| 00:00.11 | Aribeth | i pay $65.00 per month for my server |
| 00:00.47 | JeffM2501 | all you would need would be 16 "premium" subscribers and you'd cover costs :) |
| 00:01.05 | cosmos | i run about $100 per month in bandwidth costs on the hepcat servers |
| 00:01.08 | Aribeth | yup |
| 00:01.26 | techman | wow? |
| 00:01.28 | techman | that much? |
| 00:01.36 | techman | What kind of connection ? |
| 00:01.54 | Aribeth | for $65.00 per month i get 1TB transfer |
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| 00:02.09 | JeffM2501 | that's a prety good deal |
| 00:02.14 | cosmos | yeah it is |
| 00:02.18 | cosmos | whos the provider |
| 00:02.25 | Pimpinella | 25 Euro here |
| 00:02.25 | Aribeth | i plan on doing web hosting soon |
| 00:02.37 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: http://www.bestselectionsunlimited.com/e05885.html |
| 00:02.38 | Aribeth | colomart |
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| 00:03.03 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, yeah we've bene looking at them here for CAM visualisation |
| 00:03.17 | JeffM2501 | haven't been able to convince the bossman to get one yet tho. |
| 00:04.18 | Aribeth | my home dedicated dsl costs 110.00 per month |
| 00:04.25 | JeffM2501 | ouch |
| 00:04.30 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: nod. |
| 00:04.32 | JeffM2501 | what kinda bandwith is on that |
| 00:04.39 | Aribeth | i get 3.2 mb stable |
| 00:04.44 | JeffM2501 | both ways? |
| 00:04.51 | Aribeth | 600kb up |
| 00:05.10 | JeffM2501 | I get 608 up, 3-6 down for like 37$ |
| 00:05.19 | Aribeth | the phone line in the hose is messed up |
| 00:05.25 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:05.31 | JeffM2501 | I can see my RT from the porch :) |
| 00:05.39 | Aribeth | so only dedicated works |
| 00:06.00 | JeffM2501 | sux0rz |
| 00:06.03 | Aribeth | yup |
| 00:06.27 | Aribeth | the phone co. wanted 60.00 per 30 minutes to look at it |
| 00:06.48 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 00:06.56 | JeffM2501 | I'd just get a box of cat 5 and rewire the house |
| 00:06.57 | Aribeth | thats what i said |
| 00:06.58 | JeffM2501 | it's notar hard |
| 00:07.20 | Aribeth | there is some sort of short in the line |
| 00:07.30 | JeffM2501 | that is why you just replace it all :) |
| 00:07.41 | Aribeth | not my house though |
| 00:07.48 | Aribeth | or i would |
| 00:07.52 | JeffM2501 | they'll never know :) |
| 00:07.57 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 00:08.06 | JeffM2501 | rental? |
| 00:08.09 | Aribeth | yup |
| 00:08.32 | cosmos | just had an earthquake |
| 00:08.35 | JeffM2501 | plug the DSL line in right at the outer box, then run wireless to the comps |
| 00:08.59 | JeffM2501 | where cosmos? |
| 00:09.01 | Aribeth | the dsl is on the second pair |
| 00:09.03 | cosmos | santa monica, ca |
| 00:09.11 | Aribeth | EEK! |
| 00:09.15 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, I didn't feel anything |
| 00:09.20 | JeffM2501 | how big? |
| 00:09.23 | Aribeth | whew, im up north |
| 00:09.23 | cosmos | it was a real small roller |
| 00:09.27 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:09.38 | JeffM2501 | those usualy don't make it thru the hills |
| 00:10.43 | Aribeth | well, im not running wireless here. no need to. |
| 00:11.07 | Aribeth | i have the house wired with cat 5 |
| 00:11.20 | JeffM2501 | then use that for the phone too :) |
| 00:11.20 | cosmos | multiple workers felt it, im not crazy |
| 00:11.39 | cosmos | true |
| 00:11.47 | cosmos | your in santa monica? |
| 00:11.51 | JeffM2501 | moorpark |
| 00:12.07 | Aribeth | where is moorpark? |
| 00:12.11 | JeffM2501 | down the 101 |
| 00:12.11 | cosmos | i used to travel past moorpark daily |
| 00:12.15 | cosmos | when i was working in ventura |
| 00:12.26 | Aribeth | southren CA? |
| 00:12.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:12.33 | cosmos | moorpark is near Amgen land right? |
| 00:12.42 | JeffM2501 | amgen is in Thousand Oaks |
| 00:12.43 | Aribeth | ahh, im in the bay area |
| 00:12.46 | JeffM2501 | next town over |
| 00:12.49 | cosmos | yeah |
| 00:12.52 | cosmos | same difference |
| 00:12.57 | cosmos | but up that way |
| 00:13.00 | JeffM2501 | we don't think so :) |
| 00:13.11 | JeffM2501 | TO people are stuck up |
| 00:13.13 | cosmos | Amgen land is scary. employees with handguns |
| 00:13.28 | JeffM2501 | they have the mall tho |
| 00:13.38 | cosmos | i did a contract there. had a gun pulled on me because i said something bad about bush |
| 00:13.45 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 00:13.55 | JeffM2501 | I've never been in the compound |
| 00:13.56 | Aribeth | wow |
| 00:14.03 | cosmos | its a big place |
| 00:14.10 | JeffM2501 | rather |
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| 00:16.06 | Aribeth | eq2?? |
| 00:16.16 | JeffM2501 | EverQuest 2 |
| 00:16.20 | Aribeth | ahhh |
| 00:16.27 | Aribeth | i havnt tried it |
| 00:16.36 | JeffM2501 | it can be fun |
| 00:16.46 | Pimpinella | hm, CIA sleeping? |
| 00:16.49 | Aribeth | i have heard |
| 00:17.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.h bzfs.cxx commands.cxx): /countdown pause and /countdown resume to pause/resume countdown. client side was implemented by sf patch #1100328 (arigo) |
| 00:17.51 | Aribeth | is that the game where admins can sumon players? |
| 00:18.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:18.27 | JeffM2501 | a GM can summon you |
| 00:18.36 | JeffM2501 | you have to be REALY bad for that to happen tho |
| 00:18.43 | Aribeth | i wish bz had that sometimes |
| 00:19.05 | JeffM2501 | we've talked about the ability to bump players to observer |
| 00:19.14 | JeffM2501 | and remove tehre spawn perm temporaraly |
| 00:19.15 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 00:19.30 | JeffM2501 | bz dosn't realy have the concept of "zones" or a truly masive world |
| 00:19.44 | Aribeth | yup |
| 00:20.06 | JeffM2501 | nor does it required an authenticated account system with unique avatars per player |
| 00:20.19 | cosmos | id rather just have the option to make their computers explode. |
| 00:20.26 | Aribeth | heh |
| 00:20.31 | Pimpinella | g'nite |
| 00:22.32 | techman | woah |
| 00:22.41 | techman | that nascar map is cool in a weird way |
| 00:23.22 | Aribeth | or send them a message "resistance is futile, you will be delt with" |
| 00:23.24 | Aribeth | :P |
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| 00:36.24 | techman | I know it's not 'exactly' bzflag but.... Discovery channel 8 central "Tank School" They follow Marine corp recruits through m1a1 tank training. |
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| 00:41.21 | JeffM2501 | there was the special "erase your hard drive" version of bzflag a while ago |
| 00:41.32 | Aribeth | EEK! |
| 00:41.44 | JeffM2501 | it was only sent to one very special user |
| 00:41.49 | JeffM2501 | and only ran on his machine |
| 00:42.22 | JeffM2501 | ohh it was just for cell a very long long time ago |
| 00:42.37 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 00:42.51 | JeffM2501 | or was it bzedit |
| 00:42.54 | JeffM2501 | I don't remember |
| 00:43.02 | JeffM2501 | the first thing it did was eat itself |
| 00:43.08 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 00:43.32 | JeffM2501 | I should have made it play the sound "I HUNGER" as it ran |
| 00:43.41 | Aribeth | LOL |
| 00:44.01 | Aribeth | who was the lucky person? |
| 00:44.09 | JeffM2501 | perfect cell |
| 00:44.14 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 00:44.28 | Aribeth | and why was he the lucky one? |
| 00:44.55 | JeffM2501 | he was one of the grandaddy cheaters/asshats |
| 00:45.04 | JeffM2501 | back in the day |
| 00:45.10 | techman | lol |
| 00:45.13 | Aribeth | ahh i see |
| 00:45.45 | orchid | didnt you do a cleint that "talked" |
| 00:45.53 | JeffM2501 | he is the origin of the term "no we will not help you make your stupid game" in the bzbb faq |
| 00:46.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:46.03 | JeffM2501 | that was for somone else tho |
| 00:46.25 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 00:46.27 | JeffM2501 | it would randomly shout out commens about the players sexual intersts |
| 00:46.40 | JeffM2501 | and there fondness for animals |
| 00:46.57 | Aribeth | hummm |
| 00:47.01 | JeffM2501 | exspecialy male chickens |
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| 00:47.12 | techman | lmao |
| 00:47.13 | Aribeth | ROFLOL! |
| 00:47.29 | JeffM2501 | forgot who that was for |
| 00:47.45 | orchid | well thats what you get for asking Jeff to make a cheatclient for you |
| 00:47.56 | JeffM2501 | I mean what do you expect when you ask ME to compile a cheat client for ya |
| 00:48.13 | Aribeth | a borg client would be good |
| 00:48.24 | JeffM2501 | that did what? |
| 00:48.33 | Aribeth | run it and your computer is asimilated |
| 00:48.40 | JeffM2501 | with what? |
| 00:49.05 | Aribeth | the sound of the borg collective |
| 00:49.07 | JeffM2501 | make it install the bonzai buddy |
| 00:49.16 | Aribeth | ooooooo |
| 00:49.28 | Aribeth | i hated that thingy |
| 00:50.18 | JeffM2501 | and ten thousand copys of gator |
| 00:50.28 | Aribeth | heh |
| 00:50.52 | creeperz | JeffM2501: did cell run it? |
| 00:52.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:52.25 | JeffM2501 | shut him down for a couple days |
| 00:52.32 | creeperz | oh man |
| 00:52.35 | creeperz | thats funny :-) |
| 00:52.39 | Aribeth | :) |
| 00:52.43 | creeperz | cell was a prick :-/ |
| 00:52.50 | creeperz | always came on IRC and spammed |
| 00:53.22 | creeperz | lol |
| 00:53.38 | JeffM2501 | well after he filled a web server of mine with german porn I wasn't too happy |
| 00:53.50 | creeperz | just to think, the "uber l33t fscktard" has a giant purple gorilla sitting on his toolbar :-P |
| 00:53.56 | creeperz | holy crap |
| 00:54.02 | creeperz | JeffM2501: howd he do that? |
| 00:54.30 | creeperz | lol |
| 00:54.31 | JeffM2501 | hole in cvs |
| 00:54.35 | creeperz | oh |
| 00:54.38 | JeffM2501 | anon pserver |
| 00:54.42 | creeperz | ahh |
| 00:54.48 | creeperz | JeffM2501: good retaliation |
| 00:54.57 | JeffM2501 | it was long long ago |
| 00:55.06 | techman | ooo ooo... I have a question... how can I log everything that has been said on my server while I'm not logged in??? |
| 00:55.31 | creeperz | -dddd |
| 00:55.38 | creeperz | err, nevermind |
| 00:55.40 | JeffM2501 | when you run bzfs dump it to a file |
| 00:55.41 | techman | That puts it in the dos box |
| 00:55.46 | JeffM2501 | when you run it |
| 00:55.49 | techman | How? |
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| 00:55.54 | JeffM2501 | do > somefile.txt |
| 00:55.58 | JeffM2501 | after the command line |
| 00:56.03 | JeffM2501 | that will redirect to the file |
| 00:56.25 | techman | so my shorcut line..... >somefile.txt |
| 00:56.36 | JeffM2501 | space > space file.txt |
| 00:57.07 | techman | Sweet.... Do I need to specify a directory or will somefile.txt put it in the bz folder? |
| 00:57.16 | JeffM2501 | the file is a file and ath |
| 00:57.18 | JeffM2501 | path |
| 00:57.30 | JeffM2501 | if you just do a filename it'll go in the current working dir |
| 00:57.36 | JeffM2501 | if you want it somewhere else, put the path in |
| 00:57.47 | JeffM2501 | that is asuming 98 works like the 32bit OSs |
| 00:57.52 | techman | Which would be c:bz/bzflag2.0.2/ |
| 00:58.04 | techman | lemme try |
| 00:58.09 | JeffM2501 | probably need the short name on 98 |
| 00:58.20 | JeffM2501 | _bzflag2 or what ever the short name is |
| 00:58.39 | creeperz | JeffM2501: whats a "jitter" |
| 00:58.48 | wegstar | remember, nothing will show up in the console after this, and you'll have to open the file to see what's happening... |
| 00:58.51 | JeffM2501 | jitter is the rate in change of lag |
| 00:58.58 | creeperz | oh |
| 00:58.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:59.07 | JeffM2501 | it'll redirect all output to the file |
| 00:59.25 | JeffM2501 | even the startup stuff |
| 00:59.33 | Aribeth | in linux you can use tail -f file.log |
| 00:59.48 | JeffM2501 | what's that do? |
| 00:59.51 | wegstar | which would... |
| 01:00.22 | techman | oooOOOooo... That crashed bad :( |
| 01:00.23 | menotume | monitors the file, showing last xx lines |
| 01:00.33 | Aribeth | it shows the last few lines of the file and all new lines added to the file |
| 01:00.40 | menotume | that too |
| 01:01.04 | creeperz | ..oO0()()0Oo.. |
| 01:01.10 | Aribeth | -f will stream lines to the console as they are written to the file |
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| 01:01.34 | techman | C:\bz\BZFlag2.0.2\bzfs.exe -conf C:\bz\BZFlag2.0.2\data\test.conf > myserverlog.txt |
| 01:01.40 | Aribeth | SportChick, Hi |
| 01:01.49 | SportChick | Aribeth: hi there |
| 01:02.15 | techman | but it crashed:( |
| 01:02.20 | Aribeth | ahh yes, that works too |
| 01:02.36 | JeffM2501 | techman, error? |
| 01:03.05 | techman | the bzfs dos box scrolled all the recognized commands then closed |
| 01:03.11 | techman | I assume it didn't like what it saw |
| 01:03.20 | JeffM2501 | run it from the terminal |
| 01:03.24 | JeffM2501 | see what the error is |
| 01:03.34 | JeffM2501 | what is your command line? |
| 01:03.36 | techman | how would I do that? |
| 01:03.44 | JeffM2501 | start menu |
| 01:03.46 | techman | run |
| 01:03.48 | JeffM2501 | MSDOS prompt |
| 01:04.01 | JeffM2501 | then cd to the dir |
| 01:04.02 | wegstar | 'cmd' |
| 01:04.04 | JeffM2501 | and do your command line |
| 01:04.11 | JeffM2501 | cmd isn't on 9x IIRC |
| 01:04.21 | wegstar | yeah... |
| 01:04.28 | wegstar | command |
| 01:04.29 | wegstar | then |
| 01:04.40 | JeffM2501 | or the shortcut to MSDOS prompt |
| 01:04.46 | JeffM2501 | it's in programs probably |
| 01:05.03 | JeffM2501 | 9x may not do redirect |
| 01:05.09 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't even have nslookup |
| 01:05.32 | Aribeth | windows 9x is crippled |
| 01:05.35 | wegstar | wow |
| 01:05.54 | JeffM2501 | well it isn't cripled, it never could do any of that stuff before :) |
| 01:06.05 | Aribeth | heh, true |
| 01:06.05 | JeffM2501 | it was just born 'special" |
| 01:06.22 | JeffM2501 | it's special needs OS |
| 01:07.12 | Aribeth | i remember running win 95 once. it would crash every 30 minutes |
| 01:07.13 | techman | grr |
| 01:07.21 | JeffM2501 | 95 was prety bad |
| 01:07.27 | JeffM2501 | I was very happy to get to NT4 |
| 01:07.32 | techman | so I can't run this from the start/run cmd? |
| 01:07.37 | JeffM2501 | but then they didn't make drives for my video card |
| 01:07.57 | JeffM2501 | techman, if you do that, it's the same as bringing up a shortcut |
| 01:08.00 | JeffM2501 | it won't stay |
| 01:08.03 | Aribeth | NT had poor hardware support |
| 01:08.08 | JeffM2501 | unless start-> run->cmd works |
| 01:08.19 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, I had the very first nvidia card, it only ran in 95 |
| 01:08.30 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 01:08.36 | JeffM2501 | techman, if that brings up a dosbox then your good |
| 01:08.51 | techman | Let me research |
| 01:08.59 | creeperz | NV1? |
| 01:09.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:09.13 | creeperz | whast that? |
| 01:09.14 | creeperz | oh |
| 01:09.15 | creeperz | :-( |
| 01:09.18 | JeffM2501 | techman, more then likley the shortcut didn't like the long name to the file path |
| 01:09.26 | JeffM2501 | creeperz, it was the first nvidia chipset |
| 01:09.41 | Aribeth | good card |
| 01:09.47 | creeperz | mine? |
| 01:09.52 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:09.54 | JeffM2501 | the nv1 |
| 01:09.55 | creeperz | oh :-) |
| 01:09.58 | creeperz | ok :-P |
| 01:10.01 | JeffM2501 | the 5200 isn't bad |
| 01:10.08 | JeffM2501 | it's like an nv34 or something |
| 01:10.10 | creeperz | i thought she was talkngi to me there for a second |
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| 01:10.19 | JeffM2501 | she was :) |
| 01:10.28 | creeperz | oh :-) |
| 01:10.35 | Aribeth | i have read the 5200 has problems with the dell 2405FPW monitor |
| 01:10.53 | JeffM2501 | depends on the ramdac the vendor puts on it |
| 01:11.22 | Aribeth | i havnt tried mine on my ASUS fx 5200 |
| 01:12.37 | Aribeth | what were the specs on the nv1? |
| 01:12.45 | techman | SWEET!!! My brother is stopping by. He's a software writer and a bit of a guru.... |
| 01:12.51 | techman | I'll have him look at this |
| 01:13.12 | creeperz | whats an nvidia card thats similar to the radeon 9800 pro? |
| 01:13.15 | JeffM2501 | FX5200 is a NV34 |
| 01:13.28 | JeffM2501 | if it's a newer one |
| 01:13.58 | JeffM2501 | fx5900 is similar |
| 01:14.02 | Aribeth | i think i got mine a year ago |
| 01:14.09 | JeffM2501 | 5950 |
| 01:14.25 | creeperz | would you take a 5950 over a 9800pro? |
| 01:14.34 | Aribeth | i would |
| 01:14.39 | creeperz | whys that? |
| 01:14.42 | JeffM2501 | drivers |
| 01:14.49 | Aribeth | better driver support |
| 01:15.06 | creeperz | what about for overclocking? |
| 01:15.29 | JeffM2501 | on that, it depdends on vendor |
| 01:15.42 | JeffM2501 | since you end up stressing the vendor side components |
| 01:15.44 | Aribeth | some nvidia cards are overclocked by the factory |
| 01:15.51 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 01:15.54 | JeffM2501 | the "ultra" ones |
| 01:16.04 | JeffM2501 | but then ATI does the same thing with the "pro" |
| 01:16.32 | creeperz | that why they run so hot>? |
| 01:16.43 | JeffM2501 | if you are realy into OCing the card, your replacing the fans and heatsyncs anyway |
| 01:16.52 | creeperz | yeah |
| 01:16.57 | JeffM2501 | GPUs do the same caclualitons CPU's do |
| 01:17.00 | JeffM2501 | and run similar speeds |
| 01:17.07 | JeffM2501 | so they generate similar heat |
| 01:17.14 | creeperz | ah |
| 01:17.20 | JeffM2501 | a GPU is a CPU |
| 01:17.25 | JeffM2501 | just specialised |
| 01:17.45 | JeffM2501 | just like the PPU will be |
| 01:18.51 | techman | Don't GPU's use RISK technology? |
| 01:18.59 | JeffM2501 | risk ones doe |
| 01:19.06 | JeffM2501 | like the powerPC |
| 01:19.09 | techman | ic |
| 01:19.22 | JeffM2501 | and many GPUs have reduced sets |
| 01:19.34 | JeffM2501 | all depends on the chipset |
| 01:19.52 | JeffM2501 | there are many GPUs out tehre |
| 01:20.03 | JeffM2501 | GPUs usualy use lots of pipelineing |
| 01:20.14 | JeffM2501 | since it makes sense for time based graphics |
| 01:20.31 | Aribeth | the VooDoo 3 3000 was a good card in its day |
| 01:20.54 | JeffM2501 | not if you were a TNT user :) |
| 01:21.01 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 01:21.06 | JeffM2501 | ohh the horror |
| 01:21.12 | Aribeth | i have a voodoo 3 |
| 01:21.19 | JeffM2501 | 3dfx was like ATI is now |
| 01:21.21 | JeffM2501 | then they lost |
| 01:21.26 | JeffM2501 | and were assimilated |
| 01:21.26 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 01:21.37 | JeffM2501 | nvidia said "get in my belly" |
| 01:21.43 | Aribeth | yup |
| 01:21.50 | JeffM2501 | when ATI came into the market 3dfx could not hold |
| 01:21.57 | JeffM2501 | but they too had some crapy ass drivers |
| 01:21.57 | creeperz | haha |
| 01:21.59 | Aribeth | nope |
| 01:22.29 | JeffM2501 | and when they made the voddo 6 that had an external power supplly..... |
| 01:22.49 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 01:22.59 | JeffM2501 | that was kinda the death knell |
| 01:23.15 | JeffM2501 | I Have a voodoo 3 and 5 somewhere |
| 01:23.18 | Aribeth | ya, that would do it |
| 01:23.24 | JeffM2501 | they are touchy at best |
| 01:23.26 | uso | graphics card discussion? i'm just coming right :) |
| 01:23.34 | Aribeth | my voodoo 3 in in my dns server |
| 01:23.38 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:23.43 | uso | what nvidia card is comparable to a radeon 9500/9600? |
| 01:23.44 | JeffM2501 | I have GeForce 1's in servers |
| 01:23.51 | Aribeth | never had probs with mine |
| 01:23.57 | JeffM2501 | the 5700 is around that range |
| 01:24.22 | JeffM2501 | aribeth, for 2d work they are ok, they have GL issues in more complex things |
| 01:24.31 | uso | available without a fan? |
| 01:24.44 | JeffM2501 | with ATI it's hard to know |
| 01:24.50 | Aribeth | never used it for anything but Ultima 9 |
| 01:24.55 | JeffM2501 | they put slower cards out but gave them biger numbers |
| 01:24.59 | Aribeth | other than 2d |
| 01:25.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:25.18 | JeffM2501 | 5700's have fans |
| 01:25.24 | Aribeth | U9 was native glide |
| 01:25.24 | JeffM2501 | if you want fanless I'd get a 5200 |
| 01:25.27 | creeperz | mine has a purt fan :-P |
| 01:25.37 | JeffM2501 | or a 5500 if they have no fans |
| 01:25.43 | JeffM2501 | many 5200's have no fan |
| 01:25.47 | uso | older nvidias used to be noisy |
| 01:25.48 | creeperz | mine has a fan :-/ |
| 01:25.56 | techman | I have a 9800 pro aiw, 7500 aiw, geforce 4 bottom of the line, 2 geforce 2 bottom mx200 or 400, and some simple 3d ati cards and an original ati wonder |
| 01:25.57 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, sure when you run your own custom API it works perfect :) |
| 01:26.06 | Aribeth | yup |
| 01:26.15 | uso | \is 5200 comparable to radeon 9200? |
| 01:26.22 | uso | or fasterr? |
| 01:27.33 | creeperz | hmm |
| 01:27.53 | creeperz | whenever i do my laundry i come up with 1 less pair of pants and 1 sock always missing |
| 01:28.04 | creeperz | not only that, but i get a shirt back thats not even mine :-/ |
| 01:28.11 | JeffM2501 | they are very similar |
| 01:28.18 | JeffM2501 | I think the 5200 goes a bit faster |
| 01:28.36 | JeffM2501 | bang for buck I'd get a 5500 instead of a 5200 today |
| 01:28.39 | JeffM2501 | it's like $10 more |
| 01:28.48 | JeffM2501 | 5200's are on the way out |
| 01:29.21 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz (~wiz@12-240-60-115.client.mchsi.com) |
| 01:29.29 | wegstar | hey bflagwiz... |
| 01:29.30 | Aribeth | hungry washing machine |
| 01:29.40 | uso | that's not the problem, but i think a 5900 is a bit overkill for a PIII/1GHz and not worth the money to put in |
| 01:29.44 | *** join/#bzflag Linuz_user (~wili@ppp-216-106-108-116.storm.ca) |
| 01:29.49 | Linuz_user | ok guys |
| 01:29.53 | Linuz_user | my story is long |
| 01:29.53 | JeffM2501 | it have AGP? |
| 01:29.57 | Linuz_user | Jeff |
| 01:30.00 | uso | yes |
| 01:30.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:30.02 | bzflagwiz | howdy wegstar |
| 01:30.08 | JeffM2501 | AGP4x? |
| 01:30.13 | Linuz_user | did you or anyone else ban "Ice Wewe" from BZBB? |
| 01:30.14 | JeffM2501 | or just2? |
| 01:30.17 | Aribeth | hi bzflagwiz |
| 01:30.17 | uso | probably yes |
| 01:30.20 | Linuz_user | (I have AGP 4x, its blows) |
| 01:30.28 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, wasn't talkint to you |
| 01:30.32 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 01:30.36 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, what was the question? |
| 01:30.38 | bzflagwiz | hi Aribeth |
| 01:30.44 | JeffM2501 | I don't remember all things on bzbb |
| 01:30.47 | Linuz_user | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.53 | Linuz_user | cause I'm him, the real him |
| 01:30.58 | JeffM2501 | ban |
| 01:30.59 | Linuz_user | and someone stole my password!!! |
| 01:31.02 | JeffM2501 | not that I know of |
| 01:31.11 | JeffM2501 | how did somone steal your password |
| 01:31.12 | Linuz_user | cause BZBB wont let me log in |
| 01:31.16 | JeffM2501 | just do a reset and it'll mail it to you |
| 01:31.18 | JeffM2501 | let msee |
| 01:31.19 | Linuz_user | someon stole my password, so I changed it |
| 01:31.22 | Linuz_user | I did |
| 01:31.34 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka_ (~Doug@adsl-18-116-129.sdf.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:31.36 | Linuz_user | I told it to send me a new one, and it did, so I entered it, but no success |
| 01:31.54 | JeffM2501 | was tehre a link to reactivate? |
| 01:31.57 | Linuz_user | speaking of which, how could someone steal a password, what with global login and stuf? |
| 01:32.01 | uso | harrrr, just another crash with these ati drivers :( |
| 01:32.05 | Linuz_user | one sec |
| 01:32.13 | uso | wanted to check the 4x agp ;) |
| 01:32.32 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, they can't |
| 01:32.42 | JeffM2501 | you must have given it to them, or the guessed it |
| 01:32.55 | JeffM2501 | your not on ban |
| 01:33.02 | JeffM2501 | what does it say when you try to log in? |
| 01:33.09 | Linuz_user | where? |
| 01:33.13 | Linuz_user | in bzflag, or bzbb |
| 01:33.17 | JeffM2501 | bzbb |
| 01:33.21 | Linuz_user | and BTW, I forgot to click the link in my haste |
| 01:33.24 | SportChick | JeffM2501: can i view masterban list? |
| 01:33.33 | Linuz_user | oh, its jsut said Password is incorrect, or account is deactivated |
| 01:33.52 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, http://www.bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 01:34.01 | JeffM2501 | your password is wrong then |
| 01:34.13 | JeffM2501 | do you want me to reset it? |
| 01:34.17 | Linuz_user | SportChick: Is anyone by the name of Ice Wewe/Iced Wewe/Wewe making trouble on secret place? |
| 01:34.23 | uso | JeffM2501: you should tell the url one of your bots ;) |
| 01:34.32 | SportChick | currently? not sure - he has in the past though |
| 01:34.32 | Linuz_user | Jeff: Will I loose my post count? |
| 01:34.36 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:34.40 | JeffM2501 | it's just the password |
| 01:34.42 | Linuz_user | Jeff: Sure |
| 01:34.50 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 01:34.52 | SportChick | JeffM2501: do you know which guy is sharpshooter? is he call of honor? |
| 01:35.01 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 01:35.20 | Linuz_user | SportChick: what does he spam? |
| 01:35.30 | cosmos | i still dont get how they "stole" your password |
| 01:35.35 | SportChick | Linuz_user: you mean sharpshooter or ice wewe |
| 01:35.38 | JeffM2501 | they didn't |
| 01:35.48 | Linuz_user | SportChick: sharpshooter |
| 01:35.53 | JeffM2501 | some passwords are SAD! |
| 01:35.58 | Linuz_user | Jeff: let me explain |
| 01:36.03 | Linuz_user | my old password was R0403A |
| 01:36.06 | SportChick | oh, he was spewing all over louman's server - not sure what but he watns to ban him |
| 01:36.08 | Linuz_user | if thats sad, then tell me |
| 01:36.13 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 01:36.19 | Aribeth | a password of "bob" is pathetic |
| 01:36.37 | creeperz | :-) |
| 01:36.39 | Linuz_user | Iced Wewe, logged on a while ago on HepCat and started spamming |
| 01:36.50 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, did you ever use that same password on a server that used the old /register and /identify command? |
| 01:36.51 | Linuz_user | so I went to BZBB and registereed that callsign to stop hi from spamming |
| 01:36.57 | Linuz_user | no |
| 01:37.01 | Linuz_user | never |
| 01:37.05 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka1 (~Doug@adsl-78-222-20.sdf.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:37.07 | JeffM2501 | doubt it |
| 01:37.16 | Linuz_user | so today, he logged on, not registered, and started major TKing |
| 01:37.16 | JeffM2501 | the passwords are never sent to the game |
| 01:37.21 | JeffM2501 | they arn't even stored in bZBB |
| 01:37.23 | JeffM2501 | it's a hash |
| 01:37.24 | SportChick | JeffM2501: where do I send someone who wants to learn how to use the masterban list |
| 01:37.33 | SportChick | is there a forum post? |
| 01:37.36 | Linuz_user | so I logged on as Iced Wewe (the same password as Ice Wewe) and ghosted him |
| 01:37.36 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, they don't have to do anything |
| 01:37.40 | JeffM2501 | it's on by default |
| 01:37.48 | SportChick | hrm |
| 01:37.57 | Linuz_user | right after that, he comes on a ghosts me like 20 times, tehn starts his "WHITE PRIDE WORLD WIDE" @#$% |
| 01:38.02 | JeffM2501 | just run a public server and don't put -nomasterban in the config |
| 01:38.14 | blast007 | does it need curl too? |
| 01:38.16 | Linuz_user | so then I ghost him, and come to cosmos for help |
| 01:38.18 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, don't realy care, just keep the password safe |
| 01:38.23 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 01:38.33 | JeffM2501 | you must have sent it in the clear or the guessed it |
| 01:38.35 | JeffM2501 | that's all |
| 01:38.36 | Linuz_user | but I want to know if ghosting him gave me his password |
| 01:38.45 | Linuz_user | my |
| 01:38.47 | Linuz_user | password |
| 01:38.48 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: How could he ghost another user? |
| 01:38.49 | JeffM2501 | yes /ghost sends it to the server |
| 01:38.57 | Linuz_user | no, I didn't use that |
| 01:38.58 | JeffM2501 | with /ghost |
| 01:39.05 | JeffM2501 | then how did you ghost him? |
| 01:39.06 | Linuz_user | I didn't do that |
| 01:39.24 | Linuz_user | you log on as a registered user, with the right password, and the same callsig, and it ghosts teh, |
| 01:39.26 | Linuz_user | them* |
| 01:39.26 | JeffM2501 | there is auto ghost code if one user is authed |
| 01:39.35 | Linuz_user | yes |
| 01:39.37 | JeffM2501 | ok then he dosn't have your password |
| 01:39.40 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: That command requires that he know the password. |
| 01:39.41 | JeffM2501 | he was unreg with same name |
| 01:39.47 | Linuz_user | no |
| 01:39.55 | Linuz_user | he was unreg with the reged name Iced Wewe |
| 01:39.57 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, if he had ever done a /ghost it would be in server logs |
| 01:40.09 | Linuz_user | so I logged on reged as Iced Wewe and kicked him |
| 01:40.10 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, unreg or reg? |
| 01:40.16 | JeffM2501 | you have both in the same sentance |
| 01:40.21 | JBdiGriz | but the cracker shouldn't have access to the logs |
| 01:40.24 | Linuz_user | he was playing as unreg |
| 01:40.27 | Linuz_user | i was playing as reg |
| 01:40.37 | cosmos | there are no /ghosts in the logs |
| 01:40.37 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, unless he'd done that on a server the "cracker" owns |
| 01:40.42 | cosmos | there are no passwords in the logs |
| 01:40.47 | Linuz_user | its wired |
| 01:40.49 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, then he dosn't have your password |
| 01:40.51 | Linuz_user | wierd* |
| 01:40.52 | JeffM2501 | if he was unreg |
| 01:40.54 | Linuz_user | yes he does |
| 01:40.56 | JeffM2501 | he never authed |
| 01:41.01 | JeffM2501 | then why wasn't he reged? |
| 01:41.01 | Linuz_user | yes he did |
| 01:41.06 | JeffM2501 | you just said he wasn't |
| 01:41.08 | Linuz_user | because he didn't have it then |
| 01:41.18 | JBdiGriz | cosmos owns the server, and the cracker ghosted an authed user without being regged |
| 01:41.25 | Linuz_user | but as soon as I reged as Iced Wew and kciked him, he came back as Iced Wewe and kicked me |
| 01:41.29 | JeffM2501 | then there is a bug |
| 01:41.31 | cosmos | hold on |
| 01:41.32 | JeffM2501 | fix it |
| 01:41.39 | cosmos | let me get all the ips that ice wewe logged on as |
| 01:41.39 | Linuz_user | cosmos had 2.0.3 |
| 01:41.41 | JeffM2501 | could be a bug in ghost code |
| 01:41.50 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean he has your password |
| 01:41.54 | Linuz_user | great, paste them, cause I'm a 216.x.x.x number, i think |
| 01:41.59 | Linuz_user | well he did |
| 01:42.05 | JeffM2501 | how do you know? |
| 01:42.08 | JeffM2501 | cus he ghosted you? |
| 01:42.11 | JBdiGriz | cosmos: Could you make a cleaned version of the logs available to me? |
| 01:42.13 | Linuz_user | cause after he kicked me, other players preport that he logged on with my password and spammed |
| 01:42.21 | cosmos | 216.106.108.116 |
| 01:42.24 | Linuz_user | becuase on Hepcat, cosmos has it so only reged people can talk |
| 01:42.27 | Linuz_user | thats me |
| 01:42.40 | Linuz_user | DNS it, its Storm.ca |
| 01:42.45 | Linuz_user | whois |
| 01:42.47 | JeffM2501 | and you've never played on any other server? |
| 01:42.59 | JeffM2501 | and used that password or ghost command? |
| 01:43.00 | Linuz_user | not in a while |
| 01:43.03 | Linuz_user | say 3 days |
| 01:43.09 | JeffM2501 | since that password has been valid? |
| 01:43.18 | Linuz_user | yes I have |
| 01:43.24 | JeffM2501 | they could have goten it since then |
| 01:43.27 | Linuz_user | but never used the /identify /register or the /ghost |
| 01:43.36 | cosmos | 147.126.43.68 |
| 01:43.36 | Linuz_user | then why didn't they log in as Iced Wewe |
| 01:43.40 | Linuz_user | thats not me |
| 01:43.41 | cosmos | thats the other Ice Wewe |
| 01:43.48 | Linuz_user | OrgTechHandle: AG888-ARIN |
| 01:43.48 | Linuz_user | OrgTechName: Gosselin, Andre |
| 01:43.48 | Linuz_user | OrgTechPhone: +1-613-567-6585 |
| 01:43.48 | Linuz_user | OrgTechEmail: andre@storm.ca |
| 01:43.56 | Linuz_user | this is the whois from me (sorry for the returns) |
| 01:44.01 | Linuz_user | i am at storm.ca |
| 01:44.15 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, is there a password file still on hepcat? |
| 01:44.29 | JeffM2501 | and if so is tehre an entry for that username? |
| 01:44.31 | cosmos | no |
| 01:44.37 | cosmos | this isnt even the original overlord server |
| 01:44.42 | Linuz_user | so how did he get it? |
| 01:44.43 | cosmos | i recreated it fresh when silver took it down |
| 01:44.51 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, that is what I am atempting to find out |
| 01:44.57 | JeffM2501 | by asking you questions |
| 01:44.58 | Linuz_user | sorry |
| 01:45.03 | Linuz_user | yes officer |
| 01:45.03 | cosmos | silver would have an entry possibly |
| 01:45.19 | JeffM2501 | what groups is his user set to? |
| 01:45.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm wondering if somehow he /reged a local password |
| 01:45.41 | cosmos | he would be in the verified group thats it |
| 01:45.43 | JeffM2501 | even in ram |
| 01:45.48 | cosmos | i dont have a local db |
| 01:45.58 | JeffM2501 | the system could still keep one in ram |
| 01:46.03 | JeffM2501 | the db file is just storage |
| 01:46.06 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't work from it |
| 01:46.22 | JeffM2501 | so he's not part of a local. |
| 01:46.30 | cosmos | but im saying it never existed on this server nor do i allow local reg |
| 01:46.34 | JeffM2501 | so it should allways just trust global |
| 01:46.42 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:46.44 | cosmos | exactly no local groups here |
| 01:46.49 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 01:46.56 | JeffM2501 | could have brute foced it |
| 01:47.06 | Linuz_user | how would he have done that? |
| 01:47.11 | menotume | JeffM2501: I need a windows C expert :) |
| 01:47.11 | JeffM2501 | webscript |
| 01:47.24 | cosmos | you just pasted it to us a few mins ago, sure you didnt paste it elsewhere |
| 01:47.26 | JeffM2501 | phpbb dosn't have many tools for login atempts |
| 01:47.33 | JBdiGriz | wouldn't you notice that type of activity? |
| 01:47.33 | JeffM2501 | menotume, ? |
| 01:47.37 | Linuz_user | cosmos, what? |
| 01:47.39 | menotume | In yesterdays change, i called a function gettimeofday() |
| 01:47.44 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, we don't watch the weblogs |
| 01:47.46 | Linuz_user | cosmos, no |
| 01:47.46 | JeffM2501 | they are HUGE |
| 01:47.49 | menotume | which is cuasing probs on a Win compile |
| 01:48.06 | JBdiGriz | gettimeofday() is a unix function |
| 01:48.06 | JeffM2501 | and phpbb dosn't flag activity like that |
| 01:48.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:48.19 | JeffM2501 | you have to make your own for windows |
| 01:48.25 | JeffM2501 | bz has something for it |
| 01:48.31 | menotume | ahhhh |
| 01:48.32 | JeffM2501 | it should be in common somewhere |
| 01:48.39 | menotume | okies - thx :) |
| 01:48.56 | bzflagwiz | I tried adding the windows ifdef stuff from TimeKeeper.cxx as an experiment, but that game me other problems. |
| 01:49.44 | JeffM2501 | a 6 char password woudn't take long to crack |
| 01:49.51 | Linuz_user | darn |
| 01:49.52 | JeffM2501 | you could even have the list server do it for ya |
| 01:49.57 | Linuz_user | i just set mine to a 6 char md5sum |
| 01:49.58 | bzflagwiz | menotume - one thing to try is in the c-ares stuff. One of the files in there (ares_init.c I think) makes its own copy of gettimeofday(). |
| 01:50.12 | Linuz_user | of a file only on my HD |
| 01:50.12 | JeffM2501 | then we'll see what happens |
| 01:50.21 | JeffM2501 | it's still just numbers |
| 01:50.24 | menotume | it seems TimeKeeper is using gettimeofday |
| 01:50.28 | menotume | okies - thx |
| 01:50.29 | Linuz_user | i jsut md5sum random files, then use the first 6 char as passwords |
| 01:50.39 | JeffM2501 | menotume, we make our own |
| 01:50.48 | JeffM2501 | 6 isn't many |
| 01:50.56 | menotume | grep will tell me :) |
| 01:50.57 | Linuz_user | what would you use? |
| 01:50.59 | JeffM2501 | and the randomness dosn't matter |
| 01:51.05 | JeffM2501 | 14 |
| 01:51.09 | Linuz_user | 14?!?! |
| 01:51.10 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 01:51.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:51.15 | JeffM2501 | sometiems 15 |
| 01:51.19 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 01:51.19 | cosmos | id use at least 128 |
| 01:51.39 | JeffM2501 | the more charactes the longer it takes a brute force |
| 01:51.40 | Linuz_user | quit kidding |
| 01:51.43 | bzflagwiz | menotume - if you come up with a potential fix, I'll try compiling it to verify the fix |
| 01:51.45 | JeffM2501 | since there are more permutations |
| 01:51.55 | menotume | great, thx |
| 01:51.58 | Linuz_user | can you compile a bzflag for windows in linux? |
| 01:52.25 | JeffM2501 | is there a compiler with win32 runtime link libs? |
| 01:52.29 | JeffM2501 | that runs on linux? |
| 01:52.34 | Linuz_user | i dunno |
| 01:52.37 | JeffM2501 | gcc probably has a cross compiler |
| 01:52.43 | JeffM2501 | why would you want to tho |
| 01:52.51 | Linuz_user | i was just wondering if I could type make -windows in bzflag, so I could compile it for my friend with a slow comp |
| 01:53.01 | Linuz_user | and I hate windows |
| 01:53.05 | JeffM2501 | we make win32 binary builds |
| 01:53.06 | Linuz_user | sorry windows lovers |
| 01:53.12 | menotume | so you don't have to buy VC ? |
| 01:53.15 | JeffM2501 | why can't he just use those |
| 01:53.25 | JeffM2501 | there are 3 free conmpile options for windows |
| 01:53.29 | blast007 | Dev-C++ works |
| 01:53.34 | Linuz_user | yea, but I'm talking about latest CVS stuf |
| 01:53.39 | JeffM2501 | so does minGW |
| 01:54.24 | JeffM2501 | or just ask for a build |
| 01:54.29 | JeffM2501 | if there are features that he may want |
| 01:55.05 | uso | a question about global login: does the server get the clear text password from the client for global login? or only the hash? |
| 01:55.07 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 01:55.23 | JeffM2501 | nether |
| 01:55.24 | uso | the bzfs server |
| 01:55.26 | Linuz_user | yea, cause in 1.10.x the password was Txed in ASCII |
| 01:55.38 | GvzEvxre | uso: the list server gets a clear text password. the game servers just get a token. |
| 01:55.39 | JeffM2501 | the client sends the username and password to the list server |
| 01:55.40 | Linuz_user | what then? |
| 01:55.42 | JeffM2501 | and gets a token |
| 01:55.54 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 01:55.56 | JeffM2501 | thent he game server verifys that token with the list server |
| 01:56.03 | Linuz_user | so what does the client send the password in? ASCII? |
| 01:56.07 | Linuz_user | is it encoded at all? |
| 01:56.19 | uso | ah, ok, so you can't run a server to get your players logins and passwords |
| 01:56.20 | GvzEvxre | Linuz_user: it's sent unencoded to the list server at present. |
| 01:56.21 | JeffM2501 | it's sent as an http request to the list server |
| 01:56.28 | JeffM2501 | uso, no, that's the point |
| 01:56.30 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 01:56.40 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, but its only sent to the list server |
| 01:56.43 | GvzEvxre | someday that might be over an ssl connection, but it's not today. |
| 01:56.43 | Linuz_user | I'm going to play my favorite game |
| 01:56.47 | JeffM2501 | somone woudl have to be snifing your route |
| 01:56.48 | cosmos | there are no passwords in the logfiles unelss you still use local accounts |
| 01:56.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:56.57 | Linuz_user | doubtful |
| 01:57.05 | JeffM2501 | many users still do a /identify I fear |
| 01:57.09 | JeffM2501 | and give away there passwords |
| 01:57.10 | *** part/#bzflag Linuz_user (~wili@ppp-216-106-108-116.storm.ca) |
| 01:57.27 | cosmos | ive only seen a few sporadic identifys and most were without the pass |
| 01:57.36 | JeffM2501 | well that's good |
| 01:57.56 | cosmos | i did get an /identify FUCOSMOS after i turned on reg only hehe |
| 01:58.08 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:58.30 | JeffM2501 | the things kids do to make themselves feel whitty |
| 01:58.46 | cosmos | i still have to say |
| 01:59.05 | cosmos | Ice Wewe had the same issue on the old server and is now the first ever to have it on 2.0 |
| 01:59.12 | cosmos | im claiming user error on this one |
| 01:59.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:59.57 | JeffM2501 | if it was that easy to gank a password, I know there would be many OTHER ones goten first |
| 02:00.05 | cosmos | yeah like admins |
| 02:00.22 | JeffM2501 | ya think? ;) |
| 02:01.36 | JeffM2501 | and he needs to learn to NOT post account problems in places like "CHAT" |
| 02:01.45 | bzflagwiz | perhaps the bzflag client code could be modified to hash any text following a /identify or just not even send it if global id is enabled on the server... |
| 02:02.01 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't know that it is or isn't |
| 02:02.04 | JeffM2501 | it's a server only thing |
| 02:02.18 | JeffM2501 | the identifly should problaby just be removed |
| 02:02.38 | JeffM2501 | and then if it's local the server reuquest the password in a custom message ( so it's not loged) |
| 02:02.48 | JeffM2501 | and the client can ether send it or deny the request |
| 02:03.15 | JeffM2501 | that way you can set your client to not trust any server |
| 02:03.28 | JeffM2501 | I mean we got that password line now :) |
| 02:03.38 | JeffM2501 | why have 2 systems for entering in data |
| 02:03.38 | cosmos | yeah |
| 02:03.54 | JeffM2501 | if local auth is a feature that we want to keep then I'd integrate it |
| 02:04.12 | JeffM2501 | I only did /identify as a proof of concept to see if people would actualy use usernames |
| 02:04.21 | JeffM2501 | and it took off like mad |
| 02:05.11 | JeffM2501 | if you made some comon tokenizing code then you could use the same token system as global, but have the tokens be generated localy |
| 02:05.17 | JeffM2501 | from the same password hash |
| 02:05.28 | JeffM2501 | then the real password isn't sent over the line |
| 02:05.44 | cosmos | how about sending an intelligence test before they can auth |
| 02:06.08 | JeffM2501 | that would be better served before they download/install/register |
| 02:06.20 | techman | grrrrr |
| 02:06.25 | techman | My bro said the same thing |
| 02:06.33 | JeffM2501 | get a router? :) |
| 02:06.38 | techman | space > space filename.txt |
| 02:06.45 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 02:06.46 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:06.46 | techman | And after all arguments tha may apply |
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| 02:06.54 | JeffM2501 | 98 may not do it |
| 02:06.55 | techman | You got router on the brain ;) |
| 02:06.58 | techman | yeah |
| 02:06.59 | JeffM2501 | it has a limted terminal |
| 02:07.05 | techman | I asked out of curiousity |
| 02:07.06 | JeffM2501 | I fear for your security man :) |
| 02:07.22 | JeffM2501 | what exactly are you puting in your shortcut? |
| 02:07.24 | techman | he does java, C, C++, Pearl and a bunch of others I can't remember now |
| 02:07.26 | JeffM2501 | how long is the name? |
| 02:07.28 | *** join/#bzflag Linuz_user (~wili@ppp-216-106-108-116.storm.ca) |
| 02:07.36 | techman | bzfslog.txt |
| 02:07.44 | JeffM2501 | is tehre a path infront of it? |
| 02:07.47 | Linuz_user | he did it again |
| 02:07.50 | Linuz_user | except this time he hacked an admin |
| 02:07.50 | techman | just a sec |
| 02:07.59 | JeffM2501 | hacked an admin? |
| 02:08.01 | Linuz_user | I got kicked by |
| 02:08.02 | Linuz_user | RC Cola |
| 02:08.12 | cosmos | umm |
| 02:08.13 | Linuz_user | "REASON: I GOT YOU NOW BITCH!" |
| 02:08.15 | cosmos | rc is an admin |
| 02:08.19 | cosmos | well a cop |
| 02:08.21 | Linuz_user | yea, I know |
| 02:08.23 | cosmos | limited |
| 02:08.25 | Linuz_user | i got kicked by him |
| 02:08.30 | JeffM2501 | her |
| 02:08.33 | techman | shortcut is: C:\bz\BZFlag2.0.0\bzfs.exe -conf C:\bz\BZFlag2.0.0\data\test.conf |
| 02:08.33 | Linuz_user | w/e |
| 02:08.38 | cosmos | rc only plays in the am |
| 02:08.47 | techman | I added the space>space log.txt thingy |
| 02:08.51 | JeffM2501 | techman, take out the pass |
| 02:08.51 | techman | but that crashed it |
| 02:08.52 | Linuz_user | well they got into her account and kicked me |
| 02:08.55 | JeffM2501 | path |
| 02:09.11 | techman | ? |
| 02:09.14 | cosmos | i dont show any RC logged in |
| 02:09.18 | JeffM2501 | techman, run a test from the terminal |
| 02:09.20 | Linuz_user | it happened |
| 02:09.28 | Linuz_user | want me to be bait again? |
| 02:09.33 | Linuz_user | i forgot to capture it |
| 02:09.35 | JeffM2501 | logs should easaly show it |
| 02:09.42 | cosmos | yeah im grepping for a kick now |
| 02:09.46 | Linuz_user | well do they show me signing off? |
| 02:09.53 | Linuz_user | at all in the last 5 minutes? |
| 02:10.19 | Linuz_user | look for a RC Cola logging on, and me logging off |
| 02:10.30 | JeffM2501 | he knows what to do |
| 02:10.33 | Linuz_user | cause I didn't even see them log in |
| 02:10.35 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 02:10.36 | JeffM2501 | calm down and let him do his work |
| 02:10.41 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 02:11.43 | Linuz_user | wats the blue bar under the people list mean? |
| 02:11.52 | Linuz_user | lag? |
| 02:11.53 | JeffM2501 | umm |
| 02:11.55 | JeffM2501 | in what? |
| 02:11.58 | Linuz_user | xchat |
| 02:12.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:12.02 | JeffM2501 | lag |
| 02:12.05 | Linuz_user | oh ok |
| 02:12.12 | Linuz_user | and whats the second one for? |
| 02:12.16 | JeffM2501 | it's your fung shue level |
| 02:12.20 | Linuz_user | lol |
| 02:12.26 | JeffM2501 | how much do you have? |
| 02:12.30 | Linuz_user | nadda |
| 02:12.37 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 02:12.39 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 02:12.42 | JeffM2501 | that's not good |
| 02:12.43 | Linuz_user | ya ya |
| 02:12.53 | JeffM2501 | evil spirts must LOVE you |
| 02:13.02 | JeffM2501 | they gave out your password :) |
| 02:13.07 | Linuz_user | I prefer to think of it as the higher the second bar goes, the more brain cells your loosing |
| 02:13.15 | JeffM2501 | me? |
| 02:13.19 | JeffM2501 | they are glued in tight |
| 02:13.21 | Linuz_user | just in general |
| 02:13.29 | Linuz_user | lol |
| 02:13.43 | Linuz_user | mm *sniff* glue *sniff* |
| 02:13.51 | Linuz_user | uh oh, bar just went way up |
| 02:14.22 | blast007 | think the lower bar is how much text is buffered to send (for flood protection) |
| 02:14.35 | Linuz_user | so none is good? |
| 02:14.37 | Linuz_user | or bad? |
| 02:14.49 | blast007 | doesn't really matter that much |
| 02:14.54 | Linuz_user | ok |
| 02:15.06 | blast007 | but if you send many lines in a short period of time, that will go up |
| 02:15.09 | Linuz_user | hear that Jeff, your brain cells will live another few characters! |
| 02:16.05 | *** part/#bzflag Linuz_user (~wili@ppp-216-106-108-116.storm.ca) |
| 02:16.57 | techman | OK.... Running the bzfs with the conf argument and the > log.txt in a dos box WORKED |
| 02:17.10 | techman | But....How do I make it start that way without all the run around |
| 02:17.49 | JeffM2501 | 98 probalby dosn't like your long pathnames |
| 02:17.59 | techman | ic |
| 02:18.18 | techman | I also noticed |
| 02:18.25 | techman | it doesn't log the info I wanted either |
| 02:18.34 | techman | It did log the startup of the server. |
| 02:18.37 | JeffM2501 | how many -d's do you have in your config? |
| 02:18.49 | techman | But not users logging in like it does in the actual dos box |
| 02:18.59 | JeffM2501 | how many -d s? |
| 02:19.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not a "log" command |
| 02:19.18 | JeffM2501 | it redirects the dos box to the file |
| 02:19.19 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 02:19.22 | techman | currently one -d |
| 02:19.22 | JeffM2501 | it's an OS thing |
| 02:19.24 | JeffM2501 | not a BZ thing |
| 02:19.28 | JeffM2501 | then no it's not going to log it all |
| 02:19.30 | JeffM2501 | you want 3 |
| 02:19.38 | techman | ok |
| 02:19.39 | JeffM2501 | so it dumps ALL the stuff out |
| 02:19.57 | blast007 | or -ddd works |
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| 02:23.36 | cosmos | [SERVER->] 12.*.*.* banned by: cosmos |
| 02:23.36 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.37 | cosmos | re DONE. |
| 02:23.45 | wegstar | ... |
| 02:25.23 | techman | No change :( |
| 02:27.15 | MeBigFatGuy | so has julio ever shown up here? |
| 02:27.18 | techman | I need something that will log the users coming on and off like I see in the actual log box and the things they chat |
| 02:27.41 | JeffM2501 | we don't have loging features |
| 02:27.44 | JeffM2501 | all you can do is redirect |
| 02:27.45 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 02:27.54 | orchid | julio? |
| 02:28.04 | JeffM2501 | if you see it in the terminal when the server is running, you can dump that to a log |
| 02:28.05 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 02:28.13 | MeBigFatGuy | has been checking stuff in lately |
| 02:28.37 | MeBigFatGuy | or how bout mark thomas? |
| 02:28.57 | JeffM2501 | who? |
| 02:29.04 | JeffM2501 | you gonna clean up the authors? |
| 02:29.21 | MeBigFatGuy | no, just curious |
| 02:29.35 | orchid | _manu_ is julio maybe |
| 02:29.42 | MeBigFatGuy | ah |
| 02:29.52 | MeBigFatGuy | [OT] i found this pretty interesting: http://www.broom.org/epic/ |
| 02:29.54 | orchid | and _meno_ is the other dude :) |
| 02:31.42 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c5b-b-192.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 02:32.08 | menotume | huh? what did I do now ? |
| 02:32.39 | menotume | MeBigFatGuy: I am Mark Thomas |
| 02:32.43 | MeBigFatGuy | k |
| 02:32.52 | MeBigFatGuy | just trying to keep my scorecard up to date |
| 02:32.55 | menotume | :) |
| 02:32.56 | menotume | ok |
| 02:33.29 | menotume | What is the best way to revert ? Just a new commit of old code ? |
| 02:33.53 | MeBigFatGuy | yes |
| 02:33.57 | menotume | ok, thx |
| 02:34.43 | menotume | and TimeKeeper doesn't work as advertized, so gonna skip microseconds on WIN32 |
| 02:36.46 | MeBigFatGuy | as i recall there is another mechanism on windows for more precise time |
| 02:36.49 | MeBigFatGuy | lemmee look |
| 02:37.00 | JeffM2501 | query performance counter! |
| 02:37.04 | JeffM2501 | it's all about the qpf |
| 02:37.18 | MeBigFatGuy | thats it |
| 02:37.27 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, is it posible that your overheating? |
| 02:37.43 | JeffM2501 | that coudl cause many many problems |
| 02:37.48 | MeBigFatGuy | wow, thats what happened to my old computer |
| 02:37.50 | JeffM2501 | and they only seem to be geting worse |
| 02:37.53 | MeBigFatGuy | eventually it just died |
| 02:38.35 | SportChick | MeBigFatGuy: who are you talking to? |
| 02:38.47 | MeBigFatGuy | you |
| 02:38.56 | MeBigFatGuy | my machine exhibited the same symptom |
| 02:38.57 | menotume | yes, it's used in TimeKeeper, but TimeKeeper has a mind of it's own, so i'll fix it for now by not foing it :) |
| 02:39.00 | wegstar | hmm... I have experienced SportChick's problem too... |
| 02:39.05 | MeBigFatGuy | it just got more and more often |
| 02:39.14 | MeBigFatGuy | eventually it would only run for about 20 seconds, before freezing |
| 02:39.20 | menotume | not doing it. I'll work on it when I can actually test - I've have way too many commits for this already |
| 02:39.34 | JeffM2501 | menotume, what are you doing? |
| 02:39.38 | wegstar | It happened when I went on a server with tons of stuff... and during a jump turn, it freezes... |
| 02:39.48 | menotume | just adding (optional) timestamp to DEBUG output |
| 02:40.19 | MeBigFatGuy | ...and this is a more humorous view of the future http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927 |
| 02:40.29 | JeffM2501 | wasn't there a loging patch by nid's buddy that did that? |
| 02:40.39 | bzflagwiz | but one of the winblows users whined that the timestamp stuff wouldn't compile correctly on windows :) |
| 02:40.46 | menotume | hehe |
| 02:41.13 | menotume | and TimeKeeper is for elapsed time, not current time-of-day |
| 02:41.24 | menotume | even though it does it does :) |
| 02:41.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah timekeeper is for gaming time |
| 02:42.39 | bzflagwiz | yeah - secretplace is running server with timestamped logs right now |
| 02:43.00 | menotume | yes, there are external programs that will do it |
| 02:43.28 | JeffM2501 | menotume, look at what the sky drawing uses to get the time |
| 02:43.30 | JeffM2501 | that is what you want |
| 02:43.34 | JeffM2501 | it does time of day |
| 02:43.43 | JeffM2501 | there is a bzflag time of day function you can use |
| 02:43.43 | menotume | ahh, yes |
| 02:43.48 | JeffM2501 | don't hack it up for each OS |
| 02:43.59 | JeffM2501 | clean code is good code :) |
| 02:43.59 | menotume | hope it has microseconds |
| 02:44.05 | menotume | right |
| 02:44.13 | JeffM2501 | seconds is probably ok engouh granularity |
| 02:44.22 | SportChick | JeffM2501: it shouldn't be happening, but that seemed like one of the things they were testing for yesterday |
| 02:44.39 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, cat hair in the fan intake? |
| 02:44.40 | menotume | i have used it myself with microsends - for debugging |
| 02:44.54 | SportChick | MeBigFatGuy: my computer is only 6 months old |
| 02:44.56 | JeffM2501 | seen it happen far too many times |
| 02:44.58 | SportChick | JeffM2501: no animals in our house |
| 02:44.58 | menotume | nice to see about cheats (how long shots last), and other things |
| 02:45.06 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean there isn't cat hair :) |
| 02:45.23 | SportChick | ~fishslap jeffm2501 |
| 02:45.25 | ibot | ACTION slaps jeffm2501 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 02:45.25 | JeffM2501 | menotume, then make it an option :) |
| 02:45.29 | menotume | it is |
| 02:45.29 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, realy check |
| 02:45.34 | JeffM2501 | make sure it is clean |
| 02:45.39 | MeBigFatGuy | anyone seen the MG issue that legomaniac reports? i don't |
| 02:45.40 | SportChick | JeffM2501: okay, I'll have hubby do it |
| 02:45.44 | JeffM2501 | you'd be suprised what gets into a laptop |
| 02:55.14 | orchid | MeBigFatGuy: MG shoots all the time? |
| 02:55.37 | MeBigFatGuy | that's what he says |
| 02:55.39 | MeBigFatGuy | i don't see it |
| 02:55.45 | orchid | I do not believe this to be the case |
| 02:56.43 | brlcad | howdy MeBigFatGuy |
| 02:57.53 | MeBigFatGuy | hey there |
| 03:05.11 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@69.111.152.227) |
| 03:05.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 03:05.32 | MeBigFatGuy | that was quick JeffM2501 ` |
| 03:07.40 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 03:07.49 | JeffM2501 | I've been home for like 15 min |
| 03:08.01 | JeffM2501 | dinner just finished |
| 03:08.20 | menotume | hmmm ... 5 minutes commute - nice |
| 03:08.56 | JeffM2501 | 5? |
| 03:09.00 | JeffM2501 | more like 1 |
| 03:12.56 | menotume | lol |
| 03:13.05 | brlcad | that tall, eh? |
| 03:13.42 | JeffM2501 | I think it's all the rads |
| 03:13.57 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 03:49.41 | bzflagwiz | In ServerMenu.cxx, lines 50 & 51, there are two variables: ServerMenu::NumReadouts and ServerMenu::NumItems I've figured out that NumReadouts is the number of items on the server status display (on the server list). But I'm having trouble finguring out what NumItems is for. |
| 03:55.20 | MeBigFatGuy | who put #include <sys/time.h> |
| 03:55.22 | MeBigFatGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.09 | menotume | bzflagwiz: looks like the number of items to display per page |
| 03:57.23 | menotume | MeBigFatGuy: I'm looking to make sure it wan't me :) |
| 03:57.36 | menotume | shouldn't have been |
| 03:58.59 | bzflagwiz | DUH - there are some things that are just so obvious that you need someone to slap you up side the head with it. Thanks menotume |
| 03:59.25 | menotume | ? |
| 03:59.34 | menotume | no me .... (whew) |
| 03:59.39 | bzflagwiz | The NumItems thing... |
| 03:59.42 | menotume | oh, right :) |
| 03:59.48 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 04:00.27 | bzflagwiz | I was looking all over the place in my client trying to find things that had 10 items... :) |
| 04:00.34 | menotume | :) |
| 04:01.09 | menotume | server list - sry, should have stated that |
| 04:03.41 | wegstar | ... |
| 04:03.48 | bzflagwiz | ??? |
| 04:03.54 | wegstar | ,,, |
| 04:03.55 | bzflagwiz | :) :) :) |
| 04:04.35 | wegstar | :( :( :( |
| 04:05.00 | menotume | MeBigFatGuy: SystemMenu.cxx ? |
| 04:05.19 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
| 04:05.19 | menotume | I put it in bzfio.cxx, but I have a fixx for it |
| 04:05.28 | MeBigFatGuy | bzfio doesn't build either |
| 04:05.31 | menotume | ok - i have no SystemMenu.cxx file here |
| 04:05.48 | MeBigFatGuy | er, sorry , ServerMenu.cxx |
| 04:05.50 | menotume | k - about to commit that one :) |
| 04:06.24 | bzflagwiz | menotume - my compile is almost done. But we're past the bzfio.xcc stage - so I think you got that working. |
| 04:06.34 | menotume | great - thanks much ! |
| 04:06.43 | menotume | ~bzflagwiz++ |
| 04:06.52 | bzflagwiz | ~menotume++ |
| 04:10.14 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/common/bzfio.cxx: Fix system-dependant includes. |
| 04:10.15 | bzflagwiz | :) |
| 04:10.35 | menotume | sry, MeBigFatGuy, hope that'll do it |
| 04:10.43 | menotume | you were building WIN ? |
| 04:10.52 | MeBigFatGuy | yes, and no prob |
| 04:10.55 | bzflagwiz | That - combined with Tupone's fix in c-ares this morning makes it all work again :) |
| 04:16.16 | MeBigFatGuy | if (hostName == NULL or *hostName == '\0') { |
| 04:16.17 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/net.vcproj: change asdn with ares |
| 04:16.20 | MeBigFatGuy | what is or ? |
| 04:16.47 | MeBigFatGuy | have we switched to pascal? |
| 04:17.47 | menotume | :) |
| 04:18.11 | MeBigFatGuy | AresHandler.cxx line 63 |
| 04:18.28 | wegstar | nite all |
| 04:18.40 | menotume | MeBigFatGuy: according to 'cvs log', ServerMenu.cxx hasn't changed in 2 months |
| 04:18.47 | menotume | maybe i'm in the wrong branch. |
| 04:19.11 | MeBigFatGuy | menotume, seems to be ok now |
| 04:19.21 | MeBigFatGuy | must have been bzfio or something dunno |
| 04:19.21 | menotume | ahhh- was probably my bad |
| 04:19.22 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/net/AresHandler.cxx: win32's c++ doesn't have the 'or' keyword yet :) |
| 04:21.36 | menotume | I feel a little better, at least I test on one platform :) |
| 04:22.30 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 04:23.39 | menotume | wow, it DOES compile on lnux (with 'or') |
| 04:26.48 | MeBigFatGuy | crazy |
| 04:26.57 | MeBigFatGuy | system level ifdef? |
| 04:29.25 | orange | perl infection |
| 04:29.41 | MeBigFatGuy | sounds painful |
| 04:29.50 | menotume | i didn't see any #ifs |
| 04:31.49 | menotume | yep: if (1 or 2) ; <=== compiles |
| 04:31.52 | menotume | that's nasty |
| 04:32.26 | MeBigFatGuy | is it some kind of non-short circuiting ||, perhaps? |
| 04:33.08 | menotume | heh |
| 04:33.12 | MeBigFatGuy | bbiab |
| 04:44.09 | jpa_ | yes there is |
| 04:44.21 | jpa_ | MeBigFatGuy: |, if i recall correctly |
| 04:45.16 | techman | night all |
| 04:45.19 | *** part/#bzflag techman (~vircuser@cpe-67-10-210-195.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 04:51.17 | MeBigFatGuy | jpa_, i mean is the identifier 'or' that |
| 04:51.48 | jpa_ | ah |
| 04:51.53 | jpa_ | i read wrong |
| 04:52.05 | jpa_ | sorry, i'll just go away :P |
| 04:53.48 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 04:53.52 | MeBigFatGuy | poor jpa |
| 04:55.17 | creeperz | ok |
| 04:55.33 | creeperz | my friend just forgot his administrator password for his computer |
| 04:55.37 | creeperz | he cannot log in whatsoever |
| 04:55.42 | MeBigFatGuy | bummer |
| 04:55.51 | creeperz | is there a way to wipe the password file? |
| 04:55.57 | creeperz | and keep the information? |
| 04:55.58 | MeBigFatGuy | got cds? |
| 04:56.02 | creeperz | yeah |
| 04:56.04 | MeBigFatGuy | ah... no |
| 04:56.11 | creeperz | oh |
| 04:56.16 | jpa_ | i remember some remove-xp-password linux-livecd |
| 04:56.17 | MeBigFatGuy | big magnet? |
| 04:56.21 | creeperz | i heard about something on The Screen Savers a logn time ago |
| 04:56.28 | creeperz | lol |
| 05:03.59 | creeperz | found something trhat might work |
| 05:06.31 | MeBigFatGuy | big brick? |
| 05:06.36 | creeperz | no |
| 05:06.42 | creeperz | foudn a magnet |
| 05:06.45 | creeperz | no :-P |
| 05:06.48 | creeperz | called Windows Key |
| 05:08.56 | creeperz | and it sucks... |
| 05:09.15 | orchid | creeperz: knoppix live cd |
| 05:09.30 | creeperz | it can reset the windows password? |
| 05:09.47 | blast007 | hmm...trying to recall the name of that password reset tool...it was a linux disk that could write to the Windows registry |
| 05:09.47 | orchid | yeah and scan for virus and malware |
| 05:10.44 | creeperz | how do i get/make a live CD? |
| 05:10.56 | blast007 | download the ISO, and burn it |
| 05:11.25 | blast007 | think nero calls it "burn image to CD" |
| 05:11.30 | creeperz | yeah |
| 05:12.04 | creeperz | what file though? |
| 05:12.14 | blast007 | the .iso ;) |
| 05:12.20 | creeperz | ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.6-2004-08-16-DE.iso ? |
| 05:12.32 | blast007 | ah, found that link for the password reset disk |
| 05:12.33 | blast007 | http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html |
| 05:12.56 | blast007 | only a 1.1MB download, unless you need extra SCSI drivers |
| 05:13.08 | creeperz | no |
| 05:13.31 | blast007 | no? |
| 05:16.17 | creeperz | i dont need scsi drivers :-P |
| 05:16.33 | blast007 | ah |
| 05:18.11 | blast007 | I've used that disk at work on numerous occasions when customers forgot their passwords :) |
| 05:18.27 | creeperz | heh |
| 05:18.33 | creeperz | so it DOES work then, right? |
| 05:19.12 | blast007 | what version of windows is it? |
| 05:19.55 | blast007 | and really, it should work for 2000+ |
| 05:20.18 | blast007 | mainly we've used it on XP |
| 05:37.39 | orchid | creeperz still locked out? |
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| 05:49.55 | sussudio | :-| |
| 05:50.31 | sussudio | i just downloaded 2.0.2 but my menu is all in red and blocky. |
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| 05:57.35 | creeperz | who was telling me about that program? |
| 05:57.38 | creeperz | to reset my password |
| 05:57.54 | creeperz | /delete my password |
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| 06:01.15 | blast007 | creeperz: about the 1.1MB one? |
| 06:01.22 | creeperz | yeah |
| 06:01.35 | blast007 | me |
| 06:01.35 | jpa_ | blast007: does that work with ntfs? |
| 06:01.52 | blast007 | jpa_: does as far as I know |
| 06:01.57 | creeperz | didnt work! |
| 06:02.00 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:02.00 | creeperz | couldnt log in |
| 06:02.04 | creeperz | started freakin out |
| 06:02.11 | blast007 | did you reset it to a blank password? |
| 06:02.17 | creeperz | had to go into safe mode as admin and reset my passwordc |
| 06:02.19 | creeperz | yes |
| 06:02.25 | creeperz | tehn that didnt work |
| 06:02.32 | blast007 | hmm, I've never had it mess up |
| 06:02.33 | creeperz | then i tried changing it to an actual password |
| 06:02.41 | creeperz | im gunna play with it tomorrow |
| 06:02.47 | blast007 | k |
| 06:02.58 | creeperz | try to figure out what i did wrong |
| 06:04.35 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/badfonts.png |
| 06:05.29 | Aribeth | thats bad |
| 06:05.39 | sussudio | yes. |
| 06:06.09 | creeperz | that is |
| 06:06.18 | creeperz | for some reason, reminds me of the matrix |
| 06:06.25 | Aribeth | driver issue maybe |
| 06:06.39 | sussudio | it's with 2.0.2 not with 2.0 |
| 06:06.47 | Aribeth | wow |
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| 06:27.23 | SportChick | Aribeth: where do you add sleepycows to get the textures to work? |
| 06:39.14 | Aribeth | sporty? |
| 06:39.22 | Aribeth | ping |
| 06:43.55 | Aribeth | SportChick ping |
| 06:47.27 | sussudio | it says so when it tries to download |
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| 07:17.11 | SportChick | Aribeth: pong |
| 07:17.18 | Aribeth | h |
| 07:17.23 | SportChick | lo |
| 07:17.47 | Aribeth | do a search for a file called DownloadAccess.txt |
| 07:18.17 | Aribeth | then add allow bzflag.sleepycows.org to it |
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| 08:42.29 | sussudio | anyone on the font crappage since 2.0.2? |
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| 14:08.44 | Chikorita | ~d |
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| 15:21.04 | jpa_ | lalala |
| 15:21.22 | menotume | tada |
| 15:22.00 | jpa_ | menotume <3 |
| 15:23.05 | menotume | the face looks evil |
| 15:23.14 | menotume | _that_ face |
| 15:23.19 | jpa_ | what face? |
| 15:23.23 | menotume | <3 |
| 15:23.24 | jpa_ | it wasn't a face |
| 15:23.37 | menotume | ahhh, what is it ? |
| 15:24.02 | jpa_ | it just means "lower than 3" |
| 15:24.05 | jpa_ | refers to your IQ |
| 15:24.13 | menotume | ok :) |
| 15:24.17 | menotume | lol |
| 15:24.32 | menotume | see, i knew it was evil |
| 15:24.35 | jpa_ | or then, it could be a heart :) |
| 15:24.53 | menotume | ahhhh, right-o <3 |
| 15:26.07 | SportChick | ~jpa_-- |
| 15:26.21 | jpa_ | what? :( |
| 15:26.33 | SportChick | his iq? |
| 15:26.50 | jpa_ | yes, but i told the truth anyway |
| 15:27.11 | menotume | hellos Sporty |
| 15:27.25 | SportChick | if you are nice to him for the next HOUR, i'll give your karma back |
| 15:27.37 | SportChick | menotume: hi |
| 15:27.42 | jpa_ | nah |
| 15:27.51 | jpa- | easier, and i like this better |
| 15:28.15 | jpa- | SportChick <3 |
| 15:28.27 | ToughShooter | Hi SportChick |
| 15:37.14 | orchid | !debian version wget-el |
| 15:37.15 | guu | orchid: 2 matches found: wget-el (testing: 0.5.0-3); wget-el (unstable: 0.5.0-3) |
| 15:39.24 | jpa- | -el? |
| 15:39.39 | jpa- | a specialized evil version of wget? :) |
| 15:41.15 | Chestal | a version for emacs-girl ;-) |
| 15:41.23 | orchid | for wget inside emacs |
| 15:41.29 | orchid | :) |
| 15:41.51 | orchid | ERROR: did not get token: |
| 15:41.51 | orchid | NOTOK: invalid callsign or password (bzg:foobar) |
| 15:42.20 | orchid | this message could be read by a server owner right? |
| 15:42.32 | blast007 | no |
| 15:42.39 | blast007 | only the client would see that |
| 15:42.40 | orchid | or only my client sees it? |
| 15:42.43 | orchid | ok |
| 15:43.00 | jpa- | yup |
| 15:43.10 | jpa- | it comes straight back from the list server |
| 15:43.28 | orchid | just making sure theres no way for rogue admins to do that |
| 15:43.42 | orchid | s/admins/owners |
| 15:43.49 | jpa- | one hack does exist, i think |
| 15:43.56 | orchid | oh? |
| 15:44.14 | jpa- | if the server is hacked not to send the token to list server, it stays valid for a moment |
| 15:44.27 | jpa- | so evil admin could log with your nick to another server once |
| 15:44.38 | Chestal | list server checks the IP, though |
| 15:44.44 | jpa- | does it? |
| 15:44.46 | jpa- | nice :) |
| 15:45.00 | Chestal | yes, this was added at some time, although it can cause problems for valid users sometimes, too |
| 15:45.17 | Chestal | peopel with unusual network configs which have several IPs, transparent proxies and the like |
| 15:45.41 | jpa- | [dmp]: token is given before connecting, it doesn't know which server it is going to connect to |
| 15:46.32 | Chestal | ok, 216 CPUs working for me |
| 15:46.36 | jpa- | hmm.. so the ip checking works so that server sends client ip to list server along with the token? |
| 15:46.48 | Chestal | no |
| 15:46.58 | Chestal | eh, yes |
| 15:47.44 | SportChick | ToughShooter: hi |
| 15:47.51 | SportChick | ~karma jpa- |
| 15:47.51 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -9 |
| 15:47.58 | SportChick | ~karma jpa-++ |
| 15:47.58 | ibot | jpa-++ has neutral karma |
| 15:48.13 | SportChick | ~jpa-++ |
| 15:48.32 | SportChick | ~jpa_-- |
| 15:48.33 | jpa- | what, why? |
| 15:48.48 | jpa- | you can't make me nice that way :E |
| 15:48.52 | SportChick | ~jpa_-- |
| 15:48.55 | SportChick | ~jpa-++ |
| 15:49.01 | jpa- | i'm the mean one, you know? |
| 15:49.14 | SportChick | that's why I'm giving you positive karma - to make you non-descript |
| 15:49.25 | jpa- | that is so evil |
| 15:49.29 | jpa- | you are mean |
| 15:49.34 | SportChick | ~jpa-++ |
| 15:49.42 | SportChick | me? mean? I think not |
| 15:49.50 | SportChick | ~jpa-++ |
| 15:50.29 | jpa- | ~karma |
| 15:50.29 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -5 |
| 15:50.34 | jpa- | i do not complain :) |
| 16:02.48 | SportChick | ~jpa-++ |
| 16:02.53 | SportChick | ~jpa_-- |
| 16:03.05 | SportChick | ~karma jpa- |
| 16:03.05 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -4 |
| 16:03.09 | SportChick | ~karma jpa_ |
| 16:03.09 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 1 |
| 16:03.20 | SportChick | ~jpa-++ |
| 16:03.32 | SportChick | ~jpa-++ |
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| 16:03.51 | SportChick | ~karma jpa-++ |
| 16:03.51 | ibot | jpa-++ has neutral karma |
| 16:04.01 | spldart | Morning all |
| 16:04.08 | spldart | Morning ibot |
| 16:04.08 | SportChick | ~karma jpa_ |
| 16:04.08 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 1 |
| 16:04.19 | SportChick | ~jpa_- |
| 16:04.24 | SportChick | ~jpa_-- |
| 16:04.36 | jpa- | eww |
| 16:04.44 | jpa- | she is.. making me nice :( |
| 16:05.08 | jpa- | ~dict non-descript |
| 16:05.22 | jpa- | not interesting :( |
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| 16:23.21 | [dmp] | jpa-: dont worry. We are alot that got that label. But nobody cares :) |
| 16:32.48 | menotume | non-descript is good sometimes |
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| 17:35.53 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Send message to admin when a player is removed because team killing |
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| 17:43.10 | bz2940 | is there any way to limit the amount of upload speed a computer on a network is allowed? |
| 17:43.40 | JeffM2501 | there are softwares that can do that |
| 17:44.17 | bz2940 | mk, any freeware? |
| 17:44.53 | JeffM2501 | probalby on linux |
| 17:45.01 | JeffM2501 | basicly your making something be a router |
| 17:45.54 | bz2940 | mk |
| 17:46.01 | bz2940 | I'm going to have 3 computers on a network |
| 17:46.06 | bz2940 | one as a server |
| 17:46.09 | bz2940 | to the other two |
| 17:46.19 | JeffM2501 | wow brad2901 your boys are kinda topic lock happy over there arn't they? |
| 17:46.25 | bz2940 | and the server will dictate how much upload speed the other two computers will receive |
| 17:46.41 | JeffM2501 | then what ever your using for connection sharing should do that |
| 17:46.45 | brad2901 | haven't been there recently |
| 17:47.06 | bz2940 | ok, what's the address to the router again? |
| 17:48.33 | JeffM2501 | bz2940, depends on your network and your setup |
| 17:48.37 | JeffM2501 | we can't read your network |
| 17:48.39 | brad2901 | jeffM, send a PM to scorch, that would freak him out |
| 17:48.51 | JeffM2501 | I'm not there to freak anyone out |
| 17:49.01 | brad2901 | sure you are |
| 17:49.05 | JeffM2501 | the rest of your users seem to be doing just fine freaking each other out |
| 17:49.10 | JeffM2501 | I mean damn |
| 17:49.20 | JeffM2501 | it's a childrens bickerfest there |
| 17:49.25 | brad2901 | yeah |
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| 17:49.58 | JeffM2501 | and people wonder why we are so "harsh" on bzbb :) |
| 17:50.04 | brad2901 | heh |
| 17:50.30 | brad2901 | btw, who told you the adress? |
| 17:50.54 | JeffM2501 | I've known about it for a long while |
| 17:50.57 | JeffM2501 | it is in your sig |
| 17:51.02 | JeffM2501 | but CoH brought it up rencently |
| 17:51.19 | brad2901 | oh yeah, my sig :/ |
| 17:51.33 | brad2901 | and why would coh talk about it? |
| 17:51.43 | JeffM2501 | braging about something I think |
| 17:51.53 | JeffM2501 | the ban post IIRC |
| 17:51.58 | brad2901 | ah |
| 17:53.02 | JeffM2501 | aperanlty I'm paranoid |
| 17:53.06 | JeffM2501 | and have issues |
| 17:53.11 | brad2901 | who said that? |
| 17:53.13 | brad2901 | coh? |
| 17:54.06 | JeffM2501 | no memnarch I think |
| 17:54.30 | brad2901 | hmm |
| 17:56.02 | spldart | I used to think you were overly strict JeffM... But I see now that there is more immaturity to deal with at times on bz theme boards. |
| 17:56.46 | spldart | I'm now thinking you do a pretty good job considering what you have to deal with. |
| 17:57.08 | JeffM2501 | the old boards bz used to have were unmoderated |
| 17:57.12 | JeffM2501 | they did not end well |
| 17:57.17 | spldart | I'm sure |
| 17:57.19 | orchid | heh |
| 17:57.23 | orchid | EZ boards? |
| 17:57.27 | JeffM2501 | that lack of moderation is the entire reason bzbb was made |
| 17:57.27 | spldart | I modded a couple of car audio boards |
| 17:57.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:57.31 | spldart | Termpro was one |
| 17:57.35 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 17:57.41 | JeffM2501 | a lot of kids play the game |
| 17:57.47 | spldart | yep |
| 17:57.59 | JeffM2501 | so and those forums are a place for them to get an outlet for attention |
| 17:58.07 | JeffM2501 | not a bad thing in itself |
| 17:58.16 | JeffM2501 | but if left unchecked it can degenerate |
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| 17:58.49 | JeffM2501 | I've had people tell me I lock threads too much and the boards are "lock happy" |
| 17:58.57 | JeffM2501 | we've locked like 10 threads total |
| 17:59.17 | JeffM2501 | I've had people tell me the master ban list is evil and abused |
| 17:59.20 | JeffM2501 | there are 5 people on it |
| 17:59.46 | spldart | I know what you dealing with :( |
| 17:59.50 | JeffM2501 | it's just the people who end up geting limited when they want to go whole hog who complain |
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| 18:00.37 | orchid | hello kierra |
| 18:00.47 | JeffM2501 | after reading brad's boards I'm convinced CoH is just trying to be the bigest jerk he can be. He seems to just be able to shout, and insult others. that's it. |
| 18:00.56 | kierra | hello orchid :) |
| 18:01.26 | brad2901 | JeffM, I have talked to him, he promised to calm down |
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| 18:02.04 | brad2901 | :) |
| 18:02.04 | JeffM2501 | it's hard to know when your a new server owner |
| 18:02.30 | JeffM2501 | the kids often "Squeak" into admin positions on new servers cus of that |
| 18:03.05 | spldart | ic |
| 18:03.34 | JeffM2501 | IIRC nid requires age 17 to be an admin |
| 18:03.37 | JeffM2501 | may even be 18 |
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| 18:05.02 | JeffM2501 | and like cosmos said the other day, I'm sure he'd make his server 18+ if he could |
| 18:05.24 | JeffM2501 | it too bad that statisticly kids are just jerks |
| 18:05.28 | brad2901 | :( |
| 18:05.47 | JeffM2501 | not all are |
| 18:05.55 | JeffM2501 | but it seems most of them try |
| 18:05.56 | spldart | hehe |
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| 18:13.38 | jpa- | lalal |
| 18:13.45 | Aribeth_away | hi SportyGal |
| 18:14.10 | SportyGal | Aribeth_away: hi |
| 18:14.31 | jpa- | SportyGal: hi |
| 18:14.48 | SportyGal | jpa-: hi |
| 18:16.29 | Aribeth_away | karma jpa_ |
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| 18:16.45 | Aribeth_away | ~karma jpa_ |
| 18:16.45 | ibot | jpa_ has neutral karma |
| 18:17.00 | SportyGal | Tupone: hi! |
| 18:17.11 | Tupone | hey SportyGal |
| 18:17.35 | brad2901 | ~jpa_++ |
| 18:17.45 | jpa- | no no no |
| 18:17.49 | jpa- | it is jpa- |
| 18:17.57 | brad2901 | oooh :) |
| 18:17.58 | jpa- | and <3<33<3 brad2901 |
| 18:18.02 | brad2901 | ~jpa-++ |
| 18:20.04 | jpa- | :) |
| 18:20.09 | jpa- | ~brad2901++ |
| 18:20.12 | brad2901 | :) |
| 18:20.16 | brad2901 | ~karma |
| 18:20.16 | ibot | brad2901 has karma of 22 |
| 18:20.19 | brad2901 | yay |
| 18:20.29 | spldart | What is this ~karma stuff? |
| 18:20.31 | jpa- | eww |
| 18:20.37 | jpa- | that is evil much of karma |
| 18:20.47 | Pimpinella | whats the meaning of GvzEvxre? |
| 18:21.02 | spldart | ~karma |
| 18:21.02 | ibot | spldart has neutral karma |
| 18:21.13 | spldart | Was iz das? |
| 18:21.28 | Pimpinella | mostly a toy |
| 18:21.37 | spldart | Ic |
| 18:21.48 | SportyGal | ~karma |
| 18:21.48 | ibot | sportygal has karma of 3 |
| 18:21.58 | Pimpinella | ppl can add to or remove from your karma |
| 18:21.58 | SportyGal | ~karma SportChick |
| 18:21.58 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 87 |
| 18:22.08 | JeffM2501 | it's a number |
| 18:22.19 | spldart | And jpa doesn't like to much? :) |
| 18:22.28 | jpa- | better people have higher numbers |
| 18:22.35 | JeffM2501 | it's just a number |
| 18:22.38 | JeffM2501 | like score in bzflag |
| 18:22.42 | jpa- | evil people tend to have lower ones |
| 18:22.43 | spldart | But there is no meaning to it |
| 18:22.44 | Aribeth_away | ~karma |
| 18:22.44 | ibot | aribeth_away has neutral karma |
| 18:22.49 | JeffM2501 | he who has been there longer has biger numbers |
| 18:22.51 | Aribeth_away | WHAT! |
| 18:22.54 | spldart | Other than people have added or subtracted |
| 18:22.57 | Pimpinella | if they think you are nice or helpful or if your grandmom has big feet |
| 18:23.05 | JeffM2501 | ~karma Aribeth |
| 18:23.05 | ibot | aribeth has karma of 11 |
| 18:23.13 | SportyGal | ~Aribeth++ |
| 18:23.20 | Aribeth | :) |
| 18:23.25 | Aribeth | ~karma |
| 18:23.25 | ibot | aribeth has karma of 12 |
| 18:23.35 | spldart | LOLOL |
| 18:23.46 | SportyGal | ~Aribeth++ |
| 18:23.51 | Aribeth | :) |
| 18:23.53 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501: the one with the longest has biggest karma? |
| 18:23.57 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 18:24.05 | JeffM2501 | it used to be tim |
| 18:24.16 | JeffM2501 | but he had a "procedure" |
| 18:24.20 | brad2901 | ~karma timriker |
| 18:24.20 | ibot | timriker has karma of -655 |
| 18:24.20 | Pimpinella | ~karma TimRiker |
| 18:24.20 | ibot | timriker has karma of -655 |
| 18:24.23 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: hehe |
| 18:24.35 | SportyGal | timriker USED to have karma of about 8000000 |
| 18:24.49 | JeffM2501 | it was a couple trillion |
| 18:24.57 | Aribeth | ~jpa--- |
| 18:24.58 | JeffM2501 | it would have taken 31 years for the bot to get him to 0 |
| 18:24.59 | jpa- | some evil JeffM2501 has been playing with his karma machine? |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2501 | he sets his karmic value |
| 18:25.17 | JeffM2501 | he owns the bot |
| 18:25.21 | jpa- | evil |
| 18:25.39 | JeffM2501 | ~timriker++ |
| 18:25.52 | JeffM2501 | it's just a database entry |
| 18:26.07 | SportyGal | ~jpa- |
| 18:26.13 | SportyGal | ~karma jpa- |
| 18:26.13 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -2 |
| 18:26.56 | jpa- | hmph |
| 18:27.03 | jpa- | where did my karma go? |
| 18:27.20 | JeffM2501 | karma is a fickle mistress |
| 18:27.37 | brad2901 | ibot, status |
| 18:27.38 | ibot | Since Mon Mar 21 23:02:57 2005, there have been 14 modifications, 131 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 125 commands. I have been awake for 1d 19h 24m 41s this session, and currently reference 108383 factoids. I'm using about 15900 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3836.8/207.92 child 236.87/17.4 |
| 18:27.53 | jpa- | ibot: hi, i'm a moron |
| 18:27.56 | Pimpinella | dunno |
| 18:27.59 | jpa- | ibot: status |
| 18:28.00 | ibot | Since Mon Mar 21 23:02:57 2005, there have been 14 modifications, 131 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 125 commands. I have been awake for 1d 19h 25m 2s this session, and currently reference 108383 factoids. I'm using about 15904 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3838.51/208.49 child 236.87/17.4 |
| 18:28.05 | jpa- | hmhph :( |
| 18:29.39 | Aribeth | ~iq lpa- |
| 18:29.46 | Aribeth | ~iq jpa- |
| 18:30.08 | Aribeth | jpa iq = -4 |
| 18:30.42 | jpa- | ~iq Aribeth |
| 18:30.43 | ibot | 2.573*10^(-3) |
| 18:30.43 | bryjen | if you send ibot a bunch of stuff it doesn't understand, it'll declare you a moron |
| 18:31.13 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 18:31.46 | Aribeth | hummmm...the last time i was tested it was 168 |
| 18:32.06 | jpa- | yup |
| 18:32.36 | jpa- | you have probably missed the dot.. |
| 18:33.11 | Aribeth | i dont think so |
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| 18:42.28 | *** join/#bzflag bz9586 (~44542ca7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:42.34 | bz9586 | anyone use a belkin router |
| 18:42.52 | bz9586 | i need to know how to "ration" people's upload speeds on my network |
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| 18:43.07 | JeffM2501 | does it even support that feature? |
| 18:43.22 | JeffM2501 | that's usualy a feature of higher end routers |
| 18:43.23 | bz9586 | i wouldn't know, that's why I'm asking. |
| 18:43.29 | JeffM2501 | read the docs on it |
| 18:43.31 | bz9586 | Yeah, this one's pretty junky |
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| 18:43.47 | bz9586 | what terms would I look for? |
| 18:43.53 | JeffM2501 | bandwith |
| 18:43.57 | JeffM2501 | limit |
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| 18:56.49 | jpa- | traffic shaping |
| 18:59.31 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (~admin@ACD635E6.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:02.11 | bz9586 | any freeware programs? |
| 19:02.34 | JeffM2501 | google |
| 19:02.42 | bz9586 | heh, i am |
| 19:02.45 | JeffM2501 | we are not a networking channel |
| 19:02.57 | jpa- | linux :) |
| 19:03.00 | JeffM2501 | usualy you can only use software for it if you are using a PC as the router |
| 19:03.07 | bz9586 | would linux do it on it's own? |
| 19:03.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah like using linux for the router |
| 19:03.31 | JeffM2501 | linux isn't a router on its own, there are many router packages for it |
| 19:03.34 | bz9586 | would fedora core do the trick? |
| 19:03.35 | JeffM2501 | many of them do shaping |
| 19:03.40 | JeffM2501 | it probalby has a package |
| 19:03.44 | bz9586 | mk |
| 19:03.46 | jpa- | well, there is a program called netlimiter for windows |
| 19:03.59 | jpa- | it will just limit the network usage on one computer |
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| 19:04.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 19:04.18 | jpa- | JeffM2501: and yes, linux will do it on its own |
| 19:04.33 | JeffM2501 | linux is just an OS kernel |
| 19:04.37 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't do anything on it's own |
| 19:04.37 | jpa- | JeffM2501: iptables / ipchains is just for manipulating kernel filtering tables |
| 19:04.44 | JeffM2501 | those are programs |
| 19:04.46 | JeffM2501 | for linux |
| 19:04.48 | jpa- | yes |
| 19:04.53 | JeffM2501 | that is not linux itself |
| 19:05.00 | jpa- | but the firewall/routing/shaping is in the kernel |
| 19:05.34 | JeffM2501 | sure it's part of the network stack stuff |
| 19:05.43 | JeffM2501 | all net stacks have packet level stuff |
| 19:05.45 | JeffM2501 | even windows |
| 19:05.49 | jpa- | yup |
| 19:05.50 | JeffM2501 | you just need an app to set it up |
| 19:05.54 | jpa- | yes |
| 19:06.02 | JeffM2501 | so saying just linux will do it is misleading |
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| 19:06.09 | jpa- | so linux does the shaping on its own :P |
| 19:06.09 | JeffM2501 | since you need OTHER things to do it |
| 19:06.25 | JeffM2501 | it's best not to confuse people |
| 19:06.31 | jpa- | yes :P |
| 19:06.32 | JeffM2501 | but I forget |
| 19:06.37 | JeffM2501 | you like making people mad |
| 19:06.43 | jpa- | yes :) |
| 19:06.46 | JeffM2501 | I guess it somehow makes you feel better |
| 19:07.23 | jpa- | actually not |
| 19:07.38 | jpa- | because this time it was not intentional |
| 19:08.38 | JeffM2501 | bandwith limiting is one reason I want a 3com router for the next one I get |
| 19:08.50 | JeffM2501 | that and staic IP DHCP |
| 19:08.58 | bz9586 | that'd be a nice thing to own |
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| 19:12.11 | JeffM2501 | they are under 100 |
| 19:12.18 | JeffM2501 | small office series |
| 19:13.42 | orchid | can you shell into them JeffM2501 ? |
| 19:14.35 | Tupone | hey orchid |
| 19:14.49 | JeffM2501 | never tried |
| 19:14.52 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 19:14.53 | JeffM2501 | it's all web stuff |
| 19:14.57 | JeffM2501 | we have one for our wireless here |
| 19:15.11 | Birdie | good evening orchid |
| 19:15.17 | orchid | yeah, id like them to support text browsers at least though |
| 19:15.27 | orchid | hey Birdie |
| 19:15.46 | JeffM2501 | it was a prety simple page |
| 19:16.07 | JeffM2501 | no fancy panes or scripts or java |
| 19:21.28 | bzflagwiz | I have a question about LocalPlayer::doUpdateMotion in src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx |
| 19:21.35 | bzflagwiz | we check if player is Dead, paused or exploding |
| 19:21.43 | bzflagwiz | Then we allow full control of speed/angle if |
| 19:21.43 | bzflagwiz | ((location == OnGround) || (location == OnBuilding) || (location == InBuilding && oldPosition[2] == groundLimit)) |
| 19:21.58 | bzflagwiz | The last one about if we're in a building and at ground level confuses me. Why would we allow movement in this situation? |
| 19:22.08 | jpa- | it is OO |
| 19:22.32 | jpa- | if it is not on ground, we are jumping inside with OO |
| 19:22.36 | blast007 | if they are on the ground with OO, they should be allowed to move around and turn |
| 19:22.53 | blast007 | (when in a building) |
| 19:23.02 | bzflagwiz | Oh - bitten by the obvious again :( |
| 19:23.12 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:23.20 | jpa- | makes us feel smarter :) |
| 19:24.10 | bzflagwiz | jpa->iq |
| 19:24.32 | bzflagwiz | doh - cgiirc doesn't like plus signs... |
| 19:24.52 | bzflagwiz | jpa->iq(plus plus) |
| 19:25.08 | jpa- | parse error on line 1 : expected ; not \n |
| 19:27.00 | spldart | I can see why some servers boot you for to much lag.... It's very difficult to kill somebody with 700+ lagtime :( |
| 19:27.16 | jpa- | yup |
| 19:28.07 | jpa- | we should have server to make all the msgkill:s and stuff |
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| 19:28.57 | Argunus_Ru | hi all |
| 19:29.13 | jpa- | hi |
| 19:29.21 | Argunus_Ru | some one can hear me? |
| 19:29.27 | Argunus_Ru | anyone |
| 19:29.28 | jpa- | nope |
| 19:29.33 | Argunus_Ru | why? |
| 19:29.35 | jpa- | i can't see anything you type |
| 19:29.45 | Argunus_Ru | wait a minuit? |
| 19:29.49 | jpa- | it is probably because you are pressing your keys too softly |
| 19:30.01 | Tupone | a minuet? |
| 19:30.03 | Argunus_Ru | wait a minuit |
| 19:30.06 | jpa- | try pressing them harder to make clearer signal |
| 19:30.16 | Argunus_Ru | oh okj |
| 19:30.36 | jpa- | now i can see something.. |
| 19:30.44 | ruskie | lol jpa- you BOFH :)) |
| 19:30.46 | jpa- | but still, there appears to be one 'j' too much |
| 19:31.06 | Tupone | jpa-: I imagine your karma going down by SportyGal |
| 19:31.09 | Argunus_Ru | what ?!!!!! |
| 19:31.24 | jpa- | Argunus_Ru: now i can see you just fine :) |
| 19:31.29 | jpa- | Tupone: :D |
| 19:31.48 | spldart | lmao |
| 19:31.56 | Argunus_Ru | lmao |
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| 19:33.04 | Argunus_Ru | say what? |
| 19:33.26 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:33.34 | Argunus_Ru | what i didnt get it |
| 19:33.38 | JeffM2501 | jpa is an O? |
| 19:33.45 | JeffM2501 | he's just screwing with you |
| 19:33.49 | JeffM2501 | like he does with everyone |
| 19:33.53 | JeffM2501 | and will continue |
| 19:33.57 | JeffM2501 | unitll he gets kicked |
| 19:34.03 | ruskie | naahhh |
| 19:34.08 | ruskie | he's just amusing everyone |
| 19:34.08 | JeffM2501 | no not you |
| 19:34.09 | JeffM2501 | jpa |
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| 19:34.17 | jpa- | :/ |
| 19:34.18 | Argunus_Ru | mabe u mujst kick him right now? |
| 19:34.36 | jpa- | i was just trying to be helpful |
| 19:34.38 | Argunus_Ru | ha jpa now what do u think about harder presssing? |
| 19:34.45 | ruskie | jpa-, is amusing he doesn't desreve to get kicked |
| 19:34.57 | Argunus_Ru | ruskie it was joke |
| 19:35.02 | Argunus_Ru | wait a sec |
| 19:35.05 | jpa- | not everyone knows that they have to press keys harder to get the signal to transmit to distant places |
| 19:35.09 | Argunus_Ru | ruskie where are u from? |
| 19:35.12 | jpa- | Argunus_Ru: so, where do you live? |
| 19:35.15 | ruskie | slovenia |
| 19:35.23 | Argunus_Ru | privet ruskie |
| 19:35.27 | jpa- | yup |
| 19:35.30 | ruskie | what for |
| 19:35.31 | Argunus_Ru | russia im from russia |
| 19:35.39 | Argunus_Ru | now im in Canada |
| 19:35.43 | jpa- | you have to press your keys quite hard to get the signal to finland from there |
| 19:35.58 | JeffM2501 | good lord man |
| 19:36.00 | JeffM2501 | give it up |
| 19:36.00 | jpa- | as the main server for all irc communication is in finland |
| 19:36.08 | Argunus_Ru | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.36 | Argunus_Ru | is not good enough for irc |
| 19:37.19 | jpa- | it might be a bit difficult to learn, yes |
| 19:37.25 | Tupone | Argunus_Ru: stop pinging |
| 19:37.30 | sussudio | Tupone: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/badfonts.png |
| 19:37.31 | jpa- | but it is fun after you learn to do it right :) |
| 19:37.39 | Argunus_Ru | whay ping is jpa's? |
| 19:37.56 | Argunus_Ru | lmao |
| 19:38.28 | Argunus_Ru | sussodio who r u? |
| 19:38.53 | JeffM2501 | that's some bad fonts |
| 19:39.03 | sussudio | JeffM2501: introduced in 2.0.0.2 somehow. |
| 19:39.07 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 19:39.14 | sussudio | no probs in 2.0.0 |
| 19:39.20 | JeffM2501 | I seme to recall seeing that before |
| 19:39.23 | bryjen | matrix like |
| 19:39.27 | JeffM2501 | try turning off blending |
| 19:39.37 | sussudio | doesn't matter |
| 19:39.41 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 19:39.43 | sussudio | i think that made it worse |
| 19:39.58 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 19:40.04 | JeffM2501 | IIRC dtr had some experience with it |
| 19:40.09 | Argunus_Ru | give way for jemf sussudio |
| 19:40.25 | sussudio | yeah turning off blending makes it look worse |
| 19:40.28 | JeffM2501 | Argunus_Ru, huh? |
| 19:40.32 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 19:40.34 | bryjen | i think i've seen sometime like that too. looked like every other character went wacky tranparent or something |
| 19:40.48 | Argunus_Ru | way hot to introduce 2.0.* |
| 19:40.51 | Tupone | we changed some gl status reset |
| 19:40.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:41.00 | Tupone | DTR did |
| 19:41.02 | JeffM2501 | that may be why that code was in there |
| 19:41.06 | jpa- | Argunus_Ru: your writing is fading out.. could you press a little harder? |
| 19:41.06 | JeffM2501 | to fix that problem |
| 19:41.14 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, dude, cut it out |
| 19:41.17 | JeffM2501 | seriously |
| 19:41.21 | JeffM2501 | you have gone too far |
| 19:41.21 | jpa- | :P |
| 19:41.30 | JeffM2501 | excuse me? |
| 19:41.34 | Argunus_Ru | yeah jpa u have done to far |
| 19:41.37 | JeffM2501 | sussudio, what card if I may ask? |
| 19:41.44 | sussudio | JeffM2501: radeon 7200 aiw |
| 19:41.47 | bryjen | my last build of 1.10 does it |
| 19:41.49 | JeffM2501 | Argunus_Ru, please type properly |
| 19:42.03 | Argunus_Ru | wat |
| 19:42.22 | Argunus_Ru | oh |
| 19:42.29 | sussudio | "Radeon 7200 DDR x86/MMX/3DNow!" |
| 19:42.31 | JeffM2501 | Argunus_Ru, we are trying to discuss a bug here, this is not time for sillyness |
| 19:42.44 | JeffM2501 | sussudio, we can have DTR put the reset back in and tie it to a config option |
| 19:42.50 | Argunus_Ru | wat a bug and why 2.0.* buggy |
| 19:42.55 | sussudio | JeffM2501: mkay? |
| 19:43.03 | JeffM2501 | on some sysetems ( nvidias) the reset slows down drawing |
| 19:43.10 | JeffM2501 | but it may be needed on ati's |
| 19:43.26 | Argunus_Ru | who made 2.0/*? |
| 19:43.27 | JeffM2501 | we were unable to find out WHY the reset got put in there in the first place |
| 19:43.33 | JeffM2501 | Argunus_Ru, we all did |
| 19:43.44 | JeffM2501 | your problem may be why it was in there |
| 19:43.47 | sussudio | it's only in the server list |
| 19:43.48 | JeffM2501 | I can look at it later today |
| 19:44.07 | JeffM2501 | I've seen people have it in other places |
| 19:44.15 | JeffM2501 | more then likely ATI just loses the date |
| 19:44.16 | JeffM2501 | state |
| 19:44.20 | JeffM2501 | so the reset makes sure it's clean |
| 19:44.40 | JeffM2501 | it does look like your alpha value is gone "wonkey" |
| 19:44.46 | bryjen | sussudio: tried looking at the Help menu? or does that one work OK? |
| 19:45.50 | bryjen | err, those ones. as there are a few pages of help. |
| 19:45.54 | sussudio | help menu is ok |
| 19:46.32 | bryjen | erhm. my the "Controls" page of my help menu is wierd. the others are OK. |
| 19:46.35 | Argunus_Ru | cya ya |
| 19:46.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh it's that guy |
| 19:47.03 | JeffM2501 | one of the banned of brothers |
| 19:47.04 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/BUGS: notes on GL font reset for ATI cards |
| 19:47.30 | bryjen | may be a completely different bug tho. your screenshot just reminded me of mine |
| 19:47.45 | JeffM2501 | I've seen his font thing from back in 1.11.xx |
| 19:47.54 | JeffM2501 | the state reset may have been put in to fix that |
| 19:48.01 | bryjen | JeffM2501: I'm looking at a late build of 1.10 |
| 19:48.03 | JeffM2501 | then we just pulled it out |
| 19:48.07 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 19:48.50 | bryjen | :( |
| 19:49.29 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see a system that used a TTF font, to render strings to textures, then used them |
| 19:49.35 | JeffM2501 | and cached the string generation |
| 19:49.43 | JeffM2501 | I think that would be most flexable and the fastest |
| 19:50.06 | JeffM2501 | next fastest would be one that makes a texture per glyph as they are needed |
| 19:50.39 | JeffM2501 | maybe a texture per glyph, then cache a GL list per string |
| 19:50.48 | JeffM2501 | so each string is just a single list call |
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| 19:52.26 | bryjen | aren't the fonts now from TTFs converted to a .png containing all symbols, and it plucks out the ones it needs? |
| 19:52.36 | JeffM2501 | kinda |
| 19:52.41 | JeffM2501 | there are blending issues |
| 19:52.42 | Birdie | hi gina |
| 19:52.46 | gina | hi |
| 19:52.46 | JeffM2501 | and scaling issues |
| 19:52.52 | JeffM2501 | since they are premade at fixed reses |
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| 19:53.03 | JeffM2501 | they are also all shoved into 1 texture |
| 19:53.31 | JeffM2501 | so there can be issues when the GL floating point boundry of the letter dosn't end on a texel |
| 19:54.29 | JeffM2501 | I think it could be better if it was all done from the TTF |
| 19:54.36 | JeffM2501 | then we just make the chars we need |
| 19:54.43 | JeffM2501 | in the exact sizes we need |
| 19:54.52 | JeffM2501 | dosn't waste texture mem |
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| 20:08.45 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/Address.h src/net/Address.cxx): removed unused field (and resolver lookup) |
| 20:08.59 | spldart | Wow... Texas city blew up again :( |
| 20:09.16 | spldart | Amaco refinery |
| 20:09.38 | Pimpinella | hm? |
| 20:09.52 | spldart | JeffM, if you don't mind another ignorant noob question, what language to you guys write bz stuff in? |
| 20:10.06 | Pimpinella | c++ |
| 20:10.13 | spldart | I live in sugar land, work in houston, texas city is not far from here.. |
| 20:10.27 | spldart | VERY LARGE refinary explosiong occurred minutes ago |
| 20:10.41 | spldart | Is there a place i can learn about C++ |
| 20:10.41 | spldart | ? |
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| 20:11.15 | trepan | ~google c++ tutorial |
| 20:11.24 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.24 | jpa- | if one can program in c already, simple stuff is just about copy-paste-modifying old bzflag stuff :) |
| 20:13.40 | Tupone | hey Chikorita |
| 20:13.52 | spldart | Thanks |
| 20:13.53 | Chikorita | hallo Tupo |
| 20:14.02 | Birdie | hi chico! |
| 20:14.09 | Chikorita | birdieee |
| 20:14.13 | spldart | Oh crap.. 3% of our nations supply of gasoline goes through this refinery |
| 20:14.20 | RedBaron2 | hey chikumz |
| 20:14.29 | Chikorita | hi rb2 |
| 20:14.59 | Chikorita | birdie did u c mee playin yesterday evening? |
| 20:15.30 | Pimpinella | jpa-: i don't agree, knowing c might be a good start, but c++ is much trickier imho |
| 20:15.31 | Chikorita | or did any1 c mee playin yesterday evening? |
| 20:15.49 | Birdie | eh as far as i remember..no |
| 20:15.55 | Chikorita | k |
| 20:15.55 | Birdie | well early on the evening(for me) |
| 20:15.57 | Birdie | why |
| 20:15.58 | jpa- | Pimpinella: yes, but i did say _simple stuff_ |
| 20:16.12 | Chikorita | sum1 stole my bz p-word |
| 20:16.24 | RedBaron2 | on hepcat? |
| 20:16.31 | jpa- | Pimpinella: of course, when the modifications get larger and one wants to make something bigger, c++ is a must |
| 20:16.31 | Chikorita | ya |
| 20:16.37 | Chikorita | my global p-word |
| 20:16.42 | Birdie | ouch:( |
| 20:16.43 | RedBaron2 | yea, some hacker has been in there |
| 20:16.48 | RedBaron2 | did the same to lancer a while back |
| 20:16.54 | Chikorita | aua |
| 20:17.05 | RedBaron2 | he had to go in and change it.. |
| 20:17.32 | Chikorita | i wonder how dey did it |
| 20:17.57 | Chikorita | dey can go any server an imposter mee |
| 20:18.10 | Chikorita | an i cant login anywher |
| 20:18.14 | Chikorita | =( |
| 20:18.27 | Birdie | change your password on bzbb? |
| 20:18.47 | Chikorita | im tryin |
| 20:19.12 | Birdie | so actually some hacker is now a cop on hepcat |
| 20:19.47 | Chikorita | yea dat would xplain it |
| 20:20.36 | trepan | global (bzbb) passwords are not sent to servers, admins have no access to them |
| 20:21.04 | Birdie | how could the guy get the password anyway? |
| 20:21.04 | Chikorita | or sum hacker hacked a cop an messed thingz up thru dat person wifout dem knowin |
| 20:21.40 | Chikorita | it iz stored in ur bz puter file? |
| 20:22.14 | trepan | if you ask for it to be stored in the options menu, it is |
| 20:22.27 | Chikorita | yea |
| 20:23.07 | Chikorita | many servers have /identify function turned off |
| 20:25.41 | Chikorita | mayb i should make my next p-word alil mor compicated =P |
| 20:26.01 | Chikorita | s/compicated/complicated |
| 20:27.36 | Chikorita | can sum1 help mee change my p-word otha than jeff? |
| 20:28.09 | trepan | Chikorita: go to your profile page on bzbb |
| 20:28.10 | Birdie | i guess you need dtr, nidhoggr, tim riker than |
| 20:28.13 | blast007 | should be able to do that from the board, unless you can't log in |
| 20:28.31 | Chikorita | i cant log in |
| 20:28.42 | blast007 | ah, ok |
| 20:28.43 | Chikorita | it duznt recognize my p-word anymor |
| 20:28.46 | Chikorita | sum1 changed it |
| 20:29.18 | RedBaron2 | yikes.. |
| 20:29.26 | Chikorita | =( |
| 20:29.28 | RedBaron2 | so he hacked it then went in and changed it? |
| 20:29.33 | trepan | Chikorita: use the "I forgot my password" button |
| 20:29.34 | Chikorita | yea |
| 20:29.45 | trepan | it looks like it'll make you a new one, and send it to you |
| 20:29.52 | blast007 | hopefully they didn't change the email too :/ |
| 20:30.08 | Chikorita | it wil send a message 2 my old email addy which iz ded |
| 20:30.18 | Chikorita | or dey can change my email addy too |
| 20:33.14 | blast007 | anyway, if people want to generate random passwords, I've used this before: https://www.winguides.com/security/password.php |
| 20:34.00 | Chikorita | if jeff or tim or doug or dtr sees dis plz change my bzbb p-word 2 anyting u want |
| 20:34.51 | Chikorita | im not so much concerned dat i cant log-in . im mor worried dat sum1 can use my admin priveledge on hepcat 2 cause trubble |
| 20:35.07 | blast007 | yeah... |
| 20:35.42 | Chikorita | ther have been alot of hacker threats l8ly on hepcat |
| 20:36.05 | Chikorita | esp. by redsoxfan90 an sum german dood |
| 20:36.06 | blast007 | some people just have nothing better to do :( |
| 20:36.17 | Chikorita | yea =/ |
| 20:37.21 | Chikorita | mayb sum german dood over ther *ahem* >>>>> |
| 20:37.25 | Chikorita | =P |
| 20:37.54 | *** part/#bzflag Chikorita (~462008fc@rw08.de) |
| 20:41.35 | bryjen | hmm Chik uses a cgi:irc in germany? |
| 20:42.21 | brad2901 | strayer.de ? |
| 20:43.01 | bryjen | rw08.de |
| 20:43.09 | brad2901 | oh |
| 20:43.17 | orchid | yes thats strayers I think |
| 20:43.36 | RedBaron2 | i'm using strayers right now.. |
| 20:44.39 | bryjen | hrm. can we be sure that was actually her? |
| 20:45.00 | JeffM2501 | oh she left |
| 20:45.07 | JeffM2501 | I was going to get her new email from her |
| 20:45.10 | JeffM2501 | to verify |
| 20:45.12 | RedBaron2 | seemed to be her to me.. |
| 20:45.35 | JeffM2501 | I allready changed her password |
| 20:45.38 | JeffM2501 | yesterday |
| 20:45.46 | JeffM2501 | and what does doug have to do with bzbb? |
| 20:46.00 | bryjen | what name is she using on the bb? |
| 20:46.08 | JeffM2501 | rc cola |
| 20:46.20 | bryjen | yeah, i gess the chikorese is a good sign ;) |
| 20:46.51 | JeffM2501 | if anyone can get her to send me her new e-mail addy |
| 20:47.56 | RedBaron2 | if i see her i'll let her know |
| 20:49.11 | JeffM2501 | thansk |
| 20:49.44 | RedBaron2 | anytime :) |
| 20:50.38 | Birdie | bryjen: i'm very sure it was her |
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| 20:55.14 | RedBaron2 | yikes, she's back |
| 20:55.17 | RedBaron2 | ;) |
| 20:55.35 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 20:56.04 | RedBaron2 | lol, jeff wants you to contact him, and give him your new addy ;) |
| 20:57.05 | JeffM2501 | it's done |
| 20:57.39 | RedBaron2 | heh, ok |
| 21:02.38 | JeffM2501 | asuming I can get a valid e-mail addy from her |
| 21:03.05 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 21:04.04 | Chikorita | oops |
| 21:04.59 | JeffM2501 | and now nid will be happy that he won't be geting AOL bounce messages anymore :) |
| 21:05.35 | Chikorita | heehe |
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| 21:41.36 | Redsoxfan90 | hey all |
| 21:41.44 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 21:44.24 | brad2901 | hey redsox, howz it going? |
| 21:45.13 | alavista | hmm, is there a way to disable the main view for bzflag so that I only play from the radar screen? |
| 21:45.27 | Redsoxfan90 | its going pretty good |
| 21:45.28 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:45.31 | Redsoxfan90 | im beeing good :) |
| 21:45.38 | brad2901 | oh, shame |
| 21:45.50 | brad2901 | uh oh, bbl |
| 21:45.53 | JeffM2501 | oh hang on I have to go eat |
| 21:46.01 | Redsoxfan90 | jeff what u hear? |
| 21:46.43 | brlcad | he hears difrently |
| 21:47.32 | Redsoxfan90 | private message me and tell me |
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| 21:47.42 | JeffM0000 | I can't I'm not here |
| 21:47.47 | JeffM0000 | I'm "eating" |
| 21:47.58 | brlcad | he eats difrently |
| 21:48.06 | blast007 | Jeff isn't here right now. Please leave a message after the /quit |
| 21:48.37 | Aribeth_away | Dave's not here man! |
| 21:50.22 | orchid | alavista: there were some tweaks to make the radar huge, but no radar only view |
| 21:50.35 | JeffM2501 | there have been a couple of complaints about you redsox |
| 21:51.08 | Redsoxfan90 | private message me please |
| 21:51.18 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 21:51.32 | JeffM2501 | and I saw your picture |
| 21:51.33 | Redsoxfan90 | how ocme? |
| 21:51.34 | JeffM2501 | it was funny |
| 21:51.40 | JeffM2501 | cus why? |
| 21:51.43 | Redsoxfan90 | thats not me |
| 21:51.45 | Redsoxfan90 | thats my brother |
| 21:51.49 | JeffM2501 | sure it sin't |
| 21:51.54 | Redsoxfan90 | ill put my picture up today |
| 21:52.03 | menotume | that's his older brother |
| 21:52.04 | JeffM2501 | does it mater? |
| 21:52.04 | Redsoxfan90 | man people see my website reall quick huh? |
| 21:52.06 | Redsoxfan90 | ? |
| 21:52.07 | alavista | orchid: I see. My laptop warms up when I run bzflag, takes too much processing power so I want to limit it. |
| 21:52.18 | Birdie | he will put up a pic of a bodybuilder:) |
| 21:52.28 | Redsoxfan90 | lol |
| 21:52.29 | Redsoxfan90 | nh |
| 21:52.30 | Redsoxfan90 | nah |
| 21:52.35 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 21:52.42 | JeffM2501 | Redsoxfan90, don't you want to say your going to "eat" and go change to your bot? |
| 21:52.58 | Redsoxfan90 | what? |
| 21:53.17 | JeffM2501 | you know |
| 21:53.29 | JeffM2501 | and change your callsign to be 00 instead of 90 |
| 21:53.37 | alavista | orchid: I would not mind a small radar, as long as what is shown on the main view does not heat up my laptop.. |
| 21:53.39 | Redsoxfan90 | what are u talking about 00 |
| 21:53.57 | JeffM2501 | the complaints about you |
| 21:54.02 | Redsoxfan90 | 00? |
| 21:54.05 | JeffM2501 | 00 |
| 21:54.09 | JeffM2501 | read |
| 21:54.14 | scanline | alavista: no matter what bzflag (or any other game for that matter) is drawing, it will generally use up 100% of your CPU. That's how 3D games almost always work |
| 21:54.16 | Redsoxfan90 | i odnt now wtf ur talking about |
| 21:54.22 | JeffM2501 | I've also seen some very intersting all caps messages with your name in front of them |
| 21:54.31 | Redsoxfan90 | ok? |
| 21:54.32 | orchid | alavista: I'm not sure if it would even help, bzflag like cpu's, what kind of heat are you getting? |
| 21:54.34 | Redsoxfan90 | big woop |
| 21:54.41 | Redsoxfan90 | i had caps on lol |
| 21:54.42 | scanline | alavista: if you make the graphics simpler, it will get a higher frame rate but it will still be running 100% of your CPU |
| 21:54.44 | JeffM2501 | must be your borther |
| 21:55.00 | Redsoxfan90 | i can right in caps doesnt have no rule about that |
| 21:55.12 | scanline | alavista: look for a solution to your laptop's problem elsewhere- maybe windows or your BIOS has power managment options that can limit the CPU speed |
| 21:55.33 | JeffM2501 | bzflag will allways try to run as fast as it can |
| 21:55.34 | JeffM2501 | it's game |
| 21:55.39 | JeffM2501 | that's what games DO :) |
| 21:55.40 | scanline | that's what I just said :P |
| 21:55.45 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 21:55.45 | orchid | its like lola |
| 21:55.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm backing you up man :) |
| 21:55.52 | scanline | oh, ok |
| 21:55.59 | JeffM2501 | we tight |
| 21:56.02 | scanline | yo! |
| 21:56.07 | Aribeth | bzglag = game = 100% cpu usage |
| 21:56.09 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:56.14 | scanline | bam! |
| 21:56.22 | Aribeth | get used to it |
| 21:56.26 | Aribeth | :) |
| 21:56.29 | JeffM2501 | booya! |
| 21:56.34 | scanline | kersplodie! |
| 21:56.40 | Redsoxfan90 | im out bye |
| 21:56.46 | spldart | heh |
| 21:56.51 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/playersearch.php?callsign=redsox |
| 21:56.52 | alavista | it looks I have to force the CPU priority to LOW speed... |
| 21:57.08 | menotume | does VSYNC make it take less CPU 'power' ? |
| 21:57.16 | blast007 | alavista: that should still use 100%, but it will free up power to other applications more readily |
| 21:57.17 | JeffM2501 | that's a LOT of redsox fans |
| 21:57.26 | Birdie | lol! |
| 21:57.30 | Aribeth | still prolly gona have 100% cpu |
| 21:57.33 | JeffM2501 | wonder where they came from |
| 21:57.34 | blast007 | Vsync would limit it to your refresh rate |
| 21:57.35 | scanline | menotume: depends |
| 21:57.41 | Redsoxfan90 | your point |
| 21:57.49 | JeffM2501 | in the top of my head |
| 21:57.49 | Redsoxfan90 | i can do what ever i want on my sevrer i can put bots in |
| 21:57.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:57.59 | scanline | menotume: if it's already running way faster than your refresh, that will slow it down- but depending on how it's implemented it might not actually save you any power |
| 21:58.08 | menotume | ahhh |
| 21:58.08 | JeffM2501 | but not all of those are on your server |
| 21:58.13 | JeffM2501 | must be your brother |
| 21:58.15 | Redsoxfan90 | http://my.bzflag.org/playersearch.php?callsign=bots |
| 21:58.23 | Redsoxfan90 | yes they are |
| 21:58.24 | orchid | I always get redsoxfan90000000000 and redsoxfan9000000000 mixed up |
| 21:58.30 | menotume | lol |
| 21:58.36 | JeffM2501 | REDSOXFAN90 IS BACK BITCHES! |
| 21:58.40 | JeffM2501 | that's not on your server |
| 21:58.44 | JeffM2501 | nice name too |
| 21:58.47 | Aribeth | lol |
| 21:58.49 | Redsoxfan90 | not me |
| 21:58.53 | Redsoxfan90 | u can even check the logs for that one |
| 21:58.54 | JeffM2501 | your brother? |
| 21:58.56 | Redsoxfan90 | i dont caare |
| 21:59.01 | Redsoxfan90 | check the logs u idiot not me |
| 21:59.03 | orchid | what is a redsock anyway? |
| 21:59.05 | Redsoxfan90 | im banned there! |
| 21:59.15 | JeffM2501 | your baned in many places |
| 21:59.16 | blast007 | heh... |
| 21:59.30 | JeffM2501 | orchid, when you don't wash them for a REALY long time |
| 21:59.36 | JeffM2501 | they get kinda funcky |
| 21:59.39 | Redsoxfan90 | http://my.bzflag.org/playersearch.php?callsign=brad2901 |
| 21:59.40 | bryjen | cosmos pasted the ip for the B*CHES one the other day. it was german |
| 21:59.44 | orchid | pheeewey |
| 21:59.52 | Redsoxfan90 | haha i told u it wasnt me! |
| 21:59.55 | Redsoxfan90 | who was it? |
| 22:00.08 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:00.14 | JeffM2501 | whopty do |
| 22:00.21 | creeperz | 58386 other ones to check... |
| 22:00.40 | Redsoxfan90 | whats that person reagular call sighn? |
| 22:00.46 | JeffM2501 | heard you've been having fun on the leauge boards too |
| 22:00.58 | Redsoxfan90 | league boards?what? |
| 22:00.58 | JeffM2501 | Redsoxfan90, no way to know |
| 22:01.11 | Redsoxfan90 | im banned at league boards my god |
| 22:01.11 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/league |
| 22:01.19 | Redsoxfan90 | dude im banned there cant get in |
| 22:01.26 | creeperz | lol |
| 22:01.26 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:01.34 | blast007 | wow, banned on a lot of things.... |
| 22:01.45 | menotume | not banned at /league |
| 22:01.46 | Redsoxfan90 | i changed so it dont mean crap to me |
| 22:01.46 | *** join/#bzflag uso_ (proxy@gate.ibr.ch) |
| 22:01.53 | creeperz | omg, laughing too hard to breath |
| 22:02.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:02.18 | creeperz | ouch |
| 22:02.24 | creeperz | sides hurt |
| 22:02.31 | JeffM2501 | thanks for sharing |
| 22:02.50 | Redsoxfan90 | wait i iant banned at my.bzflag.org/league |
| 22:02.52 | creeperz | Aribeth: Grape flavored? |
| 22:02.56 | Redsoxfan90 | i dont even talk on that forums |
| 22:03.00 | uso_ | hi |
| 22:03.02 | Redsoxfan90 | i said one thing like 2 months ago it was |
| 22:03.04 | Aribeth | soap opra |
| 22:03.09 | Redsoxfan90 | about hte olympics for bzflag |
| 22:03.09 | Aribeth | :) |
| 22:03.10 | creeperz | oh :-) |
| 22:03.21 | bryjen | ~spell opra |
| 22:03.22 | JeffM2501 | hte? |
| 22:03.25 | creeperz | opera |
| 22:03.33 | creeperz | Oprah :-P |
| 22:03.48 | Aribeth | oh well, i never could spell |
| 22:03.53 | Aribeth | :P |
| 22:04.09 | creeperz | i have soem speeling truobels tii |
| 22:04.20 | Redsoxfan90 | hahha im looking at the forums jah master syas hes gonna be a bzflag devolper for 10 days for a million dollars! |
| 22:04.31 | Redsoxfan90 | Me Master Jah is going to be the new owner of bzflag or developer becuase my dad will soon invest 100,000 dollars a day!!!! 1 million i just 10 days! |
| 22:04.35 | JeffM2501 | wern't you going to be a dev too |
| 22:04.42 | JeffM2501 | talk to your good friend tim? |
| 22:05.04 | uso_ | a question to the win gurus: if i try to run my compiled bzflag from within the vc-ide it bothers me i'm not in the debug group |
| 22:05.16 | uso_ | but i'm in the debug group, any hints? |
| 22:05.19 | JeffM2501 | the premade ones are not debug |
| 22:05.23 | Redsoxfan90 | oh yes,i just emaield ihm recently |
| 22:05.25 | JeffM2501 | they don't have debug info |
| 22:05.41 | uso_ | i have it just compiled from the sources |
| 22:05.41 | JeffM2501 | to get a debug build you'd have to build as "DEBUG" |
| 22:05.50 | JeffM2501 | did you do release or debug build? |
| 22:05.56 | uso_ | it is build as Debug|Win32 |
| 22:06.08 | JeffM2501 | then it dosn't think it's running a debug binary |
| 22:06.20 | JeffM2501 | what binary are you have set as your debug exe? |
| 22:06.22 | blast007 | "debug group" |
| 22:06.30 | JeffM2501 | Redsoxfan90, cool what are you goning to do for the project? |
| 22:06.54 | Redsoxfan90 | when i emailed ihm it wasnt about that |
| 22:07.02 | Redsoxfan90 | was other businnes that needed to be taken care off |
| 22:07.04 | Redsoxfan90 | but im gone |
| 22:07.06 | Redsoxfan90 | by all! |
| 22:07.22 | JeffM2501 | gee I wonder what that bis could have been |
| 22:07.40 | uso_ | JeffM2501: where do i set the debug binary? |
| 22:07.46 | JeffM2501 | what VC are you in? |
| 22:07.50 | JeffM2501 | 6 or 7.1? |
| 22:07.50 | uso_ | 7.1 |
| 22:07.51 | blast007 | maybe he'll make a spell checker for bzflag...jk |
| 22:07.58 | JeffM2501 | right click on the bzflag project |
| 22:08.01 | JeffM2501 | go to properies |
| 22:08.05 | creeperz | blast007: LOL!! |
| 22:08.06 | Aribeth | ROFLMAO |
| 22:08.11 | JeffM2501 | find the debug item |
| 22:08.17 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:08.50 | Aribeth | this is better than watching the soaps on tv |
| 22:08.55 | JeffM2501 | it should let you pick the the binary to yuse |
| 22:09.08 | JeffM2501 | pick the one that the build put in the root folder |
| 22:09.18 | JeffM2501 | and also choose that root folder as the working dir |
| 22:09.21 | JeffM2501 | then you should be fine |
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| 22:10.12 | blast007 | uso_: are you talking about the user group called "Debugger Users" that Visual Studio creates? |
| 22:10.50 | blast007 | "Debugger Users are non administrators who are allowed to use Visual Studio to debug processes,..." |
| 22:12.11 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:12.18 | JeffM2501 | are you a limited user on the system? |
| 22:14.18 | uso_ | JeffM2501: all settings were already set |
| 22:14.28 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 22:14.35 | JeffM2501 | are you a limited user? |
| 22:14.42 | JeffM2501 | or set as an administrator |
| 22:14.49 | uso_ | have solved it, i had added me to the debuger user group, but probably on the wrong place |
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| 22:15.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 22:15.13 | uso_ | limited, this was the problem, debugging has worked as admin |
| 22:15.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah you need to have perms |
| 22:15.47 | JeffM2501 | never seen anyone dev as not the admin |
| 22:16.41 | uso_ | that's where the disease of windows apps come frome ;) |
| 22:17.13 | uso_ | ... often not to run with normal user privs |
| 22:18.07 | JeffM2501 | well when developing your often dealing with the system at a very low level |
| 22:18.13 | JeffM2501 | when debuging |
| 22:18.21 | JeffM2501 | you test in limited sure |
| 22:18.25 | JeffM2501 | but you dev as admin |
| 22:18.58 | uso_ | maybe i also end up there :) |
| 22:19.10 | uso_ | was my first compilation under windows |
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| 22:19.45 | uso_ | vc has no cvs support, hasn't it? |
| 22:22.24 | blast007 | uso_: I use Tortoise CVS, and I love it...and I also use WinMerge for doing merges and diffs |
| 22:22.53 | blast007 | Tortoise integrates into explorer, so it's really easy to use |
| 22:23.43 | JeffM2501 | there is a tort CVS for VC too |
| 22:23.46 | JeffM2501 | it's a plugin |
| 22:23.50 | JeffM2501 | but the xplorer one is better |
| 22:23.53 | blast007 | ah, cool |
| 22:24.02 | JeffM2501 | last I used it it was a bit "iffy" |
| 22:29.06 | uso_ | has the testing version of tortoise any significant advantages over the stable release? |
| 22:29.12 | uso_ | changelog is a bit long ... |
| 22:31.18 | JeffM2501 | stable shuld be fine |
| 22:31.24 | JeffM2501 | but then so should testing |
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| 22:36.27 | bryjen | what's port 22 normally? |
| 22:36.36 | uso_ | ssh |
| 22:36.48 | bryjen | ah, that's why it look familiar |
| 22:36.53 | uso_ | :) |
| 22:38.01 | Tupone | alavista: what OS? |
| 22:38.12 | Tupone | and what video board? |
| 22:41.00 | uso_ | sigh, restart for a cvs utility |
| 22:42.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus it puts it in the shell |
| 22:42.36 | JeffM2501 | and shell loads at launch |
| 22:43.12 | JeffM2501 | it's worth the restart tho |
| 22:43.36 | Tupone | about the VSYNC, on nvidia, new version, linux, it effectively free up CPU if bzflag is faster then screen |
| 22:43.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm even wishing that they had a CVS client like it for linux and OSX |
| 22:44.03 | JeffM2501 | vsync is good |
| 22:44.23 | spldart | bye all. I might pop back on and ask some stupid questions again when I get home ;) |
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| 22:44.33 | JeffM2501 | best of luck |
| 22:44.38 | JeffM2501 | vitory or death! |
| 22:44.39 | Tupone | well, before it did a busy waiting on linux :( |
| 22:44.51 | JeffM2501 | I hate busy waiting |
| 22:45.02 | JeffM2501 | it throws off my groove |
| 22:45.06 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:46.19 | uso_ | Tupone: but for me bzflag gets a little bit sluggish with vsync, as it seems to wait until the next frame before reacting |
| 22:46.47 | Tupone | yeah, that is, it is waiting for next frame |
| 22:47.37 | Tupone | normally it wait until retrace, switch buffer and release |
| 22:48.35 | uso_ | should send control events (to the server) independently of video output |
| 22:51.20 | uso_ | sourceforge does not have anonymous cvs access over ssh? |
| 22:51.34 | uso_ | maybe i have asked this before, but forgot it ;( |
| 22:51.39 | JeffM2501 | uso_ no it does not |
| 22:51.42 | JeffM2501 | it's pserver |
| 22:51.55 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not multi threaded, so yes it waits |
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| 22:53.47 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 22:53.49 | uso_ | hmm, have only https access here ... tunneling through home pc |
| 22:54.31 | JeffM2501 | dono what port pserver is over |
| 22:55.07 | uso_ | 2401 |
| 22:55.31 | blast007 | ~port 2401 |
| 22:55.32 | ibot | from memory, port 2401 is cvspserver - cvspserver |
| 22:56.28 | uso_ | does there anywhere exist a list of these bot commands? |
| 22:56.28 | JeffM2501 | ibot help |
| 22:56.29 | uso_ | other than in someones brain ;) |
| 22:56.35 | JeffM2501 | in ibot |
| 22:56.39 | JeffM2501 | ask it |
| 22:56.42 | JeffM2501 | it will tell you |
| 22:56.57 | JeffM2501 | it's also in the blootbot/infobot docs |
| 22:57.13 | uso_ | wow, nice |
| 22:57.37 | JeffM2501 | all these bots are other projects |
| 22:57.41 | JeffM2501 | so they have docs and help systems |
| 22:57.48 | JeffM2501 | none are custom for us |
| 22:59.20 | uso_ | but seems not to be complete, missing at least "port" |
| 22:59.38 | JeffM2501 | could be a mod |
| 22:59.49 | JeffM2501 | could be that it jsut maped it to the unix shell command |
| 22:59.57 | JeffM2501 | or could be a sub command off one of those main topics |
| 23:00.02 | JeffM2501 | don't recall |
| 23:00.16 | JeffM2501 | like guu, has main commands and sub commands |
| 23:00.17 | uso_ | anybody knows if i can access pserver directly over https? |
| 23:00.45 | JeffM2501 | there isn't a CVS server listening on SF on the HTTPS port |
| 23:00.55 | JeffM2501 | you could use the web interface |
| 23:01.00 | JeffM2501 | but that would be a pain |
| 23:01.08 | JeffM2501 | you could not get all the files in once shot |
| 23:01.32 | uso_ | than i better relay it over ssh and my home pc |
| 23:02.00 | uso_ | i can tunnel ssh through https |
| 23:02.24 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats your boat :) |
| 23:02.47 | uso_ | thanks anyway :) |
| 23:03.23 | JeffM2501 | can't open up the pserver port tehre? |
| 23:04.31 | uso_ | we have no route to inet here, only an application gateway |
| 23:04.51 | uso_ | which simply is a squid proxy |
| 23:05.34 | uso_ | no direct routing, not even nat |
| 23:06.44 | uso_ | and i dont know a cvs client which directly can tunnel through https |
| 23:06.59 | uso_ | to access a pserver |
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| 23:17.21 | Pimpinella | uso_: still in need of a co? |
| 23:21.44 | uso_ | yes, cannot access forwarded ssh port from the windows host :( |
| 23:23.02 | uso_ | where does tortoise try to put the files locally, i.e. how do i set the local cvs root dir? |
| 23:26.17 | uso_ | too simple ... damn, i'm still a noob on win* :) |
| 23:29.13 | uso_ | Pimpinella: it's running now, but sloooooowwwwwww |
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| 23:33.22 | JeffM2501 | uso_ where ever you want |
| 23:33.57 | JeffM2501 | it's a very not unix way of looking at CVS |
| 23:33.59 | JeffM2501 | I like it a lot |
| 23:34.58 | JeffM2501 | sonds like your locked down wicked tight :) |
| 23:35.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah the icons make it realy easy to see what you've changed |
| 23:35.11 | JeffM2501 | what is conficted |
| 23:35.34 | JeffM2501 | what I like most about it, is I don't have to learn a new file management system just for CVS, it works with the one I allready know for the OS |
| 23:35.45 | JeffM2501 | right click on any file, get a CVS Diff |
| 23:35.50 | JeffM2501 | it just makes so much sense |
| 23:36.55 | uso_ | i still have to learn a lot with these clicks |
| 23:38.15 | JeffM2501 | there is much clicking |
| 23:39.12 | uso_ | there's no need for an autogen analogy on windows? not even for the cvs version? |
| 23:39.25 | JeffM2501 | autogen? |
| 23:39.28 | JeffM2501 | what does that do? |
| 23:39.51 | uso_ | generation input files for configure |
| 23:40.00 | JeffM2501 | there is no configure |
| 23:40.07 | JeffM2501 | the VC project knows what it needs |
| 23:40.14 | uso_ | i knwo it as i wrote it ;) |
| 23:40.15 | JeffM2501 | and VC knows where to get it |
| 23:40.36 | uso_ | knew |
| 23:40.43 | JeffM2501 | on nix the configure has all the options for the current system |
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| 23:40.48 | JeffM2501 | it writes out config.h |
| 23:40.55 | JeffM2501 | we made our config.h for windows be smart |
| 23:40.59 | JeffM2501 | but it is seperate |
| 23:41.10 | JeffM2501 | it sets the defines based on the VC defs |
| 23:41.26 | JeffM2501 | thatnkfully VC only runs on windows, so there arn't that many dyamic options |
| 23:41.33 | uso_ | and you need it for each build system on windows |
| 23:41.35 | JeffM2501 | mostly just the stuff that changes with versions |
| 23:41.47 | JeffM2501 | mingw uses the nix config |
| 23:41.55 | JeffM2501 | devc++ has it's own |
| 23:42.00 | uso_ | ah |
| 23:42.20 | JeffM2501 | devC++ is not considerd a "real" project tho |
| 23:42.30 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly there so there is a free IDE solution |
| 23:42.47 | JeffM2501 | for hobbyists and those who want to apply a patch |
| 23:42.53 | JeffM2501 | not for somone doing active dev |
| 23:43.11 | JeffM2501 | devC++ dosn't even support multi project workspaces |
| 23:43.44 | JeffM2501 | whereen the VC workspeace supports projects that can even span languages |
| 23:44.12 | JeffM2501 | techincaly we could all switch to scons |
| 23:44.28 | JeffM2501 | then it would be one build system that could make builds on any OS/compiler |
| 23:44.39 | uso_ | scons? |
| 23:44.40 | JeffM2501 | but it's kinda least common denomenator ( command line ) |
| 23:44.45 | JeffM2501 | and we'd loose the VC IDE |
| 23:45.04 | JeffM2501 | unless they have changed it to generate workspaces |
| 23:45.08 | JeffM2501 | it's a python build system |
| 23:45.12 | JeffM2501 | it's very flexable |
| 23:45.16 | JeffM2501 | it replaces make |
| 23:45.26 | JeffM2501 | on windows it can even call the VC compiler |
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| 23:45.39 | uso_ | wow, never heard of it before |
| 23:45.44 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda newish |
| 23:45.57 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't ship with all 'nixes |
| 23:46.07 | JeffM2501 | and has some python version requirements |
| 23:46.09 | uso_ | have it on debian |
| 23:46.15 | uso_ | Description: A replacement for Make |
| 23:46.22 | JeffM2501 | the currnet thinking is that everyone has make |
| 23:46.33 | JeffM2501 | so it's easyer to build with make for the nixes |
| 23:46.39 | JeffM2501 | us windows devs don't realy care |
| 23:46.45 | JeffM2501 | cus we don't use make |
| 23:46.53 | JeffM2501 | and I would not use scons |
| 23:47.01 | JeffM2501 | cus then I'd have to command line build |
| 23:47.10 | uso_ | it's somewhat of a least common dominator |
| 23:47.13 | JeffM2501 | and I'd loose my ease of working |
| 23:47.31 | JeffM2501 | if you get into it the VC IDE can be very nice to use |
| 23:47.47 | JeffM2501 | very fluid going from edit->compile->debug->reedit |
| 23:48.06 | JeffM2501 | a lot of comand line people don't get it tho |
| 23:48.09 | JeffM2501 | they have there own systems |
| 23:48.16 | JeffM2501 | using emacs, shell, etc... |
| 23:48.37 | uso_ | i probably have to in the near future |
| 23:48.57 | JeffM2501 | VC71 even has a command line shell :) |
| 23:48.59 | uso_ | may i use libcurl for winxp from sf? |
| 23:49.18 | JeffM2501 | they have one? |
| 23:49.29 | JeffM2501 | last time I built I made my own |
| 23:49.35 | JeffM2501 | at home I have an older binary |
| 23:49.37 | uso_ | at least there is a project curl and libcurl |
| 23:49.44 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl work |
| 23:49.45 | uso_ | from whrer do you get it? |
| 23:49.48 | JeffM2501 | how ever you get it |
| 23:49.55 | JeffM2501 | from some site |
| 23:50.02 | uso_ | :) |
| 23:50.04 | JeffM2501 | had a non ssl dev binary |
| 23:50.11 | JeffM2501 | with headers, lib, and a DLL |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM2501 | since that's all you need |
| 23:50.35 | uso_ | oops, yes, that's what i need too |
| 23:50.42 | uso_ | vc need this to compile |
| 23:50.52 | JeffM2501 | IIRC I just did a google search for it |
| 23:51.38 | JeffM2501 | http://curl.haxx.se/latest.cgi?curl=win32-devel-msvc |
| 23:51.47 | JeffM2501 | that's the non SSL kit |
