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| 00:07.22 | wegstar | ~seen lan56 |
| 00:07.23 | ibot | lan56 <lan56@h-68-164-235-233.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 14h 23m 41s ago, saying: 'well, if its free rent I can deal with that'. |
| 00:20.33 | wegstar | Did lan56 update the Dev-C++ project file? |
| 00:22.22 | wegstar | apparently he did, but the nonexistant "-lcurldll" is still there... |
| 00:24.16 | tsukasa | anyone know how to make bzflag use oss? looks like it's impossible to make my card us alsa |
| 00:24.44 | wegstar | hmm... no ares stuff too :( |
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| 00:30.30 | a1abubba | can anyone tell me why i keep getting kicked with a message that my end isn't using udp? in my setup, i have udp on |
| 00:31.25 | wegstar | hmm.. which server? |
| 00:31.50 | a1abubba | hepcat for one |
| 00:32.01 | wegstar | oh |
| 00:38.42 | JBdiGriz | Is it every time, or just occasionally? |
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| 00:49.54 | rabbit25 | how do you start an IRC channel? |
| 00:51.09 | blast007 | just join it, and optionally register it with chanserv |
| 00:52.03 | wegstar | didn't lan56 say that he had updated devc++ project files in the forums? |
| 00:52.21 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 00:52.30 | rabbit25 | how do you register it w/ chanserv? |
| 00:52.46 | wegstar | '/chanserv help' |
| 00:52.52 | wegstar | then you'll know :) |
| 00:53.43 | wegstar | '/chanserv register #<your_channel> <password>' |
| 00:53.49 | wegstar | I believe... |
| 00:54.03 | cosmos | Prosecutors are investigating the death of a man who was subdued by several fellow airline passengers after he became disruptive on a New York-bound flight, a spokesman said Sunday. Both his eyes had been carved out with a kitchen utensil |
| 00:54.04 | cosmos | and he had multiple skull fractures according to preliminary autopsy reports. |
| 00:54.32 | wegstar | heh... |
| 00:55.37 | wegstar | they probably thought he was a terrorist... :) |
| 00:55.43 | cosmos | I like the preacher in a florida parochial school using dolls and photos of arab children to show "which ones" God had commanded his faithful to kill |
| 00:56.09 | wegstar | haha |
| 00:56.20 | rabbit25 | >:-9 |
| 00:56.27 | wegstar | *sigh* People these days... |
| 00:56.30 | rabbit25 | >:-( |
| 00:57.09 | cosmos | Cant wait to see which zealot replaces Bush in the next election |
| 00:57.29 | wegstar | "Ind. pet store owner says Satan's image on turtle shell" :P |
| 00:57.29 | cosmos | We might as well crown them American Pope |
| 00:57.55 | wegstar | "Dora says he can see a goatee and a pair of pointy horns on the shell of the palm-sized red-eared slider turtle named Lucky." |
| 00:58.00 | cosmos | someone needs to nail the new 95 theses on the White House door |
| 00:58.10 | wegstar | err... |
| 00:59.29 | cosmos | i even had a bz player tell me my server was a den of sin and i should be ashamed |
| 01:00.29 | wegstar | :O |
| 01:00.51 | cosmos | probably not so bad now that half the players are muted until they register |
| 01:01.16 | wegstar | heh... I expect similar things on the forums soon :P |
| 01:01.38 | cosmos | whats that religious stuiff? |
| 01:02.10 | wegstar | ? |
| 01:02.30 | cosmos | similar things? |
| 01:03.07 | wegstar | like.. umm |
| 01:03.38 | wegstar | threats of damnation to server owners... ? |
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| 01:04.21 | cosmos | oh heh |
| 01:04.33 | cosmos | well all the racist spamming and stuff stopped |
| 01:04.38 | cosmos | so the register mute is a good thing |
| 01:04.46 | wegstar | yep |
| 01:06.03 | wegstar | yes.. lan56 is here :) |
| 01:06.44 | wegstar | lan56: hello? |
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| 01:09.09 | lan56 | wegstar: hello, btw :) got disconnected for a sec |
| 01:09.16 | wegstar | oh |
| 01:09.44 | wegstar | anyway, about dev-c++, "-lcurldll" does not exist... |
| 01:11.12 | lan56 | it should have been included in your curl package with the curl library file, but I will take that line out anyway right now as I think it was just me having a problem then |
| 01:11.44 | wegstar | everything worked fine when I removed it... |
| 01:13.02 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): curldll doesnt exist |
| 01:13.03 | lan56 | then it was just me; that commit removes it, thanks for the tip |
| 01:13.35 | wegstar | also.. um.. c-ares stuff isn't in the project... |
| 01:14.27 | lan56 | then whats it for? |
| 01:14.50 | wegstar | err... ask one of the other devs.. you missed a lot :) |
| 01:15.11 | bzflagwiz | I think c-ares replaced adns |
| 01:15.20 | wegstar | yeah... |
| 01:15.46 | lan56 | wegstar: you mean that the c-ares stuff isn't in the project, or it is but it shouldn't be? |
| 01:15.58 | wegstar | it is suppose to be... |
| 01:16.01 | lan56 | if it isn't, I am updating them right now |
| 01:16.02 | lan56 | ahh |
| 01:17.49 | wegstar | "adnshandler.cxx" or something similar dissapeared... |
| 01:17.50 | wegstar | ow |
| 01:17.52 | wegstar | :) |
| 01:19.20 | lan56 | updating right now |
| 01:23.02 | lan56 | wegstar: thanks for those two tips, I always appreciate help and suggestions |
| 01:23.12 | wegstar | ok... np :) |
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| 01:30.58 | sgk284 | anyone use bzflag on x86_64 ? |
| 01:31.19 | DTRemenak_lap | sgk284: Tupone does, iirc |
| 01:31.39 | wegstar | DTRemenak_lap?? |
| 01:31.40 | sgk284 | k |
| 01:31.53 | sgk284 | the fedora crew is having trouble building it i think :/ |
| 01:31.55 | DTRemenak_lap | wegstar?? |
| 01:32.04 | wegstar | lap? |
| 01:32.09 | sgk284 | for fc4 |
| 01:32.13 | DTRemenak_lap | sgk284: tell them to send someone the build logs |
| 01:32.21 | sgk284 | k |
| 01:32.22 | DTRemenak_lap | or post a bug |
| 01:32.27 | DTRemenak_lap | or patch it themselves :P |
| 01:32.42 | sgk284 | i think thats what they are gonna do judging from the convo :) |
| 01:32.45 | DTRemenak_lap | wegstar: lap, like lap top |
| 01:32.49 | lan56 | wegstar: did the BZFS build work fine without the -lcurldll? |
| 01:32.55 | wegstar | oh.. |
| 01:32.57 | wegstar | yes |
| 01:33.06 | DTRemenak_lap | wegstar: or lap dance |
| 01:33.10 | wegstar | :) |
| 01:33.17 | lan56 | wegstar: thanks, then its just me getting link errors |
| 01:33.25 | wegstar | oh... hmm |
| 01:33.42 | sgk284 | lan56, was yourbuild linking bind and not working? |
| 01:34.23 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): update; fix linker errors |
| 01:34.45 | lan56 | sgk284, it works now so no |
| 01:36.45 | sgk284 | k |
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| 01:50.33 | spldart | Hi all |
| 01:52.15 | wegstar | hi spldart |
| 01:53.29 | spldart | I was hoping to change the map server over to the new 2.0.2 build but my entire weekend got sucked up :( |
| 01:56.09 | spldart | Friday afternoon: Left work early and finally bought a new car. Saturday: Birthday for eldest daughter then to the range for target practice. Sunday: Went to gun show and bought a few things then helped family square away an elderly relative in an assisted living community. :eek: |
| 01:57.47 | spldart | I didn't even get to work on my Kawasaki :( |
| 01:58.13 | wegstar | wow... busy :) |
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| 02:01.41 | orchid | hmm, I read that wrong spldart |
| 02:01.58 | orchid | "gun..squared away elderlay relative" |
| 02:05.45 | spldart | lol... Gotta new silly knife too |
| 02:05.52 | spldart | http://67.10.210.195:91/knife1.jpg |
| 02:05.56 | spldart | http://67.10.210.195:91/knife2.jpg |
| 02:06.07 | spldart | I know... My digi cam suxorz |
| 02:07.28 | spldart | I have noticed that the new 2.0.2 bzflag seems even less tolerant of ati multimedia center though :( |
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| 02:08.09 | wegstar | bbl :) |
| 02:08.16 | spldart | k |
| 02:09.29 | uso | anyone has got ati drivers running with linux kernel 2.6.11? |
| 02:10.25 | orchid | Happy birthday Chestal! |
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| 02:34.16 | cosmos | how old is chestal |
| 02:36.29 | orchid | ancient :-) |
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| 02:37.37 | spldart | hehehe |
| 02:37.49 | cosmos | all of us over 30 are classified ancient by todays youth! |
| 02:37.53 | cosmos | is he over 50? |
| 02:38.26 | orchid | hes in his 30's |
| 02:38.37 | cosmos | that is not ancient heh |
| 02:38.48 | spldart | LOL. Yes... 30's is ancient. |
| 02:38.52 | spldart | For the internet |
| 02:38.59 | spldart | I'm closer to 40 than 30 :( |
| 02:39.43 | cosmos | in 1993 the average age of an internet user was 35, today its 15 |
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| 02:40.17 | spldart | I started in the 90's :/ |
| 02:56.58 | spldart | Bye all ;) |
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| 04:38.05 | jpa_ | ~weather eftu |
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| 04:38.39 | LEGOManiac | ~bzfquery legoland.no-ip.org:5255 |
| 04:39.21 | wegstar | ~weather KSFO |
| 04:41.15 | jpa_ | morning wegstar |
| 04:41.29 | wegstar | morning :) |
| 04:41.53 | wegstar | 8:44 PM PST, here :) |
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| 04:42.00 | wegstar | heh.. that took some time :) |
| 04:42.31 | wegstar | LEGOManiac: ibot:could not connect to legoland.no-ip.org:5255 |
| 04:43.21 | jpa_ | hmm hmm.. my mobile phone is broken :/ |
| 04:43.50 | jpa_ | it can make only one sound ; everything sounds like *priiiiiip* |
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| 04:44.22 | LEGOManiac | ~bzfquery legoland.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 04:45.24 | wegstar | LEGOManiac: need help? |
| 04:45.39 | LEGOManiac | yes |
| 04:45.52 | wegstar | what OS? |
| 04:46.00 | LEGOManiac | I'm trying to activate a bot to test my firewall settings on my server (XP, btw) |
| 04:46.07 | wegstar | oh |
| 04:46.19 | wegstar | are you behind a router? |
| 04:46.41 | LEGOManiac | I can connect to my external IP of my host, but I can't connect to external of the firewall. |
| 04:46.58 | wegstar | umm |
| 04:47.16 | LEGOManiac | I've got port 5154 open to both UDP and TCP and mapped the the appropriate host |
| 04:47.26 | wegstar | yeah... |
| 04:48.01 | wegstar | external IP of your host? |
| 04:48.35 | LEGOManiac | 192.168.2.100, obviously non-routable. The external URL is legoland.no-ip.org |
| 04:48.39 | wegstar | ah |
| 04:48.50 | wegstar | are you behind a router? |
| 04:48.55 | wegstar | well... |
| 04:49.06 | wegstar | did you forward 5154? |
| 04:49.41 | LEGOManiac | Yes, it's mapped from 5154 external to 5154 internal |
| 04:49.47 | wegstar | hmm |
| 04:49.52 | jpa_ | do you have a server running? :) |
| 04:50.20 | LEGOManiac | I've just moved it to the DMZ and opened it up completely (and yes the server is running, I have a client running around in it now) |
| 04:50.31 | wegstar | you can connect to your server through 192.168.2.100? |
| 04:50.48 | wegstar | but not your external IP address |
| 04:50.58 | wegstar | err... legoland.no-ip.org |
| 04:51.46 | LEGOManiac | yes. Can't connect to the external IP either. I just put it on the DMZ side of the firewall and I still can't connect. |
| 04:52.11 | wegstar | hmm |
| 04:52.18 | LEGOManiac | It could very well be the SMC router. I've never used it to host a server available to the outside world, so I don't know for sure |
| 04:52.24 | LEGOManiac | that it even works properly |
| 04:52.47 | wegstar | hmm |
| 04:53.16 | wegstar | you "mapped" the ports... |
| 04:53.59 | wegstar | have you done anything with ports on your router? |
| 04:54.25 | LEGOManiac | Yes, there's a field where you specify the inbound port number range (5154-5154) and the IP and server port number (192.168.2.100:5154) |
| 04:55.01 | wegstar | ah.. ok |
| 04:55.10 | wegstar | and also the protocol? |
| 04:55.50 | wegstar | hmm..have you updated your ip? |
| 04:57.38 | LEGOManiac | I've got 2 rules - identical - except that one applies to UDP and the other to TCP |
| 04:58.08 | LEGOManiac | I've just disabled the firewall and just left the NAT and port mapping. |
| 04:58.23 | LEGOManiac | ~bzfquery legoland.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 04:59.04 | blast007 | 5154/tcp filtered unknown |
| 04:59.05 | blast007 | 5154/udp open unknown |
| 04:59.55 | sgk284 | ping Nidhoggr |
| 04:59.59 | LEGOManiac | well, that's a different result than I had last time. still no bots in the field though, |
| 05:00.10 | wegstar | ? |
| 05:00.15 | wegstar | result?? |
| 05:00.27 | wegstar | blast007 is a person :) |
| 05:00.42 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:01.15 | blast007 | LEGOManiac: that's the result I got from nmap |
| 05:01.26 | LEGOManiac | Does BZFlag only use 5154, or is it still using 5155 as well? Do I need to set a trigger port to 5155? |
| 05:01.40 | wegstar | err.. you set that in the conf file... |
| 05:01.42 | blast007 | it should use what port you specify |
| 05:01.50 | sgk284 | is 0 a valid slot number? |
| 05:01.56 | sgk284 | i thought that was the server |
| 05:02.01 | LEGOManiac | what result did you get from nmap? that 5154/udp is open? |
| 05:02.08 | blast007 | yep |
| 05:02.26 | sgk284 | blast007, was that to me? |
| 05:02.33 | blast007 | no ;) |
| 05:03.47 | LEGOManiac | hmmm if 5154 UDP is open, what else needs to happen in order to connect? |
| 05:03.59 | blast007 | TCP |
| 05:04.08 | wegstar | well.. yeah |
| 05:04.10 | blast007 | LEGOManiac: is it forwarded to the correct IP? |
| 05:05.07 | wegstar | Have you updated your exterbal address to no-ip.org? |
| 05:05.15 | wegstar | external* |
| 05:05.48 | LEGOManiac | It is forwarded to the correct IP. I just noticed that windows fireall was turned on, although I had a rule in there too that would have allowed bzfs. |
| 05:06.08 | blast007 | ~nslookup legoland.no-ip.org |
| 05:06.25 | LEGOManiac | come to think of it, that would have stopped me from connecting to the external of the BZFS so that wasn't the problem anyway. |
| 05:06.27 | blast007 | yup, that's the correct IP...hmmm |
| 05:06.36 | wegstar | well. |
| 05:07.03 | wegstar | yep its on now... |
| 05:07.05 | wegstar | err.. |
| 05:07.19 | wegstar | ~bzfquery 64.299.21.8:5154 |
| 05:07.26 | wegstar | um.. |
| 05:07.28 | blast007 | nmap shows it's open now |
| 05:07.32 | wegstar | well the port is open.. |
| 05:08.11 | wegstar | just run the server... :) |
| 05:08.36 | LEGOManiac | there was a firewall setting for "special applications" so I've enabled the IP/port/protocol combo on that now. let's see... |
| 05:08.42 | LEGOManiac | ~bzfquery legoland.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 05:08.49 | wegstar | ... |
| 05:08.58 | blast007 | is the server currently running? |
| 05:09.08 | wegstar | hmm its closed.. :? |
| 05:09.20 | LEGOManiac | I'm driving around in the map as we speak |
| 05:09.30 | wegstar | err... |
| 05:09.35 | blast007 | hmm |
| 05:10.40 | LEGOManiac | I'll have to borrow a SonicWall from work and try it instead. I don't know about this SMC thingy. It's more a toy than a serious firewall |
| 05:10.59 | wegstar | I don't see it on the server list... |
| 05:11.04 | LEGOManiac | and I don't have the confidence that it actually works in this type of circumstance |
| 05:11.09 | wegstar | and the port seems to be clised now.. |
| 05:11.15 | wegstar | oh well |
| 05:11.29 | LEGOManiac | I didn't put it on the list servers. I'm just experimenting at this stage. |
| 05:11.36 | wegstar | ah, stupid me |
| 05:11.52 | wegstar | ~whaleslap wegstar |
| 05:11.54 | ibot | ACTION slaps wegstar upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 05:12.00 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:12.02 | wegstar | that's better... |
| 05:12.04 | LEGOManiac | the port is closed? OK, so "special applications" wasn't the place to put it then. I'll go back. |
| 05:12.34 | blast007 | LEGOManiac: is this on XP SP2? |
| 05:13.19 | wegstar | oh.. its open now.. |
| 05:14.47 | LEGOManiac | yes, it's on XPSP2, yes the firewall is enabled, Yes a rule exists allowing BZFS to communicate, yes, I can connect to the server's IP within the network, I just can't connect via the outside of the firewall. |
| 05:14.48 | blast007 | ~bzfquery legoland.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 05:15.25 | wegstar | oh joy.. :) |
| 05:15.57 | LEGOManiac | I've noticed that I had MAC filtering turned on. I would think this would only apply to machines on the internal network, but just in case it's preventing my ISP's router from initiating a connection, I've turned it off. |
| 05:16.12 | LEGOManiac | ~bzfquery legoland.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 05:18.55 | LEGOManiac | I've disabled intrusion detection, in case it was being triggered. Again, this is even less likely, but I'm grasping at straws now... |
| 05:19.02 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:20.00 | LEGOManiac | ~bzfquery legoland.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 05:21.20 | LEGOManiac | Odd that there aren't any connection attempts being recorded in the logs... |
| 05:21.43 | blast007 | are you using -ddd? |
| 05:22.00 | LEGOManiac | I suppose it's always possible that the logs only record blocked attempts. |
| 05:22.01 | blast007 | (debug level 3) |
| 05:22.06 | LEGOManiac | what is -ddd? |
| 05:22.27 | LEGOManiac | you mean in the BZFS configuration? |
| 05:22.31 | blast007 | yep |
| 05:23.04 | LEGOManiac | I don't think so. I saw it but didn't change the defaults. Let me check again... |
| 05:23.35 | blast007 | that would show more messages, like connections and stuff |
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| 05:31.24 | LEGOManiac | hey! I've connected! |
| 05:33.53 | LEGOManiac | ncan anyone else connect to it? |
| 05:34.29 | LEGOManiac | strangely, when I connect to the external, I get kicked on my first shot with the claim that I'm not using UDP, but it's ok if I connect to the internal server interface |
| 05:43.54 | wegstar | ~n |
| 05:43.55 | ibot | [n] the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 05:48.55 | LEGOManiac | has anyone else tried connecting? |
| 06:01.57 | SportChick | Aribeth: ping |
| 06:02.06 | SportChick | Aribeth: now would be a good time to restart the server |
| 06:02.31 | Aribeth | SP, ok will do |
| 06:02.38 | Aribeth | thanks |
| 06:04.36 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 06:04.54 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: not sure if you're around, but if you are, what version server are you running? |
| 06:05.16 | Pimpi | SportChick: it tells you on login |
| 06:11.47 | SportChick | Pimpi: duh! thanks |
| 06:12.27 | SportChick | is there a 2.0.2 server version yet? |
| 06:12.37 | SportChick | secretplace is still running 2.0.1 from february |
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| 06:28.04 | blast007 | SportChick: as of right now, it would probably have to be compiled from the source (the only 2.0.2 binary package is win32) |
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| 06:45.41 | Engelchen | i don't suppose someone might be able to give me an idea: where in the bzflag code might i find some way to buffer the output to the video... slow it down a bit? if that makes sense |
| 06:46.45 | MeBigFatGuy | there is capture and play back if that would help |
| 06:47.22 | Engelchen | no, what i'm looking to do is somehow slow down the display itself... in other words, give the video hardware a chance to clear out its buffers |
| 06:47.24 | MeBigFatGuy | otherwise the drawing loop is in playing.cxx |
| 06:47.33 | Engelchen | ok |
| 06:48.47 | MeBigFatGuy | playingLoop() |
| 06:48.56 | Engelchen | thanks... |
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| 06:57.51 | jpa_ | morning |
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| 17:03.48 | jpa_ | hi people |
| 17:04.37 | jpa_ | hi jpa_ |
| 17:04.43 | jpa_ | hiya :) |
| 17:10.05 | JeffM2501 | issues? |
| 17:12.36 | jpa_ | no, why? |
| 17:13.22 | JeffM2501 | well you are talking to yourself ;) |
| 17:13.27 | Pimpi | there are pretty lonesome areas in finland, soon you start to talk to yourself... |
| 17:13.30 | JeffM2501 | but then I do that too |
| 17:13.33 | JeffM2501 | when working on a problem |
| 17:13.36 | jpa_ | well, that is just because no-one else talks to me |
| 17:14.01 | jpa_ | Pimpi: umm.. are there some other areas in finland too? |
| 17:14.12 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 17:14.16 | JeffM2501 | how large is finland? |
| 17:14.27 | jpa_ | larger than my room |
| 17:14.34 | JeffM2501 | no realy? |
| 17:14.40 | JeffM2501 | I"ve never been to europe |
| 17:14.49 | jpa_ | bounding box is like 1200km x 700km |
| 17:14.58 | JeffM2501 | and I know the projections of the northern and southern lands on maps make them look wierd |
| 17:15.01 | jpa_ | i can check it if you want, but you can check it yourself |
| 17:15.06 | JeffM2501 | I can |
| 17:15.11 | JeffM2501 | just wondering |
| 17:15.14 | jpa_ | yup |
| 17:15.18 | orchid | http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fi.html |
| 17:15.25 | jpa_ | i think that my approximation is quite right :) |
| 17:16.05 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.11 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.42 | Pimpi | 17 inhabitants/qkm |
| 17:16.59 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: well, where do you live? :) |
| 17:17.08 | JeffM2501 | southern california |
| 17:17.34 | JeffM2501 | http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?ovi=1&zoom=3&mapdata=OE4WNszgW9xVDd4JQ4aPHIdzbVCK3PWKA9RxuvtLbWfnTaFsbDc0Tgf4CrnkA95bmfP3uhMnXigUzUnX0RQYWJJ80%2bw7TW5kxgayr5mHvVN%2bbi7PqWJ0G7Sm%2fMZEbsXLeibkLSc3QGvjLdY%2bJBVrJW90SRYJeAwdNkJipjs182ybVhb%2fyRB2abfINJ0YCgvJm6q%2fb69qIcnd6m1HONBNU8NBDwRRoKXdTYauuc8%2fpw%2f8ebTCqsVYELov28gCBW7C6T1BsM1rSw1KEz4amN%2fxWHxJXlsuafAZUzmzdc1tjcKLpVmvGtDRKCU8Y0eXxhmmucc4xezb8aH6TOido1GGH6HXKS8LjlR6C%2be0U%2fV |
| 17:17.34 | JeffM2501 | iLpbB3KI45rM9zgfY12lEC19ZGINHe%2bwwivPAJOPeAlzWIzKui3bewNLIAZCY8NzZL405FQEx8762JOl%2fyn3A%2b9%2fJCohMi7oFudGBaNczFFOJuQ%3d%3d |
| 17:17.43 | jpa_ | well, i think that finland is bigger than your house and smaller than your country |
| 17:17.47 | jpa_ | is that enough? |
| 17:18.06 | JeffM2501 | well there are few things larger then my country |
| 17:18.11 | JeffM2501 | 2 to be exaxt |
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| 17:19.00 | Pimpi | world, universe? |
| 17:19.01 | JeffM2501 | tho my state sorta acts like it's own country some times |
| 17:19.02 | jpa_ | your ego, for one? :) |
| 17:19.16 | JeffM2501 | china and rusha |
| 17:19.29 | JeffM2501 | I don't think there are any biger |
| 17:19.32 | JeffM2501 | are there? |
| 17:19.35 | Pimpi | canada? |
| 17:19.40 | orchid | Quebec |
| 17:19.40 | JeffM2501 | maybe canada |
| 17:20.05 | JeffM2501 | tho on the maps it gets streched as it goes to the pole |
| 17:20.06 | orchid | hmm, I thought Finalad was larger than it is |
| 17:20.42 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, we are just trying to talk to you, no need to be mean :) |
| 17:20.43 | orchid | s/finalad/Finland |
| 17:20.50 | jpa_ | :/ |
| 17:20.59 | jpa_ | this "nice" thingie is quite difficult, actually |
| 17:21.13 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the real world |
| 17:21.49 | jpa_ | nooo |
| 17:21.50 | Pimpi | there are few countries with more inhabitants/sqare kilometer than germany |
| 17:21.58 | jpa_ | i want to stay in ircworld |
| 17:22.00 | Pimpi | neterlands iirc |
| 17:22.01 | jpa_ | it is much more fun |
| 17:22.06 | JeffM2501 | gemany is prety dense yeah |
| 17:22.14 | JeffM2501 | india as well |
| 17:22.31 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to go to europe one day |
| 17:22.35 | orchid | Sri Lanka used to hold that distiction |
| 17:22.42 | JeffM2501 | I've only ever been to mexico |
| 17:23.00 | orchid | its the size of lake Ontario with like 12 million peeps living there |
| 17:23.12 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 17:24.29 | jpa_ | do people live in a lake? |
| 17:24.31 | orchid | hmm, maybe lake Huron, or Superior, but still |
| 17:24.40 | jpa_ | and they say that finns are crazy :/ |
| 17:25.08 | Pimpi | jpa_: how about venice |
| 17:26.13 | JeffM2501 | is anyone averse to making the default list server port 81 instead of 80? |
| 17:26.21 | jpa_ | Pimpi: hmm |
| 17:26.28 | jpa_ | Pimpi: yup |
| 17:26.34 | Pimpi | http://virtual.finland.fi/People/way_of_life.asp |
| 17:26.41 | Pimpi | An orderly, peaceful, functioning society where most people see sense in developing their minds. |
| 17:27.05 | Pimpi | ^^^ about the fin's way of lif |
| 17:27.10 | Pimpi | life |
| 17:27.12 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 17:28.20 | Pimpi | independent only since 1917, didn't know that |
| 17:28.20 | JeffM2501 | there we go, morning bans are complete |
| 17:28.27 | jpa_ | we invented irc. what have you done? |
| 17:28.36 | JeffM2501 | we invented the internet |
| 17:28.40 | JeffM2501 | and porn |
| 17:28.44 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:28.46 | Pimpi | we invented the computer |
| 17:28.48 | JeffM2501 | maybe not porn |
| 17:29.14 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: your inventions are incomplete - what good is internet without porn? |
| 17:29.30 | JeffM2501 | we invented the internet for porn |
| 17:29.42 | JeffM2501 | my great grand father invented the car trunk. |
| 17:30.10 | Pimpi | oh, just read finland belonged to sweden until 1917. you can't beat the swedish ppl with porn |
| 17:30.25 | Pimpi | maybe the fins learned something |
| 17:30.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah they like it too much when you beat them |
| 17:32.02 | Pimpi | no discrimination of poor ppl who lack knowledge of correct english plz ;) |
| 17:32.18 | jpa_ | :P |
| 17:32.53 | JeffM2501 | wow, aperanly I am "EXAGERATEDLY vain and paranoid" |
| 17:33.10 | JeffM2501 | and I have issues |
| 17:36.10 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: you too? |
| 17:36.12 | jpa_ | cute :) |
| 17:36.18 | JeffM2501 | aperanly |
| 17:36.19 | jpa_ | now we can have issues together |
| 17:36.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm just quoting |
| 17:36.32 | JeffM2501 | I wonder what I'm paranoid about |
| 17:36.36 | JeffM2501 | got any idea? |
| 17:36.48 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 17:37.03 | jpa_ | maybe you have this feeling that i'm haxxoring to your server right now? |
| 17:37.21 | JeffM2501 | no, I don't think that |
| 17:37.26 | jpa_ | ok |
| 17:37.29 | JeffM2501 | the bzbb server? |
| 17:37.33 | JeffM2501 | it's not mine |
| 17:37.52 | jpa_ | i'm not haxxoring anywhere, i don't even know how |
| 17:37.56 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:38.11 | JeffM2501 | ask call of honor, he says he knows |
| 17:38.35 | jpa_ | oh well, i can amap "ha! apache version plahplah", google for it and compile the c source |
| 17:38.40 | jpa_ | but not much else |
| 17:38.45 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:39.04 | JeffM2501 | nid keeps his stuff prety up to date I think |
| 17:39.33 | jpa_ | he's a paranoid, then :) |
| 17:40.11 | jpa_ | no-one would attack against such a harmless and nice project as bzflag |
| 17:40.50 | JeffM2501 | you'd be suprised |
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| 18:18.53 | jpa_ | hi SC |
| 18:19.50 | SC | hi jpa |
| 18:25.13 | jpa_ | good that you are here |
| 18:25.26 | jpa_ | i would have began talking to myself again soon :/ |
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| 18:26.43 | jpa_ | no he is not! |
| 18:26.47 | jpa_ | atleast not on my computer |
| 18:27.33 | JeffM2501 | how do you know? |
| 18:28.00 | jpa_ | ~gender root |
| 18:28.03 | ibot | root is hermaphroditic |
| 18:28.09 | jpa_ | hmph |
| 18:28.18 | JeffM2501 | you know the geneder thing is randome right? |
| 18:28.24 | jpa_ | sometimes ibot's answers are too accurate |
| 18:28.55 | jpa_ | is it? i thought it was just some magic :) |
| 18:29.24 | JeffM2501 | some say that the secrets of the universe are in the random |
| 18:29.36 | JeffM2501 | and some say that magic is the secrets of the universe |
| 18:29.43 | JeffM2501 | so random could be magic |
| 18:30.26 | jpa_ | may i copy that? |
| 18:31.19 | JeffM2501 | if you want |
| 18:32.37 | jpa_ | good |
| 18:32.47 | jpa_ | it was quite cleverly said :) |
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| 18:38.27 | Pimpi | bzflagwiz: you should really tkink about getting a real irc client |
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| 18:45.26 | bzflagwiz | Pimpi - I have one at home :) |
| 18:46.12 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/AdnsHandler.h src/net/AdnsHandler.cxx): Removing AndsHandler files |
| 18:47.13 | bzflagwiz | I am encountering an error in c-ares when compiling CVS via MinGW/MSYS. |
| 18:48.02 | Tupone | can you fix it ? |
| 18:48.27 | bzflagwiz | I've been looking into it, but no luck so far. I'm close to ruling out my environment as the problem... |
| 18:48.36 | bzflagwiz | Details are at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3263 |
| 18:49.02 | bzflagwiz | ares_init.c: In function `get_res_size_nt': |
| 18:49.02 | bzflagwiz | ares_init.c:234: warning: passing arg 6 of `RegQueryValueExA' from incompatible pointer type |
| 18:50.09 | bzflagwiz | I also get some undefined references, but those could be from the failures (there are several) above |
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| 18:51.45 | Tupone | Have you searched for what `RegQueryValueExA' is expecting? |
| 18:53.13 | Tupone | however you don't need dig |
| 18:53.33 | Tupone | I meant adig |
| 18:54.13 | bzflagwiz | #ifdef WIN32 |
| 18:54.14 | bzflagwiz | static int get_res_size_nt(HKEY hKey, char *subkey, int *size) |
| 18:54.14 | bzflagwiz | { |
| 18:54.14 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.14 | bzflagwiz | } |
| 18:54.14 | bzflagwiz | static int get_res_size_nt(HKEY hKey, char *subkey, int *size) |
| 18:54.16 | bzflagwiz | { |
| 18:54.18 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.20 | bzflagwiz | } |
| 18:54.22 | bzflagwiz | static int get_res_size_nt(HKEY hKey, char *subkey, int *size) |
| 18:54.24 | bzflagwiz | { |
| 18:54.26 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.28 | bzflagwiz | } |
| 18:54.30 | bzflagwiz | ugh - this stupid webirc thing won't let me paste 4 lines... |
| 18:54.32 | bzflagwiz | static int get_res_size_nt(HKEY hKey, char *subkey, int *size) |
| 18:54.34 | bzflagwiz | o crud - it did :( |
| 18:54.44 | bzflagwiz | sorry |
| 18:55.12 | jpa_ | bzflagwiz: are you the one who make spiralzone? |
| 18:55.23 | bzflagwiz | jpa_ - yes |
| 18:55.46 | bzflagwiz | ~jpa_ |
| 18:55.47 | ibot | well, jpa_ is an evil master whose primary goal is to take a karma lead over SportChick or to get free jars of Nutella......only time will tell...huaaahhhha |
| 18:56.00 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/Makefile.in: Don't build demos |
| 18:56.23 | Tupone | -all: $(LIB) demos |
| 18:56.23 | Tupone | +all: $(LIB) << look at Makefile.in in c-ares and do this changes |
| 18:57.14 | SportChick | ~karma jpa_ |
| 18:57.14 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 5 |
| 18:57.23 | SportChick | ~karma SportChick |
| 18:57.23 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 85 |
| 18:57.37 | Tupone | ~SportChick++ |
| 18:57.43 | SportChick | hehe :) |
| 18:57.48 | SportChick | Tupone: ty! |
| 18:57.51 | Tupone | lol |
| 18:57.52 | SportChick | ~tupone++ |
| 18:58.13 | bzflagwiz | Tupone: can you be more specific? Do I remove just the -all: line? or anything with a demo in it? |
| 18:58.26 | bzflagwiz | ~SportChick |
| 18:58.27 | ibot | a fast-typing, mistake making, fun-loving, koolaid-drinking chick |
| 18:58.52 | bryjen | remove demos from the all: line |
| 18:59.07 | SportChick | ~bzflagwiz |
| 18:59.15 | Tupone | look at Makefile.in, there should be a line with "all: $(LIB) demos". Substitute with a line "all: $(LIB)" |
| 18:59.23 | bzflagwiz | ~dict wiz |
| 18:59.29 | bzflagwiz | got it |
| 19:00.59 | menotume | SportChick: have you tried de-caffinated coffee (for the jitter probs) ? |
| 19:01.20 | SportChick | menotume: check the topic |
| 19:01.24 | menotume | muawhawaha |
| 19:01.28 | menotume | I know :) |
| 19:01.53 | menotume | /kick menotume |
| 19:02.09 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o SportChick] by brlcad |
| 19:02.13 | menotume | uh ohs |
| 19:02.17 | blast007 | lol |
| 19:03.09 | *** kick/#bzflag [menotume!sportygali@67-21-174-30.stmnca.adelphia.net] by SportChick (SportChick) |
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| 19:03.14 | SportChick | ty brlcad |
| 19:03.17 | menotume | oops - auto-rejoin |
| 19:03.26 | menotume | :) |
| 19:03.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o SportChick] by brlcad |
| 19:03.36 | brlcad | :) yw |
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| 19:07.19 | bzflagwiz | Dictionary 'wiz' someone who is dazzlingly skilled in any field except debugging compiler errors :) |
| 19:07.43 | bzflagwiz | Compiling now - but so far it has gotten farther than before, so I'm optimistic :) |
| 19:07.55 | menotume | blast007: are you working on the ileague site at all ? |
| 19:08.26 | blast007 | menotume: not lately...been extremely busy |
| 19:08.30 | menotume | k |
| 19:08.42 | menotume | I have released the league code at sf |
| 19:08.52 | jpa_ | SportChick: my karma is so bad because mean rabbit25 took it away after i ate him :( |
| 19:08.52 | menotume | dunno if it would be any help |
| 19:09.04 | jpa_ | um.. after i ate him for third time actually |
| 19:09.07 | blast007 | k |
| 19:09.24 | menotume | sf.net/projects/web-league |
| 19:09.29 | menotume | maybe there are parts that you can use |
| 19:10.11 | SportChick | jpa_: well, if you would be NICE you might get some karma |
| 19:10.19 | SportChick | (some POSITIVE karma, that is) |
| 19:10.31 | jpa_ | i have to eat... |
| 19:16.37 | menotume | yum, rabbit stew |
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| 19:34.40 | bzflagwiz | hmmm - now I get the following error: |
| 19:34.42 | bzflagwiz | ../c-ares/libcares.a(ares_init.o)(.text 0x1d4): In function `ares_init_options': |
| 19:34.42 | bzflagwiz | C:/msys/1.0/bzflag/src/c-ares/ares_init.c:138: undefined reference to `ares_gettimeofday' |
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| 19:49.43 | cosmos | another one. "Jews bake great in a gas oven!" 212.60.207.105 |
| 19:53.55 | bzflagwiz | Not sure if this was the "proper" way to fix the problem, but I simply added "#include "windows_port.c" to ares_init.c...seems to be working... |
| 19:54.14 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c120-p095.vtx.ch) |
| 19:56.25 | Tupone | it is not :) |
| 19:57.55 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (src/c-ares/configure.ac src/c-ares/Makefile.in autogen.sh): Including the windows_port compilation for mingw32 build |
| 19:59.02 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/configure: Configure is an auto generated file |
| 19:59.06 | Tupone | but you can go that way ... |
| 20:01.38 | bzflagwiz | well - something didn't work regardless... I'll start fresh and try again. Have those changes actually been committed Tupone? |
| 20:02.02 | Tupone | they are committed, but you'll get that in sometime |
| 20:02.13 | Tupone | what's the error you get? |
| 20:02.49 | bzflagwiz | Do I need to build c-ares manually first, or is letting the bzflag compilation take care of it work better? |
| 20:03.09 | Tupone | I did it automatically |
| 20:03.32 | bzflagwiz | Guess I'll wait until CVS updates and try again. |
| 20:03.40 | Tupone | with fresh file, from commit, need to run autogen.sh |
| 20:05.14 | bzflagwiz | I'll have to grab individual files from web CVS for now... But I assume I'll still need to run autogen.sh |
| 20:06.00 | Tupone | dunno why individually :/ I'd just run cvs update |
| 20:06.09 | bzflagwiz | Firewall |
| 20:06.41 | Tupone | one by one :( You get c-ares that way ? |
| 20:07.02 | bzflagwiz | No - brought from home :) |
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| 20:12.02 | Madkiss | Hi all. bzflag out of the blue takes 3 minutes to start, and it's generally slow as hell |
| 20:12.10 | Madkiss | strace indicates that it is doing some getpid()-calls |
| 20:12.21 | Madkiss | It did not do that until this morning, and ever since nothing changed |
| 20:12.21 | jpa_ | do you have 3d working? :) |
| 20:12.37 | jpa_ | glxinfo | grep vendor |
| 20:12.51 | Madkiss | 3d has been working on this box for weeks. |
| 20:12.57 | Madkiss | months, years I say |
| 20:14.49 | orchid | Madkiss: version? |
| 20:15.00 | Madkiss | uhm, I think I found the problem, it's okay |
| 20:15.05 | Madkiss | PEBKAC |
| 20:15.09 | orchid | heh |
| 20:27.31 | *** join/#bzflag |zongo| (~zongo@80-218-203-67.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:32.01 | spldart | Why does Madkiss not disclose the information to Veger? |
| 20:32.48 | bryjen | because that movie was over a long time ago... ;) |
| 20:32.51 | Madkiss | Oh, it was just another bzflag running simultaneously |
| 20:33.26 | jpa_ | Madkiss :D |
| 20:34.14 | spldart | What can I say. It's illogical to withhold required information. ;) |
| 20:37.39 | bryjen | !lart 4 spldart |
| 20:41.26 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACCB61D3.ipt.aol.com) |
| 20:42.26 | *** join/#bzflag rabbit25 (~rabbit25@pcp03852369pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net) |
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| 20:46.33 | bz9627 | hi |
| 20:47.53 | SportChick | madkiss, were you trying (unsuccessfully) to get onto secretplace the other day? |
| 20:53.49 | Birdie | ~sportchick++ |
| 20:54.17 | *** join/#bzflag bz2689 (~a80cfd42@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:54.35 | bz2689 | flipple |
| 20:54.46 | JeffM2501 | pardon? |
| 20:54.55 | bz2689 | aha! hello :) |
| 20:55.10 | JeffM2501 | umm hello |
| 20:55.35 | bz2689 | what's going on at hepcat I ask myself |
| 20:55.47 | JeffM2501 | I'd check in #hepcat for that |
| 20:55.51 | bz2689 | why the registration before you are permiited to speak |
| 20:56.02 | JeffM2501 | because the owner wanted it that way |
| 20:56.10 | bz2689 | silly |
| 20:56.18 | JeffM2501 | more then likley problems with idiot spamers |
| 20:56.21 | bz2689 | can't apologize for tk'ing |
| 20:56.27 | JeffM2501 | just register then you'll be ok |
| 20:57.48 | bz2689 | i could, i suppose, but ... |
| 20:58.08 | bz2689 | i prefer an easy-going approach to these things |
| 20:58.10 | JeffM2501 | but what? |
| 20:58.28 | cosmos | its simple. you can register or you can not speak. |
| 20:58.30 | JeffM2501 | with the level of maturity in players these days, registrtion is common |
| 20:58.45 | JeffM2501 | it's not like they are asking you to pay money |
| 20:58.46 | cosmos | the alternative was a server flooded with racist spammers |
| 20:58.53 | cosmos | ooh jeff thats a good idea! |
| 20:58.55 | JeffM2501 | just put some time into making an account |
| 20:59.08 | JeffM2501 | I think a subscription server would do well |
| 20:59.15 | JeffM2501 | couple bucks a month |
| 20:59.20 | JeffM2501 | be very reasonable |
| 20:59.26 | bz2689 | i suppose it makes some sense |
| 20:59.29 | JeffM2501 | set up paypall subscriptions |
| 20:59.29 | cosmos | if they saw what bandwidth/time cost |
| 20:59.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:59.41 | JeffM2501 | I talked to nid about it once |
| 20:59.47 | JeffM2501 | it sounded very dooable |
| 21:00.06 | cosmos | i mean the bzflag servers at hepcat are really cutting into my drug money |
| 21:00.33 | JeffM2501 | just do what redsoxfan90 said, get a job so you can afford to run a server ;) |
| 21:00.39 | cosmos | heh |
| 21:00.50 | cosmos | at least im old enough to be legally employed |
| 21:00.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:01.00 | bz2689 | but if you have a job, when do you play bzflag, eh? |
| 21:01.00 | rabbit25 | what about children who dont exactly have a paypal account? |
| 21:01.08 | rabbit25 | or m?oney |
| 21:01.13 | rabbit25 | *money? |
| 21:01.22 | bz2689 | i don't have a credit card |
| 21:01.42 | rabbit25 | i dont either.. oviously |
| 21:01.52 | bz2689 | do you need one for a paypal account? |
| 21:01.59 | rabbit25 | ya |
| 21:02.02 | rabbit25 | i think |
| 21:02.10 | brad2901 | use your parents credit cards ;) |
| 21:02.18 | JeffM2501 | rabbit25, not all server ops want children |
| 21:02.28 | JeffM2501 | as they are usualy the problem |
| 21:02.44 | bz2689 | too small to shoot? |
| 21:02.50 | JeffM2501 | and they could just play on other servers |
| 21:02.51 | cosmos | if i could enforce an over 25 rule i would |
| 21:03.07 | JeffM2501 | you can |
| 21:03.21 | JeffM2501 | require age verification to be added to the player group |
| 21:03.21 | bz2689 | over 60 at least. 40 years tank training should be mandatory |
| 21:03.29 | rabbit25 | ... |
| 21:03.50 | rabbit25 | i love to fake my age.. so that wouldnt work |
| 21:03.55 | JeffM2501 | every server op is entitled to run there server how ever they want. |
| 21:03.56 | rabbit25 | and im not a problem |
| 21:04.07 | rabbit25 | i dont think |
| 21:04.08 | JeffM2501 | then you cut a deal with the server op |
| 21:04.12 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 21:04.20 | rabbit25 | one thing... |
| 21:04.32 | cosmos | oh boy redsoxfan just showed up again |
| 21:04.36 | rabbit25 | adults can write cheats and most children cant |
| 21:04.38 | JeffM2501 | of course he did |
| 21:04.56 | JeffM2501 | rabbit25, don't underestimate the High School kid |
| 21:05.02 | rabbit25 | ya... |
| 21:05.09 | rabbit25 | but middle school? |
| 21:05.21 | JeffM2501 | red can't realy show on any server that does global auth, he's on a dynamic so master baning him is hard |
| 21:05.27 | JeffM2501 | kids are not stupid |
| 21:05.37 | rabbit25 | hmm... |
| 21:05.40 | bz2689 | who is red? |
| 21:05.45 | rabbit25 | i guess im an exception... |
| 21:05.50 | rabbit25 | redsox fan |
| 21:06.01 | JeffM2501 | just a jerk kid |
| 21:06.02 | Birdie | be happy you dont know him |
| 21:06.08 | rabbit25 | i nkow |
| 21:06.11 | rabbit25 | him |
| 21:06.13 | JeffM2501 | he is of little consiuence |
| 21:06.15 | rabbit25 | and despise him |
| 21:06.25 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACCB61D3.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:06.34 | rabbit25 | brad? |
| 21:06.45 | bz2689 | has he done something terrible? |
| 21:06.48 | cosmos | @40000000423f36240a9b242c Player REDSOXFAN90 IS BACK BITCHES! [6] has joined from 213.131.244.16 at 2005-03-21 13:01:14 with token "" |
| 21:07.01 | JeffM2501 | bot abbuse, spaming, threats |
| 21:07.03 | JeffM2501 | stuff liket hat |
| 21:07.18 | JeffM2501 | normal angry lame 12 year old stuff |
| 21:07.26 | rabbit25 | and kicking for no reason!!! |
| 21:07.36 | brad2901 | yes rabbit? |
| 21:07.39 | rabbit25 | dont dis all 12 year olds!!!! |
| 21:07.40 | JeffM2501 | that part is not masterban |
| 21:07.42 | cosmos | my how the mighty have fallen. from server cop to persona non grata |
| 21:07.48 | JeffM2501 | not all 12 year olds are jerks |
| 21:07.57 | rabbit25 | thank you |
| 21:07.59 | rabbit25 | :) |
| 21:08.01 | JeffM2501 | there are just a lot of them that don't know how to function in the adult world |
| 21:08.04 | JeffM2501 | your 12? |
| 21:08.04 | rabbit25 | yup |
| 21:08.13 | JeffM2501 | you registered on bzbb? |
| 21:08.16 | rabbit25 | how old did you think i was? |
| 21:08.18 | cosmos | shouldn't you be in school? |
| 21:08.18 | brad2901 | uh oh |
| 21:08.20 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 21:08.20 | rabbit25 | yup :) |
| 21:08.24 | brad2901 | don't answer tha rabbit ;) |
| 21:08.25 | rabbit25 | oh no! |
| 21:08.29 | rabbit25 | no |
| 21:08.30 | JeffM2501 | did you send in your parental connent? |
| 21:08.35 | JeffM2501 | don't lie to me |
| 21:08.38 | rabbit25 | im not supposed to be in school! |
| 21:08.46 | JeffM2501 | did you? |
| 21:08.58 | JeffM2501 | if you just ignore it I legaly have to delete your account |
| 21:08.58 | rabbit25 | connent? |
| 21:09.01 | rabbit25 | ok! |
| 21:09.04 | JeffM2501 | it is not a joke |
| 21:09.04 | rabbit25 | i didnt |
| 21:09.13 | JeffM2501 | you need to get a parent to fax that to Tim |
| 21:09.14 | rabbit25 | im almost 13!!! |
| 21:09.17 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 21:09.23 | JeffM2501 | the LAW states we can't store data for you. |
| 21:09.30 | rabbit25 | the law? |
| 21:09.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:09.32 | rabbit25 | ... |
| 21:09.37 | rabbit25 | hmm |
| 21:09.38 | JeffM2501 | Child online protection act |
| 21:09.42 | rabbit25 | problem |
| 21:09.44 | JeffM2501 | you lied on your form? |
| 21:09.58 | rabbit25 | was this law made by shrub? (bush) |
| 21:10.03 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:10.06 | JeffM2501 | it's from much older |
| 21:10.08 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 21:10.11 | JeffM2501 | and it dosnt' change |
| 21:10.24 | JeffM2501 | the fact that you have to send it in. |
| 21:10.33 | brad2901 | JeffM2501, does that apply outside america? |
| 21:10.34 | rabbit25 | oh... |
| 21:10.36 | *** join/#bzflag stevek (stevek@dragon.org) |
| 21:10.38 | Birdie | yoiu need to be 13 to register on bzbb? |
| 21:10.39 | stevek | hello |
| 21:10.42 | JeffM2501 | yes because we are in the US |
| 21:10.44 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:10.51 | JeffM2501 | you need to READ THE BOARD MESSAGE |
| 21:10.56 | rabbit25 | sry |
| 21:10.59 | rabbit25 | ... |
| 21:11.07 | stevek | ping Nidhoggr |
| 21:11.15 | JeffM2501 | just send in the letter of concent |
| 21:11.17 | rabbit25 | i dont read bzbb much so i guess you could delete my account... |
| 21:11.36 | rabbit25 | my parents think im too opssessed w/ bz |
| 21:11.45 | stevek | heh |
| 21:11.52 | JeffM2501 | rabbit25, the accounts are use for bzbb |
| 21:12.09 | rabbit25 | ??? |
| 21:12.15 | rabbit25 | that made no sense??? |
| 21:12.26 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 21:12.35 | rabbit25 | which accounta? |
| 21:12.40 | rabbit25 | *accounts |
| 21:13.49 | rabbit25 | do you mean the bzbb accounts are used for global logins? |
| 21:14.30 | rabbit25 | jeff? |
| 21:14.35 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:14.38 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 21:15.00 | rabbit25 | well... i can manually login to the servers im registered on |
| 21:15.12 | rabbit25 | so i would be ok w/ out bzbb account |
| 21:15.28 | rabbit25 | cant an unregistered person look at the forums? |
| 21:15.38 | rabbit25 | but not post? |
| 21:16.09 | rabbit25 | JeffM2501: cant an unregistered person look at the forums but not post? |
| 21:16.18 | orchid | yeah you can read them |
| 21:16.20 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:16.30 | JeffM2501 | I can not legaly store data for you |
| 21:16.46 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 21:16.51 | rabbit25 | now it makes sense |
| 21:17.00 | rabbit25 | i wont post anymore |
| 21:17.02 | rabbit25 | ... |
| 21:17.03 | JeffM2501 | so I asume that you do not have your parents permision to use this board |
| 21:17.04 | rabbit25 | :'( |
| 21:17.11 | JeffM2501 | that is why you won't just get a letter signed? |
| 21:17.17 | rabbit25 | yup |
| 21:17.25 | rabbit25 | ... |
| 21:17.32 | JeffM2501 | there is no pitty in this case, there is only the law |
| 21:17.34 | rabbit25 | now you hate me dont you... |
| 21:17.38 | rabbit25 | i know |
| 21:17.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:17.45 | JeffM2501 | it bugs me that kids don't read |
| 21:17.45 | rabbit25 | i despise some laws |
| 21:17.53 | rabbit25 | ... |
| 21:17.57 | rabbit25 | oh well |
| 21:17.58 | JeffM2501 | this is why I don't like dealing with kids on the internet |
| 21:18.03 | rabbit25 | ya |
| 21:18.07 | rabbit25 | im sry |
| 21:18.39 | rabbit25 | good bye then... |
| 21:20.24 | stevek | heh... |
| 21:20.41 | stevek | why was i working all day when i could have just came in here and been amused :) |
| 21:20.50 | orange | where does the law stand when the person lies about their age? |
| 21:26.08 | cosmos | damn kids should be in a library or out setting things on fire |
| 21:26.23 | JeffM2501 | why would he leave IRC |
| 21:26.24 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:27.21 | stevek | heh |
| 21:28.31 | JeffM2501 | I mean there IS a reason that we have that big old coppa privacy statement |
| 21:28.56 | JeffM2501 | I could put in there "and by clicking yes, you agree to give me 100$" and people would click thru that. |
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| 21:34.00 | bz6240 | hi |
| 21:34.10 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, also please don't advise people to lie about legal issues |
| 21:34.12 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 21:34.20 | bz6240 | hi |
| 21:34.23 | brad2901 | eesh, sry! |
| 21:34.38 | *** join/#bzflag Guest166 (~4447f67d@rw08.de) |
| 21:34.46 | JeffM2501 | I wish I could be more loose about it, but sadly it is one thing we legaly have to be hardball about |
| 21:35.07 | JeffM2501 | I think it's the ONLY thing we have to do legaly |
| 21:35.20 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:36.06 | JeffM2501 | some states can come down hard on it, and if he was doing it with out his parents permision, they could get us if we kept his info |
| 21:36.26 | JeffM2501 | he would not be at fault since he is too young to engage in a contract |
| 21:36.42 | brad2901 | wouldn't it be his parents fault? |
| 21:36.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:36.49 | JeffM2501 | we stored the info |
| 21:36.59 | JeffM2501 | the law is not for the sites protection but for the childs |
| 21:37.00 | brad2901 | but if you don't know his real age... |
| 21:37.10 | JeffM2501 | as soon as he said that he as 12 |
| 21:37.24 | JeffM2501 | all this is loged |
| 21:37.36 | JeffM2501 | they could pull it up and say that we knew |
| 21:37.43 | brad2901 | oh |
| 21:37.54 | JeffM2501 | and realy he sholdn't be doing it if his parents say no |
| 21:37.56 | JeffM2501 | he can still read |
| 21:38.01 | Birdie | you ever got into troubles with the age thing on bzflag? |
| 21:38.06 | JeffM2501 | and as soon as he hits 13 he can remake the account |
| 21:38.13 | brad2901 | seems fair |
| 21:38.31 | JeffM2501 | its' the only option we have |
| 21:38.35 | JeffM2501 | it's not like I baned him |
| 21:38.42 | JeffM2501 | I just had to remove storeage of the data |
| 21:39.16 | JeffM2501 | there has to be some age limit where they say someone is too young to use the net |
| 21:39.26 | JeffM2501 | the US picked 13 |
| 21:39.29 | JeffM2501 | server is in the US |
| 21:39.31 | brad2901 | does all this depend on where the server is hosted? |
| 21:39.33 | brad2901 | ah |
| 21:39.34 | JeffM2501 | so server uses US copa rules |
| 21:39.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:39.51 | JeffM2501 | most other countrys have similar laws |
| 21:39.59 | JeffM2501 | some with higher ages. |
| 21:40.11 | cosmos | the age should be 29 |
| 21:40.12 | brad2901 | do you know what the age is in UK? |
| 21:40.18 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:40.21 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:40.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:40.31 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to find a way to make a 18+ server |
| 21:40.41 | JeffM2501 | so I could say stuff other then "stupid doody head" |
| 21:40.45 | cosmos | just tie it in with an adult website verify agency |
| 21:40.50 | brad2901 | hehe |
| 21:40.55 | menotume | credit card auth ... pay $1.00 by CC to join |
| 21:41.01 | JeffM2501 | a paypall would do it |
| 21:41.05 | menotume | ya |
| 21:41.14 | JeffM2501 | I think a server that charged 4$ a month would do great |
| 21:41.21 | JeffM2501 | it'd help cover the cost of bandwith |
| 21:41.30 | JeffM2501 | and give some cash to help pay good admins |
| 21:41.48 | JeffM2501 | you'd also know that every user there wanted to be there |
| 21:41.59 | brad2901 | yeah |
| 21:42.00 | JeffM2501 | since they put a bit in for it |
| 21:42.18 | JeffM2501 | and if a cheater comes in, you can still ban them |
| 21:42.26 | JeffM2501 | they just happend to pay you for the trouble |
| 21:42.39 | menotume | :) |
| 21:42.53 | JeffM2501 | and if they want to make a new account to get in again, more power to them |
| 21:42.57 | JeffM2501 | it's $ every time :) |
| 21:43.25 | menotume | $10 setup, $2/month :) |
| 21:43.34 | JeffM2501 | run the server with a ban on *.*.*.* and just get a system that whitelists user names based on payment |
| 21:43.56 | orange | just use a group in bzbb |
| 21:44.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:44.04 | JeffM2501 | you'd want to automate it |
| 21:44.11 | orange | webscraping :-) |
| 21:44.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:44.33 | JeffM2501 | you may want to use a difrent auth server |
| 21:44.45 | JeffM2501 | if it would be easyer to script it into a secure site |
| 21:44.46 | SportChick | s/dea/dead |
| 21:45.04 | JeffM2501 | how ever it's done, I think it would be rather viable |
| 21:45.20 | JeffM2501 | the $10 setup may be harder to swollow then something like 4-5$ a month |
| 21:46.07 | menotume | ya |
| 21:46.31 | SportChick | JeffM2501: would setting it up as pay servers cause any conflicts with the whole "open source" concept? |
| 21:46.41 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:46.56 | JeffM2501 | the license says you can't call the game your own |
| 21:46.59 | JeffM2501 | and sell it |
| 21:47.01 | JeffM2501 | the game is free |
| 21:47.10 | JeffM2501 | you'd still be able to play on all the other servers |
| 21:47.16 | menotume | and paying to use phpbb ? |
| 21:47.17 | SportChick | ok, so servers can be subscription. just can't charge for software |
| 21:47.18 | JeffM2501 | just this site charges for use |
| 21:47.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:47.28 | JeffM2501 | it's like a pay website |
| 21:47.35 | JeffM2501 | firefox is free and open source |
| 21:47.39 | JeffM2501 | but it can still access pay sites |
| 21:47.49 | JeffM2501 | since your not paying for the software |
| 21:47.53 | JeffM2501 | your paying for the service |
| 21:48.08 | JeffM2501 | your paying for somone to run a fast well admined server |
| 21:48.15 | menotume | kewl |
| 21:48.17 | JeffM2501 | it would mean downtime becomes a larger issue |
| 21:48.40 | menotume | how about a vid card upgrade ? |
| 21:48.41 | SportChick | JeffM2501: yeah. then you have to deal with folks wanting rebates and stuff for server downtime |
| 21:48.54 | menotume | just need a disclaimer |
| 21:48.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:48.57 | SportChick | menotume: my computer is less than 6 months old |
| 21:49.01 | menotume | ohhh |
| 21:49.09 | JeffM2501 | it's not hardware |
| 21:49.11 | menotume | but wasn't your framrate like 30 or so ? |
| 21:49.15 | JeffM2501 | if it was old versions would have it too |
| 21:49.24 | SportChick | menotume: no, it's 65fps |
| 21:49.31 | menotume | hmmm, okies |
| 21:49.56 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || The next person to tease SportChick about her jitter will be kicked, and it's not harware |
| 21:50.02 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || The next person to tease SportChick about her jitter will be kicked, and it's not hardware |
| 21:50.04 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:50.05 | SportChick | hehe |
| 21:50.24 | SportChick | JeffM2501: so I have you to thank for the topic? |
| 21:50.26 | JeffM2501 | I should put, and there is no bzedit 2.0 in there |
| 21:50.29 | SportChick | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 21:50.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:50.32 | JeffM2501 | dtr did it |
| 21:50.39 | SportChick | ~dtremenak++ |
| 21:51.40 | JeffM2501 | people may also confuse it for paying for the game and expect bugs and stuff to be fixed |
| 21:51.51 | JeffM2501 | but if it took off you could donate a % to the project |
| 21:52.29 | menotume | I gues as long as you don't HAVE to pay to play |
| 21:52.46 | menotume | although, even then |
| 21:52.47 | JeffM2501 | ohh no, I'd not make it mandetory to play on any server |
| 21:52.53 | menotume | right |
| 21:53.03 | JeffM2501 | I'm just saying for like a "preimium" server |
| 21:53.04 | menotume | only servers that want to require global login |
| 21:53.09 | menotume | right |
| 21:53.21 | JeffM2501 | I think it would only be viable for the large data center servers |
| 21:53.27 | JeffM2501 | like sp and hepcat |
| 21:53.48 | JeffM2501 | but I guess you could do it for like a leauge server too |
| 21:54.04 | JeffM2501 | there would be issues charging at a list server level because that is somewhat tied to the project |
| 21:54.11 | JeffM2501 | and IIRC bzflag is suposed to be non profix |
| 21:54.15 | JeffM2501 | profit |
| 21:54.25 | menotume | ya, makes sense |
| 21:54.30 | JeffM2501 | so you'd have to have "3rd party" server ops do it |
| 21:54.36 | JeffM2501 | like nid or cosmos |
| 21:55.22 | menotume | Sounds like a good idea .... so you'll have it implemented by noon tomorrow ? |
| 21:55.29 | JeffM2501 | if it wasn't that hard or expensive to set up, it could be prety self regulating, the more people on it the more bandwith, but the more you make, and vice versa |
| 21:55.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't have a data center server |
| 21:56.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm just the idea man :) |
| 21:56.24 | menotume | hehe |
| 21:56.24 | menotume | well, someone has to implement it |
| 21:56.42 | menotume | and, since it was your idea .... |
| 21:56.44 | JeffM2501 | need somone with a paypall system that is willing to spend some $ on the test :) |
| 21:56.45 | menotume | :D |
| 21:57.05 | JeffM2501 | I'm not the best on the webapps |
| 21:57.16 | JeffM2501 | mostly just know what they are capable of, not how to do em :) |
| 21:57.23 | menotume | :) |
| 21:57.33 | menotume | well, I'm out - no $$ |
| 21:57.51 | blast007 | hmm...just got kicked from a server for "wrong end shots" :/ |
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| 21:57.59 | menotume | cheater !! |
| 21:58.01 | menotume | :P |
| 21:58.01 | blast007 | lol |
| 21:58.15 | orange | blast007: repeat that for Manu |
| 21:58.40 | orange | he missed it by 6 seconds |
| 21:58.40 | JeffM2501 | something slightly a litte more tward the capatalist view would to make the game also be able to show "prefered" severs allways at the top of the list. And then you make it so that "prefered" ones are ones that donate back to the project |
| 21:58.43 | blast007 | /msg'ed him with it :) |
| 21:58.44 | JeffM2501 | ether via services, time, code, or $$ |
| 21:59.08 | menotume | ahh, BZads |
| 22:00.07 | menotume | I wonder if there are enough players who would be willing to pay (I would), to make it worthwhile |
| 22:01.47 | orange | then server spamming like that jah guy did would be much more serious |
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| 22:04.53 | JeffM2501 | I think with about 30 paying players you could cover bandwith of a common data center server |
| 22:05.16 | JeffM2501 | at like $4 a month |
| 22:06.15 | JeffM2501 | if you get more then that, you start maybe paying admins |
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| 22:06.42 | JeffM2501 | then ether pocketing the rest or doing whatever ( I'd donate some back ) |
| 22:06.59 | JeffM2501 | you could also use it to do prize based contests and stuff |
| 22:10.58 | brad2901 | Can anybody see anything wrong with this map ( http://brad2901.no-ip.org/map.bzw ) because I can't start a server with it |
| 22:13.51 | trepan | brad2901: did you bother reading the warning messages? |
| 22:14.07 | trepan | or are they somehow not visible to you? |
| 22:14.17 | SportChick | JeffM2501: is there a way to run a query on ibot to see which server a particular player is on? |
| 22:14.22 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:14.24 | brad2901 | They were invisible, it closed immediately |
| 22:14.32 | brad2901 | using a .bat file |
| 22:14.32 | SportChick | ~hepcat |
| 22:14.40 | SportChick | ~viper |
| 22:14.41 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, the stat servers do that |
| 22:14.41 | brad2901 | I even tried 'pause' at the end |
| 22:14.48 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, dump it to a log file |
| 22:14.48 | SportChick | oh! good idea |
| 22:14.52 | SportChick | thanks jeff |
| 22:14.59 | brad2901 | how? |
| 22:15.02 | JeffM2501 | is ms 0 valid? |
| 22:15.06 | brad2901 | yeah |
| 22:15.09 | brad2901 | seems to be |
| 22:15.16 | JeffM2501 | bzfs.exe -blarg asdfsdfsaf > something.txt |
| 22:15.27 | JeffM2501 | how can you have a server with no shots? |
| 22:15.29 | brad2901 | ok, i'll try that |
| 22:15.36 | brad2901 | it's a race server :) |
| 22:15.41 | JeffM2501 | is it just competive bumping? |
| 22:15.41 | brad2901 | on a lan |
| 22:15.42 | bryjen | JeffM2501: steamrollers ;) |
| 22:15.57 | JeffM2501 | it's a huging server |
| 22:16.01 | brad2901 | heh |
| 22:16.05 | trepan | there are 2 probs, missing 'end's, and odd "27"s |
| 22:16.07 | JeffM2501 | you hug people and you win when you have max love |
| 22:16.09 | bryjen | there is no bumping, tanks don't collide |
| 22:16.18 | brad2901 | lol |
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| 22:16.44 | JeffM2501 | wtf is the 27s? |
| 22:16.45 | brad2901 | trepan, it's a saved world, I don't realy know much about it |
| 22:16.49 | JeffM2501 | what made this map? |
| 22:16.57 | JeffM2501 | it got screwed somehow |
| 22:16.57 | brad2901 | 'cedric' I think |
| 22:16.59 | JeffM2501 | just look at it |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM2501 | tetra |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM2501 | vertex -450 -810 30 |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM2501 | 27vertex -450 -810 40 |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM2501 | 27vertex -150 -810 30 |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM2501 | 27vertex -150 -810 40 |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM2501 | 27end |
| 22:17.23 | brad2901 | must be a bz bug then ;) |
| 22:17.29 | brad2901 | it's a saved world |
| 22:17.35 | JeffM2501 | or something screwed the map inbetween |
| 22:18.24 | brad2901 | ok, so i add the 'end's and remove the '27's? |
| 22:18.39 | JeffM2501 | you have to make the map valid |
| 22:18.40 | SportChick | JeffM2501: another question - when someone joins right now, it does not tell them if they've been banned (if they have) - it just gives a message, "error connecting to server". Has anyone discussed modifying the message to indicate a ban is in effect? if not is there a reason not to do that? |
| 22:18.46 | brad2901 | hmm |
| 22:18.49 | brad2901 | i'll try |
| 22:18.59 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, thats not a ban message |
| 22:19.03 | JeffM2501 | it sends back the ban message |
| 22:19.06 | JeffM2501 | I wrote that myself |
| 22:19.12 | JeffM2501 | unless it got busted |
| 22:19.24 | JeffM2501 | it sends back the ban reason, and the baner |
| 22:19.28 | bryjen | looks like just brad2901's tetra's got the 27 treatment |
| 22:19.35 | brad2901 | :( |
| 22:20.00 | JeffM2501 | the problem connectin to server is a generic, it just timed out message |
| 22:20.20 | bryjen | odd that it's consistent, the last 3 verticies and the end |
| 22:20.46 | brad2901 | can you check again? reload page.. |
| 22:20.59 | JeffM2501 | does it open? |
| 22:21.06 | SportChick | JeffM2501: not positive, but it doesn't seem to be working for secretplace. Is that a recent addition to cvs? I know sp is running an older server version (february 2.0.1 I think) |
| 22:21.10 | JeffM2501 | or just run from the terminal and look at the output |
| 22:21.15 | brad2901 | nope |
| 22:21.20 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, it was done when masterban was done |
| 22:21.25 | brad2901 | ok, i'll try that |
| 22:21.25 | JeffM2501 | 2-3 months ago |
| 22:21.27 | JeffM2501 | maybe more |
| 22:21.35 | JeffM2501 | it's been in 2.0 since release |
| 22:21.38 | SportChick | hrm |
| 22:21.51 | SportChick | JeffM2501: does it work with hostban too? |
| 22:21.52 | JeffM2501 | unless one of the whitelist patches broke it |
| 22:21.55 | SportChick | perhaps that's the difference |
| 22:22.01 | JeffM2501 | hostban lets you log in first |
| 22:22.04 | JeffM2501 | but yes |
| 22:22.11 | JeffM2501 | it's suposed to do it for all bans |
| 22:22.21 | JeffM2501 | IIRC host ban sends you a msg |
| 22:22.23 | SportChick | it's the hostban section that doesn't seem to be working properly, I think |
| 22:22.30 | JeffM2501 | IP ban sends a special packet back |
| 22:22.33 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/common/global.cxx: endShotDetection initial value: 5. Paranoid mode turned off :) |
| 22:22.37 | JeffM2501 | hostbans were changed for whitelist |
| 22:22.40 | SportChick | any idea why I can't get onto knjiga.ffos.hr:5155 with bzadmin2? |
| 22:22.43 | JeffM2501 | they may have been busted |
| 22:22.46 | SportChick | k |
| 22:22.52 | JeffM2501 | who ever did that should fix it |
| 22:23.44 | bryjen | is it bzadmin not giving you a reason, SportChick? that may be the difference |
| 22:24.03 | JeffM2501 | bzadmin would need support for the ban return message |
| 22:24.08 | JeffM2501 | I only did bzflag |
| 22:24.09 | bryjen | jup |
| 22:24.10 | brad2901 | is it ok to paste 9 lines in here? |
| 22:24.20 | JeffM2501 | if you must |
| 22:24.23 | brad2901 | :) |
| 22:24.28 | JeffM2501 | pastebin |
| 22:24.33 | brad2901 | fine.. |
| 22:24.35 | JeffM2501 | it's all about pastebin.com |
| 22:25.01 | SportChick | bryjen: i'm actually basing it on something entirely different |
| 22:25.05 | SportChick | not bzadmin |
| 22:25.25 | brad2901 | http://pastebin.com/261102 |
| 22:25.54 | JeffM2501 | your missing materials |
| 22:26.10 | brad2901 | which ines? |
| 22:26.13 | brad2901 | ones |
| 22:26.18 | trepan | it's a bug in TetraBuilding.cxx, easy to fix |
| 22:26.47 | JeffM2501 | or what he said |
| 22:26.49 | trepan | should have just eliminated tetras... |
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