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`00:10.16`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, you do the last release in vc6 or 7.1?`
`00:10.22`	`DTRemenak`	`7.1`
`00:10.31`	`DTRemenak`	`I don't have 6, remember?`
`00:10.38`	`JeffM2501`	`wondering if the 98 guy dosn't have some kinda runtime`
`00:10.41`	`JeffM2501`	`that's right`
`00:10.48`	`JeffM2501`	`your on 5 or 7.1`
`00:11.55`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: it works on 98 for me`
`00:12.36`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah I sugested he update all things that could be updated`
`00:12.44`	`JeffM2501`	`have you installed VC71 on 98?`
`00:12.51`	`DTRemenak`	`could be a DLL conflict or something I suppose`
`00:12.57`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, it won't install, so no :)`
`00:13.00`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`00:13.48`	`DTRemenak`	`the only lib we link with is curl, and I built that in VC7.1 also`
`00:14.29`	`DTRemenak`	`unless something else dropped a libcurl.dll in his windows/system dir...dunno which it would pick up first`
`00:14.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I recall something about old systems needing the .net framework to update the msvcrt libs for some stuff`
`00:15.36`	`DTRemenak`	`I distribute the runtimes with bzflag, as microsoft recommends. msvcrt7 is not supposed to be shared systemwide, apparently`
`00:15.50`	`JeffM2501`	`wierd then`
`00:16.17`	`JeffM2501`	`there are so many wacky things with 98 that can be installed, it' posible he just has "issues"`
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`00:17.10`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`00:17.37`	`DTRemenak`	`that's where the whole "format and start over" thing comes in :)`
`00:18.10`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:18.26`	`JeffM2501`	`I was most happy when 2k came out, real kernel, and hardware drivers`
`00:18.46`	`JeffM2501`	`could not go to NT for the longest time since they didn't support my video card on it`
`00:19.34`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`00:20.03`	`JeffM2501`	`it was nvidia's first chipset`
`00:20.06`	`JeffM2501`	`so it was "odd"`
`00:25.49`	`blast007`	`just so you know, 2.0.0 starts up fine in my Windows 95 laptop`
`00:25.54`	`blast007`	`on my*`
`00:25.55`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`00:26.18`	`DTRemenak`	`if it runs on 95 it'll run on _anything_`
`00:26.32`	`blast007`	`'course it won't be playable, being that it's a 75MHz 486 with 12MB of RAM ;)`
`00:26.37`	`JeffM2501`	`12`
`00:26.40`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`00:26.44`	`JeffM2501`	`BURN IT!`
`00:26.45`	`DTRemenak`	`it actually started on a machine with 12 mb ram?`
`00:27.00`	`blast007`	`it's still loading ;)`
`00:27.03`	`DTRemenak`	`that really surprises me`
`00:27.04`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`00:27.06`	`DTRemenak`	`ok`
`00:27.09`	`DTRemenak`	`so virtual memory :)`
`00:27.10`	`JeffM2501`	`virtual memory is fun!`
`00:27.12`	`blast007`	`sounds like the swap file kicked in too`
`00:27.14`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`00:28.14`	`blast007`	`there we go, at the menu`
`00:28.18`	`JeffM2501`	`dude, you booted to the swap file :)`
`00:28.30`	`blast007`	`lol`
`00:28.34`	`blast007`	`probably ;)`
`00:30.56`	`DTRemenak`	`how long is it gonna take you to quit, that's the question :)`
`00:31.19`	`DTRemenak`	`mm, or how many seconds per frame... :)`
`00:31.27`	`blast007`	`it will probably blue screen or something when I quit`
`00:31.33`	`DTRemenak`	`likely`
`00:31.38`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`00:31.50`	`DTRemenak`	`mm, unlimited steak`
`00:32.00`	`blast007`	`I'm estimating about 2 seconds per frame at the menu`
`00:32.16`	`DTRemenak`	`blast007: come on, join a game! :)`
`00:32.56`	`DTRemenak`	`how about...secretplace...see how slow the font renderer can make you go... :)`
`00:33.13`	`blast007`	`lol`
`00:35.10`	`DTRemenak`	`or borg cube if you want to give the culling stuff a trial run... :)`
`00:35.30`	`DTRemenak`	`see whether 75 million cycles per second is enough :)`
`00:36.32`	`JeffM2501`	`but how many fops?`
`00:37.20`	`blast007`	`getting about 2.5 seconds per frame @ 640x480`
`00:37.43`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe`
`00:38.01`	`DTRemenak`	`hit y and it will give you "real" numbers`
`00:38.15`	`blast007`	`yup, that's what I'm looking at ;)`
`00:38.25`	`blast007`	`2.5 to 3 seconds`
`00:38.46`	`DTRemenak`	`now turn the quality up to experimental, texturing up to linear mipmap linear... :)`
`00:39.08`	`blast007`	`most stuff off right now, except dithering, blending, and depth buffer`
`00:39.12`	`blast007`	`heh, ok ;)`
`00:39.42`	`JeffM2501`	`turn it all on!!!`
`00:39.43`	`blast007`	`it's about dying just displaying the menu at the same time as the game`
`00:39.48`	`Pizbit`	`heh`
`00:40.00`	`Pizbit`	`blast007: What's the fps when everything is off/minimum`
`00:40.10`	`blast007`	`FPS is 0`
`00:40.16`	`blast007`	`SPF is like 2.5 to 3`
`00:40.31`	`Pizbit`	`I've managed to get 0 FPS on my AMD 1800+(1.5ghz) Geforec4mx before though`
`00:40.34`	`blast007`	`lol, loading the textures now ;)`
`00:41.24`	`blast007`	`wow`
`00:41.46`	`blast007`	`my PIII 700MHz in software gets like 10 with everything on`
`00:42.23`	`blast007`	`hehe, still loading the textures ;)`
`00:42.55`	`blast007`	`uh oh, and the hard drive activity has stopped`
`00:42.57`	`Pizbit`	`blast007: Tends to happen on complicated maps with smoothing enabled, disabling it immediatly adds on another 45+FPS heh`
`00:43.56`	`blast007`	`oh yeah, that smoothing issue`
`00:44.11`	`Pizbit`	`Rather nasty till I figured it out heh.`
`00:44.55`	`blast007`	`hehe, I think the client froze up`
`00:44.56`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, what's better for the period of expansion 2024-2060 or to 2080?`
`00:45.05`	`JeffM2501`	`it used to be to 2030`
`00:48.22`	`blast007`	`it can't even load the buttons for the Ctrl+Alt+Del menu right now...`
`00:49.00`	`blast007`	`haha, and theres the blue screen`
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`00:55.14`	`DTRemenak`	`blast007: hehe :)`
`00:55.37`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: 2080 sounds more realistic, but whatever`
`01:04.54`	`JeffM2501`	`that puts the final date at 2095`
`01:05.01`	`JeffM2501`	`"dawn of the 22nd centry`
`01:06.50`	`JeffM2501`	`gives 74 years of warpgate travel`
`01:07.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I also took the population down to 9 billion in 2020`
`01:07.36`	`JeffM2501`	`that seems more reasonable`
`01:07.37`	`Pizbit`	`down?:)`
`01:07.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it was at 15`
`01:07.47`	`Pizbit`	`Ah, heh`
`01:09.07`	`JeffM2501`	`then to 10 in 2024`
`01:10.12`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: that sounds fine to me. If you want to have a really strong basis in reality though, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population`
`01:10.25`	`DTRemenak`	`says 2020 ~ 7.5 billion`
`01:10.52`	`DTRemenak`	`just depends how close you think the UN is to predicting things right, and how much you want your world to vary :)`
`01:12.05`	`JeffM2501`	`I want the presure to be high`
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`01:13.53`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`ya`
`01:14.40`	`Grumbler`	`DTRemenak, i dont think those numbers include armagedon in 2013`
`01:14.49`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
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`01:19.55`	`sussudio`	`2.0.0 has some known bugs, right?`
`01:22.24`	`blast007`	`yeah, most have been fixed in CVS`
`01:23.18`	`sussudio`	`hmm just the old one on http://my.bzflag.org/builds/`
`01:23.51`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be the same one that is on SF`
`01:24.07`	`JeffM2501`	`just because they are fixed, dosn't mean a binary was made :)`
`01:24.12`	`sussudio`	`:-P`
`01:24.38`	`sussudio`	`1.11 was a pain in the ass to compile... took up 500MB diskspace and about an hour to finish`
`01:24.57`	`JeffM2501`	`then there will be a binary for 2.0.2`
`01:25.04`	`sussudio`	`k`
`01:25.23`	`DTRemenak`	`Are we serious about 2.0.2 this weekend?`
`01:25.41`	`ls`	`sawblade?`
`01:25.45`	`jomojo`	`does anyone know how to to build 2.0 without sdl for osx?`
`01:25.47`	`JeffM2501`	`sawblade`
`01:25.48`	`ls`	`DTRemenak: sure.`
`01:25.52`	`DTRemenak`	`cool :)`
`01:25.57`	`blast007`	`sussudio: hmm, my compile directory with VC6 is only 45MB, course thats the Release version`
`01:26.20`	`jomojo`	`trepan: do you know how to build without sdl for osx?`
`01:26.34`	`sussudio`	`blast007: o_O`
`01:26.48`	`jomojo`	`it has been suggested that the sdl is killing my fps`
`01:26.49`	`blast007`	`isn't it like ./config --without-SDL (or something like that)`
`01:26.53`	`trepan`	`jomojo: i don't do mac`
`01:26.59`	`blast007`	`s/config/configure`
`01:27.05`	`jomojo`	`ah`
`01:27.46`	`trepan`	`ls`: twas my first blender render :)
`01:28.36`	`sussudio`	`what is the modulename to use for cvs with 2.0 cvs?`
`01:29.02`	`sussudio`	`i'm guessing it's not v1_10branch anymore`
`01:29.04`	`JeffM2501`	`jomojo, sdl shouldn't, but just do a configure with --without_sdl`
`01:29.21`	`DTRemenak`	`mm, blended sawblades...`
`01:29.21`	`JeffM2501`	`sussudio same as it allways is bzflag`
`01:29.30`	`ls`	`trepan: you saw the bzflag.de smiley face shots?`
`01:29.30`	`JeffM2501`	`it's HEAD as the tag`
`01:29.36`	`sussudio`	`cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r bzflag bzflag?`
`01:29.44`	`JeffM2501`	`no -r`
`01:29.48`	`trepan`	`ls`: yup
`01:29.49`	`sussudio`	`hmmk`
`01:29.51`	`JeffM2501`	`-r is a tag`
`01:29.58`	`ls`	`sussudio: just do a cvs up -PdA`
`01:29.59`	`JeffM2501`	`you want the raw stuff`
`01:31.05`	`ls`	`sussudio: the co would be: cvs -z6 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag`
`01:31.20`	`sussudio`	`isn't z6 harder ont he server?`
`01:31.31`	`ls`	`sussudio: not really for a checkout.`
`01:32.16`	`ls`	`sf can handle it. but z3 would be fine too.`
`01:33.47`	`sussudio`	`bugger`
`01:33.57`	`sussudio`	`URLManager.cxx`
`01:34.06`	`sussudio`	`C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\INCLUDE\mswsock.h(69) : error C2065: 'SOCKET' : undeclared identifier`
`01:34.09`	`sussudio`	`C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\INCLUDE\mswsock.h(69) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ')' before identifier 's'`
`01:34.12`	`sussudio`	`C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\INCLUDE\mswsock.h(69) : warning C4229: anachronism used : modifiers on data are ignored`
`01:34.15`	`sussudio`	`C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\INCLUDE\mswsock.h(73) : error C2059: syntax error : ')'`
`01:34.23`	`sussudio`	`and about 100 more of those`
`01:34.26`	`blast007`	`VC6?`
`01:34.28`	`sussudio`	`:-P`
`01:34.30`	`sussudio`	`yes`
`01:34.37`	`blast007`	`k, 1 sec`
`01:34.47`	`sussudio`	`C:\bzflag\src\common\URLManager.cxx(26) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'curl/curl.h': No such file or directory`
`01:35.10`	`DTRemenak`	`sussudio: set up curl`
`01:35.21`	`DTRemenak`	`http://curl.haxx.se`
`01:36.26`	`blast007`	`sussudio: move the "#include <winsock.h>" up to right after "#define _WINSOCK2API_"`
`01:37.21`	`blast007`	`on a seperate line`
`01:38.08`	`sussudio`	`am i supposed to extract the curl stuff into the vc6 dir somewhere?`
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`01:39.31`	`JeffM2501`	`you can put it in your VC dir`
`01:39.37`	`JeffM2501`	`you can set your compilers paths`
`01:39.40`	`DTRemenak`	`sussudio: you need to set up vc so it can find them`
`01:39.48`	`JeffM2501`	`you can put them in the project dirs`
`01:39.49`	`DTRemenak`	`it doesn't matter where they are, really`
`01:39.50`	`JeffM2501`	`it's up to you`
`01:40.27`	`blast007`	`in the archive there's an include folder with a curl folder in it, and you can move that curl folder to your VC include directory`
`01:41.32`	`JeffM2501`	`that's the fastest way`
`01:41.37`	`blast007`	`and then you need to put libcurl.lib (and possibly libcurl.exp and libcurl.dll) in your lib directory`
`01:41.39`	`JeffM2501`	`and slap in the libs in the lib dir`
`01:41.47`	`JeffM2501`	`the DLL can go in the app dir`
`01:41.48`	`blast007`	`does it need the exp and the dll?`
`01:42.02`	`JeffM2501`	`the DLL is just a runtime thing`
`01:42.08`	`blast007`	`k`
`01:42.13`	`sussudio`	`grr`
`01:42.26`	`JeffM2501`	`the .lib is the C export lib, that's all the compiler needs`
`01:44.17`	`blast007`	`and the .exp is apparently a "Visual C++ Export File", so what is that used for?`
`01:44.17`	`sussudio`	`the compiling error would be less annoying if it didn't go BRRLEEEP in my ears`
`01:44.24`	`blast007`	`heh`
`01:44.29`	`sussudio`	`bah.`
`01:45.27`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`.exp is built and of not value`
`01:45.44`	`blast007`	`MeBigFatGuy: k, thx`
`01:46.45`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/BUGS: haven't heard any reports of missing status letters since 2.0.0 release`
`01:48.06`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/BUGS: clean out some bugs that have been fixed`
`01:48.24`	`sussudio`	`<blast007> sussudio: move the "#include <winsock.h>" up to right after "#define _WINSOCK2API_" < in what??`
`01:48.40`	`blast007`	`in URLManager.cxx`
`01:49.05`	`blast007`	`(forgot to mention that ;)`
`01:49.59`	`sussudio`	`ok, it's not under source files.....`
`01:50.13`	`sussudio`	`common...`
`01:51.30`	`sussudio`	`linux is much easier to compile things for`
`01:51.49`	`sussudio`	`at least with debian you get all the dependencies if you install something`
`01:52.34`	`blast007`	`yup`
`01:54.14`	`sussudio`	`snort.`
`01:54.32`	`sussudio`	`hmm i was sure i installed SDL....`
`01:54.55`	`sussudio`	`maybe just for mingw32`
`01:56.22`	`DTRemenak`	`you can always build without SDL`
`01:56.41`	`sussudio`	`yeah i'm doing that now`
`01:59.18`	`sussudio`	`mkay... win32 release fails on joystick...`
`01:59.40`	`JeffM2501`	`get the directX SDK`
`01:59.44`	`sussudio`	`C:\bzflag\src\platform\WinJoystick.h(50) : error C2027: use of undefined type 'WinJoystick'`
`01:59.47`	`sussudio`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:00.09`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be part of the normal platofrm sdk`
`02:00.25`	`sussudio`	`well, i already downloaded some large SDK thing for VC6 a while ago`
`02:00.39`	`DTRemenak`	`should build without directx`
`02:00.58`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah that' can't find the standard stick stuff`
`02:01.00`	`JeffM2501`	`that's not good`
`02:01.03`	`JeffM2501`	`or your paths are jacked`
`02:01.13`	`sussudio`	`i didn't change any paths...`
`02:01.20`	`DTRemenak`	`hahaha, I broke it for ya :)`
`02:01.53`	`DTRemenak`	`using a standards-compliant compiler for long enough makes you forget about all the crazy hacks you have to do to get old VC's to compile :)`
`02:01.53`	`sussudio`	`ok, how do i fix it then`
`02:02.23`	`DTRemenak`	`mm, try this first: WinJoystick.h:50, change "WinJoystick::AxisInfo" to just "AxisInfo"`
`02:03.53`	`DTRemenak`	`platform header files`
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`02:07.40`	`jomojo_`	`okay i need help with a build`
`02:07.58`	`sussudio`	`a vc6 build?`
`02:08.01`	`DTRemenak`	`we need information on your problem in order to give you help`
`02:08.13`	`jomojo_`	`right of course`
`02:08.18`	`jomojo_`	`just getting to that`
`02:08.21`	`DTRemenak`	`k :)`
`02:08.30`	`jomojo_`	`OpenGLGState.cxx:1555: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once`
`02:08.30`	`jomojo_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:08.31`	`jomojo_`	`make[2]: *** [OpenGLGState.o] Error 1`
`02:08.31`	`jomojo_`	`make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1`
`02:08.32`	`jomojo_`	`make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1`
`02:08.48`	`DTRemenak`	`mm, what's the line immediately before that?`
`02:08.51`	`jomojo_`	`it goes fine until the end of the make comand`
`02:09.14`	`jomojo_`	`OpenGLGState.cxx:1540:24: GL/glx.h: No such file or directory`
`02:09.15`	`jomojo_`	OpenGLGState.cxx: In static member function `static bool
`02:09.15`	`jomojo_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:09.15`	`jomojo_`	OpenGLGState.cxx:1555: error: `glXGetCurrentContext' undeclared (first use this
`02:09.16`	`jomojo_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:09.16`	`JeffM2501`	`was there an error before that about some "gl" command?`
`02:09.20`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah there ya go`
`02:09.24`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't have openGL headers`
`02:09.28`	`DTRemenak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:09.32`	`jomojo_`	`osx`
`02:09.35`	`DTRemenak`	`ahh`
`02:09.36`	`jomojo_`	`10.3.7`
`02:09.42`	`DTRemenak`	`well yeah you won't have glX :)`
`02:09.47`	`jomojo_`	`whats up with the gl headers?`
`02:10.00`	`trepan`	`hm, bypassed _WIN32 ?`
`02:10.01`	`JeffM2501`	`did you install all the packages on the dev CD?`
`02:10.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll be he never configed`
`02:10.18`	`DTRemenak`	`nothing, your gl headers are fine. there's something trying to do glX when it should be AGL`
`02:10.24`	`jomojo_`	`yeah okay i have done 3 builds with 2.0 already never had this problem`
`02:10.29`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah your config isn't happy`
`02:10.31`	`DTRemenak`	`you used SDL before, right?`
`02:10.38`	`DTRemenak`	`and aren't using it now?`
`02:10.42`	`jomojo_`	`right was trying to do build withoug`
`02:10.44`	`jomojo_`	`without`
`02:11.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and when you reran the configure did it have any errors?`
`02:11.03`	`DTRemenak`	`yup. configure is misdetecting something probably, or some ifdefs are messed up`
`02:11.21`	`jomojo_`	`let me double check i don't think so`
`02:12.35`	`jomojo_`	`what would i be looking for under configure`
`02:12.48`	`jomojo_`	`is there an error or warning that would give me issues`
`02:13.13`	`sussudio`	`zlibwapi.dll wha?`
`02:13.14`	`DTRemenak`	`HAVE_CGLGETCURRENTCONTEXT isn't defined, apparently`
`02:13.31`	`DTRemenak`	`sussudio: did the WinJoystick thing work?`
`02:13.38`	`DTRemenak`	`sussudio: and what about zlibwapi?`
`02:13.45`	`sussudio`	`DTRemenak: yes. now it wants zlibwapi.dll`
`02:14.02`	`sussudio`	`umm i did, didn't i`
`02:14.18`	`DTRemenak`	`jomojo_: I don't know enough about CGL/AGL/whatever apple GL stuff we're trying to use or not use to help, sorry`
`02:14.22`	`DTRemenak`	`talk to learner or brlcad`
`02:14.23`	`trepan`	`on mac, with SDL LIBS gets Cocoa and OpenGL, without gets AGL, LIBS used during the conf tests?`
`02:14.34`	`JeffM2501`	`no you said it was a pain in the butt, then asked how to get cvs tag`
`02:15.11`	`DTRemenak`	`sussudio: sounds like vc is trying to link in an external zlib.lib`
`02:15.25`	`DTRemenak`	`it ought to be using the internal one`
`02:15.28`	`JeffM2501`	`or his libCURL is`
`02:15.36`	`sussudio`	`DTRemenak: it wants a .dll to run`
`02:15.46`	`JeffM2501`	`that means something linked with it`
`02:15.55`	`DTRemenak`	`sussudio: I know. It should be using the internal one, which doesn't need any dlls`
`02:16.04`	`sussudio`	`:-\|`
`02:16.12`	`JeffM2501`	`i'll bet it's your libcurl`
`02:16.16`	`JeffM2501`	`what libcurl did you get?`
`02:16.17`	`sussudio`	`snort.`
`02:16.19`	`DTRemenak`	`ahhh, yup, I bet it is`
`02:16.24`	`JeffM2501`	`there is more then one`
`02:16.28`	`sussudio`	`7.12.3`
`02:16.35`	`sussudio`	`win32-ssl`
`02:16.35`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah but what exact file name?`
`02:16.38`	`DTRemenak`	`there's a reason I build my own libcurls :)`
`02:16.40`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah you don't want SSL`
`02:16.49`	`JeffM2501`	`SSL needs extra libs`
`02:17.05`	`JeffM2501`	`bz dosn't need or use SLL`
`02:17.39`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/WinJoystick.h: better not break vc6 just yet`
`02:17.52`	`JeffM2501`	`break it!!!`
`02:18.14`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe`
`02:20.58`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/README.WIN32: add a note about SSL and libCurl`
`02:21.13`	`JeffM2501`	`since he was so kind to point it out.`
`02:22.03`	`ls`	`a libcurl that uses ssl should work, provided you have the ssl libs included.`
`02:22.46`	`sussudio`	`ok, there's no choice for MSVC, the only package is SSL enabled.`
`02:22.49`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it should work`
`02:23.01`	`JeffM2501`	`but it offers no other benifits then a harder build with more dependencys`
`02:23.10`	`JeffM2501`	`that's all I put in the readme`
`02:23.14`	`sussudio`	`no, it still wants the zlibwapi thing`
`02:23.22`	`JeffM2501`	`sussudio, then build your own libCurl`
`02:23.30`	`TimRiker`	`JeffM2501: agreed`
`02:23.33`	`sussudio`	`snort.`
`02:24.52`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't seem like your average windows builder realy gets what they are doing, so more info is better.`
`02:26.56`	`blast007`	`hmm, I used curl-7.11.1-win32-nossl-devel.zip which worked fine`
`02:27.39`	`JeffM2501`	`nossl dosn't need the extra libs`
`02:27.47`	`JeffM2501`	`he got ssl`
`02:28.03`	`JeffM2501`	`looks like they didn't do a non ssl build of the current version`
`02:28.22`	`JeffM2501`	`sussudio, just grab the curl DLL from your 2.0.0`
`02:28.26`	`JeffM2501`	`that dosnt' use SSL`
`02:28.51`	`DTRemenak`	`there's no lib if he does that`
`02:28.59`	`JeffM2501`	`he allrady linked to a lib`
`02:29.05`	`JeffM2501`	`the export lib should have the same API`
`02:29.10`	`JeffM2501`	`at least as far as bz cares`
`02:29.24`	`JeffM2501`	`since they both contain the same simple API we use`
`02:29.57`	`JeffM2501`	`the non SSL one would just stub them out, or use SSL internal only`
`02:30.02`	`JeffM2501`	`give it a shot`
`02:30.57`	`sussudio`	`ok, that works..................................`
`02:31.04`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`02:31.12`	`sussudio`	`note that libcurl doesn't create a zlibcrapfest.dll anyway... or builds`
`02:31.26`	`JeffM2501`	`huh?`
`02:31.42`	`JeffM2501`	`it's an external lib needed by the SSL version`
`02:31.48`	`JeffM2501`	`why would it build it?`
`02:31.59`	`JeffM2501`	`more then likely it's for gzip compression of stuff internal to the lib`
`02:33.27`	`sussudio`	`curl-7.11.1-1 doesn't build`
`02:33.27`	`sussudio`	`it's missing things.`
`02:33.27`	`sussudio`	`the archive i got off haxx......`
`02:33.28`	`sussudio`	`anyway, with this dll i don't need to build curl anyway`
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`02:35.12`	`JeffM2501`	`your probalby trying to do a ssl build, and yes you would be missing things for that`
`02:54.07`	`blast007`	`sussudio: had to install an FTP client and figure out my FTP info, but I finally got a copy of the non-ssl curl dev package: http://omegadev.uni.cc/curl-7.11.1-win32-nossl-devel.zip (in case you still need it)`
`02:54.41`	`sussudio`	`blast007: mkay... that's not to be found on haxx`
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`02:57.37`	`blast007`	`yeah, it's an older version and it apparently isn't there anymore`
`02:58.01`	`blast007`	`even did a google search for that filename and came up with nothing`
`02:58.33`	`sussudio`	`mkay`
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`03:14.14`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`yukyuk.. roses are #FF0000, violets are #0000FF`
`03:14.22`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`sf`
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`03:19.26`	`bz0909`	`I have a question: How do you bring up the "/" prompt in-game`
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`03:19.42`	`lan56`	`the prompt to type in server commands?`
`03:19.49`	`bz0909`	`yes`
`03:19.53`	`lan56`	`'o'`
`03:20.12`	`lan56`	`but you can also just manually type the '/' then the command by simply sending a chat msg`
`03:20.28`	`bz0909`	`ooo`
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`03:20.40`	`bz0909`	`thats what i was wondering`
`03:20.41`	`bz0909`	`thanks`
`03:20.49`	`lurgy`	`what happened to the crispy bacon we had before the war?`
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`03:20.55`	`lan56`	`like by pressing 'n' (chat/send to all), then entering "/lagstats" for example`
`03:21.06`	`bz0909`	`gotchya`
`03:21.10`	`bz0909`	`thanks`
`03:23.15`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`cvs diff question anyone?`
`03:23.23`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`if header starts...`
`03:23.37`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`myfile.old`
`03:23.39`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`myfile.new`
`03:23.47`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`then it's not diff -u , right?`
`03:24.17`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`it woudl just be`
`03:24.22`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`myfile.old`
`03:24.24`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`myfile`
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`03:29.24`	`bz9232`	`im back, is there a way to make a server private (ie password protecting, or enabling ONLY LAN play, no outside connections?)`
`03:30.16`	`lan56`	`don't give it a public description or public address`
`03:31.41`	`bz9232`	`so then clients would join using your local IP?`
`03:32.49`	`lan56`	`that I do not know, but it should say in the list your computer name, as from my own experience, but I do not know for sure, I am sure someone else here knows though`
`03:33.19`	`Grumbler`	`bz9232, use -q`
`03:33.40`	`bz9232`	`yeah, i found it out`
`03:33.48`	`bz9232`	`use -q and the computer name for the server`
`03:34.00`	`bz9232`	`thanks again`
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`03:46.31`	`lan56`	`why?`
`03:47.40`	`SportChick`	`for some reason, v. 2.0 runs very poorly for me. I have the same lag, but I'm getting a higher +/- number and am very jittery. Not losing packets anymore though. But it makes the game virtually unplayable at times. And I'm on a machine that is less than 6 months old!`
`03:49.29`	`blast007`	`hmm, my 4 year old machine works okay for me ;)`
`03:50.00`	`SportChick`	`at least a specific server`
`03:50.13`	`blast007`	`is it some integrated video card you are using?`
`03:50.21`	`SportChick`	`I'm on a laptop`
`03:50.24`	`SportChick`	`alienware`
`03:50.28`	`blast007`	`ah`
`03:50.31`	`blast007`	`yuck ;)`
`03:51.05`	`SportChick`	`yuck?! it's been awesome - worked perfectly in 1.10`
`03:51.17`	`blast007`	`overpriced`
`03:51.38`	`brlcad`	`unf'ingly incredible!`
`03:52.10`	`brlcad`	`some random guy just tried to pick a fight with my buddy and I`
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`03:52.57`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: what? why?`
`03:53.14`	`brlcad`	`no clue`
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`03:53.39`	`brlcad`	`my buddy and I went to this pizza place near work for a late dinner`
`03:54.12`	`SportChick`	`and?`
`03:54.29`	`brlcad`	`we were talking out next to are cars for about an hour when this guy starts yelling stuff at me from a distance`
`03:54.48`	`brlcad`	`never even noticed the guy until he started getting close and louder`
`03:55.06`	`SportChick`	`were you flexing your muscles? looking tough?`
`03:55.07`	`brlcad`	`yelling all kinds of stupid sh*t`
`03:55.27`	`brlcad`	`heh, actually I was cross armed probably looking tough`
`03:55.33`	`brlcad`	`but it was cause I was cold`
`03:55.41`	`SportChick`	`there ya go - it's your fault`
`03:55.49`	`lan56`	`did you wear a black bandana, and have some tatoos? :)`
`03:55.57`	`SportChick`	`you should stand out there looking wimpy if you don't wanna fight`
`03:56.04`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`03:56.23`	`brlcad`	`i haven't been that close to a throw down since I lived in the city`
`03:56.26`	`SportChick`	`hrm... that's a stretch`
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`03:56.43`	`SportChick`	`heheh`
`03:56.55`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: so you at work still?`
`03:56.56`	`brlcad`	`the guy kept wandering towards us and then away`
`03:57.01`	`brlcad`	`like a monkey testing our response`
`03:57.19`	`SportChick`	`was he on something?`
`03:57.32`	`brlcad`	`no idea, probably`
`03:58.05`	`brlcad`	`argh.. got my blood curling, though`
`03:58.13`	`lan56`	`did you end up fighting, or at least start to? if no, he was a coward just goofing off`
`03:58.20`	`SportChick`	`that's curdling`
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`03:58.29`	`brlcad`	`that too`
`03:58.42`	`brlcad`	`no, i ignored him and we kept talking`
`03:59.00`	`brlcad`	`he stoped at 20 ft or so`
`03:59.26`	`brlcad`	`any closer and I would have gotten defensive`
`04:00.29`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`04:00.39`	`brlcad`	`i'm a teddy bear most of the time`
`04:00.51`	`brlcad`	`=)`
`04:00.55`	`SportChick`	`~brlcad++`
`04:01.05`	`SportChick`	`~brlcad++`
`04:01.18`	`brlcad`	`hehe`
`04:01.41`	`SportChick`	`~brlcad++`
`04:01.45`	`sussudio`	`in soviet russia, teddybear butters you`
`04:01.48`	`brlcad`	`purple_cow: think of em as quills`
`04:01.56`	`purple_cow`	`brlcad: hehe`
`04:02.40`	`brlcad`	`...`
`04:02.46`	`brlcad`	`what'cha need sportster`
`04:03.03`	`SportChick`	`for some reason, v. 2.0 runs very poorly for me. I have the same lag, but I'm getting a higher +/- number and am very jittery. Not losing packets anymore though. But it makes the game virtually unplayable at times. And I'm on a machine that is less than 6 months old!`
`04:03.25`	`brlcad`	`SportChick: windows right?`
`04:03.30`	`SportChick`	`yep`
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`04:03.39`	`blast007`	`alienware laptop`
`04:03.39`	`brlcad`	`optimized build?`
`04:03.51`	`SportChick`	`think so`
`04:04.01`	`blast007`	`so it should be more than fast enough to play it just fine :)`
`04:04.04`	`brlcad`	`thinking isn't knowing :)`
`04:04.22`	`SportChick`	`yes`
`04:04.23`	`brlcad`	`who made the build?`
`04:04.35`	`SportChick`	`dunno`
`04:05.01`	`brlcad`	`is it worse than 1.11, about the same, or never noticed/tried?`
`04:05.08`	`SportChick`	`MUCH BETTER`
`04:05.24`	`brlcad`	`it's better than 1.11?`
`04:05.28`	`SportChick`	`YES`
`04:05.31`	`SportChick`	`oops`
`04:05.32`	`brlcad`	`yet still bad`
`04:05.44`	`SportChick`	`no, never noticed a problem on 1.11`
`04:05.53`	`brlcad`	`ahh`
`04:08.24`	`brlcad`	`SportChick: are your running a CVS build or 2.0.0 ?`
`04:08.25`	`SportChick`	`so any idea what the problem is?`
`04:08.28`	`SportChick`	`2.0.0`
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`04:08.47`	`SportChick`	`no one built me a cvs lately`
`04:09.15`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: you need just the .exe?`
`04:09.22`	`SportChick`	`yeah`
`04:09.30`	`sussudio`	`lemmesee`
`04:10.30`	`SportChick`	`I tried to accept and it wouldn't take`
`04:10.39`	`sussudio`	`hmm wait i'm on my irc proxy`
`04:12.42`	`sussudio`	`just rename it to bzflagcvs.exe or something and put it in the same dir as 2.0.0 with libcurl.dll`
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`04:15.01`	`brlcad`	`SportChick: the problems are cross-platform indicative of a bigger problem`
`04:15.26`	`brlcad`	`i've not profiled in a while..`
`04:15.33`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: will this new version that badgers gave me fix my problem?`
`04:15.43`	`brlcad`	`nothing immediately obvious comes to mind`
`04:15.50`	`brlcad`	`I doubt it`
`04:15.57`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: it's the latest cvs one i built today...`
`04:15.58`	`brlcad`	`but worth trying`
`04:19.07`	`blast007`	`"But I tell you, man, there is nothing that beats the adrenaline buzz of configuring some idiot's ADSL modem even though he's running Windows 3.1 on a 386 with four megs of RAM, man!"`
`04:21.07`	`wegstar`	`heh`
`04:23.52`	`orchid`	`mm adrenaline`
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`04:27.42`	`blast007`	`eek :/`
`04:27.42`	`bz7363`	`that was painful`
`04:28.01`	`wegstar`	`ouch!`
`04:28.24`	`sussudio`	`not half as painful as being in a channel with 700+ users when it happens`
`04:28.43`	`wegstar`	`hehe`
`04:28.56`	`bz7363`	`that sounds deadly, sussudio :)`
`04:29.15`	`orchid`	`sussudio: I ignore joins parts quits and splits in those channels`
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`04:43.13`	`jpa_`	`monringn`
`04:43.16`	`jpa_`	`bye`
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`04:47.35`	`bz7363`	`morning jpa_`
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`04:48.07`	`SportChick`	`grrr: anyone know where xchat stores received files?`
`04:48.37`	`lan56`	`sportchick: it says in "Settings->Preferences", under "File Transfers"`
`04:48.48`	`lan56`	`should be in your xchat folder, though`
`04:49.08`	`SportChick`	`lan56: thanks! found it`
`04:49.13`	`lan56`	`err, no, scratch that, should be in "C:\Documents and Settings\ACCOUNT\Application Data\X-Chat 2\downloads`
`04:49.14`	`lan56`	`np`
`04:49.20`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`look in preferences`
`04:49.27`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`file transfer tab`
`04:52.02`	`SportChick`	`sussudio - do I replace the old libcurl.dll with the one you sent?`
`04:52.51`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`hmm?`
`04:53.21`	`purple_cow`	`question had already been answered`
`04:53.28`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`ah`
`04:53.33`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`mine was more complete :)`
`04:53.34`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: no, if you already have one, you don't have to`
`05:00.14`	`sussudio`	`man i don't like this VC6 build.. i think i'm going for a mingw32 try`
`05:01.42`	`SportChick`	`sussudio, brlcad, all: thanks for the cvs build, but jitter is still the same`
`05:01.51`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: I'll try the other option you suggested`
`05:01.53`	`SportChick`	`Nidhoggr: ping`
`05:02.14`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: bummer`
`05:03.37`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: no id and still jitter`
`05:12.57`	`brlcad`	`SportChick: is your depth buffer on?`
`05:16.07`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: it's off`
`05:16.25`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: if i get mingw32 to build an exe, i'll send you one`
`05:16.42`	`SportChick`	`ss: ty`
`05:16.50`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: ty`
`05:17.13`	`sussudio`	`it seems to be using less cpu for some reason (the client) when i build it with mingw32 as opposed to vc6`
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`05:20.30`	`brlcad`	`SportChick: eek, turn it on, woman!`
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`05:37.37`	`sussudio`	`what the heck is 'xutility'?`
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`05:40.25`	`sussudio`	`:-\|`
`05:43.25`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: I turned it on. my jitter went down slightly, but I'm still jittering. Went from 27-32 av. to 14-20 av.`
`05:43.32`	`SportChick`	`av.=avg`
`05:43.40`	`sussudio`	`bah bugger it`
`05:43.48`	`sussudio`	`it doesn't build with mingw32`
`05:44.00`	`lan56`	`why? errors?`
`05:44.03`	`sussudio`	`yes`
`05:44.17`	`sussudio`	`first it can't find 'xutility'... i found that buried somewhere in vc6's include dir`
`05:44.23`	`sussudio`	`and then it got stuck on something else. blah.`
`05:45.27`	`lan56`	`if I may suggest, dev-c++ uses mingw-32, you may wish to use dev-c++ ide to get a mingw32 build rather than giving up`
`05:45.40`	`brlcad`	`SportChick: that's good though, implies the rest of the jitter is graphics settings related too`
`05:45.49`	`sussudio`	`dev-c++ ??`
`05:46.05`	`sussudio`	`the compiler will still be the same, right?`
`05:46.27`	`lan56`	`yes, but it does not need xutility, everything is there and setup for you with the dev-c++ ide installation`
`05:46.54`	`lan56`	`you are building bzflag, correct?`
`05:47.08`	`sussudio`	`no, i'm very much not building it :-P`
`05:47.32`	`lan56`	`ahh, well, dev-c++ still is a good option for a mingw32 build nonetheless`
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`05:53.09`	`SportChick`	`brlcad: so what does that mean? that I need to adjust more settings? or that it's a graphics-type bug that needs to be worked out. Also, I wasn't on very long (not feeling very well) so I didn't wait to see if the jitter was completely stable there.`
`05:54.12`	`brlcad`	`SportChick: I'd try adjusting more to see how it responds .. perhaps turn it off of experimental if that's on, turn down/off rain, try different texturings etc`
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`05:57.29`	`ToughShooter`	`ping learner`
`05:57.39`	`sussudio`	`~ping ToughShooter`
`05:57.41`	`ibot`	`pong ToughShooter`
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`06:04.40`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: what videocard do you have?`
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`06:10.27`	`sussudio`	`lan56: where do i tell it not to use SDL in devc++`
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`06:13.07`	`sussudio`	`lan56: where do i tell it not to use SDL in devc++`
`06:13.24`	`lan56`	`you can't, they're written like that`
`06:13.28`	`lan56`	`do you have direct x?`
`06:13.47`	`sussudio`	`as in windows with directx or what?`
`06:14.00`	`lan56`	`direct x sdk, or source files for direct x`
`06:14.21`	`sussudio`	`i've installed the default dev-c++, does that answer your question?`
`06:14.28`	`sussudio`	`i haven't added anything`
`06:14.49`	`lan56`	`yes, you do not have direct x, you will have to download & install sdl, it is only a megabyte or two, and is easy to install`
`06:15.04`	`lan56`	`it can even be done from right in dev-c++`
`06:15.15`	`sussudio`	`where?`
`06:15.28`	`sussudio`	`package manager?`
`06:15.33`	`lan56`	`open dev-c++, go to updates`
`06:15.40`	`lan56`	`then select the devpaks.org mirror`
`06:16.13`	`sussudio`	`"go to updates"...`
`06:16.17`	`lan56`	`check for updates, then scroll down a bit to where it says "SDL" version 1.28`
`06:16.19`	`lan56`	`in tools menu`
`06:16.35`	`lan56`	`"tools"->"check for updates/packages"`
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`06:18.13`	`sussudio`	`do i need to restart devc++`
`06:18.45`	`lan56`	`nope, just select the SDL pack from the updates list, download, installs automatically (shows a prompt), then that's it`
`06:18.49`	`lan56`	`you are then good to go`
`06:19.17`	`sussudio`	`ok, do i need to do a clean for bzflag now then, because it still says it can't find SDL`
`06:19.46`	`lan56`	`yes, you oughta recompile IF it installed correctly`
`06:20.09`	`orchid`	`ciao Tupone`
`06:20.18`	`Tupone`	`ciao`
`06:20.22`	`sussudio`	`at least it doesn't do BRRRLEEEP on errors like VC6`
`06:20.30`	`sussudio`	`bongiorno`
`06:20.52`	`Tupone`	`morgen`
`06:21.03`	`sussudio`	`tasso tasso tasso tasso, fungo fungo.`
`06:25.33`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: I have an NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5700`
`06:26.08`	`sussudio`	`that's a pretty recent card then`
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`06:26.40`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`http://www.amiannoying.com`
`06:28.56`	`sussudio`	`http://www.cailuino.it/natura/tasso.jpg`
`06:29.02`	`sussudio`	`ooh.`
`06:32.00`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`57`
`06:32.22`	`sussudio`	`ok, it still can't find SDL.`
`06:32.45`	`brlcad`	`snake`
`06:32.48`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`setup tools options directories?`
`06:33.34`	`sussudio`	`MeBigFatGuy: in devcc++blah`
`06:33.45`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`well there's your problem`
`06:33.52`	`sussudio`	`$#*@(`
`06:34.11`	`Tupone`	`sussudio: why not mingw :)`
`06:34.50`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`:)`
`06:34.56`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`take the quiz`
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`06:45.39`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: I told you the computer was still sparkly`
`06:46.45`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: how much memory?`
`06:46.53`	`SportChick`	`1 gig`
`06:46.56`	`sussudio`	`hmmm`
`06:47.43`	`sussudio`	`well, i notice on a lot of servers that people have excessive lag and jitter, but not me`
`06:47.47`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: here's the complete config`
`06:47.51`	`SportChick`	`II. Configuration`
`06:47.51`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:47.51`	`SportChick`	`Processor(s)`
`06:47.51`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:47.51`	`SportChick`	`Processor 1`
`06:47.52`	`SportChick`	`Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz`
`06:47.54`	`SportChick`	`Manufacturer: GenuineIntel`
`06:47.56`	`SportChick`	`Caption: x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9`
`06:47.59`	`SportChick`	`Version: Model 2, Stepping 9`
`06:48.02`	`SportChick`	`Processor Id: BFEBFBFF00000F29`
`06:48.06`	`SportChick`	`Current Clock Speed: 3400MHz`
`06:48.08`	`SportChick`	`Address Width: 32Bits`
`06:48.10`	`SportChick`	`Data Width: 32Bits`
`06:48.12`	`SportChick`	`Socket Designation: CPU 1`
`06:48.16`	`SportChick`	`Processor 2`
`06:48.20`	`SportChick`	`Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz`
`06:48.22`	`SportChick`	`Manufacturer: GenuineIntel`
`06:48.24`	`SportChick`	`Caption: x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9`
`06:48.26`	`SportChick`	`Version: Model 2, Stepping 9`
`06:48.28`	`SportChick`	`Processor Id: 0000000000000000`
`06:48.30`	`SportChick`	`Current Clock Speed: 3400MHz`
`06:48.32`	`SportChick`	`Address Width: 32Bits`
`06:48.36`	`SportChick`	`Data Width: 32Bits`
`06:48.38`	`SportChick`	`Socket Designation: CPU 2`
`06:48.40`	`SportChick`	`Verified Hardware Device against Order: CPU-3.4P4800`
`06:48.42`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:48.46`	`SportChick`	`Case Color: NEW CASE Other`
`06:48.51`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:48.54`	`SportChick`	`System Memory`
`06:48.56`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:48.58`	`SportChick`	`Memory Module 1`
`06:49.02`	`SportChick`	`Capacity: 512MB`
`06:49.06`	`SportChick`	`Bank Label: BANK0`
`06:49.08`	`SportChick`	`Data Width: 64Bits`
`06:49.10`	`SportChick`	`Socket Designation: DIMM0`
`06:49.13`	`SportChick`	`Verified Hardware Device against Order: MEM-MOBL512DDR400A`
`06:49.16`	`SportChick`	`Verify Correct Memory Type`
`06:49.20`	`SportChick`	`Verify Correct Memory Size`
`06:49.22`	`SportChick`	`Memory Module 2`
`06:49.24`	`SportChick`	`Capacity: 512MB`
`06:49.26`	`SportChick`	`Bank Label: BANK1`
`06:49.28`	`SportChick`	`Data Width: 64Bits`
`06:49.30`	`SportChick`	`Socket Designation: DIMM1`
`06:49.32`	`SportChick`	`Verified Hardware Device against Order: MEM-MOBL512DDR400A`
`06:49.36`	`SportChick`	`Verify Correct Memory Type`
`06:49.38`	`SportChick`	`Verify Correct Memory Size`
`06:49.41`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:49.42`	`SportChick`	`BIOS Information`
`06:49.46`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:49.51`	`SportChick`	`Manufacturer: American Megatrends Inc.`
`06:49.52`	`SportChick`	`Name: Default System BIOS`
`06:49.54`	`SportChick`	`Version: 080009`
`06:49.56`	`SportChick`	`Version: A M I - 6000409`
`06:49.58`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.02`	`SportChick`	`Motherboard Information`
`06:50.06`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.08`	`SportChick`	`Manufacturer: ALIENWARE`
`06:50.10`	`SportChick`	`Product: Area-51`
`06:50.12`	`SportChick`	`Serial Number:`
`06:50.16`	`SportChick`	`Version:`
`06:50.20`	`SportChick`	`Verified Hardware Device against Order: MB-766CONBLUE15.40A7`
`06:50.22`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.24`	`SportChick`	`Video Adapter`
`06:50.26`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.28`	`SportChick`	`Caption: NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5700`
`06:50.30`	`SportChick`	`Adapter RAM: 128MB`
`06:50.32`	`*** part/#bzflag jomojo (~jarednea@c-24-17-68-130.client.comcast.net)`
`06:50.32`	`SportChick`	`DriverVersion: 6.14.10.6220`
`06:50.36`	`SportChick`	`Verified Hardware Device against Order: MOBL-VID766NV36M128`
`06:50.38`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.40`	`SportChick`	`Hard Drive(s)`
`06:50.42`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.46`	`SportChick`	`HTS726060M9AT00`
`06:50.50`	`SportChick`	`Model: HTS726060M9AT00`
`06:50.52`	`SportChick`	`Size: 60GB`
`06:50.54`	`SportChick`	`Total Heads: 255`
`06:50.56`	`SportChick`	`Total Cylinders: 7296`
`06:50.58`	`SportChick`	`Total Tracks: 1860480`
`06:51.02`	`SportChick`	`Tracks Per Cylinder: 255`
`06:51.03`	`sussudio`	`~tmi`
`06:51.04`	`ibot`	`tmi stands for too much information`
`06:51.06`	`SportChick`	`Verified Hardware Device against Order: MOBL-HD60GB7200RPM`
`06:51.08`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.10`	`SportChick`	`Optical Drives / Other Storage`
`06:51.12`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.16`	`SportChick`	`Slimtype DVDRW SOSW-852S`
`06:51.20`	`SportChick`	`Verified Hardware Device against Order: MOBL-DVD8XDUALCOMUP`
`06:51.22`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.25`	`brlcad`	`eek`
`06:52.09`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: try going to http://dslreports.com/tweaks/ and see if your connection is okay`
`07:03.25`	`*** join/#bzflag PKMOBILE (~Matthew@130.85.253.237)`
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`07:16.04`	`SportChick`	`1. Your Tweakable Settings:`
`07:16.04`	`SportChick`	`Receive Window (RWIN): 65535`
`07:16.04`	`SportChick`	`Window Scaling: off`
`07:16.04`	`SportChick`	`Path MTU Discovery: ON`
`07:16.04`	`SportChick`	`RFC1323 Window Scaling: OFF`
`07:16.06`	`SportChick`	`RFC1323 Time Stamping: OFF`
`07:16.08`	`SportChick`	`Selective Acks: ON`
`07:16.11`	`SportChick`	`MSS requested: 1460`
`07:16.12`	`SportChick`	`TTL:`
`07:16.16`	`SportChick`	`(less any hops behind firewall)`
`07:16.18`	`SportChick`	`127`
`07:16.23`	`SportChick`	`TTL remaining: 113`
`07:16.24`	`SportChick`	`2. Test 146000 byte download`
`07:16.26`	`SportChick`	`Actual data bytes sent: 146000`
`07:16.28`	`SportChick`	`Actual data packets: 100`
`07:16.30`	`SportChick`	`Max packet sent (MTU): 1500`
`07:16.32`	`SportChick`	`Max packet recd (MTU): 1500`
`07:16.36`	`SportChick`	`Retransmitted data packets: 0`
`07:16.38`	`SportChick`	`sacks you sent: 0`
`07:16.40`	`SportChick`	`pushed data pkts: 5`
`07:16.42`	`SportChick`	`data transmit time: 0.917 secs`
`07:16.46`	`SportChick`	`our max idletime: 90.4 ms`
`07:16.48`	`SportChick`	`transfer rate: 115812 bytes/sec`
`07:16.50`	`sussudio`	`err`
`07:16.52`	`SportChick`	`transfer rate: 926 kbits/sec`
`07:16.54`	`SportChick`	`This is not a speed test!`
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`07:16.56`	`SportChick`	`transfer efficiency: 100%`
`07:16.58`	`SportChick`	`3. ICMP (ping) check`
`07:17.00`	`SportChick`	`Minimum ping: 77 ms`
`07:17.06`	`SportChick`	`Maximum ping: 82 ms`
`07:17.08`	`SportChick`	`Ping stability:`
`07:17.10`	`SportChick`	`82 79 77 81 80 82 78 80 81 77`
`07:17.12`	`SportChick`	`Notes and recommendations:`
`07:17.16`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:17.18`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:17.22`	`SportChick`
`07:17.24`	`SportChick`	`Notes and recommendations:`
`07:17.26`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:17.28`	`SportChick`
`07:17.29`	`jomojo_`	`jesus christ sportchick`
`07:17.30`	`SportChick`	`Notes and recommendations:`
`07:17.32`	`SportChick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:17.36`	`SportChick`	`all of the results were "looking good"`
`07:17.40`	`sussudio`	`you could've just posted the result url :-\|`
`07:17.48`	`SportChick`	`nice language, jomojo not`
`07:17.52`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: sorry`
`07:18.04`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: didn't know my results would stay in the url`
`07:18.21`	`jomojo_`	`nice langauge, not?? uhm okay.. sure`
`07:18.28`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: i find the 1500 MTU a bit odd... don't you have a pppoe connection?`
`07:18.38`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: pppoe?`
`07:18.51`	`sussudio`	`the protocol your cablemodem uses`
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`07:20.04`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: is there some way to tell on my end?`
`07:20.26`	`noyb`	`SportChick: do you work in so-cal?`
`07:20.30`	`sussudio`	`not really without much fuzz`
`07:20.35`	`SportChick`	`nyob: yes`
`07:20.57`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: what else do you have running besides mirc and bzflag? AIM?`
`07:21.13`	`noyb`	`do you have a license plate with your bz name?`
`07:21.25`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: firefox, outlook express`
`07:21.26`	`*** join/#bzflag MeBigFatGuy (dave@balt-209-150-117-188.dynamic-dial.qis.net)`
`07:21.31`	`SportChick`	`noyb: no`
`07:21.33`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`now cerberus2 is a pretty world`
`07:21.40`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`finally a world that uses some of 2.0`
`07:21.46`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: no ICQ or anything?`
`07:22.02`	`SportChick`	`mebi: there was one I was on earlier that did too`
`07:22.03`	`noyb`	`SportChick: I saw a car a few days ago with SPORTCK or something close.`
`07:22.06`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: no`
`07:22.22`	`SportChick`	`noyb: nope - personalized plates cost money`
`07:22.28`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: on what servers is your jitter the worst?`
`07:22.37`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: all of them`
`07:22.44`	`sussudio`	`even ducati?`
`07:23.02`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: even when my lag is really really low (32ms) then I get jitter. When it's high, it's just ridiculous.`
`07:24.30`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: everyone's jitter on secretplace is real low now...`
`07:24.32`	`sussudio`	`3-4ms`
`07:25.06`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: under 1.10, I had jitter of 0 - all the time. Now I have jitter ranging from 10 to 45`
`07:25.10`	`SportChick`	`(on sp)`
`07:27.13`	`sussudio`	`hmz`
`07:27.37`	`sussudio`	`well the difference between 1.10 and 2.0 is SDL......`
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`07:28.48`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: do you use onboard sound?`
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`07:35.58`	`SportChick`	`uhhhh - I use the internal speakers`
`07:37.21`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: i seem to recall a problem with hyperthreading and some software... do you know how to turn that off on your PC?`
`07:42.33`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: nope`
`07:42.52`	`sussudio`	`SportChick: have you recently ran ad-aware on your PC?`
`07:44.58`	`SportChick`	`yes`
`07:45.05`	`SportChick`	`and I'm using firefox, not ie`
`07:45.11`	`SportChick`	`so I have all that stuff blocked`
`07:46.12`	`sussudio`	`well, all i can think of now is it may be the hyperthreading... it's a pentium 4 thing`
`07:46.15`	`*** part/#bzflag jomojo_ (~jomojo@c-24-17-68-130.client.comcast.net)`
`07:47.23`	`sussudio`	`i think the only way to turn that off is in the BIOS setup`
`07:49.08`	`sussudio`	`hmmmm`
`07:49.27`	`sussudio`	`"Bring up your task manager and select the Processes tab`
`07:49.27`	`sussudio`	`right click on your application and choose affinity and uncheck`
`07:49.27`	`sussudio`	`one of the processors. This way you can still use HT with`
`07:49.27`	`sussudio`	`your other apps"`
`07:49.59`	`sussudio`	`try if that works for bzflag`
`07:50.30`	`sussudio`	`i'd guess it would have to be running at the time you do that`
`07:52.16`	`SportChick`	`hrm - my lag just went up significantly - and the jitter remains as bad`
`07:53.50`	`SportChick`	`actually, jitter seems worse`
`07:53.58`	`sussudio`	`worse without HT?`
`07:54.44`	`SportChick`	`yes`
`07:54.58`	`sussudio`	`do you have a Dell PC?`
`07:55.25`	`SportChick`	`no`
`07:55.27`	`SportChick`	`alienware`
`07:56.10`	`sussudio`	`well, i don't know if there's a way in bzflag to totally turn off sound support...`
`07:56.49`	`sussudio`	`you don't have an USB modem, do you?`
`07:57.22`	`SportChick`	`no`
`07:57.35`	`SportChick`	`the config info is above`
`07:57.36`	`sussudio`	`k.`
`07:58.10`	`sussudio`	`tried defragging your harddisk?`
`07:58.35`	`SportChick`	`I could but there's barely anything on it`
`07:58.53`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: where are you located?`
`07:58.59`	`sussudio`	`.nl`
`07:59.33`	`sussudio`	`what server were you just on?`
`08:01.02`	`SportChick`	`cerebrus or whatever it's called`
`08:01.05`	`SportChick`	`still there`
`08:01.20`	`sussudio`	`k`
`08:05.38`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: good night`
`08:05.44`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: thanks for all your help`
`08:05.50`	`SportChick`	`~sussudio++`
`08:06.30`	`sussudio`	`k my jitter is about the same on that server`
`08:09.01`	`SportChick`	`try secretplace`
`08:09.28`	`sussudio`	`it's low on secretplace`
`08:12.03`	`sussudio`	`well, about the same as you`
`08:12.14`	`sussudio`	`but i just started azureus on this pc... it was lower before`
`08:15.28`	`SportChick`	`sussudio: yes, but I used to NEVER EVER have jitter on sp - I have played there for ...well, a really long time - 18 months maybe. and suddenly on 2.0 I have lots of jitter. It's very frustrating`
`08:15.52`	`sussudio`	`k`
`08:15.53`	`sussudio`	`cu`
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`10:13.17`	`cristi`	`hi all`
`10:16.56`	`cristi`	`~bzfquery 82.137.26.35:5154`
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`10:31.50`	`cristi`	`anyone is from romania ?`
`10:32.05`	`cristi`	`cineva e din romania ?`
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`10:45.59`	`cods`	`~bzflist`
`10:46.58`	`cristi`	`mmm`
`10:47.03`	`cods`	`hmm, I can't ask ibot in private for ~bzflist ?`
`10:47.09`	`cristi`	`my server isn't listed ;)`
`10:47.21`	`cristi`	`do not know`
`10:47.25`	`cristi`	`(`
`10:47.39`	`cristi`	`how to see brlcad's status`
`10:47.41`	`cristi`	`??`
`10:47.53`	`cristi`	`maybe "!status brlcad" ?`
`10:47.58`	`cristi`	`!status brlcad`
`10:47.58`	`guu`	`cristi: Since Sun Jan 30 11:29:42 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 1 question. I have been awake for 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 17 seconds this session, and currently reference 1490 factoids. Addressing is in require mode.`
`10:48.15`	`cristi`	`!seen brlcad`
`10:48.15`	`guu`	`cristi: brlcad was last seen here 3 hours, 56 minutes, and 49 seconds ago saying: <brlcad> eek`
`10:48.43`	`cristi`	`guu: from where is brlcad ?`
`10:50.56`	`cods`	`how is your question related to bzflag ?`
`11:42.01`	`Pimpi`	`cods: i can adress ibot both, in msg and query, but i know that some others couldn't`
`11:42.20`	`Pimpi`	`no idea why`
`11:42.40`	`cods`	`oh.. ok. I just tested 'bzflist' without '~', and it work.`
`11:43.24`	`cods`	`so, it's probably because people try with '~' when asking in private.`
`11:46.42`	`Pimpi`	`yeah, might be, i also use without ~, wouldn't make sense with, no?`
`11:57.40`	`Pimpi`	`if a player without local account logs in and verifies globally, will he be added to my local userdb?`
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`12:03.14`	`Pimpi`	`yeah, it looks ike that, and they are also automatically granted LOGAL.GLOBAL`
`12:05.17`	`jpa_`	`afternoon`
`12:09.20`	`jpa_`	`what shall i learn today: how to make pointer-lists in c++`
`12:09.48`	`Pimpi`	`nice`
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`13:27.28`	`jpa_`	`hello ts`
`13:27.50`	`ToughShooter`	`hi there`
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`15:00.41`	`Pimpi`	`a windows user here?`
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`15:01.42`	`stevek`	`morning all`
`15:01.58`	`Pimpi`	`hi stevek , you're a windows user?`
`15:02.06`	`stevek`	`huh?`
`15:02.29`	`stevek`	`right now i'm on a mandrake 9.x system... and sgk284 at home is on FC3`
`15:02.34`	`Pimpi`	`k`
`15:02.36`	`stevek`	`where you getting windows from?`
`15:02.44`	`stevek`	`:)`
`15:03.14`	`Pimpi`	`trying to help a friend, but last windows versin i used was win95...`
`15:03.49`	`stevek`	`oh... okay, i thought you saying that my cctp info was saying iwas on windows or something:)`
`15:04.00`	`Pimpi`	`oh, you're sgk284?`
`15:04.07`	`Pimpi`	`hm, didn't try that`
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`15:16.18`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi stevek`
`15:16.22`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi Pimpi`
`15:16.37`	`Pimpi`	`hey Nidhoggr :)`
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`15:21.18`	`ToughShooter`	`hello nid`
`15:22.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi ToughShooter`
`15:22.49`	`Nidhoggr`	`how goes?`
`15:23.34`	`ToughShooter`	`Nidhoggr: I wrote a test today and I was pretty bad...other than that I'm fine`
`15:24.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`sorry to hear about the test. glad to hear you are good otherwise. :)`
`15:25.00`	`ToughShooter`	`Will you use https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1118624&group_id=3248&atid=303248 once a dev finds time to check it in?`
`15:26.12`	`SportChick`	`Nidhoggr: no progress on the jitter issue`
`15:26.23`	`SportChick`	`Was up until after midnight trying thing`
`15:26.27`	`SportChick`	`s`
`15:26.34`	`JBdiGriz`	`G'Morning Mr. Grumbler`
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`15:26.44`	`ToughShooter`	`~x en de jitter`
`15:26.49`	`randyandy`	`hi !`
`15:27.02`	`ToughShooter`	`~dict jitter`
`15:27.10`	`SportChick`	`ts: the tanks being really jery - sort of like lag, but skipping`
`15:27.10`	`randyandy`	`Sorry , had to go out for a few minutes ...`
`15:27.17`	`SportChick`	`~x en de shipping`
`15:27.19`	`SportChick`	`oops`
`15:27.27`	`SportChick`	`~x en de skipping`
`15:27.32`	`Grumbler`	`G'day JBdiGriz`
`15:27.38`	`Nidhoggr`	`ToughShooter: I don't see why not.`
`15:27.44`	`SportChick`	`~x en de skip`
`15:27.44`	`ToughShooter`	`Überspringen`
`15:27.53`	`SportChick`	`ts: yes`
`15:28.07`	`SportChick`	`in front of you one second and somewhere else the next`
`15:28.19`	`ToughShooter`	`Nidhoggr: I asked because the server would have to be restarted`
`15:28.25`	`Nidhoggr`	`nod`
`15:28.53`	`Nidhoggr`	`it will be a while before I do that, unless more bug fixes are done.`
`15:28.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`15:29.10`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad does a great job, every time I have diffed it he updated swear list and I had to re-diff`
`15:29.21`	`Grumbler`	`Nidhoggr, half the dragon is done`
`15:29.44`	`Nidhoggr`	`oooh`
`15:29.50`	`Grumbler`	`he is a bit pudgy, and it will probably be too complicated to play effectively, but it will look cool :)`
`15:30.04`	`Nidhoggr`	`heh`
`15:31.07`	`ToughShooter`	`SportChick: I've a problem connecting to secretplace from university. I can't log in with my callsign but with an unregistered one`
`15:32.21`	`Grumbler`	`where is bryjen when you need him to remember something`
`15:32.31`	`ToughShooter`	`Grumbler: There is no proxy that I'm aware of. At least Firefox can connect with no proxy settings`
`15:33.15`	`Grumbler`	`ToughShooter, i am not the expert, but apparently there is an invisible proxy thing, that speeds up transfers by caching local copies, you dont see it, its just there`
`15:34.24`	`Grumbler`	`i forgot the command line, but you have to try and connect to the server using port 81, as opposed to port 80`
`15:34.25`	`ToughShooter`	`Grumbler: Glad I've explicitly said "that I'm aware of" :)`
`15:34.44`	`Grumbler`	`err, not the server, the list server`
`15:34.58`	`ToughShooter`	`Grumbler: At least one time I wasn't soo confused`
`15:35.00`	`Grumbler`	`i should probably look in the irc logs and find the conversations`
`15:35.45`	`Grumbler`	`fyi, happy chinese new year everyone`
`15:36.01`	`menotume`	`thanks Grumbler. What year is it ?`
`15:36.31`	`menotume`	`The Year of the Tank, I hope.`
`15:36.31`	`Grumbler`	`believe its the year of the dragon`
`15:36.31`	`menotume`	`again?`
`15:36.33`	`menotume`	`geeez`
`15:36.35`	`menotume`	`:)`
`15:37.06`	`Grumbler`	`ToughShooter, try this command line the next time you are at the universitat..... bzflag -list http://db.bzflag.org:81/bzfls.php`
`15:37.50`	`Grumbler`	`full discussion is @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20050208.html.gz search for proxy`
`15:38.00`	`ToughShooter`	`Grumbler: Why does the connection to a manually entered server does depend on the list server?`
`15:38.47`	`Grumbler`	`it has something to do with the token passed from the list server to the server for verification................again, this is an assumption i am making`
`15:39.26`	`Grumbler`	`with the invisible proxy, it caches the token.......and that token is no longer good the next time you play`
`15:40.14`	`Grumbler`	`no invisible proxy maybe?`
`15:40.15`	`ToughShooter`	`Well, anyway thank you`
`15:40.34`	`Grumbler`	`only if it works.....otherwise you can lart me`
`15:41.01`	`ToughShooter`	`~x en de lart`
`15:41.11`	`Grumbler`	`!lart Grumbler`
`15:41.57`	`ToughShooter`	`Grumbler: I first thought I should learn more vocabularies...`
`15:43.24`	`Nidhoggr`	`what are you loving about it?`
`15:43.31`	`JBdiGriz`	`Grumbler: http://www.chinapage.com/newyear.html (Maybe we can provide a bit more clue to this group today)`
`15:44.01`	`Grumbler`	`yeah, its my year baby`
`15:47.40`	`Pimpi`	`there's always a reason to consume too much alcohol`
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`15:49.35`	`ToughShooter`	`Is brlcad == learner?`
`15:50.41`	`ToughShooter`	`I wonder who I should make aware of my requested patch`
`15:52.01`	`randyandy`	`bye guys! :-)`
`15:52.28`	`Grumbler`	`ToughShooter, either, they are sort of one in the same person`
`15:55.10`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, interesting approach..`
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`16:00.25`	`jpa_`	`eww... now to decide`
`16:00.46`	`menotume`	`CapN - you figured it out !`
`16:01.00`	`CapN`	`:)`
`16:01.03`	`jpa_`	`wether to change the whole way bzflag is doing flag-stuff, probably break protocol and make it much more clever and cool`
`16:01.04`	`[dmp]`	`dont shoot me`
`16:01.18`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, my IRC client begins to missbehave...have to quit`
`16:01.24`	`jpa_`	`or just to add maxflags for zone, not break protocol`
`16:01.49`	`jpa_`	`and make the code even more complicated and ugly :/`
`16:02.28`	`jpa_`	`~bzfrag [dmp]`
`16:02.30`	`ibot`	`ACTION skewers [dmp] with a super bullet`
`16:02.40`	`menotume`	`:)`
`16:02.45`	`[dmp]`	`cheater`
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`16:02.51`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
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`16:12.46`	`brlcad`	`jomojo: ./configure --without-SDL CPPFLAGS="-DHAVE_CGLGETCURRENTCONTEXT"`
`16:12.51`	`brlcad`	`not CURRENT_CONTEXT`
`16:13.27`	`Grumbler`	`!lart the ctf daners`
`16:19.38`	`Nidhoggr`	`good morning, brlcad`
`16:24.00`	`jpa_`	`mew bzfs $ ./bzfs -world ~/test.bzw +f WG{50} -q`
`16:24.00`	`jpa_`	`Segmentation fault`
`16:24.14`	`jpa_`	`promising start for maxflagsperzone support :)`
`16:26.06`	`blast007`	`jpa_: hehe`
`16:26.45`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: have you seen my patch?`
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`16:49.43`	`jpa_`	`yumm...noodles`
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`16:51.46`	`menotume`	`ctf daners? /me thinks only [dmp] is a dane here`
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`16:54.47`	`menotume`	brlcad: I get: checking host system type... Invalid configuration `CPPFLAGS=-DHAVE_CGLGETCURRENTCONTEXT': machine `CPPFLAGS=' not recognized
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`17:22.38`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6s: update poll options`
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`17:34.44`	`Grumbler`	`heres a line you dont hear everyday... This sort of excitement and speculation about chips is driven by the "Battlestar Galactica" principle.`
`17:35.53`	`blast007`	`heh :)`
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`17:36.38`	`Grumbler`	`the article was ok, but the analogy was just poor........like he was trying to throw in scifi to connect with geeks.....bad show, mate`
`17:36.52`	`Grumbler`	`http://news.com.com/Cell+chip+Hit+or+hype/2010-1006_3-5568046.html`
`17:37.48`	`cristi`	`jpa_: you know how to use materials with python scripts?`
`17:38.23`	`Thumper_`	`cristi: start listening and stop pestering people`
`17:38.50`	`Thumper_`	`I've already told you where to get your info. people have better things to do than explain it to you over and over again`
`17:39.16`	`cristi`	`Thumper__: ok`
`17:40.13`	`jpa_`	`read the Source`
`17:40.39`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, pop him a mail?`
`17:40.43`	`jpa_`	`olympics map and especially bzland have lot of uses of them`
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`17:45.54`	`cristi`	`bzflag.tuxee.net doesn't work :(`
`17:45.57`	`cristi`	`:\|`
`17:46.14`	`cristi`	`my browser says: Waiting for bzflag.tuxee.net`
`17:46.23`	`cristi`	`...`
`17:46.43`	`JeffM2501`	`cristi, then it's down`
`17:46.45`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll live`
`17:47.02`	`cristi`	`JeffM2501, k`
`17:48.15`	`Thumper_`	`tuxee is down`
`17:48.25`	`Thumper_`	`source will be on norang.ca shortly`
`17:48.34`	`jpa_`	`hmph.. my code just keeps segfaulting`
`17:49.24`	`jpa_`	`in a place there is no reason for it to segfault in`
`17:49.47`	`jpa_`	`while it is probably just that i do not understand c++ pointers`
`17:50.27`	`JeffM2501`	`grumber if you want to see a sad channel, try opencombat :)`
`17:50.37`	`JeffM2501`	`c++ pointers are the same as C pointers`
`17:50.48`	`JeffM2501`	`have you steped thru in a debuger?`
`17:51.53`	`jpa_`	`stepped.. no, maybe i should do that`
`17:52.11`	`jpa_`	`gdb says it is in customzone.cxx, but it should not be there`
`17:52.21`	`jpa_`	`and no, i do not understand c pointers either :)`
`17:52.46`	`JeffM2501`	`use a debuger to see how it got there`
`17:52.53`	`JeffM2501`	`that's what they are made for :)`
`17:53.19`	`jpa_`	`i know where it comes from :)`
`17:53.28`	`jpa_`	`but it is just..hmm..`
`17:54.08`	`JeffM2501`	`the debuger will show you the state that your in when you die and you can see what is wrong`
`17:54.23`	`ToughShooter`	`~bzflist bzflag.secretplace.us:5255`
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`17:56.24`	`jpa_`	`JeffM2501: could you take look at http://www.pastebin.com/239715`
`17:56.32`	`Pimpi`	`could somebody take a look on this: http://balin.pimpi.org/handlesaycommand.txt`
`17:56.55`	`jpa_`	`what i want to do is to separate getZonePoint to get the zone for the point`
`17:56.56`	`Pimpi`	`i get this error:`
`17:56.59`	`Pimpi`	commands.cxx: In function `void handleSayCmd(GameKeeper::Player, const char)
`17:57.00`	`Pimpi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:57.00`	`Pimpi`	commands.cxx:2183: error: invalid conversion from `unsigned char' to `
`17:57.00`	`Pimpi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:57.19`	`ToughShooter`	`ping Nidhoggr`
`17:57.23`	`Pimpi`	`maybe i'm stupid, but i see no error`
`17:57.32`	`Nidhoggr`	`pong: ToughShooter`
`17:57.54`	`*** join/#bzflag ep (~ep@ip68-97-124-161.ok.ok.cox.net)`
`17:58.01`	`ToughShooter`	`I can't connect to secretplace. I get a "Server not found!" but players are playing there now`
`17:58.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`let me check the logs.`
`17:58.22`	`ToughShooter`	`edini confirms it`
`17:58.36`	`JeffM2501`	`jpa_, where does it die?`
`17:58.48`	`bz8801`	`~bzfquery jaffa.serveftp.net:5154`
`17:58.56`	`jpa_`	`JeffM2501: in the zone->getRandomPoint(`
`17:59.10`	`jpa_`	`JeffM2501: that jumps to customzone.cxx, that i have not modified`
`17:59.19`	`JeffM2501`	`is zone valid?`
`17:59.52`	`Nidhoggr`	`~bzflist`
`18:00.04`	`jpa_`	`JeffM2501: yes`
`18:00.18`	`JeffM2501`	`you SURE?`
`18:00.23`	`JeffM2501`	`cus your never testing zone`
`18:00.25`	`jpa_`	`works with non-modified`
`18:00.31`	`JeffM2501`	`just the return from entry sozne`
`18:00.36`	`jpa_`	`umm`
`18:00.36`	`jpa_`	`oh`
`18:00.41`	`JeffM2501`	`slap a breakpoint there`
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`18:00.44`	`jpa_`	`you mean like that`
`18:00.44`	`JeffM2501`	`see what zone is`
`18:00.54`	`JeffM2501`	`best to init zone to NULL`
`18:00.57`	`_Manu_`	`Hi all!`
`18:01.04`	`JeffM2501`	`then make sure it's NOT NULL before you use it.`
`18:01.06`	`Pimpi`	`JeffM2501: if you have a minute, would you take a look at the link i posted?`
`18:01.13`	`jpa_`	`JeffM2501: ok`
`18:01.32`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpi, link?`
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`18:01.46`	`Pimpi`	`http://balin.pimpi.org/handlesaycommand.txt`
`18:02.03`	`Pimpi`	commands.cxx: In function `void handleSayCmd(GameKeeper::Player, const char)
`18:02.03`	`Pimpi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:02.03`	`Pimpi`	commands.cxx:2183: error: invalid conversion from `unsigned char' to `
`18:02.03`	`Pimpi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:02.15`	`_Manu_`	`Pimpi: receivind my new patch?`
`18:02.20`	`Pimpi`	`JeffM2501: this error occurrs`
`18:02.31`	`Pimpi`	`_Manu_: hi! yep, got it`
`18:02.39`	`Pimpi`	`ty`
`18:02.44`	`_Manu_`	`Pimpi: last 30 minutes changes :)`
`18:02.56`	`JeffM2501`	`what is like 2183?`
`18:03.23`	`jpa_`	`JeffM2501: ok, you were right`
`18:03.37`	`Pimpi`	`the last sendMessage is 2183`
`18:03.50`	`jpa_`	`JeffM2501: i was thinking that it wouldn't even go to customzone.cxx if zone was not valid, but i was wrong`
`18:03.56`	`jpa_`	`now to debug more ->`
`18:04.03`	`jpa_`	`~jeffm2501++`
`18:04.20`	`JeffM2501`	`jpa_, it dosn't know the zone is invalid, your telling it to call that function on whatever object is in the memory for your zone pointer`
`18:04.24`	`Pimpi`	`_Manu_: wow, i'm working for 30 minutes on a single bug`
`18:04.28`	`JeffM2501`	`c++ lets you do exacty what you tell the compiler to do`
`18:04.34`	`JeffM2501`	`there is no protection`
`18:04.37`	`JeffM2501`	`java it ain't`
`18:04.38`	`brlcad`	`menotume: CPPFLAGS="-D..." .. need quotes`
`18:04.58`	`_Manu_`	`Pimpi: heh... i want more free time.. but actually i can't`
`18:05.06`	`Pimpi`	`;)`
`18:05.17`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpi, check the calling order for send message, what's the paramaters for it?`
`18:05.40`	`jpa_`	`JeffM2501: yup.. i have got too used into python and that kind of languages`
`18:06.07`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah they are languages for people who want the language to take care of that`
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`18:06.15`	`JeffM2501`	`it's one thing that makes them a dad slower`
`18:06.20`	`Pimpi`	`void sendMessage`
`18:06.20`	`Pimpi`	`(`
`18:06.20`	`Pimpi`	`int`
`18:06.20`	`Pimpi`	`playerIndex,`
`18:06.20`	`Pimpi`	`PlayerId`
`18:06.20`	`JeffM2501`	`but also makes them easyer to use`
`18:06.20`	`Pimpi`	`dstPlayer,`
`18:06.22`	`Pimpi`	`const char *`
`18:06.24`	`Pimpi`	`message`
`18:06.26`	`Pimpi`	`)`
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`18:07.00`	`jpa_`	`JeffM2501: yep.. lovely to use.. they like read your thoughts and do what you mean to do, no matter how you say it :)`
`18:07.14`	`Nidhoggr`	`looks like the server crashed with no indication why`
`18:07.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`I just restarted it.`
`18:07.22`	`JeffM2501`	`sometimes that can bite you in the butt if you want to speciflcy do things that are "wierd"`
`18:07.32`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpi, then I woudl think sendMessage(ServerPlayer, t, "Usage: /say some message"); would work fine`
`18:07.44`	`JeffM2501`	`serverplayer is of the correct type?`
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`18:07.50`	`ToughShooter`	`Nidhoggr: It works again. :)`
`18:07.58`	`tea\|tree`	`hola all :o)`
`18:08.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`ToughShooter: I just restarted the server. :(`
`18:08.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi tea\|tree`
`18:08.32`	`ToughShooter`	`Nidhoggr: I read it. Be lucky that it wasn't the OS. ;-)`
`18:08.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`that might make me grouchy. :)`
`18:08.55`	`jpa_`	`is CustomZone zone = ((CustomZone ) &zones[zoneIndex]); somehow different than CustomZone *zone in function definition and zone = ((CustomZone ......); ?`
`18:09.45`	`JeffM2501`	`what is zones?`
`18:10.42`	`jpa_`	`zones is typedef std::vector<WorldFileLocation> ZoneList;`
`18:10.58`	`jpa_`	`(do not understand what is worldfilelocation...)`
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`18:11.28`	`Nidhoggr`	`I just hope this crash was a fluke, and we don't have another crash bug.`
`18:12.57`	`Chestal`	`is \| allowed in bzbb names?`
`18:13.12`	`ToughShooter`	`Nidhoggr: How many traffic are created by 20 players per second/minute/hour/day?`
`18:13.20`	`ToughShooter`	`is`
`18:13.31`	`jpa_`	`but now ->`
`18:16.57`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not a cusomzone`
`18:17.13`	`JeffM2501`	`so no it's not the same as a zone pointer`
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`18:18.27`	`ToughShooter_`	`Nidhoggr: Wanted to connect a minute ago and my client was crashing with "Server not found!" again and took my whole system down`
`18:18.56`	`blast007`	`ToughShooter_: :(`
`18:20.09`	`ToughShooter_`	`It has something to do with OpenGL, I suppose, because it blacks my whole screen even if I run BZFlag in windowed mode`
`18:20.49`	`blast007`	`might be putting the screen into an unsupported refresh rate`
`18:21.06`	`ToughShooter_`	`I use an LCD...`
`18:21.10`	`blast007`	`hmm`
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`18:25.12`	`ToughShooter_`	`JeffM2501: Can you do me a favor, please?`
`18:27.51`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: You seem to live in a similar timezone as learner/brlcads. Can you tell one of them that I looked over german swear list part. It's https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=303248&aid=1118624&group_id=3248`
`18:31.12`	`JeffM2501`	`just send him a botmail`
`18:31.28`	`JeffM2501`	`do ibot message for brlcad whatever you want to say`
`18:31.33`	`Tupone`	`ToughShooter: they don't live in the same timezone`
`18:31.42`	`JeffM2501`	`he's 3 hours ahead of me`
`18:32.13`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: I have GMT +1...`
`18:32.18`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`18:32.24`	`JeffM2501`	`still botmail :)`
`18:32.28`	`JeffM2501`	`or bzbbpm`
`18:33.22`	`ToughShooter`	`botmail?`
`18:34.02`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:34.08`	`JeffM2501`	`do ibot message for brlcad whatever you want to say`
`18:34.15`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot can send a message`
`18:34.22`	`Tupone`	`though learner and brlcad live in the same tz`
`18:34.29`	`JeffM2501`	`that they do`
`18:34.30`	`ToughShooter`	`I don't know how this works`
`18:34.38`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, I just told you`
`18:34.39`	`JeffM2501`	`do ibot message for brlcad whatever you want to say`
`18:34.45`	`JeffM2501`	`like 3 times`
`18:35.06`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: I've seen everyone one of your messages :P`
`18:35.09`	`brlcad`	`and I've seen the patch`
`18:35.12`	`brlcad`	`it'll get added`
`18:35.21`	`brlcad`	`patience .. patience :)`
`18:35.22`	`JeffM2501`	`or just wait for him to say that`
`18:35.23`	`brlcad`	`and thanks`
`18:35.23`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: Thanks`
`18:35.49`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: I tend to get impatient when I get no reply :(`
`18:36.11`	`brlcad`	`every time I went to reply, you were gone`
`18:36.21`	`Grumbler`	`brlcad just busy look for rings in the next galaxy again`
`18:36.50`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad: hola!`
`18:36.54`	`brlcad`	`~fling at people in #bzflag`
`18:36.56`	`ibot`	`ACTION flings forks at people in #bzflag`
`18:37.16`	`brlcad`	`hola, _Manu_ ! qué tal?`
`18:37.26`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, pop him a mail?`
`18:37.37`	`brlcad`	`on my todo`
`18:37.41`	`brlcad`	`oh`
`18:37.47`	`brlcad`	`looked at another disc last night`
`18:37.54`	`brlcad`	`it was a dev disk from 1994`
`18:37.54`	`JeffM2501`	`and..........................?`
`18:37.57`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad: envie a pimpi mis ultimos cambios... leiste el mensaje?`
`18:38.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and...................................?`
`18:38.09`	`brlcad`	`and.....................................nope`
`18:38.18`	`brlcad`	`wasn't on the disk`
`18:38.27`	`JeffM2501`	`you suck`
`18:38.34`	`brlcad`	`dumped the entire thing to disk and searched for "bz" .. nothing`
`18:41.22`	`blast007`	`so you are looking for that sgi game called "bz"?`
`18:41.52`	`blast007`	`hmm, guess this might just be the binary version...`
`18:45.31`	`cristi`	`i do not found the BZEdit 1.6.2 for linux :(`
`18:45.42`	`blast007`	`cristi: there isn't one`
`18:45.54`	`cristi`	`but pyBzEdit ?`
`18:45.55`	`cristi`	`:)`
`18:46.03`	`blast007`	`but the win32 one can be run in Wine sometimes`
`18:46.22`	`cristi`	`from where i can download Wine ?`
`18:46.27`	`blast007`	`google`
`18:46.43`	`blast007`	`behold the power of the search button!`
`18:47.12`	`cristi`	`lol`
`18:47.49`	`Thumper_`	`cristi: http://arch.norang.ca/ has map code on it`
`18:48.04`	`*** join/#bzflag m0nkey_poo (creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net)`
`18:48.46`	`cristi`	`:P`
`18:49.46`	`*** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user)`
`18:59.05`	`brlcad`	`blast007: yep .. looking for the soruces`
`18:59.55`	`cristi`	`brlcad, youre from romania?`
`19:01.35`	`brlcad`	`cristi: what makes you think that?`
`19:01.53`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
`19:02.06`	`cristi`	`who is from romania ???`
`19:02.22`	`_Manu_`	`perhaps you? :)`
`19:02.27`	`cristi`	`:)))))))))))))))))))))`
`19:02.29`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`19:02.39`	`cristi`	`yes`
`19:02.40`	`cristi`	`:))`
`19:04.48`	`JeffM2501`	`cristi, dude drop the smiliys`
`19:05.19`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, that is posible`
`19:06.00`	`bryjen`	`wasn't creeperz asked to change his quit message?`
`19:06.32`	`blast007`	`he changed it a little....changed the u to a * .....`
`19:06.36`	`_Manu_`	`heh... remember it.. but the problem is that you remember when he quit.`
`19:06.39`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, yes he was`
`19:06.42`	`JeffM2501`	`what is it now?`
`19:06.52`	`JeffM2501`	`the iddiot`
`19:07.03`	`_Manu_`	`read up ^`
`19:07.07`	`JeffM2501`	`I did`
`19:07.51`	`*** join/#bzflag SportyGal (sportygali@67-21-174-30.stmnca.adelphia.net)`
`19:08.30`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+q creeperz!@] by brlcad`
`19:08.44`	`brlcad`	`now it'll be easier to remember when he complains`
`19:08.52`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`19:09.22`	`TimRiker`	`anyone looked at opengl-es and thought about making bzflag work with it?`
`19:09.33`	`brlcad`	`you never _have_ to`
`19:09.36`	`JeffM2501`	`es = embeded systems?`
`19:09.43`	`SportyGal`	`brlcad: when I'm at work and they make me, I do`
`19:09.51`	`TimRiker`	`JeffM2501: nod.`
`19:10.08`	`JeffM2501`	`you want bzflag to run on an ATM?`
`19:10.35`	`Grumbler`	`haha.......fastcash or GM flag`
`19:10.35`	`crko`	`anybody has a good suggestion for editing 2.0 bzw files?`
`19:10.40`	`crko`	`an editor or script?`
`19:10.46`	`JeffM2501`	`notepad`
`19:10.48`	`blast007`	`crko: vim ;)`
`19:10.51`	`TimRiker`	`http://www.khronos.org/opengles/`
`19:11.01`	`crko`	`blast007, darn it i'm on vim now`
`19:11.01`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy prefer using VC6 for text edits`
`19:11.02`	`crko`	`:P`
`19:11.03`	`TimRiker`	`JeffM2501: rather target cellphones. ;-)`
`19:11.06`	`Grumbler`	`how is purple_cow 's python plugins for blender coming`
`19:11.29`	`JeffM2501`	`TimRiker, talk to JBdiGriz, he is in the celphone biz`
`19:11.41`	`blast007`	`TimRiker: hehe, I can imagine someone playing BZFlag while driving ;)`
`19:11.44`	`JeffM2501`	`works for qualcom IIRC`
`19:11.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I've only done 2d stuff on phones`
`19:11.59`	`JeffM2501`	`input latency is HORIBLE`
`19:12.05`	`TimRiker`	`the TI folks are considering hacking it for a demo on the OMAP 2420`
`19:12.15`	`JeffM2501`	`150ms between input events, minimum`
`19:12.21`	`TimRiker`	`ugh`
`19:12.32`	`JeffM2501`	`the new phones may be better`
`19:13.24`	`TimRiker`	`I would expect them to be much different. ie: better.`
`19:13.33`	`JeffM2501`	`I woudl't`
`19:13.40`	`JeffM2501`	`they arn't made for playing games`
`19:14.01`	`JeffM2501`	`never seen a smart cellphone designer who thinks of posible software apps`
`19:14.13`	`JeffM2501`	`one reason I turned down the job doing it`
`19:14.19`	`TimRiker`	`more and more of them are becoming pdas. logical to be gaming platforms next.`
`19:14.35`	`Grumbler`	`ie, the nokia game pad`
`19:14.39`	`JeffM2501`	`TimRiker, except that the ngauge DIED`
`19:14.42`	`TimRiker`	`I'm not expecting that this year, but over time.`
`19:14.45`	`JeffM2501`	`it sells for crap`
`19:15.03`	`JeffM2501`	`market trend shows that people play games on cell phones when bored, not as a real gaming platform`
`19:15.17`	`JeffM2501`	`cell games are what you do when you have to wait in a line`
`19:15.19`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`19:15.22`	`JeffM2501`	`it's what you do when waiting`
`19:15.36`	`JeffM2501`	`they are games you have to be able to put down instantly`
`19:15.52`	`JeffM2501`	`cus the phone may ring at any time`
`19:16.08`	`TimRiker`	`right. I don't think the focus will be gaming. I do think that as video gets more advanced also cpu power etc, that games will get better.`
`19:16.09`	`JeffM2501`	`real time network games don't realy fit that ideal that well`
`19:16.20`	`JeffM2501`	`sure they will`
`19:16.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I jsut don't think the designers will ever make an optimal gaming system out of them`
`19:16.42`	`TimRiker`	`I can agree to that.`
`19:16.43`	`JeffM2501`	`the most popular PDA game = strip poker.`
`19:16.50`	`Grumbler`	`well, you are not going to play halo on them`
`19:17.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd play strip halo :)`
`19:17.28`	`bryjen`	`there's the pr0n angle there`
`19:17.37`	`JeffM2501`	`it sels`
`19:17.48`	`JeffM2501`	`skin drives a lot of technology`
`19:18.04`	`JeffM2501`	`probalby the main reason DSL was made`
`19:18.20`	`Grumbler`	`now with bluetooth, you could possible have a roving bzflag game.......burn the heck out of the batteries.......`
`19:18.22`	`orchid`	`http://bzgirl.bzflag.org/pub/pic/pr0n.jpg`
`19:18.35`	`bryjen`	`that, and nobody bought isdn`
`19:18.38`	`JeffM2501`	`now what would be cool would be a DS version of bz`
`19:18.38`	`Grumbler`	`not sure i want to follow that link`
`19:18.43`	`JeffM2501`	`with that bluetooth`
`19:19.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it could even have a mouselike thing using the bottom screen for radar, and input`
`19:19.49`	`Grumbler`	`oh what the heck....`
`19:20.11`	`Grumbler`	`what is that shrimp riding`
`19:27.37`	`cristi`	`1.10.8 have the variable ?'shotsKeepVerticalVelocity'`
`19:27.39`	`cristi`	`?`
`19:27.50`	`cristi`	`1.10.8 have the variable 'shotsKeepVerticalVelocity'?`
`19:28.47`	`blast007`	`if you type /set in the game, it will show a list of variables`
`19:28.48`	`crko`	`is it possible to make a varible active only when a certain flag is picked up?`
`19:28.52`	`cristi`	`i have 2.0.0`
`19:29.50`	`blast007`	`crko: like to add a special feature to a certain flag type?`
`19:29.57`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, thanks for defending the "because it does" reasoning behind the ring's placement :)`
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`19:30.18`	`crko`	`blast007, wings :P`
`19:30.21`	`crko`	`for example`
`19:30.44`	`crko`	`so they can drop bullets like bombs ^^`
`19:30.57`	`blast007`	`ah, no, can't do that`
`19:30.58`	`cristi`	`^^`
`19:31.01`	`crko`	`but i guess that isn't possible :P`
`19:31.15`	`crko`	`would be nice though :P`
`19:31.19`	`crko`	`bombing airplanes`
`19:31.40`	`cristi`	`lol`
`19:31.47`	`JeffM2501`	`crko, you can do what ever you want if you code it`
`19:31.52`	`crko`	`gonna laugh in 4 years: bzflag, the most successful open-source flight simulator :P`
`19:31.54`	`JeffM2501`	`just stuff like that makes the game not bzflag.`
`19:32.16`	`crko`	`JeffM2501, i know`
`19:32.27`	`JeffM2501`	`open combat will have that tho :)`
`19:32.28`	`blast007`	`there was once an idea to change the flag abilities into effects, and then give each flag the certain effects (which would allow custom flags)`
`19:32.36`	`crko`	`JeffM2501, how is oc going on?`
`19:32.44`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah flags should be changed to apply attributes`
`19:32.49`	`JeffM2501`	`then you can make custom flags do whatever`
`19:32.51`	`JeffM2501`	`same for shots`
`19:32.57`	`JeffM2501`	`would make it much more cusomisable`
`19:33.04`	`crko`	`yes..`
`19:33.06`	`JeffM2501`	`but it's a big old internal change`
`19:33.32`	`JeffM2501`	`OC is going slow`
`19:33.32`	`crko`	`argh...`
`19:33.32`	`JeffM2501`	`coding time is at a minimum for me now :(`
`19:33.32`	`JeffM2501`	`real world work and the like`
`19:33.38`	`crko`	`belive you :P`
`19:33.46`	`crko`	`i should learn some c++`
`19:33.53`	`crko`	`it's about time...`
`19:34.10`	`crko`	`soon i'll be in high school and then it'll be too late :P`
`19:34.14`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm trying to get all the parts together for just a little network based test app, that lets people drive and shoot using the framework`
`19:34.18`	`JeffM2501`	`that may help generate interest`
`19:34.57`	`crko`	`yes when people get something material to do something with it's interesting all of a sudden ;)`
`19:35.03`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`19:36.27`	`crko`	`well i was making a new map/style and there are some necessary things that are not yet implemented :/`
`19:36.32`	`crko`	`one at most...`
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`19:48.22`	`Nidhoggr`	`apparently someone has a permanent wings cheat that allows you to "fly" and have other flags at the same time.`
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`19:57.08`	`orange`	`I just banned someone from hepcat overlord for that very thing`
`19:58.10`	`gina`	`orange liked the rose map?`
`19:58.49`	`orange`	`rose?`
`19:58.54`	`orange`	`which one was that?`
`19:58.57`	`bryjen`	`multiple-jumps and driving-in-air were old cheats that sort of inspired the wings flag`
`19:58.58`	`gina`	`rose.homelinux.net`
`19:58.59`	`gina`	`the city`
`19:59.12`	`orange`	`ah yeah, it was cool`
`19:59.14`	`gina`	`~rose`
`19:59.17`	`gina`	`thanks :)`
`19:59.22`	`gina`	`ahh`
`19:59.30`	`gina`	`should be reprogrammed`
`19:59.47`	`orange`	`people are having their client crash at hepcat overlord with this message "WARNING: player already exists at location with id 35" then segfault`
`20:00.01`	`Tupone`	`I know, I'm fixing it`
`20:00.02`	`orange`	`I'm on as observer and I see that message, but I don't crash`
`20:00.06`	`orange`	`tupone, ok, cool`
`20:00.08`	`orange`	`thanks`
`20:00.14`	`crko`	`hm if i export from blender and then convert to bzw will the positions remain the same?`
`20:00.19`	`crko`	`and sizes'`
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`20:04.12`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi kitty`
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`20:14.46`	`bznoggin`	`Anyone else getting crashes on hepcat?`
`20:14.46`	`Grumbler`	`just *& software....crashes right in the middle of edits.....`
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`20:16.10`	`Tupone`	`bznoggin: I'm fixing it right now`
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`20:17.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi TimRiker`
`20:17.21`	`Grumbler`	`bznoggin, orange was just here describing the problem, tupone is looking into it`
`20:18.30`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm.`
`20:18.40`	`blast007`	`hmm...in regards to the "Wings" cheater...adding the Wings flag actually made it easy to use the old "flying" cheat...`
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`20:19.15`	`_Manu_`	`i banned the first cheater i saw in 2.0 because using fly :) just 5 mins ago`
`20:19.54`	`blast007`	`doesn't take people long to get bored and write a cheat client...`
`20:20.15`	`orange`	`may I suggest a patch for 2.0.2 in bzflag/clientCommands.cxx`
`20:20.33`	`JBdiGriz`	`orange: no`
`20:20.33`	`orange`	`line 722 or so: if ((j == -1) \|\| (player[j] && player[j]->isAlive())) {`
`20:20.42`	`orange`	`change to: if ((j == -1) \|\| (player[j] )) {`
`20:20.56`	`orange`	`and at line 745 or so: if ((j == -1) \|\| (player[j] && player[j]->isAlive())) {`
`20:21.01`	`orange`	`change to: if ((j == -1) \|\| (player[j] )) {`
`20:21.40`	`orange`	`if you don't patch it I will when I build, so no biggie, but this makes f6 and f7 in observer mode significantly more predictable in behavior`
`20:21.40`	`orange`	`JBdiGriz: :-P`
`20:21.40`	`JBdiGriz`	`:)`
`20:22.20`	`orange`	`of course I pick now to bring up my idea for a patch, when half the channel is gone`
`20:22.37`	`blast007`	`eek..netsplit :(`
`20:22.38`	`_Manu_`	`heh`
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`20:25.52`	`Legoguy`	`we have a 2.0 cheater`
`20:25.52`	`Legoguy`	`named aneox`
`20:25.54`	`Silver1`	`Tupone, I hear you're working on resolving a bug found on hepcat's overlord server?`
`20:25.59`	`cristi`	`k`
`20:26.04`	`cristi`	`from __future__ import division`
`20:26.04`	`cristi`	`import time`
`20:26.04`	`cristi`	`import string`
`20:26.04`	`cristi`	`import types`
`20:26.04`	`cristi`	`from base import *`
`20:26.05`	`cristi`	`from spread import *`
`20:26.06`	`Legoguy`	`just left sbgodin's server`
`20:26.07`	`orange`	`legoguy what server?`
`20:26.07`	`cristi`	`from math import *`
`20:26.09`	`cristi`	`from complex import *`
`20:26.11`	`cristi`	`def build() :`
`20:26.11`	`Silver1`	`Legoguy, how do you mean?`
`20:26.13`	`cristi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.14`	`orange`	`Legoguy: I just banned him from hepcat overlord twice`
`20:26.15`	`cristi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.17`	`cristi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.19`	`cristi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.20`	`Legoguy`	`multiple jump w/o wing flag`
`20:26.20`	`TimRiker`	`cristi: stop.`
`20:26.21`	`cristi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.23`	`*** kick/#bzflag [cristi!~JBdiGriz@adsl-63-204-116-8.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] by JBdiGriz (JBdiGriz)`
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`20:26.26`	`Birdie`	`cristi..`
`20:26.27`	`Silver1`	`what cheat?`
`20:26.28`	`Tupone`	`Silver1: testing it`
`20:26.29`	`cristi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.30`	`Legoguy`	`multiple jump w/o wing flag`
`20:26.31`	`cristi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.35`	`cristi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.37`	`cristi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.38`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+b !cristi@82.137.26.35] by TimRiker`
`20:26.38`	`*** kick/#bzflag [cristi!~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc] by TimRiker (TimRiker)`
`20:26.39`	`Birdie`	`kick him..`
`20:26.40`	`Legoguy`	`kick him sheesh`
`20:26.41`	`Silver1`	`Tupone, do you need any logs or any info?`
`20:26.48`	`Tupone`	`nope`
`20:26.48`	`orange`	`correct, wings behavior without wings flag`
`20:27.11`	`orange`	`so that I don't get kicked for excessive pasting, here's my proposed patch: http://pastebin.ca/5545`
`20:27.11`	`JBdiGriz`	`He got a kick. Tim, thanks for the ban.`
`20:27.15`	`Legoguy`	`yea, i talked to him, asked him what's the point of cheating.. "what's the point of playing"... kids`
`20:27.17`	`Silver1`	`nice.`
`20:27.57`	`Legoguy`	`orange: get the IP? because i wish to ban him on my servers as well`
`20:28.04`	`orange`	`Legoguy: yep`
`20:28.07`	`Grumbler`	`i see JBdiGriz believes in the Roosevelt approach`
`20:28.19`	`JBdiGriz`	`Teddy, not Franklin`
`20:28.27`	`orange`	`but... what's the etiquette on that... OK to post cheater's IP's here?`
`20:28.40`	`Silver1`	`orange, that looks like a client patch? How would it stop the nowings cheat?`
`20:28.42`	`Legoguy`	`i'd say add him to the master ban list :P`
`20:28.47`	`orange`	`Silver1: unrelated`
`20:28.51`	`Legoguy`	`but that;s only for severe cases iirc.`
`20:28.57`	`JBdiGriz`	`I would suggest working with the admin group on bb.`
`20:29.16`	`Silver1`	`orange, ah.`
`20:29.31`	`Grumbler`	`~seen SportChick`
`20:29.33`	`ibot`	`sportchick is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 238 messages. Is idling for 5h 1m 26s`
`20:29.47`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-b !cristi@82.137.26.35] by TimRiker`
`20:29.50`	`Silver1`	`~seen cosmos`
`20:29.51`	`ibot`	`cosmos <~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 36d 15h 20m 10s ago, saying: 'ive actually had multiple servers at 30 before'.`
`20:29.58`	`Silver1`	`wow.`
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`20:30.47`	`jpa_`	`~cristi--`
`20:31.11`	`blast007`	`~cristi--`
`20:31.25`	`cristi`	`what means ~cristi-- ??`
`20:31.35`	`TimRiker`	`~karma cristi`
`20:31.35`	`ibot`	`cristi has karma of -3`
`20:31.40`	`orange`	`I've seen that one explained to cristi before`
`20:31.41`	`JBdiGriz`	`You're losing karma`
`20:32.06`	`Birdie`	`whats the worst karma you can get?`
`20:32.18`	`JBdiGriz`	`A lifetime ban from the channel`
`20:32.22`	`Birdie`	`~karma Birdie`
`20:32.22`	`ibot`	`birdie has neutral karma`
`20:32.31`	`jpa_`	`~karma TimRiker`
`20:32.31`	`ibot`	`timriker has karma of -659`
`20:32.39`	`cristi`	`lol`
`20:32.39`	`jpa_`	`~timriker++`
`20:32.41`	`_Manu_`	`wow`
`20:32.44`	`blast007`	`heh`
`20:32.50`	`cristi`	`~TimRiker++`
`20:32.56`	`TimRiker`	`alright...`
`20:33.06`	`orchid`	`I thought shortyKarma was the lowest one could go?`
`20:33.14`	`orchid`	`a standard of sorts`
`20:33.19`	`JBdiGriz`	`I would suggest doing it in a private chat with ibot, otherwise you invite another kick`
`20:37.02`	`cristi`	`~karma TimRiker`
`20:37.02`	`ibot`	`timriker has karma of -657`
`20:38.28`	`orange`	`Tupone: is "Server error when adding player, player already added" related? That one shows up in bzconsole, not in terminal window`
`20:38.39`	`teatree`	`hola bz freaks`
`20:38.45`	`Tupone`	`related to the crashes`
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`20:41.22`	`cristi`	`Tupone: you have a server?`
`20:41.30`	`Tupone`	`nope`
`20:41.42`	`cristi`	`k`
`20:41.44`	`Nidhoggr`	`crashing server is a disturbing thing.`
`20:42.02`	`DTRemenak`	`Nidhoggr, you getting crashes still?`
`20:42.11`	`cristi`	`Nidhoggr, youre online on bzflag.secretplace.us ?`
`20:42.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`just one so far.`
`20:42.35`	`Nidhoggr`	`cristi: that's my server.`
`20:42.46`	`cristi`	`Nidhoggr: I know`
`20:42.54`	`orange`	`geez, aenox back again`
`20:42.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`then why did you ask?`
`20:42.57`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`20:43.12`	`Nidhoggr`	`aenox is the one with the wings/another flag cheat.`
`20:43.21`	`Nidhoggr`	`speaking of....`
`20:43.22`	`orange`	`yes... three times on overlord hepcat`
`20:43.26`	`Nidhoggr`	`I need a feature.`
`20:43.40`	`DTRemenak`	`orange: different ips?`
`20:43.44`	`Nidhoggr`	`I need to be able to allow WG behavior without a flag for a WG CTF server. :)`
`20:44.00`	`orange`	`Nidhoggr: all 81.13?..`
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`20:44.10`	`bryjen`	`"doesn't take people long to get bored and write a cheat client..." people with short attention spans won't invest the time to get good at playing`
`20:44.32`	`Thumper_`	`aenox got banned by me from tuxee's rabbit server`
`20:44.34`	`Nidhoggr`	`let me look.`
`20:44.50`	`Nidhoggr`	`yes`
`20:44.59`	`Thumper_`	`I have his ip if you need it`
`20:45.02`	`orange`	`the whole block is 81.128.0.0/11 -- pretty big`
`20:45.04`	`SilverFox`	`Is the karma thing still going to get implemented?`
`20:45.06`	`orange`	`Thumper_: he's hopping, a lot`
`20:45.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`he changes IPs`
`20:45.13`	`Nidhoggr`	`do a hostban. :-P`
`20:45.28`	`Thumper_`	`ban the isp...`
`20:45.35`	`cristi`	`lol`
`20:45.42`	`orange`	`Thumper_: it's a /11 -- I think that'd take out a lot of folks :-/`
`20:45.44`	`Thumper_`	`he was on 81.136.231.32 for me`
`20:45.44`	`Nidhoggr`	`*.btopenworld.com`
`20:45.53`	`cristi`	`Thumper_: come back ?`
`20:46.09`	`Thumper_`	`cristi: just a sec`
`20:46.33`	`SilverFox`	`public internet service in uk.`
`20:46.40`	`SilverFox`	`Prolly not his "usual" connection.`
`20:47.54`	`amathis`	`Nidhoggr: hola.`
`20:48.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi amathis`
`20:48.01`	`Nidhoggr`	`how are ya?`
`20:48.14`	`amathis`	`fine`
`20:48.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`good :)`
`20:48.21`	`bryjen`	`BT is the major telco in the UK`
`20:49.13`	`bryjen`	`openworld is the brand name for their internet service`
`20:50.00`	`gina`	`what would be the effect of banning 127.0.0.1?`
`20:50.37`	`bryjen`	`you couldn't connect from the same machine`
`20:51.14`	`gina`	`logical`
`20:52.30`	`Nidhoggr`	`did someone silence creeperz?`
`20:53.02`	`bryjen`	`brlcad did`
`20:53.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`aaah.`
`20:53.15`	`Nidhoggr`	`what did creeperz do to deserve such a thing? :)`
`20:53.25`	`bryjen`	`he (creeperz) need to change his quit message`
`20:53.32`	`Nidhoggr`	`ah`
`20:53.35`	`Nidhoggr`	`was it rude?`
`20:53.55`	`Nidhoggr`	`he says he changed it.`
`20:54.03`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/WorldBuilder.cxx: Fixing crash preceded by "Error adding player"`
`20:54.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`wow... tupone is quick!`
`20:54.22`	`Nidhoggr`	`~tupone++`
`20:54.42`	`Tupone`	`yeah, I know it happens, so I went with a debugger and played :)`
`20:55.19`	`TimRiker`	`daylight? what's that?`
`20:55.46`	`Tupone`	`well, is night here :)`
`20:56.26`	`Nidhoggr`	`ok... creeperz changed his sign-off message again.`
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`20:58.03`	`orange`	`when will it show in anon cvs? Tomorrow?`
`20:58.04`	`bryjen`	`wheee`
`20:58.04`	`orange`	`oh... it's a client fix, not server`
`20:58.04`	`Nidhoggr`	`client fix?`
`20:58.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`so clients crash the server?`
`20:58.19`	`Tupone`	`server crashed client`
`20:58.19`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't crash when trying to autoghost, ws`
`20:58.33`	`DTRemenak`	`if you've been having server crashes then you want this one`
`20:58.33`	`Nidhoggr`	`ah`
`20:58.33`	`orange`	`well, the fix he posted was in src/bzflag`
`20:58.49`	`bryjen`	`orange: anon is normally a few (5-10) hours behind`
`20:58.49`	`orange`	`bryjen: thanks`
`20:59.18`	`Nidhoggr`	`sometimes I feel about as technical as a rock. :)`
`21:00.02`	`DTRemenak`	`Nidhoggr: I'm betting that that last commit fixes your server crash. Tell me if you get more :)`
`21:00.50`	`Nidhoggr`	`thanks DTRemenak`
`21:01.01`	`Nidhoggr`	`~DTRemenak++`
`21:01.28`	`Nidhoggr`	`can be frustrating.`
`21:02.14`	`DTRemenak`	`yup. that's one reason I run my servers all the time, to make sure I get crashes the same as anyone else...then I have a corefile to dissect :)`
`21:03.18`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
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`21:04.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`how hard would it be to make a server feature to make jumping act like wings for a CTF aereal map?`
`21:05.05`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, brad's server crashed 40 hours ago and I only noticed because you mentioned that yours had :) surprised he hadn't bugged me about it`
`21:05.14`	`Nidhoggr`	`ah`
`21:05.19`	`alinux`	`oops`
`21:05.20`	`DTRemenak`	`Nidhoggr: it would require a client change too`
`21:05.29`	`orange`	`it's surprising to me how few people are registered with the global system`
`21:06.11`	`Legoguy`	`was the all-client-crash "there is already a player at position X" (can't quite remember the text) bug fixed? haven't been paying attention recently to CIA :P`
`21:06.13`	`Nidhoggr`	`I think it will take some time.`
`21:06.14`	`bryjen`	`Nidhoggr: climbable structures and teleporters`
`21:06.23`	`DTRemenak`	`Legoguy: I think Tupone just fixed that`
`21:06.30`	`orange`	`outside of preventing people from playing on the server, what else is anyone doing to encourage registration?`
`21:06.34`	`Nidhoggr`	`bryjen: yeah... that's what I'm going to need to do.`
`21:06.50`	`Legoguy`	`ah so that was the same bug then?`
`21:07.01`	`Legoguy`	`heh`
`21:07.15`	`orange`	`~tupone++`
`21:07.19`	`orange`	`~dtremenak++`
`21:07.21`	`alinux`	`~bzfquery 217.156.123.150:5154`
`21:07.22`	`orange`	`two important fixes today :-)`
`21:07.23`	`Nidhoggr`	`orange: if i do a city-wide ban, we tell people who write in to register so we can whitelist their callsign. :)`
`21:07.32`	`bryjen`	`climbing and jumping across "stepping stones" is an art`
`21:07.50`	`orange`	`Nidhoggr: well, that's something :-)`
`21:08.05`	`orange`	`I mean, you can't say to people "hey, register and you get this cool + next to your name"`
`21:08.10`	`DTRemenak`	`orange: anytime we need a poll ban or kick I tell people to register globally`
`21:08.32`	`orange`	`OK, so to vote, that's good`
`21:09.37`	`orange`	`I'm just trying to think of some other incentive short of preventing play`
`21:10.15`	`trepan`	`give 'em an extra shot =)`
`21:10.42`	`orange`	`trepan: I was thinking of something like that :-)`
`21:10.58`	`orange`	`or some flag won't work unless you are globally registered, like wings`
`21:11.33`	`DTRemenak`	`hahaha`
`21:12.19`	`DTRemenak`	`prohibit them from chatting if they aren't globally registered :)`
`21:12.55`	`Legoguy`	`give them... a superflag on spawn, say once every 5 minutes if they're registered :P`
`21:13.00`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`21:13.01`	`orange`	`I guess anti-spoof is another good reason... nobody can use their callsign and get the '+' if they register`
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`21:14.24`	`blast007`	`might also be nice to code in some password complexity rules...I can bet many people will make their password their username ;)`
`21:15.23`	`orange`	`hmmm, rather than saying 'you cannot play without registering' it would be cool to say 'you can only play 10 minutes without registering'`
`21:16.30`	`Tupone`	`I fixed it also server side, so no need to update client`
`21:16.36`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Fix client crash server side, in order to avoid thousand dl.`
`21:16.59`	`orange`	`~tupone++`
`21:17.01`	`orange`	`even better`
`21:17.53`	`Tupone`	`orange, if you wanna fix before the anon delay I can pm you the one line patch`
`21:18.23`	`orange`	`Tupone: thanks... I doubt we'd restart the server before tonight anyway`
`21:18.44`	`Tupone`	`thanks yes or thanks no?`
`21:18.49`	`orange`	`might as well get everything (including DTRemenak's fix) at the same time... thanks no :-)`
`21:18.54`	`Tupone`	`ok`
`21:21.10`	`bznoggin`	`What about an email authed password? Not sure how effective this is since it's so easy to make a new hotmail/whatever account...`
`21:21.14`	`amathis`	`JeffM2501: ping`
`21:24.33`	`JeffM2501`	`amathis, pong`
`21:31.42`	`Nidhoggr`	`poing poing poing`
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`21:51.04`	`Blue_Eyes`	`hi all`
`21:51.21`	`bz0437`	`hey`
`21:51.37`	`bz0437`	`i thought everyone is this room was dead . . .`
`21:52.41`	`JeffM2501`	`the dead need no packets`
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`21:59.51`	`bz0437`	`i can't get my stupid server on the public list`
`22:00.06`	`occy`	`bz0437: that's cause you need a smart server.`
`22:00.06`	`bz0437`	`its really bugging me`
`22:00.27`	`bz0437`	`i see`
`22:00.57`	`bz9759`	`~bzfquery jaffa.serveftp.net:5154`
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`22:02.49`	`JeffM2501`	`are you using -public ?`
`22:03.04`	`bz0437`	`yep`
`22:03.09`	`bz0437`	`and publicaddr`
`22:03.12`	`bz0437`	`and -p`
`22:03.22`	`JeffM2501`	`are you behind a proxy or other type of firewall our router?`
`22:03.35`	`Nidhoggr`	`is it possible that the machine it's on has more than than 1 IP number?`
`22:03.42`	`bz0437`	`i might be behind a proxy`
`22:03.42`	`JeffM2501`	`that is another thing`
`22:03.48`	`bryjen`	`don't use a different port and -p unless you're going to run more than one server`
`22:03.55`	`bz0437`	`def only one Dynamic IP`
`22:04.02`	`JeffM2501`	`if it's behind a proxy, if the proxy is just for http, make your list server use port 81`
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`22:04.12`	`JeffM2501`	`if it's behind a proxy for all things, you need to get a hole in the proxy set up`
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`22:04.16`	`Nidhoggr`	`is it NAT?`
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`22:04.26`	`JeffM2501`	`your problem is not the list server, but that noone outside can get to you.`
`22:04.39`	`bz0437`	`i can get people to connect to it`
`22:04.45`	`bz0437`	`i played a friend before`
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`22:07.59`	`bryjen`	`~bzfquery 213.42.2.23`
`22:09.22`	`JeffM2501`	`well the bot can't get to it`
`22:09.30`	`TimRiker`	`bz0437: make sure that a bzfquery from ibot can get there first. if that can't than no amount of command line options will help you.`
`22:09.49`	`trepan`	`http://members.rogers.com/trepan/mregg.jpg`
`22:09.58`	`trepan`	`guess specular isn't entirely worthless`
`22:10.07`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:10.27`	`JeffM2501`	`shiny egg :)`
`22:10.39`	`trepan`	`(0 - 128) => (1.0 - 0.0)`
`22:10.54`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it should be all 0 -> 1`
`22:11.00`	`JeffM2501`	`you should hook up emision :)`
`22:11.09`	`trepan`	`emission already works`
`22:11.17`	`trepan`	`i've had maps using it for months`
`22:11.17`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh cool`
`22:11.28`	`trepan`	`OBJ format does not support it, remember? :)`
`22:12.49`	`JeffM2501`	`that's right`
`22:12.54`	`JeffM2501`	`too much sugar today`
`22:13.58`	`DTRemenak`	`mm, sugar`
`22:15.03`	`bz9759`	`~bzfquery jaffa.serveftp.net`
`22:15.35`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, thank you for defending my physics :)`
`22:15.43`	`bz9759`	`~bzfquery jaffa.serveftp.net`
`22:15.47`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: I defend what's right :)`
`22:15.52`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`22:16.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean we are talking about a thing that can bend space and probably time, and he want to talk mass and orbits? :)`
`22:17.49`	`DTRemenak`	`heh...aside from which, his point was bogus. the mass of an object does not affect the stability of its orbit`
`22:17.56`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`22:17.57`	`trepan`	`a trip to ye old leaning tower might be in order`
`22:18.19`	`JeffM2501`	`satalites say in geosync at a distance and speed, that does not vary due to mass`
`22:18.26`	`JeffM2501`	`should probably figure out the mass of the thing tho`
`22:18.31`	`JeffM2501`	`even tho noone has ever moved one.`
`22:18.34`	`DTRemenak`	`unless it's massive enough to make the object it's orbiting orbit around it instead, in which case we've got some serious issues anyway :)`
`22:18.59`	`JeffM2501`	`gravity fields around them don't allways follow the normal rules`
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`22:19.48`	`DTRemenak`	`heh. to me that sounds like a cop-out, but it's fiction, so I guess you can do that :)`
`22:21.24`	`JeffM2501`	`well it allows me to get around the stuff of, what happens if 2 things go in the same side at the same time on difernet gates that are connected.`
`22:21.58`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, I thought of that too. I figured it'd just be like the transporter accidents on trek :)`
`22:22.26`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: just make 'em crash`
`22:22.42`	`DTRemenak`	`could make for interesting warfare, trying to send stuff into the same gate at the same time to screw the other guy's ship :)`
`22:22.55`	`DTRemenak`	`like telefragging in quake :)`
`22:23.01`	`JeffM2501`	`well that's why I gave them a in and and out side`
`22:23.21`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, but what happens when two ins dial up the same out?`
`22:23.30`	`JeffM2501`	`one gets thru`
`22:23.32`	`JeffM2501`	`one doesn't`
`22:23.39`	`JeffM2501`	`the one that dosn't gets a blue flash`
`22:23.39`	`DTRemenak`	`aww, safety?`
`22:23.41`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`22:23.51`	`JeffM2501`	`stargate style`
`22:23.58`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, I thought that was just for trying to activate an already active in`
`22:24.19`	`JeffM2501`	`one will get active priority, and the other will follow the allready active rules`
`22:24.22`	`DTRemenak`	`be more fun to be able to crash the other guy's gate though :)`
`22:24.37`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't want to screw with stuff that bends space`
`22:24.40`	`JeffM2501`	`it can get bad`
`22:24.49`	`DTRemenak`	`telefragged! :)`
`22:24.51`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm thinking of doing something where the CTR tries to mess with a gate`
`22:24.57`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, cool`
`22:25.02`	`JeffM2501`	`and it shuts down entire sections of the network`
`22:25.09`	`JeffM2501`	`and like moves star orbits and stuff`
`22:25.25`	`JeffM2501`	`mess with the gates may = screw up spacetime`
`22:25.41`	`JeffM2501`	`some feel it's part of the "test" the gates are applying to humanity`
`22:25.59`	`bz0437`	`k thank you`
`22:26.33`	`JeffM2501`	`no ultra advanced race would make a gate that could be made to be distructive`
`22:26.51`	`JeffM2501`	`if humans ever make a gate, then yeah I'd say they'd have ALL kinds of problems with stuff like that :)`
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`22:37.08`	`Silver1`	`JeffM2501, that kind of depends on what "ultra advanced" means, huh?`
`22:37.19`	`Silver1`	`If they are ultra advanced war mongers then....`
`22:37.41`	`SportyGal`	`http://screenclean.j1media.com/lick.html`
`22:38.11`	`JeffM2501`	`not this is like benifical godlike "parental" race kinda thing`
`22:38.18`	`JeffM2501`	`watching over the "younger ones"`
`22:40.21`	`DTRemenak`	`wonder what they put on the glass to make it do that :)`
`22:43.12`	`Silver1`	`nurturing them so they can grow up to destroy themselves properly.`
`22:44.40`	`JeffM2501`	`well the point of it is to be a test, see how they handle space`
`22:44.46`	`JeffM2501`	`keep them in a limited area`
`22:44.47`	`Legoguy`	`is this "unable to go through teleporter without jumping" a bug or something i can fix in the map?`
`22:44.59`	`JeffM2501`	`kinda like that contact movie with jodie foster.`
`22:46.09`	`JeffM2501`	`baby steps`
`22:46.26`	`JeffM2501`	`if we ever get "uppity" then they can just blow the rings, and we are all done for.`
`22:47.02`	`Nidhoggr`	`SportyGal: someone sent that to me this morning. made me laugh.`
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`22:50.34`	`Legoguy`	`a "link" in teleporters is two way right? one link for both directions? or do I need to specify it twice with the from/to reversed?`
`22:51.55`	`JeffM2501`	`man is redsoxfan90 ever so full of crap, it allmost makes me fall down laughing`
`22:52.34`	`Legoguy`	`yeah, that's what i thought too when i caught him tking with another client on the same ip while he was "eating dinner"`
`22:54.30`	`Grumbler`	`Legoguy, one link for one side, one link for the other`
`22:54.37`	`SportyGal`	`Nidhoggr: yeah - a bunch of people were gathered around my computer when I came back into the room - they were all looking at it`
`23:00.12`	`Legoguy`	`but i can do it by numbers too right, in order of which they were specified in the map?`
`23:00.25`	`Legoguy`	`like, link from 0 to 1 end`
`23:00.34`	`Legoguy`	`(line breaks where appropriate)`
`23:01.28`	`Legoguy`	`because it keeps complaining of broken links :\|`
`23:01.36`	`Legoguy`	`maybe it's because it's in a group`
`23:01.46`	`Legoguy`	`the teleporter that is`
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`23:02.51`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: ws`
`23:06.03`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/StdBothUI.cxx: need sys/types.h to use fd_* on bsd`
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`23:14.33`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-q creeperz!@] by brlcad`
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`23:16.58`	`Aribeth`	`the naitive's have been restless again`
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`23:25.19`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/man/bzw.5s: update the linkage info`
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`23:27.25`	`brlcad`	`creeperz: you're unquelled, thx ;)`
`23:27.40`	`creeperz`	`k`
`23:27.47`	`creeperz`	`awesomeness`
`23:37.02`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (4 files): kill the ugly extern`
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`23:43.50`	`Daddo`	`~whaleslap ibot`
`23:43.53`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps ibot upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`23:44.31`	`brlcad`	`~seen valoche`
`23:44.33`	`ibot`	`brlcad: i haven't seen 'valoche'`
`23:45.02`	`brlcad`	`Legoguy: ping`
`23:45.17`	`brlcad`	`Legoguy: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=29073#29073`

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