| 00:03.03 | *** join/#bzflag Linuz_user (~wili@ppp-216-106-108-116.storm.ca) |
| 00:03.41 | Linuz_user | yes, got it right! |
| 00:03.44 | Linuz_user | bout time |
| 00:03.52 | Linuz_user | cosmos |
| 00:04.04 | Linuz_user | Cosmos??? |
| 00:04.07 | Linuz_user | is he there? |
| 00:04.11 | Linuz_user | is anyone there? |
| 00:04.15 | blast007 | he's logged in here... |
| 00:04.21 | blast007 | but he might not be at the keyboard |
| 00:04.34 | Linuz_user | hes at work, i think |
| 00:05.55 | Linuz_user | tell him, he is needed on hepcat.org:5154 |
| 00:06.08 | Linuz_user | plese |
| 00:06.28 | Linuz_user | a message from Ice Wewe |
| 00:11.46 | brad2901 | linuz_user, an admin is there now |
| 00:15.28 | brad2901 | "kicking player <insert_player_here> endshot limit: 3" |
| 00:15.32 | brad2901 | what does that mean? |
| 00:16.10 | blast007 | think that's a new cheat prevention |
| 00:16.22 | brad2901 | oh |
| 00:16.26 | blast007 | some players had clients that stopped people's bullets |
| 00:16.47 | brad2901 | and that automatically kicks them? |
| 00:17.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:17.04 | brad2901 | ah |
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| 00:19.21 | wegstar | I've been to some maps in which appears to "change your HUD" so that the time appears next to "READY" |
| 00:19.27 | wegstar | how is that done |
| 00:19.55 | wegstar | ? |
| 00:30.17 | TimRiker | wegstar: the maps change it? wierd. might be a bzbb value that changes it and hence allows bzfs to set it. hmm. |
| 00:32.39 | *** join/#bzflag MeBigFatGuy (dave@balt-209-150-116-148.dynamic-dial.qis.net) |
| 00:33.17 | wegstar | It's on Louman's maps.. |
| 00:33.53 | SportChick | sgk284: hiya back |
| 00:37.17 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 00:37.49 | SportChick | it appears Secretplace is down...anyone mention this already? |
| 00:45.21 | wegstar | ooh |
| 00:45.53 | wegstar | yep. its gone |
| 00:53.36 | Nidhoggr | restarted. I'm back to my other activities. :) |
| 00:53.47 | Nidhoggr | call me if it dies again. and thanks for calling. |
| 00:59.40 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: no worries |
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| 01:12.08 | wegstar | :) |
| 01:12.16 | wegstar | hi brad2901 |
| 01:16.19 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (~vircuser@cpe-67-10-210-195.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 01:25.20 | wegstar | hi spldart :) |
| 01:28.44 | cosmos | lets see how many globally register after i make it mandatory |
| 01:28.56 | JeffM2501 | right now I get about 10 a day |
| 01:29.27 | cosmos | we need to have as clost to 100% of the players registered |
| 01:29.32 | cosmos | the other riff raff can go |
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| 01:43.02 | orange | give 'em you-know-what cosmos :-) |
| 01:46.25 | spldart | hi wegstar |
| 01:46.29 | cosmos | alot of players are claiming they never get the email after they register |
| 01:46.36 | spldart | Was playing. |
| 01:47.09 | spldart | aerial dogfight server |
| 01:49.37 | JeffM2501 | A lof of ISPs have agresive spam filters |
| 01:49.55 | JeffM2501 | the registration issues forum allows non reg to post |
| 01:50.01 | JeffM2501 | if the tell us the name we can fix em |
| 01:50.05 | JeffM2501 | or have em come here, or IM me |
| 01:50.08 | JeffM2501 | or email me |
| 01:51.34 | cosmos | yeah im having them check spam filters now heh |
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| 01:57.28 | JeffM2501 | anyone haveing issues with call of honor loging in to your server just to try and run some sorta script? |
| 01:57.57 | menotume | he spammed ducati a bit ago - no big deal though |
| 01:58.04 | wegstar | no.. he was just on as "call of honor3" |
| 01:58.07 | JeffM2501 | I have goten a couple of complaints |
| 01:58.18 | menotume | just advertizing some 200-player game to be held on Sunday :P |
| 01:58.20 | JeffM2501 | some have sugested adding him to masterban |
| 01:58.33 | wegstar | on 1veedo.homelinux.com.. he wanted me to post things in the forum... |
| 01:58.43 | JeffM2501 | what did he want to post? |
| 01:58.56 | wegstar | about his server, I believe... |
| 01:59.12 | cosmos | he may have been the racist hitting hepcat |
| 01:59.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm generaly of the option that add spaming servers is bad, and that should be added to the master ban |
| 01:59.28 | cosmos | i think he should be added definately |
| 02:00.31 | wegstar | no warning? ;) |
| 02:00.42 | cosmos | for spamming? no |
| 02:00.48 | wegstar | guess he doesn't derserve it :) |
| 02:01.06 | JeffM2501 | he's been warned repeadatly |
| 02:01.12 | JeffM2501 | he's just mad he was baned from bzbb yesteday |
| 02:01.48 | cosmos | so he escalated instead of taking that as a warning |
| 02:01.51 | cosmos | pfft |
| 02:02.16 | JeffM2501 | his last pm to me was "bring it" |
| 02:02.20 | cosmos | hahaha |
| 02:02.25 | cosmos | bring it with a global ban then |
| 02:03.37 | JeffM2501 | he's been IP baned from bzbb |
| 02:03.39 | JeffM2501 | so he can't auth |
| 02:03.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: he joined dw's server and yelled "BITCHES!!!!" about 100 times before I banned him...that count? |
| 02:03.55 | cosmos | i always love how they burst into a fighting posture so quickly |
| 02:04.02 | cosmos | or threaten you/your server |
| 02:04.27 | DTRemenak | I'm really...unimpressed...with him |
| 02:04.55 | JeffM2501 | he's going on the list now |
| 02:04.58 | JeffM2501 | compiling IPs |
| 02:05.13 | DTRemenak | he's only got a couple |
| 02:06.06 | cosmos | i cant wait to get the SOB spamming hepcat with racist messages |
| 02:06.12 | cosmos | feel free to add his ip to the master when i get it |
| 02:06.49 | cosmos | also appears to be impersonating admins/people |
| 02:06.57 | orange | cosmos, no wonder your blood pressure goes up when you start running public servers again :-) |
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| 02:07.25 | cosmos | yeah then you have a bunch of people complaining etc |
| 02:07.28 | cosmos | it just escalates |
| 02:07.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10admin/master-bans.txt: call of honor for message spaming on multiple servers |
| 02:11.00 | *** join/#bzflag bz9524 (~44542ca7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 02:11.26 | cosmos | is it one server variable to make it start/stop raining? |
| 02:11.51 | JeffM2501 | _rainType |
| 02:12.01 | bz9524 | Hey all |
| 02:12.27 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:13.10 | cosmos | then none to turn it off? |
| 02:13.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 02:15.15 | JeffM2501 | ibot message for brlcad update master ban please, and make it so we can too |
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| 02:17.19 | JeffM2501 | ok he's masterbaned |
| 02:17.27 | JeffM2501 | on your all next restart you'll pick him up |
| 02:18.17 | cosmos | lovely |
| 02:21.11 | JeffM2501 | if he gets any more IPs let me know |
| 02:21.11 | JeffM2501 | he seems to have a very limited set tho |
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| 02:24.33 | spldart | Can I get his IP's? I would like to right a rule in the firewall for him ;)( |
| 02:25.11 | JeffM2501 | http://www.bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 02:25.35 | spldart | Thanks |
| 02:25.40 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 02:26.26 | cosmos | should script something to export the master bans into ipfw and pf rules :) |
| 02:26.55 | JeffM2501 | the masteban list isn't used that much |
| 02:27.02 | JeffM2501 | it now has a whoping 5 people on it |
| 02:27.20 | cosmos | give it time |
| 02:27.32 | JeffM2501 | it's like our version of the death peanalyt |
| 02:27.37 | JeffM2501 | can't use it for little stuff |
| 02:28.15 | JeffM2501 | tho for the pundits of it out there, the first person added to it was myself :) |
| 02:28.23 | spldart | Added to my badtanks file |
| 02:28.33 | spldart | My server wont auto update |
| 02:28.39 | spldart | so manually |
| 02:29.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah your libcurl is not happy |
| 02:29.05 | JeffM2501 | what verison are you running? |
| 02:29.06 | spldart | yeppers |
| 02:29.25 | spldart | The newer 2.0 release |
| 02:29.29 | JeffM2501 | b4? |
| 02:29.32 | spldart | You posted about it a couple weeks ago |
| 02:29.35 | spldart | Yeah |
| 02:29.43 | JeffM2501 | have you tried using the lib from 2.0.0 ? |
| 02:29.59 | spldart | No.. But I started serving with the original 2.0.0 |
| 02:30.01 | JeffM2501 | it uses a difrent version of libCurl |
| 02:30.07 | JeffM2501 | did that have the same problem? |
| 02:30.13 | spldart | Was having problems already. Thought updating would help. I tdidn't |
| 02:30.16 | spldart | Yeah |
| 02:30.19 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 02:30.28 | JeffM2501 | have you tried seting your list server port to 81? |
| 02:30.28 | spldart | It's just my dumb 98 machine. |
| 02:30.33 | spldart | No |
| 02:30.42 | spldart | How would I do that? |
| 02:30.44 | JeffM2501 | that may be something to try |
| 02:31.09 | JeffM2501 | I think its -publiclist http://my.bzflag.org:81/db/ |
| 02:34.02 | spldart | added... restarting |
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| 02:35.23 | spldart | How would I test that? |
| 02:35.39 | JeffM2501 | see if global reg works |
| 02:35.55 | spldart | That is intermittant. |
| 02:36.03 | JeffM2501 | see if it works better |
| 02:36.28 | spldart | Nope... no global login |
| 02:36.51 | JeffM2501 | wierd then |
| 02:36.54 | spldart | yep |
| 02:37.11 | JeffM2501 | may want to see if you can get a VC6 build |
| 02:37.17 | JeffM2501 | those runtimes may work better |
| 02:37.38 | spldart | I'll research that |
| 02:37.40 | wegstar | see? |
| 02:37.48 | wegstar | err.. |
| 02:39.09 | spldart | crap. He has 3 totally dissimilar IP's? grr |
| 02:39.22 | spldart | I was going to block part of a subnet |
| 02:40.10 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.27 | spldart | did he come back on the other 2 addy's multiple times... Like they were at least partially static? |
| 02:43.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah they are all static |
| 02:43.56 | JeffM2501 | he just has those Ips |
| 02:44.04 | JeffM2501 | each multiple times |
| 02:44.15 | spldart | sweet |
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| 02:47.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
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| 02:48.11 | MeBigFatGuy | hmm, the master ban message that i get is different than what i would have expected |
| 02:49.23 | TimRiker | yeah, it's different that I'd expect too. |
| 02:50.14 | MeBigFatGuy | mine says something like "you have been kicked because your lag is too high" |
| 02:50.20 | MeBigFatGuy | seems like all the servers use the same message |
| 02:53.33 | TimRiker | I'd expect "You have been kicked cause you claim to be a big fat guy" |
| 02:54.10 | MeBigFatGuy | i think that is violation level 2, as opposed to 1 |
| 02:57.14 | spldart | durrrrr |
| 02:57.17 | spldart | I are teh dumb |
| 02:57.20 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:892a:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 02:57.26 | spldart | forgot to poke a hole through port 81 |
| 02:59.01 | spldart | Jeff asked me to add -publiclist http:mybzorg/db:81 whateva |
| 02:59.17 | spldart | but I didn't get the global login |
| 02:59.22 | spldart | but now I do |
| 02:59.52 | spldart | I still have to type in a /password ****** to become an admin though :( |
| 03:00.09 | TimRiker | I need to make a release for debian. I'm pondering getting 2.0.2 out. thoughts? |
| 03:00.21 | spldart | Where did jeff go :( |
| 03:00.42 | TimRiker | spldart: don't know. |
| 03:00.58 | *** part/#bzflag cosmos (~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org) |
| 03:00.59 | bryjen | .2 has been suggested a few times. I haven't been following close enough to know what keeps putting it off |
| 03:01.03 | TimRiker | what happens if you just use the default on port 80? |
| 03:01.17 | spldart | I was getting intermittent global operation |
| 03:01.22 | TimRiker | bryjen: mostly be being lazy from what I hear. |
| 03:01.22 | spldart | For me and other users |
| 03:02.11 | TimRiker | spldart: well a couple of weeks ago I added some cache pragmas to the db output. that should help folks with transparent proxies a bit. |
| 03:02.23 | spldart | he also recommended I should perhaps try a vc6 build |
| 03:02.59 | TimRiker | if your transparent proxy comes from a different IP than normal internet traffic, then you still have issues and need to use the port 81 setting. |
| 03:03.36 | spldart | That info is slightly above my head. |
| 03:03.56 | spldart | Transparent proxy? |
| 03:04.18 | spldart | I know ports, IP's, write rules in my firewall etc. |
| 03:04.39 | spldart | I have a cable modem which has only changed IP 3 times in the last 3 years. |
| 03:05.14 | spldart | Oh.. I have to run my Abyss personal server on port 91 cuz 80, 81, 8080 were all blocked from that. |
| 03:05.43 | bryjen | its something your ISP might be doing, intercepting web traffic and cacheing results to provide faster answers for duplicate requests |
| 03:05.52 | spldart | Ah |
| 03:05.56 | spldart | That makes sense |
| 03:07.25 | bryjen | ok for static html pages. no so good for the login tokens which are only good once |
| 03:08.42 | TimRiker | spldart: if you're on a cable modem, then your gaming IP is likely to be the same as your web IP, but different than the IP that your computer uses. both should be the IP that the modem uses. |
| 03:09.23 | TimRiker | bryjen: it's only recently that the login stuff started sending pragma no-cache stuff. |
| 03:09.26 | spldart | I have a dedicated machine that server the game, Abyss and runs winroute to protect my lan |
| 03:09.55 | spldart | All the rest of the machines are 192.168.0.1,2,3,4,5,6,7 |
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| 03:10.18 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 03:10.22 | wegstar_dinner | wow.. that's a lot of computers ;) |
| 03:10.32 | TimRiker | the game and list server's won't see your 192.168.x.x addresses. |
| 03:10.38 | spldart | Jeff... I forgot to poke port 81 out. |
| 03:10.54 | spldart | I tried it after that and got a global login... But don't know yet if it's still intermittent |
| 03:11.03 | spldart | I know |
| 03:11.10 | spldart | They just see the game server ip |
| 03:11.36 | TimRiker | spldart: I'd be surprised if moving to port 81 outbound helped at this point. possible, but only if your ISP is running a broken web proxy. |
| 03:11.57 | spldart | I'm a geek with alot of little geeks pitter paddering around the house wegstar ;) |
| 03:12.03 | JeffM2501 | spldart, hope it helps |
| 03:12.12 | spldart | We shall see. |
| 03:12.18 | JeffM2501 | if not let me know and I can try a VC6 build for you |
| 03:12.22 | TimRiker | spldart: well, it's probably you're modem's IP, your game server is likely a 192.168 address port forwarded from the modem's IP. yes? |
| 03:12.42 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:12.49 | TimRiker | s/you're/your/ |
| 03:12.53 | wegstar | spldart: no global logins at your server |
| 03:13.23 | spldart | timriker< bzfs runs on the same machine that is hooked to the cable modem. Along with Abyss and Winroute. |
| 03:13.35 | spldart | That machine then hooks to a 100 meg switch to the rest. |
| 03:13.45 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, he's on 98se, it may have issues with the newer compiler stuff used in VC7.1 |
| 03:13.57 | TimRiker | spldart: is your server listed in the list server? and does the machine with the cable modem know it's real IP? |
| 03:13.58 | JeffM2501 | or maybe problems with the lib of the curl |
| 03:14.21 | spldart | I'm going to have to sit down with my brother and have him explain this libcurl stuff :( |
| 03:15.09 | TimRiker | spldart: does your cable modem have an ethernet port? does it do NAT? or is it usb? or perhaps both but you are using usb at the moment? |
| 03:15.29 | JeffM2501 | usb modems are EVIL |
| 03:15.30 | spldart | cable modem goes usb to the dedicated server. It does Nat for the other machines |
| 03:15.33 | JeffM2501 | they sould be burned |
| 03:15.36 | spldart | LOL |
| 03:15.41 | JeffM2501 | no realy they should |
| 03:15.48 | spldart | It serves me |
| 03:15.57 | TimRiker | spldart: does it also have ethernet? or is it usb only? |
| 03:16.02 | JeffM2501 | not well :) |
| 03:16.11 | spldart | yes it has a ethernet connection too |
| 03:16.31 | spldart | For everyting else...Well |
| 03:16.41 | spldart | And for bzfs... That could be my provider or the OS |
| 03:17.08 | TimRiker | you should get an external router and ditch that winroute stuff. ;-) |
| 03:17.10 | spldart | I'm half expecting them to cut off my connection for the traffic I must be using |
| 03:17.19 | JeffM2501 | I find that ethernet thru a DSL/cable router works a LOT better |
| 03:17.22 | spldart | I love winroute. :( |
| 03:17.23 | JeffM2501 | oh your on winroute? |
| 03:17.27 | JeffM2501 | oh I am so very sorry |
| 03:17.40 | spldart | It works great |
| 03:17.46 | JeffM2501 | not for bzfs |
| 03:17.52 | JeffM2501 | or any other routing or hosting |
| 03:17.58 | spldart | All I had to do is an internal port forward. |
| 03:18.00 | JeffM2501 | hardware router allways better |
| 03:18.13 | spldart | All packets coming in on port 5123 stay and the server. |
| 03:18.31 | spldart | and = at |
| 03:18.35 | TimRiker | spldart: did you use a -i option to bzfs ? |
| 03:18.44 | JeffM2501 | it's not that secure, the server box can still be exploited |
| 03:18.47 | JeffM2501 | and it uses CPU |
| 03:18.47 | spldart | lemme check don't remember that one |
| 03:18.50 | JeffM2501 | it's not fast |
| 03:19.06 | spldart | never been cracked once I started using it. |
| 03:19.22 | JeffM2501 | how would you know? :) |
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| 03:19.56 | TimRiker | spldart: try adding -i <your ip> on the command line or in your .conf. |
| 03:20.02 | spldart | I got attacked twice and my server was turned into a bot |
| 03:20.09 | spldart | No -i |
| 03:20.11 | JeffM2501 | do what tim says |
| 03:20.12 | spldart | will add |
| 03:20.24 | JeffM2501 | but realy I used winroute for a while, much happyer with the firebox |
| 03:20.29 | spldart | once I got winroute I invited an attack |
| 03:20.32 | spldart | nobody got in |
| 03:20.52 | JeffM2501 | have I ever told anyone to not do what you say? |
| 03:20.59 | TimRiker | heh jk |
| 03:21.05 | spldart | ok |
| 03:21.06 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 03:21.11 | spldart | gotta restart bzfs |
| 03:21.15 | spldart | added the -i |
| 03:21.51 | spldart | it crashed out immeadiately |
| 03:21.58 | TimRiker | what did you add? |
| 03:21.59 | spldart | doesn't recognize -i |
| 03:22.55 | TimRiker | ~dns cpe-67-10-210-195.houston.res.rr.com |
| 03:23.13 | spldart | trying again with -i 67.10.210.195 |
| 03:23.15 | TimRiker | you added "-i 67.10.210.195" ? |
| 03:23.45 | TimRiker | bzfs is not liking your winroute. |
| 03:23.58 | TimRiker | the box also has a 192.168.0.x ip? try that one. |
| 03:24.12 | spldart | It's running this time... Must have mistyped last time |
| 03:24.30 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5123 |
| 03:24.31 | JeffM2501 | winroute blows |
| 03:24.44 | JeffM2501 | wiht a real router, the server only needs 1 nic |
| 03:24.48 | JeffM2501 | much cleaner |
| 03:24.49 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5144 |
| 03:24.58 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5155 |
| 03:25.04 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery 67.10.210.195:5154 |
| 03:25.07 | spldart | I'm port 5123 |
| 03:25.29 | TimRiker | why not the default port? |
| 03:25.47 | JeffM2501 | 5123 has more fung shue |
| 03:25.49 | spldart | Dunno. It was still within the range I saw |
| 03:25.55 | spldart | fung shue? |
| 03:26.00 | spldart | Want me to change it? |
| 03:26.30 | TimRiker | should not make a difference, but in general using the default registered port is a Good Thing. |
| 03:26.51 | spldart | what does -i do? |
| 03:26.52 | JeffM2501 | bzfs will work on any port |
| 03:27.02 | JeffM2501 | tells the server what interface to bind to |
| 03:27.05 | JeffM2501 | when you have more then one nic |
| 03:27.11 | JeffM2501 | don't think it does anything on windows tho |
| 03:27.22 | spldart | I only have one nic |
| 03:27.25 | orange | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 03:27.30 | JeffM2501 | no you don't |
| 03:27.33 | spldart | unless your counting the usb to the cable |
| 03:27.33 | JeffM2501 | your USB modem |
| 03:27.34 | orange | JeffM2501: thank you very much for your help selecting a new video card |
| 03:27.35 | JeffM2501 | is a NIC |
| 03:27.39 | spldart | ic |
| 03:27.42 | JeffM2501 | orange, what did you get? |
| 03:27.57 | orange | my geforce fx5500 256M now runs at 120fps with everything at max |
| 03:28.07 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 03:28.12 | JeffM2501 | looked to be a good price for that card too |
| 03:28.23 | orange | yeah, about $75 |
| 03:28.36 | orange | I've never gotten over 40fps with even the lowest settingst |
| 03:28.47 | spldart | crud.... Didn't get a global login that time |
| 03:28.54 | JeffM2501 | what did you have before? |
| 03:29.05 | orange | ATI R128 |
| 03:29.30 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah big change |
| 03:29.42 | JeffM2501 | you actualy HAVE a GPU now |
| 03:29.50 | orange | heh, yeah, when I bought the box I didn't play bzflag (or any other 3D games) |
| 03:30.17 | JeffM2501 | 5500 should hold you for a good long while |
| 03:30.32 | orange | but I did make sure I got an AGP slot, rather than integrated graphics, so at least I was thinking a little ahead :-) |
| 03:30.40 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 03:30.41 | orange | yeah, seems great |
| 03:30.58 | orange | anyway, thanks... I'm off to watch some graphic goodness |
| 03:31.01 | JeffM2501 | if it's not an nforce chipset, onboard usualy sucks |
| 03:31.06 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 03:31.37 | JeffM2501 | hah, call of honor blocked me from his AIM, I guess that shows me. |
| 03:33.42 | spldart | lol |
| 03:34.01 | bryjen | its nothing you haven't seen before ;) |
| 03:34.22 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah he's just too l33tz0r for me |
| 03:35.14 | spldart | He can't even see my server any more :muwahahahaha: |
| 03:35.29 | JeffM2501 | he can see it |
| 03:35.38 | JeffM2501 | on the list server |
| 03:35.42 | JeffM2501 | he just cant connect |
| 03:35.49 | spldart | not what I meant |
| 03:36.03 | spldart | he can't see abyss |
| 03:36.11 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 03:36.19 | spldart | Abyss personal web server |
| 03:36.23 | spldart | On my machine |
| 03:36.26 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 03:36.28 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 03:36.29 | spldart | he can't even ping me |
| 03:36.36 | spldart | it will get dropped |
| 03:36.38 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 03:36.59 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 worse punishments that can be bestowed |
| 03:37.05 | JeffM2501 | but those will have to wait and see |
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| 04:21.38 | TimRiker | so anyone feeling like a 2.0.2? |
| 04:21.47 | sgk284 | yey |
| 04:21.51 | sgk284 | sounds good |
| 04:22.04 | sgk284 | with current cvs? |
| 04:23.26 | JeffM2501 | isnt' there still an issue with ares/adns? |
| 04:23.43 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, i was just going to say that |
| 04:23.49 | sgk284 | :) |
| 04:23.55 | TimRiker | are we any worse than we were in 2.0.2 there? |
| 04:23.59 | TimRiker | er 2.0.0 ? |
| 04:24.07 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, dunno if i told you earlier but the issue is with lib curl |
| 04:24.21 | sgk284 | i installed 7.13.1 last night and am rebuilding right now |
| 04:24.27 | TimRiker | ie: adns still works as well as it did afaik, but ares is coming down the pipe. |
| 04:24.37 | sgk284 | TimRiker, on my machine the list and game servers cant be reached |
| 04:24.48 | sgk284 | libcurl is shooting out an error 6 |
| 04:24.53 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, for you yes, but the issue is if we include ares instead of adns |
| 04:25.00 | TimRiker | sgk284: win cvs? and thar worked under 2.0.0? |
| 04:25.02 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 04:25.07 | TimRiker | er with cvs.. |
| 04:25.09 | JeffM2501 | there is also sportchicks jitter issue |
| 04:25.23 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: again, no worse than 2.0.0, correct? |
| 04:25.33 | sgk284 | timriker, yea a build from mid february works fine, a build from last week or even today wont work |
| 04:25.49 | sgk284 | at least on my machine, i'm the only one seeing this :/ |
| 04:25.52 | Aribeth | lol |
| 04:25.53 | TimRiker | sgk284: hmm. that's not good. |
| 04:25.53 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, dono |
| 04:26.10 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, win or lin? and who built with what? |
| 04:26.10 | Aribeth | hi SP |
| 04:26.28 | SportChick | hiya ari |
| 04:26.33 | sgk284 | linux, and just a standard build |
| 04:26.33 | TimRiker | sgk284: you've tried rebuilding the old version? or at least reinstalling the release version and those work ok? |
| 04:26.41 | sgk284 | TimRiker, yes |
| 04:26.54 | TimRiker | sgk284: ldd on your new binary show libadns? |
| 04:27.25 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, tim wans to know if the jitter is the same as 2.0.0? |
| 04:27.35 | SportChick | JeffM2501: afaik, yes |
| 04:27.57 | SportChick | it seems the same to me, but again, it's other people seeing it - I usually only see it in the stats |
| 04:28.20 | JeffM2501 | he's talking about making a 2.0.2 |
| 04:28.23 | JeffM2501 | with CVS |
| 04:28.31 | sgk284 | timriker, i just did a make clean and am rebuild with 7.13.1, i'll check asap when its done |
| 04:28.42 | sgk284 | s/rebuild/rebuilding |
| 04:28.53 | SportChick | iirc, 2.0.2 would include the nr fix, right? /me thinks a release just to fix that would be worth it |
| 04:28.54 | TimRiker | under the possibly mistaken belief that we are no worse than 2.0.0 now and quite a few things are better. |
| 04:29.02 | sgk284 | lol |
| 04:29.24 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.2 would have everthing that is in 2.0.1b4 and more |
| 04:29.30 | SportChick | TimRiker: I believe the jitter is the same or only marginally worse |
| 04:29.43 | sgk284 | TimRiker, there have been a ton of bug fixes so it is probably still worth it:) |
| 04:29.52 | TimRiker | my linux build still uses libadns and the c-ares stuff is ignored (default options) |
| 04:29.58 | sgk284 | i'd like to clear up my current problem though :) |
| 04:30.09 | TimRiker | sgk284: agreed. |
| 04:30.30 | sgk284 | the only thing bzflag can see is localhost :/ |
| 04:30.36 | sgk284 | curl works fine from the command line |
| 04:30.45 | TimRiker | SportChick: ie cvs might be worse than 2.0.0 there? that's not good to hear, but you say only trivially worse? |
| 04:30.48 | sgk284 | i can grab the list with it from the command line |
| 04:31.08 | TimRiker | sgk284: strace it? or ltrace it? |
| 04:31.13 | bzflagwiz | . |
| 04:31.29 | SportChick | TimRiker: IF it is worse, it is only minimally worse. I'm not saying it is - since it does vary, it's hard to tell |
| 04:31.37 | TimRiker | SportChick: ok. |
| 04:32.13 | sgk284 | TimRiker, i'll do an ltrace when its built |
| 04:32.20 | SportChick | TimRiker: however, I will say that if my jitter isn't fixed soon, I will find myself out in the cold. many servers are now asking me to leave within a couple of minutes after I join |
| 04:33.07 | sgk284 | SportChick, we'll figure it out, dont worry:) |
| 04:33.09 | orange | SportChick: that livecd will be a great help towards troubleshooting it |
| 04:33.11 | SportChick | TimRiker: have you seen my jitter? |
| 04:33.25 | sgk284 | yea sporty, grab the knoppix games cd and run it from there |
| 04:33.39 | TimRiker | SportChick: I'm seeing similar issues once in a while. I've not looked into it though. Did we find when it got more broken? I thought the plan was to keep backing up in the 1.11 releases till it went away. |
| 04:33.46 | sgk284 | unless someone made a live cd just for bzflag that i dont know about |
| 04:33.46 | orange | sgk284: does it have 2.0.x? |
| 04:33.47 | JeffM2501 | why would old versions work for her then? |
| 04:33.55 | JeffM2501 | I doubt it's the OS |
| 04:33.56 | sgk284 | orange, oh yea i think its 1.10.6 |
| 04:34.02 | orange | sgk284: jpa is going to work on one |
| 04:34.09 | sgk284 | k |
| 04:34.16 | JeffM2501 | saying "it's windows" is a cop out |
| 04:34.25 | SportChick | TimRiker: I don't think that ever happened - for a number of reasons. I need a server owner to completely devote time and space to me to run the old versions so i'm compatible. |
| 04:34.37 | Aribeth | Tim, SportChick's jitter is bad. I have seen it |
| 04:34.48 | SportChick | secondly, there is a concern that the stats may be borking up the testing |
| 04:35.06 | TimRiker | SportChick: explain? |
| 04:35.11 | SportChick | explain which |
| 04:35.19 | JeffM2501 | the jitter stat does a smoothing |
| 04:35.20 | TimRiker | which stats, and what testing? |
| 04:35.22 | JeffM2501 | it's not a real hard stat |
| 04:35.34 | JeffM2501 | chestal has this logritmic smoothing algo |
| 04:35.52 | JeffM2501 | the jutter number does not compare to her visiable performance |
| 04:35.54 | orange | saying it's windows is a cop out, but if you can find out it works fine on the same hardware/network under a different OS, you can narrow things down |
| 04:35.55 | SportChick | TimRiker: we tried changing my settings one by one to see how it affects jitter. but the only consistent baseline to look at is the jitter stat. |
| 04:36.00 | TimRiker | ah. would be easy to add a debug option to print it every time it's calculated. |
| 04:36.10 | sgk284 | TimRiker, it may also be worth noting that when sporty logged on to hepcat, she would continuously kick everybody off the server, i think someone said it was a bad stl though |
| 04:36.27 | sgk284 | SportChick, is that right? |
| 04:36.30 | SportChick | sgk284: hey, don't be blaming THAT on me |
| 04:36.35 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 04:36.38 | sgk284 | i'm not:) |
| 04:36.38 | TimRiker | heh |
| 04:36.43 | SportChick | I think it was something in the beta code they were running |
| 04:36.45 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, that's what I sugestd |
| 04:36.51 | sgk284 | yea so thats a non issue |
| 04:36.52 | JeffM2501 | that somone have a client that logs the real lag |
| 04:36.58 | JeffM2501 | so the jitter can be seen |
| 04:37.25 | SportChick | if I logged on using global recognition, then everyone would get kicked. If I altered password so it didn't work, then it was fine |
| 04:37.31 | Aribeth | JeffM2501, yes |
| 04:38.03 | JeffM2501 | MeBigFatGuy was the last on to look at that calc, I think that he could make a code change to log it |
| 04:38.26 | SportChick | orange: I'd be shocked if it were my OS. The difference I saw was a significant change from 1.10.8 to 2.0.0 |
| 04:38.45 | orange | SportChick: not that it's the OS's fault, just some interaction that was previously not there |
| 04:39.43 | TimRiker | however, my question is still is cvs now any worse than 2.0.0? |
| 04:40.09 | TimRiker | sounds like for jitter, we're still the same (which is unfortunate, but not 2.0.2 release blocking) |
| 04:40.33 | SportChick | TimRiker: it's hard for me to give any definitive answers about my jitter. I don't generally see it, although the stats will be high. Other times, the stats are low and people say I'm impossible to see/hit |
| 04:40.52 | SportChick | TimRiker: my other concern is the nr issue. is that indeed fixed in cvs? |
| 04:41.06 | JeffM2501 | if it's unplayable then it could be considered an unfixed 2.0 introuduced bug |
| 04:41.09 | TimRiker | SportChick: nod. I'll look into adding some more in client reporting. but I won't get to it tonight. |
| 04:41.42 | TimRiker | I have to do a debian release and I'm debating one of: 2.0.0 plus patches, cvs, tagging 2.0.2 in cvs. |
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| 04:42.47 | TimRiker | SportChick: there are a number of nr and server crash fixes in cvs. likely there are still more nr bugs, but cvs should be better than 2.0.0 |
| 04:43.22 | SportChick | TimRiker: I would be grateful for any help you cna provide in isolating/fixing my jitter bug |
| 04:43.34 | SportChick | I'm happy to meet you on any server so you can get a look at it |
| 04:43.43 | SportChick | it takes a couple of minutes for it to kick in full force |
| 04:44.19 | TimRiker | SportChick: any server work? ie: does it happen on one.b.o:5153 ? |
| 04:44.31 | SportChick | it happens on every server afaik |
| 04:44.39 | SportChick | what is that server? full name? |
| 04:45.10 | bryjen | .b.o is rikerese for .bzflag.org |
| 04:45.35 | jpa_ | morning |
| 04:45.52 | Thumper_ | good night jpa |
| 04:46.00 | jpa_ | morning thumper |
| 04:46.35 | MeBigFatGuy | as i recall the jitter started out small, and then just grew unboundedly |
| 04:47.18 | wegstar | what's this "jitter" people are talking about? |
| 04:47.49 | JeffM2501 | it's suposed to be the change in your lag over time |
| 04:47.54 | TimRiker | ~dict jitter |
| 04:48.03 | wegstar | ah |
| 04:48.11 | JeffM2501 | basicly how far "off" your position is due to network latency |
| 04:48.56 | brlcad | http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3jtrbg.htm |
| 04:48.57 | jpa_ | ah, now even jpa_ understood it completely :) |
| 04:49.10 | sgk284 | heh |
| 04:49.17 | brlcad | the jitterbug will get ya |
| 04:49.28 | jpa_ | i was wondering before, what does it matter when the packets arrive, the position won't change |
| 04:49.39 | sgk284 | ~brlcad++ |
| 04:49.45 | jpa_ | but true enough, it does |
| 04:50.01 | JeffM2501 | the positon in the packet is only valid for the time when it was sent |
| 04:50.04 | JeffM2501 | not the time it arives |
| 04:50.12 | JeffM2501 | since you will have moved in that time |
| 04:50.15 | jpa_ | yup |
| 04:50.18 | sgk284 | happy st patricks day jpa, spread the love in finland |
| 04:50.20 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 04:50.56 | jpa_ | won't :) |
| 04:51.01 | sgk284 | lol |
| 04:54.16 | spldart | Bye all |
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| 04:54.33 | jpa_ | bye pepople, school waits |
| 04:54.56 | jpa_ | or actually, school doesn't wait, so i have to go now |
| 04:55.14 | wegstar | ... :) |
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| 04:58.33 | sgk284 | i mentioned this earlier but didnt get too many responses, what are people's thoughts on rendering radar once into a buffer and then just displaying and rotating the 2d graphics while plopping the tanks and bullets on top of the image? |
| 04:59.03 | JeffM2501 | it won't let you do the change to alpha based on depth thing |
| 04:59.10 | JeffM2501 | IIRC that's all fast radar does now |
| 04:59.12 | sgk284 | a bug i've been getting cc'd on has gotten some traffic lately in regards to radar slowing everything down |
| 04:59.20 | sgk284 | oh really? |
| 04:59.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:59.30 | JeffM2501 | you know ther are like 3 radar modes right? |
| 04:59.33 | sgk284 | i knew the alpha thing wouldnt work, i didnt know this is what fast radar did |
| 04:59.36 | sgk284 | yea |
| 04:59.49 | JeffM2501 | fast radar uses textures and stuff |
| 05:00.14 | sgk284 | hrmph okay |
| 05:00.20 | JeffM2501 | test it tho |
| 05:00.36 | JeffM2501 | GL dosn't realy have a "Buffer" concept, you'd ahve to render to a texture |
| 05:00.38 | sgk284 | i had replied to a the bug to use fast radar, and i think at least one person said they did and it didnt help |
| 05:00.41 | JeffM2501 | then spinn the texture |
| 05:00.43 | sgk284 | okay |
| 05:00.52 | JeffM2501 | usualy those peopel have slow texture rendering |
| 05:01.00 | JeffM2501 | so don't know if it woudl help |
| 05:01.09 | sgk284 | yea it was during my finals week so i didnt look into it too much |
| 05:01.23 | JeffM2501 | it woudl also use a lot of ram for a large buffer |
| 05:01.57 | JeffM2501 | more then likely it's the text rendering in the conosle that slows them down |
| 05:02.17 | JeffM2501 | render to a texture wouldn't hurt to try as a test tho |
| 05:02.29 | sgk284 | okay |
| 05:05.48 | TimRiker | did 1.10.6 share the same udp and tcp port on the client? /me does not recall. |
| 05:06.04 | JeffM2501 | I think that was changed in 1.10.x |
| 05:08.30 | TimRiker | sgk284: still not resolving names? |
| 05:08.59 | MeBigFatGuy | i think so |
| 05:09.05 | TimRiker | sgk284: just for kicks. chown the binary to root:root and then still run it as you. /me ponders the effects of SE voodoo. |
| 05:09.19 | SportChick | ~bryjen++ |
| 05:09.25 | MeBigFatGuy | SportChick, does the problem still exhibit itself when running on a local machine? |
| 05:09.35 | MeBigFatGuy | server being local i mean |
| 05:09.55 | SportChick | MeBigFatGuy: iirc, we tried that last time I was in berkeley and yes, it still happened, I think. is that what you remember, jeffm2501? |
| 05:10.13 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 05:10.45 | TimRiker | SportChick: you need to keep notes on this... =( |
| 05:11.11 | SportChick | MeBigFatGuy: I'm 99.8% sure we tried that, and that's why they decided we needed to test other versions. cuz it didn't make a diff locally |
| 05:11.27 | MeBigFatGuy | wow thats bad |
| 05:11.46 | SportChick | TimRiker: yeah, I know. the problem is twofold: (1) I thought someone else was and (2) I've been doing a lot of testing in two diff places, so hard to keep track of stuff |
| 05:12.05 | SportChick | and (3) I thought it woud have been fixed long before this, so I figured I'd be able to remember what we'd done |
| 05:12.14 | DTRemenak | everything's in the irc logs, could just grep for anytime SportChick has spoken :) |
| 05:12.26 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 05:12.27 | SportChick | DTRemenak: :( now I feel like a complainer |
| 05:12.44 | DTRemenak | SportChick: not intended that way at all. usually it's other people that bring it up |
| 05:13.02 | DTRemenak | you've been very patient |
| 05:13.08 | SportChick | DTRemenak: not always though. as you know, my frustration has been increasing exponentially |
| 05:14.06 | DTRemenak | yeah, you bring it up sometimes...but that keeps us on our toes :) |
| 05:14.19 | SportChick | DTRemenak: you are too kind and you know it |
| 05:14.20 | SportChick | :) |
| 05:16.02 | sgk284 | timriker, still not resolving, i'll give the chown a shot |
| 05:17.45 | MeBigFatGuy | who sure likes to post maps |
| 05:17.56 | sgk284 | you? |
| 05:18.02 | sgk284 | :) |
| 05:18.12 | MeBigFatGuy | no 'who' |
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| 05:18.37 | sgk284 | no, who is on third |
| 05:18.38 | MeBigFatGuy | as in 'whos on first' |
| 05:18.42 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:19.07 | sgk284 | what is on first |
| 05:19.10 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 05:21.07 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:21.18 | sgk284 | you're jitter is confusing enough ;) |
| 05:21.26 | SportChick | grrrr |
| 05:21.33 | SportChick | ~lart sgk284 for being a brat |
| 05:22.10 | sgk284 | ~bzfrag SportChick |
| 05:22.12 | ibot | ACTION skewers SportChick with a super bullet |
| 05:22.44 | DTRemenak | ~bzfrag sgk284 |
| 05:22.46 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill sgk284, but finds the shield flag |
| 05:22.49 | DTRemenak | bah |
| 05:22.50 | sgk284 | ha! |
| 05:22.52 | sgk284 | i win |
| 05:22.56 | wegstar | heh |
| 05:23.18 | sgk284 | SportChick, your so jittery you'll probably be kicked before you can ;) |
| 05:23.30 | DTRemenak | eeep |
| 05:23.50 | DTRemenak | sgk284: you better be careful, someone's likely to give SC ops if you're not careful :) |
| 05:23.54 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:24.09 | orange | hmmm, I guess she's GoodSportChick tonight |
| 05:24.13 | bzflagwiz | . |
| 05:24.17 | sgk284 | just some friendly jesting :) |
| 05:24.17 | SportChick | hehe |
| 05:24.24 | SportChick | ~hugs sgk284 |
| 05:24.29 | wegstar | , |
| 05:24.35 | sgk284 | ~hugs SportChick |
| 05:25.11 | sgk284 | last time something like this happened me and SportChick kicked eachother from secretplace, good times |
| 05:25.16 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 05:25.29 | SportChick | hehe |
| 05:25.45 | SportChick | sgk284: now everyone just kicks me from secretplace, period. I don't even get to shoot them first |
| 05:25.54 | sgk284 | if i upate cvs to like a month ago, do i have to run configure again? |
| 05:26.09 | DTRemenak | sgk284: likely |
| 05:26.17 | sgk284 | aww sporty is being discriminated against :*( |
| 05:26.51 | DTRemenak | SportChick: you could get a little script that when you signed on would automatically kick any other admins...preemptive strike :) |
| 05:26.53 | SportChick | yeah! aren't there anti-discrimination laws in bzflag for poor defenseless folks with jitter? |
| 05:27.01 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 05:27.04 | SportChick | DTRemenak: now THAT would be funny |
| 05:27.10 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:27.31 | orange | you laugh, but I guarantee you could find some attorney who would take the case |
| 05:27.43 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:27.51 | SportChick | orange: pffft! watch what you say about attorneys in HERE |
| 05:28.10 | orange | SportChick: like all professions, there are good and bad |
| 05:28.17 | DTRemenak | for (i = 0; i < currentPlayers; i++) if (player[i].hasAdmin) kick(player[i], "You shall not kick me for my jitter"); |
| 05:28.37 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:28.38 | orange | it's just that in the legal profession, the bad (unethical) ones can do a lot of damage |
| 05:29.57 | SportChick | orange: if anyone is unethical in any profession, it's an issue |
| 05:30.42 | DTRemenak | Kicked player: HighKarateKitty (You shall not kick me for my jitter) Kicked player: wiz (You shall not kick me for my jitter) Kicked player: sgk284 (You shall not kick me for my jitter) |
| 05:31.30 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 05:32.20 | sgk284 | SportChick, is being president considered a profession ;) |
| 05:33.06 | sgk284 | must be cause of st. patty's day |
| 05:33.40 | sgk284 | haha |
| 05:35.24 | wegstar | ow! |
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| 05:37.25 | DTRemenak | sgk284: but have you caught a leprechaun? |
| 05:37.40 | sgk284 | many, my clsoet is stuffed with them |
| 05:37.51 | DTRemenak | mm, stuffed leprechauns |
| 05:38.00 | sgk284 | they arent allowed out until they tell me where their pots of gold are |
| 05:38.10 | sgk284 | of course they cant even do that until it rains and there is a rainbow |
| 05:38.16 | sgk284 | hopefully they wont starve |
| 05:38.19 | creeperz | i dont care about the gold |
| 05:38.26 | creeperz | i just want the pot |
| 05:38.28 | creeperz | ... |
| 05:38.29 | DTRemenak | if they're always stuffed, they won't starve |
| 05:38.42 | sgk284 | okay, i assume you have experience with this so i'll trust you |
| 05:38.47 | DTRemenak | creeperz: oddly, I figured you would say that :) |
| 05:38.59 | creeperz | heh |
| 05:39.09 | SportChick | gnight all |
| 05:39.14 | DTRemenak | g'night sc |
| 05:39.16 | bzflagwiz | bye Sporty |
| 05:39.36 | Aribeth | g'night SportChick |
| 05:39.44 | sgk284 | g night sporty |
| 05:39.51 | DTRemenak | ~SportChick++ |
| 05:40.00 | sgk284 | no hard feelings :) i didnt mean to offend if i did |
| 05:40.03 | Aribeth | ~SportChick++ |
| 05:40.15 | sgk284 | ugh ibot wont let me! |
| 05:40.17 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:40.24 | JeffM2501 | 4 seconds |
| 05:40.27 | sgk284 | ~SportChick++ |
| 05:40.32 | sgk284 | :) |
| 05:40.37 | wegstar | ~karma SportChick |
| 05:40.37 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 85 |
| 05:40.55 | Aribeth | ~karma Aribeth |
| 05:40.55 | ibot | aribeth has karma of 11 |
| 05:41.01 | Aribeth | wow |
| 05:41.06 | bzflagwiz | ~karma bzflagwiz |
| 05:41.06 | ibot | bzflagwiz has neutral karma |
| 05:41.15 | wegstar | ~karma wegstar |
| 05:41.15 | ibot | wegstar has karma of 7 |
| 05:41.15 | bzflagwiz | ~dict wiz |
| 05:41.22 | bzflagwiz | :) |
| 05:42.13 | wegstar | -lcurldll" |
| 05:42.22 | wegstar | or something similar.. is it required? |
| 05:42.35 | MeBigFatGuy | hmm, bzflag should be able to draw rainbows |
| 05:42.57 | DTRemenak | ~bzflagwiz |
| 05:42.58 | ibot | 'bzflagwiz' someone who is dazzlingly unskilled on the battlefield |
| 05:43.20 | bzflagwiz | so much for compensating for my feelings of inadequacy :( |
| 05:43.24 | sgk284 | haha |
| 05:43.24 | DTRemenak | ~forget bzflagwiz |
| 05:43.24 | ibot | DTRemenak: i forgot bzflagwiz |
| 05:43.31 | wegstar | anyone? |
| 05:43.36 | wegstar | ~seen Lan |
| 05:43.37 | ibot | lan <~ahaha@dcn234-29.dcn.davis.ca.us> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 105d 7h 11m 41s ago, saying: 'I need help'. |
| 05:43.45 | DTRemenak | ~seen lan56 |
| 05:43.46 | ibot | lan56 <lan56@h-68-167-2-234.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 9d 2h 28m 9s ago, saying: 'brlcad: that's quite stunning'. |
| 05:43.53 | wegstar | ah..oops :) |
| 05:43.55 | bzflagwiz | wegstar: are you referring to libcurl.dll? |
| 05:44.04 | wegstar | err.. no |
| 05:44.14 | DTRemenak | wegstar: it should be -lcurl only |
| 05:44.21 | wegstar | oh.. no wonder... |
| 05:44.36 | wegstar | I removed it and it worked :) |
| 05:44.49 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 05:46.20 | DTRemenak | write it up as a patch, post it on sf, and see how long it takes lan to apologize profusely :) |
| 05:46.44 | DTRemenak | geez. I'm sure feeling mean tonight. |
| 05:47.00 | wegstar | err... |
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| 05:50.44 | TimRiker | sgk284: any progress? |
| 05:51.20 | sgk284 | its been confirmed to have happened before 03/01/05 and i think after 02/02/05 but i'm reconfirming the second date to make sure |
| 05:51.28 | sgk284 | next will be 02/15/05 |
| 05:51.53 | DTRemenak | yay for binary searches |
| 05:51.53 | TimRiker | sgk284: still no strace? can you strace anything else? |
| 05:51.55 | sgk284 | unfortunately my laptop takes forever to build stuff |
| 05:52.09 | DTRemenak | sgk284: using ccache? |
| 05:52.17 | wegstar | whats the difference between a .lib file and a .a file? |
| 05:52.19 | sgk284 | i tried stracing vim and sort with no success so that makes me wonder if i'm doing something wrong with it |
| 05:52.36 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, i'm not familiar with ccache |
| 05:52.45 | sgk284 | ~ccache |
| 05:52.46 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ccache is a compiler cache that speeds up re-compilations of same sourcecodes where only some have different sourcefiles, see http://ccache.samba.org/ and also look for distcc |
| 05:53.00 | DTRemenak | very useful for this kind of thing |
| 05:53.00 | sgk284 | heh nice |
| 05:53.19 | sgk284 | arent makfile supposed to do that? :) only recompile what needs to be recompiled |
| 05:53.21 | DTRemenak | it only compiles differences. speeds up re-runs of configure a lot |
| 05:53.28 | sgk284 | cool |
| 05:53.55 | DTRemenak | MeBigFatGuy: not the same as ccache does |
| 05:54.05 | MeBigFatGuy | at the method level? |
| 05:54.27 | wegstar | whats the difference between a .lib file and a .a file? |
| 05:54.29 | DTRemenak | if you change a #define, for instance, ccache will only recompile files which actually USE that definition, rather than all that include the header |
| 05:54.43 | MeBigFatGuy | ah |
| 05:54.47 | DTRemenak | since it's post-pre-processor |
| 05:54.56 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, how can i see if i have ccache installed? |
| 05:54.58 | TimRiker | wegstar: not much. please don't re-ask the same ? |
| 05:55.05 | DTRemenak | likewise changing comments results in an instant recompile |
| 05:55.07 | wegstar | ok... |
| 05:55.14 | DTRemenak | sgk284: try typing ccache -s at the prompt |
| 05:55.33 | DTRemenak | it takes quite a bit of disk space, but it's worth it in time savings |
| 05:55.55 | sgk284 | k |
| 05:56.28 | TimRiker | ccache basically does a md5sum of the pre-processed file. if it matches the old one it just copies the old .o over and skips the compile. |
| 05:56.30 | DTRemenak | oh, and changing whitespace results in no recompile also :) |
| 05:56.43 | wegstar | but the two files differ by 227 kB... |
| 05:56.55 | MeBigFatGuy | youd have to have a pretty big project to make it worth it i would think |
| 05:56.58 | DTRemenak | wegstar: they're probably built for different purposes |
| 05:57.07 | DTRemenak | MeBigFatGuy: bzflag is plenty big enough |
| 05:57.11 | MeBigFatGuy | ? |
| 05:57.11 | wegstar | libcurl.a and libcurl.lib |
| 05:57.18 | MeBigFatGuy | really? |
| 05:57.19 | sgk284 | okay i have some wierdness going on now, but hopefully it well help rather then hinder the situation |
| 05:57.29 | MeBigFatGuy | bz compiles in like 20secs |
| 05:57.34 | DTRemenak | !?! |
| 05:57.35 | guu | Dunno. |
| 05:57.49 | sgk284 | i have a binary build from 02/02/05 that works fine, i just pulled cvs from 02/01/05 compiled and it doesn't work |
| 05:57.52 | DTRemenak | after changing common.h, it takes about 12 minutes to recompile here |
| 05:57.57 | MeBigFatGuy | ooof |
| 05:58.02 | MeBigFatGuy | wow |
| 05:58.03 | TimRiker | wegstar: there are various .lib and .a formats. most of them are just globbed together .o files (or .obj) some have indexes for the exported symbols, some do not. some have datestamps, some do not. |
| 05:58.05 | sgk284 | that has to mean something, right? :) |
| 05:58.13 | wegstar | hmm |
| 05:58.51 | wegstar | whatver.. I'll leave lan56 to solve this mess :P |
| 05:58.56 | TimRiker | sgk284: what else has changed on your machine? any updates to your toolchain installed? |
| 05:59.19 | TimRiker | which compiler release are you using now? |
| 05:59.48 | sgk284 | 3.4.2 |
| 05:59.57 | DTRemenak | bzflagwiz: if you're using it from the commandline (MSYS) it will |
| 06:00.27 | sgk284 | other updates to the system are likely but to be honest i cant recall everything for the past month and a half, maybe there is a log somewhere |
| 06:00.30 | bzflagwiz | that's what I'm doing, although I've been thinking about trying Dev-C++ as well for the IDE features... |
| 06:00.36 | sgk284 | perhaps i'll just remove libcurl and reinstall |
| 06:02.04 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:04.22 | sgk284 | g' night |
| 06:04.57 | bzflagwiz | I know my "flying tanks - all the time" patch can't be in any 2.0.x versions, but has anyone tried it out yet? |
| 06:05.16 | sgk284 | bzflagwiz, did you ever make the changes? |
| 06:05.18 | bzflagwiz | 'night DTR |
| 06:05.31 | bzflagwiz | sgk: which changes? |
| 06:06.05 | *** part/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 06:06.16 | sgk284 | name change, and the fixes with someother flags like OO |
| 06:06.57 | bzflagwiz | I didn't add the flyingTanks feature to the ServerMenu.cxx, but everything else is good. Including changing the option name to -flyingTanks and it works "as expected" with OO |
| 06:07.47 | sgk284 | k, once i get my bzflag working again i'll check it out |
| 06:07.56 | sgk284 | have you talked to tim riker about it yet? |
| 06:08.21 | bzflagwiz | No - I never seem to be paying attention to IRC when he's around :) |
| 06:08.28 | sgk284 | TimRiker, you lurking around? |
| 06:08.36 | MeBigFatGuy | i smell him |
| 06:08.52 | sgk284 | he's hiding in the bushes, i see the white of his eyes |
| 06:08.53 | bzflagwiz | BTW - what is a good IRC client for windows - i'm using mIRC, and I don't really like it |
| 06:08.58 | sgk284 | xchat |
| 06:09.00 | MeBigFatGuy | i use xchat |
| 06:09.32 | wegstar | windows? |
| 06:09.37 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
| 06:09.38 | wegstar | use Chatzilla |
| 06:09.48 | wegstar | or virc |
| 06:09.58 | wegstar | though it is buggy... |
| 06:10.04 | bzflagwiz | cool - I'll try xchat |
| 06:10.23 | bzflagwiz | is chatzilla part of the mozilla suite, and is it downloadable separately from the suite? |
| 06:10.38 | wegstar | err.. its an extension |
| 06:11.21 | wegstar | umm.. get it at https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/ |
| 06:11.39 | wegstar | I'm using chatzilla right now |
| 06:11.50 | bzflagwiz | hmmm - says it needs Mozilla, I assume firefox isn't acceptable for chatzilla purposes... |
| 06:11.56 | wegstar | yes |
| 06:12.06 | wegstar | no you don't |
| 06:12.24 | wegstar | "Top Rated Firefox Extensions" |
| 06:12.51 | bzflagwiz | ok - well, anything has to be better than mIRC :) |
| 06:12.54 | wegstar | err.. direct link |
| 06:12.56 | wegstar | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/extensions/chatzilla/chatzilla-0.9.67-fx+mz.xpi |
| 06:13.13 | wegstar | you are using firefox right? |
| 06:13.40 | bzflagwiz | webstar: yes, I'm using firefox, although I need to upgraded to 1.1... |
| 06:13.52 | wegstar | do so... |
| 06:14.31 | wegstar | we'b'star? |
| 06:14.32 | sgk284 | TimRiker, bzflagwiz has a patch that would allow tanks in a server to always have wings powers, like constant jumping but with wings, while also being able to use other flags, whats your feelings on it? |
| 06:14.44 | bzflagwiz | TimRiker - I was wondering what your thoughts were on a patch that I submitted a while back for a server option to allow tanks to fly (much like they can jump now) |
| 06:14.53 | MeBigFatGuy | wow, an echo |
| 06:14.56 | sgk284 | haha |
| 06:14.59 | bzflagwiz | heh - what SGK said :) |
| 06:15.19 | TimRiker | ~x en kr does xchat on windows do utf8? |
| 06:15.31 | MeBigFatGuy | uhoh |
| 06:15.49 | bzflagwiz | dunno - but mIRC doesn't look like it does uft8 :\ |
| 06:15.55 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:15.59 | TimRiker | bzflagwiz: well, I get plenty of complaints for even allowing wings to be added. not eager to stir the waters more. |
| 06:16.20 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:16.22 | MeBigFatGuy | the problem with wings is when only a few have it |
| 06:16.26 | TimRiker | ~x kr en ì°½ì—xchatì€utf8ì„ í•˜ëŠ”ê°€? |
| 06:16.31 | MeBigFatGuy | and that IS irritating |
| 06:17.00 | wegstar | chatzilla here does :) |
| 06:17.05 | bzflagwiz | TimRiker - I agree with lots of those complaints - But this would be nice for maps designed for wings. Especially for CTF I think |
| 06:17.57 | bzflagwiz | And my patch lets it be set on the server level, with a -flyingTanks switch. |
| 06:18.00 | TimRiker | wegstar: os? |
| 06:18.05 | wegstar | windows |
| 06:18.30 | TimRiker | wegstar: cool. now I have something to point those mirc folks too. ;-) |
| 06:18.55 | wegstar | :) |
| 06:19.03 | TimRiker | bzflagwiz: I understand. Does it use another bit in the server info? |
| 06:19.43 | bzflagwiz | TimRiker: please explain your request, I'm not a hardcore developer... |
| 06:20.55 | TimRiker | bzflagwiz: ie: can you see on the list server if a given server has flyingtanks? |
| 06:21.19 | MeBigFatGuy | like ffa/ctf/rabbit |
| 06:21.52 | bzflagwiz | Ah - I might have missed that. I *did* set a new playingstyle... |
| 06:22.02 | bzflagwiz | or is it gamestyle? |
| 06:22.09 | TimRiker | whatever... |
| 06:22.15 | MeBigFatGuy | probably not a game style |
| 06:22.25 | MeBigFatGuy | cause you'd want to combine it with any of the three |
| 06:23.21 | bzflagwiz | If someone points me to the right part of the code I can add it (or check to see if I already did). |
| 06:24.49 | MeBigFatGuy | look for ping |
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| 06:25.43 | Silver1 | ~seen cosmos |
| 06:25.45 | ibot | cosmos <~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 58m 25s ago, saying: 'give it time'. |
| 06:26.03 | Silver1 | words of wisdom. |
| 06:26.28 | wegstar | hmm |
| 06:26.35 | MeBigFatGuy | or MsgQueryGame maybe |
| 06:27.18 | wegstar | when I connected to Aribeth's server... the textures downloaded properly but then the client crashed when entering game... |
| 06:27.28 | MeBigFatGuy | stack dump? |
| 06:27.50 | sgk284 | TimRiker, is it possible libbind has anything to do with my problem? |
| 06:28.09 | wegstar | erm where do I find that? |
| 06:28.47 | sgk284 | wegstar, the textures are in ~/.bzf/cache iirc |
| 06:29.18 | sgk284 | TimRiker, the reason i suggest so is because ldd on the good binary vs. ldd on the bad binary shows that one has libbind and one doesnt |
| 06:29.19 | TimRiker | sgk284: does ldd on bzflag show a libbind? |
| 06:29.23 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:30.03 | TimRiker | ah. mine does not show libbind. |
| 06:30.17 | TimRiker | sounds like your issue. does ldd on curl show libbind? |
| 06:30.18 | sgk284 | is that a config option? |
| 06:31.01 | sgk284 | no libbind in curl |
| 06:31.08 | sgk284 | only the bad bzflag binaries |
| 06:31.27 | sgk284 | and it kinda makes sense cause the list server failing to resolve happens instantly, its not a timeout |
| 06:32.17 | sgk284 | and that would be why curl is spitting out error 6 cause it cant resolve |
| 06:32.27 | sgk284 | at least i hope so:) |
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| 06:34.40 | bzflagwiz | TimRiker - I'm pretty sure I am not setting any bits in the server info for the flyingTanks game style - The only change I made to the bzfs branch of the source was in CmdLineOptions.cxx |
| 06:35.15 | MeBigFatGuy | yup, then no |
| 06:35.27 | MeBigFatGuy | would be in bzfs.cxx at least |
| 06:35.40 | MeBigFatGuy | and probably ServerMenu.cxx |
| 06:36.20 | bzflagwiz | I was treating it like it as an option similar to JumpingGameStyle rather than Rabbit/CTF/FFA |
| 06:37.11 | sgk284 | yea its def not a new game style |
| 06:37.22 | sgk284 | it is just an option that can be used with a game style |
| 06:38.21 | MeBigFatGuy | bzflagwiz, as you should |
| 06:38.27 | MeBigFatGuy | but it probably be advertised as such |
| 06:38.45 | bzflagwiz | I think I *WOULD* need to add the flyingTanks option to ServerMenu.cxx, but I'd rather not dig into that unless I thought there was a chance of it being accepted... |
| 06:38.58 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 06:39.15 | MeBigFatGuy | a chance can be from 1% to 100% |
| 06:39.22 | MeBigFatGuy | so go ahead |
| 06:39.25 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:39.30 | bzflagwiz | lol |
| 06:40.39 | TimRiker | iirc ping.gameStyle just copies over the bits. so you are adding it to the list server, just that current clients ignore it. |
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| 06:43.11 | sgk284 | tim, any ideas about libbind ? :/ |
| 06:43.12 | bzflagwiz | I should mention that current clients don't break when connecting to the "flying" server and new clients can't fly when connecting to current servers |
| 06:43.21 | sgk284 | why would i all the sudden start building with it |
| 06:43.54 | cristi | about what are ya talking ? :) |
| 06:44.13 | sgk284 | cristi, two discussions going on at once:) |
| 06:44.20 | sgk284 | i have a problem, wiz has a patch |
| 06:44.34 | cristi | :) |
| 06:44.36 | cristi | ok |
| 06:44.37 | bzflagwiz | too bad my patch isn't for SGK's problem :) |
| 06:44.46 | sgk284 | hehe i was jsut thinking that |
| 06:45.05 | cristi | wiz, what does do your patch? |
| 06:45.58 | bzflagwiz | it would let all tanks fly all the time, as though they had a wings flag. kind of like all tanks can jump all the time when the server allows it |
| 06:46.20 | cristi | :) |
| 06:46.28 | cristi | ok |
| 06:47.37 | TimRiker | sgk284: do a build, and look at the link line output. ie: just rm the binary and type make again. |
| 06:47.45 | TimRiker | see if it has -lbind on it. |
| 06:47.59 | TimRiker | perhaps libcurl says it wants it now. |
| 06:48.35 | TimRiker | try: curl-config --libs |
| 06:51.42 | TimRiker | bzflagwiz: in short.. I'm not likely to add the patch in the short term, but if I hear that a bunch of people want it, I might change my mind. |
| 06:52.33 | sgk284 | k |
| 06:52.35 | bzflagwiz | Ok - Thanks TimRiker. My thought in adding it was that wings is fun when you have it, but it sucks when you don't :) |
| 06:52.56 | TimRiker | well, since that issue is a build/toolchain one.. anyone voting against 2.0.2 ? |
| 06:53.40 | TimRiker | bzflagwiz: I hear ya. anyone else want to voice a pro/con on -flyingTanks? |
| 06:54.10 | bzflagwiz | FWIW - I built source from yesterday (Windows/MinGW) and didn't have problems with libcurl |
| 06:54.46 | MeBigFatGuy | i like -flyingTanks better than WG |
| 06:54.47 | cristi | who is playing armagetron ? ;) |
| 06:55.28 | sgk284 | TimRiker, you've got my vote for it :) |
| 06:55.34 | sgk284 | lots of fixes |
| 06:55.40 | sgk284 | too many to not release it:) |
| 06:55.54 | cristi | what??? 2.0.2 is released ? :P |
| 06:56.06 | sgk284 | no, its being debated |
| 06:56.32 | bzflagwiz | cristi - we're eavesdropping in on history :) |
| 06:56.49 | sgk284 | TimRiker, is it possible that enabling adns is causing bind to be added? |
| 06:57.10 | cristi | wiz - ok! |
| 06:57.18 | sgk284 | bzflagwiz, you should have been here for the 2.0 release |
| 06:57.18 | cristi | :)) |
| 06:57.22 | sgk284 | all 2 months of it ;) |
| 06:57.43 | wegstar_working | yeah.. :) |
| 06:57.49 | sgk284 | December 1st rolls around... "Okay lets release 2.0 with our 1 millionth download" |
| 06:58.08 | sgk284 | heh good times |
| 06:58.13 | jpa_ | lalalalalla |
| 06:58.20 | sgk284 | the irc logs from that period must be amusing |
| 06:58.22 | wegstar | "Is it out yet?" |
| 06:58.27 | *** part/#bzflag cristi (~cristi@82.137.26.35) |
| 06:58.38 | jpa_ | sgk284, my friend and ally, tell how i can get emacs menus open in console mode? |
| 06:58.40 | sgk284 | sometime over this timespan of the enxt few days it *might* be relased :) |
| 06:58.54 | sgk284 | jpa_, easy |
| 06:59.01 | sgk284 | before you type emacs... |
| 06:59.09 | sgk284 | type vim and hit enter |
| 06:59.13 | jpa_ | :( |
| 06:59.14 | wegstar | emacs or vim |
| 06:59.17 | wegstar | :) |
| 06:59.19 | wegstar | haha |
| 06:59.20 | jpa_ | emacs is better |
| 06:59.27 | wegstar | vim is :P |
| 06:59.29 | sgk284 | keep teling yourself that;) |
| 06:59.38 | sgk284 | s/teling/telling* |
| 07:00.00 | jpa_ | it atleast has menus, even if i cant get them open |
| 07:00.20 | wegstar | gvim... |
| 07:00.31 | sgk284 | jpa_ lol i think its an f key |
| 07:00.33 | sgk284 | let me see |
| 07:00.41 | jpa_ | it is f10 |
| 07:00.44 | jpa_ | found it already |
| 07:00.47 | sgk284 | k |
| 07:00.58 | jpa_ | wegstar: i can't use it from my school.. otherwise i'd use kate |
| 07:01.06 | sgk284 | emacs is only good for playing nibbles in lisp |
| 07:01.14 | sgk284 | :) |
| 07:01.23 | jpa_ | we are forced to do html-pages with notepad :( |
| 07:01.37 | sgk284 | jpa_ there are worse things in life ;) |
| 07:01.47 | sgk284 | doing html with a text editor is the proper way :) |
| 07:01.56 | jpa_ | yes |
| 07:02.05 | jpa_ | and notepad is not a proper text editor |
| 07:02.09 | bzflagwiz | but at least use a proper text editor, like UltraEdit |
| 07:02.15 | wegstar | eek |
| 07:02.18 | jpa_ | i'll use emacs |
| 07:02.32 | jpa_ | now that i got the menus to work |
| 07:02.42 | TimRiker | sgk284: try ldd on the adns lib. |
| 07:02.52 | jpa_ | except.. this has black background and notepad has white.. |
| 07:02.52 | sgk284 | emacs really isnt that bad, vim just seems more suited for fast text/source code editing where as emacs goes for functionality over ease of use |
| 07:02.59 | jpa_ | teacher may not believe it is notepad |
| 07:03.38 | sgk284 | grr, just libc and ld-linux |
| 07:04.14 | TimRiker | sgk284: you tried the re-link and looked at the command line? you tried curl-config --libs? |
| 07:04.22 | sgk284 | yep |
| 07:04.25 | sgk284 | :( |
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| 07:04.39 | TimRiker | no -lbind on the command line then? |
| 07:04.48 | sgk284 | for curl? |
| 07:05.09 | TimRiker | sgk284: on the re-link. ie: rm src/bzflag/bzflag;make |
| 07:05.31 | sgk284 | after relinking, it was still there |
| 07:05.40 | TimRiker | that's not what I mean. |
| 07:05.49 | TimRiker | I mean look at the line that does the linking. |
| 07:05.52 | sgk284 | oh! |
| 07:05.54 | sgk284 | heh |
| 07:05.56 | sgk284 | okay |
| 07:06.14 | sgk284 | worse comes to worse i'll jsut rebuild my system over the weekend |
| 07:06.27 | sgk284 | see if that fixes it:) |
| 07:07.07 | bzflagwiz | sgk284 - REBUILD!? That's a windows solution, not a linux one :) |
| 07:07.48 | sgk284 | i know :( |
| 07:08.12 | sgk284 | i probably wont |
| 07:08.17 | sgk284 | no matter what:) |
| 07:08.26 | sgk284 | i couldnt sleep at night not know what casued this :) |
| 07:08.46 | sgk284 | hell, i have to be awake in 6 hours and still wont sleep cause i wann resolve this:) |
| 07:08.55 | sgk284 | i have some patches to test etc.. |
| 07:09.00 | sgk284 | its not fun at all being broke |
| 07:09.45 | sgk284 | my keyboard must be broken too cause no human could possibly make as many typos as i do |
| 07:09.54 | sgk284 | :) |
| 07:09.54 | TimRiker | sgk284: you look at the link command yet? |
| 07:11.05 | bzflagwiz | Something to be said for finding problems though...I had a Solaris admin class at work and we had an entire day full of exercises where the instructor intentionally broke something and we had to figure out what was broken... |
| 07:11.07 | sgk284 | heh well after i thoughti did the first time i though maybe re configuring without adns would maybe help so i'm rebuilding again:( I need to stop doing that |
| 07:11.34 | sgk284 | heh just install tripwire :) |
| 07:12.05 | TimRiker | bzflagwiz: mv /lib /lib.reallybroken should do it. |
| 07:12.18 | sgk284 | heh |
| 07:12.20 | bzflagwiz | lol |
| 07:12.46 | sgk284 | TimRiker, where am i looking for this line? is it in a file (Makefile?) or coming out of stdout? |
| 07:13.01 | TimRiker | sgk284: rm src/bzflag/bzflag ; make |
| 07:14.10 | TimRiker | it'll compile buildDate, then link bzfs, bzflag, and bzadmin. you're looking for the bzflag link line. |
| 07:14.22 | sgk284 | k |
| 07:15.10 | sgk284 | btw bzflag gets 240,000 results in google now :) |
| 07:17.41 | jpa_ | now to know.. how to load sgml mode in emacs |
| 07:18.16 | TimRiker | only see 212000 here. but ah well. |
| 07:19.05 | bzflagwiz | 240,000 here too. Welcome to the world of cache servers and load balancing :) |
| 07:19.11 | sgk284 | heh |
| 07:19.54 | sgk284 | timriker, they obviously track your IP to make sure that you being the maintainer remain discouraged ;) |
| 07:20.01 | jpa_ | ha |
| 07:20.13 | MeBigFatGuy | 240k |
| 07:20.24 | sgk284 | further proof |
| 07:20.25 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 07:20.39 | MeBigFatGuy | i chaulk it up to my dialup, giving google more time to find stuff :) |
| 07:21.08 | sgk284 | wouldnt it be cool to open up www.google.com one day and see a bzflag tank shooting the logo in recognition of the first day bzflag was released:) |
| 07:21.34 | sgk284 | for 3.0, forget announcing it on slashdot... its going on google's index |
| 07:21.34 | MeBigFatGuy | probably could for a price |
| 07:21.40 | sgk284 | heh |
| 07:22.33 | sgk284 | if we all chip in i'm sure we can buy google out |
| 07:22.36 | sgk284 | oh wait... |
| 07:22.44 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 07:22.59 | bzflagwiz | That'd be fantastic - announce 3.0 on google, and then have maybe 5 servers available that have made the switch... hehe |
| 07:23.20 | sgk284 | hah |
| 07:24.10 | MeBigFatGuy | i wonder how many 1.10.6 servers there are |
| 07:24.13 | sgk284 | TimRiker, the build is indeed bindind libbind |
| 07:24.21 | sgk284 | -lbind was on the line for bzflag |
| 07:24.41 | sgk284 | linking bind*, too many binds in that first sentence |
| 07:25.07 | sgk284 | it is linking for the server, bzadmin, and bzflag :/ |
| 07:25.25 | bzflagwiz | There are 28 1.10 servers... |
| 07:25.35 | MeBigFatGuy | wow |
| 07:26.01 | wegstar | eek |
| 07:26.28 | sgk284 | i fixed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 07:26.33 | sgk284 | i fixed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 07:26.40 | sgk284 | all thanks to timriker of course |
| 07:26.51 | sgk284 | ~TimRiker++ |
| 07:27.09 | sgk284 | i just copied the bzflag build stuff and remove -lbind |
| 07:27.14 | sgk284 | magically it worked:) |
| 07:27.34 | sgk284 | wow... i wasted so much tiem on this little problem... hindsight is a pain |
| 07:27.37 | sgk284 | time* |
| 07:27.59 | TimRiker | sgk284: still need to find out what added the -lbind. |
| 07:28.03 | sgk284 | true |
| 07:28.08 | TimRiker | try sdl-config --libs too. |
| 07:28.16 | bzflagwiz | So, the $64,000 question is, where did the error come from? BZFlag source, or something on SGKs system |
| 07:28.24 | sgk284 | nope |
| 07:28.31 | bzflagwiz | I'm just an echoing fool... |
| 07:28.36 | sgk284 | TimRiker, no bind in sdl |
| 07:28.41 | TimRiker | what other libs were near it on the link line? |
| 07:28.52 | sgk284 | want me to pm you the line? |
| 07:28.58 | TimRiker | sure. |
| 07:29.00 | sgk284 | adns was right in fornt of it |
| 07:30.10 | sgk284 | what is libm ? |
| 07:30.32 | sgk284 | or am i reading that wrong :) |
| 07:33.24 | TimRiker | m is math stuff. sin/cos/tan/etc |
| 07:33.32 | sgk284 | k |
| 07:33.50 | TimRiker | the configure script adds -lbind if it's needed for gethostent |
| 07:34.00 | TimRiker | should work, but does not for you. |
| 07:34.13 | sgk284 | hrm okay |
| 07:34.23 | sgk284 | not a problem, i'll keep it in mind |
| 07:34.37 | sgk284 | try to figure it out |
| 07:34.47 | sgk284 | i'll check my bind versions and stuff |
| 07:35.23 | sgk284 | but alas imust go to sleep |
| 07:35.35 | sgk284 | thanks alot for your help |
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| 07:36.44 | bzflagwiz | Time for me to sleep too. Thanks for the input TimRiker |
| 07:37.29 | wegstar | nite all |
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| 08:06.34 | TimRiker | np |
| 08:16.26 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: case |
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| 09:05.18 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 2.0.2 |
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| 09:12.52 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/debian/changelog.in: more 2.0.2 |
| 09:22.41 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/debian/changelog.in: eep |
| 09:28.18 | Pimpi | TimRiker: you released? |
| 09:35.13 | TimRiker | Pimpi: yep. just tagged cvs. |
| 09:35.32 | TimRiker | uploading to debian now. source to sf in a sec |
| 09:36.12 | Pimpi | argh ;) |
| 09:37.00 | Pimpi | havn't committed my stuff yet, bacause i wanted to strip off the @GROUP stuff first |
| 09:37.10 | Pimpi | anyway, for next release |
| 09:37.11 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, :) |
| 09:37.29 | Pimpi | hi manu, sry, bbl |
| 09:37.42 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, hurry up... ;) |
| 09:44.50 | TimRiker | Pimpi: I figured it's not a big deal as your patch is only server side. |
| 09:45.33 | TimRiker | I hope we'll do another release fairly soon. need to track down the jitter stuff etc. |
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| 12:44.41 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (Permissions.cxx Permissions.h bzfs.cxx commands.cxx): (log message trimmed) |
| 12:44.41 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: adding operators for groupdb: |
| 12:44.41 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: +PERM (same as PERM) |
| 12:44.42 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: -PERM (removes PERM) |
| 12:44.42 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: !PERM (forbids PERM if it's allowed elsewhere) |
| 12:44.43 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: *GROUP (references GROUP, changing a groups perms is not allowed after it was used as a reference now) |
| 12:44.46 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: Default groups are present when groupdb is processed now |
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| 13:32.46 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: add changes on permissions stuff to changelog |
| 13:42.28 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: typo |
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| 13:48.48 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: add new section for 2.0.3 activity, column 80 fit formatting |
| 13:50.15 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 13:53.31 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (README win32/VC6/installer.dsp src/date/buildDate.cxx): bump to next dev rev after tagging 2.0.3 |
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| 14:18.17 | creeperz | brlcad: drugs and alcohol are bad for your mind and body |
| 14:19.51 | Pimpi | !dict buzz |
| 14:19.55 | guu | Pimpi: web1913, jargon, foldoc, and wn responded: web1913: Buzz \Buzz\, n. 1. A continuous, humming noise, as of bees; a confused murmur, as of general conversation in low tones, or of a general expression of surprise or approbation. ``The constant buzz of a fly.'' --Macaulay; web1913: Buzz \Buzz\, v. t. 1. To sound forth by buzzing. --Shak. 2. To whisper; to communicate, as tales, in an (7 more messages) |
| 14:30.36 | orange | Pimpi: see also: slang for a short haircut |
| 14:31.17 | bendy24 | orange: or the feeling after a few beers |
| 14:31.43 | orange | yes, but usually not used exactly like brlcad used it |
| 14:31.52 | orange | you normally "get a buzz" not "give yourself a buzz" |
| 14:32.02 | orange | unless you *really* like it and consider it a gift to yourself :-) |
| 14:32.18 | bendy24 | hrmm, the way he used it sounds kinda sexual... |
| 14:32.39 | bendy24 | kids... |
| 14:34.39 | Pimpi | ic |
| 15:02.01 | jpa_ | hm :) |
| 15:05.20 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Fixed poll bug causing server crash under some conditions |
| 15:10.42 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:11.46 | brlcad | not good to combine that with the "other" buzz ;) |
| 15:11.50 | orange | hehe |
| 15:12.11 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Fixed poll bug causing server crash under some conditions |
| 15:13.54 | brlcad | i'm not too concerned if YOU don't think I'm cute :) |
| 15:14.45 | orange | oddly, I still think of brylcreem whenever I see your nick, brlcad |
| 15:14.55 | orange | a little dab'll do ya! |
| 15:15.03 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:15.51 | brlcad | never tried that |
| 15:16.22 | brlcad | given my plethora of hair products, that almost surprises me :) |
| 15:16.40 | orange | well, now you have to... it's a classic, and practically your namesake |
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| 15:19.36 | orange | do you pronounce it b-r-l-cad or brillcad, or what? |
| 15:20.00 | brlcad | b-r-l-cad |
| 15:20.28 | brlcad | bee-are-ell cad |
| 15:20.36 | bryjen | burl |
| 15:20.49 | brlcad | burlycad as MrAC puts it |
| 15:21.16 | jpa_ | oh no, ill bees :( |
| 15:21.33 | _Manu_ | bzzzzz :) |
| 15:21.35 | orange | heh, well, my interpretation was always brillcad, which explains my brylcreem connection |
| 15:34.07 | creeperz | someone who speaks German in here needs to teach me to speak German so I can rock out to Rammstein and know what I'm rocking out to |
| 15:34.20 | brlcad | ~brl |
| 15:34.21 | ibot | rumour has it, brl is the U.S. Ballistic Research Laboratory, home of the ENIAC, now called the U.S. Army Research Laboratory. See http://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/comphist/hist.html |
| 15:34.50 | creeperz | ibot knows too much |
| 15:35.08 | brlcad | ~shoot creeperz |
| 15:35.12 | ibot | ACTION shoots creeperz in the ear with a cork gun! |
| 15:35.18 | creeperz | ouch |
| 15:35.28 | creeperz | ...WHATTT?! |
| 15:36.05 | SportChick | creeperz, ich spreche ein bischen deutsch, aber Sie sollten eine Klasse oder etwas nehmen |
| 15:36.20 | creeperz | ~ge to en ich spreche ein bischen deutsch, aber Sie sollten eine Klasse oder etwas nehmen |
| 15:36.32 | brlcad | g'morning sportie chickie |
| 15:36.32 | jpa_ | german is probably the ugliest language ever existed :) |
| 15:36.45 | creeperz | ~help |
| 15:36.47 | jpa_ | hi SportChick |
| 15:36.53 | SportChick | hi jpa |
| 15:36.55 | jpa_ | creeperz: it is ~x ge en |
| 15:36.58 | creeperz | ah |
| 15:37.02 | creeperz | ~x ge en ich spreche ein bischen deutsch, aber Sie sollten eine Klasse oder etwas nehmen |
| 15:37.16 | creeperz | oh :-) |
| 15:37.36 | creeperz | bischen? |
| 15:37.42 | creeperz | bischen = bit? |
| 15:38.30 | creeperz | oh well |
| 15:38.44 | brlcad | b*tchin'? |
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| 16:44.16 | SportChick | gmorning brlcad. I may have spelled bischen wrong |
| 16:44.52 | Chestal | it's "bisschen" (or bißchen) |
| 16:45.02 | SportChick | Chestal: thanks |
| 16:45.31 | SportChick | Chestal: I was close |
| 16:49.01 | jpa_ | mew # mount -o remount,rw / |
| 16:49.02 | jpa_ | mount: /dev/hda2: can't read superblock |
| 16:49.07 | jpa_ | is this bad? |
| 16:49.40 | ToughShooter_ill | ~x de en bisschen |
| 16:55.02 | ToughShooter_ill | ~x en de little |
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| 17:18.28 | Carnage__ | .j #guleague |
| 17:18.32 | Carnage__ | ah |
| 17:18.53 | JeffM2501 | why are 2 of the top SF projects open source implementations of battletech? |
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| 17:27.50 | brlcad | Chestal: did you make it home okay? :) |
| 17:28.05 | Chestal | the first 70m were ok |
| 17:28.15 | brlcad | :)) |
| 17:28.30 | JeffM2501 | what happend after that? |
| 17:34.49 | brlcad | JeffM2501: help Chestal get home http://www.wagenschenke.ch |
| 17:35.17 | JeffM2501 | ohh I've done that |
| 17:35.25 | JeffM2501 | got like 92m |
| 17:36.26 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:38.02 | brlcad | heh, it's on again .. Ma Ya Hi on the radio |
| 17:38.23 | SportChick | is it possible to add someone to a whitelist file if they aren't registered? |
| 17:40.35 | DTRemenak | hm, we seem to have released 2.0.2, only four weeks over schedule :) |
| 17:40.59 | brlcad | DTRemenak: news to me too :) |
| 17:41.10 | SportChick | 2.0.2 is out? |
| 17:41.15 | SportChick | all the builds up or no? |
| 17:41.17 | brlcad | i hadn't heard we were stable |
| 17:41.26 | brlcad | SportChick: it's tagged and I think source is posted |
| 17:41.30 | brlcad | but not binaries |
| 17:41.55 | SportChick | binaries, sminaries! speak engish |
| 17:42.03 | DTRemenak | no |
| 17:42.11 | brlcad | niet! |
| 17:42.15 | SportChick | not THAT's english |
| 17:42.16 | DTRemenak | nine! |
| 17:42.22 | SportChick | DTRemenak: it's "nein" |
| 17:42.39 | DTRemenak | all my kyes are getting confsued |
| 17:42.50 | SportChick | now, I go back to my earlier question: |
| 17:42.54 | SportChick | is it possible to add someone to a whitelist file if they aren't registered? |
| 17:43.03 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 17:43.06 | JeffM2501 | whitelist is IP based IIRC |
| 17:43.18 | SportChick | JeffM2501: are you SURE? |
| 17:43.34 | JeffM2501 | at least one of the whitelists is |
| 17:43.41 | DTRemenak | it used to be, but I think it got moved to be central reg |
| 17:43.43 | JeffM2501 | there is the new perm that is anitban |
| 17:43.48 | JeffM2501 | that is user based |
| 17:43.50 | SportChick | oh, how's that work? |
| 17:44.01 | SportChick | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.02 | SportChick | ? |
| 17:44.07 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 17:44.44 | SportChick | who would know? |
| 17:45.34 | brlcad | SportChick: it's a permission |
| 17:45.41 | brlcad | like kick and ban |
| 17:45.55 | brlcad | you give the user the antiban permission and they're protected |
| 17:45.59 | SportChick | is it only in cvs? |
| 17:46.08 | brlcad | for example add antiban to the admin group |
| 17:46.10 | SportChick | or currently active? |
| 17:46.26 | brlcad | no, it's currently active -- added it in 1.11 |
| 17:46.28 | SportChick | oh, so we'd need to have a group and then add anti ban to the group |
| 17:46.52 | brlcad | right |
| 17:46.52 | SportChick | and add the player to the group that has the perm |
| 17:46.53 | SportChick | right? |
| 17:46.53 | SportChick | k |
| 17:47.11 | brlcad | there's antiban, antikick, antipollban, antipollkick, and a few others.. i'd check the manpage if you want them all |
| 17:47.28 | SportChick | okay - is there a link to the manpage? |
| 17:47.45 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/cvs/man/ ? |
| 17:48.08 | brlcad | er, that's not the html ones.. |
| 17:48.39 | SportChick | doesn't anyone just do "help pages" anymore? :( |
| 17:48.53 | brlcad | they should be html pages in your distribution |
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| 17:50.34 | menotume | here comes the pain :P |
| 17:50.43 | JeffM2501 | oh I never build those anymore |
| 17:50.43 | Carnage__ | heh.. |
| 17:50.47 | JeffM2501 | they don't work |
| 17:51.20 | Carnage__ | anyone have a 2.0.2 client for win made? |
| 17:51.31 | Carnage__ | menotume, bring it |
| 17:51.31 | DTRemenak | working on it |
| 17:51.42 | JeffM2501 | did he build ? |
| 17:51.54 | JeffM2501 | and stamp? |
| 17:52.27 | SportChick | this is where it sends me and I get an error when I try to go to the page: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi |
| 17:53.14 | SportChick | nm - now it came up |
| 17:56.32 | SportChick | I see nothing about antiban in the man pages |
| 17:56.44 | JeffM2501 | the online ones are old IIRC |
| 17:59.12 | SportChick | yes, they appear to be |
| 17:59.17 | _Manu_ | SportChick, you must add ANTIBAN to the group you want to protect against bans |
| 17:59.20 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 17:59.32 | SportChick | manu, I don't know if that group exists yet - we may need to add the group |
| 17:59.42 | _Manu_ | ANTIBAN not a group |
| 17:59.45 | JeffM2501 | do a listgroup |
| 17:59.51 | JeffM2501 | or whatever it is |
| 17:59.54 | _Manu_ | example: LOCAL.COPS: ANTIBAN |
| 18:00.03 | DTRemenak | SportChick: you may want to ask sgk if/when he comes on; he wrote it all :) |
| 18:00.16 | _Manu_ | you must modify your group file |
| 18:00.24 | _Manu_ | and add ANTIBAN to the group you want |
| 18:00.42 | _Manu_ | then from the server do: /reload |
| 18:00.43 | SportChick | I do /showgroup and it shows me what groups someone belongs to, but I htink I need to add a whitelist group |
| 18:00.47 | SportChick | or it may already be there |
| 18:00.51 | SportChick | I can't remember how to see it |
| 18:00.59 | Pimpi | SportChick: http://balin.pimpi.org/perms |
| 18:01.11 | JeffM2501 | IIRC you do a showgrop with no user and it shows all groups |
| 18:01.11 | _Manu_ | you can't add ANTIBAN from the server.. you must modify your groups file |
| 18:01.14 | JeffM2501 | or maybe it was listgroups |
| 18:01.17 | Pimpi | this is a complete list of all available perms |
| 18:01.20 | brlcad | Carnage__ needs a hug |
| 18:01.31 | SportChick | thanks pimpi |
| 18:01.41 | brlcad | JeffM2501: not afaik (re build) but he did tag |
| 18:01.51 | JeffM2501 | carnage needs to make his website not suck all my bandwith up when I'm playing WoW |
| 18:01.53 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:01.53 | SportChick | manu: yes, I know that - but I need to make sure there is a group to modify |
| 18:01.58 | Carnage__ | learner! |
| 18:02.01 | blast007 | I don't see anything about ANTIBAN in the man pages in CVS |
| 18:02.07 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.10 | Carnage__ | hey brlcad |
| 18:02.15 | brlcad | howdy :) |
| 18:03.09 | SportChick | that did it, thanks, bryjen |
| 18:03.12 | Carnage__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:03.18 | SportChick | and pimpi and manu and brlcad and jeffm |
| 18:03.23 | brlcad | 150 folks in #emacs and not one knows the answer |
| 18:03.24 | JeffM2501 | I actualy don't think it was you |
| 18:03.30 | *** join/#bzflag bz6292 (~3d5f85aa@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:03.30 | bryjen | you can't create groups or assign them permissions in-game. those have to be pre-set-up in the files. you can add users to groups in-game. |
| 18:03.49 | brlcad | bryjen: /reload |
| 18:03.58 | JeffM2501 | IIRC he has a whitelist group setup allready |
| 18:04.02 | brlcad | if you have fs access |
| 18:04.11 | bz6292 | ne1 thr |
| 18:04.15 | bz6292 | iam new here |
| 18:04.16 | bryjen | well, not pre-setup then, but edited only in the files |
| 18:04.22 | brlcad | bz6292: hello |
| 18:04.27 | JeffM2501 | bz6292, is your keyboard broken? |
| 18:04.29 | bz6292 | hi brlcad |
| 18:04.31 | bz6292 | no |
| 18:04.32 | bz6292 | why |
| 18:04.33 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:04.33 | brlcad | bz6292: nope, nobody here |
| 18:04.36 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:04.38 | JeffM2501 | just looked like it was |
| 18:04.54 | bz6292 | im not able to connect to ne servers |
| 18:04.56 | JeffM2501 | missing spaces and vowels |
| 18:05.01 | bryjen | non-reinterant |
| 18:05.11 | JeffM2501 | what is the "NE" server? |
| 18:05.12 | SportChick | okay, that totally answered all my questions - yes I can add to whitelist, but I cannot do it unless they register first. thanks everyone |
| 18:05.16 | SportChick | ~bryjen++ |
| 18:05.16 | orange | brlcad: I thought the answer was vi |
| 18:05.19 | JeffM2501 | I'm not familiar with that |
| 18:05.24 | SportChick | ~pimp++ |
| 18:05.28 | bz6292 | hi all |
| 18:05.28 | blast007 | North East servers ;) |
| 18:05.30 | SportChick | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 18:05.42 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup ne.bzflag.org |
| 18:05.42 | bz6292 | im in south india |
| 18:05.42 | SportChick | ~_manu_++ |
| 18:05.50 | SportChick | ~brlcad++ |
| 18:05.53 | bz6292 | wt |
| 18:05.55 | JeffM2501 | do you get an error? |
| 18:06.00 | bz6292 | yes |
| 18:06.04 | JeffM2501 | and that error is? |
| 18:06.07 | SportChick | ~dtremenak++ |
| 18:06.11 | DTRemenak | eep? |
| 18:06.13 | bz6292 | server connection failed |
| 18:06.21 | brlcad | uh oh.. she's on a rampage again |
| 18:06.23 | JeffM2501 | what version are you running? |
| 18:06.31 | bz6292 | 1.10.6 |
| 18:06.34 | brlcad | eek |
| 18:06.37 | JeffM2501 | that is way old |
| 18:06.38 | brlcad | bz6292: upgrade |
| 18:06.44 | bz6292 | ok |
| 18:06.46 | JeffM2501 | most servers don't use that version anymore |
| 18:06.52 | DTRemenak | bz6292: what os are you on? |
| 18:06.52 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 18:06.52 | bz6292 | o i c |
| 18:07.01 | bz6292 | windows |
| 18:07.02 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.0 is out now, 2.0.2 will be out shortly |
| 18:07.03 | DTRemenak | if you're on windows, wait about a half an hour before you upgrade |
| 18:07.11 | DTRemenak | otherwise you'll just have to do it again |
| 18:07.11 | brlcad | they have aol in south india too .. wow |
| 18:07.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah REALY shortly |
| 18:07.22 | JeffM2501 | america is BIG |
| 18:07.38 | bz6292 | how to upgrade |
| 18:07.46 | bz6292 | is it free?? |
| 18:07.50 | JeffM2501 | allways free |
| 18:07.54 | DTRemenak | always free |
| 18:07.57 | bz6292 | k |
| 18:08.00 | JeffM2501 | it will be posted on www.bzflag.org |
| 18:08.02 | brlcad | U.S.E. .. United States of Earth |
| 18:08.08 | bz6292 | thanks |
| 18:08.12 | DTRemenak | ~topic |
| 18:08.18 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 18:08.37 | brlcad | the topic is so boring now |
| 18:08.37 | Carnage__ | i noticed a lil bug not sure if it is important.. |
| 18:13.18 | *** join/#bzflag ibot (ibot@apt.bot.TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 18:13.18 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download |
| 18:13.18 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 18:13.50 | *** part/#bzflag bz6292 (~3d5f85aa@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:15.34 | brlcad | ~topic |
| 18:15.43 | brlcad | ahh, no fun :) |
| 18:19.26 | *** join/#bzflag cosmos (~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org) |
| 18:23.12 | DTRemenak | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.2.exe?download for whoever wants it |
| 18:23.24 | *** join/#bzflag retro (~ken@gateway-1237.mvista.com) |
| 18:24.28 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you want me to do the bzbb post, or you on it? |
| 18:24.34 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-137-116.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 18:24.35 | DTRemenak | whatever |
| 18:25.39 | DTRemenak | Tupone: 2.0.2 has been released, if you want to start working ares into 2.0.3 |
| 18:25.57 | Tupone | hehe , looking at e-mail. Thanks |
| 18:26.28 | TimRiker | note that the source tarballs do not include c-ares cause it's not in the automake stuff yet. |
| 18:26.42 | Tupone | yeah, I knew. I did on purpose |
| 18:26.55 | TimRiker | k. I thought it was a Good Thing too. ;-) |
| 18:28.06 | SportChick | TimRiker: hiya! when will you have that code for me to use |
| 18:28.56 | JeffM2501 | added a 2.0.2 release message, and moved the 2.0.0 one to "sticky" |
| 18:29.50 | jpa_ | hummm |
| 18:29.54 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/package/win32/ (installer_2.0.nsi nsis/BZFlag.nsi): 2.0.2 |
| 18:29.57 | jpa_ | this maxtor is really quiet |
| 18:30.06 | jpa_ | i can't even hear updatedb running |
| 18:30.39 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (~admin@ACD889F7.ipt.aol.com) |
| 18:31.20 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d54C34D0B.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:31.40 | cods | jpa_: often disks can be set to be silent, but they're slower (IBM harddisk can do that) |
| 18:31.52 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 18:31.58 | jpa_ | well, i do not care :) |
| 18:32.16 | jpa_ | 27MB/s is faster than it was before my old one obviously broke down |
| 18:32.29 | JeffM2501 | sended? |
| 18:32.48 | JeffM2501 | is he still being a pain? |
| 18:33.14 | Birdie | it was all stupid, about a gu match, he was mad, he took screanshots, and he wanted to send it to tim.. |
| 18:33.28 | JeffM2501 | and that would do.........? |
| 18:33.39 | Birdie | no idea..nothing worse happened |
| 18:33.48 | Birdie | just most people were mad at him, thats all |
| 18:33.57 | Birdie | thats why it is stupid if he really did.. |
| 18:34.06 | JeffM2501 | well at least he's not spamming |
| 18:34.18 | JeffM2501 | sounds like he's not long for most servers tho |
| 18:34.38 | Birdie | well.. i cant keep him away from that server |
| 18:34.43 | Birdie | he hasnt done something wrong.. |
| 18:34.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:34.49 | Birdie | he is just annoying:/ |
| 18:35.18 | JeffM2501 | seems these days a number of children are... sadly |
| 18:35.21 | DTRemenak | Birdie: I've banned people for being annoying (on my own servers, of course) |
| 18:35.54 | Birdie | btw i have a pic about him(his teamsite) if you are good in guessing ages..you will know how old he is |
| 18:35.55 | DTRemenak | it's supposed to be fun to play bzflag |
| 18:35.57 | jpa_ | i have too |
| 18:36.07 | Birdie | 99% would agree to ban him |
| 18:36.08 | JeffM2501 | show me |
| 18:36.10 | jpa_ | we should have some client-identifying number |
| 18:36.26 | jpa_ | so that bans would not be to the ip, but to the client |
| 18:36.33 | Birdie | but i'm sure, 1) he will send complainings to the server owner and 2) complainings here and sending mails to you are tim riker |
| 18:36.39 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, we can do that via username now |
| 18:36.46 | JeffM2501 | some systems like schools share computers |
| 18:37.06 | jpa_ | so? |
| 18:37.12 | JeffM2501 | I can disable and remove a username and that will kill that user on all systems that use global auth |
| 18:37.19 | Birdie | http://thetankkillers.tripod.com/ |
| 18:37.20 | jpa_ | if they share computers, they share ip too |
| 18:37.21 | JeffM2501 | bsaicly killin an email addy |
| 18:37.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:37.33 | JeffM2501 | but they never share usernames :) |
| 18:37.44 | jpa_ | well, yes |
| 18:37.51 | JeffM2501 | 14 |
| 18:37.58 | jpa_ | if global login was an absolute requirement.... |
| 18:38.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not |
| 18:38.10 | Birdie | 14 is old if you look at that pic |
| 18:38.32 | JeffM2501 | naw I'd give him 14 |
| 18:38.32 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter_ill (~ts@pD956369D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:38.45 | JeffM2501 | tho he told me he was 19 |
| 18:38.58 | Birdie | maybe he feels like 19;) |
| 18:39.03 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure he does |
| 18:39.33 | JeffM2501 | call of honor said "I'm not a kid, what do you think I'm scorch's age", I said he was 14, then his reponce was "15 in a month" |
| 18:41.35 | Noodle-sensei | haha |
| 18:41.50 | Noodle-sensei | i just turned 19 a month ago |
| 18:42.01 | Noodle-sensei | i still don't feel any different than when i was 18 |
| 18:43.39 | DTRemenak | if you wouldn't have said anything, it wouldn't have :) |
| 18:43.43 | orange | jpa_ wanted this to happen, or he wouldn't have talked :-) |
| 18:44.11 | jpa_ | if i didn't know, i wouldn't have talked and this wouldn't have happened and i wouldn't have known and |
| 18:44.25 | jpa_ | orange: shut up :P |
| 18:44.34 | orange | lol |
| 18:45.09 | DTRemenak | orange: it's like torture. you do what the criminal wants least :) |
| 18:45.13 | orange | hehehe |
| 18:45.25 | DTRemenak | hm, that didn't come out quite right :) |
| 18:45.34 | jpa_ | am i a criminal? |
| 18:45.35 | *** join/#bzflag Fuddl (~fuddl@tittchen.saustall.busn.org) |
| 18:45.45 | *** join/#bzflag highkaratekitty (~44621954@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:45.51 | DTRemenak | jpa_: it's my job to torture you |
| 18:46.01 | DTRemenak | it's easier if I view you as a criminal :P |
| 18:46.11 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: how evil are you? |
| 18:46.25 | spldart | 2.0.2 seems to work fine ;) |
| 18:46.27 | DTRemenak | jpa_: take a guess |
| 18:46.34 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: 30? |
| 18:46.52 | Tupone | from 1 to 30 ? |
| 18:46.53 | DTRemenak | mm, an evilness on 30...on a 1 to 10 scale, right? :) |
| 18:47.01 | jpa_ | huh? |
| 18:47.03 | jpa_ | ew :D |
| 18:47.15 | jpa_ | i was to ask "DTRemenak: how old are you?" |
| 18:47.22 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 18:47.25 | DTRemenak | some typo |
| 18:47.37 | jpa_ | yes.. wonder what i was thinking about.. :) |
| 18:48.32 | DTRemenak | I'm guessing that you're at least 15 years older than I am, possibly as much as 30 years older than I am. How old do you think I am now? |
| 18:48.44 | bryjen | The masochist asks to be punished, but the sadist replies "no", because he know that's what would hurt the most ;) |
| 18:48.53 | DTRemenak | bryjen: bingo! |
| 18:49.15 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: umm.. from -14 to 1 years old? |
| 18:49.26 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:49.58 | *** join/#bzflag anig (~gigi@20-48.240.81.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 18:51.24 | bryjen | ein bisschen |
| 18:51.46 | DTRemenak | jpa_: how old do you think I am? |
| 18:51.51 | bryjen | hmm, "finnish as a first..." |
| 18:51.59 | jpa_ | i guessed already, 30 |
| 18:52.03 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 18:53.25 | DTRemenak | jpa_: cut it in half and you'd be closer |
| 18:53.38 | bryjen | !lart 1 DTRemenak |
| 18:53.48 | DTRemenak | bryjen: what's that for!? |
| 18:53.56 | orange | nice one |
| 18:53.58 | jpa_ | ..cutting in half? |
| 18:54.03 | bryjen | hehe |
| 18:54.26 | DTRemenak | the AOL CD part was totally uncalled for :) |
| 18:54.28 | bryjen | sorry |
| 18:54.31 | bryjen | ;) |
| 18:54.46 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: nah.. tell me, i do not want you to be about the same age as i am, it would make me feel useless and a bad coder |
| 18:54.56 | orange | sounds like jpa_ and DTRemenak are about the same age to me |
| 18:55.03 | DTRemenak | jpa_: I am a bad coder :) |
| 18:55.22 | DTRemenak | jpa_: from your previous responses, I'm guessing I have about three years on you |
| 18:55.30 | JeffM2501 | they are somewhat similar I'd wager |
| 18:55.48 | jpa_ | does this have to be made this difficult? :D |
| 18:56.00 | DTRemenak | jpa_: yes, torture remember? |
| 18:56.03 | bryjen | no, it can be more... |
| 18:56.04 | jpa_ | oh :) |
| 18:56.14 | jpa_ | but now i know i'm 16 and you are 19 |
| 18:56.27 | JeffM2501 | like I say |
| 18:56.28 | JeffM2501 | similar |
| 18:56.32 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 18:56.45 | jpa_ | that gives me 3 years to become as good coder as all-mighty DTRemenak |
| 18:56.49 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 18:56.53 | DTRemenak | should not be difficult :) |
| 18:57.02 | JeffM2501 | he can get a book |
| 18:57.09 | JeffM2501 | I hear they have one that can do it in 21 days |
| 18:57.20 | DTRemenak | if you do that you'll probably be better than I am :) |
| 18:57.25 | jpa_ | "DTRemenak for dummies" ? |
| 19:00.17 | DTRemenak | jpa_: a hint: "what if" is the question that answers "why". beyond that, it is a matter of investing time and remembering what you did. |
| 19:01.28 | jpa_ | ok.. it will probably take three years to understand that sentence |
| 19:02.00 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 19:02.54 | DTRemenak | it's mildly philosophical |
| 19:03.09 | DTRemenak | maybe aggressively philosophical |
| 19:03.53 | bryjen | ah, i'm in the wrong room to be pondering deep meanings |
| 19:03.55 | SportChick | hi highkaratekitty |
| 19:04.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:04.28 | jpa_ | hi sporty |
| 19:04.35 | SportChick | hiya jpa |
| 19:04.38 | Birdie | hi sportchicks |
| 19:04.41 | DTRemenak | SportChick: blame it on the jitter |
| 19:04.54 | SportChick | ~lart dtremenak |
| 19:05.03 | SportChick | ~whaleslap dtremenak |
| 19:05.08 | ibot | ACTION slaps dtremenak upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:05.08 | SportChick | ~fishslap dtremenak |
| 19:05.14 | ibot | ACTION slaps dtremenak up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:05.14 | SportChick | ~snowball dtremenak |
| 19:05.19 | ibot | ACTION launches a snowball tightly compressed with little shards of ice at dtremenak |
| 19:05.38 | DTRemenak | ...ow... |
| 19:05.56 | DTRemenak | sorry SportChick :( |
| 19:06.03 | JeffM2501 | there is no jitter in the game |
| 19:06.10 | JeffM2501 | just the jitter of the universe |
| 19:06.22 | bryjen | mercurial, isn't she |
| 19:06.27 | SportChick | it's HIS fault (pointing at DTRemenak)! He cursed me |
| 19:06.40 | JeffM2501 | once you grasp that there is no jitter, only will you be able to controll the jitter |
| 19:06.44 | jpa_ | ~bzffrag SportChick |
| 19:06.45 | ibot | ACTION tries to shoot SportChick, but misses because of the jitter |
| 19:06.56 | orange | oh my |
| 19:07.02 | DTRemenak | jpa_: you better be careful :) |
| 19:07.37 | JeffM2501 | dude she's gonna come over there and kick your butt |
| 19:07.49 | jpa_ | hmm :) |
| 19:07.57 | jpa_ | she could first clean my room then |
| 19:08.10 | JeffM2501 | why do you think she's good at cleaning? |
| 19:08.31 | jpa_ | better than me, that is sure |
| 19:08.38 | JeffM2501 | how can you say that? |
| 19:08.44 | jpa_ | hopefully she won't leave much jitter on my floor... |
| 19:09.54 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 19:10.01 | jpa_ | she quit, i didn't noticce |
| 19:10.04 | jpa_ | wonder why.. |
| 19:12.09 | jpa_ | but, someone please admit that what i did was evil |
| 19:12.21 | DTRemenak | ~jpa_-- |
| 19:12.29 | JeffM2501 | ~jpa-- |
| 19:12.29 | jpa_ | thank you |
| 19:12.37 | DTRemenak | ~jpa_-- |
| 19:12.37 | jpa_ | i feel much better now |
| 19:12.39 | JeffM2501 | ~jpa-- |
| 19:12.46 | jpa_ | hey! |
| 19:12.50 | DTRemenak | ~jpa_-- |
| 19:12.51 | JeffM2501 | ~jpa-- |
| 19:12.53 | jpa_ | some limit, please |
| 19:13.02 | JeffM2501 | ~jpa-- |
| 19:13.04 | DTRemenak | ~jpa_-- |
| 19:13.05 | jpa_ | ~karma jpa |
| 19:13.05 | ibot | jpa has karma of -2 |
| 19:13.07 | jpa_ | ~karma jpa_ |
| 19:13.07 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 15 |
| 19:13.12 | jpa_ | eww! |
| 19:13.17 | DTRemenak | ~jpa_-- |
| 19:13.17 | jpa_ | i have a lot of karma! |
| 19:13.25 | jpa_ | do not take it away :((( |
| 19:13.25 | JeffM2501 | don't make me run the karma script |
| 19:13.33 | jpa_ | ibot jpa_-- is not allowed |
| 19:13.34 | ibot | jpa_: okay |
| 19:13.34 | DTRemenak | ~jpa_-- |
| 19:13.38 | JeffM2501 | guu has the power to make or break people |
| 19:13.39 | guu | JeffM2501: But I am le-tired. |
| 19:13.50 | jpa_ | ~jpa_-- |
| 19:13.56 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 19:13.59 | JeffM2501 | you can't karma yourself |
| 19:14.01 | DTRemenak | ~jpa_-- |
| 19:14.15 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: but i did < jpa_> ibot jpa_-- is not allowed :P |
| 19:14.29 | jpa_ | testing it, and it did not work :( |
| 19:14.35 | DTRemenak | jpa_: builtin commands take precedence |
| 19:14.40 | jpa_ | :( |
| 19:14.43 | JeffM2501 | you don't want what happend to shorty114 to happen to you do you? |
| 19:14.43 | jpa_ | that is so evil |
| 19:14.50 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 19:14.54 | jpa_ | what happened to him? |
| 19:15.01 | DTRemenak | ~karma shorty114 |
| 19:15.01 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -477 |
| 19:15.11 | bryjen | jpa_-- |
| 19:15.14 | bryjen | ibot: jpa_-- |
| 19:15.32 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: oh, i so much want it! |
| 19:15.44 | JeffM2501 | or we could just ban ya |
| 19:15.45 | jpa_ | i wouldn't have any worries about karma anymore |
| 19:15.50 | jpa_ | well, yeah |
| 19:15.54 | JeffM2501 | be easyer |
| 19:16.02 | jpa_ | i'd have much more free time |
| 19:16.11 | *** topic/#bzflag by DTRemenak -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || The next person to tease SportChick about her jitter will be kicked |
| 19:16.19 | orange | hmmm, I think things are a bit oversensitive |
| 19:16.22 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by JeffM2501 |
| 19:16.25 | *** join/#bzflag Linuz_user (~wili@ppp-216-106-108-116.storm.ca) |
| 19:16.38 | Linuz_user | Wheres Cosmos? |
| 19:16.40 | jpa_ | SportChick: feeling jittery today? |
| 19:16.44 | JeffM2501 | how you can use linuz |
| 19:16.49 | *** join/#bzflag bz8145 (~3d5f85aa@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:16.50 | JeffM2501 | he's a person |
| 19:16.56 | jpa_ | no he is not |
| 19:16.58 | DTRemenak | jpa_: fortunately for you, she's not on right now |
| 19:17.00 | Linuz_user | Jeff, lol |
| 19:17.01 | bryjen | people can be used |
| 19:17.01 | jpa_ | it is linus, not linuz |
| 19:17.04 | Linuz_user | guys |
| 19:17.16 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: :( |
| 19:17.20 | bryjen | pawns and sheep! |
| 19:17.21 | Linuz_user | can we stop argueing about my name (Ice Wewe) I need a HepCat admin on the server now! |
| 19:17.22 | bryjen | ;) |
| 19:17.22 | JeffM2501 | linuz is his l33tzor brother |
| 19:17.29 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c-78bae055.17-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 19:17.42 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: but, getting banned could be good for me, i'm spending much too much time around here |
| 19:17.45 | JeffM2501 | Linuz_user, /msg cosmos |
| 19:17.50 | DTRemenak | jpa_: you could just leave |
| 19:17.55 | jpa_ | humm |
| 19:18.12 | jpa_ | no i can not |
| 19:18.15 | [dmp] | Linuz_user: why not use #hepcat ? |
| 19:18.16 | jpa_ | people here need me |
| 19:18.21 | Linuz_user | oh |
| 19:18.24 | Linuz_user | *hits head* |
| 19:18.26 | Linuz_user | thanks |
| 19:18.43 | DTRemenak | jpa_: nobody here needs anyone else to be here |
| 19:19.03 | jpa_ | i need you to be here to ban me |
| 19:19.03 | *** join/#bzflag _bubbles_ (~nadic666@toronto-HSE-ppp4268833.sympatico.ca) |
| 19:19.22 | DTRemenak | jpa_: this channel existed long before you arrived and will continue to exist long after you leave |
| 19:19.57 | JeffM2501 | this channel didn't exist when I started bzflag |
| 19:20.04 | jpa_ | i feel so useless again :/ |
| 19:20.38 | DTRemenak | jpa_: the same could be said about everyone else here, with about 5 exceptions, for whom the channel did not exist before they arrived :) |
| 19:21.17 | jpa_ | but it is different |
| 19:21.24 | jpa_ | they were here before i arrived |
| 19:21.25 | jpa_ | i was not |
| 19:22.38 | *** part/#bzflag bz8145 (~3d5f85aa@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:23.27 | JeffM2501 | you were not here when I arived |
| 19:23.37 | JeffM2501 | does that make you a figment of my imagination? |
| 19:23.47 | bryjen | Mmm, figs |
| 19:25.16 | cosmos | can i prevent non global registered players from sending any chat messages? ie they can only spawn and play nothing else |
| 19:25.28 | JeffM2501 | there is a new talk permision in cvs |
| 19:25.35 | JeffM2501 | move talk to registered |
| 19:25.46 | cosmos | gotcha, time to cvs update! |
| 19:25.56 | JeffM2501 | it's 2.0.2 oficial now |
| 19:26.13 | cosmos | even better |
| 19:30.23 | TimRiker | or to verified even |
| 19:30.27 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, so you still gonna keep 2.0.x as head? for a 2.0.4 or let it be breaking? |
| 19:31.09 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: was planning to leave it as head. got ideas for 2.1 that need scratching? |
| 19:31.22 | JeffM2501 | there are allways things that could be breaking |
| 19:31.26 | JeffM2501 | some patches are breaking |
| 19:31.33 | *** join/#bzflag osu (proxy@gate.ibr.ch) |
| 19:31.38 | JeffM2501 | but mostly just curious |
| 19:32.25 | TimRiker | I'd like to get the c-ares stuff in place that Tupone's planning. wondering what'll happen next with downloadable texture in main stream. |
| 19:32.32 | osu | hi |
| 19:32.42 | bendy24 | i wouldnt mind the ability for tanks to not be horizontal all the time |
| 19:32.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah that'll be interensting |
| 19:32.48 | TimRiker | need to hack on the jitter bug. hope to get some progress on stats merging with db. |
| 19:32.53 | JeffM2501 | bendy24, won't happen |
| 19:32.58 | bendy24 | :( |
| 19:32.59 | TimRiker | bendy24: not gonna happen. |
| 19:33.01 | JeffM2501 | no tility of the tanky |
| 19:33.06 | JeffM2501 | screws up so much stuff |
| 19:33.10 | bendy24 | would bo funny to see thanks fall of ledges |
| 19:33.16 | osu | 2.0.2 does not compile on debian out of the box, seems to be libcurl related |
| 19:33.23 | bendy24 | or cool to roll up hills |
| 19:33.25 | JeffM2501 | play UT2k4 :) |
| 19:33.29 | TimRiker | better to start with something like g3d and create a new tank game. |
| 19:33.30 | osu | anybody knows which library it could miss? |
| 19:33.37 | osu | /usr/lib/libcurl.so: undefined reference to `tld_strerror' |
| 19:33.44 | osu | /usr/lib/libcurl.so: undefined reference to `idna_strerror' |
| 19:33.48 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, it'll have a bzflag compatability mode. |
| 19:34.06 | JeffM2501 | bzflagG3d -useoldcrusyphysics |
| 19:34.07 | TimRiker | osu: I'm on an unstable box and it works here. |
| 19:34.28 | TimRiker | osu: 2.0.2 has gone into uploads, not gotten a build failure report or anything. |
| 19:34.34 | osu | i'm on sarge/testing, just updated |
| 19:35.15 | osu | aehh, i have cvs checked out, if there are alredy differences |
| 19:35.38 | bendy24 | TimRiker: maybe for version 3? |
| 19:35.56 | JeffM2501 | bendy24, it would no longer be bzflag |
| 19:36.03 | JeffM2501 | if you tilt the tank you screw up aiming |
| 19:36.18 | JeffM2501 | to compensate you have to redo aiming to let the turret tilt |
| 19:36.19 | bendy24 | yeah, i guess you would need turret control then |
| 19:36.21 | JeffM2501 | to make that work |
| 19:36.25 | JeffM2501 | you need to redo the controlls |
| 19:36.35 | JeffM2501 | then it becomes a difrent game |
| 19:36.40 | JeffM2501 | it's then quake with tanks |
| 19:36.44 | bendy24 | i was just dreaming about that this morning |
| 19:37.24 | Tupone | osu: in case you wanna test do ldd /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3.0.0 and see if the libcurl library is ok |
| 19:37.29 | JeffM2501 | bendy24, the stuff I'm working will incorporate stuff like that in difrent game modes |
| 19:37.54 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: fun |
| 19:38.06 | JeffM2501 | is it? |
| 19:38.09 | Tupone | uso: or just ldd /usr/lib/libcurl.so |
| 19:40.04 | osu | besides bzflag tries to link libs twice it links all libs libcurl has |
| 19:41.04 | TimRiker | osu: we use what curl-config --libs tells us to. |
| 19:42.34 | osu | does autoconf version matter? which autoconf version do you use? |
| 19:44.49 | bendy24 | JeffM2501: what are you working on? |
| 19:44.55 | JeffM2501 | "stuff" |
| 19:45.06 | Pimpi | at least it build fine on woody |
| 19:45.24 | osu | wow, woody on a desktop? |
| 19:45.26 | Tupone | osu i should not |
| 19:45.31 | Pimpi | no server |
| 19:45.38 | bendy24 | JeffM2501: me too :D |
| 19:45.48 | osu | ah |
| 19:45.52 | JeffM2501 | bendy24, something where you'd get your hills, your tilts, and a fair amont more. |
| 19:46.03 | bendy24 | sweet |
| 19:46.11 | bendy24 | dare i ask: gnu licensed? |
| 19:46.19 | JeffM2501 | allways |
| 19:46.24 | bendy24 | nice |
| 19:46.28 | JeffM2501 | well lgpl |
| 19:49.00 | *** part/#bzflag Privia (~Privia@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:52.17 | bendy24 | JeffM2501: url me |
| 19:52.40 | JeffM2501 | there realy isn't anything |
| 19:52.43 | JeffM2501 | www.opencombat.net |
| 19:52.46 | JeffM2501 | and posts on bzbb |
| 19:52.47 | bendy24 | oh |
| 19:52.50 | cosmos | where is the wiki on the new TALK perms etc |
| 19:53.08 | JeffM2501 | probalby not on the wiki yet |
| 19:53.14 | JeffM2501 | probally only in manpage |
| 19:53.16 | JeffM2501 | if at all |
| 19:53.56 | cosmos | i dont have TALK in the EVERYONE group yet they can still chat and spam heh |
| 19:54.17 | JeffM2501 | I think you need to specificly disallow it |
| 19:54.19 | JeffM2501 | not sure |
| 19:54.24 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (9 files in 6 dirs): ares used in bzfs, adns no more |
| 19:54.24 | JeffM2501 | orchid made the feature |
| 19:54.27 | JeffM2501 | she'd probalby know |
| 19:54.34 | bendy24 | JeffM2501: nice! i hope it turns out |
| 19:54.40 | JeffM2501 | so do I |
| 19:55.24 | cosmos | hrm, i would assume TALK gives the permission maybe !TALK takes it away |
| 19:55.33 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 20:01.32 | JeffM2501 | anyone got a current IP for redsoxfan90? he's doing bot abbuse, and server threataning again. |
| 20:02.27 | cosmos | who did he hit now |
| 20:02.41 | JeffM2501 | you apereantly |
| 20:02.50 | cosmos | oh yeah havnt caught his ip yet |
| 20:02.52 | JeffM2501 | birdie's got some stuff too |
| 20:02.57 | JeffM2501 | so he's going back on the list |
| 20:03.02 | cosmos | yeah birdie and i were tracking it yesterday |
| 20:03.10 | cosmos | thought he may have hit other servers |
| 20:03.23 | orange | somebody needs to try to call that boy's parents |
| 20:03.55 | JeffM2501 | from the screens looks like he's thretaning again, so he's done. |
| 20:04.21 | _Manu_ | this player tried to log in 60 bots in viper: 217.88.71.244 |
| 20:04.56 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 20:04.58 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, can be this.. |
| 20:05.01 | cosmos | 60 sheesh |
| 20:05.10 | _Manu_ | tried.. because bots not allowed |
| 20:05.12 | JeffM2501 | that't not the Ip I have for him |
| 20:06.27 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10admin/master-bans.txt: redsoxfan90 ( again ) for bot abuse, hacking threats, and inapropriage messages (spaming) |
| 20:06.27 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, 24.218.232.213 |
| 20:06.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's the one that's going in the list I got it from birdie too |
| 20:07.40 | JeffM2501 | masterban has been updated. |
| 20:07.51 | JeffM2501 | and mail sent |
| 20:07.55 | JeffM2501 | he had his second chance |
| 20:08.05 | *** join/#bzflag Linuz_user (~wili@ppp-216-106-108-116.storm.ca) |
| 20:08.40 | cosmos | another cable modem user |
| 20:10.23 | cosmos | aaarg, this TALK perm needs docs! :) |
| 20:11.01 | _Manu_ | you need docs for TALK? :) |
| 20:11.29 | cosmos | i cant get it so that non global registered cannot talk in the game |
| 20:11.37 | *** join/#bzflag Sgeo (~Sgeo@ool-182e9882.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:11.39 | cosmos | i dont want the spam monkeys going wild |
| 20:11.45 | _Manu_ | you must add TALK to the group |
| 20:12.04 | cosmos | TALK takes away privs? |
| 20:12.28 | brlcad | if you don't have the talk priv, you can't talk |
| 20:12.35 | cosmos | exactly |
| 20:12.40 | cosmos | my EVERYONE group has no TALK in it |
| 20:12.44 | cosmos | yet they can still chatter away |
| 20:13.14 | cosmos | EVERYONE: SPAWN LAGSTATS IDLESTATS FLAGHISTORY VOTE |
| 20:13.40 | brlcad | did you actually restart the server or just reload? |
| 20:13.54 | _Manu_ | do: /reload |
| 20:14.22 | cosmos | restarted |
| 20:15.01 | brlcad | hmm, then that's wierd ;) |
| 20:15.21 | brlcad | can everyone poll? |
| 20:16.20 | cosmos | dunno lets see |
| 20:16.55 | cosmos | no |
| 20:17.40 | _Manu_ | use: groupperms for saw what every group can do |
| 20:18.05 | _Manu_ | i think TALK is default enabled |
| 20:18.41 | cosmos | yeah it is enabled |
| 20:18.45 | cosmos | in EVERYONE |
| 20:18.52 | cosmos | i need to get rid of it heh |
| 20:18.56 | *** join/#bzflag IRCMonkey4651502 (~chatzilla@host-217-159-89-10.satlynx.net) |
| 20:18.59 | _Manu_ | then !TALK |
| 20:19.01 | *** part/#bzflag IRCMonkey4651502 (~chatzilla@host-217-159-89-10.satlynx.net) |
| 20:19.03 | cosmos | i tried that |
| 20:19.39 | bryjen | -TALK ? |
| 20:19.58 | cosmos | ok thats weird |
| 20:20.10 | cosmos | i set !TALK and restarted and had no effect |
| 20:20.18 | cosmos | i set !TALK and reloaded and it does now accoring to groupperms |
| 20:20.29 | _Manu_ | k |
| 20:21.02 | brlcad | sounds like the default groups are getting set |
| 20:21.22 | cosmos | still doesnt work |
| 20:23.35 | _Manu_ | last commited changes: |
| 20:23.37 | _Manu_ | +PERM (same as PERM) |
| 20:23.37 | _Manu_ | -PERM (removes PERM) |
| 20:23.37 | _Manu_ | !PERM (forbids PERM if it's allowed elsewhere) |
| 20:23.38 | guu | _Manu_: Guu des whakaremasen! |
| 20:24.28 | orange | those aren't in 2.0.2 are they? |
| 20:24.36 | _Manu_ | no :) |
| 20:24.51 | cosmos | that did it thanks |
| 20:24.56 | cosmos | have to use -TALK |
| 20:26.30 | *** join/#bzflag bz5193 (~18076518@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:27.10 | bz5193 | hello |
| 20:27.44 | bz5193 | anybody here? |
| 20:27.56 | _Manu_ | no :) |
| 20:28.07 | *** join/#bzflag |zongo| (~zongo@lsn-boi-catv-c121-p155.vtx.ch) |
| 20:28.31 | bz5193 | ha ha Im trying to find a server to play bztank can you help me? |
| 20:28.43 | _Manu_ | viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 20:28.48 | bz5193 | ty |
| 20:29.02 | cosmos | that should cut down the spam |
| 20:29.04 | orange | what version? |
| 20:29.10 | bz5193 | im going to try it out now ty |
| 20:29.14 | orange | bz5193: what version of bzflag |
| 20:29.22 | _Manu_ | ~viper |
| 20:29.33 | bz5193 | 2.0 |
| 20:29.44 | orange | ok, cool... don't you see any in the list? |
| 20:29.50 | bz5193 | no I dont |
| 20:29.52 | cosmos | ~hepcat |
| 20:29.56 | orange | odd |
| 20:30.02 | bz5193 | i couldnt either |
| 20:30.13 | cosmos | change that to just hepcat.org |
| 20:30.14 | osu | GvzEvxre: it's a Debian sarge problem, libcurl and libidn do not match |
| 20:30.15 | cosmos | heh |
| 20:30.20 | bz5193 | im going to try the other one |
| 20:30.53 | osu | GvzEvxre: have upgraded both to the unstable versions, now it compiles |
| 20:31.49 | bz5193 | pimpi doesnt work either |
| 20:31.59 | bz5193 | manu |
| 20:32.55 | _Manu_ | yes.. it's working |
| 20:33.01 | _Manu_ | i'm in |
| 20:33.06 | _Manu_ | ~viper |
| 20:33.10 | bz5193 | Manu ok ill try it again |
| 20:33.52 | *** join/#bzflag Sgeo_2 (~Sgeo@ool-182e9882.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:36.04 | bz5193 | manu i have no luck |
| 20:36.52 | _Manu_ | what callsign are you trying? |
| 20:37.13 | _Manu_ | and what message do you get? |
| 20:37.35 | bz5193 | ill try again later ty anyway manu |
| 20:37.51 | *** part/#bzflag bz5193 (~18076518@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:40.14 | orange | should lack of talk permission override adminmessagesend permission? |
| 20:43.54 | _Manu_ | a player can talk to admin.. |
| 20:43.58 | _Manu_ | only.. |
| 20:44.12 | orange | I failed... hmmm |
| 20:44.18 | orange | private message only? |
| 20:44.39 | _Manu_ | yep.. |
| 20:44.46 | orange | and so 'hidden' admins won't be eligible |
| 20:45.09 | _Manu_ | well.. players must be able for sendadminmessages too.. |
| 20:45.10 | brlcad | they could /msg them if they know about them |
| 20:45.37 | orange | I wonder if sendadminmessages should be a special case |
| 20:45.47 | brlcad | _Manu_: it's not based on sendadminmessages.. .. that would be to send to the admin "group" |
| 20:46.00 | orange | if someone spams the admin channel, the only people annoyed would be able to kick them |
| 20:46.23 | _Manu_ | brlcad, oh |
| 20:47.01 | brlcad | it checks if the recipient is a designated admin (@ folk) and allows to them |
| 20:47.51 | _Manu_ | brlcad, from bzfs man page: Once muted the player may only talk to admins on the server. |
| 20:48.06 | orange | that check is done on the server, right? so that's why even hidden admins can receive, but people won't know to send |
| 20:48.14 | orange | 'z' seems more easily explained in help text |
| 20:48.26 | orange | in fact, the server message that comes back could suggest it |
| 20:48.28 | brlcad | orange: yes, on the server |
| 20:48.50 | brlcad | if anything, they'll know the admin that muted them if it was /mute (iirc) |
| 20:50.02 | brlcad | if you grant them sendadminmessages (or whatever it's called), they'll be able to send to the admins |
| 20:50.12 | brlcad | but that's completely separate from talk |
| 20:50.15 | _Manu_ | that's what i mean.. |
| 20:51.01 | orange | brlcad, I don't think so |
| 20:51.22 | orange | I logged into hepcat overlord with a bad password and could not send to admin channel |
| 20:52.04 | brlcad | does hepcat have sendadminmessages on everyone or admins? |
| 20:52.17 | brlcad | it'd have to be on everyone, of course |
| 20:52.51 | orange | everyone has adminMessageSend |
| 20:52.56 | orange | according to /groupperms |
| 20:53.29 | brlcad | probably an oversight/bugish then |
| 20:53.32 | orange | but a send to admins (in bzadmin) gets me "We're sorry, your not allowed to talk!" |
| 20:53.36 | orange | (sic) |
| 20:53.42 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 20:54.10 | orange | have I filed enough of a bug report? Who wrote that part? |
| 20:55.22 | _Manu_ | i think orchid wrote it |
| 20:55.23 | brlcad | the family flower |
| 20:55.39 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:56.02 | _Manu_ | i also wanted to add #slot options to /mute /unmute |
| 20:56.26 | orange | cool |
| 20:56.45 | _Manu_ | then very easy to use it |
| 20:57.23 | _Manu_ | i'm bored about using: /mute lksj98JS987f98f7safkj for example.. heh |
| 20:57.57 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.04 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 20:58.26 | brlcad | it works |
| 20:59.03 | _Manu_ | never tried |
| 20:59.23 | brlcad | it's not tab unless you turn off the silly tab-while-talking |
| 20:59.29 | brlcad | it's some other key |
| 20:59.37 | brlcad | on the input menu |
| 20:59.41 | Birdie | masterbanlist is only for global login servers? |
| 20:59.50 | _Manu_ | brlcad, heh... |
| 21:00.03 | brlcad | Birdie: only for public servers |
| 21:00.35 | Birdie | all of them? |
| 21:00.47 | Birdie | even if you still have to do register, identify stuff? |
| 21:00.47 | brlcad | they can opt out |
| 21:01.21 | brlcad | http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 21:01.28 | brlcad | that's the active list |
| 21:02.41 | cosmos | we should make a spoogebob master ban list too that people can opt in for the massive ip block bans :) |
| 21:03.40 | brlcad | there's no block bans in the master ban list |
| 21:04.10 | cosmos | ugg |
| 21:04.14 | brlcad | we can add new ones easily enough if we have to |
| 21:04.36 | cosmos | it would be nice to have the option to opt in to the more aggressive banlists |
| 21:04.37 | osu | does it make sense to put dynamic adresses in a (global) permban list? |
| 21:04.43 | cosmos | and keep master list as very small |
| 21:04.59 | osu | you probably hit a different user next day |
| 21:05.03 | cosmos | every server i run i have to ban the class b spooge operates on |
| 21:05.10 | cosmos | its as integral as compiling bzfs itself |
| 21:05.52 | brlcad | osu: it's not very likely |
| 21:06.26 | brlcad | cosmos: and you can, that's a bit much for everyone, though -- too much potential to ban someone legitimate |
| 21:06.34 | brlcad | especially on a class b |
| 21:06.52 | osu | brlcad: what? to hit another user? or to have such addresses there? |
| 21:07.05 | cosmos | yeah but you set up a new server and can set your watch on how fast spoogebob comes in heh |
| 21:07.34 | cosmos | i envision some little troll in his parents basement |
| 21:07.39 | brlcad | osu: for a different person to actually 1) get the same IP the next day and 2) want to play BZFlag that day |
| 21:07.41 | cosmos | constantly scanning the server list |
| 21:08.30 | brlcad | cosmos: sure, he's a problem -- but not worth architecting an entire separate complexity for him |
| 21:08.32 | cosmos | most dynamics ive seen actually stick to one user for a long time |
| 21:08.59 | osu | brlcad: next day, yes, but a permban lasts a few days more normally ;) |
| 21:09.00 | brlcad | as he comes around, he can get banned -- he has to at least put as much effort into it that we do to reset his ip |
| 21:09.33 | cosmos | we went to the class b ban after i originally had over 650 ips banned for spoogebob |
| 21:09.38 | osu | and you probably do not hit the original user after at least a few days |
| 21:09.54 | brlcad | cosmos: it's completely different from isp to isp .. comcast is the very largest provider and they rarely change their ips |
| 21:09.57 | cosmos | this talk mute thing is nice. no more spams |
| 21:10.25 | jpa_ | hmm.. |
| 21:10.28 | orange | cosmos it is nice.. but also no team chatter |
| 21:10.43 | osu | more collateral damage then profit, imho it's sufficient to ban dynips a few days |
| 21:11.00 | cosmos | i dont care if they cant talk to the team |
| 21:11.05 | cosmos | they can register if they want that |
| 21:11.10 | brlcad | osu: we've yet to have any collateral damage and only benefit |
| 21:11.17 | brlcad | you don't have to use the list too |
| 21:11.23 | orange | yeah, agreed, just that people can't say 'sry' and such |
| 21:11.23 | _Manu_ | cosmos, and if they need help? ;-P |
| 21:11.26 | brlcad | so you can manage your own servers how you want |
| 21:11.49 | menotume | scanline: ping |
| 21:11.55 | osu | i know, but i could be an innocent victim ;) |
| 21:12.16 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (revol@ALyon-112-1-19-2.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:12.18 | brlcad | osu: it's simply not numerically probably at all unless you're the one causing trouble |
| 21:12.23 | _Manu_ | cosmos, just.. imagine, a newbie.. can't takl nor asking for help.. |
| 21:12.24 | brlcad | s/probably/probable/ |
| 21:12.50 | _Manu_ | s/takl/talk |
| 21:12.55 | cosmos | only downside i see is they cant talk to admins |
| 21:13.06 | brlcad | to get two bzflagers on the same non-organizational subnet is just unlikely |
| 21:13.11 | cosmos | manu: i had people sending racist spams about niggers all day and night |
| 21:13.23 | cosmos | i dont care if newbies cant talk its far less than the racist spams |
| 21:13.33 | osu | brlcad: are you believe in and play lotteries ... :)) |
| 21:13.59 | brlcad | osu: have you taken a course in statistics? :) |
| 21:14.10 | _Manu_ | cosmos, well that's admins work.. |
| 21:14.26 | cosmos | it sure is. problem solved |
| 21:14.31 | cosmos | or i can ban all of comcast |
| 21:14.37 | cosmos | thats the next move |
| 21:15.10 | _Manu_ | you also can make the server private.. the also solver ;) |
| 21:15.16 | _Manu_ | mean solved.. |
| 21:15.20 | cosmos | very true |
| 21:15.28 | cosmos | i think once we ease players into registering |
| 21:15.33 | cosmos | things will get much better |
| 21:15.39 | osu | statistics is always spoofing, especially if you are one of the exceptions :) |
| 21:15.41 | cosmos | but they need a cattle prod initially |
| 21:16.37 | brlcad | osu: if it ever does happen -- which again it never has -- it's just as easy to fix/remove as it was to add it |
| 21:17.24 | cosmos | -TALK seems to override ADMINMESSAGESEND etc |
| 21:17.55 | Pimpi | cosmos: if you and silver and me, we all three force our players to be registered at the same time (well, prolly also nid) we could make the majority of bzplayers register within a few days |
| 21:17.57 | cosmos | lets see what the code says.. |
| 21:18.01 | brlcad | cosmos: wasn't that already determined about a half hour ago? :) |
| 21:18.01 | Pimpi | imho |
| 21:18.11 | cosmos | pimpi very true |
| 21:18.16 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 21:18.17 | cosmos | brlcad i wasnt here |
| 21:18.20 | cosmos | what did i miss |
| 21:18.22 | osu | brlcad: it is only a little bit like nip things in the bud ... as master ban list is going to grow |
| 21:18.40 | orange | pimpi that would be fantastic |
| 21:19.33 | jpa_ | pimpi: me too :) |
| 21:19.45 | Pimpi | cool |
| 21:19.57 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, the last try for making the players registering was unsuccesfull... |
| 21:20.04 | Pimpi | so lets organize it |
| 21:20.09 | brlcad | osu: that's called fixing a problem that does not exist |
| 21:20.14 | Pimpi | _Manu_: but it was only us |
| 21:20.26 | Pimpi | and we had hundereds of registrations |
| 21:20.32 | _Manu_ | true :) |
| 21:20.37 | cosmos | hepcat had alot too |
| 21:20.39 | _Manu_ | and regular players |
| 21:20.44 | cosmos | just have to switch that to the global pool |
| 21:20.46 | orange | uh |
| 21:20.47 | Pimpi | and now they only have to register once |
| 21:20.53 | Pimpi | on bzbb |
| 21:20.56 | orange | forget the orange heck |
| 21:20.57 | guu | I've never heard of the orange heck, orange! |
| 21:21.04 | cosmos | and the bzbb has a valid email |
| 21:21.13 | brlcad | Pimpi: I'll still not register globally, but I'll /register :) |
| 21:21.14 | cosmos | a bit less to hide with |
| 21:21.37 | orange | brlcad is a conscientious objector |
| 21:21.51 | Pimpi | brlcad: np for me.. |
| 21:22.14 | brlcad | Pimpi: nor me :) |
| 21:22.43 | orange | 'rm is not recognizable as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file |
| 21:22.52 | Pimpi | so we are 3, need to talk to nid and silverfox |
| 21:23.01 | osu | TimRiker: did you catch my last statement? compile problem was Debian sarge related, unmatching libcurl and libidn |
| 21:23.08 | _Manu_ | jpa_, bzsh: rm -rf / : command not found |
| 21:23.15 | cosmos | we have a winner |
| 21:23.19 | cosmos | Player [10] accept() from 141.213.245.83:13703 on 21 |
| 21:23.19 | cosmos | Player a grobanite [5]: MORON |
| 21:23.20 | _Manu_ | jpa_, bash: rm -rf / : command not found |
| 21:23.21 | cosmos | Player FUCKHEPCAT [10] has joined from 141.213.245.83 at 2005-03-18 13:21:28 with token "" |
| 21:23.30 | TimRiker | osu: so resolved it? buy upgrading what? |
| 21:23.36 | TimRiker | s/buy/by/ |
| 21:23.40 | osu | _Manu_: improbable :) |
| 21:23.42 | jpa_ | _Manu_: bzsh? i so much want that :D |
| 21:23.47 | Pimpi | we can announce it for a week on srvmsg and let it run |
| 21:23.55 | TimRiker | ~rootshell rm -rf / |
| 21:23.57 | ibot | root@blootbot:~# rm -rf / bash: rm -rf /: command not found |
| 21:23.58 | _Manu_ | jpa_, i tried.. and got this.. can you try please.. |
| 21:24.27 | osu | TimRiker: upgrading libcurl3 to unstable version, forces also upgrade of libidn11 and the correlating -dev libs |
| 21:24.28 | Pimpi | late for me, g'nite |
| 21:24.40 | _Manu_ | jpa_, bzsh is my own bourne shell.. kk |
| 21:24.43 | cosmos | whats the listserv ip |
| 21:24.53 | cosmos | that connects for user totals etc |
| 21:24.56 | jpa_ | rm: cannot remove `/': No such file or directory |
| 21:25.05 | bryjen | ~nslookup db.bzflag.org |
| 21:25.17 | cosmos | cool, ill filter that out |
| 21:25.23 | cosmos | university of michigan |
| 21:25.30 | cosmos | thats one creep spamming us no more |
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| 21:25.49 | bryjen | uhm, blocking the listserver might not be a good idea |
| 21:25.55 | cosmos | no |
| 21:25.57 | jpa_ | hi braddie |
| 21:26.00 | cosmos | filtering from my log parsers |
| 21:26.20 | cosmos | i dont need to see the listserv ip when scanning for troublemakers |
| 21:26.25 | bryjen | ah, that's different then ;) |
| 21:26.31 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 21:26.46 | brad2901 | hello |
| 21:26.46 | cosmos | 141.213.245.83 |
| 21:26.51 | cosmos | theres one racist spammer |
| 21:31.33 | osu | _Manu_: week unix tools nowadays ;) |
| 21:31.57 | osu | i've flattened a system this way, don't remember if it was linux or solaris |
| 21:32.26 | osu | although it didn't came to the end :) |
| 21:32.46 | cosmos | ok i modified bzfs to issue the bzbb url for registration every time they try to talk |
| 21:34.41 | _Manu_ | osu, you need admin rights for succesfull executing rm -Rf / |
| 21:35.23 | osu | ah, ok, i assumed that :) |
| 21:36.17 | osu | it's not a real game trying such things without full permissions *g* |
| 21:36.18 | _Manu_ | i never did it ;-P |
| 21:36.43 | _Manu_ | but i'll would like to see your face when you did :) |
| 21:37.02 | osu | it was by intend |
| 21:37.13 | _Manu_ | oh.. :( |
| 21:37.25 | osu | only deleted smaller trees by accident so far |
| 21:37.52 | _Manu_ | well.. you allways can use unrm -Rf / |
| 21:38.00 | osu | lol |
| 21:38.33 | osu | a nice try is also: rf -Rf .* |
| 21:38.56 | osu | this i have done ... ended up somewhat unexpected |
| 21:40.09 | _Manu_ | heh.. all your user configs.. gone |
| 21:40.28 | jpa_ | umm |
| 21:40.36 | osu | mine? ALL user configs were gone ... .* includes .. |
| 21:40.37 | jpa_ | i think also all in ./ gone :) |
| 21:40.51 | jpa_ | and ../ too :) |
| 21:40.58 | osu | aeh, all user home dirs |
| 21:42.12 | osu | since thar time i avoid any combination of rm -R and * :) |
| 21:42.52 | _Manu_ | better try: mv / /dev/null |
| 21:44.14 | osu | hmm, would be a nice try next time i have to ground a test system |
| 21:44.47 | _Manu_ | np.. you allways can do: /mv /dev/null// / |
| 21:55.33 | JeffM2501 | queen of mabye? |
| 21:55.56 | brlcad | maybe |
| 21:56.06 | JeffM2501 | should have called it the "jitterbug" release |
| 21:56.48 | brlcad | yeah |
| 21:57.22 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 21:57.34 | JeffM2501 | but then someone may cry |
| 21:57.39 | JeffM2501 | and that would be be bad |
| 21:58.34 | osu | could name the next one so, if it's fixed :) |
| 21:58.58 | JeffM2501 | no that would be "there is no jitter" |
| 21:59.08 | osu | thats no fun :) |
| 22:00.09 | brlcad | ~bzfrag timriker for the queen of maybe instead of jitterbug |
| 22:00.12 | ibot | ACTION blindsides timriker for the queen of maybe instead of jitterbug with an invisible bullet |
| 22:00.37 | JeffM2501 | so no word ever from the bz guy? |
| 22:00.38 | JeffM2501 | ever? |
| 22:01.05 | osu | oh, someone is weeding out sprintf's :) |
| 22:01.34 | brlcad | JeffM2501: not a peep |
| 22:01.53 | JeffM2501 | did you ever send him anything else? |
| 22:03.15 | brlcad | not since the last one a few weeks ago |
| 22:04.33 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't prevent players that don't have TALK from sending to the admin group |
| 22:04.35 | JeffM2501 | :( |
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| 22:06.17 | brlcad | cosmos: should be fixed now |
| 22:06.44 | _Manu_ | bug: [ 1162720 ] Team Flag Disappearance with certain Player Names this is wrong.. |
| 22:07.13 | _Manu_ | team flag disapperance is because wrong team players coung |
| 22:07.19 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Players without TALK can send to the Admin group |
| 22:07.20 | _Manu_ | count.. |
| 22:07.54 | cosmos | cool |
| 22:08.15 | cosmos | thanks brlcad |
| 22:08.50 | bryjen | src/Makefile.am:121: trailing backslash on last line |
| 22:09.17 | bryjen | hrm |
| 22:10.57 | osu | do i have to install a lot of stuff to compile bzflag on win xp? |
| 22:11.31 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/Makefile.am: ugh, that's not how EXTRA_DIST is supposed to be used, but if you're gonna, can't have the trailing slash |
| 22:15.25 | bz1397 | osu - if you want to compile on windows xp you need to have Visual Studio. You could also use MinGW or Dev-C , or maybe cygwin. All options require a fair bit of prep work. |
| 22:15.52 | JeffM2501 | mingw and devC++ should work just fine |
| 22:16.07 | JeffM2501 | there are even devC++ projecs in the sourcebase |
| 22:16.22 | JeffM2501 | asuming lan kept them updated |
| 22:17.10 | osu | have visual c++ on a box here, question was more for additional libs or so |
| 22:17.16 | bz1397 | JeffM2501 - I know that MinGW compilation works fine, because that's how I do it. Don't know if the others are up to date. |
| 22:17.26 | JeffM2501 | libcurl is about all you need |
| 22:17.36 | JeffM2501 | and directX7 sdk or better |
| 22:18.03 | JeffM2501 | tho you may allready have that depending on your VC version |
| 22:18.51 | bz1397 | When I compiled with MinGW, I had to compile curl from source. The precompiled developer package that they have at curl.haxx.se would not compile because it didn't have something that bzflag needs. |
| 22:19.10 | JeffM2501 | you probalby got a SSL libcurl |
| 22:19.10 | bz1397 | I think it was curl-config that was missing... |
| 22:19.16 | JeffM2501 | you don't want the SLL version |
| 22:19.18 | bz1397 | Nope - nonssl |
| 22:19.24 | JeffM2501 | for VC they just give you a lib |
| 22:19.29 | JeffM2501 | there is no config script |
| 22:19.41 | JeffM2501 | since it's in a DLL it's decently easy |
| 22:19.43 | JeffM2501 | unless you do SLL |
| 22:20.09 | JeffM2501 | osu what version of VC do you have? |
| 22:20.26 | osu | have to look for it ... was only an idea, not for today |
| 22:20.41 | osu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.42 | JeffM2501 | the posted binarys wont work for you? |
| 22:20.46 | JeffM2501 | ahh a good vc |
| 22:20.52 | JeffM2501 | you will just need curl then |
| 22:21.40 | cosmos | hrm |
| 22:21.44 | cosmos | still cant send to admins |
| 22:22.22 | osu | have not tried the bins, as i said, was just an idea ... compiling it is more fun and a bit of learning |
| 22:22.31 | JeffM2501 | that it is |
| 22:22.38 | JeffM2501 | it's prety easy with VC |
| 22:22.46 | osu | never have compiled a program under windows so far, iirc |
| 22:22.46 | brlcad | cosmos: oh, hrm |
| 22:22.54 | JeffM2501 | it's not that exciting |
| 22:23.00 | JeffM2501 | you just hit F7 and wait :) |
| 22:23.10 | osu | lol |
| 22:23.19 | JeffM2501 | then it makes a "bing" sound |
| 22:23.45 | osu | no challenge if all is in place :) |
| 22:24.31 | brlcad | yeah, I see what it is -- refixing |
| 22:27.51 | Tupone | brlcad: is Mac fine with c-ares build ? |
| 22:28.27 | brlcad | Tupone: no idea -- haven't built in a while |
| 22:28.46 | brlcad | cosmos: there, try that |
| 22:28.57 | Tupone | I saw you changed Makefile, so bad guess :( |
| 22:29.06 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: take two -- null data on logical player group since it's not a real player? |
| 22:29.29 | brlcad | Tupone: just fixed after "17:08 < bryjen> src/Makefile.am:121: trailing backslash on last line" |
| 22:35.38 | osu | do you have a primary repository on bzflag.org, which will be synced to sourceforge from time to time? |
| 22:35.55 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org IS SF |
| 22:36.08 | osu | oops |
| 22:36.15 | JeffM2501 | there is only 1 repository |
| 22:36.40 | osu | but i do not get the changes announced here if i do a cvs update |
| 22:36.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah SF keeps anon CVS a bit behind |
| 22:37.04 | JeffM2501 | suposedly that is going to change soon |
| 22:37.13 | osu | ah, ther's the lag :) |
| 22:37.17 | brlcad | yeah, not for much longer if not sync'd already |
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| 22:46.27 | bz0893 | ~bzfquery 66.181.6.196:5255 |
| 22:47.06 | bz0893 | ~bzfquery 66.181.6.196:5154 |
| 22:47.41 | bz0893 | Anyone here? |
| 22:48.33 | brlcad | ahh, the beauty of patience |
| 22:48.38 | osu | :) |
| 22:54.34 | JeffM2501 | patience.. yeah yeah yeah, how long does that take? |
| 22:56.27 | osu | decades |
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| 22:57.20 | osu | could it be that you have much more control in jumping with 2.0 than with 1.10? |
| 22:57.46 | osu | or am i mistaken? |
| 22:57.50 | JeffM2501 | only with wings |
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| 22:58.00 | osu | no no, without it |
| 22:58.00 | JeffM2501 | with out wings there is no controll |
| 22:58.12 | Tupone | osu, yeah you have (in some way) |
| 22:58.29 | Tupone | you can jump more timed |
| 22:58.30 | osu | constantly jumping i mean |
| 22:58.35 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 22:58.49 | osu | i can set direction and spin with mouse for the next jump |
| 22:58.53 | JeffM2501 | jump reset was lower? |
| 22:59.02 | osu | in 1.10 it was more randomly |
| 22:59.03 | Tupone | trepan did it, for jumping from trampoline |
| 22:59.11 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:59.56 | Tupone | when you press the jump button he recorded it, and then, at the first opportunity, it jump |
| 23:00.24 | Tupone | unless you release before |
| 23:00.56 | JeffM2501 | so it's posible to keep jumping by holding the button down |
| 23:00.59 | osu | that's nice (if only there were not those wings *duck*) |
| 23:01.13 | Tupone | not holding, pressing some time before |
| 23:01.18 | JeffM2501 | just disable that flag |
| 23:01.21 | Tupone | it is reset if you do not release |
| 23:01.27 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 23:01.32 | JeffM2501 | how did it used to work? |
| 23:01.55 | Tupone | if you press and you cannot jump because in air, it just do not jump |
| 23:02.14 | JeffM2501 | so you used to have to repress when you laned |
| 23:02.15 | Tupone | and that happens even if you, after that, land |
| 23:02.18 | Tupone | yeah |
| 23:02.19 | JeffM2501 | landed |
| 23:02.30 | JeffM2501 | sounds like a good change then |
| 23:02.50 | Tupone | I like it |
| 23:03.01 | Tupone | except when I have to kill a jumping player :( |
| 23:03.04 | bryjen | !seen DTRemenak |
| 23:03.04 | guu | bryjen: DTRemenak was last seen here 3 hours, 40 minutes, and 35 seconds ago saying: * DTRemenak wanders off to take a shower |
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| 23:04.21 | osu | another minor thing, i've noticed yesterday that shots on the radar seem to come from the back of the tank, not from the front or the middle |
| 23:04.39 | osu | is it an issue of my driver or has there changed something in 2.0 |
| 23:04.41 | osu | ? |
| 23:05.08 | Tupone | osu: that is the setting of the line shot in the menu .. lagging or ... I don't remember |
| 23:05.44 | Tupone | lagging versus leading |
| 23:06.34 | Tupone | option -> GUI settings -> Radar Shot Line |
| 23:06.40 | osu | oops, i thought this is for drawing during the shot, not where it comes out |
| 23:07.46 | osu | so the ball comes out of the middle of the tank, but the trailing bar of the shot will already be drawn? |
| 23:08.04 | Tupone | yeah |
| 23:08.23 | Tupone | unless you choose the leading |
| 23:08.23 | osu | i.e. it exceeds the back of the tank? |
| 23:08.44 | osu | somewhat irritating |
| 23:08.54 | osu | this was better solved in 1.10 |
| 23:08.57 | Tupone | I know. Most people find it irritant |
| 23:09.03 | Tupone | and choose the other way |
| 23:09.27 | brlcad | did someone forget to take DTRemenak out of the shower again? |
| 23:09.56 | osu | but the other way also irritates, like an arrow reverse fired |
| 23:10.44 | osu | he never needs a cl flag then :) |
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| 23:42.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/misc/art/logo.psd: font change in logo |
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