| 00:00.04 | uso_ | where does bzflag search for libcurl and it's header files? |
| 00:00.21 | uso_ | do not find a setting, neither for compiler nor for linker |
| 00:00.57 | uso_ | does it only need the dll in the systems dir? |
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| 00:20.44 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does not |
| 00:20.47 | JeffM2501 | your compiler does |
| 00:20.54 | JeffM2501 | you have to tell VC where the lib and headers are |
| 00:20.59 | JeffM2501 | for the DLL put it where the exe is |
| 00:21.12 | JeffM2501 | there ar 2 ways to tell VC where the files are |
| 00:21.24 | JeffM2501 | 1) add the paths to the lib and headers to the VC include dirs |
| 00:21.40 | JeffM2501 | or 2) copy the headers and lib into the existing system include dirs |
| 00:22.10 | JeffM2501 | the include dirs for VC are not part of the project systings |
| 00:22.19 | JeffM2501 | since they could be difrent on each VC install |
| 00:22.27 | JeffM2501 | they are part of the VC application prefs |
| 00:22.30 | uso_ | compiler seems to be happy without the header files |
| 00:22.40 | uso_ | only the linker reclaims |
| 00:22.58 | JeffM2501 | tools menu |
| 00:23.00 | JeffM2501 | options |
| 00:23.03 | techman | hehehe... What things would cause an "errror, could not connect to server" when I try a map today that I was perfectly capable of getting on yesterday? |
| 00:23.06 | techman | I assume: |
| 00:23.06 | JeffM2501 | pojects choice |
| 00:23.14 | JeffM2501 | vc++ directorys |
| 00:23.24 | techman | server was JUST shut down would be one |
| 00:23.28 | JeffM2501 | change to library files |
| 00:23.34 | JeffM2501 | add the path to your libs there |
| 00:23.36 | JeffM2501 | then rebuild |
| 00:23.51 | JeffM2501 | techman, the internet |
| 00:24.05 | techman | Really.. Just a internet thing? |
| 00:24.13 | techman | It seems a coincidence |
| 00:24.23 | JeffM2501 | do they actualy get to you? |
| 00:24.30 | JeffM2501 | does your server see the connection? |
| 00:24.36 | techman | Sorry. You misunderstand ;) |
| 00:24.38 | techman | I think |
| 00:24.46 | techman | You know CoH... |
| 00:24.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:24.53 | techman | I hard banned him with my firewall |
| 00:24.56 | techman | yesterday |
| 00:24.57 | techman | again |
| 00:25.06 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:25.17 | techman | Anywho.... I was playing on that nascar map that he is now a cop on yesterday |
| 00:25.20 | techman | It worked just fine |
| 00:25.26 | techman | But today I can't log on at all |
| 00:25.34 | JeffM2501 | they could have baned you |
| 00:25.36 | techman | heheheheh |
| 00:25.38 | JeffM2501 | or your route has changed |
| 00:25.44 | techman | route? |
| 00:25.50 | JeffM2501 | or they blocked you on a firewall/iptable |
| 00:25.59 | JeffM2501 | how the internet gets packets from you to him |
| 00:26.04 | JeffM2501 | it's not allways a static route |
| 00:26.07 | techman | I'm thinking they decided to return the favor in kind :D |
| 00:26.14 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
| 00:26.17 | JeffM2501 | can you ping them? |
| 00:26.21 | techman | oooo |
| 00:26.24 | techman | I hadn't tried that. |
| 00:26.29 | JeffM2501 | or tracert |
| 00:26.49 | JeffM2501 | the route via the net for any one packet can change from packet to packet |
| 00:26.56 | JeffM2501 | based on loads and traifc and stuff |
| 00:28.05 | techman | lol |
| 00:28.43 | techman | open dos prompt... Ping 80.233. blah blah... "ping request could not find host" |
| 00:29.18 | JeffM2501 | iy |
| 00:29.23 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't realy say anything |
| 00:29.27 | JeffM2501 | it's common to block pings |
| 00:30.01 | techman | ok.... |
| 00:30.09 | techman | I tried addressing the server in IE |
| 00:30.13 | sussudio | can i get a 2.0.2 executable somewhere with glreset fixed? |
| 00:30.21 | techman | it didn't even give me the bzfs0026 or whatever |
| 00:30.33 | JeffM2501 | one hasn't been made yet sussudio, unless I missed a message |
| 00:30.40 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:30.43 | JeffM2501 | techman, why would it |
| 00:30.49 | techman | Mine does |
| 00:30.57 | techman | I assumed they all do |
| 00:30.58 | JeffM2501 | bzfs does not use the web |
| 00:31.03 | JeffM2501 | it is not a web server |
| 00:31.32 | JeffM2501 | it should not even listen on port 81 |
| 00:31.34 | JeffM2501 | 80 |
| 00:31.51 | JeffM2501 | I"m still at work sussudio, haven't had any time to look at it |
| 00:31.52 | techman | http://67.10.210.195:5154/ In the url box gives me "BZFS0026" from my server |
| 00:32.04 | techman | my bzfs server |
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| 00:32.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh the raw TCP data |
| 00:32.49 | techman | His is in the server list but doesn't report anything to me |
| 00:32.50 | JeffM2501 | that's allways the first thing bzfs sends back on any connection to its port, the version |
| 00:32.56 | techman | ic |
| 00:33.00 | JeffM2501 | then ether you have no route |
| 00:33.04 | JeffM2501 | or were bloecked |
| 00:33.07 | JeffM2501 | do a tracert |
| 00:33.19 | techman | ok... tracert? |
| 00:33.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:33.30 | JeffM2501 | traceroute |
| 00:33.36 | JeffM2501 | normal networking command |
| 00:33.41 | JeffM2501 | like ping and nslookup |
| 00:33.57 | techman | unable to resolve the system |
| 00:34.07 | techman | wait |
| 00:34.07 | JeffM2501 | that sounds like a DNS issue then |
| 00:34.24 | JeffM2501 | it's an IP not a dame |
| 00:34.24 | techman | unable to resolve the target system name |
| 00:34.26 | JeffM2501 | name |
| 00:34.32 | JeffM2501 | what are you typing? |
| 00:34.45 | techman | tracert his ip:his port |
| 00:34.49 | JeffM2501 | no port |
| 00:34.52 | techman | ok |
| 00:34.53 | JeffM2501 | no port on pings ether |
| 00:34.55 | techman | let me try |
| 00:34.58 | JeffM2501 | it's just the machine |
| 00:35.16 | techman | trace running |
| 00:37.10 | techman | trace completed |
| 00:37.25 | JeffM2501 | then you have a route |
| 00:37.32 | JeffM2501 | j00 been banz0rd |
| 00:37.33 | techman | Yes... |
| 00:37.36 | techman | LOL |
| 00:37.53 | techman | He got po'd at me so he banned me for my banning him |
| 00:37.55 | techman | LOL |
| 00:38.15 | JeffM2501 | that would be his MO |
| 00:38.28 | JeffM2501 | the only server he could get on |
| 00:38.29 | techman | hehe |
| 00:38.48 | techman | So he's done ish like this before? |
| 00:39.05 | JeffM2501 | dono, but I would not put it past him |
| 00:39.09 | techman | ic |
| 00:39.11 | JeffM2501 | he's baned from the entire network |
| 00:39.30 | techman | Yet he runs a public server. heh eek |
| 00:39.30 | JeffM2501 | techincaly I could ban him from the list server |
| 00:39.37 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't |
| 00:39.42 | techman | oh yeah |
| 00:39.47 | JeffM2501 | he's an admin on somone elses server |
| 00:39.47 | techman | he copppers one |
| 00:39.51 | techman | yeah |
| 00:39.52 | techman | my bad |
| 00:40.03 | techman | I'm amused |
| 00:40.42 | techman | I really pwnt the people on nascar last night (dunno how my noob butt did) but anywho. That and the ban must have P him O LOL |
| 00:40.43 | JeffM2501 | he's of little conciquence |
| 00:40.47 | techman | true |
| 00:40.54 | techman | Just wanted to clarify |
| 00:41.01 | JeffM2501 | you can ask him about it on the brad forums |
| 00:41.12 | JeffM2501 | if you can get thru all the childish screaming |
| 00:41.15 | techman | I need to remember tracert ;) |
| 00:41.15 | JeffM2501 | and insults |
| 00:41.20 | brad2901 | heh |
| 00:41.39 | techman | Not important but thanks :D |
| 00:41.44 | JeffM2501 | has he allways been like that brad? |
| 00:41.53 | brad2901 | no |
| 00:41.58 | brad2901 | he used to be ok |
| 00:42.06 | JeffM2501 | what happend to him? |
| 00:42.10 | brad2901 | dunno |
| 00:42.11 | techman | Puberty is making him cranky |
| 00:42.16 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 00:44.10 | wegstar | "Report: Hacker attacks on Macs rising..." hmm... |
| 00:49.42 | sussudio | in soviet russia, macs hack you |
| 00:49.51 | techman | LMAO |
| 00:53.08 | wegstar | soviet russia |
| 00:53.12 | wegstar | right.. |
| 00:53.41 | techman | It's so yakov smirnoff |
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| 01:03.10 | uso_ | JeffM2501: where are these new ares things? bzflag misses _ares_init, ... |
| 01:03.19 | uso_ | the linker misses |
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| 01:05.11 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 01:05.15 | JeffM2501 | never built with it |
| 01:05.36 | JeffM2501 | don't even know if the CVS project files are up to date |
| 01:05.36 | uso_ | may i configure this? |
| 01:05.48 | uso_ | ahh, this may be :) |
| 01:06.05 | JeffM2501 | I was going to try it when I got home |
| 01:06.14 | JeffM2501 | but yeah you can try to add them if you want |
| 01:06.21 | JeffM2501 | don't even have a clue as to what tupone did |
| 01:06.25 | JeffM2501 | if it's a new lib or what |
| 01:07.07 | uso_ | ah, seems to be c-ares |
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| 01:07.16 | JeffM2501 | is it an external lib? |
| 01:07.20 | JeffM2501 | or files in the project? |
| 01:07.29 | uso_ | no, in the project |
| 01:07.37 | JeffM2501 | but it's in it's own folder |
| 01:07.43 | JeffM2501 | that means a new project for a new lib |
| 01:07.46 | JeffM2501 | and some link changes |
| 01:08.01 | JeffM2501 | aka not just adding files |
| 01:08.06 | uso_ | it would not be build at all |
| 01:08.35 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 01:08.45 | uso_ | it's not in the project, only a subdir |
| 01:08.52 | JeffM2501 | there is no ares lib projet that will use those files on VC |
| 01:08.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:09.08 | JeffM2501 | a new project in the workspace has to be made |
| 01:09.08 | wegstar | ~seen lan56 |
| 01:09.09 | ibot | lan56 <lan56@h-68-165-21-165.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 23h 34m 24s ago, saying: 'sgk284, it works now so no'. |
| 01:09.10 | JeffM2501 | ugg |
| 01:09.58 | JeffM2501 | eww it's got it's own VC system |
| 01:10.01 | JeffM2501 | how fugly |
| 01:10.23 | JeffM2501 | and its only vc6 |
| 01:11.12 | uso_ | if you are on the projects, there is an entry of libcurl.lib in the bzfs properties under misc(?) -> additional library dirs which maybe should not be there |
| 01:11.43 | JeffM2501 | no, bz needs libcurl |
| 01:11.59 | uso_ | menu entries may differ, unfortunatly i have a german vc here and have to translate them |
| 01:12.13 | uso_ | yes, but not as a directory entry |
| 01:12.18 | uso_ | to search in |
| 01:12.21 | JeffM2501 | oh in the dir |
| 01:12.22 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 01:12.22 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:12.28 | JeffM2501 | what project in the workspace? |
| 01:12.34 | uso_ | bzfs |
| 01:12.40 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:12.44 | JeffM2501 | ares won't build at all |
| 01:12.47 | JeffM2501 | files are missing |
| 01:13.04 | blast007 | I think someone said that in order to make ares user curl, you need to put curl in the tree too and compile that as well |
| 01:13.27 | JeffM2501 | ibot message for tupone ares won't build on windows, it is missing ares_free_emem.c that is requested by the VC6 project that comes wiht ares. |
| 01:13.40 | JeffM2501 | why are we compiling our own ares? |
| 01:13.55 | blast007 | Mar 11 10:45:35 <Tupone>you could get a c-ares system installed copy, but windows do not have dll for c-ares, so I was forced to put the whole tree |
| 01:14.22 | JeffM2501 | do they have a static lib? |
| 01:14.24 | blast007 | and then: |
| 01:14.24 | blast007 | Mar 11 11:07:14 <DTRemenak>Tupone: if you want curl to use c-ares on windows, curl will also have to be in the tree |
| 01:14.26 | JeffM2501 | we dn't NEED it in DLL format |
| 01:14.31 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 01:14.52 | JeffM2501 | who's running this army!!! |
| 01:15.17 | JeffM2501 | if all the source is in our codebase why not do it ourself |
| 01:15.25 | JeffM2501 | the reason for using curl was so we didn't have to have all the code |
| 01:15.59 | JeffM2501 | I should be evil and just make URL manager on windows use MFC :) |
| 01:16.08 | wegstar | ... |
| 01:16.08 | uso_ | lol |
| 01:16.17 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:16.18 | JeffM2501 | full proxy and cookie support |
| 01:16.47 | JeffM2501 | there is a reason it's wraped up in a class :) |
| 01:17.08 | uso_ | JeffM2501: if you are on it, don't forget to make bzflag itself supporting proxies :) |
| 01:17.18 | JeffM2501 | can't |
| 01:17.20 | JeffM2501 | UDP |
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| 01:17.35 | uso_ | is udp required on 2.0? |
| 01:17.42 | JeffM2501 | prety much |
| 01:17.54 | JeffM2501 | TCP only play is horible |
| 01:18.03 | JeffM2501 | and it's reasonable to require UDP |
| 01:18.09 | uso_ | no play is even worse ;) |
| 01:18.10 | JeffM2501 | people should not be playing games at work :) |
| 01:18.16 | uso_ | grr |
| 01:18.51 | JeffM2501 | and for the people who have to play with TCP only users, yes them not playing is BETTER then lagy TCP play |
| 01:18.52 | uso_ | i can :) |
| 01:19.03 | JeffM2501 | then get yourself a UDP route |
| 01:19.18 | techman | :eek: |
| 01:19.22 | techman | hehe |
| 01:19.24 | uso_ | but with tcp and additional lagg |
| 01:19.45 | JeffM2501 | you can't play modern games TCP only |
| 01:19.53 | JeffM2501 | you can't even play quake IIRC TCP only |
| 01:19.58 | uso_ | tunneling over ssh ... really ugly |
| 01:20.37 | JeffM2501 | windows internal proxy support is only for the "internet connection" API |
| 01:20.44 | uso_ | it's not for real playing, was only a test :) |
| 01:20.51 | JeffM2501 | any other proxy support would have to be done as app support |
| 01:20.58 | JeffM2501 | run a local server :) |
| 01:21.02 | JeffM2501 | test on that :) |
| 01:21.39 | uso_ | people on work shouldn't play ... ;)) |
| 01:21.44 | JeffM2501 | good lord he just put it in raw |
| 01:22.02 | JeffM2501 | no #defs |
| 01:22.06 | JeffM2501 | no switches |
| 01:22.12 | JeffM2501 | is it now to be required to use ares? |
| 01:22.22 | trepan | yes |
| 01:22.35 | JeffM2501 | so may as well throw curl in the tree then |
| 01:22.37 | bryjen | the ares source is included |
| 01:22.37 | JeffM2501 | if it's needed |
| 01:22.47 | JeffM2501 | but it DOSN"T BUILD |
| 01:22.48 | bryjen | and small |
| 01:23.01 | JeffM2501 | does CURL need to use ares? |
| 01:23.04 | bryjen | it does here ;) |
| 01:23.07 | JeffM2501 | or is it optional |
| 01:23.08 | JeffM2501 | dosn't here |
| 01:23.12 | JeffM2501 | it's missing files |
| 01:23.19 | bryjen | sucks to be you ;P |
| 01:23.35 | uso_ | hmm, duplicating sources of external libs? nice thing |
| 01:23.39 | JeffM2501 | gotta love a project that dosn't give a crap about it's users |
| 01:24.04 | JeffM2501 | URL to ares page? |
| 01:24.15 | JeffM2501 | they have a VC project |
| 01:24.21 | JeffM2501 | they must have a dev kit with a prebuilt lib |
| 01:24.24 | bryjen | take my joke, please! |
| 01:24.49 | JeffM2501 | it sounds like tupone deceided to include sources based soley on an os he never builds on |
| 01:25.39 | JeffM2501 | is ares part of curl? |
| 01:27.12 | uso_ | on debian it's a separate lib |
| 01:27.18 | bryjen | no, iirc, the c-ares thing is ares adapted to work nicer with curl |
| 01:27.28 | uso_ | and libcurl does not depend on it |
| 01:27.54 | bryjen | so its related. you can have curl without ares (obviously) |
| 01:27.55 | JeffM2501 | dosn't even look like they have a site for it |
| 01:28.01 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:28.15 | JeffM2501 | so I can just build a c-ares enabled libCurl |
| 01:28.15 | bryjen | there's a readme in the c-ares dir |
| 01:28.17 | JeffM2501 | host that |
| 01:28.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah looking at it |
| 01:28.29 | JeffM2501 | it just talks about a FTP |
| 01:28.36 | JeffM2501 | libares is distributed at athena-dist.mit.edu:pub/ATHENA/ares. |
| 01:29.06 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I can just include the parts of the sources we need |
| 01:29.12 | JeffM2501 | seems there are other apps in there |
| 01:29.34 | bryjen | what tupone brought in the the curl guy's adaptation of ares for curl, c-ares |
| 01:30.12 | JeffM2501 | what I'd rather do is build binary libs and headers for lib curl and ares and distro them in a "lib" kit on sf, then include all this source |
| 01:30.17 | JeffM2501 | it's not like we are going to change it |
| 01:30.21 | JeffM2501 | we don't need a DLL on windows |
| 01:30.25 | JeffM2501 | a static lib will do |
| 01:30.53 | JeffM2501 | do you know where he got the source distro? |
| 01:32.04 | bryjen | http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/c-ares from README.cares in that dir |
| 01:32.22 | JeffM2501 | ahh the other file |
| 01:32.24 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 01:32.27 | bryjen | ooops, not in answer to your question, but it probly does |
| 01:32.53 | JeffM2501 | I musta been reading the old one |
| 01:33.10 | uso_ | but if bzflag rerquires an additional special package you'll get more trouble on the *nix platforms |
| 01:33.33 | JeffM2501 | uso_ that's the name of the game these days, libs libs libs |
| 01:34.08 | bryjen | code reuse is good. stop re-inventing the wheel |
| 01:34.12 | JeffM2501 | so since we build with posibly a premade binary of libcurl, our libcurls could allready be using ares |
| 01:34.14 | JeffM2501 | we don't know |
| 01:34.29 | bryjen | but it does lead to dependencies |
| 01:34.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:34.47 | JeffM2501 | I think with this I am going to make a library zip |
| 01:34.53 | JeffM2501 | that we keep updated for windows |
| 01:34.59 | uso_ | yes, but libcurl is nearly a standard on *nix, at least on linux, libares maybe too |
| 01:35.01 | JeffM2501 | all the other proejcts are doing it |
| 01:35.12 | JeffM2501 | uso_ is SDL? |
| 01:35.50 | uso_ | what is SDL? a standard? or what do you mean? |
| 01:35.59 | JeffM2501 | a lib that bzflag uses |
| 01:36.03 | JeffM2501 | or at least can use |
| 01:36.10 | JeffM2501 | hmm well it seems that tupone missed some files |
| 01:36.17 | JeffM2501 | or used a bad source tree |
| 01:36.36 | JeffM2501 | the source here is NOT needed for linux, am I correct in that? |
| 01:36.47 | JeffM2501 | tupone only put it in for windows? |
| 01:37.06 | bryjen | hmm? i think its building here too |
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| 01:37.43 | JeffM2501 | does it have to? |
| 01:37.53 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather keep externals external |
| 01:38.01 | JeffM2501 | I can make it work external for windows |
| 01:38.05 | JeffM2501 | that's not a problem. |
| 01:39.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh it's not a subset of curl, the curl guy forked to make it work with curl |
| 01:39.51 | JeffM2501 | that is where the curl link is |
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| 01:40.48 | bryjen | my system supplies no ares, so if i don't build it, i ain't got it |
| 01:40.56 | JeffM2501 | course the tree from that site still dosn't build |
| 01:40.59 | JeffM2501 | but it gets closer |
| 01:41.09 | JeffM2501 | can you GET a ares tho? |
| 01:41.21 | JeffM2501 | we don't build SDL if it's not installed by default |
| 01:42.02 | JeffM2501 | but maybe thats because SDL is common and easy to get |
| 01:43.58 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 01:44.03 | JeffM2501 | it comes with a VC6 project |
| 01:44.07 | JeffM2501 | but only builds in 7 |
| 01:44.18 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:44.21 | JeffM2501 | since it includes headers that arn't included with vc6 |
| 01:44.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah we have to do a binary on windows |
| 01:45.39 | uso_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.46 | JeffM2501 | what is the "MIT" license? |
| 01:45.54 | JeffM2501 | I can't see a copying file |
| 01:46.29 | blast007 | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php |
| 01:47.24 | JeffM2501 | so it's a "don't say it's yours, and don't sue us" license? |
| 01:47.46 | JeffM2501 | can we just use parts of it then? |
| 01:48.05 | wegstar | err... |
| 01:48.12 | JeffM2501 | and just work the parts we need into our own lib? |
| 01:48.23 | JeffM2501 | and not distro the full tree? |
| 01:48.46 | JeffM2501 | that would be a lot easyer |
| 01:50.40 | JeffM2501 | ibot message for timriker when you get in I need to talk to you about ares and windows. |
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| 01:56.31 | JeffM2501 | actualy it would have been sussudio if you hadn't, I was gonna make some fixes and a build for him |
| 01:56.40 | JeffM2501 | as it stands now bz just won't build on windows |
| 01:56.43 | JeffM2501 | end of story |
| 01:56.50 | JeffM2501 | not with VC anyway |
| 01:56.50 | uso_ | thanks for the help blast007 and JeffM2501 |
| 01:57.19 | uso_ | i'll wait for cvs would be cleaned up :) |
| 01:57.42 | sussudio | meh? |
| 01:57.43 | uso_ | gotta go home |
| 01:58.09 | JeffM2501 | sussudio, can't build cvs head |
| 01:58.12 | JeffM2501 | it's busted |
| 01:58.15 | JeffM2501 | can't fix it easy |
| 01:58.16 | sussudio | goodie. |
| 01:58.28 | JeffM2501 | till I talk to "the man" |
| 01:58.33 | sussudio | :-| |
| 01:58.43 | JeffM2501 | they added a new DNS lib |
| 01:58.50 | JeffM2501 | noone ever set up windows to use it |
| 01:58.53 | JeffM2501 | it just dosn't work |
| 01:59.16 | JeffM2501 | unless I wrap it up in class and then implement it using like windows services. |
| 02:01.12 | uso_ | JeffM2501: are you the only (active) bzflag developer on windows? |
| 02:02.37 | JeffM2501 | I'm not realy active |
| 02:02.43 | wegstar | :) |
| 02:02.44 | JeffM2501 | dtr does windows stuff |
| 02:02.49 | JeffM2501 | so does mebigfatguy |
| 02:02.59 | JeffM2501 | dtr realy only does windows when he has to |
| 02:03.23 | sussudio | tupone doesn't do windows? |
| 02:03.40 | JeffM2501 | ohh lord no |
| 02:03.50 | JeffM2501 | he may have it |
| 02:03.56 | JeffM2501 | but he nix to the core |
| 02:04.10 | JeffM2501 | if he did then he would not have checked in bad code that dosn't build on windows :) |
| 02:05.30 | bryjen | ~Tupone |
| 02:05.31 | ibot | i guess tupone is the fellow who put SDL in BZFlag! how can you not know him! |
| 02:06.03 | JeffM2501 | he's a great guy, but I'm not so sure of his implementations sometimes. |
| 02:07.03 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (BUGS TODO): notes/bugs/todo for ares support on windows ( or the lack thereof ) |
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| 02:07.47 | techman | ~me |
| 02:07.51 | techman | hehe |
| 02:07.57 | techman | ~ibot |
| 02:07.58 | ibot | ibot is, like, a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. a bigot, or the man, or a girl, or ``a filthy scum bag'' |
| 02:08.31 | techman | ~spldart |
| 02:08.42 | techman | ~techman |
| 02:08.58 | techman | ~trout |
| 02:08.59 | ibot | ACTION fills techman's pants with of day-old trout |
| 02:09.10 | techman | hehehe |
| 02:09.42 | techman | ~C++ |
| 02:10.36 | bzflagwiz | JeffM2501: I can build CVS head on windows using mingw/msys. So I think you are correct that it is just VC that can't build it right now. |
| 02:10.51 | bzflagwiz | I'm not using SDL though - so don't know if that makes a difference |
| 02:22.19 | JeffM2501 | VC dosn't use sdl |
| 02:22.24 | JeffM2501 | and it's a problem with ares |
| 02:22.25 | JeffM2501 | on VC |
| 02:22.32 | JeffM2501 | mingw follows the nix build |
| 02:27.58 | sussudio | bzflagwiz: wait, you got bzflag to build with ming? |
| 02:28.56 | bzflagwiz | sussudio - yes |
| 02:29.07 | sussudio | bzflagwiz: what steps? run autogen.sh first? |
| 02:29.31 | bzflagwiz | sh autogen.sh ./configure make make install |
| 02:29.52 | sussudio | i couldn't get it to build whatever i tried a while ago |
| 02:30.28 | bzflagwiz | I had a terrible time getting curl to compile for a while, so I just compiled the whole package |
| 02:31.32 | sussudio | says curl-config not found with configure |
| 02:32.10 | bzflagwiz | Dumb IRC question - I'm using x-chat - and some messages come across in red... are those private messages? |
| 02:32.51 | bzflagwiz | sussudio: I downloaded a source package from curl.haxx.se and compiled the whole curl package before I tried on bzflag |
| 02:33.17 | bzflagwiz | Apparently curl-config isn't included in the binary packages available. |
| 02:33.26 | sussudio | :-| |
| 02:33.45 | bzflagwiz | It's not that bad once you realize you just gotta build the whole thing :) |
| 02:34.44 | bzflagwiz | to compile with mingw/msys you will also need to have either SDL or the DirectX develpers kit installed |
| 02:36.54 | uso_ | bzflagwiz: are that the ones your nick is in? like this one |
| 02:36.56 | sussudio | hm. |
| 02:37.01 | sussudio | i remember curl needing ssl |
| 02:37.27 | bzflagwiz | ah - that must be it uso_ just didn't know if those were private messages or not ;) thx |
| 02:37.34 | bzflagwiz | sussudio: http://curl.haxx.se/download/curl-7.13.1.zip |
| 02:37.43 | bzflagwiz | no - you don't want the one with ssl |
| 02:39.43 | bzflagwiz | as for the directx stuff you need, there are four (three?) files you need: d3dtypes.h, ddraw.h, dinput.h, dsound.h. You put them in your MinGW/includes directory. |
| 02:40.33 | bzflagwiz | correction - they go in your MinGW/include (no 's') directory |
| 02:43.03 | bzflagwiz | sussudio: also make sure your source is up to date - there were some problems fixed in just the last day or two that prevented painless compilation via mingw |
| 02:45.01 | techman | Ibot holds unzip down |
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| 03:30.56 | wegstar | oops |
| 03:31.45 | wegstar | dead.. who's next :) |
| 03:34.01 | sussudio | hah |
| 03:34.31 | sussudio | what did aol boy do? |
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| 03:35.18 | sussudio | it's a bad aol boy! |
| 03:36.11 | brad2901 | :) |
| 03:36.43 | brad2901 | how mean |
| 03:36.53 | sussudio | nein |
| 03:36.55 | brad2901 | it's not my fault |
| 03:37.43 | sussudio | you could join the new AOL spinoff, PanAmerican Information Gathering, PIG for short. |
| 03:38.49 | brad2901 | hmmm |
| 03:47.37 | bryjen | .quit |
| 03:47.47 | sussudio | .badger |
| 03:57.26 | uso | someone from hepcat here? |
| 03:57.40 | uso | cosmos? |
| 03:58.13 | uso | have at look at your server, at least are cheaters there |
| 03:59.14 | blast007 | I don't see anyone shooting...think it's a server glitch |
| 03:59.47 | uso | yeah, seems to be |
| 03:59.57 | uso | shots do not have any effect, onl;y sr |
| 04:00.23 | sussudio | libcurl3.dll? |
| 04:04.49 | blast007 | probably no optimizations |
| 04:05.36 | sussudio | and it defaults to 60hz and screws my desktop |
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| 04:07.06 | bzflagwiz | sussudio needs to run strip bzflag.exe after running make install.... |
| 04:07.22 | sussudio | bzflagwiz: it only runs at 60Hz. it hurts. |
| 04:08.44 | bzflagwiz | not sure why that would be. Mine runs using the same config file that my "official" bzflag uses - including my monitor settings... |
| 04:08.58 | blast007 | SDL build vs non-SDL build? |
| 04:09.08 | sussudio | i don't know. |
| 04:09.51 | sussudio | NOOOOOO |
| 04:09.59 | sussudio | when i run strip, i get the same blocky font crap |
| 04:10.06 | blast007 | :( |
| 04:11.28 | sussudio | damn. it compiled with SDL for some reason. |
| 04:14.29 | MeBigFatGuy | ouch |
| 04:16.00 | sussudio | MeBigFatGuy: win32 doesn't build at all at the moment with cvs HEAD except for mingw32 |
| 04:16.26 | MeBigFatGuy | lovely |
| 04:16.28 | MeBigFatGuy | link errors? |
| 04:16.43 | sussudio | MeBigFatGuy: something with that new Ares thing. doesn't work with win32 apparently. |
| 04:19.33 | bzflagwiz | OK - Mr. NotACPlusPlusProgrammer would like to know how to use the boolean value of Player::isCrossingWall() (defined in Player.h). Compile complains about "non-lvalue in assignment" |
| 04:20.46 | purple_cow | bzflagwiz: what's the line it's complaining about? |
| 04:21.14 | bzflagwiz | I used " (myStatement1 || myStatement2 || Player::is CrossingWall() ) |
| 04:21.22 | sussudio | [03:07:03] <CIA-5> BZFlag: jeffm2501 * bzflag/ (BUGS TODO): notes/bugs/todo for ares support on windows ( or the lack thereof ) |
| 04:21.43 | bzflagwiz | it is with a code change I am trying out - not part of the standard build |
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| 04:23.01 | purple_cow | well, for one, isCrossingWall() isn't static, so you need to call it on an object instance |
| 04:24.10 | MeBigFatGuy | myTank->isCrossingWall() |
| 04:24.14 | MeBigFatGuy | or what ever tank you want |
| 04:30.19 | creeperz | mebigfatguyTank->isDead() |
| 04:30.32 | creeperz | haha, im so clever... |
| 04:31.08 | MeBigFatGuy | is ares, from aresgalaxy.org? |
| 04:31.42 | blast007 | nope :) |
| 04:31.56 | MeBigFatGuy | but it is a third party lib? |
| 04:31.58 | MeBigFatGuy | dll? |
| 04:32.00 | blast007 | http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/c-ares/ |
| 04:32.13 | MeBigFatGuy | ah |
| 04:32.20 | MeBigFatGuy | v1.2.1? |
| 04:33.38 | MeBigFatGuy | seems to me these kinds of things should be checked in |
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| 04:38.44 | MeBigFatGuy | oh :) it is :) never mind |
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| 04:42.17 | techman | Grrrrrrr |
| 04:42.35 | techman | I need a linux guru for a non bzflag problem grrrrrr |
| 04:43.22 | brlcad | yeah, and I need someone to do my laundry |
| 04:43.25 | brlcad | but what can you do |
| 04:43.28 | jpa- | you shouldn't say grrrrrrr then |
| 04:43.35 | techman | Ok Gir |
| 04:43.37 | bzflagwiz | linux gurus come in lots of flavors |
| 04:43.38 | jpa- | everyone is too scared to help you :S |
| 04:43.45 | techman | Hahaha |
| 04:43.49 | techman | I'm not surprised |
| 04:43.57 | techman | I'm such a n00d |
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| 04:44.08 | techman | As in Anti-Leet |
| 04:44.24 | jpa- | and also, you positioned your line wrong and i read that you need a linux music guru |
| 04:44.30 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 04:44.31 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 04:44.31 | techman | Did my laundry yesterday ;) |
| 04:44.58 | techman | ~frustration |
| 04:44.59 | ibot | well, frustration is stupid, useless but DARN IT'S GOOD! |
| 04:45.38 | techman | ~linux |
| 04:45.39 | ibot | linux is, like, a cool operating system. http://www.linux.org |
| 04:45.48 | techman | LOL |
| 04:45.56 | bzflagwiz | techman: are you going to ask a question? |
| 04:46.10 | techman | I didn't know if I should in here though... It's non bzflag |
| 04:46.36 | techman | ~knoppix |
| 04:46.37 | ibot | techman, Knoppix != Debian, and #debian != #knoppix. /join #knoppix if you run Knoppix and have questions |
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| 04:47.34 | bzflagwiz | ~MeBigFatGuy++ |
| 04:47.36 | techman | That and i'm getting intoxicated so a guru's advice might not stick :( |
| 04:47.50 | MeBigFatGuy | building now... one sec |
| 04:49.30 | techman | how do I change my nick? |
| 04:49.43 | creeperz | /nick <nick |
| 04:49.49 | jpa- | morninh creeperz |
| 04:49.58 | creeperz | hello, jpa- |
| 04:50.17 | techman | grr |
| 04:50.40 | techman | nick spldart1 |
| 04:50.42 | jpa- | creeperz: please help me, that techman guy is scary |
| 04:50.48 | creeperz | heh |
| 04:50.51 | creeperz | whats goin on? |
| 04:51.03 | spldart1 | Sorry :( |
| 04:51.16 | spldart1 | Linux is frying my BSOD windoze brain |
| 04:51.20 | creeperz | spldart1: dotn forget to register your nick, aswell |
| 04:51.34 | spldart1 | register? |
| 04:51.44 | creeperz | /nickserv register <password> |
| 04:51.47 | orchid | spldart1: whats the problem your having with linux? |
| 04:51.56 | creeperz | then /nickserv identify <password> |
| 04:52.03 | creeperz | so people dont steal your nick |
| 04:52.27 | orchid | its /msg nickserv register pass |
| 04:52.27 | creeperz | someone has stolen my nick before |
| 04:52.30 | creeperz | not too fun |
| 04:52.45 | creeperz | orchid: dont need the msg part for services |
| 04:52.56 | jpa- | depends on the client |
| 04:53.02 | creeperz | ahhh |
| 04:53.05 | creeperz | that is true |
| 04:53.10 | orchid | hmm, I do for irrsi |
| 04:53.12 | jpa- | most clients have alias for nickserv |
| 04:53.26 | jpa- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.47 | spldart1 | >all... I'm trying to use Knoppix STD live cd mount a ntfs hdd on the host machine and then transfer files to my usb portable drive. |
| 04:53.56 | spldart1 | I know knoppix supports the usb drive too |
| 04:54.12 | spldart1 | But I'm having a heck of a time getting the ntfs hda1 mounted :( |
| 04:54.20 | spldart1 | Even after the universal root login |
| 04:54.44 | jpa- | mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/stuffie |
| 04:54.53 | orchid | does knoppix support ntfs though? the kernel it boots with |
| 04:55.24 | spldart1 | I did that... mount -t ntfs /Desktop/hda1/ /mnt/test/ |
| 04:55.27 | spldart1 | After I |
| 04:55.35 | jpa- | orchid: it should |
| 04:55.44 | jpa- | orchid: atleast newer versions |
| 04:55.44 | spldart1 | mkdir /test/ |
| 04:55.48 | spldart1 | And yeah |
| 04:55.57 | spldart1 | It's suppossed to support ntfs |
| 04:56.14 | jpa- | gtgt |
| 04:56.26 | spldart1 | It's a sweet and powerful utility for servicing stuff but I'm not adept at using it |
| 04:56.28 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (ares.vcproj bzflag.sln): add ares project |
| 04:57.16 | MeBigFatGuy | ok sussudio, put that in your pipe and smoke it |
| 04:57.29 | orchid | :) |
| 04:57.57 | spldart1 | anywho.... It keeps not finding either one dir or the other even after I've confirmed locations |
| 04:58.08 | sussudio | MeBigFatGuy: in soviet russia, pipe smokes you |
| 04:58.11 | spldart1 | Esp the 'mount to' place |
| 04:58.18 | spldart1 | LOL |
| 04:58.55 | orchid | spldart1: error messages should tell something |
| 04:58.55 | spldart1 | which is like... /ramdrive/knoppix/Desktop/ |
| 04:58.58 | spldart1 | or something like that |
| 04:59.08 | MeBigFatGuy | smoke a bunny then |
| 04:59.13 | spldart1 | it keeps telling me the mount to place is not a valid directory |
| 04:59.21 | sussudio | anyway, i'm using VC6, not VC71 |
| 05:00.07 | MeBigFatGuy | hehe |
| 05:00.08 | MeBigFatGuy | bummer |
| 05:00.15 | sussudio | or mingw32 at the moment |
| 05:00.18 | spldart1 | I've just been hammering away at combinations and permutations of the directory to mount to but it never accepts it :( |
| 05:00.20 | sussudio | compile takes about 2 hours |
| 05:00.21 | MeBigFatGuy | have to get DTR to fix it |
| 05:00.34 | orchid | spldart1: /ramdrive is in ram, I dont think it will let you mount stuff to it |
| 05:00.43 | spldart1 | hrm |
| 05:00.48 | orchid | spldart1: totaly guess,ive never used knop |
| 05:01.15 | spldart1 | knoppix std is a live cd so it installs to ramdrive |
| 05:01.37 | spldart1 | Maybe I should try installing to the usb drive :confused: |
| 05:02.18 | spldart1 | I want to grab ntfs files in XP and move them to my usb drive through knoppix |
| 05:02.31 | spldart1 | knoppix std 0.25 |
| 05:02.49 | spldart1 | or .1 |
| 05:03.49 | creeperz | MeBigFatGuy: whats a demographic? |
| 05:03.58 | MeBigFatGuy | group of people |
| 05:04.08 | spldart1 | ~demographic |
| 05:04.13 | creeperz | dont understand :-/ |
| 05:04.32 | orchid | 18-20 year olds |
| 05:04.33 | spldart1 | ~ibot get your ****** *** out here and define a word ;) |
| 05:04.39 | orchid | thats a demographic |
| 05:04.42 | MeBigFatGuy | "a target market" |
| 05:04.43 | creeperz | ~dict demographic |
| 05:05.02 | creeperz | ~more |
| 05:05.05 | ibot | [more] Displays the contents of the named files, one screenful at a time. Syntax: more (file1) (file2) ...(fileN). Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: more papers/history-final displays the file papers/history-final. |
| 05:05.12 | orchid | spldart1: try #knoppix maybe, I dont know that distro at all |
| 05:05.17 | creeperz | ~more dict |
| 05:05.19 | spldart1 | k |
| 05:05.26 | spldart1 | already have it open |
| 05:06.08 | creeperz | g'night |
| 05:06.21 | spldart1 | night |
| 05:11.28 | uso | spldart1: try: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 05:11.37 | uso | is ntfs there? |
| 05:11.47 | spldart1 | I'm not on it now |
| 05:11.54 | uso | ok :) |
| 05:11.55 | spldart1 | I booted to the live cd on this machine |
| 05:11.59 | spldart1 | I'm back on windows now |
| 05:12.12 | spldart1 | I need an easy way to jump on a machine with problems |
| 05:12.17 | spldart1 | Boot to live cd knoppix |
| 05:12.29 | spldart1 | and move stuff from the hdd to the usb drive |
| 05:13.25 | uso | don't know, never needed ntfs access from knoppix |
| 05:14.47 | spldart1 | kew |
| 05:15.44 | orchid | windows works right, your on it now? |
| 05:16.03 | orchid | so why cant you copy the files now? |
| 05:16.24 | spldart1 | I'm testing on my machine |
| 05:16.32 | spldart1 | I want to use it on another in the other room |
| 05:16.35 | orchid | oh |
| 05:16.51 | spldart1 | Or downt he road... Any windows machine that is fragging |
| 05:27.11 | spldart1 | #knoppix peeps say download 3.7 and try it instead... |
| 05:27.28 | sussudio | mEEEH. |
| 05:31.28 | spldart1 | Bzzzt |
| 05:32.11 | sussudio | somebody fix the glreset thing ktnx |
| 05:32.29 | spldart1 | hehe.. |
| 05:32.37 | spldart1 | Night all. I'm dead |
| 05:32.43 | MeBigFatGuy | mmmm |
| 05:32.46 | *** part/#bzflag spldart1 (~vircuser@cpe-67-10-210-195.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 05:33.12 | sussudio | MeBigFatGuy: someone took out the glreset thing between 2.0 and 2.0.2 and now my server list looks like crap. |
| 05:33.55 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/badfonts.png :-| |
| 05:35.19 | MeBigFatGuy | garsh thats purdy |
| 05:35.39 | brlcad | sweet |
| 05:35.45 | brlcad | where can I download that version? |
| 05:36.05 | sussudio | sourceforge :-P |
| 05:37.28 | sussudio | tomatosoup? |
| 05:39.15 | brlcad | mmm.. soup |
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| 06:24.30 | sgk284 | woah i think the bzfs src is talking to ... i just looked at my screen and 3 source files popped up in gvim... |
| 06:25.09 | sgk284 | I guess i may have hit something or highlighted and clicked, but it was cool:) |
| 06:25.20 | wegstar | hehe |
| 06:25.20 | sgk284 | s/talking to/talking to me |
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| 06:37.35 | wegstar | nite all |
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| 07:16.14 | brlcad | hmm.. vms |
| 07:16.32 | brlcad | vms: SHOW DEFAULT |
| 07:18.08 | vms | :D |
| 07:18.14 | vms | It's got nothing to do with the os. |
| 07:18.24 | brlcad | hrmph |
| 07:19.13 | brlcad | so no DELETE [BZFLAG_2;2] ? |
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| 07:21.10 | Liang | anyone here know how much does a programmer own per hour? and what about a project manager? |
| 07:21.51 | Liang | I am just doing a assignment at Uni. just need some figures. thanks. |
| 07:22.27 | Liang | well, i forgot to say, In Australia or Canada. |
| 07:25.28 | brlcad | as much as you can get :) |
| 07:25.57 | brlcad | completely depends on your skill, their pockets, your experience |
| 07:31.11 | jomojo | does anyone know who runs the bzflag.disconnected.de servers? |
| 07:33.33 | Liang | yes, true, i just need some avg figure,. |
| 07:35.20 | brlcad | Liang: there's no such thing |
| 07:35.50 | brlcad | I know some that have charged as little as 8/hr |
| 07:35.52 | jomojo | hi brlcad |
| 07:36.00 | brlcad | others that charge 250/hr |
| 07:36.00 | Liang | LOL |
| 07:36.38 | brlcad | that's not meant to be funny, it's how it is |
| 07:37.03 | brlcad | howdy jomojo |
| 07:37.07 | Liang | yeah, i c, you know. I just wanna put some figures in my paper. we have 4 students grouped together, to simulate the software engineering process. |
| 07:38.10 | Liang | i asked this question because i have no idea with Austrlian or Canada's IT industry. |
| 07:38.22 | brlcad | put what you think your time is worth to you |
| 07:39.09 | brlcad | and accounting for the work you'll have to do too, of course |
| 07:39.15 | brlcad | some jobs I'd easily do for free |
| 07:39.46 | brlcad | some I'd charge a couple thousand per hour that disgust me |
| 07:40.14 | jomojo | so for enough money you'll do anything? ;) |
| 07:41.05 | brlcad | almost ;) |
| 07:41.19 | jomojo | my kind of guy |
| 07:41.20 | Liang | well, it's just an execise. i should plan it with a project tool. just try to be reality. |
| 07:41.24 | brlcad | more I'd do for free so long as I get my toys |
| 07:41.41 | jomojo | :D |
| 07:42.19 | jomojo | yeah i got to say, a little greed seems nice these days, when i have been working for scraps for a while |
| 07:42.20 | brlcad | just happens to turn out that the ones that I'd more easily do for free are the ones that pay me the best too |
| 07:42.23 | brlcad | go figure |
| 07:48.36 | jomojo | brlcad i notice there has not been a 2.0.2 release for mac osx? what gives... i guess it really doesn't matter for me considering i am just building my own |
| 07:49.12 | sussudio | hm if i set the radeon opengl properties to default the fontycrap disappears |
| 07:51.22 | brlcad | jomojo, what gives? nothing gives |
| 07:51.28 | brlcad | just hasn't happened yet |
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| 07:53.03 | jomojo | so in other words i should just shut up and be patient? ;) |
| 07:57.52 | DTRemenak_lap | jomojo: while I didn't see the beginning of the convo, that's generally a happy policy :) (oh, and patches welcome if noone's said it yet, which I find unlikely) |
| 08:00.33 | brlcad | heh, yep |
| 08:22.15 | brlcad | vms: LOGOUT |
| 08:22.25 | Aribeth | lol |
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| 08:23.38 | sussudio | brlcad: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/empty.html |
| 08:24.50 | brlcad | vms doesn't do that! |
| 08:25.06 | sussudio | :-| |
| 08:25.19 | Aribeth_away | its been a while since i used vms |
| 08:25.30 | brlcad | i don't miss it |
| 08:25.38 | Aribeth_away | i dont either |
| 08:26.54 | brlcad | the little yellow engine that coulda coulda coulda but never did |
| 08:27.02 | Aribeth_away | i miss Coherent |
| 08:27.14 | DTRemenak_lap | brlcad: what's stopping you from running it now? ;) |
| 08:27.16 | brlcad | actually red and blue there at the end, I suppose |
| 08:27.57 | brlcad | DTRemenak_lap: don't have a system it'll run on without crashing |
| 08:28.09 | brlcad | hardware support issues |
| 08:28.12 | DTRemenak_lap | ah, that sucks |
| 08:28.27 | brlcad | an old pentium laptop is the closest I can get, but if I close the lid it kernel panics |
| 08:28.30 | DTRemenak_lap | although I'm surprised you don't have some old mac lying around that it'll run on |
| 08:29.05 | DTRemenak_lap | heh, so disconnect the lid switch :) |
| 08:29.56 | brlcad | i don't have macs that old |
| 08:30.12 | brlcad | r5 wouldn't install on the old imac |
| 08:30.31 | brlcad | i would have loved it on my dual g4 |
| 08:30.46 | DTRemenak_lap | heh :) |
| 08:31.06 | DTRemenak_lap | a friend of mine ran it on a G3 tower (beige) for a long time |
| 08:32.13 | DTRemenak_lap | I ran it on a pentium 100 for a while, actually. I was amazed that it could play two compressed movies at the same time, while running glteapot, without choking |
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| 08:33.36 | brlcad | yeah, that was fscking sweet |
| 08:34.10 | brlcad | I can barely do that on hardware that's 8 years newer |
| 08:34.21 | DTRemenak_lap | yeah :) |
| 08:35.05 | DTRemenak_lap | we showed my tech teacher that and he tried it on his athlon box (running winxp), which promptly bluescreened |
| 08:35.13 | brlcad | and the monthly developer e-mails.. i miss those.. funny |
| 08:35.22 | brlcad | hah |
| 08:36.59 | DTRemenak_lap | he decided that was an unfair comparison and tried it on a p4 running linux. the system stayed nice and responsive but the videos were kinda choppy |
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| 08:38.26 | brlcad | unfair?? |
| 08:38.49 | brlcad | unfair because one is a crippled gimpy piece of crap? |
| 08:38.53 | DTRemenak_lap | comparing anything with windows is unfair :) |
| 08:39.00 | DTRemenak_lap | yeah, pretty much |
| 08:39.22 | brlcad | yeah.. comparing it to a p4 is fair |
| 08:39.40 | DTRemenak_lap | hehe |
| 08:39.58 | brlcad | mm.. BeOS optimized for P4 or ... G5 that would have rocked |
| 08:40.03 | DTRemenak_lap | ooh |
| 08:40.32 | brlcad | stupid gasse |
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| 08:42.22 | DTRemenak_lap | oddly, that was one of the demonstrations that convinced him to move our servers to linux...since even under clear overload it was still running and responsive |
| 08:43.13 | DTRemenak_lap | I don't think he even considered running beos on anything though :( |
| 08:43.41 | DTRemenak_lap | it's so hard to pitch a dead os :) |
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| 08:43.57 | brlcad | if yellowtab really does have the source rights to 5.1, I would try out zeta |
| 08:45.34 | DTRemenak_lap | does it run on the g5? |
| 08:46.40 | brlcad | ooooh |
| 08:47.17 | brlcad | a march 18 news post says zeta 1.0 to be unveiled in japan at the open source conference |
| 08:48.15 | brlcad | rumor mill has it that yellowtab was given the rights to the unreleased BeOS R5.1alpha source code (german company) |
| 08:48.45 | DTRemenak_lap | yeah, I know that part. now reading their webpage to see what they are trying to do with it |
| 08:49.30 | brlcad | they've been porting apps to bundle a "deluxe" distribution with everything one might need |
| 08:50.04 | brlcad | including most all of the old be apps |
| 08:50.48 | brlcad | hmm.. their website was better last year |
| 08:56.56 | _Manu_ | brlcad, gnite! |
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| 12:27.48 | Birdie | ~[dmp]++ |
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| 13:33.15 | [dmp] | zzzoooong alert :) |
| 13:34.38 | |zongo| | eeeeks |
| 13:39.22 | jpa- | lalla |
| 13:48.21 | creeperz | run!! |
| 13:51.35 | jpa- | ~bzfrag creeperz |
| 13:51.37 | ibot | ACTION kills creeperz with a shot from his BZTank |
| 13:52.50 | mmu_man | ~tld .ca |
| 13:54.56 | jpa- | mmu_man: what should that return? |
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| 13:55.32 | jpa- | hi trd |
| 13:55.45 | mmu_man | canada |
| 13:56.21 | TheRedBaron | jpa-, i'm guessing you mean me... :) |
| 13:57.00 | TheRedBaron | Howday jpa- :)) |
| 13:57.00 | jpa- | TheRedBaron: why would i mean you? |
| 13:57.24 | TheRedBaron | jpa- thats what has me confused.. |
| 13:59.08 | jpa- | good :) |
| 13:59.12 | TheRedBaron | i'm basing it on the assumption that you accidently typed "trd" instead of "trb" |
| 13:59.12 | jpa- | it is a revenge |
| 13:59.38 | TheRedBaron | So i err on the side of being cavalier, and return the greeting :)) |
| 13:59.48 | jpa- | so i _did_ get you confused, didn't i? :) |
| 14:00.29 | TheRedBaron | I'll admit to it, to make you feel better :P |
| 14:00.47 | jpa- | :) |
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| 14:02.21 | TheRedBaron | but that doesn't necessarily mean i was :) |
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| 14:48.06 | menotume | mornin orchid |
| 14:48.22 | Birdie | hi orchid |
| 14:48.25 | orchid | hi |
| 14:48.26 | jpa- | monirng menotume |
| 14:48.43 | menotume | morning jpa- |
| 14:49.06 | jpa- | lol |
| 14:49.07 | jpa- | mew bzmap-system--experimental--0.2--patch-209 $ ls -lh maze.bzw |
| 14:49.07 | jpa- | -rw-r--r-- 1 petteri users 8.6M Mar 24 16:49 maze.bzw |
| 14:49.18 | jpa- | bzmap generates quite big maps :D |
| 14:50.06 | blast007 | wow, guess so ;) |
| 14:50.32 | TheRedBaron | hmm, this calls for a bigger radar... |
| 14:50.42 | menotume | hmmm |
| 14:50.46 | menotume | ~jpa--- |
| 14:50.53 | menotume | does that work? |
| 14:50.57 | menotume | just HAD to try |
| 14:51.31 | jpa- | it does :) |
| 14:51.36 | menotume | ~jpa-++ |
| 14:51.39 | menotume | :D |
| 14:52.56 | jpa- | wow |
| 14:53.01 | jpa- | gzip is cool :) |
| 14:53.02 | jpa- | Map size: uncompressed = 5054729, compressed = 245502 |
| 14:54.21 | blast007 | heh, it's like 5% of the original size |
| 14:54.53 | menotume | 5M map ? !! |
| 14:55.16 | jpa- | yup :) |
| 14:55.31 | jpa- | i just typed it with a text editor :) |
| 14:55.42 | menotume | lol |
| 14:55.47 | jpa- | actually, it is only 800kb anymore :) |
| 14:56.37 | menotume | let's see .... 5M .... a dialup user would have to wait 30 minutes for the map to download ? |
| 14:57.00 | blast007 | it compressed it to 245KB |
| 14:57.16 | menotume | ahhh, is it sent compressed ? |
| 14:57.33 | menotume | when joining a server ? |
| 14:57.37 | blast007 | think so |
| 14:57.40 | menotume | kewl |
| 14:57.55 | TheRedBaron | and then how does it uncompress? |
| 14:58.08 | blast007 | the client can do that |
| 14:58.09 | menotume | the client would have to do it |
| 14:58.22 | jpa- | yup |
| 14:58.28 | jpa- | Map size: uncompressed = 823492, compressed = 42172 |
| 14:59.44 | jpa- | maybe having 1600 (52800 faces) maze segments wasn't so cool :) |
| 15:00.05 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:03.06 | awelux__ | If you can download the maps from a different server than the game server... |
| 15:03.15 | awelux__ | It wouldn't disturb the game. |
| 15:03.22 | menotume | ? |
| 15:03.54 | menotume | jpa-: how's the frame rate with that map ? |
| 15:04.17 | blast007 | yeah, there's some command to make bzfs dump a cache out, that you can then put on a website |
| 15:04.30 | jpa- | menotume: i'd say ok :) |
| 15:04.36 | blast007 | then clients can download the map from there |
| 15:04.56 | jpa- | atleast now, it is down to 200 segments |
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| 15:10.39 | TheRedBaron | hmm brb |
| 15:10.55 | Birdie | hi sportchick |
| 15:11.13 | Rb2 | hi SC |
| 15:12.16 | SportChick | h birdie and rb2 |
| 15:12.54 | jpa- | hi sprotchick |
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| 15:24.36 | [dmp] | can someone, who can access m.b.o/league's database, check if all users got a md5password (l_player.md5password may not be empty) |
| 15:44.55 | Birdie | in the next release, is it possible to fix: with long names, and you do lagstats, the name goes in the number of the lag and hardly impossible to see it? so can you make the name to a limited number of letters, so all lag is always visable? |
| 15:46.29 | TheRedBaron | hmm, i find this amusing... |
| 15:46.32 | TheRedBaron | http://www.gopetition.co.uk/sign.php?currentregion=237&petid=4542 |
| 15:47.28 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: haha, that _is_ amusing ;) |
| 15:49.32 | TheRedBaron | Its pretty funny googling bzflag and seeing what you come up with ;) |
| 15:49.34 | blast007 | this gives more info: http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/4542.html |
| 15:49.49 | blast007 | apparently it was elmer fudd :) |
| 15:50.41 | TheRedBaron | haha! |
| 15:50.46 | TheRedBaron | http://www.gopetition.co.uk/sign.php?currentregion=237&petid=4542 |
| 15:50.51 | TheRedBaron | erk |
| 15:50.57 | TheRedBaron | http://www.noodleroni.com/gallery/bzflagparty/DSC00298 |
| 15:51.03 | TheRedBaron | nice cake ;) |
| 15:51.21 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:51.22 | TheRedBaron | i think you should shape it like a tank next time :) |
| 15:52.42 | SportChick | jpa-: hi |
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| 15:58.10 | TheRedBaron | blast007, we shall have to think of something to petition ;) |
| 15:58.23 | blast007 | :) |
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| 16:03.46 | AlexK | hi all |
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| 16:05.19 | blast007 | AlexK: hello |
| 16:06.16 | TheRedBaron | hmm, googling red baron and bzflag... brings some pretty interesting results.. |
| 16:06.58 | AlexK | I'm trying to get a private server running on Mac OS X for our network. Is there a BZFS configuration builder for Mac, too? |
| 16:07.56 | TheRedBaron | AlexK, are you talking about a LAN network or a WAN network? |
| 16:08.07 | AlexK | a lan |
| 16:08.47 | blast007 | there should be an HTML configuration builder, but I seem to recall some errors in it |
| 16:09.57 | AlexK | blast007: any idea how I run it? |
| 16:09.59 | blast007 | or you can look at the man page and write the configuration manually: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6s |
| 16:10.10 | blast007 | you just need to open the HTML file |
| 16:10.27 | AlexK | which I can't seem to find ;) |
| 16:10.35 | AlexK | but I'll take a look at the manpage |
| 16:10.47 | blast007 | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/bzfs_conf.html |
| 16:10.56 | AlexK | the link gives me an invalid manpage error |
| 16:11.10 | blast007 | hmm, that link works for me |
| 16:11.15 | AlexK | er the first link i ment |
| 16:11.20 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:11.32 | blast007 | the bzfman.cgi one, right? |
| 16:11.39 | AlexK | oh cool the second link is even better :) |
| 16:11.44 | AlexK | yeah the cgi one |
| 16:11.45 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:11.56 | blast007 | k, the first one works fine for me |
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| 16:12.30 | spldart | Morning |
| 16:12.38 | blast007 | good morning :) |
| 16:23.19 | AlexK | :( the builder gives me an error |
| 16:23.37 | AlexK | how do I correctly end this config file? |
| 16:23.45 | AlexK | #This is a bzfs configuration file. |
| 16:23.46 | AlexK | #Copy and paste into a simple text file and name it like sample.conf. |
| 16:23.46 | AlexK | #Use it like bzfs -conf sample.conf |
| 16:23.47 | AlexK | #Public description for the server |
| 16:23.47 | AlexK | -public "F-Film BZFlag" |
| 16:23.50 | AlexK | #Server Message displayed when player joins |
| 16:23.52 | AlexK | -srvmsg "Welcome to F-Film-BZFlag!" |
| 16:23.55 | AlexK | #Disable robots and the ROGER autopilot |
| 16:23.57 | AlexK | -prohibitBots |
| 16:24.00 | AlexK | #Administrator's password |
| 16:24.02 | AlexK | -password "peek1a1boo" |
| 16:24.05 | AlexK | #Randomly orient buildings |
| 16:24.07 | AlexK | -b |
| 16:24.08 | Birdie | .... |
| 16:24.10 | AlexK | #Limit Acceleration |
| 16:24.12 | AlexK | -a |
| 16:24.15 | AlexK | #Mandatory flags |
| 16:24.16 | Birdie | stop that |
| 16:24.17 | AlexK | +f good{20} +f bad{5} Problem building configuration file: TypeError: mainform.elements[el] has no properties |
| 16:24.18 | jpa- | argh! |
| 16:24.20 | AlexK | oops |
| 16:24.23 | AlexK | sorry |
| 16:24.26 | AlexK | I pasted into the wrong app |
| 16:24.32 | AlexK | sorry again |
| 16:24.52 | TheRedBaron | blast007, is that config builder you posted, is that Mr. Apathy cream's builder? |
| 16:24.55 | jpa- | i see your password :) |
| 16:25.01 | blast007 | no idea |
| 16:25.11 | Birdie | shhh jpa-;) |
| 16:25.15 | AlexK | :) |
| 16:26.06 | AlexK | doesn't matter as it is just a private lan server and not my usual password but that of a colleague ;) |
| 16:26.24 | blast007 | you can probably just remove the " Problem building configuration file: TypeError: mainform.elements[el] has no properties" part |
| 16:26.38 | AlexK | ok I'll try that |
| 16:26.50 | blast007 | iirc, the flags are the last thing that get added to the configuration file anyway, so it should work fine |
| 16:27.36 | TheRedBaron | blast007, what about the ingame start server, or the ones in the start menu(windows) |
| 16:28.07 | blast007 | well, the ingame one works too, but it doesn't provide near as many options |
| 16:28.26 | TheRedBaron | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/ |
| 16:28.44 | blast007 | and AlexK is on MacO OS X, not Windows, so the start menu won't work ;) |
| 16:29.13 | AlexK | and then starting the server with a doubleclick on bzfs? sorry am not really mac savy |
| 16:29.17 | TheRedBaron | blast007, granted. But there is a "counter part" or "similar something" right? |
| 16:29.26 | blast007 | not sure |
| 16:29.26 | TheRedBaron | ;) |
| 16:29.52 | TheRedBaron | alexK, try this http://www.qis.net/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFSBuilder.html |
| 16:29.57 | blast007 | AlexK: you will need to run bzfs -conf /path/to/your/configuration/file.conf |
| 16:30.00 | AlexK | right that's the main problem I have blast007 :) |
| 16:30.25 | AlexK | I am used to my windows stuff and am completely new to mac |
| 16:30.37 | blast007 | and I've only used OS X like once ;) |
| 16:30.39 | AlexK | ah ic I'll try that thx |
| 16:30.58 | blast007 | you'll need to open a terminal, cd to the right directory, etc |
| 16:31.27 | TheRedBaron | Blast007, same here, and never did try bzflag with it. |
| 16:32.08 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: also, that java builder looks like it's for an older version, maybe even 1.7 |
| 16:32.25 | blast007 | yeah, doesn't even mention Rabbit Chase ;) |
| 16:32.49 | AlexK | what is bzadmin for? |
| 16:33.09 | blast007 | it's a text based client for administration |
| 16:33.22 | blast007 | good for monitoring a server over SSH |
| 16:33.36 | AlexK | ic |
| 16:36.24 | TheRedBaron | blast007, yea, you are probally right. Looks pretty old :) But worked for me when i started a Lan server with 1.10.x :) |
| 16:36.32 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:37.24 | TheRedBaron | http://www.qis.net/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZPuzzle2.html |
| 16:37.44 | TheRedBaron | if you're bored |
| 16:39.55 | AlexK | it always tells me the it cannot find the configuration file :( |
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| 16:40.46 | Birdie | hi gina |
| 16:42.00 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: ping |
| 16:42.10 | TheRedBaron | learner: ping |
| 16:42.19 | TheRedBaron | (either one will do) |
| 16:42.29 | blast007 | AlexK: make sure you are giving it the _full_ path to the configuration file |
| 16:42.49 | TheRedBaron | AlexK, hold on, i'm trying to reach brlcad, he's our resident expertise on macs. |
| 16:43.17 | gina | tofu: ping |
| 16:43.20 | AlexK | aldarion% /Users/aldarion/Applications/Games/BZFlag-2.0.0.app/Contents/MacOS/bzfs -conf /Users/aldarion/Applications/Games/f-film.conf |
| 16:43.26 | TheRedBaron | ~seen tofu |
| 16:43.28 | ibot | tofu <~brlcad@brlcad.bronze.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 72d 16h 31m ago, saying: 'might have to put it off for this bz release though'. |
| 16:43.28 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: soon |
| 16:43.28 | AlexK | that's my command |
| 16:43.51 | brlcad | i'm going to try to get it done this weekend |
| 16:43.56 | TheRedBaron | ~whaleslap brlcad awake |
| 16:43.58 | ibot | ACTION slaps brlcad awake upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 16:44.39 | TheRedBaron | alexk, there he is, if you can get anything out of him, good luck :) |
| 16:44.47 | brlcad | what's up? |
| 16:44.54 | ToughShooter | AlexK: Are you using UNIX-style line breaks? |
| 16:44.59 | AlexK | brlcad: need help running server |
| 16:45.12 | TheRedBaron | if brlcad is of no help, try learner ;) |
| 16:45.25 | AlexK | er, you can ask questions. how can I tell? |
| 16:45.45 | brlcad | AlexK: what's the problem? |
| 16:46.06 | brlcad | AlexK: add -d -d -d to either the command line or the conf file to have it tell you what's going on |
| 16:46.20 | AlexK | I open a terminal and try to run bzfs with this line aldarion% /Users/aldarion/Applications/Games/BZFlag-2.0.0.app/Contents/MacOS/bzfs -conf /Users/aldarion/Applications/Games/f-film.conf |
| 16:46.33 | ToughShooter | When line endings are not LF the reported error is that the path is not correct, IIRC |
| 16:46.36 | AlexK | ah ok I'll try that |
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| 16:46.48 | blast007 | it's saying it can't find the conf file I think |
| 16:47.09 | AlexK | yeah it is saying that it can't find the conf |
| 16:47.46 | ToughShooter | Does it work with the sample config file? |
| 16:47.57 | AlexK | wasn't able to find it |
| 16:48.32 | ToughShooter | Have you checked out CVS? |
| 16:49.51 | AlexK | ok, now it runs. everything I changed was adding -d -d -d to the first line of the config file |
| 16:49.54 | AlexK | weird |
| 16:50.27 | brlcad | AlexK: sounds like you have a typo or other bad parameter in your config file |
| 16:50.40 | brlcad | probably right after the -d's |
| 16:50.52 | AlexK | it was created with one of these html builders |
| 16:51.37 | TheRedBaron | blast007, why didn't we think of those -d's?!? |
| 16:51.58 | blast007 | never had that cause the conf file to not load ;) |
| 16:52.03 | ToughShooter | AlexK: Did you use Firefox for that? Firefox displays the result using CR's on Mac OS X. |
| 16:53.07 | TheRedBaron | well dang, brlcad swoops in , steals the glory and saves the day...... again. |
| 16:53.13 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:53.30 | TheRedBaron | ~brlcad++ |
| 16:53.38 | AlexK | hmpf yeah Firefox it was :/ |
| 16:53.46 | brlcad | AlexK: still, the html thing might be outputing something incorrect |
| 16:54.16 | brlcad | i forget which it is, but one of the options does that |
| 16:54.28 | AlexK | well I would post what it output, but that got me a penalty already before :) |
| 16:55.06 | brlcad | no, don't post it here |
| 16:55.10 | brlcad | post it to a url |
| 16:55.20 | ToughShooter | ~ToughShooter |
| 16:55.21 | ibot | rumour has it, toughshooter is a guy who tries to be nice, is most of the time confused and needs to use pastebin next times |
| 16:55.21 | brlcad | pastebin.com if you don't have access otherwise |
| 16:55.23 | blast007 | www.pastebin.ca |
| 16:56.02 | TheRedBaron | wisdom from experience? ;) |
| 16:56.21 | ToughShooter | AlexK: Don't paste stuff directly from Firefox - it will break the line endings (with the results you've seen). Try converting it to LF with an editor like SubEthaEdit. |
| 16:56.31 | AlexK | http://pastebin.ca/8146 |
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| 16:59.38 | AlexK | how do I start the client in windowed mode on mac? |
| 17:00.17 | blast007 | bzflag -window |
| 17:00.29 | AlexK | thx |
| 17:00.39 | blast007 | can't remember if that work on macs |
| 17:00.46 | blast007 | might need to be an SDL build |
| 17:00.53 | AlexK | we'll see in a moment ;) |
| 17:00.57 | blast007 | hehe |
| 17:01.43 | menotume | is CIA script on sf having probs send mail for you guys ? |
| 17:01.47 | AlexK | hmpf works, but the keyboard input doesn't work |
| 17:02.12 | AlexK | but the startup screen looks really nice ;) |
| 17:03.47 | blast007 | AlexK: heh |
| 17:03.56 | TheRedBaron | yum lunch time |
| 17:04.06 | AlexK | bon apettit |
| 17:04.29 | TheRedBaron | Good luck setting up your server alexK |
| 17:04.34 | AlexK | thx |
| 17:04.58 | TheRedBaron | ~quit have fun and frag lots |
| 17:05.01 | TheRedBaron | erk |
| 17:05.14 | TheRedBaron | wrong syntax |
| 17:06.28 | AlexK | did anyone take a look at the config file at pastebin? |
| 17:07.48 | Chestal | the "-a" is wrong AFAIK |
| 17:07.56 | Chestal | it takes parameters, if you really want it |
| 17:08.12 | AlexK | ic |
| 17:08.32 | AlexK | thx |
| 17:10.47 | AlexK | cya guys gotta go for now |
| 17:10.55 | AlexK | thx for your help |
| 17:11.04 | brlcad | Chestal: do you feel any different now? :) |
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| 17:12.34 | |zongo| | hey all, i tried to build 2.0.3 and got an error |
| 17:12.46 | Chestal | brlcad: uhm, different than when? |
| 17:13.12 | menotume | |zongo|: what is the error ? |
| 17:13.13 | brlcad | than.. oh say 4 days ago |
| 17:13.35 | |zongo| | smthing about ares_expand_name... |
| 17:13.54 | menotume | ahh, ok, not me then :P |
| 17:14.23 | |zongo| | heh |
| 17:16.58 | |zongo| | the error look like this: |
| 17:17.00 | |zongo| | ares_expand_name.c: In function `ares_expand_name': |
| 17:17.00 | |zongo| | ares_expand_name.c:76: error: `INDIR_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 17:17.00 | |zongo| | ares_expand_name.c:76: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 17:17.00 | |zongo| | ares_expand_name.c:76: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 17:17.00 | |zongo| | ares_expand_name.c: In function `name_length': |
| 17:17.01 | |zongo| | ares_expand_name.c:123: error: `INDIR_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 17:17.21 | menotume | you on windoze, zongo ? |
| 17:17.30 | |zongo| | macosx |
| 17:17.35 | menotume | ugh |
| 17:17.39 | menotume | i have no idea |
| 17:17.41 | JeffM2501 | ares has issues |
| 17:17.46 | JeffM2501 | big issues |
| 17:17.56 | JeffM2501 | tupone, you around? |
| 17:21.19 | menotume | is that ares-stuff used for anything yet ? |
| 17:22.02 | menotume | if not, could just comment out the offending lines to get your build, zongo |
| 17:23.27 | blast007 | well, that error is aprrently in one of the ares files, so commenting that out would probably just cause more errors ;) |
| 17:23.31 | JeffM2501 | it's spread over a number of places |
| 17:23.41 | JeffM2501 | I'ts used |
| 17:23.45 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to be fixed |
| 17:25.09 | |zongo| | well...i'll wait :) |
| 17:25.20 | |zongo| | thx for help anyway ;) |
| 17:26.22 | JeffM2501 | I've got messages into those who need to answer the quesions about it, so hopefully it can be fixed soon |
| 17:46.09 | spldart | gonna reboot |
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| 17:54.19 | JeffM2501 | ibot megaman is a super fighting robot. |
| 17:54.20 | ibot | okay, JeffM2501 |
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| 17:57.50 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: fixing ban command, now can use quotes for banning using callsign |
| 18:03.24 | orchid | ~_Manu_++ |
| 18:03.44 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 18:04.10 | _Manu_ | i'm thinking in adding slots to your /mute /unmute what do you think? |
| 18:04.43 | jpa- | llala |
| 18:07.09 | jpa- | i'm going away for two days, will you people be unhappy? |
| 18:07.57 | JeffM2501 | not entrely sure it will affect us |
| 18:08.01 | JeffM2501 | where are you going to? |
| 18:08.14 | JeffM2501 | Vegas? |
| 18:08.34 | jpa- | i don't know the word :P |
| 18:08.48 | JeffM2501 | you don't know the word for the place you are going to? |
| 18:08.56 | jpa- | to the middle of forest near a lake |
| 18:09.01 | JeffM2501 | camping? |
| 18:09.11 | jpa- | umm.. except without a tent |
| 18:09.21 | JeffM2501 | just out in the stars? |
| 18:09.27 | JeffM2501 | or in like a cabin? |
| 18:09.29 | jpa- | no, in a house.. |
| 18:09.33 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:09.47 | jpa- | a bit too cool to go camping now :P |
| 18:09.57 | JeffM2501 | some people like the winter camping |
| 18:10.01 | JeffM2501 | ice fishing and all that |
| 18:10.31 | jpa- | yup, we'll probably go ice fishing too |
| 18:10.44 | jpa- | except without the fish usually.. |
| 18:10.49 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:10.57 | JeffM2501 | isn't that just "Ice waiting" ? |
| 18:11.38 | jpa- | except with the holes in the ice |
| 18:11.53 | JeffM2501 | is it fun? |
| 18:12.12 | jpa- | it is boring |
| 18:12.26 | jpa- | but for some reason, it must be done atleast once in the winter :) |
| 18:14.04 | JeffM2501 | ahh like christmas |
| 18:14.36 | jpa- | except without the presents |
| 18:14.49 | JeffM2501 | frostbite is it's own reward! |
| 18:15.00 | jpa- | hmm.. |
| 18:15.19 | jpa- | i've never got any |
| 18:15.49 | jpa- | ~dict ponder |
| 18:15.51 | JeffM2501 | probably for the best |
| 18:16.04 | JeffM2501 | I have to decide what way to go |
| 18:16.08 | JeffM2501 | new code |
| 18:16.11 | JeffM2501 | or mod old code |
| 18:16.15 | jpa- | ah, abstract :) |
| 18:16.48 | jpa- | it seems that ponder is synonym for every word in english |
| 18:17.02 | JeffM2501 | at least it's not the word moot |
| 18:17.11 | JeffM2501 | it means it's own oposite |
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| 19:27.40 | bzflagwiz | Is there a debug mode for bzflag client similar to -d -d -d -d for bzfs? |
| 19:30.29 | jpa- | bzflagwiz: yes |
| 19:30.42 | jpa- | except, only -d |
| 19:35.40 | bzflagwiz | Does it put the debug output in a file somewhere? |
| 19:36.29 | jpa- | nope |
| 19:36.35 | jpa- | not much debug output anyway |
| 19:36.41 | jpa- | what would you like to see? |
| 19:37.58 | bzflagwiz | bzflag compiles fine (windows w/ mingw) , but when I fire it up it starts loading, then the screen resets a few times and then bzflag dies |
| 19:38.08 | bzflagwiz | I'd like to know where and why it dies... |
| 19:38.59 | jpa- | have tried to delete the config folder? |
| 19:39.12 | bzflagwiz | I know there were some "issues" introduced into the source the past few days that affected windows, but I thought they were compilation issues, not running issues |
| 19:39.21 | bzflagwiz | yes, I deleted the config folder |
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| 19:46.28 | cosmos | ok so how do you disallow /poll set commands? |
| 19:46.58 | jpa- | in group file, you take that right from everybody |
| 19:47.10 | cosmos | whats the right? |
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| 19:47.33 | cosmos | im assuming its on by default since i didnt explicitly set it up |
| 19:47.57 | jpa- | hmm |
| 19:48.28 | jpa- | default for everyone is EVERYONE: actionMessage adminMessageSend flagHistory date idleStats lagStats privateMessage |
| 19:48.34 | jpa- | so it is only in registered |
| 19:48.58 | jpa- | which you could set like VERIFIED: vote poll |
| 19:49.12 | blast007 | POLLSET is for /poll set |
| 19:49.13 | cosmos | yeah my registered players are abusing it. everyone of them is getting a lifetime ban but i need to turn this off |
| 19:59.23 | _Manu_ | cosmos, add -POLLSET to your group |
| 19:59.43 | _Manu_ | for disabling /poll set |
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| 20:01.27 | cosmos | got it thanks |
| 20:01.40 | cosmos | czesc newbie_dont |
| 20:01.52 | newbie_dont | czesc |
| 20:02.18 | newbie_dont | cosmos, czy my siê znamy ? :) |
| 20:02.36 | _Manu_ | cosmos, remember /reload ;) |
| 20:02.43 | cosmos | heh brb! |
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| 20:26.33 | kbrooks|bzflag | Hey |
| 20:26.55 | kbrooks|bzflag | I have a question |
| 20:27.14 | kbrooks|bzflag | How do I identify tanks? |
| 20:28.08 | kbrooks|bzflag | Well? |
| 20:32.25 | jpa- | with 'i'? :) |
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| 20:38.00 | kbrooks|bzflag | ok |
| 20:38.01 | kbrooks|bzflag | ty |
| 20:38.24 | jpa- | hi braddie |
| 20:38.53 | brad2901 | hey jpa |
| 20:39.28 | jpa- | don't cry |
| 20:39.41 | brad2901 | ? |
| 20:40.03 | jpa- | i'll be gone only for two days |
| 20:40.08 | jpa- | it is not that bad |
| 20:40.18 | brad2901 | ok.. |
| 20:44.07 | bryjen | right-click also identifies the tank your looking at |
| 20:46.09 | blast007 | also, if you are an observer, you can press 'L' to show tank labels |
| 20:47.36 | jpa- | also, you can u-click-click-click every player in turns and check their positions on radar :P |
| 20:50.58 | cosmos | Tue Mar 22 21:37:08 2005 |
| 20:50.59 | cosmos | Reported by sharpshooter: let me get into secretplace |
| 20:52.09 | JeffM2501 | is sharpshooter, coh? |
| 20:52.32 | cosmos | dunno just found that in my reports |
| 20:52.49 | JeffM2501 | why would your server have anyting to do with sp? |
| 20:52.56 | cosmos | beats me |
| 20:53.04 | JeffM2501 | humans are stupid some times |
| 20:55.22 | jpa- | nope |
| 20:55.33 | jpa- | human are always stupid, more or less |
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| 20:59.02 | jpa- | gnight JeffM2501 |
| 20:59.08 | JeffM2501 | it's noon |
| 20:59.24 | jpa- | it is not |
| 20:59.28 | jpa- | it is evening |
| 21:01.10 | cosmos | but since sharpshooter left me a message ill be happy to oblige him with a lifetime ban |
| 21:02.33 | JeffM2501 | you don't want him watching the womens cable network? |
| 21:02.59 | cosmos | no one should be allowed to watch that crap |
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| 21:04.41 | JeffM2501 | noone should be allowed to watch most things on cable |
| 21:04.41 | JeffM2501 | except firefly |
| 21:04.43 | JeffM2501 | everyone should watch firefly |
| 21:04.55 | cosmos | a tv should not be allowed period |
| 21:05.05 | JeffM2501 | except firefly |
| 21:05.45 | bryjen | didn't that get canceled? |
| 21:05.58 | JeffM2501 | sadly |
| 21:06.05 | JeffM2501 | fox is stupid |
| 21:06.58 | bryjen | i figured it was becuase it had /writers/ , and they were good ones, so wanted /money/ |
| 21:07.20 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
| 21:07.32 | JeffM2501 | they also had it at a bad timeslot |
| 21:07.36 | JeffM2501 | so it didn't get watched |
| 21:07.41 | JeffM2501 | and they showed it out of order |
| 21:07.49 | JeffM2501 | the movie will be out in sept |
| 21:07.54 | JeffM2501 | that will be a good day |
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| 21:15.55 | stevek | exit |
| 21:15.58 | stevek | oops |
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| 21:17.21 | stevek | hello |
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| 22:27.04 | brlcad | hmm.. what to eat |
| 22:27.10 | brlcad | sushi or steak |
| 22:27.40 | Aribeth | im eatting crow i guess |
| 22:27.46 | |zongo| | steak ;-) |
| 22:28.02 | Birdie | mc donalds |
| 22:28.11 | Aribeth | i just got a 60 day notice to vacate my house |
| 22:28.35 | Aribeth | the owners want to move back in |
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| 22:29.22 | kierra | chestal? |
| 22:29.33 | brlcad | Aribeth: ahh, fun |
| 22:29.42 | Aribeth | yep |
| 22:29.52 | Aribeth | and im on disability tio |
| 22:30.11 | brlcad | when it rains |
| 22:30.20 | Aribeth | it pours |
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| 22:34.25 | Birdie | chestal: you have 5 reds against 6 greens for the moment |
| 22:34.39 | Birdie | was good for a long time but now it bugs again |
| 22:35.54 | Chestal | :-( |
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| 22:42.16 | Pimpinella | yeah, noticed it on viper too |
| 22:42.50 | Pimpinella | the latest changes didn't fix it |
| 22:51.07 | brlcad | bug? |
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| 22:58.44 | Birdie | more peoples go on server |
| 22:58.49 | Birdie | than it allows |
| 22:58.56 | Birdie | like ducati is 4vs4 |
| 22:59.00 | Birdie | it was 6 vs 6 at one point.. |
| 22:59.22 | Mr_Molez | when it was 2 greens and 4 reds.. as soon as i left ppl could join green again |
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| 23:55.28 | cosmos | hrm |
| 23:58.28 | bzflagwiz | Does anyone know if a working bzflag on windows can be compiled from the sources as they currently exist in cvs head? |
