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| 00:12.55 | Mr_Molez | i get the error cannot load texture: wall |
| 00:13.06 | Mr_Molez | is this a bug ? im using the latest cvs |
| 00:13.17 | Mr_Molez | and the walls look white |
| 00:16.19 | bzflagwiz_ | Mr_Molez - If it says you can't load the texture from a web site, then you need to add that web site to your DownloadAccess.txt file. Otherwise downloading textures from that site is blocked. |
| 00:16.52 | blast007 | wall.png comes with bzflag though |
| 00:16.57 | blast007 | it's for the outer walls |
| 00:17.04 | Mr_Molez | no it doesn't say anything about not being able to download |
| 00:17.11 | blast007 | so make sure it exists in your data directory |
| 00:17.48 | bzflagwiz_ | Did you download any new textures to replace the default ones? |
| 00:17.56 | Mr_Molez | it does |
| 00:18.01 | Mr_Molez | nope |
| 00:18.06 | Mr_Molez | just a basic compile/install |
| 00:18.35 | Mr_Molez | i could have sworn it was working earlier |
| 00:18.59 | Mr_Molez | ive been having problems with my hard drive needing to be fscked maybe that has caused a fault somewhere |
| 00:20.17 | menotume | do you have a --directory option setup ? |
| 00:20.26 | menotume | the 'install' may have changed something |
| 00:20.30 | prop | is it just me or do also others see a bullet hitting a tank but nothing happens to it? |
| 00:21.05 | menotume | yes, prop - that is lag |
| 00:21.10 | menotume | (usually) |
| 00:22.16 | Mr_Molez | ill try recompiling |
| 00:22.35 | prop | ok, is there a lagmeter or something in the game? |
| 00:22.51 | Mr_Molez | type /lagstats |
| 00:22.57 | prop | thanks |
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| 00:50.19 | hepcat | jah_apprentice banned for life by birdie heh |
| 00:50.58 | wegstar | ? |
| 00:50.59 | wegstar | oh |
| 00:51.12 | spldart | why for? |
| 00:51.23 | wegstar | I thought I heard him say "what is ctf?" right before I left... |
| 00:51.34 | hepcat | he was tking people to get their flags and stuff apparently |
| 00:51.41 | hepcat | i think hes also part of the redsoxfan crew |
| 00:51.46 | wegstar | ...oh |
| 00:52.14 | wegstar | and "trained" by someone called Master Jah, apparently... |
| 00:52.49 | hepcat | i havnt had issues with Jah before |
| 00:53.19 | Mr_Molez | that bug i was talking about |
| 00:53.24 | Mr_Molez | i rejoined the game |
| 00:53.29 | Mr_Molez | and the walls were working |
| 00:53.32 | Mr_Molez | so it must be a bug |
| 00:54.08 | hepcat | or a conspiracy |
| 00:55.21 | spldart | yeesh... cheaters |
| 00:59.02 | spldart | I mean... I've been cheating hacking since Apple II+ by using a hex editor on a 5.25 floppy to load up all my Ultima 4 and 5 characters with all potions, spells and HP |
| 00:59.19 | spldart | But never have I cheated on a open game against others. |
| 00:59.38 | PKMOBILE | yeah its pretty lame |
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| 01:10.24 | spldart | I'm still doing ratios like (16-33) on spiralzone :( |
| 01:10.34 | spldart | -17 is no fun :( |
| 01:19.35 | bzflagwiz_ | spldart: I've been there at -17 on spiralzone, and I made the map :) |
| 01:19.48 | spldart | Really? |
| 01:20.06 | spldart | but that was early on in your playing career right? |
| 01:20.23 | bzflagwiz_ | But, remember - I am NOT the owner - owner of secretplace is Nidhoggr |
| 01:20.35 | Aribeth | ahh ye old Ultima 4,5 |
| 01:20.39 | bzflagwiz_ | That score was probably within the last couple of weeks :) |
| 01:20.43 | spldart | hahaha I was JUST typing that question up |
| 01:20.48 | spldart | who owns it. |
| 01:21.10 | bzflagwiz_ | Nidhoggr owns Secretplace |
| 01:21.12 | spldart | That's one of my favorite places to play |
| 01:21.58 | spldart | Any other server's owned by Nidhoggr? |
| 01:22.13 | bzflagwiz_ | he also runs dragon.org |
| 01:22.31 | bzflagwiz_ | Not sure that one has been running lately though... |
| 01:22.36 | spldart | How many maps are public? |
| 01:22.41 | spldart | by him |
| 01:22.50 | spldart | BTW props to you for a really cool map |
| 01:22.57 | bzflagwiz_ | ~bzflag.dragon.org |
| 01:23.09 | spldart | It was the first one I played on when I first started bzflag |
| 01:23.21 | spldart | 2 months ago or so |
| 01:23.24 | spldart | Can't remember.. |
| 01:23.45 | bzflagwiz_ | Thx - although I based it on the previous secretplace map - Spirals 3.0 by bzdoug |
| 01:25.06 | Aribeth | and i based temple of ire partly on spirals |
| 01:25.39 | bzflagwiz_ | Aribeth: I must say - you did a much better job of disquising the fact though :) |
| 01:25.58 | Aribeth | spirals is a good map |
| 01:26.24 | bzflagwiz_ | Yeah - It was just too small to handle larger numbers of players. |
| 01:26.34 | Aribeth | yup |
| 01:26.59 | bzflagwiz_ | And it was just too "empty" with scaled up to a 1200x1200 map |
| 01:27.53 | Aribeth | yes. i added the temples on ire to break things up a bit |
| 01:28.08 | bzflagwiz_ | Has anyone checked out trepan's new test map? It has domes that, when you penetrate them, world weapons start shooting at you like crazy... |
| 01:28.16 | Aribeth | i have |
| 01:28.32 | Aribeth | and i'll have a modded server up soon |
| 01:29.06 | bzflagwiz_ | modded how aribeth? |
| 01:29.15 | Aribeth | the problem with temole of ire in rabbit mode is the rabbit can camp with ST |
| 01:29.52 | bzflagwiz_ | yeah, and wings can be a problem too if there are too many flaps or "resting" places on the way down... |
| 01:29.54 | Aribeth | it will shoot a semi-smart weapon at the rabbit if the rabbit is within the weapons arc |
| 01:30.25 | bzflagwiz_ | even if it is stealthed? |
| 01:30.31 | Aribeth | it wont kill them, but it will give them away |
| 01:30.35 | Aribeth | yes |
| 01:30.59 | spldart | Crap... I've not been on even 2 months... More like 6 weeks |
| 01:31.03 | Aribeth | im working on an addition that will only shoot at the rabbit if it has ST |
| 01:31.09 | bzflagwiz_ | On a completely unrelated note: has anyone seen the "real good foods they go great together" commercial on Nickelodeon? |
| 01:31.23 | Aribeth | no |
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| 01:31.56 | spldart | nope |
| 01:32.26 | bzflagwiz_ | Bunch of people dressed up as vegetables singing about how good they are for kids, then ending up with all of them singing "eat me" at the end of the song...great for the kids... |
| 01:33.03 | Aribeth | lol |
| 01:33.41 | bzflagwiz_ | It is rather hilarious. But now my kids walk around the house singing "so that's why you outta eat me....eat me...eat meeeeeeee!" |
| 01:34.04 | Aribeth | ROFLOL |
| 01:34.11 | prop | does someone know if there are any plans on implementing ipv6 support in the game? |
| 01:35.59 | spldart | My kids were doing that after Adams Family Values... I think.. That thanksgiving play the kids were doing at camp... The turkey kept singing "EAT ME" :eek: |
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| 03:08.15 | amathis | lan56: there? |
| 03:08.21 | lan56 | yes |
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| 03:45.53 | spldart | OMG the #caraudio conference is inhabitited bye kindergarteners |
| 03:47.43 | spldart | heh, bye = by |
| 03:51.44 | Tegan | then we will have to wait a few more decades for an in-dash ogg player at a decent price |
| 03:56.18 | amathis | Tegan: Hola, mi amiga! |
| 03:56.23 | amathis | que pasa? |
| 03:57.12 | Tegan | Hola amathis |
| 03:57.16 | spldart | heh |
| 03:57.39 | Aribeth | hi amathis |
| 03:57.46 | amathis | hola Aribeth |
| 03:58.51 | amathis | Estoy cansado, pero mi bebida sigue siendo llena. |
| 03:59.19 | Aribeth | ??? |
| 03:59.47 | Aribeth | i speak 2 langueges, english and bad english |
| 04:00.02 | amathis | hehhh |
| 04:00.14 | amathis | I am tired, but my drink is still full. |
| 04:00.37 | Aribeth | ahi wiz |
| 04:00.53 | Aribeth | wrong window |
| 04:02.10 | wegstar | ? |
| 04:04.36 | spldart | It's Easter holiday |
| 04:06.40 | spldart | Haga una línea. |
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| 04:47.13 | spldart | Nighty night. I are teh intoxicated and tired... and my drink is empty. Happy Easter!!! |
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| 04:54.36 | Punkus | hi |
| 04:55.03 | Punkus | !seen trepan |
| 04:55.03 | guu | Punkus: trepan was last seen here 10 hours, 31 minutes, and 47 seconds ago saying: <trepan> SnagIt or xvidcap are probably the kind of program he's looking for |
| 04:55.22 | Punkus | hmm... |
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| 04:56.17 | Carnage | anyone up? |
| 04:56.32 | Carnage | need 2 ask a question about graphic cards.. |
| 04:56.49 | Punkus | hi Carnage |
| 04:57.06 | Carnage | hi |
| 04:57.22 | Aribeth | Nvidia |
| 04:57.52 | Aribeth | whats up Carnage? |
| 04:57.59 | Carnage | i have a spair graphic card that i think is better then the one i have in my pc right now.. but i dont have the install disk |
| 04:58.02 | Punkus | Carnage: wats up? |
| 04:58.17 | Aribeth | what card is it? |
| 04:58.22 | Carnage | so if i switch it could i just d/l it online? |
| 04:58.30 | Carnage | its a radeon.. all its says |
| 04:58.41 | Carnage | same as the one in this pc |
| 04:58.42 | MeBigFatGuy | shuld be able to d.l |
| 04:58.45 | MeBigFatGuy | ati |
| 04:58.48 | MeBigFatGuy | ati.com |
| 04:58.49 | Carnage | the series might be differerent |
| 04:58.57 | Aribeth | should be a driver for it at ati |
| 04:59.04 | Carnage | but when i switch it |
| 04:59.11 | Carnage | how do i know what series it is.. |
| 04:59.15 | MeBigFatGuy | can boot in safe mode |
| 04:59.25 | Carnage | .. |
| 04:59.26 | MeBigFatGuy | pnp should tell you the name |
| 04:59.28 | Carnage | <--nub |
| 04:59.38 | Carnage | n00b |
| 04:59.56 | Carnage | pnp? |
| 05:00.00 | Aribeth | i'd go with Nvidia imho |
| 05:00.03 | MeBigFatGuy | plug and play |
| 05:00.14 | Tegan | shouldn't it be in /proc somewhere? |
| 05:00.34 | Aribeth | Carnage, windows? |
| 05:00.38 | Carnage | ya |
| 05:00.39 | MeBigFatGuy | there's really no number? eg: 9200 |
| 05:01.00 | Carnage | it was made in 2000 if that helps.. |
| 05:01.13 | MeBigFatGuy | can you tell what kind of GPU it has? |
| 05:01.19 | Carnage | GPU? |
| 05:01.25 | Aribeth | then its prolly a radion 7500 or such |
| 05:01.28 | Punkus | Aribeth: i'd go with Nvidia imho <-- ya, same |
| 05:01.41 | MeBigFatGuy | graphics procesing unit |
| 05:01.44 | Punkus | i have a really fast one ;) |
| 05:01.45 | MeBigFatGuy | the cpu for a graphics card |
| 05:01.55 | Aribeth | Nvidia = better driver support |
| 05:02.20 | Aribeth | Punkus, i have a geforce 6600 gt 128 |
| 05:02.30 | Punkus | hmm... |
| 05:02.35 | Carnage | ..thx |
| 05:02.39 | Punkus | cant remember what my one is... |
| 05:02.53 | Punkus | i have a geforce somthing somthing |
| 05:02.54 | MeBigFatGuy | http://www2.ati.com/drivers/ati-util-jan-2004.exe |
| 05:02.59 | MeBigFatGuy | that should tell you what it is |
| 05:03.03 | MeBigFatGuy | (once installed) |
| 05:03.04 | Aribeth | its a good card |
| 05:03.10 | Punkus | ya |
| 05:03.12 | Punkus | mine to |
| 05:03.24 | Punkus | powerful thing ! |
| 05:03.29 | Aribeth | i get 140 to 250 fps |
| 05:04.16 | Punkus | it will run ut2k4 on high everything no prob - thats pretty good |
| 05:04.17 | MeBigFatGuy | there's alot of appeal to a free card, as carnage has |
| 05:04.43 | Punkus | this one i got for 80 bucks on trademe |
| 05:05.02 | Aribeth | ahh, mine was 269.00 |
| 05:05.07 | Punkus | LOL |
| 05:05.17 | Punkus | 80 to 120\ |
| 05:05.21 | Punkus | somthing there |
| 05:05.30 | Punkus | not over 120 tho' |
| 05:06.02 | Aribeth | yup, its all sown up here. Fry's electronics has the market in CA |
| 05:06.16 | Punkus | CA ? |
| 05:06.23 | Aribeth | California |
| 05:06.24 | MeBigFatGuy | fornia |
| 05:06.27 | Punkus | thought so... |
| 05:06.44 | Punkus | Aribeth: You live there? |
| 05:06.50 | Aribeth | yup |
| 05:06.57 | Punkus | cool ^_^ |
| 05:07.09 | Punkus | i live in New Zealand |
| 05:07.15 | Aribeth | ahh cool |
| 05:07.24 | Punkus | looonngg way from you! |
| 05:07.39 | Punkus | lol |
| 05:07.49 | Punkus | woop... gtg |
| 05:07.53 | Aribeth | everything in CA costs |
| 05:07.54 | Punkus | bbl |
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| 05:36.35 | Tank_This | !seen Tank |
| 05:36.36 | guu | Tank_This: I have not seen Tank. |
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| 05:42.16 | Tank_This | having the right IRZ progie is ever important, good evening... |
| 05:43.45 | wegstar | ? |
| 05:44.14 | Tank_This | Linux gives you too many of the same programs sometimes, so it's easy to choose the wrong one :P |
| 05:45.14 | Aribeth | i prefer kvirc |
| 05:46.36 | Tank_This | havent tried that one, Aribeth. I'm using the X-IRC I think comes with the KDE package |
| 05:47.00 | Aribeth | its good, very configurable |
| 05:47.06 | Aribeth | nice gui |
| 05:48.26 | Tank_This | URL? |
| 05:48.54 | Aribeth | hummm...i just did an emerge in gentoo |
| 05:49.04 | Aribeth | kvirc.org i think |
| 05:49.31 | Tank_This | thank you |
| 05:49.35 | Aribeth | np |
| 05:50.32 | Tank_This | as long i have a very actively updated OS, I am happy and Fedora does a good job :) |
| 05:51.27 | Aribeth | i like gentoo, very stable, and its based on BSD ports |
| 05:51.50 | Aribeth | dealing with packages/updates is easy |
| 05:52.03 | creeperz | i like windows, updates are easy and so is everything |
| 05:52.13 | creeperz | everything else* |
| 05:52.18 | Aribeth | emerge package-name |
| 05:52.41 | Aribeth | emerge world to update everything |
| 05:52.43 | Tank_This | holy cow that kvirc is sweet... way beyond my single channel mindset :P |
| 05:53.20 | Aribeth | like i said, it rocks |
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| 06:00.18 | jomojo | anyone know why a server would kick automatically for end shot credit? |
| 06:00.50 | MeBigFatGuy | end shot credit? |
| 06:01.45 | jomojo | yeah hepcat kicked a player for "end shot credit: 3" |
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| 06:02.40 | MeBigFatGuy | prolly a custom mod |
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| 06:10.54 | DTRemenak_lap | !seen DTRemenak |
| 06:10.54 | guu | DTRemenak_lap: DTRemenak was last seen here 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 48 minutes, and 25 seconds ago saying: * DTRemenak wanders off to take a shower |
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| 08:12.47 | uso | could it be that caches of 1.10 and 2.0 are incompatible? |
| 08:15.38 | MeBigFatGuy | could be |
| 08:15.49 | MeBigFatGuy | probably are |
| 08:16.56 | uso | so why do they not use different directories?? |
| 08:17.51 | uso | this is probably one of the reasons for the permanent hangings :( |
| 08:21.22 | trepan | what would lead you to believe that is a probable cause for hangings? |
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| 10:18.52 | jpa- | mroning |
| 10:19.10 | jpa- | uso: umm.... 1.10 did not have cache, did it? |
| 10:19.12 | lan56 | morning |
| 10:19.24 | lan56 | server list cache? |
| 10:19.28 | jpa- | ah |
| 10:19.36 | jpa- | i thought he ment map cache |
| 10:20.24 | lan56 | jpa-, excuse me, I apologize I did not see the "uso:" in front |
| 10:20.51 | jpa- | that is fine, i didn't even remember about the list cache |
| 10:21.23 | uso | i mean all under directory cache, what ever it is :) |
| 10:21.37 | jpa- | uh.. |
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| 10:21.51 | jpa- | i'm not exactly sure, but i don't think 1.10 even used it |
| 10:22.00 | jpa- | so what is the problem you are having? |
| 10:22.01 | uso | if there is something incompatible between two versions they should use different directories |
| 10:22.13 | uso | as it is already done with the config |
| 10:23.15 | uso | if i play 1.10 and 2.0 alternating they hang and crash often |
| 10:23.17 | jpa- | patches welcome :) |
| 10:23.29 | uso | it seems to be better if i delete the cache before starting |
| 10:23.48 | uso | at least 1.10 doesn't hang anymore then |
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| 10:24.18 | jpa- | hi birdy |
| 10:24.40 | Birdie | good morning jpa |
| 10:26.00 | uso | jpa-: i'm afraid i'm not good enough for such complicated things, i'm a c++ beginner |
| 10:28.01 | uso | althoug, if the path is a define it should be easy |
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| 10:29.43 | uso | trepan: after i have played 2.0 i could not start 1.10, it always hangs |
| 10:29.56 | uso | after removing cache it runs fine again |
| 10:30.32 | uso | i several times had such hangs or crashes, which disappered after removing the cache |
| 10:31.11 | uso | so it was a guess that there is something incompatible between 1.10 and 2.0 |
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| 12:10.10 | CBG | Hello? |
| 12:11.03 | jpa- | hello. |
| 12:11.24 | CBG | Hi :) |
| 12:11.28 | CBG | Is birdie on? |
| 12:11.42 | jpa- | he was half an hour ago |
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| 12:12.27 | CBG | ooopps.sorry bout that |
| 12:12.38 | CBG | Okay. Well I have to go. If you happen to see birdie again, please please ask him to check his emails. |
| 12:13.00 | jpa- | Birdie: check your email |
| 12:19.58 | Birdie | eh i dont have any emails |
| 12:20.21 | Birdie | oh nvm, its in the spam map |
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| 12:33.44 | CBG | Hello Birdie? |
| 12:35.39 | jpa- | ~CBG-- |
| 12:35.51 | CBG | Hi again jpa :) |
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| 12:38.46 | jpa- | ew |
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| 12:49.28 | Birdie | bah |
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| 15:31.26 | spldart | Anybody here this Easter morning? |
| 15:31.57 | spldart | I've been cleaning the kitchen and doing dishes getting it ready for the wife to do lots of cooking. |
| 15:33.10 | prop | I'm here, but it's not morning anymore where I live :) |
| 15:33.40 | jpa- | prop: no, you may not be here :S |
| 15:33.58 | prop | jpa-, :) |
| 15:34.16 | prop | jpa-, I promise I'll be quiet :) |
| 15:34.43 | jpa- | good :) |
| 15:38.01 | spldart | And don't poop on the furniture? |
| 15:38.22 | spldart | I had a thought this morning (bzflag related) |
| 15:38.31 | spldart | Tell me if this already exists |
| 15:39.42 | spldart | bzfs clients should occasional report back to bz central an abreviated file containing usernames and ip's (registered or no). This condense into a master list that public server owners and admin's could reference for problem players. |
| 15:41.59 | jpa- | umm.. i don't think we want to release client's ip's to the public.. |
| 15:43.07 | spldart | The condensed list would only be accessable to bzfs server owners and admin's. And the list would only contain ip's that play bzfs servers. |
| 15:43.40 | spldart | In other words it would make the info that is already available to admin's more readily accessed |
| 15:45.30 | spldart | The goal is to make it easier for server owners and their cops to track down problem users. |
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| 15:53.31 | spldart | We could even attach a warning flag system. I have a problem user I warn twice but he doesn't cross the line and get kicked or banned. I put a warning oh him that goes to the central database. |
| 15:54.33 | spldart | Some other server is having problems with him and is trying to decide what action to take... Checks the database and finds warnings... Then he will know it's a problem user. Or finds no warnings and decides to leave it at just a warning on his server. |
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| 15:55.48 | spldart | Or a owner could leave a warning manually after he gets several /reportfiles on his server that user (blah) was cheating. |
| 15:56.11 | spldart | brb I'mma take a shower |
| 16:02.43 | jpa- | spldart: but we can't trust server admins :/ |
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| 16:10.01 | spldart | Oh? |
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| 16:10.25 | spldart | How about JUST the server owners? |
| 16:10.54 | jpa- | we can't trust even them |
| 16:11.26 | spldart | BTW I BZ'd to much this morning. I closed my eyes as I was washing my hair and I saw CLEARLY a red tank jumping over a portion of the race course on my server while repeatedly firing SW :-p |
| 16:11.42 | spldart | We can't even trust somebody cool enough to put up a bzfs server? |
| 16:15.05 | jpa- | nope |
| 16:15.16 | spldart | but but but.... why? |
| 16:15.17 | jpa- | there was once a person who cheated on his own server |
| 16:15.29 | spldart | Oh :-( |
| 16:15.57 | jpa- | and, as anyone can create a server with just few clicks, no, we can't trust them |
| 16:16.17 | spldart | I guess I need to get my brother to work on the program so I can at least have a private list. shrug |
| 16:16.53 | SportChick | Happy Easter, everyone |
| 16:17.02 | spldart | Maybe we could salvage my idea by making it only accessable by DTR JeffM and the likes |
| 16:17.07 | spldart | Happy Easter |
| 16:19.14 | jpa- | SportChick: hi |
| 16:19.28 | SportChick | jpa-: hiya |
| 16:20.10 | ToughShooter | Aww, why does it always begin to rain when I want to go out? :( |
| 16:20.32 | spldart | Woudn't you know it. I finally go through the trouble of adding the window unit to the computer room cuz it's getting hot out and a cold front blows in. Grrrrr |
| 16:20.36 | spldart | ~weather ksgr |
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| 16:57.38 | wegstar | morning... |
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| 17:12.12 | spldart | good morning wegstar |
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| 18:13.20 | Mr_Molez | can some 1 kick hitchhiker from ducati. he is tking |
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| 18:35.23 | silver[a] | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.26 | silver[a] | can't seem to find a way to resend it. |
| 18:35.35 | silver[a] | any bzbb admin types around? |
| 18:37.20 | wegstar | sure.. plenty... just have to wait :) |
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| 18:48.53 | silver[a] | I have a few requests on bzbb: |
| 18:48.56 | silver[a] | I need the hepcatADMlN account activated |
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| 18:49.24 | silver[a] | Please change the moderator of HEPCAT.COPS to the user hepcatcops |
| 18:49.40 | silver[a] | Please change the moderator of HEPCAT.ADMIN to the user hepcatADMlN |
| 18:50.00 | silver[a] | Please change the moderator of HEPCAT.OWNER to the user hepcatowner |
| 18:50.03 | silver[a] | thanks much! |
| 18:52.14 | ruskie | mmm hand't had a game this good in ages... |
| 18:53.49 | jpa- | you lose -500 to 10? |
| 18:53.58 | ruskie | naahhh |
| 18:54.11 | ruskie | finnaly some good ppl showed up on viper again... |
| 18:54.15 | ruskie | was not a static game... |
| 18:54.25 | ruskie | like 8/10 campers and two ppl running around |
| 18:54.36 | ruskie | got 52 frags |
| 18:54.45 | ruskie | I think more but I didn't keep track |
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| 19:15.35 | Aribeth_away | mhi |
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| 19:49.01 | jpa- | JeffM2501: silver[a] had some bzbb admin thingies he wanted to be done |
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| 19:49.50 | jpa- | ha |
| 19:50.01 | jpa- | hi SilverFox |
| 19:50.05 | SilverFox | hello. |
| 19:50.32 | SilverFox | I'm getting a Runtime Error! when connecting to a particular map (within a minute of connect) |
| 19:50.36 | SilverFox | faily consistently. |
| 19:51.03 | jpa- | in that minute, are you able to play normally? |
| 19:51.09 | SilverFox | yes. |
| 19:51.24 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 19:51.27 | JeffM2501 | I just did them |
| 19:51.59 | SilverFox | R6025 - pure virtual function call |
| 19:53.26 | SilverFox | dtremenak.bakadigital.com:6001 is the server that seems to be triggering the error. |
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| 21:13.01 | hepcat | had to remove TALK again. yet again more hitler and racist nonsense |
| 21:13.34 | hepcat | and the /report logs too |
| 21:13.36 | hepcat | Sun Mar 27 02:34:12 2005 |
| 21:13.36 | hepcat | Reported by Escobar: HEIL HITLER |
| 21:14.15 | JeffM2501 | wonder why people pull that crap |
| 21:14.37 | Aribeth | i had to ban a guy for that the other day |
| 21:15.08 | Birdie | its like hepcat is attractive for that |
| 21:15.19 | hepcat | yeah today they came in and shouted about how jews ckilled christ and we should kill all the jews in return |
| 21:15.31 | hepcat | its attractive because of the player count |
| 21:15.36 | JeffM2501 | are the IPs from any geernal area? |
| 21:15.36 | wegstar | yeah.. ever since it started that rotating map thing... |
| 21:15.40 | Aribeth | the same person that i banned from sleepycows |
| 21:15.49 | wegstar | hmm |
| 21:16.08 | hepcat | bulk of them are in the 24.x range |
| 21:16.22 | JeffM2501 | any similar geographic location? |
| 21:16.33 | Birdie | 24. isnt that area boston? |
| 21:18.03 | Aribeth | the guy i banned was from 65.125.185.2 |
| 21:18.23 | wegstar | somewhere around the west coast.. |
| 21:19.01 | hepcat | probably palmdale or lancaster ;) |
| 21:19.02 | Aribeth | a player called hitler came from 24.208.51.242 |
| 21:19.06 | hepcat | hear there are alot of nazis up there |
| 21:19.40 | wegstar | :) |
| 21:19.56 | Aribeth | that sucks |
| 21:20.04 | hepcat | who here runs the chrsitian bz server where you have to be born again to play? i saw that in the list the other day it cracked me up |
| 21:20.05 | JeffM2501 | there are some wierd people in palmdale |
| 21:22.19 | hepcat | Player Escobar [2] has joined from 67.173.147.129 |
| 21:22.57 | wegstar | that's california :P |
| 21:23.20 | Aribeth | hasn't been on sleepycows |
| 21:23.27 | hepcat | hes our heil hitler guy |
| 21:24.24 | Aribeth | CA Natzi's...that bites |
| 21:25.30 | hepcat | wht we need is an intelligence test before registration |
| 21:26.24 | Aribeth | heh |
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| 21:31.15 | hepcat | nice. The Hitler AMeriKorps will come kick my ass or so this nice email says. happy yeaster |
| 21:31.56 | hepcat | i should probably take my email out of the server message heh |
| 21:32.01 | Aribeth | geezis |
| 21:32.22 | Aribeth | reoprt it to the FBI |
| 21:32.23 | MeBigFatGuy | hormones |
| 21:32.32 | JeffM2501 | could be the moon |
| 21:32.48 | Aribeth | or pluto |
| 21:33.00 | MeBigFatGuy | everybody blames the dog |
| 21:33.25 | Aribeth | my refrence was their out past pluto. :) |
| 21:34.00 | JeffM2501 | there is no dog |
| 21:34.13 | MeBigFatGuy | pluto's not a dog? |
| 21:34.15 | MeBigFatGuy | bahh |
| 21:34.32 | JeffM2501 | guu dict pluto |
| 21:34.34 | guu | JeffM2501: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: Pluto n 1: a cartoon character created by Walt Disney 2: (Greek mythology) the god of the underworld in ancient mythology; brother of Zeus and husband of Persephone [syn: {Hades}, {Aides}, {Aidoneus}] 3: the second smallest planet and the farthest known from the sun; has the most elliptical orbit of all the planets; moby-thes: 95 Moby (6 more messages) |
| 21:35.06 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.12 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 21:35.38 | Aribeth | go figure. |
| 21:36.06 | JeffM2501 | jupiter has the best song outa the planets anyway |
| 21:36.58 | Birdie | eh the second smalles planet? |
| 21:37.06 | Birdie | i thought it was the smallest? |
| 21:37.10 | JeffM2501 | merc |
| 21:37.17 | Birdie | oh yea mercurius |
| 21:37.28 | JeffM2501 | those "inner" ones everyone forgets about |
| 21:37.34 | JeffM2501 | the one with all the power |
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| 21:40.18 | Punkus | !seen trepam |
| 21:40.18 | guu | Punkus: I have not seen trepam. |
| 21:40.25 | Punkus | !seen trepan |
| 21:40.25 | guu | Punkus: trepan was last seen here 13 hours, 19 minutes, and 3 seconds ago saying: <trepan> what would lead you to believe that is a probable cause for hangings? |
| 21:40.37 | hepcat | trepan just joined hepcat server :) |
| 21:40.41 | Punkus | oh |
| 21:40.44 | Punkus | im there... |
| 21:40.52 | Punkus | what one? |
| 21:40.59 | hepcat | pillbox/overlord |
| 21:41.00 | Punkus | overlord? |
| 21:41.03 | Punkus | oh |
| 21:41.04 | hepcat | top of the list |
| 21:41.09 | Punkus | i c |
| 21:41.13 | hepcat | although im testing a new map there now |
| 21:41.37 | wegstar | cool, I'm there |
| 21:44.19 | JeffM2501 | scanline, poke |
| 21:58.40 | scanline | what? |
| 21:58.48 | Punkus | trepan: u there? |
| 21:58.53 | Punkus | hmm |
| 22:00.18 | JeffM2501 | scanline, just wondering if you had any recomentations on how to draw text in GL wicked fast? |
| 22:00.28 | JeffM2501 | since you've had that task once before |
| 22:01.46 | scanline | cache pages of glyphs in relatively large textures, splat out one quad per glyph |
| 22:02.14 | scanline | if you have collections of multiple glyphs (words, entire lines) that appear frequently or don't change much, you could cache those too |
| 22:02.18 | JeffM2501 | so gen the glyphs as you need them? |
| 22:02.29 | scanline | well, sort of |
| 22:02.53 | scanline | you'll want a way to pack many glyphs into a page of some sort. You could just render everything ahead of time, but that gets impractical if you want unicode support |
| 22:02.55 | JeffM2501 | in groups of like per font per size? |
| 22:03.24 | scanline | that doesn't really matter, but ideally the characters you use often or those you expect to appear consecutively should be on the same page |
| 22:03.37 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 22:03.54 | scanline | you'll end up re-uploading a texture every time you draw a string with characters you've never seen before |
| 22:03.57 | scanline | but that shouldn't happen often |
| 22:04.10 | JeffM2501 | for fonts of difrent sizes you think to gen one set of glyphs per size? or texture scale? |
| 22:04.20 | scanline | it depends |
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| 22:04.37 | scanline | for particularly large text, it works fine to start with large rendered glyphs then scale down |
| 22:04.49 | scanline | but for most normal sizes you'll always want a 1:1 mapping between texels and pixels, to preserve hinting |
| 22:05.01 | scanline | this means you have to be really careful not to be off by 1/2 pixel or something |
| 22:05.08 | scanline | that will make the whole thing blurry |
| 22:05.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:05.47 | JeffM2501 | know of any existing libs that do a good job of it? |
| 22:06.23 | scanline | pybzengine does exactly what I described.. it's in python, but should be easy to translate into C++. I know I've seen libs that do this, but I can't remember the names off the top of my head |
| 22:06.26 | scanline | also not sure if they do unicode |
| 22:06.34 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:06.36 | purple_cow | yay pybzengine |
| 22:06.48 | scanline | yep |
| 22:06.50 | JeffM2501 | pybzengine do uni? |
| 22:06.58 | scanline | yes |
| 22:07.16 | scanline | its unicode hasn't been tested well, but there's nothing architecturally preventing it from doing at least simple left-to-right scripts |
| 22:07.28 | scanline | I think the biggest piece missing is selecting alternate fonts for different scripts |
| 22:07.33 | scanline | currently you'd have to do that manually |
| 22:07.45 | Punkus | whats pybzengine? |
| 22:07.54 | scanline | lots more work to do RTL and combining characters and such |
| 22:08.02 | scanline | purple_cow: crazy 3D engine written in python by purple_cow and I a while back |
| 22:08.35 | scanline | er |
| 22:08.38 | JeffM2501 | it was crazy go nuts |
| 22:08.39 | scanline | s/purple_cow/Punkus/ |
| 22:08.45 | Punkus | lol |
| 22:08.49 | scanline | yeah |
| 22:08.54 | scanline | 100% python, lots of neat features |
| 22:08.58 | scanline | it's what pybzflag was based on |
| 22:08.58 | Punkus | what does it do? |
| 22:09.05 | scanline | well, it's a 3D engine |
| 22:09.08 | scanline | so it renders things |
| 22:09.09 | scanline | in 3D |
| 22:09.12 | Punkus | cool |
| 22:09.17 | scanline | ain't it? |
| 22:09.20 | Punkus | like.. bzmaps? |
| 22:09.21 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:09.26 | JeffM2501 | did it have a scenegraph? |
| 22:09.36 | scanline | JeffM2501: sorta |
| 22:09.44 | purple_cow | it had this weird concept of drawables and passes |
| 22:09.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah that I know |
| 22:10.01 | JeffM2501 | but anything with like frustum filtering |
| 22:10.01 | scanline | lower-level than a normal scene graph |
| 22:10.06 | JeffM2501 | octree or anyhing? |
| 22:10.09 | scanline | no culling |
| 22:10.15 | scanline | in python it was faster to let opengl do that |
| 22:10.17 | scanline | and we were lazy |
| 22:10.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:10.28 | JeffM2501 | sounds a lot like just what G3d Does |
| 22:10.44 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/hix.avi |
| 22:10.56 | scanline | :) |
| 22:11.40 | scanline | I think my favorite part of pybzflag was the automatic detail texturing on boxes |
| 22:11.59 | scanline | it stuck skid marks and oil stains and stuff on there randomly, but guided by a box's size and placement |
| 22:12.20 | scanline | all the pyramids had their own dynamic cubemaps |
| 22:12.27 | JeffM2501 | auto-flair is neat :) |
| 22:12.35 | scanline | lots of multitexture madness for grime on the walls and for shadowing in the grass |
| 22:12.46 | scanline | oh, and the sky was cool |
| 22:12.55 | purple_cow | the sky was *damn* cool |
| 22:13.56 | [dmp] | got at video of that too? |
| 22:14.02 | [dmp] | -t |
| 22:14.06 | scanline | the sky? |
| 22:14.17 | [dmp] | yeah, or just a picture. Im getting curious :) |
| 22:14.27 | scanline | lemme try getting a screenshot |
| 22:14.31 | scanline | I haven't tried to run this stuff in ages |
| 22:14.58 | scanline | hmm |
| 22:15.11 | jpa- | wasn't it python? :) |
| 22:15.17 | [dmp] | if its too much trouble, dont do it - ill survive |
| 22:15.17 | scanline | oh wait, we do have some screenshots |
| 22:15.29 | scanline | jpa-: it needs some extension modules that require compiling, like numeric :P |
| 22:15.30 | purple_cow | scanline: only thumbnails |
| 22:15.34 | scanline | http://navi.cx/images/screenshots/pybzengine/ |
| 22:15.35 | scanline | we have those |
| 22:15.52 | scanline | that doesn't show any bzflag-specific stuff |
| 22:15.52 | scanline | but it does have the sky |
| 22:15.52 | scanline | and the text |
| 22:15.57 | purple_cow | oh yeah, those |
| 22:16.09 | scanline | and the disgustingly cool cloth simulator written in python |
| 22:16.13 | purple_cow | all the pybzflag screenshots are just thumbnails we found after a raid-go-boom |
| 22:16.41 | scanline | the clouds aren't anything too fancy, but they use some cool hardware-accelerated perlin noise :) |
| 22:17.21 | scanline | for speed we just had it set up to slowly scroll the clouds across the sky, but it was possible to have it slowly animate the noise itself so the clouds would change formations over time |
| 22:18.12 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:18.13 | scanline | http://navi.cx/images/screenshots/pybzengine/crates.jpeg |
| 22:18.19 | scanline | I love the textures we used for the walls |
| 22:18.30 | jpa- | why don't we have this stuff in bzflag? :) |
| 22:18.33 | scanline | I figured there had to be a force-field generator or something that keeps you from jumping over them :) |
| 22:18.42 | purple_cow | real bzflag desperately needs multitexturing |
| 22:18.52 | scanline | jpa-: 'cuz nobody was interested enough in pybzflag, or in hacking bzflag's 3D engine to bits to make it pretty |
| 22:19.17 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, everyone else fears change |
| 22:19.24 | JeffM2501 | and it would probably kill the software people |
| 22:19.50 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, it has it, tho dono if it uses hardware multi |
| 22:19.58 | scanline | ? |
| 22:19.58 | JeffM2501 | they can't even make meshes |
| 22:20.05 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: it does? |
| 22:20.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can have more then one texture per material |
| 22:20.22 | JeffM2501 | I think it may do it as multipass |
| 22:20.27 | JeffM2501 | not as the GL multi texture |
| 22:20.32 | trepan | huh? |
| 22:20.35 | scanline | heh |
| 22:20.43 | JeffM2501 | does it do multitexture? |
| 22:20.46 | trepan | no |
| 22:20.56 | JeffM2501 | but you can do addtexture on a material right? |
| 22:20.58 | purple_cow | heh |
| 22:21.05 | trepan | multitex and shaders are in the format, but not implemented in the GL |
| 22:21.10 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:21.14 | JeffM2501 | well I did the ground |
| 22:21.27 | scanline | there's a lot more to making multitexture look good than just splatting multiple images on the same triangle :P |
| 22:21.27 | JeffM2501 | it'll look for std_ground2 |
| 22:21.31 | JeffM2501 | to whatever |
| 22:21.46 | JeffM2501 | scanline, well yes, that's the art part :) |
| 22:21.55 | scanline | blah. there's so much python-stuff I haven't reinstalled since upgrading to 2.4 |
| 22:22.33 | scanline | JeffM2501: pybzflag had a lot of code just to automatically place those decals and stuff. That made a *huge* difference in the output quality |
| 22:22.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:22.43 | scanline | the biggest problem with bzflag's graphics IMHO is that everything looks exactly the same |
| 22:22.44 | JeffM2501 | that stuff would be cool |
| 22:22.46 | scanline | that's what I wanted to break out of |
| 22:22.55 | scanline | two buildings shouldn't look exactly the same |
| 22:22.59 | JeffM2501 | every box is the same :) |
| 22:22.59 | scanline | there need to be random variations |
| 22:23.10 | scanline | in pybzflag, every box isn't the same |
| 22:23.12 | JeffM2501 | shoulda done windows and stuff too based on height :) |
| 22:23.21 | scanline | it was getting there |
| 22:23.33 | scanline | I wanted to do some neat things on corners and joints between boxes,but that would take some more processing power |
| 22:24.10 | scanline | aha... /me gets a couple of the pybzengine demos running |
| 22:24.39 | scanline | damn this thing's VRML parser is slow |
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| 22:26.32 | scanline | framework? |
| 22:27.33 | JeffM2501 | how the parts of the app work together |
| 22:27.35 | JeffM2501 | to be modular |
| 22:27.41 | JeffM2501 | the overall design |
| 22:28.01 | JeffM2501 | I found myself making a compromise, already |
| 22:28.02 | scanline | what are you working on now anyway? |
| 22:28.18 | JeffM2501 | and that tells me the design is flawed |
| 22:28.21 | JeffM2501 | same old stuff |
| 22:28.34 | JeffM2501 | just geting a more modular 3d networked game system working |
| 22:28.42 | JeffM2501 | to generate intrest in a new codebase |
| 22:29.09 | scanline | reinventing more wheels? |
| 22:29.13 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:29.23 | JeffM2501 | puting existing wheels in a nice car |
| 22:29.28 | JeffM2501 | using G3d for a backend |
| 22:29.42 | JeffM2501 | sdl net |
| 22:29.45 | JeffM2501 | for networking |
| 22:29.47 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 22:29.55 | JeffM2501 | just trying to make all the parts fit well |
| 22:30.11 | JeffM2501 | Gd3 isn't much of a real "engine" as it is a nice layer on top of GL |
| 22:30.13 | scanline | that looks cute |
| 22:30.17 | scanline | maybe kinda low-level for a game though |
| 22:30.18 | JeffM2501 | it'll take a scenegraph |
| 22:30.27 | JeffM2501 | well I want to put OSG on top of it |
| 22:30.35 | JeffM2501 | for a scenegraph |
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| 22:31.12 | JeffM2501 | or an existing scenegraph like maybe a quake3 bsp |
| 22:31.36 | JeffM2501 | did some tests, outdoor stuff can work decently well with there odd bsp format thingy |
| 22:35.43 | scanline | yay |
| 22:35.46 | scanline | pybzengine still works |
| 22:36.31 | scanline | mmm |
| 22:36.33 | scanline | I love this sky |
| 22:36.47 | scanline | it isn't all that technically advanced, but it just looks right |
| 22:39.39 | scanline | last time I tried this there was a bug in the nvidia drivers for GeForce FX cards that broke multitexturing |
| 22:40.26 | scanline | aww |
| 22:40.28 | scanline | still breaking |
| 22:41.27 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03micahjd * 10pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable/VRML/Parser.py: Work around what looks like a Python 2.4 quirk that causes a TypeError |
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| 22:50.54 | scanline | that's bizarre |
| 22:51.00 | scanline | I think pyopengl has a broken glDisable() |
| 22:53.56 | ndim | Hmm. segfault running bzadmin? |
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