| 00:01.50 | ep | configure to create the make file was a success. So next, I simply run make as user and then make install as root, correct? No options necessary? |
| 00:03.08 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:05.43 | ep | Also, I still have the old 1.10 installed, i can remove this if necessary via mandrakes package uninstall. Can I just leave it? |
| 00:06.19 | blast007 | make install will probably overwrite 1.10 |
| 00:06.22 | DTRemenak | 2.0 might overwrite it |
| 00:07.22 | Pizbit_ | Eh/ |
| 00:07.33 | Pizbit_ | make install would go into /usr/local/ |
| 00:07.59 | Pizbit | ep: I would uninstall 1.10 with the package manager before doing the make install |
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| 00:13.10 | libjuice | hi all |
| 00:13.25 | ep | Pizbit, yeah, i kinda came to that conclusion... I'm running make now. I'll uninstall if all goes well... |
| 00:13.56 | blast007 | libjuice: hello |
| 00:14.19 | libjuice | In the config, under linux, there is an "audio config" section, and under that a "driver" option. What values can I use here? |
| 00:15.43 | libjuice | Does bzflag support / there plans to support artsd? I have this crappy no-h/w-mixing soundcard, and alsa dmix is giving me problems... |
| 00:15.55 | JeffM2501 | it can use SDL |
| 00:16.05 | JeffM2501 | and SDL can use a couple things |
| 00:16.09 | libjuice | Just wanna listen to music while I blow tanks to bits... :) |
| 00:16.18 | JeffM2501 | install windows :) |
| 00:16.24 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:16.27 | Pizbit | libjuice: Just blow up tanks so fast it sounds like music:) |
| 00:16.35 | DTRemenak | ~whaleslap JeffM2501 |
| 00:16.37 | ibot | ACTION slaps JeffM2501 upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 00:16.37 | libjuice | har har. Yes I can't wait to get all those virus problems again. |
| 00:16.37 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 00:16.46 | libjuice | lol piz |
| 00:16.48 | Pizbit | Poor hugh. |
| 00:16.53 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, don't blame me that nix hasn't goten it's sound APIs all together |
| 00:17.07 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: works for me :P |
| 00:17.17 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it does |
| 00:17.54 | libjuice | Works on my nasty old desktop, but laptop h/w is naf. This soundcard is a pile o pants. |
| 00:18.52 | JeffM2501 | dosn't look like the value is actualy used, just to output to the screen on startup |
| 00:19.05 | libjuice | Ah. |
| 00:19.35 | libjuice | A space for future development. |
| 00:19.43 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:19.45 | JeffM2501 | well I may not be checking nix |
| 00:19.48 | JeffM2501 | hang on |
| 00:19.51 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't use it |
| 00:20.37 | libjuice | It'd be nice to modularise the audio drivers. I'm sure someone would be happy to add artsd support if the framework was nice and easy to play with. |
| 00:20.40 | JeffM2501 | on nix with SDL it sets the SDL_AUDIODRIVER environ variable |
| 00:20.42 | ep | I think I'll delete the config file in my home directory also (after i back it up) |
| 00:20.48 | JeffM2501 | to be what ever string you put in there |
| 00:21.03 | libjuice | upper case "SDL"? |
| 00:21.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:21.14 | JeffM2501 | that's copied right from the code |
| 00:21.16 | libjuice | I pick box would be nicer than a text entry... :) |
| 00:21.18 | JeffM2501 | so I'd check your SDL docs |
| 00:21.24 | libjuice | Sure thing. |
| 00:21.26 | JeffM2501 | and see what posible setings you can have |
| 00:21.33 | JeffM2501 | since it's just basicly passed right to SDL |
| 00:21.39 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosnt' realy DO anything with it |
| 00:21.43 | libjuice | Thank for the help. I shall do just that. |
| 00:21.51 | JeffM2501 | are you using an SDL build? |
| 00:21.58 | DTRemenak | "arts" should set it to use artsd |
| 00:22.00 | libjuice | If I find anything interesting, I'll put something in the wiki. |
| 00:22.15 | DTRemenak | "alsa" is alsa, and "dsp" is dsp. boy, they're creative. |
| 00:22.23 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:22.25 | libjuice | Right. Give me two mins, I'll give it a try. |
| 00:23.22 | JeffM2501 | native X builds don't use it at all ( the ones that use "linuxMedia" ) |
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| 00:25.38 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 00:25.58 | DTRemenak | the full list is here: http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDL_5fenvvars?action=highlight&value=SDL_AUDIODRIVER |
| 00:26.05 | libjuice | Hmm, export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=arts ; bzflag... I modified the Driver and Device to SDL, quit and re-started, but no audio. |
| 00:26.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by purple_cow |
| 00:26.26 | libjuice | OK, I'll have a chew on it and see what I can find out. |
| 00:26.28 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 00:26.31 | DTRemenak | Driver will set SDL_AUDIODRIVER |
| 00:26.38 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*503a2aeb@*.bzflag.bz] by JeffM2501 |
| 00:26.38 | *** kick/#bzflag [AMIGAY!~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 00:26.43 | DTRemenak | leave them blank if you're setting the env vars by hand |
| 00:26.44 | libjuice | Aha! |
| 00:26.49 | libjuice | OK, I'll try again. |
| 00:28.11 | creeperz | who was amigay? |
| 00:28.29 | JeffM2501 | some lamer |
| 00:28.39 | JeffM2501 | add some spaces to the name |
| 00:28.44 | JeffM2501 | you'll see why |
| 00:29.06 | libjuice | No, I set the audio config values to SDL / arts, and I get this when I restart: "Couldn't open audio: No available audio device" |
| 00:29.43 | JeffM2501 | does the SDL need to be built with support for the various audio libs? |
| 00:30.04 | libjuice | possibly. I'm using gentoo, let me check my build flags. |
| 00:30.18 | DTRemenak | "Driver" should be "arts", "Device" should be "default" |
| 00:30.33 | DTRemenak | that will tell it to use the default arts device |
| 00:30.37 | libjuice | "default" or blank? |
| 00:30.47 | blast007 | 503a2aeb == 80.58.42.235 |
| 00:30.51 | DTRemenak | blank should work, but no guarantees... |
| 00:31.01 | JeffM2501 | know who that is blast? |
| 00:31.15 | blast007 | nope |
| 00:31.23 | libjuice | nope |
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| 00:31.42 | siimo | hi how do i get tank lebels to show? L key doesnt work for me |
| 00:31.43 | JeffM2501 | well at least they got the IP stuff at the start of the hostname now |
| 00:31.46 | siimo | is this server specific |
| 00:31.47 | libjuice | let me check my build flags before I go further |
| 00:31.56 | blast007 | siimo: only works in Observer mode |
| 00:32.16 | siimo | oh i see so you can never know which tank is what? unless you see them using their flag ? |
| 00:32.29 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 00:32.33 | JeffM2501 | or riht click |
| 00:32.39 | blast007 | right clicking with them in your view will tell you how it is, what team they are on, and what flag they have |
| 00:32.41 | JeffM2501 | when they are in view |
| 00:32.48 | blast007 | who it is* |
| 00:32.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah what he said |
| 00:32.56 | siimo | is there a keyboard key for that? |
| 00:33.00 | libjuice | gentoo thinks everything was built with arts and SDL. Is there a way of asking the bzflag executable to dump what it was compiled with? |
| 00:33.00 | blast007 | 'i' |
| 00:33.01 | JeffM2501 | I |
| 00:33.06 | siimo | ok thanks |
| 00:33.23 | libjuice | BTW sound works OK with regular default drivers / no artsd |
| 00:33.35 | JeffM2501 | libjuice, in your video mode setup do you have a bunch of difrent refresh rates? or just a list of resoultions? |
| 00:33.47 | JeffM2501 | SDL dosn't show refresh rates |
| 00:33.47 | siimo | right key didnt work for me |
| 00:33.51 | JeffM2501 | so it's any easy way to see |
| 00:33.52 | siimo | or i |
| 00:34.03 | siimo | click |
| 00:34.05 | JeffM2501 | siimo, were they in your target botx? |
| 00:34.11 | libjuice | I have LCD, so X is pretty limiting about refresh. |
| 00:34.21 | JeffM2501 | SDL dosn't show ANY refresh |
| 00:34.28 | JeffM2501 | native X will show at least 1 |
| 00:34.30 | siimo | oh no they need to be in the small square? |
| 00:34.39 | JeffM2501 | they should be in the big square |
| 00:34.45 | JeffM2501 | close to the small one |
| 00:34.46 | blast007 | siimo: also, if they have Stealth, it won't show them |
| 00:34.51 | libjuice | I just see res - no refresh |
| 00:34.55 | DTRemenak | libjuice: look at the version string |
| 00:34.58 | JeffM2501 | libjuice, then your probalby SDL |
| 00:35.00 | DTRemenak | what does it end with |
| 00:35.12 | siimo | still doesnt work |
| 00:35.12 | JeffM2501 | that would do it too |
| 00:35.15 | libjuice | BZFlag client 2.0.0.20050123-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 00:35.16 | siimo | no stealth |
| 00:35.20 | libjuice | OK, so SDL. :) |
| 00:35.23 | DTRemenak | the -SDL means you have sdl :) |
| 00:35.50 | blast007 | siimo: I think it should be the same as your spawn key |
| 00:36.31 | siimo | spawn? |
| 00:36.55 | siimo | oh got it |
| 00:37.00 | siimo | you mean the one for locking on GM |
| 00:37.10 | blast007 | yup, that one |
| 00:37.35 | siimo | thanks |
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| 00:40.00 | libjuice | OK. I found on the SDL site env var SDL_AUDIODRIVER=artsc, not arts. Now I get some working sound, but it is all broken and echoy |
| 00:40.20 | libjuice | I got that before when artsd was running. |
| 00:40.25 | libjuice | using the default driver |
| 00:41.36 | DTRemenak | it may have been picking it up by default then |
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| 00:41.50 | DTRemenak | could try telling it to use alsa directly |
| 00:42.18 | libjuice | then i can't play my music in the background - no h/w mixing on my soundcard. |
| 00:42.31 | libjuice | and dmix have me a headache last time I tried to set it up. |
| 00:42.57 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 00:43.01 | DTRemenak | that sucks |
| 00:43.05 | ep | looks like everything is up and running, my FPS droped from 65 to 35 so i've got to tone down some rendering options. 2.0 looks pretty cool at first glance. Thanks guys! |
| 00:43.10 | libjuice | But I should probably try that again rather than do it through bzflag. It was just a thought that maybe bzflag talked to artsd. |
| 00:43.15 | DTRemenak | could try esd :) |
| 00:43.21 | blast007 | ep: cool :) |
| 00:43.25 | libjuice | tell me about it. ****ing cheapscate dell h/w |
| 00:43.46 | blast007 | yeah, the graphics are a little more intensive now, and it uses the high-res textures by default |
| 00:43.46 | libjuice | Then I can't use amarok... |
| 00:43.57 | libjuice | sound under linux is still a pain in the butt. |
| 00:43.59 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:44.01 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 00:44.22 | DTRemenak | unless you have a hardware card supported by alsa :) |
| 00:44.31 | libjuice | it's a bit off-topic, but don't you think the place for stuff that artsd and the like does is in the kernel - like dmix / als? |
| 00:44.37 | libjuice | yeah... |
| 00:44.51 | DTRemenak | mmm...I'm not a kernel dev, sorry :) |
| 00:44.54 | blast007 | hehe, I remember trying to get Mandrake 8.1 to use my sound card with an Aureal Vortex chip... |
| 00:45.03 | blast007 | the key word is "trying" |
| 00:45.05 | DTRemenak | blast007: did you have problems? |
| 00:45.17 | blast007 | never got it to work |
| 00:45.18 | DTRemenak | I ran Suse 8 with a Vortex2 for a long time |
| 00:45.40 | libjuice | Looks to me like there will be more and more cards with no h/w mixing... cost pressure. And with CPUs getting so meaty it's no real burden to do audio mixing in drivers. If you ask me it's a recipe for less reliable machines.... |
| 00:45.44 | Tupone | libjuice: when bzflag start, what it says about audio? |
| 00:45.56 | libjuice | When using the default driver, nothing. |
| 00:46.04 | Tupone | you lie |
| 00:46.10 | libjuice | You're right!! |
| 00:46.12 | libjuice | haha |
| 00:46.13 | Tupone | should say something |
| 00:46.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:46.16 | libjuice | sorry abouot that. |
| 00:46.28 | Pizbit | Heh, it's always been blank for me;) |
| 00:46.30 | libjuice | hehe. What am I on? |
| 00:46.36 | blast007 | DTRemenak: I think mine is the first generation Vortex |
| 00:46.39 | libjuice | ALSA lib pcm.c:1975:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM SDL |
| 00:46.55 | Tupone | when you start, it say audio driver is : alsa (to me) |
| 00:47.02 | libjuice | haha, a smiley in my diagnostic. |
| 00:47.10 | blast007 | Diamond Sonic Impact S90 A3d |
| 00:47.12 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 00:47.19 | libjuice | I also get |
| 00:47.19 | libjuice | warning: leaving MCOP Dispatcher and still 146 types alive. |
| 00:47.31 | DTRemenak | libjuice: Tupone means in the bzflag window |
| 00:47.34 | DTRemenak | not in the console |
| 00:47.40 | Tupone | Audio driver: alsa ? |
| 00:47.41 | libjuice | Aha, hang on a tick |
| 00:47.47 | libjuice | *nod* |
| 00:48.24 | Tupone | nod means alsa ? |
| 00:48.27 | libjuice | No, I'm lying again! haha. I thought it was (since I left it blank). But it is artsc |
| 00:49.04 | Tupone | well, try to put alsa then, I mean it the audio configuration for driver |
| 00:49.38 | libjuice | What for "device"? |
| 00:49.48 | Tupone | don't put anything now |
| 00:49.53 | Tupone | leave blank |
| 00:50.04 | Tupone | after pressing return to both |
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| 00:50.11 | Tupone | leave bzflag and restart it |
| 00:51.39 | libjuice | OK, driver=alsa. device sets itself to SDL (I left it blank and it was SDL after restart). In the message window, I see "audio not available". (I still have artsd running, which I guess is sitting on the soundcard) |
| 00:51.55 | libjuice | btw, can I start bzflag in a window instead of fullscreen? |
| 00:52.06 | Tupone | device set to SDL? |
| 00:52.32 | TimRiker | libjuice: F1 switches. -window starts that way. |
| 00:52.36 | libjuice | Tupone: yes. I deleted what was there, and it set itself to SDL after a re-start. |
| 00:52.45 | libjuice | TimRiker: aha! thanks. |
| 00:52.55 | Tupone | look at config.cfg for audio |
| 00:54.01 | libjuice | I have two config files: |
| 00:54.01 | libjuice | find .bzf |grep config |
| 00:54.01 | libjuice | .bzf/config.cruffy |
| 00:54.01 | libjuice | .bzf/2.0/config.cfg.cruffy |
| 00:54.29 | Tupone | cruffy ? |
| 00:54.33 | Tupone | what's that? |
| 00:55.00 | Tupone | it is at ~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg |
| 00:55.28 | libjuice | hehe, cruffy is my hostname |
| 00:55.36 | libjuice | Long story |
| 00:55.38 | Tupone | hah |
| 00:55.40 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:55.43 | libjuice | *blush* |
| 00:56.13 | Tupone | open the one under 2.0 and look for audioDriver |
| 00:56.34 | libjuice | OK. see in the config file: |
| 00:56.35 | libjuice | set audioDevice SDL |
| 00:56.35 | libjuice | set audioDriver alsa |
| 00:56.47 | Tupone | remove set audioDevice SDL |
| 00:57.07 | libjuice | comment line OK? |
| 00:57.51 | libjuice | OK. I did it. I still have "audio not available" when starting |
| 00:57.59 | Tupone | however I asked you to press return after changing the audio things in audio option menu. Why you didn't? |
| 00:58.08 | libjuice | in the audio config screen "SDL" has gone. |
| 00:58.17 | Tupone | and audio is playing |
| 00:58.26 | libjuice | nope |
| 00:58.40 | Tupone | so now instead of alsa put artsc |
| 00:58.53 | Tupone | press return, the exit the menu and the game |
| 00:59.00 | Tupone | s/the/then/ |
| 00:59.38 | Tupone | sorry for the return, but that menu need a confirmation |
| 00:59.49 | libjuice | np. |
| 01:00.11 | Tupone | did you put artsc now? |
| 01:00.12 | libjuice | OK I did it. It says the driver is alsa after the restart. I get no sound cos artsd is sitting on my soundcard. |
| 01:00.26 | libjuice | hang on I'll try artsc now |
| 01:00.27 | Tupone | still alsa? |
| 01:00.58 | libjuice | OK. Now it is artsc. I get broken sound. |
| 01:01.14 | Tupone | you have alsa? |
| 01:01.18 | libjuice | By broken I mean I hear something, but it's like someone is quickly pausing and un-pausing the audio |
| 01:01.25 | Tupone | or just dsp |
| 01:01.30 | Tupone | dps -> oss |
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| 01:02.05 | libjuice | Alsa is compiled into my kernel. I didn't add OSS. |
| 01:02.21 | Tupone | you didn't have another sound card? |
| 01:02.28 | libjuice | Laptop - builtin... :( |
| 01:02.29 | Tupone | I mean 2 of them? |
| 01:03.03 | libjuice | I have only one sound card. |
| 01:03.09 | Tupone | sure you cannot mix it? You can select the alsa device with device |
| 01:03.30 | Tupone | now I don't know the value to put on :( |
| 01:03.36 | libjuice | Crappy sound card - no h/w mixing. |
| 01:03.56 | Tupone | what is that? |
| 01:04.03 | libjuice | hatrdware mixing... |
| 01:04.13 | Tupone | I mean what chippsett |
| 01:04.14 | libjuice | s/hatrdware/hardware |
| 01:04.30 | libjuice | uses the snd_intel8x0 alsa driver |
| 01:04.45 | blast007 | ah, yuck ;) |
| 01:05.01 | libjuice | dmesg tells me: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 01:05.01 | blast007 | probably an 810? |
| 01:05.05 | Tupone | I get the same on my laptop. I hear a echoed sound with esound on |
| 01:05.17 | Tupone | bleah |
| 01:05.20 | libjuice | PIle o' pants huh... |
| 01:05.33 | Tupone | I go sleeping |
| 01:05.35 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (Tupone@adsl-84-222-139-176.tiscali.it) |
| 01:05.44 | blast007 | I used to get really bad sound performance with my onboard audio on my 810 chipset when playing Midtown Madness 2 |
| 01:05.50 | brlcad | mm.. juice |
| 01:06.06 | libjuice | So I guess I should be happy I get audio working properly without mixing more than one app huh? |
| 01:06.30 | libjuice | libraryjuice! |
| 01:06.52 | libjuice | I never liked artsd and it's siblings anyhow. |
| 01:06.53 | blast007 | yeah, or as JeffM2501 said, <joke>install Windows</joke> ;) |
| 01:07.01 | blast007 | http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=204&product=10769 |
| 01:07.07 | libjuice | *groan* |
| 01:07.52 | libjuice | not a bad idea blast |
| 01:07.54 | blast007 | just not sure about the linux drivers for that card |
| 01:08.16 | libjuice | I'm sure there is some decent PCMCIA card that works with alsa. |
| 01:08.21 | blast007 | another option might be a USB sound card |
| 01:08.34 | retro | a year or two ago when I looked into Linux sound drivers for pcmcia sound cards, the situation was bleak. |
| 01:08.38 | blast007 | in either case, you'd need external speakers or headphones to get any sound |
| 01:08.44 | libjuice | Yeah. I saw the drivers in the kernel config, but I never actually saw a device. |
| 01:09.12 | libjuice | I use headphone mostly. The internal speakers in my laptop are pants anyhow. |
| 01:09.36 | libjuice | *sigh* |
| 01:10.22 | libjuice | I think for now I can live with bzflag without music. Unless someone wants to add some sort of music player to the game?!!!? |
| 01:10.29 | libjuice | "Music to kill by" |
| 01:10.48 | DTRemenak | patches welcome :) |
| 01:11.00 | blast007 | hehe, back in 1.7 I was playing around with background music, but it was just an _ugly_ hack |
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| 01:11.13 | blast007 | looped a audio clip |
| 01:11.16 | brlcad | ~bzfrag patches |
| 01:11.19 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill patches, but finds the shield flag |
| 01:11.19 | blast007 | an* |
| 01:11.21 | libjuice | yuk. |
| 01:11.31 | retro | well, any sane implementation of music in bzflag would involve going through the mixer which seems to be where you're currently having problem... |
| 01:11.56 | DTRemenak | retro: it could be mixed in bzflag itself though |
| 01:12.02 | DTRemenak | like all of the game sounds are |
| 01:12.09 | libjuice | Lol. I just saw the URL of shellshock. Where is the bz domain based? |
| 01:12.17 | DTRemenak | belize |
| 01:12.44 | libjuice | Nice domain name. |
| 01:12.59 | retro | DTRemanak, has bzflag always mixed sounds itself, or is that new in 2.0.0? |
| 01:13.06 | JeffM2501 | allways |
| 01:13.12 | JeffM2501 | it does it's own 3d, and dopler |
| 01:13.29 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 01:13.41 | libjuice | Internal mixing works fine - just audio from multiple applications that is giving me problems. Well not even that - I'm fine with my audio player and system sounds and the like... |
| 01:13.57 | retro | OK, doppler I've noticed. What do you mean it does it's own 3d? Are you talking time delay for faraway sounds? |
| 01:14.07 | JeffM2501 | any sane sound system would let the hardware do it so it could get surround sound support |
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| 01:14.18 | JeffM2501 | retro, the sound comes from left or right and the distance thing |
| 01:14.29 | brlcad | JeffM2501: Amigay is a girl's first name in French |
| 01:14.39 | brlcad | not uncommon |
| 01:14.39 | retro | Oh. Stereo. I don't supposed there is support for 4 channel sound cards, eh? |
| 01:15.17 | JeffM2501 | it is? |
| 01:15.19 | JeffM2501 | in all caps? |
| 01:15.39 | Nidhoggr | we are going to see house of flying daggers tonight eventually. |
| 01:15.44 | libjuice | brlcad: Haha. I know a French guy whose surname is "Gaillard"..... hehehehe. |
| 01:15.59 | brlcad | france has AOLSPEAKERS too |
| 01:16.01 | bz7479 | jeffm2501 im an=m the 13 year old that was asking how to get a server up well where do i go to find info on how to open my linsys router up to port 5154? |
| 01:16.19 | blast007 | bz7479: the manual |
| 01:16.30 | brlcad | coulda let the person talk first :) |
| 01:16.30 | Noodle-sensei | ~blast007++ |
| 01:16.35 | Nidhoggr | I cut my hand on the dryer vent :( |
| 01:16.36 | JeffM2501 | bz7479, yeah read the manual that came with the router like we told you 5 times. |
| 01:16.38 | blast007 | Noodle-sensei: lol |
| 01:16.48 | brlcad | and even if not, the question is harmless :) |
| 01:16.51 | bz7479 | well i cant find it |
| 01:17.10 | retro | the manual? You can download it for free from the linksys website |
| 01:17.14 | JeffM2501 | bz7479, then check for one online at linksys's site, we can't make manuals magicaly appear for you. |
| 01:17.21 | retro | not yet. |
| 01:17.25 | bz7479 | ok |
| 01:17.26 | retro | Our power is growing, however. |
| 01:17.31 | blast007 | I can, but it takes 150 mana |
| 01:17.35 | JeffM2501 | bz7479, parental supervision is recomended |
| 01:17.40 | libjuice | OK, well thanks for the help and patience guys n gals. I shall try dmix again and see if I can stop this artsd crap. Later. |
| 01:17.40 | Noodle-sensei | i can magically conjure manuals |
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| 01:18.15 | JeffM2501 | Noodle-sensei, those arn't manuals, your suposed to flush them. |
| 01:18.27 | Noodle-sensei | hahaha |
| 01:19.09 | JeffM2501 | I know most manuals are made out of the same stuff. |
| 01:20.00 | Noodle-sensei | i've been called to account for my laughter before :-P |
| 01:20.23 | JeffM2501 | just tell them you were reading a manual |
| 01:20.24 | Noodle-sensei | it doesn't help being across the room from the company president, either :-P |
| 01:20.39 | JeffM2501 | time to go paint |
| 01:20.54 | blast007 | mspaint.exe |
| 01:23.04 | cods | interesting.. I paused while a laser was shot, and when back in the game, the laser is still on radar (but not rotating to follow the map orientation) |
| 01:23.39 | cods | hmm, look like everyone see it.. so nothing related to pause I guess. |
| 01:24.07 | cods | if someone connect on bzflag3.tuxee.net:45155 (2.0) that should be visible.. |
| 01:26.07 | cods | perhaps related to "timeout" to draw laser |
| 01:26.31 | cods | in addition to that on radar, they was 3 white bullets, not moving, at the place where the laser was shot (probably) |
| 01:26.49 | cods | s/they/there/ |
| 01:26.55 | blast007 | oh, those weren't lasers then |
| 01:27.08 | blast007 | that's a bug when the bullets don't move |
| 01:27.23 | blast007 | but I thought that was fixed... |
| 01:27.50 | Noodle-sensei | but you were WRONG, WEREN'T YOU??? |
| 01:27.55 | blast007 | lol |
| 01:28.18 | cods | ok |
| 01:28.33 | Noodle-sensei | ok, you're weod |
| 01:28.55 | blast007 | ...that's what I get for using IE... |
| 01:29.19 | blast007 | might as well, it's locked up ;) |
| 01:29.32 | brlcad | the juice is loose |
| 01:29.50 | blast007 | sucking up all my CPU power too |
| 01:30.01 | cods | Noodle-sensei: hmm, what ? What mean "weod" ? |
| 01:30.18 | blast007 | weird I think ;) |
| 01:32.43 | blast007 | cods: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=877687&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 01:33.41 | blast007 | sounds like the what happened in my comment on there |
| 01:34.08 | cods | blast007: ok. However, in addition there was this line drawed on radar from the "bullets" to bottom right corner of radar. |
| 01:34.19 | blast007 | yeah, it did that before too |
| 01:34.30 | blast007 | caused by the zero-velocity bullet |
| 01:34.43 | cods | ok |
| 01:34.57 | blast007 | it tries to draw the tail behind it, but because it's not moving, there isn't a "behind" |
| 01:35.06 | blast007 | so it draws that wacky line |
| 01:40.11 | blast007 | hmmmm...wonder if that bug was reintroduced... |
| 01:40.14 | blast007 | gonna compare some code |
| 01:41.56 | cods | hmm, I updated bzfs 4 days ago from anoncvs. |
| 01:42.06 | cods | but maybe it's something related to bzflag client, not server ? |
| 01:42.26 | blast007 | no, it would be the server's issue |
| 01:42.44 | blast007 | I think I see an error in the logic, but I'm gonna make sure first |
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| 01:49.49 | blast007 | question for the devs: the haveFlag() function of PlayerInfo.h returns false if the a limited flag ran out of shots, correct? |
| 01:49.58 | blast007 | if a* |
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| 01:51.25 | blast007 | cuz if that's the case, then the auto-kick for invalid flags is broken |
| 01:51.32 | blast007 | invalid shot flags |
| 01:51.57 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.57 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.14 | blast007 | so if they don't have a flag, it sets the flagType to Null |
| 01:52.36 | blast007 | so even if they say in the shot that they have a GM, it will set it to Null |
| 01:53.06 | blast007 | but before the auto-kick check will run, is has this check: |
| 01:53.10 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.10 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:54.14 | blast007 | the firingInfo.flagType would be Flags::Null, so the check aborts (because we just set it to that above) |
| 01:54.42 | blast007 | is that intended? because it doesn't reset the speed anymore of a Null shot |
| 01:55.59 | blast007 | seems when manu's auto-kick patch was backported, it took out the part that reset the speeds, thus reintroducing bug #877687 |
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| 02:27.59 | izto | Hello |
| 02:28.02 | blast007 | hi |
| 02:28.52 | izto | Any bzflag hacker online? I haven't been able to get 2.0.0 working. It can't decompress the world databases, no matter what server I try to log on to. |
| 02:29.08 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:29.16 | blast007 | what error does it give? |
| 02:30.04 | blast007 | also, what operating system? |
| 02:30.05 | izto | Error unpacking the world database. And in the terminal when run with -d: |
| 02:30.11 | izto | ContextInitializer::executeFreeFuncs() start |
| 02:30.11 | izto | ContextInitializer::executeFreeFuncs() end |
| 02:30.11 | izto | ContextInitializer::executeInitFuncs() start |
| 02:30.11 | izto | ContextInitializer::executeInitFuncs() end |
| 02:30.11 | izto | setTextureFilter() Couldn't find texid: -1 |
| 02:30.11 | izto | WorldBuilder::unpack() could not decompress |
| 02:30.43 | izto | Slackware Linux. I just compiled 2.0.0 yesterday. 1.10 works just fine. |
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| 02:31.41 | brlcad | izto: that texture error is odd |
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| 02:31.54 | brlcad | you try blowing away your configs? |
| 02:31.58 | blast007 | 2.0.0 packs the maps now, to reduce download times, and this is the first time I heard of this problem |
| 02:32.09 | izto | brlcad: already tried with no success |
| 02:32.18 | brlcad | same error/output? |
| 02:32.24 | izto | Exactly the same |
| 02:34.32 | brlcad | you compiled 2.0.0 yourself? |
| 02:35.45 | blast007 | zlib is used for the (de)compression, so could it be a problem with zlib? |
| 02:35.57 | izto | Yes. The only odd thing I noticed was that it reported "No SDL!" while running configure. |
| 02:36.31 | izto | That would be odd because no other zlib-using program here has shown any problem. |
| 02:37.00 | brlcad | ahh.. no sdl hrm |
| 02:37.05 | blast007 | bzflag comes with it's own zlib |
| 02:37.09 | brlcad | don't think non-sdl has been tested in a long time |
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| 02:38.12 | blast007 | would be odd if the non-sdl build would cause the world file to fail, but it would be worth trying it with the SDL dev package installed |
| 02:38.25 | brlcad | yeah, simple enough to try |
| 02:38.35 | brlcad | there've been a couple unexpected differences in the past |
| 02:38.43 | izto | I do have SDL. But I just noticed that I have 1.2.4 and bzflag requires 1.2.5. Will recompile with 1.2.5 and see what happens. |
| 02:38.56 | blast007 | then would ./configure see the SDL then? or would that config.cache thing need to be deleted? |
| 02:39.10 | blast007 | izto: is it the runtime, or the development library of SDL? |
| 02:40.02 | izto | Both. SDL was installed from source, too (Most of my software is :) |
| 02:40.07 | blast007 | k |
| 02:40.15 | brlcad | izto: 1.2.8 or 1.2.7 would be preferred |
| 02:40.18 | blast007 | SDL is up to 1.2.8 too |
| 02:40.23 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:40.35 | bryjen | slackware doesn't break packages into run and dev |
| 02:40.39 | izto | Oh :) |
| 02:40.42 | blast007 | ah |
| 02:40.50 | izto | I'll just go and download the latest SDL then. |
| 02:40.59 | bryjen | err, at least not most |
| 02:41.37 | blast007 | bryjen: yeah, I don't do much (well, _any_) compiling on my Slackware machine, so I haven't really paid attention ;) |
| 02:42.11 | blast007 | plus I think I need more memory to build BZFlag...g++ keeps crashing |
| 02:42.24 | bryjen | eek. that's bad. |
| 02:42.34 | blast007 | 32MB RAM + 128MB Swap |
| 02:42.49 | izto | Yo do need more RAM |
| 02:43.10 | izto | I thought I had little RAM with 160MB :P |
| 02:43.14 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:43.18 | bryjen | or the run-completely-from-swap patch ;) |
| 02:43.32 | blast007 | 'tis only a Pentium 133MHz ;) |
| 02:44.10 | blast007 | I could probably compile it better on my XP box running slackware in Virtual PC |
| 02:48.12 | blast007 | hrm....this patch isn't as easy as I thought it would be... |
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