| 00:00.03 | JeffM2501 | it's not an engine |
| 00:00.07 | JeffM2501 | it's a rendering interface |
| 00:00.50 | LordSarpedon | Heh. Well, on the hunt for an engine...i dont have time to reinvent the wheel for graphics |
| 00:00.55 | LordSarpedon | Networking, in this case |
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| 00:01.41 | JeffM2501 | if you went to C# you could use oger |
| 00:01.46 | JeffM2501 | it does all that fun stuff for ya |
| 00:01.51 | JeffM2501 | even has a scene editor |
| 00:01.58 | scanline | ogre has C# bindings now? |
| 00:02.04 | JeffM2501 | think it has C#, java, and python |
| 00:02.47 | LordSarpedon | http://www.axiom3d.org/ |
| 00:02.55 | LordSarpedon | That might be what I am looking for |
| 00:02.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's it |
| 00:03.03 | JeffM2501 | that's the C# ogre |
| 00:03.19 | JeffM2501 | Axiom is a C# port of Ogre, allowing you to use Ogre-like code in a .Net/Mono environment. |
| 00:03.26 | JeffM2501 | from the ogre page |
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| 00:03.39 | JeffM2501 | http://www.ogre3d.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=70 |
| 00:04.01 | JeffM2501 | pyogre = python and ogre4J = java |
| 00:04.09 | purple_cow | you don't need to use C#, just something in the .net framework |
| 00:04.24 | JeffM2501 | thoI guess a port isn't quite the same as 'bindings' |
| 00:04.35 | purple_cow | uhhuh |
| 00:04.46 | purple_cow | the problem with a port is that it needs to be updated |
| 00:04.49 | JeffM2501 | still if they kept a similar API it's nice |
| 00:04.57 | LordSarpedon | ANy good ogre tuts? |
| 00:04.59 | purple_cow | would be nice if they just made bindings |
| 00:05.22 | JeffM2501 | patch it up purple_cow :) |
| 00:05.26 | purple_cow | heh |
| 00:05.40 | JeffM2501 | so then what is one more? |
| 00:05.57 | JeffM2501 | when the cammel is broken, who cares how much more hay it has |
| 00:06.01 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 00:06.26 | purple_cow | LordSarpedon: http://www.ogre3d.org/wiki/index.php/Ogre_Tutorials |
| 00:07.00 | LordSarpedon | crap...need the source too |
| 00:07.09 | LordSarpedon | which is in c# of course >( |
| 00:08.17 | LordSarpedon | So to DX it is |
| 00:12.06 | LordSarpedon | Yes, yes |
| 00:12.15 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 00:12.18 | JeffM2501 | best of luck then |
| 00:12.24 | JeffM2501 | you will get little help |
| 00:12.32 | LordSarpedon | If I encapsulate in a class, then of course Jeff could replace it later..? |
| 00:12.39 | LordSarpedon | Yes, with 3d in particular |
| 00:12.40 | JeffM2501 | why reinvent the wheel |
| 00:12.45 | JeffM2501 | just use ogre |
| 00:12.58 | JeffM2501 | I know no VB |
| 00:13.05 | JeffM2501 | so I can not help you in that language |
| 00:13.12 | JeffM2501 | and I have no desire to learn VB |
| 00:13.27 | JeffM2501 | it is a vile language that must be killed |
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| 00:14.14 | LordSarpedon | The only ogre C# bindings/port I have seen is axiom, which is unusable to me |
| 00:14.30 | JeffM2501 | why is it unusable? |
| 00:14.57 | cosmos | it needs to be rewritten in PL/1 |
| 00:15.03 | LordSarpedon | As i mentioned, it seems to be required to use Axiom from source, which I cannot do without VCS |
| 00:15.16 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:15.30 | JeffM2501 | so you don't have any C# compilers? |
| 00:15.33 | JeffM2501 | at all? |
| 00:15.50 | LordSarpedon | Uggh. Such a pain...perhaps I will try the mono compiler |
| 00:15.56 | JeffM2501 | by the way you talked about C# I had asumed you were using it |
| 00:16.03 | JeffM2501 | do what you wish then |
| 00:16.12 | LordSarpedon | We'll see. Cya |
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| 00:30.05 | lan56 | cosmos: its me that was really on hepcat right now |
| 00:31.06 | cosmos | whats going on |
| 00:31.28 | cosmos | i got some reports you were tking and stuff |
| 00:31.29 | lan56 | beats me, I just joined hepcat and get kicked then everybody tells me I was basically a troll all day |
| 00:31.40 | lan56 | imposter |
| 00:31.52 | lan56 | I was on this morning which you and RC Cola saw, and havent been on since |
| 00:31.59 | cosmos | time to go SPAWN only gor registered |
| 00:32.00 | lan56 | until now |
| 00:32.11 | lan56 | yes that would be great |
| 00:32.16 | JeffM2501 | ahh you let your password out too? |
| 00:32.20 | lan56 | nope |
| 00:32.25 | JeffM2501 | they non reg? |
| 00:32.26 | lan56 | never told anyone except my dog |
| 00:32.38 | JeffM2501 | ever go to a server that used /identify? |
| 00:32.44 | lan56 | yes |
| 00:32.52 | cosmos | oy vey |
| 00:32.56 | JeffM2501 | that server op has your password now |
| 00:33.18 | lan56 | alright, never told anyone not an op or admin then |
| 00:33.26 | cosmos | doesnt matter |
| 00:33.33 | JeffM2501 | it was still sent to the server |
| 00:33.36 | JeffM2501 | logs would have it |
| 00:33.47 | cosmos | 2.0.3 needs to take identify out |
| 00:33.54 | Aribeth | yup its in the logs |
| 00:33.55 | JeffM2501 | it's not a client side thing |
| 00:34.02 | JeffM2501 | it's a chat message |
| 00:34.11 | JeffM2501 | we can't prevent them from typing it |
| 00:35.52 | JeffM2501 | it's just that people can't use the same password with /identify as they do on the forums, they can't trust every server op |
| 00:36.18 | JeffM2501 | local logins are just nasty |
| 00:36.24 | JeffM2501 | if you send the password over |
| 00:36.45 | JeffM2501 | maybe do something with a common token generator and ship that over |
| 00:36.47 | cosmos | yeah |
| 00:36.54 | JeffM2501 | then at least it's a pain to get the password outa that |
| 00:37.12 | JeffM2501 | but that's gonna need a proto change for local logins, and move it into the proto |
| 00:37.17 | JeffM2501 | that means 2.2.0 |
| 00:37.20 | JeffM2501 | not a 2.0.x |
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| 00:48.24 | Aribeth | i like the idea of removing passwords from being recorded in the logs |
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| 00:52.27 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't see it as a password message |
| 00:52.32 | JeffM2501 | it's just chat text |
| 00:52.37 | JeffM2501 | and we don't log |
| 00:52.43 | JeffM2501 | we just dump to stdio |
| 00:52.45 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 00:52.55 | JeffM2501 | we'd have to move the dumping to AFTER the command was processed |
| 00:53.07 | JeffM2501 | all the / commands are sent as chat text messages and parsed by the server |
| 00:53.19 | JeffM2501 | so somone who wanted to could still get them |
| 00:53.33 | JeffM2501 | only way is to not send them |
| 00:53.34 | Aribeth | true |
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| 00:53.57 | cosmos | again, the exploding computer solution |
| 00:54.02 | cosmos | send your pw and kaboom |
| 00:54.03 | JeffM2501 | and if this is done in a compatable 2.0.x release, they could just still run a 2.0.0 server |
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| 00:54.26 | ep | test |
| 00:54.34 | JeffM2501 | stupid people are jsut going to be screwed untill the next forced relese, aka 2.2.0 |
| 00:54.51 | cosmos | i found 3 admins with one letter passwords |
| 00:55.12 | JeffM2501 | only thing I could think of for compatability would be to make the client have a way to not do /identify Ever |
| 00:55.22 | JeffM2501 | or have it do a "are you sure? yes/no" before it sent it |
| 00:55.27 | JeffM2501 | and make that the default |
| 00:55.56 | JeffM2501 | basicly make it anoying for /id servers |
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| 00:56.56 | JeffM2501 | and that could send a message that the game requires global ID, and it realy dosn't |
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| 01:14.42 | cosmos | it should require global id |
| 01:14.46 | cosmos | it does now at hepcat.org |
| 01:15.24 | JeffM2501 | that's a choice you make |
| 01:15.46 | JeffM2501 | since bzflag is distributed with many an OS, it would be unfrair to punish noobs who just click the game |
| 01:16.03 | JeffM2501 | and can't play cus they don't know to go to a magic URL and sign up for something |
| 01:16.07 | JeffM2501 | just to see what the game is |
| 01:16.18 | JeffM2501 | you know there is nothing in game that helps them register |
| 01:16.33 | JeffM2501 | or even points them where to go |
| 01:16.41 | JeffM2501 | this is why I like the subspace way |
| 01:16.43 | cosmos | that can be fixed |
| 01:16.49 | JeffM2501 | anything can be fixed |
| 01:16.52 | cosmos | :) |
| 01:16.56 | JeffM2501 | but if we are gonna fix it, we should fix it right |
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| 01:17.06 | JeffM2501 | and maybe see about making sure that it dosn't happen again |
| 01:17.13 | JeffM2501 | in subspace the game makes new accounts |
| 01:17.15 | cosmos | who was it here the other night fuming at me because i shouldnt be allowed to "Restrict" players freedoms |
| 01:17.25 | JeffM2501 | then noobs get to play on an "alpha zone" |
| 01:17.29 | Aribeth | we should all be aware that if we go to sites other than trusted sites we should use a different password/callsign |
| 01:17.51 | JeffM2501 | and can't go to any other server untill they rack up a playing time, or some min score. |
| 01:18.05 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, I put a post on bzbb, noone will read it. |
| 01:18.10 | cosmos | heh |
| 01:18.17 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 01:18.32 | JeffM2501 | the subspace system helps people register, so it's easy, provides a "dumping ground" for the asshats |
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| 01:18.45 | JeffM2501 | and makes sure that the users who get into the main servers have a bit of experience. |
| 01:19.03 | JeffM2501 | does mean that the noob serever is just one big mess |
| 01:19.10 | JeffM2501 | but at least it's a contained mess |
| 01:19.10 | cosmos | awesome, redsoxfan90 will submit the code improvements for bzflag shortly! |
| 01:19.22 | JeffM2501 | sweet |
| 01:19.30 | JeffM2501 | I'll be waiting |
| 01:20.01 | JeffM2501 | sadly changes of that magnitude would mean chaning the way our entire network would work |
| 01:20.08 | JeffM2501 | and the way people host servers |
| 01:20.19 | JeffM2501 | it makes the list server just a portal for "OUR" network |
| 01:20.28 | JeffM2501 | but maybe that's a good thing |
| 01:20.36 | JeffM2501 | since they are using the "oficial" bandwith |
| 01:20.48 | JeffM2501 | it just would have to be a concious decisioin |
| 01:21.05 | cosmos | $1 to download new clients |
| 01:21.18 | JeffM2501 | and the ways that somone could set up there own new network, for those that don't agree with the "our" rules |
| 01:22.19 | JeffM2501 | maybe break the list server into something that has 2 tiers |
| 01:22.23 | JeffM2501 | one that lists other list servers |
| 01:22.30 | JeffM2501 | and defaults to the "oficial" one |
| 01:22.43 | JeffM2501 | then each network has it's own set of list servers |
| 01:22.54 | JeffM2501 | then you have to authenticate for each list of games. |
| 01:23.10 | JeffM2501 | so maybe a basic list is for a couple "open" servers |
| 01:23.31 | JeffM2501 | then another list for our servers that subscribe to the bzbb auth list |
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| 01:23.41 | JeffM2501 | and we only let those servers on if they agree to do only global auth |
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| 01:23.46 | JeffM2501 | using oour database |
| 01:23.57 | JeffM2501 | then you could do a network for each leauge too |
| 01:24.43 | JeffM2501 | then make both clients and servers auth before they are given list server access, ether get or add |
| 01:25.14 | JeffM2501 | or I could just be talking outa my butt |
| 01:31.11 | cosmos | heh |
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| 01:39.38 | LordSarpedon | Im back again... |
| 01:40.29 | JeffM2501 | so we see |
| 01:41.08 | JeffM2501 | you know we see you login right? |
| 01:41.24 | LordSarpedon | Anyways, I have found my old bzf project...its got a crappy 2d, overhead renderer that uses the basic WIndows drawing libraries |
| 01:41.32 | LordSarpedon | Yes, but I consider it good etiquette |
| 01:41.56 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, just hack your server to use a difrent URL for auth, make your own secure bzbb that is tied to a paypal account :) |
| 01:42.34 | LordSarpedon | Using the old bzf 1.10 protocol, and spectator only. Not exactly what I need for a PoC |
| 01:42.51 | JeffM2501 | then hook up a chat filter that charges 5$ every time it sees the word "hitler" |
| 01:43.20 | JeffM2501 | that will make them secure up there passswords REALY fast |
| 01:43.34 | LordSarpedon | It would help if the DR calculated in angular velocity and acceleration |
| 01:43.51 | JeffM2501 | hence why I say do't worry about existing protocoll |
| 01:43.55 | JeffM2501 | it may not have all you need |
| 01:43.58 | JeffM2501 | don't let it gimp you |
| 01:44.04 | JeffM2501 | shoot for the moon :) |
| 01:44.09 | JeffM2501 | then reel it in later |
| 01:45.03 | LordSarpedon | I know that jeff, but have to have a starting point...it doesn't look like I will have a 3d view, so this will be a pretty sad PoC |
| 01:45.29 | JeffM2501 | swap to c |
| 01:45.35 | LordSarpedon | C#? |
| 01:45.42 | JeffM2501 | ether or |
| 01:46.05 | LordSarpedon | Heh. WOuld modify the existing bzf if I knew cpp well enough |
| 01:46.34 | JeffM2501 | that woudl gimp you a lot too |
| 01:46.35 | LordSarpedon | Might work better, now that I think about it |
| 01:46.46 | LordSarpedon | Indeed |
| 01:46.53 | JeffM2501 | C++ isn't hard |
| 01:47.31 | LordSarpedon | does the source include a vc++ project? |
| 01:48.10 | JeffM2501 | both 6 and 7.1 |
| 01:48.14 | LordSarpedon | Nice |
| 01:48.27 | LordSarpedon | Perhaps a C#/C++ upgrade is in order |
| 01:48.45 | cosmos | JeffM is a fountain of patience. |
| 01:50.37 | LordSarpedon | Directed towards me, I would assume. Thinly veiled |
| 01:51.33 | cosmos | NO |
| 01:51.36 | JeffM2501 | I don't think so |
| 01:51.36 | cosmos | no |
| 01:51.48 | JeffM2501 | I say do the paypall thing :) |
| 01:51.49 | cosmos | you have to soak up the channel for a few days to get it |
| 01:51.54 | cosmos | im thinking about it |
| 01:52.04 | cosmos | next hurdle. free time to code |
| 01:52.09 | JeffM2501 | or someone just has to get Tim to care |
| 01:53.33 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, a "thinly veilled" one woudl be "STFU n00b" |
| 01:53.36 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:53.46 | JeffM2501 | and he's not like that |
| 01:54.25 | LordSarpedon | It will take time to adjust to a new community, even more before becoming a useful asset rather than pestering newb. Ah, the wonders of the web |
| 01:54.41 | purple_cow | mmmm muenster |
| 01:54.55 | JeffM2501 | your not realy pestering |
| 01:55.01 | JeffM2501 | your provcing discussion |
| 01:55.03 | JeffM2501 | it's a good thing |
| 01:55.10 | JeffM2501 | now BIYA |
| 01:55.16 | JeffM2501 | that's is a pester |
| 01:55.45 | JeffM2501 | tho he is SLOOOOWWWWLLLLYYY learning |
| 01:56.00 | orange | speaking of global logins, not using /identify, and breaking protocol, is it going to be possible to allow private servers to use global logins without a protocol-breaking release? |
| 01:56.17 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 01:56.39 | JeffM2501 | or I should say "i don't see why not" |
| 01:57.01 | JeffM2501 | they would do the same thing, just never send an "ADD" message |
| 01:58.08 | JeffM2501 | and probably just some sort of smart timeout |
| 01:58.09 | orchid | JeffM2501: BIYA has blossomed under you tutorlidge |
| 01:58.15 | JeffM2501 | so that it dosn't wait forever |
| 01:58.22 | JeffM2501 | he still dosnt' try very hard |
| 01:58.28 | JeffM2501 | but he's making slow progress |
| 01:58.31 | orchid | yep |
| 01:59.17 | JeffM2501 | if you beat a nail hard enough, long enough it will go in, it just won't be prety :) |
| 01:59.39 | brlcad | bigger hammer with a plush handle |
| 01:59.56 | JeffM2501 | power tools |
| 02:00.52 | LordSarpedon | Ha. I can't believe how many servers are still running 1.10.8 |
| 02:00.58 | LordSarpedon | (or compatibile) |
| 02:01.23 | JeffM2501 | 20-30? |
| 02:02.01 | LordSarpedon | Didn't count. But I have my project connected to one. Its fun to see the tank-squares charge at each other |
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| 02:02.33 | JeffM2501 | you could allways do it with pybzflag |
| 02:02.55 | LordSarpedon | Really? never heard of it |
| 02:03.17 | blast007 | was pyBZFlag protocol compatible? |
| 02:03.18 | JeffM2501 | python imlementation of bz |
| 02:03.22 | JeffM2501 | somewhat |
| 02:03.35 | JeffM2501 | it was at the 1.11.whatever when it was stoped |
| 02:03.59 | JeffM2501 | his changes are not going to be compatable, so it dosn't mater, it would just be an ok starting point |
| 02:04.07 | blast007 | ah |
| 02:04.52 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, do you know python? |
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| 02:13.03 | LordSarpedon | Nope |
| 02:13.11 | LordSarpedon | Hows the rendering for pybzflag? |
| 02:13.22 | JeffM2501 | pimp |
| 02:13.33 | JeffM2501 | better then bzflag :) |
| 02:13.57 | LordSarpedon | ha.i found some screens. No kidding |
| 02:18.04 | blast007 | didn't the teleporters in pyBZFlag have a fluid-like wave to them? :) |
| 02:18.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:18.14 | JeffM2501 | stargate caustics |
| 02:19.01 | blast007 | I need to try it....I have it on this computer, but it work run with the crappy video card |
| 02:19.03 | brlcad | shimmies |
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| 02:24.16 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/tools/mapedit/inc/openGL.h: some color utilitys |
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| 02:27.47 | LordSarpedon | w00t |
| 02:27.56 | LordSarpedon | working csharp ide |
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| 02:34.18 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/tools/mapedit/ (inc/world.h src/world.cpp): simple world structures |
| 02:38.15 | MeBigFatGuy | wow 'the office' is too true |
| 02:40.00 | cosmos | bigfatguy? |
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| 02:42.13 | TheRedBaron | I'm sure this question has been asked, and answered many times, but my memory doesn't serve me that well anymore... |
| 02:42.22 | TheRedBaron | is it possible to play bzflag from behind a proxy? |
| 02:42.40 | blast007 | it is, but it's laggy |
| 02:42.43 | blast007 | can't use UDP |
| 02:43.08 | TheRedBaron | hmm... |
| 02:43.32 | MeBigFatGuy | tv show |
| 02:44.04 | blast007 | if the list server is the only thing that isn't working, you can use port 81 for the list server url |
| 02:44.18 | blast007 | that bypasses some proxies |
| 02:45.13 | TheRedBaron | blast007, I'm not behind a proxy yet... but I maybe someday. |
| 02:45.34 | orange | gotta love ambition |
| 02:46.28 | TheRedBaron | preferably, i'd like to keep my network as it is... but sadly I don't have the final say on it. |
| 02:47.45 | Noodleman | does anyone have a 2.0.2 build for mac os x? |
| 02:48.30 | blast007 | Noodleman: not yet afaik |
| 02:49.16 | Noodleman | grrrrr |
| 02:49.29 | blast007 | people should be able to build it on OS X |
| 02:51.33 | brlcad | i'll be ready to post the 2.0.2 build later tonight |
| 02:51.49 | brlcad | working on it now |
| 02:53.55 | TheRedBaron | what other popular software would use UDP? |
| 02:54.35 | brlcad | lots of networking software uses udp |
| 02:55.27 | cosmos | rev falwell in critical condition, followers blame muslims poisoned him and vow to slaughter them by the thousands |
| 02:55.48 | TheRedBaron | o.0 |
| 02:56.27 | LordSarpedon | Wow. Sharpdevelop apparently has no debugging capability |
| 02:56.40 | LordSarpedon | I would expect at least a breakpoint option |
| 02:57.14 | cosmos | California State University Chico has suspended its 25-member chapter of Phi Kappa Tau, while it investigates the party at which professional porn actors were filmed having sex |
| 02:57.24 | cosmos | recruiting is up at call state chico this year... |
| 02:57.49 | TheRedBaron | brlcad, so with a proxy i won't be able to run a "virtual private network" VPN? |
| 03:01.18 | TheRedBaron | or anyone with the answer... |
| 03:01.46 | blast007 | there is some software to tunnel UDP messages over a proxy, but it requires software on both ends of the connection (a client and a server) |
| 03:02.23 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: you can set up a VPN over jsut about anything -- has little to do with UDP and more to do with just the network setup |
| 03:02.41 | TheRedBaron | ok |
| 03:03.57 | TheRedBaron | I'm not asking any favors... but is it possible to have bzflag support a proxy? or whatever? |
| 03:04.52 | MeBigFatGuy | the answer is 'you woouldn't want to' |
| 03:05.40 | TheRedBaron | that works too :) |
| 03:05.40 | blast007 | this looks interesting: http://www.winton.org.uk/zebedee/ (uses a client and a server application) |
| 03:06.11 | blast007 | but yeah, it's not worth trying really ;) |
| 03:06.44 | TheRedBaron | ok.. just curious... |
| 03:11.03 | MeBigFatGuy | howdy |
| 03:20.15 | Nidhoggr | I wish things would quiet down so I could be around more. |
| 03:20.23 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 03:20.38 | Nidhoggr | busiest time I can ever remember. |
| 03:21.01 | orchid | hi Nidhoggr! |
| 03:21.10 | Nidhoggr | hi orchid, I miss you all. |
| 03:21.37 | brlcad | howdy Nidhoggr |
| 03:21.39 | Nidhoggr | I have so much to do before the end of april. |
| 03:21.46 | Nidhoggr | hi brlcad !!! |
| 03:22.06 | Nidhoggr | doing a lot of writing and prayer, etc. |
| 03:22.31 | spldart | Transporters are NOT as easy as pyramids and boxes :eek: |
| 03:25.28 | orchid | cmon guu |
| 03:25.43 | *** join/#bzflag guu (guu@myth.gibbscam.com) |
| 03:26.53 | orchid | !todo |
| 03:26.54 | guu | orchid: #44: play less bzflag, #45: sort mp3's, #46: utctolocal, and #47: fix manpages |
| 03:28.11 | *** join/#bzflag Punkus (~chris@222.153.210.20) |
| 03:28.14 | Punkus | Hi all |
| 03:28.28 | blast007 | hello |
| 03:28.34 | orchid | hello Punkus |
| 03:28.36 | Punkus | Can someone help me using teleporters? |
| 03:28.40 | Punkus | im making a map |
| 03:28.46 | Punkus | and i cant get them to work |
| 03:28.48 | orchid | spldart can! |
| 03:29.10 | Punkus | well... the teleporters arn't the things that dont work... its the links |
| 03:29.11 | MeBigFatGuy | whats your problem |
| 03:29.21 | MeBigFatGuy | each tele has two sides |
| 03:29.35 | Punkus | I try to specify what from and to, but it doesn't seem to work! |
| 03:29.44 | Punkus | MeBigFatGuy: I know |
| 03:29.51 | MeBigFatGuy | 1 and 2 being the first, 3 and 4 the next |
| 03:30.05 | MeBigFatGuy | etc |
| 03:30.11 | Punkus | 1 2 being one tele, 34 being next tele... |
| 03:30.13 | trepan | starts at 0 |
| 03:30.17 | Punkus | 3 and 4* |
| 03:30.20 | MeBigFatGuy | ok |
| 03:30.21 | Punkus | oh |
| 03:30.23 | MeBigFatGuy | starts at 0 |
| 03:30.28 | Punkus | trepan: thx ;) |
| 03:30.33 | MeBigFatGuy | i think you can use names too, no? |
| 03:30.36 | trepan | using names might be easier |
| 03:31.05 | Punkus | ok... |
| 03:31.08 | Punkus | oh yeah |
| 03:31.30 | Punkus | name a tele |
| 03:31.33 | Punkus | like that? |
| 03:31.41 | brlcad | bob |
| 03:31.48 | Punkus | in between teleporter and end? |
| 03:32.10 | trepan | from the man page ... |
| 03:32.11 | trepan | teleporter [name] |
| 03:32.11 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.15 | Punkus | i c |
| 03:32.56 | Punkus | how do i link one side of the tele using names and the other side going somwhere else? |
| 03:33.04 | Punkus | all usin names |
| 03:33.30 | Punkus | yeah |
| 03:33.36 | Punkus | they r bogus |
| 03:34.00 | Punkus | very good at telling you what the things mean in the man page, bzw.. not |
| 03:34.23 | orchid | trepan: many commands are stuck in the wrong pages, like bzfs has a ton of commands the players only use |
| 03:34.57 | Punkus | if i have names for the tele's do i have to use names then? |
| 03:35.11 | Punkus | i only have 3 teleporters |
| 03:35.24 | Punkus | laid out like grassrootsportals |
| 03:35.49 | Punkus | and i want the link's like how it is at grassrootsportals |
| 03:35.58 | Punkus | it just fits the map ;) |
| 03:36.38 | Punkus | ill just try these numbers... |
| 03:37.52 | blast007 | just taking a quick glance at the man page, I noticed :f and :b can be appended to the teleporter name in the link |
| 03:37.54 | Punkus | hmm... thats done it :P |
| 03:38.06 | Punkus | oh |
| 03:38.19 | Punkus | i think... |
| 03:38.19 | bzflagwiz | an example of two teleporters: |
| 03:38.26 | bzflagwiz | teleporter /t0 |
| 03:38.26 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.26 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.26 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.26 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.26 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-167-2-242.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 03:38.27 | bzflagwiz | end |
| 03:38.29 | bzflagwiz | teleporter /t1 |
| 03:38.31 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.33 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.34 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.37 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.38 | bzflagwiz | end |
| 03:38.43 | bzflagwiz | link |
| 03:38.45 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.47 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.49 | bzflagwiz | end |
| 03:38.51 | bzflagwiz | link |
| 03:38.52 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.55 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.56 | bzflagwiz | end |
| 03:39.00 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 03:39.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 03:39.01 | Punkus | i c |
| 03:39.05 | blast007 | manpage is at http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s |
| 03:39.36 | blast007 | look down at the "link object" stuff |
| 03:39.36 | brlcad | the manpage should have a named link example |
| 03:40.02 | brlcad | trepan: but then we couldn't tell them to rtfm |
| 03:40.52 | Punkus | damn, thats a good man page |
| 03:40.56 | spldart | BAM.... My teleporters are online :D |
| 03:40.58 | Punkus | im bookmarking that... |
| 03:41.01 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:41.36 | orchid | Punkus: :) |
| 03:41.44 | spldart | PAIN IN THE BUTT |
| 03:41.47 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.57 | Punkus | since there is only 3 teles |
| 03:42.04 | Aribeth | i find laying them out on paper helps |
| 03:42.05 | Punkus | i could randomnize everything |
| 03:42.33 | Punkus | Aribeth: i tried... but it looked wierd, so i just gave up ;) |
| 03:42.38 | jpa- | morning |
| 03:42.42 | Punkus | afternoon |
| 03:42.48 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:42.52 | Punkus | lol |
| 03:42.57 | lan56 | when I run a server, it shows my IP address and the description like a normal server and it also shows my account name w/o a description on the list, but when I join, only the entry with my account name shows that there is a player while the one with the IP and description shows nobody. is this normal and supposed to happen? |
| 03:43.01 | spldart | night |
| 03:43.25 | Punkus | yes |
| 03:43.29 | Punkus | cuz, thats u |
| 03:43.35 | Punkus | u look... nothin there |
| 03:43.37 | Punkus | u connect |
| 03:43.43 | brlcad | Punkus: it's even better if it had rendered correctly |
| 03:43.44 | Punkus | now theres sombody on |
| 03:43.45 | blast007 | lan56: no, that doesn't sound normal |
| 03:43.51 | brlcad | which it didn't |
| 03:43.57 | Punkus | lol |
| 03:44.01 | jpa- | lan56: is your computer name same as your account name? |
| 03:44.07 | lan56 | no |
| 03:44.10 | lan56 | computer name shows I mean |
| 03:44.16 | Punkus | oohh |
| 03:44.18 | Punkus | im lost... |
| 03:44.23 | lan56 | one entry has only computer name, other has IP + description |
| 03:44.29 | lan56 | one with computer name updates, other doesn;t |
| 03:44.44 | jpa- | lan56: bzflag searchs lan for bzfs servers, and shows them by computer host name |
| 03:44.59 | blast007 | lan56: when you join, the server should send an ADD message to the list server with the new player count |
| 03:45.09 | jpa- | others see only the public one |
| 03:45.21 | *** join/#bzflag cbedve (~madaf_4@217.15.45.42) |
| 03:45.24 | lan56 | which it does, but the one that the public sees (IP + desc) doesn't update with the new player |
| 03:45.32 | blast007 | jpa-: yeah, and I think it only does LAN discovery for the default port |
| 03:46.12 | jpa- | lan56: you mean automatically or after a new "search for servers" ? |
| 03:46.25 | blast007 | lan56: might there be a cache somewhere between the list server and your client? |
| 03:46.48 | lan56 | every time I update the server list when i hit "find servers" only the local one with the computer name is updated while the other entry still says 0 players |
| 03:48.16 | spldart | True... Only discovered mine when I changed from 5123 to 5154. |
| 03:49.51 | wegstar | hmm |
| 03:51.08 | blast007 | the list shows 1 observer on |
| 03:51.18 | blast007 | ~bzfquery 68.167.2.242 |
| 03:51.29 | lan56 | hmm, then I guess it works |
| 03:51.30 | blast007 | well, it did ;) |
| 03:51.45 | lan56 | alright, thanks blast007 and everyone :) |
| 03:51.54 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:52.04 | lan56 | heh, never though about using ~bzfquery |
| 03:52.25 | blast007 | I think that connect directly to the client though, so it doesn't go by the list |
| 03:52.44 | lan56 | but you saw it on the list |
| 03:52.48 | blast007 | I used a PHP script I have to see how many players were reported |
| 03:53.51 | lan56 | you still were able to get it |
| 03:55.09 | blast007 | yup |
| 04:01.35 | Punkus | yay, got more links to work, just how i want it |
| 04:02.31 | Punkus | hmmm... now i just need MORE buildings :P |
| 04:02.49 | Punkus | btw, anyone wanna see what i have so far? |
| 04:05.57 | Punkus | hello ? |
| 04:06.02 | Punkus | guess not... |
| 04:06.46 | wegstar | heh |
| 04:07.02 | Punkus | its only 12k ! |
| 04:07.11 | wegstar | sure... |
| 04:07.14 | Punkus | lol |
| 04:07.18 | Punkus | ok.. wait a sec |
| 04:07.24 | Punkus | try this... |
| 04:07.40 | Punkus | http://linuxathome.ath.cx/~chris/civil_war.bzw |
| 04:08.03 | Punkus | oh... wait |
| 04:08.05 | wegstar | err. |
| 04:08.17 | Punkus | doesn't work? |
| 04:08.20 | wegstar | nope |
| 04:08.29 | Punkus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.40 | Punkus | im wondering if our domain works |
| 04:08.43 | wegstar | nope |
| 04:08.44 | Punkus | right now.. |
| 04:08.47 | Punkus | ack |
| 04:08.50 | Punkus | ok... |
| 04:08.55 | Punkus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.57 | Punkus | lol |
| 04:09.22 | wegstar | nope :) |
| 04:09.25 | Punkus | oohhhh |
| 04:09.32 | Punkus | ok, are website is broken... |
| 04:09.35 | Punkus | lol |
| 04:09.51 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD59FDD.ipt.aol.com) |
| 04:10.08 | Punkus | hmm... |
| 04:10.12 | Punkus | i could email u it |
| 04:11.50 | wegstar | or you could serve it and i'll come look at it interactively ;) |
| 04:12.28 | Punkus | naa, i need to open up a port, but i need the pass - dad's the only one that knows it and hes at work |
| 04:12.44 | wegstar | o |
| 04:12.47 | Punkus | ya |
| 04:12.55 | wegstar | umm... |
| 04:13.02 | wegstar | stick it at pastebin :P |
| 04:13.06 | wegstar | www.pastebin.ca |
| 04:13.26 | Punkus | pastebin? |
| 04:13.46 | wegstar | er.. yeah |
| 04:14.16 | Punkus | so, i paste in the whole thing? |
| 04:14.28 | wegstar | go ahead |
| 04:14.38 | Punkus | ok ! |
| 04:15.45 | Punkus | http://pastebin.ca/8461 go nuts |
| 04:16.44 | *** join/#bzflag Thumper_ (~bernt@CPE000102d0fe24-CM0012256ecbde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:16.58 | Punkus | hi thumper |
| 04:17.58 | wegstar | hi thumper_ |
| 04:19.58 | wegstar | er.. nice map! |
| 04:20.15 | Punkus | lol |
| 04:20.20 | wegstar | I haven't made maps since 1.10.8 :) |
| 04:20.24 | Punkus | wow |
| 04:20.29 | wegstar | err.. maybe 2.0.0 |
| 04:20.30 | Punkus | i have 3 ideas including that one |
| 04:20.36 | wegstar | yes? |
| 04:21.02 | Punkus | an airport |
| 04:21.16 | Punkus | and an obstacle course |
| 04:21.19 | wegstar | as of the "nascar map"? |
| 04:21.29 | wegstar | yeah.. |
| 04:21.35 | Punkus | i like that map |
| 04:21.54 | Punkus | it inspired me for the airport |
| 04:22.05 | wegstar | yep.. it's interesting.. but most of the people on it are not ;) |
| 04:27.04 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (~spldart@cpe-67-10-210-195.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 04:28.27 | Punkus | wegstar: so, my map aint bad? |
| 04:28.32 | Punkus | its wierd... i know |
| 04:28.39 | Punkus | i had the idea ages ago |
| 04:28.44 | wegstar | nope.. very neat |
| 04:28.53 | Punkus | neat? thx |
| 04:29.15 | Punkus | my first map is a success ! |
| 04:29.20 | Punkus | although its not finished.. |
| 04:29.23 | wegstar | :) |
| 04:29.31 | Punkus | needs more buildings... |
| 04:29.54 | Punkus | ya see how some of it is from grassrootsportals |
| 04:29.56 | Punkus | ;) |
| 04:30.19 | Punkus | like the buildings in the center... heh... |
| 04:30.35 | wegstar | well.. yep.. |
| 04:31.50 | Thumper_ | hi Punkus |
| 04:32.15 | Punkus | hey Thumper_ |
| 04:32.24 | Punkus | check out my new map-in-progress |
| 04:32.28 | Thumper_ | hi wegstar :) |
| 04:32.33 | Punkus | http://pastebin.ca/8461 |
| 04:32.34 | Thumper_ | and anyone else I missed |
| 04:32.38 | Punkus | lol |
| 04:32.48 | wegstar | hehe :) |
| 04:32.53 | Punkus | another 55 people |
| 04:33.20 | Punkus | im eager for feedback |
| 04:33.26 | Punkus | even though its not finished |
| 04:33.47 | *** join/#bzflag Matt__ (BIYA@dialup-4.129.80.168.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 04:34.50 | Punkus | hi BIYA |
| 04:34.58 | Punkus | Thumper_: what ya think ? |
| 04:35.32 | Thumper_ | no idea - is it running somewhere? |
| 04:35.34 | BIYA | Jeff this is a stupid question..... Why does it always say "This nickname is owned by someone else"? |
| 04:36.07 | MeBigFatGuy | did you register the nickname? |
| 04:36.07 | Thumper_ | BIYA: because maybe you registered and didn't identify to nickserv? |
| 04:36.26 | brlcad | BIYA: it means exactly that .. "BIYA" is apparently registered to someone else (unless you registered it) |
| 04:37.01 | spldart | Don't mind me I'm just configuring stuff on my server ;) |
| 04:37.02 | spldart | Hi |
| 04:37.06 | BIYA | I was gonna do the /msg NickServ BIYA blahblah |
| 04:37.16 | BIYA | hey spldart |
| 04:37.22 | Punkus | Thumper_: ? go to the url http://pastebin.ca/8461 and copy and paste into a file from the bottom of the page where it u can edit it |
| 04:37.37 | Thumper_ | BIYA: you m ean /msg NickServ identify blahblah |
| 04:38.03 | BIYA | ? |
| 04:38.43 | BIYA | I did it but it said unknown command |
| 04:38.53 | BIYA | [BIYA] |
| 04:39.01 | Punkus | u need to do; |
| 04:39.19 | Punkus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.24 | spldart | bzzzzt |
| 04:39.29 | BIYA | I did |
| 04:39.33 | BIYA | o |
| 04:39.33 | Punkus | replace <ur pass> with ur pass... |
| 04:39.38 | BIYA | lil |
| 04:39.49 | Punkus | not ; |
| 04:40.12 | Punkus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.27 | BIYA | Punkus: I did that |
| 04:40.48 | Punkus | oh |
| 04:40.51 | Punkus | did what? |
| 04:41.01 | Punkus | 1st one or 2nd one |
| 04:41.23 | BIYA | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.49 | Punkus | ... |
| 04:41.50 | BIYA | then I did the second one but that didnt work either cause it said wrong password |
| 04:42.04 | Punkus | that one --> /msg NickServ identify <ur pass> |
| 04:42.07 | BIYA | An I know my pass was right |
| 04:42.10 | BIYA | yes |
| 04:42.35 | Punkus | hmm... |
| 04:42.38 | Punkus | password was wrong |
| 04:42.47 | BIYA | I donr add <>? |
| 04:42.58 | MeBigFatGuy | no |
| 04:43.02 | BIYA | thought so |
| 04:43.19 | BIYA | wtf |
| 04:43.30 | MeBigFatGuy | must be owned by someone else then :) |
| 04:43.38 | Punkus | ysh |
| 04:43.40 | Punkus | yah |
| 04:44.23 | BIYA | hm |
| 04:44.34 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD59FDD.ipt.aol.com) |
| 04:44.35 | BIYA | well I dont care anyway it just got annoying |
| 04:45.25 | BIYA | Okay for the real reason I came here |
| 04:46.34 | wegstar | yay! got my own pastebin set up :) |
| 04:47.08 | trepan | BIYA: you gonna swear at us again? |
| 04:47.44 | Punkus | Thumper_: you had a look at my map ? =) |
| 04:47.46 | spldart | Yay pastebin :) |
| 04:48.06 | Thumper_ | Punkus: yup |
| 04:48.12 | Punkus | more people the better... feedback is good kids ! |
| 04:48.22 | Punkus | what ya think? |
| 04:48.33 | Thumper_ | it's too easy to get between the bases by driving on the perimeter wall |
| 04:48.45 | Punkus | ok... |
| 04:48.50 | Thumper_ | the corners of that wall don't meet nicely ;) but that's not important |
| 04:49.00 | BIYA | Is there any possible way to change the sky texture? To a better looking one. Im planning on makeing a solarsystem kinda atmostphere... stars all around and planets that you can fly on :).... astroid belt (If I can) moons around planets, and rings around the ones that have one... |
| 04:49.17 | BIYA | sorry for that outburst trepan got alittle frustrated |
| 04:49.25 | Thumper_ | the death message in water should have "'" in don't (and it's kinda corny - just "You drowned." would be fine |
| 04:49.40 | Punkus | i know |
| 04:49.45 | Punkus | lol |
| 04:49.51 | Punkus | i like being corny |
| 04:49.55 | Thumper_ | ok :) |
| 04:50.01 | purple_cow | BIYA: the sky isn't a texture |
| 04:50.24 | Thumper_ | what is the purpose of the two outside lanes with the water in the middle? |
| 04:50.31 | BIYA | well okay how do I change it? |
| 04:50.33 | trepan | build your own skybox/skypyr |
| 04:50.36 | Punkus | dunno |
| 04:50.40 | Punkus | to go around |
| 04:50.41 | BIYA | ? |
| 04:50.56 | Thumper_ | it's kind of outside the play area and isolated |
| 04:51.06 | Punkus | ok.. |
| 04:51.13 | Thumper_ | SB from inside to a flag carrier would be bad for the flag carrier |
| 04:51.13 | Punkus | its another route |
| 04:51.21 | Punkus | SB is limited |
| 04:51.26 | Punkus | down to 20 |
| 04:51.30 | Thumper_ | so is the non-existent GM ;) |
| 04:51.32 | Punkus | no such thing as laser |
| 04:51.39 | Punkus | there is gm |
| 04:51.48 | Punkus | because you can actuarly _hide_ |
| 04:51.56 | spldart | Interesting |
| 04:52.02 | Punkus | laser is just suicide |
| 04:52.11 | BIYA | skybox/skypyr??? is that an object added into a map? |
| 04:52.13 | Punkus | behiind buildings |
| 04:52.24 | Punkus | just make a box high up |
| 04:52.30 | Punkus | off the ground |
| 04:52.42 | Thumper_ | otherwise it looks okay - simple is good |
| 04:52.51 | Punkus | tya |
| 04:52.52 | Punkus | ya |
| 04:53.39 | BIYA | If I did that it would stop all of the tanks when flying up |
| 04:53.47 | Thumper_ | well off to bed... night all |
| 04:53.50 | wegstar | nite |
| 04:53.52 | Punkus | night |
| 04:53.54 | BIYA | bye thumper |
| 04:54.06 | Punkus | so.. i could make the wall higher ? |
| 04:54.11 | Punkus | thats easy |
| 04:55.17 | Punkus | what ya think ? |
| 04:55.21 | BIYA | ? |
| 04:55.32 | Punkus | should i make the castle walls higher |
| 04:55.55 | BIYA | to what? |
| 04:55.57 | Punkus | http://pastebin.ca/8461 |
| 04:55.59 | Punkus | my map |
| 04:56.06 | spldart | Night thumper |
| 04:56.11 | Punkus | ive pasted it in for the hundredth time already |
| 04:56.15 | BIYA | whew.... more looking |
| 04:56.17 | BIYA | brb |
| 04:56.26 | Punkus | (in irc) |
| 04:57.22 | spldart | When I ran your map Punkus I got a bunch of warning from my bzfs.... But it did run and looked complete. |
| 04:57.30 | spldart | But I spawned in the water :confused: |
| 04:57.40 | Punkus | ??? |
| 04:57.47 | Punkus | u missed part of it |
| 04:57.51 | spldart | hrm |
| 04:57.55 | Punkus | u missed the top part |
| 04:58.04 | spldart | hmm hmm |
| 04:58.07 | Punkus | gtg |
| 04:58.10 | Punkus | bye ! |
| 04:58.19 | Punkus | seeya later |
| 04:58.19 | blast007 | cya |
| 04:58.19 | spldart | cyah |
| 04:58.22 | Punkus | 1 1/2 hours |
| 04:58.26 | *** part/#bzflag Punkus (~chris@222.153.210.20) |
| 04:58.35 | BIYA | wow |
| 04:58.51 | BIYA | left quick |
| 04:59.58 | jpa- | morning |
| 05:01.05 | spldart | hrm...are the louman maps still up? |
| 05:02.02 | BIYA | really hard to find planet textures |
| 05:02.59 | spldart | Found his rotating one |
| 05:03.06 | spldart | Missed it when I looked the first time |
| 05:03.38 | SportChick | JeffM2501: do you know? there was a sit with sp about an hour ago when people couldn't stay connected and the logs all showed that |
| 05:04.26 | wegstar | argh! creating a pastebin is not easy as copy and paste :P |
| 05:04.34 | spldart | Now that I'm finished with my little transporter project and some updates to my .conf file I'm left worrying about my magor problem today :( |
| 05:04.51 | spldart | :( at wegstar. hehe What's the problem? |
| 05:05.05 | wegstar | nothing .. :) |
| 05:05.20 | wegstar | it works now.. jsut had to restart apache :P |
| 05:05.23 | spldart | uh... uh.... OK... /butthead |
| 05:05.40 | spldart | he hehe hehe heh YEAH! /beavis |
| 05:05.48 | wegstar | http://www.wegstar.ath.cx/ |
| 05:05.52 | wegstar | oops |
| 05:06.13 | wegstar | oh well |
| 05:06.35 | wegstar | I think I need to check the help ;) |
| 05:07.31 | BIYA | whats the madder? |
| 05:07.42 | BIYA | matter* |
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| 05:13.48 | bzflagwiz | ~seen TimRiker |
| 05:13.50 | ibot | timriker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 5h 6m 1s ago, saying: 'thanx. I'll check em out.'. |
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| 05:16.25 | wegstar | hmm |
| 05:16.50 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, ? |
| 05:17.00 | BIYA | Jeff? |
| 05:17.14 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 05:18.09 | BIYA | She wanted to know what ECONNESET/EPIPE ment |
| 05:18.34 | JeffM2501 | socket stack error |
| 05:18.56 | blast007 | "in plain english" ;) |
| 05:19.08 | JeffM2501 | TCP connection problewm |
| 05:19.58 | BIYA | I got a question to |
| 05:21.08 | BIYA | Wow did ya'll know that Uranus was a Solid blue texture? |
| 05:21.43 | BIYA | solid Blue colro sorry in real life |
| 05:21.59 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 05:22.37 | BIYA | Uranus is Plain solid blue texture. (It's just a solid color, really! It's hex #0087d5, RGB 0,135,213 and HSB 201,100,83.) |
| 05:22.59 | JeffM2501 | there are pictures |
| 05:23.09 | BIYA | yes.... |
| 05:23.20 | BIYA | http://maps.jpl.nasa.gov/uranus.html |
| 05:23.43 | BIYA | Im gathering up textures for my planets |
| 05:23.55 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 05:24.52 | BIYA | Is there any possible way to change the sky texture? To a better looking one. Im planning on makeing a solarsystem kinda atmostphere... stars all around and planets that you can fly on :).... astroid belt (If I can) moons around planets, and rings around the ones that have one... |
| 05:24.55 | BIYA | there |
| 05:25.31 | BIYA | its not a texture...... but is there a way to change it? |
| 05:26.03 | JeffM2501 | they sky is not a texture |
| 05:26.09 | JeffM2501 | it is colored based on the time of day |
| 05:26.40 | BIYA | so its not able to change? to stay one color... for a reason |
| 05:26.59 | JeffM2501 | it is just the way the code is made |
| 05:27.06 | BIYA | o |
| 05:27.08 | JeffM2501 | you can put a skydome or box |
| 05:27.11 | JeffM2501 | around your map |
| 05:27.13 | JeffM2501 | and fake it |
| 05:27.19 | JeffM2501 | but it won't be optimal |
| 05:28.22 | BIYA | I was gonna do that... so make a ginormous dome? with my star texture on it? |
| 05:28.51 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 05:29.07 | BIYA | Heh..... no to find out how to make one |
| 05:30.00 | blast007 | could you drive inside a huge sphere with the 'hemi' setting? |
| 05:30.27 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 05:30.33 | JeffM2501 | may screw up spawns |
| 05:30.47 | JeffM2501 | and radar |
| 05:30.50 | blast007 | hmm, true |
| 05:31.21 | BIYA | there is no radar... im gonna have them spawn in the same place |
| 05:31.36 | BIYA | in the middle |
| 05:32.59 | spldart | night all |
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| 05:35.06 | wegstar | still.. it'll screw up something :P |
| 05:35.21 | wegstar | oh |
| 05:35.31 | BIYA | aw |
| 05:36.28 | wegstar | "main US hub" -- ouch |
| 05:37.30 | BIYA | Make a giant box 1 unit high with the star texture and make a dome over the map with the star texture... Okay now another question |
| 05:38.42 | BIYA | If my editor only puts textures that are jpg on objects how do I turn them into .ping textures? |
| 05:39.15 | wegstar | ".png", you mean? |
| 05:39.27 | wegstar | open in paint save as .png :) |
| 05:39.28 | JeffM2501 | gimp |
| 05:39.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:40.07 | blast007 | cerberus2.no-ip.org:5154 uses several meshes for a custom sky |
| 05:40.24 | BIYA | I know how to convert them into .ping files.... but the editor only puts textures that are jpg not ping..... |
| 05:40.33 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 05:40.54 | blast007 | then get a different/better editor ;) |
| 05:41.07 | wegstar | what editor are you using? |
| 05:41.11 | BIYA | different yes better no |
| 05:41.17 | BIYA | Wings 3D |
| 05:41.20 | wegstar | o |
| 05:41.27 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 05:42.00 | BIYA | but bzflag doesnt use jpg textures |
| 05:42.06 | blast007 | http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enxnview.html |
| 05:42.16 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 05:42.19 | blast007 | can convert like 400 different image types |
| 05:42.26 | BIYA | o |
| 05:42.35 | BIYA | wow theres that many? |
| 05:42.48 | wegstar | ugh.. "x86" makes me shiver ;) |
| 05:43.25 | BIYA | im not worried about convering |
| 05:43.48 | BIYA | im worried about that the textures wont show up on the map.... |
| 05:44.01 | wegstar | ... |
| 05:44.29 | JeffM2501 | they won't |
| 05:44.34 | JeffM2501 | untill you convert them |
| 05:44.49 | JeffM2501 | why does bzflag have to support the same texture format as your toy editor? |
| 05:45.18 | wegstar | "toy editor"... |
| 05:45.20 | BIYA | I dont care about that....... I just want to make sure that they show up |
| 05:45.28 | JeffM2501 | YOU HAVE TO CONVERT THEM |
| 05:45.32 | blast007 | convert them to PNG.... |
| 05:45.36 | JeffM2501 | and change the image refs to be png |
| 05:45.43 | JeffM2501 | noone said it was seamless or automatic |
| 05:45.47 | BIYA | in the bzw file? |
| 05:45.51 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:45.51 | wegstar | ... |
| 05:45.54 | JeffM2501 | comeon man think |
| 05:46.02 | JeffM2501 | in an image editor |
| 05:46.10 | BIYA | I no i no |
| 05:46.17 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 05:46.17 | BIYA | gimp save as .png |
| 05:46.23 | JeffM2501 | come on use real setances |
| 05:46.32 | JeffM2501 | put some effort into actualy comunicating |
| 05:46.36 | BIYA | k |
| 05:46.47 | BIYA | Open image in gimp then save it as .png |
| 05:47.01 | JeffM2501 | ok caveman biya |
| 05:47.17 | BIYA | ? |
| 05:47.28 | JeffM2501 | and then convert any image refrences in the material file for the OBJ before you convert |
| 05:47.36 | JeffM2501 | or in the bzw file afterwards |
| 05:47.50 | BIYA | Tat would take forever |
| 05:48.09 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the real world |
| 05:48.16 | BIYA | :) |
| 05:48.21 | BIYA | The Easy Button |
| 05:48.25 | BIYA | hmm were is it |
| 05:48.25 | JeffM2501 | ether that or get an editor that is more then a toy |
| 05:48.36 | JeffM2501 | it's the X in the corrner of your screen |
| 05:48.46 | BIYA | you wish |
| 05:48.46 | blast007 | changing it afterwards in the bzw would be easy....just tell your text editor to replace all instances of .jpeg with .png |
| 05:48.59 | JeffM2501 | that's too "complex" for him |
| 05:49.03 | JeffM2501 | he needs a button |
| 05:49.07 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 05:49.08 | JeffM2501 | called "make neat map" |
| 05:49.19 | blast007 | "make it work, now" |
| 05:49.26 | BIYA | Im good with maps but not meshes |
| 05:49.32 | wegstar | ... |
| 05:49.33 | JeffM2501 | maps ARE meshes |
| 05:49.37 | wegstar | heh |
| 05:49.48 | JeffM2501 | materials have nothhing to do with meshes |
| 05:49.48 | BIYA | i mean objects made in a 3D editor |
| 05:50.11 | JeffM2501 | you have to deal with materials in maps as well |
| 05:50.25 | BIYA | yes I know |
| 05:50.41 | JeffM2501 | then why is converting your material texture refs to png "hard"? |
| 05:50.49 | BIYA | but no map I have made has hd more faces to texture than this friggin mesh |
| 05:50.59 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 05:51.08 | BIYA | Well if you give me a chance to try to do it then I will... brb |
| 05:51.24 | blast007 | :/ |
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| 07:55.54 | MariomariO75 | hi! |
| 07:56.59 | MariomariO75 | I'm searching some docs about how to write bzflag maps.... |
| 07:57.14 | MariomariO75 | do U know where I can find them? |
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| 08:45.27 | brlcad | For everyone's edification, the Mac OS X .dmg is posted and ready for download (sf file release system) -- let me know if there are any problems obtaining/running it. |
| 08:45.54 | Pimpinella | dmg? |
| 08:45.59 | brlcad | it "should" be 10.2 compatible, but I didn't get ahold of anyone on 10.2 to testing |
| 08:46.15 | brlcad | disk mounting image |
| 08:46.26 | Pimpinella | ah, DV will be happy |
| 08:46.46 | brlcad | dmg is akin to an iso |
| 08:47.03 | brlcad | with some extra functionality optionally available |
| 08:47.44 | Pimpinella | it's the thing you can use for drag and drop installation thing, correct? |
| 08:48.10 | brlcad | it's the delivery mechanism for that, so in a way yes |
| 08:48.16 | Pimpinella | k |
| 08:48.42 | brlcad | it let's me place the application on a self-mounting disk image that pops up a window when downloaded by the user |
| 08:49.01 | brlcad | the window has a nice bz image background with instructions to drag n' drop the app wherever they like |
| 08:49.54 | brlcad | i love apt, but I have to say that the preferred mac drag-anywhere-to-install method takes the cake |
| 08:50.11 | brlcad | unfortunately not many apps actually do the drag'n'drop install method |
| 08:50.47 | brlcad | if you have to do anything during install, like run a script or install in specific ways -- you have to use a package maker package |
| 08:50.53 | Pimpinella | does it also support clean uninstall? |
| 08:51.05 | brlcad | sure, drag it to the trash |
| 08:51.13 | Pimpinella | ic, nice |
| 08:51.15 | brlcad | they are truely self-contained applications |
| 08:53.09 | ToughShooter | In most cases, prefs are still present and have to be deleted after trashing the app if you want to get rid of all traces |
| 08:53.10 | brlcad | and if youre not mouse-inclined, the method equates just the same as a cp -R bzflag.app /some/where/. and rm -rf /some/where/bzflag.app |
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| 08:54.20 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: Have you banned T-Online? |
| 08:54.45 | Pimpinella | not me, prolly somebody else, lemme c |
| 08:55.47 | Pimpinella | no, doesn't seem so |
| 08:56.18 | ToughShooter | I can't log-in with BZFlag client, only bzadmin works and that reports me some error |
| 08:58.19 | ToughShooter | Hmm, now it works without errors with bzadmin. :-/ |
| 08:58.34 | Pimpinella | a lot of 217/24 |
| 08:58.41 | Pimpinella | but not yours |
| 08:59.27 | ToughShooter | It states 100.0% (2357/2357) when trying to connect from client |
| 09:00.55 | ToughShooter | Oh, deleting cache fixed the problem |
| 09:07.21 | Pimpinella | k :) |
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| 13:20.52 | CBG | hi again |
| 13:20.53 | CBG | :) |
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| 14:18.11 | cristi | :) |
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| 16:03.24 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || The next person to tease SportChick about her jitter will be kicked, and it's not hardware |
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| 16:03.48 | spldart | Hi ibot :p |
| 16:10.29 | SportChick | ~Thumper++ |
| 16:10.34 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 16:10.50 | Thumper_ | except it's Thumper_ |
| 16:23.14 | jpa- | and he is not nice :( |
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| 16:31.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:31.41 | wegstar | hi jeffm2501 |
| 16:34.35 | Thumper_ | jpa-: hehe |
| 16:35.19 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2502 (~JeffM@users.gibbscam.com) |
| 16:35.20 | Thumper_ | ~karma Thumper |
| 16:35.20 | ibot | thumper has karma of 3 |
| 16:35.35 | Thumper_ | ~karma Thumper_ |
| 16:35.35 | ibot | thumper_ has karma of 1 |
| 16:35.53 | CBG | ~karma CBG |
| 16:35.53 | ibot | cbg has karma of -1 |
| 16:35.57 | CBG | huh? |
| 16:35.59 | Thumper_ | ~karma jpa- |
| 16:35.59 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -1 |
| 16:36.01 | CBG | whats that mean? lol |
| 16:36.09 | Thumper_ | ~karma jpa_ |
| 16:36.09 | ibot | jpa_ has neutral karma |
| 16:36.18 | Thumper_ | ~jpa-++ |
| 16:37.20 | CBG | whats it mean? |
| 16:38.09 | JeffM2502 | it means nothing |
| 16:38.28 | CBG | lol. ok |
| 16:38.46 | wegstar | ~karma wegstar |
| 16:38.46 | ibot | wegstar has karma of 7 |
| 16:38.52 | wegstar | ooh |
| 16:40.55 | JeffM2502 | TimRiker, ping |
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| 16:54.06 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:54.34 | *** join/#bzflag uidzero (~uidzero@server.bsdhacker.org) |
| 16:54.51 | uidzero | in FreeBSD, is there an option to NOT install bzflag, just bzfs? |
| 16:54.57 | uidzero | via ports. |
| 16:55.16 | JeffM2502 | some systems have a bzflag-server package |
| 16:55.20 | JeffM2502 | dono if bsd does |
| 16:55.26 | uidzero | I'll look now. |
| 16:55.36 | JeffM2502 | debian does |
| 16:55.43 | uidzero | nope. :| |
| 16:55.52 | uidzero | master# ls | grep bzf |
| 16:55.52 | uidzero | bzflag |
| 16:55.52 | uidzero | master# |
| 16:56.06 | JeffM2502 | it's not much more data |
| 16:56.12 | JeffM2502 | you don't have to USE the client |
| 16:56.29 | uidzero | Right but, will it check dependencies and install X and all that? |
| 16:56.36 | JeffM2502 | agg |
| 16:56.41 | JeffM2502 | build from source :) |
| 16:56.52 | JeffM2502 | dono how your package system works |
| 16:56.57 | uidzero | :) |
| 16:56.59 | uidzero | Thanks. ' |
| 16:56.59 | JeffM2502 | it may try to install that stuff |
| 16:57.21 | uidzero | I'll try, if it does, IU'll go with the source instead. :) |
| 16:58.11 | JeffM2502 | your package system dosn't have a way to force no dependencys? |
| 16:58.39 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d54C34D0B.access.telenet.be) |
| 16:59.53 | uidzero | I'm sure it does, I just don't know if it does. :) |
| 17:00.29 | uidzero | Oh well., I have plenty of spacve. :) |
| 17:00.32 | uidzero | space |
| 17:05.31 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz (~c02b41f5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:07.51 | uidzero | ~bzquery bzflag.bsdhacker.org |
| 17:07.58 | uidzero | Or something. |
| 17:07.59 | uidzero | :) |
| 17:09.15 | JeffM2502 | ~bzfquery bzflag.bsdhacker.org |
| 17:09.37 | uidzero | Ahh |
| 17:09.43 | uidzero | Thanks. |
| 17:09.46 | JeffM2502 | sure |
| 17:14.06 | Pimpinella | uidzero: brlcad surely knows |
| 17:14.39 | uidzero | Thanks, I just went ahead and installed all of it. |
| 17:27.37 | *** join/#bzflag bz6543 (~3e41facd@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:35.33 | uidzero | Ahh, better. :) |
| 17:35.39 | uidzero | New server up and running. |
| 17:36.39 | CBG | JeffM2502: Is the new mac versio up yet? |
| 17:38.15 | uidzero | no idea. |
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| 17:47.45 | blast007 | CBG: it's up there |
| 17:47.52 | blast007 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248&package_id=53923&release_id=316613 |
| 17:47.58 | CBG | ah. ok. thanks :D |
| 17:48.36 | blast007 | if you even want to check what version is up, you can look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzflag/ |
| 17:49.05 | CBG | i know... but i was on here, but not on the internet, so it was easier to ask Jeff if he had put it up... |
| 17:49.15 | CBG | but thanks anyway! :D |
| 17:50.00 | jpa- | jeff is a busy person :) |
| 17:50.41 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:51.58 | Death-Barrel | anyone know who lady k and gabow are ? |
| 17:57.44 | SportyGal | I do |
| 17:57.47 | SportyGal | why? |
| 17:57.56 | JeffM2502 | CBC what does your web browser say to you? |
| 17:58.03 | SportyGal | Death-Barrel: I know them |
| 17:58.08 | JeffM2502 | or CBG even |
| 17:58.31 | CBG | Jeff: where? |
| 17:59.27 | *** join/#bzflag tapo (~tapo@p50928346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:59.44 | JeffM2502 | about the mac version |
| 17:59.50 | JeffM2502 | it's allways best to look before you ask |
| 18:00.00 | CBG | where? |
| 18:00.05 | CBG | what do you mean? |
| 18:00.26 | JeffM2502 | well common sense would dictate that if we posted a new mac build it would be in the same place the OLD mac build was |
| 18:00.32 | JeffM2502 | did you look there first? |
| 18:00.48 | CBG | no. i couldn't remember the site and was downloading an update for my browser |
| 18:01.02 | CBG | and I saw you were on here, so I asked... |
| 18:01.05 | JeffM2502 | you can't remember www.bzflag.org? |
| 18:01.06 | JeffM2502 | wow |
| 18:01.18 | CBG | you can get it there? |
| 18:01.28 | CBG | well. sorry then. |
| 18:01.33 | JeffM2502 | that site has links to sourceforge |
| 18:01.40 | JeffM2502 | the same place you got all other versions from |
| 18:01.40 | CBG | oh. :( sorry... |
| 18:02.24 | Death-Barrel | SportyGal, cause they are horrible admins :) |
| 18:02.25 | JeffM2502 | a link was also provided for you |
| 18:03.00 | SportyGal | Death-Barrel: I disagree. Do you have something to try and backup your accusation? |
| 18:04.49 | Death-Barrel | yeah |
| 18:05.06 | Death-Barrel | they banned me cause i said WTF?? shot right through you to gabow |
| 18:05.25 | uidzero | ~bzfquery bzflag.bsdhacker.org |
| 18:05.31 | uidzero | Uhm |
| 18:05.52 | CBG | Jeff: what link was provided? when? |
| 18:06.04 | JeffM2502 | 1) on bzbb |
| 18:06.13 | JeffM2502 | 2) here just after you asked |
| 18:06.14 | Death-Barrel | that is a power freaked admin IMO |
| 18:06.24 | JeffM2502 | 3) in the builds section on sf |
| 18:06.27 | Death-Barrel | needless to say i won't go back to that server |
| 18:06.28 | CBG | bzbb??? |
| 18:06.38 | CBG | 2) AFTER I asked... |
| 18:06.39 | JeffM2502 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 18:06.50 | JeffM2502 | the place you go to register for the game |
| 18:06.52 | CBG | 3) I didnt know the address to thats site |
| 18:07.02 | uidzero | I wonder why query can't see my server but, I can connect to it. |
| 18:07.06 | SportyGal | Death-Barrel: wtf is considered cussing on sp |
| 18:07.06 | JeffM2502 | so you don't even know where you got the first one? |
| 18:07.09 | SportyGal | it is not permitted |
| 18:07.10 | CBG | i have never 'registered' for the game.... |
| 18:07.26 | CBG | Jeff: I dont remember the url, no. |
| 18:07.27 | JeffM2502 | how did you get the game the first time? |
| 18:07.39 | CBG | Jeff: I downloaded... |
| 18:07.44 | JeffM2502 | it's just in the game every single time you start it :) |
| 18:07.52 | CBG | but that was over 6 months ago - I forgot the URL |
| 18:07.59 | SportyGal | Death-Barrel: think about what the last letter of "wtf" stands for. Then, you were typing scrambled characters that cannot be distinguished from cussing unless you have access to the logs. We don't allow that on sp either. |
| 18:08.01 | CBG | what is? |
| 18:08.05 | JeffM2502 | the URL |
| 18:08.12 | CBG | huh? |
| 18:08.19 | CBG | there is no url in the game...? |
| 18:08.27 | SportyGal | Death-Barrel: you were only banned for a day. I have taken it off, but ask you to observe the rules if you play there again |
| 18:08.29 | JeffM2502 | the game shows the website URL in the chat box every time it starts |
| 18:08.40 | CBG | oh... does it? |
| 18:08.45 | JeffM2502 | yeah |
| 18:08.45 | SportyGal | Death-Barrel: we have lots of young kids and their parents that play there |
| 18:08.46 | JeffM2502 | reading is fun |
| 18:08.48 | JeffM2502 | try it |
| 18:08.54 | CBG | lol. Look |
| 18:09.00 | CBG | I have exams in 2 months |
| 18:09.10 | CBG | I dont have the brain space to remmeber Urls... |
| 18:09.20 | CBG | ill go bookmark the sites now |
| 18:09.35 | CBG | so you dont have to waste your precious time ranting at me ever again |
| 18:09.39 | CBG | Alright, mate? |
| 18:10.02 | spldart | :-( |
| 18:10.04 | JeffM2502 | huh? |
| 18:10.06 | JeffM2502 | ranting? |
| 18:10.16 | JeffM2502 | I'm just saying use some common sense that's all |
| 18:10.24 | JeffM2502 | you haven't seen me rant :) |
| 18:10.27 | JeffM2502 | it's fun |
| 18:10.29 | CBG | Then why did we just go on a bout it for 10 mins? |
| 18:10.31 | CBG | sheeesh |
| 18:10.36 | JeffM2502 | it involves chickens :) |
| 18:10.41 | CBG | Im sorry I asked for help, OK??? |
| 18:10.48 | JeffM2502 | why? |
| 18:10.51 | Death-Barrel | yeah thx SportyGal, but next time a good admin would have said something besides "don't cuss" |
| 18:10.54 | CBG | why what? |
| 18:10.58 | Death-Barrel | which i didn't |
| 18:10.59 | JeffM2502 | why are you sorry? |
| 18:11.01 | uidzero | Can anyone else connect to bzflag.bsdhacker.org? |
| 18:11.08 | Death-Barrel | and i was trying to explain but got banned before i could |
| 18:11.13 | CBG | because it seems your getting rather distraught |
| 18:11.14 | uidzero | Ohh, DNS might not have updated yet. |
| 18:11.21 | uidzero | Uhm |
| 18:11.22 | JeffM2502 | ohh no I'm not distraught |
| 18:11.24 | CBG | you could have just posted the url and left it at that |
| 18:11.25 | JeffM2502 | not at all |
| 18:11.30 | CBG | you didnt have to do anything |
| 18:11.35 | JeffM2502 | somone else had allrady done it |
| 18:11.35 | CBG | blast posted the url... |
| 18:11.44 | uidzero | nmap shows the port isn't listening. |
| 18:11.44 | SportyGal | Death-Barrel: they did |
| 18:11.44 | CBG | EXACTLY |
| 18:11.49 | Death-Barrel | no they didn't |
| 18:11.52 | CBG | so why have you brought it back up? |
| 18:11.54 | JeffM2502 | and I asume people who are looking for something would know where to look |
| 18:11.56 | uidzero | uidzero bzfs 76727 5 tcp4 *:5154 *:* |
| 18:12.03 | uidzero | Uhm |
| 18:12.03 | CBG | well i didnt |
| 18:12.07 | uidzero | Firewall, brb. |
| 18:12.08 | CBG | i diddnt know it was there |
| 18:12.09 | JeffM2502 | fair nuf |
| 18:12.18 | CBG | SO - I - ASKED... |
| 18:12.22 | CBG | alright? |
| 18:12.24 | JeffM2502 | OK |
| 18:12.26 | JeffM2502 | are you done? |
| 18:12.31 | SportyGal | Death-Barrel: yes they did - I'm looking at the logs. AND you argued, which is another basis for being kicked |
| 18:12.33 | JeffM2502 | cus I was a bit ago |
| 18:12.40 | Death-Barrel | yes i argued |
| 18:12.47 | Death-Barrel | cause it was an unjustified ban |
| 18:13.00 | JeffM2502 | Death-Barrel, they make the rules |
| 18:13.02 | Death-Barrel | but they didn't explain anything to me besides "don't cuss" |
| 18:13.05 | JeffM2502 | they can ban for whatever |
| 18:13.07 | JeffM2502 | deal with it |
| 18:13.08 | Death-Barrel | "one more time and you are gone" |
| 18:13.16 | Death-Barrel | JeffM2501, yeah i know |
| 18:13.21 | Death-Barrel | it isn't my server |
| 18:13.28 | brlcad | hehe, that bz contest just took a cool twist |
| 18:13.31 | JeffM2502 | take it up with the ops in private |
| 18:13.37 | JeffM2502 | and see what the deal is |
| 18:13.40 | spldart | I doubt an unjustified ban exists on the server owners part |
| 18:13.44 | JeffM2502 | SP takes there admins very seripusly |
| 18:13.59 | JeffM2502 | so saying one of them is bad is a large insult and does not help your case |
| 18:14.10 | JeffM2502 | best to allways start by just asking "why was I baned" |
| 18:14.29 | uidzero | ~bzfquery bzflag.bsdhacker.org |
| 18:14.38 | uidzero | Uhm |
| 18:14.45 | brlcad | why was I baned |
| 18:14.54 | JeffM2502 | for being too GQ |
| 18:15.06 | spldart | heh |
| 18:15.10 | brlcad | is that like playing EQ too much? |
| 18:15.16 | JeffM2502 | somewhat |
| 18:15.19 | brlcad | go from EQ to FQ to GQ |
| 18:15.22 | JeffM2502 | but with gell in your hair |
| 18:15.32 | brlcad | girl quest? |
| 18:15.36 | brlcad | gel quest? |
| 18:15.43 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:15.44 | JeffM2502 | you have to quest for them.....? |
| 18:16.06 | uidzero | ~bzfquery bzflag.bsdhacker.org |
| 18:16.13 | uidzero | WTH. |
| 18:16.43 | JeffM2502 | #5 is easy |
| 18:16.52 | brlcad | yeah, but creative |
| 18:17.02 | JeffM2502 | very |
| 18:17.08 | uidzero | http://pastebin.com/264854 |
| 18:17.11 | uidzero | Any ideas? |
| 18:17.16 | brlcad | they've all been "easy" .. but this takes the creativity cake :) |
| 18:18.07 | brlcad | uidzero: firewall |
| 18:18.10 | uidzero | Is it bad to run a bzfs as root? |
| 18:18.18 | uidzero | brlcad: Security level. :) |
| 18:18.20 | brlcad | not recommended, but no, not bad |
| 18:18.47 | Nidhoggr | Death-Barrel: you were pushing their buttons on purpose. if it was me, I'da left the ban. |
| 18:19.09 | brlcad | ooh, Nidhoggr has buttons |
| 18:19.21 | JeffM2501 | stupid double click |
| 18:19.37 | orchid | heh |
| 18:20.17 | JeffM2501 | what DB push somone's Button!!!!!!! he'd NEVER do that! ;) |
| 18:20.18 | SportyGal | Nidhoggr: I'm about to put it back on - he's arguing with me in pm now |
| 18:20.20 | brlcad | uidzero: i hope you don't mean ms firewall security levels :) |
| 18:20.20 | Death-Barrel | Nidhoggr, it was a test to see if you really knew if i was cussing or not |
| 18:20.23 | Death-Barrel | which i wasn't |
| 18:20.32 | SportyGal | ~Nidhoggr++ |
| 18:20.42 | uidzero | brlcad: haha No, FreeBSD. |
| 18:20.43 | uidzero | :) |
| 18:20.55 | Nidhoggr | if you'd visit the rules page, you'd see it was against the rules to argue with the admins. |
| 18:21.01 | Nidhoggr | they had every right to ban you. |
| 18:21.05 | Death-Barrel | already did |
| 18:21.08 | Nidhoggr | they waited plenty of time before doing it. |
| 18:21.15 | JeffM2501 | jpa I had that replaced with mag stripe reader |
| 18:21.20 | uidzero | Still no showing up but, I can connect to it. |
| 18:21.30 | Death-Barrel | i don't agree with it cause technically i wasn't cussing |
| 18:21.37 | Death-Barrel | #%$%#$%$ is not a cuss word |
| 18:21.38 | Nidhoggr | the admins don't know that |
| 18:21.40 | Death-Barrel | but ok |
| 18:21.43 | Death-Barrel | its your server |
| 18:21.45 | Nidhoggr | and neither does the rest of the server. |
| 18:21.45 | spldart | Look out he wants us to swipe are credit cards :eek: |
| 18:21.51 | jpa- | JeffM2501: does that mean you won't explode? |
| 18:21.52 | Death-Barrel | they would if they read the logs |
| 18:21.57 | spldart | are=our |
| 18:21.59 | Nidhoggr | they CAN'T |
| 18:22.10 | Nidhoggr | only full admins can. |
| 18:22.10 | uidzero | brlcad: Can you connect to bzflag.bsdhacker.org or resolve it even? |
| 18:22.18 | Death-Barrel | well i am sorry for any misunderstanding |
| 18:22.50 | Nidhoggr | only people who can read the logs are me, sporty, wiz, hoon, and boof. |
| 18:22.57 | Nidhoggr | and scipio and vicious |
| 18:23.05 | Death-Barrel | ok |
| 18:23.12 | Nidhoggr | and they are not all in the habit of looking, because it's not easy. |
| 18:24.01 | uidzero | Client called, bbiab. |
| 18:24.04 | Nidhoggr | ops are told to keep any arguing to minimum, and keep peace on the server. it's their job to ban quickly if it escallates. |
| 18:24.29 | Nidhoggr | apology accepted. |
| 18:24.34 | Death-Barrel | ok i hear ya |
| 18:24.36 | Nidhoggr | I need lunch. back later. |
| 18:24.42 | Nidhoggr | & |
| 18:24.44 | Death-Barrel | :) |
| 18:25.21 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, ping 2 |
| 18:25.53 | brlcad | uidzero: it does resolve |
| 18:25.59 | *** join/#bzflag tango_ (~nome@adsl-ull-22-119.44-151.net24.it) |
| 18:26.10 | brlcad | uidzero: and I can connect |
| 18:26.14 | brlcad | tcp |
| 18:26.17 | brlcad | dunno about udp |
| 18:28.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I wana know who sat down and busted out all those legos |
| 18:28.27 | *** join/#bzflag Fuddl (~fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7) |
| 18:28.37 | JeffM2501 | they should have done it to scale |
| 18:28.54 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (~james@adsl-70-240-230-188.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 18:29.08 | brlcad | JeffM2501: hehe |
| 18:30.33 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz (~c02b41f5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:32.05 | DTRemenak | wow. Somebody has too much time on thier hands :) |
| 18:32.25 | CBG | Any Guleague site Admins on? |
| 18:32.47 | CBG | I got a league site system message telling me that " " has joined my team.... - odd. |
| 18:37.15 | *** join/#bzflag newbie_dont (~janko@dlx57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 18:39.11 | *** join/#bzflag VIP346 (~VIP346@adsl-67-121-190-35.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 18:46.48 | *** join/#bzflag WolverineJrDUB (~Wolverine@d81-211-178-227.cust.tele2.it) |
| 18:55.47 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:02.25 | uidzero | brlcad: Uhm, thanks. |
| 19:03.17 | brlcad | uidzero: add -d -d -d to your server config |
| 19:03.25 | brlcad | see if the list server forms a connection |
| 19:04.10 | uidzero | I have two already. |
| 19:04.44 | brlcad | add three for testing |
| 19:05.02 | brlcad | level three includes communication |
| 19:06.07 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (~brad2901@ACD483F4.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:06.14 | *** part/#bzflag tapo (~tapo@p50928346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:06.53 | uidzero | http://pastebin.com/264884 |
| 19:07.00 | uidzero | When I connect with bzadmin. |
| 19:07.08 | uidzero | (I'm using my DNS servers as well.) |
| 19:07.13 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@198.150.76.4) |
| 19:07.23 | uidzero | But, when I nmap my server... I don't see the port as open. |
| 19:07.36 | uidzero | Or does it only open when requested? |
| 19:07.51 | uidzero | I can get in the game as well and connect to it. |
| 19:08.16 | brlcad | what's the "problem" you're trying to solve? |
| 19:09.08 | uidzero | No one besides myself can connect to it. |
| 19:09.19 | uidzero | (Different IPs totally.) |
| 19:09.27 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD483F4.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:09.30 | uidzero | Can you "dig bzflag.bsdhacker.org" ? |
| 19:09.49 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup bzflag.bsdhacker.org |
| 19:09.59 | uidzero | Uhm |
| 19:10.03 | JeffM2501 | you have a router? |
| 19:10.07 | uidzero | That's not the right IP. |
| 19:10.17 | brlcad | so that's the problem |
| 19:10.18 | JeffM2501 | then fix your DNS thru noip :) |
| 19:10.18 | uidzero | FreeBSD server/firewall. |
| 19:10.22 | brlcad | just have to wait for the dns update |
| 19:10.29 | JeffM2501 | you just need to do an update |
| 19:10.34 | JeffM2501 | ibot used to connect |
| 19:10.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm beting your dynamic lease expired |
| 19:10.52 | JeffM2501 | just reupdate noip |
| 19:10.57 | uidzero | Dynamic? It's a static IP. :) |
| 19:11.01 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:11.06 | JeffM2501 | then fix your IP with your DNS host |
| 19:11.24 | brlcad | bzflag.bsdhacker.org. 83198 IN A 69.45.66.148 |
| 19:11.25 | JeffM2501 | you using noip.com right? |
| 19:11.46 | uidzero | No |
| 19:11.48 | brlcad | doesn't look like it |
| 19:11.53 | uidzero | brlcad: Right, that's the Ip. |
| 19:12.02 | uidzero | JeffM2501: No, I have a static on a T1 line. |
| 19:12.05 | JeffM2501 | then it's just propgation issues |
| 19:12.08 | uidzero | Ok |
| 19:12.11 | orange | check that zone serial number |
| 19:12.14 | brlcad | uidzero: so it's just a matter of waiting for that to propagate -- I assume you set/changed the ip recently |
| 19:12.15 | orange | it's a common error |
| 19:12.20 | uidzero | I doubled checked my DNS zone files. |
| 19:12.27 | uidzero | *nods* |
| 19:12.50 | uidzero | A server I admin in Canada see's it. |
| 19:12.50 | brlcad | so give it a day .. if ibot doesn't update recheck your zone files |
| 19:12.56 | orange | yeah, but what does that server use to do lookups? |
| 19:13.11 | brlcad | ibot's undoubtedly cached |
| 19:13.28 | JeffM2501 | at the least on the ISP side |
| 19:13.51 | uidzero | Ok |
| 19:14.37 | orange | you do have a 24-hour expiration on it |
| 19:15.57 | uidzero | *nods* |
| 19:16.21 | uidzero | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.30 | brlcad | looks like the current has 23.1 hour expiration |
| 19:17.00 | brlcad | though my math could be wrong |
| 19:17.46 | uidzero | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.46 | JeffM2501 | maybe they have linuxhacker or something |
| 19:20.12 | uidzero | Must be. |
| 19:20.18 | uidzero | All mine are on static IPs. :) |
| 19:20.36 | JeffM2501 | well you can use noip for statics |
| 19:20.42 | uidzero | Ohh |
| 19:20.47 | uidzero | I careless to. :) |
| 19:20.47 | JeffM2501 | they provide DNS for many reasons |
| 19:21.00 | uidzero | Never messed with them. |
| 19:21.16 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda a cool DNS system |
| 19:21.18 | JeffM2501 | updates in 5min |
| 19:21.24 | JeffM2501 | works with statics or dynamics |
| 19:22.23 | JeffM2501 | they have a number of domains they use for free subdomains |
| 19:22.29 | JeffM2501 | thought bsdhacker was one |
| 19:22.37 | JeffM2501 | similar to the "kicks-as.net" ones |
| 19:24.51 | uidzero | Ahh. |
| 19:24.55 | uidzero | I have |
| 19:25.00 | uidzero | err |
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| 19:43.17 | cosmos | Dear sir we readz ur article criticzing linux and were very upset to find u |
| 19:43.17 | cosmos | making untruths and bad statements about linux which is revolutionary os and |
| 19:43.17 | cosmos | is giving kids the ability to be computer genius today. U should be ashamed |
| 19:43.17 | cosmos | and i hope Pres Bush sends you to Iraq as punishment for your hate. I am |
| 19:43.17 | cosmos | a student in advanced computer science in 9th grade and hope people like |
| 19:43.17 | cosmos | you are gone from workplace when i graduate or get fired. |
| 19:44.39 | JeffM2501 | where was that posted? |
| 19:45.29 | cosmos | it was emailed to me. i think they found an old copy of an article I wrote lambasting linux a few years back |
| 19:45.45 | cosmos | where i dont know but ive had the same email since the early 90s |
| 19:45.50 | cosmos | god i weep for the future |
| 19:45.54 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 19:46.06 | JeffM2501 | 9th grade |
| 19:46.10 | JeffM2501 | advanced |
| 19:46.14 | JeffM2501 | same sentance |
| 19:46.35 | JeffM2501 | they MUST have a website |
| 19:46.43 | cosmos | i responded back telling him how sorry i was that his parents were able to conceive. i then informed him i was too old for the military but thanks for the vote of confidence |
| 19:47.54 | SportyGal | hey cosmos. how are things on your servers today? seems relatively quiet on sp |
| 19:48.12 | cosmos | one issue this am that orange got |
| 19:48.14 | cosmos | nothing else |
| 19:48.15 | JeffM2501 | ohh no, she's just cursed it |
| 19:48.31 | SportyGal | hehe |
| 19:48.54 | cosmos | i figure after you ban about 20 class A's things start quieting down |
| 19:49.19 | SportyGal | hehe |
| 19:51.47 | cosmos | a constitutional ammendment to ban the teaching of evolution. sigh |
| 19:52.20 | SportyGal | :) |
| 19:52.50 | SportyGal | what about a constitutional amendment to permit the teaching of creationism? |
| 19:52.59 | cosmos | apparently IMAX theatres are being barred from showing science films depecting evolution which spurred this |
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| 19:53.32 | cosmos | what about a consitituional ammendment to ban texans |
| 19:54.20 | JeffM2501 | how bout an amendement to let em teach common sense |
| 19:54.32 | cosmos | apparently that is not possible in the US |
| 19:54.40 | JeffM2501 | don't think it is |
| 19:54.50 | JeffM2501 | gotta have an amendent for everything |
| 19:54.55 | cosmos | these kids are defective send them back |
| 19:55.07 | spldart | cosmos doesn't like me :( |
| 19:55.09 | JeffM2501 | in england you can fix em in the womb now |
| 19:57.14 | JeffM2501 | if your gonna teach one then you should teach them all |
| 19:57.21 | cosmos | eh spldart? |
| 19:57.28 | spldart | I'mma texan |
| 19:57.48 | cosmos | heh |
| 19:57.58 | JeffM2501 | are ya bastage texan? |
| 19:58.20 | uidzero | ~bzfquery bzflag.bsdhacker.org |
| 19:58.23 | spldart | que? |
| 19:58.25 | uidzero | :| |
| 19:58.28 | spldart | bastage texan? |
| 19:58.39 | uidzero | Bass tued Texan. |
| 19:58.47 | uidzero | turd too/ |
| 19:58.57 | spldart | que? |
| 19:59.17 | uidzero | como sai va? |
| 19:59.32 | cosmos | we made a mistake. its time we let the south secede from the union. |
| 20:00.38 | spldart | Texas can stand on it's own as a republic again ;) |
| 20:01.26 | Pimpinella | spldart: will you take george w back then? |
| 20:02.14 | spldart | True... I have noticed the bz community is extremely intolerant of religion and conservatives :( |
| 20:02.30 | spldart | I'm not religious but I'm conservative |
| 20:02.34 | cosmos | they are not conservatives |
| 20:02.39 | cosmos | barry goldwater is a conservative |
| 20:02.45 | cosmos | richard nixon is a conservative |
| 20:02.49 | spldart | conservatives and republicans |
| 20:02.57 | spldart | bush is a moderate on the conservative side |
| 20:02.58 | cosmos | these are bible thumping evangelicals |
| 20:03.07 | cosmos | that have hijacked the republican party |
| 20:03.29 | Pimpinella | not me, but this special conservative religious is not very popular in europe ;) |
| 20:03.30 | spldart | IE: |
| 20:06.56 | spldart | LOL at the silence. |
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| 20:13.50 | Pimpinella | spldart: did you expect deeper discussions about infiltration of the republican party? |
| 20:14.51 | spldart | Pimpinella: What are you talking about? |
| 20:15.07 | Pimpinella | <spldart> LOL at the silence. |
| 20:15.12 | spldart | Yeah |
| 20:15.20 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 20:15.21 | spldart | I mention the reactionism |
| 20:15.25 | spldart | people go off |
| 20:15.30 | spldart | I say IE: |
| 20:15.34 | spldart | as a joke |
| 20:15.38 | Pimpinella | IE? |
| 20:15.40 | spldart | and it got dead quiet |
| 20:15.50 | spldart | example: other users fill in the blank |
| 20:16.32 | Pimpinella | noone expects the spanish inquisition |
| 20:16.46 | Pimpinella | what is IE? |
| 20:16.59 | trepan | id est |
| 20:19.04 | spldart | Well... It's off topic anyways so lets drop it now ;) |
| 20:37.29 | cosmos | http://durrrrr.blogspot.com/ |
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| 20:58.30 | spldart | Grr.. Onkyo txds989 is a 8-0 to flash upgrade :( |
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| 21:28.57 | spldart | eeeyyyyuuuwwwaaaaaahhh... Messy |
| 21:29.18 | Pimpinella | cosmos: i have sense for sarcasm, but hell, thats hard... :/ |
| 21:35.42 | orchid | cosmos: pfft |
| 21:36.02 | cosmos | it's not my site. heh |
| 21:38.17 | spldart | That's about as funny as a bag full of hammered dead baby jokes. |
| 21:38.31 | spldart | hehe |
| 21:39.00 | cosmos | i want to get the foxblocker |
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| 21:55.05 | cosmos | s tonight |
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| 22:33.32 | brlcad | spldart: heh |
| 22:33.59 | gina | heh |
| 22:34.17 | spldart | heh |
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| 22:35.44 | cosmos | heh someone spamming hepcat with secretplace rules u suck |
| 22:36.31 | spldart | geez :( |
| 22:37.27 | spldart | I guess I better check the master banlist again tonight to update my file ;) |
| 22:40.59 | JeffM2501 | what username? |
| 22:42.21 | cosmos | blzh |
| 22:46.01 | JeffM2501 | hmm should not be able to speak |
| 22:46.05 | JeffM2501 | they never activated. |
| 22:46.24 | blast007 | does the list server check for being activated? |
| 22:46.31 | JeffM2501 | it had better |
| 22:46.37 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't then it's a HUGE failure |
| 22:46.48 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, ping 3 |
| 22:47.13 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, got an IP? |
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| 22:50.06 | JeffM2501 | bzbb account is removed |
| 22:51.24 | brlcad | heh, neat lil hole then :) |
| 22:53.00 | blast007 | JeffM2501: just checked, and it does look for the user being activated (AND user_active=1) |
| 22:53.14 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:58.14 | spldart | Time to go home :) Work suxored today :( |
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| 23:00.37 | wegstar | ~karma blast007 |
| 23:00.37 | ibot | blast007 has karma of 27 |
| 23:01.47 | cosmos | @40000000424b2f7827f38424 Player SECRETPLACE RULES HEPCAT SUCKS! [13] has joined from 64.192.44.120 |
| 23:02.02 | cosmos | meeting, bbl |
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| 23:04.30 | JeffM2501 | hmm seems like the riker is expreienceing much packetloss today |
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| 23:13.43 | bz0766 | is there a default fould word file and report player file if I would just leave the two blank in config? |
| 23:13.45 | SportyGal | cosmos, what was that? |
| 23:14.03 | JeffM2501 | if you do not specify a world |
| 23:14.06 | JeffM2501 | it will make a random one |
| 23:14.13 | JeffM2501 | if you don't specify a report file |
| 23:14.14 | Aribeth | hi SportyGal |
| 23:14.19 | JeffM2501 | the reports will not be saved |
| 23:14.40 | SportyGal | hi aribeth |
| 23:14.44 | bz0766 | mk, and what about the bad word fie |
| 23:14.48 | bz0766 | file* |
| 23:15.04 | bz0766 | do I create one? and if so do I set it up as a seperate word every line? |
| 23:15.08 | JeffM2501 | then no bad words will be filtered |
| 23:15.15 | SportyGal | cosmos: that blzh guy is the same one who set up the fake server (that was masterbanned) the other day |
| 23:15.50 | JeffM2501 | bz0766, do you want bad world filtering? |
| 23:15.53 | JeffM2501 | do you care? |
| 23:16.01 | bz0766 | *shrugs |
| 23:16.02 | bz0766 | I guess not |
| 23:16.03 | bz0766 | =p |
| 23:16.12 | JeffM2501 | if you don't then you don't need it |
| 23:16.17 | bz0766 | ok, the player report file is a txt? |
| 23:16.28 | JeffM2501 | basicly if you don't put a value in for something leave it blank and some default will happen |
| 23:16.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah the report file is just where it woudl save reports |
| 23:16.50 | JeffM2501 | if you care about reports |
| 23:16.58 | JeffM2501 | if you don't care, then it dosnt' mater |
| 23:16.58 | bz0766 | yeah i wouldn't mind them |
| 23:17.07 | JeffM2501 | then just specify a place for it to save em |
| 23:17.12 | bz0766 | mk oki doke |
| 23:17.21 | JeffM2501 | bzfs makes no default files |
| 23:17.36 | JeffM2501 | it allwys requires a user specifid path to any file it may need to make |
| 23:17.45 | JeffM2501 | because some systems run more then one server. |
| 23:18.27 | bz0766 | mk |
| 23:18.57 | bz0766 | do i need user privilages |
| 23:19.04 | bz0766 | because I'd rather not set those up |
| 23:19.07 | JeffM2501 | do you want to do user registroation? |
| 23:19.20 | bz0766 | no |
| 23:19.24 | JeffM2501 | then nope |
| 23:19.28 | bz0766 | mk |
| 23:19.30 | bz0766 | thank ya |
| 23:19.39 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:20.35 | bz0766 | uh |
| 23:20.36 | bz0766 | heh |
| 23:20.36 | bz0766 | sorry |
| 23:20.37 | bz0766 | but |
| 23:20.43 | bz0766 | there are two types of ctf |
| 23:20.48 | bz0766 | which one for just two teams |
| 23:20.57 | JeffM2501 | the game know only of CTF |
| 23:21.08 | JeffM2501 | you use the MP command to set what ever teams you want to 0 players |
| 23:21.19 | bz0766 | mk |
| 23:21.48 | JeffM2501 | so it'd be like MP 4,0,0,4,0,1 would do like 4 reds, 4 greens and an observer |
| 23:22.18 | bz0766 | mk |
| 23:22.29 | bz0766 | would 4,4,0,0,0,0 be red vs blue? |
| 23:23.03 | brad2901 | 0,4,0,4,0,0 I think |
| 23:23.25 | bz0766 | mk then |
| 23:23.44 | JeffM2501 | that's the idea tho |
| 23:23.59 | JeffM2501 | you just set the teams to 0 and then it becomes 1,2,or 3 team CTF |
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| 23:24.23 | bz0766 | k |
| 23:25.11 | escristian | is the rendering engine based on scene graph? |
| 23:25.34 | JeffM2501 | a scenegraph is just a fancy word for figureing out what to draw and what not to draw |
| 23:25.37 | JeffM2501 | and yes we have one |
| 23:25.45 | JeffM2501 | in z buffer mode we use an octree |
| 23:25.55 | JeffM2501 | in no z buffer mode we use a bsp |
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| 23:25.57 | escristian | where do we create it |
| 23:26.01 | escristian | the scene graph |
| 23:26.07 | JeffM2501 | it's part of the scene class |
| 23:26.15 | JeffM2501 | there isn't a thing called a scenegraph in the code |
| 23:26.22 | JeffM2501 | it's just the word for a concept |
| 23:26.35 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do? |
| 23:26.35 | escristian | yea i saw that i was trying to find the class that wa sin charge of creating it |
| 23:26.47 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 classes for the scene |
| 23:26.49 | escristian | i'm trying to finish my school report lol |
| 23:26.59 | escristian | i'm doing a study on teh architecture of bzflag |
| 23:27.06 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm so very very sorry |
| 23:27.09 | JeffM2501 | it's not well done :) |
| 23:27.42 | escristian | it's better then some of the stuff i've seen in sokme of the companies i worked for |
| 23:27.45 | JeffM2501 | the secene manager and the rendering engine are kind of the same thing |
| 23:27.57 | JeffM2501 | there isn't a clean line betweeen them |
| 23:28.06 | JeffM2501 | everything just calls openGL when it needs to |
| 23:28.18 | LordSarpedon | Tisk tisk |
| 23:28.19 | escristian | that's it opengl seems to be all over the place |
| 23:28.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:28.29 | escristian | there's no real encapsulation of opengl |
| 23:28.33 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 23:28.38 | JeffM2501 | didn't ever need one on the SGI |
| 23:28.39 | LordSarpedon | *shakes head* |
| 23:28.44 | JeffM2501 | since that WAS the OSs stuff |
| 23:28.59 | JeffM2501 | the game was never intended to be cross plat at the start |
| 23:29.07 | JeffM2501 | it needs a total rewrite |
| 23:29.09 | JeffM2501 | we all know it |
| 23:29.13 | JeffM2501 | noone wants to do it tho |
| 23:29.16 | JeffM2501 | since it's a masive task |
| 23:29.19 | LordSarpedon | Funny how 15 year old code needs a rewrite |
| 23:29.21 | escristian | ye massive |
| 23:29.27 | LordSarpedon | Rewrite in Mono |
| 23:29.39 | JeffM2501 | a 15 year old "side project" :) |
| 23:29.59 | LordSarpedon | My 6 month old side projects end up looking worse than this lol |
| 23:30.02 | JeffM2501 | bus basicly there is a scene lib |
| 23:30.11 | escristian | funny thign is i spent so much time researching the game but i ahvent played it for more then 10 minutes |
| 23:30.12 | JeffM2501 | in that is the BZSP scene daatabase |
| 23:30.20 | JeffM2501 | and the Z Scene database |
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| 23:30.25 | JeffM2501 | those are the 2 classes |
| 23:30.36 | JeffM2501 | the Z one uses the octree and occluders |
| 23:30.41 | JeffM2501 | the bsp one does not |
| 23:30.44 | JeffM2501 | and don't realy work well |
| 23:31.00 | escristian | how does the game decide which one to use |
| 23:31.01 | LordSarpedon | Are they used together or one or the other? |
| 23:31.09 | JeffM2501 | if depth buffer is on or off |
| 23:31.14 | LordSarpedon | Ah |
| 23:31.14 | JeffM2501 | if depth is off it's BSP |
| 23:31.22 | JeffM2501 | if it's on then it's the "Z" one |
| 23:31.27 | JeffM2501 | they are duplicates of each other |
| 23:31.30 | escristian | ok |
| 23:31.31 | LordSarpedon | So if the users checks the "Bad performance" box, it uses BSP |
| 23:31.35 | JeffM2501 | but they are both made and kept updated |
| 23:31.41 | JeffM2501 | in case the user swaps at any time. |
| 23:31.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:31.52 | JeffM2501 | one reason why it sucks :) |
| 23:32.36 | LordSarpedon | I want to fix the netcode, but can't even get to the "sucks" level for a renderer for my prrof of cocept.. |
| 23:32.51 | JeffM2501 | get C# working? |
| 23:33.24 | LordSarpedon | I learned that SharpDevelop is a waste of time. It crashes more than anything Ive seen and doesn't have debugging capability |
| 23:33.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:33.41 | LordSarpedon | So no. Axiom seems to bulky anyway |
| 23:34.33 | LordSarpedon | I might be OK with GL bindings, if I can wrap my head around it. One of the main problems I have with 3D in general is getting the transfrom and view matrices right |
| 23:34.54 | JeffM2501 | view matrix is cake |
| 23:34.59 | JeffM2501 | GL even handles that |
| 23:35.07 | JeffM2501 | then just a couple camera transforms |
| 23:35.12 | JeffM2501 | and then your in object space |
| 23:35.12 | LordSarpedon | So how does BZF calculate the transfrom for say, a tank? Does it do it every time from the location and orientation vectors? |
| 23:35.14 | JeffM2501 | done deal |
| 23:35.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah it has to |
| 23:35.26 | JeffM2501 | to put the object in spcae |
| 23:35.39 | JeffM2501 | since it can change every frame |
| 23:35.57 | JeffM2501 | maybe you should look at the bzedit code |
| 23:35.59 | JeffM2501 | it's simpler |
| 23:36.05 | JeffM2501 | and does the same basic transforms |
| 23:36.15 | LordSarpedon | And for gl, how can I put my triangles in a buffer? |
| 23:36.25 | JeffM2501 | that's a list |
| 23:36.25 | LordSarpedon | Bzedit aye...*launches Firefox* |
| 23:36.28 | JeffM2501 | or a vbo |
| 23:36.40 | JeffM2501 | lists work for most things |
| 23:36.54 | JeffM2501 | vbo's can be wicked fast but have formating issues |
| 23:36.58 | JeffM2501 | on difrent cards |
| 23:37.23 | LordSarpedon | I'll stick with lists. (Just don't want to generate a Cube every frame ;P) |
| 23:37.53 | bz0766 | =/ |
| 23:37.57 | JeffM2501 | you have to make a cube every fame |
| 23:38.02 | bz0766 | it's giving me an error : base not defined for blue team |
| 23:38.04 | JeffM2501 | ether by calling the list |
| 23:38.10 | JeffM2501 | bz0766, are you using a map file? |
| 23:38.16 | bz0766 | sure am |
| 23:38.23 | JeffM2501 | does the map have a blue base? |
| 23:38.30 | bz0766 | you tell me : base |
| 23:38.37 | bz0766 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.42 | bz0766 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.49 | bz0766 | for the two bases |
| 23:39.00 | JeffM2501 | those IDs are the same as the teams |
| 23:39.00 | trepan | red, green, blue, purple (1,2,3,4) |
| 23:39.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:39.09 | JeffM2501 | so your red and purple |
| 23:39.14 | bz0766 | oh |
| 23:39.15 | bz0766 | heh |
| 23:39.18 | JeffM2501 | change the 4 to a 3 |
| 23:39.38 | bz0766 | mk |
| 23:39.40 | bz0766 | ty |
| 23:39.41 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, it sounds like you want an engine that will maintain a scenegraph for you |
| 23:39.48 | JeffM2501 | GL is a lot lower then that |
| 23:39.49 | bz0766 | erm, now it's saying no base for green team |
| 23:39.51 | LordSarpedon | Um, yes indeed |
| 23:39.55 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't know what an OBJET is |
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| 23:40.12 | JeffM2501 | what are the teams your defining? |
| 23:40.15 | JeffM2501 | in your MP line |
| 23:40.23 | bz0766 | -mp 3,0,3,0,0,1 |
| 23:40.43 | JeffM2501 | so you want a base at 1 and a base at 3 |
| 23:40.48 | bz0766 | yes |
| 23:40.56 | bz0766 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.04 | bz0766 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.07 | LordSarpedon | how did you implement your renderer for bzedit |
| 23:41.10 | JeffM2501 | on the same base? |
| 23:41.13 | bz0766 | no |
| 23:41.15 | bz0766 | two diff bases |
| 23:41.16 | JeffM2501 | LordSarpedon, it's GL |
| 23:41.19 | JeffM2501 | raw GL |
| 23:41.23 | JeffM2501 | dosn't even do any culling :) |
| 23:41.36 | JeffM2501 | I just typed it in :) |
| 23:41.37 | LordSarpedon | o |
| 23:41.37 | brad2901 | bz0766, the first number is the rogue team |
| 23:41.50 | bz0766 | oh |
| 23:41.50 | bz0766 | heh |
| 23:41.53 | bz0766 | embarassing |
| 23:41.59 | bz0766 | so i want 2 and 4 then |
| 23:42.10 | BIYA | 2 and 3 |
| 23:42.11 | brad2901 | for -mp. |
| 23:42.15 | JeffM2501 | no you want MP to be 0 3,0,3 |
| 23:42.22 | JeffM2501 | rouges don't have bases :) |
| 23:42.28 | bz0766 | heh ok |
| 23:42.34 | BIYA | one time only mistake |
| 23:42.48 | bz0766 | -mp 0 3,0,3,0,1 |
| 23:42.52 | bz0766 | so like that then? |
| 23:43.02 | trepan | + 1 ',' |
| 23:43.06 | bz0766 | oh |
| 23:43.06 | bz0766 | heh |
| 23:43.15 | BIYA | Could there be an easyer way to do that? like -team red_blue |
| 23:43.20 | bz0766 | confusing =) |
| 23:43.24 | BIYA | +team read |
| 23:43.30 | BIYA | oops |
| 23:43.41 | BIYA | +team red +team blue |
| 23:43.49 | trepan | counts? |
| 23:44.02 | BIYA | ? |
| 23:44.09 | bz0766 | heh, if nothing comes up after i type in bzfs -conf is that good then? |
| 23:44.15 | brad2901 | number of players on each team.. |
| 23:44.19 | JeffM2501 | BIYA, your system don't take into account the nubmer of players |
| 23:44.31 | BIYA | -mp 10 |
| 23:44.34 | BIYA | +team red +team blue |
| 23:44.34 | JeffM2501 | bz0766, if you have no -d's in the file yeah |
| 23:44.39 | JeffM2501 | BIYA, how do you split it up? |
| 23:44.43 | JeffM2501 | 9 blues? |
| 23:44.45 | JeffM2501 | 1 red? |
| 23:44.48 | BIYA | autoteam |
| 23:44.54 | JeffM2501 | what if you don't do autoteam? |
| 23:45.11 | JeffM2501 | and how do you define how many rouges? |
| 23:45.12 | BIYA | hmmm...... |
| 23:45.15 | BIYA | okay |
| 23:45.33 | BIYA | +team red{5} +team blue{5} |
| 23:45.49 | BIYA | it will only add those teams |
| 23:45.56 | bz0766 | hmm |
| 23:45.58 | bz0766 | my uh |
| 23:45.59 | BIYA | no rogues, purples, or greens |
| 23:46.06 | bz0766 | display name and discription didn't show up |
| 23:46.24 | bz0766 | holy shiste... and there are TONS of flags.. |
| 23:46.30 | BIYA | lol |
| 23:46.40 | BIYA | +s 60 |
| 23:46.46 | BIYA | -s 60 |
| 23:46.54 | bz0766 | and i can't join the game |
| 23:46.56 | JeffM2501 | mos servers run with some -d -d -d in the config |
| 23:46.56 | bz0766 | heh |
| 23:46.59 | bz0766 | man i mest this up |
| 23:47.03 | BIYA | I do |
| 23:47.04 | JeffM2501 | and don't listen to biya |
| 23:47.34 | bz0766 | mk |
| 23:47.37 | BIYA | I use that to set how many flags there are in my map.... whats the matter with that? |
| 23:47.39 | bz0766 | anyway to fix that stuff then |
| 23:48.04 | LordSarpedon | I suppose I will end up implementing my own scenegraph, since I can't find one for .net |
| 23:48.16 | LordSarpedon | Gonna base it on DX, since gl is simply too low level for this |
| 23:48.31 | JeffM2501 | umm DX is the same level |
| 23:48.43 | JeffM2501 | an array is a simple scenegraph |
| 23:49.35 | JeffM2501 | i mean your still going to have to sove the geo data into a buffer |
| 23:50.15 | bz0766 | why was my computer's name appearing in the title of the room when i have -public "-{CTF}- Cabbage CTF Server: Owned by Cabbage and family." |
| 23:50.43 | LordSarpedon | DX9 supports .net, so I won't have to mess with these bindings and such. We'll see |
| 23:51.00 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (~spldart@cpe-67-10-210-195.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 23:51.59 | BIYA | spldart hey |
| 23:52.03 | spldart | Hey |
| 23:52.21 | spldart | 'Poop' My headlight burned out on my Kawasaki on the way home :( |
| 23:52.42 | BIYA | lol |
| 23:52.53 | escristian | LordSarpedon even if u use DX9 u will need to implement a scenegraph or some kind fo object database |
| 23:53.04 | bz0766 | why does my game get listed as my computer name when i have -public "-{CTF}- Cabbage CTF Server:" |
| 23:53.06 | escristian | OGl and DX9 are at the same level |
| 23:53.43 | BIYA | I think they are ignoring you |
| 23:53.50 | bz0766 | yep =/ |
| 23:55.41 | JeffM2501 | bz0766, probalby becuse you conencted to the lan listing |
| 23:55.46 | JeffM2501 | not the global listing |
| 23:56.48 | bz0766 | ok |
| 23:58.28 | bz0766 | hmm |
| 23:58.39 | bz0766 | is there anyway to check through this chatroom if my server works? |
| 23:58.44 | bz0766 | i think there is, i forget how tho |
| 23:58.53 | JeffM2501 | what is the server address? |
| 23:59.30 | bz0766 | cabbage.servegame.org |
| 23:59.49 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzfquery cabbage.servegame.org |