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| 00:12.04 | JeffM2501 | anyone know if you can put groups in groups? |
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| 00:13.16 | cods | into define ? IIRC, yes. |
| 00:13.28 | cods | unless you're talking about something else.. |
| 00:14.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:14.25 | JeffM2501 | I thought you could too |
| 00:14.30 | JeffM2501 | just have no way to test here |
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| 00:34.53 | SilverFox | ~seen cosmos |
| 00:34.54 | ibot | cosmos <~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 48d 19h 25m 13s ago, saying: 'ive actually had multiple servers at 30 before'. |
| 00:35.03 | Noodle-sensei | chopin pwns j00 |
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| 01:12.42 | Silver1 | ~seen TimRiker |
| 01:12.44 | ibot | timriker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2h 18m 22s ago, saying: 'Brad2901: sf sucks more at the moment that it normally does.'. |
| 01:21.06 | Tartaros | :) |
| 01:21.16 | Tartaros | nice last words :P |
| 01:21.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't ever autoghost the player who's trying to join, even if they have a lower playerid than the already-joined player |
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| 02:23.28 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, whatd that last patch do? |
| 02:23.34 | sgk284 | oh and hello from earlier:) |
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| 02:25.11 | DTRemenak | sgk284: if you joined a lower playerslot than the person you were trying to ghost it would kick you instead of him |
| 02:26.03 | sgk284 | heh |
| 02:26.46 | sgk284 | ~sgk284-- |
| 02:27.23 | sgk284 | ~dtremenak++ |
| 02:27.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:27.41 | DTRemenak | it's an easy mistake to make |
| 02:28.04 | sgk284 | yea its always amazing how stupid bugs seem once they are found |
| 02:28.12 | DTRemenak | yup :) |
| 02:28.12 | sgk284 | hinddight is a wonderful thing |
| 02:28.15 | sgk284 | hindsight* |
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| 02:35.39 | SportChick | sgk284: there were more problems today with autoghosting - ts kept getting kicked out when trying to ghost himself |
| 02:37.33 | DTRemenak | SportChick: that's been fixed...it's what we were discussing |
| 02:38.23 | SportChick | DTRemenak: oh, ok -sorry didn't read back |
| 02:38.28 | SportChick | just sgk and jumped |
| 02:39.42 | SportChick | s/just/just saw |
| 02:42.37 | sgk284 | hehe hey sporty, how goes it |
| 02:51.01 | uidzero | ~bzfquery bzflag.bsdhacker.org:5154 |
| 02:55.21 | `ls` | ~dns hepcat.bzflag.org |
| 02:55.28 | `ls` | ~dns match.bzflag.org |
| 03:06.21 | JeffM2501 | ahh ya gotta love a mobo with things labeled as IDE 3 and IDE 4 |
| 03:06.39 | JeffM2501 | `ls`, if I can piece together a durron 1.3 you ant it? |
| 03:13.43 | uidzero | ok |
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| 03:18.40 | `ls` | JeffM2501: free hardware is always nice if that's what you're offereing. |
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| 03:27.04 | BOFH_ | anyone happen to know the best way to use bzflag with an esound daemon running? |
| 03:27.38 | BOFH_ | I can kill esd and get sounds.... but I would rather not.. LOL |
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| 04:28.35 | bryjen | what happened to ide0-2 ? |
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| 04:31.42 | bz9849 | hello? |
| 04:32.47 | bz9849 | I wonder if there is a way to use the opengl drvier for the kernel drm and not the x11 drm?? |
| 04:33.50 | bryjen | hmm? |
| 04:39.21 | bz9849 | i use kernel 2.6 and the x11 drm does not support 2.6 but man the scheduler smokes |
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| 04:42.48 | sgk284 | SportChick, whats wrong? |
| 04:42.50 | bryjen | odd. i'm using 2.6 and dri/drm/whatever |
| 04:43.17 | SportChick | I still can't play. Junker threatened to kick me for lag. and others were complaining. My stats were 32ms +-33ms |
| 04:43.50 | bryjen | heh. 32 - 33 = ? :) |
| 04:46.43 | SportChick | bryjen, if you laugh at me I swear I'll start deleting your karma |
| 04:48.25 | bryjen | not at you. :| |
| 04:48.37 | Pizbit | SportChick: Howtf is that counted as 'lag'? |
| 04:49.03 | bryjen | high jitter causes that tank to jerk all over the place |
| 04:49.07 | SportChick | jitter |
| 04:49.43 | Pizbit | Jitter? Something along the lines of packet loss or so? |
| 04:49.47 | bryjen | instead of moving smoothly, it just appears somewhere else |
| 04:50.11 | SportChick | bryjen: sorry - I'm just incredibly frustrated. It would be one thing if we had identified the problem and begun fixing it, but so far, no progress in id-ing it even. |
| 04:50.33 | Pizbit | Does jitter appear to the person playing? |
| 04:50.42 | SportChick | not to me, although sometimes it does |
| 04:50.46 | bryjen | packet loss can cause it. does seem to be that for SportChick tho. is quite a mystery |
| 04:50.54 | bryjen | s/does/does not/ |
| 04:54.14 | bryjen | i think i saw someone else on sp earlier with a similar issue. at least they jumped around and blamed it on a bug. |
| 04:55.12 | bryjen | with the callsign "there is a bug" iirc. not sure i believed them, as they claimed their "bug" was fixed in 2.0.1 |
| 04:55.29 | Pizbit | 2.0.1 is out?:) |
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| 04:55.44 | bryjen | 2.0.1 is the work-in-progress code that will become 2.0.2 |
| 04:57.40 | Papi | i'm having problems with sound on version 2 (FC3) ... known issues? |
| 04:58.17 | bryjen | do you have a sound daemon running? ( esd or artsd ) and what kind of problems? |
| 04:58.53 | Papi | sound is choppy |
| 05:00.14 | Papi | no sound daemons running |
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| 05:01.12 | Papi | the sound is there ... but it stutters in the login screen as well as in game |
| 05:02.38 | bryjen | when you first start bzflag, what does it say about audio driver in the message panel? |
| 05:02.47 | SportChick | bryjen: l4m3r was having problems all day |
| 05:03.53 | Papi | says 'artsc' |
| 05:04.21 | bryjen | hmm |
| 05:05.34 | bryjen | in the menu Options, then Audio, you may try setting the driver to alsa or oss |
| 05:06.00 | bryjen | or was it alsa or dsp ? |
| 05:08.11 | Papi | thanks bryjen |
| 05:08.18 | Papi | i forced it to alsa |
| 05:08.22 | Papi | and now sound is good |
| 05:08.31 | Papi | :) |
| 05:08.54 | bryjen | cool :) |
| 05:09.13 | Papi | thanks ... happy hunting ;) |
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| 05:21.01 | bryjen | ewwww http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3031 |
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| 05:41.26 | scanline | hahaha |
| 05:41.29 | scanline | "base 100mhz lan" |
| 05:42.31 | scanline | well, it's supposed to be 11MHz, but it usually feels like mHz |
| 05:42.51 | scanline | uh oh |
| 05:42.55 | scanline | "I have an idea for the next version" |
| 05:43.03 | scanline | words a software developer *never* wants to see |
| 05:43.10 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:43.12 | scanline | mmmyep... |
| 05:43.19 | scanline | some drivel about webcams |
| 05:43.20 | purple_cow | where's that? |
| 05:43.26 | scanline | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2938 |
| 05:43.42 | scanline | this bulletin board is all differenty |
| 05:43.59 | scanline | and it has a badly antialiased tank at the top now rather than a big whatsit with rockets |
| 05:44.06 | Pizbit | See, voice chat I can understand, but webcams? etf? |
| 05:44.13 | Pizbit | wtf* |
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| 05:51.47 | bryjen | our whatsit permit expired, so it had to be taken down ;) |
| 05:54.02 | bryjen | and then there's the fees for the proper disposal of a used whatsit... |
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| 05:59.06 | Pizbit | huh? |
| 06:15.27 | orange | I have an idea for the next version |
| 06:15.33 | orange | tank silencers :-) |
| 06:15.40 | orange | http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/1579/ |
| 06:17.54 | Pizbit | Woa, that's huge |
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| 06:32.50 | sussudio | can someone ban "LOL" from pimpi? |
| 06:37.30 | erik_k | Um... Is anyone actually here? |
| 06:38.39 | Pizbit | no |
| 06:39.38 | erik_k | Hm. Bzflag was causing strangeness in my http logs... |
| 06:39.48 | erik_k | I posted a support request to sourceforge... |
| 06:40.08 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 06:40.17 | JeffM2501 | it uses HHTP for some stuff |
| 06:40.23 | erik_k | Just a sec... |
| 06:41.32 | erik_k | Okay... there are requests to my Apache server from localhost that look like this: |
| 06:41.47 | erik_k | 127.0.0.1 - - [17/Feb/2005:23:16:45 -0800] "GET /db/?action=REMOVE&nameport=ejksdesktop.homelinux.com:5000 HTTP/1.1" 404 277 "-" "bzfs 2.0.0.20050203-STABLE-linux-gnu" |
| 06:41.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah list server stuff |
| 06:42.12 | JeffM2501 | that's normal |
| 06:42.24 | erik_k | Why's it talking to localhost though? |
| 06:42.34 | erik_k | Shouldn't it talk to the listserv? |
| 06:43.03 | JeffM2501 | could be scan for lan game |
| 06:43.15 | JeffM2501 | could be just your looping thru |
| 06:43.33 | sussudio | is there any point in going from directx 9.0b to 9.0c for bzflag? |
| 06:43.46 | JeffM2501 | your drivers may need it |
| 06:43.51 | JeffM2501 | we just need 7 or higher |
| 06:44.18 | sussudio | my videodrivers haven't been updated in at least a year |
| 06:44.35 | JeffM2501 | you may want to do that |
| 06:44.56 | sussudio | why? and go through all that shit again with win2000? |
| 06:45.05 | sussudio | updating ati drivers isn't exactly painless |
| 06:45.20 | erik_k | Can it be as bad as dealing with Nvidia's drivers on Linux? |
| 06:45.34 | sussudio | erik_k: i'd say worse |
| 06:45.39 | Pizbit | Eh? nvidia drivers in linux is piss easy |
| 06:45.49 | JeffM2501 | that they are |
| 06:45.54 | Pizbit | It's the ATI ones in linux that is a PITA. |
| 06:46.13 | erik_k | Hmm... Last time I had an ATI card, the builtin OSS drivers worked pretty well |
| 06:46.13 | JeffM2501 | sussudio, lang please |
| 06:46.22 | sussudio | what? |
| 06:46.23 | JeffM2501 | snikker |
| 06:46.31 | JeffM2501 | your language |
| 06:46.43 | sussudio | wtf? |
| 06:46.52 | erik_k | (Oh my...) |
| 06:46.57 | JeffM2501 | read what you type |
| 06:47.10 | Pizbit | Apart from using a k insteaf of a g |
| 06:47.26 | JeffM2501 | line about going thur |
| 06:47.43 | sussudio | jesus |
| 06:47.53 | JeffM2501 | I don't make the rules |
| 06:48.19 | MeBigFatGuy | sussudio? |
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| 06:48.22 | orchid | Pizbit: lot of kids visit this channel |
| 06:48.44 | sussudio | yeah and none of them have either heard the word |
| 06:48.49 | Pizbit | orchid: Oh, back in the ban "LOL" line? *blink* |
| 06:49.03 | orchid | sussudio: so what? |
| 06:49.40 | sussudio | ~dict sanctimonious |
| 06:49.57 | JeffM2501 | dude just deal with it, you know about the rules, and you have for a VERY long time |
| 06:50.05 | JeffM2501 | or go do what ever it is you do in your own channel |
| 06:51.02 | sussudio | fine. instead of doing what you're supposed to do, like adminning servers, go whine about a word for half an hour. |
| 06:51.09 | *** part/#bzflag sussudio (suss@sussudio.user) |
| 06:51.11 | JeffM2501 | WE DON |
| 06:51.15 | orchid | supposed to ? |
| 06:51.16 | JeffM2501 | we don't run server |
| 06:51.26 | purple_cow | yes, supposed to |
| 06:51.33 | orchid | good grief |
| 06:51.38 | purple_cow | now quit picking your nose and KICKBAN THOSE CHEATERS |
| 06:51.51 | purple_cow | O:-) |
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| 06:52.54 | erik_k | Going back a few minutes, what's 'looping through' |
| 06:53.03 | erik_k | Talking to the loopback interfacE? |
| 06:53.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah maybe |
| 06:53.13 | JeffM2501 | dono that much about nix |
| 06:53.49 | erik_k | Well, if you have an Nvidia card and use their drivers, don't type startx before you reinstall their kernel module... |
| 06:53.53 | JeffM2501 | if your running client the system will send out those requests, don't know why it's loging, that up to you and apache |
| 06:54.14 | Pizbit | erik_k: Erm, their installer does that all for you. |
| 06:54.44 | Pizbit | Newer drivers is just running the newer .run file and you're away. |
| 06:55.11 | erik_k | I mean that when you upgrade the distro, the old kernel module you compiled dies. |
| 06:55.28 | erik_k | If you try to startx without the module, the screen+kbd locks up |
| 06:55.36 | Pizbit | Maybe on your machine:) |
| 06:56.23 | Pizbit | Here there's no problem, although I don't use startx instead using gdm, with a newer kernel gdm just bombs up after 3 attempts to start the x server and you just login, run the file, and restart gdm:) |
| 06:57.19 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/AccessControlList.cxx: fixing timed ban removing |
| 06:58.17 | purple_cow | erik_k: hmm, shouldn't lock up, should just say it couldn't initialize the module |
| 06:58.27 | purple_cow | might have a bug elsewhere in the kernel/X |
| 06:58.53 | Pizbit | erik_k: What distribution? |
| 06:58.56 | Tupone | Pizbit: fedora core? |
| 06:59.13 | erik_k | purple_cow: I think it's that the old kernel module is still there and doesn't like the new kernel |
| 06:59.19 | erik_k | urgh... |
| 06:59.25 | erik_k | (never used IRC before) |
| 06:59.38 | erik_k | Anyway, I'm currently on Mandrake 10.1 |
| 07:00.10 | Pizbit | erik_k: What you're experiencing is really odd, I can only assume the newer kernels aren't installed/setup/whatever properly |
| 07:00.22 | Pizbit | Tupone: Uh, no? |
| 07:01.22 | Tupone | I saw only fedora core that in case nvidia does not work, start with another driver |
| 07:02.17 | erik_k | The only other drivers I know of for Nvidia cards are the ones that come with the distro, and those aren't worth much. |
| 07:03.13 | erik_k | I remember the first time I installed my Nvidia card after the ATI died: I went from 65fps in Armagetron to like 8 on the builtin drivers! :( |
| 07:03.46 | purple_cow | erik_k: the builtin nv module is only 2D acceleration |
| 07:05.31 | erik_k | purple_cow: All I could figure out at the time was all of a sudden my 3-d games stunk :-) |
| 07:11.35 | erik_k | One last thing before I go to sleep... |
| 07:11.55 | erik_k | Since I upgraded to Mandrake 10.1, I can't compile BZflag-2.0.0 anymore |
| 07:12.41 | erik_k | Things go fine until it tries to link everything together into the executable. |
| 07:13.40 | erik_k | Then it fails with ~1200 lines of errors like this: |
| 07:13.50 | erik_k | _/usr/include/c++/3.3.2/bits/stl_algo.h:293: undefined reference to `std::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::allocate(unsigned int)' |
| 07:14.15 | erik_k | Anyone know what's up with that? |
| 07:17.16 | JeffM2501 | you don't have all the runtimes |
| 07:17.45 | erik_k | I'm missing a .so somewhere? |
| 07:18.12 | JeffM2501 | and headers |
| 07:18.14 | JeffM2501 | and stuff |
| 07:18.25 | JeffM2501 | make sure you have all of the C++ compiler and libs |
| 07:18.42 | erik_k | This means my upgrade was FUBAR, doesn't it (prays answer is no) |
| 07:18.50 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 07:18.56 | erik_k | Whew |
| 07:18.57 | JeffM2501 | it just means you didn't upgrade all your packages |
| 07:19.00 | JeffM2501 | fix the packages |
| 07:19.28 | erik_k | Ah. I've been having a little problem with urpmi lately too |
| 07:20.07 | erik_k | Seems liblcms disappeared and noone knows where to |
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| 07:22.28 | erik_k | And now that that happened, forget using urpmi --update until it's fixed. |
| 07:23.40 | Pizbit | Heh, and this is one of the reasons why I ditched mandrake;) |
| 07:23.51 | erik_k | What, urpmi? |
| 07:25.16 | Pizbit | Package management and supply is general was lousy. |
| 07:25.23 | erik_k | :( |
| 07:25.31 | Pizbit | er, is=in |
| 07:26.01 | erik_k | Hmm... My biggest complaint is the seemingly pathological dependencies of KDE |
| 07:26.13 | Pizbit | Hehe |
| 07:26.30 | erik_k | One stupid little KDE program gets updated - Here comes 50Megs of updated lib-everything |
| 07:26.33 | Pizbit | Next time go with Ubuntu, gnome centric *and* it doesn't use rpms, it uses debs:) |
| 07:27.33 | erik_k | Indeed. RPMS tend to be a PITA, I'll give you that for certain. |
| 07:27.56 | JeffM2501 | dont' real package manager take care of that stuff? |
| 07:28.08 | Pizbit | JeffM2501: Supposed to:) |
| 07:28.12 | erik_k | That's what urpmi is for |
| 07:28.20 | JeffM2501 | apt seems to work well |
| 07:28.39 | Pizbit | apt4rpm of the real deal? |
| 07:28.58 | erik_k | Until you accidently hit ^C while it's running... |
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| 07:29.15 | Pizbit | erik_k: Lol, apt just gets over it |
| 07:29.38 | erik_k | I don't know if it was me interrupting it or what, but jeez... |
| 07:29.45 | erik_k | my update system got screwed up somewhere |
| 07:29.49 | Pizbit | Usually with apt just running the same command again works a treat heh. |
| 07:30.15 | anyong | hello? |
| 07:30.17 | JeffM2501 | why run a fake apt when you can have the real one |
| 07:30.43 | erik_k | Yeah, yeah, mock the poor RPM user :) |
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| 07:30.55 | JeffM2501 | not like anyone is forcing you to use it |
| 07:31.11 | Pizbit | erik_k: *grin* :) |
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| 07:31.31 | Pizbit | JeffM2501: Some people actually like rpm based distros with apt4rpm *shudder* |
| 07:31.54 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats there boat |
| 07:32.13 | anyong | what are you talking about |
| 07:32.30 | jpa_ | morning |
| 07:32.39 | anyong | morning? |
| 07:32.45 | erik_k | Morning? It's 11:32PM on the West Coast :P |
| 07:33.00 | erik_k | And it's school tomorrow... Oh well |
| 07:33.03 | jpa_ | anyong: the time when sun rises and nerds get back to their computers? |
| 07:33.03 | JeffM2501 | not everyone is on your side of the ball of mud erik_k |
| 07:33.04 | anyong | nits 4:35 |
| 07:33.07 | Pizbit | erik_k: Er, so? |
| 07:33.26 | Pizbit | jpa_: No, morning is when they get *off* their computers:) |
| 07:33.46 | erik_k | What is this "leave computer" you talk about? |
| 07:33.46 | anyong | erik how old ARE YOU |
| 07:33.47 | jpa_ | Pizbit: no, that is never |
| 07:33.53 | erik_k | 17 |
| 07:34.16 | anyong | im 10 i go to school to |
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| 07:34.36 | erik_k | *Note: Stargate SG-1, Atlantis, BSG on Fridays == valid excuse to leave computer screen |
| 07:35.17 | Pizbit | erik_k: *cough*PVR/tvcard/etc*cough* |
| 07:35.22 | anyong | hey guys um.....err... i go to taekwondo soon so ill have to go soon |
| 07:35.23 | jpa_ | nope.. valid excuse to leave irc below xtv |
| 07:35.54 | erik_k | Yeah, I have both a tv tuner card in my computer and a DVR... |
| 07:35.55 | Pizbit | erik_k: I record the tv shows I want to watch, extract the ads, then watch the actual content uninterrupted -- on my computer. |
| 07:36.17 | erik_k | But for some reason, I prefer to vegitate in front of the TV |
| 07:36.30 | erik_k | Leave it on pause for 15 minutes, byebye ads. |
| 07:38.01 | erik_k | Hmmm... I hate RPM dependencies. Why can't we just statically link everything :P |
| 07:38.19 | erik_k | (Just saw an ugly list of file conflicts pop up from urpmi) |
| 07:38.40 | Pizbit | Because that's just plain horrid. |
| 07:38.54 | Pizbit | Just imagine how bloated everything would be |
| 07:38.59 | erik_k | I do remember one time statically linking actually helped... |
| 07:39.22 | jpa_ | because some strange person invented dynamic linking and we do not want to let it go unused |
| 07:40.20 | Pizbit | s/microsoft/kde </flameware> :) |
| 07:40.27 | Pizbit | er, minues the last e |
| 07:40.51 | erik_k | Flameware - Now that would be an interesting piece of software to write |
| 07:41.01 | erik_k | Train it in all the flaming techniques... |
| 07:41.08 | Pizbit | Heh |
| 07:41.15 | erik_k | All the subjects... |
| 07:41.37 | erik_k | Then let loose the reign of terror of a thousand 0wned windows-box-irc-zombies on IRC... |
| 07:41.44 | erik_k | :) |
| 07:42.49 | JeffM2501 | we already have the terror of the 12 year old webchat users |
| 07:42.55 | jpa_ | http://search.ebay.com/Flameware_W0QQfkrZ1QQfnuZ1QQxpufuZx |
| 07:43.30 | erik_k | Bwahaha... --force --allow-force, when you absolutely want to tell your system's dependency checker to go ***** itself! :) |
| 07:43.47 | jpa_ | --no-deps also :) |
| 07:44.11 | Pizbit | --install-debian works best:) |
| 07:44.30 | erik_k | Okay... I've cleared up the error messages... pray for URPMI :) |
| 07:44.43 | erik_k | *drum roll* |
| 07:45.21 | erik_k | Horray! It worked! Now if only rpm.pbone.net actually had all the files it claims to have |
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| 07:47.06 | erik_k | jpa_: The nice thing about urpmi is that it will pull down the dependencies for you automatically. It just won't override conflicts |
| 07:48.45 | jpa_ | umm.. so is it somehow different than apt-rpm, yum or up2date? |
| 07:48.58 | erik_k | Erm... no. |
| 07:49.03 | jpa_ | or what distro are we talking about? :) |
| 07:49.17 | erik_k | Mandrake 10.1 on my end |
| 07:50.05 | jpa_ | ah |
| 07:50.16 | jpa_ | i was talking about fedora :P |
| 07:50.19 | erik_k | At any rate, I suppose I was trying to say that urpmi doesn't have --no-deps |
| 07:50.51 | jpa_ | and i though you were trying to install urpmi to your system with normal rpm |
| 07:53.03 | erik_k | I had a missing low-level library problem that I had to resolve with rpm -i --force; Now I'm updating using urpmi --update --auto-select -y --force --allow-force |
| 07:54.20 | erik_k | Heh... anyone remember that commercial with the person looking at the clock, and she says "I can live with 6 hours of sleep..." and then it gets whiddled down to 5, 3, 2, 1, none? |
| 07:54.32 | erik_k | That's what gonna happen to me tonight, I can see it coming... |
| 07:58.52 | erik_k | blast... I gotta go |
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| 08:03.39 | SilverFox | If a player is NR, what should happen to the flag s/he is carrying? |
| 08:04.25 | SilverFox | I saw a player on overlord a bit ago that would go nr for 20-30 seconds while holding the red flag. |
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| 09:29.43 | jpa_ | hmmmmmm |
| 09:30.28 | jpa_ | 40fps with -O6 on olympics map, barely any errors, with normal -O2, i get only 17fps |
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| 09:36.37 | Chestal | jpa_: hmm, interesting. -O3 is highest with gcc, though, AFAIK |
| 09:38.05 | jpa_ | humm? |
| 09:38.28 | jpa_ | i edited makefile, put -O6 and it worked fine :P |
| 09:38.51 | jpa_ | the menu just corrupts a bit and radar flashes when connecting, but it works :P |
| 09:39.08 | Chestal | uh? shouldn't behave differently |
| 09:39.20 | Chestal | -On with n>=3 is same as 3 I think |
| 09:40.21 | jpa_ | it does, how ever |
| 09:40.26 | jpa_ | but i have to go now -> |
| 09:43.44 | mmu_man | maybe -O6 is "optimize optimization", as in "only optimize when useful" :D |
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| 10:02.46 | scanline | no, -O3 is the highest that gcc cares about |
| 10:03.23 | scanline | it could be it completely ignored -O6 or did something crazy :P |
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| 12:42.18 | Grumbler | gotta get up pretty early in the morning to catch a post from scanline |
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| 14:56.15 | Rabbit | hi |
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| 14:57.38 | Pimpinella | hi Rabbit , hi ToughShooter |
| 14:58.02 | ruskie | lo all |
| 14:58.14 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 14:58.16 | Brad2901 | hi rabbit :) |
| 14:59.07 | Rabbit | hi' |
| 14:59.35 | Rabbit | how come there are a lot of people but no one seems to be talking? |
| 14:59.52 | Pimpinella | talking about what? |
| 15:00.02 | Rabbit | bzflag |
| 15:00.12 | Rabbit | or anything for that matter |
| 15:00.26 | ruskie | Rabbit, it's called idleing |
| 15:00.31 | ruskie | read about it... |
| 15:00.34 | Rabbit | annoying |
| 15:00.37 | Rabbit | ok |
| 15:00.39 | ruskie | fascinating phenomena |
| 15:00.42 | Rabbit | lol |
| 15:00.43 | ruskie | :)) |
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| 15:00.56 | uidzero | How do I use the guided missle? |
| 15:01.10 | ruskie | reight click to lockon and left click to fire |
| 15:01.11 | Rabbit | 04right click to lock on |
| 15:01.24 | Rabbit | or control left click on os x |
| 15:01.27 | uidzero | Right click is jump (I only have one-hand. |
| 15:01.27 | uidzero | :| |
| 15:01.28 | ruskie | just be sure you lock on to the right target |
| 15:01.36 | ruskie | :( |
| 15:01.38 | Rabbit | use control clcik |
| 15:01.40 | uidzero | I guess I'll move it. |
| 15:01.47 | Rabbit | oh |
| 15:01.49 | Rabbit | nvm |
| 15:01.49 | uidzero | Rabbit: one-hand... har to do. :P |
| 15:01.51 | Rabbit | ;( |
| 15:01.53 | uidzero | hard |
| 15:01.54 | uidzero | brb |
| 15:01.56 | Rabbit | i know |
| 15:01.58 | Rabbit | sry |
| 15:02.03 | uidzero | NO problem. :) |
| 15:02.08 | uidzero | I'll figure it out. |
| 15:02.10 | uidzero | brb |
| 15:02.11 | ruskie | hmmm how about a N button mouse??? |
| 15:02.19 | Rabbit | does your mouse have 3 buttons? |
| 15:02.34 | Rabbit | then you could probably do it... |
| 15:02.36 | ruskie | <-- has two extra buttons which he plans to make into jump and I don't know what |
| 15:02.49 | Rabbit | hmmm |
| 15:02.51 | Rabbit | ok |
| 15:03.06 | Pimpinella | button 3 (middle) is usually drop flag |
| 15:03.10 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:03.26 | ruskie | I think a 5 button mouse would be a must to play bzflag properly... |
| 15:03.33 | Rabbit | ya |
| 15:03.38 | Rabbit | :( |
| 15:03.55 | Rabbit | i would get confused w/ all the buttons |
| 15:04.11 | ruskie | <-- has yet to figure out how to assign anything to the two extra buttons... and how to bind binocs to mouse wheel |
| 15:04.51 | uidzero | oops Got excited and killed a team member.. :| |
| 15:04.57 | ruskie | ouch |
| 15:05.14 | uidzero | Ok, brb |
| 15:05.16 | uidzero | :) |
| 15:05.47 | Rabbit | what server are you on? |
| 15:06.00 | Thumper_ | antikick/antiban privs - do these checks only work for logged in players? |
| 15:06.17 | *** join/#bzflag RedBaron2 (~d8ada652@rw08.de) |
| 15:06.20 | Thumper_ | ie can players with antiban be banned when not connected? |
| 15:06.38 | Thumper_ | and is this the intended way it should work? |
| 15:07.12 | Rabbit | i dunno |
| 15:08.06 | _Manu_ | if a player with antiban is loged, he is banned, but not removed.. then he receive a message about it |
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| 15:08.56 | _Manu_ | he must remove the ban to his ip.. by hand |
| 15:09.06 | _Manu_ | if he is not loged, can be banned |
| 15:14.42 | uidzero | Rabbit: hepcat |
| 15:15.07 | uidzero | Rabbit: bzflag.bsdhacker.org :) |
| 15:15.12 | uidzero | Go there. :) |
| 15:15.15 | Rabbit | k |
| 15:15.20 | Rabbit | what version? |
| 15:15.23 | Rabbit | 2.0? |
| 15:15.28 | uidzero | Yeah, i think. :) |
| 15:15.46 | Rabbit | ok |
| 15:15.51 | Rabbit | what port? |
| 15:16.03 | uidzero | 5154 |
| 15:16.08 | Rabbit | k |
| 15:16.48 | Rabbit | im there... |
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| 15:23.56 | Nidhoggr | hrm. my work mac isn't booting |
| 15:24.47 | SportChick | omg, it is raining sooooooooo hard here |
| 15:25.28 | Nidhoggr | SportChick: yeah... we've been getting it here, too... not quite so much, but way more than we are supposed to. |
| 15:25.38 | RedBaron2 | move to FL the sunshine state :D |
| 15:26.18 | SportChick | wow! we are scheduled for THUNDERstorms today (that is a novelty in socal) |
| 15:26.19 | Thumper_ | oh you mean the hurricane state |
| 15:26.25 | Rabbit | it was raining really hard here yesterday... |
| 15:26.31 | RedBaron2 | lol thumper |
| 15:26.37 | Nidhoggr | yeah. we are supposed to get the tstorms tomorrow. |
| 15:27.38 | uidzero | I haven't figured out how to minimize bzflag in X. :) |
| 15:28.30 | Pimpinella | uidzero: F4 |
| 15:28.47 | Pimpinella | needs to be build with sdl |
| 15:29.12 | uidzero | I'll try., |
| 15:29.29 | uidzero | Pimpinella: Nice, thanks. |
| 15:29.32 | uidzero | "_ |
| 15:29.33 | uidzero | :) |
| 15:29.36 | uidzero | <3 Pimpinella |
| 15:31.12 | Nidhoggr | work mac is hosed. :( |
| 15:31.45 | uidzero | Not good. |
| 15:35.30 | Grumbler | mornin Nidhoggr and all |
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| 15:45.11 | Nidhoggr | hi Grumbler |
| 15:45.51 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr< have to apologize, i didnt get anything done on dragon |
| 15:46.36 | Nidhoggr | that's ok. I've been too busy to work on stuff as well. |
| 15:46.50 | Nidhoggr | looks like my system folder is corrupted on my mac. :( |
| 15:46.56 | Nidhoggr | my work machine. |
| 15:47.43 | Grumbler | i was thinking of a quick fix, take the existing map, raise it up 100, mirror all the blocks at 100, and put jpa_ 's ocean map below......it would at least be consistent |
| 15:48.02 | Grumbler | ouch, sry to hear.....lets put an end to corruption |
| 15:48.06 | Thumper_ | good morning Grumbler |
| 15:49.34 | Grumbler | mornin' Thumper_ |
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| 16:09.44 | rabbit25 | whats the weather like? |
| 16:10.12 | Brad2901 | is it snowing? |
| 16:10.16 | Nidhoggr | lots of rain |
| 16:10.16 | RedBaron2 | sunny |
| 16:10.25 | rabbit25 | sunny here too |
| 16:10.35 | Brad2901 | snow here :) |
| 16:10.44 | rabbit25 | Lucky!!!... |
| 16:11.03 | rabbit25 | at least i can go play outside and not freeze to death |
| 16:11.03 | Brad2901 | yeah |
| 16:11.23 | rabbit25 | g2g bye! |
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| 16:29.46 | TheRedBaron | ~Nidhoggr ++ |
| 16:35.25 | Grumbler | ya know a tv show is going down when they start to pull a degeneris to boost ratings and stop focusing on what go them there to begin with. |
| 16:36.07 | TheRedBaron | eh? |
| 16:36.20 | TheRedBaron | !dict degeneris |
| 16:36.21 | guu | TheRedBaron: No definition for 'degeneris' could be found. |
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| 16:37.12 | Grumbler | probably spelt her name wrong |
| 16:37.31 | Nidhoggr | what does "pulled a degeneris" actually mean? |
| 16:37.34 | TheRedBaron | her? |
| 16:37.40 | Nidhoggr | ellen |
| 16:37.41 | Grumbler | Ellen DeGeneres |
| 16:37.46 | Nidhoggr | talk show host |
| 16:37.56 | Grumbler | she used to have a sitcom |
| 16:37.59 | Nidhoggr | but what are you inferring when you say "pulled a degeneres"? |
| 16:38.01 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:38.17 | Nidhoggr | and which tv show did this? |
| 16:38.18 | TheRedBaron | grumbler: sorry, I don't watch tv these days... not worth it :0 |
| 16:38.20 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 16:38.30 | Grumbler | good going baron |
| 16:38.55 | TheRedBaron | i find better ways to waste my time, IE, bzflag :) |
| 16:39.05 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:40.33 | Grumbler | the simpsons is getting press for having a gay marriage, in similar fashion to the elen sitcom.......if you are getting press because you are showing something that is really not related to your focus...i mean come on, who cares.....is it really that big a deal? |
| 16:41.24 | Grumbler | ....wonders who pushes these topics to the headlines |
| 16:41.31 | Noodle-sensei | i do |
| 16:41.40 | Grumbler | ~slap Noodle-sensei |
| 16:41.42 | ibot | ACTION slaps Noodle-sensei, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:41.54 | TheRedBaron | Grumbler: I see black helipcopters behind the media... but you didn't hear it from me. |
| 16:42.26 | Grumbler | you can see em?........dang all of mine are invisible |
| 16:45.35 | Noodle-sensei | i don't like south park all that much because it's just plain stupid |
| 16:45.36 | Chestal | I tried to watch Southpark, but found it boring, maybe it changed. I have no problem with vulgarity whenit makes sense, but the show seems to think that vulgarity by itself is funny. The German dubbing pobably hasn't helped, either |
| 16:45.41 | Noodle-sensei | and the animation is bad |
| 16:45.47 | Nidhoggr | Grumbler: the simpsons have never been ones to shy away from controversy. |
| 16:45.58 | Grumbler | http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050221SHA1EncryptionAlgorithmCracked.html |
| 16:46.16 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr< yeah, but it doesnt seem to me to be controversial |
| 16:46.28 | Grumbler | its been done. |
| 16:46.31 | Chestal | the peopel behind South Park just strike out mindlessly in all direction IMHO |
| 16:46.53 | Nidhoggr | Grumbler: I think it's just because it's become such a huge thing in the news lately, with the attempted ammendment and all. |
| 16:47.25 | TheRedBaron | Chestal, agreed, the just like controversy, for controversy sake, hence there mindlessness. |
| 16:47.28 | Noodle-sensei | the amendment to oregon's state constitution passed |
| 16:47.32 | Noodle-sensei | bastards |
| 16:47.39 | Grumbler | i dont dimish the topic, but when you have will and grace , is it really that big an issue |
| 16:47.44 | TheRedBaron | and that amendment is? |
| 16:48.37 | Noodle-sensei | TheRedBaron: that marriage is defined as a union between one man and one woman |
| 16:49.15 | Chestal | they are fighting a losing battle and simply don't know it yet |
| 16:49.23 | Noodle-sensei | i don't understand why the government should discriminate based on religiously dictated morals |
| 16:50.02 | Grumbler | Noodle-sensei< money |
| 16:50.03 | Chestal | they will pass |
| 16:50.12 | Chestal | might take some time in the US though :-( |
| 16:50.21 | Noodle-sensei | Chestal is lucky to live in a country without as many raving maniacal morons |
| 16:51.03 | Chestal | Noodle: no worries, we have those, too :-) |
| 16:51.08 | Noodle-sensei | TheRedBaron: the point is that the government shouldn't care which two people love each other or not |
| 16:51.16 | Chestal | their influence is not so strong,though |
| 16:51.18 | Grumbler | it would probably be less of an issue if the tax system didnt give breaks to married couples....... |
| 16:51.32 | Noodle-sensei | Grumbler: indeed |
| 16:52.05 | TheRedBaron | Noodle-sensei: your thinking that you can't legislate morality... right? |
| 16:52.23 | Noodle-sensei | TheRedBaron: i believe that with all my heart |
| 16:52.33 | Noodle-sensei | i'd be willing to debate tho :-) |
| 16:53.08 | TheRedBaron | Noodle-sensei: I'd rather not debate it.;) |
| 16:53.19 | Noodle-sensei | wussy :-P |
| 16:53.41 | TheRedBaron | the only problem noodle, is that you always legislate morality |
| 16:53.57 | TheRedBaron | it just depends on whose morality you want :) |
| 16:54.04 | Noodle-sensei | you're supposed to legislate absolute moral truths |
| 16:54.09 | Noodle-sensei | there are some of those |
| 16:54.19 | TheRedBaron | correct |
| 16:54.25 | TheRedBaron | 110% correct |
| 16:54.31 | TheRedBaron | but where do you find those moral truths? |
| 16:54.33 | Noodle-sensei | they all are based on the same premise tho: don't step on other people's rights |
| 16:55.13 | Noodle-sensei | that sentence will cover all absolute moral truths |
| 16:55.38 | TheRedBaron | aggreed. to a point :) |
| 16:56.37 | TheRedBaron | I find my absolute truth in the bible... |
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| 16:57.24 | Noodle-sensei | the bible says that humans have free choice tho, so you can't take the bible and use it for legislation |
| 16:57.27 | Grumbler | exactly, all children over the age of 4 should be taken from their parents and put in learn/work houses until they are 21....at which point they can leave/drink |
| 16:57.55 | TheRedBaron | Noodle-sensei: then what about the 10 commandments? |
| 16:58.14 | Grumbler | are you sure there were only 10 |
| 16:58.37 | Noodle-sensei | i wasn't aware we were debating the bible, but i'd be happy to expand it to that :-) |
| 16:58.46 | Grumbler | maybe 5 werent that popular so a small group of religious leaders got together and dropped from the written history |
| 16:59.16 | Noodle-sensei | hahaha |
| 16:59.37 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 16:59.43 | RedBaron2 | i'm staying out of this :P |
| 16:59.51 | Chestal | your big boss is visiting here tomorrow |
| 17:00.04 | TheRedBaron | but unfortunately, the only problem is we are debating morality. |
| 17:00.08 | Noodle-sensei | Chestal: can you pick him off for me? |
| 17:00.23 | Noodle-sensei | j/k |
| 17:00.44 | Chestal | strangely, he comes to the obscure city of Mainz, not to Berlin |
| 17:00.46 | TheRedBaron | and we have vast differing, opposing standards of morality :) |
| 17:00.46 | Grumbler | be careful Noodle-sensei ..........those helicopters are tracking this channel |
| 17:01.30 | Noodle-sensei | i'm sure they've already got me on some list as a thought criminal |
| 17:01.44 | TheRedBaron | careful, big brother is watching :) |
| 17:01.56 | Noodle-sensei | true dat |
| 17:01.58 | Noodle-sensei | :-) |
| 17:02.23 | Grumbler | ~lart Noodle-sensei |
| 17:02.28 | TheRedBaron | I'm suspect learner as a bounty hunter |
| 17:02.29 | Big_Brother | I'm watching you! |
| 17:02.41 | Chestal | Noodle: nothing that a little brain surgery can't fix ;-) |
| 17:02.48 | Noodle-sensei | ack! |
| 17:03.16 | purple_cow | hurray thoughtcrime! |
| 17:04.14 | TheRedBaron | learner??? --> http://www.aetv.com/dogthebountyhunter/ |
| 17:04.30 | Big_Brother | and the verdict is...GUILTY! |
| 17:04.32 | Big_Brother | ~shoot Noodle-sensei |
| 17:04.35 | ibot | ACTION shoots Noodle-sensei in the ear with a glue gun! |
| 17:04.40 | Noodle-sensei | ouch! |
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| 17:05.43 | TheRedBaron | its ok learner, they've got plastic surgery that will fix that... |
| 17:07.17 | TheRedBaron | Noodle-sensei: Don't worry about your ammendment, Florida's ammendment history is even worse |
| 17:08.12 | TheRedBaron | As a rule in legislature, if you want you idea to pass, mark it as a constitutional amendment, and let the people vote on it |
| 17:08.24 | Grumbler | tought crime.....well i am screwed |
| 17:08.34 | Noodle-sensei | TheRedBaron: that's insane |
| 17:08.57 | TheRedBaron | We have an amendment that legislates how pregnant pigs must be treated humanely... |
| 17:09.07 | Noodle-sensei | holy crap |
| 17:09.17 | orchid | Chestal: did you get #4? |
| 17:09.27 | TheRedBaron | yea... |
| 17:09.27 | menotume | but, you can beat a non-pregnant once senseless ? |
| 17:09.45 | Chestal | orchid: learner told me |
| 17:09.49 | orchid | :) |
| 17:10.29 | Chestal | so I am complete for this week |
| 17:10.42 | Grumbler | Chestal< its the simple things, right? |
| 17:10.51 | orchid | hm, I need to watch more movies |
| 17:12.03 | Chestal | I'm off to hunt for food, cu! |
| 17:12.05 | Grumbler | watcha getting |
| 17:12.15 | Grumbler | sure, just leave us wondering |
| 17:12.27 | Chestal | Grumbler: nothing very exciting, just filling up again |
| 17:12.50 | Grumbler | how much do you go through |
| 17:14.09 | orchid | lets just say hes and avid tea drinker |
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| 17:14.44 | Grumbler | whats avid, one, two cups....three....twelve......is it variety, |
| 17:14.52 | Grumbler | yeah, i am bored |
| 17:16.19 | Grumbler | you havent had the right teas |
| 17:16.35 | Grumbler | but i can relate to espresso addiction |
| 17:16.57 | menotume | orchid: enjoy :) |
| 17:17.11 | TheRedBaron | orchid: not a long walk off a short pier i hope.... |
| 17:17.37 | orchid | ~smite TheRedBaron |
| 17:17.41 | Grumbler | sure orchid leaves and the whole world cares....poor chestal goes to get a meal and nothing but larts |
| 17:17.51 | menotume | hmmm, a walk in below freezing weather |
| 17:18.06 | TheRedBaron | hmm, the ice would hold up then... |
| 17:18.09 | menotume | lol, Grumbler |
| 17:18.15 | Grumbler | menotume< thats the best time to go, you dont feel the pain after awhile |
| 17:18.18 | orchid | walk to the store, and its +1 |
| 17:18.26 | orchid | and the stores downstairs |
| 17:18.32 | menotume | yes, good for waking up, I suppose |
| 17:18.48 | menotume | ahhh, long walk - don't strain yourself |
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| 17:19.05 | SpineSplitter | hi |
| 17:19.10 | SpineSplitter | i have a problem |
| 17:19.12 | TheRedBaron | ho! |
| 17:19.15 | Grumbler | well hello SpineSplitter , state it |
| 17:19.22 | menotume | have you seen a chiropractor ? |
| 17:19.23 | SpineSplitter | sorry for my bad english |
| 17:19.25 | TheRedBaron | and don't listen to grumbler... |
| 17:19.29 | SpineSplitter | i come from germany ;) |
| 17:19.49 | Grumbler | we have a couple people who can probably translate if necessary |
| 17:19.51 | menotume | that's not a problem |
| 17:19.56 | TheRedBaron | I won't make remarks about your english, if you don't make fun of my german. |
| 17:19.56 | SpineSplitter | i installed azflag |
| 17:20.18 | SpineSplitter | an now we (3people) want to play it |
| 17:20.44 | SpineSplitter | but if the third person go on connect then he is in the observe mode |
| 17:20.46 | SpineSplitter | why? |
| 17:20.55 | blast007 | server is full for that team |
| 17:21.05 | menotume | you are running a server on a LAN ? |
| 17:21.12 | SpineSplitter | but i set it for 3 player |
| 17:21.22 | menotume | how did you set it ? |
| 17:21.31 | menotume | -mp option ? |
| 17:21.32 | SpineSplitter | and we make 3 opposit colours |
| 17:21.53 | SpineSplitter | in the options: start server |
| 17:22.42 | SpineSplitter | what's mp? multiplayer otions? |
| 17:22.48 | SpineSplitter | options |
| 17:22.59 | blast007 | -mp controls how many players can be on each team |
| 17:23.08 | menotume | ahh, never mind, that's for a more complex setup |
| 17:23.10 | blast007 | it's for when you start the game from a command prompt |
| 17:23.10 | Grumbler | windows,linux,or macOs |
| 17:23.30 | SpineSplitter | i use windows |
| 17:23.43 | SpineSplitter | whats |
| 17:23.49 | SpineSplitter | command promt? |
| 17:23.54 | menotume | which game mode? free-for-all ? |
| 17:24.00 | SpineSplitter | yes |
| 17:24.10 | menotume | try setting max players to 10 |
| 17:24.25 | SpineSplitter | i test it |
| 17:26.16 | SpineSplitter | i set 20players because i don't can set in on 10 |
| 17:26.28 | menotume | ok |
| 17:26.30 | SpineSplitter | but the third person is only observe |
| 17:26.52 | SpineSplitter | anything is wrong |
| 17:26.56 | menotume | hmm, i guess i don't know how the 'start server' works in-game |
| 17:27.04 | menotume | any else ? |
| 17:27.12 | SpineSplitter | moment i say you all my settings |
| 17:27.38 | TheRedBaron | menotume, could it be the 3rd person is joining as observer, not the server kicking him to that position. |
| 17:27.38 | SpineSplitter | style=free for all |
| 17:27.53 | menotume | hmmm |
| 17:28.09 | blast007 | hmm, does it close the old server if you doing "Start Server" again? |
| 17:28.16 | blast007 | you do* |
| 17:28.18 | SpineSplitter | no the server is kicking him to that position |
| 17:28.21 | menotume | blast007: good question |
| 17:28.33 | SpineSplitter | no it don't close |
| 17:28.39 | TheRedBaron | SpineSplitter: what version of windows? |
| 17:28.47 | SpineSplitter | xp |
| 17:29.25 | TheRedBaron | Blast007: it closes the server if you close bzflag, but not if "start server again" |
| 17:29.31 | blast007 | k |
| 17:29.47 | TheRedBaron | it could have changed with 2.0, but last lan server i set up was with 1.10 |
| 17:29.55 | menotume | SpineSplitter: exit the bzflg program at the server |
| 17:30.03 | menotume | then try it again woth 20 players |
| 17:30.12 | blast007 | yeah, and I never use the Start Server thing :) |
| 17:30.14 | SpineSplitter | ok |
| 17:30.19 | menotume | nme either |
| 17:31.40 | SpineSplitter | :-) it's again |
| 17:31.44 | SpineSplitter | fuck |
| 17:31.55 | JeffM2501 | please watch your language |
| 17:31.56 | SpineSplitter | i sit in my firm |
| 17:32.04 | SpineSplitter | sorry |
| 17:32.13 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 17:32.14 | SpineSplitter | and i use my pc for server |
| 17:32.28 | SpineSplitter | i give in my ip adress |
| 17:32.34 | uidzero | <3 FreeBSD. :) |
| 17:32.40 | SpineSplitter | is that correct? |
| 17:32.45 | TheRedBaron | what is the 3rd person joining as? |
| 17:33.00 | TheRedBaron | as observer, automatic, rouge, or some other option? |
| 17:33.23 | SpineSplitter | in a other colour than the others have |
| 17:33.33 | SpineSplitter | 1. red |
| 17:33.35 | SpineSplitter | 2.blue |
| 17:33.38 | SpineSplitter | 3.green |
| 17:34.06 | TheRedBaron | try setting it to "automatic" |
| 17:34.23 | SpineSplitter | ok :-) |
| 17:34.28 | SpineSplitter | i hate it ;-) |
| 17:35.18 | SpineSplitter | no |
| 17:35.21 | SpineSplitter | :-( |
| 17:35.27 | TheRedBaron | still joining as observer? |
| 17:35.39 | SpineSplitter | yes |
| 17:36.01 | TheRedBaron | hmmm |
| 17:36.49 | TheRedBaron | I'm assuming you are using 2.0, and not 1.10... |
| 17:37.14 | SpineSplitter | but 2.0 don't run |
| 17:37.40 | SpineSplitter | if i want to start server it say: Failed....unknown error |
| 17:38.15 | TheRedBaron | what type of internect connection do you have? |
| 17:39.43 | SpineSplitter | internet explorer - dsl |
| 17:40.05 | TheRedBaron | help me out here guys, I'm worthless when it comes to proper customer service... |
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| 17:40.21 | menotume | I dunno what is going on |
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| 17:40.38 | menotume | i mean, how bzfs is being launched when starting server in-game |
| 17:40.43 | TheRedBaron | well what it sounds like is he is using the "start server" at the bottom of the menu... |
| 17:41.09 | TheRedBaron | and his 2 friends connect to the lan game by using his ip address |
| 17:41.19 | menotume | are we sure that the first server isn't still running ? |
| 17:41.26 | TheRedBaron | the only problem is... how do they know the port? |
| 17:41.40 | uidzero | TheRedBaron: Default? |
| 17:41.42 | menotume | well, they're getting that much it would seem |
| 17:41.48 | TheRedBaron | menotume: if he closed bzflag down, and started it up again, it should shut down that ingame server |
| 17:41.56 | menotume | 'should' |
| 17:42.12 | TheRedBaron | when i ran a lan server, i had no internet connection, so we could go to "find server" and find the lan game. |
| 17:42.19 | menotume | wanna giude him through the c-a-del process list ? |
| 17:42.29 | TheRedBaron | menotume: i'm about to |
| 17:42.33 | menotume | k |
| 17:42.48 | TheRedBaron | uidzero: what is the default? 5156? |
| 17:42.49 | menotume | exit bz first |
| 17:42.54 | uidzero | 5154 |
| 17:42.59 | menotume | then see if it's running |
| 17:43.05 | SpineSplitter | port 5154 |
| 17:43.28 | TheRedBaron | uidzero: i'm not sure if bzflag automatically puts that in, on a clean install, |
| 17:43.41 | uidzero | I'm sure it is... on FreeBSD is was. :) |
| 17:43.41 | TheRedBaron | spinesplitter, close down bzflag... |
| 17:43.45 | SpineSplitter | i used the default port |
| 17:44.00 | SpineSplitter | and now? |
| 17:44.09 | TheRedBaron | menotume: it almost sounds like he's using bzfs, because the start menu doesn't have a place for port |
| 17:44.21 | menotume | nahhh |
| 17:44.30 | menotume | he's just using the deafult at the clients |
| 17:44.40 | TheRedBaron | SpineSplitter: I'm assuming you know the alt-ctrl-delete sequence right? |
| 17:45.40 | SpineSplitter | yes |
| 17:45.52 | SpineSplitter | the task list? |
| 17:45.55 | TheRedBaron | SpineSplitter, ok, bring up your task manager then. |
| 17:45.58 | TheRedBaron | yes |
| 17:46.24 | SpineSplitter | their stands bzfs |
| 17:46.37 | SpineSplitter | but i close the program! |
| 17:46.38 | TheRedBaron | 2nd tab, labeled processes |
| 17:46.50 | TheRedBaron | ok you found it, shut it down |
| 17:47.08 | SpineSplitter | ok |
| 17:47.46 | TheRedBaron | good, did you find "bzfs" under the "applications" tab, or "Processes" tab? |
| 17:48.05 | SpineSplitter | processes |
| 17:48.46 | TheRedBaron | ok good then, you got it clean |
| 17:48.56 | SpineSplitter | and now´? |
| 17:49.04 | SpineSplitter | should i test it again? |
| 17:49.10 | TheRedBaron | start you server again, the same way you did before, just set it to 5-10 players instead. |
| 17:49.20 | TheRedBaron | any number larger than 3 |
| 17:49.35 | SpineSplitter | with the 2.0 version!? |
| 17:50.01 | TheRedBaron | what version where you using before? |
| 17:50.14 | TheRedBaron | just use the same version you had before. |
| 17:50.17 | SpineSplitter | 1.0..... |
| 17:51.20 | TheRedBaron | ok use that one |
| 17:52.10 | SpineSplitter | it's running!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-))) |
| 17:52.18 | SpineSplitter | thank's!!! |
| 17:53.02 | SpineSplitter | sorry i must go home |
| 17:53.04 | TheRedBaron | and it works? |
| 17:53.10 | SpineSplitter | yes! |
| 17:53.12 | TheRedBaron | 3rd guy doesn't come in as observer? |
| 17:53.16 | SpineSplitter | its ok |
| 17:53.29 | SpineSplitter | no he's a normal player |
| 17:54.02 | TheRedBaron | good! |
| 17:54.40 | menotume | yay |
| 17:54.44 | SpineSplitter | why it stands in the processes tab? i don't understand |
| 17:55.11 | TheRedBaron | SpineSplitter: i don't really understand it either... its just one of those things i accept. |
| 17:55.21 | menotume | so you don't have to keep running the client if you want a server, i guess |
| 17:55.36 | Grumbler | ~menotume++ |
| 17:57.07 | SpineSplitter | sorry i must go very fast |
| 17:57.11 | Grumbler | ...most people dont even notice the pre-made server shortcuts in the windows start menu |
| 17:57.12 | SpineSplitter | but i will come again |
| 17:57.20 | SpineSplitter | thanks again for your help |
| 17:57.26 | TheRedBaron | no problem spinesplitter, see you around |
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| 17:57.29 | SpineSplitter | bye |
| 17:57.33 | TheRedBaron | Glad to help |
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| 17:59.01 | TheRedBaron | Grumbler: pre-made server shortcuts? |
| 17:59.22 | menotume | yes, 4 of them |
| 17:59.33 | Grumbler | see, you didnt even know |
| 17:59.55 | JeffM2501 | nobody ever looks at the start menu |
| 17:59.56 | TheRedBaron | well, I've not ever really run a server... |
| 17:59.58 | menotume | ~Grumbler++ |
| 17:59.59 | menotume | :) |
| 18:00.03 | JeffM2501 | should never have made that quicklauch button |
| 18:00.20 | TheRedBaron | Oh i see what you mean... |
| 18:00.27 | TheRedBaron | I was thinking of something else, duh... |
| 18:00.49 | menotume | yes, one can just copy one of those shortcuts, and modify the command-line options to customize |
| 18:01.37 | TheRedBaron | personally, i think it would be nice if under the ingame start server option, expand that, and output it has a .txt or .doc or whatever one needs to run a public server. |
| 18:02.21 | JeffM2501 | as soon as someone makes an all emcompasing doc in standalone HTML it could be put into the local docs |
| 18:02.23 | Grumbler | there is the html->conf in the same window start menu |
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| 18:03.14 | menotume | the shortcuts are good. i would assume it launches a DOS-window ? |
| 18:03.20 | Grumbler | that whole start server thing is so late-90s .... ;) |
| 18:03.21 | JeffM2501 | a what? |
| 18:03.25 | menotume | makes it obvious, and easy to kill |
| 18:03.40 | JeffM2501 | your running 9x? |
| 18:03.48 | menotume | XP |
| 18:03.56 | JeffM2501 | then you have no dos |
| 18:04.09 | menotume | I have DOS-like windows |
| 18:04.14 | JeffM2501 | you have a terminal |
| 18:04.30 | JeffM2501 | the bzfs uses stdout, so that dumps it to a terminal |
| 18:04.39 | TheRedBaron | i just have a blank DOS like window |
| 18:04.47 | JeffM2501 | that would be your terminal |
| 18:04.56 | TheRedBaron | can't type anything in it... |
| 18:05.00 | TheRedBaron | is that normal? :) |
| 18:05.09 | menotume | no, but you can close and/or control-C it |
| 18:05.09 | JeffM2501 | why would you be able to type in it |
| 18:05.16 | JeffM2501 | bzfs dosn't take any text input |
| 18:05.35 | TheRedBaron | I'm ignorant when it comes to running a server... :-) |
| 18:05.46 | JeffM2501 | throw in some -d -d -d and you'll get loging output |
| 18:05.47 | Grumbler | ignorance is bliss |
| 18:05.49 | JeffM2501 | to that window |
| 18:06.00 | JeffM2501 | that window is just waiting for any output bzfs may generate |
| 18:06.14 | JeffM2501 | yet in it's default state bzfs is rather slient |
| 18:06.56 | Grumbler | welcome to the real world.....reality sucks |
| 18:07.17 | TheRedBaron | Yea, tell me about it :) |
| 18:07.38 | Big_Brother | I'll tell you about it... :) |
| 18:07.42 | TheRedBaron | why else would i be enamored with a little game were tanks can jump and dodge :) |
| 18:07.58 | JeffM2501 | cus quake is too fast for you |
| 18:08.10 | TheRedBaron | true dat! |
| 18:08.13 | creeperz | is there an in-game map editor? |
| 18:08.16 | Grumbler | quake gives me the jitters |
| 18:08.19 | JeffM2501 | no there is not |
| 18:08.26 | creeperz | hm |
| 18:08.28 | creeperz | dang |
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| 18:08.30 | JeffM2501 | never has been |
| 18:08.39 | JeffM2501 | same editors still exist |
| 18:08.49 | creeperz | alright |
| 18:09.20 | TheRedBaron | so, if i wanted to connect to this server thingie... hmmm |
| 18:09.29 | TheRedBaron | bad things happen when i start wondering.. |
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| 18:09.44 | creeperz | has there been any thought of implementing an in-game map editor? |
| 18:09.47 | creeperz | similar to Cube? |
| 18:10.09 | creeperz | or otherwise |
| 18:12.12 | TheRedBaron | ok, you guys have got me curious... I used the start menu server thingy... |
| 18:12.19 | Grumbler | creeperz< patches are welcome |
| 18:12.24 | cods | :) |
| 18:12.25 | TheRedBaron | now how would i connect to it from my own computer? or can I? |
| 18:12.45 | JeffM2501 | bzflag will show you a server that is named the same as your PC's windows name |
| 18:12.51 | Grumbler | TheRedBaron< use localhost in the server name, and use 5154 as the port |
| 18:12.55 | JeffM2501 | or you can put in 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:13.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah or localhost |
| 18:13.13 | TheRedBaron | aha i'm gonna try |
| 18:14.07 | TheRedBaron | hmm error connecting to server.. |
| 18:14.16 | creeperz | ... |
| 18:15.20 | TheRedBaron | could be my work setup, I'll try it at home... |
| 18:16.02 | TheRedBaron | or does this come with that disclaimer... "don't try this at home kids..." |
| 18:18.05 | TheRedBaron | anywho, I've got to run... cya guys later. |
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| 18:22.39 | Grumbler | wow, firing water cannons during freezing water....that has to very chilly |
| 18:29.36 | Grumbler | hmm, guess that should have been weather. |
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| 18:30.46 | occy | any hopes of a 2D bzflag interface anytime soon? |
| 18:31.03 | occy | My desktop died and I can't afford a new machine and I just got this old laptop. :( I want to play radar only. |
| 18:31.10 | occy | :( |
| 18:31.31 | occy | Don't need sound, just need radar and chat :) |
| 18:31.44 | cods | all bzflag is 2D.. unless you've a very special monitor :) |
| 18:31.55 | occy | cods: grrr, get technical. |
| 18:32.09 | JeffM2501 | code one up |
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| 18:33.32 | jpa_ | hi tankitty |
| 18:33.33 | JeffM2501 | or just turn off all the features and go flatshaded |
| 18:33.33 | tankitty | hi |
| 18:33.46 | occy | JeffM2501: heh, eye are not smart. |
| 18:34.12 | occy | JeffM2501: on my vid card even at lowest settings it's slow. |
| 18:34.16 | JeffM2501 | well your prety much the only one wanting a 2d view of a 3d game, so I don't see anyone rushing out to buid you one :) |
| 18:34.19 | JeffM2501 | what card is it? |
| 18:34.36 | occy | october@distance:~ > lspci |grep ATI |
| 18:34.36 | occy | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) |
| 18:34.55 | occy | JeffM2501: nod.. I understand re: only one wanting it. |
| 18:35.03 | Grumbler | has that dell inspiron feel |
| 18:35.06 | jpa_ | actually, i made a radar-only mod of bzflag |
| 18:35.09 | occy | Grumbler: yup. |
| 18:35.11 | jpa_ | it was 1.10 though |
| 18:35.13 | JeffM2501 | oh it's a mobility, it shoudl run ok |
| 18:35.25 | JeffM2501 | with depth buffer on, 640, and all the rest off, no textures |
| 18:35.31 | JeffM2501 | that shoudl get you 15-20 fps |
| 18:35.37 | JeffM2501 | if your CPU is fast engouh |
| 18:35.42 | occy | pIII 500 |
| 18:35.44 | occy | :/ |
| 18:35.52 | JeffM2501 | that should be ok |
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| 18:36.03 | jpa_ | ha, radar-only worked fine on k6-2 500 |
| 18:36.14 | occy | jpa_: man.. that would be sweet. |
| 18:36.23 | jpa_ | while, i think i did not get all opengl-stuff off |
| 18:36.25 | Grumbler | with 2.0, my dell inspiron is a little jerky |
| 18:36.34 | cods | why not a text version too ? "move 10", "rotate 45", "shoot", "shoot", "heh shoot". Should be fine in 386. |
| 18:36.45 | Grumbler | heh |
| 18:36.46 | occy | cods: :P~ |
| 18:36.49 | jpa_ | cods: sounds like logo :D |
| 18:36.58 | occy | I play by radar 99% of the time. |
| 18:36.58 | JeffM2501 | spliting out the gamestate from openGL would be not a fun task |
| 18:37.04 | jpa_ | ascii-art radar-only version :) |
| 18:37.07 | JeffM2501 | and you'd have to reod the entire menu system |
| 18:37.12 | cods | jpa_: but a turtle can't shoot :) |
| 18:37.12 | occy | even when I was on my 2.4G PIV |
| 18:37.24 | JeffM2501 | since you'd not want to use GL, you'd want some kind of bitmaped 2d sprite thing |
| 18:37.29 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: true, just reducing opengl rendering window is ok |
| 18:37.32 | occy | on ducati, you can take most people out with just radar. |
| 18:37.37 | occy | or I could ;) |
| 18:37.51 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: so it renders like 32x24 px and radar is 600x600 :) |
| 18:37.58 | occy | JeffM2501: Ubuntu > * |
| 18:38.06 | tankitty | occy: go black/white mode |
| 18:38.14 | JeffM2501 | jpa_: his problem is that he's slow on ALL vector graphics |
| 18:38.18 | JeffM2501 | so the radar will be slow |
| 18:38.19 | occy | tankitty: hmmm, I'll check that. |
| 18:38.25 | JeffM2501 | the radar is actualy rather slow now with meshes |
| 18:38.36 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: true |
| 18:38.43 | JeffM2501 | 2d GL is about as computationaly intensive as 3d GL, its just a diferent transormation |
| 18:38.49 | JeffM2501 | he'd need something that just blited sprites |
| 18:39.37 | JeffM2501 | I had a mobility on a Celly 333 and I could play |
| 18:39.40 | JeffM2501 | at 15fps |
| 18:40.08 | JeffM2501 | now to gentoo, or to debian |
| 18:40.36 | jpa_ | i had stealth 64 on athlon xp 2200 and could play at 30fps |
| 18:40.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah that was all CPU |
| 18:41.00 | jpa_ | yup |
| 18:41.12 | JeffM2501 | the mobility will do some fillrate stuff |
| 18:41.12 | jpa_ | couldn't get voodoo 2 accerelation to work |
| 18:41.15 | JeffM2501 | so it would help |
| 18:41.29 | jpa_ | that would have given atleast 50fps with full settings ,) |
| 18:41.32 | JeffM2501 | that would make sense voodoo2 only did a subset of the GL library |
| 18:41.32 | *** join/#bzflag sgk284 (~sgk284@ws81.cs.drexel.edu) |
| 18:41.43 | sgk284 | hello |
| 18:42.16 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 18:42.38 | jpa_ | hello sgk284 |
| 18:43.05 | sgk284 | hey jpastealsthesameformatassgkforhisname_ |
| 18:43.18 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: yes, you told it and made me depressed enough to buy tnt2 |
| 18:44.01 | jpa_ | sgk284: that would make me jpa240 |
| 18:44.03 | JeffM2501 | even that's a not fast card |
| 18:44.09 | occy | how do I get black and white? |
| 18:44.16 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: i know, but it was cheap |
| 18:44.30 | jpa_ | occy: tune your xfree settings |
| 18:44.32 | JeffM2501 | how much did you pay for a TnT2? |
| 18:44.39 | occy | jpa_: heh |
| 18:44.42 | jpa_ | occy: while it won't make it much faster |
| 18:44.55 | JeffM2501 | ewww 8xx chipset |
| 18:44.59 | JeffM2501 | that's not even a real video card |
| 18:45.01 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: something like 10 EUR with postage |
| 18:45.13 | JeffM2501 | that's called slowing down your system chipset |
| 18:45.23 | JeffM2501 | jpa_: GF2MXs are like 35$ |
| 18:46.02 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: but, 10 EUR < 30 EUR.. so, all that i care about is that i can play bzflag |
| 18:46.09 | jpa_ | and tnt2 is enough for that |
| 18:46.25 | JeffM2501 | barely |
| 18:46.34 | JeffM2501 | a GPU realy helps with the new mesh models |
| 18:46.56 | occy | yeah, no love there. |
| 18:46.58 | occy | *sigh* |
| 18:47.04 | occy | oh well... |
| 18:47.26 | occy | If the discussion ever comes up about a full screen radar, I know I would really like it. |
| 18:47.46 | occy | Or even just the ability to turn off 3D rendering of objects if possible. |
| 18:48.18 | JeffM2501 | that won't speed you up |
| 18:48.20 | JeffM2501 | it's still GL |
| 18:48.25 | occy | oh |
| 18:48.31 | occy | the GL would have to be stripped away? |
| 18:48.55 | JeffM2501 | it takes the same math to make a 3d object show in the view, or in the radar |
| 18:49.00 | jpa_ | occy: just mod the sources, the full opacity for the controlpanel resizes the 3d rendering window, just make the controlpanel large and you have barely any 3d |
| 18:49.02 | JeffM2501 | it's just a difernt angle and perspective transform |
| 18:49.17 | JeffM2501 | so your just trading one filled set of polygons for another |
| 18:49.18 | occy | jpa_: While I've used Linux since 96, I know nothing about coding. |
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| 18:49.55 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: oh.. does bzflag render radar so evilly? |
| 18:50.05 | JeffM2501 | it's just GL |
| 18:50.12 | JeffM2501 | all bzflag has is objects |
| 18:50.15 | jpa_ | ok, then it won't speed up much |
| 18:50.16 | JeffM2501 | in 3space |
| 18:50.18 | occy | ahh |
| 18:50.21 | occy | crazy |
| 18:50.28 | JeffM2501 | it IS a 3d game |
| 18:50.33 | occy | JeffM2501: ;) |
| 18:50.36 | occy | JeffM2501: nod nod |
| 18:50.37 | JeffM2501 | 5200's arnt bad at all |
| 18:50.48 | occy | JeffM2501: hey, thanks bunches. |
| 18:50.53 | jpa_ | tankitty: i can take it if you do not want it |
| 18:50.56 | tankitty | and no ventilators :) |
| 18:51.07 | occy | take care guys. Enjoy your super cool computers while I'm in suck-land. :( |
| 18:51.09 | occy | hehe |
| 18:51.13 | occy | ttfn |
| 18:51.13 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to convert it to like clanlib or some 2d thing to get a render speedup |
| 18:51.22 | *** part/#bzflag occy (~october@ip24-252-197-99.mc.at.cox.net) |
| 18:52.29 | jpa_ | and night coming up again.. so i will be doing this next night too |
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| 19:07.14 | lala_bzflag | hey dudes, i need help |
| 19:07.28 | lala_bzflag | i have a prob with the new version 2 |
| 19:07.55 | lala_bzflag | can anyone help me? os windows 2000 |
| 19:08.03 | JeffM2501 | what problem are you having? |
| 19:09.27 | cods | ~ask |
| 19:09.28 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 19:09.29 | lala_bzflag | bz crashed and i got the window Microsoft Visual c++ Runtime Library;Runtime error;R6025 pure virtual function call |
| 19:10.16 | blast007 | does it do that right away when you start the game? |
| 19:10.48 | lala_bzflag | i tried it to connect to GU, was 2 seconds on the server and than crashed bz |
| 19:10.55 | jpa_ | try to remove My bzflag files folder |
| 19:10.59 | jpa_ | it is under my documents |
| 19:11.17 | jpa_ | or does it happen everytime? |
| 19:11.21 | jpa_ | or at random? |
| 19:11.26 | lala_bzflag | i didnt have the prob with the old versions but with the new 2 |
| 19:11.52 | JeffM2501 | when does it crash? |
| 19:12.15 | JeffM2501 | on launch? |
| 19:12.16 | blast007 | about 2 seconds after he connected to a server |
| 19:12.25 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 19:12.39 | JeffM2501 | current video drivers and windows update stuff? |
| 19:12.48 | lala_bzflag | i have the new directx 9c i have no idae whats the prob |
| 19:13.01 | JeffM2501 | what video card? |
| 19:13.02 | Grumbler | man, cods has caught on to the ~ask feature :) |
| 19:13.31 | lala_bzflag | ati rage 128 pro or so, i mean its a 32 mb card LOL ;) |
| 19:13.51 | JeffM2501 | current drivers? |
| 19:14.31 | lala_bzflag | what means current!?! |
| 19:14.36 | JeffM2501 | the latest |
| 19:14.39 | JeffM2501 | from now |
| 19:14.39 | lala_bzflag | neasier word plz :) |
| 19:14.48 | JeffM2501 | the most new |
| 19:14.48 | lala_bzflag | ya |
| 19:14.54 | JeffM2501 | dono then |
| 19:15.00 | lala_bzflag | yes |
| 19:15.32 | JeffM2501 | you could try 2.0.1 |
| 19:15.33 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 19:15.35 | lala_bzflag | :( |
| 19:16.32 | lala_bzflag | i try it, hipe it runs |
| 19:16.36 | lala_bzflag | *hope |
| 19:16.54 | lala_bzflag | there was no one with the same prob here? :( |
| 19:17.01 | JeffM2501 | not that I'm aware of |
| 19:17.04 | JeffM2501 | not many on 2k tho |
| 19:17.08 | JeffM2501 | most are XP |
| 19:17.12 | JeffM2501 | but know some are |
| 19:17.17 | JeffM2501 | you could also try blowing out your config |
| 19:17.35 | JeffM2501 | just throw away your "my bzflag files" dir that is your my documents folder. |
| 19:17.48 | RedBaron2 | I had the same problem... |
| 19:18.00 | RedBaron2 | i use 2k |
| 19:18.07 | RedBaron2 | but i can't remember what i did to fix it :) |
| 19:18.09 | JeffM2501 | how did you fix it? |
| 19:18.19 | RedBaron2 | so i just stayed quiet :) |
| 19:18.22 | RedBaron2 | until now :P |
| 19:18.27 | JeffM2501 | driver problems? |
| 19:18.37 | lala_bzflag | so do u think that remove my bzflag folder would be helpfull!?! |
| 19:18.46 | lala_bzflag | nrbs tell it u noob :) |
| 19:18.50 | JeffM2501 | no way to know |
| 19:18.54 | RedBaron2 | JeffM2501: you nailed it! |
| 19:18.57 | lala_bzflag | ops rb2 ;P |
| 19:19.39 | RedBaron2 | I had installed a new driver, and all my other games didn't run... So i uninstaled the video, and grabbed a win update driver... |
| 19:19.45 | creeperz | ok, time for a poll |
| 19:19.51 | creeperz | what do you people prefer |
| 19:19.56 | creeperz | ATI or Nvidia? |
| 19:20.09 | lala_bzflag | ati |
| 19:20.12 | JeffM2501 | nvidia |
| 19:20.13 | blast007 | nVidia |
| 19:20.14 | Noodle-sensei | nvidia |
| 19:20.15 | JeffM2501 | drivers suck a lot less |
| 19:20.15 | lala_bzflag | rage 128 pro |
| 19:20.26 | JeffM2501 | lala_bzflag: that is an old crap card :) |
| 19:20.39 | lala_bzflag | i know LOL like my pc ;) |
| 19:20.47 | creeperz | ok |
| 19:20.53 | RedBaron2 | funny thing is, it was an Nvidia card and driver i got from nvidia.com... |
| 19:21.10 | RedBaron2 | first driver i found that it didn't like... |
| 19:21.31 | JeffM2501 | how can you not like a driver that just installs and works? |
| 19:21.54 | JeffM2501 | as oposed to a driver set that is broken into 3 parts, and dosn't support all OSs on all chipsets? |
| 19:21.59 | blast007 | RedBaron2: yeah, I recall some I know having spontaneous reboots with one of the nVidia drivers, but I haven't ever had that happen |
| 19:22.45 | JeffM2501 | hardware wise ATI makes some decent stuff |
| 19:22.57 | creeperz | ah |
| 19:23.06 | JeffM2501 | the drivers just are generaly still catching up |
| 19:23.06 | RedBaron2 | blast007, now that i think about it, it belive it was because when i downloaded it, I selected, the "open" option, instead of "save to disk" |
| 19:23.15 | blast007 | RedBaron2: odd |
| 19:23.19 | creeperz | ok, so nvidia leads in drivers, but ati has the decent hardware |
| 19:23.24 | blast007 | wouldn't think that should make a difference |
| 19:23.45 | JeffM2501 | nvidia has decent hardware too |
| 19:23.50 | creeperz | yeah |
| 19:23.53 | Noodle-sensei | nvidia's hardware kicks hiney too |
| 19:24.01 | RedBaron2 | blast007: same here, but i've found, (could be all in my head) that it made a difference when i downloaded mIRC |
| 19:24.02 | creeperz | what has better top-end? |
| 19:24.10 | JeffM2501 | they are both comparable |
| 19:24.10 | creeperz | radeon or geforce? |
| 19:24.14 | Noodle-sensei | ati just has a slight edge, if i'm not mistaken |
| 19:24.22 | JeffM2501 | in fill rate yes |
| 19:24.23 | Noodle-sensei | but you'd never notice it |
| 19:24.27 | blast007 | hmm, my boss's ATI 9700 had wacky light reflections in 3DMark 2005...my GeForce FX 5200 didn't |
| 19:24.28 | creeperz | true |
| 19:24.31 | JeffM2501 | the GF shaders kick the ATI ones butt |
| 19:24.41 | JeffM2501 | the 9700 is a bastard card |
| 19:24.46 | creeperz | mm hmm |
| 19:24.52 | creeperz | 9800 is mucho better |
| 19:24.53 | JeffM2501 | blast007: and again, thats drivers |
| 19:25.03 | lala_bzflag | so i tried to install the new 2.0.1b, and after i wont to start the bzflag i got the window no fonts found(the directory option may help).Exting :( |
| 19:25.07 | blast007 | yup, it's in his 64-bit laptop ;) |
| 19:25.22 | JeffM2501 | lala_bzflag: throw away your config |
| 19:25.25 | JeffM2501 | you got wacky data |
| 19:25.53 | lala_bzflag | ok ok ok :) |
| 19:26.00 | creeperz | so, overall, you all prefer NVidia over ATI? |
| 19:26.08 | creeperz | cept for the loser with the rage card |
| 19:26.10 | creeperz | :-) |
| 19:26.13 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:26.16 | Noodle-sensei | i prefer nvidia because it pwns j00 |
| 19:26.19 | lala_bzflag | ;P |
| 19:26.26 | JeffM2501 | old hardware can't be compared |
| 19:26.33 | creeperz | yeah |
| 19:26.37 | creeperz | i was just making a joke |
| 19:26.46 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you going to run creeperz ? |
| 19:26.53 | creeperz | windows |
| 19:26.54 | RedBaron2 | ~whaleslap creeperz for his bad puns |
| 19:26.56 | ibot | ACTION slaps creeperz for his bad puns upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:27.02 | creeperz | lol |
| 19:27.06 | blast007 | well, you can compare old cards with software rendering ;) |
| 19:27.27 | JeffM2501 | at that point it's just CPU |
| 19:28.25 | creeperz | in which, its going to suck anyhow :-) |
| 19:28.26 | blast007 | but if you have an old card, you most likely have an old processor too |
| 19:28.35 | creeperz | precisely |
| 19:28.44 | blast007 | in this thing, it actually runs bzflag better in software |
| 19:29.26 | *** join/#bzflag rb2 (~d8ada652@rw08.de) |
| 19:29.50 | rb2 | bah.. I just kicked my network cable loose... |
| 19:30.40 | blast007 | heh, I've done that before ;) |
| 19:31.26 | Brad2901 | . |
| 19:31.31 | Noodle-sensei | . |
| 19:31.35 | Brad2901 | oops |
| 19:31.41 | blast007 | I haven't been there in a while either...gonna have like 500 posts to sift through |
| 19:31.51 | creeperz | rb2: dont feel bad. my friend billy spilled BBQ sauce on his mobo and it still worked... kinda |
| 19:32.39 | rb2 | creeperz: kinda?!?!? oh boy :) |
| 19:32.48 | creeperz | it would turn on |
| 19:32.52 | creeperz | but not for very long |
| 19:33.03 | creeperz | it would shut down after about 30 min for some weird reason :-/ |
| 19:33.15 | rb2 | hmm allergic to BBQ sauce? |
| 19:33.21 | creeperz | finally fried the cpu a month later |
| 19:33.42 | creeperz | im sure a mobo is alergic to any liquid :-) |
| 19:33.45 | creeperz | well |
| 19:33.56 | creeperz | conductive and corrosive liquids |
| 19:34.18 | Noodle-sensei | water is fun |
| 19:34.20 | JeffM2501 | why didn't he just wash it off? |
| 19:34.27 | Noodle-sensei | it can be both :--) |
| 19:34.34 | creeperz | JeffM2501: he did |
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| 19:34.47 | creeperz | but it still wouldnt run for longer than 30-40 min |
| 19:34.49 | JeffM2501 | did he turn it on before it dried? |
| 19:34.53 | creeperz | no |
| 19:34.58 | Noodle-sensei | why did he have BBQ sauce around his mobo to begin with? |
| 19:34.59 | creeperz | and he washed it with rubbing alcohol |
| 19:35.08 | creeperz | cuz Kurt is a retard |
| 19:35.16 | creeperz | case closed :-) |
| 19:35.21 | Noodle-sensei | ok :-P |
| 19:35.49 | djmaistro | Hello. Does anybody know a FAQ for newbies? I don't know how to drive :| |
| 19:35.50 | creeperz | then somehow on a trip to minnesota the cpu got fried :-S |
| 19:35.57 | creeperz | by just sitting in the back of a van |
| 19:36.09 | creeperz | djmaistro: mouse or keyboard |
| 19:36.18 | djmaistro | keyboard |
| 19:36.24 | creeperz | arrow keys |
| 19:36.28 | creeperz | go to the options menu |
| 19:36.35 | RedBaron2 | djmaistro: gas in on the right, brakes are on the left :) |
| 19:36.50 | creeperz | lol, RedBaron2 |
| 19:36.58 | creeperz | anyhow |
| 19:37.04 | creeperz | djmaistro: go to "Input Settings:" |
| 19:37.06 | djmaistro | Yeah, but driving a tank is different. |
| 19:37.18 | RedBaron2 | oh, a tank... sorry :) |
| 19:37.25 | Noodle-sensei | djmaistro: use the mouse |
| 19:37.29 | Noodle-sensei | it's a no-brainer |
| 19:37.32 | djmaistro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.53 | creeperz | djmaistro: choose "Keyboard" under "Active Input Device" |
| 19:37.58 | creeperz | or a mouse, yeah :-) |
| 19:38.13 | creeperz | but be VERY careful |
| 19:38.23 | creeperz | cuz it could break your mouse |
| 19:38.26 | creeperz | :- |
| 19:38.27 | creeperz | P |
| 19:38.38 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/bb has many posts on how to play |
| 19:38.41 | Noodle-sensei | the mouse will explode and burn your hand if you get stuck on a pyramid |
| 19:38.43 | JeffM2501 | just do a search |
| 19:38.44 | JeffM2501 | or read around |
| 19:38.54 | creeperz | yeah |
| 19:39.09 | creeperz | or plug your keyboard in and quit using the MS On-Screen Keyboard feature |
| 19:39.22 | creeperz | that thing sucks on lappys |
| 19:39.32 | creeperz | err |
| 19:39.37 | Noodle-sensei | hahaha |
| 19:39.47 | creeperz | on the one things with only the screen |
| 19:39.51 | JeffM2501 | wow could you be any more crass creeperz ? |
| 19:40.02 | creeperz | ~dict crass |
| 19:40.10 | creeperz | :-( |
| 19:40.13 | RedBaron2 | Guu sure could be! |
| 19:40.14 | guu | RedBaron2: what are you smoking, and did you bring enough for everyone? |
| 19:40.18 | RedBaron2 | see! |
| 19:40.24 | JeffM2501 | due was just asking for help, no need to ridcule him |
| 19:40.31 | creeperz | me? |
| 19:40.35 | creeperz | i wasnt |
| 19:40.40 | creeperz | oh |
| 19:40.45 | creeperz | sorry |
| 19:40.51 | creeperz | meant it as a joke :-( |
| 19:40.54 | RedBaron2 | ~whaleslap creeperz for his bad puns again |
| 19:40.56 | ibot | ACTION slaps creeperz for his bad puns again upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:41.08 | creeperz | RedBaron2: what pun? |
| 19:41.27 | RedBaron2 | joke/puns, same difference right? :) |
| 19:41.40 | creeperz | pun isnt always meant to happen |
| 19:41.48 | RedBaron2 | ~whaleslap creeperz for his bad jokes |
| 19:41.50 | ibot | ACTION slaps creeperz for his bad jokes upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:41.50 | creeperz | but theyre funny just cuz of the irony of the situation |
| 19:42.06 | RedBaron2 | there :) i stand politically corrected |
| 19:42.08 | creeperz | jokes are intentional and need to make some sence at least |
| 19:42.12 | creeperz | lool |
| 19:42.19 | creeperz | lol* |
| 19:42.50 | JeffM2501 | sense is something I think you often lack |
| 19:43.11 | creeperz | usually, yes |
| 19:43.19 | creeperz | but i have moments |
| 19:44.19 | lala_bzflag | yay didnt crash |
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| 19:44.58 | JeffM2501 | after you blew out the config? |
| 19:45.26 | lala_bzflag | but 9 fps LOOOOL |
| 19:45.26 | lala_bzflag | ya |
| 19:45.39 | JeffM2501 | on a 128, sure that makes sense |
| 19:45.40 | lala_bzflag | nmy card is to bad for the new version :( |
| 19:45.44 | JeffM2501 | start turning stuff off |
| 19:45.46 | JeffM2501 | like textures |
| 19:45.50 | JeffM2501 | and shadows |
| 19:45.58 | JeffM2501 | probably everything but z buffer |
| 19:46.01 | lala_bzflag | nya the card calls 128 but its only a 32 |
| 19:46.09 | JeffM2501 | it's a 128 bit bus |
| 19:46.12 | JeffM2501 | not memory size |
| 19:46.19 | lala_bzflag | 32 bit |
| 19:46.26 | JeffM2501 | the CPU is 32 bit |
| 19:46.30 | JeffM2501 | the bus is 128 bits wide |
| 19:46.41 | JeffM2501 | it can run from 8 to 32 megs of memory |
| 19:46.41 | lala_bzflag | ah ok |
| 19:47.07 | lala_bzflag | but it makes no fun without good preferences |
| 19:47.09 | JeffM2501 | it's a VERY slow card |
| 19:47.13 | JeffM2501 | upgrade |
| 19:47.17 | JeffM2501 | is it a laptop? |
| 19:47.24 | lala_bzflag | no |
| 19:47.33 | JeffM2501 | then slap a GF2MX in there |
| 19:47.36 | JeffM2501 | or a 5200 |
| 19:47.41 | JeffM2501 | you have an AGP slot? |
| 19:47.53 | creeperz | although PCI, i still love it |
| 19:47.59 | JeffM2501 | 5200's are cheap, down to $40 |
| 19:48.11 | creeperz | JeffM2501: for a PCI or AGP? |
| 19:48.16 | JeffM2501 | AGP |
| 19:48.19 | creeperz | ohh |
| 19:48.21 | JeffM2501 | PCI cards allways cost more |
| 19:48.24 | creeperz | thats cheaper than the PCI :-( |
| 19:48.27 | JeffM2501 | cus they are in lss demand |
| 19:48.29 | JeffM2501 | well sure |
| 19:48.30 | lala_bzflag | dunno, its time for a new mainboard+cpu+ddram |
| 19:48.43 | blast007 | yeah...think I paid $110 for the PCI, thought that was quite a while ago |
| 19:48.49 | blast007 | though* |
| 19:48.57 | JeffM2501 | that seems high even for when they came out |
| 19:48.59 | creeperz | i only paid 50 some |
| 19:49.14 | JeffM2501 | mobos with out AGP should just die |
| 19:49.27 | creeperz | JeffM2501: you have cursed half the world |
| 19:49.27 | lala_bzflag | ok have to go but ty for ur help |
| 19:49.36 | creeperz | i have an AGP mobo here |
| 19:49.39 | lala_bzflag | cu |
| 19:49.43 | creeperz | same socket as this one and everything |
| 19:49.44 | JeffM2501 | then put a real card in it :) |
| 19:49.58 | creeperz | but i need to get a sound card, USB card, and a net card |
| 19:49.59 | JeffM2501 | and it's less then half the world, just most of your state |
| 19:50.06 | Noodle-sensei | florian... |
| 19:50.06 | creeperz | true |
| 19:50.07 | JeffM2501 | your mobo didn't come with that? |
| 19:50.13 | creeperz | mine did |
| 19:50.16 | JeffM2501 | what kinda cheap mobo dosn't have onboard? |
| 19:50.18 | Noodle-sensei | i had a sinaloan milksnake once named florian :-) |
| 19:50.21 | creeperz | the one billy gave me didnt |
| 19:50.35 | JeffM2501 | what chipset is on it? |
| 19:51.04 | blast007 | heh, my crappy board has no AGP....an Intel 810 chipset :P |
| 19:51.10 | JeffM2501 | burn it |
| 19:51.18 | Noodle-sensei | crap on it first |
| 19:51.19 | creeperz | JeffM2501: its an 810 |
| 19:51.31 | Noodle-sensei | then burn it next to your enemy's house |
| 19:51.35 | JeffM2501 | semperon 2400's are like only 65$ :) |
| 19:51.35 | blast007 | doesn't pay to upgrade, cuz I'll eventually get an Athlon 64 board for a new computer |
| 19:51.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah the 64's are nice |
| 19:51.53 | creeperz | blast007: word :-) |
| 19:51.59 | Noodle-sensei | what is semperon anyway? |
| 19:52.09 | JeffM2501 | you can get a semeperon 3100 and put it in a 64 bit mobo |
| 19:52.17 | creeperz | Noodle-sensei: rox0rz j00r sox0rz |
| 19:52.21 | JeffM2501 | it's a up bused athalon XP with less cache |
| 19:52.23 | blast007 | the semperon is like the replacement for the duron, iirc |
| 19:52.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:52.28 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 19:52.31 | Noodle-sensei | ah |
| 19:52.33 | JeffM2501 | tho they make durrons in 1.8 now |
| 19:52.50 | JeffM2501 | this 2400 I just put together runs at 333 fsb |
| 19:52.59 | JeffM2501 | where a normal XP 2400 runs at 266 |
| 19:53.07 | JeffM2501 | but this has about 1/2 the cache |
| 19:53.18 | JeffM2501 | it's like the celerons of the XP world |
| 19:53.23 | creeperz | :-( |
| 19:53.35 | creeperz | 2.7 ghz |
| 19:53.42 | *** join/#bzflag |zongo| (~zongo@80-218-158-23.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:53.45 | JeffM2501 | the 3100 semperon is basicly a XP 64 with out the 64bit instruction set, so it goes in a 64 mobo |
| 19:54.03 | creeperz | hmm |
| 19:54.04 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: I am so sorry for your 100mhz bus |
| 19:54.23 | creeperz | JeffM2501: you have any crying tissues? |
| 19:54.24 | creeperz | :-) |
| 19:54.30 | JeffM2501 | use your sock |
| 19:54.36 | creeperz | cant |
| 19:54.43 | *** join/#bzflag prodan (~prodan@p3EE0AAB9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:54.44 | JeffM2501 | then your SOL |
| 19:54.47 | prodan | hi ho |
| 19:54.49 | creeperz | SOL? |
| 19:54.53 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 19:54.57 | creeperz | whats a SOL? |
| 19:55.06 | JeffM2501 | it's not a thing |
| 19:55.11 | creeperz | ok |
| 19:55.15 | creeperz | what ISNT a SOL? |
| 19:55.19 | prodan | im getting: WARNING: player already exists at location with id 35 |
| 19:55.30 | prodan | and /home/dan/bin/bz: line 2: 2270 Segmentation fault /usr/games/bzflag -window |
| 19:55.31 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: go look it up |
| 19:55.44 | prodan | as soon as i log in at hepcat |
| 19:55.49 | JeffM2501 | prodan: I think that was a bug that may have been fixed |
| 19:55.53 | JeffM2501 | in CVS |
| 19:56.02 | prodan | hmm |
| 19:56.23 | prodan | a debian deb file yet? |
| 19:56.24 | creeperz | JeffM2501: The fifth tone of the diatonic scale in solfeggio? |
| 19:56.33 | JeffM2501 | it's not a real release yet |
| 19:56.38 | JeffM2501 | so no you'd have to build from source. |
| 19:56.51 | prodan | ok thx |
| 20:11.25 | Tupone | prodan update your client |
| 20:12.10 | Big_Brother | ~wtf sol |
| 20:12.28 | Big_Brother | hrm. "So outta luck" is more proper |
| 20:12.39 | Thumper_ | but less correct |
| 20:16.30 | Grumbler | !lart Big_Brother for further dementing the minds of the young |
| 20:21.59 | *** join/#bzflag TheRedBaron (~TheRedbar@pcp09862679pcs.bbridg01.fl.comcast.net) |
| 20:23.06 | JeffM2501 | it's all ganked art but I think this'll do for a place holder :) http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/loading.png |
| 20:23.08 | *** join/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c126-p001.vtx.ch) |
| 20:24.12 | edini | if i run bzflag -window, is the a way to get my cursor out of that window, so i can do other thinks? |
| 20:24.22 | orange | options, input, capture mouse |
| 20:24.33 | orange | confine mouse, actually |
| 20:25.08 | edini | yeah, thanks! |
| 20:25.08 | Grumbler | but when the mouse is unconfined, playing bz has a new level of difficulty |
| 20:25.16 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c126-p001.vtx.ch) |
| 20:25.19 | edini | i dont play, i`m in observer |
| 20:25.19 | orange | hehe, unless you play keyboard |
| 20:25.48 | orange | I'd love a hotkey for that function... but I don't think it's an assignable action |
| 20:25.59 | Grumbler | ditto |
| 20:26.29 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@pD9EA7174.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:30.07 | sgk284 | confine mouse to the little yellow box thing? |
| 20:30.35 | orange | sgk284: no, the confine mouse setting confines mouse to the bzflag window or not |
| 20:31.11 | sgk284 | oh... people play bzflag in windowed mode? heh who would have thunk it |
| 20:31.18 | SportyGal | hi edini |
| 20:31.23 | orange | I do |
| 20:31.38 | sgk284 | orange, i was kidding:) |
| 20:31.41 | sgk284 | SportyGal, how goes it? |
| 20:31.46 | orange | I'm sure it's fairly rare though |
| 20:31.51 | SportyGal | sgk284: fine - busy at work. Wonderful rain outside |
| 20:32.01 | SportyGal | sgk284: when you guys gonna fix me up? |
| 20:32.07 | sgk284 | fix what up? |
| 20:32.09 | orange | SportyGal: is your rain really hard and the size of a golf ball? |
| 20:32.15 | sgk284 | autoshost? |
| 20:32.19 | SportyGal | orange: dunno - I'm inside |
| 20:32.19 | sgk284 | ghost* |
| 20:32.25 | SportyGal | sgk284: lag, jitter, nr |
| 20:32.35 | sgk284 | wow my computer is shaking violently, think this is bad? |
| 20:32.44 | sgk284 | SportyGal, ow... |
| 20:32.50 | sgk284 | err oh.... |
| 20:32.59 | SportyGal | ~lart sgk284 |
| 20:33.06 | sgk284 | heh |
| 20:33.24 | creeperz | sgk284: hit it |
| 20:33.25 | sgk284 | SportyGal, i think i found a solution |
| 20:33.26 | creeperz | HARD |
| 20:33.33 | sgk284 | just close your eyes and pretend like its okay |
| 20:33.41 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 20:34.02 | sgk284 | creeperz, heh |
| 20:34.15 | SportyGal | sgk284: of course, since ~I~ don't usually see the jitter, that wouldn't make a difference to me. Just wait until I get you on the field and jitter and dance around your tank, shooting you into swiss cheese and you can't get a fix on me |
| 20:34.22 | creeperz | thats all my computer teacher does when theres a problem with a computer |
| 20:34.33 | creeperz | like on one of the machines, the cpu fan stopped running |
| 20:34.42 | creeperz | all she did was hit it 4 or 7 times |
| 20:34.42 | sgk284 | creeperz, lol i dunno whats going on... the fan must be doing 5000 rpm |
| 20:34.53 | creeperz | wow |
| 20:35.01 | creeperz | shove a popsicle stick in it |
| 20:35.10 | Big_Brother | creeperz: it's called percussive maintenance...works pretty well, temporarily. |
| 20:35.15 | sgk284 | lol well that probably means something is not cooling properly |
| 20:35.24 | creeperz | Big_Brother: never did stop again |
| 20:35.28 | creeperz | not to this day, anyhow |
| 20:35.33 | creeperz | to my knowledge |
| 20:35.36 | Big_Brother | creeperz: it will. |
| 20:35.43 | creeperz | eventually yes :-) |
| 20:35.51 | creeperz | everything stops working after a while |
| 20:35.53 | Big_Brother | maybe not for a couple years, but it will |
| 20:36.09 | creeperz | like when your boss gives you a little pink post-it note |
| 20:36.11 | Big_Brother | even you stop working, assuming you ever started. |
| 20:36.14 | creeperz | that means your not working anymore |
| 20:36.33 | sgk284 | my fanless mini-itx board seems to hold up alright:) only one thing "moves" on it... the harddrive and soon enough i'm replacing it with a flash card:) |
| 20:36.42 | Big_Brother | percussive maintenance works in that situation too |
| 20:36.56 | creeperz | sgk284: heres how you fix that problem |
| 20:36.58 | creeperz | give it to me\ |
| 20:36.59 | sgk284 | i think... once i find a file system that is good but won't wear it out really fast |
| 20:37.24 | sgk284 | creeperz, the computer shaking like crazy isn't mine ... i'm in a lab right now |
| 20:37.28 | Big_Brother | sgk284: any particular reason to use flash instead of disk? |
| 20:37.34 | creeperz | silent |
| 20:37.49 | sgk284 | Big_Brother, heat and solidness |
| 20:37.50 | creeperz | maybe a bit faster too |
| 20:38.00 | creeperz | considering its a mini-itx board :-) |
| 20:38.02 | sgk284 | silence is another one |
| 20:38.23 | sgk284 | not necessairly faster, me thinks access might be slower but i havent checked what its rated for |
| 20:38.31 | creeperz | ah |
| 20:38.47 | Big_Brother | unless it's in a shock-prone environment it won't make much of a difference at all. It's pretty easy to find near-silent hard drives if you're willing to sacrifice some wpeed. |
| 20:38.51 | Big_Brother | speed even |
| 20:39.00 | sgk284 | but it just serves stuff up to a person or two once every few millenia so i'm not too worried about disk access times |
| 20:39.21 | Big_Brother | and capacity is way better on a drive |
| 20:39.21 | sgk284 | Big_Brother, size is a nother nice thing about flash |
| 20:39.40 | sgk284 | yea capacity is the only thing holding me back right now |
| 20:39.57 | Big_Brother | sgk284: microdrives can be nearly as small as flash, with way higher densities, for cheaper |
| 20:39.59 | sgk284 | i'd be going from an 80 gig hd to a 2 gig flash card :/ |
| 20:40.13 | creeperz | wow |
| 20:40.18 | creeperz | id take the drive |
| 20:40.31 | sgk284 | Big_Brother, hrmm i'll have to look into it, didn't think microdrives were that cheap |
| 20:40.40 | creeperz | sgk284: when you put the flash card in, i'll give you my address :-P |
| 20:40.48 | sgk284 | heh |
| 20:40.51 | Big_Brother | sgk284: cheaper than flash on a per-gig basis |
| 20:41.52 | creeperz | sgk284: send me that too :-P |
| 20:42.24 | sgk284 | heh |
| 20:42.40 | Big_Brother | shockproofing is the big benifit to flash, they'll stand up to just about anything |
| 20:43.27 | sgk284 | yea |
| 20:43.47 | sgk284 | after lagging behind the technology wave for some time i finally caved in and got a cell phone with a camera yesterday... pretty nifty |
| 20:43.57 | creeperz | Grumbler: that one wasnt grape... |
| 20:43.58 | creeperz | :-) |
| 20:44.13 | creeperz | sgk284: ...eww... |
| 20:44.46 | creeperz | camera phones are handy and all, but not in south dakota |
| 20:44.47 | sgk284 | creeperz, heh its a nice speedy phone... all i really wanted was a phone to make calls (one other requirement being that its java enabled) |
| 20:44.50 | creeperz | not enough antennas |
| 20:45.01 | sgk284 | found this, it had everything i wanted plus more:) and supoports java3d |
| 20:45.08 | creeperz | for digital signal only |
| 20:45.13 | *** join/#bzflag jakob (~183c5ce7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:45.17 | sgk284 | oh i'm in philly so coverage is pretty good |
| 20:45.17 | Big_Brother | heh |
| 20:45.22 | creeperz | ah |
| 20:45.33 | jakob | has redsoxfan90 been on lately? |
| 20:45.33 | sgk284 | Grumbler lol |
| 20:45.34 | creeperz | in the middle of south dakota, its hard to get signals |
| 20:45.42 | creeperz | jakob: on a couple hours ago |
| 20:45.44 | Big_Brother | ~seen redsoxfan90 |
| 20:45.49 | ibot | redsoxfan90 <~466d9580@webchat.bzflag.bz> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 17h 27m 51s ago, saying: 'on vacation right now'. |
| 20:45.49 | Grumbler | ..except smoke |
| 20:45.49 | creeperz | lol |
| 20:45.53 | creeperz | i was just about to type that :-P |
| 20:46.05 | creeperz | oh |
| 20:46.06 | jakob | oh, thanks |
| 20:46.10 | creeperz | maybe longer than a couple hours |
| 20:46.11 | JeffM2501 | he has |
| 20:46.19 | creeperz | thought i just saw him earlier :-/ |
| 20:46.19 | JeffM2501 | he was on about 3 hours ago |
| 20:46.26 | creeperz | ok, im not insane then |
| 20:46.26 | jakob | really? |
| 20:46.28 | Grumbler | yeah, he was |
| 20:46.30 | sgk284 | ~fishslap ibot for being wrong |
| 20:46.32 | ibot | ACTION slaps ibot up side the head with a wet fish for being wrong |
| 20:46.43 | jakob | he just blocked me on msn, and Im trying to track him down :-) |
| 20:46.46 | Grumbler | maybe the name was unidentified or some such |
| 20:46.57 | Thumper_ | is there a way to allow polls for kick/ban but not variable settings? |
| 20:47.03 | JeffM2501 | why would he block you? |
| 20:47.06 | sgk284 | jakob, if you want someone's attention its best not to annoy them |
| 20:47.08 | orange | wasn't he the one who was sending cosmos threats about DOS and such on cosmos' server? |
| 20:47.12 | Big_Brother | Thumper_: there should be |
| 20:47.27 | JeffM2501 | he was here looking for a removal from the master ban |
| 20:47.27 | jakob | orange: ?? |
| 20:47.39 | jakob | oh, really? He was banned there. |
| 20:47.46 | jakob | He gets banned everywhere! |
| 20:47.51 | jakob | That isn';t good is it? |
| 20:47.52 | JeffM2501 | he was added to the masterban |
| 20:47.53 | orange | I just thought I remembered that name... sounds like I was right |
| 20:47.54 | TheRedBaron | yup |
| 20:48.01 | creeperz | ~hammerthrow sgk284 |
| 20:48.03 | ibot | ACTION throws a huge hammer across the room into $1/'s head |
| 20:48.06 | JeffM2501 | he is baned on any server that uses masterban |
| 20:48.17 | jakob | heeeheee |
| 20:48.21 | creeperz | hm |
| 20:48.21 | Thumper_ | how? |
| 20:48.30 | jakob | well, I'll check other IRC chat sesions |
| 20:48.32 | sgk284 | the 7474 IC has 2 independent D-type positive-edge-triggered flip flops |
| 20:48.34 | JeffM2501 | he was put on masterban |
| 20:48.35 | sgk284 | err ww |
| 20:48.38 | sgk284 | ~ww |
| 20:48.39 | ibot | There is no such thing as the wrong window, just wrong people |
| 20:48.43 | JeffM2501 | that makes all servers by defalt ban him |
| 20:48.50 | jakob | wow |
| 20:48.56 | Big_Brother | Thumper_: looking |
| 20:48.56 | jakob | to bad |
| 20:49.02 | creeperz | why is he banned? |
| 20:49.08 | jakob | yea, why> |
| 20:49.10 | jakob | ?* |
| 20:49.35 | sgk284 | i think the more important question is why not... |
| 20:49.45 | JeffM2501 | large scale disruption, one report of gross cheating, and threataning to atempt to disable the list sever and other network services |
| 20:49.47 | orange | from what I recall he went over the top with cosmos... death threats, threats of attacking his server, bringing his "gang" to attack |
| 20:49.55 | JeffM2501 | many things |
| 20:49.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah he's a jerk |
| 20:50.09 | jakob | your the admin? |
| 20:50.11 | JeffM2501 | he told him to get a job so he could run his server |
| 20:50.19 | JeffM2501 | I added him to masterban yes |
| 20:50.21 | creeperz | thats harsh :-P |
| 20:50.34 | jakob | Is Jeff admin? |
| 20:50.35 | Grumbler | but appropiate |
| 20:50.39 | creeperz | he is |
| 20:50.41 | jakob | Is that what the green @ sign is? |
| 20:50.41 | creeperz | jakob: he is |
| 20:50.46 | jakob | Oh ok |
| 20:50.47 | orange | I think many people would have lined up to add him to the masterban |
| 20:50.52 | JeffM2501 | it means I am an op in this channel |
| 20:50.59 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean anything else |
| 20:51.02 | creeperz | jakob: this is IRC, though. seperate from actual BZFlag |
| 20:51.03 | jakob | :-) |
| 20:51.09 | jakob | oh ok |
| 20:51.18 | creeperz | although he is admin on bz too, IIRC |
| 20:51.23 | jakob | chris just asked me how to hack people's computers. |
| 20:51.27 | JeffM2501 | not that I am aware of |
| 20:51.29 | creeperz | JeffM2501: are you still or again admin on bzflag? |
| 20:51.33 | creeperz | lol |
| 20:51.38 | jakob | When I wouldn't tell him, he logged off all his IMs. |
| 20:51.38 | JeffM2501 | what is "bzflag" creeperz ? |
| 20:51.47 | JeffM2501 | jakob: who is "chris" ? |
| 20:51.47 | creeperz | ~bzflag |
| 20:51.48 | ibot | i heard bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 20:51.50 | sgk284 | jakob, jeff is one of those mystical men from mars that control many things here on earth, some related, others not |
| 20:52.01 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: the game has no single "admin" groups |
| 20:52.10 | JeffM2501 | each server has it's own admin |
| 20:52.14 | creeperz | yes |
| 20:52.14 | sgk284 | okay well maybe he's not from mars... but had to give it some edge |
| 20:52.22 | creeperz | but how do you instate a masterban? |
| 20:52.25 | JeffM2501 | I may be in the hix admin group |
| 20:52.26 | orange | except for the masterban, which is almost single |
| 20:52.27 | jakob | bzflag is an amzing (but too adictive) multi-player networked tank shoot-em up first-person game |
| 20:52.32 | jakob | bzflag.com |
| 20:52.37 | JeffM2501 | masterban can be updated by anyone with cvs commit access. |
| 20:52.43 | creeperz | JeffM2501: im in the xmission server admin group |
| 20:52.46 | creeperz | ohh |
| 20:52.53 | sgk284 | ~TimRiker |
| 20:52.54 | ibot | timriker is, like, my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org mailto:Tim@TI.com maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool person, or ... |
| 20:52.59 | JeffM2501 | masterban is a web service just like the list server |
| 20:52.59 | creeperz | where is the xmission server anyhow? |
| 20:53.09 | jakob | sgk284: :-) |
| 20:53.19 | creeperz | so, when the listserver goes down, so does the masterban list? |
| 20:53.22 | JeffM2501 | now if I REALY wanted to, I could add myself to any admin group that uses global reg :) |
| 20:53.28 | *** join/#bzflag font (~45f06abf@rw08.de) |
| 20:53.32 | orange | hehe, true |
| 20:53.33 | Big_Brother | ~lart JeffM2501 |
| 20:53.40 | JeffM2501 | not that I would |
| 20:53.45 | orange | people might notice |
| 20:53.47 | sgk284 | ~sgk284 |
| 20:53.49 | ibot | somebody said sgk284 was an admin at Secretplace. |
| 20:53.53 | jakob | how o I log on to other IRC things without exiting this? |
| 20:54.12 | JeffM2501 | jakob: that web chat is only for bzflag, get a real IRC client |
| 20:54.12 | sgk284 | ibot, wake up |
| 20:54.14 | ibot | up: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 20:54.14 | sgk284 | are you using the cgi interface? |
| 20:54.17 | JeffM2501 | like xchat |
| 20:54.24 | *** join/#bzflag jakob (~183c5ce7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:54.34 | jakob | YOUR TIM RIKER? (Directed to sgk |
| 20:54.53 | jakob | Hello? |
| 20:54.58 | menotume | yes, HIS TIm R |
| 20:55.04 | jakob | Wow! |
| 20:55.04 | JeffM2501 | no he is not Tim |
| 20:55.10 | sgk284 | lol |
| 20:55.12 | jakob | Oh |
| 20:55.14 | jakob | ok |
| 20:55.15 | sgk284 | jakob are you serious? |
| 20:55.26 | jakob | is tim here? |
| 20:55.28 | jakob | no |
| 20:55.28 | JeffM2501 | `ls` is tim |
| 20:55.35 | jakob | oh! |
| 20:55.38 | jakob | he's here? |
| 20:55.39 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, way to give away the secret... ;) |
| 20:55.46 | JeffM2501 | dude it's not a secret |
| 20:55.46 | jakob | :-) |
| 20:55.47 | Big_Brother | Thumper_: I don't see any way to. Probably should be added to the -poll option |
| 20:55.53 | JeffM2501 | this isn't a place to play controll games with n00bs |
| 20:55.53 | menotume | when he is 'ls', he is NOT here |
| 20:55.56 | orange | it's rather obvious when he changes nicknames :-) |
| 20:55.59 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, i was beign sracastic |
| 20:55.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's his away name |
| 20:56.11 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, now i'm learnign how to spell |
| 20:56.11 | JeffM2501 | he'd be TimRiker if he was realy here |
| 20:56.18 | sgk284 | and not doing too good at it |
| 20:56.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:56.23 | menotume | hmmm, where IS the place to play with n00bs ? |
| 20:56.38 | JeffM2501 | in your head |
| 20:56.41 | creeperz | they might as well of shot me |
| 20:56.52 | creeperz | menotume: i have a n00b server |
| 20:56.59 | creeperz | would you like me to host it? |
| 20:57.03 | sgk284 | menotume, you can set up private server, have some bots join and play against them |
| 20:57.07 | menotume | nno thx :) |
| 20:57.10 | creeperz | yu sure? |
| 20:57.12 | jakob | :-) |
| 20:57.16 | creeperz | only take me a double-click |
| 20:57.18 | menotume | not play BZ wiht n00bs |
| 20:57.20 | jakob | you guys. *Shakes his head* |
| 20:57.26 | jakob | :-) |
| 20:57.30 | *** part/#bzflag |zongo| (~zongo@80-218-158-23.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:57.31 | TheRedBaron | it gets worse.. |
| 20:57.44 | creeperz | grr |
| 20:57.53 | JeffM2501 | he is general bandwith |
| 20:57.55 | jakob | :-)) |
| 20:58.02 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:58.03 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 20:58.03 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 20:58.07 | menotume | uh oh |
| 20:58.08 | jakob | How do you do Laughing smily |
| 20:58.17 | JeffM2501 | there arn't smilys here |
| 20:58.19 | JeffM2501 | this is just text |
| 20:58.20 | creeperz | jakob: its a client thing |
| 20:58.28 | creeperz | some clients do support smileys |
| 20:58.32 | creeperz | and emoticons |
| 20:58.45 | JeffM2501 | not |
| 20:58.48 | sgk284 | hey Nidhoggr |
| 20:58.49 | Big_Brother | Thumper_: CmdLineOptions.h:72 change "disableSet(false)" to "disableSet(true)" and it will disallow /poll set |
| 20:58.49 | JeffM2501 | 'real' clients |
| 20:58.51 | creeperz | like mozilla chat use to, IIRC |
| 20:58.52 | Nidhoggr | hi |
| 20:59.03 | jakob | Is TimRiker actually TimRiker, or is someone playing trcks. (I have a few things to ask him.) |
| 20:59.03 | creeperz | and i think IRSSI might |
| 20:59.07 | Big_Brother | it's not hooked in to the interface |
| 20:59.08 | creeperz | not 100% on that though |
| 20:59.20 | creeperz | jakob: he is the head hancho |
| 20:59.43 | jakob | wow (im an esp) |
| 20:59.47 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr: what do you think of this? http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/loading.png it's all ganked art, but what do you think of the fell? |
| 21:00.00 | sgk284 | ~ask |
| 21:00.02 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 21:00.12 | jakob | (esp = Easily Surprised People) |
| 21:00.13 | cods | indeed, people abuse poll set: "Archives: :/poll was successful tank speed will be set to 50000000" |
| 21:00.14 | creeperz | JeffM2501: purty |
| 21:00.22 | sgk284 | jakob, that was for you:) |
| 21:00.41 | JeffM2501 | then there would be a specific screen for each "map" or "world" |
| 21:00.41 | sgk284 | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 21:00.44 | sgk284 | awesome design |
| 21:00.50 | creeperz | yes |
| 21:00.50 | Big_Brother | cods, Thumper_: it was supposed to be tied in to the interface but it wasn't. oops. |
| 21:00.52 | TheRedBaron | Sweet, I can see florida! |
| 21:00.54 | creeperz | ~jeffm2501 |
| 21:00.57 | creeperz | err |
| 21:01.03 | jakob | sgk: What d ya mean? |
| 21:01.05 | creeperz | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 21:01.07 | creeperz | :-) |
| 21:01.08 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, you model that? |
| 21:01.13 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:01.16 | TimRiker | jakob: ask away |
| 21:01.18 | JeffM2501 | it's all pulled art from the net |
| 21:01.27 | creeperz | he just said he ganked it >< |
| 21:02.01 | jakob | Well, Im making this game called "The Epnal World", and I was wondering.... hold on, haven't I already t |
| 21:02.07 | jakob | talked to you about this? |
| 21:02.28 | TimRiker | jakob: not that I recall. I talk to a lot of people though. ;-) |
| 21:02.35 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d54C34D0B.access.telenet.be) |
| 21:02.35 | JeffM2501 | guu dict epnal |
| 21:02.40 | creeperz | TimRiker: where is the XMission server? |
| 21:02.47 | TimRiker | ~dict epnal |
| 21:02.53 | TimRiker | creeperz: long gone... |
| 21:02.57 | creeperz | grr :-( |
| 21:03.10 | creeperz | i liked adminning there |
| 21:03.14 | JeffM2501 | jakob: what engine are you using? |
| 21:03.17 | TimRiker | creeperz: the box died long ago, and was never rebuilt. I got tired of pinging xmission about it. |
| 21:03.22 | jakob | ??? |
| 21:03.26 | JeffM2501 | for your game |
| 21:03.33 | jakob | Enging? |
| 21:03.33 | TheRedBaron | creeperz: bzflag0.gamesunited.de:5157 |
| 21:03.37 | jakob | OOps |
| 21:03.42 | JeffM2501 | engine |
| 21:03.44 | creeperz | TheRedBaron: whats that? |
| 21:03.47 | JeffM2501 | 3d rendring system |
| 21:03.57 | jakob | none |
| 21:03.59 | creeperz | jakob: the thing that does everything |
| 21:04.06 | TimRiker | alright.. let him ask the question already. ;-) |
| 21:04.17 | TheRedBaron | creeperz: xmission clone. |
| 21:04.26 | creeperz | is it THE Xmission? |
| 21:04.26 | jakob | I'll answer qs once i say the q |
| 21:04.28 | TheRedBaron | same map and same setup |
| 21:04.30 | creeperz | oh |
| 21:04.35 | creeperz | same admins? |
| 21:04.36 | JeffM2501 | then ask away :) |
| 21:04.46 | TheRedBaron | creeperz: depends on what you call setup... |
| 21:05.03 | creeperz | TheRedBaron: i never said setup... |
| 21:05.05 | jakob | ok, I was wondring if Tim Riker, or one of his devs, can help me redo some small parts of BZFlag for "The Epnal World" |
| 21:05.05 | creeperz | you did :-S |
| 21:05.16 | JeffM2501 | jakob: what did you need done? |
| 21:05.20 | *** join/#bzflag jakob (~183c5ce7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:05.25 | TimRiker | heh. |
| 21:05.27 | jakob | Grr I disconnected again! |
| 21:05.29 | JeffM2501 | so your using bzflag as your engine and source codebase then |
| 21:05.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah webchat can do that |
| 21:05.35 | jakob | NOOOO! |
| 21:05.42 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:05.49 | sgk284 | jakob, yes |
| 21:05.55 | sgk284 | and whats epnal? |
| 21:06.04 | JeffM2501 | what did you need done to the codebase for your branch? |
| 21:06.05 | TheRedBaron | Creeperz: the xmission map has changed over the bzyears, which one do you specifically want? |
| 21:06.14 | jakob | Im going to use BZFlag for the battling part of the game, so people in an army can actually fight, and not watch themselves get killed! |
| 21:06.18 | creeperz | hix |
| 21:06.20 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron: he just liked the fact that he could ban there. |
| 21:06.26 | creeperz | isnt that the origional xmission map? |
| 21:06.41 | JeffM2501 | jakob: so your using it as your engine, what changes did you need? |
| 21:06.42 | creeperz | JeffM2501: not really that |
| 21:06.48 | creeperz | also liked the players |
| 21:06.52 | jakob | look it up at sf.net |
| 21:07.00 | jakob | do a search for "THe Epnal World" |
| 21:07.02 | JeffM2501 | project name? |
| 21:07.06 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 21:07.14 | TheRedBaron | creeperz: the map is like madcity, changed and tweaked a million times, which tweak do you want? |
| 21:07.27 | TimRiker | jakob: anyone can modify bzflag to do whatever they like provided they comply with the license terms. You'll find most developers are interested in working on the main game rather than forks cause this means the features they add will be used by more people. There are a few other loosely related spinoffs that are also still progressing. however there are better choices in game engines than bzflag for most purposes. |
| 21:07.31 | creeperz | TheRedBaron: dont nessicarily WANT anything |
| 21:07.40 | creeperz | i was just wondering where XMission went :-) |
| 21:07.41 | *** join/#bzflag jakob (~183c5ce7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:07.48 | jakob | GRRR1 |
| 21:07.50 | JeffM2501 | many better choices |
| 21:07.52 | jakob | Disconnected! |
| 21:07.59 | JeffM2501 | get a real IRC client |
| 21:08.02 | jakob | What was that long speech again? |
| 21:08.02 | creeperz | TheRedBaron: and MadCity is a very good mad :-) |
| 21:08.03 | TheRedBaron | ~whaleslap creeperz for being so blasted confusing |
| 21:08.05 | ibot | ACTION slaps creeperz for being so blasted confusing upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:08.05 | JeffM2501 | not a web one |
| 21:08.11 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 21:08.14 | creeperz | jakob: http://xchat.org |
| 21:08.21 | TheRedBaron | www.mirc.com |
| 21:08.21 | creeperz | or other ones are available |
| 21:08.25 | *** join/#bzflag jakob (~183c5ce7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:08.30 | creeperz | yeah |
| 21:08.30 | JeffM2501 | or www.mirc.com if your on the windows version of AOL |
| 21:08.32 | jakob | *Steam comes out his ears* |
| 21:08.35 | creeperz | lol |
| 21:08.35 | menotume | just don't hit the back button ! |
| 21:08.38 | JeffM2501 | stop closing your window |
| 21:08.43 | JeffM2501 | and go get xchat |
| 21:08.51 | creeperz | jakob: http://xchat.org |
| 21:08.56 | TimRiker | jakob: get a real client. http://xchat.org/ http://mirc.com/ or see http://irchelp.org/ |
| 21:09.01 | jakob | I know, the shrcut for back is "Backspace"! |
| 21:09.08 | sgk284 | jakob, you code at all? |
| 21:09.11 | creeperz | jakob: stop using IE :-P |
| 21:09.15 | jakob | Can't not aloud to download without permisson! |
| 21:09.19 | jakob | Using Firefox! |
| 21:09.25 | creeperz | oh |
| 21:09.26 | creeperz | weod |
| 21:09.29 | JeffM2501 | jakob: ohh your a youngin |
| 21:09.30 | JeffM2501 | got it |
| 21:09.35 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 21:09.36 | creeperz | lol, JeffM2501 |
| 21:09.37 | jakob | yep |
| 21:09.40 | JeffM2501 | how old? |
| 21:09.46 | jakob | not saying, private |
| 21:09.49 | jakob | sry |
| 21:09.50 | JeffM2501 | ok so 12 |
| 21:09.51 | creeperz | wow |
| 21:09.52 | TheRedBaron | ~fishslap JeffM2501 |
| 21:09.54 | ibot | ACTION slaps JeffM2501 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:09.55 | creeperz | LOL!! |
| 21:09.58 | sgk284 | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 21:10.02 | jakob | just herd too many of those stories of kidnapping |
| 21:10.02 | creeperz | yes |
| 21:10.03 | JeffM2501 | what is your SF project name? |
| 21:10.08 | jakob | simmworld? |
| 21:10.10 | JeffM2501 | hah kidnaping |
| 21:10.12 | JeffM2501 | you don't know |
| 21:10.16 | JeffM2501 | isn't it your project? |
| 21:10.16 | jakob | Does that help? |
| 21:10.20 | jakob | Yes |
| 21:10.21 | sgk284 | jakob, do you understand what goes into making a game? |
| 21:10.26 | creeperz | jakob: was your project accepted? |
| 21:10.32 | jakob | Yea |
| 21:10.34 | Big_Brother | jakob: https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&id=16 |
| 21:10.51 | creeperz | ok |
| 21:10.54 | jakob | OK |
| 21:10.59 | jakob | Fine, I'll do it this once. |
| 21:11.01 | creeperz | what is the short url (unix name) of the project then? |
| 21:11.01 | jakob | *Sigh* |
| 21:11.08 | jakob | Hold on... (gets url) |
| 21:11.11 | JeffM2501 | it's simmworld |
| 21:11.15 | creeperz | oh k |
| 21:11.22 | jakob | https://sourceforge.net/projects/simmworld/ |
| 21:11.24 | jakob | There |
| 21:11.26 | JeffM2501 | it's java based? |
| 21:11.30 | jakob | yep |
| 21:11.34 | JeffM2501 | what exactly did you want done with bzflag then? |
| 21:11.36 | jakob | sad, isn't it? |
| 21:11.39 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not java |
| 21:11.39 | jakob | (sarcasm |
| 21:11.41 | jakob | ) |
| 21:11.45 | jakob | I know |
| 21:11.49 | TimRiker | http://sourceforge.net/projects/simmworld/ |
| 21:11.51 | jakob | hey |
| 21:12.00 | jakob | nvm, |
| 21:12.03 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-167-2-178.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 21:12.15 | JeffM2501 | don't listen to creepers, he's a bafoon |
| 21:12.25 | jakob | The server isn't up, so you can't connect using the client |
| 21:12.29 | jakob | ok |
| 21:12.33 | jakob | i agree |
| 21:12.37 | JeffM2501 | but still what stuff did you want done? |
| 21:12.38 | TimRiker | heh. /me didn't notice that jakob pasted it already, obviously, so now you get another line of text you can ignore. |
| 21:12.51 | JeffM2501 | you have not explained what you want to do |
| 21:12.55 | jakob | Hold on.... |
| 21:12.58 | creeperz | TimRiker: and another one on top of that :-P |
| 21:12.58 | JeffM2501 | or what your games goals are. |
| 21:13.07 | JeffM2501 | do you have an IRC channel to talk about it in ? |
| 21:13.37 | JeffM2501 | Big_Brother: how bad is it out there? |
| 21:13.48 | Big_Brother | not too bad right now |
| 21:13.53 | Big_Brother | a few minutes ago it was pouring |
| 21:14.03 | *** join/#bzflag jakob (~183c5ce7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:14.03 | JeffM2501 | it's coming down hard here |
| 21:14.03 | creeperz | JeffM2501: hey, just feel good your is liquid precipitation :-) |
| 21:14.08 | sgk284 | jakob, is java the only language you hack in? |
| 21:14.15 | jakob | How do I use the ChatZilla extension? |
| 21:14.20 | creeperz | mine is a form that must be shovled |
| 21:14.24 | jakob | grrrrr |
| 21:14.29 | *** join/#bzflag crko (jan@cmb27-47.dial-up.arnes.si) |
| 21:14.35 | jakob | i guess it is |
| 21:14.37 | JeffM2501 | jakob: read the instructions |
| 21:14.52 | JeffM2501 | but if you can't install software with out permision, how would you install a new version of bzflag |
| 21:14.53 | jakob | what instructions? |
| 21:15.20 | sgk284 | jakob, i would think it'd be somewhere in the menus if you install an extension |
| 21:15.23 | JeffM2501 | http://www.hacksrus.com/~ginda/chatzilla/ |
| 21:15.30 | JeffM2501 | the link to the homepage |
| 21:15.48 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: you mean like bzflag? |
| 21:15.52 | JeffM2501 | with textures off? |
| 21:15.52 | Big_Brother | jakob: type irc://freenode/ into your address bar |
| 21:15.57 | Big_Brother | then do /join #bzflag |
| 21:15.59 | creeperz | JeffM2501: yeah |
| 21:16.02 | creeperz | but with textures |
| 21:16.10 | JeffM2501 | textures arn't vector based |
| 21:16.13 | JeffM2501 | they are bitmaps |
| 21:16.15 | JeffM2501 | by definition |
| 21:16.18 | creeperz | ah |
| 21:16.19 | creeperz | true |
| 21:16.22 | creeperz | hmm |
| 21:16.27 | sgk284 | creeperz, vector based "textures" ? |
| 21:16.31 | sgk284 | like svg? |
| 21:16.37 | creeperz | what is svg? |
| 21:16.42 | JeffM2501 | god that would be slow |
| 21:16.45 | sgk284 | scalable vector graphics |
| 21:16.50 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, read my mind :) |
| 21:16.52 | creeperz | yeah |
| 21:17.07 | JeffM2501 | it could be bearable if you rasterised them out to texture ream |
| 21:17.14 | creeperz | yeah |
| 21:17.15 | JeffM2501 | then use the same source image for difrent reses |
| 21:17.22 | creeperz | mm hmm |
| 21:17.23 | JeffM2501 | but that's all it would get you |
| 21:17.25 | JeffM2501 | some scale |
| 21:17.30 | sgk284 | creeperz, most hardware is optimized for bitmapped textures ... not to mention vector graphics require quite a bit of computation before being rendered |
| 21:17.34 | JeffM2501 | and save sise of data |
| 21:17.45 | jakob | How do I use ChatZilla? |
| 21:18.12 | JeffM2501 | read this http://www.hacksrus.com/~ginda/chatzilla/faq/#moredocs |
| 21:18.51 | sgk284 | jakob, JeffM2501 can only show you the door, you must choose to walk through it... |
| 21:19.07 | sgk284 | miserably* |
| 21:19.21 | sgk284 | heh okay at least someone got it:) |
| 21:19.33 | jakob | Where's the Tasks menu in Firefox? |
| 21:19.38 | sgk284 | tasks? |
| 21:19.41 | sgk284 | what kind of tasks? |
| 21:19.42 | jakob | yea |
| 21:19.44 | jakob | it says: |
| 21:19.52 | jakob | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.03 | jakob | I need help on how to start it |
| 21:20.10 | JeffM2501 | what browser are you in? |
| 21:20.13 | JeffM2501 | IE? |
| 21:20.22 | Big_Brother | jakob: like I told you before. Type "irc://freenode/#bzflag" into your address bar. |
| 21:20.41 | jakob | irc is not a registered protocol |
| 21:20.51 | jakob | annoying |
| 21:20.53 | JeffM2501 | are you in InternetExplorer? |
| 21:20.54 | creeperz | jakob: did you even install the plugin? |
| 21:20.56 | JeffM2501 | or Firefox? |
| 21:20.59 | sgk284 | lol |
| 21:21.04 | JeffM2501 | do you click on the blue E |
| 21:21.05 | jakob | no, yes |
| 21:21.08 | jakob | no |
| 21:21.10 | JeffM2501 | or the red fox? |
| 21:21.13 | jakob | no |
| 21:21.16 | jakob | yes |
| 21:21.18 | jakob | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.21 | jakob | what? |
| 21:21.28 | jakob | *Dizy* |
| 21:21.30 | creeperz | jakob: just get XCHAT! |
| 21:21.32 | sgk284 | silence jakob |
| 21:21.35 | sgk284 | err i mean... |
| 21:21.37 | sgk284 | uhh |
| 21:21.39 | creeperz | http://xchat.org |
| 21:21.41 | jakob | heeeheee |
| 21:21.42 | creeperz | get the client |
| 21:21.45 | jakob | no! |
| 21:21.47 | JeffM2501 | what does it say at the top of your browser window? |
| 21:21.48 | creeperz | i will walk you through setting it up |
| 21:21.51 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-165-239-69.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 21:21.51 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: shut UP |
| 21:21.55 | Big_Brother | jakob: try the tools menu |
| 21:21.58 | creeperz | alright |
| 21:22.09 | jakob | Web Search... |
| 21:22.13 | jakob | Rad Mail |
| 21:22.18 | JeffM2501 | no above that |
| 21:22.18 | jakob | New Mesage |
| 21:22.21 | jakob | oh |
| 21:22.25 | jakob | Nope |
| 21:22.25 | JeffM2501 | on the title bar |
| 21:22.30 | JeffM2501 | it says something |
| 21:22.30 | jakob | umm... |
| 21:22.43 | JeffM2501 | something -mozilla firefox |
| 21:22.47 | jakob | CGI:IRC - #BZFlag[62] |
| 21:22.50 | jakob | yea |
| 21:22.56 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: what about strayer's site? |
| 21:22.57 | JeffM2501 | and it says firefox after that? |
| 21:22.58 | creeperz | isnt there a way just to launch the extension instead of using irc:// ? |
| 21:23.01 | jakob | yea |
| 21:23.04 | Big_Brother | jakob: in one of your menus should be an "IRC Chat" item |
| 21:23.09 | orange | if irc:// doesn't work then it isn't installed |
| 21:23.12 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron: if he can't get of web IRC he has no reason to make a game. |
| 21:23.13 | Big_Brother | it's in the "Window" menu in mozilla |
| 21:23.17 | jakob | Nope |
| 21:23.21 | jakob | No Windows |
| 21:23.30 | JeffM2501 | then isntall the plugin again |
| 21:23.32 | Big_Brother | then it's not installed right |
| 21:23.37 | JeffM2501 | cus you didn't get it right |
| 21:23.47 | jakob | It is installed, just did it! |
| 21:24.04 | jakob | Should I restart Firefox? |
| 21:24.05 | sgk284 | Q: How many developers and irc users does it take to get irc to work? A: At least 7 |
| 21:24.07 | creeperz | jakob: try restarting your browser |
| 21:24.11 | jakob | heeeeheeee |
| 21:24.12 | jakob | ok |
| 21:24.19 | jakob | liked that last joke! A TON! |
| 21:24.24 | jakob | bye, be back soon |
| 21:24.29 | jakob | don't mss me! |
| 21:24.52 | Big_Brother | oh don't worry, we won't |
| 21:25.03 | *** kick/#bzflag [creeperz!~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 21:25.04 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 21:25.09 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: oh, i thought we were helping him get an IRC chat so he could talk here. |
| 21:25.27 | JeffM2501 | I don't think he's quite ready for the real world |
| 21:25.37 | JeffM2501 | if you can't install apps with out perms you got's not biz devin |
| 21:25.53 | *** join/#bzflag Jakob (~chatzilla@c-24-60-92-231.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 21:25.57 | sgk284 | omg! |
| 21:25.57 | Jakob | hey! |
| 21:25.59 | Jakob | it works! |
| 21:26.03 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 21:26.06 | sgk284 | ~jakob++ |
| 21:26.09 | Jakob | :-) |
| 21:26.09 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the real world |
| 21:26.13 | Jakob | thanks |
| 21:26.17 | Jakob | im so excited! |
| 21:26.28 | Jakob | the first thing I got right with more than 10 people helping me! |
| 21:26.32 | Jakob | :-)) |
| 21:26.34 | sgk284 | i see you took the blue pill |
| 21:26.42 | Jakob | What? |
| 21:26.45 | Jakob | *Stops dancing* |
| 21:26.55 | Jakob | Just kidding |
| 21:26.56 | JeffM2501 | you probalby never seen the movie |
| 21:26.58 | Jakob | wasn't dancing |
| 21:27.01 | Jakob | nope |
| 21:27.04 | JeffM2501 | under your age range |
| 21:27.04 | Jakob | never seen |
| 21:27.05 | sgk284 | you may be too young to appreciate it |
| 21:27.06 | Jakob | it |
| 21:27.08 | JeffM2501 | PG |
| 21:27.16 | Jakob | mom only lets me watch G, and PG movies |
| 21:27.16 | sgk284 | jeff, heh |
| 21:27.25 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: burned.... |
| 21:27.28 | sgk284 | so you cant see robots? |
| 21:27.48 | sgk284 | or is robots pg? |
| 21:27.57 | JeffM2501 | it's probably pg |
| 21:27.58 | Jakob | So, about The Epnal World.... |
| 21:28.10 | sgk284 | what about it? |
| 21:28.12 | JeffM2501 | you shoudl make your own channel for it |
| 21:28.15 | creeperz | sgk284: Robots? |
| 21:28.18 | JeffM2501 | so you can explain with out cluting this one |
| 21:28.25 | sgk284 | a movie, by the makers of ice age |
| 21:28.28 | creeperz | oh |
| 21:28.30 | Jakob | how do I do that? |
| 21:28.31 | creeperz | is it good? |
| 21:28.32 | JeffM2501 | type /join simmworld |
| 21:28.38 | sgk284 | ice age was funny, robots hasnt been released yet |
| 21:28.42 | JeffM2501 | sorry #simmworld |
| 21:28.46 | creeperz | JeffM2501: you going to help him set up chanserv and such? |
| 21:28.48 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: did you delete that thread by ^nightmare^ stating his name change? |
| 21:29.02 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: no he dosn't need that yet |
| 21:29.06 | creeperz | alright |
| 21:29.16 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron: yeah it had gone way off topic |
| 21:29.33 | TheRedBaron | ok, i was trying to find what i said, and was wondering if i was hallucinating... |
| 21:29.33 | creeperz | knightmare changed his name? |
| 21:29.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:30.07 | creeperz | or are you talking about his lil buddy named ^nightmare^ ? |
| 21:30.10 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: please don't talk if you don't know anything about the subject, go read the boards and stay current if you want to discuss. |
| 21:30.10 | TheRedBaron | thought i had better change my water filter or something... |
| 21:30.14 | sgk284 | creeperz, would it matter if he did? if everyone just ignored him, perhaps he'd go away |
| 21:30.26 | creeperz | :-( |
| 21:30.41 | JeffM2501 | ohh he PMed me, after I got him for double posting, says he's a friend of KM and that I should "chill" |
| 21:30.46 | JeffM2501 | it's ether one of the 2 of them |
| 21:31.04 | menotume | hmmm, we don't talk to learn about the subject ? |
| 21:31.09 | creeperz | JeffM2501: where is the post? |
| 21:31.11 | menotume | i have it all wrong :( |
| 21:31.20 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't a post, it was a pm |
| 21:31.24 | creeperz | oh |
| 21:31.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: -poll disableKick, disableBan, disableSet, disableFlagReset boolean options |
| 21:31.32 | creeperz | i meant the name change post |
| 21:31.46 | TheRedBaron | creeperz: he just stated he deleted it! |
| 21:31.49 | creeperz | oh |
| 21:31.53 | Big_Brother | Thumper_, cods: that exposes those options. -poll disableSet=true will disable the /poll set command. |
| 21:32.00 | creeperz | all i saw was a question if he deleted it |
| 21:32.04 | creeperz | never saw a response |
| 21:32.10 | TheRedBaron | <JeffM2501> TheRedBaron: yeah it had gone way off topic |
| 21:32.14 | creeperz | oh |
| 21:32.15 | creeperz | ok |
| 21:32.25 | sgk284 | ~dtremenak++ |
| 21:33.13 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: dude at least TRY |
| 21:33.52 | TheRedBaron | so JeffM2501, give us an age guess, your good at that ;) |
| 21:34.11 | JeffM2501 | for who? |
| 21:34.13 | JeffM2501 | him |
| 21:34.17 | JeffM2501 | under 12 |
| 21:34.20 | JeffM2501 | probably 9-10 |
| 21:35.06 | Jakob | him who? |
| 21:35.14 | Jakob | me? |
| 21:36.32 | JeffM2501 | we just guess at stuff like that :) |
| 21:36.40 | Thumper_ | Big_Brother: thx |
| 21:36.57 | Big_Brother | Thumper_: np. should have been there before. |
| 21:37.15 | Jakob | guessing about me? |
| 21:37.59 | lan56 | Jakob: I have a hunch they are guessing about creeperz |
| 21:38.15 | Jakob | oh |
| 21:38.19 | Jakob | 3 |
| 21:38.19 | Jakob | :-) |
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| 21:38.42 | Thumper_ | ~dtremenak++ |
| 21:38.52 | JeffM2501 | no I know how old creeperz is |
| 21:39.22 | Jakob | That's my guess: 3 |
| 21:39.49 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501 is the man with the knowledge, cross him wrong he'll blackmail you arse to the ends of the earth :) |
| 21:40.10 | Jakob | oh dear |
| 21:40.15 | lan56 | that's a catchy jingle :) |
| 21:40.22 | Jakob | good thing he's not on! |
| 21:40.26 | JeffM2501 | blackmail? |
| 21:40.37 | JeffM2501 | why would I do that? |
| 21:40.54 | Jakob | I wasn't crossing Jeff, but i was creeperz |
| 21:41.00 | menotume | blacklist ? |
| 21:41.41 | orange | other than "roll your own with procmail" which I may, does anyone know of any software to implement email based information services like hz.com? |
| 21:41.44 | Jakob | ok, now im officially confused |
| 21:42.48 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: gotta work on you "innocent act" a little... |
| 21:43.09 | JeffM2501 | Jakob: you were unoficaly confused before? |
| 21:43.16 | Jakob | yea |
| 21:44.12 | Jakob | i have not a clue what you mean by blacklist, procmail, etc. |
| 21:45.13 | sgk284 | orange, hz.com? |
| 21:45.16 | JeffM2501 | not all things are directed at you Jakob IRC supports many things |
| 21:45.25 | Pimpinella | orange: email based information services? |
| 21:45.26 | JeffM2501 | many conversations at the same time |
| 21:45.28 | orange | sgk284: yeah, www.hz.com |
| 21:45.32 | Jakob | ok |
| 21:45.35 | sgk284 | whats it do? |
| 21:45.48 | orange | Pimpinella: right, you send email like "weather 30041" and it emails you back with weather |
| 21:45.54 | orange | like an email-based ibot |
| 21:46.42 | sgk284 | orange, if you know perl or python, itd be very easy to make one |
| 21:47.21 | orange | sgk284: agreed, I've done some simple things with perl and procmail... but security and some of the more esoteric things (like reliably parsing yellowpages output) has already been done |
| 21:47.30 | orange | I just can't make google tell me where |
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| 21:48.30 | Pimpinella | wow, now i can keep track of how much Bill Gates is worth |
| 21:48.43 | Tupone | Pimpinella: is ban fixed ? |
| 21:49.19 | Pimpinella | Tupone: i didn't build yet, had no time yet |
| 21:49.24 | orange | hz.com went down for almost a year, and when it came back up it lost many of the valuable commands :-( |
| 21:50.50 | Pimpinella | but no, i don't know a servicelike that |
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| 21:51.21 | Pimpinella | would be quite easy to make an email interface for ibot |
| 21:51.48 | orange | that's a very interesting idea |
| 21:52.02 | orange | I could check bzflag servers from my blackberry :-) |
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| 21:53.12 | TheRedBaron | orange: How's that? |
| 21:53.57 | orange | TheRedBaron: with an email interface to ibot |
| 21:54.34 | TimRiker | my thought is to add a static dcc listen port in ibot and then write a simple local client that uses that interface. |
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| 21:54.56 | TheRedBaron | hmmm I'm interested! |
| 21:55.52 | TimRiker | if the dcc comes from localhost, it would have permission to lookup usernames etc. so you could email ibot@rikers.org with a message to paste to the channel. and ibot would: |
| 21:57.04 | TimRiker | or other useful comments. |
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| 21:57.17 | orange | that would be similarly cool |
| 21:57.23 | Nidhoggr | hopefully that comment is untrue. ;) |
| 21:57.40 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: heh. entirely untrue. ;-) |
| 21:57.46 | Nidhoggr | whew |
| 21:57.51 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:57.56 | TimRiker | got your attention though. ;-) |
| 21:58.11 | Nidhoggr | it's amazing the things that make my irc client beep these days. |
| 21:58.11 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:58.35 | sgk284 | haha |
| 21:58.40 | TimRiker | the add a web scriptlet to offer a web interface to ibot as well. and might as well do pastebot support then. where you can dcc the paste if you like. ;-) |
| 21:59.10 | TimRiker | all things I'd do if I had the time. ie: I'm working towards them but slowly. |
| 21:59.33 | orange | make sure your list is always growing... if you empty your queue the game ends |
| 21:59.46 | TimRiker | I killed some of the module cruft in ibot which was a first step. next change is to get the static dcc local port, and then make things use it. ;-) |
| 22:00.06 | TimRiker | he who dies with the longest todo list wins? |
| 22:00.20 | orange | hmmm, dunno about that, mine was more philosophical in nature |
| 22:00.25 | TimRiker | heh |
| 22:00.52 | TimRiker | I have no worries at all about running out of things to do. |
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| 22:30.36 | Sbgodin | hi! |
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| 22:33.33 | jpa_ | hi Sbgodin |
| 22:33.45 | jpa_ | gnight Sbgodin |
| 22:34.55 | Sbgodin | gnight ? Not the time. |
| 22:35.10 | jpa_ | it is |
| 22:35.13 | jpa_ | 00:35 |
| 22:35.25 | Sbgodin | I see some m$win servers who does not allow global login. |
| 22:35.29 | Sbgodin | 23h35 |
| 22:36.15 | jpa_ | now.. wish me good night or i'll have nightmares ,) |
| 22:36.29 | Sbgodin | good night :-) |
| 22:36.34 | jpa_ | :) |
| 22:39.43 | Sbgodin | After all... I go to sleep. Bye. |
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| 22:41.13 | Jakob | What time is ti over there? |
| 22:42.04 | menotume | If I read the source code correctly, bzfs sends to the listsrver(s) upon startup, when a player joins, when a player leaves, and periodically in case connection is dropped. |
| 22:42.08 | menotume | Is that correct? |
| 22:44.11 | menotume | Jakob: 17:45 |
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| 22:44.41 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:45.00 | noggin | Any admins for overlord about? |
| 22:45.02 | menotume | yeah to 17:45 or the listserver ? |
| 22:45.07 | menotume | :) |
| 22:45.39 | menotume | SportChick: ping ? |
| 22:47.02 | menotume | must be dinner time noggin |
| 22:47.09 | noggin | lol. |
| 22:47.34 | noggin | Anyone know why I might not be able to connect? |
| 22:47.54 | menotume | is it 1.10.x or 2.0 ? |
| 22:48.49 | noggin | 2.0 |
| 22:49.09 | menotume | hold on - i think I may be admin there :P |
| 22:49.16 | noggin | :) |
| 22:50.12 | menotume | noggin: what is your IP (first half only will do) ? |
| 22:50.21 | *** join/#bzflag noggin (~519c87d2@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:50.23 | Pimpinella | lol |
| 22:50.29 | menotume | ahhh, hold on |
| 22:50.58 | noggin | sorry, browser freaked out on me there. IP is 81.156.135.210 |
| 22:51.07 | menotume | nope, not banned |
| 22:51.21 | noggin | Is dynamic alloc tho - changes each time I boot my router (daily) |
| 22:51.48 | Brad2901 | meno, is 69.28.*.* banned? |
| 22:51.54 | noggin | Can't connect now though. Can't even ping the box. |
| 22:52.34 | noggin | my DNS says hepcat.tybox.net is 68.185.29.18 |
| 22:52.59 | noggin | I try to ping her, and get no response |
| 22:53.09 | Pimpinella | probably on firewall level? i remember silverfox wrote about it |
| 22:53.29 | noggin | It worked last about 2 weeks ago. Since then I've been playing the two towers |
| 22:53.34 | noggin | :( |
| 22:53.39 | noggin | Not as good as Overlord. |
| 22:54.04 | Pimpinella | noggin: that means nothing, probably the server doesn't respond to pings |
| 22:54.20 | noggin | Could be |
| 22:54.39 | noggin | Can anyone who can log in ping it? |
| 22:55.19 | Pimpinella | overlord is a good map, but 6 of each is the maximum of players it can bear imho |
| 22:55.22 | noggin | dreams* I long to sit atop the high tower and rain down GMs on newbs... :) |
| 22:55.48 | srgrint | I can ping hepcat |
| 22:55.49 | Pimpinella | ping works fine for me |
| 22:56.09 | noggin | Hmm, must be my netblock is blocked in the firewall :( |
| 22:56.19 | noggin | Is there an admin email for the machine? |
| 22:56.34 | Pimpinella | hepcat has a forum |
| 22:56.46 | noggin | What is the URL? |
| 22:57.02 | Pimpinella | and the #hepcat channel, but silverfox isn't present right now |
| 22:57.25 | Brad2901 | noggin: http://hepcat.bzflag.org |
| 22:57.35 | noggin | Thanks |
| 22:57.39 | noggin | Shall post message. |
| 22:57.40 | Brad2901 | np ;) |
| 22:58.10 | Pimpinella | it's http://bzflag.hepcat.org iirc |
| 22:58.26 | Pimpinella | nite |
| 22:58.37 | Brad2901 | it's changed.. |
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| 23:11.55 | bz4084 | i have a question....... |
| 23:12.06 | JeffM2501 | shoot |
| 23:12.37 | bz4084 | when making a bzw world, i added some world weapons, i only added type v weapons, what's the other "type" ?????? |
| 23:12.45 | bz4084 | h ? |
| 23:12.57 | JeffM2501 | they are the same as the flags that have them |
| 23:13.07 | JeffM2501 | check the bzfs man page for the flag list |
| 23:13.12 | bz4084 | noh wow |
| 23:13.26 | bz4084 | wow, cool, thanks very much cuz jusy type v was boring |
| 23:13.31 | bz4084 | lol |
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| 23:14.04 | bz4084 | i gotcha, so i can have type l for lazer? type gm for guided missile eh? |
| 23:14.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:15.39 | bz4084 | goodie, gives me something to mess with for the next couple a weeks, hehehe that and suck down a few gallons of coffee...thanks much,i am modifying besslers no flags map ,adding flags with world weapons mainly in middle of map,to draw in enemies, or to hide in the mess,sound like a good idea? |
| 23:16.08 | JeffM2501 | dono, never played it |
| 23:16.41 | bz4084 | uhhhhhhh.......okay.......well, thanks........have a good one ya all |
| 23:16.45 | bz4084 | :)) |
| 23:17.29 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 23:18.02 | bz4084 | 10-4 |
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| 23:23.59 | uidzero | Anyone happen to be a FreeBSD admin running Postfix with postfixadmin? |
| 23:24.00 | uidzero | :) |
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| 23:24.42 | JeffM2501 | perhaps trying #bsd would help |
| 23:27.48 | uidzero | :) |
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| 23:33.01 | MrKinks | bang bang bang |
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| 23:38.02 | JeffM2501 | out of the woodwork today arn't they? |
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