| 00:00.03 | Noodle-sensei | i can get her to say my name too |
| 00:00.08 | Noodle-sensei | guu weather 97701 |
| 00:00.10 | guu | Noodle-sensei: The current temperature in Bend, Oregon is 31°F (3:45 PM PST on January 28, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 31°F. UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 00:00.21 | Noodle-sensei | oh my gosh |
| 00:00.27 | Noodle-sensei | she lubs me too ;-; |
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| 00:08.33 | Noodle-sensei | guu: i love you too! |
| 00:08.34 | guu | Noodle-sensei: Tai-kong suo-yo duh shing-chiouh doh sai-jin wuh duh pee-go |
| 00:18.26 | JeffM2501 | oooo that's not a nice thing she said to you |
| 00:20.18 | JeffM2501 | not nice at all |
| 00:22.27 | shorty114 | lol |
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| 00:24.29 | shorty114 | hello lan56 and doughecka1 |
| 00:24.43 | JeffM2501 | *sniker* |
| 00:25.04 | shorty114 | heh |
| 00:25.12 | shorty114 | !weather 98020 |
| 00:25.20 | guu | shorty114: The current temperature in Edmonds, Washington is 55°F (3:53 PM PST on January 28, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 39°F. Wind: ESE at 5 mph (7 km/h). Pressure: 29.81 in (1009 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
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| 00:26.43 | shorty114 | ah ha ha ha http://www.shorty114.net/start/?do=google |
| 00:27.13 | JeffM2501 | why is a form funny? |
| 00:29.51 | amathis | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 00:30.29 | shorty114 | i dunno :| |
| 00:32.33 | JeffM2501 | but you laughed |
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| 00:45.41 | shorty114 | i don't remember... |
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| 00:51.47 | shorty114 | wb, amathis |
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| 00:59.07 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 01:00.26 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 01:01.03 | Nidhoggr | won't be around much tonight. have houseguests. |
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| 01:12.44 | shorty114 | wb, Noodle |
| 01:12.47 | shorty114 | wb, Noodleman |
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| 01:17.50 | shorty114 | wb, scanline |
| 01:18.26 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, what are you doing? |
| 01:19.25 | amathis | JeffM2501, he is our welcoming committee |
| 01:19.32 | JeffM2501 | why |
| 01:19.35 | amathis | :) |
| 01:19.43 | amathis | Anyone in here good with Flash MX? |
| 01:19.50 | shorty114 | i've used it before |
| 01:19.53 | shorty114 | and i have it |
| 01:20.04 | JeffM2501 | wow you spent 500$ on it |
| 01:20.06 | amathis | I said *good |
| 01:20.06 | JeffM2501 | impresive |
| 01:20.19 | shorty114 | actually, i bought the whole studio mx |
| 01:20.33 | JeffM2501 | how much that set you back? |
| 01:20.39 | shorty114 | not much |
| 01:20.44 | shorty114 | amathis: what do you want done? |
| 01:20.57 | amathis | shorty114, you assume I want something done |
| 01:21.10 | amathis | I actually just had a question. |
| 01:21.26 | JeffM2501 | you know what assume is.. makes an ass out of u and me |
| 01:21.45 | shorty114 | o.o |
| 01:22.00 | JeffM2501 | studio MX runs like 400$ at the cheapest |
| 01:22.06 | shorty114 | i spent 700 |
| 01:22.19 | shorty114 | i got it around when it first came out |
| 01:22.22 | JeffM2501 | you must be pulling in the mad billz |
| 01:22.46 | amathis | billz == allowance? |
| 01:22.57 | shorty114 | yup. |
| 01:23.02 | shorty114 | saved up for a while. |
| 01:23.14 | JeffM2501 | what do you use it for? |
| 01:23.37 | shorty114 | things i wanna get...like studio mx |
| 01:23.49 | shorty114 | although i don't use flash much |
| 01:24.02 | shorty114 | actually, i use dreamweaver the least |
| 01:24.07 | JeffM2501 | no I mean what do you use studio for |
| 01:24.09 | JeffM2501 | not your allowance |
| 01:24.11 | amathis | shorty114, then why would you assume I would want you to make me something? |
| 01:24.21 | shorty114 | oh i use it for web dev |
| 01:24.27 | shorty114 | i like fireworks - more web centered |
| 01:24.41 | shorty114 | if i want a photo done, i use my school's PS CS |
| 01:24.46 | JeffM2501 | ahh yes the toy version of PS |
| 01:25.05 | JeffM2501 | CS? |
| 01:25.09 | JeffM2501 | I use CS all the time |
| 01:25.16 | shorty114 | ah |
| 01:25.18 | JeffM2501 | fireworks is the toy version :) |
| 01:25.22 | shorty114 | ah :) |
| 01:25.30 | shorty114 | it's way cheaper IIRC |
| 01:25.38 | JeffM2501 | you get what you pay for |
| 01:25.40 | shorty114 | but all around, PS is way better. |
| 01:25.53 | amathis | shorty114, gimp 2.4 is cheaper, and way better then fireworks. |
| 01:26.05 | shorty114 | amathis: i couldn't get GIMP to run w/o X11/10.3 panther |
| 01:26.15 | shorty114 | otherwise, i would have gone gimp... |
| 01:26.21 | amathis | .. sounds like a personal problem. |
| 01:26.25 | shorty114 | :) |
| 01:26.35 | shorty114 | i tried to get XFree86 working, but got nowhere. |
| 01:26.49 | shorty114 | actually, i got it to start up, but from there i was mystified :) |
| 01:27.06 | JeffM2501 | wern't you all yellow dog on your 'tosh? |
| 01:27.14 | shorty114 | huh? |
| 01:27.23 | shorty114 | i've never used/dled yellow dog... |
| 01:27.46 | shorty114 | although i've been told that it's a good mac linux |
| 01:28.55 | JeffM2501 | wern't you saying how there were PPC drivers for ATI cards under linux a while aog? |
| 01:29.15 | shorty114 | is there? |
| 01:29.20 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:29.28 | shorty114 | so i guess i'll stick w/ osx. |
| 01:29.33 | JeffM2501 | I recall a convo between you and a_monkey about it. |
| 01:29.40 | shorty114 | ah yes |
| 01:30.04 | shorty114 | wow the ydl site yellowdoglinux.com makes it seem like another RedHat |
| 01:30.17 | JeffM2501 | it's related to redhat |
| 01:30.34 | shorty114 | and just as commercialized... |
| 01:30.55 | amathis | shorty114, are you complaining about the commercialization? |
| 01:31.32 | JeffM2501 | all they do is offer CDs |
| 01:31.32 | shorty114 | amathis: i just rather use something like ubuntu or gentoo |
| 01:31.44 | amathis | that wasn't the question |
| 01:31.51 | JeffM2501 | actualy if they make money that means they can pay for devs and support |
| 01:31.55 | JeffM2501 | and I say more power to em |
| 01:32.09 | JeffM2501 | I guess "comercial" just means "prety" in his head |
| 01:33.21 | JeffM2501 | gentoo sells servers |
| 01:33.27 | JeffM2501 | sounds prety comercial |
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| 01:46.22 | shorty114 | hello lan56 |
| 01:46.42 | lan56 | hey shorty114 |
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| 01:52.10 | lan56 | smidge204 is really trying his hardest to take away from the fun of that $9000 bzflag chair topic, nearly as if he -intends- to ruin the fun |
| 01:54.41 | JeffM2501 | smidge204 who? |
| 01:56.13 | lan56 | on bzbb |
| 01:56.41 | JeffM2501 | who? |
| 01:57.36 | lan56 | hmm, the posts have been deleted |
| 01:57.43 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 01:57.54 | JeffM2501 | maybe you just remember wrong |
| 01:58.19 | lan56 | nope, jsut a few mins ago smidge204 had two posts on that $9000 chair topic (http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2800) |
| 01:58.27 | lan56 | but they are gone now, so forget it |
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| 03:04.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/BUGS: (log message trimmed) |
| 03:04.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: "in bzfs.cxx, "player.setLastMsg(msg)", the last line in "bool checkSpam()", fails to |
| 03:04.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: set the last message by that player as "msg" given in the arguments. It sets the time |
| 03:04.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: for that msg, but doesn't set the actual message. Variable "lastMsgSent" in PlayerInfo.h/.cxx |
| 03:04.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: is what stores the last sent message by the player, but is not assigned the newly sent msg |
| 03:04.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: for some reason, therefore it never has a value and in the end, keeps spam checks from working. |
| 03:04.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: The time variable, "lastMsgTime" in PlayerInfo.cxx/.h is correctly assigned the sent time, |
| 03:05.45 | JeffM2501 | because "fixed spam filter" wasn't enough |
| 03:06.14 | lan56 | the commandl ine option? |
| 03:06.30 | trepan | as a commit comment? |
| 03:07.30 | JeffM2501 | commit messageas are NOT documentation |
| 03:07.35 | JeffM2501 | that looks more like a code comment |
| 03:08.03 | lan56 | I apologize then |
| 03:14.29 | orchid | the rejoin check, what is it 5 secs, you can get around this with a nick change quite easily |
| 03:14.39 | trepan | yup |
| 03:14.53 | orchid | sign on as foo, rejoin as fooo |
| 03:15.40 | trepan | yup |
| 03:15.40 | orchid | :) |
| 03:15.40 | bryjen | so it's just and annoyance to counter annoying behavior |
| 03:15.40 | bryjen | counter-annoyance |
| 03:15.40 | trepan | -requireidentify makes it a little harder (2 accounts minimum) |
| 03:16.15 | trepan | it was originally by IP, but firewalled/NAT'ed folks didn't like it |
| 03:16.42 | trepan | whatcha gonna do? ;) |
| 03:17.02 | JeffM2501 | BAN EM' |
| 03:17.10 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 03:17.12 | JeffM2501 | old habbit |
| 03:17.45 | trepan | that would seem the hard way to go |
| 03:18.17 | |TimRiker | orchidd would be easier |
| 03:18.29 | orchid | yep |
| 03:19.31 | bryjen | a flower daemon |
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| 03:20.10 | orchid | "like lupind but better" |
| 03:23.26 | bryjen | evenin' MeBigFatGuy |
| 03:23.32 | MeBigFatGuy | lo |
| 03:24.52 | orchid | so man gets() says never use gets() use fgets, and the GNU fgets says never use fgets its obsolete, use getline.. |
| 03:25.36 | trepan | orchid: getline is GNU specific |
| 03:26.05 | trepan | i'd stick with fgets() |
| 03:26.10 | orchid | ahh, so it would only compile on linux? |
| 03:26.16 | orchid | ok |
| 03:26.44 | trepan | s/linux/gcc |
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| 03:30.11 | bryjen | ~bryjen4 |
| 03:30.21 | bryjen | ooo, victims! |
| 03:33.30 | JeffM2501 | guu dict tileable |
| 03:33.33 | guu | JeffM2501: No definition for 'tileable' could be found. |
| 03:33.38 | JeffM2501 | guu dict tile-able |
| 03:33.39 | guu | JeffM2501: No definition for 'tile-able' could be found. |
| 03:33.44 | JeffM2501 | ibot spell tileable |
| 03:33.45 | ibot | possible spellings for tileable: tillable tile able tile-able tolerable tailorable billable fillable killable liable tenable triable tolerably table gelable pliable tunable violable relabel timetable treble delegable deletable reliable turnable bailable mailable disable salable tamable |
| 03:33.59 | JeffM2501 | ibot dict tile-able |
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| 04:24.06 | sgk284 | lan56, think you get an award for longest commit meesage ever |
| 04:24.08 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 04:28.24 | MeBigFatGuy | dang it, i seemed to be only getting dialup speed in bzflag now |
| 04:29.29 | retro | sgk284, are you still there? |
| 04:29.55 | lan56 | sgk284: :) maybe |
| 04:37.15 | sgk284 | retro: yep |
| 04:37.23 | sgk284 | ~lan56++ |
| 04:37.28 | sgk284 | ~karma lan56 |
| 04:37.28 | ibot | lan56 has karma of 20 |
| 04:37.30 | retro | gah, hang on 1 min. ebay snipe coming up. |
| 04:37.35 | sgk284 | lol |
| 04:37.40 | lan56 | jeez, last time I checked I had 5 |
| 04:39.54 | retro | OK, all better. I won. :) |
| 04:40.23 | retro | I just had a quick question. Here at work, I can sorta run bzflag on my 'puter, but the video card is weak, so I run it in a 640x480 window. |
| 04:40.45 | retro | however, the sould seems to be delayed by about 5 seconds. Is this because my video card is lame, and the game is working hard, or something else? |
| 04:40.54 | retro | gah, sould->sound |
| 04:42.00 | retro | BTW, I'm on redhat 9.0, with a es1371 driver running my sound card |
| 04:42.50 | trepan | what SDL driver you using? alsa/oss/artsd/esd? |
| 04:43.13 | retro | You mean in the kernel? probably oss. I can check... |
| 04:43.32 | trepan | ex: what comes after the "Audio Driver:" startup line in the console? |
| 04:43.48 | retro | Oh, hold on. |
| 04:44.28 | retro | esd |
| 04:44.36 | retro | what's that mean? |
| 04:44.42 | sgk284 | retro, back |
| 04:45.13 | retro | cool. trepan is trying to help too. Read my last few msgs |
| 04:45.18 | sgk284 | go to audio options and set the driver to esd |
| 04:45.23 | sgk284 | iirc |
| 04:45.33 | retro | it already is set to esd. I get 5 secs delay. What causes that? |
| 04:45.40 | trepan | esd and arts will probably be slower |
| 04:45.54 | retro | what do esd and arts stand for anyway? |
| 04:45.57 | trepan | if you have alsa, use that, followed by oss |
| 04:46.01 | sgk284 | when it plays, does it keep coming in and out ? or is it just a 5 second delay? |
| 04:46.09 | trepan | enlightment sound daemon, and some other daemon |
| 04:46.10 | retro | pretty much just a delay |
| 04:46.13 | sgk284 | ~esd |
| 04:46.15 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. While some people think it's useless, they don't know much better. It fills its niche, and fills it fairly well. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connct to a local esound daemon. see esd-sd... Oh ... |
| 04:46.22 | sgk284 | ~artsd |
| 04:46.23 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, artsd is the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 04:46.49 | trepan | that can be useful for multiplexing sound channels if your kernel/hw doesn't support it |
| 04:47.30 | retro | OK, lemme try oss. I don't think I have alsa support for my card. It's an es1371. |
| 04:47.50 | trepan | retro: the oss option might use the "dsp" keyword, one sec |
| 04:48.46 | retro | yep, dsp works great. |
| 04:48.53 | retro | ~sgk284++ |
| 04:48.55 | retro | ~trepan++ |
| 04:49.58 | trepan | http://sdldoc.csn.ul.ie/sdlenvvars.php |
| 04:50.04 | trepan | ah, yup, it ws dsp :) |
| 04:51.19 | retro | thanks trepan and sgk284. I'll also look into getting alsa drivers for my system. It is the future, so I'm told. |
| 05:32.20 | bryjen | would whoever keeps unplugging my internet connection please stop? |
| 05:40.55 | retro | oops. sorry bryjen. :) |
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| 05:49.22 | sgk284 | if a hostban doesnt resolve, what does the server do by default? |
| 05:49.32 | sgk284 | stop them from joining or just let them join? |
| 05:49.59 | sgk284 | i mean is there any way someone could be hostbanned and then somehow stop a query from looking up their hostname? |
| 05:51.21 | sgk284 | bad time to ask questions |
| 05:51.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/BUGS: checkSpam() vs. antikick |
| 05:51.58 | retro | well,I think they could |
| 05:52.30 | sgk284 | retro, how? |
| 05:52.33 | retro | If they own their domain, then the could turn off there dns servers, and when the cached copies expire, no names will be returned |
| 05:53.42 | sgk284 | hrmm |
| 05:53.45 | sgk284 | okay |
| 05:53.59 | sgk284 | yea should have thought of that lol... its late |
| 05:54.22 | sgk284 | and riker just left, grrr |
| 05:54.26 | sgk284 | i had a question |
| 05:54.43 | sgk284 | oh wait tim riker piped is still here |
| 05:54.54 | sgk284 | |TimRiker, you awake? |
| 05:55.36 | sgk284 | if a client stops their hostname from being looked up, they could bypass a hostban, what should the server do if a hostname lookup fails? |
| 05:55.48 | sgk284 | just let it go? |
| 05:55.55 | |TimRiker | ban everyone. =) |
| 05:56.00 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:56.14 | retro | that sure seems like a good idea somedays... |
| 05:56.20 | |TimRiker | just let it go is all I can think of. |
| 05:56.25 | sgk284 | okay |
| 05:56.41 | |TimRiker | if you own your own rdns, then hostbans are ineffective. |
| 05:56.58 | |TimRiker | you can be from anywhere you like, just by updating dns. |
| 05:57.05 | sgk284 | well what i'm getting at (i'll make this quick so you can sleep) is... |
| 05:57.44 | sgk284 | is yesterday i committed code to allow antiban perm to actually let a client bypass server bans (before antiban was only useful if someone tried to ban you while you were playing) |
| 05:57.54 | sgk284 | it checks bans once on addPlayer() |
| 05:58.08 | sgk284 | if the hostname lookup takes too long ... it may cause a problem |
| 05:58.39 | sgk284 | in that if your hostbanned and you hostname isnt looked up by addPlayer() then you'll bypass the server ban |
| 05:58.46 | |TimRiker | sgk284: noted. will the server hang? if so, then that's a Bad Thing. |
| 05:58.53 | sgk284 | so should we throw the hostban stuff back in doStuffOnPlayer() ? |
| 05:58.58 | sgk284 | no the server doesnt hang |
| 05:59.35 | sgk284 | i took the hostban stuff out of doStuffOnPlayer() because it was checking each player for bans every single loop... wasnt taking up much cpu but just seemed like a bad design |
| 05:59.36 | |TimRiker | ideally we should start a hostname lookup on connect so we can use it later if anyone asks. ie: make it completely async. |
| 05:59.43 | sgk284 | moved all the ban stuff to addPlayer() |
| 05:59.54 | sgk284 | okay, so let it be for now? |
| 05:59.58 | |TimRiker | sure. |
| 06:00.04 | sgk284 | sounds good:) |
| 06:00.10 | |TimRiker | nite all |
| 06:00.12 | sgk284 | night |
| 06:00.25 | *** part/#bzflag retro (~ken@gateway-1237.mvista.com) |
| 06:01.59 | bryjen | it could submit the dns query on connect, check pending queries every so often, and stash the result somewhere in the player's info |
| 06:02.41 | `ls` | bryjen: yep. just needs to be sure the player is still around and discard them response if not. |
| 06:02.51 | bryjen | probly at the "stash" stage, check for bans too |
| 06:03.03 | `ls` | bryjen: that would be nice too. |
| 06:03.08 | sgk284 | well typically if someone is running their own dns server they have a static ip anyway so they can be banned by that:) |
| 06:03.19 | sgk284 | but yea bryjen thats a nice goal |
| 06:03.24 | sgk284 | lol good night |
| 06:04.09 | bryjen | sgk284: i wouldn't try too hard to make it air-tight. just hard enough to frustrate 90% of the lusers |
| 06:04.22 | sgk284 | bryjen, was thinking about adding all unresolved players to a queue... and just check those that havent been resolved yet |
| 06:04.30 | sgk284 | okay |
| 06:05.17 | sgk284 | hostbans are typically used against dynamic ips anyway... |
| 06:05.35 | bryjen | yeah, people in dhcp pools |
| 06:05.35 | sgk284 | so host lookups should be safe 99.9% of the time |
| 06:05.38 | sgk284 | yea |
| 06:06.55 | sgk284 | ~sgk284 |
| 06:06.56 | ibot | from memory, sgk284 is an admin at Secretplace. |
| 06:07.13 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:07.18 | sgk284 | ibot is so smart |
| 06:07.23 | sgk284 | ~ibot++ |
| 06:07.28 | sgk284 | ~karma ibot |
| 06:07.28 | ibot | ibot has karma of 9 |
| 06:08.34 | orchid | :) |
| 06:08.46 | orchid | ~karma guu |
| 06:08.46 | ibot | guu has karma of 8 |
| 06:08.46 | guu | Wish I knew. |
| 06:09.02 | orchid | ~guu++ |
| 06:09.36 | sgk284 | hey orchid |
| 06:09.48 | sgk284 | ~orchid++ |
| 06:14.24 | orchid | ~bzfsquery |
| 06:14.44 | sgk284 | ~bzfquery |
| 06:14.52 | sgk284 | ? |
| 06:15.01 | sgk284 | what server did you want? |
| 06:15.03 | sgk284 | ~bzflist |
| 06:15.07 | orchid | ahh |
| 06:15.12 | orchid | thats what I wanted |
| 06:15.32 | orchid | yay, 2.0 is leading |
| 06:15.49 | sgk284 | hehe yep |
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| 06:20.40 | DTRemenak | sgk284, don't forget to doc your ban changes in the changelog |
| 06:20.47 | sgk284 | its been done ;) |
| 06:20.52 | DTRemenak | really? |
| 06:20.57 | sgk284 | err i hope so |
| 06:21.06 | sgk284 | should be latest entry under 2.0.1 |
| 06:21.25 | sgk284 | * antiban perm actually counters a server ban now - Steve Krenzel |
| 06:21.30 | DTRemenak | oops, my bad...using the wrong cvs sandbox :) |
| 06:21.34 | sgk284 | vague but effective :) |
| 06:21.38 | sgk284 | oh okay lol |
| 06:22.18 | DTRemenak | but for future reference, the newest stuff goes on the top |
| 06:22.22 | sgk284 | yea i was in 1.10.8 code the other day... about 20 minutes later and 100 times repeating to myself "I thought this was changed" i realized what was up heh |
| 06:22.32 | sgk284 | oh it does... oops |
| 06:22.37 | sgk284 | would you like me to fix? |
| 06:22.42 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, heh |
| 06:22.42 | DTRemenak | no, it doesn't matter |
| 06:22.44 | DTRemenak | just convention |
| 06:22.59 | DTRemenak | there are some people who are known to stick stuff randomly in the middle, too :) |
| 06:23.01 | sgk284 | makes sense:) |
| 06:23.05 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:23.21 | sgk284 | the TODO has many random things... heh |
| 06:23.24 | sgk284 | world peace and what not |
| 06:23.50 | DTRemenak | world peace is definately a thing we ought to do |
| 06:23.57 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:24.00 | Pizbit | Heh "patches welcome" huh?:) |
| 06:24.02 | sgk284 | make tanks shoot out flowers |
| 06:24.03 | DTRemenak | but like so many other things on the TODO list, I'm not sure we'll ever get around to it :) |
| 06:24.11 | DTRemenak | Pizbit stole my next line... |
| 06:24.15 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 06:25.18 | orchid | !seen fiberchunks |
| 06:25.19 | guu | orchid: fiberchunks was last seen here 5 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 43 seconds ago saying: <fiberchunks> it is being worked on though, so have faith :) |
| 06:25.39 | sgk284 | was curious to see the 2.0 plot |
| 06:25.50 | sgk284 | but i may have made that whole conept up in my head... |
| 06:25.53 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:26.20 | DTRemenak | http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=3248 |
| 06:26.55 | sgk284 | wow |
| 06:27.03 | sgk284 | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 06:27.07 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:27.31 | DTRemenak | the stats have been broken this month though |
| 06:27.37 | DTRemenak | so we really can't see anything useful |
| 06:27.55 | DTRemenak | if you look at the monthly graph there's a big dip this month where there should be a big spike |
| 06:28.45 | DTRemenak | Project statistics data for 2005 that is omitted will not be processed until launch of the new statistics system. This data has been collected, but has not been processed for display. To ensure accuracy and reduce performance impact to users, these dates will be omitted until the new statistics system is launched. There is not currently a date set for the rollout of the new stats system. |
| 06:28.59 | Pizbit | heh |
| 06:29.05 | Pizbit | *5 years later* |
| 06:29.06 | DTRemenak | so we can't see the real effect of the 2.0 surge yet |
| 06:29.17 | DTRemenak | Pizbit, don't joke about that please... :) |
| 06:29.27 | Pizbit | DTRemenak: Sorry, I meant weeks:D |
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| 06:31.55 | DTRemenak | wb :) |
| 06:32.27 | sgk284 | trepan_away, ping |
| 06:33.04 | sgk284 | nevermind ignore that |
| 06:35.11 | sgk284 | SportChick, you around? |
| 06:38.14 | bryjen | the 2.0 downloads were also hosted elsewhere do to sf's maintenance/mirror issues. that'll skew the stats a bit |
| 06:38.35 | sgk284 | pretty soon we'll outnumber firefox! |
| 06:38.56 | bryjen | ~bryjen4 |
| 06:39.17 | *** part/#bzflag brlcad (~brlcad@brlcad.bronze.supporter.pdpc) |
| 06:39.28 | sgk284 | err btw hostname look ups are really really borked |
| 06:39.49 | sgk284 | didnt the lookup system change for 2.0? |
| 06:42.53 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:876a:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 06:43.18 | sgk284 | no i didnt mess with any of the lookup code, but i had to call it to properly handle hostbans |
| 06:43.31 | sgk284 | but accoring to lagstats about 5% of players are actually resolved |
| 06:43.39 | sgk284 | or i mean playerlist* |
| 06:44.19 | sgk284 | this was just brought to my attention by nid... its been like that since day 1 though, i thought the new playerlist format jsut didnt include hosts |
| 06:44.56 | purple_cow | wowie, 2x scary! |
| 06:44.59 | sgk284 | turns out its just very few resolve |
| 06:45.02 | sgk284 | yea |
| 06:45.05 | sgk284 | thats not good |
| 06:45.12 | purple_cow | `ls` and tuxscreen are both on the top list for today on cia |
| 06:45.19 | sgk284 | wow |
| 06:45.21 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 06:45.26 | Pizbit | Lol, 'ls' |
| 06:45.26 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 06:45.39 | orchid | !dict inputted |
| 06:45.40 | sgk284 | `ls`, congrats |
| 06:45.40 | guu | orchid: No definition for 'inputted' could be found. |
| 06:45.48 | sgk284 | inputted? |
| 06:45.52 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:45.56 | orchid | shh |
| 06:46.39 | sgk284 | is tuxscreen a gentoo guy? |
| 06:47.04 | sgk284 | nevermind |
| 06:47.22 | sgk284 | http://www.tuxscreen.net/ |
| 06:47.23 | SportChick | sgk284: I'm on sp |
| 06:47.29 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 06:47.55 | sgk284 | just wanted to confirm with you that /playerlist has not been listing hostnamed since 2.0 |
| 06:48.07 | sgk284 | i'll be right on to hunt you |
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| 06:57.43 | bryjen | bah. it keeps going all NR on me :( |
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| 07:23.56 | JeffM2501 | heh, looks like most of clan Riker has bzbb accounts now |
| 07:34.31 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah it's "fun" |
| 07:38.57 | purple_cow | hahahahaha |
| 07:39.00 | purple_cow | this is hilarious |
| 07:42.31 | bryjen | purple_cow is another one of them programmer-types who just don't "Get It" |
| 07:42.36 | bryjen | ;) |
| 07:42.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah we are all just evil |
| 07:43.11 | purple_cow | bryjen: guess so |
| 07:43.46 | purple_cow | i guess i shouldn't be surprised or disappointed at all that these kids have absolutely no concept of the amount of work an editor takes |
| 07:44.28 | bryjen | how could they? they don't know programming or modeling |
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| 07:45.14 | JeffM2501 | they don't teach it in high school |
| 07:46.19 | bryjen | pascal |
| 07:46.30 | JeffM2501 | yes but your special |
| 07:46.34 | *** join/#bzflag SilverFox (SilverFox@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com) |
| 07:46.47 | JeffM2501 | you don't have advanced degrees in math and computer science |
| 07:46.54 | JeffM2501 | so they could not have taought that your school |
| 07:47.33 | SilverFox | http://bzflag.hepcat.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=238 <-- I'm looking into this. Fluke? Cheat? Bug? Server problem? |
| 07:48.11 | JeffM2501 | bryjen: it's ok, nether do I :) |
| 07:49.01 | purple_cow | wtf, this is retarded |
| 07:49.09 | purple_cow | someone suggested a combined client/editor |
| 07:49.20 | JeffM2501 | couple people did |
| 07:49.29 | bryjen | SilverFox: there may already be a fix in for that. possibly, sorta |
| 07:49.32 | purple_cow | ``...you can highlight objects by clicking on them with the mouse and/or shooting them with your tank.'' |
| 07:49.50 | JeffM2501 | I liked the "tab thru them till you get the right one" |
| 07:49.58 | purple_cow | rofl |
| 07:50.08 | JeffM2501 | but scorch is going to get his dad to make an editor so it's all cool |
| 07:51.17 | bryjen | were you entertaining the idea of doing something bzedit-ish that deals it the primitives? |
| 07:51.34 | bryjen | s/it the/in the/ |
| 07:51.43 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 07:51.56 | bryjen | ah, that's a no then |
| 07:52.14 | JeffM2501 | well I looked into adding some more features |
| 07:52.20 | JeffM2501 | but the code is nasty |
| 07:52.24 | JeffM2501 | and it's win only |
| 07:52.31 | JeffM2501 | so made me go "mehh" on that line |
| 07:52.39 | JeffM2501 | then I looked into what it would take for cross plat |
| 07:52.53 | purple_cow | i love how they want a prim based editor with the capability for mesh editing |
| 07:52.53 | JeffM2501 | wrote up some docs on what features I'd do |
| 07:52.56 | purple_cow | that's too funny |
| 07:53.10 | JeffM2501 | I don't think they "get" the mesh thing yet |
| 07:53.24 | JeffM2501 | and I don't realy think bz is going to be that great with meshes yet |
| 07:53.34 | JeffM2501 | bryjen: I did start a new project called "cartographer" |
| 07:53.41 | JeffM2501 | that would map for more then one game. |
| 07:54.46 | purple_cow | oh wow |
| 07:54.50 | purple_cow | ``David Trowbridge released a windows port of a bug fixed "BzEdit". It corrected the "shootthrough"and I think base problems but it was a one time beta he never got back too and was dropped. '' |
| 07:55.12 | JeffM2501 | way to go david! |
| 07:55.28 | purple_cow | amazing! |
| 07:55.42 | JeffM2501 | so how did the MFC taste? |
| 07:55.48 | purple_cow | hmm, JeffM2501: even your history is a little fragmented |
| 07:55.52 | purple_cow | it went something like this: |
| 07:56.01 | JeffM2501 | I shortened it a bit |
| 07:56.11 | JeffM2501 | since they seemed to have trouble with compelxitys |
| 07:56.16 | JeffM2501 | youmade yours |
| 07:56.17 | purple_cow | 1. some random guy releases BZWORLD |
| 07:56.25 | purple_cow | 2. i couldn't get it to run, so i made mine |
| 07:56.33 | SilverFox | bryjen, so its a bug then? |
| 07:56.40 | purple_cow | 3. you email me saying you have a windows port, we collaborate a bit, then i lose interest |
| 07:56.43 | purple_cow | ... |
| 07:56.47 | JeffM2501 | well my 3 was |
| 07:56.58 | JeffM2501 | 3 I couln't get bzworld OR yours to run |
| 07:57.05 | JeffM2501 | 4. I make mine |
| 07:57.08 | JeffM2501 | 5. I mail |
| 07:57.18 | JeffM2501 | 6. I take a nap for 3 months. |
| 07:57.22 | JeffM2501 | 7> I found IRC |
| 07:57.30 | JeffM2501 | then hillarity ensued |
| 07:57.35 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 07:57.45 | bryjen | no one got purple_cow's to run |
| 07:58.00 | SilverFox | anyone need log info to help isolate this multiple player thing? |
| 07:58.12 | JeffM2501 | and now for some reason I own a mac |
| 07:58.12 | purple_cow | bryjen: actually, plenty of people did |
| 07:58.17 | JeffM2501 | look what it's all led to |
| 07:58.25 | JeffM2501 | if I make another bzedit who know's where I'll be |
| 07:58.29 | purple_cow | bryjen: the problem is that gtkglarea has been pretty spectacularly deprecated |
| 07:58.35 | purple_cow | and bitrot has made the rest of it hard to compile |
| 07:58.42 | bryjen | SilverFox: i think tupone fixed something in the server, it may have been causing that |
| 07:59.58 | purple_cow | bryjen: keep in mind that i haven't touched that code in about 4 years ;) |
| 08:00.16 | purple_cow | the linux desktop has come a *long* way since |
| 08:00.22 | SilverFox | bryjen, interesting. I can't find anything in the logfiles. I think I'll let it run so I can see it before going to newest CVS. |
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| 08:00.37 | SilverFox | (when you said server, you mean bzfs, right? No list server?) |
| 08:00.39 | bryjen | yeah. by the time I got to it, it was already decaying |
| 08:02.18 | bryjen | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx?rev=2.16&sortby=date&view=log "Avoid sending AddPlayer..." |
| 08:08.17 | sgk284 | i dont get why people are complaining about using text editors for maps? |
| 08:08.23 | sgk284 | am i missing something? |
| 08:08.51 | sgk284 | its simpler then most markup languages for godsake :) |
| 08:09.32 | JeffM2501 | they want the point and the lick |
| 08:09.44 | bryjen | or drool |
| 08:09.58 | sgk284 | lol |
| 08:10.10 | purple_cow | it's only the mac people who get licking |
| 08:10.15 | sgk284 | throw in some voice recognition too... touching the key board is apparently too much |
| 08:11.13 | purple_cow | sgk284: been there, done that |
| 08:11.14 | sgk284 | so we can use more buzzwords in releases |
| 08:11.14 | bryjen | purple_cow: no offense intended by the above. it was just a running joke that only you, in one pefect moment, were able to make it work ;) |
| 08:11.17 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 08:11.49 | purple_cow | bryjen: i won't disagree that at the moment i'm the only one capable of getting it to run ;) |
| 08:12.05 | SilverFox | sgk284, I want to see what my text makes. |
| 08:13.38 | sgk284 | SilverFox, was thinking about making a little utility called "bzwview" and just pass it a map and it will render it... i made a little class for parsing... jsut need to throw an opengl back to it |
| 08:13.53 | sgk284 | would make text editing easier imho |
| 08:14.11 | sgk284 | we'll see how it goes :) |
| 08:14.29 | JeffM2501 | could do it with just commands to bzflag and bzfs too |
| 08:14.34 | SilverFox | sgk284, that would be perfect! |
| 08:14.38 | sgk284 | or maybe an option should just be added to bzflag like "-mapview" |
| 08:14.43 | sgk284 | and pass it a map |
| 08:15.15 | JeffM2501 | make a batfile that runs bzfs with the map, and runs bzflag with the local server as default, and it should autojoin IIRC |
| 08:15.18 | SilverFox | my biggest grief is the 1.10 bzfs for windows didn't parse all portions of the map file correctly, so I had to upload to the server, start another bzfs instance for testing, then start client, and check it out. |
| 08:15.27 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't have a text based map parser |
| 08:15.44 | sgk284 | oh thats right... |
| 08:15.46 | sgk284 | grrr |
| 08:15.55 | JeffM2501 | so just make something that starts both |
| 08:15.56 | sgk284 | yea a bat script would be easy enough to make |
| 08:15.58 | JeffM2501 | it would be simple |
| 08:16.06 | sgk284 | just have to make sure the users know to /shutdownserver |
| 08:16.08 | JeffM2501 | bzflag will take a server and port |
| 08:16.14 | JeffM2501 | make the batfile set that option |
| 08:16.20 | JeffM2501 | when it runs bzfs |
| 08:16.33 | sgk284 | and i doubt they'd want to hav to type /password, so it looks like an option to make localhost connections admin by default would be nice |
| 08:16.37 | bryjen | sgk284: -g = serve one game and exit |
| 08:16.38 | sgk284 | was thinking about it before |
| 08:16.44 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 08:16.46 | sgk284 | cool |
| 08:16.49 | JeffM2501 | why would you have to type /password? |
| 08:16.54 | bryjen | its already a bzfs option |
| 08:16.55 | sgk284 | to shutdownserver |
| 08:16.55 | JeffM2501 | why would you ahve to login? |
| 08:17.03 | sgk284 | but bryjen corrected me |
| 08:17.04 | JeffM2501 | no there is a CLI option |
| 08:17.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 08:17.08 | sgk284 | yea |
| 08:17.19 | sgk284 | ~fishslap sgk284 |
| 08:17.21 | ibot | ACTION slaps sgk284 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 08:17.21 | JeffM2501 | the game does it allready when it starts a local server |
| 08:17.22 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 08:17.34 | SilverFox | I was suggesting a mapmaker based on the bz client that would have a text box that you can put in text, and it would change on screen as you go. use obs controls to look around. |
| 08:17.51 | JeffM2501 | SilverFox: that would be very clunky |
| 08:18.00 | SilverFox | how so? |
| 08:18.03 | sgk284 | SilverFox, the way the code is right now... itd still involve a ton of work |
| 08:18.06 | sgk284 | patches welcome:) |
| 08:18.09 | SilverFox | I see. |
| 08:18.21 | JeffM2501 | moving back and forth between areas would be laborus |
| 08:18.22 | SilverFox | I'm working on something else. ;0 |
| 08:18.27 | JeffM2501 | as you'd be driving around like a tank. |
| 08:18.29 | sgk284 | well not a ton, but yea even if it was done, itd be a pain to use |
| 08:18.34 | JeffM2501 | an application interface is best |
| 08:18.41 | SilverFox | JeffM2501, true. That's what we do now when checking out maps using bzfs. |
| 08:18.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's to check out, |
| 08:18.51 | JeffM2501 | not to edit |
| 08:18.59 | JeffM2501 | you'd be constantly going back and forth making small edits |
| 08:19.08 | JeffM2501 | but hey, maybe it'd work |
| 08:19.11 | sgk284 | kpovray on *nix is a nice example of a very simple 3d model builing program, a similar interface could be used for mapmaking |
| 08:19.12 | JeffM2501 | I've seen in game editors |
| 08:19.16 | JeffM2501 | they never work |
| 08:19.19 | SilverFox | that's all I want to do. The editing part happens in a text editor on the HUD. |
| 08:19.33 | JeffM2501 | SilverFox: it seems the kids hate text |
| 08:19.56 | SilverFox | so let them write a mspaint to bzw converter. |
| 08:20.01 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 08:20.14 | JeffM2501 | the image to bzflag map converters are the lamest things ever |
| 08:20.37 | sgk284 | lol i'd have to see that |
| 08:20.38 | bryjen | if it's not the 'rithmatic, it's the readin' an' writin' |
| 08:20.44 | SilverFox | I like text, but I'm afraid it won't last with all the cool things that can go in maps. Figure some sort of blender editor will rule eventually. |
| 08:20.57 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, are they just heightmaps? or what... never saw one |
| 08:21.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah they are |
| 08:21.04 | SilverFox | JeffM2501, hey now. I have an image from one of those on pillbox. |
| 08:21.06 | JeffM2501 | the may totaly unplayable maps |
| 08:21.13 | sgk284 | lol i could only imagine |
| 08:21.17 | JeffM2501 | they are usefull for gymicy stuff |
| 08:21.29 | JeffM2501 | SilverFox: if it's a small part then sure it's just a fluf thing |
| 08:21.35 | JeffM2501 | but using an image to make an entire maps |
| 08:21.38 | JeffM2501 | that's just stupid |
| 08:21.41 | JeffM2501 | it's a 3d game |
| 08:21.47 | JeffM2501 | not a 2d thing |
| 08:21.49 | SilverFox | right. mine is just fluff. |
| 08:22.35 | SilverFox | it'd be cool to have the hardware and software to take a 360 degree picture of something and put it into bz. I'd make maps from clay. |
| 08:22.55 | SilverFox | it'd be hard to have suspended platforms though... |
| 08:23.02 | sgk284 | heh |
| 08:23.21 | JeffM2501 | modeling in real modelers is not hard |
| 08:23.32 | SilverFox | that's ok. I can learn levitation easier than C++ (to build an editor) me thinks. |
| 08:23.34 | JeffM2501 | the "comunity" just needs to get over it's simple object orignis :) |
| 08:23.46 | SilverFox | fair enough. |
| 08:23.50 | JeffM2501 | it'd be cake to make a quake to bzw converter too |
| 08:24.06 | SilverFox | I'm pretty much over it. Just found it an interesting converstation is all. |
| 08:24.35 | SilverFox | JeffM2501, maybe that's the way to go. make a converter so kiddies can rip off other games. |
| 08:24.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah the older people seem to get over it faster :) |
| 08:24.53 | JeffM2501 | SilverFox: we have an obj converter now, it'll pull from most eidtors |
| 08:24.57 | JeffM2501 | noone uses it |
| 08:25.15 | SilverFox | where? is there any sort of docs on it? |
| 08:25.21 | sgk284 | lol "I agree with Gerbil's perspective. I can program just fine. Doesn't mean I should have to learn something incredibly complex to take advantage of a few features. " |
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| 08:25.40 | sgk284 | didnt realize how meshes scare some people... |
| 08:25.41 | SilverFox | bz kind of relies on the simplicity of maps though. I don't think it's a good idea to make super detailed/complicated maps. |
| 08:26.02 | sgk284 | silverfox, it part of the evolution of bzflag:) |
| 08:26.10 | JeffM2501 | well no the PLAYERS rely on the simplicty |
| 08:26.15 | JeffM2501 | since bzflag is just players |
| 08:26.16 | sgk284 | the capabilities are there... not being forced to use them |
| 08:26.22 | SilverFox | sgk284, mesh's scare me. Most things I'm ignorant about scare me. I'll check out someone's map (text) some day... |
| 08:26.34 | JeffM2501 | SilverFox: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2698 |
| 08:26.40 | JeffM2501 | the first post in the general maping forum |
| 08:26.44 | JeffM2501 | that everyone forgets to read |
| 08:26.49 | SilverFox | cool. |
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| 08:27.06 | JeffM2501 | I guess "sticky" is translated to "skip" |
| 08:27.29 | SilverFox | I think bz does rely on simplicity. You're right most players want something a little more simple because bz is fun for its playability, not as much the eye candy. But its more. |
| 08:27.39 | SC | how do you run a ghost command when globally identified? |
| 08:27.43 | JeffM2501 | bzflag has no logic, or real gameplay |
| 08:27.50 | JeffM2501 | so "it" can't rely on anyting |
| 08:27.52 | SilverFox | I think it relies on it because the way the game is played. Tanks don't climb hills, or climb over rocks... |
| 08:27.54 | JeffM2501 | it's all just the people |
| 08:28.00 | bryjen | SC, i'm not sure you can |
| 08:28.18 | JeffM2501 | SC you don't |
| 08:28.31 | SilverFox | they go on flat surfaces, so the map needs to have a lot of flat surface to be playable. |
| 08:28.32 | SC | well, that sucks - was on a server - got disconnected, but it still showed me as on and I oculdn't rejoin |
| 08:28.45 | JeffM2501 | SC yup, ghosting is local |
| 08:29.14 | SilverFox | JeffM2501, would it be possible to have a webpage where you enter your name and password and it ghosts you? |
| 08:29.19 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 08:29.21 | SilverFox | or maybe it's just easier to wait for it to time out. |
| 08:29.31 | JeffM2501 | how could a web page talk to a game server |
| 08:29.31 | bryjen | do you have the /password? if so, you can use any name you wish to sign on, /password and /kick your ghost self |
| 08:29.46 | SC | bryjen: not on that server |
| 08:29.48 | JeffM2501 | the global login system just down't work with ghost |
| 08:29.57 | SC | if it's one where I am admin I'd be okay, but otherwise no |
| 08:30.10 | JeffM2501 | since it has to be a local verify ( checking a username and password), and the server dosn't know any usernames...... |
| 08:30.26 | JeffM2501 | auth in global is all up to the client and list server |
| 08:30.41 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, throw in an embedded http server in the server ;) |
| 08:30.45 | bryjen | and the global system is set up so the passwords never pass thru the server |
| 08:30.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 08:30.59 | JeffM2501 | so the server can't do the auth to ghost |
| 08:31.11 | JeffM2501 | the server would have to be able to tell the cleint to get a temp token |
| 08:31.15 | JeffM2501 | pass that token to the server |
| 08:31.26 | DTRemenak | SC: the server will likely kick you shortly anyway, since it's not getting any activity. |
| 08:31.35 | JeffM2501 | the server woudl then verify that temp token for the to be ghosted username/password and then do the kick |
| 08:31.44 | JeffM2501 | it would be a pita |
| 08:32.10 | bryjen | not really, just more code someone would have to do |
| 08:32.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 08:32.22 | DTRemenak | could have it autoghost...if a second player tries to join with the same nick and a valid token, kick the first one. |
| 08:32.27 | SilverFox | JeffM2501, thats what I was thinking, it'd auth with the list server, and have a hook that'd tell the server that the token was expired, and the server would dump it (server option to disconnect players w/expired tokens) |
| 08:32.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah that would work as well |
| 08:32.46 | JeffM2501 | SilverFox: how do you know it expired? |
| 08:32.48 | SilverFox | DTRemenak, that's a better idea. |
| 08:32.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah that is the only thing that would work |
| 08:33.14 | DTRemenak | I think the token checking is done a little later, but stuff could probably be made to work |
| 08:33.16 | SilverFox | JeffM2501, because the list server recieved a notice that someone wanted to ghost it (from the web page) |
| 08:33.22 | bryjen | the simplest at least. and simple is good. |
| 08:33.37 | JeffM2501 | bit cludgy SilverFox, the auto is better |
| 08:33.55 | SilverFox | ~spell kludgey |
| 08:33.56 | ibot | 'kludgey' may be spelled correctly |
| 08:34.02 | SilverFox | ;P |
| 08:34.16 | SilverFox | i think I had that on a spelling test in elementary once. |
| 08:34.26 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:36.45 | SilverFox | So, I keep seeing this in the log files: |
| 08:36.46 | SilverFox | might have tried to |
| 08:36.46 | SilverFox | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.06 | SilverFox | player ____ might have tried to capture ... |
| 08:37.19 | SilverFox | Is this caused by lag? |
| 08:37.30 | DTRemenak | it's an over-aggressive check |
| 08:37.44 | DTRemenak | that's why it says "might have" |
| 08:37.49 | DTRemenak | it gives the player's position |
| 08:37.58 | SilverFox | yep. |
| 08:38.04 | DTRemenak | if you look at the map you can compare it to the base's position and see how far off they are |
| 08:38.18 | SilverFox | its in the right quadrant. good enough for me. |
| 08:38.30 | SilverFox | was just wondering why. |
| 08:38.36 | DTRemenak | I've found that it'll get triggered on about a third of legit captures |
| 08:38.54 | DTRemenak | sometimes two or three times in a row for a single capture |
| 08:39.31 | DTRemenak | I've started just ignoring them, all I've seen are false positives |
| 08:39.55 | SilverFox | wow. I wonder if that "extra work" that bzfs does checking that makes any difference... |
| 08:40.07 | SilverFox | not enough to notice I'd imagine. |
| 08:40.18 | DTRemenak | it's a cheap check |
| 08:41.40 | DTRemenak | if it gets triggered, it ignores the capture, and the client will try again |
| 08:42.14 | DTRemenak | hopefully by that time the server's opinion of the player's position will be on the base and the capture will succeed |
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| 08:42.23 | bz3378 | hey fellas |
| 08:42.46 | bz3378 | any of the bzflag.secretplace.us admins here?? |
| 08:44.27 | DTRemenak | bz3378, there are two of them on secretplace (2.0) |
| 08:45.49 | bz3378 | you mean #secretplace? |
| 08:46.29 | DTRemenak | no...bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 08:46.31 | bz3378 | sorry i mean the creators of the maps |
| 08:46.43 | DTRemenak | the what? |
| 08:47.03 | bz3378 | i've talked to the admins, but they just say they don't take care of the map |
| 08:47.11 | bz3378 | the map played on bzflag... |
| 08:47.54 | DTRemenak | They'd know better than I would |
| 08:49.01 | bz3378 | i'm just interested as to why they havnt implmented the new physics into the map |
| 08:49.07 | jpa_ | morning |
| 08:49.45 | jpa_ | bz3378: probably because: |
| 08:49.53 | jpa_ | a) it does not fit for every map |
| 08:49.56 | bz3378 | i.e the way you can direction the balls vertically while jumping or falling |
| 08:50.13 | jpa_ | b) there is really badly documentation about it |
| 08:50.19 | jpa_ | oh, that is not physics |
| 08:50.26 | jpa_ | it is just /set variable |
| 08:50.37 | jpa_ | admins could set it, if they'd like |
| 08:50.48 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.03 | bz3378 | well one of the problems that many users on bzflag.secretplace.us is wings and how hard it is to combat them on the ground |
| 08:51.22 | bz3378 | i was thinking that if this was implmeneted it would balance it out a little |
| 08:51.32 | jpa_ | or not |
| 08:51.40 | jpa_ | it makes wings even more powerful |
| 08:52.13 | bz3378 | mmm... thats a good point, can it be disabled for wings flag ? |
| 08:52.17 | jpa_ | if someone just stands still for a moment, you can kill him from a lot higher |
| 08:52.22 | jpa_ | no |
| 08:52.28 | jpa_ | it is for all or nobody |
| 08:52.33 | bz3378 | ah ok |
| 08:52.35 | bz3378 | thx |
| 08:52.44 | jpa_ | wings can be just made less powerfull |
| 08:52.53 | jpa_ | ie. reducing _wingsJumpCount |
| 08:53.01 | bz3378 | true |
| 08:53.22 | jpa_ | or adding more gm.. they are quite good against wings |
| 08:54.31 | bz3378 | also very good against non-wings :) |
| 08:54.46 | bz3378 | would need to add more stealths i would think to balance too |
| 08:54.52 | jpa_ | well.. depends on the map :) |
| 08:55.12 | bz3378 | anyways, you gave me the answer i was looking for |
| 08:55.17 | bz3378 | later |
| 08:55.30 | jpa_ | yup |
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| 09:50.35 | SilverFox | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=28170#28170 <-- BZFlag gets the chair. That's hilarious! |
| 09:54.17 | jpa_ | :) |
| 10:19.24 | Crko | is there a variable to load a map? |
| 10:19.29 | Crko | during game |
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| 11:11.08 | LPMaN | hi |
| 11:24.38 | *** join/#bzflag cyraq (~cyraq@212.98.158.247) |
| 11:24.45 | cyraq | woo!!! |
| 11:24.49 | cyraq | bzflag 2 released!!!!! |
| 11:26.28 | cyraq | YYYYYEEEEHAWWWW |
| 11:26.35 | cyraq | damn! 10MB!! |
| 11:26.47 | Pizbit | Take only a minute or two:D |
| 11:26.51 | Pizbit | It's worth it. |
| 11:28.29 | cyraq | hehe im downloading |
| 11:28.46 | cyraq | but i have dialup, so its gonna take much more than "a minute or two" :D |
| 11:29.06 | cyraq | in fact, i have 37 minutes remaining |
| 11:29.31 | Pizbit | Ouch |
| 11:29.42 | Pizbit | Must be fairly good dialup to be able to play bzflag |
| 11:29.48 | *** join/#bzflag Daddo (~LD003@pool-151-197-110-239.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 11:30.42 | cyraq | well i dont play it online |
| 11:30.46 | cyraq | i play solo mode :) |
| 11:30.50 | Pizbit | o_O |
| 11:30.58 | Pizbit | Lans too? |
| 11:31.07 | cyraq | nono solo mode |
| 11:31.09 | cyraq | with bots |
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| 11:33.25 | t-s | sounds like you're missing the best part of BZFlag |
| 11:33.26 | cyraq | http://bzflag.org/wiki/SinglePlayerMode |
| 11:33.41 | cyraq | well i play it online in netcafes :D |
| 11:33.54 | cyraq | i take a windows copy with me on my pendrive |
| 11:33.55 | Pizbit | Net Cafes have bzflag? |
| 11:33.58 | Pizbit | Ah |
| 11:34.51 | cyraq | at a point i conviced a netcafe to install it |
| 11:34.56 | cyraq | after the owner saw me playing it |
| 11:35.10 | cyraq | we had a bzflag tournament a couple of months ago |
| 11:35.13 | cyraq | man, was it fun |
| 11:35.32 | cyraq | we were all trapped in this room, with 12 computers, and vzflag :D |
| 11:35.35 | cyraq | *bzflag |
| 11:35.40 | cyraq | we couldnt stop laughing |
| 11:35.46 | Pizbit | Heh |
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| 11:36.55 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (Tupone@adsl-84-222-139-176.tiscali.it) |
| 11:37.34 | cyraq | so does it need a blazing graphics card, this version? |
| 11:37.39 | Pizbit | Nah |
| 11:37.41 | cyraq | i heard 2.0 has far better graphics... |
| 11:37.53 | Pizbit | Just not something made over 10 years ago etc |
| 11:38.05 | cyraq | so 32 megs is enough for best graphs? |
| 11:38.07 | Pizbit | You can also disable many of the fancy graphics. |
| 11:38.34 | cyraq | i mean, what can i get with a 32MB graphic card? |
| 11:38.39 | cyraq | ATI mobility radeon |
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| 11:40.10 | tea|tree | hola |
| 11:40.44 | Pizbit | cyraq: *shrug* It's not that intensive:) |
| 11:42.31 | t-s | with ATI Radeon 7500 32MB and PPC750 800MHZ I got around 56 fps with BZFlag 1.10 and 20 fps with BZFlag 2.0 |
| 11:43.35 | cyraq | well i have a new iBook |
| 11:43.38 | cyraq | 1.07 ghz |
| 11:43.41 | cyraq | 512mb ram |
| 11:43.48 | cyraq | the vga mentionned above... |
| 11:44.01 | t-s | AltiVec should seriously help |
| 11:44.10 | cyraq | altivec? |
| 11:44.15 | cyraq | whats that |
| 11:45.13 | t-s | vector processing unit in newer PPC-CPU's, compare it to SSE2 (but SSE is way worse) |
| 11:45.57 | cyraq | well do the 2004 ibooks have it? |
| 11:47.06 | t-s | yes |
| 11:47.46 | t-s | at least when it's a new one with G4 |
| 11:48.18 | cyraq | well it is :D |
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| 12:05.12 | cyraq | bzflag download complete!! |
| 12:05.14 | cyraq | installing... |
| 12:05.23 | LPMaN | heh |
| 12:05.23 | LPMaN | :D |
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| 12:48.11 | bz8819 | ~bzfquery 210.238.162.245:5154 |
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| 12:51.21 | LarkSpur | ~bzfquery 210.238.162.245:5154 |
| 12:53.32 | LarkSpur | ~bzfquery 245.162.238.210:5154 |
| 12:54.15 | LarkSpur | ~bzfquery 210.141.108.194 |
| 12:54.28 | LarkSpur | ~bzfquery 210.141.108.194:5154 |
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| 13:05.37 | lkjgbaskl | ~bzfquery ZR155025.ppp.dion.ne.jp.:5154 |
| 13:06.06 | Pimpinella | t-z 20 fps with that configuration soundsreally low |
| 13:06.35 | Pimpinella | oh he's gone |
| 13:06.49 | lkjgbaskl | ~bzfquery ZR155025.ppp.dion.ne.jp:5154 |
| 13:08.03 | lkjgbaskl | ~bzfquery 222.14.155.25:5154 |
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| 13:15.20 | kjdfsa165 | ~bzfquery 222.3.251.207:5154 |
| 13:16.15 | jpa_ | kjdfsa165: what are you messing around? |
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| 13:20.26 | kjdfsa165 | ~bzfquery 222.3.251.207:5154 |
| 13:20.32 | jpa_ | hmm |
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| 14:51.42 | jpa_ | hello Tupone |
| 14:51.52 | Tupone | ciao |
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| 15:13.34 | newbie_dont | hi i have small problem with bzflag |
| 15:13.42 | newbie_dont | both in 1.10 and 2.0 |
| 15:14.07 | newbie_dont | after rejoining to any server, sometimes client cant find it |
| 15:14.28 | newbie_dont | console says sth like" looking up hostname: timeout" |
| 15:15.17 | newbie_dont | and i left that hostname/server a few seconds earlier |
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| 15:18.08 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 15:25.30 | Tupone | hi brlcad |
| 15:26.28 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 15:27.21 | brlcad | hola tupone |
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| 15:27.35 | Tupone | still brlcad? overtime ? |
| 15:27.40 | tea|tree | muha hello guys :D |
| 15:43.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (BUGS src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): Fixing spam bug and related things never tested |
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| 16:16.54 | Patricko | I am having some trouble installign bzflag 2 on SuSE 9.2 |
| 16:17.16 | Patricko | it wants an older version of openssl |
| 16:17.21 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c5b-b-192.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 16:17.26 | Patricko | anyone got any ideas? |
| 16:17.26 | amathis | Patricko, errors |
| 16:17.49 | Patricko | it wants openssl-0.96 while i have 0.97 |
| 16:18.05 | amathis | what is the exact error, and where do you get it? |
| 16:18.08 | amathis | are you compiling it? |
| 16:18.11 | amathis | are you using an rpm? |
| 16:18.12 | Patricko | no rpm |
| 16:18.20 | amathis | paste the error |
| 16:18.22 | Patricko | i installed it --nodeps |
| 16:18.35 | Patricko | but if i try to run it, doesn't work |
| 16:18.50 | Patricko | bzflag: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:19.21 | Patricko | i have checked and i have libssl.so.0.9.7 |
| 16:19.21 | amathis | Patricko, type... ls /usr/lib |grep libssl.* |
| 16:19.52 | Patricko | i also have libssl.0 |
| 16:20.34 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 16:20.36 | amathis | if it says you need libssl.so.2, and you have libssl.0.9.7, it sounds like you have an old version. |
| 16:21.03 | Patricko | actually libssl.so.2 is provided by openssl0.9.6 while i have 0.9.7 |
| 16:21.10 | *** join/#bzflag bz8902 (~4612108f@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 16:21.19 | Patricko | which makes me confused ... |
| 16:21.46 | bz8902 | YO I CANT GET ONTO ANY SERVERS CUZ EVERYTIME I GO TO FIND SERVER IT SAYS CANT OPEN LIST |
| 16:22.02 | bz8902 | WAT DO I DO |
| 16:22.06 | bz8902 | AHHHHHH |
| 16:22.13 | amathis | bz8902, english, with no caps is prefered. |
| 16:22.23 | amathis | bz8902, take a number and wait your turn. |
| 16:22.33 | bz8902 | wat |
| 16:22.47 | bz8902 | y cant it open the sever lisyt |
| 16:22.49 | amathis | Patricko, hmm, I am on a windows machine ATM, I wish I had my linux box... (it is rare to see me in windows) |
| 16:23.03 | Nidhoggr | SportChick: ? |
| 16:23.11 | bz8902 | wat do IDO |
| 16:23.16 | bz8902 | wat do I DO |
| 16:23.20 | bz8902 | AHHHHHHH |
| 16:23.25 | Patricko | I have bzflag working on my Windows machine |
| 16:23.26 | bz8902 | i wanna fucking play |
| 16:23.28 | amathis | Patricko, perhaps: ln -s /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7 /usr/lib/libssl.so.2 |
| 16:23.31 | bz8902 | u stupid fucking geeks |
| 16:23.36 | Patricko | thats a good idea |
| 16:23.44 | Nidhoggr | watch the language please. |
| 16:23.59 | bz8902 | how do i get it to open teh server list and il leave |
| 16:24.10 | bz8902 | just tell me |
| 16:24.11 | amathis | bz8902, what version of bzflag? |
| 16:24.18 | bz8902 | i dont knoiw |
| 16:24.24 | amathis | bz8902, ... |
| 16:24.25 | bz8902 | the one where its 3d |
| 16:24.30 | Nidhoggr | it's all 3d |
| 16:24.46 | bz8902 | twell how do i find out wat version i have |
| 16:24.59 | Patricko | I think it's working now thanks! |
| 16:25.02 | amathis | bz8902, how the heck are we supposed to help you, when you have little to no information to give us insight into the problem? |
| 16:25.02 | Nidhoggr | what does your icon say? just bzflag? or does it have version on the icon. |
| 16:25.05 | amathis | Patricko, np :) |
| 16:25.26 | bz8902 | no it just says BZFLAG |
| 16:25.34 | Nidhoggr | when you open bzflag it will tell you the version in the little window on the bottom. |
| 16:25.35 | amathis | bz8902, did you just install it, or was it a while ago/ |
| 16:25.48 | bz8902 | yes i just installed it |
| 16:26.13 | amathis | bz8902, start up bzflag and the box should tell you. |
| 16:26.23 | amathis | should say either 1.10.8 or 2.0 |
| 16:26.38 | bz8902 | OK HOLD NO |
| 16:26.42 | bz8902 | *ON |
| 16:26.49 | amathis | bz8902, please turn caps off. |
| 16:26.57 | bz8902 | SORRY |
| 16:27.02 | bz8902 | *soory |
| 16:27.50 | bz8902 | wait where does it say the version |
| 16:27.58 | amathis | in the little box at the bottom |
| 16:28.08 | bz8902 | 1.7d |
| 16:28.12 | amathis | oh dear lord |
| 16:28.12 | bz8902 | thats the version |
| 16:28.17 | bz8902 | wat |
| 16:28.18 | *** join/#bzflag t-s (~ts@pD9EA676A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:28.21 | amathis | bz8902, you are on a WAY out dated version |
| 16:28.34 | amathis | bz8902, we have released at least 2 major versions since then |
| 16:28.48 | Nidhoggr | there are no servers on that version... it's too old. |
| 16:28.49 | bz8902 | i kno but sometime it goes into the new version |
| 16:29.10 | bz8902 | then how do i download the newest version |
| 16:29.24 | Nidhoggr | go to www.bzflag.org and find the downloads link |
| 16:29.32 | bz8902 | ok |
| 16:29.37 | amathis | bz8902, go here... |
| 16:29.42 | amathis | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.0.exe?download |
| 16:29.50 | amathis | click one of the download buttons. |
| 16:30.04 | bz8902 | where |
| 16:30.08 | bz8902 | hold no |
| 16:30.09 | bz8902 | hold on |
| 16:30.23 | Patricko | Is there a windowed mode for linux? |
| 16:30.29 | amathis | Patricko, yes |
| 16:30.40 | amathis | Patricko, you can either go to start menu - > bzflag -> bzflag (windowed) |
| 16:30.44 | bz8902 | ok im at www.bzflag.org |
| 16:30.59 | amathis | or you can make a shortcut on desktop with an executable of bzflag -windowed |
| 16:31.03 | amathis | bz8902, go here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.0.exe?download |
| 16:31.09 | amathis | bz8902, click on of the downloads |
| 16:31.13 | bz8902 | so now i click on the thing on the left hand column that says dowload |
| 16:31.35 | amathis | bz8902, how old are you, btw? |
| 16:31.45 | Patricko | amathis, what about for Linux, im running KDE? |
| 16:31.46 | bz8902 | 12 |
| 16:31.55 | amathis | Patricko, ohh.. I am so sorry.. wrong person |
| 16:32.01 | amathis | Patricko, I forgot you were linux |
| 16:32.01 | amathis | :D |
| 16:32.10 | Patricko | Its ok! :) |
| 16:32.15 | amathis | Patricko, well, you can start it up in bash with.. bzflag -windowed |
| 16:32.23 | amathis | or is it... -window |
| 16:32.30 | amathis | either one. |
| 16:32.37 | Patricko | oh right its a commandline option thanks! |
| 16:32.38 | bz8902 | ahh wat do i do |
| 16:32.46 | amathis | bz8902, where are you? |
| 16:33.38 | bz8902 | i am at www.bzfalg.org then i click on dowload on the left hand column |
| 16:33.40 | bz8902 | then wat do i do |
| 16:33.50 | amathis | bz8902, listen to me.... |
| 16:33.54 | amathis | bz8902, go HERE |
| 16:33.55 | amathis | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.0.exe?download |
| 16:34.04 | bz8902 | i did |
| 16:34.05 | amathis | go to THAT site. |
| 16:34.10 | amathis | no, you went to bzflag.org |
| 16:34.16 | amathis | now.. |
| 16:34.22 | amathis | once that site I just told you to go to is loaded.. |
| 16:34.25 | amathis | you should see |
| 16:34.30 | amathis | 'Download' on the right |
| 16:34.41 | amathis | under it, is '8498 kb' |
| 16:34.48 | amathis | click there. |
| 16:34.56 | amathis | and hit 'save as' when the window pops up. |
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| 16:35.02 | bz8902 | ok |
| 16:35.04 | amathis | JeffM2501, yay! are support man. |
| 16:35.11 | amathis | :P |
| 16:35.16 | Patricko | Is there a reason you cannot move your mouse out of the bzflag window? |
| 16:35.17 | bz8902 | wait there is like a lot of places that say that |
| 16:35.24 | bz8902 | i just cilck anyof them |
| 16:35.29 | amathis | Patricko, hit '9' |
| 16:35.33 | amathis | bz8902, sure |
| 16:35.38 | amathis | Patricko, that is autopilot |
| 16:35.43 | amathis | it should let you move your mouse |
| 16:36.14 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 16:36.34 | bz8902 | awsome its working |
| 16:36.36 | amathis | JeffM2501, something I said wrong? |
| 16:36.39 | bz8902 | i fucking love u geek |
| 16:36.49 | amathis | bz8902, after you download that, hit the exe and install 2.0 |
| 16:36.54 | JeffM2501 | bz8902: watcg tge language pelase |
| 16:36.56 | Patricko | amathis, I can see and move my mouse, but not out of the bzflag window |
| 16:37.04 | bz8902 | u guys fucking rock |
| 16:37.04 | bz8902 | if it wasnt fer ur geeky stupid knowledge i would be lost |
| 16:37.06 | amathis | Patricko, even with autopilot on? |
| 16:37.06 | bz8902 | u guys fucking rock |
| 16:37.15 | amathis | *sigh* |
| 16:37.16 | bz8902 | fucl |
| 16:37.18 | bz8902 | fuck |
| 16:37.20 | bz8902 | fick |
| 16:37.22 | amathis | bz8902, this is a family channel. |
| 16:37.23 | bz8902 | fyck |
| 16:37.28 | *** kick/#bzflag [bz8902!mandrake@dragon.org] by Nidhoggr (Nidhoggr) |
| 16:37.36 | Patricko | Finally. Thanks. |
| 16:37.39 | JeffM2501 | there we go |
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| 16:38.25 | Patricko | Windowed mode isn't very useful if i can't move my mouse out of it |
| 16:38.25 | amathis | Patricko, does it say that autopilot is on when you hit '9' ? |
| 16:39.05 | Patricko | I start up bzflag, the main menu comes up. I try to move my mouse, I can. I try to move it out of the window, I can't. |
| 16:39.07 | Nidhoggr | that kid is gunna play on secretplace and get banned. :) |
| 16:39.19 | trepan | Patricko: options->input->confine mouse |
| 16:39.24 | Patricko | Thanks! |
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| 16:39.58 | Nidhoggr | I was supposed to go to tucson today... but ppl I was going with haven't called yet. |
| 16:40.13 | amathis | how far away is tuscon? |
| 16:40.23 | Patricko | Yup works now :) |
| 16:41.17 | Nidhoggr | about 2 hours |
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| 16:55.25 | freelancer | anyone here know were i can find cosmos from hepcat server |
| 16:55.56 | freelancer | please |
| 16:56.01 | gina | no, sorry |
| 16:56.20 | freelancer | how about silverfox? |
| 16:57.04 | freelancer | oops i see he has been here 7 hours ago |
| 16:57.17 | freelancer | ok thanks gina |
| 16:58.46 | jpa_ | hmph |
| 16:58.52 | jpa_ | my bzadmin keeps crashing |
| 16:58.57 | jpa_ | randomly |
| 17:00.07 | Patricko | Hmmm ... my bzflag is crashing randomly ... does it keep a log? |
| 17:00.44 | jpa_ | not anything else than what you get with -d |
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| 17:11.10 | Patricko | Does this mean anything to you? |
| 17:11.19 | Patricko | WARNING: player already exists at location with id 35 |
| 17:11.21 | Patricko | Segmentation fault |
| 17:13.16 | Tupone | Patricko: was your server? |
| 17:13.52 | Patricko | hepcat.tybox.net |
| 17:13.53 | Nidhoggr | is it possible that it isn't doing ands queries on people who have global reg? |
| 17:13.57 | Nidhoggr | hi Tupone |
| 17:14.02 | Tupone | hi Nidhoggr |
| 17:14.31 | Patricko | Should I try a different server? Is that the problem? |
| 17:14.41 | gina | hi Tupone |
| 17:14.42 | Tupone | Nidhoggr: my guess is that it is doing those, but the answer is to latefor the bugged code |
| 17:14.49 | Tupone | ciao gina |
| 17:14.57 | Nidhoggr | aaah |
| 17:15.06 | Nidhoggr | basically, it makes hostban useless. :( |
| 17:15.24 | Nidhoggr | when spoogebob upgrades, we are in for a big mess. |
| 17:16.02 | *** part/#bzflag Patricko (~chatzilla@host81-155-225-19.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:16.13 | Tupone | I suggest to locally revert the patch |
| 17:16.34 | Nidhoggr | which patch? |
| 17:16.53 | Tupone | commit, no patch :( |
| 17:18.52 | Nidhoggr | I can probably get sgk to look at it again. |
| 17:20.19 | Birdie | !seen cosmos |
| 17:20.20 | guu | Birdie: cosmos was last seen here 3 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes, and 9 seconds ago saying: <cosmos> hahah |
| 17:20.23 | Birdie | doh |
| 17:20.28 | Tupone | My suggestion is to delay the deletion of the 1.10 server, until the problem is fixed |
| 17:22.25 | jpa_ | ~bzflist |
| 17:34.57 | tea|tree | ~d |
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| 17:56.32 | sussudio | :-| |
| 17:56.42 | ksuther | Anybody know what I should do if bzflag gives me "could not set Video Mode: X11 driver not configured with OpenGL"? |
| 17:57.00 | sussudio | load openGL. |
| 17:57.04 | ksuther | glxinfo and glxgears work |
| 17:57.35 | ksuther | It's not that easy :p |
| 17:57.55 | sussudio | well i'm pissed off because bzflag 2.0.0 is still broken with key assignments :-| |
| 17:59.18 | ksuther | I guess nobody else is alive. |
| 17:59.28 | sussudio | nope. |
| 18:00.00 | sussudio | make sure you have the glx module loaded in X |
| 18:00.28 | ksuther | It is loaded |
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| 18:02.08 | qbwwdp | hey guys |
| 18:02.13 | ksuther | I guess I'll just wait until more people are alive. |
| 18:02.14 | ksuther | Hello |
| 18:02.16 | qbwwdp | come play on #britsystems.com |
| 18:02.21 | qbwwdp | a quick game |
| 18:02.39 | ksuther | I would if I could. |
| 18:03.11 | qbwwdp | why can't you |
| 18:03.16 | qbwwdp | are you grounded? |
| 18:04.58 | ksuther | "Could not set Video Mode; X11 driver not configured with OpenGL." |
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| 18:07.14 | cods | ksuther: and with -window, that don't work ? |
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| 18:12.01 | ksuther | same error |
| 18:14.09 | cods | hmm, maybe it's related to SDL that don't have OpenGL support |
| 18:14.37 | cods | if error come from SDL.. but I'm not familiar with SDL |
| 18:15.10 | ksuther | hmm |
| 18:15.21 | ksuther | BZFlag uses SDL though? |
| 18:15.26 | cods | yes |
| 18:15.33 | ksuther | ah, that's what it is |
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| 18:15.43 | ksuther | I had opengl off in sdl |
| 18:16.27 | ksuther | Thanks, if it works :) |
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| 19:01.59 | tea|tree | orchid hola :o) |
| 19:02.08 | orchid | hi |
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| 19:05.14 | mattg42 | lo |
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| 19:05.22 | sgk284 | howdy |
| 19:05.41 | mattg42 | Does anyone know if there are plans for gamedunited to move to the new version soon? |
| 19:06.10 | Tupone | I think you should follow gu.de forum |
| 19:06.19 | mattg42 | ok |
| 19:07.01 | mattg42 | twas just a thought if anyone knew off hand since I was connected to freenode anyhow |
| 19:07.06 | Tupone | sgk284, hostban does not work at all :( |
| 19:07.06 | sgk284 | tupone, tim said the ban code is fien the way it is so I'm not going to mess with it |
| 19:07.14 | sgk284 | it doesn't? |
| 19:07.23 | Tupone | Ask Nidhoggr |
| 19:07.30 | sgk284 | argh... |
| 19:07.40 | sgk284 | okay looks like i will be moving it back anyways |
| 19:07.51 | sgk284 | at least until something else can eb done about it |
| 19:08.14 | sgk284 | just seems like really bad design to place it in doStuffOnPlayers() |
| 19:08.26 | sgk284 | but Tupone, hsa hostban been tested at all since 2.0? |
| 19:09.00 | Tupone | I think it worked before, why the question? |
| 19:09.01 | sgk284 | because /playerlist very rarely shows anyone with a host implying that the adns stuff is borked |
| 19:09.33 | sgk284 | i.e. on secretplace maybe 5% will resolve to a host |
| 19:09.42 | sgk284 | if the server doesnt resolve the hostnam then it just bypasses the hostban anyway |
| 19:10.28 | Tupone | well, if you put back as it was, with adding the whitelistening, I can check and fix eventually |
| 19:10.40 | sgk284 | okay |
| 19:10.47 | Tupone | Now there is no way to let it work |
| 19:11.01 | sgk284 | sounds good |
| 19:12.26 | Tupone | hehe bzflag 2.0 is in the fc3 updates from freshrpms |
| 19:12.40 | sgk284 | nice |
| 19:12.42 | brlcad | sgk284, you say that don't resolve? |
| 19:12.49 | brlcad | you mean in 1.10? |
| 19:12.54 | sgk284 | no in 2.0 |
| 19:13.05 | brlcad | prechanges or post? |
| 19:13.24 | sgk284 | i believe it has been since prechanges |
| 19:13.48 | sgk284 | people used to tell me that hostnames no longer showed up in playerlist... turns out they jsut weren't resolving |
| 19:13.50 | Tupone | I'd retest it after |
| 19:14.08 | sgk284 | yea i'm at work right now but i intend to do some testing once i get home |
| 19:14.37 | Tupone | isn't saturday? All at work? |
| 19:14.51 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 19:15.15 | brlcad | sgk284: they may be resolving but playerlist and playerinfo isn't getting updated now.. dunno, probably good to figure out if that happened |
| 19:15.51 | sgk284 | i dont see how moving some hostban code from doStuffOnplayer() over to addPlayer() would break hostname lookups :/ |
| 19:16.02 | sgk284 | yea, definitly needs to be looked at |
| 19:16.08 | brlcad | easy to test |
| 19:17.01 | jpa_ | when does 2.2.0 come out? :) |
| 19:17.25 | Tupone | when is ready :) |
| 19:17.25 | brlcad | already posted, go download it |
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| 19:21.11 | SportChick | sgk284: ping! |
| 19:21.49 | sgk284 | pong |
| 19:22.12 | sgk284 | ~bzflist |
| 19:22.13 | jpa_ | http://www.atariage.com/screenshot_page.html?SoftwareLabelID=22&ItemTypeID=SCREENSHOT :) |
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| 19:26.46 | xim | hi. what are the new keys to roam when you're observing? |
| 19:27.06 | jpa_ | just as before |
| 19:27.20 | jpa_ | but, they may not be bind in the input settings |
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| 19:27.34 | sgk284 | xim, may need to reset your key binding to defaults |
| 19:27.39 | xim | ah, i'll have a look |
| 19:27.42 | xim | thanks |
| 19:27.50 | sgk284 | its something like options->input settings->key mapping->reset defaults |
| 19:27.57 | jpa_ | and also, for some reason, shift+down moves up and shift+up moves down |
| 19:28.16 | sgk284 | its like flying a plane |
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| 19:28.29 | sgk284 | ~bzfrag ibot |
| 19:28.31 | ibot | ACTION makes ibot feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 19:28.52 | jpa_ | you don't control a plane with arrows :) |
| 19:29.12 | sgk284 | :) |
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| 19:29.33 | jpa_ | it would be scary if you did.. :) |
| 19:29.55 | jpa_ | whooooosh-tok-whoooooosh-tok |
| 19:29.58 | xim | looking in 2.0/config, i see: bind "Shift+Left Arrow" up "roam translate stop", should be "roam translate left" |
| 19:30.55 | jpa_ | just reset the bindings |
| 19:31.00 | jpa_ | it is the easiest way |
| 19:31.25 | xim | i'll edit the file, so i won't have to reset my other keys ;) |
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| 19:32.24 | jpa_ | do you really have that much important non-default keybindings? :) |
| 19:38.22 | xim | hmm, i've reset the bindings, but there's still missing controls: looking up and down, going up and down |
| 19:38.51 | xim | i'm able to turn, go forward and backward, strafe left and right though |
| 19:39.49 | xim | on the output of bzflag (from the terminal) i see: usage: roam {zoom|cycle} <args> |
| 19:40.39 | xim | maybe because there's only obs on this map |
| 19:40.48 | jpa_ | you can go up with shift-down |
| 19:40.56 | jpa_ | and down with shift-up |
| 19:41.03 | jpa_ | and turn with ctrl + arrows |
| 19:41.12 | xim | it doesn't work |
| 19:41.19 | jpa_ | are you roaming? |
| 19:41.26 | xim | turn works without any modifer |
| 19:42.05 | xim | yes, i'm roaming |
| 19:44.57 | xim | ah, it's shift+ctrl for looking up and down, and shift+alt to go up and down |
| 19:46.13 | `ls` | xim: your 1.10 settings did not migrate correctly. I'd recommend deleting your config file(s), rerunning, and re-setting them up. |
| 19:49.46 | xim | i should delete also 1.0 config file |
| 19:49.48 | xim | n? |
| 19:49.59 | xim | lol, the n was to chat |
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| 19:56.48 | jpa_ | ~bzflist |
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| 20:29.16 | Daddo | hey - I know how to crash Hepcat :( |
| 20:29.29 | Daddo | any devs around? |
| 20:30.05 | Tupone | Daddo, say it |
| 20:30.26 | sgk284 | daddo, /flaghistory? |
| 20:30.28 | Daddo | if i enter a password and logon - boom |
| 20:30.36 | sgk284 | oh lol |
| 20:30.46 | sgk284 | wrong password? |
| 20:30.54 | Daddo | enter a password in the password field of the client thta is |
| 20:31.03 | sgk284 | and it crashes hepcat? |
| 20:31.05 | Daddo | no correct bzbb password |
| 20:31.11 | sgk284 | the server or your client? |
| 20:31.12 | Daddo | i think so |
| 20:31.16 | Daddo | server |
| 20:31.22 | sgk284 | ~bzflist |
| 20:31.31 | sgk284 | you didnt crash the server |
| 20:31.38 | Daddo | ah |
| 20:31.43 | sgk284 | what made you think you did? |
| 20:31.46 | Daddo | let me clarify |
| 20:31.53 | Daddo | it just kicks everyone off |
| 20:32.03 | Daddo | everyone goes nr |
| 20:32.35 | Daddo | if i log on with no password and /identify everything is fine |
| 20:32.56 | sgk284 | are you an admin or anything? or just a regular player? |
| 20:33.12 | Daddo | i am not 100% sure of this - hepcat has been flakey so who knows |
| 20:33.18 | Daddo | regular player |
| 20:33.28 | sgk284 | anyone here know if hepcat runs any custom patches? |
| 20:33.32 | sgk284 | some servers do |
| 20:33.40 | DTRemenak | sgk284: afaik it's stock |
| 20:33.49 | Daddo | i was 'annointed' to cop status (in the global bzbb group) |
| 20:33.57 | Tupone | Better they update, from the version string they run 2.0 stable |
| 20:34.29 | Daddo | i can try it if someone wants to get on and see what happens |
| 20:34.37 | Tupone | well, apart the hostban, there are a lot of fixes |
| 20:34.40 | DTRemenak | maybe it's getting time for 2.0.2, for easy updates |
| 20:34.47 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, yea |
| 20:34.57 | Tupone | I'll wait |
| 20:34.57 | Daddo | i think it does it with the stock 2.0 client and the cvs client as well |
| 20:35.08 | Tupone | 'd wait |
| 20:35.08 | Daddo | but the cvs server may fix eh? |
| 20:35.09 | sgk284 | but not until the hostname / hostban stuff is resolved:) |
| 20:35.18 | Tupone | yup |
| 20:35.31 | DTRemenak | yeah, still more fixes needed. just hinting that direction to make people think about it :) |
| 20:35.41 | sgk284 | k |
| 20:35.51 | Daddo | does anyone wnat to see if I really have this correct? |
| 20:35.55 | sgk284 | myabe hepcat is running with -d -d -d -d :) |
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| 20:36.16 | Tupone | DTRemenak, have you looked at IRIX compilation problem reports on sf? |
| 20:36.35 | DTRemenak | Tupone: I think learner did, not sure. I have no IRIX box here. |
| 20:36.40 | brlcad | ack, someone did change the shot drawing |
| 20:36.59 | brlcad | what happened to the option that kept it like it was? |
| 20:37.08 | Daddo | ok - well let me know if you want me to try - otherwise i will stay away from trying it so people can enjoy playing :) |
| 20:37.17 | DTRemenak | brlcad: huh? |
| 20:37.29 | Tupone | DTRemenak, there is a cast with (const ...) and the compiler say is meaningless. I though you did that change |
| 20:37.56 | Daddo | back to re-writing pybzedit..... |
| 20:38.08 | DTRemenak | Tupone: only reason I'd do something silly like that is if the solaris compiler told me to |
| 20:38.10 | brlcad | DTRemenak: there's an option for leading/lagging shot lines.. either one of those options or another one made it like it was (line leading, shot on tip) |
| 20:38.19 | DTRemenak | brlcad: you wrote that, didn't you? |
| 20:38.27 | brlcad | nope |
| 20:38.42 | DTRemenak | hm, coulda sworn...musta been trepan |
| 20:38.54 | Tupone | DTRemenak, That's why I ask you, to check if there is another way to peace solaris |
| 20:39.07 | brlcad | trepan did something with it, but that's when I last looked at it and he'd left an option to "do what it did" |
| 20:39.16 | brlcad | now I see why folks were complaining |
| 20:39.34 | Daddo | ha and you thought we were all cry-babies :) |
| 20:39.46 | brlcad | no, Daddo .. just you :) |
| 20:39.51 | Daddo | ooooo |
| 20:40.22 | brlcad | Tupone: i've not gotten around to fixing the const stuff, but I've known about it for a while |
| 20:40.24 | Tupone | brlcad GUI setting ? |
| 20:40.58 | brlcad | it's valid.. returning a "const float" or a "const int" is meaningless |
| 20:41.17 | *** part/#bzflag qbwwdp (~lexiana@dsl081-117-104.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:41.21 | Tupone | Option -> Gui Setting -> Radar Shot Line |
| 20:42.45 | brlcad | Tupone: yes, that's leading and lagging, that's only half of it though |
| 20:43.03 | Tupone | what is missing? |
| 20:43.25 | brlcad | shots drawn on tail front or tail end |
| 20:43.56 | DTRemenak | shouldn't the shot always be drawn where it actually is? what's the point of lying? |
| 20:44.01 | brlcad | prior behavior is no longer available (leading line with shot on leading tip) |
| 20:45.11 | Tupone | I thought the shot was where the shot actually is known by server, and line can be in front or ahead |
| 20:46.16 | brlcad | yes, that was clearly the change.. drawing the shot where it is |
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| 20:46.40 | brlcad | but there was an option to maintain how it was (at least for a while) and it was on purpose |
| 20:47.11 | brlcad | the timing is completely off now |
| 20:47.23 | Tupone | I really don't get any idea on why lying? |
| 20:47.34 | brlcad | it's not lying, it's predictive |
| 20:47.36 | Tupone | shot shoud be where is know by collision |
| 20:47.56 | Tupone | line in front should help to know where i will be |
| 20:48.09 | brlcad | and players (_especially_ ducati-style players) are tuned to it |
| 20:48.23 | brlcad | Tupone: that looks silly though |
| 20:48.28 | DTRemenak | brlcad: perhaps a "draw shot <#> ms ahead of actual location" option? :) |
| 20:48.33 | brlcad | shots look like they'ree going backwards |
| 20:49.20 | Tupone | when they know where shot will be, with line ahead, what they loose |
| 20:49.27 | Tupone | ? |
| 20:50.22 | brlcad | as it is, you end up dying just before the shot renders near the tank on radar, which also looks odd even if numerically what happens |
| 20:50.51 | brlcad | Tupone: they lose what they had |
| 20:51.21 | Tupone | so, what they had, a white point at the begin of the line? |
| 20:52.01 | brlcad | yes, white point on shot tip, with shot line extending from shot position |
| 20:52.24 | Tupone | and is not the same looking at the line and seeing where it ends? |
| 20:52.37 | brlcad | not really |
| 20:52.47 | Tupone | the only thing they loose is direction |
| 20:52.48 | brlcad | the timing is on where the shot is drawn |
| 20:52.56 | brlcad | the line is peripheral |
| 20:53.05 | brlcad | and gives sense of direction |
| 20:53.22 | brlcad | now they still have that direction, but they lose the timing of the position |
| 20:53.48 | Tupone | why, the line just stop where you'd put the white point. No? |
| 20:54.22 | brlcad | you get used to dodgine shots, not the tips of empty lines |
| 20:54.56 | Tupone | time for club :) |
| 20:54.57 | DTRemenak | so get used to it a different way. just because people are used to a bug is not a reason to leave it in. |
| 20:55.06 | brlcad | I wouldn't have noticed except I played for a half hour on 1.10 ducati and then I jumped on 2.0 |
| 20:55.12 | brlcad | the difference was incredible |
| 20:55.40 | brlcad | the radar really is much less useful now |
| 20:55.51 | Daddo | except the 'bug' felt better - was easier to judge the shots - ask any regular hepcat or ducati player |
| 20:55.59 | brlcad | DTRemenak: it wasn't a bug though.. it was by design |
| 20:56.05 | brlcad | there's just disagreement on that design |
| 20:57.06 | Daddo | start a poll on bzbb and ask the masses about new radar vs old ? |
| 20:57.15 | DTRemenak | I doubt it was by design...shifting the shot drawing by the line length. |
| 20:57.27 | brlcad | DTRemenak: it was, I did it :) |
| 20:57.37 | DTRemenak | brlcad: ohh, so we can blame you for all this mess :) |
| 20:57.47 | brlcad | in part |
| 20:57.54 | brlcad | cappy adding leading shot lines |
| 20:58.01 | Daddo | ~brlcad++ |
| 20:58.04 | Daddo | oops |
| 20:58.07 | DTRemenak | hate to say it, but that's a lousy way to figure out how far to shift it. should be a time delay factor. |
| 20:58.17 | purple_cow | brlcad: are you trying to blame me? |
| 20:58.21 | brlcad | he added the leading lines to show direction |
| 20:58.30 | brlcad | i modified it to draw the shot on the tip |
| 20:58.40 | brlcad | looks rediculous on the other end :) |
| 20:58.49 | brlcad | purple_cow: nope |
| 20:58.52 | purple_cow | good |
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| 21:00.00 | jpa_ | ok, so it was by design :) |
| 21:00.03 | brlcad | DTRemenak: the player picks the length of their line, so they picked how far in front they wanted |
| 21:00.16 | brlcad | worked pretty well for most all ducati folk |
| 21:00.26 | jpa_ | i always thought it was a bug or lag, i wasn't dying when the white dot hit me |
| 21:00.30 | brlcad | and almost every one of us enabled it for that reason |
| 21:01.08 | Daddo | with the new version you get to die <before> the dot hits you :( |
| 21:01.09 | brlcad | jpa_: yeah, that's the tradeoff |
| 21:01.11 | DTRemenak | brlcad: the line length to me does not make any sense as a shot offset value. I had it turned off in 1.10 for just that reason, I want to know where the shots _are_ |
| 21:01.31 | jpa_ | me too |
| 21:01.31 | brlcad | the default should proabbly be where the shot is, just need an option to place it elsewhere too |
| 21:01.55 | jpa_ | or actually, i had a modified client for a moment with the white dot drawn in the "right" end |
| 21:02.01 | jpa_ | while it did look stupid |
| 21:02.14 | DTRemenak | brlcad: if it had been a time delay or something logical like that, rather than working off the (seemingly) unrelated line length, that would have made much more sense. |
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| 21:02.34 | DTRemenak | I use the lines for direction, having the shot the wrong place throws me off. |
| 21:02.51 | brlcad | DTRemenak: then some would ahve had huge lines, some tiny lines .. while interesting, it'd be very distracting |
| 21:03.06 | prodan | i tried to register on bzbb, but didnt get a confirm email, how long should such an email take? |
| 21:03.25 | DTRemenak | brlcad: nonono. fixed line length, but different drawing of the lines and shots based on a time offset. |
| 21:03.37 | DTRemenak | so it draws where the shots will be in 100ms for instance |
| 21:03.47 | DTRemenak | like a future-predicting radar |
| 21:04.08 | DTRemenak | although, come to think of it, variable line length based on speed would be kinda cool :) |
| 21:04.11 | brlcad | that'd be a much bigger change, and very riddled with problems |
| 21:04.14 | jpa_ | how is it different from fixed line lenght |
| 21:04.18 | brlcad | what do you do on ricos |
| 21:04.22 | jpa_ | except for rapid fire |
| 21:04.32 | DTRemenak | brlcad: what does the line do now? |
| 21:05.04 | brlcad | the line is fine, it either draws in front or behind the position |
| 21:05.32 | DTRemenak | so when the shot is drawn on the wrong end of the line (e.g. where it's not), the shot doesn't bounce correctly, right? |
| 21:05.38 | jpa_ | why cant people just have leading/lagging/brlcad options? :) |
| 21:05.43 | DTRemenak | because it's the other end of the line that bounces |
| 21:06.01 | brlcad | yep, ricos are off for very long lines |
| 21:06.28 | DTRemenak | so it would be no different, but the line length would be independent of where the rico was. |
| 21:06.34 | brlcad | jpa_: you don't play ducati-style |
| 21:06.40 | DTRemenak | having them tied together confused me badly :) |
| 21:06.47 | brlcad | I'm more realizing why everyone's been complaining so |
| 21:06.49 | DTRemenak | and I _did_ play ducati-style |
| 21:07.04 | jpa_ | brlcad: no, i usually do not |
| 21:07.32 | jpa_ | while i did some time |
| 21:08.18 | DTRemenak | I like 2.0's radar much better on ducati, because I can turn on the lines without confusing myself. Not to mention that I prefer lagging lines anyway :) |
| 21:08.44 | brlcad | DTRemenak: I hate option proliferation myself, but without placing the shots on the tip, there's not really any point to a leading line -- does anyone even use leading lines now? i'd bet no |
| 21:09.02 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I believe I argued for the abolishment of the leading lines, too... :) |
| 21:09.11 | Daddo | i do - it's the only way to get close to the old radar |
| 21:09.18 | DTRemenak | I'm a firm believer in "show it like it is" |
| 21:09.33 | jpa_ | maybe we should dots in both ends :) |
| 21:09.37 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:09.37 | brlcad | most games drawn the entire game state predictively |
| 21:10.12 | DTRemenak | brlcad: true. in bzflag you have to anticipate everything. it's one of the reasons I like it. |
| 21:10.12 | brlcad | commercial, at least -- as that's the only good way to perform the better dead reckoning algorithms |
| 21:10.14 | DTRemenak | it's like racquetball :) |
| 21:10.43 | DTRemenak | but again, predictive would use a time offset, not a fixed position offset. |
| 21:10.53 | Daddo | drawing it where it 'is' does not always show it to the player where it 'is' depending on lag and refresh rates and probably even reaction time |
| 21:11.02 | brlcad | sure, but we're nowhere near predictive drawing |
| 21:11.04 | DTRemenak | Daddo: all of those are time values |
| 21:11.11 | brlcad | that would be the entire drawing |
| 21:11.19 | brlcad | 3d and radar |
| 21:11.33 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 21:12.16 | Daddo | in theory I think DTRemenak is right - but if the old way worked and is easy to do...... |
| 21:12.22 | brlcad | offset everything by 100ms or mean lag, so that everyone experiences an even distribution of response times |
| 21:12.44 | Daddo | would that be doable!? |
| 21:12.48 | orchid | !seen tupone |
| 21:12.48 | guu | orchid: tupone was last seen here 17 minutes and 52 seconds ago saying: <Tupone> time for club :) |
| 21:14.06 | trepan | the rendering of the shot points is accurate with respect to the loca lplayer |
| 21:14.12 | brlcad | barring a complete fixup for that predictive rendering, I'll vie for radar shots predicting |
| 21:14.21 | trepan | the shot hit detection is local |
| 21:14.40 | trepan | lag/jitter does not come into play once the shot is registered |
| 21:15.07 | trepan | the only deviation would be GM |
| 21:15.19 | DTRemenak | trepan's got a point to. it's already predictive, because it's the local value which is used for collisions. |
| 21:15.47 | DTRemenak | too even. |
| 21:15.51 | brlcad | a side effect is that now the radar will show me dying without ever rendering the shot hitting my tank's area |
| 21:15.54 | trepan | use the line for prediction, and leave there shot where it really is |
| 21:16.11 | trepan | unless you want a 3rd mode |
| 21:16.13 | jpa_ | if internet had <20ms lag.. |
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| 21:17.24 | trepan | you could also scale the line length base on its speed, plus the user param |
| 21:17.54 | trepan | ow |
| 21:18.14 | brlcad | trepan: I'm opting for a 3rd option at this point, with a nice visual to show what it means |
| 21:18.38 | jpa_ | hmm.. if i calculate correctly, even with light fibre, would we have 70ms lag from pole to pole |
| 21:18.43 | brlcad | lil diagram that shows shot value, where to put the line, where to put the tip |
| 21:20.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: make antikick permission actually prevent most all kicks (except server communication disconnects), sending the kick message back to the player that was protected. |
| 21:27.10 | *** join/#bzflag Sbgodin (~Chris@sbgodin.dyndns.org) |
| 21:27.14 | Sbgodin | hi all ! |
| 21:27.41 | jpa_ | hello sb |
| 21:28.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Fixed antikick so that it actually prevents most kicks |
| 21:28.01 | Sbgodin | I have a question for the devs |
| 21:28.22 | sgk284 | ~brlcad++ |
| 21:28.35 | sgk284 | now the anti stuff is actually anti! |
| 21:28.48 | jpa_ | :) |
| 21:29.07 | Sbgodin | Why when "/ban" an IP, the message "IP pattern add to ban list" is sent to everybody ? |
| 21:29.14 | sgk284 | well i've wasted enough of my saturday at the office, time to head home |
| 21:29.32 | sgk284 | sbgodin, did you post something on sf.net about that? |
| 21:29.36 | Sbgodin | yes. |
| 21:29.40 | sgk284 | thought so |
| 21:29.42 | jpa_ | sgk284: no you have not :) |
| 21:29.52 | sgk284 | jpa_: lol |
| 21:29.53 | jpa_ | sgk284: you have only been a few hours there :) |
| 21:30.23 | sgk284 | Sbgodin, its just a new feature |
| 21:30.25 | Sbgodin | A simple line to modify. Line 660 of commands.cxx, to be sharp. |
| 21:30.39 | sgk284 | so people know something happened |
| 21:30.44 | Sbgodin | Why ? unban does only send message to whom who did it. |
| 21:30.51 | sgk284 | doesn't give any specific information |
| 21:31.16 | Sbgodin | I prefer them not to see it and doing "/me banner NICK because of his head" |
| 21:31.43 | sgk284 | yea there probably should be an option... but :/ |
| 21:32.25 | sgk284 | well i'm heading home, one of the other devs i'm sure has a wonderful reason why it is the way it is:) |
| 21:32.30 | brlcad | bans probably shouldn't be anonymous |
| 21:32.54 | Sbgodin | I wish "/ban pseudo/24"... |
| 21:33.16 | Sbgodin | \/24 is cidr, of course |
| 21:33.20 | brlcad | Sbgodin: you got a patch? :) |
| 21:33.33 | Sbgodin | I modified one line. |
| 21:33.50 | Sbgodin | I doesn't know very well doing diff/patch |
| 21:34.00 | jpa_ | http://arch.tuxee.net/archzoom.cgi/frederic@jolliton.com--2005-main/bzmap-patches-bzfs--bzflag2--0.1--patch-5/common/bzfs-cidr-ban.patch.1.10 |
| 21:34.12 | jpa_ | old - yes |
| 21:34.30 | Sbgodin | There is a patch ?! What isn't it in the tree ? |
| 21:34.41 | Sbgodin | (and for banning nickname, too) |
| 21:35.01 | jpa_ | there is a patch for 1.10.8 |
| 21:35.08 | Sbgodin | okay :-) |
| 21:35.15 | jpa_ | and i think fred just hasn't published it |
| 21:35.25 | Sbgodin | Another thing : when I connect with "sbgodin", I hang Cods' server. |
| 21:35.36 | Sbgodin | Every time |
| 21:35.56 | jpa_ | he could have one for bzfs 2.0 , too, but it is not there |
| 21:35.56 | brlcad | Sbgodin: not quite following.. what's the patch?? to just not announce it? |
| 21:36.18 | Daddo | Sbgodin: do you have the password entered in the client? |
| 21:36.40 | Sbgodin | Did not do a patch. I've just modified a simple variable to make the ban message go to me only |
| 21:36.58 | Sbgodin | I wondered why this message went to everybody. |
| 21:37.23 | Sbgodin | Not all the time. I use an account in "local.admin". |
| 21:37.42 | Daddo | Sbgodin: Try taking the password out of the client - if I use that option on Hepcat - I kill Hepcat |
| 21:38.09 | Daddo | or more precisely I know everyone off Hepcat |
| 21:38.20 | Daddo | s/know/knock |
| 21:38.22 | brlcad | Sbgodin: can you think of a tradeoff -- many want that to be announced to everyone |
| 21:38.26 | Sbgodin | OKay : the global login password :-o It's in the bzflag main screen. I should remove it ? |
| 21:38.30 | *** join/#bzflag linuxclub (~linuxclub@ppp-217-133-1-186.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 21:38.35 | brlcad | it's not exactly worthy of a new permission or option |
| 21:38.57 | Daddo | Sbgodin: just try it - it might or might not help |
| 21:39.17 | Sbgodin | I should try hepcat's ? Or Cods' without pass ? |
| 21:39.47 | Daddo | up to you - which do you want to 'crash' :) |
| 21:39.57 | jpa_ | :) |
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| 21:40.28 | Daddo | also - this is not 'proven' - just what i <think> is happening - i COULD be confused |
| 21:40.46 | Sbgodin | Hepcat is still alive after login with the global pass |
| 21:41.16 | Sbgodin | Cods' server is not online |
| 21:41.22 | Daddo | but you kill cods' server if you login the same way |
| 21:41.25 | Daddo | ? |
| 21:41.36 | Daddo | ah |
| 21:41.42 | Sbgodin | Yes. With only the global login. I change the nick and everything goes. |
| 21:42.04 | Sbgodin | (of course, very last cvs-ed bzflag client) |
| 21:42.45 | Daddo | i have tried Hepcat with released and cvs and I think I kill it with either |
| 21:43.08 | Daddo | but if I login with no password and use /identify everything is ok |
| 21:43.13 | jpa_ | i dont like these come-and-crash-my-server -bugs :S |
| 21:43.45 | Sbgodin | I tried yours, no problem ;-p |
| 21:43.50 | linuxclub | my believe is that player crashes with modified bzflist-er |
| 21:44.00 | Sbgodin | "/deregister" was nice, in his time :-) |
| 21:44.01 | linuxclub | if that, is fixed |
| 21:44.20 | Sbgodin | bzflist-er ? |
| 21:44.35 | linuxclub | program that use MsgQueryPlayers |
| 21:44.52 | Sbgodin | Why you or me ? Not other players ? |
| 21:45.29 | linuxclub | I got all player crashing all together |
| 21:45.45 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 21:45.54 | Sbgodin | Yes, but why only few players make the server crash and not each player who login ? |
| 21:45.59 | jpa_ | Sbgodin: so you tried something on river server? |
| 21:46.09 | jpa_ | Sbgodin: my bzadmin got stuck |
| 21:46.35 | linuxclub | Sbgodin, because is a modified client that make them crashes., Unless you saw other things ... |
| 21:46.45 | Sbgodin | no :-) I play on it, as usual. But I can play with my nickname. |
| 21:46.56 | jpa_ | ok |
| 21:46.57 | Sbgodin | My client is not modified. |
| 21:47.09 | jpa_ | so it is just one of these random crashes |
| 21:47.24 | Sbgodin | I'm on river, and there's no crash |
| 21:47.37 | linuxclub | and happens for some other cause then you connecting, No? |
| 21:47.38 | Sbgodin | It's NOT a random crash. It always happen when I connect on Fred's |
| 21:47.45 | jpa_ | yes |
| 21:47.55 | jpa_ | but my with my bzadmin, i mean |
| 21:47.56 | Sbgodin | Only this server and only with "sbgodin" as nickname. |
| 21:48.00 | jpa_ | it crashes all the time |
| 21:48.08 | Sbgodin | Okay. |
| 21:48.16 | jpa_ | let me try to be sbgodin on freds server :) |
| 21:48.46 | Daddo | jpa: there are 8 players on hepcat I can try the password thing with the released std client if you or anyone else wants to get on and sse if it does what I think it does |
| 21:48.57 | Sbgodin | Fred's is not online. |
| 21:49.19 | Daddo | the H is for Hepcat server |
| 21:49.20 | linuxclub | I don't think is funny :( |
| 21:49.30 | jpa_ | did not crash |
| 21:49.41 | *** join/#bzflag RPG (~RPG@c-24-15-87-171.client.comcast.net) |
| 21:49.43 | jpa_ | atleast i could connect fine as sbgodin without password |
| 21:49.45 | Daddo | I did not try to get on yet |
| 21:49.52 | Daddo | oh |
| 21:49.56 | Daddo | which server |
| 21:50.00 | jpa_ | freds |
| 21:50.45 | Daddo | I see if I kill Hepcat - I see you there |
| 21:50.46 | jpa_ | Sbgodin: so do you get the crash without password? |
| 21:51.26 | Daddo | ready? |
| 21:51.33 | Sbgodin | In fact, I tried with another nick and it worked. Did not take care of the password |
| 21:52.12 | amathis | brlcad: ping. |
| 21:52.16 | amathis | off |
| 21:52.21 | amathis | ww and wrong tab. |
| 21:52.25 | amathis | *oof |
| 21:52.29 | jpa_ | Sbgodin: but does sbgodin work without password? |
| 21:52.41 | Sbgodin | Did not try, I think. |
| 21:52.49 | Daddo | ok - my ultimate power is gone - no crash |
| 21:52.58 | Daddo | good |
| 21:53.14 | Sbgodin | Were you really logged (+) ? |
| 21:53.15 | Daddo | or I was hallucinating |
| 21:53.29 | brlcad | amathis: pong |
| 21:53.49 | brlcad | !seen |tim| |
| 21:53.50 | guu | brlcad: |tim| was last seen here 16 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 24 seconds ago saying: <|tim|> :) hey! |
| 21:53.57 | amathis | brlcad: wrong window, sorry :) |
| 21:54.13 | RPG | !seen RPG_ |
| 21:54.13 | guu | RPG: RPG_ was last seen here 5 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 52 minutes, and 24 seconds ago saying: <RPG_> ok thanks |
| 22:00.28 | Sbgodin | !seen sbgodin |
| 22:00.29 | guu | Sbgodin: sbgodin was last seen here 7 minutes and 12 seconds ago saying: <Sbgodin> Were you really logged (+) ? |
| 22:00.38 | Sbgodin | lol. Nice command :-) |
| 22:00.48 | Sbgodin | !seen cods |
| 22:00.48 | guu | Sbgodin: cods was last seen here 3 hours, 45 minutes, and 22 seconds ago saying: <cods> yes |
| 22:06.36 | *** join/#bzflag learner (~brlcad@brlcad.bronze.supporter.pdpc) |
| 22:06.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by ChanServ |
| 22:06.48 | Sbgodin | Do someone have numbers of bandwith needed by bzfs with the amount of players ? |
| 22:08.35 | learner | http://db.bzflag.bz/usage/ |
| 22:08.43 | learner | http://db.bzflag.bz/usage/secretplace_usage.png |
| 22:09.08 | Sbgodin | So simple :-o |
| 22:09.33 | DTRemenak | hm, that's a tad lower than what I've been hitting |
| 22:10.24 | learner | DTRemenak: 10 shot? |
| 22:10.32 | DTRemenak | learner: seven |
| 22:10.40 | learner | shot count's going to be big factor |
| 22:10.45 | DTRemenak | brad's world |
| 22:10.53 | learner | plus that's pre-tweak |
| 22:11.05 | learner | http://db.bzflag.bz/usage/tolerance_tweak/secretplace_outbound.png |
| 22:11.08 | DTRemenak | heh, I said that the graph is _lower_ than what I've been getting :) |
| 22:11.09 | Sbgodin | Okay. 128kbps ==> 15max |
| 22:11.42 | jpa_ | humm? |
| 22:11.43 | DTRemenak | Sbgodin: the graphs are in kilobytes not kilobits |
| 22:11.51 | jpa_ | is that really kilo_bytes_ ? |
| 22:12.06 | learner | DTRemenak: ahh, interesting .. wonder why |
| 22:12.35 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 22:12.36 | learner | Sbgodin, heh no |
| 22:12.45 | jpa_ | i wouldn't think that usage is so high |
| 22:12.46 | learner | ~128.0 / 8.0 |
| 22:12.47 | ibot | 16 |
| 22:12.48 | DTRemenak | learner: only thing I can think of is that he has way too many gms on that map, and gms send their own updates |
| 22:13.04 | learner | Sbgodin 16000 .. |
| 22:13.05 | Sbgodin | Okay :-/ 8 players. It's the settings that I've done by myself. |
| 22:13.26 | learner | Sbgodin, no .. not 8 |
| 22:13.48 | Sbgodin | 10, in fact. 64Ko/s ==> ~10 players. |
| 22:14.09 | learner | 16000 is roughly 1/4th 50000.. which is about 3-5 players |
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| 22:15.07 | learner | you're reading the graph wrong, I think .. you can only push 16000 bytes per second.. look at the numbers on the left side going vertical |
| 22:15.15 | Sbgodin | I'm very wrong, today. You're right. And I run three maps with 8 players max each. |
| 22:15.29 | DTRemenak | Sbgodin: better hope they never fill up :) |
| 22:15.32 | learner | and you have to account for inbound and outbound |
| 22:15.43 | jpa_ | hmm.. if those figures are true, with average total of 3players, i will run out of my monthly ~10GByte transfer limit in 10 days |
| 22:15.54 | learner | Sbgodin, and I think I've played on them.. wings map with square boxes? |
| 22:16.06 | learner | maxed out at around 4-5 players before lag skyrockets |
| 22:16.23 | Sbgodin | No. Mario's map and sid's. |
| 22:17.19 | Sbgodin | I'll stay to two servers with a limit of eight players. |
| 22:18.03 | jpa_ | on river map, my 512Kbit upstream could have 12 players without too much lag |
| 22:18.29 | jpa_ | that is quite much the same as in the figure |
| 22:18.43 | sgk284 | jpa_: 10 GB monthly limit? |
| 22:18.54 | *** part/#bzflag linuxclub (~linuxclub@ppp-217-133-1-186.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 22:19.04 | jpa_ | sgk284: on the shell server river and ocean are running now |
| 22:19.07 | SilverFox | jpa_, I love that river map, btw. |
| 22:19.10 | sgk284 | heh |
| 22:19.26 | DTRemenak | jpa_: don't include bzadmin in your playercounts |
| 22:19.28 | learner | Sbgodin, heh, i just joined one of yours.. 4 players.. lag was peaking |
| 22:19.32 | sgk284 | did anyone confirm daddo's hepcat crash? i'm home now and i can give it a shot if not |
| 22:19.54 | learner | Sbgodin, you really can't handle 8 players on even 1 server |
| 22:19.58 | learner | not with 128 |
| 22:20.23 | learner | that's barely feasible on a 256 line |
| 22:20.32 | learner | low shot count |
| 22:20.59 | DTRemenak | far cry from dialup |
| 22:21.23 | sgk284 | anyone ever think of applying something like http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-321.pdf to bzflag? |
| 22:21.34 | sgk284 | it couldnt hurt :) |
| 22:22.04 | jpa_ | nah.. tell the contents |
| 22:22.15 | jpa_ | i'm too tired to open pdf |
| 22:22.22 | sgk284 | lol |
| 22:22.34 | sgk284 | you must run windows... adobe's pdf viewer is hellish |
| 22:22.44 | jpa_ | no i dont :) |
| 22:22.53 | DTRemenak | gpdf is worse |
| 22:23.02 | sgk284 | xpdf is the ticket:) |
| 22:23.03 | learner | jpa_, yes it would eat up 10GB pretty easily. secretplace consumes over a full 1Mbit sustained |
| 22:23.04 | jpa_ | but, even copying that url is too much now |
| 22:23.07 | Sbgodin | learner: It's my life :-( I'd like to have a nice upstream... |
| 22:23.12 | learner | jpa_: that's over 320GB/month |
| 22:23.18 | jpa_ | learner: how evil |
| 22:23.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:23.27 | jpa_ | why isn't bzflag p2p? |
| 22:23.40 | DTRemenak | jpa_: how much worse do you want the cheating to get? :) |
| 22:23.54 | learner | that wouldn't decrease the GB/month really |
| 22:24.08 | learner | and lag could be horrid |
| 22:24.18 | jpa_ | hmph |
| 22:24.40 | learner | at least resolving lag differences |
| 22:24.42 | jpa_ | someone could just donate me an account to server with fast connection without monthly limits, then |
| 22:24.53 | Sbgodin | <aol>Me too</aol> |
| 22:25.21 | learner | provide some patches or other contributions and maybe someone would offer |
| 22:25.23 | learner | ;) |
| 22:25.50 | jpa_ | dont think so |
| 22:26.04 | jpa_ | people just are either nice by default or not nice |
| 22:26.19 | learner | so which are you? |
| 22:26.31 | jpa_ | nice by default :) |
| 22:27.46 | learner | giving you a trusted unlimited account for free involves a great deal of trust, little to do with being nice |
| 22:28.03 | DTRemenak | if the use policies didn't prohibit it, and if I had enough cpu power, I'd offer. I like your maps :) |
| 22:28.11 | jpa_ | learner: of course |
| 22:28.20 | learner | you've not been around much or done much to gain that level of trust (yet) |
| 22:28.42 | jpa_ | learner: but i mean, if one does not trust a person, does just making some patches change it? |
| 22:29.00 | learner | "or other contributions" |
| 22:29.09 | learner | i meant just generally being positively involved |
| 22:29.15 | DTRemenak | jpa_: it's a matter of going from "don't know the guy" to "he hasn't screwed me so far" :) |
| 22:29.17 | amathis | jeez |
| 22:29.23 | amathis | I wish I was good with writing and english. |
| 22:29.57 | learner | amathis: I wish you were too :) |
| 22:30.08 | amathis | ~bzfrag learner |
| 22:30.14 | ibot | ACTION squishes learner with a steamroller |
| 22:30.30 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, with a 10GB upstream, how many players can your server have? |
| 22:30.33 | sgk284 | about |
| 22:30.38 | DTRemenak | sgk284: say what? |
| 22:30.47 | sgk284 | didnt you say you had a 10gb upstream? |
| 22:30.48 | DTRemenak | I have 10mb both directions |
| 22:30.52 | sgk284 | oh lol |
| 22:30.57 | DTRemenak | mbps, not gbpm |
| 22:30.57 | sgk284 | heh |
| 22:31.05 | jpa_ | well, hopefully my maps won't be too popular, and they don't have system to monitor traffic to invidual ports :) |
| 22:31.22 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, i read that really wrong... |
| 22:31.25 | sgk284 | lol |
| 22:31.29 | DTRemenak | sgk284: let's just say I haven't found a limit yet |
| 22:31.40 | sgk284 | k |
| 22:31.51 | jpa_ | 10gb connection.. wonder what will i dream about next night :) |
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| 22:32.13 | DTRemenak | I know I can push about 8 megs a second consistently. The highest I've ever gotten bzfs is to about 130 kbps with 14 players |
| 22:32.27 | learner | ~10.0 * 8.0 * 1024.0 |
| 22:32.28 | ibot | 81920 |
| 22:32.49 | learner | ehh |
| 22:32.54 | sgk284 | learner what do those numbers represent? |
| 22:33.07 | learner | not what I intended :) |
| 22:33.24 | sgk284 | heh okay |
| 22:33.46 | learner | ~(10.0 / 8.0) * 1024.0 |
| 22:33.47 | ibot | 1280 |
| 22:33.55 | learner | ~1280 1024 * p |
| 22:34.00 | learner | er |
| 22:34.07 | learner | ~1280 * 1024 |
| 22:34.08 | ibot | 1310720 |
| 22:34.11 | DTRemenak | learner: what are you doing? |
| 22:34.12 | learner | that's more like it |
| 22:34.23 | learner | so on that secretplace graph.. |
| 22:34.32 | jpa_ | learner: rpn <3 |
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| 22:34.51 | learner | that's 1210720 bytes per second with 10Mbit |
| 22:34.54 | sgk284 | jpa_: except that p still wouldnt parse :) |
| 22:35.04 | learner | man, I'm full of typos today |
| 22:35.14 | sgk284 | eh i'm full of typos everyday |
| 22:35.23 | jpa_ | sgk284: why not? |
| 22:35.25 | learner | the graph ends at 250000 with 25 players |
| 22:35.36 | sgk284 | infact the previous sentence is probsbly the only thing i'll type all day without a typo |
| 22:35.38 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:35.45 | sgk284 | jpa_: why would it? |
| 22:35.49 | learner | so roughly 5 servers with 25 players on 10Mbit |
| 22:35.51 | jpa_ | sgk284: p means print |
| 22:35.56 | jpa_ | try with dc :) |
| 22:36.14 | sgk284 | oh.. well in that case yea, but thats a dc thing:) |
| 22:36.18 | sgk284 | heh |
| 22:36.26 | jpa_ | :) |
| 22:36.34 | sgk284 | thats like saying 2 + 4p means print 6 |
| 22:36.36 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 22:36.38 | learner | it's an rpn thing, which dc happens to use ;) |
| 22:36.51 | SilverFox | ;P |
| 22:37.29 | DTRemenak | ~bzflist |
| 22:37.41 | DTRemenak | heh, 125 players |
| 22:37.49 | jpa_ | think about bandwidth |
| 22:37.59 | DTRemenak | so I could theoretically do 5 servers of 25 players and accomodate everyone who's playing right now :) |
| 22:38.25 | DTRemenak | that would probably get me BoC'ed :) |
| 22:38.26 | SilverFox | you might reach that limit... |
| 22:38.47 | SilverFox | ~dict BoC |
| 22:39.01 | SilverFox | DTRemenak, what is BoC? |
| 22:39.02 | DTRemenak | the Board of Control is responsible for enforcing the honor code |
| 22:39.15 | SilverFox | w/sourceforge? |
| 22:39.21 | DTRemenak | no, at caltech |
| 22:39.27 | learner | the folks that might Ban'em Off Campus ;) |
| 22:39.29 | SilverFox | hehe.. I see. |
| 22:39.32 | Nidhoggr | I actually played for a little while this morning. :) |
| 22:39.35 | Nidhoggr | w00 |
| 22:39.44 | DTRemenak | http://donut.caltech.edu/about/boc/ |
| 22:39.52 | learner | mmm.. donuts |
| 22:39.56 | Nidhoggr | hi learner |
| 22:40.06 | learner | howdy Nivex |
| 22:40.09 | learner | er, Nidhoggr |
| 22:40.10 | Nidhoggr | hi DTRemenak and SilverFox |
| 22:40.12 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:40.14 | DTRemenak | hi Nidhoggr |
| 22:40.21 | Nidhoggr | and jpa! |
| 22:40.30 | Nidhoggr | ~jpa++ |
| 22:40.35 | Nidhoggr | ooops |
| 22:40.38 | Nidhoggr | ~jpa_++ |
| 22:40.44 | Nidhoggr | irssi is cool. |
| 22:40.58 | Nidhoggr | I downloaded newest and now I won't accidentally paste a whole page into the channel. :) |
| 22:40.59 | SilverFox | Is there a record for most players on one map? |
| 22:41.13 | SilverFox | hello! |
| 22:41.17 | Nidhoggr | SilverFox: we had 50 on during the big slashdotting. |
| 22:41.22 | Nidhoggr | and 5 observers. |
| 22:41.25 | SilverFox | sweet. |
| 22:41.27 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:41.33 | jpa_ | what am i getting ++ for? :) |
| 22:41.35 | Nidhoggr | it was exciting and slightly expensive. :) |
| 22:41.36 | learner | that's probably the highest yet |
| 22:41.41 | Nidhoggr | for being a new you :) |
| 22:41.51 | learner | not counting folks with bot servers |
| 22:42.05 | amathis | Nidhoggr: really?! |
| 22:42.07 | Nidhoggr | ~learner++ |
| 22:42.09 | amathis | Nidhoggr: can I have 20 bucks? |
| 22:42.16 | learner | ~amathis-- |
| 22:42.19 | jpa_ | Nidhoggr: nice :) |
| 22:42.19 | SilverFox | learner, I dislike bot servers. it'd be nice if the list server took that into account when listing servers. |
| 22:42.25 | amathis | :( |
| 22:42.25 | Nidhoggr | dude: you were already a victim of my generosity. :) |
| 22:42.34 | SilverFox | ouch! |
| 22:42.47 | jpa_ | Nidhoggr: i would ++ you if irssi would tab-complete with ~ in front of nick :) |
| 22:42.58 | Nidhoggr | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 22:42.58 | amathis | ~Nidhoggr++ |
| 22:43.00 | jpa_ | ~nidhoggr++ |
| 22:43.00 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:43.06 | SilverFox | ~amathis++ |
| 22:43.12 | Nidhoggr | ~amathis++ |
| 22:43.12 | amathis | w00t |
| 22:43.14 | amathis | back up to 13 |
| 22:43.16 | amathis | er 14 |
| 22:43.24 | jpa_ | ~amathis++ |
| 22:43.26 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:43.28 | amathis | :P |
| 22:43.32 | Nidhoggr | have fun |
| 22:43.42 | amathis | Nidhoggr: almost got site done, your will be next. |
| 22:43.48 | Nidhoggr | cool :) |
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| 22:44.06 | Nidhoggr | I got the new iLife and iWork today. |
| 22:44.08 | SilverFox | I need to get some new hardware... |
| 22:44.16 | bz8130 | hi |
| 22:44.21 | Nidhoggr | hi bz8130 |
| 22:44.48 | bz8130 | i have a couple of questions about v2.0.0, if you don't mind me asking |
| 22:44.50 | Nidhoggr | SilverFox: I can only get decent deals on old server hardware. :) |
| 22:44.53 | Nidhoggr | sure. |
| 22:44.55 | Nidhoggr | ask away |
| 22:44.59 | Nidhoggr | if we can help, we will. |
| 22:45.09 | bz8130 | on the whole it works pretty well, but... |
| 22:45.20 | bz8130 | text redrawing is very slow with small fonts |
| 22:45.40 | bz8130 | with large fonts i get 30fps, with small fonts 4fps |
| 22:45.46 | Nidhoggr | wow. |
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| 22:46.02 | DTRemenak | bz8130: what graphics card? |
| 22:46.04 | Nidhoggr | I have a v fast vid card on my PC, and sorta quick on my mac. |
| 22:46.06 | bz8130 | i'm referring to the fonts on the scoreboard |
| 22:46.33 | SilverFox | Nidhoggr, I'll just put together a x86 from newegg.com |
| 22:46.37 | bz8130 | ati mach64 |
| 22:47.03 | bz8130 | note: not a problem with v1.10.6 |
| 22:47.05 | Nidhoggr | SilverFox: I am getting old Sun Cobalts for 50 bucks apiece. :) |
| 22:47.14 | Nidhoggr | 256 mb ram and 20 gig drives. |
| 22:47.32 | Nidhoggr | most have bad fans, so replacing costs about 30 bucks per box. |
| 22:47.40 | Nidhoggr | they are pretty though. |
| 22:47.47 | Nidhoggr | http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/rackfront.jpg |
| 22:47.58 | DTRemenak | bz8130: old ati cards tend to be hit pretty hard by the new font system. seems they don't like the number of texture lists we're pushing. |
| 22:48.09 | bz8130 | oh, i see. |
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| 22:48.35 | bz8130 | why does the font size matter so much? |
| 22:48.39 | Chestal | bz8130: you can try the alternative font renderer, it cannot do scaling, but maybe it works faster for you. |
| 22:48.40 | Nidhoggr | you can get a new nvidia card that works great for about 30 bucks, though. |
| 22:48.54 | bz8130 | thanks, chestal. how do i do that? |
| 22:48.56 | DTRemenak | bz8130: because there's more letters on the screen when the font size is smaller...which means more texture lists |
| 22:49.14 | bz8130 | am using laptop, so new vidcard not really an option |
| 22:49.16 | Chestal | bz8130: put "set useBitmapFontRenderer 1" into your config file |
| 22:49.22 | Nidhoggr | aah. |
| 22:49.30 | bz8130 | chestal: i'll try that thanks. |
| 22:49.39 | Chestal | bz8130: I wrote it for myself :-) I am using software rendering |
| 22:49.53 | Chestal | it's only meant as a last ressort, though |
| 22:50.04 | bz8130 | dtremenak: the difference in fps also occurs when there are the same number of characters appearing |
| 22:50.14 | DTRemenak | bz8130: that's odd |
| 22:50.27 | bz8130 | dtremenak: for example, when the whole scoreboard will fit on the screen when displayed in the larger font |
| 22:50.55 | jpa_ | so fps doesnt drop is scoreboard is off? |
| 22:50.58 | Chestal | small fonts are drawn a bit differently, they are forced to nearest filtering |
| 22:51.07 | Chestal | but I wouldn't expect that to be slower |
| 22:51.35 | bz8130 | chestal: funny you should mention that. i tried hacking the code to apply nearest filtering to large fonts, but , alas, no noticeable diff. |
| 22:51.36 | Chestal | maybe the filter mode changes hurt your GL somehow |
| 22:51.52 | DTRemenak | bz8130: where do you notice the difference? between the largest two or the smallest two? |
| 22:51.59 | Chestal | bz8130: does it make a differenc when you use dfferent texture settings? |
| 22:52.40 | bz8130 | dtremenak: as soon as I step down to size 3 (out of 4) there is an immediate performance hit, but it seems to get worse with smaller fonts than that |
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| 22:53.07 | DTRemenak | bz8130: between the largest two there's a scaling change also |
| 22:53.17 | DTRemenak | beyond that you shouldn't notice any difference |
| 22:53.25 | bz8130 | dtremenak: a scaling change? |
| 22:53.45 | bz8130 | dtremenak: is that just the size? |
| 22:54.00 | DTRemenak | large fonts are scaled to fit exactly. small fonts are drawn without the scaling. |
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| 22:54.23 | DTRemenak | mm, is there a scanlemon too? |
| 22:54.33 | bz8130 | dtremenak: could i change the code the make scaling apply to all? |
| 22:54.45 | DTRemenak | bz8130: scaling should slow it down, if anything :) |
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| 22:54.51 | DTRemenak | more steps |
| 22:55.25 | jpa_ | gnight |
| 22:55.30 | DTRemenak | night jpa_ |
| 22:55.37 | bz8130 | dtremenak: i'm willing to consider anything, however improbable |
| 22:56.21 | bz8130 | ok. second question: bzflag crashes if tank trackmarks are set to "off" |
| 22:56.30 | DTRemenak | bz8130: FontManager.cxx:507 |
| 22:56.43 | bz8130 | dtremenak: thanks. |
| 22:56.59 | bz8130 | dtremenak: will look at it. |
| 22:57.19 | DTRemenak | it changes at 14 px, second-largest is 12 and largest is 16, so it switches between them. |
| 22:57.56 | learner | night jpa_ |
| 22:58.05 | bz8130 | dtremenak: ok. i'll report back if i can make any changes to that improve things. |
| 22:58.16 | DTRemenak | thanks :) |
| 22:58.22 | SilverFox | ~bzflist hepcat.tybox.net:5157 |
| 22:58.35 | bz8130 | dtremenak: ok. about those trackmarks |
| 22:58.46 | SilverFox | ~hepcat.tybox.net:5157 |
| 22:58.50 | bz8130 | bzflag crashes with them turned off |
| 22:59.04 | SilverFox | turned off by client or server? |
| 22:59.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 22:59.14 | bz8130 | if i comment out the two function calls that produce them, they disappear, and there are no crashes |
| 22:59.25 | bz8130 | turned off by client |
| 22:59.29 | SilverFox | ~bzquery hepcat.tybox.net:5157 |
| 22:59.33 | DTRemenak | bz8130: can you run it through a debugger? |
| 22:59.37 | SilverFox | I turn them off in the client, but it doesn't crash. |
| 22:59.41 | DTRemenak | a backtrace would be great |
| 22:59.45 | SilverFox | it doesn't make them go away either. ;) |
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| 23:00.40 | bz8130 | i can tell you which lines were commented, if you want to know |
| 23:01.03 | DTRemenak | bz8130: not sure how much that would help. knowing where it's actually crashing is more valuable. |
| 23:01.07 | DTRemenak | bz8130: what os? |
| 23:01.19 | SilverFox | hmm... no one wants to play the two towers on my server... |
| 23:01.22 | bz8130 | linux debian/sarge with x.org |
| 23:01.43 | bz8130 | also crashes with debian/testing |
| 23:01.53 | DTRemenak | same machine, or different? |
| 23:01.57 | bz8130 | same |
| 23:02.28 | DTRemenak | doesn't crash here, on slackware10/x.org |
| 23:02.29 | bz8130 | have tried pre-compiled packages and self-compiled src downloaded from sourceforge |
| 23:02.54 | SilverFox | mine is winblows client, and doesn't crash. |
| 23:03.41 | Chestal | bz8130: when does it crash? on startup? when you change the setting? during play? |
| 23:04.05 | bz8130 | very shortly after play has begun |
| 23:04.19 | bz8130 | though not always immediately |
| 23:04.36 | Chestal | bz8130: is that with direct rendering? |
| 23:04.39 | bz8130 | it does happen every time, though, so it is 100% reproducible |
| 23:05.03 | bz8130 | yes, direct rendering using the DIR mach64 kernel module |
| 23:05.07 | bz8130 | DIR |
| 23:05.09 | bz8130 | DRI |
| 23:05.17 | bz8130 | sheesh... fingers |
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| 23:05.48 | Chestal | coudl you try with indirect rendering? Setting env var LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT should force that, at least for some glx setups |
| 23:06.10 | bz8130 | yes, i'll try that. |
| 23:06.18 | bz8130 | one moment please... |
| 23:06.49 | bz8130 | btw, what do you set that var to? "true" or "yes" or "1" or anything? |
| 23:07.13 | Chestal | I have set it to 1, not sure if existence is enough |
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| 23:08.05 | tea|tree | whats ACPI ? |
| 23:08.26 | Chestal | ~acpi |
| 23:08.28 | ibot | i guess acpi is (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) This power management interface takes the power management out of the BIOS and gives control to the OS. Typically, a system's BIOS is only able to turn a device off after a certain period of inactivity. With ACPI, the user can instruct the OS to slow down the processor or enter sleep mode. This basically ... |
| 23:09.56 | tea|tree | thx |
| 23:13.34 | *** join/#bzflag linuxclub (~linuxclub@ppp-217-133-1-186.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:19.19 | bz8130 | i need further time to test the trackmark thing. i can't get it to crash even with direct rendering now, but i need to check that i'm using the unhacked client |
| 23:22.22 | bz8130 | hello? |
| 23:22.35 | DTRemenak | nobody's in a hurry, take as much time as you need. |
| 23:22.57 | bz8130 | have tried the " set useBitmapFontRenderer 1" suggestion. much faster! thanks very much. |
| 23:23.48 | bz8130 | i get a funny block thing to mark the selected item in menus, but i can live with that. |
| 23:25.36 | bz8130 | when i have a spare moment, i'll look again at the font rendering code and see if i can find anything that would produce a similar improvement without that setting being...erm... set :) |
| 23:25.51 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 23:26.25 | bz8130 | regarding the trackmarks: i wonder if the problem only occurs on some servers. |
| 23:26.28 | DTRemenak | I don't think you'll find anything though. They're completely different methods |
| 23:26.40 | DTRemenak | bz8130: if so, it'd be nice to know which servers :) |
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| 23:27.52 | bz8130 | one of them was the "disconnected" grassroots map server |
| 23:29.15 | bz8130 | bzflag.disconnected.de:515x |
| 23:34.28 | bz8130 | i must say, i'm really impressed with the new bzflag. i had worried that it'd be to much of a burden for my old hardware to bear, but, if anything, it's faster than the old version. |
| 23:35.26 | bz8130 | and with the bitmap rendering, i can now have the scoreboard and control panel turned on, which is always a help:) |
| 23:35.52 | Chestal | I'm glad that there are now 2 persons who use it :-) |
| 23:36.37 | bz8130 | do anyone know if bzflag0.gamesunited.de is going over to v2.0 anytime soon? |
| 23:37.09 | bz8130 | i'm not sure if that's a good or bad idea |
| 23:38.16 | bz8130 | it would suit me, but not everyone, i think |
| 23:38.18 | Nidhoggr | I would imagine that everyone will eventually convert. |
| 23:38.22 | Nidhoggr | might take some time. |
| 23:38.28 | Nidhoggr | until all the bugs are worked out |
| 23:38.44 | Nidhoggr | I was going to shut off my 1.10 server on tuesday, but I might reconsider. |
| 23:39.05 | bz8130 | i've downloaded the gameunited map, and it almost works, apart from the "crows feet" - the feet of the support pole thingies. |
| 23:40.10 | bz8130 | nidhoggr: i'd like to think that people who use older versions of bzflag still have somewhere to go |
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| 23:40.53 | Nidhoggr | bz8130: I had a 1.7 map for a short time after 1.10 came out... but it just doesn't make sense to keep a map running for each version. |
| 23:40.59 | Sbgodin | Something news about Cod's : When I log without pass, it works. With (wrong or good) it hangs. |
| 23:42.13 | bz8130 | does the new bzflag automatically sign you in, so to speak, or do you still have to type "/identify <...>" |
| 23:42.18 | bz8130 | ? |
| 23:42.31 | Thumper_ | bz8130: with global logins it automatically signs you ni |
| 23:42.32 | Nidhoggr | it's automatic if you fill in the password block. |
| 23:42.36 | Thumper_ | in* using your bzbb account |
| 23:42.54 | bz8130 | that's good. |
| 23:43.35 | bz8130 | i'm not quite sure what a global login is, though. does that refer to a globally registered callsign? |
| 23:44.21 | Pizbit | Yeah |
| 23:44.28 | bz8130 | thanks. |
| 23:44.29 | Pizbit | Register on the forums and use that nick/pass |
| 23:45.13 | bz8130 | i guess that would stop people impersonating me, though, with my pathetic playings skills, i doubt anyone would be very interested in doing that :) |
| 23:45.33 | Pizbit | Heh |
| 23:45.47 | Pizbit | Did you notice the little characters beside some people's names? |
| 23:46.07 | bz8130 | i've seen some plus signs. |
| 23:46.20 | bz8130 | are they an example of what you mean? |
| 23:46.26 | Pizbit | Yeah |
| 23:46.49 | bz8130 | what do they mean, please? |
| 23:46.57 | Pizbit | I believe the + signs are the ones saying that they have logged in globally, could be another symbol though heh |
| 23:47.08 | bz8130 | i see.. |
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| 23:47.38 | DTRemenak | + means that they are who they claim to be (their password was correct). @ means that they can ban you. |
| 23:47.39 | bz8130 | so it doesn't denote a positive outlook |
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| 23:48.15 | Pizbit | Heh |
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| 23:55.23 | bz2590 | dtremenak et. al.: i logged out before i meant to, but must go now anyway. thanks for all your advice on fonts and tanktracks. |
| 23:55.38 | DTRemenak | bz2590: no problem, thanks for dropping by. |
| 23:56.01 | bz2590 | cheerio! |
