| 00:00.25 | SportChick | trepan: currently, secretplace requires identification for those that are registered. does that mean if that feature is left on, one has to registr to play? or only if the name is registered? |
| 00:00.46 | SportChick | err...only if the name is registered will they have to identify |
| 00:01.13 | trepan | SportChick: you may still be able to use the old /register|/identify set |
| 00:01.14 | bryjen | same as is now, only if the name is registered must you identify |
| 00:01.36 | SportChick | trepan: also, to re-ask my earlier question - sorry - will it permit multiple names tied to the same email addy in global reg? |
| 00:01.44 | trepan | no |
| 00:02.05 | trepan | it complained when i tried, probably a phpBB setting |
| 00:02.29 | wegstar | yeah...What build of Bzflag are people using now...? still 1.10.8, or have they migrated??? |
| 00:02.33 | SportChick | so if a kid is playing under a name has does not have his/her own email addy, theyw ill not be able to register the name by using their parent's email addy (if the parent is registered) |
| 00:02.40 | JeffM2501 | bzbb is one name per account |
| 00:02.44 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~Legolas@69.106.188.199) |
| 00:02.51 | JeffM2501 | it's all designed that way |
| 00:04.35 | JeffM2501 | and one account per e-mail addy |
| 00:06.09 | Legolas | !weather 93637 |
| 00:06.11 | guu | Legolas: The current temperature in Madera, California is 42°F (3:53 PM PST on January 16, 2005). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 40°F. Wind: NNE at 4 mph (6 km/h). Pressure: 30.38 in (1029 hPa). Visibility: 1.8 miles (2.8 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 00:06.28 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 00:06.29 | guu | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California is 68°F (3:50 PM PST on January 16, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 46°F. Pressure: 30.12 in (1020 hPa). Visibility: 50.0 miles (80.4 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 12 |
| 00:06.37 | wegstar | !weather 94030 |
| 00:06.38 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in Millbrae, California is 54°F (3:56 PM PST on January 16, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 51°F. Wind: ENE at 5 mph (7 km/h). Pressure: 30.33 in (1027 hPa). Visibility: 9.0 miles (14.5 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 12 |
| 00:06.40 | SportChick | it's nicer here, Lego |
| 00:06.54 | shorty114 | !weather 98020 |
| 00:06.56 | guu | shorty114: The current temperature in Edmonds, Washington is 44°F (3:53 PM PST on January 16, 2005). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 43°F. Pressure: 30.41 in (1030 hPa). Visibility: 8.0 miles (12.9 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 00:07.00 | shorty114 | cold here :( |
| 00:07.01 | wegstar | heh |
| 00:07.48 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~quol@modemcable103.129-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:07.54 | shorty114 | hi Quol |
| 00:07.59 | Quol | hey shorty114 |
| 00:17.52 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~Legolas@69.106.188.199) |
| 00:18.08 | Legolas | hi guys |
| 00:18.18 | Quol | hey Legoguy |
| 00:18.20 | Quol | oops |
| 00:18.23 | Quol | friggen tab |
| 00:18.29 | Quol | hey there Legolas |
| 00:18.36 | Legolas | lol |
| 00:18.42 | Legolas | . |
| 00:18.56 | wegstar | hi |
| 00:29.02 | cods | ah nice that diffuse/color default to white now for meshes |
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| 00:30.46 | cods | commands.cxx:1012: error: `t' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 00:30.47 | cods | hmm |
| 00:30.56 | cods | just updated from anon CVS |
| 00:31.23 | cods | doh |
| 00:31.24 | cods | neverming |
| 00:31.26 | cods | nevermind even |
| 00:35.03 | trepan | hehe, 800ms/frame on trees and rocks with BSP (and about 60secs to build the BSP) |
| 00:35.23 | trepan | many, many splits :) |
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| 00:40.21 | *** part/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
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| 01:02.52 | menotume | does any1 know how lagstats pings work? Are they standard raw packet pings? |
| 01:03.15 | menotume | There's been a lot of 'jumpy' players with solid lagstats (using WLAN) |
| 01:04.41 | menotume | I guess everyone is 'talked out' :) |
| 01:06.20 | menotume | is ok - i should look at the source |
| 01:07.29 | shorty114 | ok |
| 01:09.14 | menotume | come to think of it, can't be raw packet (requires su priv) ... |
| 01:15.57 | menotume | hmm, what I see (from a brief look) is that pings are sent to the client's bz udp socket |
| 01:16.14 | menotume | that doesn't explain wht jumpy players have no miising/ooo packets :( |
| 01:23.27 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~who@69.106.188.199) |
| 01:23.45 | Legolas | hey guys |
| 01:24.05 | Legolas | anyone here? |
| 01:24.13 | Legolas | guess not |
| 01:24.21 | shorty114 | Yes. |
| 01:24.24 | shorty114 | But not soon. |
| 01:24.33 | shorty114 | i'll be installing gentoo soon >D |
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| 01:25.59 | Legolas | hey wegstar |
| 01:26.03 | Legolas | hey shorty |
| 01:26.10 | shorty114 | hi Legolas |
| 01:26.15 | Legolas | whats gentoo? |
| 01:26.18 | shorty114 | linux |
| 01:26.19 | shorty114 | distro |
| 01:26.22 | wegstar_ | hi |
| 01:26.38 | shorty114 | amathis will be able to tell you a lot more :) |
| 01:27.08 | wegstar_ | what's a good linux distro for server/desktop? |
| 01:27.14 | shorty114 | gentoo. |
| 01:27.26 | shorty114 | hmph |
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| 01:29.45 | shorty114 | wow you have a lot of nicks, silverfox |
| 01:29.54 | wegstar_ | heh |
| 01:30.13 | wegstar_ | anyone else... only gentoo? how about debian ? |
| 01:30.15 | shorty114 | i only have shorty114, [shorty114] |
| 01:30.17 | jifl | anyone noticed there seems to be something odd with the portals in 1.11 (and presumably 2.0)? it isn't right when you go through them |
| 01:30.20 | shorty114 | debian's ok |
| 01:30.38 | wegstar_ | no... |
| 01:30.44 | jifl | when you go through the screen goes more and more yellow, but then it goes clear |
| 01:30.48 | wegstar_ | yeah |
| 01:30.54 | wegstar_ | that's a new feature... |
| 01:30.55 | jifl | and it stays clear on the other side |
| 01:31.04 | jifl | and then suddenly goes all yellow again, but only when you move forward |
| 01:31.10 | wegstar_ | yeah |
| 01:31.13 | jifl | oh! seems an odd feature |
| 01:31.24 | wegstar_ | i personally don't like it, though :) |
| 01:31.30 | jifl | fair enough if it's deliberate |
| 01:31.35 | jifl | just thought it might be a buglet |
| 01:31.50 | wegstar_ | that's one creative bug :) |
| 01:32.03 | shorty114 | heh |
| 01:32.25 | wegstar_ | If it was one ;-) |
| 01:33.59 | Legolas | guys when will there be a new bzedit? |
| 01:36.06 | Legolas | !weather 93637 |
| 01:36.08 | guu | Legolas: The current temperature in Madera, California is 43°F (5:21 PM PST on January 16, 2005). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 39°F. Pressure: 30.37 in (1028 hPa). Visibility: 3.0 miles (4.8 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 01:36.28 | Legolas | !time 93637 |
| 01:36.28 | guu | Legolas: 93637 |
| 01:37.16 | shorty114 | !help time |
| 01:37.17 | guu | shorty114: (time [<format>] [<seconds since epoch>]) -- Returns the current time in <format> format, or, if <format> is not given, uses the configurable format for the current channel. If no <seconds since epoch> time is given, the current time is used. |
| 01:37.25 | shorty114 | !time |
| 01:37.26 | guu | shorty114: 05:37 PM, January 16, 2005 |
| 01:37.56 | Legolas | !time |
| 01:37.56 | guu | Legolas: 05:37 PM, January 16, 2005 |
| 01:44.19 | noyb | just got cvs, and I'm still having compiler failures. Is there a fix for this, see: http://pastebin.ca/4343 |
| 01:46.28 | Legolas | whats cvsa and how do you use it? |
| 01:46.50 | shorty114 | cvs? |
| 01:46.59 | shorty114 | Concurrent Versioning System |
| 01:47.05 | shorty114 | Developer repository |
| 01:54.30 | shorty114 | PointBlank: what was that CTCP VERSION for? |
| 01:55.11 | JeffM2501 | probably to see what version you are |
| 01:55.27 | shorty114 | :| |
| 01:55.45 | PointBlank | Out of boredom. :) |
| 01:57.36 | shorty114 | brb |
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| 02:02.22 | sgk284 | n/topic |
| 02:02.30 | sgk284 | :/ |
| 02:02.48 | sgk284 | "n" syndrome |
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| 02:03.44 | cods | ok.. stupid question.. How to have the tank displayed in radar when zooming a lot ? I just get a white rectangle. |
| 02:03.54 | cods | I'm using bzflag 2.0.0.2005[...] version. |
| 02:03.58 | cods | (cvs from today) |
| 02:04.06 | TimRiker | noyb: @OBJCDEPMODE@ is not being set. it's a mac auto* issue. don't have one here to test on. |
| 02:04.09 | sgk284 | just keep hitting 4 |
| 02:05.02 | trepan | cods: experimental mode |
| 02:05.23 | cods | ah, compile time settings ? |
| 02:05.51 | trepan | nope, options->display->quality |
| 02:06.10 | trepan | 2.0.0? it's 1.11.41 |
| 02:06.12 | TimRiker | URLManager.cxx: In method `URLManager::URLManager ()': |
| 02:06.12 | TimRiker | URLManager.cxx:87: warning: unused variable `CURLcode curlResult' |
| 02:06.21 | cods | 2.0.0 is displayed |
| 02:06.43 | cods | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.00 | TimRiker | we already briefly had a 2.0.0 so 1.11.41 is newer than 2.0.0 |
| 02:07.10 | trepan | who did that? |
| 02:07.12 | cods | oh.. ok :) |
| 02:07.38 | TimRiker | brlcad |
| 02:07.42 | cods | odd |
| 02:07.52 | trepan | hm |
| 02:08.10 | trepan | guess he could almost taste it :) |
| 02:08.33 | TimRiker | 1:21 - 3:43 it existed. then brlcad reverted it. |
| 02:09.10 | TimRiker | imho you should never backup. we should never have gone to 2.x.x but one there we should have stayed. ie: we'd be at 2.0.1 or so now. |
| 02:09.42 | Tupone | I agree, and go sleep |
| 02:10.18 | trepan | doesn't much matter for a 2 hr window, bump the protocol one more time before release, and 2.0.0 is still fine |
| 02:11.36 | Aribeth | trepan, i found where my problem is. i have to turn off smoothing |
| 02:11.43 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/common/URLManager.cxx: better not declare if your not going to use it |
| 02:12.09 | trepan | Aribeth: ah, strange that it has almost no effect on my card |
| 02:12.11 | Aribeth | if i have smoothing on my lag is very high |
| 02:12.28 | Aribeth | ya, strange |
| 02:12.55 | TimRiker | cods: can you update and see if you still have that non-existant 2.0.0 version? |
| 02:13.41 | cods | server built 1hr ago have 2.0.0 as version |
| 02:13.48 | cods | (anon cvs) |
| 02:13.49 | trepan | Aribeth: is that with "Fast Radar"? |
| 02:14.08 | Aribeth | i'll have to check. brb |
| 02:14.22 | cods | TimRiker: however, for the client, I don't have rebuilt it in the past hours. |
| 02:14.30 | cods | (except to upgrade to 0025) |
| 02:15.03 | cods | rebuilding client |
| 02:17.08 | TimRiker | cods: did you re-update? check src/date/buildDate.cxx for the version #s |
| 02:17.44 | cods | 1.11.41-STABLE |
| 02:18.15 | Aribeth | trepan, smoothing causes hi lag with all 3 radar settings |
| 02:19.11 | trepan | Aribeth: ya, it's your local FPS more then lag, but fast radar should help a lot on that map |
| 02:19.39 | sgk284 | i just updated cvs |
| 02:19.43 | sgk284 | compile failed |
| 02:19.59 | sgk284 | not to spam but: |
| 02:20.02 | sgk284 | configure.in:771: required file `BZFlag.xcode/Makefile.in' not found |
| 02:20.02 | sgk284 | configure.in:771: required file `tools/bzwtransform/Makefile.in' not found |
| 02:20.02 | sgk284 | configure.in:771: required file `tools/modeltool/Makefile.in' not found |
| 02:20.02 | sgk284 | configure.in:771: required file `tools/modeltool/vc71/Makefile.in' not found |
| 02:20.02 | sgk284 | Makefile.am:2: required directory ./BZFlag.xcode does not exist |
| 02:20.04 | Aribeth | i get reports from the server that my lag is 1000 too 7000 |
| 02:20.16 | Aribeth | with smoothing on |
| 02:20.17 | trepan | sgk284: cvs up -dPC |
| 02:20.44 | Aribeth | same thing at tuxee |
| 02:20.48 | trepan | Aribeth: what's your FPS? ('t' key) |
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| 02:20.58 | Aribeth | i'll check |
| 02:21.02 | trepan | it's probably _very_ low :) |
| 02:21.08 | sgk284 | wasnt the lag algorithm recently changed to more accurately calculate it? |
| 02:21.21 | trepan | the 'y' key (milliseconds / frame) might be more appropriate |
| 02:21.49 | sgk284 | trepan, compile seems to be going good now, thanks |
| 02:22.11 | Aribeth | FPS is 0 with smoothing on |
| 02:22.25 | trepan | hehe, pretty low |
| 02:22.39 | blast007 | pretty low? ;) |
| 02:22.44 | sgk284 | lol |
| 02:22.56 | Aribeth | cant get much lower than 0 |
| 02:22.59 | cods | heh, not negative :) |
| 02:22.59 | trepan | -1 |
| 02:23.11 | blast007 | any lower, and the tank would be going backwards hehe |
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| 02:24.20 | trepan | Aribeth: i wonder why it has such a nasty effect on your card |
| 02:24.24 | JeffM2501 | low framerate prevents your PC from sending data, so your lag does increase |
| 02:24.26 | trepan | linux/gf4 ? |
| 02:24.44 | Aribeth | when i turn smoothing off my FPS is 62 |
| 02:25.21 | Aribeth | good question |
| 02:25.57 | cods | you're not sure about the graphics card ? |
| 02:26.19 | Aribeth | geforce 4 440 go |
| 02:26.27 | Aribeth | 64mb ram |
| 02:26.31 | JeffM2501 | good drivers? |
| 02:26.50 | Aribeth | im running the nvidia drivers |
| 02:26.56 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 02:27.03 | JeffM2501 | smothing shouldn't do that |
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| 02:30.56 | shorty114 | hi jomojo |
| 02:30.57 | Aribeth | im running the 6106 nvidia drivers |
| 02:31.06 | jomojo | hi |
| 02:31.19 | Aribeth | prob should try updateing them |
| 02:31.39 | JeffM2501 | current drivers are 6629 |
| 02:31.45 | JeffM2501 | those are rather old |
| 02:32.11 | Aribeth | yup. |
| 02:32.28 | Aribeth | well, its upgrade time for the laptop anyways |
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| 02:39.25 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ListServerConnection.cxx: ws, other options |
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| 02:41.02 | TimRiker | thoughts? |
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| 02:43.10 | Aribeth | just upgraded the video driver. no change with smoothing on |
| 02:44.40 | blast007 | Aribeth: is everything else turned all the way up? (I typically play with everything maxed out, except with lighting and shadows off) |
| 02:47.10 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: more change username info |
| 02:55.18 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/man/ (bzflag.6s bzfs.6s): case, not that it matters, just for consistancy |
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| 03:15.09 | Thumper_ | bzadmin message filter: is there a way to save the settings between runs of bzadmin? I'd like different values from the default normally... |
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| 03:15.52 | Tegan | Thumper_, the invocation settings? |
| 03:16.28 | Thumper_ | ah |
| 03:16.45 | Thumper_ | as in -show join,kill,leave ? |
| 03:17.08 | Tegan | Use a batch file or shell script, maybe? |
| 03:17.19 | Tegan | (depending on your O/S) |
| 03:17.24 | Thumper_ | already doing that... Just RTFM :) thx |
| 03:17.31 | Tegan | :) |
| 03:24.36 | jomojo | isn't 2.0 or whatever supposed to be released today? |
| 03:25.02 | blast007 | it's supposed to be released when it's done ;) |
| 03:25.11 | jomojo | oh blah blah |
| 03:25.17 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 04:20.24 | Thumper_ | hmmm good sign... it's _awfully_ quiet in there |
| 04:20.30 | Thumper_ | s/there/here/ |
| 04:31.20 | TimRiker | ibot: botmail for legolas: callsigns with @'s in them won't work with central login. please rename your phpbb accounts. |
| 04:33.48 | sgk284 | err i know the main focus is on 2.0 right now but, whats anyone's thoughts on adding an option to the server to not send out any message marked bad by the filter? |
| 04:34.04 | sgk284 | i.e. if i cursed, noone else would see it |
| 04:34.06 | brlcad | we thought we were release ready at the time, until the TODO was reviewed one last time .. that was noticed, discussed and then decided to revert when release wasn't going to happen for the registration issues |
| 04:34.29 | brlcad | probably should have just moved forward to 2.0.1, but oh well, hindsight at this point |
| 04:34.38 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 04:36.50 | TimRiker | brlcad: falcor? |
| 04:36.58 | brlcad | TimRiker: EVERYONE or DEFAULT sound fine to me. pretty close to equiv. |
| 04:37.34 | TimRiker | cept that it sounds funny to to have default permissions for DEFAULT. ;-) |
| 04:37.40 | brlcad | TimRiker: a name trepan suggested some time ago .. rather academicly obscure, but very appropriate /me thinks |
| 04:37.59 | brlcad | ~google falcor despair |
| 04:38.08 | jpa- | morning |
| 04:38.16 | jpa- | is it out? |
| 04:38.29 | jpa- | oh |
| 04:38.30 | sgk284 | morning jpa |
| 04:38.32 | jpa- | not :) |
| 04:38.34 | sgk284 | nope not yet |
| 04:38.38 | sgk284 | :) |
| 04:39.27 | brlcad | and given trepan's mass time and effort contributions for this release, also thought him rather deserving to pick the release name :) so i'll stand by whatever he wants |
| 04:43.05 | brlcad | holy cow that was fast.. |
| 04:43.39 | brlcad | if I search on OBJCDEPMODE, i get the bz pastebin error posting from yesterday as the top result! |
| 04:44.12 | jpa- | :) |
| 04:45.24 | *** part/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 04:47.47 | TimRiker | so pastbin is now a good place to post google food? |
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| 04:51.50 | brlcad | TimRiker: apparently so .. at least canadian pastebins :) |
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| 05:28.03 | TimRiker | well, I think I will s/DEFAULT/EVERYONE/ |
| 05:29.59 | Silver[a] | makes sense |
| 05:30.53 | Silver[a] | my dog looks like falcor. |
| 05:31.02 | wegstar | heh |
| 05:31.03 | Silver[a] | except for the wings. |
| 05:31.10 | Silver[a] | my dogs wings are a little different. |
| 05:32.23 | brlcad | :) |
| 05:33.10 | TimRiker | and his antlers? |
| 05:33.23 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): s/DEFAULT/EVERYONE/, disable setgroup/removegroup if no userdb, ws |
| 05:35.51 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/tools/bzwtransform/Makefile.am: case |
| 05:40.51 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: hopeful date |
| 05:43.28 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: global login stuff |
| 05:45.58 | Silver[a] | falcor didn't have antlers, silly. |
| 05:49.12 | TimRiker | I meant your dog. |
| 05:49.29 | Silver[a] | She only wears those during the holidays. |
| 06:04.54 | *** part/#bzflag orchid (~aec@orchid.user) |
| 06:09.32 | TimRiker | ah |
| 06:11.04 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx commands.cxx commands.h): shorten header, merge duplicate code into initGroups() |
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| 06:15.53 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: remove SDLMain.m as an explicit libMac.a sourcee to prevent and support various broken versions of autoconf+automake. instead add an explicit build rule and add to libMac.a via LIBADD. |
| 06:16.20 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: type |
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| 06:17.41 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: remove the OBJC crufty hacking since we just explicitly build our sold os x .m objc file via $(COMPILE) now. |
| 06:17.48 | TimRiker | brlcad: what's the mac status? do we have a test mac build? |
| 06:18.15 | brlcad | yep, good to go as of sometime last night |
| 06:18.38 | brlcad | those recent fixes should take care of the funky errors for the source builders now too |
| 06:18.39 | trepan | uhm, that Falcor thing was just supposed to be a bad joke ;) |
| 06:19.32 | Silver[a] | Luck Dragons are no joke. |
| 06:19.33 | trepan | ... and then, i couldn't get that horrid song out of my head for hours |
| 06:19.41 | Silver[a] | hahaha |
| 06:19.58 | trepan | damn, there it goes again |
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| 06:20.36 | TimRiker | trepan: I was thinking "dissension in the ranks" but I can live with Falcor's dispair |
| 06:20.42 | Silver[a] | How could you NOT like that song?!? |
| 06:22.29 | jpa- | :) |
| 06:22.50 | trepan | TimRiker: "bountiful mutiny?" is along those lines too |
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| 06:23.16 | wegstar | hi noyb |
| 06:23.39 | noyb | hello weggy |
| 06:23.49 | noyb | ;) |
| 06:23.52 | wegstar | heh |
| 06:23.54 | brlcad | TimRiker: did you want a test binary to check out yourself? |
| 06:23.59 | brlcad | didnt' think you had a mac.. |
| 06:24.18 | TimRiker | brlcad: nope. I've got a ppc box, but no MacOnLinux running here yet. |
| 06:24.32 | TimRiker | brlcad: was just curious. |
| 06:24.36 | brlcad | k |
| 06:25.09 | TimRiker | the builds page still has .28 mac on it. |
| 06:25.11 | brlcad | this will be rather interesting for macs. might be the last to support 10.2, at least without making separate 10.2 and 10.3 binaries |
| 06:25.21 | TimRiker | I'm updating the debian version now... |
| 06:25.38 | TimRiker | the static curl issue? |
| 06:25.45 | brlcad | had to redo the build system so that it remains in sync now |
| 06:26.22 | Silver[a] | My first linux install was LinuxPPC on a fishbowl |
| 06:26.57 | brlcad | no, it's using curl dynamic now .. i'd tried static curl to minimize deps, but curl requires libcrypto which caused 10.2 -> 10.3 grief |
| 06:27.05 | TimRiker | heh. when I did my first Linux install x86 was the only choice. |
| 06:27.19 | TimRiker | brlcad: ahh. |
| 06:28.28 | TimRiker | brlcad: do can you get a mac update up in the builds dir? |
| 06:28.30 | brlcad | the mac binary ships the sdl framework inside of the actual binary, so that one was very nice and easy .. curl turned out to be the bigger headache (but seems to be accounted for now). |
| 06:29.01 | TimRiker | I'd like to see some testing on the win version too. |
| 06:30.20 | TimRiker | I don't yet have my windows box back to the state where I can do builds. =( |
| 06:31.01 | jpa- | i have never understood how can someone build something on windows |
| 06:31.09 | jpa- | does it even have autotools? |
| 06:31.40 | blast007 | MS Visual C++, Dev-C++, etc...different ways to build it |
| 06:31.49 | wegstar | bzflag_private.rc- does that file even exist??? |
| 06:33.25 | brlcad | TimRiker: I can upload a new build, yes |
| 06:34.59 | brlcad | TimRiker: I updated the manpages for global login information if you haven't read it -- might want to review wording and/or utilize text to some extent on wiki/bb |
| 06:40.27 | TimRiker | brlcad: I saw. thanx. |
| 06:41.11 | jpa- | more secrets unfold.. timriker says "thanx" |
| 06:46.36 | brlcad | BZFlag was included on the Linux Live Gaming Project (http://www.llgp.org/) distribution .. current /. |
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| 06:49.08 | brlcad | ii bzflag 1.10.6.2004051 a 3D first person tank battle game |
| 06:49.08 | brlcad | ii bzflag-server 1.10.6.2004051 bzfs - BZFlag game server and proxy |
| 06:49.22 | sgk284 | ? |
| 06:49.36 | TimRiker | debian releases. |
| 06:49.47 | TimRiker | never did a 1.10.8 cause the list server is back. |
| 06:49.53 | TimRiker | ~dinfo bzflag |
| 06:50.06 | TimRiker | ~dinfo bzflag-server |
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| 06:50.22 | sgk284 | who maintains the bzflag.deb? |
| 06:50.37 | sgk284 | ~dinfo kde |
| 06:50.38 | brlcad | tim does |
| 06:50.45 | sgk284 | oh okay:) |
| 06:51.58 | sgk284 | anyone familiar with bash scripting? its quick question |
| 06:52.05 | trepan | ask it |
| 06:52.48 | MeBigFatGuy | trepan is the expert on everything |
| 06:52.55 | trepan | heh |
| 06:53.01 | MeBigFatGuy | except perhaps turtle bathing |
| 06:53.08 | trepan | hangovers maybe |
| 06:53.40 | trepan | and punching inanimate objects (at least that what my knuckles are telling me) |
| 06:54.16 | trepan | and most definitely not an expert on turtle bathing |
| 06:54.23 | sgk284 | heh this probably sounds dumb... but is it normal behavior for a group of lines in the output when stored in a variable to be separated by spaces instead of new lines? i.e. numOfMsgsPerDoctor=`echo -e $tmpDoc | sort | uniq -c` although it counts it right, later on when i echo it, rather then outputting line by line, its each line separated by a space (its all on one line) |
| 06:55.00 | brlcad | sgk284: the newlines are preserved, echo collapses them |
| 06:55.26 | brlcad | variety of ways to output preserving the newlines |
| 06:55.30 | sgk284 | grr... |
| 06:55.43 | trepan | brlcad: you know anything about turtle bathing? |
| 06:55.51 | sgk284 | oh, any simple ways other then for i in $var; do echo $i done;? |
| 06:55.55 | brlcad | though you should wrap that `` in "" for portability |
| 06:56.27 | sgk284 | wrap what part? :) |
| 06:57.12 | brlcad | sgk284: that works, or cat <<EOF $numOfMsgsPerDoctor EOF (with newlines of course) |
| 06:57.31 | brlcad | your `` command .. `echo ... | uniq -c` wrap in "" |
| 06:57.45 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 06:58.11 | sgk284 | thanks |
| 07:03.10 | brlcad | trepan: turtle bathing.. no sorry.. I just wipe mine off every now and then |
| 07:04.07 | TimRiker | .41 debs are up on the builds page. |
| 07:08.05 | wegstar | hehe |
| 07:09.21 | TimRiker | sgk284: While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut, and pour lemon juice on it? |
| 07:09.36 | sgk284 | haha! |
| 07:10.03 | sgk284 | good ol' magical karma |
| 07:10.08 | sgk284 | ;) |
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| 07:11.20 | brlcad | g'morning tup |
| 07:13.59 | Tupone | *yawn* |
| 07:14.21 | Tupone | morning |
| 07:18.55 | sgk284 | morning tupone, its time i get to bed |
| 07:19.05 | wegstar | me too... |
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| 07:25.37 | noyb | what is the variable $tmpDoc set to? |
| 07:26.20 | noyb | nevermind.... I was scrolled back. way back. |
| 07:29.11 | noyb | I expected a lot more ++ flying around after the 'top priority karma system' nugget. |
| 07:51.39 | wegstar | what is the latest version of SDL?? |
| 07:52.15 | wegstar | 1.2.8? |
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| 07:55.33 | wegstar | what is the latest version of SDL?? |
| 07:55.37 | wegstar | 1.2.8? |
| 07:56.39 | brlcad | yay, test build worked |
| 07:56.44 | wegstar | the site is down |
| 08:00.49 | brlcad | so it is |
| 08:02.43 | TimRiker | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2666 comments? |
| 08:03.47 | wegstar | yay.. great :) |
| 08:10.28 | MeBigFatGuy | clear as mud :) |
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| 08:12.16 | TimRiker | MeBigFatGuy: excellent. ;-) |
| 08:16.07 | brlcad | TimRiker: looks good, though the focus is strong on server operators, not users |
| 08:16.22 | brlcad | there's a separate forum for server operators |
| 08:17.18 | brlcad | unless i'm reading the wrong section.. |
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| 08:18.33 | brlcad | ahh, there it is -- yeah, probably useful to both but good enough as is |
| 08:18.46 | brlcad | 1.11.41 os x binary is uploaded |
| 08:19.41 | brlcad | are we waiting for some feedback or time to build, post, and announce? |
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| 08:21.25 | brlcad | *choke* |
| 08:22.03 | brlcad | hehehehe |
| 08:22.56 | brlcad | ~RPG++ |
| 08:23.13 | brlcad | guys, you have to see this if you haven't |
| 08:23.15 | brlcad | http://www.garrettsites.net/gfx/flash/BZFlag_thankyou.html |
| 08:23.50 | brlcad | DTRemenak, Chestal, trepan, TimRiker for starters :) |
| 08:24.02 | [dmp] | what else do i need (apart for the .deb file) when going from 1.10.6? |
| 08:24.48 | SportChick | ~RPG++ |
| 08:24.52 | SportChick | it IS peretty funny |
| 08:24.56 | SportChick | pretty even |
| 08:25.01 | SportChick | ~brlcad++ |
| 08:25.07 | SportChick | don't you guys ever SLEEP?! |
| 08:25.17 | SportChick | ~MeBigFatGuy++ |
| 08:25.22 | brlcad | sleewhat? |
| 08:25.25 | SportChick | ~TimRiker++ |
| 08:25.31 | SportChick | ~Chestal++ |
| 08:25.39 | SportChick | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 08:25.40 | brlcad | as you said, there's plenty of time to sleep when I'm dead |
| 08:25.44 | SportChick | hehe |
| 08:25.47 | TimRiker | brlcad: hmm. no flash here. |
| 08:25.52 | SportChick | you weren't supposed to REMEMBER that |
| 08:25.57 | SportChick | tim, give it time - it will load |
| 08:27.26 | TimRiker | SportChick: no... I don't have a flash player installed on this ppc linux box. |
| 08:27.47 | SportChick | TimRiker: oh, ok |
| 08:27.56 | SportChick | TimRiker: did you see my other questions (elsewhere) |
| 08:29.17 | TimRiker | Oh sure, I'm the rogue. ;-) |
| 08:29.30 | TimRiker | well, my player crashed at "continue" |
| 08:29.51 | SportChick | all that was left were the c4redits |
| 08:30.08 | brlcad | TimRiker: shockwave actually, but worth seeing somewhere at least once :) |
| 08:30.21 | brlcad | even one of my favorite songs *sniff* |
| 08:32.28 | TimRiker | I'll try it from the office tomorrow. ;-) |
| 08:33.19 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Thank you, RPG! - http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=26845#26845 || Releases posted in a few hours.. don't ask, just watch, and wait (quietly) || NOW SHUT THE HECK UP! |
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| 08:41.34 | brlcad | TimRiker: only thing after the continue was http://db.bzflag.bz/tmp/tycontinued.jpg |
| 08:43.44 | TimRiker | cool. thx |
| 08:50.22 | brlcad | TimRiker: do you have a time in mind for release or waiting for feedback? I'd prefer post sooner than later if there are no issues left code-wise. |
| 08:51.22 | brlcad | sometime tomorrow (if not now) would be hopeful |
| 08:54.29 | TimRiker | brlcad: I'm hoping tomorrow (or rather later today) |
| 08:55.30 | brlcad | TimRiker: k |
| 08:55.43 | brlcad | then on that note, I shall zz a bit |
| 08:58.25 | TimRiker | me too. would be nice to get a .41 windows build up. but must sleep. |
| 08:58.37 | TimRiker | cya manana |
| 08:58.37 | brlcad | mm.. can't help there |
| 08:58.41 | brlcad | cya |
| 09:21.01 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: windows build is posted. |
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| 09:36.48 | SilverFox | on bzbb? |
| 09:38.28 | DTRemenak | SilverFox: yes, as a reply to TimRiker's post. or at http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11 |
| 09:43.50 | Chestal | tag |
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| 09:59.51 | Pimpinella | moin |
| 10:12.43 | jpa- | eww |
| 10:12.46 | jpa- | still not out? |
| 10:38.59 | Pimpinella | jpa-: i prefer the devs to do their job good, not neccessarily fast ;) |
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| 10:53.12 | SilverFox | I'll take what I can get. Whenever/however its offered. ;) |
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| 11:59.40 | jifl | i guess "a few hours" in the topic might be misleading |
| 12:00.17 | jifl | I don't have the balls to make a forecast and change the topic tho :) |
| 12:05.46 | jifl | apropos of nothing, a wee while ago a cheater connected with a user of ".", and said if we voted to ban him an idiosyncrasy in the code would mean that every player would be banned. Was this true? If so, anyone know if it was fixed? |
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| 12:09.21 | theEnemy | ah that's better |
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| 12:14.00 | theEnemy | Just read TimRiker's bzbb post about groups. I'm confused (hurrah!) |
| 12:14.38 | theEnemy | Does this mean that if I'm centrally registered, and then do a /register I wouldn't be able to log in any more until an admin adds me to LOCAL.GLOBAL? |
| 12:41.40 | Pimpinella | theEnemy: no |
| 12:41.56 | theEnemy | no i would or no i wouldn't :-) |
| 12:42.18 | Pimpinella | no, you would be able to login |
| 12:42.38 | theEnemy | cool |
| 12:42.48 | Pimpinella | in either way, local or via listserver |
| 12:43.40 | Pimpinella | just, if you log in locally you can only access permissions granted by local groups |
| 12:44.12 | theEnemy | Then what's LOCAL.GLOBAL for? Surely then someone can register locally as my callsign and they will appear to be me? |
| 12:45.13 | Pimpinella | you need to be on LOCAL.GLOBAL to gain access to both, permissions granted by local and global groups |
| 12:45.44 | theEnemy | oh, so it's solely to do with permissions for groups, rather than dealing with apparent impersonation to other players |
| 12:46.34 | Pimpinella | didn't understand that |
| 12:49.11 | Pimpinella | but to come bach to your question, as far as i understand you are right, somebody else could register your callsigh locally (presumed the server has a local userdb) and appear verified, though the one couldn't access any permissions granted to your global account |
| 12:49.36 | Pimpinella | same vice versa |
| 12:49.58 | theEnemy | right, that's what i was getting at. so this solution sorts out the group permissions. But doesn't mean you can necessarily assume a registered user is who you think it is, even if that user is registered centrally. |
| 12:50.36 | theEnemy | i'm sure there must have been a way to do both, ho hum |
| 12:52.13 | Pimpinella | it's up to an admin with setgroup to verify both local and global account belongs to the same player and add him to LOCAL.GLOBAL |
| 12:52.45 | theEnemy | yeah, i was just thinking of a solution driven by users rather than a local admin |
| 12:53.13 | Pimpinella | yeah, the devs assume, that in the long run all local userdb will be given up |
| 12:53.26 | theEnemy | there aren't enough admins and cops for that though |
| 12:53.38 | theEnemy | not across all the servers anyway. the busy ones sure, but not all. |
| 12:54.13 | theEnemy | so servers will have their own more local admins, unless there's a different proposed solution to that |
| 12:55.18 | Pimpinella | lemme check something... |
| 12:56.59 | Pimpinella | argh, protocol change... |
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| 13:06.35 | Pimpinella | theEnemy: just checked, global login is disabled if the callsign is registerd locally |
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| 13:10.01 | theEnemy | eek, that means if someone registers my name locally on lots of servers I can't stop them unless an admin goes and deletes the local user entirely. Particularly if the server is configured to only allow identified users. Not that they would for me, but they might do so with someone. |
| 13:13.08 | jomojo | Pimpinella: will transfer all registered players names and privs from 1.10 maps to 2.0? |
| 13:13.11 | theEnemy | i.e. suppose I play lots on a server with -requireidentify, using a global login. If someone connects and does a local /register, then I can't play any more until an admin cleans up the mess. |
| 13:13.29 | jomojo | or rather will you transfer |
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| 13:19.20 | Chestal | theEnemy: not with that callsign on this server at least. But that's obvious, there is no other solution |
| 13:19.55 | Chestal | theEnemy: server admins might not use local passwords at all, though, so noone could ever /register there then |
| 13:21.36 | Chestal | theEnemy: furthermore, the same can happen in 1.10 already. And with the global-login it actually less of a problem now, not more |
| 13:22.27 | theEnemy | yeah, but very few servers have -requireidentify now. that will probably change with the centralised system. |
| 13:22.46 | Chestal | we'll see, I wouldn't see that so soon |
| 13:23.31 | Chestal | and if you login with global user/pass once on any server, it knows you |
| 13:23.38 | Chestal | noone would be able to /register the same name then there |
| 13:23.56 | Chestal | cache? |
| 13:24.20 | theEnemy | cache of registered players. |
| 13:24.32 | theEnemy | i.e. a local copy just in acse. |
| 13:24.33 | Chestal | theer is kinda, not sure what you mean |
| 13:24.34 | theEnemy | case |
| 13:24.50 | theEnemy | well, the concern yesterday was what if my.bzflag.org went down |
| 13:25.35 | Chestal | it will hopefully not be down very often |
| 13:25.45 | Chestal | if it is, most servers won't have players anyway |
| 13:26.36 | Chestal | the auth system is not perfect, it's a first step. We'll see how it fares |
| 13:27.14 | Pimpinella | jomojo: i'll port all accounts and privs from 1.10 to 2.0 |
| 13:27.23 | jomojo | thanks |
| 13:27.31 | jomojo | just curious |
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| 13:30.43 | jpa- | still few hours :S |
| 13:31.43 | Pimpinella | jpa-: you have to read the topic more attentively |
| 13:32.23 | jpa- | ~attention |
| 13:32.27 | ibot | hmm... attention is YESSIR |
| 13:32.27 | jpa- | ~dict attention |
| 13:33.06 | jpa- | yes, i have general interest and want to know more of the "few hours" |
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| 13:34.10 | Pimpinella | there's advice to "just watch, and wait (quiently!!!!)" |
| 13:34.29 | jomojo | lol |
| 13:34.46 | Thumper_ | I don't think that is "advice". It's more like a directive :) |
| 13:35.16 | Pimpinella | hm, it's followed by a directive ;) |
| 13:35.16 | jpa- | what does wait mean? |
| 13:35.21 | jpa- | or quietly? |
| 13:35.32 | Pimpinella | ~dict wait |
| 13:35.41 | Thumper_ | The opposite of what Legolas does |
| 13:35.45 | jpa- | probable occurence.. sure |
| 13:36.25 | jpa- | it is feeling more and more seldom occurence :) |
| 13:36.34 | cods | ~dict hour |
| 13:36.43 | jpa- | ok |
| 13:36.51 | jpa- | ~dict few |
| 13:37.14 | jpa- | small number.. |
| 13:37.22 | jpa- | that must be quite relational :) |
| 13:37.50 | jpa- | ok, i don't complain |
| 13:38.06 | Pimpinella | relational to the hours since the last major release? |
| 13:38.11 | jpa- | i put 24h deadline last evening, still 5 hours till it |
| 13:39.08 | jpa- | Pimpinella: if it was like that, hours till next = x * hours after last, we must assume x > 0 |
| 13:39.22 | cods | anyway, for me later is better.. That allow me continue to improve map for 2.0 before the release. |
| 13:39.30 | cods | +to |
| 13:39.33 | Pimpinella | true |
| 13:39.39 | jpa- | is there new windows build? |
| 13:39.51 | Pimpinella | yep |
| 13:40.00 | jpa- | yeah |
| 13:40.17 | Pimpinella | http://my.BZFlag.org/builds/1.11/bzflag1.11.41.exe |
| 13:40.26 | jpa- | yup |
| 13:40.36 | jomojo | is the mac build up to date as well? |
| 13:40.54 | jpa- | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ |
| 13:40.59 | jpa- | yup |
| 13:41.12 | jomojo | because it won't work on one of my machines |
| 13:41.31 | jomojo | i can't test it on my newer one because i am running diagnostics |
| 13:41.39 | jomojo | right now |
| 13:41.59 | Pimpinella | try to build locally |
| 13:42.07 | jomojo | sigh |
| 13:42.13 | jomojo | i rather wait |
| 13:42.19 | Pimpinella | he... |
| 13:42.27 | jomojo | building on this machine takes a week |
| 13:42.44 | jpa- | but you like waiting, eh? :) |
| 13:43.01 | jomojo | in fact for some reason 1.10 quit working on this machine the other day... i can't figure it out |
| 13:43.11 | jomojo | tried doing a build for it but no |
| 13:43.13 | jomojo | luck |
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| 13:47.48 | sgk284 | morning |
| 13:47.53 | Pimpinella | cods: are you somewhat experienced with the new map objects? |
| 13:48.17 | Pimpinella | hi sgk284 |
| 13:52.46 | cods | Pimpinella: yes |
| 13:53.11 | cods | why? |
| 13:54.15 | Pimpinella | there are objects that cant be defined within a group definition |
| 13:54.21 | Pimpinella | gt run, brb |
| 13:54.56 | cods | bzw.5 list object that can be used in a define group |
| 13:57.19 | sgk284 | err how doesone go about editing the wiki? specifically: http://bzflag.org/wiki/DeadReckoning |
| 13:57.30 | sgk284 | nothing major to change |
| 13:58.16 | cods | I guess you need to be registered |
| 13:58.22 | sgk284 | just some minor typos and this interesting quote: "it will send 4 updates: beginning, half of the raise, top, half of descent, landing", last time I checked that was 5 :) |
| 13:58.41 | sgk284 | wow cods thanks yea that makes sense |
| 13:58.50 | cods | without being registered, I get: "You are not allowed to edit any pages." |
| 14:00.09 | Pimpinella | cods: yes, i read bzw.5, but though i cant define them there, i can use them, is that correct? |
| 14:00.39 | cods | you can use them outside the define/enddef group |
| 14:00.44 | cods | (weapon, zone, physics,..) |
| 14:02.10 | Pimpinella | yeah, but if i defined physics foo outside, i can apply it e.g. to a box within the group definition? |
| 14:02.23 | cods | sure you can |
| 14:02.28 | Pimpinella | k |
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| 14:41.46 | jpa- | hmm |
| 14:41.59 | jpa- | has anyone got new windows build working? :) |
| 14:42.26 | cods | hmm |
| 14:42.27 | cods | let me try |
| 14:43.06 | jpa- | two of my friends do not get it working |
| 14:43.14 | jpa- | asked to remove .bzf folder |
| 14:44.00 | cods | @#!$#@ XP is crashing.. |
| 14:44.11 | cods | not even got the time to try install bzflag |
| 14:44.47 | jpa- | is it .bzf or bzf? |
| 14:46.36 | cods | ok installing.. (tried previously 1.11.35 under XP) |
| 14:49.14 | cods | poor laptop |
| 14:49.48 | cods | bzflag crash XP here.. :( |
| 14:50.06 | jpa- | hmm hmm |
| 14:50.12 | cods | I can play for some seconds, then.. boom |
| 14:50.16 | jpa- | try to find .bzf etc and remove that |
| 14:50.31 | jpa- | bluescreen? |
| 14:51.15 | jpa- | "<tersa> comes just starting screen, texts "chat server etc" and other is black, hourglass and bluescreen" |
| 14:51.40 | jpa- | windows98, same problem with .39, but .35 worked |
| 14:51.58 | jpa- | DTRemenak: you might be interested, aren't you one building for windows? |
| 14:53.25 | *** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast007@dialup-4.159.8.223.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) |
| 14:53.30 | cods | i don't get bluescreen, just a completly stuck XP |
| 14:54.50 | jpa- | i will test too :) |
| 14:55.01 | Thumper_ | mine works |
| 14:55.33 | jpa- | Thumper_: clean install or old version previously existed? |
| 14:55.33 | Thumper_ | fresh install - never had 1.11 beta on my windows laptop before, no SP2 |
| 14:55.44 | jpa- | ok |
| 14:55.45 | jpa- | so.. |
| 14:55.58 | cods | for me it's XP/SP2, recent windows update |
| 14:55.58 | Thumper_ | and running in windowed mode |
| 14:56.08 | cods | windowed too |
| 14:56.09 | jpa- | typpi has had, tersa has had, cods has had, thumper has not, only for thumper works |
| 14:56.36 | Thumper_ | I have 1.10.4 on this laptop too |
| 14:57.02 | jpa- | installing.. upcoming ping timeout ,) |
| 14:57.46 | blast007 | Installing DX9.0c on my 98 install |
| 14:59.32 | jpa- | worked |
| 15:00.37 | jpa- | without previous beta under |
| 15:02.36 | Nidhoggr | hrm. the more I think about authentication via the bulletin board database, the more issues I see. |
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| 15:03.56 | Pimpinella | yeah :( |
| 15:04.32 | Pimpinella | well live with what we have |
| 15:04.37 | jpa- | yup |
| 15:04.40 | Pimpinella | we'll live with what we have |
| 15:05.00 | jpa- | i couldn't believe at first that global auth went trough bzbb |
| 15:05.17 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~381047b6@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc) |
| 15:05.51 | Nidhoggr | one thing is that we have a lot of younger players on secretplace. |
| 15:05.58 | Grumbler | ~seen Chestal |
| 15:05.59 | ibot | chestal is currently on #bzflag (2d 8h 30m 21s). Has said a total of 283 messages. Is idling for 1h 39m 23s |
| 15:06.10 | Nidhoggr | they'd have to get parents' permission to register on the board. |
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| 15:06.43 | Pimpinella | kerberos was mostly implemented, but some of the requirements tim had were unsatisfied |
| 15:06.57 | blast007_away | they don't have to register to play |
| 15:07.00 | Pimpinella | so its bzbb now |
| 15:07.13 | Pimpinella | make them register |
| 15:07.16 | Grumbler | aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk |
| 15:07.43 | jpa- | Nidhoggr: or press "over 13" :) |
| 15:08.14 | Pimpinella | i like the new bzw file format :) |
| 15:08.19 | Grumbler | thats ok, we are sending jay and silent bob to verify ages |
| 15:08.25 | Pimpinella | map making is fun now |
| 15:08.37 | Nidhoggr | that's one of the big appeals of secretplace is that we try for g-rated language, etc., so that kids can play safely. |
| 15:09.12 | Nidhoggr | a good number of parents actually play with their kids on our server. |
| 15:09.21 | Grumbler | NIdhoggr, you can wipe the account, i have everything |
| 15:09.30 | Nidhoggr | thanks, G. |
| 15:09.32 | cods | what mean 'g-rated' ? |
| 15:09.46 | Grumbler | it mean i approve |
| 15:09.50 | Grumbler | :) |
| 15:10.01 | jpa- | haha :) |
| 15:10.12 | Nidhoggr | cods - g-rated is the american film board's rating for movies that are acceptable for children. |
| 15:10.21 | Nidhoggr | no sex or bad language. |
| 15:11.42 | cods | ok |
| 15:12.08 | cods | 'g' mean nothing particular by itself ? |
| 15:12.09 | Pimpinella | no sex or bad language, everybody's praying all the while and there's always a happy end -> waltons ;) |
| 15:16.04 | jpa- | ok |
| 15:16.07 | jpa- | fix found |
| 15:16.46 | jpa- | cods, Thumper_, DTRemenak: when updating from 1.11.35 -> 1.11.39 or higher on windows, remove "My bzflag files" under "My documents" |
| 15:17.07 | cods | hmm ok |
| 15:17.35 | blast007_ | ah, that's probably why mine works....fresh install of windows ;) |
| 15:18.02 | cods | however.. for me that work for some seconds.. |
| 15:18.16 | cods | I can play for ~10 seconds, then that crash |
| 15:18.42 | blast007_ | hmm |
| 15:20.34 | jpa- | cods: hmm |
| 15:20.50 | jpa- | cods: sp2 crashed for me, dialog pops up |
| 15:21.11 | jpa- | i choose "remove block" etc. and restart bzflag |
| 15:21.14 | jpa- | -> works |
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| 15:29.05 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 15:29.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 15:31.39 | brlcad | moin |
| 15:32.37 | jpa- | .35 -> .38 fix worked for my both friends :) |
| 15:32.39 | bryjen | hola |
| 15:32.43 | jpa- | case solved (tm) |
| 15:33.07 | jpa- | you should put that in readme for 2.0.0 to remove My bzflag files if having problems |
| 15:37.49 | Nidhoggr | hi brlcad |
| 15:37.56 | Nidhoggr | good morning, TimRiker |
| 15:37.57 | brlcad | mornin |
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| 15:42.07 | TimRiker | moin all. |
| 15:42.17 | Legolas | hi |
| 15:42.32 | Legolas | how do i check if i have a message? |
| 15:42.37 | TimRiker | Legolas: hey.. how many forum accounts do you have? |
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| 15:43.02 | Legolas | 1 on Brad2901.shorty114.net/forums |
| 15:43.11 | TimRiker | Legolas: botmail? do /msg ibot botmail read 1 or similar. |
| 15:43.18 | Legolas | ok |
| 15:43.46 | Nidhoggr | I think Tim was talking about the bzbb forum. |
| 15:43.55 | TimRiker | there are 2 forum accounts for Legolas@A... and one Legolas_a... are those you? |
| 15:44.04 | Legolas | thanks |
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| 15:45.13 | Legolas | doesnt seem to wor |
| 15:45.13 | Legolas | work |
| 15:45.31 | Nidhoggr | is your irc nick registered to you? |
| 15:46.00 | bryjen | Brad2901.shorty114.net/forums ?? |
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| 15:46.50 | brlcad | ahh, trying to get information out of a 13-year old |
| 15:47.06 | brlcad | there are |
| 15:47.22 | brlcad | one is this hyper one of recent appearances |
| 15:47.31 | Grumbler | one of them has two sisters that beat the heck out of him |
| 15:47.34 | bryjen | legolasses? |
| 15:47.36 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 15:47.39 | Nidhoggr | legoli! |
| 15:47.40 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:47.47 | brlcad | the other the older quiet guy that frequents ducati and secretplace with his dad |
| 15:48.08 | Nidhoggr | he's actually pretty young... and he is the one with the account on bzbb. |
| 15:48.24 | Nidhoggr | his sister is Merry |
| 15:48.29 | TimRiker | Legolas: what does not work? |
| 15:48.33 | Legolas | oh someone else uses my callsign? |
| 15:48.34 | brlcad | yeah, he is.. though I think he's a couple years older than this fella |
| 15:48.38 | brlcad | and Arwen |
| 15:48.59 | Nidhoggr | Legolas, which one are you? :) |
| 15:49.04 | brlcad | Legolas: uhm, we've had this conversation before at least twice now |
| 15:49.04 | Grumbler | feel sry for the kid, they beat the heck out of him with pillows |
| 15:49.09 | TimRiker | Legolas: no.. I see multiple callsigns on the bzbb forums that start with legolas. 2 of them include @ in them. |
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| 15:49.20 | Nidhoggr | hi sgk284 |
| 15:49.21 | TimRiker | don't know if they are you, so I'm asking if they are. |
| 15:49.25 | sgk284 | hey nidhoggr |
| 15:49.47 | Legolas | they are min |
| 15:49.51 | Legolas | mine* |
| 15:49.56 | brlcad | I believe the fella I know as "Legolas" actually has the name legolas on bzbb, iirc |
| 15:50.02 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, the code for the 2.0 whitelist wont be too much different then 1.10.8 so expect hopefully within 24 hrs of the 2.0 release:) |
| 15:50.09 | Grumbler | TImRiker, you assume that this lego will be forthwith and not have a couple accounts deletedd for some devilish purpose |
| 15:50.35 | Legolas | lol Grumbler i dont mean any harm |
| 15:50.48 | Legolas | brb |
| 15:51.03 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, the php stuff though is going to be completely different... |
| 15:51.04 | TimRiker | Legolas: the accounts with @ in them will not work for in-game login. I'm suggesting that you rename those two accounts. |
| 15:51.23 | Grumbler | he left |
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| 15:51.35 | TimRiker | sure enough. tough guy to talk to. |
| 15:51.47 | sgk284 | heh |
| 15:51.50 | Grumbler | maybe just a PM to those people with bad logins on bzbb |
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| 15:52.42 | Nidhoggr | thanks, sgk284 :) |
| 15:52.51 | Grumbler | since they have to have valid email accounts, and if they dont, delete'em |
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| 15:54.24 | SportChick | he's back, Timriker |
| 15:55.20 | TimRiker | looks like someone registered the nick here on freenode. /me wonders if it was the Legolas |
| 15:55.44 | TimRiker | sgk284: it's called bzbb ;-) |
| 15:55.49 | sgk284 | heh |
| 15:56.45 | TimRiker | could check for un-read bzbb personal msgs and add display that on entering the game. |
| 15:57.11 | bryjen | and, no, that's not an invitation to embed a web browser in bzflag ;) |
| 15:57.16 | sgk284 | haha |
| 15:57.17 | TimRiker | heh |
| 15:57.31 | Grumbler | driving tanks and surfing the web for toasters |
| 15:57.43 | sgk284 | bzflag servers could start making moeny with pop-ups ;) |
| 15:57.52 | sgk284 | s/moeny/money |
| 15:57.55 | bryjen | !lart sgk284 |
| 15:58.04 | Grumbler | ~whaleslap sgk284 |
| 15:58.07 | ibot | ACTION slaps sgk284 upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 15:58.07 | sgk284 | haha |
| 15:58.36 | TimRiker | sgk284: well, and then there are "billboards" too. ;-) |
| 15:58.50 | sgk284 | heh |
| 15:58.57 | Grumbler | billboards would be cool.....as long as you could blow them up |
| 15:59.11 | TimRiker | next we'll have an html to bzflag billboard renderer (a cgi script) and then you update the image and get the next add. |
| 15:59.14 | sgk284 | "shoot the bouncing monkey to win a prize" |
| 15:59.39 | TimRiker | where's the url for the gnome billboard? |
| 15:59.55 | Grumbler | you could have radio like advertising....... |
| 15:59.56 | sgk284 | ~google gnome billboard |
| 16:00.27 | bryjen | was that something JeffM was working on? |
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| 16:01.53 | sgk284 | will bzbb let you easily check for unread messages or would it require digging through the html? |
| 16:02.19 | sgk284 | which i guess would still be easy... |
| 16:02.50 | bryjen | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/bzflag/billboard/bzfi0000.png |
| 16:02.57 | bryjen | ~ibot++ |
| 16:03.29 | bryjen | slow loading screenshot |
| 16:04.05 | TimRiker | bryjen: awww. you beat me. I was about to paste that. |
| 16:04.11 | bryjen | hmm, does the token number thingy in that a bad thing? |
| 16:04.17 | bryjen | s/does/is/ |
| 16:04.17 | sgk284 | heh |
| 16:04.39 | bryjen | or do they expire quickly or on use |
| 16:04.46 | SportChick | that's bizarre - I replied to one PM in bzbb and then replied to another and it won't let me - says it's too soon since my last post (even though the recipient was different thant he first) |
| 16:04.59 | TimRiker | bryjen: nope. tokens expire after use. |
| 16:05.04 | sgk284 | i think the tokens are session based |
| 16:05.18 | sgk284 | yea what timriker said :) |
| 16:05.24 | bryjen | SportChick: "Me Too!" post overload prevention |
| 16:06.30 | sgk284 | is that billboard screenshot from bzflag or a modified version? |
| 16:06.44 | TimRiker | sgk284: unmodified cvs bzflag. |
| 16:07.09 | sgk284 | since when could bzflag mpas have multiple light sources? |
| 16:07.17 | sgk284 | i.e. the spotlights lining the bottom |
| 16:07.30 | brlcad | nice billboard |
| 16:07.54 | brlcad | so .. who would like to be my first paying sponsor? :) |
| 16:08.11 | sgk284 | lol |
| 16:08.39 | TimRiker | sgk284: I would guess it's not really a light source. just a translucent surface. |
| 16:08.58 | sgk284 | heh its a nice effect |
| 16:09.00 | TimRiker | ie: it would not light up at night. |
| 16:09.21 | bryjen | its no good until the game fetches textures from somewhere other than the local filesystem |
| 16:10.03 | TimRiker | bryjen: nod. "download this advertisement and put in in your data folder" just doesn't seem to cut it, huh? |
| 16:10.05 | sgk284 | why not just bundle custom textures in a tarball with the map file and send it to the client? |
| 16:10.21 | sgk284 | oh still referencing adverts heh |
| 16:10.22 | TimRiker | sgk284: just work that's not done yet. |
| 16:10.36 | sgk284 | okay |
| 16:10.37 | bryjen | "appropriate content" issues |
| 16:11.52 | brlcad | http://www.cubehacker.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=229 if anyone is interested in a possible $500 for getting bz on gamecube :) |
| 16:12.23 | Nidhoggr | that would be so cool. :) |
| 16:13.05 | sgk284 | does gcube have net access? |
| 16:13.41 | Nidhoggr | isn't their linux for ps2? |
| 16:13.46 | sgk284 | yea |
| 16:13.57 | sgk284 | and xbox, and kind of for gamecube |
| 16:14.01 | blast007_ | PS2 linux isn't sold in the USA anymore though |
| 16:14.21 | blast007_ | they only made a certain amount, and it ran out |
| 16:14.25 | Nidhoggr | aah |
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| 16:17.04 | Nidhoggr | anyone have an idea of how we can have people registered on my.bzflag.org but not give them forum access, as with kids under 13 who want to register their callsigns? |
| 16:17.50 | blast007_ | does local /register and /identify still work? |
| 16:18.17 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, the problem with the under 13 thing, is not them posting |
| 16:18.23 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, why wouldn't a 13 year old be able to post? |
| 16:18.27 | JeffM2501 | it's us storing a password for them |
| 16:18.38 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, COPPA |
| 16:18.42 | TimRiker | blast007: is there is a passdb, then yes. |
| 16:18.43 | JeffM2501 | with out consent of the parrent |
| 16:18.53 | JeffM2501 | we can't store any data for a child under 13 |
| 16:18.59 | sgk284 | oh... |
| 16:19.08 | Nidhoggr | yes, but I am trying to get rid of local user files if possible, unless someone can supply a way to share user files without corrupting, and having to go to another server to /register. |
| 16:19.18 | TimRiker | is there opengl on the gamecube? linux port or otherwise? |
| 16:19.27 | sgk284 | an md5 checksum isn't necessarily data per se... :) |
| 16:19.29 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, legaly you can't even store local user data for kids under 13 |
| 16:19.36 | JeffM2501 | it's not just a forum/web thing |
| 16:19.42 | Nidhoggr | where's this at? |
| 16:20.32 | TimRiker | ~google coppa |
| 16:20.36 | JeffM2501 | http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/coppa.htm |
| 16:20.39 | sgk284 | TimRiker, http://www.gc-linux.org/, not sure how much progress they've made recently though :/ |
| 16:20.40 | JeffM2501 | http://www.ftc.gov/ogc/coppa1.htm |
| 16:21.03 | JeffM2501 | If you operate a commercial Web site or an online service directed to children under 13 that collects personal information from children or if you operate a general audience Web site and have actual knowledge that you are collecting personal information from children, you must comply with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act. |
| 16:21.10 | JeffM2501 | bzflag falls into the "online service" section |
| 16:21.27 | JeffM2501 | bzflag has no privacy policcy |
| 16:21.30 | TimRiker | hmm. what does "directed to children under 13" mean? |
| 16:21.33 | Nidhoggr | hrm.. a single password, as in /register <password> can hardly be considered collecting "user data" |
| 16:21.42 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, aka NOT PORN SITE |
| 16:21.49 | blast007_ | what do they consider "personal information"? |
| 16:22.02 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, password username and mail are considered it |
| 16:22.11 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: if we had a privacy policy, would that change things? |
| 16:22.11 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, "personal information" and "operated for commercial purposes," |
| 16:22.18 | Nidhoggr | yeah, but regular /register doesn't collect email. |
| 16:22.29 | JeffM2501 | no it does not |
| 16:22.38 | sgk284 | can't really see a 128-bit md5 sum being a problem... but thats just me |
| 16:22.54 | sgk284 | its more or less noise :) |
| 16:23.38 | Nidhoggr | yeah... the text basically says that just allowing a /register password isn't considered "personal information". |
| 16:24.03 | sgk284 | yea their definition of personal information is outside the scope of password |
| 16:24.18 | sgk284 | but registering on bzbb does ask for name, email, etc... |
| 16:24.24 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:24.51 | sgk284 | so that may be a problem... maybe add a check box or something and the fields are grayed out or ignored if its not checked |
| 16:25.56 | TimRiker | I've been thinking we need a switch that means "check on the boards for a nick collision before allowing /register" |
| 16:25.56 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:25.56 | sgk284 | i dont think bzflag falls under coppa |
| 16:25.56 | sgk284 | (i) a commercial website or online service that is targeted to children; or |
| 16:25.56 | sgk284 | (ii) that portion of a commercial website or online service that is targeted to children. |
| 16:25.56 | TimRiker | means a new query type in bzfls.php and code in bzfs to interface with it. |
| 16:26.18 | TimRiker | sgk284: hmm. could be. nothing commercial here. |
| 16:26.44 | Nidhoggr | maybe there is someone we can contact to get an official ruling. |
| 16:27.20 | sgk284 | TimRiker, and we aren't targeted to children |
| 16:27.29 | sgk284 | necessarily:) |
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| 16:27.58 | Nidhoggr | and it really stresses the commercial aspect. |
| 16:29.17 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, you have the most exposure in the web industry, got any contacts that would know? |
| 16:30.02 | sgk284 | http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/coppa.htm |
| 16:30.05 | TimRiker | yeah, I'll run it past some legal friends of mine and come back with an opinion. |
| 16:30.18 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: I can check around. |
| 16:30.36 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: cool. keep me posted. |
| 16:30.55 | JeffM2501 | the wording of the actual act, dosn't realy say anything about comercial or otherwise |
| 16:31.00 | sgk284 | the bottom part of that link has contact info |
| 16:31.05 | JeffM2501 | that stuff on that site may just be one interp |
| 16:31.11 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. it says "including", etc. |
| 16:31.33 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.34 | JeffM2501 | ``the direct or passive gathering of any personal information from a |
| 16:31.34 | JeffM2501 | child by any means, including but not limited to: (a) [a]ny online |
| 16:31.34 | JeffM2501 | request for personal information by the operator regardless of how that |
| 16:31.34 | JeffM2501 | personal information is transmitted to the operator; (b) [c]ollection |
| 16:31.34 | JeffM2501 | using a chat room, message board, or other public posting of such |
| 16:31.36 | JeffM2501 | information on a website or online service; or (c) [p]assive tracking |
| 16:31.38 | JeffM2501 | or use of any identifying code linked to an individual, such as a |
| 16:31.40 | JeffM2501 | cookie.'' \14\ The term was meant to encompass the many ways that |
| 16:31.42 | JeffM2501 | website operators could gather information from children. |
| 16:32.08 | Nidhoggr | hm. |
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| 16:33.31 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does send data now to a public source, with the list server connect ( version and OS ), it should have a privacy pollicy |
| 16:33.44 | JeffM2501 | it may suffice to have it shown once per install |
| 16:33.56 | sgk284 | someone can email this address: kidsprivacy@ftc.gov i guess TimRiker would be the best candidate, but i dunno |
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| 16:34.57 | Grumbler | man, it was a lot easier to deal with when bz was just a bunch of lines |
| 16:36.04 | Mr_Molez | :p |
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| 16:38.24 | JeffM2501 | the privacy notice and requiring the parental connsent is not for the childs protection, but for the site owners, so they can not be sued by the parents. |
| 16:39.13 | JeffM2501 | so realy it's how much Tim or Nid feel they want to protect themselves, since they would most likely be considered "the operators" |
| 16:39.24 | sgk284 | anyone give any thought into finding a few creative commons, gnu, or public domain textures to include in the data directory for the official 2.0 release, they won't be used by default but will be available for map makers to reference easily |
| 16:39.58 | JeffM2501 | just make a map kit, the diaupies will balk at downloading stuff that isn't used |
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| 16:40.08 | JeffM2501 | since there is no low res version of the game now |
| 16:40.20 | TimRiker | I consider Nid the hosting company, and I'm the operator. If there are any issues, I would think they would hit me directly. |
| 16:40.32 | TimRiker | I'm happy to sign anything anyone wants to that effect. |
| 16:41.19 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, but if i make a map that references a texture not already in the data directory, don't the players have to download the textures and move them to {bzflag}/data/ ? |
| 16:41.41 | sgk284 | i mean outside of bzflag... i.e. from a website |
| 16:41.45 | TimRiker | well, I suppose I speak for bzbb info, and not for local server info as anyone can add one of those. |
| 16:42.25 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, yes |
| 16:42.43 | Nidhoggr | TimRiker: that's probably correct. |
| 16:42.47 | sgk284 | oh nevermind, your issue was the larger download... right? |
| 16:42.49 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, but you have to ballance that with download times |
| 16:42.52 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:42.59 | sgk284 | okay :) |
| 16:43.20 | JeffM2501 | no texture set you pick is going to be complete anyway |
| 16:43.28 | JeffM2501 | so people are going to end up downloading stuff |
| 16:43.34 | JeffM2501 | so they may as well get used to it |
| 16:43.39 | sgk284 | heh |
| 16:43.44 | sgk284 | at least until 2.01 :) |
| 16:43.58 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.1 would never be released |
| 16:44.03 | JeffM2501 | and would never change protocoll |
| 16:44.08 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be done as 2.0.2 |
| 16:44.09 | Mr_Molez | when is version 2 scheduled for release ? |
| 16:44.16 | JeffM2501 | soon |
| 16:44.19 | Mr_Molez | heheh |
| 16:44.25 | JeffM2501 | read the topic |
| 16:44.28 | jpa- | Mr_Molez: wait quietly! |
| 16:44.34 | jpa- | it is now + few hours |
| 16:44.41 | jpa- | and it will always be that :) |
| 16:45.01 | TimRiker | is everyone testing .41 now? |
| 16:45.17 | jpa- | atleast i was :) |
| 16:45.34 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Thank you, RPG! - http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=26845#26845 || Releases posted in a few hours.. don't ask, just watch, and wait (quietly) || Go download and test 1.11.41! |
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| 16:45.59 | jpa- | TimRiker: can you handle adding advice to remove "My bzflag files" when updating from 1.11.3x -> .41 on windows? |
| 16:46.05 | TimRiker | ~bzflist one.bzflag.org:5153 |
| 16:46.14 | jpa- | because bzflag hangs if that is not done |
| 16:46.19 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery one.bzflag.org:5153 |
| 16:46.43 | TimRiker | jpa-: hmm. not sure I know the issues there. |
| 16:46.55 | jpa- | TimRiker: i do, go on and ask :) |
| 16:47.16 | TimRiker | if you know, then post the info. ;-) |
| 16:47.20 | jpa- | if there was a 1.11.35 installed, and installed .39 or .41 on windows, it hanged :) |
| 16:47.23 | jpa- | post where? |
| 16:47.33 | TimRiker | on the forums |
| 16:47.41 | jpa- | no-one reads them :) |
| 16:47.47 | sgk284 | lol |
| 16:47.52 | JeffM2501 | they do, they just don't often reply |
| 16:47.59 | jpa- | i thought the 1.11 builds page :) |
| 16:48.04 | TimRiker | then in the wiki. no one reads there either. |
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| 16:48.26 | jpa- | JeffM2501: people i found having this problem would never have found themselves reading forum for answer |
| 16:48.39 | jpa- | and errors vary by windows version, so google does not work |
| 16:48.52 | JeffM2501 | well humans don't read |
| 16:48.55 | JeffM2501 | they babble |
| 16:49.12 | JeffM2501 | and beg for answers to be feed them line by line |
| 16:49.18 | JeffM2501 | so they don't have to think for themeslves |
| 16:49.28 | JeffM2501 | and can continue thier sheeplike lives |
| 16:49.33 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 16:49.38 | Mr_Molez | strong views you have there |
| 16:49.43 | jpa- | ok, i don't care about windows people anyway :) |
| 16:49.44 | sgk284 | JeffM2501 must have been tortured as a child ;) |
| 16:49.46 | JeffM2501 | ok not everyone |
| 16:49.52 | JeffM2501 | just the current children :) |
| 16:50.00 | sgk284 | heh |
| 16:50.19 | JeffM2501 | ohh no I was fine, I was taught how to go learn stuff for myself, something the current generation seems to lack |
| 16:50.20 | bryjen | JeffM2501 did time on a help desk |
| 16:50.29 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 16:50.38 | sgk284 | ouch... that explains it |
| 16:50.56 | jpa- | i'm volunteering on one shell-server helpdesk :) |
| 16:50.57 | JeffM2501 | they woudln't be steriotypes if there wasn't some truth to them. |
| 16:52.16 | sgk284 | you gotta love slashdot... they find a job posting by google and speculate about it to death... a little absurd if you ask me :) |
| 16:52.27 | jpa- | yet i have not had so bad questions.. worst was "how can i copy my mysql database when i can not write to /var/lib/mysql/" :) |
| 16:53.32 | JeffM2501 | then they are not comments, but just thoughts |
| 16:54.43 | bryjen | instead of tools you use to do things |
| 16:55.03 | JeffM2501 | for that I blame AOL |
| 16:55.06 | JeffM2501 | and apple :) |
| 16:55.42 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, ping |
| 16:56.04 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 16:56.16 | Grumbler | their not magic......then what about all these bunnies i have |
| 16:56.26 | sgk284 | do your logs show when people pick up or drop flags? |
| 16:56.33 | Nidhoggr | nope. |
| 16:56.36 | sgk284 | k |
| 16:56.59 | bryjen | Grumbler: they fell out of the hat, of course! ;) |
| 16:57.17 | sgk284 | i just wanted to see if the ratio of good to bad flags on the map is equal to or close to the ratio for an individual tank |
| 16:57.20 | Grumbler | HAT.....is that HAT 1.0, or is it a new apple product |
| 16:57.54 | bryjen | or maybe you pulled them out of your... |
| 16:58.24 | Grumbler | ...no, i am pretty sure that has been permenantly archived |
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| 17:13.43 | TimRiker | ibot: bzfquery one.bzflag.org:5153 |
| 17:14.00 | TimRiker | got a live cvs server with players anyplace? |
| 17:15.06 | sgk284 | try on.bzflag.org again in 5 seconds |
| 17:16.12 | SportChick | now try |
| 17:16.45 | jpa- | TimRiker: yes |
| 17:17.06 | jpa- | ibot: bzfquery warri1.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 17:17.34 | TimRiker | look correct? |
| 17:17.49 | TimRiker | ibot: bzfquery one.bzflag.org:5153 |
| 17:20.12 | sgk284 | i won :) |
| 17:20.29 | TimRiker | ibot: bzfquery one.bzflag.org:5153 |
| 17:20.38 | orange | hehe |
| 17:22.27 | Nidhoggr | when I do ./configure why do I get "libcurl disabled - MOTD, global bans, etc. disabled"? does that mean curl is not installed? |
| 17:22.46 | Nidhoggr | hrm. says it's installed. |
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| 17:25.07 | Legolas | hi guys |
| 17:25.58 | Nidhoggr | hrm. says same thing even with --enable-curl |
| 17:25.59 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: my.b.o does not have the -dev for curl. installing now... |
| 17:26.06 | Nidhoggr | oh.. thanks. |
| 17:26.28 | Legolas | hi |
| 17:26.49 | Nidhoggr | hi Legolas |
| 17:27.35 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: try now. |
| 17:27.42 | Nidhoggr | thanks |
| 17:28.22 | Legolas | so whats new with 1.11.45? |
| 17:28.43 | Nidhoggr | much better. :) |
| 17:28.55 | Nidhoggr | not sure what changes, Legolas |
| 17:29.43 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: hmm. sdl check is failing for me. |
| 17:29.57 | Nidhoggr | did for me, too. I disabled client to get around. |
| 17:30.15 | Nidhoggr | I thought it was because something wasn't quite perfect with my opengl stuff. |
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| 17:30.30 | Legolas | hey wegstar |
| 17:30.39 | TimRiker | ahh, killing my config.cache fixed it. |
| 17:30.49 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 17:31.06 | Nidhoggr | I figure as long as bzadmin builds, I don't need client. |
| 17:31.24 | Nidhoggr | before, I had to compile client or bzadmin wouldn't compile. |
| 17:32.49 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: what do you pass to configure to get a static build? |
| 17:33.20 | Nidhoggr | nothing. I had to export some shell variables. |
| 17:33.43 | Nidhoggr | export LIBS="-pthread -ldl" |
| 17:33.43 | Nidhoggr | export LDFLAGS=-static |
| 17:34.42 | TimRiker | tried it on one command line? ie: LIBS="-pthread -ldl" LDFLAGS=-static ./configure --prefix=/usr or similar? |
| 17:35.12 | Nidhoggr | I always use it in same shell in screen, so I just set it up once every time I reboot the box. |
| 17:35.22 | Nidhoggr | I'm sure it'd work on the command line. |
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| 17:52.25 | Nidhoggr | tim: is there any reason there is no "nobody" group by default on the debian stuff? |
| 17:53.37 | t-s | On Mac OS X with bash I save those data (e.g. "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin") into "~/.profile" so I don't have to retype it |
| 17:54.21 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/debian/control: add libcurl-dev to Build-Depends |
| 17:55.39 | Nidhoggr | t-s I only want it for the one window where I compile bzfs... the other windows I don't want to compile static. |
| 17:56.55 | t-s | Nidhoggr: For that I don't know an elegant solution :-( |
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| 17:58.12 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, i think nobody is supposed to be the user for services and stuff... |
| 17:58.37 | sgk284 | although in reality each service should have its own user... |
| 17:58.49 | Nidhoggr | sgk284: yes, but there is also usually a "nobody" group to go along with it. |
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| 17:59.14 | legolas | hi |
| 17:59.31 | legolas | how do i get it so that if you are registered yuo must login? |
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| 18:00.21 | t-s | Nidhoggr: Can you use a special user for that one case? |
| 18:00.55 | Nidhoggr | t-s, my solutions works ok... I only reboot the machine every few hundred days. |
| 18:01.40 | Nidhoggr | legolas: create a REGISTERED group with requireidentify as one of the permissions. |
| 18:01.42 | *** join/#bzflag bz0453 (~4470abed@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:01.51 | legolas | ok |
| 18:02.15 | legolas | will that work with the new version? i thought it was changed to VERTIFIED |
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| 18:03.08 | tapo | "libcurl disabled - MOTD, global bans, etc. disabled"? hm? |
| 18:03.58 | Legoguy | woah, cool, ProFont is in CVS |
| 18:03.59 | Legoguy | thanks guys |
| 18:04.03 | Legoguy | :D |
| 18:04.17 | Nidhoggr | tapo: what OS/distribution? |
| 18:05.14 | sgk284 | whatever font has been being used in bzflag cvs has received some complaints... |
| 18:05.26 | TimRiker | sgk284: the new or the old? |
| 18:05.37 | sgk284 | i like it alot, but others made comments such as wwwwww all look like one continuous thing |
| 18:05.44 | tapo | linux / suse. installed curl-devel a moment ago. bzflag newest cvs |
| 18:05.45 | sgk284 | err the one from at least 5 hours ago |
| 18:05.49 | *** part/#bzflag theEnemy (~jifl@cpc3-cmbg5-3-0-cust28.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:06.19 | tapo | some days ago it needed no curl-devel |
| 18:06.30 | orchid | Nidhoggr: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 18:06.33 | Nidhoggr | it needs curl-dev now, though. |
| 18:06.47 | sgk284 | i like the font, think its clean and everything but if there are alternatives i guess they are worth lookign at |
| 18:06.59 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: there's normally a nogroup, but nobody does not normally have it's own group. |
| 18:07.01 | tapo | ok, make |
| 18:07.01 | Legoguy | sgk284: which one, ProFont, or Vera Mono |
| 18:07.28 | Legoguy | sgk284: Vera Mono is still the default |
| 18:07.29 | sgk284 | how can i check? :) |
| 18:07.59 | Legoguy | sgk284: you can change the console to ProFont by adding "set consoleFont profont" to your config file |
| 18:08.09 | Legoguy | see how you like it ;) |
| 18:09.25 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I guess the right way is to make a group for running bzflag processes. |
| 18:09.43 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: that's recommended, yeah. |
| 18:10.10 | Legoguy | that's what I did for my gentoo setup |
| 18:10.15 | Legoguy | made bzfs:bzfs |
| 18:10.27 | orange | sgk284: looked better with the w's, didn't it? |
| 18:10.42 | Legoguy | and made a whole nifty init script |
| 18:10.56 | TimRiker | i'd recommend a bzflag:bzflag myself. |
| 18:11.00 | sgk284 | umm... didn't work:) |
| 18:11.05 | orange | oh, it did for me |
| 18:11.11 | Legoguy | did you check out latest cvs? |
| 18:11.29 | sgk284 | nevermind... 2.0's config is in a subdirectory of .bzf |
| 18:11.37 | Legoguy | yeah |
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| 18:12.29 | Nidhoggr | Tim: I think I'm saving bzflag.bzflag for stuff that's not specifically secretplace related. I'm just gunna use spadmin |
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| 18:12.34 | sgk284 | nice! |
| 18:13.00 | sgk284 | is profotn the new default? |
| 18:13.06 | sgk284 | profont* |
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| 18:13.21 | Legoguy | i don't know |
| 18:13.28 | Legoguy | i think vera still is |
| 18:13.39 | TimRiker | sgk284: should not be, no. vera should be the default. |
| 18:13.47 | Legoguy | but if course with enough people wanting it default.. ;) |
| 18:14.57 | sgk284 | okay :) |
| 18:15.04 | sgk284 | vera is nice too |
| 18:15.23 | sgk284 | ugh i changed my language somehow in the options.... heh |
| 18:16.15 | sgk284 | fixed it :) |
| 18:16.17 | sgk284 | whew |
| 18:16.29 | t-s | Can anyone confim that mouse movement in windowed mode on Mac OS X with BZFlag-1.11.41.20050117 is inverted? |
| 18:19.39 | sgk284 | every few times i start up bzflag (cvs) it draws the black screen and tabs then just sits there for like 30 seconds... i think its trying to get the motd... anyway it just took like a minute and so i killed it |
| 18:19.44 | sgk284 | that a problem? |
| 18:19.59 | sgk284 | i dont know if its the motd... i'm just kind of assuming |
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| 18:21.51 | Legolas | hi |
| 18:22.05 | sgk284 | hey lego |
| 18:22.13 | Legolas | so whats new? |
| 18:22.37 | Legolas | if you have the chance can you tell me some of the variables for 1.11.41? |
| 18:23.28 | JeffM2501 | the ones in /set ? |
| 18:23.38 | Legolas | yeah |
| 18:23.43 | JeffM2501 | just type /set |
| 18:23.46 | JeffM2501 | it'll list them |
| 18:23.49 | Legolas | ok |
| 18:24.24 | Legolas | hey jeff how do you get a object that will blow the tank up if it tuoches it? |
| 18:24.41 | JeffM2501 | probably a physics driver |
| 18:25.01 | sgk284 | Legolas, your best bet is to save a map with an object like that, then read it |
| 18:25.56 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 18:26.04 | Legolas | read what? |
| 18:26.07 | Nidhoggr | sgk... your patch isn't working for -pidfile |
| 18:26.12 | Nidhoggr | I'm getting an error. |
| 18:27.48 | Nidhoggr | my command line is... |
| 18:27.50 | Nidhoggr | chroot /usr/games/bzflag /bzfs1.11 -d -pidfile pids/razz.pid -conf /conf/RazzberryWorld.conf > logs/razz.`date +%y%j%I%M`.log 2>&1 & |
| 18:27.54 | Nidhoggr | and I get... |
| 18:28.23 | Nidhoggr | bad argument "pids/razz.pid" |
| 18:28.57 | JeffM2501 | sgk284 made changes to that? |
| 18:29.07 | Nidhoggr | he wrote the patch |
| 18:29.11 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:29.11 | Nidhoggr | oooh |
| 18:29.13 | Nidhoggr | nevermind |
| 18:29.13 | JeffM2501 | no he didn't |
| 18:29.14 | Nidhoggr | YOU did |
| 18:29.18 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:29.23 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: I am having a problem with pid stuff. |
| 18:29.24 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 18:29.27 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:29.30 | JeffM2501 | looking now |
| 18:29.56 | JeffM2501 | I have to CO |
| 18:30.46 | JeffM2501 | all I have now pserver files, need to redo with ext |
| 18:31.11 | Nidhoggr | ok |
| 18:31.19 | Nidhoggr | I'll start without pid for now. :) |
| 18:31.23 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: just remove all the Root files and set CVSROOT (or edit them) |
| 18:31.26 | JeffM2501 | well try it with out a path |
| 18:31.44 | JeffM2501 | it's just as fast for me to just reCO |
| 18:31.52 | TimRiker | k |
| 18:32.02 | JeffM2501 | with tort it's just a right click |
| 18:32.16 | JeffM2501 | since ext was still in the project cache |
| 18:32.51 | Nidhoggr | so I have razzberry world up on newest cvs server code on secretplace 5888 |
| 18:32.51 | Chestal | hmm, is /groupperme supposed to shall all groups with perms or only groups I am in? |
| 18:32.53 | JeffM2501 | I realy wish there was a tort for one of the X window managers |
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| 18:33.02 | Chestal | /groupperms, that is |
| 18:33.46 | Tupone | t-s: I know the sdl-1.2.7 has inverted mouse. 1.28 fixed it. I even remember that brlcad fixed it when saw the inverted mouse. Now if the blcad fixes are still in and you're using 1.2.8 probably you get the inverted mouse :) |
| 18:33.47 | tapo | bzflag -window still changes my X brightness. |
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| 18:34.18 | jpa- | Tupone: :D |
| 18:34.32 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:34.42 | t-s | Tupone: iBuch:~ ts$ sdl-config --version |
| 18:34.42 | t-s | 1.2.7 |
| 18:35.35 | Tupone | I should ask brlcad again. Can you try with 1.2.8 |
| 18:35.48 | Nidhoggr | hrm. how do you set up connecting to m.b.o for the server? |
| 18:36.30 | JeffM2501 | you don't set anything |
| 18:36.32 | JeffM2501 | it just happens |
| 18:36.41 | JeffM2501 | with the -public |
| 18:36.47 | t-s | Tupone: I dunno whether there is a new version of SDL out, but I installed mine less than a week ago via Fink (it has to be installed that way) and current sources don't build again |
| 18:36.49 | bryjen | lock-up. lovely. was tring .41 on tuxee and it froze. could move mouse (bz had grabbed it tho), keyboard was useless as i couldn't un-focus bz. |
| 18:37.13 | Tupone | 1.2.8 is out, probably 2 weeks ago |
| 18:37.40 | Tupone | t-s: better ask brlcad |
| 18:39.10 | t-s | Tupone: I first try to sink packages then trying to upgrade SDL |
| 18:39.59 | JeffM2501 | nid, you want to do a test for me? |
| 18:40.03 | JeffM2501 | for your pidfile problem? |
| 18:40.06 | JeffM2501 | cus I can't test here |
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| 18:40.44 | JeffM2501 | it's a one line change |
| 18:43.07 | Nidhoggr | sure |
| 18:43.44 | JeffM2501 | on line 811 of cmdLineOptions.cxx |
| 18:43.51 | *** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast@dialup-4.159.80.128.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) |
| 18:43.54 | JeffM2501 | right after unsigned int pid = 0; |
| 18:44.02 | JeffM2501 | put this |
| 18:44.03 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.08 | JeffM2501 | on it's own line |
| 18:44.14 | JeffM2501 | and give that a go |
| 18:46.07 | Nidhoggr | recompiling now. |
| 18:46.41 | JeffM2501 | it works here on windows |
| 18:47.02 | JeffM2501 | it seems that that function secretly increments the arg counter |
| 18:47.59 | Nidhoggr | that fixed it |
| 18:48.17 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:48.19 | JeffM2501 | commiting |
| 18:48.29 | jpa- | DTRemenak :) |
| 18:48.34 | JeffM2501 | ahh the day is now complete... I have found the music stuck in my head :) |
| 18:48.40 | DTRemenak | jpa-: ? |
| 18:48.52 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: check the arg in -pidfile so that it actualy moves to the file name and parses it. |
| 18:48.55 | jpa- | DTRemenak: i just gave you a smile :) |
| 18:49.00 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 18:49.10 | jpa- | DTRemenak: to have you wake up nicely to a new day :) |
| 18:49.16 | t-s | Tupone: Now I have SDL 1.2.7-2 instead of SDL 1.2.7-1 :-/ |
| 18:50.23 | Nidhoggr | how do I get bzfs to check the m.b.o for authentication stuff? |
| 18:50.33 | jpa- | JeffM2501: like chinese bambu flute music? :) |
| 18:50.37 | JeffM2501 | remove your password file |
| 18:50.44 | JeffM2501 | some of that is good jpa- |
| 18:50.48 | Nidhoggr | I removed the -password file thing. |
| 18:50.56 | Nidhoggr | do I need to leave the groups file in? |
| 18:50.58 | JeffM2501 | remove your -passdb |
| 18:51.02 | t-s | Tupone: With BZFlag 1.11.37.20050112-DEVEL-darwin7.7.0-SDL everything regarding to this is OK, but with todays build it's inverted |
| 18:51.04 | Nidhoggr | I did. |
| 18:51.08 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/data/32x32.xpm: icon for debian and perhaps others |
| 18:51.10 | JeffM2501 | then it will check |
| 18:51.13 | JeffM2501 | automagicly |
| 18:51.16 | JeffM2501 | there is no config |
| 18:51.22 | JeffM2501 | just like no config for what list server to use |
| 18:51.29 | Tupone | should ask brlcad :/ |
| 18:52.11 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/debian/bzflag.menu: use smaller debian icon |
| 18:52.15 | t-s | I have to do some other stuff soon :-( so no time to wait for response |
| 18:52.28 | JeffM2501 | t-s, use a PM on bzbb |
| 18:52.34 | JeffM2501 | it's just like e-mail |
| 18:52.59 | Nidhoggr | doesn't work with bzadmin |
| 18:53.28 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: leave -password and -groupdb. add global groups with permissions to the groupdb if you like. |
| 18:53.58 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: for bzadmin use User:password@server:port |
| 18:53.59 | Nidhoggr | which ones are required for it to work minimally? |
| 18:54.09 | Nidhoggr | I know that part. |
| 18:54.36 | TimRiker | nothing, and then running bzadmin should get you in VERIFIED. |
| 18:54.51 | TimRiker | that only helps if VERIFIED has permissions. |
| 18:55.14 | TimRiker | if you want more permissions, add your nick to LOCAL.ADMIN (for example) |
| 18:55.30 | Tupone | t-s: line 134 at src/platform/SDLDisplay.cxx |
| 18:55.44 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: you read my bzbb post on this? |
| 18:56.13 | Nidhoggr | no. didn't know you made one. :-p |
| 18:57.14 | TimRiker | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2666 |
| 18:57.45 | t-s | JeffM2501: Can't find his username there |
| 18:58.20 | JeffM2501 | t-s, learner |
| 18:58.32 | t-s | JeffM2501: ;-) |
| 19:01.33 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, you find a place to get your mini from? |
| 19:01.41 | JeffM2501 | or are you doing apple direct? |
| 19:03.03 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: probably direct. when I can afford it. |
| 19:03.15 | Nidhoggr | which won't be until at least april, unless money springs from trees. |
| 19:03.25 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 19:03.41 | JeffM2501 | we are going to the apple store tomorow to make sure they will have them |
| 19:04.22 | Nidhoggr | I've got to pay for my retreat in april, and pay for 1 other person, plus their air fare... plus other things to get ready for my bishop consecration during the retreat. |
| 19:04.34 | JeffM2501 | that can add up I'm sure |
| 19:04.41 | Nidhoggr | the retreat is 600 |
| 19:04.42 | JeffM2501 | how much is the discount? |
| 19:05.44 | JeffM2501 | the mini is only 499, how much can they discount it? |
| 19:08.33 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: to 479 |
| 19:08.34 | sgk284 | for the ipod shuffle, the 1 gig disocunt is only $10 to $140, the .5 gig is still $99 |
| 19:08.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:08.41 | JeffM2501 | 20 bucks |
| 19:08.43 | sgk284 | yea $479 heh |
| 19:08.52 | sgk284 | the ipod discouts are better... |
| 19:08.58 | JeffM2501 | taht's basicly free tax |
| 19:09.22 | *** part/#bzflag Guest136 (~d9ea864b@rw08.de) |
| 19:10.24 | t-s | Mac mini is an iBook... |
| 19:11.17 | scanline | JeffM2501: eww |
| 19:11.18 | JeffM2501 | similar |
| 19:11.19 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: umm, don't you realize what a stupid idea the shuffle is? |
| 19:11.21 | sgk284 | the shuffle seems nice, but i think i might buy a mini, it'll be my first mac :) |
| 19:11.29 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, how so? |
| 19:11.35 | sgk284 | purple_cow, its a great idea |
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| 19:11.42 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: it always plays on random, there's no other mode |
| 19:11.44 | JeffM2501 | I need a new memory stick, and if it plays MP3s too |
| 19:11.53 | scanline | JeffM2501: just buy a comparably priced flash player that actually has a UI |
| 19:11.55 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I don't thinkt hat's true |
| 19:12.04 | JeffM2501 | it has 2 modes |
| 19:12.11 | nilson | Woo hoo. I'm compiling BZFlag-1.11.41.20050117 :-) |
| 19:12.13 | sgk284 | purple_cow, i belive it can play linearly or by playlist |
| 19:12.15 | scanline | well, I think you can turn off shuffle mode.. but there's still no way to select songs really |
| 19:12.27 | JeffM2501 | it has next and back buttons |
| 19:12.28 | sgk284 | you can move back and forth :) |
| 19:12.31 | nilson | Does 1.11 have WG flag? |
| 19:12.33 | JeffM2501 | same as my cd player |
| 19:12.45 | sgk284 | its better then the radio, and hold more then cds |
| 19:12.54 | scanline | OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES |
| 19:12.57 | JeffM2501 | where are other flash players |
| 19:13.03 | *** join/#bzflag redsoxfan90 (~18dae8d5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:13.03 | scanline | there are other manufacturers! |
| 19:13.18 | sgk284 | woah scanline? |
| 19:13.19 | purple_cow | heh |
| 19:13.25 | scanline | JeffM2501: just look around at any place that sells music players that isn't apple |
| 19:13.25 | sgk284 | you alright guy? |
| 19:13.26 | redsoxfan90 | hi all |
| 19:13.28 | JeffM2501 | for a disk based player I like the creative ones |
| 19:13.39 | JeffM2501 | he's got apple bitterness :) |
| 19:13.42 | scanline | hell, the local wal-mart sells better flash players than apple |
| 19:13.46 | JeffM2501 | is ibook burned him |
| 19:13.51 | sgk284 | not to mention apple quality is worth a little bit more :) |
| 19:13.56 | JeffM2501 | yes but I will not give money to wallmart |
| 19:14.07 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, it's the same stuff, apple dosnt' actualy MAKE anything |
| 19:14.08 | purple_cow | hmm, apple quality |
| 19:14.09 | scanline | JeffM2501: I'm so sick of people raving about apple products when they're clearly a step backwards and crappy compared to the alternatives |
| 19:14.22 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you are |
| 19:14.44 | sgk284 | wow tons of bitterness in here heh |
| 19:14.50 | redsoxfan90 | :) |
| 19:15.05 | sgk284 | i've used apple products off and on for over a year |
| 19:15.14 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: funny, I think all you've lost is the "young" ;) |
| 19:15.21 | sgk284 | lol! |
| 19:15.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah now I'm old, crochity, and allways right :) |
| 19:15.36 | scanline | I know I overreact about apple products, but it takes some overreacting to counteract the rampant fanboyisms |
| 19:15.45 | JeffM2501 | I've listened to some other flash players and they sound tinny |
| 19:15.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you bet :) |
| 19:16.05 | JeffM2501 | hence why I want to go to the apple store and listen to and use a shuffle |
| 19:16.18 | redsoxfan90 | is there a newer bzflag than 1.11.35 becasue theres only 1 server on that one |
| 19:16.30 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan90, yes there were 6 more |
| 19:16.37 | DTRemenak | redsoxfan90: 1.11.41 is the newest |
| 19:16.42 | redsoxfan90 | wow wats the nweest one? |
| 19:16.48 | DTRemenak | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11 |
| 19:17.02 | redsoxfan90 | wats the newest one? |
| 19:17.10 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~who@69.106.188.199) |
| 19:17.11 | JeffM2501 | the one he jsut told you |
| 19:17.12 | Legolas | hi |
| 19:17.18 | jpa- | hi legolas |
| 19:17.22 | redsoxfan90 | ho legolas |
| 19:17.32 | Legolas | is your server up redsox? |
| 19:17.38 | jpa- | what do your elf eye see? |
| 19:17.39 | redsoxfan90 | no need to tlak to u |
| 19:17.47 | Legolas | ok about what? |
| 19:17.50 | jpa- | when is the release coming up? :) |
| 19:18.01 | redsoxfan90 | send me a private message |
| 19:18.19 | Legolas | i see the release coming out about the fith of never |
| 19:18.30 | JeffM2501 | hmm looking on pricewatch I don't see many 512meg flash players under 100 |
| 19:18.39 | nilson | Going to be like mozilla |
| 19:18.45 | *** join/#bzflag redsoxfan90 (~18dae8d5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:18.46 | nilson | at least back in the day :-) |
| 19:19.39 | sgk284 | i see it being released between 3 hours and 40 minutes from now to 240 days from now |
| 19:19.43 | sgk284 | 95% probability |
| 19:19.58 | sgk284 | :) |
| 19:20.02 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
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| 19:22.22 | gina | release? |
| 19:22.42 | creeperz | soon |
| 19:22.44 | creeperz | if not, never |
| 19:23.04 | jpa- | creeperz: why do i remember your nick? |
| 19:23.18 | creeperz | cuz you usually talk to me every day |
| 19:23.18 | purple_cow | hrm |
| 19:23.18 | creeperz | :-) |
| 19:23.24 | purple_cow | why don't we have a .desktop file for bzflag? |
| 19:23.51 | jpa- | creeperz: hmm.. about what? |
| 19:23.52 | creeperz | jpa-: im the guy that was talkin to you about you hacking your dad's machine :-P |
| 19:23.57 | jpa- | oh |
| 19:23.59 | jpa- | :D |
| 19:24.07 | DTRemenak | purple_cow: because noone's bothered yet? |
| 19:24.20 | SportChick | why didn't anyone TELL me it's MLK Day? |
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| 19:24.34 | gina | mlk? |
| 19:24.35 | creeperz | SportChick: cuz everyone knew it already >< |
| 19:24.45 | DTRemenak | SportChick: don't you have a calendar? |
| 19:24.47 | creeperz | martin luther king |
| 19:24.49 | jpa- | ~dict mlk |
| 19:24.52 | jpa- | oh :) |
| 19:24.54 | gina | ohh |
| 19:24.57 | creeperz | yeah :-P |
| 19:24.58 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, this is the best i could find... http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=653840&store=ecost&source=ewbfroogle&adcampaign=email,ewbfroogle |
| 19:25.02 | sgk284 | :) |
| 19:25.04 | SportChick | tee hee - I went to work! but I have the day off |
| 19:25.05 | creeperz | famous black dude |
| 19:25.06 | jpa- | who was he again? |
| 19:25.07 | creeperz | talked alot |
| 19:25.13 | jpa- | ok |
| 19:25.15 | gina | did he play bz? |
| 19:25.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah I don't want a thing that has 2 parts |
| 19:25.28 | creeperz | no |
| 19:25.28 | JeffM2501 | I found ones cheaper thent hat |
| 19:25.33 | DTRemenak | and most importantly, he got shot. that's what gets you the holiday. |
| 19:25.34 | creeperz | long time before bz ^_^ |
| 19:25.38 | JeffM2501 | most of them take a cable |
| 19:25.44 | gina | got shot by a tank? |
| 19:25.51 | creeperz | yes |
| 19:25.52 | purple_cow | DTRemenak: imagine i've got an hour? :) |
| 19:25.57 | creeperz | a big abrahm's |
| 19:26.07 | DTRemenak | purple_cow: well you don't have classes :) |
| 19:26.08 | creeperz | shell went right through him |
| 19:26.14 | creeperz | cant even identify him |
| 19:26.18 | creeperz | he just assumed it was him |
| 19:26.32 | jpa- | trough him? |
| 19:26.36 | jpa- | was he cheating? |
| 19:26.39 | creeperz | yeah |
| 19:26.39 | jpa- | or just lag? |
| 19:26.42 | gina | he was lagging |
| 19:26.59 | JeffM2501 | walmart has nothing in the 512meg size for anything close to 100 |
| 19:27.18 | jpa- | world could be different if he had had shield flag |
| 19:27.23 | creeperz | he dropped his "Talk Alot" flag at that second though |
| 19:27.28 | creeperz | yeah |
| 19:27.38 | creeperz | no riots |
| 19:28.00 | creeperz | like Rodney King's incident |
| 19:28.14 | creeperz | everyone got the Riot flag in LA:5154 |
| 19:28.21 | creeperz | LA.com:5154 * |
| 19:28.56 | creeperz | then the other team "The Cops" got the Rubber Bullet flag |
| 19:29.00 | creeperz | it was chaos |
| 19:29.20 | creeperz | there were rubber bullets and TV's flying everywhere |
| 19:30.10 | jpa- | :D |
| 19:30.12 | creeperz | :-P |
| 19:31.58 | creeperz | guess what started the Rodney King riots |
| 19:32.07 | creeperz | a cop spamming the Maglight Flag |
| 19:33.25 | creeperz | who wants to hear about the Waco incident? |
| 19:34.04 | gina | heh |
| 19:34.16 | gina | yesterday I had 2.0.0, now it is 1.11.41 |
| 19:34.29 | jpa- | :) |
| 19:34.36 | gina | going back to 1.10.8???? |
| 19:34.56 | jpa- | see, one number decreased by one, others grew a lot |
| 19:35.32 | gina | oh ok |
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| 19:37.55 | jpa- | purple_cow: cows are not purple :S |
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| 19:38.16 | JeffM2501 | depends on what shade your glasses are |
| 19:38.21 | creeperz | jpa-: purple ones are though |
| 19:39.28 | purple_cow | jpa-: you've never met a purple cow |
| 19:39.38 | purple_cow | jpa-: you probably won't meet one |
| 19:39.44 | purple_cow | but from the milk you're getting now |
| 19:39.47 | purple_cow | there certainly must be one ;) |
| 19:40.08 | jpa- | ? |
| 19:40.16 | Noodle-sensei | hahaha |
| 19:40.18 | jpa- | there are no purple ones! |
| 19:40.21 | gina | Lila? |
| 19:40.25 | jpa- | they are black and white :) |
| 19:40.29 | Noodle-sensei | jpa-: how do you know? |
| 19:40.30 | gina | Milka cow |
| 19:40.40 | jpa- | Noodle-sensei: i have seen two cows |
| 19:40.50 | jpa- | Noodle-sensei: both were black and white |
| 19:40.52 | Noodle-sensei | haven't you ever seen a purple cow farm? |
| 19:41.03 | jpa- | Noodle-sensei: so 100% of cows are black and white |
| 19:41.15 | Noodle-sensei | not true |
| 19:41.22 | Noodle-sensei | you also forget brown cows |
| 19:41.22 | creeperz | some are brown :-P |
| 19:41.29 | jpa- | yes |
| 19:41.34 | jpa- | but not purple |
| 19:41.45 | jpa- | brown is just shade of white |
| 19:41.53 | Noodle-sensei | not true |
| 19:41.55 | creeperz | brown is a neutral |
| 19:42.08 | creeperz | no association with white |
| 19:42.19 | creeperz | neutrals have no association with other neutrals |
| 19:42.22 | JeffM2501 | white is all things |
| 19:42.29 | creeperz | yeah |
| 19:42.32 | JeffM2501 | whit has parts of all other colors |
| 19:42.42 | creeperz | ok, you got me :-) |
| 19:42.44 | JeffM2501 | brown is just dark orange |
| 19:42.55 | Noodle-sensei | i am a central oregonian |
| 19:42.59 | Noodle-sensei | i know cattle |
| 19:43.03 | Noodle-sensei | i see lots of cows |
| 19:43.11 | creeperz | im a central South Dakotian |
| 19:43.13 | creeperz | i know steak ;-) |
| 19:43.27 | gina | http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/1690 |
| 19:43.41 | Noodle-sensei | purple cows EXIST! |
| 19:43.54 | creeperz | really good steak exists! |
| 19:43.58 | Noodle-sensei | ewww |
| 19:44.00 | brlcad | ~seen t-s |
| 19:44.07 | ibot | t-s <~ts@pD9563512.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 33m 43s ago, saying: 'Mac mini is an iBook...'. |
| 19:44.07 | creeperz | and you can eat 4 steaks a day and be happy |
| 19:44.15 | creeperz | believe a man with experience :-P |
| 19:44.24 | JeffM2501 | in an infinate universe how can one catagoricly deny they posible existance of anything |
| 19:44.33 | Noodle-sensei | get me some phad thai with tofu and chut up |
| 19:44.43 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, you asume the world is all there is |
| 19:44.44 | brlcad | Tupone: hrmph.. perhaps a runtime check for the version of sdl that was picked up |
| 19:45.00 | JeffM2501 | never underestimate the spacecow |
| 19:45.19 | jpa- | JeffM2501: no, i assume there is no dust inside my monitor |
| 19:45.35 | creeperz | yeah |
| 19:45.39 | creeperz | with magical powers |
| 19:45.53 | JeffM2501 | there is probably at least one particle of some dust left in there |
| 19:46.04 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:46.17 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I looked around for ones of similar size and price |
| 19:46.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm not coming up with much |
| 19:46.27 | JeffM2501 | I agree with him on the HD based players tho |
| 19:46.51 | scanline | brlcad: hehe |
| 19:46.57 | jpa- | JeffM2501: you just broke the base assumption of my theory |
| 19:47.05 | JeffM2501 | I want a one piece flash based player, that is small and does not need a cord, and can hold files. |
| 19:47.24 | JeffM2501 | I break many things |
| 19:47.48 | brlcad | the fact that it'll play whatever playlist ordering I set works for me |
| 19:47.58 | JeffM2501 | walmart doesn't have anyting in the 512 meg size for under 150 |
| 19:48.10 | brlcad | mm.. 1gb |
| 19:48.16 | JeffM2501 | I don't need a gig |
| 19:48.18 | purple_cow | oof |
| 19:48.25 | purple_cow | why do we use a custom install rule in data/ ? |
| 19:48.33 | orange | I like the little iriver players myself |
| 19:48.40 | JeffM2501 | orange, link? |
| 19:48.58 | orange | hang on |
| 19:49.10 | brlcad | eww.. tiny 32x32 icon |
| 19:49.36 | orange | I own one, which is how I formed my opinion :-) |
| 19:49.43 | JeffM2501 | fair enough |
| 19:49.57 | JeffM2501 | it a flash or HD based? |
| 19:49.58 | orange | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000285A1O/qid=1105991369/sr=8-2/ref=pd_csp_2/103-4619665-0834264?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846 |
| 19:50.02 | orange | flash |
| 19:50.03 | orange | mine's a 256M |
| 19:50.13 | JeffM2501 | spensive |
| 19:50.17 | orange | tiny, good battery life, FM tuner, voice recorder |
| 19:50.19 | jpa- | is an orange a fruit? |
| 19:50.25 | *** part/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 19:50.27 | creeperz | purty |
| 19:50.32 | JeffM2501 | don't need the tuner |
| 19:50.32 | orange | good sound quality, good display |
| 19:50.36 | purple_cow | oranges are meat |
| 19:50.38 | JeffM2501 | or the voice |
| 19:50.46 | creeperz | jpa-: yeah |
| 19:50.48 | JeffM2501 | I want to hear a shuffle before I do anything |
| 19:51.07 | JeffM2501 | how much is a 512? |
| 19:51.21 | orange | looks like 185 at amazon |
| 19:51.21 | JeffM2501 | ouch.. almost 2x the price |
| 19:51.27 | JeffM2501 | I can live with out a display |
| 19:51.28 | creeperz | jpa-: have you ever eaten an orange before? |
| 19:51.31 | JeffM2501 | for a playlist that short |
| 19:51.40 | jpa- | creeperz: i think so |
| 19:51.42 | brlcad | JeffM2501: and not blindly purchase based on zealotry for/against?! how .. how .. well thought of you |
| 19:51.46 | orange | oh, the shuffle has no display? |
| 19:51.53 | creeperz | jpa-: what color was it? :-P |
| 19:51.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah the suffle has no display |
| 19:52.02 | jpa- | creeperz: is it the larger orange thing or the smaller one? |
| 19:52.02 | JeffM2501 | just forward and back |
| 19:52.14 | JeffM2501 | I'd want a display on a HD based one |
| 19:52.14 | creeperz | medium sized |
| 19:52.17 | jpa- | or is it a carrot? :) |
| 19:52.18 | orange | interesting... I think I might hate that myself, based on how I use it |
| 19:52.20 | creeperz | compared to a grapefruit |
| 19:52.24 | JeffM2501 | but 512-1 gig isn't enoguh for me to forget what's on there |
| 19:52.25 | sgk284 | TimRiker, not sure if you already have captchas on bzbb but you might want to think about it... |
| 19:52.33 | jpa- | grape tastes good |
| 19:52.37 | creeperz | yeah |
| 19:52.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure prefence is based on useage |
| 19:52.41 | creeperz | but not grapefruit |
| 19:52.50 | orange | absolutely... great that there are alternatives like this |
| 19:52.51 | creeperz | grapefruit is ew |
| 19:52.57 | JeffM2501 | I just want some music, and file |
| 19:52.58 | jpa- | grapefruit i mean |
| 19:53.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm used to CDs |
| 19:53.04 | JeffM2501 | so the name maters not |
| 19:53.15 | brlcad | is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:53.20 | jpa- | not those small balls, the bigger ones that someone spoil with sugar |
| 19:53.28 | JeffM2501 | for the mini, I want to play marathon, and do some stuff with garageband |
| 19:53.40 | JeffM2501 | and I need a better second PC for chating when I'm playing on the main |
| 19:53.43 | creeperz | jpa-: thats a grapefruit... theyre nasty >< :-P |
| 19:53.47 | JeffM2501 | so it makes sense |
| 19:53.52 | orange | if you want a HD player, check out any of the players that work with this: http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 19:54.00 | JeffM2501 | gives me a mac to bould on too |
| 19:54.13 | orange | I don't think they actually make them anymore, so you have to find them in clearance or used, but I have one of those, too, and it is awesome |
| 19:54.14 | jpa- | creeperz: they taste good |
| 19:54.29 | brlcad | JeffM2501: http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.asp?catalog=23&DEPA=10 .. not seeing any for 512 below 100, but several 128 or 256 |
| 19:54.48 | JeffM2501 | pricewatch had a couple |
| 19:54.51 | JeffM2501 | mostly the 2 parters |
| 19:54.58 | JeffM2501 | or the ones with out integrated USB connectors |
| 19:55.09 | JeffM2501 | aka "house brand" |
| 19:55.10 | creeperz | i reckon its time for ET |
| 19:55.10 | brlcad | ~slap purple_cow |
| 19:55.16 | ibot | ACTION slaps purple_cow, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:55.16 | creeperz | peace |
| 19:55.59 | JeffM2501 | http://www.bananapc.com/promo/general/0422_phison/0422_phison.htm |
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| 19:56.07 | JeffM2501 | that one just looks a little ohh "iffy" |
| 19:56.13 | orange | btw, to get an idea of the scale of the iriver, it's about 1.6 times the length of the single AA battery it uses |
| 19:56.16 | purple_cow | brlcad: pfft, this is something that should have been a long time ago |
| 19:56.21 | orange | so it's pretty tiny |
| 19:56.30 | JeffM2501 | orange, have you seen the shuffle? |
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| 19:56.49 | orange | not in person |
| 19:56.58 | JeffM2501 | pictuers of how big it is? |
| 19:57.18 | orange | on the apple site |
| 19:57.25 | JeffM2501 | it's very small as well |
| 19:57.33 | purple_cow | TimRiker: pokepokepokepoke |
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| 19:57.52 | TimRiker | ibot: poke purple_cow |
| 19:57.54 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, TimRiker? |
| 19:58.08 | purple_cow | TimRiker: why do we have a custom install rule in data/ ? |
| 19:58.19 | TimRiker | huh? |
| 20:00.28 | TimRiker | no idea. I don't normally run "make install" I use make debian-cvs etc. They likely call make install, but I don't recall the details. |
| 20:00.45 | TimRiker | is it giving tou grief? |
| 20:00.49 | TimRiker | er you... |
| 20:01.25 | purple_cow | TimRiker: i'm struggling with adding a .desktop file because of it |
| 20:01.31 | *** join/#bzflag mozul (~KBC18135@ct550.aero.org) |
| 20:01.45 | mozul | hello |
| 20:02.23 | mozul | Is there a reason that I cannot use 1.10.8 (udp blocking) and I can use 1.11.38? |
| 20:02.30 | mozul | (I am at work behind a firewall) |
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| 20:02.33 | purple_cow | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/data/Makefile.am?annotate=1.24 <-- hmm! |
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| 20:03.06 | sgk284 | mozul, perhaps the 1.11.38 server isn't requirign udp |
| 20:03.25 | mozul | maybe. |
| 20:03.42 | mozul | only one server is up on 38 version. |
| 20:03.51 | sgk284 | if you update, you'll have a few more |
| 20:04.29 | mozul | where can I get latest windows executable? bzbb points to 11.38 |
| 20:04.54 | jpa- | look the topic |
| 20:05.01 | jpa- | or google bzflag beta builds |
| 20:05.08 | DTRemenak | mozul: scroll to the bottom of the .38 post, read the announcement post in the Releases and Versions forum, or just go to http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11 |
| 20:05.25 | jpa- | nilson: :) |
| 20:05.29 | mozul | ok thanks got it. |
| 20:05.33 | nilson | hello jpa |
| 20:05.47 | nilson | This is my first encounter with 1.11 |
| 20:05.55 | nilson | I want to use Legoguy's ProFont stuff |
| 20:06.00 | nilson | I hear its in CVS now |
| 20:06.21 | nilson | And when will we have BZF 2.0? ;-D |
| 20:06.38 | sgk284 | nilson, read the topic and yes profont is available |
| 20:06.45 | sgk284 | change the font in your config |
| 20:06.52 | sgk284 | set consoleFont profont |
| 20:06.58 | nilson | alright |
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| 20:10.07 | TimRiker | purple_cow: put the .desktop file in misc/ perhaps? it needs to get copied to a different location anyway, yes? |
| 20:10.43 | TimRiker | purple_cow: you planning to use the 32x32.xpm I just added? |
| 20:10.58 | purple_cow | TimRiker: i was planning to use the 48x48 icon we've already got |
| 20:11.07 | TimRiker | named? |
| 20:11.13 | purple_cow | data/bzflag-48x48.png |
| 20:11.53 | purple_cow | hrm |
| 20:11.56 | TimRiker | ls: data/*48*: No such file or directory |
| 20:12.25 | purple_cow | probably |
| 20:13.04 | jpa- | night |
| 20:13.08 | noyb | flying is cool, but when everyone is flying it's very hard to hit tanks |
| 20:13.13 | bryjen | find -name "*.xpm" |
| 20:13.15 | bryjen | ./package/rpm/bzflag-l.xpm |
| 20:13.16 | bryjen | ./package/rpm/bzflag-m.xpm |
| 20:13.17 | noyb | see ya jpa |
| 20:13.18 | bryjen | ./package/rpm/bzflag-s.xpm |
| 20:13.22 | jpa- | bye noyb |
| 20:13.59 | purple_cow | wow, i've had this icon sitting there since early march |
| 20:14.39 | noyb | Is the bullet inertia a new feature? |
| 20:15.12 | jpa- | noyb: yes |
| 20:15.13 | purple_cow | TimRiker: ok to add? |
| 20:15.14 | DTRemenak | noyb: yes, it's a new server setting |
| 20:15.24 | jpa- | noyb: _shotKeepVerticalVelocity |
| 20:15.32 | bryjen | eww, those are rather plain icons |
| 20:17.29 | noyb | thanks jpa. and btw, I thought you were leaving cuz you said "night" but I must have missed something. sorry. |
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| 20:18.04 | jpa- | noyb: i was |
| 20:18.09 | jpa- | noyb: and still am :) |
| 20:18.16 | jpa- | just bad self-control :) |
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| 20:32.20 | DTRemenak | brlcad: think it's ready? |
| 20:32.31 | purple_cow | wait! |
| 20:32.45 | DTRemenak | purple_cow: work faster! ;) |
| 20:33.34 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/data/bzflag-48x48.png: add a higher resolution, alpha-blended icon for those of us with modern desktops |
| 20:33.36 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:33.43 | brlcad | well lookie there.. a big |
| 20:33.45 | brlcad | bug |
| 20:33.55 | TimRiker | purple_cow: sure. remember -kb =) |
| 20:34.20 | TimRiker | purple_cow: and add to Makefile.am =) |
| 20:34.22 | brlcad | Tupone: (or anyone) how can you determine the version of sdl at runtime? |
| 20:34.27 | DTRemenak | anyone know why the .xpms in package/rmp are still there? |
| 20:34.37 | DTRemenak | they're old and apparently unused |
| 20:34.41 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/data/Makefile.am: it helps if we dist it too |
| 20:34.44 | DTRemenak | specfile doesn't reference them or anything |
| 20:34.47 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: they could be used for rpm builds, but they are not at present. |
| 20:35.10 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: they're the old black-on-gray icons anyway |
| 20:35.21 | TimRiker | there was another spec file down there at one point. |
| 20:35.27 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 20:35.54 | DTRemenak | imho if we're going to leave them there they ought to be updated to the red tank icon |
| 20:36.12 | TimRiker | I'm fine with nuking package/rpm if you like as the current spec is in the root. |
| 20:36.44 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: just tossing ideas around |
| 20:37.07 | brlcad | purple_cow: eww.. where'd you get that icon from?? |
| 20:37.15 | purple_cow | brlcad: dunno |
| 20:38.45 | Tupone | #define SDL_MAJOR_VERSION 1\n#define SDL_MINOR_VERSION 2\n#define SDL_PATCHLEVEL 7 |
| 20:39.00 | brlcad | Tupone: that's compile-time.. what about run-time? |
| 20:39.01 | purple_cow | brlcad: think you can get a version of that with alpha? |
| 20:39.15 | brlcad | purple_cow: have one here somewhere |
| 20:39.16 | Tupone | eek :( |
| 20:40.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:40.38 | brlcad | purple_cow: can you deal with icns? |
| 20:40.45 | purple_cow | brlcad: no |
| 20:40.47 | DTRemenak | aren't you distributing sdl in the app anyway? |
| 20:42.00 | brlcad | DTRemenak: I am, but I'm not positive who will take precedence if there's a system sdl |
| 20:42.07 | DTRemenak | ah |
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| 20:44.06 | brlcad | purple_cow: think I found it.. checking background |
| 20:45.35 | brlcad | that's the one |
| 20:45.43 | brlcad | purple_cow: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/256.png |
| 20:46.17 | brlcad | purple_cow: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/256.psd has some nice apple logos in it that I'm sure you'll love it being your favorite platform and all |
| 20:47.45 | Tupone | what has 1.2.7-2 ? a partial fix? |
| 20:48.01 | brlcad | yes .. that fixed the problem with reversal |
| 20:48.19 | creeperz | reversal? |
| 20:48.30 | brlcad | i've bundled 1.2.8, so it should be okay if I remove the hack in sdl |
| 20:48.43 | brlcad | er, sdldisplay |
| 20:48.46 | Tupone | and fink has 1.2.7-2 |
| 20:48.59 | brlcad | yes, though they can have 1.2.7 from earlier |
| 20:49.05 | Tupone | so probably just remove the hack or put in an #idef0 |
| 20:49.09 | brlcad | or 1.2.6 even |
| 20:49.25 | Tupone | I meant #ifdef 0 |
| 20:49.33 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:49.39 | purple_cow | brlcad: care to add the 256x256 version? i'm going to prescale this for my use |
| 20:49.43 | Tupone | it is only Mac, so you know |
| 20:49.54 | brlcad | purple_cow: no I don't mind |
| 20:51.23 | brlcad | wow png-8 looks surprisingly good |
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| 20:52.33 | brlcad | so.. save half the space (14k vs 30k) for 8bit? |
| 20:52.50 | purple_cow | brlcad: i'd prefer to leave the pngs at the highest depth... |
| 20:52.59 | purple_cow | 16k isn't much |
| 20:53.21 | brlcad | yeah.. and I just noticed the alphablending on the shadow gets lost |
| 20:53.26 | purple_cow | one option is to add it to cvs but not dist it |
| 20:54.10 | TimRiker | brlcad: printf("%d.%d.%d", SDL_MAJOR_VERSION, ... |
| 20:56.07 | brlcad | TimRiker: that's still checking the version at compile time |
| 20:56.19 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/bzflag-256x256.png: nice high-quality 256x256 24bit lightwave rendering of the bzflag tank (created by jeffm some time ago) |
| 20:56.26 | brlcad | tupone found what I needed.. SDL_Linked_Version |
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| 20:58.37 | Nidhoggr | ugh. I can't get this thing to work... I think I must be an idiot or something. |
| 20:58.45 | brlcad | anyone want the other resolutions? 128, 64, 32 ? |
| 20:58.51 | TimRiker | akk. |
| 20:59.12 | TimRiker | brlcad: I added a 32x32.xpm (need xpm for debian menu icon) |
| 20:59.20 | brlcad | so.. that's a no? :) |
| 20:59.30 | TimRiker | iirc menu_*.png is 128x128 |
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| 21:00.37 | brlcad | menu_arrow.png is 128, though the rendering is the cell-shaded menu tank icon |
| 21:01.11 | Nidhoggr | so I edited my groups file to change REGISTERED to VERIFIED, and DEFAULT to EVERYONE. I removed all the users from the .user file, and am not specifying a .passwd file. Shouldn't that verify every user automatically via the forums? |
| 21:01.51 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 21:02.49 | Nidhoggr | it tells me that /identify command disabled. |
| 21:03.03 | bryjen | you don't use /identify with global reg |
| 21:03.08 | Nidhoggr | what do you use? |
| 21:03.19 | bryjen | you fill in your password on the join screen |
| 21:03.20 | Nidhoggr | I'm using bzadmin |
| 21:03.27 | bryjen | whoops |
| 21:03.36 | Nidhoggr | which should support this thing. |
| 21:03.58 | bryjen | bzadmin user:pass@your.server to launch it |
| 21:04.04 | DTRemenak | Nidhoggr: try "bzadmin User:Password@Server:Port" |
| 21:04.35 | Nidhoggr | ok, that worked. |
| 21:04.50 | bryjen | iirc, TimRiker mentioned that earlier |
| 21:04.52 | Nidhoggr | but it needs to have an alternate way of doing pass, so it's not viewable via a ps. |
| 21:05.23 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 21:06.27 | noyb | I think it would be cool to have the HUD show where the bullets will go when you have the wings flag. not just the square in the middle. |
| 21:06.54 | DTRemenak | Nidhoggr: try just "bzadmin"...it'll prompt you for username, password, and server |
| 21:07.23 | *** join/#bzflag PrezKennedy (~Matthew@pcp035019pcs.aberdn01.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:07.35 | purple_cow | blah |
| 21:07.41 | purple_cow | my machine isn't building hard enough! |
| 21:08.28 | Nidhoggr | so, I set my groups to say: PEEPSADMIN:IDLESTATS FLAGMOD LAGWARN COUNTDOWN ENDGAME SHUTDOWNSERVER SUPERKILL but when I am globally recognized, I can't run any admin commands... and I am definitely a part of the group. |
| 21:08.36 | Nidhoggr | oooh |
| 21:08.40 | Nidhoggr | I think i misspelled. |
| 21:08.47 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:10.18 | Nidhoggr | still not working. |
| 21:10.26 | Nidhoggr | says I don't have permissions for a lagstats. |
| 21:10.41 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 21:10.46 | Nidhoggr | I think I know what is wrong. |
| 21:10.58 | Nidhoggr | what are the default user perms? |
| 21:11.03 | *** part/#bzflag noyb (~noyb@wbar2.lax1-4-8-213-215.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 21:11.32 | bryjen | where are the members of the group specified? |
| 21:11.39 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: might as well copy em so tars and zips have em |
| 21:11.46 | Nidhoggr | I added everyone group, but it doesn't have any permissions. |
| 21:11.58 | Nidhoggr | is it safe to remove it? |
| 21:12.06 | mozul | Does 1.11.x use a different UDP port than 1.10.x? |
| 21:12.18 | brlcad | mozul: no |
| 21:12.32 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: bzadmin should blank out the password argument. I did _not_ add that yet. so as you mention it is visible in ps |
| 21:12.34 | bryjen | they use the same port tcp and udp |
| 21:12.35 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: should be.. having it overrides defaults |
| 21:13.00 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. it let me remove it. |
| 21:13.05 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: EVERYONE has some permissions by default. if you add one with none, then they loose those too. |
| 21:13.23 | TimRiker | your old DEFAULT should now be EVERYONE. |
| 21:13.37 | mozul | that is strange. Why can I then play 1.11.x and not 1.10.x when I am here at work (behind a firewall) on my lunch hour? 1.10.x kicks me for no UDP. |
| 21:13.49 | Nidhoggr | thanks for the info tim: since a few of us bzadmin from the m.b.o server, it's nice to not have others read your password. :) |
| 21:14.05 | brlcad | mozul: wierd luck? :) |
| 21:14.11 | TimRiker | mozul: 1.10, 1.11 and 2.0 all listen on the same port for tcp and udp data. settable with the one server option. |
| 21:14.21 | mozul | :-D |
| 21:14.40 | TimRiker | mozul: some server require udp, others just encourage it. |
| 21:15.04 | brlcad | mozul: probably just a different server, so different port |
| 21:15.04 | mozul | is the UDP setting by default turned OFF on 1.11.x servers? |
| 21:15.05 | Nidhoggr | well, the 1.11 server on 5888 of secretplace is running with forum auth only. |
| 21:15.05 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Contrary to popular belief, my patience is not infinite. If it's broken I'll fix it when it finishes building. Add the .desktop stuff |
| 21:15.32 | TimRiker | woah! not infinite? sheesh |
| 21:16.16 | Nidhoggr | the nice thing is that I can still log in with my aliases and use /password. :) |
| 21:16.28 | purple_cow | TimRiker: i know! weird, huh |
| 21:16.38 | brlcad | bah .. /me looses faith in the non-infinite |
| 21:16.39 | purple_cow | looks like distcheck succeeds |
| 21:17.24 | purple_cow | you can release now ;) |
| 21:17.31 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:17.41 | Nidhoggr | RELEASE THE HOUNDS! |
| 21:17.42 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:19.29 | cods | heh, about infinite.. We use this patch on your bzfs to prevent bad map to eat all the cpu: http://tuxee.net/loop.txt |
| 21:19.59 | mmu_man | like huge reverb |
| 21:20.02 | cods | doesn't that be fixed in some way ? |
| 21:20.35 | mmu_man | seemed to be less last time, but I need to try better |
| 21:20.59 | My[DSMBR | is it now?? |
| 21:22.42 | My[DSMBR | yes |
| 21:22.56 | My[DSMBR | * brlcad waits on sf |
| 21:23.20 | Nidhoggr | don't ask, just watch, and wait (quietly) :) |
| 21:23.43 | My[DSMBR | ok |
| 21:25.00 | sgk284 | stop the presses!! |
| 21:25.06 | sgk284 | there is a bug |
| 21:25.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there are many |
| 21:25.19 | sgk284 | we think... nidhoggr is confirming it |
| 21:25.28 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/misc/.cvsignore: hush |
| 21:25.30 | sgk284 | yea but this is kinda big... the admin channel is broken |
| 21:25.33 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 21:25.45 | JeffM2501 | you have the perms for it set right? |
| 21:25.50 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. admin channel won't send to those with admimmessages perms. |
| 21:25.56 | sgk284 | yep |
| 21:26.02 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 perms are there not? |
| 21:26.20 | Nidhoggr | what are they and how do they work differently than before? |
| 21:26.30 | JeffM2501 | the perms were split |
| 21:26.33 | JeffM2501 | one for send |
| 21:26.35 | SportChick | I'm on tuxee and my global registration didn't work |
| 21:26.37 | JeffM2501 | one for receve |
| 21:26.51 | Nidhoggr | jeffm... all should be able to send... and that is working. |
| 21:26.51 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the old perm dosn't exist anymore |
| 21:27.05 | Nidhoggr | if I do /password I can see admin messages. |
| 21:27.13 | Nidhoggr | what is new perm called? |
| 21:28.06 | bryjen | adminMessageSend and adminMessageReceive |
| 21:28.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:28.31 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 21:28.41 | sgk284 | shall we try again? |
| 21:29.00 | *** part/#bzflag mozul (~KBC18135@ct550.aero.org) |
| 21:29.35 | JeffM2501 | IIRC you want send on the everyone group |
| 21:29.40 | JeffM2501 | and the receve on your admin group |
| 21:29.48 | Nidhoggr | send works for everyone by default. |
| 21:30.02 | JeffM2501 | then put reveve on your admin group |
| 21:30.12 | TimRiker | yeah, add that reveve |
| 21:30.20 | JeffM2501 | Didn't DTR change this just for you? |
| 21:30.32 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:30.48 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: what server are you testing on? |
| 21:30.59 | Nidhoggr | razzberry world. |
| 21:30.59 | SportChick | nm - duh |
| 21:31.26 | Nidhoggr | can I add a permission to a group in-game? |
| 21:31.35 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:32.07 | TimRiker | would be nice... but not at present. |
| 21:32.08 | Nidhoggr | bummer. |
| 21:32.27 | SportChick | what's the deal with lagstats? |
| 21:32.54 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 21:32.55 | purple_cow | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/menu.png |
| 21:33.50 | SportChick | someting is wrong with lagstats still |
| 21:36.48 | brlcad | purple_cow: kinky |
| 21:38.02 | purple_cow | brlcad: you're just saying that because my fonts are more readable than yours |
| 21:38.29 | brlcad | riiight |
| 21:40.29 | Nidhoggr | SportChick: what specifically are you seeing wrong with lagstats? |
| 21:45.41 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: it showed you at 6000+, sgk at 900+. But sgk checked 1/2 second later and said his looked normal |
| 21:45.55 | SportChick | when I checked his, it did look more normal, but it was really weird |
| 21:46.02 | SportChick | it came down abnormally fast |
| 21:46.15 | SportChick | and people that did look like they were lagging were in the 100s |
| 21:46.23 | bryjen | i've seen some really low lagstats that don't seem right |
| 21:48.12 | Tupone | SportChick: they are simply not responding to ping request |
| 21:48.22 | Tupone | so they go from 0 to 10000 |
| 21:48.45 | Tupone | ping request being made and 10 seconds |
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| 21:54.33 | *** join/#bzflag PointBlank (PointBlank@dialup-4.240.105.43.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net) |
| 21:54.37 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/SDLDisplay.cxx: sdl 1.2.7-2 and above fixed the reversed controls on windowed mode problem, so check for the version of the library being used at runtime and do what we need to do if it's the bugged version |
| 21:56.56 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): image consistancy |
| 22:00.43 | Nidhoggr | forgot I could /reload. :) |
| 22:00.48 | Nidhoggr | so admin messages thing is fixed. |
| 22:02.52 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/platform/SDLDisplay.cxx: unused warning |
| 22:10.31 | brlcad | okay, so are we ready? |
| 22:10.51 | brlcad | just tested that sdl key fix.. works like a charm |
| 22:11.23 | Nidhoggr | go for it. :) |
| 22:11.24 | Tupone | if anything's wrong, and something surely will be, we'll fix on 2.0.4 |
| 22:12.39 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:12.42 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:12.55 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:13.07 | brlcad | anyone working on something? |
| 22:13.20 | brlcad | TimRiker, purple_cow, anyone? |
| 22:14.22 | bryjen | DTRemenak, JeffM2501 ? |
| 22:14.34 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (~caleb@c211-31-49-112.rivrw7.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 22:15.07 | brlcad | TimRiker: you added a 32x32.xpm, yet bzflag.menu references 32x32.png |
| 22:15.25 | brlcad | I know DTRemenak's ready |
| 22:15.28 | JeffM2501 | I'm replacing all flags with bananas |
| 22:15.40 | brlcad | and tanks with chickens? |
| 22:15.43 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: at long last! |
| 22:16.07 | JeffM2501 | it shuld be a very small change |
| 22:16.15 | trepan | monkeys, bananas and monkeys |
| 22:16.22 | JeffM2501 | if ( gotBanana(myTank) |
| 22:16.59 | brlcad | if (!gotBanana(myTank)) flingPoo(); |
| 22:17.13 | bryjen | ~seen Chestal |
| 22:17.14 | ibot | chestal is currently on #bzflag (2d 15h 41m 36s). Has said a total of 285 messages. Is idling for 3h 44m 12s |
| 22:17.21 | trepan | ~fling |
| 22:17.32 | trepan | don't do a thing |
| 22:17.32 | brlcad | ~fling at trepan |
| 22:17.34 | ibot | ACTION flings sporks at trepan |
| 22:17.39 | trepan | oh... |
| 22:18.58 | bryjen | ~fling trepan |
| 22:19.00 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at trepan |
| 22:19.10 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, the music from the GITS show is on navi incoming, you may like it, it's done by the same lady who did the stuff from cowboy beebop and macross plus |
| 22:19.55 | trepan | sporks and poo, today will not be a good day |
| 22:20.49 | bryjen | catch the poo with the sporks and fling it back ;) |
| 22:20.58 | JeffM2501 | ibot monkeys |
| 22:20.59 | ibot | This problem, like many others in the computer industry, can be solved by the application of monkeys. |
| 22:21.27 | purple_cow | are there track names for 4, 5, 8 and 19? |
| 22:21.39 | JeffM2501 | not that I know of :( |
| 22:21.46 | JeffM2501 | I will look at the CD case when I get home |
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| 22:21.59 | brlcad | hello Tegan |
| 22:22.31 | Pimpinella | when i have a group within a bzw file, can i ahve objects within, that can be of different color (only one, not all) from one instance to another? |
| 22:22.41 | JeffM2501 | it's no katumari, but most of it's good/funny |
| 22:23.11 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: is there a way to fix an account that someone sent wrong email in to? |
| 22:23.18 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:23.37 | *** part/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:23.41 | JeffM2501 | just /msg me the name, and mail they should have used. |
| 22:23.43 | Nidhoggr | can you fix "pickle" |
| 22:23.51 | bryjen | ~yn |
| 22:23.52 | ibot | hmm... yesno is Only ask a question that can be answered with "yes" or "no" if you really want "yes" or "no" as the answer. If you don't want "yes" or "no" as the answer, _ask a different question_. See also http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html |
| 22:23.52 | Nidhoggr | let me /msg you an email |
| 22:23.57 | JeffM2501 | I can |
| 22:23.58 | JeffM2501 | you can |
| 22:24.11 | JeffM2501 | go to admin pannel |
| 22:24.15 | JeffM2501 | user controll |
| 22:24.16 | Pimpinella | and what is "tint" |
| 22:24.18 | Nidhoggr | ok. |
| 22:24.33 | JeffM2501 | want me to do ti? |
| 22:24.39 | Nidhoggr | sure. |
| 22:24.59 | JeffM2501 | done |
| 22:25.02 | JeffM2501 | but just so you know |
| 22:25.05 | JeffM2501 | just find them |
| 22:25.07 | JeffM2501 | fix the mail |
| 22:25.10 | JeffM2501 | then go to the bottom |
| 22:25.24 | JeffM2501 | and set the "account enabled" from no to yes |
| 22:25.25 | Nidhoggr | ok... cool. |
| 22:25.27 | JeffM2501 | and that'll do it |
| 22:25.40 | JeffM2501 | verifing just sets that bit |
| 22:25.47 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501: can you make a group for me<<ß |
| 22:25.48 | Nidhoggr | thanks. :) |
| 22:25.56 | JeffM2501 | Pimpinella, bzbb name? |
| 22:26.01 | trepan | Pimpinella: "tint" colors all mesh faces in a group, and its sub-groups |
| 22:26.07 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 22:26.26 | JeffM2501 | groupname? |
| 22:26.45 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501: something with viper and cops |
| 22:26.52 | Pimpinella | up to you |
| 22:27.09 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 22:27.28 | Pimpinella | trepan: didn't understand that |
| 22:27.56 | JeffM2501 | done |
| 22:27.58 | JeffM2501 | viper.cops |
| 22:28.01 | Pimpinella | ty |
| 22:28.05 | JeffM2501 | your the mod |
| 22:28.34 | JeffM2501 | edit it with the "usergroups" |
| 22:28.35 | trepan | Pimpinella: i just put the "Tanks" map up, it demonstrates "tint" |
| 22:28.52 | Pimpinella | public server? |
| 22:28.56 | trepan | yup |
| 22:29.11 | trepan | all of the tanks come from 1 "define/enddef" |
| 22:29.12 | Pimpinella | trepan: when i have a group within a bzw file, can i ahve objects within, that can be of different color (only one, not all) from one instance to another? |
| 22:29.12 | JeffM2501 | Pimpinella, and add whoever you want to it |
| 22:29.28 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501: great, thank you |
| 22:29.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 22:30.15 | trepan | Pimpinella: all objects in the group get tinted, it is not selective |
| 22:30.22 | Pimpinella | k |
| 22:30.25 | trepan | (except for non-mesh type objects) |
| 22:34.21 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/data/Makefile.am: typo |
| 22:34.29 | Pimpinella | trepan: yeah, thats what i was earching for :) |
| 22:34.39 | TimRiker | brlcad: fixed the debian ref and the 256x256 ref. |
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| 22:36.06 | bryjen | afternoon, MeBigFatGuy. ready for release? |
| 22:36.20 | MeBigFatGuy | could be more ready :) |
| 22:36.25 | brlcad | TimRiker: just noticed |
| 22:36.25 | MeBigFatGuy | er, couldn't... |
| 22:36.31 | brlcad | so then we're ready?? |
| 22:36.52 | brlcad | excellent |
| 22:36.57 | JeffM2501 | need me to do the build? |
| 22:37.02 | JeffM2501 | or is dtr here? |
| 22:37.07 | brlcad | I'll update the version and tag it |
| 22:37.22 | brlcad | 2.0.2 ? |
| 22:37.34 | TimRiker | did we have a 2.0.1? |
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| 22:37.43 | JeffM2501 | the odd would be a dev version |
| 22:37.48 | JeffM2501 | what happend to 0? |
| 22:37.49 | MeBigFatGuy | i have a dream.... that bzflag will be released today |
| 22:37.50 | TimRiker | I thought we had a 2.0.0 so 2.0.1 was next. |
| 22:38.03 | TimRiker | ok, 2.0.2 make sense. |
| 22:38.22 | TimRiker | brlcad: don't tag till you change ALL the version refs |
| 22:38.25 | brlcad | 2.0.0 briefly, so 2.0.1 is next, but that's a dev version.. so if i'm updating for a tardist, it becomes 2.0.2 |
| 22:38.50 | TimRiker | ok. must edit all .nsi refs etc. _first_ |
| 22:39.04 | brlcad | or could just go with 2.0.0 |
| 22:39.16 | brlcad | it was after all only an hour or two |
| 22:39.19 | JeffM2501 | nothing was done on SF as 2.0.0 was it? |
| 22:39.32 | brlcad | right nothing |
| 22:39.41 | brlcad | it was just in cvs for a couple hours as 2.0.0 |
| 22:39.42 | JeffM2501 | odd's are deve |
| 22:39.42 | trepan | so 2.0.1 would still be stable, 2.1.0 woudl be dev |
| 22:39.55 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.1 would be a dev update for a stable patch |
| 22:39.56 | brlcad | ahh, right .. |
| 22:40.11 | JeffM2501 | it would be compatable with 2.0.x |
| 22:40.16 | JeffM2501 | that's what the version doc says |
| 22:40.18 | brlcad | but cvs version |
| 22:40.18 | TimRiker | brlcad: there is a list of files to touch in buildDate.cxx |
| 22:40.29 | JeffM2501 | basicly never release a x.y.odd |
| 22:40.37 | brlcad | TimRiker: so 2.0.0 or 2.0.somethingelse? |
| 22:40.58 | JeffM2501 | cus it's usposed to be that odds are testing versions for a compatable bug fix release |
| 22:41.00 | TimRiker | vote... |
| 22:41.06 | JeffM2501 | I say .0 |
| 22:41.11 | JeffM2501 | noone has seen .0 realy |
| 22:41.17 | TimRiker | I'd do 2.0.2 but no strong preference. |
| 22:41.31 | JeffM2501 | .2 is confusing |
| 22:41.40 | JeffM2501 | and few have .0 |
| 22:41.42 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: had a few support questions in here yesterday about the 2.0.0 they were building from cvs. |
| 22:41.44 | bryjen | if its .2 then .0 really was the version that never was |
| 22:41.46 | JeffM2501 | none has .0-stable |
| 22:41.59 | JeffM2501 | those couple of people will live :) |
| 22:42.08 | JeffM2501 | just say "it was a bad build, get the real one" :) |
| 22:42.17 | TimRiker | true. just means it's not nobody, just almost nobody. |
| 22:42.43 | TimRiker | anyone else want to voice an opinion? |
| 22:43.04 | TimRiker | trepan? Chestal? purple_cow? DTRemenak? |
| 22:43.15 | JeffM2501 | there are no absolutes in the universe, it's allways going to be "allmost" |
| 22:43.19 | MeBigFatGuy | 2.0.0 |
| 22:43.19 | JeffM2501 | it just depends where you draw the line |
| 22:43.36 | TimRiker | well, nobody has played with bzflag 6.0 yet. ;-) |
| 22:43.42 | MeBigFatGuy | thar ya go |
| 22:43.56 | TimRiker | where so == .0 ? |
| 22:44.08 | brlcad | sure |
| 22:44.14 | TimRiker | k |
| 22:44.24 | brlcad | DTRemenak, Chestal, purple_cow last say? |
| 22:44.34 | TimRiker | anyone have files to add to the touch list? |
| 22:45.15 | TimRiker | ChangeLog, README, package/win32/nsis/*.nsi, package/win32/*.nsi, src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag-Info.plist, tools/TextTool-W32/TextTool.rc, win32/VC6/installer.dsp |
| 22:45.32 | TimRiker | hmm. src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag-Info.plist should be gone. there's a .in iirc. |
| 22:46.08 | brlcad | TimRiker: noticed, already fixed |
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| 22:47.06 | TimRiker | brlcad: heh.. too late.... |
| 22:47.14 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: sneak in a comment change |
| 22:47.58 | TimRiker | heh. |
| 22:49.41 | JeffM2501 | ping me if you want me to build |
| 22:49.46 | JeffM2501 | work |
| 22:50.06 | TimRiker | as soon as brlcad stamps, we build. we all wait for SF. |
| 22:50.24 | JeffM2501 | yes but ping me :) |
| 22:50.27 | Nidhoggr | what is brlcad stamping? :) |
| 22:50.29 | TimRiker | =) |
| 22:50.33 | brlcad | presumably someone has done a distcheck recently .. |
| 22:50.43 | Nidhoggr | what's that do? |
| 22:50.45 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: tagging cvs sources _after_ changing version numbers. |
| 22:50.50 | Nidhoggr | aaaah |
| 22:50.51 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): update version to 2.0.0 |
| 22:50.53 | TimRiker | brlcad: I just finished one, yes. |
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| 22:51.51 | brlcad | any complaints if I bump rcs version to 2 ? |
| 22:52.27 | TimRiker | huh? |
| 22:52.35 | Tupone | I'm not sure if it is right |
| 22:52.46 | brlcad | TimRiker: we're sitting on rcs revision 1 right now |
| 22:53.03 | Tupone | I'd stay with 1 |
| 22:53.04 | brlcad | so, for example, bzfs is rcs version 1.1023 or something right now |
| 22:53.14 | TimRiker | brlcad: ah. hmm. I never take much notice of the rcs versions. easier to just leave em imho |
| 22:53.28 | brlcad | we can keep on with 1, but it's usually informative to bump that .. and with a major number, now's as best a time as any |
| 22:53.49 | Tupone | rcs version are just internals, better forget IMHO |
| 22:53.52 | brlcad | at least bumping on a major like this |
| 22:53.55 | TimRiker | it's not going to screw anything else up? |
| 22:54.03 | brlcad | Tupone: but it hurts nothing |
| 22:54.12 | brlcad | no, it's just reference point |
| 22:54.24 | tapo | the jump-sound is too loud. my opinion. |
| 22:54.27 | Tupone | I have never done, and CVS does not say anything about it, IIRC |
| 22:54.36 | brlcad | cvs does :) |
| 22:54.49 | brlcad | i've done this many times.. it's a 1-liner :) |
| 22:55.05 | tapo | famous last words? :) |
| 22:55.07 | TimRiker | brlcad: hit it. |
| 22:55.09 | brlcad | just a matter if someone finds 1.1230 more useful than 2.1 ;) |
| 22:55.20 | TimRiker | have you stamped yet? I just thought of something... |
| 22:55.47 | TimRiker | the debian changelog needs to get a new block for the 2.0 release. want me to make that now before the stamp? |
| 22:55.57 | brlcad | sure |
| 22:55.59 | purple_cow | brlcad: i'd wait to do that bump until after it's tagged |
| 22:56.16 | brlcad | purple_cow: k, that works |
| 22:59.44 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:59.47 | DTRemenak | that's for NSIS 2.0 |
| 22:59.57 | DTRemenak | no relation to bzflag 2.0 |
| 23:00.14 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/debian/changelog.in: close debian bugs |
| 23:00.17 | DTRemenak | and probably doesn't work right now anyway |
| 23:00.24 | TimRiker | brlcad: k. that should do it. |
| 23:00.31 | brlcad | alrighty |
| 23:00.33 | brlcad | last call |
| 23:00.48 | brlcad | 3 .. 2 .. |
| 23:00.51 | DTRemenak | go! |
| 23:01.54 | TimRiker | and we wait for SF... |
| 23:02.10 | orchid | Time of release: 2005-01-17 23:02:01 UTC |
| 23:02.28 | brlcad | yeah, it's incrediby slow |
| 23:03.16 | SportChick | hoooooooooorrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 23:03.35 | *** join/#bzflag sommertimer3 (RbaoHce9@pool-70-23-90-243.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:03.35 | Aribeth | WOOT |
| 23:04.14 | blast007 | :D |
| 23:04.29 | Thumper_ | so how long does it normally take (not having seen this before) to get the source tarball available on CVS ? |
| 23:04.55 | Thumper_ | s/CVS/Sourceforge |
| 23:05.01 | SportChick | ~brlcad++ |
| 23:05.04 | SportChick | ~learner++ |
| 23:05.13 | SportChick | ~TimRiker++ |
| 23:05.19 | SportChick | ~bryjen++ |
| 23:05.25 | DTRemenak | ~SportChick++ |
| 23:05.26 | SportChick | blast007++ |
| 23:05.27 | Aribeth | ~brlcad++ |
| 23:05.31 | SportChick | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 23:05.37 | Aribeth | ~learner++ |
| 23:05.41 | brlcad | poor ibot |
| 23:05.46 | SportChick | ~Tupone++ |
| 23:05.46 | brlcad | ~ibot++ |
| 23:05.50 | Aribeth | ~TimRiker++ |
| 23:05.55 | SportChick | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 23:05.59 | bryjen | hehe @ brlcad |
| 23:06.13 | SportChick | ~sgk284++ |
| 23:06.15 | bryjen | eep |
| 23:06.18 | SportChick | ~trepan++ |
| 23:06.18 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:06.29 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 23:06.29 | Aribeth | ~trepan++ |
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| 23:06.56 | *** join/#bzflag a_monkey (~thechimp@user-0can32u.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:07.03 | animeborg | hi |
| 23:07.06 | a_monkey | yo |
| 23:07.13 | brlcad | *whew* .. obtained it only to be blocked again |
| 23:07.13 | Elspuddy | better |
| 23:07.35 | *** join/#bzflag mac_and_cheese (~grantmul@user-0can32u.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:07.37 | DTRemenak | what is up with sf's cvs... |
| 23:07.43 | Elspuddy | how meany teams colours can bzflag have ? |
| 23:07.45 | a_monkey | hi cheesey |
| 23:07.47 | DTRemenak | it's been slow all day, and now this... :) |
| 23:07.50 | mac_and_cheese | hi |
| 23:08.05 | brlcad | waiting for Nidhoggr's lock now! |
| 23:08.09 | Nidhoggr | hahahahaha |
| 23:08.10 | a_monkey | Elspuddy: rougue, red, green, blue, purple, rabbit, hunter |
| 23:08.12 | DTRemenak | ooh, he passed you :) |
| 23:08.25 | Nidhoggr | well, I'm waiting for YOUR lock, now. |
| 23:08.32 | DTRemenak | who, me? |
| 23:08.37 | Elspuddy | rouge is a colour ?? ;) |
| 23:08.41 | mac_and_cheese | hold on just a sec.... |
| 23:08.44 | a_monkey | Elspuddy: well, it's a team ;) |
| 23:08.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh he's here |
| 23:08.49 | JeffM2501 | I don['t have to co |
| 23:08.51 | bryjen | there are four teams. rougue isn't a team. rabbit and hunter are only in the rabbit chase gamestyle |
| 23:08.56 | JeffM2501 | unless you want me to do it DTRemenak |
| 23:08.57 | Elspuddy | o./k, whats the command to chage teams ? |
| 23:09.04 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: makes no difference to me |
| 23:09.20 | orchid | Elspuddy: rejoin as your desired color |
| 23:09.20 | JeffM2501 | then you it is:) |
| 23:09.24 | DTRemenak | ok :) |
| 23:09.55 | a_monkey | Elspuddy: good idea to wait a few secs between parting and joining so ppl don't accuse you of rejoining |
| 23:10.02 | bryjen | ~spell rougue |
| 23:10.05 | ibot | possible spellings for rougue: rogue rouge Rodge Rourke Roger roger rogues rouged rouges Rog rug ridge roue Dougie brogue drogue rage rougher Reggie Rockie rookie fugue gouge rough rouse route vogue |
| 23:10.06 | JeffM2501 | you have better spelling them me anyway |
| 23:10.50 | brlcad | heh, now riker's lock |
| 23:10.53 | a_monkey | i wish my linux box had 3d accel so i could play bz on it |
| 23:10.55 | bryjen | ...contagious... |
| 23:10.56 | TimRiker | =) |
| 23:10.58 | brlcad | is everyone just updating non-stop? :) |
| 23:11.03 | Elspuddy | thanks, and how do i login as the admin of the bz server that i'm running ? |
| 23:11.29 | a_monkey | Elspuddy: /password bla i think |
| 23:11.31 | bryjen | while [ brlcad -eq committing ]; do cvs up ; done |
| 23:11.36 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I hit update right after I came back, and it's still going |
| 23:11.44 | DTRemenak | it's in src/bzflag now |
| 23:11.47 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Lego|Desk@adsl-67-36-180-45.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 23:11.51 | DTRemenak | waiting for...your lock |
| 23:11.59 | DTRemenak | ;) |
| 23:12.12 | TimRiker | lock, lock, who wants a lock? |
| 23:12.28 | TimRiker | with a pen, right? |
| 23:12.43 | DTRemenak | with my fingernails |
| 23:12.59 | brlcad | panama canal lock? |
| 23:13.08 | DTRemenak | lock of hair? |
| 23:13.09 | JeffM2501 | nessie!!!!! |
| 23:14.04 | sgk284 | TimRiker, was that a reference to kyrponite's locks? :) |
| 23:14.13 | JeffM2501 | just for my info, did you end up building in the obj converter into the install? |
| 23:14.32 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: no, I didn't, sorry. |
| 23:14.37 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 23:14.37 | Elspuddy | a_monkey: /password ? is there a console that i can bring down ? |
| 23:14.39 | JeffM2501 | just wanted to know |
| 23:14.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: want me to post it somewhere? |
| 23:14.47 | JeffM2501 | not like I ever install binarys |
| 23:14.51 | DTRemenak | or heck, you can |
| 23:14.52 | a_monkey | Elspuddy: no |
| 23:15.01 | DTRemenak | if you still have it around |
| 23:15.02 | brlcad | SportChick: a lil bit early to be pimping new features just yet, don'tcha think? :) |
| 23:15.14 | a_monkey | Elspuddy: just press 'n' like you want to send a text message and type "/password bla" |
| 23:15.51 | brlcad | wow, cvs lock purgatory here |
| 23:15.53 | a_monkey | Elspuddy: tell me if it works |
| 23:16.42 | trepan | heh |
| 23:17.15 | DTRemenak | bryjen: I don't think CIA informs on tags |
| 23:17.21 | brlcad | that's one way to guarantee syncronized access.. just lock everyone 1 bit at a time |
| 23:17.21 | DTRemenak | might be wrong |
| 23:17.41 | bryjen | aua |
| 23:17.46 | brlcad | doesn't |
| 23:17.53 | DTRemenak | bryjen: may as well start now :) |
| 23:18.04 | brlcad | it will accounce the rcs revision update |
| 23:18.08 | DTRemenak | ah, it will? |
| 23:18.27 | brlcad | we'll see i guess :) |
| 23:18.32 | a_monkey | Elspuddy: you know the server's admin password, right? |
| 23:18.40 | brlcad | if this tag ever finishes |
| 23:19.05 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: Nooo.. now I'm fighting with dtr :) |
| 23:19.09 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 23:19.10 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 23:19.15 | brlcad | and now riker again |
| 23:19.21 | brlcad | i'ts like three locks per dir :) |
| 23:20.07 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:20.20 | DTRemenak | I'll play you, what server? |
| 23:20.42 | DTRemenak | or is upgrade-your-client the only one now? |
| 23:20.49 | SportChick | brlcad: I figure if I don't get it in early, it will get lost (again) |
| 23:20.49 | bryjen | bzflist17 |
| 23:20.51 | bryjen | ~bzflist17 |
| 23:20.58 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:21.03 | bryjen | odd |
| 23:21.10 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 23:21.24 | bryjen | does the 1.7 list not really work anymore? |
| 23:21.39 | retro | did I hear my name? |
| 23:21.49 | DTRemenak | heh, sorry retro |
| 23:21.54 | DTRemenak | ~dict retro |
| 23:22.02 | retro | ah, DTRemenak is gonna shoot with a 10:1 kill ratio! Good idea. :) |
| 23:22.07 | DTRemenak | that's what I meant, not you :) |
| 23:22.18 | brlcad | heh, yay, it's done |
| 23:22.24 | DTRemenak | hey! waiting for atupone's lock... :) |
| 23:22.29 | retro | ya, I figured. :) |
| 23:22.30 | brlcad | 1.7 was fun too :) |
| 23:22.33 | brlcad | so different now |
| 23:22.38 | DTRemenak | there we go |
| 23:22.46 | brlcad | jumping through the floor on hix |
| 23:22.56 | retro | I started playing on 1.7g2 years ago. |
| 23:23.25 | retro | any servers still running for it? |
| 23:23.27 | bryjen | hmm. my firewall rules must not like 1.7 anymore |
| 23:23.38 | brlcad | ~bzflist17 |
| 23:24.20 | brlcad | who's posting the tardist? |
| 23:24.54 | brlcad | tag is v2_0_0 |
| 23:26.36 | TimRiker | debian packages submitted. |
| 23:26.39 | *** join/#bzflag sthurber (~sthurber@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:26.46 | TimRiker | I'm upload the tar to sf now. |
| 23:27.09 | brlcad | rcs updated |
| 23:27.17 | retro | will it be in the usual downloads area? |
| 23:27.46 | Tupone | I guess source should be the first, no? |
| 23:27.57 | retro | K. Thx. |
| 23:30.34 | *** join/#bzflag Privia (~Privia@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:33.21 | TimRiker | source uploaded. now 8.5M sheesh. |
| 23:34.43 | retro | Ahh, the power of open source. |
| 23:37.04 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Thank you, RPG! - http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=26845#26845 || BZFlag 2.0.0 is Released! - Go to http://sf.net/projects/bzflag to download it |
| 23:37.08 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/ (30 files in 2 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:37.31 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (8 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:37.34 | *** join/#bzflag nilson (nilson@pcp03331736pcs.tsclos01.al.comcast.net) |
| 23:37.39 | nilson | BZF 2! :-) |
| 23:37.41 | brlcad | that's gonna be a lot of e-mail |
| 23:38.26 | TimRiker | uploaded a .bz2 version as well. need a dos formatted .zip at some point. |
| 23:38.46 | JeffM2501 | I can do tha for you easy if you wish |
| 23:39.08 | TimRiker | note that the x86 .deb's are on the build/1.11 page so you don't have to wait for debian builds to get through. |
| 23:39.17 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: sure. |
| 23:39.34 | JeffM2501 | all it is, is a cvs export |
| 23:39.37 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/data/ (97 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:39.39 | JeffM2501 | from a windows system |
| 23:40.05 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/data/fonts/ (44 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:40.25 | JeffM2501 | cept I'm waiting on locks |
| 23:40.28 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/ (27 files in 2 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:40.54 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/doc/ (113 files in 5 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:40.59 | TimRiker | I think I can get the right thing from unix using -a or -aa or some silly thing, but from windows would be best. be sure to exclude all the CVS stuff etc like the tarballs do. |
| 23:41.14 | Legoguy | ebuilds on the way |
| 23:41.20 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/doc/ (23 files in 4 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:41.23 | SportChick | is listserv for 2.0 up yet? |
| 23:41.46 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/doc/man/ (Makefile.am bzadmin.xml bzflag.xml bzfs.xml): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:41.50 | brlcad | same list server, though servers need to rebuild |
| 23:41.52 | TimRiker | current list server works with 2.0 |
| 23:42.45 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/ (186 files in 3 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:42.50 | Legoguy | probably building still |
| 23:43.05 | Legoguy | that's what dt said, would be ready in 5-10 mins |
| 23:43.09 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/ (24 files in 7 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:43.32 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/ (16 files in 3 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:44.00 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (24 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:44.12 | DTRemenak | SportChick: it's built, uploading now |
| 23:44.21 | SportChick | DTRemenak: thanks |
| 23:44.39 | Legoguy | ebuilds will probably be in portage before the end of the day |
| 23:45.04 | Legoguy | until then i'll post a link to ones you can put in your overlay |
| 23:46.22 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (155 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:48.08 | *** join/#bzflag TexasH (TexasHunte@adsl-69-154-65-214.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:48.45 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (101 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:48.47 | TexasH | howdy -- i installed new version, but it can't get to listserver at bzflag.org/db --- it is just me??? |
| 23:49.03 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/ (35 files in 2 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:49.35 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/game/ (23 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:49.43 | TimRiker | hmm. one.bzflag.org is running 2.0.0, but my 2.0.0 bzadmin won't connect to it. |
| 23:50.04 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/geometry/ (28 files in 2 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:50.18 | DTRemenak | win32 build is up. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.0.exe?download |
| 23:50.21 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/geometry/models/tank/ (16 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:50.37 | TexasH | never mind -- it is working now................ |
| 23:50.40 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/ (24 files in 2 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:50.44 | brlcad | this has got to be one of the longest commits.. |
| 23:51.10 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/ (26 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:51.24 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a5:3b8f:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 23:51.30 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/ogl/ (9 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:52.38 | TimRiker | brlcad: and you said it was easy... ;-) |
| 23:52.38 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (73 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:52.55 | brlcad | TimRiker: oh, i'm not doing anything :) |
| 23:53.02 | brlcad | it's just a cvs commit -r 2 |
| 23:53.04 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/src/ (37 files in 4 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:53.10 | brlcad | just taking forever |
| 23:53.21 | brlcad | sf is being so slow |
| 23:53.48 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/ (57 files in 4 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:54.09 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/ (11 files in 4 dirs): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:54.37 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/ (24 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:54.38 | Legoguy | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78438 |
| 23:55.02 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 072 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (22 files): dawn of version 2.0, update rcs version to 2 |
| 23:58.34 | Legoguy | what parts of SDL does bzflag 2 need |
| 23:58.40 | Legoguy | sdl-net? sdl-gfx? |
