irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050301

`00:00.12`	`JeffM2501`	`guu list alias`
`00:00.14`	`guu`	`JeffM2501: add, blog, bzflagcia, bzflist, bzfquery, d, devcommits, lock, playerlist, projectcommits, remove, sdf, serverstats, unlock, and x`
`00:00.20`	`JeffM2501`	`guu list devcommits`
`00:00.21`	`bz8754`	`whould anybody know what provides SDL?`
`00:00.24`	`retro`	`JeffM, nm. I added a hyphen. Silly me. :)`
`00:00.34`	`JeffM2501`	`bz8754, sdl does, www.libsdl.org`
`00:00.50`	`TimRiker`	`guu: list alias`
`00:00.50`	`JeffM2501`	`guu help devcommits`
`00:00.51`	`guu`	`TimRiker: add, blog, bzflagcia, bzflist, bzfquery, d, devcommits, lock, playerlist, projectcommits, remove, sdf, serverstats, unlock, and x`
`00:00.52`	`guu`	`JeffM2501: (devcommits <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for 'rss http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/$1/.rss'`
`00:01.00`	`JeffM2501`	`there ya go :)`
`00:01.07`	`retro`	`bz8754, do you mean what features does it provide? It was described to me as a cross platform DirectX.`
`00:01.18`	`TimRiker`	`ibot: rss http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/timriker/.rss`
`00:01.27`	`TimRiker`	`hehe`
`00:01.36`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag uses it for sound, and to bring up a window, and for stuff like joystick support on linux and other OSs`
`00:02.05`	`JeffM2501`	`yay ibot is in the 21st century`
`00:02.25`	`JeffM2501`	`TimRiker, how has your infobot/blootbot merge been going?`
`00:02.59`	`TimRiker`	`JeffM2501: slowly. most of the blootbots on freenode are converging at present. some of the infobot forks are watching.`
`00:03.11`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`00:03.20`	`JeffM2501`	`last basions of ibotness :)`
`00:04.04`	`retro`	`finally.`
`00:04.21`	`retro`	`JeffM and DTR have located older 1.11.x builds for you to download and install.`
`00:04.27`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm don't see a feed for per dev per project stats`
`00:04.30`	`retro`	`then we need to get Nid to install the corresponding servers`
`00:04.43`	`retro`	`then hopefully we can get some good data on your problem sc.`
`00:04.58`	`SportChick`	`ok`
`00:05.04`	`SportChick`	`I have some of the old 1.11 versions to`
`00:05.18`	`retro`	`I'll e-mail you the URLs to download.`
`00:05.25`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have an idea of what version range it is in?`
`00:05.33`	`SportChick`	`let's see, I have .33, .35, .36, .38, and .41`
`00:05.38`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: no, I don't`
`00:05.40`	`JeffM2501`	`was .33 good?`
`00:05.42`	`JeffM2501`	`or bad?`
`00:05.47`	`JeffM2501`	`or you don't know?`
`00:05.58`	`SportChick`	`I could do incremental jumps from say early 20s and then work backwards if I see the jump`
`00:06.02`	`SportChick`	`no, I don't know`
`00:06.15`	`JeffM2501`	`well when I get home, I can run a 1.10 server`
`00:06.20`	`JeffM2501`	`and we can get a baseline`
`00:06.22`	`SportChick`	`okay, thanks jeffm`
`00:06.24`	`JeffM2501`	`then a 2.0 and bracket in`
`00:06.28`	`retro`	`well, the ones you're missing (that were posted) are 23, 24, 25, 27, 28`
`00:06.29`	`JeffM2501`	`if your going to be around?`
`00:06.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I can build any version for her too :)`
`00:06.42`	`SportChick`	`yes I should`
`00:06.53`	`retro`	`JeffM is so helpful.`
`00:06.57`	`retro`	`~jeffm2501++`
`00:07.00`	`JeffM2501`	`naw not realy`
`00:07.01`	`SportChick`	`if you are looking for me, ping me in AIM - if I'm away from my computer it will go to my phone`
`00:07.05`	`JeffM2501`	`I just want her to take a cat :)`
`00:07.06`	`SportChick`	`~JeffM2501++`
`00:07.09`	`SportChick`	`~retro++`
`00:07.15`	`SportChick`	`~DTRemenak++`
`00:07.19`	`SportChick`	`~Tupone++`
`00:07.22`	`SportChick`	`~Nidhoggr++`
`00:07.35`	`SportChick`	`~MeBigFatGuy++`
`00:07.38`	`SportChick`	`~Chestal++`
`00:07.48`	`SportChick`	`did I miss anyone?`
`00:07.50`	`JeffM2501`	`~ibot++`
`00:08.01`	`JeffM2501`	`~guu--`
`00:08.12`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot karma guu`
`00:08.12`	`ibot`	`guu has karma of 8`
`00:08.12`	`guu`	`I have no idea.`
`00:08.14`	`SportChick`	`awwww...why did you diss guu`
`00:08.15`	`guu`	`I have no idea.`
`00:08.23`	`JeffM2501`	`she's old`
`00:08.28`	`SportChick`	`hehe`
`00:08.42`	`JeffM2501`	`and she needs to maintain her "bad girl" rep`
`00:09.27`	`JeffM2501`	`that should do it`
`00:10.59`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`dont forget the pattin leathers...`
`00:11.10`	`JeffM2501`	`knee high of course`
`00:11.40`	`bz8754`	`just installed SDL and still configure complains : "no SDL"`
`00:11.50`	`SportChick`	`no, she needs saddlebacks`
`00:11.51`	`JeffM2501`	`did you install SDL dev?`
`00:11.53`	`JeffM2501`	`or runtime?`
`00:12.06`	`JeffM2501`	`what is a saddleback?`
`00:12.45`	`Tupone`	`bz8754: linux or MacOS? rm config.cache`
`00:12.58`	`SportChick`	`this is a new updated version of the saddleback: http://www.golfreview.com/shoes/Bite%20Shoes/PRD_325481_2944crx.aspx`
`00:13.04`	`Tupone`	`if you have installed SDL dev`
`00:13.24`	`JeffM2501`	`those arn't hip and edgy`
`00:13.30`	`JeffM2501`	`they look nice tho`
`00:13.47`	`JeffM2501`	`she can use those when she goes walking`
`00:13.49`	`SportChick`	`they were very popular back in the day`
`00:13.56`	`JeffM2501`	`guu's not that old`
`00:14.03`	`JeffM2501`	`just 1/2 a version`
`00:14.29`	`JeffM2501`	`she's like the 18 year old who's still in high school`
`00:14.36`	`bz8754`	`linux`
`00:14.44`	`JeffM2501`	`what package did you install?`
`00:14.46`	`JeffM2501`	`for SDL?`
`00:15.56`	`*** join/#bzflag bz8754 (~188dab1d@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`00:16.12`	`bz8754`	`SDL-2.2.8-1.i386.rpm`
`00:16.35`	`Tupone`	`try to install SDL-dev-2.2.8-1.i386.rpm`
`00:16.51`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah you want dev`
`00:16.57`	`JeffM2501`	`cus your building a thing that needs SDL`
`00:17.05`	`JeffM2501`	`not using a prebuilt binary that uses SDL`
`00:18.17`	`bz8754`	`tried src but i have a feeling it wasn't installed`
`00:18.22`	`bz8754`	`okay..`
`00:18.37`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't need the source to SDL`
`00:18.40`	`JeffM2501`	`just the dev package`
`00:18.48`	`JeffM2501`	`that will give you the headers and libs that bzflag needs`
`00:19.02`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't need to build SDL from source, bz just needs headers and libs.`
`00:19.16`	`JeffM2501`	`the non dev package just puts in the runtime libs`
`00:20.33`	`bz8754`	`hmm just installed SDL-devel-1.2.8-1.i386.rpm and it still yells 'no SDL!'`
`00:20.43`	`JeffM2501`	`did you redo configure?`
`00:21.05`	`JeffM2501`	`well you also don't NEED Sdl`
`00:21.08`	`bz8754`	`yes`
`00:21.11`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag should build with out it`
`00:21.14`	`Tupone`	`rm config.cache`
`00:21.22`	`JeffM2501`	`or that`
`00:21.55`	`bz8754`	`doesn't build and i'm trying to take care of deps`
`00:22.12`	`JeffM2501`	`does it give you openGL errors too?`
`00:22.28`	`JeffM2501`	`GL , libCURL, are the most important`
`00:22.39`	`JeffM2501`	`bz has options to build with or with out SDL`
`00:22.45`	`bz8754`	`removed cache, configuring again..`
`00:22.58`	`Nidhoggr`	`compiling now.`
`00:23.04`	`Nidhoggr`	`just got home.`
`00:23.05`	`bz8754`	`ight on.. cache it was`
`00:23.13`	`SportChick`	`Nidhoggr: thanks!`
`00:23.29`	`JeffM2501`	`not having SDL should not make the client not build, your probably missing something else`
`00:23.32`	`JeffM2501`	`like OpenGL`
`00:23.33`	`bz8754`	`libcurl is now enabled... hopefully this will do it`
`00:23.42`	`bz8754`	`thank you`
`00:24.29`	`bz8754`	`as far as opengl, do i need mesa_devel or something?`
`00:24.53`	`JeffM2501`	`depends`
`00:24.58`	`JeffM2501`	`what video card do you have`
`00:25.11`	`bz8754`	`nvidia 5200`
`00:25.20`	`JeffM2501`	`there should be a nvidia dev package`
`00:25.35`	`JeffM2501`	`if your using the drivers from nvidia, not the "nv" ones X ships with`
`00:25.39`	`Tupone`	`What kind of linux you got?`
`00:25.49`	`bz8754`	`bloody mandrake doesn't have much on those 3 cds..`
`00:26.08`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh xorg`
`00:26.18`	`bz8754`	`and bloody debian doesn't support reiser or ext3`
`00:26.24`	`bz8754`	`yes xorg`
`00:26.48`	`JeffM2501`	`reiser was an option too`
`00:26.49`	`bz8754`	`hmm`
`00:26.58`	`bz8754`	`not in my install..`
`00:27.03`	`JeffM2501`	`has been since 2.4 kernel`
`00:27.11`	`JeffM2501`	`you on old woody disks not using the 2.4 kernel?`
`00:27.24`	`bz8754`	`just downloaded woody 2 days ago and could not believe my eyes`
`00:27.32`	`JeffM2501`	`woody is WAY old`
`00:27.35`	`JeffM2501`	`you want sarge`
`00:27.45`	`JeffM2501`	`or do a bf24 when you install woddy`
`00:27.50`	`JeffM2501`	`then it'll use the 2.4 kernel`
`00:27.55`	`JeffM2501`	`sarge installer is great`
`00:27.59`	`bz8754`	`it could take existing ext3 for anything other than root tho`
`00:28.17`	`JeffM2501`	`all my stuff is ext3 with sarge`
`00:28.25`	`bz8754`	`sarge? i went on their site and it said it's latest stable`
`00:28.35`	`bz8754`	`woody i mean`
`00:28.36`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah sarge is in the final statges of "testing"`
`00:28.43`	`JeffM2501`	`theyve had some feature creep`
`00:28.47`	`JeffM2501`	`sarge is plenty stable`
`00:28.52`	`bz8754`	`why would i want to install beta?`
`00:28.56`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not beta`
`00:29.03`	`JeffM2501`	`its' the same stuff your mandrake is :)`
`00:29.15`	`JeffM2501`	`they just have internal dev issues on naming it "stable"`
`00:29.27`	`JeffM2501`	`they have had dev leave and stuff`
`00:29.44`	`bz8754`	`in mandrake at least i can install in 10 minutes and get sound, network and picture right away`
`00:29.56`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah my sarge isntall did that too, from a 80 meg CD :)`
`00:30.03`	`JeffM2501`	`with current packages for everything else`
`00:30.25`	`Tupone`	`bz8754: I was asking because some distro use/can use package for NVIDIA 3D acceleration`
`00:30.35`	`JeffM2501`	`gentoo has a slick installer too`
`00:30.36`	`Tupone`	`and they have some include`
`00:30.42`	`bz8754`	`hmm maybe i'll give it second chance then.. odn't like direction mandrake is going`
`00:30.43`	`JeffM2501`	`dono what mandrage has`
`00:30.57`	`JeffM2501`	`gentoo is suposed to be the real poweruser one`
`00:31.02`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I can't install it`
`00:31.06`	`JeffM2501`	`it kicks my butt`
`00:31.07`	`bz8754`	`i got package from nvidia site..`
`00:31.30`	`bz8754`	`the nv that comes with mandrake doesn't have accel`
`00:31.34`	`JeffM2501`	`nvidia can use it's own GL, so sometimes you need there headers`
`00:31.45`	`JeffM2501`	`none of the nv's have hardware`
`00:31.50`	`JeffM2501`	`the hardware drivers are closed source`
`00:32.13`	`bz8754`	`h`
`00:32.18`	`bz8754`	`ah i mean`
`00:32.30`	`bz8754`	`make is taking a while`
`00:32.44`	`JeffM2501`	`welcome to linux :)`
`00:33.13`	`bz8754`	`what's new in sarge? is installer half-decent?`
`00:33.29`	`Tupone`	`nope :/`
`00:33.32`	`bz8754`	`well i've being using it for 7 years now..`
`00:33.42`	`bz8754`	`linux i mean`
`00:33.45`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy the new installer is prety easy`
`00:34.01`	`Tupone`	`Didn't saw, then :/`
`00:34.01`	`JeffM2501`	`it's still the text based blue dialog thing, it's just very fast and simple now`
`00:34.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it's new`
`00:34.15`	`JeffM2501`	`like last 1/2 of last year`
`00:34.18`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka_ (~Doug@adsl-18-106-89.sdf.bellsouth.net)`
`00:34.26`	`bz8754`	`actually the one that comes with woody is ok too.. except for few retarded questions`
`00:34.36`	`JeffM2501`	`sarge can use that one, or the new one`
`00:34.43`	`JeffM2501`	`the new one takes out a lot of those questions`
`00:34.58`	`JeffM2501`	`you can still edit the options if you want, it just picks sane defaults for most of them now`
`00:35.12`	`bz8754`	`so, all i need is one CD? or was it net install CD?`
`00:35.22`	`JeffM2501`	`it was a net install`
`00:35.34`	`JeffM2501`	`full CD kit is like 7 disks IIRC`
`00:35.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it's tied into apt`
`00:35.43`	`Grumbler`	`if I can use sarge, anyone can use sarge`
`00:35.57`	`bz8754`	`hmm i'll try it..`
`00:36.03`	`JeffM2501`	`since your going to end up updating all the packages via apt over the net anyway, why bother with a 7 disk set?`
`00:36.19`	`bz8754`	`too bad i'm spoiled with mandrake goodies..`
`00:36.25`	`JeffM2501`	`like?`
`00:36.44`	`bz8754`	`exactly.. i only got 2 last time`
`00:36.56`	`*** join/#bzflag Fuddl (~fuddl@tittchen.saustall.busn.org)`
`00:37.15`	`bz8754`	`like office stuff.. i don't use win too much you know`
`00:37.24`	`Grumbler`	`the last few apt's have really solidified sarge for my system`
`00:37.39`	`Grumbler`	`openoffice is free`
`00:37.45`	`bz8754`	`in what sense?`
`00:37.57`	`Grumbler`	`apt gets it`
`00:37.58`	`JeffM2501`	`in the sense that's it's a package and you just apt-get it`
`00:38.00`	`bz8754`	`is there apt?`
`00:38.03`	`bz8754`	`ah`
`00:38.04`	`JeffM2501`	`apt-get installs most things`
`00:38.12`	`JeffM2501`	`apt-get install bzflag :)`
`00:38.21`	`bz8754`	`well most available things youmean?`
`00:38.32`	`JeffM2501`	`a damn lot`
`00:38.36`	`JeffM2501`	`guu debian bzflag`
`00:38.37`	`bz8754`	`i'm used to shorewall.. is it available in apt?`
`00:38.49`	`JeffM2501`	`bz8754, depends on what apt sources you add`
`00:38.59`	`JeffM2501`	`you can add as many apt repositorys as you want`
`00:39.36`	`bz8754`	`hy would i need many?`
`00:40.13`	`Tupone`	`the apt equivalent in mandrake is urpmi`
`00:40.17`	`bz8754`	`i know how apt works.. I admin the debian server remotely`
`00:40.32`	`bz8754`	`yeye i know`
`00:40.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`do I need to do any more than one -d when I run this server?`
`00:42.08`	`bz8754`	`oh joy oh bliss.. it compiled!`
`00:42.16`	`bz8754`	`and built`
`00:42.29`	`bz8754`	`i can't believe my luck`
`00:43.07`	`bz8754`	`thing is mandrake used to be almost carbon copy of redhat as far as nuts and bolts..`
`00:43.22`	`JeffM2501`	`Nidhoggr, you don't have to run servers for SC, I was going to run some at my home`
`00:43.27`	`bz8754`	`but now it's trying to be different and that sucks kinda`
`00:43.42`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`-d is fine`
`00:43.46`	`Nidhoggr`	`JeffM2501: MeBigFatGuy made a server with logging for packets.`
`00:43.49`	`Nidhoggr`	`it's running now.`
`00:43.50`	`JeffM2501`	`ahhh`
`00:43.51`	`JeffM2501`	`got it`
`00:43.52`	`JeffM2501`	`sorry`
`00:43.54`	`Nidhoggr`	`with 1 -d`
`00:44.01`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`thats fine`
`00:44.02`	`Nidhoggr`	`SportChick: ping`
`00:44.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`00:44.13`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`have sportchick drive around by herself`
`00:44.24`	`Nidhoggr`	`nod`
`00:44.37`	`bz8754`	`hey chick, how are u?`
`00:44.39`	`JeffM2501`	`server side loging of her jitter?`
`00:44.46`	`Nidhoggr`	`yep`
`00:44.54`	`JeffM2501`	`Nidhoggr, IM her, she was out and about, so she has her phone on her.`
`00:44.55`	`*** join/#bzflag guu (guu@myth.gibbscam.com)`
`00:45.01`	`JeffM2501`	`guu debian bzflag`
`00:45.01`	`SportChick`	`Nidhoggr: pong`
`00:45.08`	`Nidhoggr`	`chickie 5998`
`00:45.14`	`SportChick`	`Nidhoggr: which version?`
`00:45.15`	`guu`	`JeffM2501: (debian <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Debian plugin. Use 'list Debian' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Debian' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command to use.`
`00:45.18`	`Nidhoggr`	`go drive around for a b it by yourself.`
`00:45.20`	`Nidhoggr`	`2.0`
`00:45.24`	`SportChick`	`ok`
`00:45.25`	`JeffM2501`	`guu debian version bzflag`
`00:45.28`	`guu`	`JeffM2501: 6 matches found: bzflag (stable: 1.7e4); bzflag (testing: 2.0.0.20050118); bzflag (unstable: 2.0.0.20050118); bzflag-server (stable: 1.7e4); bzflag-server (testing: 2.0.0.20050118); bzflag-server (unstable: 2.0.0.20050118)`
`00:45.33`	`JeffM2501`	`good girl guu`
`00:45.34`	`guu`	`I don't know!`
`00:46.08`	`bz8754`	`qewl`
`00:46.12`	`SportChick`	`Nidhoggr: connected for 2 seconds and server unexpectedly disconnected - can't rejoin`
`00:47.14`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm.`
`00:47.22`	`Nidhoggr`	`annoying broken stuff. :(`
`00:47.23`	`JeffM2501`	`FC3 was also a nice install`
`00:47.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`let me see if I can kick it.`
`00:47.30`	`JeffM2501`	`they changed to xorg as well`
`00:48.55`	`SportChick`	`Nidhoggr: happened again. :(`
`00:49.08`	`Nidhoggr`	`well, the code is broken then.`
`00:49.16`	`Nidhoggr`	`it patched fine and didn't error.`
`00:50.18`	`*** join/#bzflag Legoguy_ (~Lego\|Desk@adsl-67-36-178-174.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net)`
`00:50.23`	`Nidhoggr`	`it crashes completely.`
`00:56.52`	`Legoguy`	`trepan: you got that "evil snowman" map aroud still?`
`00:56.59`	`Legoguy`	`around*`
`00:59.34`	`Nidhoggr`	`I could give mbfg an account on secretplace and he could compile his patch and fix the broken bits.`
`01:00.43`	`Nidhoggr`	`I have a dinner appointment in about 45 minutes.`
`01:03.42`	`Nidhoggr`	`chickie: can you reconnect. it will probably dump you again, but we will be able to see why hopefull.y`
`01:04.11`	`SportChick`	`yes, nid, one sec`
`01:04.55`	`Nidhoggr`	`let me know if/when it dumps on you.`
`01:04.59`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`anyone know of protobusts in current cvs?`
`01:07.23`	`Grumbler`	`heavy sleet now...roads are going to be a mess tomorrow`
`01:11.14`	`*** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c5b-b-192.stmnca.adelphia.net)`
`01:11.35`	`SportChick`	`Nidhoggr: I stayed on that time about 5 seconds before I got disconnected`
`01:15.02`	`Nidhoggr`	`recvfrom(4, "\0\33psAX\33 \0\0\0\0\2\0\1:t\21\247\23\353\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 1024,`
`01:15.02`	`Nidhoggr`	`0, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1084), sin_addr=inet_addr("68.68.201.192")`
`01:15.02`	`Nidhoggr`	`}, [16]) = 31`
`01:15.02`	`Nidhoggr`	`--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---`
`01:15.31`	`Nidhoggr`	`whatevver that means. :-P`
`01:15.40`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`not my change ;)`
`01:15.49`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`does SportChick have the latest cvs?`
`01:16.01`	`Nidhoggr`	`probably not.`
`01:16.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`she has installed 2.0 client.`
`01:16.20`	`SportChick`	`I also have 2.0.1b2`
`01:17.17`	`SportChick`	`(and 2.0.1b1)`
`01:17.30`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`i guess try b2`
`01:19.52`	`SportChick`	`menotume: can't connect at all now`
`01:20.00`	`SportChick`	`MeBigFatGuy: can't connect at all now`
`01:20.05`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`:)`
`01:20.14`	`retro`	`hrm, someone probably needs to restart the server after that last crash.`
`01:20.17`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`JeffM2501, in th huzzuous?`
`01:20.51`	`retro`	`perhaps it should be put in a loop with a sleep 5 so instant crashes don't suck all CPU resources?`
`01:22.31`	`SportChick`	`crashed again with 2.0.1b2`
`01:23.48`	`retro`	`because someone is reading location 0. :)`
`01:23.54`	`Nidhoggr`	`recent code is broken.`
`01:24.06`	`Nidhoggr`	`not sure what the issue is.`
`01:27.09`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`Nidhoggr, nothing printed out for -d before the crash?`
`01:31.04`	`Nidhoggr`	`nope`
`01:31.09`	`Nidhoggr`	`just her join`
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`01:36.56`	`SportChick`	`nid suggested you build a non-sdl version for me`
`01:38.14`	`Aribeth`	`does it have adns included?`
`01:39.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`I am using adns`
`01:39.38`	`Aribeth`	`i found that bzfs would crash with adns included. don't know it that would affect the client`
`01:40.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`it shouldn't be crashing with adns... that has to be a new bug, because my regular server is using it with no problems.`
`01:40.53`	`JeffM2501`	`MeBigFatGuy, not yet`
`01:40.56`	`JeffM2501`	`leaving now`
`01:41.07`	`JeffM2501`	`be there in like 20 min`
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`01:42.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`gotta go to a dinner appointment. back in a bit.`
`01:42.48`	`Nidhoggr`	`&`
`01:43.00`	`Aribeth`	`it may be a new bug, caus if i includec adns bzfs would crash on startup`
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`01:51.08`	`Jormungandr`	`Still having a problem, trying to figure it out: Trying to get my server up and going, seems not able to connect to the listserver, I posted the output at (http://jormungandr.homedns.org/bzfsoutput) -- help would be great`
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`02:21.46`	`JeffM2501`	`MeBigFatGuy, now I'm home`
`02:22.18`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`possible to get sporty a latest build?`
`02:22.49`	`JeffM2501`	`let me make one`
`02:28.49`	`JeffM2501`	`it's building`
`02:30.39`	`Thumper_`	`Will I get in trouble if I repeat a question that hasn't been answered in 10 hours ? ;)`
`02:32.29`	`JeffM2501`	`how much "trouble" can text get you?`
`02:32.33`	`Thumper_`	`:)`
`02:32.56`	`Thumper_`	`don't want to be silenced by the channel gods :)`
`02:33.13`	`JeffM2501`	`don't think that has ever been done for a single question`
`02:33.28`	`JeffM2501`	`that wasn't repeated in a 4 min span, and didn't have "bad" words in it`
`02:33.29`	`Thumper_`	`11:14 < Thumper_> I recently enabled spam checking (and kicking) on my servers - should repeated commands really be treated`
`02:33.32`	`Thumper_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:33.35`	`Thumper_`	`11:15 < Thumper_> versus stuff that actually gets sent to players`
`02:33.43`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd think not`
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`02:34.06`	`Thumper_`	`If you repeat /lagstats on my server you get kicked :)`
`02:34.09`	`JeffM2501`	`the author of that 'feature' didn't realy think it tru in my opinion`
`02:34.16`	`Thumper_`	`which isn't great`
`02:34.25`	`Thumper_`	`I think I'll turn it off again`
`02:34.29`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd exempt any /command`
`02:34.36`	`Thumper_`	`sounds reasonable...`
`02:35.11`	`JeffM2501`	`bloddy heck, I built debug`
`02:35.12`	`JeffM2501`	`bahh`
`02:35.24`	`Thumper_`	`only messages to players should be considered as possible spam`
`02:35.33`	`JeffM2501`	`ja`
`02:35.37`	`Jormungandr`	`Are .map files no longer usuable, for example "-world test.map" in my config file it freaks?`
`02:36.04`	`JeffM2501`	`the extension don't mater`
`02:36.04`	`Thumper_`	`doesn't it just complain that it doesn't end in the .bzw extension`
`02:36.05`	`Thumper_`	`?`
`02:36.08`	`JeffM2501`	`.map shoudl work fine`
`02:36.11`	`Thumper_`	`butn tries to use it anyway`
`02:36.14`	`JeffM2501`	`sure but it'll work`
`02:36.15`	`Thumper_`	`-n`
`02:36.19`	`JeffM2501`	`maps are just text`
`02:36.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it could end in .yourmamma`
`02:36.44`	`Jormungandr`	`Thats what i thought, i could be over looking something, ill take another look`
`02:37.19`	`JeffM2501`	`comment stuff out till it works`
`02:37.24`	`JeffM2501`	`then turn stuff back on`
`02:37.32`	`JeffM2501`	`the last thing you turn on before it stops working`
`02:37.34`	`JeffM2501`	`that's the thing`
`02:39.02`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`just a 'arning'`
`02:39.04`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`warning`
`02:39.10`	`Jormungandr`	`I must be getting old:P`
`02:39.16`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`brlcad wants you to name them bzw`
`02:40.14`	`JeffM2501`	`well brlcad should have updated bzedit too then :)`
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`02:41.16`	`Jormungandr`	`Heh, works now, imagine that:P`
`02:45.12`	`orange`	`Thumper_: (and JeffM2501), /me should not be exempt`
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`02:49.09`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`i believe it was you who added the warning, no?`
`02:49.53`	`brlcad`	`beats me :)`
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`02:51.16`	`trepan`	`twas DTR with the bzw warning, iirc`
`02:52.27`	`Aribeth`	`hi trepan`
`02:53.00`	`trepan`	`hello Ari`
`02:53.33`	`brlcad`	`i added support to read them as .bzw or .map but "someone" didn't like that`
`02:53.59`	`brlcad`	`so it was changed to bzw only`
`02:54.27`	`trepan`	`~someone++`
`02:56.26`	`Grumbler`	`boooooooooo`
`02:57.02`	`JeffM2501`	`MeBigFatGuy, http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/bzflag-2.0.1b3.zip`
`02:57.15`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`sportchick? ping!`
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`03:00.31`	`JeffM2501`	`I sent her phone a meesage`
`03:00.37`	`SportChick`	`MeBigFatGuy: ping`
`03:00.45`	`SportChick`	`pong ping pong`
`03:00.46`	`JeffM2501`	`:)`
`03:00.53`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`jeff built you a new versions`
`03:00.59`	`JeffM2501`	`MeBigFatGuy, http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/bzflag-2.0.1b3.zip`
`03:01.00`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`could you try that on nids server?`
`03:01.10`	`SportChick`	`yep`
`03:01.21`	`JeffM2501`	`no facny installer, just the game and data dir`
`03:02.13`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: ok`
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`03:23.56`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: it looks MUCh better!!`
`03:24.01`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: what did you do?`
`03:25.13`	`SportChick`	`the jitter is way better, although the lag went up a fraction`
`03:25.18`	`SportChick`	`but that might just be net usage`
`03:25.28`	`Pizbit`	`Doh`
`03:25.43`	`Pizbit`	`SportChick: Now you're going to go on a rampage aren't you?:)`
`03:27.36`	`SportChick`	`Pizbit: look out!! I'm gonna KILL everyone now that I can actually see them sitting still long enough (or at least with pseudo-predictable location)`
`03:27.43`	`Pizbit`	`grin`
`03:28.02`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`the extra lag may be the server dumping statistics every time you update your position :)`
`03:29.09`	`Aribeth`	`look out, the glove3s are off sor sure!`
`03:29.25`	`Aribeth`	`for*`
`03:31.00`	`SportChick`	`I'm still getting a wee bit of HUD jitteriness, but it may be due to the increased lag`
`03:31.09`	`SportChick`	`MeBigFatGuy: what's the difference in this build?`
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`03:33.21`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`nothing particular in the client`
`03:33.23`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`just up to date`
`03:33.31`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`the server is dumping jitter info for you`
`03:33.51`	`SportChick`	`dumping? ignoring it?`
`03:34.09`	`retro`	`I assume you mean the server is writing out jitter stats for sc`
`03:34.43`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`printing out jitter timings`
`03:34.52`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`yup retro`
`03:35.06`	`SportChick`	`MeBigFatGuy: how does that make me not jitter?`
`03:35.19`	`retro`	`So, what changed that improved SportChick's client?`
`03:36.52`	`retro`	`If nothing else changed, then it may be that her previous 34 ms lag was too fast for some reason. But that wouldn't explain why local LANs didn't see the problem...`
`03:37.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I just built`
`03:37.44`	`JeffM2501`	`diferent libcurl too`
`03:38.05`	`retro`	`I don't think libcurl would affect jitter...`
`03:38.07`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: it is soooo much better! thanks`
`03:38.13`	`SportChick`	`~jeffm2501++`
`03:38.19`	`SportChick`	`~mebigfatguy++`
`03:38.49`	`retro`	`Well, did you just rebuild CVS, or 2.0.0, or ???`
`03:39.04`	`retro`	`If it wasn't 2.0.0, sportchick still has problems on secretplace.`
`03:39.23`	`retro`	`unless jeffm has a magic build system that fixes all problems.`
`03:40.24`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`that he does`
`03:41.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I didn't build 2.0`
`03:41.53`	`JeffM2501`	`this is the system I built most of the 1.11.x's on before the fall`
`03:42.04`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe there is an issue with dtr's builds and his lib curl`
`03:42.17`	`JeffM2501`	`or somone fixed something in CVS head`
`03:42.33`	`retro`	`why would libcurl cause a difference in jitter?`
`03:42.53`	`SportChick`	`oh, it's DEFINITELY DTRemenak's fault! :)`
`03:42.56`	`DTRemenak`	`hmm, I ripped a forced gl reset out of font manager. didn't make any difference here though`
`03:43.00`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`03:43.24`	`DTRemenak`	`libcurl shouldn't affect anything at all once you're in the game`
`03:44.13`	`retro`	`JeffM, can you rebuild 2.0.0 on your system (bzfs and bzflag) for SC to test? That would tell us if the different build system is what fixed SC's problem or if someone fixed something in CVS.`
`03:44.18`	`retro`	`DTR, I agree.`
`03:45.16`	`SportChick`	`hrm`
`03:45.18`	`SportChick`	`I have a question`
`03:45.22`	`JeffM2501`	`yaah I guess`
`03:45.28`	`retro`	`thanks JeffM.`
`03:45.32`	`SportChick`	`if I used a sound file from 1.10 for 2.0 would that cause problems?`
`03:45.41`	`DTRemenak`	`sound file formats have not changed`
`03:45.46`	`SportChick`	`DTRemenak: thanks`
`03:46.00`	`JeffM2501`	`v2_0branch is the tag?`
`03:46.10`	`retro`	`I doubt changing sounds would be a problem. Many admins on SP are using the alternate sounds I posted for admin chat, and no one is complaining`
`03:46.28`	`SportChick`	`retro: I'm not using those - I'm using old ones I liked from 1.10`
`03:46.31`	`retro`	`JeffM, you could also pull the 2.0.0 source tarball from sourceforge.`
`03:46.42`	`JeffM2501`	`Noodleman, no I can't`
`03:46.48`	`JeffM2501`	`tarball bad on windows`
`03:46.53`	`SportChick`	`the jump sound (instead of the flames) and the admin channel sound (cuz I was used to it and the default is annoying)`
`03:46.57`	`Noodleman`	`JeffM2501: ?`
`03:47.03`	`DTRemenak`	`but there is a source zip, also`
`03:47.15`	`JeffM2501`	`or just gimme the tag :)`
`03:47.24`	`retro`	`any self-respecting windows user had gotten himself a tar command. :)`
`03:47.25`	`DTRemenak`	`v2_0_0 I think`
`03:47.41`	`retro`	`Noddleman, I think he meant to say retro.`
`03:47.49`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh winzip will do it`
`03:47.53`	`JeffM2501`	`line endings will be screwed`
`03:48.03`	`blast007`	`doesn't Winzip fix line endings?`
`03:48.07`	`JeffM2501`	`it can`
`03:48.12`	`JeffM2501`	`tag is just faster`
`03:48.19`	`JeffM2501`	`and gets all things`
`03:48.25`	`JeffM2501`	`tarball skips some stuff IRRC`
`03:48.39`	`DTRemenak`	`tarball should not skip anything. if it does it should be fixed.`
`03:48.58`	`retro`	`hehe`
`03:49.16`	`retro`	`well, I guess I should have qualified that to say Windows Software Developers. :)`
`03:49.44`	`JeffM2501`	`it's rebuilding`
`03:49.53`	`retro`	`Jeffm is the man!`
`03:50.34`	`Aribeth`	`life, the universe, and everything = 42`
`03:51.25`	`JeffM2501`	`the last one I posted was head`
`03:51.28`	`JeffM2501`	`they want a 2.0.0`
`03:51.49`	`DTRemenak`	`oh, I thought retro just wanted to see if it was the build system`
`03:51.54`	`JeffM2501`	`he does`
`03:52.01`	`JeffM2501`	`that's why I'm making him a stable in my build sustem`
`03:52.04`	`JeffM2501`	`to see if it works`
`03:52.15`	`JeffM2501`	`they have YOUR stable :)`
`03:52.26`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah...the other way would have been for me build HEAD, and compare it to yours, which you had already built`
`03:52.33`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`03:52.38`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm in the nodes now`
`03:52.40`	`retro`	`There are several ways to attack the problem.`
`03:52.42`	`JeffM2501`	`no big time change`
`03:52.48`	`SportChick`	`DTRemenak: but we like making jeffm work for his money`
`03:52.59`	`JeffM2501`	`takes 45 seconds to get source, so I'm not woried :)`
`03:53.05`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`03:53.10`	`retro`	`And JeffM has already demonstrated an ability to make good builds. :)`
`03:54.16`	`DTRemenak`	`our build systems are probably darn close to identical anyway...I doubt any difference will show up`
`03:54.38`	`DTRemenak`	`always worth eliminating a possibility though`
`03:54.48`	`JeffM2501`	`does yours have good fung sue?`
`03:54.53`	`Grumbler`	`http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r2/baltimore/WattsNew/WATTS_NEW_2005_03.htm#_Toc97346171 ......gah, ieee`
`03:55.04`	`DTRemenak`	`sue? who's sue? ;)`
`03:55.16`	`JeffM2501`	`she's totaly hot`
`03:55.19`	`wegstar`	`sue who?`
`03:55.26`	`retro`	`Yeah, but can DTR's server handle the codes Wu Tang style?`
`03:55.34`	`Grumbler`	`JeffM2501 sacrifices a beer to the build god every night, what do you do`
`03:56.42`	`*** part/#bzflag LouMan (~42e39a3f@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`03:56.47`	`Grumbler`	`thats a good way to generate a seg fault`
`03:57.05`	`DTRemenak`	`mmm, segfaults...`
`03:57.38`	`JeffM2501`	`my build machine is pure, DTR's is tainted`
`03:57.55`	`DTRemenak`	`I sense the Dark Side in JeffM2501's computer`
`03:58.20`	`JeffM2501`	`you can not waffle on the fence`
`03:58.25`	`JeffM2501`	`it's all or none`
`03:58.27`	`Grumbler`	`hold on, SportChick threw off the entire test case....back to square one, whats the problem again`
`03:58.35`	`JeffM2501`	`your builds sense your indecision ( and VC5 ) and fail you`
`03:58.44`	`DTRemenak`	`~smack Grumbler`
`03:58.46`	`ibot`	`ACTION smacks Grumbler upside the head.`
`03:58.56`	`DTRemenak`	`~SportChick++`
`03:59.08`	`DTRemenak`	`I have no indecision`
`03:59.11`	`retro`	`gah`
`03:59.14`	`JeffM2501`	`how does it work on the main?`
`03:59.20`	`JeffM2501`	`same?`
`03:59.25`	`DTRemenak`	`now, the VC5 is another issue completely...`
`03:59.30`	`SportChick`	`that's what I reported to you earlier. Couldn't get on the test server just now`
`03:59.55`	`retro`	`Yeah, SC saw the improvement with JeffM's 2.0.1b3 client running on the main server on secretplace.`
`04:00.09`	`DTRemenak`	`SportChick: that's probably a good sign...if you can play on the Real Server without problems`
`04:00.36`	`retro`	`Still, testing with JeffM's 2.0.0 client will be interesting.`
`04:00.56`	`retro`	`I should be at pizza night with my friends, but the suspense is killing me. I can't leave yet!`
`04:01.08`	`DTRemenak`	`IIRC she had problems with JeffM2501's 2.0.1b1/2 builds too`
`04:01.34`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, those were at work, and with a home grown lib curl`
`04:01.39`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: ahh`
`04:01.41`	`JeffM2501`	`most of the 1.11.x's where done here`
`04:01.47`	`DTRemenak`	`interesting`
`04:01.56`	`JeffM2501`	`MeBigFatGuy, http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/bzflag-2.0.0b1.zip`
`04:02.03`	`retro`	`I still think libcurl has nothing to do with the problem...`
`04:02.07`	`JeffM2501`	`well with out the me big part`
`04:02.32`	`JeffM2501`	`retro unless libcurl is leaving something open and screwing up her net conenct`
`04:02.33`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: is that the on you just built of the stable build?`
`04:02.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`04:02.46`	`JeffM2501`	`that's 2.0.0 pure`
`04:03.09`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: what libcurl did you use this time?`
`04:03.12`	`JeffM2501`	`tell me when it's done so I can play eq :)`
`04:03.22`	`retro`	`woah.`
`04:03.25`	`JeffM2501`	`7.11.1.0 no sssl`
`04:03.32`	`Grumbler`	`11:03, a good time`
`04:03.50`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, ok. kinda old tho`
`04:03.58`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`04:04.00`	`JeffM2501`	`but functional`
`04:04.06`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`04:04.07`	`JeffM2501`	`for the simple API at least`
`04:04.27`	`Grumbler`	`functional is always better than new young grasshopper`
`04:05.03`	`Aribeth`	`nope`
`04:05.17`	`Aribeth`	`arrr`
`04:05.31`	`Grumbler`	`nein, ich bin ein frankfurter`
`04:05.52`	`SportChick`	`Grumbler: ich bin ein Mannheimer`
`04:06.00`	`JeffM2501`	`I only speak 2 languages, english, and bad english`
`04:06.09`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`04:06.15`	`Noodleman`	`U R SO L33T!!!!!11111`
`04:06.47`	`Grumbler`	`...them look like tax men`
`04:06.52`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`in that order, JeffM2501 ?`
`04:07.12`	`retro`	`SportChick? well???`
`04:07.31`	`Grumbler`	`whered ya put that still Noodleman......we got them there atf approaching`
`04:08.17`	`SportChick`	`patience grasshopper`
`04:10.13`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`04:10.22`	`JeffM2501`	`is it done yet?`
`04:10.35`	`SportChick`	`extracting`
`04:10.41`	`JeffM2501`	`well your done DL right?`
`04:10.47`	`SportChick`	`yes`
`04:10.57`	`JeffM2501`	`death to the gnolls!!!!!!`
`04:11.08`	`retro`	`there she is`
`04:13.37`	`retro`	`SC says on screen jitter is much worse on this build.`
`04:14.34`	`DTRemenak`	`"this build" = 2.0.0?`
`04:15.11`	`retro`	`yeah.`
`04:15.34`	`DTRemenak`	`hm. I guess killing that forced state reset did more than I thought.`
`04:15.40`	`DTRemenak`	`or else something else changed`
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`04:19.17`	`SportChick`	`JeffM2501: on 2.0.0, my HUD jitter appears higher than with 2.0.1b3. The stats are stable, and others think my jitter is fine, but HUD is a bit worse with stable build`
`04:20.01`	`retro`	`Very interesting result. Not entirely clear one way or the other.`
`04:20.16`	`retro`	`what do you mean by HUD jitter? Other tanks out the window are jittery?`
`04:20.59`	`DTRemenak`	`that would be consistent with a gl state thing`
`04:21.36`	`SportChick`	`HUD jitter = I am jittery out the HUD`
`04:21.37`	`Nidhoggr`	`has anyone tried building without sdl for her?`
`04:21.48`	`DTRemenak`	`Nidhoggr: SDL is not enabled on windows`
`04:21.53`	`Nidhoggr`	`aaah`
`04:22.04`	`Grumbler`	`SDL is the devil`
`04:22.09`	`retro`	`Nid, you may have missed it. SC says a 2.0.1b3 build by JeffM worked rather well.`
`04:22.13`	`SportChick`	`Nidhoggr: I htink it worked for me - 2.0.1b3`
`04:22.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`oh, cool.`
`04:22.24`	`SportChick`	`but now I'm testing a rebuild of stable to see what happens`
`04:22.27`	`Nidhoggr`	`excellent.`
`04:22.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`ok.`
`04:23.14`	`retro`	`so, 2.0.0 built by JeffM works better than the 2.0.0 binary on sf.net. That's not a good thing.`
`04:23.24`	`retro`	`JeffM says he used a different libcurl.`
`04:23.38`	`retro`	`How about compilers JeffM? Same version used to build the sf.net binaries?`
`04:23.44`	`Nidhoggr`	`which wouldn't explain graphics jitter.`
`04:23.52`	`DTRemenak`	`the libcurls can be switched to find out whether that's a difference`
`04:24.01`	`DTRemenak`	`same compiler`
`04:24.25`	`retro`	`Also, DTR says he did something with opengl reset in 2.0.1b3, assuming I grok'ed all I read correctly...`
`04:24.36`	`retro`	`that mighta fixed the onscreen jitter for SC.`
`04:24.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`hm.`
`04:25.15`	`retro`	`OK, I really gotta go meet my friends for dinner. I'm 1 hour late. :)`
`04:25.17`	`DTRemenak`	`fontmanager was doing a full reset every draw (would be between 10 and 300x per frame)`
`04:25.25`	`Nidhoggr`	`oof`
`04:25.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`that might have done it.`
`04:25.41`	`retro`	`Good job everyone helping SC. We made some good progress tonight.`
`04:25.53`	`retro`	`~JeffM2501++`
`04:25.57`	`retro`	`~DTRemenak++`
`04:26.04`	`retro`	`~Nidhoggr++`
`04:26.12`	`Nidhoggr`	`I had to go to my dinner appointment, or I'da been more help.`
`04:26.28`	`retro`	`~Grumbler++`
`04:26.30`	`retro`	`~SportChick++`
`04:26.31`	`DTRemenak`	`it's done about that many times per frame anyway, and more if underlining is on.`
`04:26.38`	`retro`	`Because she's been soooo patient. :)`
`04:27.14`	`retro`	`DTR, I agree. (While not really understaning a things about OpenGL. :)`
`04:27.28`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
`04:27.40`	`retro`	`OK, I'm off to dinner. Cya all later!`
`04:27.48`	`SportChick`	`okay, in 2.0.0 (jeff's build) although stats don't show it, some players say I'm a wee bit jittery`
`04:30.11`	`SportChick`	`~retro++`
`04:30.14`	`SportChick`	`~Nidhoggr++`
`04:30.19`	`SportChick`	`~Dtremenak++`
`04:30.23`	`SportChick`	`~jeffm2501++`
`04:30.28`	`SportChick`	`~mebigfatguy++`
`04:30.45`	`DTRemenak`	`~SportChick++`
`04:30.53`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`can ya feel the love`
`04:31.02`	`DTRemenak`	`~SportChick++`
`04:31.16`	`wegstar`	`~karma TimRiker`
`04:31.16`	`ibot`	`timriker has karma of -657`
`04:32.52`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`heh`
`04:34.46`	`SportChick`	`~karma SportChick`
`04:34.46`	`ibot`	`sportchick has karma of 71`
`04:34.50`	`SportChick`	`wow`
`04:34.54`	`SportChick`	`that's hilarious`
`04:35.11`	`Aribeth`	`~SportChick++`
`04:35.24`	`DTRemenak`	`~SportChick++`
`04:35.31`	`TimRiker`	`SportChick: did it myself. set it to 666 a while back.`
`04:36.25`	`SportChick`	`TimRiker: you shoulda used 777`
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`11:44.54`	`jpa_`	`afternoon :)`
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`11:45.02`	`bomber`	`moin`
`11:45.09`	`jpa_`	`no.`
`11:45.11`	`jpa_`	`afternoon.`
`11:45.16`	`bomber`	`:o)`
`11:45.21`	`bomber`	`ibot moin`
`11:45.22`	`ibot`	`i guess moin is North German for everything you would say for salutatory`
`11:45.53`	`jpa_`	`why not just say '*' then`
`11:46.00`	`jpa_`	`it is a wildcard anyway`
`11:46.12`	`Pizbit_`	`Just say Morning.`
`11:48.36`	`bomber`	`or ahoj :o)`
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`13:52.06`	`Grumbler`	`~ugt`
`13:52.13`	`ibot`	`it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. It states that it is always morning when person comes in, and it is always late when person leaves. Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant.`
`13:52.47`	`Pizbit_`	`Hrm...`
`13:52.50`	`Pizbit_`	`That works :D`
`14:05.43`	`Grumbler`	`morning all`
`14:05.56`	`Pizbit`	`Mornin:)`
`14:10.18`	`jpa_`	`morning Grumbler`
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`14:29.50`	`SportChick`	`~sportchick`
`14:29.51`	`ibot`	`a fast-typing, mistake making, fun-loving, koolaid-drinking chick`
`14:29.57`	`SportChick`	`~karma sportchick`
`14:29.57`	`ibot`	`sportchick has karma of 73`
`14:32.54`	`jpa_`	`~karma jpa`
`14:32.54`	`ibot`	`jpa has neutral karma`
`14:32.58`	`jpa_`	`~karma jpa_`
`14:32.58`	`ibot`	`jpa_ has karma of 12`
`14:33.06`	`jpa_`	`i'm gaining on you`
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`14:53.10`	`ToughShooter`	`Too bad shooting others won't help me increasing my karma :(`
`14:54.26`	`Grumbler`	`~ToughShooter--`
`14:54.36`	`Grumbler`	`begging for karma only lowers your karma`
`14:55.10`	`Grumbler`	`but, you have been a little helpful lately`
`14:55.14`	`Grumbler`	`~ToughShooter++`
`14:55.38`	`jpa_`	`Grumbler: you shouldn't have known that..`
`14:56.40`	`jpa_`	`ibot, hang grumbler over a crocodile pool and ask him to tell some way to make sportchick evil and promise that you will release him if he does. And feed the crocodiles.`
`14:57.58`	`ToughShooter`	`Grumbler: I was only kidding`
`15:00.37`	`Grumbler`	`~jpa_`
`15:00.38`	`ibot`	`hmm... jpa_ is an evil master whose primary goal is to take a karma lead over SportChick or to get free jars of Nutella......only time will tell...huaaahhhha`
`15:01.40`	`Grumbler`	`~ToughShooter++`
`15:02.00`	`jpa_`	`~grumbler++`
`15:02.08`	`jpa_`	`what is nutella?`
`15:02.53`	`Grumbler`	`http://www.nutellausa.com/`
`15:04.30`	`jpa_`	`i see a cute pink background`
`15:05.19`	`Grumbler`	`http://www.nutella.it/ it might be closer`
`15:05.40`	`Grumbler`	`http://www.nutella.de/master.html`
`15:06.51`	`jpa_`	`i don't need nutella`
`15:07.26`	`Nidhoggr`	`mmmmm nutella.`
`15:14.52`	`JBdiGriz`	`~jpa_--`
`15:16.16`	`jpa_`	`what was that for?`
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`15:17.02`	`jpa_`	`hi tim`
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`16:27.13`	`Dumbledore`	`Hello, all.`
`16:27.33`	`blast007`	`hello`
`16:27.37`	`Dumbledore`	`Hello?`
`16:28.10`	`Dumbledore`	`Who is addicted to BZFlag?`
`16:28.13`	`Dumbledore`	`I am.`
`16:29.17`	`blast007`	`hehe :)`
`16:29.25`	`Dumbledore`	`lol`
`16:29.39`	`Dumbledore`	`It's true, I am crazy about it. Love your work.`
`16:30.53`	`Dumbledore`	`Anyways, got to go.`
`16:30.56`	`Dumbledore`	`See you all.`
`16:31.04`	`blast007`	`cya`
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`16:55.05`	`JeffM2501`	`where is the config on the 'tosh?`
`17:04.15`	`trepan`	`http://bzflag.org/wiki/ConfigFile`
`17:04.29`	`trepan`	`or ~/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/2.0/config.cfg`
`17:09.19`	`ruskie`	`well I guess it's camp'a'lot day at viper.pimpi.org...`
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`17:12.26`	`JeffM2501`	`danke`
`17:12.34`	`tupone`	`ciao gina`
`17:12.36`	`JeffM2501`	`it's off your root usualy`
`17:12.37`	`ToughShooter`	`You missed trepans statement. It' in ~/Library/`
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`17:24.42`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: it is wrong, but bz doesn't distinguish between the config file and the application support files right now`
`17:25.03`	`brlcad`	`and there are more app support files than there are config files :)`
`17:28.19`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, can you make the mac version detect rag1 128's and/or old iMacs and just play a laugh wave?`
`17:28.55`	`Nidhoggr`	`heh`
`17:29.21`	`JeffM2501`	`same for eMachines with i810 "video" chipsets ?`
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`17:33.27`	`jpa_`	`hi bradiscuteandstuffbutdoesnotlikepeopletoknowitsohewillsayargh2901`
`17:34.32`	`brad2901`	`huh?`
`17:34.36`	`brad2901`	`hi jpa_`
`17:34.41`	`jpa_`	`:)`
`17:34.55`	`JeffM2501`	`Nidhoggr, what ended up happening with the SC deal? is it resolved? are we done?`
`17:34.58`	`brad2901`	`was that something about biscuits?`
`17:35.28`	`JeffM2501`	`ow`
`17:35.47`	`brad2901`	`?`
`17:36.10`	`jpa_`	`brad2901 does not understand anything very well`
`17:36.18`	`brad2901`	`nope :(`
`17:36.21`	`JeffM2501`	`no imagination in the youth of doday`
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`17:38.25`	`Nidhoggr`	`JeffM2501: the binary you compiled for her seems to have fixed her problem.`
`17:38.50`	`Thumper_`	`Where exactly is 'doday' ?`
`17:38.53`	`Thumper_`	`;)`
`17:39.14`	`jpa_`	`hi Thump:E`
`17:39.17`	`JeffM2501`	`huzah`
`17:39.34`	`JeffM2501`	`a good test would be to have DTR build one for her to try too`
`17:39.44`	`JeffM2501`	`to verify that it was code, not build systems`
`17:40.13`	`JeffM2501`	`then if it is build systems, I can get all mad and leave again so it can screw up the windows users.`
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`17:45.06`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`17:45.09`	`jpa_`	`~jeffm2501++`
`17:45.31`	`brad2901`	`~me++`
`17:45.34`	`brad2901`	`:/`
`17:46.37`	`Nidhoggr`	`JeffM2501: I was having fun with FF XI this weekend.`
`17:51.27`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: heh`
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`18:03.52`	`jpa_`	`brad2901`
`18:03.58`	`jpa_`	`~brad2901`
`18:03.59`	`ibot`	`well, brad2901 is an idiot, or cute, or <3<3`
`18:04.16`	`brad2901`	`?!`
`18:04.28`	`brad2901`	`~jpa_--`
`18:04.36`	`jpa_`	`:(`
`18:04.41`	`blast007`	`lol`
`18:04.48`	`brad2901`	`~jpa_++`
`18:04.50`	`brad2901`	`:)`
`18:04.57`	`jpa_`	`i tell ibot nice things about you and you steal my karma? :(`
`18:05.09`	`brad2901`	`you got it back..`
`18:05.16`	`jpa_`	`yes`
`18:05.24`	`brad2901`	`~karma jpa_`
`18:05.24`	`ibot`	`jpa_ has karma of 11`
`18:05.31`	`brad2901`	`~karma brad2901`
`18:05.31`	`ibot`	`brad2901 has neutral karma`
`18:05.33`	`brad2901`	`hm`
`18:05.35`	`jpa_`	`~brad2901++`
`18:05.49`	`jpa_`	`be happy :)`
`18:05.49`	`brad2901`	`yay`
`18:05.53`	`brad2901`	`:)`
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`18:40.24`	`kierra`	`learner?`
`18:40.43`	`*** join/#bzflag newbie_dont (~janko@dll109.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)`
`18:40.50`	`jpa_`	`brlcad?`
`18:41.18`	`kierra`	`a rose by any other name`
`18:41.29`	`jpa_`	`yup`
`18:41.32`	`kierra`	`brlcad`
`18:41.37`	`jpa_`	`but might get highlighted better`
`18:41.43`	`kierra`	`doesnt he know both his names`
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`18:47.18`	`*** join/#bzflag mmu_man (revol@ALyon-112-1-18-246.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`18:51.35`	`gina`	`kierra: rose?`
`18:51.44`	`kierra`	`yes`
`18:51.56`	`kierra`	`learner = brlcad`
`18:52.07`	`jpa_`	`hi gitankittysoundedbetterna`
`18:52.40`	`gina`	`~rose`
`18:52.55`	`kierra`	`its an english saying`
`18:53.09`	`gina`	`~bzfquery rose`
`18:53.40`	`jpa_`	`~dict rose`
`18:54.06`	`jpa_`	`hmph`
`18:54.15`	`gina`	`OSI`
`18:54.17`	`gina`	`that's me`
`18:54.26`	`kierra`	`that is a bizarre def`
`18:54.44`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@198.150.76.4)`
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`19:06.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`a rose by any other name is the first part of a saying that ends with "is still a rose"`
`19:08.04`	`jpa_`	`but seriously.. i do not know, but can brlcad be compared to a rose?`
`19:08.36`	`Chestal`	`or to a summer day?`
`19:09.49`	`kierra`	`well, not to a rose, he isnt as sweet`
`19:10.07`	`kierra`	`may not be as pretty, but i wouldnt know - have never seen him`
`19:11.25`	`Nidhoggr`	`if every man is a star, then why not a rose?`
`19:11.47`	`kierra`	`who said every man is a star....a man no doubt`
`19:12.14`	`Nidhoggr`	`actually the quote is "every woman and every man is a star"`
`19:12.32`	`Nidhoggr`	`it was a very strange man who had a few good ideas and a lot of insanity who said it though.`
`19:12.33`	`kierra`	`not that is more like it`
`19:13.36`	`kierra`	`*now`
`19:13.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`19:14.02`	`*** join/#bzflag newbie_dont (~janko@dll109.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)`
`19:15.21`	`jpa_`	`except for one minor fact.. men are stars because they are so great. women are stars because they are so heavy`
`19:15.31`	`kierra`	`pfft`
`19:15.33`	`Nidhoggr`	`~jpa_--`
`19:15.44`	`kierra`	`is jpa a real person`
`19:15.45`	`Tupone`	`jpa_: you are heavy`
`19:16.09`	`Nidhoggr`	`it's a very dishonorable thing to raise yourself up simply as an attempt to lower another.`
`19:16.32`	`jpa_`	`~nidhoggr++`
`19:16.46`	`kierra`	`Nidhoggr, you're ok`
`19:16.55`	`jpa_`	`kierra: i was last that i checked`
`19:19.20`	`kierra`	`amazing`
`19:19.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi brlcad!!`
`19:19.38`	`Nidhoggr`	`it's nice to see a perky brlcad now and again.`
`19:19.49`	`brlcad`	`howdy :)`
`19:20.29`	`Tupone`	`hi brlcad`
`19:20.30`	`brlcad`	`kierra: you wrunged me?`
`19:20.41`	`kierra`	`yes`
`19:20.48`	`brlcad`	`hi Tupone`
`19:22.15`	`*** join/#bzflag mother (~45f06abf@rw08.de)`
`19:22.19`	`_Manu_`	`Hola!`
`19:22.35`	`mother`	`argh that backspace takes you out of irc`
`19:23.04`	`mother`	`learner, i would like to have a word with you`
`19:23.21`	`brlcad`	`hola hola :)`
`19:23.31`	`mother`	`hola,`
`19:23.39`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad: what about the endShot? :)`
`19:24.00`	`brlcad`	`_Manu_: i know .. i know.. just been _really_ busy :/`
`19:24.20`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad: don't worry.. :)`
`19:26.21`	`Grumbler`	`uh oh, brlcad is in trouble with mother again.......run, before she gets the wooden spoon`
`19:27.19`	`mother`	`too late`
`19:36.54`	`*** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc)`
`19:36.55`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`19:38.33`	`mother`	`grumbler, what do you mean 'again'`
`19:43.07`	`orange`	`any devs who are also hepcat admins here?`
`19:43.13`	`orange`	`trepan?`
`19:44.17`	`orange`	`I've added three bans in the last 5 minutes... only the last one is "sticking"`
`19:44.21`	`orange`	`the others seem to disappear`
`19:44.57`	`brlcad`	`not to mention I dislike the removal of local admins too... ahem`
`19:45.13`	`*** join/#bzflag bz3076 (~d5908c72@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`19:45.27`	`bz3076`	`hi`
`19:45.40`	`brlcad`	`orange: what kind of bans?`
`19:45.51`	`orange`	`brlcad: I was wondering about that... why do you not like the group admin setup?`
`19:46.04`	`orange`	`brlcad: I dunno... "/ban 1.2.3.4 24h test"`
`19:46.22`	`orange`	`oh, this may be server setup problem`
`19:46.37`	`orange`	`it seems no new bans last more than a couple minutes`
`19:46.39`	`_Manu_`	`orange: fixed in cvs..`
`19:46.49`	`brlcad`	`orange: while in principal, the global groups are a good idea/direction -- I don't think they are ready for production servers without a local admin backup`
`19:46.59`	`brlcad`	`there's no reason to remove local admins either`
`19:46.59`	`_Manu_`	`with old ban.. tempory bans are overwrited by the last ban`
`19:47.08`	`*** join/#bzflag bz3076 (~d5908c72@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`19:47.14`	`orange`	`_Manu_: ok, thanks`
`19:47.24`	`_Manu_`	`orange: update from cvs.. ;)`
`19:47.28`	`bz3076`	`hi`
`19:47.55`	`orange`	`brlcad: ok, understood... I think it was done on hepcat just because trying to keep the various servers in sync was a lot of work, but I understand your point`
`19:47.59`	`orange`	`_Manu_: thanks`
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`19:49.27`	`bz3076`	`anybody knows what kind of host this is which regular queries my server: port151.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk (217.157.132.92) ?`
`19:49.46`	`menotume`	`wow - 2.0 just brought my entire linux box down (during a match) :P`
`19:49.50`	`bz3076`	`is this in any way related to the listserver?`
`19:49.56`	`mother`	`aw`
`19:50.08`	`brlcad`	`it's not the list server, but one of the stat gatherers, iirc`
`19:50.10`	`menotume`	`hmmm, dk`
`19:50.14`	`JeffM2501`	`bz3076, no, it's probalby a web page that tracks stats`
`19:50.17`	`*** join/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c120-p075.vtx.ch)`
`19:50.17`	`JeffM2501`	`there are many`
`19:50.25`	`menotume`	`[dmp] ?`
`19:50.28`	`bz3076`	`menotume: yes, 2.0 often crashes and killes the entire I/O system on linux`
`19:50.42`	`menotume`	`first time for me`
`19:50.47`	`menotume`	`killed X once`
`19:51.04`	`menotume`	`but, I couldn't even ssh in`
`19:51.13`	`bz3076`	`oh`
`19:51.34`	`bz3076`	`network layer does work for me after all crashes`
`19:51.44`	`JeffM2501`	`it's part of our secret plan to destroy linux, and make everyone move to BeOS`
`19:51.49`	`orange`	`hehe`
`19:51.53`	`bz3076`	`lol`
`19:52.02`	`menotume`	`heh`
`19:52.05`	`[dmp]`	`menotume: yes?`
`19:52.10`	`brlcad`	`orange: like I said.. in principal it's a good thing .. distributed groups is one of the things it's supposed to address -- but that didn't necessitate a complete hard/custom disabling of local auth altogether ;)`
`19:52.16`	`menotume`	`is your stats thread polling servers ?`
`19:52.23`	`_Manu_`	`bz3076: strange..`
`19:53.07`	`bz3076`	`manu: this may not be an bzflag issue, could also be a flaw of the sdl layer`
`19:53.14`	`bz3076`	`but 1.10 never had problems`
`19:53.25`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't have to use SDL`
`19:53.35`	`_Manu_`	`i'm using linux and never got that kind of problems`
`19:53.39`	`menotume`	`I do for some odd reason`
`19:53.43`	`_Manu_`	`and i'm using SDL`
`19:53.46`	`menotume`	`I should keep looking into that`
`19:53.53`	`Grumbler`	`SDL is the devil`
`19:54.17`	`bz3076`	`manu: i've not compiled it by myself, just used the debian package`
`19:54.25`	`JeffM2501`	`the devil ROCKS`
`19:54.29`	`bz3076`	`and this is imho compiled with sdl`
`19:54.31`	`[dmp]`	`menotume: my stats? you mean fortix? otherwise no`
`19:54.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it's one of the best image libs I've seen`
`19:54.39`	`_Manu_`	`ah... i'm using debian based.. but i build my own packages.. heh`
`19:54.58`	`JeffM2501`	`bz3076, build it with out`
`19:54.59`	`menotume`	`[dmp]: nvm - it was you. someone asked who was polling their server`
`19:55.15`	`menotume`	`(adsl.cybercity.dk)`
`19:55.25`	`bz3076`	`i asked`
`19:55.51`	`brlcad`	`mmm.. DevIL`
`19:55.51`	`_Manu_`	`[dmp]: bzflag vampires.. heh`
`19:55.59`	`menotume`	`Devilopers`
`19:56.30`	`bz3076`	`there's also a regular poll by webchat.bzflag.bz`
`19:56.42`	`menotume`	`yes, there are several`
`19:56.43`	`JeffM2501`	`thats the same machine as the list server`
`19:56.43`	`brlcad`	`that's the list server`
`19:56.51`	`JeffM2501`	`it has many domain names :)`
`19:56.53`	`_Manu_`	`bz3076: remember.. you allways can ban that vampires..`
`19:57.00`	`menotume`	`once a minute or so`
`19:57.07`	`bz3076`	`i assumed this is related to the listserver`
`19:57.32`	`bz3076`	`but the other one (cybercity.dk) seems not`
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`19:57.43`	`menotume`	`bz3076: http://stats.bzflag.org`
`19:57.46`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: fortix.bzflag.org gathers data from all servers in the serverlist`
`19:58.10`	`menotume`	`there too :)`
`19:58.27`	`bz3076`	`yes, if it is not related to the listderver i will ban or firewall the cybercity folks`
`19:59.12`	`menotume`	`it doesn't really tax your server, bz3076`
`19:59.26`	`_Manu_`	`bz3076: really don't take much bandwidth..`
`19:59.28`	`Nidhoggr`	`webchat.bzflag.bz is the listserver.`
`19:59.30`	`menotume`	`minimal compared to player msgupdates, i would think`
`19:59.36`	`Nidhoggr`	`just a second IP on that same machine.`
`20:00.16`	`Nidhoggr`	`it'd be nice to force it to use the .167 ip for outgoing connections, or assign another IP with listserver proper reverse dns.`
`20:00.49`	`bz3076`	`thats not the problem, but there's only an empty website behind this address and no statement what the do with the information ;)`
`20:01.11`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: empty?`
`20:01.20`	`bz3076`	`black`
`20:01.40`	`bz3076`	`with a little camel in the lower right corner`
`20:01.41`	`menotume`	`huh ?`
`20:01.46`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: what browser are you using?`
`20:01.52`	`menotume`	`it's not polling you webserver`
`20:01.53`	`Nidhoggr`	`he's talking about his own machine.`
`20:01.57`	`bz3076`	`mozilla`
`20:02.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`not talking about listserver.`
`20:02.05`	`bz3076`	`no :)`
`20:02.14`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: what do you write (url), exactly?`
`20:02.19`	`bz3076`	`i'm talking about the cybercity foilks :))`
`20:02.33`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: you see my default-homepage, when nothing is configured`
`20:02.35`	`JeffM2501`	`the main site of that machine may not be the same subsite/URL that is polling you.`
`20:02.40`	`JeffM2501`	`bingo`
`20:02.43`	`bz3076`	`port151.dsl-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk`
`20:02.46`	`menotume`	`bz3076: that was only a test today - it doesn't usually run`
`20:03.10`	`[dmp]`	`menotume: wrong meno :) fortix keeps pooling data`
`20:03.23`	`[dmp]`	`menotume: unless something goes wrong`
`20:03.25`	`menotume`	`ohhhh - right - same one :P`
`20:03.28`	`[dmp]`	`yep`
`20:03.39`	`bz3076`	`also the "main" site baat.dk brings this black page`
`20:03.53`	`bz3076`	`fortix and the bzstats stuff works fine`
`20:03.56`	`menotume`	`bz3076: http://fortix.bzflag.org/list.php`
`20:04.02`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: i know, i can kick the server if i like to :)`
`20:04.06`	`menotume`	`that is who is polling you !`
`20:04.14`	`*** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c120-p075.vtx.ch)`
`20:04.23`	`Nidhoggr`	`communication gap in progress.`
`20:04.24`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@198.150.76.4)`
`20:04.26`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: but if you dont want it gathering data from your server, ill tell david`
`20:04.27`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`20:05.10`	`bz3076`	`lol`
`20:05.44`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: but if you want me to do anything, i need to know :). Im about to leave for a few hours`
`20:05.54`	`bz3076`	`there are TWO polls, one from webchat.bzflag.bz (with the stats) and i like it g`
`20:06.25`	`menotume`	`a lot of people use the fortix stats site`
`20:06.32`	`bz3076`	`and the other from cybecity.dk which i don't know from where it comes and what for it is`
`20:06.43`	`menotume`	`bz3076: listen carefully ....`
`20:06.50`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: cybercity.dk == fortix.bzflag.org`
`20:07.04`	`bz3076`	`i only wanted to know if anybody knows what this poll from cybercity is for?`
`20:07.09`	`menotume`	`the cybercity gathers stats for http://fortix.bzflag.org/list.php`
`20:07.13`	`bz3076`	`ok, now i got it :)`
`20:07.17`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`20:07.40`	`[dmp]`	`i think adding a note on the default page would be a good idea anyway.`
`20:07.45`	`bz3076`	`so i also like this g`
`20:07.48`	`Nidhoggr`	`yes, it would.`
`20:07.54`	`[dmp]`	`just to avoid too much confusion :)`
`20:08.06`	`menotume`	`I would still be confused`
`20:08.21`	`Nidhoggr`	`too much confusion!! :)`
`20:08.26`	`[dmp]`	`bz3076: If you want me to do antyhign about it (i just host it, david_v is the owner) let me know (dennis@moellegaard.dk) - i need to go`
`20:08.45`	`menotume`	`cu dmpee - tell her 'menotume' says hi :)`
`20:08.57`	`bz3076`	`no no, now i know what is it for and it's ok, thanks`
`20:09.25`	`mother`	`brlcad, thanks for your time and the info`
`20:10.02`	`orange`	`was the nr observer bug supposedly squashed?`
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`20:10.48`	`orange`	`where you're observing and everyone goes nr, but you can still see and send messages and such?`
`20:10.56`	`orange`	`because I'm still getting it on 2.0.0 windows`
`20:12.16`	`bz3076`	`is the 2.0 client slower than 1.10 because of the new graphics features or is this also an issue of the precompiled debian packages?`
`20:12.37`	`menotume`	`hmmm, Glad just had that as a teammember zaat the start of our match`
`20:12.49`	`menotume`	`bz3076: it's a new feature`
`20:13.09`	`bz3076`	`thats bad ;)`
`20:13.25`	`ruskie`	`:))`
`20:13.32`	`menotume`	`well, they may remove that feature - give 'em time :)`
`20:13.37`	`_Manu_`	`bz3076: try to compile your packages`
`20:13.54`	`orange`	`menotume: huh? Glad what?`
`20:14.02`	`bz3076`	`i've deactivated all the new graphic options and still loose 30% to 300% of frame rates`
`20:14.05`	`bz3076`	`lol`
`20:14.11`	`menotume`	`Gladiator had the nr, but could talk problem`
`20:14.20`	`menotume`	`right at the start of a match at DUB`
`20:14.28`	`orange`	`oh, I just couldn't make the sentence parse :-)`
`20:14.29`	`_Manu_`	`bz3076: what processor and what graphics card?`
`20:14.45`	`bz3076`	`old ones :)`
`20:15.18`	`bz3076`	`a drop of 30% on a radeon 9200 and 300% on a i830`
`20:15.18`	`_Manu_`	`then.. try bzadmin ;-P`
`20:15.51`	`jpa_`	`hm hm`
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`20:16.17`	`jpa_`	`i didn't see noticeable drop on gentoo, compiled by self, celeron 2ghz, radeon 9000`
`20:16.22`	`bz3076`	`cpu is P3 1GHz respective P4 2.4 GHz`
`20:16.57`	`_Manu_`	`bz3076: is your 3D acceleration active?`
`20:17.03`	`bz3076`	`yes`
`20:17.16`	`_Manu_`	`what reports glxgears?`
`20:17.16`	`blast007`	`was is the FPS you are getting?`
`20:17.50`	`bz3076`	`on the 1GHz P3 i have about 100fps with 1280x1024 with bzflag 1.10 and only about 65 with 2.0`
`20:18.02`	`jpa_`	`oh`
`20:18.07`	`jpa_`	`but who cares`
`20:18.14`	`jpa_`	`they are over 50 anyway`
`20:18.19`	`bz3076`	`glxgears 1800 afaik`
`20:18.52`	`bz3076`	`50 and 100 is a difference`
`20:19.01`	`_Manu_`	`bz3076: that's strange`
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`20:19.20`	`bz3076`	`and the times display i get with key Y increases a lot more`
`20:19.22`	`_Manu_`	`well.. try to compila yourself bzflag`
`20:19.28`	`blast007`	`2.0.0 has lots of new graphical features, and things like transparent objects can drop the FPS a bit...but I wouldn't think it should be that drastic of a drop`
`20:19.30`	`_Manu_`	`s/compila/compile`
`20:19.51`	`bz3076`	`it's mostly below 10ms with 1.10 and increases to about 30 ms with 2.0`
`20:20.36`	`bz3076`	`yes, i'll try to compile it myself`
`20:20.37`	`Grumbler`	`what happens when you shut off the chat and radar windows`
`20:21.13`	`bz3076`	`hm, i'm not home at the moment, can not test it now`
`20:21.35`	`Grumbler`	`try it, it help me tremendously`
`20:21.40`	`blast007`	`there is a "fast" radar mode that might increase your FPS`
`20:21.52`	`Grumbler`	`although the colors are a little borked`
`20:22.05`	`Grumbler`	`...yeah, yeah, trepan, i know, i can edit those`
`20:22.14`	`blast007`	`I sorta like them :)`
`20:22.34`	`Grumbler`	`yeah, but you are twisted, so it doesnt count :)`
`20:22.51`	`bz3076`	`:)`
`20:22.54`	`blast007`	`hehe`
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`20:25.46`	`bz3076`	`thanks and bye`
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`20:52.02`	`javaJake`	`~seen redsoxfan90`
`20:52.09`	`ibot`	`redsoxfan90 <Redsoxfan9@h000c6e3d2914.ne.client2.attbi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 23h 10m 41s ago, saying: 'hey tim'.`
`20:52.19`	`javaJake`	`hmmm.... he just signed on and off too.`
`20:52.21`	`javaJake`	`oh well`
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`20:56.21`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: Do not discard PlayerUpdate, even if a lot late`
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`20:59.57`	`Grumbler`	`everybody....its that time of the day......`
`21:00.40`	`Grumbler`	`http://www.pastiche.info/topliens/zik/numanumaye.htm`
`21:02.08`	`brlcad`	`yay`
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`21:02.49`	`brlcad`	`he's the new dancing hamster apparently`
`21:03.34`	`Grumbler`	`it would be interesting if a bunch of people got together and started doing parodies of the it`
`21:03.47`	`brlcad`	`you saw the asian parody, yes?`
`21:03.52`	`Grumbler`	`yes`
`21:04.08`	`Grumbler`	`and the polish version....i think it was polish`
`21:04.23`	`brlcad`	`the lego's one was pretty funny`
`21:04.38`	`Grumbler`	`yeah, a bit 80s mtv`
`21:04.46`	`Chestal`	`badger badger badger`
`21:04.59`	`Grumbler`	`heh`
`21:05.10`	`brlcad`	`snake`
`21:05.15`	`Grumbler`	`mushroom`
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`21:05.25`	`Pizbit`	`Eh`
`21:05.29`	`Pizbit`	`That's getting old now`
`21:05.44`	`Grumbler`	`yes, its all numanumaye now`
`21:06.00`	`Grumbler`	`heh`
`21:06.03`	`Pizbit`	`Nope`
`21:06.14`	`Pizbit`	`Shit, that was old over a month ago:)`
`21:06.27`	`brlcad`	`watch the language Pizbit`
`21:06.28`	`Grumbler`	`i am an old fart, a month old is still new`
`21:06.36`	`Pizbit`	`brlcad: Doh, sorry:)`
`21:06.57`	`brlcad`	`i must be getting old too .. hrmph`
`21:06.59`	`brlcad`	`never!`
`21:07.02`	`Grumbler`	`i am still waiting to see if that "rap" stuff gets to be popular`
`21:07.08`	`brlcad`	`heh`
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`21:11.10`	`Sephiroth`	`hey!`
`21:12.38`	`*** join/#bzflag toaster (~toaster@host-12-163-34-85.telstar-online.net)`
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`21:14.07`	`Grumbler`	`http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/34/`
`21:14.37`	`toaster`	`found a server bug, not sure if someone wants to know about it before I post to sourceforge`
`21:14.52`	`Grumbler`	`sure, why not, cant hurt`
`21:15.11`	`toaster`	`i can see it on viper - player counts off,`
`21:15.30`	`toaster`	`results in team auto-assignments being determined incorrectly`
`21:16.01`	`toaster`	`i think it's ignoring players above the max player count, but allowing extra players in`
`21:16.13`	`toaster`	`i have a screenshot with playerlist, too.`
`21:16.25`	`brlcad`	`toaster: I believe that's due to one of the recent viper customizations .. not for certain though`
`21:16.39`	`brlcad`	`i'd wait to see if someone (cough _Manu_) responds on the list`
`21:16.48`	`toaster`	`server is set for 10 players per team, but 12 on each.`
`21:16.58`	`toaster`	`manu just timed out`
`21:17.09`	`brad2901`	`that happened on ducati aswell`
`21:17.29`	`toaster`	`orange noticed it, and he's checking hepcat now`
`21:17.40`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad: here`
`21:17.48`	`brlcad`	`the point being, though, that I don't think it's a general bug.. if it is, then yeah, sure post it up :)`
`21:17.57`	`toaster`	`ok. i'll give it to Manu`
`21:18.08`	`toaster`	`thanks!`
`21:18.10`	`Chestal`	`any idea on what triggers it?`
`21:18.17`	`brlcad`	`I think _Manu_ needs commit access`
`21:18.38`	`toaster`	`it looks like it's only counting to the max authorized players when it updates screen info`
`21:19.11`	`toaster`	`because if you're admin, it doesn't show the @ sign either if you're in slot 25 or above`
`21:20.09`	`Chestal`	`I guess there is some inconsstency with CurMaxPlayers or similar`
`21:20.19`	`Chestal`	`I woudl also think that a post-2.0 change triggered it`
`21:20.36`	`Nidhoggr`	`wow. 17 second lag.`
`21:20.40`	`toaster`	`Manu wonders if it's due to rejoin timing`
`21:20.57`	`Chestal`	`possible`
`21:21.05`	`_Manu_`	`i think it's the reason`
`21:21.13`	`Chestal`	`the strange player states have always caused some problems`
`21:21.26`	`toaster`	`well, there are lots of strange players :)`
`21:21.31`	`Chestal`	`the map inconsistency bug has the same cause, but it occurs ever so rarely`
`21:22.04`	`Grumbler`	`http://www.ebaumsworld.com/nutrigrainad.html`
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`21:25.03`	`Tupone`	`SC: I found the CL+ST bug`
`21:25.18`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
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`21:30.38`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad: my costomizations for viper server.. don't cause those weird things.. but it helped to me for discovering it`
`21:31.07`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad: the problem is in the rejoiners slots.. and some bad check in the server code`
`21:33.17`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad: and the server don't show the slot number.. only if there is no space for alocating it in the email string`
`21:33.32`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad: for avoid a segfault`
`21:37.56`	`brlcad`	`i believe ya :) just making sure when someone reports it on viper first :)`
`21:38.06`	`brlcad`	`at least until viper's mods are mostly all sync'd`
`21:38.38`	`_Manu_`	`i think the problem is in the new stuff for rejoiners.. and checks`
`21:39.07`	`_Manu_`	`implemented in 2.0 version`
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`21:39.59`	`_Manu_`	`my /nkick and /nban commands.. are running in the same way that kick and ban but using slot numbers for it`
`21:40.03`	`brlcad`	`since 2.0 though`
`21:40.16`	`brlcad`	`i don't think 2.0.0 had that problem.. could be wrong`
`21:40.56`	`_Manu_`	`really don't know.. but the problem is there.. and some times causing the server hangs`
`21:41.06`	`brlcad`	`_Manu_: do you have an sf.net account?`
`21:41.17`	`_Manu_`	`yes callsign jujibo`
`21:41.25`	`_Manu_`	`mean user..`
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`21:44.51`	`brlcad`	`jujibo is _Manu_ ; he's provided several good patches to date already and has a few more queued up`
`21:45.05`	`Nidhoggr`	`manu rules!`
`21:45.37`	`Tupone`	`I haven't seen lot of patch in from _Manu_, so better give him dev access`
`21:45.39`	`_Manu_`	`_Manu_ is my bzflag nick`
`21:46.04`	`brlcad`	`yeah.. it'll be easier for _Manu_ and Tupone to argue if he gets access =)`
`21:46.25`	`Tupone`	`:)`
`21:46.27`	`_Manu_`	`:) thanks`
`21:46.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`did someone fix the adns bzfs crash yesterday?`
`21:47.21`	`Nidhoggr`	`it was discovered that if you included adns, the server would crash.`
`21:47.38`	`Tupone`	`I don't think somebody did`
`21:47.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`recvfrom(4, "\0\33psAX\33 \0\0\0\0\2\0\1:t\21\247\23\353\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 1024,`
`21:47.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`0, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1084), sin_addr=inet_addr("68.68.201.192")`
`21:47.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`}, [16]) = 31`
`21:47.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---`
`21:48.23`	`TimRiker`	`_Manu_: added. welcome aboard. re-checkout with :ext: format cvsroot or just edit all your CVS/Root files.`
`21:48.47`	`_Manu_`	`TimRiker: thanks`
`21:48.52`	`Nidhoggr`	`it had to be introduced into the code in the last few weeks, since I've compiled cvs and used it since 2.0 released.`
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`21:49.35`	`Blue_Beard`	`Wow. The channel still lives. :-)`
`21:50.01`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi bluey!`
`21:50.05`	`Blue_Beard`	`;-)`
`21:50.12`	`brlcad`	`~snowball Blue_Beard`
`21:50.15`	`ibot`	`ACTION launches a snowball tightly compressed with little shards of ice at Blue_Beard`
`21:50.15`	`Blue_Beard`	`Hey, Nidhoggr.`
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`21:50.29`	`Blue_Beard`	`ibot isn't very smart. You're supposed to put rocks in snowballs. ;-)`
`21:50.44`	`brlcad`	`sup spiffy`
`21:51.10`	`Blue_Beard`	`Mmm.. busy, busy. =) I haven't been around here in.. a few months. Haha.`
`21:51.18`	`Blue_Beard`	`How ya been, Learner?`
`21:51.23`	`TimRiker`	`Nidhoggr: and what happens if you do a lookup on 68.68.201.192 ?`
`21:51.27`	`TimRiker`	`~dns 68.68.201.192`
`21:51.31`	`brlcad`	`pretty good, nice and busy of late`
`21:51.45`	`Blue_Beard`	`Better to be busy than bored. =)`
`21:52.05`	`_Manu_`	`Blue_Beard: spaceman spiff?`
`21:52.25`	`Blue_Beard`	`Yes, Manu.`
`21:52.32`	`_Manu_`	`oh... long time not seen you`
`21:52.48`	`_Manu_`	`since Kernel Panic server..`
`21:52.58`	`brlcad`	`unless I'm in some dang "mandatory" meeting`
`21:53.01`	`Blue_Beard`	`Mm.. haven't played consistently for a year and a half or so.. heh.`
`21:53.18`	`Blue_Beard`	`Ewww. I hate those. Especially mandatory safety meetings.. haha.`
`21:54.29`	`orange`	`agh, did I hear there was a windows build of 2.0.2 somewhere? or pre-2.0.2?`
`21:54.41`	`Nidhoggr`	`bzflag:/usr/games/bzflag# host 68.68.201.192`
`21:54.42`	`Nidhoggr`	`192.201.68.68.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ca-redbch-cuda1-c5b-b-192.stmnca.adelphia.net.`
`21:55.52`	`Blue_Beard`	`The ones where they tell you not to stand on chairs to change lightbulbs and stuff... 8)`
`21:56.07`	`_Manu_`	`orange: cvs 2.0.1 is like a pre 2.0.2 i think :)`
`21:56.22`	`orange`	`_Manu_: I can't compile windows :-/`
`21:56.45`	`orange`	`there's a 2.0.1b2 feb18 at my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/`
`21:56.47`	`orange`	`is that newest?`
`21:57.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`just submitted it as a bug report.`
`21:57.51`	`_Manu_`	`well i think there are changes since Feb 18`
`21:58.24`	`orange`	`do you know if the nr observer bug has been fixed since 2.0.0 release?`
`21:58.37`	`Tupone`	`half hour ago`
`21:58.48`	`orange`	`~Tupone++`
`21:58.50`	`Tupone`	`not sure`
`21:59.00`	`Tupone`	`but an nr bug has been fixed`
`21:59.33`	`orange`	`normally it's not a huge deal, but the tk's and freaks are out today, and adminning while rejoining every 2 minutes is impossible`
`22:03.39`	`Blue_Beard`	`Whoa, look at the time.`
`22:14.36`	`menotume`	`Grumbler: need more ?`
`22:14.48`	`Grumbler`	`running out of choices`
`22:14.56`	`menotume`	`ahhh`
`22:15.03`	`menotume`	`what kind do you like ?`
`22:15.51`	`Grumbler`	`dont have a type, just like what i like`
`22:25.45`	`*** join/#bzflag bz9257 (~d5908c72@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`22:26.12`	`bz9257`	`hi`
`22:26.33`	`bz9257`	`i'm back with a self compiled 2.0 and some test results`
`22:27.02`	`bz9257`	`first, what does the time display i get with the key Y exactly mean?`
`22:28.30`	`bz9257`	`this is the most significant difference between 1.10 and 2.0`
`22:30.04`	`Nidhoggr`	`shows you how much I play bzflag these days... I'm not familiar with the Y key time thing.`
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`22:30.41`	`blast007`	`the 'y' key shows the frame draw time`
`22:31.05`	`Nidhoggr`	`oh, cool.`
`22:31.45`	`bz9257`	`so if this increases it's a measure for jerking?`
`22:31.52`	`blast007`	`it's sorta like the opposite of Frames Per Second ('y' shows Milliseconds Per Frame)`
`22:32.09`	`blast007`	`if it's higher, it basically means your FPS is lower`
`22:32.34`	`bz9257`	`seems not that easy`
`22:32.47`	`bz9257`	`or has the meaning changed between 1.10 and 2.0?`
`22:33.01`	`blast007`	`should be the sam`
`22:33.04`	`blast007`	`same*`
`22:33.45`	`bz9257`	`if i tune settings a bit for performance for 1.10 and 2.0 i get much higher time values for 2.0 as for 1.10`
`22:33.50`	`blast007`	`have you compared your performance of 1.10 and 2.0.0 on the exact same map?`
`22:34.19`	`bz9257`	`i have about 23 fps and 2 ms typically for 1.10`
`22:34.39`	`bz9257`	`no, both on a random map with build in server`
`22:34.44`	`blast007`	`ah`
`22:34.55`	`blast007`	`so those should just be normal maps then..hmm`
`22:34.57`	`bz9257`	`but difference is drastically`
`22:35.12`	`bz9257`	`for 2.0 i get 14 fps and about 70! ms`
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`22:35.59`	`bz9257`	`range is 15-25fps/2-3 ms for 1.10, 10-17fps/50-100ms for 2.0`
`22:36.32`	`bz9257`	`and 2.0 is much more jerking subjective`
`22:36.43`	`blast007`	`did you have the alternate textures for 1.10?`
`22:37.02`	`bz9257`	`hmm, probably no`
`22:37.04`	`blast007`	`2.0 has the higher resolution textures by default`
`22:37.16`	`LPMaN`	`kaj zaj se noben no�e borit? ste vsi pizdo stisnili..`
`22:37.18`	`bz9257`	`does not even know of alternative textures`
`22:37.19`	`LPMaN`	`pizda to ve� ni na�in`
`22:38.17`	`crko`	`hey LPMaN !`
`22:38.24`	`crko`	`why are you cursing on the channel`
`22:38.29`	`crko`	`i say: ban him!`
`22:38.48`	`LPMaN`	`who's cursing ?`
`22:38.51`	`crko`	`you`
`22:38.53`	`LPMaN`	`oh.`
`22:38.55`	`crko`	`in foreign languages`
`22:38.55`	`crko`	`:P�`
`22:38.57`	`menotume`	`BAR will match - if I can find a teammie`
`22:39.03`	`crko`	`k`
`22:39.05`	`crko`	`:>`
`22:39.07`	`LPMaN`	`i hasn't spoken english`
`22:39.16`	`LPMaN`	`don't talk me`
`22:39.19`	`crko`	`lol`
`22:39.35`	`crko`	`(stay away from LPMaN, he's got a bad case of herpes)`
`22:40.03`	`bz9257`	`may i install lower res textures for 2.0?`
`22:40.42`	`menotume`	`LPMaN, crko: let's battle !`
`22:40.45`	`menotume`	`where ?`
`22:40.48`	`crko`	`yeah!`
`22:40.49`	`crko`	`ducati?`
`22:40.52`	`crko`	`is it on?`
`22:40.57`	`crko`	`59999?`
`22:40.59`	`menotume`	`dunno - one sec`
`22:41.14`	`blast007`	`bz9257: you'd have to manually swap them out, as they aren't even available as a package for 2.0`
`22:41.53`	`menotume`	`ducati:59998 is up`
`22:42.29`	`crko`	`ok`
`22:42.31`	`crko`	`menotume, cu`
`22:42.50`	`menotume`	`k - cu there`
`22:43.42`	`bz9257`	`blast: by replacing some of the *.png files with the ones from 1.10?`
`22:44.12`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`22:44.39`	`blast007`	`really, I would think a 9200 could handle the textures just fine`
`22:45.23`	`brlcad`	`bz9257: sure, go ahead`
`22:45.48`	`bz9257`	`it's not a 9200 here, i think it's an i810`
`22:45.54`	`blast007`	`aaah`
`22:46.02`	`bz9257`	`not even an i830 as i thought`
`22:46.05`	`blast007`	`that might help then :)`
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`22:46.31`	`blast007`	`I had an intel 810 in here, but I upgraded to a GeForce FX 5200`
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`22:47.02`	`bz9257`	`it's not my home pc ;)`
`22:47.32`	`bz9257`	`it also has a lot of graphics errors with 2.0`
`22:48.05`	`bz9257`	`blinking aread in front of the tank and blinking stripes in the sky`
`22:48.07`	`blast007`	`hehe, I should post a screenshot of my laptop's 8MB Savage ;) it's ugly`
`22:48.25`	`bz9257`	`almost unplayable with 2.0 so far :(`
`22:48.29`	`blast007`	`I have a mountain flying overhead instead of clouds`
`22:48.40`	`bz9257`	`lol`
`22:50.11`	`bz9257`	`but what i dont understand there are no problems with 1.10, it's almost playable at least with 1024x768`
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`22:50.49`	`blast007`	`the 810 just is a crappy card...and the new 2.0 features are just too much for it`
`22:51.11`	`bz9257`	`is there an easy way to install more then one bzflag version, e.g. with a configure-option?`
`22:51.32`	`bz9257`	`i'm afraid of this :)`
`22:51.39`	`SportyGal`	`~Tupone++`
`22:51.48`	`bz9257`	`it's not just a gamer hardware ;)`
`22:53.02`	`tupone_laptop`	`~karma`
`22:53.02`	`ibot`	`tupone_laptop has neutral karma`
`22:53.09`	`tupone_laptop`	`~karma tupone`
`22:53.09`	`ibot`	`tupone has karma of 87`
`22:53.35`	`tupone_laptop`	`still far from Jeff :)`
`22:54.21`	`SportyGal`	`~jeffm2501`
`22:54.29`	`SportyGal`	`~karma jeffm2501`
`22:54.29`	`ibot`	`jeffm2501 has karma of 28`
`22:54.38`	`SportyGal`	`~karma patlabor221`
`22:54.38`	`ibot`	`patlabor221 has karma of 238`
`22:54.40`	`SportyGal`	`hehe`
`22:54.43`	`bz9257`	`so i need a 1.10 client which is capable of speeking the 2.0 network protocoll ;)`
`22:54.49`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`22:55.02`	`tupone_laptop`	`bz9257, there is noone now :(`
`22:55.12`	`bz9257`	`i know :(`
`22:55.17`	`brad2901`	`~karma`
`22:55.17`	`ibot`	`brad2901 has karma of 1`
`22:55.19`	`brad2901`	`yay`
`22:55.23`	`bz9257`	`and probably will never come`
`22:55.36`	`blast007`	`iirc, I normally played at 800x600 or less on my 810 for 1.10`
`22:55.55`	`bz9257`	`so i hope 2.0 will be fixed and speeded up as soon as possible`
`22:55.58`	`blast007`	`1.7 I could do at least 1024x768`
`22:56.37`	`bz9257`	`the 1.10 servers are dieing from day to day`
`22:56.42`	`blast007`	`yup`
`22:57.29`	`bz9257`	`never played 1.7, have started with 1.10 and love it :)`
`22:57.52`	`blast007`	`it's come a long way since 1.7`
`22:58.05`	`blast007`	`been fun to watch it progress :)`
`22:58.12`	`SportyGal`	`~karma Nidhoggr`
`22:58.12`	`ibot`	`nidhoggr has karma of 74`
`22:58.33`	`bz9257`	`yeah`
`22:58.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi SportyGal`
`22:59.37`	`Nidhoggr`	`some people are very helpful. :)`
`22:59.38`	`bz9257`	`but for me there should be more effort put into playabillity then into graphic gimmics ;)`
`22:59.44`	`SportyGal`	`hiya Nid`
`22:59.49`	`blast007`	`bz9257: you might try turning down the texture setting, lowering the resolution, and making sure that shadows and lighting are off`
`22:59.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`almost staff meeting time for me.`
`22:59.56`	`SportyGal`	`~karma SportChick`
`22:59.56`	`ibot`	`sportchick has karma of 73`
`23:00.28`	`Birdie`	`lol`
`23:00.37`	`Birdie`	`they must like you for another reason than`
`23:00.40`	`bz9257`	`shadows are off, lightning does not have much effect and lowering resolution only helps a bit`
`23:01.46`	`bz9257`	`strangely if i switch off all the graphics settings (dith, blend, smooth) it's getting much slower`
`23:01.51`	`blast007`	`what color depth are you running it at?`
`23:01.58`	`blast007`	`heh, yeah, I used to notice that too`
`23:02.31`	`bz9257`	`especially performance drops down if i rotate in front of teleporters`
`23:02.48`	`bz9257`	`down to 2 fps/ 1000 ms`
`23:03.14`	`blast007`	`hmm, is blending on or off?`
`23:03.29`	`bz9257`	`off is slower for me`
`23:03.32`	`blast007`	`k`
`23:03.51`	`bz9257`	`X server runs with 24 bit, could try 16 bit`
`23:04.07`	`blast007`	`ah, not sure if the 810 will accelerate at 24 bit`
`23:04.20`	`blast007`	`I always had to do 16 bit`
`23:04.26`	`bz9257`	`can i use command line option for bzflag or do i need to change the X server?`
`23:04.43`	`bz9257`	`glxgears gives about 410 fps`
`23:06.17`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`23:10.41`	`bz9257`	`2 X servers seem to be too much for this %$#@ of hardware ;), bzflag "runs" with 1 fps on the second X server :(`
`23:10.57`	`bz9257`	`bbl`
`23:11.00`	`TimRiker`	`bz9257: often 2nd X won't get hw 3d`
`23:12.41`	`*** join/#bzflag rabbit25 (~rabbit25@pcp03852369pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net)`
`23:12.44`	`rabbit25`	`hi`
`23:25.22`	`*** join/#bzflag bz0635 (~d5908c72@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`23:26.31`	`bz0635`	`very good idea to switch to 16 bit`
`23:27.26`	`bz0635`	`brought me more than 50 fps with 1280x1024 for 1.10 and even 35 fps for 2.0 if tank does not move`
`23:28.19`	`bz0635`	`and the frame time value for 2.0 goes down to 6 ms without motion`
`23:28.55`	`bz0635`	`it still goes up to 100 ms if i move and fire GMs although`
`23:29.14`	`*** join/#bzflag rpx (HydraIRC@resnet-27-192.dorm.utexas.edu)`
`23:29.29`	`bz0635`	`but one step towards playability :)`
`23:29.43`	`bz0635`	`thanks]\`
`23:29.57`	`blast007`	`:)`
`23:29.59`	`blast007`	`np`
`23:30.39`	`bz0635`	`bye`
`23:33.37`	`*** join/#bzflag Sephiroth (~5441c105@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
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`23:39.36`	`rabbit25`	`hello`
`23:40.06`	`gina`	`hi rabbit25`
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