill stop.. need to get my server to work anyway |
| 15:47.07 | BIYA | its been like 10min.. |
| 15:47.25 | spldart | I haven't been here 45 minutes.... was this going on before I got here? |
| 15:47.36 | TheRedBaron | do you have "timestam'" turned on? |
| 15:47.43 | BIYA | about 5 min before you came on |
| 15:48.00 | spldart | and I've been here 30 min utes |
| 15:48.17 | spldart | anywho |
| 15:48.25 | BIYA | i have been here for 10:47 |
| 15:48.28 | spldart | bzflag bzflag bzflag ;) |
| 15:49.14 | BIYA | But I have to say that the "Portable Digital Video Player" that can fit in yout pocket is pretty neat |
| 15:49.51 | orchid | the worry is that a bzflag related question or comment would get lost if interspersed with long off topic discussions |
| 15:49.52 | BIYA | Recently four people, two of them partly paralysed wheelchair users, were able to move a computer cursor while wearing a cap with 64 electrodes that pick up brain waves. |
| 15:50.02 | spldart | I haven't seen anyone use it yet but peeps must be... (the new teleporter link to the aerial combat area) |
| 15:50.12 | spldart | There is alot more flags being left up there now ;) |
| 15:50.49 | BIYA | Probably flags spawning up there |
| 15:50.56 | spldart | nope |
| 15:51.06 | spldart | the server has been running for a while now |
| 15:51.11 | spldart | I'm used to what normally get's up ther |
| 15:51.24 | spldart | the next day after the teleporter I got 4 times as many up there :eek: |
| 15:51.36 | BIYA | not good |
| 15:51.42 | spldart | pretty sure that's the teleporters fault |
| 15:51.46 | spldart | why not good? |
| 15:52.07 | BIYA | More flags up there means less flags down there. |
| 15:52.08 | spldart | will make for some psycho L, GM, etc battles |
| 15:52.14 | BIYA | Happens to me in my server.... |
| 15:52.28 | spldart | But the inverse of that is it's easy to go up there and grab a flag |
| 15:52.39 | BIYA | yeah |
| 15:52.54 | BIYA | but not as easy as finding one on the ground |
| 15:53.12 | Thumper_ | why not just set _maxFlagGrabs 1 so flags respawn when dropped? |
| 15:53.20 | spldart | Then I'll consider it another challenge for the players to overcome ;) |
| 15:53.57 | spldart | I might do that... But I'm not sure I don't like this map behaviour yet ;) |
| 15:54.45 | BIYA | Does anyone know how to stretch textures? |
| 15:55.39 | BIYA | anyone? |
| 15:56.32 | spldart | not exactly :( |
| 15:56.34 | BIYA | guess not |
| 15:56.46 | spldart | I turned my fire into a grass fire by toying with the variables :) |
| 15:56.54 | BIYA | :(.. nothing in the man pages says how to alter textures |
| 15:56.57 | spldart | smeared it all over the ground |
| 15:57.08 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501 isn't here... he could best answer the question. |
| 15:57.37 | BIYA | of course.. have to wait for the guy that hates me :) |
| 15:57.52 | BIYA | Do you have that texture spldart? |
| 15:58.01 | spldart | fire? |
| 15:58.05 | BIYA | yes |
| 15:58.10 | spldart | LandShark posted it on bzbb |
| 15:58.25 | BIYA | http://hosted.rangfar.com/bzflagworld/forum/viewtopic.php?t=171 |
| 16:00.17 | BIYA | Wait I think I understand it |
| 16:01.10 | spldart | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3185 |
| 16:01.16 | BIYA | I got it!!! :) |
| 16:04.05 | spldart | Now smear it all over you sun :D |
| 16:04.55 | BIYA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.55 | BIYA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.55 | BIYA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.55 | BIYA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.55 | BIYA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.30 | BIYA | blah.bzw: error: could not find bzflag world file |
| 16:10.30 | BIYA | blah.bzw: error: unexpected EOF |
| 16:10.30 | BIYA | blah.bzw: error: world file failed to load. |
| 16:10.30 | BIYA | ERROR: A world was not specified |
| 16:10.30 | BIYA | C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0> |
| 16:10.37 | BIYA | hmmm |
| 16:11.18 | wegstar | use pastebin :P |
| 16:11.26 | blast007 | that group def_firebase is supposed to be like that...not on a meshbox |
| 16:11.46 | blast007 | it's probably a mesh |
| 16:13.44 | BIYA | I nkow why it did that blast cause I saved it as .txt not .bzw |
| 16:14.44 | blast007 | ah, that can do it ;) |
| 16:15.27 | BIYA | now..... it says bzfs is not a valid WIN32 aplication |
| 16:15.51 | orchid | who was writing a bzw.vim hilighter? |
| 16:15.52 | blast007 | but I wasn't referring to the error, I was talking about the group thing |
| 16:16.02 | BIYA | I know |
| 16:16.12 | orchid | jpa-: was that you? |
| 16:18.20 | BIYA | Is not a Valid Wiun32 Application |
| 16:18.25 | BIYA | errr |
| 16:18.38 | BIYA | not again... some thing happen to me in 1.10.8 |
| 16:18.44 | BIYA | never went away |
| 16:19.09 | BIYA | untill I downloaded 2.0.0 then it started to work again |
| 16:19.23 | blast007 | try running just bzfs.exe without any extra paramaters |
| 16:19.37 | blast007 | if that doesn't work, reinstall it |
| 16:19.56 | BIYA | same thing |
| 16:20.03 | BIYA | just bzfs? |
| 16:20.14 | blast007 | well, you can't _just_ install bzfs ;) |
| 16:20.16 | BIYA | i mean reinstall just bzfs? |
| 16:20.25 | BIYA | lol |
| 16:20.43 | BIYA | thought you could but... okay.. ill get 2.0.2 now |
| 16:21.06 | jpa- | orchid: what was i? |
| 16:21.17 | blast007 | if you install over the old copy (using the same version), I don't think it will overwrite/delete any of the other files in there...but it might be a good idea to back them up ;) |
| 16:21.31 | jpa- | orchid: oh, nope, i wrote a kate higlighter that doesn't work very well :) |
| 16:23.01 | orange | jpa-: did you ever make that livecd for sportchick? |
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| 16:23.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:23.57 | BIYA | jeff is here :) |
| 16:24.33 | wegstar_ | hiya Jeffm2501 |
| 16:24.47 | jpa- | orange: umm, no :/ |
| 16:24.48 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 16:24.56 | JeffM2501 | no I'm not |
| 16:25.05 | jpa- | ah better stop talking, jeff is here ,) |
| 16:25.36 | JeffM2501 | no I'm not |
| 16:25.49 | jpa- | yes you are |
| 16:26.00 | BIYA | I dont hink he is jpa |
| 16:26.05 | JeffM2501 | naw, this is just a ghost |
| 16:26.12 | jpa- | ah :) |
| 16:26.16 | jpa- | so you finally died? :) |
| 16:26.27 | JeffM2501 | was I ever alive? |
| 16:26.32 | BIYA | Wooohoooo |
| 16:26.46 | BIYA | naa j/k |
| 16:26.56 | jpa- | hey, he didn't complain about me being evil! |
| 16:27.07 | jpa- | he is not the real jeff :) |
| 16:27.38 | wegstar_ | of course ;) |
| 16:28.06 | BIYA | maybe I shoiuld test his patience an see if he really is jeff |
| 16:28.18 | wegstar_ | that would be dangerous ... |
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| 16:28.34 | wegstar_ | hmm |
| 16:28.55 | jpa- | hmm.. if jeff isn't the real one, can tim be real either? |
| 16:28.59 | wegstar_ | hehe |
| 16:29.01 | BIYA | Jeff is there a way to stretch a texture on an object? |
| 16:29.21 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:30.07 | JeffM2501 | matrix |
| 16:30.15 | BIYA | Is there a way to make it lay horizantal? instead of vertical? and stretch it |
| 16:30.19 | TheRedBaron | jpa-, you're working yourself into a confusion again. |
| 16:30.21 | JeffM2501 | matrix |
| 16:30.27 | BIYA | hmmm |
| 16:30.29 | jpa- | TheRedBaron: how so? |
| 16:30.41 | JeffM2501 | scale the matrix |
| 16:30.41 | BIYA | back to the man pages |
| 16:30.44 | JeffM2501 | then rotate the matrix |
| 16:30.54 | JeffM2501 | then apply the matrix |
| 16:31.02 | JeffM2501 | but watch out for agents |
| 16:31.02 | jpa- | then take the blue pill |
| 16:31.23 | BIYA | the red one sounds good |
| 16:31.34 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes. |
| 16:31.38 | JeffM2501 | it would scare him |
| 16:31.54 | jpa- | take the blue, the red one has raw meat in it |
| 16:32.06 | BIYA | okay blue it is |
| 16:32.23 | spldart | Take both and have a party ;) |
| 16:32.49 | TheRedBaron | its not the rabbit hole that scares me... I"m afraid of meeting alice, thats what |
| 16:32.57 | wegstar | :) |
| 16:33.09 | BIYA | that cat scares me |
| 16:33.15 | JeffM2501 | alice is friggin Hawt!!!!! |
| 16:33.19 | wegstar | The queen does.. |
| 16:33.21 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 16:34.19 | BIYA | Complain to me about be off topic nw we are talking about old movies with hawt characters |
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| 16:35.22 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 16:35.59 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (~foo@wegstar.user.allegro) |
| 16:35.59 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501, we had BBC in here for a while... |
| 16:36.11 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 16:36.46 | wegstar | :) |
| 16:36.53 | BIYA | I was looking at the BBC News articles today and decided to show them to the irc..... |
| 16:37.22 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 16:37.40 | wegstar | just some interesting articles... |
| 16:37.51 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 16:39.00 | BIYA | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4396387.stm |
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| 16:39.30 | JeffM2501 | I didn't ask what |
| 16:39.32 | JeffM2501 | I asked why |
| 16:40.05 | BIYA | Cause they were neat |
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| 16:56.28 | ToughShooter | I've got a problem with BZFlag: It freezes after watching playing for hours |
| 16:56.41 | ToughShooter | 2.0.2 Mac -SDL |
| 16:57.02 | menotume | try to limit it to less than an hour |
| 16:57.21 | menotume | more than that is bad for you :) |
| 16:57.29 | ToughShooter | It freezes after re-running BZFlag shortly |
| 16:57.31 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 16:57.39 | orchid | salut menotume |
| 16:57.41 | Tupone | ciao |
| 16:57.44 | ToughShooter | Running 2.0 fixes it |
| 16:57.45 | menotume | cioa |
| 16:58.06 | BIYA | ciao |
| 16:58.10 | orchid | nano-nano JeffM2501 |
| 16:58.20 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 16:58.54 | BIYA | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.55 | BIYA | Home Plan |
| 16:58.55 | BIYA | Upfront Purchase $599.98 Waived $59.99 |
| 16:59.04 | BIYA | way to much |
| 16:59.44 | ToughShooter | ~BIYA-- |
| 17:01.13 | BIYA | yes? |
| 17:02.47 | wegstar | ~karma BIYA |
| 17:02.47 | ibot | biya has karma of -1 |
| 17:03.18 | BIYA | errr.. You just have to keep doing that dont you? |
| 17:03.27 | wegstar | :) |
| 17:03.37 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 17:03.49 | RedBaron2 | mine used to be -5.. |
| 17:03.54 | BIYA | Hey I dont care if people dont like me here.... |
| 17:03.59 | ToughShooter | Is there a change between 2.0 STABLE and 2.0.2 STABLE that could have caused this bug? |
| 17:04.03 | RedBaron2 | ~karma redbaron2 |
| 17:04.03 | ibot | redbaron2 has neutral karma |
| 17:04.17 | BIYA | yesterday it said BIYA ahs neutral Karma |
| 17:04.20 | TheRedBaron | biya, good, then you'll survive here longer. |
| 17:04.20 | ToughShooter | It works normal but after joining it freezes |
| 17:04.22 | BIYA | yeah like that |
| 17:05.14 | BIYA | ~Karma wegstar |
| 17:05.14 | ibot | wegstar has karma of 7 |
| 17:05.34 | BIYA | ~Karma Jeff2501 |
| 17:05.34 | ibot | jeff2501 has karma of 2 |
| 17:05.54 | BIYA | this is interesting |
| 17:06.22 | TheRedBaron | ~karma Patlabor221 |
| 17:06.22 | ibot | patlabor221 has karma of 238 |
| 17:06.25 | BIYA | why? No ones answering you? |
| 17:06.32 | TheRedBaron | biya, there you go. |
| 17:06.33 | spldart | ~karma spldart |
| 17:06.33 | ibot | spldart has neutral karma |
| 17:06.35 | BIYA | great googalymoogaly |
| 17:06.55 | spldart | SANFORD AND SON!!! |
| 17:07.01 | BIYA | ? |
| 17:07.16 | ToughShooter | because I'm having problems and you make it being likely not to be seen |
| 17:07.29 | BIYA | sorry |
| 17:07.42 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@pD9ED19FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:08.01 | spldart | googalymoogaly... Fred's friend Greddy said that all the time |
| 17:08.38 | ToughShooter | menotume: I can't resist letting BZFlag run more than 5 hours a day |
| 17:09.02 | menotume | :) |
| 17:09.34 | menotume | so, 2.0.2 gets in a state where it always locks up, and running 2.0.0 fixes that state ? |
| 17:09.35 | BIYA | I've got a problem with BZFlag: It freezes after watching playing for hours. 2.0.2 Mac -SDL. It freezes after re-running BZFlag shortly. Running 2.0 fixes it. Is there a change between 2.0 STABLE and 2.0.2 STABLE that could have caused this bug? It works normal but after joining it freezes. ToughShooter said this.... |
| 17:09.43 | BIYA | there you go toughshooter |
| 17:09.56 | ToughShooter | menotume: yes |
| 17:10.18 | ToughShooter | sounds like a too small array or something like that |
| 17:10.28 | TheRedBaron | Toughshooter: do you have 2.0.2 installed along with 2.0.0? |
| 17:11.23 | TheRedBaron | I'm guessing so... but assuming things has gotten in me alot of trouble... so i err on safety and ask the obvious. |
| 17:11.27 | ToughShooter | I am running 2.0.2 (it happened in CVS after 2.0 was out, too). |
| 17:11.28 | menotume | could be something in the config file |
| 17:11.39 | ToughShooter | tried a diff, result was nothing |
| 17:12.15 | ToughShooter | So after it froze I redownloaded 2.0 and ran it from within the image |
| 17:15.57 | TheRedBaron | toughshooter, so 2.0.2 locks up... you run 2.0.0 for a little while, then start 2.0.2 and it runs fine for a while without locking up? |
| 17:16.22 | ToughShooter | Just to make it clear: It was diff -r |
| 17:16.38 | ToughShooter | TheRedBaron: Yes. |
| 17:16.52 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5154 |
| 17:17.00 | spldart | Alls quiet :( |
| 17:17.12 | spldart | or is that :) |
| 17:17.12 | spldart | heh |
| 17:18.20 | BIYA | ~bzfquery DTRemenak.bakadigital.com:6001 |
| 17:18.54 | menotume | ToughShooter: seems the gurus are taking a nap - maybe try again later |
| 17:19.14 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: Ping |
| 17:19.17 | BIYA | If only you can make the irc make noises |
| 17:19.33 | ToughShooter | menotume: I learned to have a bit patience :) |
| 17:19.39 | BIYA | {s got mail |
| 17:19.40 | menotume | :) |
| 17:19.51 | BIYA | aw worked in the chatrooms when I was little |
| 17:19.56 | TheRedBaron | toughshooter: that will help you get along in life. |
| 17:20.35 | menotume | BIYA: you can, and many do. That's why they don't like too much general chit-chat here. Some have their irc setup to beep on messages. |
| 17:20.56 | BIYA | o |
| 17:21.10 | TheRedBaron | if you have what they constitute a "real client" |
| 17:21.25 | BIYA | me? |
| 17:26.44 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.84.145.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 17:26.49 | BIYA | err |
| 17:28.26 | BIYA | omg thats funny |
| 17:28.44 | BIYA | I just changed my cleints background to a car picture |
| 17:33.27 | BIYA | Now time to beat Halo2 on legendary.... brb |
| 17:36.20 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@12-210-69-176.client.insightBB.com) |
| 17:36.54 | *** join/#bzflag uidzero (~uidzero@server.bsdhacker.org) |
| 17:36.58 | uidzero | Finally. |
| 17:37.13 | uidzero | ~bzfquery bzflag.bsdhacker.org |
| 17:37.31 | uidzero | ~bzfquery bzflag.bsdhacker.org |
| 17:37.37 | uidzero | Uhm |
| 17:37.37 | *** join/#bzflag SportyGal (sportygali@67-21-174-30.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 17:37.46 | uidzero | Oh well, I'm happy now. :) |
| 17:38.23 | BIYA | ~bzfquery DTRemenak.BakaDigital.com:6001 |
| 17:38.42 | BIYA | one person |
| 17:38.54 | BIYA | hmm.. usually there are like 15 |
| 17:50.13 | spldart | I'm curious... I haven't seen JeffM on any public servers... Do you go by a Nom De Frag or have I just not caught you online. |
| 17:50.53 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:52.15 | ToughShooter | ibot, forget ToughShooter |
| 17:52.15 | ibot | i forgot toughshooter, ToughShooter |
| 17:56.02 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:59.51 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (~david@c15cfe70da4b8ea7.node.tor) |
| 18:05.56 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (~david@a09b952ad6021a03.node.tor) |
| 18:15.30 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@pD9563584.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:15.51 | *** join/#bzflag CIA-3 (~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx) |
| 18:44.08 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.86.81.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 18:45.22 | BIYA | ~bzfquery DTRemenak.bakadigital.com:60001 |
| 18:45.27 | BIYA | hmm |
| 18:45.37 | BIYA | oops |
| 18:45.40 | BIYA | ~bzfquery DTRemenak.bakadigital.com:6001 |
| 18:49.15 | *** join/#bzflag Thumper_ (~bernt@CPE000102d0fe24-CM0012256ecbde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 18:50.09 | jpa- | hi thumpy |
| 18:54.36 | SportyGal | Thumper_: hiya |
| 18:54.45 | SportyGal | jpa-: good morning |
| 18:54.49 | Aribeth_away | SportyGal, hi |
| 18:54.57 | jpa- | SportyGal: it is evening |
| 18:54.58 | SportyGal | Aribeth_away: howdy |
| 18:55.59 | SportyGal | ~GMT |
| 18:56.00 | ibot | Generic Mapping Tools. URL: http://imina.soest.hawaii.edu/gmt/ |
| 18:56.12 | SportyGal | hrm...that's not it |
| 18:56.24 | jpa- | :P |
| 18:56.35 | jpa- | ~UGT |
| 18:56.36 | ibot | hmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. It states that it is always morning when person comes in, and it is always late when person leaves. Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant. |
| 18:56.40 | SportyGal | THAT's it |
| 18:56.48 | jpa- | you have a bad memory |
| 19:01.48 | BIYA | ~bzfquery DTRemenak.bakadigital.com:6001 |
| 19:02.54 | *** join/#bzflag Death-Barrel (~DeathBarr@adsl-70-240-102-172.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 19:03.35 | BIYA | umm guys... I doubt this is really a bug but EVERY time I got to my taskbar and right click on bzflag and select close it doesnt close... |
| 19:04.02 | BIYA | well it does but it always says this program is not responding. |
| 19:04.13 | BIYA | then I press end now |
| 19:05.33 | JeffM2501 | why don't you quit normaly from in game? |
| 19:08.26 | BIYA | I do.... just saying that it might be good to fix it. |
| 19:08.33 | BIYA | if fixable |
| 19:08.41 | wegstar | ... |
| 19:08.50 | JeffM2501 | if it's even duplicateable on anyone eles's system |
| 19:09.14 | BIYA | wegstar.. you using windows? |
| 19:09.24 | wegstar | yes |
| 19:09.31 | JeffM2501 | how are you even right clicking on it? |
| 19:09.37 | JeffM2501 | when you do that it brings it back up? |
| 19:09.39 | JeffM2501 | window mode? |
| 19:09.46 | JeffM2501 | task manager? |
| 19:09.46 | BIYA | open bzflag, minimize it, right click on it, and select close |
| 19:10.01 | JeffM2501 | as soon as I right click, it restores |
| 19:10.06 | BIYA | hold on... that works when I end the process |
| 19:10.06 | wegstar | same here.. |
| 19:10.10 | BIYA | see |
| 19:10.12 | wegstar | er.. |
| 19:10.21 | JeffM2501 | from the task manager? |
| 19:10.25 | BIYA | no |
| 19:10.30 | BIYA | from the taskbar |
| 19:10.51 | JeffM2501 | we can't click on the taskbar button |
| 19:10.54 | JeffM2501 | it restores for us |
| 19:11.00 | BIYA | ? |
| 19:11.01 | JeffM2501 | you may have "issues" |
| 19:11.07 | jpa- | uh, os? |
| 19:11.10 | JeffM2501 | as soon as I right click on the icon it restores |
| 19:11.20 | BIYA | Dont click on it |
| 19:11.25 | BIYA | Right click |
| 19:11.29 | BIYA | and select close |
| 19:11.38 | JeffM2501 | THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING |
| 19:11.43 | JeffM2501 | right click restores it |
| 19:11.50 | BIYA | it never has for me |
| 19:11.55 | JeffM2501 | it does for us |
| 19:11.59 | JeffM2501 | and that's what it's suposed to do |
| 19:12.06 | jpa- | it doesn't restore for me, but it closes fine |
| 19:12.12 | JeffM2501 | your system may have "issues" |
| 19:12.13 | jpa- | (kde, gentoo linux :) |
| 19:12.26 | JeffM2501 | just a bit ago you were croupting EXE files |
| 19:12.52 | BIYA | always gave me a choice of restore, close, move, size, and nVeiw options.... |
| 19:12.52 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACC92C64.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:12.52 | Aribeth | sounds like an OS issue |
| 19:12.52 | BIYA | brad!! |
| 19:12.55 | JeffM2501 | that it does |
| 19:12.57 | jpa- | ~dict croupting |
| 19:13.07 | JeffM2501 | someting is making your app not get the activate message |
| 19:13.16 | jpa- | uh |
| 19:13.27 | Aribeth | Windows = coruption |
| 19:13.28 | jpa- | JeffM2501: you are on windows too, yes? |
| 19:13.30 | JeffM2501 | also why it's not quiting on the close |
| 19:13.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:13.34 | brad2901 | hi biya |
| 19:13.36 | JeffM2501 | on this computer |
| 19:13.36 | jpa- | hm |
| 19:13.47 | jpa- | i would expect it to not restore |
| 19:13.55 | BIYA | wegstar... Did give you a choice to restore and what not when you right clicked on it? |
| 19:13.56 | JeffM2501 | it's the way we handle the messages |
| 19:13.59 | JeffM2501 | it's just what we do |
| 19:14.04 | jpa- | while, if jeff says it does, it does :) |
| 19:14.12 | wegstar | no... |
| 19:14.21 | BIYA | hmm |
| 19:14.22 | wegstar | the window just popped back up |
| 19:14.26 | JeffM2501 | keeps us from having to handle those messages |
| 19:14.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:14.35 | JeffM2501 | we reestablish full screen on the right click |
| 19:14.48 | JeffM2501 | are you running windowed mode biya? |
| 19:14.52 | BIYA | Try to do it in the mini version |
| 19:14.55 | BIYA | yeah |
| 19:15.00 | JeffM2501 | ok that is difrent |
| 19:15.06 | JeffM2501 | why did you not say that before |
| 19:15.18 | BIYA | I thought they worked the same |
| 19:15.24 | JeffM2501 | don't assume |
| 19:15.29 | JeffM2501 | you know what assume means right? |
| 19:15.31 | jpa- | 22:09:40 <@JeffM2501> window mode? |
| 19:15.34 | Thumper_ | hi jpa- |
| 19:15.45 | jpa- | hi evil thumper with a bad network connection |
| 19:15.55 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@pD9563584.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:16.05 | BIYA | ~dict assume |
| 19:16.12 | BIYA | I do now |
| 19:16.18 | JeffM2501 | makes an ass outa U and Me |
| 19:16.18 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 19:16.30 | JeffM2501 | in window mode I don't get a RMM |
| 19:16.36 | JeffM2501 | so I can't dupe your problem |
| 19:16.42 | JeffM2501 | we don't behave like a normal app |
| 19:16.58 | JeffM2501 | you on an SDL build or something? |
| 19:17.00 | BIYA | Wegstar.. try it in windowed mode. if you will please |
| 19:17.13 | BIYA | ? me? |
| 19:17.17 | JeffM2501 | yes you |
| 19:17.21 | JeffM2501 | the only one with the problem |
| 19:17.36 | BIYA | I dont even know what an SDL build is |
| 19:17.38 | JeffM2501 | you didn't edit the exe again did you? |
| 19:17.43 | BIYA | no |
| 19:17.45 | jpa- | x) |
| 19:18.58 | JeffM2501 | megaman is a super fighting robot |
| 19:19.12 | BIYA | let me try it with 2.0.2 and see if it works there |
| 19:19.39 | BIYA | woa |
| 19:19.47 | BIYA | what the.... now it works fine |
| 19:19.56 | JeffM2501 | huhh huhh |
| 19:20.23 | BIYA | nvm |
| 19:21.22 | jpa- | so jeff was correct whole time - your computer is just having some issues |
| 19:21.33 | BIYA | probably |
| 19:21.43 | BIYA | I have a "Low End" system |
| 19:21.54 | BIYA | so I could understan why |
| 19:22.32 | BIYA | I think it is because of my ram.. only 128mb |
| 19:22.39 | jpa- | uh |
| 19:22.47 | jpa- | that doesn't explain anything |
| 19:22.48 | BIYA | did I get that wrong? |
| 19:22.50 | JeffM2501 | that should not change a thing |
| 19:22.57 | BIYA | slow... computer |
| 19:22.59 | JeffM2501 | since it'll just hit VM |
| 19:22.59 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 19:22.59 | jpa- | it is all in the windows :) |
| 19:23.07 | JeffM2501 | tht just means things take more time |
| 19:23.10 | JeffM2501 | they don't crash |
| 19:23.16 | JeffM2501 | unless your impatient |
| 19:23.26 | BIYA | And im am an impatient person that |
| 19:23.31 | BIYA | see |
| 19:23.42 | JeffM2501 | just take a deep breath |
| 19:23.51 | JeffM2501 | then step back |
| 19:23.54 | BIYA | Its running fine now |
| 19:23.56 | JeffM2501 | then step forward |
| 19:24.02 | JeffM2501 | then step back again |
| 19:24.04 | BIYA | gooosfraba |
| 19:24.06 | JeffM2501 | now your doing a tango |
| 19:24.44 | orange | lol |
| 19:24.45 | spldart | BZ dance lessons :eek: |
| 19:25.05 | JeffM2501 | next week, lesson 2: Puting your left foot in, then your left foot out. |
| 19:25.06 | wegstar | BIYA: nope nothing happened |
| 19:25.23 | spldart | hah |
| 19:25.33 | BIYA | Jeff: I wandered if there could be an option to allow other programs to be clicked on without bz minimizing. |
| 19:25.42 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:25.44 | wegstar | ,,, |
| 19:25.47 | JeffM2501 | we go full screen |
| 19:25.49 | jpa- | uh? |
| 19:26.03 | JeffM2501 | gotta go 'unfullscreeen" in windows automagicly when you lose focus |
| 19:26.07 | jpa- | bzflag doesn't minimize when clicking other apps in windowed, does it? |
| 19:26.17 | JeffM2501 | it does |
| 19:26.20 | JeffM2501 | common code |
| 19:26.43 | jpa- | humm |
| 19:26.45 | jpa- | not for me |
| 19:26.46 | BIYA | I go full screen to.... But I have an option to keep a window on top.. like this irc for example. I want to talk and play at the same time with it minimizing |
| 19:26.55 | JeffM2501 | common windows platform code, not comon code for BZ |
| 19:26.56 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 19:27.02 | jpa- | ah |
| 19:27.05 | jpa- | use linux :) |
| 19:27.14 | JeffM2501 | BIYA, your playing a game, play the game, don't chat :) |
| 19:27.24 | JeffM2501 | I'll fix it in BzG3d |
| 19:27.26 | JeffM2501 | how's that |
| 19:27.28 | BIYA | I like to do more than one thing at a time |
| 19:27.36 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 19:27.36 | BIYA | ? do what? |
| 19:27.38 | JeffM2501 | how can you? |
| 19:27.42 | JeffM2501 | you only have 128 megs of ram |
| 19:27.43 | BIYA | easy |
| 19:27.50 | JeffM2501 | and a slow computer |
| 19:27.59 | wegstar | O_o |
| 19:28.07 | spldart | lol |
| 19:28.22 | BIYA | the bad parts on my comp is the ram and the harddrive. good cpu and good videocard |
| 19:28.30 | wegstar | ah.. |
| 19:28.37 | JeffM2501 | what CPU and card? |
| 19:28.53 | BIYA | gimme a sec cant remember the names... |
| 19:29.02 | JeffM2501 | then how do you know they are good? :) |
| 19:29.17 | BIYA | Cause I bought them and built my comp myself |
| 19:29.27 | *** join/#bzflag VIP340 (~VIP340@adsl-67-123-173-173.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 19:29.29 | JeffM2501 | then why didn't you put more ram in? |
| 19:29.29 | jpa- | hah :) |
| 19:29.32 | spldart | confused |
| 19:29.37 | BIYA | Didnt have the money |
| 19:29.39 | JeffM2501 | since ram is one of the most important things |
| 19:29.44 | JeffM2501 | even above CPU speed |
| 19:29.44 | jpa- | i bought my gfx myself, and built the computer too |
| 19:29.50 | spldart | When did you build this machine? |
| 19:29.54 | jpa- | and JeffM2501 still says tnt2 is not good :) |
| 19:29.55 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean you didn't buy crap :) |
| 19:29.57 | BIYA | september |
| 19:30.08 | VIP340 | O_o |
| 19:30.09 | JeffM2501 | ram is cheap |
| 19:30.16 | BIYA | It used to be an old cheap dell comp |
| 19:30.19 | JeffM2501 | 512megs of ddr is like 40$ |
| 19:30.21 | *** part/#bzflag VIP340 (~VIP340@adsl-67-123-173-173.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 19:30.28 | BIYA | Where@?@?@?@ |
| 19:30.32 | JeffM2501 | everywhere |
| 19:30.38 | JeffM2501 | what CPU do you have? |
| 19:30.40 | wegstar | what??? |
| 19:30.44 | JeffM2501 | P3? |
| 19:30.45 | BIYA | around here its like 80 too 100 |
| 19:30.50 | JeffM2501 | use the internet |
| 19:30.51 | BIYA | p4 |
| 19:30.55 | JeffM2501 | never by retail |
| 19:30.57 | JeffM2501 | what speed? |
| 19:30.58 | jpa- | JeffM2501: how fast ddr? |
| 19:31.05 | JeffM2501 | 2700 usualy |
| 19:31.12 | BIYA | 2.8 or 9 cant remember |
| 19:31.31 | JeffM2501 | i doubt it |
| 19:31.38 | spldart | Holy crap! |
| 19:31.44 | jpa- | 2700.. equals what in MHz? |
| 19:31.48 | spldart | Memory has gone down since the last time I shopped |
| 19:31.53 | JeffM2501 | umm core speed of 166 |
| 19:31.57 | JeffM2501 | DDRs up to 333 |
| 19:32.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:32.19 | JeffM2501 | biya what dell did it used to be? |
| 19:32.20 | spldart | I just shop newegg |
| 19:32.26 | BIYA | Found it.... errr 2.5GHZ |
| 19:32.39 | JeffM2501 | 2.50 or 2.53? |
| 19:32.42 | JeffM2501 | big diff |
| 19:32.45 | BIYA | Dell 4600 cheapest one they had |
| 19:32.50 | BIYA | 2.53 |
| 19:32.59 | JeffM2501 | so your on a 133 bus |
| 19:33.06 | BIYA | yes... |
| 19:33.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah ram shoudl be cheap as heck |
| 19:33.20 | JeffM2501 | DDR or rambus? |
| 19:33.28 | BIYA | but not sure though I overclocked |
| 19:33.31 | BIYA | DDR |
| 19:33.35 | JeffM2501 | or don't tell me... SDRAM? |
| 19:33.40 | BIYA | no |
| 19:33.45 | *** join/#bzflag escristian (~escristia@modemcable054.201-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 19:34.25 | JeffM2501 | 512 megs of PC2700 is like just over $30 |
| 19:34.32 | BIYA | ?!?! |
| 19:34.34 | wegstar | :) |
| 19:34.35 | BIYA | what site? |
| 19:34.41 | JeffM2501 | asuming your mobo can do HD ram |
| 19:34.49 | BIYA | umm |
| 19:34.58 | wegstar | look around |
| 19:35.00 | BIYA | do you need my mobo info? |
| 19:35.02 | JeffM2501 | if not you may get up to like 50$ |
| 19:35.04 | JeffM2501 | ram is cheap |
| 19:35.32 | JeffM2501 | what video card did you put in it? |
| 19:35.35 | JeffM2501 | a 5200? |
| 19:36.00 | BIYA | no |
| 19:36.08 | JeffM2501 | 4MX? |
| 19:36.10 | BIYA | umm maybe |
| 19:36.13 | BIYA | hold on |
| 19:36.20 | wegstar | bbl |
| 19:36.23 | JeffM2501 | just hit your ssytem profiler |
| 19:36.26 | BIYA | so many boxes.. cant find anything |
| 19:36.32 | BIYA | o |
| 19:36.33 | BIYA | k |
| 19:38.03 | *** part/#bzflag uidzero (~uidzero@server.bsdhacker.org) |
| 19:38.33 | BIYA | GeForce FZ 5200 |
| 19:38.37 | BIYA | FZ* |
| 19:38.41 | BIYA | FX* |
| 19:38.42 | JeffM2501 | FX |
| 19:38.45 | BIYA | yeah |
| 19:38.50 | JeffM2501 | PCI? |
| 19:38.54 | JeffM2501 | or agp? |
| 19:39.06 | BIYA | PCI |
| 19:39.09 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:39.11 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
| 19:39.30 | trepan | BIYA: did you even try that map snippet that i posted on bzbb ? |
| 19:39.33 | JeffM2501 | the system should have had an AGP slot |
| 19:40.03 | BIYA | Trepan I couldnt I killed my bzfs.exe..... So I could test the map. |
| 19:40.05 | BIYA | it did |
| 19:40.36 | BIYA | Ill look at it trepan |
| 19:41.00 | JeffM2501 | why would you gimp the video card like that then by puting in a PCI? |
| 19:41.14 | trepan | BIYA: you should probably look at it before commenting next time |
| 19:41.31 | BIYA | okay.. I will next time trepan |
| 19:41.34 | BIYA | what jeff? |
| 19:41.44 | JeffM2501 | PCI < AGP |
| 19:41.47 | JeffM2501 | by a lot |
| 19:41.47 | trepan | BIYA: no you won't, you seem incapable of learning |
| 19:42.22 | BIYA | im confused......... |
| 19:42.36 | JeffM2501 | generaly, yes |
| 19:42.38 | jpa- | JeffM2501: ISA > AGP |
| 19:42.51 | JeffM2501 | only in your dreams man :) |
| 19:42.58 | JeffM2501 | and VLB was the shizznit! |
| 19:43.02 | jpa- | atleast compared by length :) |
| 19:43.30 | JeffM2501 | PCI express 16x has a dececnty long card interface |
| 19:43.50 | jpa- | 1x is short :) |
| 19:44.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah like spooky short |
| 19:44.05 | jpa- | PCI express 1x < PCMCIA |
| 19:44.11 | JeffM2501 | the mobo I am looking at has one |
| 19:44.15 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda scary |
| 19:44.19 | jpa- | yeah |
| 19:44.36 | JeffM2501 | what kinda stuff goes in there? |
| 19:44.37 | jpa- | it looks more like some feature-connector |
| 19:44.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah like those little modem risers |
| 19:44.56 | JeffM2501 | on cheap durron boards |
| 19:44.58 | jpa- | i'd plug a usb port in there, not a NIC or vga card |
| 19:45.07 | JeffM2501 | ibot logs |
| 19:45.09 | ibot | methinks logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 19:45.11 | BIYA | CIA Computer Intelligent Accelerator. MIB Memory Intellegent Booster |
| 19:46.28 | BIYA | Where would my mobo be uner? System Devices |
| 19:46.56 | jpa- | gnight people <3 |
| 19:47.24 | brad2901 | night jpa- |
| 19:47.29 | BIYA | night |
| 19:48.33 | Birdie | good night |
| 19:55.27 | retro | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 19:55.32 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #bzflag (1d 12h 48m 37s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 1d 1h 30m 50s |
| 19:58.41 | spldart | woah... Logs are cool |
| 20:01.31 | *** join/#bzflag TheDarkSamurai (~3eff4008@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:01.47 | TheDarkSamurai | morning all |
| 20:02.35 | spldart | morning |
| 20:02.50 | TheDarkSamurai | D? |
| 20:02.55 | TheDarkSamurai | you there? |
| 20:03.31 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACC92C64.ipt.aol.com) |
| 20:03.48 | TheDarkSamurai | hey brad |
| 20:05.51 | brad2901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.45 | BIYA | TDS heh sounds like a disease |
| 20:08.00 | spldart | Dude |
| 20:08.14 | spldart | I was thinking of that for a while but wasn't goin to say anything |
| 20:08.59 | BIYA | dont be afraid..... :) |
| 20:09.16 | spldart | heh |
| 20:09.20 | BIYA | I didnt mean nothing by it anyway just thought it was cool |
| 20:09.22 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 20:12.18 | BIYA | wait lol.. my Videocard is AGP |
| 20:14.42 | spldart | how can you not have this in your own memory :-p |
| 20:14.57 | spldart | I can list most of the stats in every machine I've had for the last 6 years |
| 20:14.59 | BIYA | could'nt remember..... |
| 20:15.30 | spldart | upgrade your brain memory ;) |
| 20:15.37 | BIYA | lol |
| 20:16.06 | *** part/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.86.81.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 20:16.31 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.86.81.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 20:16.35 | BIYA | ops |
| 20:20.04 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (~admin@ACD4B9BC.ipt.aol.com) |
| 20:26.49 | cosmos | egads, another secretplace will hack your server report filed |
| 20:35.02 | orange | I think it's time for war :-) |
| 20:37.24 | spldart | secret place seems to attract all the most likable tipes |
| 20:37.27 | spldart | types |
| 20:37.52 | orange | it's a pathetic attempt to divide the community from within |
| 20:38.07 | spldart | But who would want to divide it? |
| 20:38.17 | trepan | the separatists |
| 20:38.33 | orange | the same idiots who threaten to hack, join with racist callsigns, spam and spew, send sexist /report's |
| 20:38.35 | spldart | You make it sound.. sinister |
| 20:38.40 | orange | join the game to disrupt, etc. |
| 20:38.47 | orange | in other words, bored children with no life |
| 20:38.53 | spldart | heh |
| 20:39.18 | spldart | In my internet career I've had 3 lawsuit threats and 2 death threats. heh |
| 20:41.32 | Thumper_ | SportyGal: hi (sorry missed your initial greeting hours ago...) |
| 20:41.44 | SportyGal | Thumper_: hehe, no problem |
| 20:46.59 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 21:01.52 | orchid | menotume: poke |
| 21:03.42 | Aribeth | hi orchid |
| 21:03.51 | orchid | hello Aribeth :) |
| 21:04.05 | Aribeth | how is the monitor? |
| 21:04.46 | orchid | heh its great |
| 21:04.50 | orchid | big! |
| 21:04.56 | Aribeth | it is |
| 21:05.17 | orchid | but I'm used to it now, and turned the brighness down somewhat |
| 21:07.11 | Aribeth | i had to turn the brightness down too |
| 21:12.07 | orchid | hmm, what is the address for the proxs match server? |
| 21:12.19 | orchid | ~proxs |
| 21:12.37 | orchid | ~literal proxs |
| 21:12.38 | ibot | "proxs" is "<reply> see bzfquery proxs.bzflag.org:7000" |
| 21:12.52 | *** join/#bzflag EJ_Skywalker (~45dc9db5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:17.38 | orange | orchid, try 7001 |
| 21:18.18 | orchid | ty orange |
| 21:18.29 | orange | you're welcome |
| 21:20.29 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:20.52 | CBG | Found another bug |
| 21:21.13 | CBG | but I think it might oinly be on tuxee 3x3 rabbit hunt... |
| 21:21.16 | CBG | *only |
| 21:22.02 | CBG | I got stuck INSIDE a building... and it still said "ready" and I could still shoot into an open space ahead of me... |
| 21:22.52 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (~DeathBarr@adsl-70-240-102-172.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 21:23.28 | CBG | JeffM2501... any other devs... |
| 21:29.00 | *** join/#bzflag newbie__dont (~janko@dku135.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 21:29.00 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (~frank@p54819CD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 21:30.53 | JeffM2501 | CBG, was the object a mesh object? |
| 21:31.06 | CBG | how do you tell? |
| 21:31.20 | JeffM2501 | was it a box or a pyamid? :) |
| 21:31.54 | CBG | box. |
| 21:32.10 | CBG | have you been to tuxee 3x3 lately? |
| 21:32.42 | CBG | It was the big box that has tunnels under and pyramids ontop, but you can go through some of the pyramids into open spaces inside the building... |
| 21:33.10 | CBG | I had Narrow, went through a pyramid into a space and went through the wall into the inside of the building/box... |
| 21:33.14 | CBG | where I was stuck |
| 21:33.21 | CBG | but it still said "ready" |
| 21:33.42 | CBG | and I could still shoot into another of the open spaces you can go into,... |
| 21:33.43 | ruskie | <-- notices he get's stuck many times in 2.x lately |
| 21:34.09 | ruskie | I drop down from a height and I get stuck in the edge between wall and ground |
| 21:34.19 | ruskie | now sometimes I can move about sometimes I can't |
| 21:36.44 | CBG | If ya'll are silently wishing I would stop telling you bout these bugs, say so... :P |
| 21:39.13 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 21:39.17 | JeffM2501 | coulda still been a mesh |
| 21:39.34 | JeffM2501 | if a mesh dosn't have inside and outside points that could happen |
| 21:39.41 | CBG | I have no idea what "A mesh" means... so i dunno. |
| 21:39.48 | JeffM2501 | it's a map object type |
| 21:39.51 | JeffM2501 | save the map |
| 21:39.53 | CBG | but, to see what I mean, go to the tuxee 3x3 server |
| 21:40.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm at work |
| 21:40.08 | CBG | ok... when your not... :P |
| 21:40.18 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:40.19 | JeffM2501 | just go save the map and send it to pastebin |
| 21:40.32 | JeffM2501 | or atach it to a SF bug report |
| 21:40.35 | CBG | ok |
| 21:40.38 | CBG | 2 mins |
| 21:41.20 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Lego|Desk@adsl-68-77-20-189.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 21:42.44 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (Chikanatsu@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 21:46.04 | CBG | its posting to pastebin now... |
| 21:47.42 | CBG | its taking it's time... |
| 21:49.36 | CBG | http://pastebin.ca/8560 |
| 21:50.47 | spldart | woah... I played spiralzone for a while and finished with a + number :eek: |
| 21:51.05 | CBG | :D good for you!! |
| 21:51.09 | spldart | hehehe |
| 21:51.27 | spldart | I usually get slaughtered on the BZ alter :( |
| 21:51.29 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (~frank@p54819CD0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:51.39 | JeffM2501 | there is an alter? |
| 21:52.13 | *** join/#bzflag newbie__dont (~janko@dku135.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 21:52.35 | spldart | Yeah... That one box people shoot GM off of so much ;) |
| 21:52.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:52.51 | JeffM2501 | that pastebin is timing out |
| 21:53.25 | CBG | Jeff... It took hours to save it there... |
| 21:53.34 | JeffM2501 | hours? |
| 21:53.47 | JeffM2501 | woudl that not involve time travel? :) |
| 21:54.12 | JeffM2501 | how big is the map file? |
| 21:54.24 | spldart | Only had one incident of shooting through a tank this time... He had 275 ms lag or so |
| 21:54.39 | spldart | Actually I got three shots through him and he finished his turned and shot me :( |
| 21:54.47 | CBG | Jeff: no idea. 1 sec |
| 21:54.58 | spldart | Biya had this problem |
| 21:55.05 | spldart | he tried to pastebin a 365K map to me |
| 21:55.06 | CBG | the FILE is 2.4MB... |
| 21:55.10 | spldart | and only 64k stuck |
| 21:55.26 | spldart | He ended up mailing it to me |
| 21:55.44 | CBG | you have gmail, jeff? |
| 21:56.08 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:56.17 | JeffM2501 | 64 isn't bad |
| 21:56.22 | CBG | anything that might take 2.4MB attachments? |
| 21:56.30 | JeffM2501 | oh it's a 2.4 meg map |
| 21:56.35 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:56.36 | CBG | .... i did say :P |
| 21:56.37 | cosmos | someone had a map the other day with a 265MB map |
| 21:56.37 | JeffM2501 | my mail |
| 21:56.49 | JeffM2501 | that' is gonna have some meshes in it :) |
| 21:56.49 | CBG | cosmos: who? |
| 21:56.56 | spldart | biya's map was 256 or 265 |
| 21:57.00 | spldart | oh wait |
| 21:57.03 | spldart | MEG |
| 21:57.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus he went to town on the polycount |
| 21:57.16 | CBG | Jeff, so whats your addy? |
| 21:57.18 | JeffM2501 | that map has to run like cuap |
| 21:57.30 | spldart | The map biya emailed me was 256K or so |
| 21:57.32 | JeffM2501 | jeffm2501@sbcglobal.net |
| 21:57.36 | spldart | i didn't see the meg |
| 21:57.46 | CBG | on its way |
| 21:57.53 | spldart | kinda cool with the planets and all |
| 21:58.11 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to say if the map is that big, then yeah it's got meshes in it :) |
| 21:58.12 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz_ (~c02b41f5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:58.20 | JeffM2501 | and somone probalby forgot inside/outside points |
| 21:58.32 | JeffM2501 | but I can see |
| 21:59.02 | CBG | its trying to send... |
| 21:59.07 | CBG | may take a few mins... |
| 21:59.14 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 22:00.21 | JeffM2501 | probably should have ziped it |
| 22:00.25 | JeffM2501 | they compress rather well |
| 22:00.37 | CBG | eh.. |
| 22:00.40 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.86.81.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 22:00.43 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz (~wiz@12-240-60-115.client.mchsi.com) |
| 22:00.53 | CBG | hi both |
| 22:01.35 | CBG | Your message has been sent. |
| 22:01.40 | CBG | says Gmail. :D |
| 22:02.15 | JeffM2501 | so gmail has writen. so it be done |
| 22:03.39 | CBG | how do I set my status to away? |
| 22:03.48 | CBG | or does that depend on my client? |
| 22:04.10 | JeffM2501 | it's client based |
| 22:04.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's meshes |
| 22:04.22 | CBG | ok. |
| 22:04.29 | JeffM2501 | they have inside/outside points, so good for them |
| 22:04.32 | CBG | and? whats that mean? |
| 22:04.35 | JeffM2501 | problby just need some more for that spop |
| 22:04.37 | JeffM2501 | spot |
| 22:04.41 | CBG | lol |
| 22:04.43 | CBG | stop. |
| 22:04.43 | JeffM2501 | basicly let the server owner know |
| 22:04.52 | JeffM2501 | and tell them to have the map maker look at the map |
| 22:04.54 | JeffM2501 | they can fix it up |
| 22:04.59 | BIYA | what map? |
| 22:05.01 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bug in the game |
| 22:05.05 | BIYA | what sever? |
| 22:05.06 | JeffM2501 | but a problem in the map |
| 22:05.07 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.10 | BIYA | server* |
| 22:05.10 | CBG | tuxee 3x3 |
| 22:05.15 | BIYA | o |
| 22:05.22 | BIYA | that would be FredCods |
| 22:05.26 | CBG | so Cods made it |
| 22:05.30 | CBG | yeah |
| 22:05.38 | JeffM2501 | let him know on bzbb |
| 22:05.44 | JeffM2501 | you can send him a PM |
| 22:05.51 | CBG | ok.. |
| 22:06.03 | JeffM2501 | it's a prety complex map |
| 22:07.40 | CBG | so, what do I say? |
| 22:08.49 | JeffM2501 | tell em that you had an oo problem on his map, where it was and what happend. |
| 22:09.17 | CBG | ok |
| 22:09.30 | cosmos | hey sportgal you sending your army against us today? ;) |
| 22:10.14 | CBG | done. |
| 22:10.29 | JeffM2501 | then you just get to wait and see if they fix it |
| 22:10.56 | CBG | kk. g2g |
| 22:11.00 | CBG | bye :D |
| 22:11.02 | JeffM2501 | hae fun |
| 22:14.23 | cosmos | now this is a classy personal ad http://losangeles.craigslist.org/cas/66346397.html |
| 22:15.03 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, please don't link stuff with that language here |
| 22:15.13 | JeffM2501 | I know it's funny but it may not be apropriate for those here. |
| 22:15.30 | cosmos | heh |
| 22:15.36 | JeffM2501 | there are kids here |
| 22:15.42 | JeffM2501 | and they WILL click anything |
| 22:15.44 | cosmos | need the #bzflagover21 |
| 22:15.58 | JeffM2501 | or a #bzflagkiddies |
| 22:16.16 | cosmos | thats actually a good test. put a big DO NOT CLICK this on the bzflag site |
| 22:16.23 | cosmos | and track who clicks through |
| 22:16.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:16.29 | spldart | Bye all. heading hom eearly hehe |
| 22:16.34 | *** part/#bzflag spldart (~james@adsl-70-240-232-206.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 22:16.45 | JeffM2501 | have it send em to a sobig infected file :) |
| 22:17.54 | Legoguy | i was wondering - aside from modifying the server itself, is there a way to send it commands without actually having bzadmin join it? I know that bzfquery.pl or whatever gets information but im not sure about having it give commands.. |
| 22:19.09 | JeffM2501 | the querys and the list server don't to a real login |
| 22:19.11 | JeffM2501 | so they don't send info |
| 22:19.23 | Legoguy | that's what I thought |
| 22:19.25 | JeffM2501 | they just connect and get the info packet that is sent out by the server |
| 22:19.31 | JeffM2501 | for a command you'd have to authenticate |
| 22:19.39 | JeffM2501 | and for that you'd have to do a "Full" connect |
| 22:20.02 | BIYA | ~bzfquery DTRemenak.Bakadigital.com:6001 |
| 22:20.10 | BIYA | wow |
| 22:22.50 | Legoguy | heh, i suppose it's also not possible to regenerate a random map while people are still joined :P |
| 22:22.57 | BIYA | ~dict concavity |
| 22:26.29 | cosmos | now congress is calling NFL for steroid hearings. they plan to enact federal law making professional sports govt controlled |
| 22:27.16 | Legoguy | :| |
| 22:27.55 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy, no the map is only sent at join, the proto dosnt' know how to send the map again ( unless someone changed something BIG ) |
| 22:28.20 | JeffM2501 | tho it would n't be that big of a mod to bump everyone to observer, resend the map, then reteam them |
| 22:29.03 | cosmos | they would love that |
| 22:29.17 | Legoguy | so it's more possible if they were all on observer to switch maps? |
| 22:29.17 | cosmos | i still get cursing threats when our map changes on a regular schedule |
| 22:29.36 | Legoguy | i suppose that would make sense tho, |
| 22:29.57 | Legoguy | because you don't have any tank positional data flying around if they're all observer :P |
| 22:31.48 | Legoguy | mbut it would definitley be a mod to both server and client |
| 22:32.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah it't be the same thing |
| 22:32.58 | JeffM2501 | client woudln't care how the map was made, just that it got a new one |
| 22:33.06 | Legoguy | yeh |
| 22:33.36 | *** join/#bzflag _BIYA_ (BIYA@dialup-4.129.87.185.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 22:33.50 | _BIYA_ | hmm |
| 22:34.23 | _BIYA_ | jeff kick BIYA |
| 22:34.42 | JeffM2501 | kicking just removes from the channel |
| 22:34.43 | JeffM2501 | not server |
| 22:34.50 | JeffM2501 | you would not be able to use the name |
| 22:34.54 | JeffM2501 | ether ghost it |
| 22:34.56 | _BIYA_ | Well im stuck there |
| 22:34.58 | JeffM2501 | or wait |
| 22:34.58 | _BIYA_ | :) |
| 22:35.01 | JeffM2501 | you register? |
| 22:35.03 | Legoguy | ghost him BIYA |
| 22:35.13 | _BIYA_ | ? |
| 22:35.20 | JeffM2501 | did you register the nick? |
| 22:35.23 | JeffM2501 | with nickserv? |
| 22:35.39 | _BIYA_ | Someone said that the last time BIYA logged on was like 23 days ago |
| 22:35.58 | JeffM2501 | so I'll take it that you didn't register the name> |
| 22:35.58 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 22:36.07 | _BIYA_ | I take that I used to |
| 22:36.09 | JeffM2501 | and that you have little clue of what I speak |
| 22:36.16 | _BIYA_ | little |
| 22:36.18 | JeffM2501 | seen dosn't mean anyything |
| 22:36.22 | Legoguy | *snicker* |
| 22:36.24 | JeffM2501 | if your not reged |
| 22:36.33 | JeffM2501 | then you just have to wait it out |
| 22:36.44 | _BIYA_ | How do I register? |
| 22:36.57 | Legoguy | can't reg BIYA until it pings out |
| 22:37.03 | _BIYA_ | o |
| 22:37.10 | Legoguy | you can register _BIYA_, but not BIYA |
| 22:37.11 | _BIYA_ | My ISP sucks |
| 22:37.11 | JeffM2501 | you just have to wait it out |
| 22:37.49 | _BIYA_ | Well I got stuff to do while I wait anyway |
| 22:37.51 | JeffM2501 | you need a tightbeam laser connection |
| 22:38.09 | Legoguy | lo |
| 22:38.11 | Legoguy | l |
| 22:38.20 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 22:38.22 | Aribeth | ROFLOL |
| 22:39.51 | Legoguy | iono. Seems to me that LOL is really just *grin*, ROFL is a little chuckle, ROFLOL is maybe truly LOL. |
| 22:39.51 | _BIYA_ | Your more comfortable behind a monitor than in person? |
| 22:40.09 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
| 22:40.19 | JeffM2501 | ohh it's probalby that I can see what I say before I say it |
| 22:40.23 | JeffM2501 | and fix stuff that could be bad |
| 22:40.25 | _BIYA_ | you got a point legoguy |
| 22:40.31 | _BIYA_ | lol |
| 22:40.39 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy, there is a degredation level or 2 |
| 22:40.49 | JeffM2501 | what does "heh" mean tho? |
| 22:40.57 | Legoguy | and ROFLOLOMGWTFBBQ is just *laugh, look at me im all cool with my superlong acronym* |
| 22:41.34 | Legoguy | heh is more like "i'm not amused" |
| 22:42.05 | JeffM2501 | dead silence is probalby the best, cus then they are REALY on the floor |
| 22:42.11 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's an inverted scale |
| 22:42.12 | Aribeth | to me heh is slightly amused |
| 22:42.14 | Legoguy | or doing something else. |
| 22:42.25 | JeffM2501 | they could be also running and screaming |
| 22:42.42 | Legoguy | or "afk tornado" |
| 22:42.54 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:42.58 | JeffM2501 | see that was amusing |
| 22:43.23 | Legoguy | heh. yeah, i guess heh has two meanings. |
| 22:43.40 | Legoguy | either "i'm not amused" or "thats slightly amusing" |
| 22:44.00 | Legoguy | :| is "thats just plain strange or dumb" |
| 22:44.18 | _BIYA_ | What about "hehe"? |
| 22:44.31 | JeffM2501 | I thought "meh" was the strange or dumb |
| 22:44.57 | Legoguy | meh is "whatever" :P |
| 22:45.02 | JeffM2501 | hehe is heh, where you forget to stop |
| 22:45.12 | _BIYA_ | lol |
| 22:45.17 | JeffM2501 | or if you have "inadiquacy" issues |
| 22:45.23 | Legoguy | "j/k" is "i'm not really joking but it would probably be best if you thought I was" |
| 22:45.40 | JeffM2501 | j/k means "I am realy mean, but this will make you feel better" |
| 22:45.41 | Aribeth | to me hehe is a short laugh |
| 22:45.46 | greg-a | Legoguy: hahaha yes |
| 22:45.55 | _BIYA_ | or a giggle to me |
| 22:46.05 | JeffM2501 | j/k == !j/k |
| 22:46.28 | Legoguy | basically |
| 22:46.29 | blast007 | _BIYA_: I was just looking at my logs....the username 'BIYA' was last used (by the owner) 22 _weeks_ ago, not 23 days |
| 22:46.34 | JeffM2501 | :) often means the real j/k |
| 22:46.39 | _BIYA_ | Yes blast I know |
| 22:46.46 | _BIYA_ | o |
| 22:46.48 | _BIYA_ | 23 weeks |
| 22:46.51 | _BIYA_ | wow |
| 22:46.51 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz_ (~c02b41f5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:46.53 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
| 22:46.58 | JeffM2501 | see |
| 22:47.02 | Legoguy | or ;) |
| 22:47.06 | bzflagwiz_ | hehe is kind of an evil chuckle |
| 22:47.08 | JeffM2501 | example in use right there ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:47.13 | _BIYA_ | That was the last time I was here before 2.0.0 came out |
| 22:47.22 | JeffM2501 | WTF is probalby the only honest one |
| 22:47.31 | JeffM2501 | it is what it means |
| 22:47.35 | Legoguy | or it could be a slight indication of sarcasm, or "see, what did i tell you" |
| 22:47.37 | bzflagwiz_ | hehehe is and evil chuckle whilst doing a superiority dance |
| 22:47.37 | _BIYA_ | You yelled at me for saying that to |
| 22:47.50 | Aribeth | lol |
| 22:47.50 | Legoguy | ;) that is |
| 22:47.57 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (~foo@wegstar.user.allegro) |
| 22:48.05 | JeffM2501 | who yelled at you? |
| 22:48.18 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (~spldart@cpe-67-10-210-195.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 22:48.26 | _BIYA_ | you didnt "yell" at me but you talked to me about it |
| 22:48.28 | wegstar | ? |
| 22:48.29 | wegstar | hi spldart |
| 22:48.34 | _BIYA_ | hey spldart |
| 22:48.35 | JeffM2501 | you didn't say WTF |
| 22:48.35 | Legoguy | what have i started... heh |
| 22:48.39 | _BIYA_ | I did |
| 22:48.46 | _BIYA_ | what did I say? |
| 22:48.50 | JeffM2501 | no you told us all to go fonicated |
| 22:48.51 | spldart | Biya |
| 22:48.55 | _BIYA_ | WEESERgwe |
| 22:48.56 | _BIYA_ | gh |
| 22:48.58 | spldart | give me an email and I'll send you that map |
| 22:49.01 | _BIYA_ | No I did not |
| 22:49.10 | spldart | Hiya wegstar |
| 22:49.11 | _BIYA_ | TheLeafTalker@gmail.com |
| 22:49.17 | spldart | okies |
| 22:49.19 | bzflagwiz_ | fonicated - does that mean sign up for Vonage? |
| 22:49.24 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:49.26 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 22:49.32 | JeffM2501 | and I don't like voip |
| 22:49.32 | bzflagwiz_ | :) |
| 22:49.37 | JeffM2501 | so that's an insult |
| 22:49.52 | _BIYA_ | I never said that anyway |
| 22:49.55 | Legoguy | lol. |
| 22:50.10 | JeffM2501 | we have the logs |
| 22:50.15 | _BIYA_ | show me |
| 22:50.17 | spldart | Or should I send it to the email I got it from biya? |
| 22:50.25 | JeffM2501 | you can't just go slinging vontage insults around |
| 22:50.25 | _BIYA_ | ? |
| 22:50.30 | Legoguy | oh come on folks I didn't mean to start an argument :P |
| 22:50.37 | _BIYA_ | What is vontage? |
| 22:50.42 | _BIYA_ | finally |
| 22:50.44 | spldart | You sent me the map last night |
| 22:50.57 | _BIYA_ | yes that email should be the same |
| 22:51.09 | spldart | okies |
| 22:51.26 | BIYA | This nick is owned by someone else |
| 22:51.40 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 22:51.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 22:51.50 | JeffM2501 | that sucked |
| 22:52.01 | BIYA | the /msg thing dont work |
| 22:52.01 | BIYA | blast knows |
| 22:52.16 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 22:52.24 | JeffM2501 | I pasted the entire log by accedent |
| 22:52.29 | bzflagwiz_ | Incoming VOIP call knock you off JeffM2501? :) |
| 22:52.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:53.45 | bzflagwiz_ | Now I'm confused - did that "heh" mean "not amused" or "mildly amused" or a short chuckle? |
| 22:53.46 | spldart | Map is heading your way in an attachment biya ;) |
| 22:53.54 | BIYA | k |
| 22:54.17 | spldart | BRB gotta balance the checkbook |
| 22:54.42 | Aribeth | heh |
| 23:01.31 | spldart | balanced... Gotta love those positive numbers. In bank accounts and BZFlag ;) |
| 23:01.50 | JeffM2501 | best is when it's done over the internet |
| 23:01.53 | JeffM2501 | for both of em :) |
| 23:01.59 | spldart | yep |
| 23:03.03 | spldart | Not enough to buy an ish load of ram though :( |
| 23:03.27 | JeffM2501 | 30$? |
| 23:03.28 | spldart | Only have a gig in my workstations... Would like to have 2 |
| 23:03.34 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:03.35 | JeffM2501 | 70$ |
| 23:03.39 | spldart | 30 bux wont by an ish load |
| 23:03.48 | spldart | and I have other bills coming in the future |
| 23:03.53 | spldart | and gas and food |
| 23:04.00 | spldart | gotta keep my budget |
| 23:04.30 | spldart | I could buy 1 gig anyway but then something else will have to be pinched |
| 23:04.49 | spldart | Or I could by several gig and pinch everything 8-0 |
| 23:05.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:05.19 | JeffM2501 | what kinda ram? |
| 23:05.29 | spldart | Yah know.. I haven't decided... |
| 23:05.36 | spldart | I have Samsung in this machine now |
| 23:05.39 | spldart | 2700 |
| 23:05.45 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda dependent on your mobo :) |
| 23:05.45 | Aribeth | corsair XMS is good |
| 23:05.55 | spldart | K7D master L |
| 23:06.02 | JeffM2501 | I haven't found much dif between mfgs of ram |
| 23:06.06 | JeffM2501 | it all comes from the same place |
| 23:06.16 | Aribeth | yup |
| 23:06.44 | JeffM2501 | most I've spend on ram in a long while is the 130$ on the giger dim for the mac mini |
| 23:06.51 | Aribeth | Corsair was recomended for my mb asus p4p800 deluxe |
| 23:06.57 | spldart | I've had better experience with Samsung than Crucial |
| 23:07.06 | spldart | But I'm an overclocker... |
| 23:08.44 | spldart | It's an old mobo but still has some power http://67.10.210.195:91/2304multimedia.JPG |
| 23:09.49 | cosmos | Baptist chuch leaders calling for an armed revolution to overthrow the "corrupt govt of satan" led by gw bush |
| 23:10.05 | retro | this is relevant to bzflag how? |
| 23:10.12 | spldart | We are more than overdue for a revolution anywah |
| 23:10.21 | *** join/#bzflag _BIYA_ (BIYA@dialup-4.129.81.129.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 23:10.24 | retro | true, but it's off topic here. |
| 23:10.24 | cosmos | could be entertaining |
| 23:10.34 | spldart | true |
| 23:10.40 | _BIYA_ | It just had to happen again |
| 23:10.40 | spldart | x2 |
| 23:10.50 | _BIYA_ | Spldart I didnt get it... |
| 23:11.01 | spldart | works for me |
| 23:11.05 | spldart | Not great but it works |
| 23:12.01 | spldart | I don't know what the problem could be ;( |
| 23:17.34 | Pimpinella | i'll drive one of the tanks |
| 23:17.58 | *** join/#bzflag BinarySpike (~BinarySpi@63.99.132.138) |
| 23:18.19 | spldart | Oh OH OH me too |
| 23:18.25 | spldart | I want an M1A1 |
| 23:18.31 | spldart | Or a chieftan |
| 23:18.44 | BinarySpike | Hi, I was wondering where I put .map maps to play them when I host? |
| 23:18.45 | spldart | But wouldn't mind a prototype Tiger II from WWII |
| 23:19.14 | spldart | Don't have to be anywhere specific but I like to keep them close to the bzfs |
| 23:19.20 | spldart | in a common BZ folder |
| 23:19.32 | spldart | But your .conf file decides where the map is |
| 23:19.50 | _BIYA_ | BinarySpike: YOURMAP.ma[ |
| 23:19.52 | _BIYA_ | BinarySpike: YOURMAP.map |
| 23:19.56 | spldart | It can be root/C: or it can be wherever |
| 23:19.59 | _BIYA_ | finally |
| 23:20.10 | BinarySpike | Can you set that from BZFlag or do you need set .conf manualy |
| 23:20.11 | BinarySpike | ? |
| 23:20.24 | BIYA | manually I think |
| 23:20.35 | spldart | in the conf file you need to tell it where your map is |
| 23:20.44 | BinarySpike | Oh, ok! Thanks! |
| 23:20.52 | spldart | Me is C:bz\bzflag\my map.bzw |
| 23:21.01 | spldart | so -world that diredctory |
| 23:21.15 | BinarySpike | I'm using Mac os X |
| 23:21.24 | spldart | IC |
| 23:21.30 | spldart | It may be a bit different |
| 23:21.33 | BIYA | search bzfs.exe |
| 23:22.09 | spldart | Did I hear you mention you thought you might have humped your bzfs.exe biya? |
| 23:22.23 | BinarySpike | Well, thanks, I hated playing the normal set map (and I want to host a server for my friend and I to play on) |
| 23:22.25 | *** part/#bzflag BinarySpike (~BinarySpi@63.99.132.138) |
| 23:22.31 | spldart | Or do I need a memory upgrade? |
| 23:22.54 | BIYA | I killed my bzfs.exe |
| 23:23.06 | spldart | did you replace it? |
| 23:23.10 | BIYA | yeah |
| 23:23.14 | spldart | kew |
| 23:23.26 | BIYA | Thats why I asked you for the map..... cause mine never worked |
| 23:23.32 | BIYA | need to see whats different |
| 23:23.39 | spldart | ic |
| 23:23.43 | wegstar | ~frag lan56 |
| 23:23.45 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at lan56 |
| 23:23.54 | BIYA | wow this transparent look is cool |
| 23:24.11 | BIYA | wow |
| 23:24.23 | retro | ~seen SportyGal |
| 23:24.26 | ibot | sportygal is currently on #bzflag (5h 46m 49s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 2h 42m 42s |
| 23:24.26 | BIYA | ~frag wegstar |
| 23:24.28 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at wegstar |
| 23:24.33 | wegstar | ~bzfrag BIYA |
| 23:24.35 | ibot | ACTION blindsides BIYA with an invisible bullet |
| 23:24.38 | SportyGal | retro: I'm here |
| 23:24.39 | wegstar | :P |
| 23:24.40 | SportyGal | sort of |
| 23:24.52 | BIYA | lol |
| 23:25.13 | Aribeth | hi SportyGal |
| 23:25.35 | SportyGal | hi ari |
| 23:25.43 | wegstar | ? |
| 23:25.55 | wegstar | SportyGal==SportChick? |
| 23:26.07 | BIYA | ironic |
| 23:26.10 | JeffM2501 | only for certan values of sportchick |
| 23:26.14 | SportyGal | wegstar: yes |
| 23:26.17 | wegstar | ah... |
| 23:26.28 | cosmos | she commands the secretplace army ;) |
| 23:26.43 | JeffM2501 | maybe I should change her rank to like major |
| 23:26.44 | SportyGal | cosmos: you have me confused with Nidhoggr |
| 23:26.49 | cosmos | heh |
| 23:26.50 | JeffM2501 | major chick |
| 23:26.53 | wegstar | heh:) |
| 23:27.04 | JeffM2501 | Nid is "general bandwith" |
| 23:27.08 | cosmos | we had a few morons trying to start a war between hepcat and secretplace this morning |
| 23:27.20 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 23:28.04 | SportyGal | cosmos: was that spammer on again? |
| 23:29.27 | cosmos | they were on wtih names like secretplace rules hepcat sucks |
| 23:29.43 | cosmos | and claiming to bring a denial of service attack sponsored by secretplace etc |
| 23:30.00 | JeffM2501 | I think those are rouge agents |
| 23:30.36 | cosmos | school let out early today |
| 23:31.05 | JeffM2501 | spring break |
| 23:31.30 | SportyGal | cosmos: good grief! sounds like someone with way too much time on their hands |
| 23:33.10 | cosmos | indeed |
| 23:33.32 | cosmos | we did have some network outages this morning shortly after still waiting to hear from the colo on root cause |
| 23:36.26 | JeffM2501 | it's allways monkeys |
| 23:38.17 | spldart | Set enough chimps in front of enough keyboards and eventually one will beat you at bzflag? |
| 23:38.41 | wegstar | :) |
| 23:40.10 | *** join/#bzflag VIP185 (~VIP185@adsl-67-123-173-173.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 23:49.30 | spldart | Oh sweet |
| 23:49.43 | spldart | I had a RUN on secret place |
| 23:50.09 | spldart | I have an idea for BZ enhancement |
| 23:50.37 | spldart | When a player makes several kill inside a predetermined time it will announce "Killing Spree" |
| 23:50.47 | spldart | Prefereably a voice and not just a server message |
| 23:51.27 | spldart | What do i remember taht from... Quake? |
| 23:52.40 | spldart | To keep it simple.... Just add a small .wav that will announce the killing spree and it will flash the tanks name in the list ;) |
| 23:55.12 | *** join/#bzflag bz5995 (~44ba91f5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:55.32 | JeffM2501 | so you just want the thing UT does |
| 23:55.32 | *** join/#bzflag bz5995 (~44ba91f5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:55.39 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (~DeathBarr@adsl-70-240-102-172.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:55.40 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (BIYA@dialup-4.129.83.114.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 23:55.51 | bz5995 | -bzfquery segfault.penguintek.net:5154 |
| 23:56.01 | BIYA | ~ |
| 23:56.02 | bz5995 | -bzquery segfault.penguintek.net:5154 |
| 23:56.04 | BIYA | not - |
| 23:56.09 | *** join/#bzflag bz5995 (~44ba91f5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:56.23 | bz5995 | -bzfquery segfault.penguintek.net:5154 |
| 23:56.44 | BIYA | ~bzfquery DTRemenak.BakaDigital.com:6001 |
| 23:56.58 | spldart | I'm trying to find the right one... |
| 23:57.04 | spldart | It's not the halo killing spree |
| 23:57.09 | bz5995 | ~bzfquery segfault.penguintek.net:5154 |
| 23:57.20 | bz5995 | ~bzfquery kamikaze.hushpuppy.us:5154 |
| 23:57.28 | spldart | prolly UT |
| 23:57.34 | BIYA | ~bzfquery segfault.penguintek.net:5154 |
| 23:57.46 | BIYA | and he left |
| 23:58.56 | JeffM2501 | it is UT |
| 23:59.23 | spldart | I think that would be cool.... I know I don't write the code for this stuff but yeah |
| 23:59.23 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:59.51 | spldart | It would add a small .wav to the directory people download and the code to detect a fast succession of kills |
