| 00:00.02 | JeffM2501 | hmm now what linux to put on yon PC |
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| 00:39.33 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, figure out what linux to use yet? |
| 00:40.21 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 00:40.43 | JeffM2501 | put an 80 gig drive in this thing, on an IDE card |
| 00:40.50 | DTRemenak | slackware's got my vote :) |
| 00:40.51 | JeffM2501 | figured I could put something on it |
| 00:40.59 | JeffM2501 | asuming it'll boot to the drive on the card |
| 00:41.25 | JeffM2501 | at present I have no real way to test OC builds |
| 00:41.34 | JeffM2501 | tosh won't build |
| 00:41.44 | JeffM2501 | and sasami I don't want to touch |
| 00:43.45 | JeffM2501 | how was the install of slack and the ease of geting new stuff into it? |
| 00:43.50 | JeffM2501 | like packages |
| 00:44.36 | DTRemenak | I build everything from tarballs |
| 00:44.49 | DTRemenak | slack's the only distro I've found that doesn't choke when I do that |
| 00:44.57 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:45.05 | DTRemenak | everything else dies on dependencies |
| 00:45.10 | DTRemenak | it's easy, really :) |
| 00:45.20 | DTRemenak | ./configure && make && make install ... boom, it works |
| 00:45.46 | JeffM2501 | I mean ME easy |
| 00:45.53 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:46.15 | DTRemenak | if you can find slack tarballs then pkg_install works great |
| 00:46.30 | DTRemenak | and doesn't screw with stuff you've built from source |
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| 00:47.06 | DTRemenak | problem is that most projects don't bother building slack tarballs because people who use slack build from source anyway :) |
| 00:47.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm mostly woried about other libs |
| 00:47.33 | JeffM2501 | that I need |
| 00:47.36 | DTRemenak | it's really nice to be able to do a build from source of a big project without totally breaking everything |
| 00:47.36 | JeffM2501 | like DevIL |
| 00:48.26 | DTRemenak | I'm sure it'll build without a problem |
| 00:48.58 | JeffM2501 | actualy I don't want to build it, I just want stuff I build that needs it to work |
| 00:49.06 | DTRemenak | I haven't run into anything I couldn't build or had to hack around. with redhat I was always hacking build scripts to make them work |
| 00:49.20 | JeffM2501 | last I used was ubanutu |
| 00:49.25 | trepan | s/have/haven't |
| 00:49.43 | JeffM2501 | but that involved mystic sorcery |
| 00:49.46 | DTRemenak | I wasn't very impressed by debian, but I didn't use it very much |
| 00:50.08 | Pizbit | ubanutu? Ubuntu?:) |
| 00:50.11 | DTRemenak | SuSE's YaST is great for ease of use |
| 00:50.13 | JeffM2501 | whateer :) |
| 00:50.23 | DTRemenak | and it ships with everything on the planet |
| 00:51.13 | DTRemenak | but they do wierd stuff to the -dev packages...like for a long time, sdl-dev didn't include sdl-config... |
| 00:51.27 | Pizbit | doh |
| 00:51.31 | DTRemenak | that's what frustrated me. binary stuff worked great. |
| 00:51.39 | DTRemenak | building from source ended up being a pain |
| 00:53.04 | DTRemenak | I also like that slack uses entirely stock kernels...so kernel updates are truly painless. download the source tarball from kernel.org, build and install. |
| 00:53.32 | Pizbit | DTRemenak: I like how all my kernels are already ready for me:) |
| 00:53.38 | DTRemenak | having to apply all of redhat's kernel patches to avoid breaking userland programs ticked me off considerably |
| 00:54.15 | DTRemenak | Pizbit, what distro do you use? I'll see if I have anything bad to say about it :) |
| 00:54.25 | Pizbit | Ubuntu, debian based. |
| 00:54.31 | DTRemenak | ah, never used it |
| 00:54.52 | DTRemenak | I've gone to all slack and freebsd |
| 00:54.59 | DTRemenak | suits me very well |
| 00:54.59 | Pizbit | Using hoary atm, basically debian sid-ish so everything is being pushed to the latest |
| 00:55.26 | Aribeth_away | how about gentoo? |
| 00:55.35 | DTRemenak | (but I still recommend SuSE to any windows users who ask about what they should use...) |
| 00:55.43 | JeffM2501 | gentoo contantly kicks my ass |
| 00:55.48 | Pizbit | Heh |
| 00:55.58 | Pizbit | Gentoo isn't that bad if you don't mind waiting a while. |
| 00:56.09 | DTRemenak | I've honestly never used it for long |
| 00:56.11 | Aribeth_away | i have it running on an ultra 80 |
| 00:56.48 | wegstar | about the bzfs I had compiled Global Login |
| 00:56.53 | wegstar | works |
| 00:56.58 | Aribeth_away | it has its quirks, but it works good |
| 00:56.59 | wegstar | drat |
| 00:57.14 | wegstar | but it kicks me off |
| 00:57.22 | wegstar | ther server, that is |
| 00:57.33 | wegstar | even though I am identified |
| 00:59.07 | shorty114 | hi Aribeth |
| 00:59.25 | Aribeth | hi shorty114 |
| 01:00.29 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak: scorch is [--] far away from that 3rd ban list you mentioned. |
| 01:01.02 | DTRemenak | he's lucky I let you deal with that :) |
| 01:01.34 | JeffM2501 | I know he's REALY young, but there is a point where you jsut can't deal with it anymore |
| 01:04.08 | JeffM2501 | oh How I wish I could re-enable the "asshat" rank |
| 01:04.13 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
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| 01:04.53 | JeffM2501 | tho "wants a cool title far too badly"is still viable |
| 01:07.05 | wegstar | the bzfs in the windows installer does not allow global login.... |
| 01:07.27 | DTRemenak | wegstar, yes it does |
| 01:07.34 | wegstar | for me.. no |
| 01:07.41 | DTRemenak | ok...for you, maybe not :) |
| 01:07.44 | wegstar | but the one I compiled does |
| 01:07.46 | DTRemenak | but I know it does because I used it :) |
| 01:07.50 | wegstar | oh |
| 01:07.54 | wegstar | ? |
| 01:08.23 | DTRemenak | yeah, when whoever it was (maybe you) first started claiming that it didn't work in windows, I copied over my config files from my bsd server and tested it |
| 01:08.23 | wegstar | now this one I have now does not allow me to spawn |
| 01:08.40 | wegstar | yeah.. ;) |
| 01:08.50 | JeffM2501 | *cough*proxy |
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| 01:10.35 | wegstar | ~bzfquery node.game-server.cc:5154 |
| 01:10.52 | wegstar | anyone care going there? |
| 01:12.05 | DTRemenak | hm, kicks when I try to spawn |
| 01:12.09 | JeffM2501 | says server not found |
| 01:12.14 | wegstar | yeah... |
| 01:12.32 | DTRemenak | do you have an entry for "EVERYONE" in your groups file? |
| 01:12.57 | DTRemenak | if not, good...if so, make sure they have SPAWN :) |
| 01:13.08 | wegstar | ah.. ok |
| 01:13.18 | DTRemenak | if it's not there they'll have it by default |
| 01:14.34 | wegstar | after all these months... :) |
| 01:15.18 | wegstar | screw the installer ;) |
| 01:17.27 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 01:37.45 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (29 files in 7 dirs): |
| 01:37.45 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: - Added automatic texture downloading with caching and optional |
| 01:37.45 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: auto-updates (also plan on adding a couple of menu items to control it) |
| 01:37.45 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: - Local control of access to texture download servers. |
| 01:37.45 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: - Added ability to stop texture and map downloads with ESC key |
| 01:37.52 | trepan | oops, forgot to mention the part about peekEvent() |
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| 01:38.43 | shorty114 | hi SportChick |
| 01:38.51 | trepan | p.s. please try the "Texture Testing" server first before mod'ing DownloadAccess.txt (to see if the messages "feel" right) |
| 01:39.18 | sgk284 | hey sporty |
| 01:39.33 | sgk284 | trepan, is there a test server up? |
| 01:40.10 | trepan | yup, trepan.homelinux.net "Texture Testing" |
| 01:40.31 | sgk284 | :) |
| 01:42.58 | SportChick | hi shorty |
| 01:43.49 | sgk284 | hey sporty! |
| 01:44.27 | SportChick | hi steve |
| 01:44.36 | sgk284 | how goes it? |
| 01:48.02 | Aribeth | hi SportChick |
| 01:49.16 | SportChick | hi ari |
| 01:49.31 | SportChick | sgk284: good - just walked back in the door from Palm Springs and am culling through emails |
| 01:50.29 | sgk284 | awesome! how was it? |
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| 01:55.13 | SportChick | sgk284: it was really fun! There were four couples from my church there (us included) - we all were married within about 15 months of one another and are great friends. Funny though - we got in trouble last night - we were playing spoons (very loudly) at around 12:30 or so and someone complained about the noise. :( |
| 01:56.28 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:57.14 | Aribeth | nthats beter |
| 01:58.48 | shorty114 | rofl |
| 01:59.09 | sgk284 | heh |
| 01:59.19 | sgk284 | trepan, every singly download failed :/ |
| 01:59.27 | sgk284 | and each one took forever to time out :/ |
| 02:01.46 | SportChick | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 02:01.47 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #brlcad #bzflag. Has said a total of 119 messages. Is idling for 10h 7m 25s |
| 02:02.32 | shorty114 | wow 10 hours |
| 02:06.20 | trepan | sgk284: except for the first earth.png download (the first time)? |
| 02:07.52 | trepan | DTRemenak: excellent :) now for the windows folks... |
| 02:10.59 | wegstar | hehe |
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| 02:36.24 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/game/BzMaterial.cxx: oops, setup the local texture name |
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| 02:38.29 | DTRemenak | trepan, at the risk of sounding dumb, how do you use this on a map? I can't seem to find the code that does it and it doesn't seem to be documented, but maybe I'm just blind... |
| 02:39.01 | DTRemenak | can you just specify "texture http://here.tld/this.png"? |
| 02:39.25 | sgk284 | trepan, i thought earth.png d/led but apparently it didnt if all i was seeing was white marble looking stuff |
| 02:39.42 | trepan | DTRemenak: you try saving the map? |
| 02:40.00 | trepan | ex: texture http://trepan.bzflag.bz/earth.png |
| 02:40.02 | DTRemenak | trepan, I didn't want to kill your server :) |
| 02:40.03 | MeBigFatGuy | spoons :) |
| 02:40.10 | DTRemenak | ok, cool |
| 02:40.33 | DTRemenak | so my blind guess would have been right... :) |
| 02:40.46 | DTRemenak | imagine that, a logical feature |
| 02:40.49 | trepan | sgk284: ya, it's supposed to be colored |
| 02:41.16 | trepan | ftp:// should work too, haven't have the opportunity to try it |
| 02:41.24 | doughecka_ | how do I specify -set _disableBots true and things like that in a config file? my server appears to not like that... |
| 02:42.20 | doughecka_ | cant seem to find that kind of info in the wiki... |
| 02:48.28 | JeffM2501 | -vars somevarsfile.txt |
| 02:48.36 | JeffM2501 | then put all your vars in the file |
| 02:50.08 | doughecka_ | ah |
| 02:50.29 | doughecka_ | so the vars cannot be included with the .bzw file as its saved out of bzflag... |
| 02:51.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah the client dosn't know the ones that were set, just all of them |
| 02:51.40 | JeffM2501 | but you can put them in the map, and the server will read them too |
| 02:51.56 | doughecka_ | oh.. |
| 02:52.11 | doughecka_ | Unknown BZDB variable: _disableBots |
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| 02:52.17 | doughecka_ | thats if I leave it in the bzw file |
| 02:52.53 | wegstar | screw windows! crashed when there were a lot of people on my server :( |
| 02:55.00 | trepan | doughecka_: that's been fixed in CVS, it wasn't included in the global vars list |
| 02:55.38 | doughecka_ | ah, sweet |
| 02:59.48 | trepan | ftp:// works, but apparently either the imaging scaling or PNG loader is lacking |
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| 03:37.44 | doughecka_ | will maps from pre-2 servers work on 2.0 servers? |
| 03:38.08 | trepan | yes |
| 03:38.40 | doughecka_ | cool |
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| 04:07.44 | sgk284 | ping DTRemenak |
| 04:07.47 | DTRemenak | pong |
| 04:07.58 | sgk284 | what libcurl version you running? |
| 04:08.12 | DTRemenak | bash-2.05b# curl-config --version |
| 04:08.13 | DTRemenak | libcurl 7.12.0 |
| 04:08.32 | sgk284 | thanks |
| 04:08.47 | DTRemenak | np :) |
| 04:08.59 | sgk284 | my texture downlaoding isnt working :( |
| 04:09.03 | sgk284 | i'm 7.12.3 |
| 04:09.07 | DTRemenak | hmm, why not? |
| 04:09.08 | sgk284 | trepan is 7.11.2 |
| 04:09.34 | sgk284 | error 18, keeps saying partial file downloaded |
| 04:09.40 | sgk284 | thing is, 0 |
| 04:09.43 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 04:09.45 | sgk284 | 0% is downloaded |
| 04:09.51 | sgk284 | not even partial:) |
| 04:09.55 | DTRemenak | can you get http://trepan.bzflag.bz/earth.png in a web browser? |
| 04:10.53 | sgk284 | yep |
| 04:12.01 | DTRemenak | if you do "curl http://trepan.bzflag.bz/earth.png > earth.png" does earth.png come through? |
| 04:13.30 | sgk284 | yep:) |
| 04:13.38 | sgk284 | full file |
| 04:14.02 | DTRemenak | ok, then it's bzflag's problem :) |
| 04:14.08 | sgk284 | :) |
| 04:14.34 | DTRemenak | we've just completed "Step 1: Try to Blame Someone Else" |
| 04:14.46 | sgk284 | heh |
| 04:15.31 | DTRemenak | now it's a much more interesting problem :) |
| 04:15.41 | trepan | sgk284: try putting a 'return false;' at the top of getFileTime() |
| 04:16.03 | Tegan | the world file refers to the texture by url; local copy cannot be used (?) |
| 04:16.07 | trepan | also, removing the CURLOPT_FILETIME lines might be worth trying |
| 04:16.20 | trepan | Tegan: local textures still work |
| 04:17.15 | trepan | Tegan: there's also a caching system like browsers use to speed things up |
| 04:18.34 | Tegan | it's not sufficient to copy the earth.png to local datadirectory? |
| 04:19.01 | trepan | not the map that i've got up right now |
| 04:19.06 | trepan | s/not/not with |
| 04:20.10 | Tegan | ok thanks |
| 04:20.16 | Shopgirl | hehe |
| 04:20.39 | sgk284 | trepan, that did the trick |
| 04:20.43 | sgk284 | the globe looks awesome btw |
| 04:21.17 | trepan | sgk284: ya, but auto-updating won't work for you like that |
| 04:21.23 | trepan | which of the 2 changes did it? |
| 04:21.27 | sgk284 | maybe something to do with: // FIXME: This could block for a _long_ time. |
| 04:21.28 | trepan | could you isolate? |
| 04:21.35 | sgk284 | cause it was blocking for a long time:) |
| 04:21.40 | sgk284 | assumgin 20 seconds is a long time:) |
| 04:21.47 | sgk284 | i'll see what i can do:) |
| 04:22.02 | sgk284 | i uncommented return false at the beginning |
| 04:22.17 | trepan | nope, it shouldn't be specific to curl_easy_perform(), that's neceassary |
| 04:22.53 | sgk284 | k |
| 04:24.37 | sgk284 | trepan, how do i clear out the cache? when i retested it just flew past all the files... |
| 04:24.50 | trepan | rm -r ~/.bzf/cache/* |
| 04:25.20 | trepan | could you also try changing: 'CURLOPT_NOBODY, 0)' to 'CURLOPT_HTTPGET, 1)' |
| 04:25.26 | trepan | (but with the other changes reverted) |
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| 04:26.54 | sgk284 | the error comes before the FIX ME comment, i placed return false right before it... however by placing return false right before it, it failed quickly rahter then waiting for 20 or so seconds |
| 04:27.03 | sgk284 | trying it before NOBODY |
| 04:27.33 | trepan | sgk284: it's most like a CURLOPT_ setting causing the prob |
| 04:28.03 | trepan | the fact that the error only shows up on curl_easy_perform() makes sense |
| 04:28.12 | trepan | i'm guessing that it's only getting the header |
| 04:33.20 | sgk284 | trepan: result = curl_easy_setopt((CURL*)easyHandle, CURLOPT_URL, URL.c_str()); |
| 04:33.23 | sgk284 | thats the line right there |
| 04:34.57 | trepan | did you try reverting all of the other changes and doing 'CURLOPT_NOBODY, 0)' to 'CURLOPT_HTTPGET, 1)' ? |
| 04:37.36 | sgk284 | trying now |
| 04:37.42 | sgk284 | changed it in 2 places |
| 04:38.51 | trepan | why? |
| 04:40.01 | trepan | ...mentionned the '0)' and '1)' to be specific =) |
| 04:41.05 | sgk284 | ~trepan++ |
| 04:41.09 | sgk284 | that took care of it |
| 04:41.25 | trepan | so changed it it one place? |
| 04:41.32 | sgk284 | 2 |
| 04:41.45 | trepan | that's messed up |
| 04:41.45 | sgk284 | unless i changed the line numbers by my editing... 139 and 101 |
| 04:42.20 | trepan | i was hoping for 139, could you revert 101 and try again? |
| 04:42.28 | sgk284 | sure |
| 04:46.24 | sgk284 | hrmm it seemed to just kind of freeze me up, but that wouldnt make sense... so i'm trying again |
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| 04:47.43 | jpa_ | ~weather EFTU |
| 04:48.42 | jpa_ | evil wind |
| 04:55.22 | SportChick | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 04:55.32 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #brlcad #bzflag. Has said a total of 119 messages. Is idling for 13h 1m 10s |
| 04:56.02 | jpa_ | morning SportChick |
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| 04:57.29 | walkingmac | hi all |
| 04:58.11 | walkingmac | humm... anyone in? |
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| 04:59.57 | MeBigFatGuy | nope |
| 05:00.05 | creeperz | who here can help me with a windows XP problem? |
| 05:00.42 | creeperz | my paging file got reset to 100 MB and i reset it |
| 05:00.51 | creeperz | but it wont load anything properly now |
| 05:01.29 | MeBigFatGuy | put paging file on another disk if you have one |
| 05:01.33 | MeBigFatGuy | then switch it back |
| 05:02.38 | shorty114 | what's a paging file? |
| 05:02.52 | MeBigFatGuy | how virtual memory is implemented |
| 05:02.53 | creeperz | swap file |
| 05:02.55 | jpa_ | swap |
| 05:03.00 | shorty114 | oh |
| 05:03.07 | shorty114 | i don't use winders, obviously :) |
| 05:03.07 | creeperz | brb |
| 05:03.23 | jpa_ | shorty114: so you have paging partition :) |
| 05:03.50 | shorty114 | ah |
| 05:04.02 | shorty114 | it's the equivilent of a linux swap partition |
| 05:04.13 | jpa_ | yes |
| 05:04.19 | shorty114 | cool. |
| 05:04.48 | jpa_ | not so cool in windows... it is very bad at using swap |
| 05:04.57 | jpa_ | (imho) |
| 05:05.35 | jpa_ | or might be just windows programs that tend to wake up from time to time |
| 05:05.59 | jpa_ | in linux other programs sit nicely in swap when i use one :) |
| 05:07.03 | shorty114 | that's cuz linux owns winblows. |
| 05:13.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/URLManager.cxx: |
| 05:13.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: - reset the CURL's HEAD->GET state two differents ways |
| 05:13.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: (7.11.2 likes CURLOPT_NOBODY, 7.12.3 likes CURLOPT_HTTPGET) |
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| 05:26.31 | creeperz | ohhh |
| 05:26.40 | creeperz | it feels soo good for stuff to actually start |
| 05:34.14 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 06:04.33 | SportChick | morning jpa_ |
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| 08:26.00 | bznoggin | Is anyone else having trouble connecting to overlord/hepcat over the last few days? |
| 08:27.23 | bznoggin | I saw talk here last week about an IP block for a range of IPs - wondering if I might be an innocent victim of such a block (IP now 81.156.134.144) |
| 08:36.33 | trepan_away | bznoggin: doesn't look like you on the ban list |
| 08:47.30 | bznoggin | It's weird. I can't connect. hepcat.tybox.net:5156 (Overlord 2.0), callsign Noggin |
| 08:51.01 | bznoggin | I can't even ping hepcat.tybox.net (My DNS server gives me IP=68.185.29.18) |
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| 10:06.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (10 files in 4 dirs): |
| 10:06.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: - added a cache control menu |
| 10:06.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: - added in-game texture updating |
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| 10:19.40 | Pimpinella | trepan: what is in-game texture updating? |
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| 10:39.27 | trepan | Pimpinella: you can reload the textures from the web while playing |
| 10:39.39 | trepan | s/reload/update |
| 10:39.54 | trepan | it's based on timestamps |
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| 10:50.58 | cristi | help!! |
| 10:51.11 | cristi | lol |
| 10:51.14 | cristi | haha |
| 10:51.21 | cristi | testing |
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| 11:45.35 | bomber | where is ducati? |
| 11:46.59 | Chestal | 2.0? updating |
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| 11:52.49 | bomber | still ??? :o) |
| 11:55.18 | ToughShooter | I've seen ducati on the 2.0 list a few days ago but now I don't find it |
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| 11:56.00 | Chestal | should be back |
| 12:11.40 | Pimpinella | was searching for a new isp, and found an interesting product. i asked for an ip to test ping times and the box that ip is connected to shares the same C-net;) |
| 12:11.52 | Pimpinella | as my current server |
| 12:12.01 | Pimpinella | connected to the same router |
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| 12:22.48 | ToughShooter | Pimpi: Where is the server? |
| 12:27.41 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: Can you show me that product please? |
| 12:29.00 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery |
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| 13:00.44 | cods | ToughShooter: you probably want ~bzflist |
| 13:01.05 | ToughShooter | ~bzflist |
| 13:01.14 | ToughShooter | ~cods++ |
| 13:01.22 | ToughShooter | thanks |
| 13:01.53 | Birdie | ~karma cods |
| 13:01.53 | ibot | cods has karma of 13 |
| 13:01.56 | Birdie | wow |
| 13:02.14 | ToughShooter | 13 more than /me |
| 13:02.35 | Birdie | 14 more than me:) |
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| 13:44.00 | bomber | lol |
| 13:44.23 | bomber | ~karma Birdie |
| 13:44.23 | ibot | birdie has karma of -1 |
| 13:44.47 | bomber | ~karma Birdie++ |
| 13:44.47 | ibot | birdie++ has neutral karma |
| 13:45.43 | Birdie | i like bomber:) |
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| 14:15.56 | jomojo | ~karma jomojo |
| 14:15.56 | ibot | jomojo has neutral karma |
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| 14:50.19 | jpa_ | ibot CIA-5 |
| 14:50.28 | jpa_ | CIA-5: version? |
| 14:50.35 | jpa_ | lame bots :/ |
| 14:50.49 | jpa_ | oh, whois :) |
| 14:58.56 | Birdie | bots are cool if they work |
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| 15:14.01 | SportChick | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 15:14.03 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #brlcad #bzflag. Has said a total of 119 messages. Is idling for 23h 19m 41s |
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| 17:12.30 | bz4563 | hi why bzflag cant run on my mac, (G4/450 studio display) 22") |
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| 18:03.52 | jpa_ | ~weather EFTU |
| 18:04.19 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 18:04.30 | jpa_ | is that really _from_ NE |
| 18:04.58 | jpa_ | it is to NE it feels.. |
| 18:05.14 | jpa_ | while i'm not sure, been inside for five hours |
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| 18:17.13 | jpa_ | llalal |
| 18:17.21 | jpa_ | happy valentine people <3 |
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| 18:43.54 | Noodle-sensei | jpa_: it would be happier if i had a valentine ;-; |
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| 18:48.29 | jpa_ | Noodle-sensei: you would have a valentine if you didn't live so far |
| 18:49.11 | Noodle-sensei | hehe |
| 18:55.38 | Tupone | TimRiker: I think e-mail does not work on the wiki. |
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| 19:01.40 | gina | how to increase wing jumps |
| 19:02.24 | gina | ? |
| 19:04.13 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.37 | gina | dont know |
| 19:04.42 | gina | in bzfs options? |
| 19:05.07 | Tupone | in the world |
| 19:05.12 | Tupone | or within the game |
| 19:05.22 | gina | world |
| 19:05.43 | jpa_ | -set _wingsJumpCount 500000 |
| 19:05.44 | TimRiker | Tupone: it only seems to work to *@users.sf.net addresses. |
| 19:05.50 | gina | thanks jpa_ |
| 19:06.17 | Tupone | TimRiker: ok. I use that address then |
| 19:06.44 | Tupone | TimRiker: I wrote an EndShot section on wiki. Comment (not too much) are welcome |
| 19:06.50 | gina | where's the -set option list? |
| 19:07.27 | Tupone | gina download a world, like secretplace one |
| 19:07.43 | jpa_ | or in the conf file |
| 19:07.50 | jpa_ | or in the commandline |
| 19:08.40 | gina | no I mean the list of possible options |
| 19:08.49 | jpa_ | oh |
| 19:08.56 | jpa_ | do /set in the game |
| 19:09.00 | gina | ahh |
| 19:09.01 | jpa_ | it will give some list |
| 19:10.05 | Grumbler | gina, http://bzflag.org/wiki/ look at the sections under admins, not sure if all the variables have been updated, but most are there |
| 19:10.37 | gina | ok tx:) |
| 19:10.46 | TimRiker | Grumbler: you likely meant to include a pagename in that url... |
| 19:11.22 | TimRiker | http://bzflag.org/wiki/ServerVariables perhaps? |
| 19:11.46 | Grumbler | TimRiker< the info was spilt between server variables and server commands.....i didnt want to exclude one or the other and didnt want to paster two links |
| 19:13.50 | Grumbler | jpa_ , i have tried that /set thing and have not gotten a list of possible variables...just an error message....it might be a windows thing, but it didnt work for me |
| 19:21.01 | jpa_ | were you connected to a server? |
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| 19:29.35 | Grumbler | yes, it just returned an error....it might be client or something, but it didnt work the way you and Nidhoggr have seen. i was admin and everything. |
| 19:31.06 | jpa_ | and bare /set.. nothing else |
| 19:31.26 | Grumbler | yep |
| 19:31.40 | Grumbler | i tried with and without spaces |
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| 19:33.20 | Grumbler | now it could be several things, my sourceforge generic client didnt get some variable set during build for windows, two, i have some garbage setting here, three the server i was connected to at the time might not have some setting, or was built incorrectly |
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| 19:33.49 | TimRiker | Grumbler: I updated http://bzflag.org/wiki/ServerVariables to be in wiki format and linked the two. |
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| 19:35.33 | Grumbler | TimRiker< whats the -1.#QNAN suppose to indicate? |
| 19:40.53 | TimRiker | Grumbler: no idea. |
| 19:41.48 | Grumbler | TimRiker< cool, at least it is not just me |
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| 20:08.24 | DTRemenak | Grumbler, that indicates that it's undefined. |
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| 20:10.08 | zimnyx | hi:) |
| 20:10.57 | DTRemenak | hi |
| 20:12.15 | zimnyx | my new bzflag ver 2.0.0.20050118 has some silly behaviour. when i enter server on which i'm lagged very much game becomes 10 times slower, i evec can;t access menu immediately ;/ |
| 20:12.20 | zimnyx | and next thing.. can i sort server list by ping time? |
| 20:12.50 | zimnyx | do you have such problems? |
| 20:12.55 | Nidhoggr | well, I email btopenworld, and they said if we had logs of the cheater guy, they'd pursue action against him. |
| 20:13.31 | DTRemenak | zimnyx, what kind of video card do you have? |
| 20:13.46 | DTRemenak | and no, you can't sort the server by ping time, although that's been requested multiple times |
| 20:13.53 | DTRemenak | just hasn't been written yet |
| 20:14.06 | Grumbler | DTRemenak< i assume you are talking about the -1.#QNAN0 stuff not the /set stuff |
| 20:14.13 | DTRemenak | Nidhoggr, I'm sure someone has logs of it |
| 20:14.17 | DTRemenak | Grumbler, yes |
| 20:14.35 | DTRemenak | Nidhoggr, unfortunately (fortunately? you decide) he never joined my servers |
| 20:14.49 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:14.49 | zimnyx | DTRemenak: nvidia GeForce 2MX 200 |
| 20:15.02 | Grumbler | can i edit that to unknown, or blank....the -1.#QNAN0 is confusing.....and if i can, where do i log in, and what should i use to edit it? |
| 20:15.02 | Nidhoggr | I have logs, probably. |
| 20:15.03 | DTRemenak | zimnyx, make sure "Depth Buffer" is on |
| 20:15.04 | orange | Nidhoggr: check with silverfox |
| 20:15.06 | orange | for more |
| 20:15.09 | Nidhoggr | ok |
| 20:15.16 | DTRemenak | Grumbler, it's been changed in cvs |
| 20:15.26 | Grumbler | all i need is cvs access then. |
| 20:15.35 | DTRemenak | you've got that |
| 20:17.12 | amathis | hi Nidhoggr . |
| 20:17.13 | zimnyx | DTRemenak: dept buffer is on. what connection do you see between lagging and totally slowing down (accessing menu takes me 30second when i enter server on which i have large lags like 5sec)? |
| 20:17.20 | Nidhoggr | hi amathis |
| 20:17.27 | Nidhoggr | I'm thinking about your request. |
| 20:17.31 | Nidhoggr | I've been super busy. |
| 20:17.41 | DTRemenak | zimnyx, usually it's the other way around. low framerates cause high lag |
| 20:17.49 | TimRiker | Grumbler: I'd like wegster to comment on the QNAN0 stuff as he did the original page iirc. |
| 20:18.35 | TimRiker | er wegstar |
| 20:18.58 | Grumbler | ok |
| 20:19.02 | zimnyx | DTRemenak: oh i see. it can be a reason. |
| 20:19.09 | DTRemenak | so if you have high lag and low framerates, the cause is probably the low framerate, not the high lag |
| 20:19.40 | DTRemenak | do you lag most on huge/complex maps, or have you noticed? |
| 20:19.51 | zimnyx | yep |
| 20:19.55 | zimnyx | on huge |
| 20:20.04 | DTRemenak | yeah...then your problem is framerate |
| 20:20.21 | DTRemenak | try turning off shadows and/or lighting |
| 20:20.35 | DTRemenak | depth buffer is on, that's good |
| 20:21.14 | DTRemenak | also try turning smoothing off |
| 20:22.22 | blast007 | might also be the radar rendering slowing it down |
| 20:22.33 | DTRemenak | ah, that's true |
| 20:22.37 | jpa_ | smoothing, shadows, lighting, resolution, radar, textures |
| 20:22.39 | orange | really? |
| 20:22.45 | orange | I didn't know radar was slow at all |
| 20:23.01 | DTRemenak | radar is cpu-bound |
| 20:23.12 | DTRemenak | the other stuff tends to be gpu-bound |
| 20:23.15 | jpa_ | orange: on un-split olympic map, software rendering, i was having like 15fps without radar and 7 with radar |
| 20:23.34 | jpa_ | while, olympic map is really radar-intensive |
| 20:23.45 | orange | wow, that's surprising |
| 20:23.49 | DTRemenak | if your cpu is being used for something else (like...sound), then radar will be what drops your framerates most |
| 20:23.51 | jpa_ | lot of objects, many of which get clipped out-of-the-view |
| 20:24.03 | orange | makes sense |
| 20:24.36 | blast007 | there's the "fast" radar rendering mode that helps boost FPS on some maps |
| 20:26.08 | jpa_ | not on olympics |
| 20:26.24 | jpa_ | it is even slower there, even with h/w rendering |
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| 20:38.01 | zimnyx | how can i see FPP ? |
| 20:38.50 | JeffM2501 | is it time to go home yet? |
| 20:40.41 | zimnyx | i mean FPS |
| 20:40.53 | Grumbler | hit the letter "t" |
| 20:41.57 | zimnyx | thx |
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| 20:56.42 | RC_cola | ~seen Chikorita |
| 20:56.44 | ibot | chikorita is currently on #bzflag (6m 47s) |
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| 20:57.03 | stevek | g' day |
| 20:57.07 | RC_cola | hi |
| 20:57.17 | Birdie | the command to ghost some one on irc? |
| 20:57.38 | RC_cola | lemme try |
| 20:57.48 | RC_cola | im good at guessing ;) |
| 20:58.16 | RC_cola | yay =D |
| 20:58.35 | RC_cola | i gues it worked heehe |
| 20:58.39 | Birdie | :) |
| 21:00.44 | RC_cola | ~d |
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| 21:01.18 | aneesh | hey guys its "qwerty" |
| 21:01.29 | aneesh | i have a map |
| 21:01.37 | aneesh | i dont have a server |
| 21:01.48 | aneesh | what happens now? |
| 21:02.27 | aneesh | would anyone like to see my map |
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| 21:20.53 | zimnyx | can i play on old bzflag servers using 2.0 client? |
| 21:21.30 | Grumbler | zimnyx< no |
| 21:22.21 | zimnyx | :( i liked pieintheky.kick-ass.org a lot. |
| 21:22.51 | zimnyx | there;s such map for 2.0 but hard to find some oponents |
| 21:22.52 | Grumbler | you can install both versions |
| 21:23.34 | Grumbler | well, that may not be true for linux,etc, but for windows there isnt any issue..... |
| 21:24.07 | zimnyx | for linux it;s possible too, but i's rather use packaged stuff (debian) |
| 21:24.17 | Grumbler | i think the only issue with nix, is that it installs as bzflag, not bzflag-2.0 with a link....so i think the installed binaries get over-written |
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| 21:40.02 | stevek | darn core dumps.... |
| 21:44.56 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: ping |
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| 21:46.14 | Pimpinella | Grumbler: i usually configure with --program-suffix="2" |
| 21:49.55 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: pong |
| 21:50.02 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 21:50.32 | Pimpinella | we were talking about initGrups lately, do you remember? |
| 21:50.57 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: so I've been thinking... if default groups were pre-defined and permissions allowed -SPAWN that would be nice to have. |
| 21:52.04 | Pimpinella | not sure whats your point... |
| 21:52.05 | TimRiker | so I could just have EVERYONE: -SPAWN and VERIFIED: +SPAWN and lines that don't start with + or - are replacements. |
| 21:53.26 | Pimpinella | you mean adding support for + and - operators to groups? |
| 21:53.30 | TimRiker | would be best imho if the *reference entries were processed after _all_ groups were loaded. but that might be more effort than it's worth. |
| 21:53.44 | Pimpinella | alter groups instead of replacing tham? |
| 21:53.47 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: nod. thinking about your typical admin issues. |
| 21:53.50 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: nod |
| 21:54.11 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: thoughts? |
| 21:55.15 | Pimpinella | yeah, that would be possible |
| 21:55.34 | Pimpinella | would need a second run on the file |
| 21:55.35 | TimRiker | you had other thoughts in this area? |
| 21:56.13 | Pimpinella | first run only read perms, in the second only references |
| 21:56.49 | Pimpinella | well, i had other plans for + ;) |
| 21:56.50 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: for references? perhaps. I had not thought through how to code that. as I mentioned might be more trouble than it's worth. |
| 21:57.01 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: hit me |
| 21:58.19 | Pimpinella | i told you, that want to improve setperms, so i was planning to use a syntax like setperms +apple +pear to allow setting of those 2 groups |
| 21:58.57 | Pimpinella | still setperms _without_ any arguments could behave like it does now |
| 21:59.17 | Pimpinella | but i could use any other operator for that, e.g. & |
| 21:59.21 | TimRiker | so give me an example full line with that... |
| 22:00.36 | Pimpinella | COPS: *TRUSTED BAN KICK UNBAN SETPERM +TRUSTED |
| 22:00.57 | Pimpinella | COPS: *TRUSTED BAN KICK UNBAN SETPERMS +TRUSTED |
| 22:01.04 | Pimpinella | like that |
| 22:01.36 | Pimpinella | cops would be allowed to add players to trusted, but to no othr group |
| 22:01.53 | TimRiker | well, first, I'm not clear if that allows them to setperm themselves cause they are sorta in trusted |
| 22:02.12 | TimRiker | but after that.... what about just SETPERMS:TRUSTED ? |
| 22:02.32 | TimRiker | or SETPERMS.TRUSTED ? |
| 22:03.29 | Pimpinella | yes, also possible, just, that you would have to write the SETPERMS for every group, but that shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:03.58 | Pimpinella | at least easier to parse |
| 22:04.05 | TimRiker | true, but it means that you would see them ina permslist in that format which makes sense when you read it. |
| 22:05.13 | TimRiker | could get complex someday.... KICK.!VERIFIED =) |
| 22:05.20 | trepan | SETPERMS(blah blah blah) |
| 22:06.14 | Pimpinella | SETPERMS(blah,blah,blah) |
| 22:06.20 | TimRiker | EVERYONE: KICK.!VERIFIED ;-) |
| 22:06.48 | TimRiker | perhaps safer VERIFIED: KICK.!VERIFIED |
| 22:06.56 | Pimpinella | with additional operators it becomes sexy, indeed |
| 22:07.36 | TimRiker | COPS: KICK.!ADMIN |
| 22:08.16 | Pimpinella | i don't think we want that at this point ;) |
| 22:08.29 | Pimpinella | one step after another |
| 22:08.51 | Thumper_ | have there been any CVS changes for polling since release that fixes server crashes? |
| 22:09.03 | TimRiker | could work to do references in order and just keep a bit on each group that says "someone used me as a reference" and then warn/die if it gets defined after being referenced. |
| 22:09.43 | Thumper_ | and is the current CVS bzfs still compatible with the 2.0.0 bzflag client ? I haven't done a cvs update recently |
| 22:09.46 | TimRiker | Thumper_: there was a player reference fix (well, hack) that could effect polling. |
| 22:10.22 | Pimpinella | Thumper_: works fine for me |
| 22:10.25 | Thumper_ | lots of people are polling to change stuff on one of my servers and it is crashing sometimes |
| 22:10.33 | TimRiker | Thumper_: yes. current cvs bzfs is compatible with 2.0.0 clients. some local config changes though. and 2.0.0 clients won't handle the new dynamic textures. |
| 22:10.44 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 22:10.45 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 22:11.12 | TimRiker | Thumper_: you use -requireindentify? |
| 22:11.17 | Thumper_ | no |
| 22:11.31 | TimRiker | you use groupdb ? |
| 22:11.40 | Thumper_ | yes |
| 22:11.44 | Thumper_ | I think :) |
| 22:11.53 | Thumper_ | group file, user file, banfile |
| 22:12.26 | TimRiker | add the SPAWN permission if you have an EVERYONE group. other than that things should just work. |
| 22:12.37 | Thumper_ | ok thanks |
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| 22:12.54 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: or having a note for unsolved references and cycle on the file until all are solved, and only die if # cycles couldn't fix it to prevent an endless loop |
| 22:12.57 | TimRiker | trepan: what happens on old clients if the server has dynamic textures? |
| 22:13.03 | stevek | TimRiker, just read the last few lines... something wrong with spawn? |
| 22:13.28 | stevek | TimRiker, older clients ignore the data |
| 22:13.30 | Pimpinella | stevek: there's a new SPAWN permissiom |
| 22:13.33 | trepan | they use the "mesh" texture, like any other missing texture |
| 22:13.39 | stevek | Pimpinella, yea i coded it |
| 22:13.39 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: too much hassle. just define them in order and warn or error if they are not in order. |
| 22:13.44 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 22:13.50 | trepan | and they get a "could not load texture" message |
| 22:13.51 | stevek | Pimpinella, wondering if there is something wrong with it :) |
| 22:13.57 | TimRiker | trepan: k |
| 22:14.37 | stevek | TimRiker, btw i think kick.!admin would be awesome :) |
| 22:14.46 | stevek | heh |
| 22:14.49 | TimRiker | =) |
| 22:15.36 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: just another thing, you mentionedthere would be a memory leakage in the way i altered initGroups() |
| 22:16.08 | Pimpinella | was thinking all day, and after that i just don't think so, could you explain? |
| 22:20.55 | TimRiker | when it does a groupAccess[name] = info; I was thinking that's a pointer assignment. |
| 22:21.20 | TimRiker | hmm. it there a copy method for PlayerAccessInfo? |
| 22:21.36 | Pimpinella | no, dfault copy constructor |
| 22:23.42 | TimRiker | so then it does groupAccess[name] = info; and there is already a groupAccess[name] what happens to the old one? |
| 22:24.10 | Pimpinella | it's just an assignment imho |
| 22:24.49 | Pimpinella | info gets assigned to the object stored in groupAccess |
| 22:26.37 | Pimpinella | would have to look at the implementation of std::map |
| 22:28.06 | Pimpinella | but anyway, worst case is that the destructor for the stored object is called and the new is copied into it, would be a bug in map alse, no? |
| 22:28.13 | JeffM2501 | maps rock |
| 22:32.32 | JeffM2501 | Tim it'll kill the old copy and replace it with a new one |
| 22:33.15 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: sounds right. again, I was thinking it held pointers and that the destructor would not be called. but I see that reload just just a groupAccess.clear() and does not walk the list first, so the map should call the destructor. |
| 22:33.37 | TimRiker | s/just just/just calls/ |
| 22:33.58 | cods | a[b]=c only involve copy operator, and eventually constructor for default value of a[b] if it doesn't already exist., |
| 22:34.24 | cods | so, with default copy operator, it's overwrite the old value. |
| 22:34.31 | cods | -'s |
| 22:34.58 | cods | no destructor is called. Only when removing the pair key/value from the map |
| 22:35.43 | Pimpinella | k, still wasunsur about that ;) |
| 22:36.12 | Pimpinella | hitting the hay |
| 22:36.17 | Pimpinella | g'nite |
| 22:36.42 | cods | a[b] just return a reference. The whole expression a[b]=c is really 2 operations (access/creation, then assignment), not like in some other language. |
| 22:37.19 | TimRiker | so if the new info has less permisions set than the old info with the other perms get cleared? |
| 22:39.10 | cods | I can't say for this specific case, but if class don't have copy operator, then what's sure is that the old value is overwrote by new one (default member by member copy) |
| 22:39.50 | cods | (sorry if I say obvious things, but I don't really followed the whole discussion here) |
| 22:56.42 | JeffM2501 | cods. all classes have a defualt copy constructor ( just calls the copy contstuctor for all memebers ). |
| 22:57.35 | cods | no. A class with an explicit copy constructor don't have default copy constructor. |
| 22:58.01 | JeffM2501 | that's true |
| 22:58.04 | JeffM2501 | if it overides it |
| 22:58.10 | JeffM2501 | then the ball is in your court |
| 22:58.11 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 22:58.13 | Pimpinella | they still have, it's only overloaded ;) |
| 22:58.35 | cods | no, it don't override it. C++ just don't even define it (which is logical) |
| 22:58.58 | JeffM2501 | the default copy constuctor is implied |
| 22:59.10 | JeffM2501 | once you add your own, your on your own, you should copy all things in it |
| 22:59.13 | cods | anyway, I don't think I've say something opposite to that. |
| 22:59.33 | JeffM2501 | Pimpinella, so they left all them maps in the permisions code? |
| 23:00.13 | cods | Rereading, I was talking about copy operator, not copy constructor.. |
| 23:00.24 | cods | what I'm missing ? |
| 23:00.26 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.34 | Pimpinella | all maps still in, and it's good |
| 23:00.37 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 23:00.47 | JeffM2501 | I would have done it difernetly |
| 23:00.51 | JeffM2501 | had I done it now |
| 23:00.56 | cods | yes operator= |
| 23:00.58 | Pimpinella | i came only lately in touch with STL, but i love it |
| 23:01.01 | JeffM2501 | ahh asignment |
| 23:01.04 | JeffM2501 | that's what it's called |
| 23:01.07 | cods | not T( T const& ) |
| 23:01.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah |
| 23:01.20 | JeffM2501 | that one is totaly diferent :) |
| 23:01.40 | cods | who said something else ? |
| 23:02.11 | TimRiker | I said method, but meant operator. |
| 23:02.17 | JeffM2501 | copy usualy means copy constructor, I know = as "asignment" |
| 23:02.24 | JeffM2501 | I gots confused :( |
| 23:02.28 | JeffM2501 | not that that's hard |
| 23:02.55 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, did you think the map was a flat array at first? |
| 23:03.18 | JeffM2501 | I could see how that would look like a mem leak then :) |
| 23:03.52 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: yes. I was thinking it was an array. |
| 23:04.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah that would look odd |
| 23:04.25 | JeffM2501 | "where did the old one go... you havent' even allocated that many... WTF???" |
| 23:04.42 | JeffM2501 | guess that's one reason I like maps, they can be used like arays |
| 23:04.47 | TimRiker | nod.. as it avoids creation if the group already exists |
| 23:04.49 | cods | map should be seen as a tree where each node is std::pair<T1,T2>, and a[b] return ref. to a T2 |
| 23:05.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a sorted tree |
| 23:05.26 | cods | yes, fortunately, it's sorted :) |
| 23:05.26 | JeffM2501 | but if you don't care about the sort, it works well as an array where the key isn't an int |
| 23:05.35 | JeffM2501 | added bonus :) |
| 23:05.54 | JeffM2501 | map with a string as a key, makes token lookups very fast, like for usernames. |
| 23:06.05 | JeffM2501 | since it's a binary search |
| 23:06.34 | JeffM2501 | and they clean up after themselves |
| 23:06.41 | JeffM2501 | asuming you don't shove pointers into theme |
| 23:06.44 | cods | standard don't say it's binary tree. That could be anything that respect complexity constraint. |
| 23:08.33 | JeffM2501 | at least for a name lookup |
| 23:16.38 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, any word from the guy? |
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| 23:29.56 | aneesh | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
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| 23:33.10 | cods | :)) |
| 23:38.29 | JeffM2501 | heh 192 |
| 23:38.44 | JeffM2501 | somone is a little unclear how the net works :) |
| 23:39.16 | JeffM2501 | ~bzfquery pcp05736591pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net:5255 |
| 23:40.29 | Pizbit | Hehehe |
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| 23:42.35 | menotume | hmmm, Noristown, PA - close |
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| 23:44.57 | JeffM2501 | go bang on his door |
| 23:48.00 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery pcp05736591pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net:5251 |
| 23:48.07 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery pcp05736591pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net:5255 |
| 23:48.15 | wegstar | hmm |
| 23:48.25 | TimRiker | ah well. was worth a shot. ;-) |
| 23:48.42 | TimRiker | ~nslookup pcp05736591pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net |
| 23:49.16 | JeffM2501 | is it time to go home yet? |
| 23:52.53 | wegstar | heh... |
| 23:55.29 | wegstar | my bzadmin always lose conenction to a server after 5 minutes or so.... |
| 23:56.12 | JeffM2501 | server have an idle timeout? |
