| 00:00.39 | bryjen | where's that error coming from with all the <tags> in it? |
| 00:00.59 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | DOS command prompt |
| 00:01.05 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | im running with -d -d -d -d |
| 00:02.24 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery camelot-main.servegame.com:5154 |
| 00:02.35 | bryjen | hmm, i guess that may be the list server trying to connect back to you |
| 00:02.55 | TimRiker | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: I suspect the list server can't connect back to you so it's refusing to add you to the list. |
| 00:03.05 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | then I recieve this: Got line: "failed to connect" |
| 00:03.08 | bryjen | eh, doesn't look like you're running. or did you use a different port (the -p option ) ? |
| 00:03.16 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | -p 5154 |
| 00:03.22 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | sholud i remove that? |
| 00:03.31 | TimRiker | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: which means it "failed to connect" back to your server. |
| 00:03.43 | bryjen | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: its not necessary, but it's Ok |
| 00:03.56 | TimRiker | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: firewall? |
| 00:04.04 | TimRiker | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: is the server up now? |
| 00:04.07 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | I thought i opend all the ports in the LAN control |
| 00:04.17 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | nope it stops there |
| 00:04.26 | TimRiker | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: use ibot to test. |
| 00:04.29 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery camelot-main.servegame.com:5154 |
| 00:04.38 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6668 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Teleporter.py Types.py): start adding a teleporter object. right now this just renders the teleporter field, but that's probably good enough for now |
| 00:04.39 | bryjen | sgk284: /ghost as is can't work with central auth, as one of its goals is to keep the password from every going thru the server |
| 00:04.51 | bryjen | s/every/ever/ |
| 00:05.29 | *** join/#bzflag amathis_ (~amathis@cpe-024-165-183-150.midsouth.rr.com) |
| 00:05.57 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6669 10bzedit/ (11 files in 2 dirs): make a 'tests' directory and put all the bzw files in there |
| 00:06.18 | TimRiker | sgk284: I've not looked at the flow, but the only way I could think of doing it was to auto-ghost. |
| 00:06.27 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | ~bzfquery camelot-main.servegame.com:5154 |
| 00:06.32 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6670 10bzedit/tests/ (decks decks.bzw dinner4six.bzw): add d46 and rename decks |
| 00:07.02 | TimRiker | ie: take the "Nick" collision, and remember it until we verify the token, if verified, then ghost the old user and connect the new one. |
| 00:07.28 | sussudio | TimRiker: listserver down again? |
| 00:07.33 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 00:07.39 | TimRiker | sussudio: nope. |
| 00:07.41 | sussudio | TimRiker: it's not resolving |
| 00:07.53 | TimRiker | sussudio: what's not resolving? |
| 00:08.15 | sussudio | ~nslookup list.bzflag.bz |
| 00:08.27 | *** join/#bzflag kierra (~45f06abf@rw08.de) |
| 00:08.39 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | does a port other than 5154 need to be opend to allow the list server to connect? |
| 00:08.52 | TimRiker | sussudio: note that list.bzflag.bz is not in anything but the 1.10.8 release. I have no control over DNS for that. |
| 00:09.07 | sussudio | eh? |
| 00:09.09 | TimRiker | the current recommended name url is http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 00:09.30 | TimRiker | ~nslookup my.bzflag.org |
| 00:09.36 | TimRiker | ~nslookup db.bzflag.org |
| 00:10.25 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user) |
| 00:10.32 | TimRiker | either of those will work. db was the old name, my is the new one. list.bzflag.bz was the temp solution for 1.10.8 but we never shipped a 1.10.10 to remove it. =/ |
| 00:10.36 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 00:10.37 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/testrender.png |
| 00:11.21 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.33 | brlcad | ~nslookup list.bzflag.bz |
| 00:15.12 | brlcad | it's not down or changed |
| 00:15.19 | brlcad | it's just a cname to bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 00:16.53 | *** join/#bzflag a_monkey (~thechimp@user-0can32u.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 00:17.15 | brlcad | i could make it an A entry to avoid having to nslookup secretplace |
| 00:17.21 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | 69.28.129.167 |
| 00:17.36 | brlcad | but that was what Nidhoggr requested, iirc |
| 00:17.48 | brlcad | sussudio: still having trouble? |
| 00:18.01 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | ~bzfquery camelot-main.servegame.com:5154 |
| 00:18.01 | sussudio | brlcad: it's on and off |
| 00:19.03 | brlcad | sussudio: converted to A entry -- try it again |
| 00:19.22 | brlcad | might take a while to propagate.. |
| 00:19.27 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | ~bzfquery camelot-main.servegame.com:5154 |
| 00:23.03 | sussudio | brlcad: i changed it to http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 00:23.45 | brlcad | k |
| 00:31.57 | shorty114 | purple_cow: how did you render that? |
| 00:32.04 | purple_cow | shorty114: i clicked the render button |
| 00:32.10 | shorty114 | in what? |
| 00:32.15 | purple_cow | blender |
| 00:32.18 | shorty114 | oh |
| 00:32.23 | Pizbit | purple_cow: Heh, so simple?:D |
| 00:32.47 | purple_cow | i suppose i also moved the camera a bit and added a lamp, but that's about it |
| 00:32.54 | Pizbit | purple_cow: Throw in some crumbs?:) |
| 00:33.14 | Pizbit | And a dog(or cat) bowl :D |
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| 00:44.14 | *** join/#bzflag Silver2 (SilverFox@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com) |
| 01:19.25 | *** part/#bzflag retro (~ken@gateway-1237.mvista.com) |
| 01:30.35 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-003-114.arcor-ip.net) |
| 01:32.02 | shorty114 | wb, wizart |
| 01:39.17 | SportChick | junker: ping |
| 01:39.36 | SportChick | sgk284: ping |
| 01:41.28 | shorty114 | junker isn't here? |
| 01:44.54 | theEnemy | Just wondering about something I posted on the forums, but didn't get a response.... what does "Global login rejected, bad token. " mean? |
| 01:45.09 | theEnemy | As opposed to "ERROR: did not get token" which is for bad username/password |
| 01:54.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: wernings |
| 01:59.51 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 01:59.52 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 02:03.39 | creeperz | JeffM2501: story? |
| 02:03.45 | creeperz | like a story line? |
| 02:03.59 | JeffM2501 | like a story timeline |
| 02:04.50 | creeperz | ah |
| 02:10.37 | creeperz | JeffM2501: how's it go? |
| 02:11.00 | JeffM2501 | it's long |
| 02:11.16 | creeperz | oh |
| 02:11.57 | JeffM2501 | proofreading now |
| 02:22.18 | creeperz | is it going to be an official storyline to go with the game? |
| 02:23.26 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 02:23.35 | JeffM2501 | right now it's just a bunch of text :) |
| 02:23.50 | creeperz | not if yu make it a PDF! |
| 02:24.05 | creeperz | then itll be text with cool stuff! |
| 02:24.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:25.44 | creeperz | can yu DCC or post it somewhere when you're done? |
| 02:26.29 | creeperz | then just Y! it to me? |
| 02:26.34 | creeperz | the link, that is |
| 02:26.43 | creeperz | cuz i gotta take off real quick |
| 02:27.08 | JeffM2501 | still proofing |
| 02:27.10 | JeffM2501 | need a bit |
| 02:27.20 | JeffM2501 | it's not like it's going anywhere :) |
| 02:51.52 | *** join/#bzflag fplus (~d8ec13ee@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 02:52.25 | *** part/#bzflag fplus (~d8ec13ee@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 02:57.58 | *** join/#bzflag Thumper_ (~bernt@CPE000102d0fe24-CM0012256ecbde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:58.23 | Thumper_ | SportChick: ping |
| 03:01.00 | SportChick | Thumper_: poing |
| 03:03.58 | *** join/#bzflag fplus (~d8ec13ee@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 03:05.56 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user) |
| 03:07.00 | Thumper_ | SportChick: you were looking for me earlier? what's up? |
| 03:12.35 | SportChick | I don't remember |
| 03:13.37 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 03:13.51 | Thumper_ | I sent you a PM on bzbb...you can ignore that |
| 03:25.10 | *** join/#bzflag [shorty114] (~shorty114@shorty114.user) |
| 03:39.44 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~Quol@modemcable103.129-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 03:46.30 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Lego|Desk@adsl-64-108-206-188.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 03:49.59 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-165-17-165.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 03:57.11 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~Quol@modemcable103.129-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 04:00.13 | *** join/#bzflag MeBigFatGuy (dave@balt-209-150-117-142.dynamic-dial.qis.net) |
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| 04:09.42 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 04:09.42 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 04:10.54 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~Quol@modemcable103.129-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 04:14.40 | Quol | hey there orchid |
| 04:14.54 | orchid | hello |
| 04:35.43 | *** part/#bzflag fplus (~d8ec13ee@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 04:36.31 | *** join/#bzflag DBlue (DBlue@12.174.152.171) |
| 04:37.27 | DBlue | is it true all you all hate dial users? i need to know so i can psot truth on my website |
| 04:37.50 | DBlue | dialup bad right? |
| 04:38.13 | DBlue | bring it on, say turth |
| 04:38.19 | DBlue | truth |
| 04:39.02 | DBlue | i know u ser this noodle |
| 04:39.09 | DBlue | hi noodle |
| 04:39.28 | JeffM2501 | diaup is slow |
| 04:39.31 | JeffM2501 | broadband is better |
| 04:39.38 | JeffM2501 | but hate is a strong word |
| 04:39.46 | brlcad | hate is .. heh |
| 04:39.47 | JeffM2501 | the game should run ok with small numbers of users on dialup |
| 04:40.07 | JeffM2501 | sadly there are limits to what it can do with bandwith and lag |
| 04:40.18 | JeffM2501 | I know I'll personaly never go back to dialup |
| 04:40.31 | JeffM2501 | once you taste 6 megs down, you can't go back :) |
| 04:40.38 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, find any code yet? :) |
| 04:41.51 | JeffM2501 | if it's words you want, I got some :) I wrote 5 pages of open combat story today, cus of a dream I had |
| 04:42.24 | DBlue | when i get a yes dialup users are a miniorty..........esp with logs? then we have PROOF game is great! but users are speed crazy, thanks!your response has been posted nationally! :) |
| 04:42.45 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 04:43.04 | brlcad | all your base are belong to dialup? |
| 04:43.10 | lan56 | I don't even understand that, and I speak Stupid |
| 04:43.21 | DBlue | huh? means i guess you did not go to collage? |
| 04:43.32 | brlcad | riight |
| 04:43.47 | brlcad | DBlue: we have lots of folks on dial up, even developers |
| 04:44.07 | *** join/#bzflag Aribeth (~Aribeth@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:44.10 | JeffM2501 | woudl you feel better if I just had said "dialzup suX0rz!!!" ? |
| 04:44.13 | brlcad | there was even an enhancement on the 2.0 release that improved the performance for dialup users |
| 04:44.33 | brlcad | or are you just trolling for an argument? |
| 04:44.36 | orchid | hi Aribeth |
| 04:45.17 | DBlue | means a great game, but 98% users are killing dialup users for LAG purposes, same as killing someone for their race, colour, bzflag has become a game of race, religion., and predjudice |
| 04:45.37 | Aribeth | hi orchid |
| 04:45.42 | brlcad | DBlue: that's just silly |
| 04:45.47 | orchid | Aribeth: I really like your map |
| 04:45.48 | DBlue | yeah ok |
| 04:45.53 | JeffM2501 | not realy, broadband is quatafialbly better in performance |
| 04:45.54 | brlcad | there's only so much bandwidth -- stay off the busy servers |
| 04:45.56 | lan56 | tell it to the judge :) |
| 04:45.57 | Aribeth | thanks |
| 04:46.04 | JeffM2501 | unlike all those other things you listed |
| 04:46.10 | DBlue | see how funny you think my thought is when u hear it national radio |
| 04:46.18 | DBlue | ok? |
| 04:46.22 | Aribeth | orchid, which one? |
| 04:46.22 | brlcad | I'd welcome the publicity |
| 04:46.26 | JeffM2501 | 1500k down at 10ms latency is BETTER then 57k down at 250ms |
| 04:46.30 | DBlue | i am sure you would |
| 04:46.39 | DBlue | i am would be too happy to make it happen |
| 04:46.46 | JeffM2501 | Dblue, what nation? |
| 04:46.55 | DBlue | i can prove what i say? can YOU? |
| 04:47.06 | brlcad | DBlue: prove what? |
| 04:47.20 | JeffM2501 | I can prove that dsl sends more data faster then a dialup |
| 04:47.21 | orchid | Aribeth: Giza |
| 04:47.22 | DBlue | did you even get thru high school? |
| 04:47.29 | DBlue | jesus |
| 04:47.34 | JeffM2501 | dblue enough with the educational insults |
| 04:47.38 | brlcad | DBlue: you are a short shake away from a kick |
| 04:47.41 | JeffM2501 | yor making youse3lf look stupid |
| 04:48.00 | JeffM2501 | talking trols, what's next? |
| 04:48.15 | DBlue | kick me, like there aint a million chatrooms besides this one? fuck YOU |
| 04:48.22 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 04:48.23 | brlcad | cya then |
| 04:48.25 | DBlue | wow |
| 04:48.28 | DBlue | yeah |
| 04:48.28 | JeffM2501 | what an asshat |
| 04:48.32 | DBlue | eat me |
| 04:48.35 | DBlue | lol |
| 04:48.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [-v DBlue] by brlcad |
| 04:48.42 | lan56 | boom shackalacka boom |
| 04:48.43 | DBlue | hahahhaa |
| 04:48.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+q DBlue!*@*] by brlcad |
| 04:48.45 | Quol | lol |
| 04:49.03 | Aribeth | they will never learn! |
| 04:49.06 | Quol | they never cease to amaze me... |
| 04:49.07 | brlcad | no kidding |
| 04:49.13 | lan56 | agreed |
| 04:49.22 | orchid | chatrooms :P |
| 04:49.30 | brlcad | the poor sap could at least come up with a better argument |
| 04:49.55 | Quol | on another note - I managed to get a free 1GB/s link straight to the core up here in montreal :) |
| 04:49.58 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:50.10 | brlcad | nice |
| 04:50.29 | orchid | Quol: you have to teach me that free bandwith trick |
| 04:51.13 | *** part/#bzflag DBlue (DBlue@12.174.152.171) |
| 04:51.23 | brlcad | woo hoo |
| 04:51.24 | Quol | I don't know how long it will last, but the ISP I dealt with for the past 3 years agreed on giving me an IP on their backbone which uplinks to 15 ISP's up here....time for some fun I guess :) |
| 04:51.55 | Quol | orchid, i will try to - this one I got sort of by chance |
| 04:51.59 | Aribeth | very nice |
| 04:52.51 | Aribeth | lol |
| 04:53.20 | Quol | could be learner - could be :) |
| 04:53.30 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:53.40 | brlcad | howdy Tegan |
| 04:53.47 | brlcad | missing all the fun |
| 04:53.50 | lan56 | I wonder what made him suddenly start trolling, he was on here for a while then suddenly started up |
| 04:53.58 | *** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-16-210.paradise.net.nz) |
| 04:54.00 | lan56 | nm |
| 04:54.17 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, what to read the scaryiest thing known to man? |
| 04:54.40 | lan56 | I am dyslexic and didn't see he joined and started trolling immediately |
| 04:54.51 | JBdiGriz | It must be friday night, and nobody started up the server. Everyone is playing in here. |
| 04:54.56 | Quol | lol lan56 |
| 04:55.13 | Quol | hey JBdiGriz |
| 04:55.22 | sussudio | lan56: what did you read that as then? "Hello all you nice people!"? |
| 04:55.34 | Aribeth | must be |
| 04:55.53 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i know you don't mean your pdf, already glanced and it wasn't scary ;) |
| 04:56.03 | JeffM2501 | yea it is |
| 04:56.06 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:56.08 | JeffM2501 | it's the horible englich |
| 04:56.17 | JeffM2501 | I wrote THINGS! |
| 04:56.20 | lan56 | sussudio: didn't read the name correctly |
| 04:56.22 | JeffM2501 | I'm not suposed to write |
| 04:56.28 | JeffM2501 | I can't even type |
| 04:56.30 | brlcad | well, I'm used to the englich |
| 04:56.37 | brlcad | the content was good :) |
| 04:56.52 | JBdiGriz | Actually, bzflag is a game of prejudice, all the reds try to shoot the greens and vice versa. |
| 04:56.53 | JeffM2501 | I don't like some of the names |
| 04:57.06 | JeffM2501 | and the blacks kill everyone |
| 04:57.26 | Quol | leave it to JB to find truth in a Trolls statements |
| 04:57.35 | JBdiGriz | :D |
| 04:58.35 | DOrange | so, is it true you think that all dial-up users are racist? |
| 04:58.42 | JBdiGriz | It's too bad he's not still reading, he could be giving himself a heart attack ;) |
| 04:58.44 | DOrange | are you prejudiced against orange players? |
| 04:58.46 | Quol | lol - here we go |
| 04:58.54 | orange | hehe |
| 04:59.05 | Quol | how are ya orange - been a while :) |
| 04:59.08 | sussudio | green > orange |
| 04:59.11 | orange | good quol, how about yourself? |
| 04:59.38 | Quol | not bad, just trying to get back into a routine with this new job, but life is good - can't complain :) |
| 04:59.53 | orange | yeah, new job, free bandwidth, sounds good to me :-) |
| 05:00.26 | Quol | hehe - yup, all I need know is a free 8-way 64bit itanium2 box :) |
| 05:00.52 | orange | you always have good lag on bzflag |
| 05:00.55 | orange | what else do you want? |
| 05:01.02 | JBdiGriz | Where can I get some free bandwidth? |
| 05:01.18 | orange | talk to Quol, I hear he's holding some :-) |
| 05:01.30 | *** join/#bzflag ThinkTiM (~sorensen@67.36.218.74) |
| 05:01.33 | JBdiGriz | I could use a static IP, separate from the dial-up line that I'm using. |
| 05:01.59 | ThinkTiM | anyone had mouse problems on the latest bzflap with the latest xorg? |
| 05:02.05 | JBdiGriz | More bandwidth is always appreciated, or a lower price for something similar to what I have. |
| 05:02.11 | Quol | lol - I don't know how long they will let me stay...although they didn't give me a time limit- and I am providing some high level consulting for them on the side....JB - what you want to do with it? |
| 05:02.15 | JBdiGriz | What OS are you running on? |
| 05:02.17 | ThinkTiM | bzflag (correction :) ) |
| 05:02.20 | orange | broadband prices don't seem to be changing |
| 05:02.23 | orange | ThinkTiM: nice typo :-) |
| 05:02.34 | Quol | I have Gentoo on there now |
| 05:02.35 | ThinkTiM | orange: thx |
| 05:03.00 | orange | Quol: how do you like it? I've been pretty happy with it so far |
| 05:03.01 | JBdiGriz | ThinkTiM: What OS? |
| 05:03.12 | ThinkTiM | gentoo |
| 05:03.19 | orange | how coincidental :-) |
| 05:03.34 | Quol | orange: at first I didn't know if I should hate it or love it, now I love it :) |
| 05:03.35 | ThinkTiM | everyone's gentooing these days :) |
| 05:03.37 | *** join/#bzflag Silver[a] (SilverFox@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com) |
| 05:03.46 | orange | hey Silver[a] |
| 05:03.56 | JBdiGriz | Quol: I'm running my servers on my home system, DNS, mail, web, etc. Since I'm my own primary, it would be nice to have the static IP on the fast connection. |
| 05:04.28 | orange | hmmm, yes, you would need static to act as your own primary dns server |
| 05:05.11 | orange | hehe ThinkTiM... you already have two other users here |
| 05:05.36 | orange | what specifically is happening with your mouse, ThinkTiM? |
| 05:06.34 | ThinkTiM | nothing - I enter a game - I can see a mouse cursor (which I don't think is normal) but the game doesn't react.....the buttons work as normal |
| 05:07.10 | lan56 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates <- look at what's at the top of the candidate list :)))) |
| 05:08.09 | orange | ThinkTiM: I've had some input problems, but never that one, sorry |
| 05:08.15 | Quol | orange: when did you switch over to gentoo? |
| 05:08.22 | trepan | ThinkTIM: options -> input -> active input device ? |
| 05:08.30 | trepan | lan56: This is a self-nomination as I wrote the majority of what is there. --Lan56 |
| 05:08.31 | ThinkTiM | I'm running the ~x86 version of xorg - maybe theres something wrong |
| 05:08.40 | ThinkTiM | trepan - tried that - thanks |
| 05:09.00 | lan56 | trepan: yes, it was small and simple before |
| 05:09.05 | trepan | ThinkTiM: p.s. you're supposed to see the mouse cursor, that's normal |
| 05:09.08 | orange | Quol: I put gentoo on some new servers back in July |
| 05:09.55 | ThinkTiM | trepan - is it the same cursor or something bzflag specific? I can't remember |
| 05:09.56 | Quol | orange: lol - shows that we haven't talked much since then I guess :) |
| 05:10.01 | orange | haven't used it on a desktop yet |
| 05:10.12 | Quol | me neither - only on servers |
| 05:10.23 | orange | I'm dying to switch my desktop, but I don't have time :-/ |
| 05:10.35 | ThinkTiM | gentoo on the desktop is great - except recently for playing bzflag :( |
| 05:10.56 | Quol | I really like the fact that it's more *BSDish, and you get to install a fairly completely barebones system, and only put on it what you want - the use flags are great also |
| 05:10.58 | trepan | ThinkTiM: default cursor |
| 05:11.01 | orange | ThinkTiM: I'd ask if you compiled it yourself, but the answer seems relatively obvious |
| 05:11.22 | ThinkTiM | orange: indeed |
| 05:11.32 | orange | Quol: it's the barebones-ness that attracted me to it for server use |
| 05:11.43 | ThinkTiM | trepan: thx I'll hunt around, it must be something simple |
| 05:12.00 | orange | ThinkTiM: you running in a window or fullscreen? |
| 05:12.01 | Quol | orange: we see to think alike in some areas |
| 05:12.11 | orange | Quol: indeed |
| 05:12.19 | ThinkTiM | good point - I'll try a window..... |
| 05:12.26 | orange | the other thing that attracted me to gentoo was the end of the upgrade treadmill |
| 05:12.51 | Quol | ya - that's why a ran from that beta linux called fedora |
| 05:12.57 | orange | yep |
| 05:13.16 | *** join/#bzflag LarkSPur (LarkSPur@ZR159008.ppp.dion.ne.jp) |
| 05:13.33 | LarkSPur | I need some help... |
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| 05:13.46 | orange | even more silver |
| 05:13.52 | LarkSPur | the server error. |
| 05:13.56 | Quol | redhat is throwing all sorts of crud in there, and upgrades aren't compatible with previous versions etc... really is treating like a beta OS - good idea in a business sense though |
| 05:13.56 | ThinkTiM | orange - how do you run bzflag in a window? |
| 05:14.11 | orchid | LarkSPur: what error? |
| 05:14.27 | LarkSPur | >orchid [Write error EAGAIN] |
| 05:14.32 | orange | ThinkTiM: -window |
| 05:14.47 | LarkSPur | it always... |
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| 05:15.25 | ThinkTiM | orange - thx - still didn't help.....mmmm |
| 05:16.28 | orchid | LarkSPur: what OS are you using? |
| 05:16.56 | LarkSPur | WinXP SP2, but Firewall disabled. |
| 05:17.18 | LarkSPur | use Norton instead. |
| 05:17.37 | orchid | LarkSPur: where are you seeing this error? as you connect to a server? |
| 05:17.54 | LarkSPur | no, from outcoming |
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| 05:19.07 | LarkSPur | other players can't join... |
| 05:19.41 | orchid | LarkSPur: whats the adress of the server? |
| 05:20.00 | LarkSPur | bzflag.sbz.mydns.jp:5156 |
| 05:21.10 | ThinkTiM | cya all |
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| 05:21.29 | orchid | ~bzfquery bzflag.sbz.mydns.jp:5156 |
| 05:21.48 | Quol | well - bed time for me, see you all later....nice |
| 05:21.50 | Quol | oops |
| 05:21.55 | Quol | nice chatting :) |
| 05:22.04 | JBdiGriz | G'night Q |
| 05:22.11 | LarkSPur | bot can join, but... |
| 05:22.13 | orange | cyu quol |
| 05:22.19 | LarkSPur | G'night |
| 05:22.38 | JeffM2501 | Tartarus is a stupid name for a bank, what would be a better one? a bank that is like THE one real bank of the world? |
| 05:23.39 | orange | globank |
| 05:23.49 | LarkSPur | what'EAGAIN? |
| 05:23.50 | orange | could do some cool logos with that, too :-) |
| 05:24.08 | JeffM2501 | it actualy spans multiple star systems |
| 05:24.48 | orange | well, now you're totally out of my league |
| 05:25.13 | orchid | LarkSPur: your using Norton firewall? |
| 05:25.33 | LarkSPur | yep but now it's disabled too. |
| 05:25.41 | orchid | LarkSPur: I'm not sure what EAGAIN is, I have never ran a server on XP |
| 05:26.49 | LarkSPur | oh, thx to help.. I try in the other way. >orchid |
| 05:27.30 | orchid | LarkSPur: check back here another time, someone else might know |
| 05:27.56 | LarkSPur | ok, thx |
| 05:28.04 | JBdiGriz | EAGAIN is an error. |
| 05:28.16 | orange | can you repeat that? |
| 05:28.24 | LarkSPur | oh, what type is it? |
| 05:28.45 | JBdiGriz | It's basically a transient error that might clear if you try the call again. Where are you seeing it? |
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| 05:30.30 | LarkSPur | from local. |
| 05:31.07 | orange | well, g'night all |
| 05:33.20 | trepan | game/NetHandler.cxx|277: toBeKickedReason = "Write error EAGAIN"; |
| 05:33.22 | trepan | misnomer? |
| 05:33.38 | LarkSPur | ~bzfquery bzflag.sbz.mydns.jp:5156 |
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| 05:35.06 | LarkSPur | is there any solution to solve this problem you think? |
| 05:37.46 | LarkSPur | what's "try the call"? >JBdiGriz |
| 05:39.10 | orchid | LarkSPur: I could connect that time |
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| 05:44.06 | JBdiGriz | It means that the program wrote a packet, probably to the net, and received a transient error. It should have retried the write, but instead just errored out. |
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| 05:54.06 | Silver1 | how is the "lagstats" measured? ICMP echo? |
| 05:54.12 | Silver1 | or is it some sort of UDP ping? |
| 05:55.02 | LarkSPur | JBdiGriz:hmmm..., so what should I do? |
| 05:55.27 | LarkSPur | ~bzfquery bzflag.sbz.mydns.jp:5154 |
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| 05:57.14 | sgk284 | sportchick, pong |
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| 06:11.36 | Thumper_ | night |
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| 06:23.06 | wegstar | yaaay! I fixed my server woes :) |
| 06:23.22 | wegstar | the problem was that I have to leave my server running a little... |
| 06:23.47 | wegstar | ffor some reason, then global login works |
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| 06:26.56 | wegstar | bug? |
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| 06:46.48 | sgk284 | if a global authenticated user logs onto a server that already has a user by that callsign, anyone see any problems with kicking the person already logged on? |
| 06:47.11 | DTRemenak | sgk284, nope, sounds good. notify both parties. |
| 06:47.20 | sgk284 | k |
| 06:47.23 | DTRemenak | imho autoghost is the way to go :) |
| 06:48.30 | sgk284 | i was going to modify ghost but then the client would have to grab a new token and send it to the server which i dont even think would accept it by that point, and then the server would have to authenticate it, remove the old palyer and switch the new player...in other words it'd be messy and change protocol...this "autoghost" seems more effective :) |
| 06:49.23 | sgk284 | unless i'm wrong and the client can send a new token to the server at any point in the game... which doesnt sound right:) |
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| 06:49.43 | coby | Hey guys :D |
| 06:49.49 | sgk284 | hey coby |
| 06:49.53 | coby | :D |
| 06:49.57 | sgk284 | :P |
| 06:49.58 | coby | hey sgk284. |
| 06:50.02 | sgk284 | how goes it? |
| 06:50.15 | coby | I have been using Blender for about 3 years |
| 06:50.27 | coby | and have just recently fallen in love with BZflag |
| 06:50.38 | sgk284 | awesome:) |
| 06:50.40 | coby | I found the game about a week ago |
| 06:50.49 | coby | heh, yeah. :) |
| 06:50.59 | coby | and I was like... 0_0 |
| 06:51.10 | coby | dude... I want to make my own levels... |
| 06:51.19 | sgk284 | its a nice game and its being developed at breakneck speeds :) |
| 06:51.23 | coby | so I go looking at how to do it |
| 06:51.26 | sgk284 | coby, go for it its easy:) |
| 06:51.30 | coby | oh really? |
| 06:51.32 | sgk284 | yea |
| 06:51.56 | sgk284 | if you see somethign in a world that you like and dont know how to implement it you can always save the world and open it in like vim or something |
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| 06:52.06 | sgk284 | are you on a *nix machine? |
| 06:52.13 | coby | I use Mac |
| 06:52.15 | coby | OS X |
| 06:52.28 | coby | and windows 2000... but I would prefer to stay on OS X |
| 06:52.34 | sgk284 | okay |
| 06:52.38 | coby | because my win machine is a bit laggy |
| 06:52.50 | sgk284 | hrmm do man pages exist on a mac, or some equivalent |
| 06:52.51 | coby | but I found that one convertor |
| 06:52.59 | coby | man pages? |
| 06:53.01 | sgk284 | yea 3ds2bzw |
| 06:53.08 | sgk284 | nevermind about the man pages :) |
| 06:53.19 | coby | coder terminology? |
| 06:53.44 | sgk284 | yea its a *nix thing, i though maybe because mac is based on freebsd they might have them |
| 06:53.48 | sgk284 | thought* |
| 06:53.55 | coby | I don't know |
| 06:53.56 | sgk284 | no biggy |
| 06:54.02 | coby | I did use Linux for a while |
| 06:54.06 | coby | Red Hat |
| 06:54.08 | sgk284 | what exactly are you looking to do? |
| 06:54.15 | sgk284 | i use red hat, its nice:) |
| 06:54.56 | coby | Well... I want to use the modeltool on OS X to convert my Blender files that I export to .obj files. |
| 06:55.10 | coby | yes, Blender can export to .obj files, baybee |
| 06:55.14 | coby | :P |
| 06:55.27 | sgk284 | blender is a nice program |
| 06:55.42 | coby | But I do not exactly know if OS X will allow me to compile the modeltool source.. |
| 06:55.53 | coby | I have not yet compiled ANY source on my Mac yet |
| 06:56.00 | coby | or OS X for that matter |
| 06:56.09 | sgk284 | do you have the mac dev tools installed? |
| 06:56.12 | coby | anyone know how to compile source on OS X? |
| 06:56.15 | sgk284 | think they are an optional thing |
| 06:56.15 | coby | well... |
| 06:56.21 | coby | I doubt it |
| 06:56.57 | sgk284 | anyless someone else can chime in with more experience on a mac... i think you need them |
| 06:57.06 | sgk284 | s/any/un |
| 06:57.37 | coby | s/any/un? |
| 06:58.02 | cods | change 'any' for 'un' in its last sentence |
| 06:58.10 | sgk284 | its a vim thing... means replace any with "un", i wrote anyless, meant unless |
| 06:58.15 | sgk284 | yea |
| 06:58.18 | coby | ah |
| 06:58.37 | coby | ok |
| 06:58.47 | sgk284 | so you have no compiler for mac? |
| 06:58.54 | sgk284 | what about mingw or something on windows? |
| 06:59.09 | coby | well.. I don't want to work in windows |
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| 06:59.19 | coby | I have never compiled anything in windows before |
| 06:59.27 | coby | only in Linux have I compiled something |
| 06:59.36 | coby | I did moderate amount of that... |
| 06:59.50 | coby | but I am still a tranee when it comes to the terminal... |
| 06:59.59 | sgk284 | okay |
| 07:00.12 | sgk284 | not a problem, although the conversion tool is console based |
| 07:00.16 | sgk284 | just so you know: |
| 07:00.18 | sgk284 | :) |
| 07:00.23 | coby | oh |
| 07:00.44 | sgk284 | MeBigFatGuy, any words of advice for coby? he's trying to use the 3ds2bzw tool, doesnt have dev tools installed |
| 07:00.50 | sgk284 | hey lan56 |
| 07:01.19 | MeBigFatGuy | need gcc to build |
| 07:01.20 | coby | well, can't you just drag a .obj file, kicking and screaming, into the modeltool and then it gets plooped out as a bzflag level? |
| 07:01.27 | coby | ohhh |
| 07:01.32 | coby | gcc for OSX |
| 07:01.34 | coby | gotcha |
| 07:01.35 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
| 07:01.45 | coby | 0_0 |
| 07:01.52 | sgk284 | heh |
| 07:02.51 | brlcad | coby: dev tools CD, install everything |
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| 07:03.51 | sgk284 | purple_cow, did you see dblue on again earlier? heh what a nut |
| 07:03.59 | purple_cow | he messaged me |
| 07:04.02 | purple_cow | was he here? |
| 07:04.03 | sgk284 | lol |
| 07:04.05 | sgk284 | yea |
| 07:04.06 | coby | br1cad, good idea |
| 07:04.11 | sgk284 | brlcad took care of him today |
| 07:04.16 | coby | The Xcode Tools 1.5 release is a complete installation of the Xcode development tools. It includes an enhanced version of the Xcode IDE with enhanced features and improvements to the user experience, speed, and the build system. |
| 07:04.21 | sgk284 | i think |
| 07:04.23 | coby | I saw that on the mac site... |
| 07:04.26 | coby | :P |
| 07:06.19 | lan56 | sgk284: hey |
| 07:06.19 | brlcad | coby: do you not have the dev tools CD? |
| 07:06.38 | brlcad | you need more than XCode |
| 07:06.41 | coby | looking... |
| 07:06.47 | coby | ohh |
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| 07:09.02 | brlcad | no code yet |
| 07:09.33 | JeffM2502 | dang |
| 07:09.34 | JeffM2502 | :) |
| 07:10.29 | coby | ok brlcad, I have 2 OS X install discs, and another disc that says additional software and hardware test. |
| 07:10.36 | coby | I outha try the third disc |
| 07:12.11 | coby | hmm |
| 07:12.18 | coby | third disc didn't have it |
| 07:12.21 | brlcad | none of those |
| 07:12.30 | brlcad | it'll say developer tools |
| 07:12.34 | coby | bastages... |
| 07:12.49 | coby | :P |
| 07:14.24 | coby | 0_0 |
| 07:14.27 | coby | Woo hoo |
| 07:14.28 | coby | nstalling Xcode Tools |
| 07:14.29 | coby | To install just Xcode Tools, follow these steps: |
| 07:14.29 | coby | 1. Insert the Mac OS X Install Disc 1 that came with your computer. |
| 07:14.29 | coby | 2. Double-click "Xcode Tools." |
| 07:14.29 | coby | 3. Then double-click "Developer.mpkg." |
| 07:14.33 | coby | 4. Follow the onscreen instructions. |
| 07:14.42 | coby | that's it right? |
| 07:14.57 | MeBigFatGuy | sounds right :) |
| 07:15.05 | coby | heh heh heh |
| 07:15.24 | coby | My Mac is morphing into a Linux box |
| 07:15.28 | coby | well.. |
| 07:15.41 | coby | I associate coding with Linux |
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| 07:15.45 | sgk284 | heh |
| 07:16.22 | coby | oh yeah |
| 07:16.30 | coby | this is definately "it" |
| 07:16.52 | sgk284 | is xcode the object c stuff by apple? |
| 07:20.04 | coby | brb |
| 07:20.15 | coby | gonna close stuff to install cleanly.. |
| 07:20.22 | brlcad | sgk284: the developer installer package includes xcode and various gnu compilers including c, c++, and obj-c/c++ |
| 07:20.39 | brlcad | heh, silly paranoid mac user |
| 07:20.44 | brlcad | must be from the os 9 days |
| 07:21.35 | sgk284 | heh |
| 07:22.04 | sgk284 | i've heard horror stories about object c :) things like you have to use prepositions?! |
| 07:22.46 | Silver1 | how is the "lagstats" measured? ICMP echo? or is it some sort of UDP ping? |
| 07:22.46 | purple_cow | sgk284: believe them |
| 07:22.59 | sgk284 | purple_cow, hehe |
| 07:23.01 | MeBigFatGuy | dynamic inheritance is main difference, me recalls |
| 07:23.14 | purple_cow | MeBigFatGuy: that and the braindead syntax |
| 07:23.18 | sgk284 | lol |
| 07:23.35 | brlcad | objective c is very nice for dynamic typing |
| 07:23.54 | purple_cow | i know! let's introduce prototyping and calling syntax which is completely different than anything else! |
| 07:24.10 | brlcad | purple_cow just fears change |
| 07:24.14 | sgk284 | heh |
| 07:24.15 | Silver1 | Where is a list of flags and their names documented? |
| 07:24.22 | sgk284 | silver1, wiki? |
| 07:24.25 | cods | bzfs -help list them |
| 07:24.25 | brlcad | actually it's not completely different :P |
| 07:24.31 | brlcad | very much like smalltalk |
| 07:24.39 | purple_cow | it's completely different than C |
| 07:24.45 | purple_cow | if they wanted smalltalk, they should have used smalltalk |
| 07:24.48 | brlcad | that's not "everything else" |
| 07:25.25 | purple_cow | it's idiotic to have different syntax for defining/calling member functions vs other functions |
| 07:26.07 | brlcad | not much different than having class declarations in c++ |
| 07:26.39 | brlcad | and the syntax itself isn't the point at all |
| 07:27.23 | brlcad | that's like saying a car is horrible because it has a round doorknob |
| 07:27.45 | sgk284 | well... that would be a pretty horrbile car ;) i wouldnt buy it |
| 07:28.06 | brlcad | I'd take a viper with a round doorknob any day |
| 07:28.28 | MeBigFatGuy | more flexible less efficient |
| 07:28.28 | sgk284 | heh true |
| 07:28.28 | brlcad | it's only a very tiny part of the car |
| 07:28.32 | sgk284 | i was only kidding |
| 07:28.34 | sgk284 | :) |
| 07:28.44 | sgk284 | i got your point |
| 07:29.22 | brlcad | MeBigFatGuy never ceases to amaze :) |
| 07:29.29 | sgk284 | MeBigFatGuy, heh nice |
| 07:29.47 | MeBigFatGuy | was evaluating it to see if we should port our product to the NeXT box. |
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| 07:30.06 | MeBigFatGuy | after a month out there, we said 'no, thanks' |
| 07:30.18 | MeBigFatGuy | but it was a nice vacation |
| 07:30.33 | purple_cow | brlcad: having good syntax is pretty important to me in a language |
| 07:31.01 | Silver1 | Is the best way to do flags on 2.0 still +f A +f GM +f IB, etc? |
| 07:31.07 | brlcad | purple_cow: so then you should love applescript |
| 07:31.11 | sgk284 | good syntax? thats what python is for |
| 07:31.13 | MeBigFatGuy | prolly, Silver1 |
| 07:31.20 | sgk284 | :) |
| 07:31.36 | MeBigFatGuy | wow, is applescript still around? |
| 07:31.45 | brlcad | applescript is an amazing scripting language when it comes to syntax.. |
| 07:32.29 | brlcad | tell application Microsoft Office to open file my_doc.doc |
| 07:32.29 | MeBigFatGuy | What ever happened to OpenDoc? |
| 07:32.38 | purple_cow | brlcad: probably, 'cept for the fact that it doesn't run on any of the OS's i use |
| 07:33.06 | brlcad | MeBigFatGuy: yep, it's still around |
| 07:33.16 | sgk284 | opendoc is still alive and well |
| 07:33.24 | brlcad | yeah, that's applescripts' biggest downfall sadly |
| 07:33.27 | MeBigFatGuy | It was a bear to program.. as that is, iirc |
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| 07:34.11 | MeBigFatGuy | at least legacy apps |
| 07:34.50 | MeBigFatGuy | that was before mvc was commonplace |
| 07:35.32 | brlcad | I think of all the programming environments I've used through the years, smalltalk was actually the most enjoyable and efficient to code in |
| 07:36.11 | brlcad | sadly it's not a practical language |
| 07:36.32 | JeffM2502 | hypercard! |
| 07:36.32 | Silver1 | I'd like to see a "flags" file which would include a list of flags (or maybe even a "flags" block in the world file!) |
| 07:36.34 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 07:36.59 | MeBigFatGuy | Silver1, you can do that with a conf file |
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| 07:38.02 | MeBigFatGuy | wow, new rumors are Dubya's dad was deepthroat |
| 07:38.23 | sgk284 | MeBigFatGuy, lol |
| 07:41.09 | Silver1 | MeBigFatGuy, how do you mean? |
| 07:41.39 | MeBigFatGuy | put the -f 's that you want in a conf file, and run as bzfs -conf myfile |
| 07:41.44 | MeBigFatGuy | that's what you want, no? |
| 07:42.08 | JeffM2502 | wow time flys when your banging out the words |
| 07:42.44 | Silver1 | MeBigFatGuy, I am using -conf myfile, but the flags alone take up a couple of pages. It'd be nice to have a seperate file (ie -user userdb, or -help blah blah.txt, but I'd like -flags ffa.flags) |
| 07:42.49 | MeBigFatGuy | time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana |
| 07:43.05 | MeBigFatGuy | couple of pages? |
| 07:43.13 | MeBigFatGuy | me gads, what are you doing? |
| 07:43.42 | JeffM2502 | 9 pages |
| 07:43.44 | JeffM2502 | a story |
| 07:43.53 | MeBigFatGuy | you can pile up all the flags on one line if you want |
| 07:43.55 | JeffM2502 | well story notes |
| 07:45.08 | JeffM2502 | kinda a history of the future |
| 07:45.31 | Silver1 | MeBigFatGuy, oh, that's an idea. |
| 07:46.04 | Silver1 | I don't suppose there is a toggle to show your tank position? |
| 07:46.31 | MeBigFatGuy | show/hide radar? |
| 07:48.03 | Silver1 | no, like the x/y/z coordinates of my tank. |
| 07:48.14 | Silver1 | It'd be nice for map making/testing. |
| 07:48.26 | Silver1 | maybe just allow it in obs mode. |
| 07:48.37 | Silver1 | if its not hiding somewhere already. |
| 07:50.51 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
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| 07:51.00 | coby | ok |
| 07:51.04 | MeBigFatGuy | perhaps that ability is in one of the map editors |
| 07:51.09 | coby | installed the Dev toolz |
| 07:51.13 | coby | :P |
| 07:55.05 | brlcad | coby: what are you going to compile? |
| 07:55.16 | coby | modeltool |
| 07:55.29 | coby | to convert .obj to bzflag level |
| 07:55.43 | coby | I have another question though.. |
| 07:56.40 | coby | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/tools/modeltool/ |
| 07:56.57 | coby | there is the page where I can get the modeltool source |
| 07:57.04 | coby | but which files do I get? |
| 07:57.07 | brlcad | heh |
| 07:57.18 | brlcad | check out bzflag from cvs |
| 07:57.38 | brlcad | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login |
| 07:57.42 | brlcad | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
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| 07:58.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 08:00.30 | coby | hey br1cad, those links aren't working for me. :/ |
| 08:01.11 | purple_cow | ...links? |
| 08:01.16 | coby | -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 08:01.20 | coby | errr |
| 08:01.27 | brlcad | that wasn't a link |
| 08:01.50 | brlcad | paste both those lines into Terminal |
| 08:02.04 | brlcad | no password when prompted |
| 08:02.04 | coby | ohh |
| 08:02.08 | coby | ok |
| 08:02.20 | brlcad | mm.. australian goodness |
| 08:02.57 | Silver1 | hmm... safety zones only apply to normal spawning, not spawning after CTF, huh? |
| 08:05.52 | coby | hey brlcad, it is downloading.. |
| 08:05.58 | coby | but what will this do for me? |
| 08:06.06 | coby | ok it is done |
| 08:06.11 | coby | :D |
| 08:06.13 | coby | what now? |
| 08:07.23 | coby | hey brlcad, what now? |
| 08:07.40 | JBdiGriz | cd bzflag; sh autogen.sh; ./configure; make |
| 08:08.21 | *** join/#bzflag kyelewis` (~kyelewis@203.46.65.187) |
| 08:08.56 | coby | whoa |
| 08:09.32 | sgk284 | lol |
| 08:09.40 | coby | JBdiGriz, that is one complex-looking command |
| 08:09.43 | sgk284 | its okay, consoles aren't scary :) |
| 08:09.49 | sgk284 | its all just pixels |
| 08:09.52 | coby | well... I just wet myself |
| 08:09.53 | DTRemenak | it's four commands :) |
| 08:09.56 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:10.00 | coby | :P |
| 08:10.59 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, feel like testing autoghost? |
| 08:11.03 | brlcad | eww |
| 08:11.06 | sgk284 | works for me, would like to test with someone else |
| 08:11.11 | DTRemenak | sgk284, sure |
| 08:11.18 | DTRemenak | join your server as me :) |
| 08:11.20 | sgk284 | krenzel.info:5154 |
| 08:11.23 | sgk284 | okay |
| 08:11.45 | sgk284 | i'm in |
| 08:12.04 | DTRemenak | "The callsign specified is already in use" |
| 08:12.19 | sgk284 | did you use global authentication? |
| 08:12.26 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:12.32 | DTRemenak | no, actually I didn't :) |
| 08:12.37 | DTRemenak | <duh> |
| 08:12.44 | sgk284 | good then, you tested the other part for me too:) |
| 08:12.48 | sgk284 | yea i was kicked |
| 08:13.37 | sgk284 | can you tell me when you rejoin |
| 08:14.22 | DTRemenak | that seems to have work |
| 08:14.30 | DTRemenak | you kicked me off when I was playing as you :) |
| 08:14.46 | DTRemenak | I didn't get a message either time though |
| 08:14.53 | DTRemenak | just the standard kick message when I was kicked |
| 08:15.04 | sgk284 | hrmm yea, i'm sending the message but its not being received:/ |
| 08:15.07 | DTRemenak | it would be nice to know that I was ghosted off the server, or that I ghosted someone off :) |
| 08:15.19 | sgk284 | removePlayer(i,"Your Callsign is registered to another user. You have been ghosted"); |
| 08:15.22 | sgk284 | anything wrong with that? |
| 08:15.44 | DTRemenak | I don't think so. Look at removePlayer and see if it changes it. |
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| 08:15.59 | sgk284 | k |
| 08:16.14 | brlcad | saying it is registered to another user might be wrong |
| 08:16.16 | coby | oh boy |
| 08:16.27 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@adsl0660ge.worldcom.ch) |
| 08:16.31 | coby | hey brlcad, it is done compiling... 0_0 now what? |
| 08:16.34 | brlcad | if I ghost myself for example |
| 08:16.36 | DTRemenak | hm, that's true. could be you ghosting yourself even |
| 08:16.39 | sgk284 | oh duh... think i need to pass true as the 3rd arg |
| 08:16.52 | DTRemenak | bah, you stole me lines! |
| 08:16.55 | sgk284 | brlcad, yea i copied that part from the /ghost command |
| 08:17.09 | sgk284 | seemed wierd but i figured it was chosen for a reason |
| 08:17.11 | brlcad | ghost command should probably get fixed then too :) |
| 08:17.15 | sgk284 | :) |
| 08:17.24 | sgk284 | i would never second guess the devs ;) |
| 08:17.28 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 08:17.41 | sgk284 | okay |
| 08:17.56 | sgk284 | kidding* |
| 08:18.02 | DTRemenak | the more you work on bz the more you find stuff that's just stupid :) |
| 08:18.04 | sgk284 | wow am i even speaking english anymore? |
| 08:18.30 | sgk284 | just "You have been ghosted" seem okay? |
| 08:18.59 | brlcad | perhaps hint at what that means |
| 08:19.31 | sgk284 | "you have been 0wNed" |
| 08:19.41 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 08:19.56 | DTRemenak | "Another client using your registered callsign and password has removed you. You have been ghosted." ? |
| 08:20.02 | sgk284 | sounds good |
| 08:20.22 | DTRemenak | brlcad, opinions? |
| 08:20.35 | DTRemenak | or maybe reverse the order of the sentences |
| 08:20.41 | brlcad | s/using/claims/ |
| 08:20.50 | brlcad | i like that order |
| 08:21.14 | DTRemenak | s/using/which claims/ for proper grammar |
| 08:21.46 | DTRemenak | I like using better though :) |
| 08:22.07 | brlcad | they're not using it yet .. :) |
| 08:22.12 | DTRemenak | yes they are... :) |
| 08:22.15 | sgk284 | heh |
| 08:22.16 | trepan | draw a starcraft screen, and a flashing red dot, wiat 5 secs, blow it to hell, show the "GHOSTED!" message, crash the client |
| 08:22.20 | DTRemenak | they just kicked you off, they're using it now :) |
| 08:22.23 | sgk284 | actually they start using it 2 lines after;) |
| 08:22.45 | sgk284 | trepan always has the best ideas |
| 08:22.48 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 08:22.53 | DTRemenak | ~trepan++ |
| 08:23.03 | brlcad | they will use it.. but not that instant |
| 08:24.09 | brlcad | Another client has removed you by claiming ownership of your callsign. You have been ghosted. |
| 08:24.28 | DTRemenak | I think it's important to mention that the other client is using your password |
| 08:24.54 | DTRemenak | Another client has demonstrated ownership of your callsign with your password. You have been ghosted. |
| 08:25.01 | brlcad | it's not necessarily my password if I'm the ghostee |
| 08:25.09 | coby | hey brlcad, what now? |
| 08:25.12 | DTRemenak | s/your/the correct |
| 08:25.17 | coby | It compiled |
| 08:25.25 | coby | :o |
| 08:25.33 | brlcad | that'd work |
| 08:25.57 | coby | well where is it? |
| 08:26.05 | DTRemenak | sgk284, that sound good to you? "Another client has demonstrated ownership of your callsign with the correct password. You have been ghosted." |
| 08:26.07 | sgk284 | does bzadmin spit out messages like that? or just bzflag? |
| 08:26.16 | DTRemenak | bzadmin ought to |
| 08:26.16 | sgk284 | sure :) |
| 08:26.22 | DTRemenak | we have...consensus :) |
| 08:26.30 | brlcad | "Another client has removed you by demonstrating ownership of your callsign with the correct password. You have been ghosted." ? |
| 08:26.40 | DTRemenak | that works too |
| 08:26.51 | DTRemenak | probably more clear |
| 08:26.55 | DTRemenak | but longer :) |
| 08:27.10 | brlcad | coby: cd tools && make modeltool |
| 08:27.35 | coby | ooo |
| 08:28.09 | brlcad | and cross your fingers |
| 08:28.14 | coby | /usr/include/gcc/darwin/3.3/c++/ppc-darwin/bits/atomicity.h:65: error: `asm' |
| 08:28.14 | coby | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.14 | coby | make[2]: *** [modeltool.o] Error 1 |
| 08:28.14 | coby | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 08:28.14 | coby | make: *** [modeltool] Error 2 |
| 08:28.19 | coby | dang... |
| 08:28.24 | sgk284 | removePlayer is acting funny... gonna try rejectPlayer |
| 08:28.26 | brlcad | yep, you didn't cross y our fingers |
| 08:28.31 | *** join/#bzflag RoC (~446f92cc@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 08:28.33 | coby | hahaha |
| 08:28.47 | RoC | hello? |
| 08:29.03 | coby | hello Roc |
| 08:29.10 | brlcad | kid RoC? |
| 08:29.22 | RoC | nope... just Roc |
| 08:29.29 | RoC | how's everyone? |
| 08:29.36 | brlcad | horrible, just aweful |
| 08:29.49 | coby | yeah... |
| 08:30.09 | RoC | sorry to hear that... would anyone like to try and help me solve a problem? |
| 08:30.09 | coby | brlcad, so does that mean I am hopeless? |
| 08:30.11 | brlcad | all that and a "Bag of Chips"? |
| 08:30.17 | brlcad | coby: you are hopeless |
| 08:30.20 | brlcad | unless you can code |
| 08:30.26 | coby | oh heck no |
| 08:30.29 | brlcad | coby: try gcc_select 2 |
| 08:30.36 | RoC | lol |
| 08:31.07 | coby | into terminal |
| 08:31.11 | RoC | I remind someone of BoK? you wouldn't be talking about a certain Bank of Kev would you? |
| 08:31.13 | sgk284 | is the error in the code? |
| 08:31.26 | brlcad | sgk284: which error? |
| 08:31.31 | sgk284 | modeltool |
| 08:31.48 | brlcad | there's something wrong in there, haven't had time to hunt it down |
| 08:31.51 | sgk284 | k |
| 08:31.57 | brlcad | should be some const/static mishap |
| 08:32.00 | coby | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.00 | coby | *** AS root (OR WITH THE -root OPTION). *** |
| 08:32.00 | coby | *** NO CHANGES WERE MADE TO YOUR SETUP. |
| 08:32.07 | coby | ok.. |
| 08:32.10 | brlcad | so do as it says |
| 08:32.12 | coby | changing to root |
| 08:32.22 | brlcad | sudo gcc_select 2 |
| 08:32.51 | DTRemenak | RoC, no, the BoC is the Caltech Board of Control, which is one of the two committees in charge of enforcing the honor code |
| 08:33.05 | DTRemenak | judge, jury, and executioner all in one :) |
| 08:33.57 | RoC | Interesting... the acronym just looked familiar |
| 08:34.22 | RoC | Can anyone PLEASE tell me why I'm getting a blank screen when trying to fun BZ?? |
| 08:34.44 | RoC | Running on an XP machine with Radeon 9800 |
| 08:34.53 | RoC | pro |
| 08:35.11 | DTRemenak | RoC, latest video drivers? |
| 08:35.19 | RoC | I pretty sure. |
| 08:35.26 | DTRemenak | running it in a window work? |
| 08:35.45 | RoC | I was trying to run the full screen version |
| 08:35.52 | RoC | it worked fine yesterday. |
| 08:36.19 | DTRemenak | hm, try removing "my documents/my bzflag files/2.0" |
| 08:36.35 | RoC | I'll try that right now. |
| 08:36.41 | coby | crap |
| 08:36.49 | coby | I need to get the root password |
| 08:36.52 | coby | >:/ |
| 08:38.03 | Pizbit | Muahaha |
| 08:38.08 | Pizbit | Got my mate into the game:) |
| 08:38.13 | sgk284 | heh |
| 08:38.25 | DTRemenak | he addicted yet? :) |
| 08:38.31 | sgk284 | one step closer to world domination |
| 08:38.31 | Pizbit | Dunno |
| 08:38.40 | sgk284 | err i mean... uh... |
| 08:38.47 | Pizbit | Played a bit before he had to leave. |
| 08:38.53 | RoC | DTRemenak -- That seemed to work |
| 08:39.05 | DTRemenak | RoC, darn, that means it's our fault not yours :( ;) |
| 08:39.17 | RoC | why's that? |
| 08:39.31 | DTRemenak | something's being written to the config file that's causing it not to start right |
| 08:39.33 | RoC | And Thanks for the help! |
| 08:39.36 | DTRemenak | that implies a bug in bzflag :) |
| 08:39.54 | Pizbit | DTRemenak: Erm, where it loads to the point just before a menu etc? |
| 08:39.58 | RoC | Well it's still a great little game. |
| 08:40.07 | DTRemenak | Pizbit, dunno, ask RoC :) |
| 08:40.18 | coby | gnight guys. |
| 08:40.34 | coby | brlcad, thanks for your help, bro |
| 08:40.36 | coby | :D |
| 08:40.54 | coby | night |
| 08:41.03 | *** part/#bzflag coby (~coby@cs6669123-201.satx.rr.com) |
| 08:46.01 | brlcad | bleh, he didn't need the root passwd |
| 08:46.36 | sgk284 | heh |
| 08:47.07 | sgk284 | okay maybe i'm confused, but isn't removePlayer() the command to use to remove a player and send a reason to them? |
| 08:47.42 | sgk284 | rejectPlayer doesn't appear to send or kick, at least at this point in the game (on msgEnter) |
| 08:49.49 | DTRemenak | sgk284, removePlayer should be correct |
| 08:50.05 | sgk284 | k |
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| 09:20.47 | sgk284 | so close to having this done.... |
| 09:21.54 | Pizbit | sgk284: ...when is the last time you actually played bzflag? |
| 09:22.43 | sgk284 | lol why? |
| 09:22.50 | sgk284 | its been a bit |
| 09:23.20 | sgk284 | i try to hop on whenever i can even if its just for a minute or two:) |
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| 09:49.25 | jpa_ | morning |
| 09:50.55 | sgk284 | morning jpa, just about to head to bed:) |
| 09:51.16 | sgk284 | tegan, what was possible? |
| 09:51.24 | jpa_ | ah.. 12hours sleep <3 |
| 09:51.25 | Tegan | playing for just a minute or two |
| 09:51.31 | sgk284 | hehe |
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| 09:53.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03sgk284 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Autoghost when globally authenticated and logging on. |
| 09:53.45 | jpa_ | hmm? |
| 09:56.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03sgk284 * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Autoghost when globally authenticated and logging on. |
| 09:56.20 | sgk284 | okay now i'm really going to sleep |
| 09:56.23 | sgk284 | good night:) |
| 09:56.37 | jpa_ | night |
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| 13:19.33 | ToughShooter | ~bzflist |
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| 13:45.09 | ToughShooter | ~x en de Culling |
| 13:45.25 | ToughShooter | ~x en de Track Mark |
| 13:48.29 | Pimpinella | ToughShooter: trackmarks sind die verblassenden Spuren, die du mit deinem Panzer hinterlaesst |
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| 13:51.36 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: Aha! Danke |
| 13:52.35 | ToughShooter | Versuche gerade herauszufinden, was die fps so viel niedriger macht als in der alten Version... |
| 13:53.03 | Pimpinella | schalt mal smoothing aus, das hat bei mir geholfen |
| 13:55.46 | ToughShooter | Tatsächlich...und es sieht besser aus ;-) |
| 13:56.48 | Pimpinella | eigentlich sollte die framerate fast nichts gegenueber 1.10 verlieren |
| 13:56.48 | ToughShooter | What do these Texturing modes? I mean those entries containing linear and mipmap. |
| 13:57.28 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: Ich bekomme statt 55 fps nur noch 15-20 |
| 13:57.59 | Pimpinella | nicht so einfach zu erklaeren, schalt mal durch, dann siehst du die qualitätsunterschiede |
| 13:58.09 | Pimpinella | was hast du für ne GraKa? |
| 13:58.39 | ToughShooter | ATI Radean 7500 Mobile, 32 MB DDR |
| 13:58.46 | ToughShooter | Radeon |
| 13:59.04 | Pimpinella | die sollte auch mehr können imho |
| 13:59.33 | Pimpinella | auch mit abgeschaltetem smoothing nur 15 fps? |
| 14:00.06 | ToughShooter | bin gerade auf 31 gekommen, aber mit allen angeschalteten Zeug hatte ich damals immer 55 |
| 14:00.37 | Pimpinella | was fuer'n prozessor und bertiebssystem? |
| 14:00.38 | ToughShooter | besser gesagt mindestens immer 55 |
| 14:01.01 | ToughShooter | PPC 750@800MHZ, Mac OS X Version 10.3.7 |
| 14:01.19 | Pimpinella | hast du glxgears? |
| 14:01.32 | ToughShooter | keine Ahnung |
| 14:01.47 | ToughShooter | Was soll das denn sein? |
| 14:01.58 | Pimpinella | mach mal 'ne konsole auf und gib glxgears ein |
| 14:02.14 | ToughShooter | Error: couldn't open display (null) |
| 14:03.10 | Pimpinella | kann es sein, daß du die 3D Beschleunigung nicht eingeschaltet hast? |
| 14:03.48 | ToughShooter | Ich weiß nicht mal, wie man die ein und ausschalten kann... |
| 14:04.02 | ToughShooter | Kannst Du bitte UTF-8 nutzen? |
| 14:04.14 | Pimpinella | ungern |
| 14:04.32 | ToughShooter | Hmm, egal |
| 14:05.12 | Pimpinella | zongo-works: u there? |
| 14:05.19 | ToughShooter | Wie kann man denn die 3D Beschleunigung einschalten? |
| 14:05.37 | Pimpinella | ja, warte mal.. |
| 14:05.44 | Pimpinella | brlcad: ping |
| 14:06.22 | Pimpinella | jomojo: ? |
| 14:08.10 | ToughShooter | Ist wohl niemand da :-( |
| 14:08.37 | Pimpinella | doch, jojo ist da |
| 14:08.49 | jomojo | oy |
| 14:09.11 | ToughShooter | :-) |
| 14:09.33 | Pimpinella | er kanns aber auch nicht sagen |
| 14:10.08 | zongo-works | i am here Pimpinella |
| 14:10.16 | Pimpinella | ...scaut aber nochmal was nach |
| 14:10.29 | ToughShooter | braucht glxgears einen aktiven X11-Server? |
| 14:10.40 | Pimpinella | ToughShooter: sicher ;) |
| 14:10.51 | ToughShooter | dann sollte ich mal einen öffnen |
| 14:10.57 | Pimpinella | besser |
| 14:11.21 | zongo-works | Pimpinella: Frage? |
| 14:11.32 | Pimpinella | zongo-works: ja... |
| 14:11.50 | ToughShooter | Es läuft gerade |
| 14:11.55 | Pimpinella | is there a default way to turn 3d accellerstion on or of on osX? |
| 14:12.14 | zongo-works | hum hum... |
| 14:13.14 | ToughShooter | soll ich glxgears abbrechen? |
| 14:13.19 | Pimpinella | ja |
| 14:13.29 | Pimpinella | was haste denn fuer werte? |
| 14:14.22 | Pimpinella | ToughShooter: ? |
| 14:14.30 | ToughShooter | Sehr unterschiedlich...1609.400 FPS war das höchste und 426.800 FPS das niedrigste |
| 14:15.16 | ToughShooter | Soll ich das ganze Zeug posten? |
| 14:15.52 | Pimpinella | hm, 3d ist dann wohl an, 1600 sollte aber fuer bis zu 110fps reichen |
| 14:16.28 | ToughShooter | Wow, so viel hatte ich ja noch nie! |
| 14:16.39 | Pimpinella | warum du solche Schwankungen drin hast musst du vielleicht rausfinden |
| 14:17.08 | Pimpinella | ich komm hier nicht über 1450 fps mit glxgears |
| 14:17.23 | Pimpinella | und hab auf ducati so um die 100 |
| 14:17.31 | ToughShooter | :-( |
| 14:17.45 | Pimpinella | viper immer noch um die 70 und zwar mit allem an |
| 14:17.54 | ToughShooter | kann die CPU schuld sein? |
| 14:18.33 | Pimpinella | keine ahnung, eigentlich nur wenn du hohe Last hast und der Systembus zum Flaschenhals wird |
| 14:18.52 | ToughShooter | hmm |
| 14:19.02 | Pimpinella | zongo-works: jomojo thanks |
| 14:19.04 | ToughShooter | ich lass mal top mitlaufen |
| 14:19.54 | Pimpinella | also wie gesagt, 1450fps in glxgears hab ich hier, das aber auch konstant |
| 14:20.03 | ToughShooter | 0.0% idle |
| 14:20.14 | Pimpinella | das fällt bei mir nicht so ab |
| 14:20.24 | Pimpinella | 0,0? |
| 14:20.33 | ToughShooter | Also ist die CPU bis zum Anschlag belastet |
| 14:20.39 | Pimpinella | sorry, aber dann kanns nicht klappen... |
| 14:20.47 | Pimpinella | was machst du denn da? |
| 14:21.04 | ToughShooter | top und bzflag gleichzeitig ausführen |
| 14:21.10 | Pimpinella | wow |
| 14:21.20 | Pimpinella | wart mal... |
| 14:22.12 | ToughShooter | ...wobei es gleichzeitige Ausführung auf einem Einprozessorsystem eigentlich gar nicht gibt |
| 14:22.30 | zongo-works | Pimpinella: ich habe nichts gemacht :) |
| 14:22.36 | Chestal | 100'%CPU-Auslastugn bei bz ist normal |
| 14:22.43 | ToughShooter | seufz |
| 14:22.45 | Chestal | würde mich wundern, wenn's anders wär |
| 14:23.21 | Chestal | ToughShooter: kriegst du mehr fps bei kleinerem Fenster/Auflösung? Hast ud mal mit diversen EInstellungen gespielt? Radarmodeus? Konsolentransparenz? |
| 14:23.41 | Chestal | wir reden hier von einer einfachen Karte, also sowas wie ducati, oder? |
| 14:23.57 | Chestal | brint Texturen aus was? etc., probier mal alles durch |
| 14:24.23 | ToughShooter | Chestal: die fps zahl scheint von der fenstergröße und der Auflösung fast unabhängig zu sein, viel rumprobiert habe ich auch |
| 14:24.33 | ToughShooter | Jo |
| 14:24.42 | Pimpinella | trotzdem, mit allem ausgeschaltet trotzdem nur 15fps, da ist doch was falsch |
| 14:25.14 | Pimpinella | jedenfalls bei der Hardware |
| 14:25.27 | Chestal | mit allem aus muss das auf jeden Fall >100FPS sein bei ner einfachen Karte |
| 14:26.05 | ToughShooter | soll ich mal glxgears mit -info laufen lassen? |
| 14:27.03 | Pimpinella | kann nicht schaden ;) |
| 14:27.04 | jpa_ | why is everybody speaking some strange language i can not understand? :) |
| 14:27.05 | ToughShooter | mit quality low bekomme ich 42 fps -aber das kanns dann ja wohl nicht sein... |
| 14:27.13 | ToughShooter | it's german |
| 14:27.22 | Pimpinella | because you live in finnland ;) |
| 14:27.54 | Pimpinella | jpa_: iirc |
| 14:28.29 | Chestal | ToughShoot: hast du mal radar&panel opacity auf vollkommen undruchsichtig gestellt? |
| 14:28.41 | jpa_ | you do, except for one 'n' too much :) |
| 14:28.52 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 14:28.56 | ToughShooter | Ich weiß jetzt, warum ich so schwankungen in glxgears habe... |
| 14:28.56 | Chestal | ToughShooter: und mal unter effects alles aus erstmal, macht aber wohl nix |
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| 14:29.28 | jpa_ | eww.. they speak some strange language in utf-8 :D |
| 14:29.31 | ToughShooter | wenn das fenster im vordergrund ist bekomme ich mindestens 1074.400 FPS |
| 14:30.02 | ToughShooter | GL_RENDERER = ATI Radeon 7500 OpenGL Engine |
| 14:30.03 | ToughShooter | GL_VERSION = 1.3 ATI-1.3.36 |
| 14:30.22 | ToughShooter | Scheint eigentlich in Ordnung zu sein, oder? |
| 14:30.53 | ToughShooter | Chestal: Moment bitte, bzflag ist im hintergrund abgestürzt |
| 14:31.12 | Pimpinella | denk schon, ob der treiber jetzt aktuell ist kann ich nicht sagen |
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| 14:32.10 | ToughShooter | wenn _alles_ aus ist bekomme ich 47 fps |
| 14:32.30 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 14:33.30 | ToughShooter | wenn ich nicht auf eine wand schaue sind es nur 37, (jpa river) |
| 14:34.11 | Chestal | das ist aber ja nun schon eine kompliziertere Karte |
| 14:34.41 | ToughShooter | wo gibt es eine einfache für die neue version? |
| 14:35.20 | Chestal | z.B: die autmatisch generierten, laufen auch ne Menge Server mit |
| 14:35.55 | ToughShooter | bei ducati bekomme ich 77 fps |
| 14:35.55 | Pimpinella | ducati.bzflag.org:irgendwas |
| 14:36.58 | ToughShooter | Ist das normal? |
| 14:37.19 | ToughShooter | Ohne andere Spieler |
| 14:37.25 | Pimpinella | 105-115 |
| 14:37.33 | Pimpinella | mit anderen spielern |
| 14:37.46 | Pimpinella | und ungefähr vergleichbarem system |
| 14:38.03 | ToughShooter | BZFlag hates me :-( |
| 14:38.13 | Pimpinella | pIII 650 gf4mx |
| 14:39.36 | ToughShooter | 99 fps bei 640 * 480 |
| 14:39.50 | Pimpinella | sprich mal nachher mit brlcad/learner oder mikkel |
| 14:40.01 | ToughShooter | OK |
| 14:40.08 | Pimpinella | das sind wohl hier die apple spezielisten |
| 14:40.14 | Pimpinella | spezialisten |
| 14:43.17 | ToughShooter | jetzt geht das radar nur noch vollkommen schwarz oder total transparent schalten. Hmpf |
| 14:43.30 | Pimpinella | borked |
| 14:43.43 | ToughShooter | ~x en de borked |
| 14:44.00 | Pimpinella | ~dict borked |
| 14:44.23 | Pimpinella | naja, kaputt halt |
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| 14:44.54 | Pimpinella | privia kannste auch fragen |
| 14:45.11 | PvtMalarkey | hi there |
| 14:45.20 | Pimpinella | hi |
| 14:45.25 | blast007 | PvtMalarkey: hello |
| 14:45.36 | ToughShooter | dafür wird jetzt in der höschten Transparenzeinstellung die Größe vom Radar geändert. |
| 14:45.55 | PvtMalarkey | anyone used to registering on my.BZFLAG.org? I tried to, but the mail to confirm my account never reached me... |
| 14:46.21 | ToughShooter | Die Voreinstellungen kann ich jetzt wahrscheinlich mal getrost löschen... |
| 14:46.53 | Pimpinella | PvtMalarkey: mistyped? |
| 14:47.02 | *** join/#bzflag tea|tree (~utw7@p548737BA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:47.02 | PvtMalarkey | checked it twice |
| 14:47.45 | PvtMalarkey | Is there no error log, some file saying: Malarkey that morone tried to register but e-mail is not valid |
| 14:48.39 | PvtMalarkey | Or every player tried to register and the board's mail ressources went low |
| 14:48.42 | ToughShooter | Jetzt habe ich 119 fps! |
| 14:50.45 | Pimpinella | PvtMalarkey: dunno, tried to login even without confirmation? |
| 14:50.57 | PvtMalarkey | Nope, didn't dare to ;-) |
| 14:50.59 | Pimpinella | ToughShooter: ja, das klingt vernünftiger |
| 14:51.14 | PvtMalarkey | Let's see... |
| 14:52.11 | PvtMalarkey | Nope, doesn't work |
| 14:52.15 | Pimpinella | da ungefähr solltest du landen |
| 14:52.17 | blast007 | PvtMalarkey: did it mistakenly get caught by a spam filter, and thrown in a junk mail folder? |
| 14:52.28 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: Aber nachdem texturing und quality auf ein schönes Niveau eigestellt sind sind es nur noch 76-90 |
| 14:52.54 | Pimpinella | naja, das ist aber ja immerhin schon spielbar |
| 14:53.00 | Pimpinella | und besser als vorher |
| 14:53.02 | PvtMalarkey | ...maybe spam filter, but none are active. I receive mail via Mozilla Messanger, no filters in front of it... |
| 14:53.15 | blast007 | k |
| 14:54.04 | PvtMalarkey | Maybe I'll have to try again, thanks, so far. I love jumping pads and esp. the sound they make :-) |
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| 15:12.10 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: Ich habe auch schon erfolgreich mit 8 fps geführt... |
| 15:13.20 | Pimpinella | ja, ich hab auch schon mit p 166 ohne 3d Graka mti 1,5 fps gespielt... |
| 15:13.32 | Pimpinella | macht aber nicht wirklich spaß |
| 15:14.31 | ToughShooter | habe ich auch nicht behaupted d:) |
| 15:18.07 | Nidhoggr | brlcad: ping |
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| 15:52.09 | Legolas | hi |
| 15:52.18 | Legolas | anyone here? |
| 15:53.06 | ToughShooter | I am |
| 16:06.14 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: ich habe glxgears nochmal laufen lassen - es bleibt konstant bei 1114.600 FPS. Wie würde das zur Leistung in BZFlag skalieren? |
| 16:07.28 | Pimpinella | so um 80 fps auf ducati vielleicht |
| 16:07.44 | Pimpinella | mit grafikzeugs an |
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| 16:09.01 | ToughShooter | Ich biete 53 |
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| 16:11.35 | ToughShooter | Also irgendwas stimmt da wohl nicht |
| 16:11.56 | Pimpinella | möglich, haengt auch immer von der glx implementation ab |
| 16:13.24 | Pimpinella | glxgears ist ein _sehr_ einfacher Benchmark, fuer graphisch anspruchsvolle Spiele laesst sich nur wenig aussage treffen, aber fuer bzflag wars bisher eigentlich noch immer ok |
| 16:13.59 | quantomfoam | present |
| 16:14.00 | ToughShooter | Klar ist der einfach... |
| 16:14.19 | Pimpinella | trotzdem, der Vergleich ist schwierig, ich hab halt einen völlig anderen Grafikchip |
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| 16:15.12 | Pimpinella | achja, ich hab natuerlich immer noch smoothing aus... |
| 16:15.24 | ToughShooter | Tja, vielleicht sollte ich mir einen Rechner nur für BZFlag kaufen |
| 16:15.40 | ToughShooter | smoothing habe ich auch aus gehabt |
| 16:17.55 | ToughShooter | aber wenn ich mir überlege, das ich früher mal 55 fps in Spirals 3.0 hatte |
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| 16:23.40 | ToughShooter | jetzt sind es 10 weniger |
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| 16:56.40 | EvilGrin | ~bzfquery 82.43.224.11:5154 |
| 16:58.59 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 16:59.04 | ruskie | :( |
| 16:59.27 | Pimpinella | it's not listed |
| 16:59.36 | ruskie | I know... |
| 16:59.48 | ruskie | but maybe someone acctually got the hint sometime and comes to play... |
| 16:59.54 | ruskie | other than my lonely self |
| 17:00.04 | Pimpinella | hm, prolly i could list the latest version of it |
| 17:00.23 | Pimpinella | get some players have experience with it... |
| 17:06.46 | brlcad | Pimpinella: pong |
| 17:06.49 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: pong |
| 17:07.40 | Pimpinella | brlcad: ToughShooter had performance problems with 2.0 on osX, dunno if it's fixed yet |
| 17:07.42 | Nidhoggr | what happened with darth vader? |
| 17:07.54 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: he was banned |
| 17:07.58 | Nidhoggr | he emailed me asking to be unbanned. I wasn't familiar with the situation. |
| 17:08.12 | Pimpinella | thought he prolly had 3d acceleration disabled, but he hadn't |
| 17:08.35 | Nidhoggr | what did he do? |
| 17:08.37 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: he was running a server with profanity in the public description |
| 17:09.00 | Nidhoggr | aah |
| 17:09.01 | brlcad | I went to talk to him several times yesterday, but he wouldn't respond |
| 17:09.18 | brlcad | (and he was there) |
| 17:09.46 | brlcad | Pimpinella: did he turn depth culling on? |
| 17:10.17 | Pimpinella | ToughShooter: read up |
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| 17:13.23 | brlcad | ToughShooter: make sure Depth Buffer is set to On under Display Settings menu |
| 17:14.12 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: I would not unban him without an explanation or apology |
| 17:14.21 | JeffM2501 | brlcad: any code? :) |
| 17:14.29 | brlcad | lots |
| 17:14.37 | brlcad | but not the code you want :) |
| 17:14.45 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:15.41 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: you remember why the callsign ant eater was disallowed? |
| 17:15.52 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:15.54 | Nidhoggr | someone with ant_eater wants to remove his _ |
| 17:15.58 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:16.02 | JeffM2501 | have him do it |
| 17:16.07 | JeffM2501 | he can just change his name |
| 17:16.20 | Nidhoggr | I tried doing it for him and got that ant eater was a banned name. |
| 17:16.51 | JeffM2501 | hmm *eat* is in the disalowed list |
| 17:16.58 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: he wasn't banned from bzbb explicitly |
| 17:17.12 | brlcad | well, i suppose in a way he was |
| 17:17.17 | Tupone | hi brlcad |
| 17:17.26 | JeffM2501 | it's pulled it |
| 17:17.30 | JeffM2501 | I pulled it |
| 17:17.33 | JeffM2501 | he should be cool now |
| 17:17.39 | brlcad | he wasn't banned in bzbb, though |
| 17:17.44 | Nidhoggr | ok... |
| 17:17.50 | brlcad | i firewalled him |
| 17:18.09 | brlcad | so he can't talk to my.bz at all |
| 17:18.42 | JeffM2501 | ouch |
| 17:18.42 | Nidhoggr | this is a different guy |
| 17:19.05 | Nidhoggr | 2 different things :) |
| 17:19.13 | Nidhoggr | darth vader and ant_eater |
| 17:20.08 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Why do I get less fps with BZFlag 2? |
| 17:21.33 | brlcad | ahh |
| 17:21.46 | ToughShooter | In glxgear bench I get constantly around 1116.600 FPS but on a map like ducati with some graphics features on only 53 |
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| 17:21.52 | brlcad | ToughShooter: 2 has a completely different rendering layer on os x |
| 17:22.05 | ToughShooter | Hi SportChick |
| 17:22.15 | SportChick | hiya Ts |
| 17:22.23 | brlcad | the new layer allows windowed mode (hit F1), new input devices, and then some |
| 17:22.48 | ToughShooter | brlcad: yeah, I got kicked several times because of F1... |
| 17:23.23 | brlcad | Nidhoggr & others: there's two means to perform a server ban on my.bz, FYI .. |
| 17:23.39 | brlcad | .. first is a list server ban, which is a deny line in the apache conf |
| 17:23.49 | ToughShooter | brlcad: So it's normal that I get that amount of fps with a ATI Radeon 7500 Mobile 32 MB RAM? |
| 17:24.11 | brlcad | .. second is the firewall which I enabled with a simple block list -- see /etc/rc.iptables |
| 17:24.33 | brlcad | you can add/remove entries from /etc/rc.iptables and rerun the script to reload it |
| 17:24.45 | ToughShooter | brlcad: DepthBuffer is turned on |
| 17:25.20 | brlcad | ToughShooter: what was your FPS before? |
| 17:26.00 | SportChick | brlcad: g'morning |
| 17:27.20 | brlcad | ToughShooter: I wouldn't say it's "normal", but it was a tradeoff for a variety of other benefits -- there's more work and performance tweaking needed though |
| 17:27.26 | brlcad | mornin' SportChick |
| 17:29.34 | Pimpinella | ruskie: viper:5158 is listed now with the latest version of the map |
| 17:29.40 | ruskie | nice... |
| 17:29.41 | ruskie | tnx |
| 17:29.41 | Pimpinella | still unfinished though |
| 17:29.46 | ruskie | well |
| 17:30.07 | ruskie | as long as I get to play my favorite game ony my favorite server I'm happy |
| 17:30.12 | ruskie | btw does it supprot gloab.l logins yet? |
| 17:30.31 | Pimpinella | sure |
| 17:30.42 | ruskie | so I just need to /deregister? |
| 17:31.14 | Pimpinella | yeah, though you will deregister from 1.10 too, they are still linked |
| 17:31.20 | ruskie | not a prob |
| 17:31.40 | ToughShooter | brlcad: FPS dropped around 15 in general. Wasn't looking on ducati but I had 55 on Spirals 3.0 and now 45 on same map |
| 17:31.45 | ruskie | stopped playing 1.1x 4 weeks ago when my gpu and fs crashes |
| 17:31.54 | ruskie | and then I switched to bzflag2 |
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| 17:32.01 | sgk284 | g' morning |
| 17:32.05 | ToughShooter | hello |
| 17:32.12 | sgk284 | SportChick, ping |
| 17:33.17 | ToughShooter | brlcad: In addition whenever my callsign is already used on a server I get those "black screens of death" |
| 17:35.08 | SportChick | sgk284: pong |
| 17:35.21 | Tupone | dunno if some of the guys here has problem with sound. In case try to free CPU with vblank syncing. It now work on linux nvidia. Just do __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 bzflag |
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| 17:36.37 | sgk284 | SportChick, last night i committed some code for autoghosting... if you log on globally authenticated and someone is already on as you, it boots them |
| 17:36.54 | sgk284 | just wanted to let you know |
| 17:36.55 | SportChick | sgk, cool |
| 17:37.01 | ToughShooter_ | brlcad: It just crashed again |
| 17:37.09 | SportChick | does the server code need to be updated or is it automatically occuring |
| 17:37.27 | ToughShooter_ | SportChick: Sometimes my client freezes when I want to connect to secretplace |
| 17:37.29 | sgk284 | nope, nid and any other server admin will need to recompile :/ |
| 17:37.49 | sgk284 | so it will be a bit before it takes hold everywhere |
| 17:38.18 | sgk284 | ToughShooter, crashes, or freezes? |
| 17:38.40 | ToughShooter_ | sgk284: freezes and takes OS down |
| 17:39.06 | SportChick | ToughShooter: that happened to me once a while ago and I reported it, but I'm not sure anyone believed me |
| 17:39.11 | sgk284 | woah |
| 17:39.15 | sgk284 | what OS? |
| 17:39.28 | ToughShooter_ | It always happens when my callsign is already in use, but in addition to that it always happens at random |
| 17:39.59 | ToughShooter_ | I get a "Server not found!" message before screen turns black |
| 17:40.13 | sgk284 | ToughShooter_, on windows? |
| 17:40.32 | ToughShooter_ | sgk284 Mac OS X 10.3.7 |
| 17:42.04 | ToughShooter_ | sgk284: Yesterdays CVS build |
| 17:42.49 | sgk284 | did the problem occur with a 2.0 stock build? |
| 17:43.14 | sgk284 | i often get a server not found for secretplace too... i wonder if perhaps with large numbers of player, the server doesn't loop around fast enough and the client times out :/ |
| 17:43.25 | ToughShooter_ | ~x en de stock |
| 17:43.43 | ToughShooter_ | ~dict stock |
| 17:44.00 | sgk284 | ToughShooter_, stock as in the original or default |
| 17:44.18 | sgk284 | i.e. you downloaded it from bzflag .org and compiled the tarball |
| 17:44.39 | ToughShooter | Do you mean a STABLE build? |
| 17:44.45 | sgk284 | that too |
| 17:44.46 | sgk284 | :) |
| 17:44.53 | sgk284 | err but stable can be misleading;) |
| 17:45.06 | ToughShooter | Official one crashes sometimes, too |
| 17:45.11 | sgk284 | okay |
| 17:46.14 | sgk284 | hrm well mif you can find any defining characteristic that is setting it off, please report it here :) |
| 17:46.22 | sgk284 | s/mif/if |
| 17:47.17 | ToughShooter | when I played and connection dropped I am already "playing" on server -> boom |
| 17:50.24 | ToughShooter | hmm, works again |
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| 17:50.56 | LordBrocktree | hello? |
| 17:51.22 | sgk284 | hello |
| 17:52.02 | sgk284 | lol |
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| 17:59.30 | brlcad | emailed and responded to vader on bzbb |
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| 18:00.03 | creeperz | world of warcraft is sooo awesome |
| 18:00.17 | creeperz | all i did yesterday afternoon |
| 18:00.31 | creeperz | came hoem from school, then went and played world of warcraft |
| 18:01.14 | brlcad | ToughShooter: when it locks up with a black screen, you should be able to abort out of bzflag with cmd-opt-esc enter |
| 18:02.49 | brlcad | ToughShooter: you're not alone.. the problems are being worked on, but I don't have a good answer for now |
| 18:03.29 | ToughShooter | brlcad: This doesn't works for me |
| 18:03.36 | ToughShooter | yes, I waited |
| 18:04.04 | brlcad | ToughShooter: have you tried compiling yourself? |
| 18:04.37 | brlcad | I may create multiple clients for the next release to get around this problem |
| 18:04.50 | brlcad | non-sdl and sdl |
| 18:05.23 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Yes, several CVS builds, last one yesterday |
| 18:05.32 | ToughShooter | Always with SDL |
| 18:05.38 | brlcad | try non-sdl |
| 18:06.04 | brlcad | non-sdl won't fix the BSOD, but should fix the performance |
| 18:06.23 | sgk284 | ~brlcad++ |
| 18:06.32 | sgk284 | awesome reply:) |
| 18:07.17 | brlcad | all in a days work |
| 18:07.20 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 18:20.03 | ToughShooter | brlcad: How to compile it without SDL? |
| 18:21.05 | brlcad | ./configure --without-SDL |
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| 18:30.32 | *** join/#bzflag arkanoid (~arkanoid@83.73.0.238.ip.tele2adsl.dk) |
| 18:31.44 | arkanoid | Hey! Any Linux guys in here... looking for someone to help me with a problem with FC3 |
| 18:32.08 | cods | not the best channel for such topics.. |
| 18:32.25 | arkanoid | sry, my prob is that bzflag won't run :) |
| 18:32.34 | cods | what's the exact problem ? |
| 18:32.52 | arkanoid | it just crashes, whenever I load it |
| 18:33.18 | arkanoid | no error messages, nothing. But according to http.//my.bzflag.org/bb forum, I should try in here |
| 18:33.41 | *** join/#bzflag sits (~sits@cpc3-cwma2-3-0-cust88.swan.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:33.48 | cods | what do you think it crashes ? It just exit and return back to shell ? |
| 18:33.48 | sits | hello |
| 18:33.54 | cods | what->why |
| 18:33.55 | arkanoid | yup |
| 18:34.11 | sits | is the self-destruct, pause, grab flag bug known? |
| 18:34.15 | sits | (bzflag2) |
| 18:34.17 | arkanoid | I have no idea why, but it started after a kernel upgrade, so that might be the problem |
| 18:35.05 | cods | what's your video card ? |
| 18:35.15 | cods | do you need to upgrade gfx driver when kernel changes ? |
| 18:35.50 | arkanoid | not that I know of... everything else works perfect |
| 18:36.02 | arkanoid | it's nVidia GeForce fx5900 |
| 18:36.12 | sits | arkanoid: what happens? |
| 18:36.42 | *** join/#bzflag redsoxfan90 (~18dae8d5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:36.50 | redsoxfan90 | who is jeff myers? |
| 18:37.02 | brlcad | someone you should listen to |
| 18:37.17 | redsoxfan90 | ok... but who is he |
| 18:37.27 | brlcad | a good guy? |
| 18:37.39 | redsoxfan90 | hes not here... |
| 18:37.50 | brlcad | i didn't say that |
| 18:37.55 | redsoxfan90 | im banned form my own server....... |
| 18:38.26 | brlcad | you were banned some time ago for being disruptive |
| 18:38.38 | brlcad | the ban was just recently enabled |
| 18:39.01 | redsoxfan90 | were? |
| 18:39.12 | brlcad | the global ban list |
| 18:39.20 | redsoxfan90 | wta did i do.. |
| 18:39.23 | redsoxfan90 | but its my sevrer.. |
| 18:39.25 | redsoxfan90 | houldnt be banned |
| 18:39.53 | brlcad | if you are causing trouble on the network, you can be banned from all public servers |
| 18:40.11 | redsoxfan90 | i wasnt acsuinsg trouble im never on 2.0.0 im always on 10.8 |
| 18:40.21 | brlcad | you were causing trouble several weeks back (and this was pointed out to you several times) |
| 18:40.31 | redsoxfan90 | totally wrong.. |
| 18:40.37 | redsoxfan90 | do you have his email... |
| 18:40.44 | redsoxfan90 | actually never mind ill email tim riker |
| 18:40.55 | brlcad | Go right ahead |
| 18:41.18 | sits | no takers on my bzflag2 minor bug |
| 18:41.36 | ToughShooter | arkanoid: confirming |
| 18:42.18 | brlcad | redsoxfan90: I'd suggest reading the BZFlag documentation regarding global bans |
| 18:47.08 | ToughShooter | brlcad: OpenGLGState.cxx:1555: error: `glXGetCurrentContext' undeclared (first use this |
| 18:47.11 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.51 | ToughShooter | then a few errors follow and make failed |
| 18:48.51 | JeffM2501 | brlcad: resoxfan90 is going to mail the devs about me puting him on masterban :) |
| 18:49.08 | brlcad | i figured :) |
| 18:49.36 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Latest CVS source |
| 18:50.36 | `ls` | JeffM2501: what's the history here? |
| 18:51.09 | JeffM2501 | he came in here was very distuptive, many people complained about him cheating on his server, so we master baned him |
| 18:51.26 | JeffM2501 | he was moding his server |
| 18:51.33 | JeffM2501 | and running it normal |
| 18:51.39 | TimRiker | hmm. as far as I'm concerned anyone can do whatever they want on thier own server. |
| 18:52.02 | TimRiker | they _should_ add mods to the welcome msg though. |
| 18:52.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah or something |
| 18:52.25 | JeffM2501 | he's basicly a jerk |
| 18:52.30 | JeffM2501 | does a lot of disuptive things |
| 18:52.31 | Chestal | TimRiker: who can edit the motd? I think we can remove the 'list server was down' message |
| 18:52.42 | TimRiker | Chestal: nod. |
| 18:52.50 | JeffM2501 | he can get around the master ban by not using it on his server |
| 18:52.56 | JeffM2501 | but no biggie if you pull it |
| 18:54.11 | brlcad | he was being quite an *ss on his server and others, and would come in here screaming that he'd done nothing wrong |
| 18:54.56 | brlcad | he'd do the same on server too .. hop around like a bunny rabbit on ducati, jump up on a building with one of the flags saying "what? i'm not doing anything wrong" when people complained |
| 18:55.26 | TimRiker | Chestal: updated both 2.0 and 1.11 (dead) msgs. |
| 18:55.35 | brlcad | Chestal: anyone that can post news ..it's on the bzflag.org admin interface |
| 18:55.42 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: hmm. very true. |
| 18:56.12 | brlcad | that's why I told him to read the docs regarding master bans |
| 18:56.27 | Chestal | brlcad: hmm, I am not familiar with it. Not sure if I should be :-) |
| 18:56.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah he dosnt' seem bright engouh to read the docs |
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| 18:58.15 | brlcad | darth vader had a bot running yesterday (and thinking back to the gameplay, I can believe that) |
| 18:58.29 | brlcad | he's going to change it to Planet MoFo |
| 18:59.33 | Grumbler | cool |
| 18:59.54 | JeffM2501 | his origonal message was "it's my server and I don't care what others think" |
| 19:00.27 | Grumbler | ...i guess he realized it wasnt his list server |
| 19:01.17 | JeffM2501 | this is why I think a server 'rating' would be good |
| 19:01.29 | JeffM2501 | then you can r rate those, and not show them by default |
| 19:01.59 | Grumbler | numanumayè |
| 19:02.28 | brlcad | hehe |
| 19:02.43 | Silver[a] | fyi, link named "maps" to http://my.bzflag.org/maps/ on http://my.bzflag.org/ is 404. |
| 19:03.10 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Where can I get "GL/glx.h". I found nothing appropriate. |
| 19:03.45 | brlcad | ToughShooter: gimme a few minutes .. there's a simple fix for that error but I'm in the middle of other things |
| 19:04.05 | Birdie | what language? |
| 19:04.13 | jpa_ | ToughShooter: umm../usr/X11R6/include/GL/glx.h |
| 19:04.17 | Grumbler | heh, that would be the first question |
| 19:04.19 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Sorry, didn't want to be impatient |
| 19:04.26 | Birdie | lol |
| 19:04.57 | brlcad | someone should update the manpage and the example conf files to mention that profanity and disruptive messages are not presently allowed.. |
| 19:04.59 | Grumbler | unless it is slang, i have eliminated italian/french/german |
| 19:05.18 | Birdie | i think something african |
| 19:05.25 | Grumbler | brlcad, unless they run their own list server |
| 19:05.42 | brlcad | i mean specifically for the public message |
| 19:05.55 | ToughShooter | jpa_: I see |
| 19:06.06 | brlcad | ahh, own list server .. heh, I wouldn't get into that |
| 19:06.55 | jpa_ | ~dict profanity |
| 19:07.17 | brlcad | Grumbler: I'm pretty sure that's north eastern european, like norway, sweden, etc |
| 19:07.32 | ToughShooter | ~x en de profanity |
| 19:07.54 | ToughShooter | ibot is soo sweet :-) |
| 19:08.13 | jpa_ | ~hug ibot |
| 19:08.15 | ibot | ACTION hugs ibot |
| 19:09.33 | jpa_ | brlcad: umm.. i do not think it sounds like sweden.. and norway etc. are quite near it |
| 19:10.25 | brlcad | http://www.bjønnes.no/blog/2005/2/numanumay.asp |
| 19:10.29 | brlcad | norway |
| 19:10.47 | jpa_ | umm..utf-8 url? |
| 19:11.03 | brlcad | wierd, eh? |
| 19:11.13 | jpa_ | how do i open that? |
| 19:11.39 | brlcad | opens up in my browser just fine.. |
| 19:11.49 | jpa_ | umm.. in utf-8? |
| 19:12.10 | jpa_ | i think it gets mangled to utf-8 in some point.. what is that character? |
| 19:12.46 | brlcad | o with a slash through it |
| 19:12.53 | jpa_ | ok |
| 19:13.35 | jpa_ | yup |
| 19:13.47 | jpa_ | your irc client / terminal is just breaking it to utf8 |
| 19:14.19 | brlcad | suure, blame it on mine, works seemlessly here ;) |
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| 19:14.31 | jpa_ | works for me too |
| 19:14.43 | bryjen | mini jeff? |
| 19:14.48 | jpa_ | as http://www.bjønnes.no/blog/2005/2/numanumay.asp |
| 19:14.50 | JeffMmini | yes |
| 19:15.10 | jpa_ | but, how does that proof it is norway? |
| 19:15.17 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 19:15.19 | bryjen | 1250.5 |
| 19:15.21 | jpa_ | ~x no en Numanumayè |
| 19:15.29 | JeffM2501 | bryjen I'm on the mac now |
| 19:16.03 | jpa_ | oh.. you have one of those cute macmini's? |
| 19:17.12 | brlcad | could also be czech |
| 19:17.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:17.42 | Chestal | is it alowed to change your name on bzbb? |
| 19:17.53 | brlcad | ahh.. here we go |
| 19:18.03 | brlcad | poster is claiming the song is in romanian |
| 19:18.37 | bryjen | Chestal: you can change your own name on your profile page |
| 19:18.40 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: you don't happen to feel sudden urge to donate that macmini to me, do you? :) |
| 19:18.47 | Chestal | ant_eater would like to be anteater but gets told it is disallowed |
| 19:18.56 | Chestal | I am not sure what the exact error message is |
| 19:19.06 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:19.46 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: humm.. my mindcontrol-machine is malfunctioning.. |
| 19:19.52 | JeffM2501 | chestal, on bzbb or in game? |
| 19:20.21 | Chestal | bzbb |
| 19:20.37 | JeffM2501 | hmm I pulled the eat disaalow |
| 19:20.44 | ruskie | whoaaaaa I love the new as of yet unfinished map Pimpinella |
| 19:21.42 | ToughShooter | It's bad regarding to the spawning but the other stuff looks really cool |
| 19:21.48 | Chestal | is there still a web based irc for bzflag? |
| 19:22.04 | Chestal | trying to lure anteater here :-) |
| 19:22.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah on my.bo |
| 19:23.28 | ToughShooter | http://my.bzflag.org/irc/irc.cgi |
| 19:23.30 | Chestal | yes,thanks |
| 19:24.10 | *** join/#bzflag anteater (~45f06ea8@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:24.24 | Chestal | hi anteater |
| 19:24.57 | anteater | hello |
| 19:25.38 | Chestal | you tried changing your name in the profile to "anteater"? do you know the exact error message you get? |
| 19:25.52 | anteater | let me go see |
| 19:27.31 | anteater | oops, sorry i just tryed and it worked |
| 19:27.52 | JeffM2501 | I fixed it this AM |
| 19:27.56 | Chestal | problem solved :-) |
| 19:28.01 | JeffM2501 | we were disalowing *eat* |
| 19:28.33 | jpa_ | why? :D |
| 19:28.44 | Chestal | but that's part of beautiful words like 'Cheater' |
| 19:28.51 | anteater | ty |
| 19:29.02 | JeffM2501 | eatme, and stuff like that |
| 19:29.07 | JeffM2501 | but we'll just watch for em |
| 19:30.11 | Chestal | anteater: try to put your bzbb in the password field in bzflag and join ducati now |
| 19:33.03 | Chestal | I always try to use "" with /deregister |
| 19:33.27 | brlcad | Grumbler: http://korwww.free.fr/lego-zone.wmv |
| 19:33.46 | brlcad | not as funny, but pretty good still :) looks like the whole song, too |
| 19:34.47 | Legoguy | eh? |
| 19:34.49 | Legoguy | oh |
| 19:39.58 | brlcad | wow, jpa_ i fully retract :) |
| 19:40.20 | jpa_ | ? |
| 19:40.23 | brlcad | think I might have found the original |
| 19:40.29 | jpa_ | ~dict retract |
| 19:40.29 | brlcad | and it's asian if it is |
| 19:41.07 | jpa_ | :) |
| 19:41.24 | brlcad | japanese |
| 19:41.39 | brlcad | http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/maiyahi.php |
| 19:41.55 | brlcad | the other fella still takes the cake |
| 19:41.55 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 19:42.01 | jpa_ | do you know what i hate? |
| 19:42.11 | brlcad | but that video does explain the english words a little bit |
| 19:42.33 | jpa_ | when i try to doubleclick on the tab-bar in firefox, and miss to hit the "close tab" button |
| 19:42.56 | brlcad | humane interface at work there |
| 19:42.58 | jpa_ | (doubleclick on the empty space opens new tab) |
| 19:44.43 | brlcad | hrm.. |
| 19:44.44 | brlcad | http://tumanov.com/entry/297 |
| 19:44.51 | brlcad | so maybe it IS romanian |
| 19:44.54 | brlcad | the mystery continues |
| 19:46.56 | jpa_ | so nu ma means "don't want" according to that translation |
| 19:47.32 | jpa_ | ja nu ma iei "don't want to take" |
| 19:47.50 | brlcad | aha.. found the artist |
| 19:47.50 | ToughShooter | I need to sleep. Night |
| 19:47.53 | brlcad | romanian |
| 19:47.57 | brlcad | go me :) |
| 19:49.00 | brlcad | http://www.o-zone.go.ro/ |
| 19:49.09 | jpa_ | hmm.. seems i failed adding light-object to bzflag :/ |
| 19:50.05 | jpa_ | i made nice copies of box-stuff and modified, and now i'm feeling there are more errors than i ever will be able to fix |
| 19:54.25 | jpa_ | nah.. i just can't make it.. have to wait trepan to implement it someday (and probably he will do it in less than half an hour) |
| 19:54.32 | *** join/#bzflag kierra (~45f06abf@rw08.de) |
| 20:01.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10admin/master-bans.txt: removed ban on darth vader player after discussions. he'd reportedly left roger running and identified with admin access, so there was no disruptive intent. |
| 20:04.14 | brlcad | the master ban list is not updating automatically, so have to sync the checkout on sf.net or edit/commit from there |
| 20:04.44 | Pimpinella | which are the perms granted to everybody and verified? |
| 20:05.01 | jpa_ | Pimpinella: you can see them with /groupperms |
| 20:05.08 | Pimpinella | true |
| 20:05.31 | Pimpinella | oh, missed in man, but found now |
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| 20:26.44 | coby | ~bzfquery publicaddr 192.168.254.2:5154 |
| 20:27.06 | coby | ~bzfquery 192.168.254.2:5154 |
| 20:27.58 | coby | ~bzfquery publicaddr 192.168.254.3:5154 |
| 20:28.09 | ruskie | erm that's an internal ip |
| 20:28.27 | coby | I suppose I should be actually running the server... |
| 20:29.02 | coby | I am wireless |
| 20:29.04 | coby | :P |
| 20:29.31 | coby | well I am using a wireless card |
| 20:29.39 | ruskie | so what |
| 20:29.43 | coby | should I have put my router's ip? |
| 20:29.43 | ruskie | that's a lan ip |
| 20:29.47 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:29.50 | ruskie | that would be a good ide |
| 20:29.52 | ruskie | +a |
| 20:29.56 | coby | and then forwarded port 5154 to my wireless comP? |
| 20:30.08 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:30.11 | coby | ohhh |
| 20:30.16 | coby | well well |
| 20:30.34 | coby | must i be running a server to test the bot's ability to connect? |
| 20:30.44 | ruskie | would be a good idea... |
| 20:31.02 | coby | ok |
| 20:31.11 | coby | I might be back.. |
| 20:31.14 | coby | :P |
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| 20:58.28 | *** part/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 21:03.17 | Inzkeeper | has anyone had problems starting bzflag: X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 21:03.43 | Inzkeeper | Works fine if I start in window first, then switch to full screen |
| 21:11.14 | orchid | Inzkeeper: havent seen that error before sry |
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| 21:15.50 | lan56 | http://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/ <- neat, bungie put out the full versions of all the marathons for download :)))) |
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| 21:48.06 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
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| 21:50.00 | SportChick | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 21:50.13 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #brlcad #bzflag. Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 4h 31m |
| 21:50.13 | cristi | hi |
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| 21:55.36 | brlcad | hi cristi |
| 21:55.44 | cristi | hi brlcad |
| 21:55.56 | cristi | from where you know me ? |
| 21:56.20 | brlcad | I don't believe I do |
| 21:56.34 | EvilGrin | how do I change the number of good/bad flags with slash commands? |
| 21:56.44 | brlcad | EvilGrin: you can't |
| 21:57.02 | brlcad | er, well you can indirectly |
| 21:57.08 | brlcad | you can edit the config and try a /reload |
| 21:57.29 | menotume | nhi cristi |
| 21:57.42 | menotume | long time no see |
| 21:57.43 | brlcad | but I "think" flags are static on server startup |
| 21:57.59 | cristi | anyone know how to make a server |
| 21:58.00 | cristi | ? |
| 21:58.11 | cristi | hmm... |
| 21:58.19 | menotume | start with a power supply, and a metal box |
| 21:58.20 | cristi | after 2 min i must go |
| 21:58.29 | menotume | is not a 2 minute job |
| 21:59.19 | EvilGrin | That didn't appear to work |
| 21:59.29 | EvilGrin | whats some good numbers for good/bad/super flags |
| 22:00.07 | EvilGrin | anyone? |
| 22:00.26 | cristi | I must go now! |
| 22:00.28 | cristi | cya all |
| 22:01.10 | menotume | EvilGrin: All depends on the map - experiment |
| 22:01.20 | menotume | perhpas start with 20 |
| 22:01.26 | EvilGrin | menotume, of each? |
| 22:01.40 | menotume | 20 good, 5 bad maybe |
| 22:03.16 | EvilGrin | ok |
| 22:03.19 | EvilGrin | I'll try that |
| 22:04.03 | menotume | purple_cow: roger being good ? |
| 22:06.01 | purple_cow | menotume: huh? |
| 22:06.16 | menotume | was wonder which brlcad post you were referring to |
| 22:06.26 | purple_cow | wrt "calm down" |
| 22:06.47 | EvilGrin | menotume, that doesn't seem to of helped |
| 22:07.03 | EvilGrin | I've still got many more bad flags than good ones |
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| 22:09.38 | menotume | EvilGrin: what are the config parameters ? |
| 22:10.32 | EvilGrin | which ones do you want? |
| 22:10.40 | EvilGrin | or I could dcc you my config? |
| 22:10.43 | menotume | +f ? |
| 22:10.54 | menotume | dcc isn't working here |
| 22:11.02 | menotume | PM it |
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| 22:49.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 22:51.59 | sgk284 | ping Nidhoggr |
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| 22:54.21 | MeBigFatGuy | if i close my eyes, and concentrate real hard, i can almost believe supertanker is only 13 |
| 22:54.28 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:54.37 | sgk284 | SportChick, ping |
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| 23:06.38 | Grumbler | ~brlcad++ ...........how the heck did you track that down? |
| 23:07.33 | shorty114 | haha |
| 23:07.43 | shorty114 | i just read the BIYA sig thread on BB |
| 23:07.52 | shorty114 | and leanred what it stands for >D |
| 23:07.55 | SportChick | sgk284: pong |
| 23:08.12 | shorty114 | hmm |
| 23:08.19 | shorty114 | `ls`: ping |
| 23:08.42 | shorty114 | who else other than TimRiker are admins on the forums? |
| 23:11.16 | shorty114 | cuz there's a typo in the "2.0 Registration Help" forum description :)] |
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| 23:11.32 | shorty114 | Problems with 2.0 registration, come on in/ |
| 23:12.59 | hw- | shorty114: post a new topic saying that in that forum ? |
| 23:13.12 | shorty114 | hw-: i don't have a BZBB account |
| 23:13.34 | hw- | shorty114: dont let it bother u then |
| 23:13.46 | DTRemenak | shorty114, there, happy now? |
| 23:15.21 | shorty114 | DTRemenak: yeah :) |
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| 23:32.36 | `ls` | shorty114: sup? |
| 23:36.23 | shorty114 | `ls`: nvm now |
| 23:36.30 | shorty114 | DTRemenak took care of it |
| 23:42.13 | `ls` | k |
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