| 00:00.15 | Legoguy | it will be ver 2.0 right? |
| 00:00.40 | Legoguy | source file bzflag-2.0.20050110.tar.gz depending on date? |
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| 00:01.53 | Sbgodin | Do someone knows why "/reload" make the "@" disappear ? |
| 00:02.29 | tofu | Legoguy: yep, 2.0.0 |
| 00:02.35 | Legoguy | ok |
| 00:02.42 | Grumbler | thats not good, the .35 version from bzbb crashed a whole lot |
| 00:03.56 | Grumbler | was only able to play it in window mode, and then it still crashed after a couple minutes of play....and oh yeah, it befuggled my gamma settings |
| 00:04.11 | Grumbler | is there another windows version compiled out there? |
| 00:08.13 | Grumbler | now that is scary |
| 00:09.04 | tofu | already done ;) |
| 00:10.11 | tofu | purple_cow: when's scanline return? |
| 00:10.39 | Grumbler | uhoh.....all the computers are going down.........wait, they are all printing something to the screen.........bzflag is your master....bzflag is your master.......send money to learner......bzflag is your master |
| 00:10.50 | tofu | purple_cow, will you beat him when he gets back for everyone? |
| 00:10.59 | tofu | Grumbler: hehehe |
| 00:11.41 | tofu | you have an md.us domain? :) |
| 00:12.10 | tofu | i'd scheduled world domination for tomorrow, not today |
| 00:12.28 | tofu | might have to put it off for this bz release though |
| 00:13.33 | Grumbler | well, if everyone was playing bzflag, then they would have time to bomb things.........then again, there was that tv show....with sub, that went in time where a world supercompter ran everything and everybody played games |
| 00:14.07 | Legoguy | dinner |
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| 00:26.26 | Nidhoggr | ~seek sgk284 |
| 00:26.33 | Nidhoggr | eerrps |
| 00:26.40 | Nidhoggr | ~seen sgk284 |
| 00:26.41 | ibot | sgk284 <~stevek@AC8D4644.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 20h 9m 51s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 00:31.07 | Nidhoggr | hrm. lots of SDL related errors on my compile. |
| 00:31.13 | Nidhoggr | sdl is installed |
| 00:31.53 | Nidhoggr | this is on secretplace |
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| 00:54.20 | wegstar | !weather 94030 |
| 00:54.22 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in Millbrae, California is 57°F (3:56 PM PST on January 10, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 48°F. Pressure: 29.78 in (1008 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 00:55.10 | wegstar | !weather 12345 |
| 00:55.13 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in Schenectady, New York is 37°F (6:45 PM EST on January 10, 2005). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 28°F. Wind: WNW at 23 mph (37 km/h). Pressure: 30.07 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 00:55.21 | wegstar | !guu |
| 00:55.21 | guu | guu is hip and cool, baffuuuuuu |
| 00:55.37 | wegstar | ! |
| 00:56.01 | wegstar | !hi |
| 00:56.01 | guu | wegstar: Bombs are great! |
| 00:56.14 | wegstar | !yo |
| 00:56.14 | guu | wegstar: what are you smoking, and did you bring enough for everyone? |
| 00:56.24 | wegstar | darn it... |
| 00:56.28 | wegstar | (blush) |
| 00:56.43 | wegstar | !monkey |
| 00:56.44 | guu | wegstar: Huwwwwat!!?!?! |
| 00:56.57 | wegstar | !asdf |
| 00:56.58 | guu | wegstar: this is IRC not a retard convention. |
| 00:57.03 | wegstar | !asdf |
| 00:57.04 | guu | wegstar: Tah mah de |
| 00:57.21 | brlcad | hrm |
| 00:57.25 | wegstar | ahh... mf in mandarin |
| 00:57.32 | wegstar | saucy... |
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| 01:12.38 | amathis | so I suppose ya'll didn't reboot? |
| 01:12.41 | amathis | arg. |
| 01:12.45 | amathis | so I suppose ya'll didn't release? |
| 01:12.48 | wegstar | ...? |
| 01:13.33 | amathis | ...? |
| 01:13.40 | wegstar | .....? |
| 01:14.02 | wegstar | = |
| 01:14.02 | wegstar | ...........??? |
| 01:14.39 | RC_cola | . |
| 01:14.49 | amathis | hi RC_cola |
| 01:14.53 | RC_cola | hehee |
| 01:14.55 | RC_cola | . |
| 01:15.05 | RC_cola | jus had 2 add mah 2 dots in ;) |
| 01:15.08 | RC_cola | nhi pb |
| 01:15.15 | RC_cola | -n |
| 01:15.25 | wegstar | :-P |
| 01:15.35 | RC_cola | =P |
| 01:15.51 | wegstar | hm... |
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| 01:22.06 | wegstar | hi legoguy... |
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| 01:22.28 | amathis | hi orchid |
| 01:22.37 | orchid | hi |
| 01:23.15 | brlcad | hi amathis |
| 01:23.22 | amathis | hi brlcad |
| 01:23.48 | noyb | I just grabbed fresh cvs and built it on osx 10.3.7 and found a little trouble. |
| 01:24.45 | noyb | starting the server via the bzflag gui and selecting a map had no effect. I get a random map no matter what saved map I have selected to use. |
| 01:27.57 | DTRemenak | brlcad: when should we release? |
| 01:28.32 | brlcad | DTRemenak: yesterday |
| 01:28.48 | DTRemenak | ok. when's a good second choice? |
| 01:28.49 | brlcad | he never did show up did he? :) |
| 01:28.58 | DTRemenak | hey, he said he'd be back sunday |
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| 01:29.13 | DTRemenak | so if he's not back...his loss? |
| 01:31.02 | DTRemenak | brlcad: if it's gonna be more than a couple, I'll drop a release candidate build on the boards. |
| 01:31.08 | DTRemenak | err, a couple hours |
| 01:31.29 | brlcad | oh i wasn't waiting regardless :) |
| 01:31.34 | brlcad | the project lives on |
| 01:32.01 | brlcad | hrm.. couple hours.. good question.. |
| 01:32.08 | brlcad | i think we can release tonight |
| 01:32.29 | DTRemenak | yeah, no kidding |
| 01:34.09 | DTRemenak | hrmph, someone needs to update the dev-cpp project too. |
| 01:34.15 | brlcad | I might have to put off irix support for 2.0.2 |
| 01:34.21 | brlcad | so that I can update the Mac project |
| 01:34.59 | DTRemenak | solaris cc is also broken, but Tim said 'twould be ok to release without it. there's a note in README.SOLARIS that says to use gcc for now. |
| 01:35.28 | DTRemenak | I wonder if there's anyone around with VC6... |
| 01:36.13 | brlcad | i ain't touching solaris :) |
| 01:36.28 | DTRemenak | brlcad: solaris/gcc works, that's good enough for me :) |
| 01:36.30 | brlcad | suns compiler makes me cry |
| 01:36.56 | Aribeth | and it's a nightmare to install |
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| 01:37.27 | DTRemenak | Aribeth: fortunately I don't have to worry about that part, not my box :) |
| 01:37.51 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~Legolas@69.106.132.154) |
| 01:37.55 | Legolas | hi im back |
| 01:38.03 | Legolas | anything i missed? |
| 01:38.10 | Legolas | is it out yet? |
| 01:38.44 | Legolas | hello? |
| 01:38.57 | brlcad | wow |
| 01:39.03 | brlcad | slow down there ;) |
| 01:39.48 | Aribeth | you will get a more harmonious outcome |
| 01:41.38 | Legolas | lol |
| 01:41.42 | Legolas | ok |
| 01:41.47 | Aribeth | lol |
| 01:42.11 | Aribeth | and 4 part harmony |
| 01:42.38 | DTRemenak | oh, boy, warnings! |
| 01:42.49 | brlcad | yay |
| 01:42.59 | Aribeth | lucku you. |
| 01:43.08 | Aribeth | lucky* |
| 01:44.05 | Legolas | so is the release out yet? |
| 01:44.52 | Legolas | i guess thats a no:( |
| 01:45.36 | brlcad | you must be a different Legolas .. |
| 01:45.49 | Legolas | same as earleir today |
| 01:46.03 | Legolas | at 2-3 |
| 01:46.13 | brlcad | yes, but not same as that used to play with me on ducati |
| 01:46.18 | Legolas | !weather 93637 |
| 01:46.20 | guu | Legolas: The current temperature in Madera, California is 56°F (4:53 PM PST on January 10, 2005). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 53°F. Wind: ESE at 8 mph (13 km/h). Pressure: 29.83 in (1010 hPa). Visibility: 5.0 miles (8.0 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 01:46.29 | brlcad | heh, you're in california? |
| 01:46.37 | Legolas | whaterver is the release out yet? |
| 01:46.49 | brlcad | then you definately are a different Legolas :P |
| 01:46.51 | DTRemenak | heh, now I'm not so confused |
| 01:47.04 | Legolas | so what! is it out yet? |
| 01:47.23 | Legolas | yes/no? |
| 01:47.31 | DTRemenak | heh. I was just going to suggest something like that. |
| 01:47.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+q Legolas!*@*] by brlcad |
| 01:47.46 | brlcad | thanks, I love you too |
| 01:47.51 | DTRemenak | Legolas: watch and listen, you'll know when it comes out. |
| 01:48.36 | brlcad | and you might want to consider another callsign.. |
| 01:48.50 | brlcad | Legolas is a well known player |
| 01:50.29 | brlcad | the other guy, that is -- his callsign. yes we all love the movie, but there are other names to choose from too :) |
| 01:50.29 | brlcad | you'll be revoiced assuming you can behave |
| 01:50.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [-q Legolas!*@*] by brlcad |
| 01:50.51 | Legolas | ok ill be revoiced please |
| 01:55.35 | orange | ah, ok, I didn't remember legolas being quite that energetic |
| 01:59.25 | brlcad | he's not -- threw me for a big loop |
| 01:59.36 | wegstar | !weather 94030 |
| 01:59.39 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in Millbrae, California is 53°F (5:56 PM PST on January 10, 2005). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 51°F. Wind: SSE at 12 mph (18 km/h). Pressure: 29.70 in (1006 hPa). Visibility: 7.0 miles (11.3 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 02:02.23 | DTRemenak | brlcad: have you seen lan56 around recently? |
| 02:02.45 | brlcad | Aribeth: if he was mello, polite, and fun .. probably |
| 02:03.03 | wegstar | mellow? |
| 02:03.04 | brlcad | he's an Ace on FFA |
| 02:03.15 | wegstar | yeah... |
| 02:03.21 | brlcad | mostly plays on secretplace |
| 02:03.25 | brlcad | nowdays |
| 02:03.39 | DTRemenak | well, you'll definately have a way to tell them apart on 1.11. One will have a +, and one a -... |
| 02:03.54 | Aribeth | ihe sounds vagly familiar |
| 02:06.34 | JeffM2501 | wow I can't spell |
| 02:06.50 | DTRemenak | how many years did it take you to realize that? |
| 02:07.00 | JeffM2501 | 19.5 |
| 02:07.09 | Aribeth | i cant either |
| 02:08.09 | Aribeth | is it aeiou, or eoiau, or ...... |
| 02:08.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:08.27 | JeffM2501 | I reverse letters all the time |
| 02:08.37 | Aribeth | same here |
| 02:08.39 | Legolas | lol im still here you know |
| 02:08.42 | JeffM2501 | thankfully the edit button is my friend |
| 02:08.42 | Legolas | bye |
| 02:09.06 | Aribeth | hehe, mine too, and a spell checker |
| 02:09.18 | JeffM2501 | sadly no spellchecker on bzbb |
| 02:09.28 | Aribeth | or chat |
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| 02:10.02 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:10.08 | JeffM2501 | legolas is cool, don't bag on him |
| 02:10.10 | wegstar | Legoguy and Legolas???... i'm getting confused..... |
| 02:10.15 | JeffM2501 | he's one of the actualy sane kiddies |
| 02:10.19 | wegstar | lego |
| 02:10.19 | Legoguy | i never said he wasn't cool |
| 02:10.21 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: there are two of them now |
| 02:10.24 | wegstar | ah |
| 02:10.25 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 02:10.28 | DTRemenak | one was on this channel - he's not on the board |
| 02:10.29 | Legoguy | but you know, it can get confusing :P |
| 02:10.29 | *** part/#bzflag wegstar (~foo@adsl-67-123-174-145.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 02:10.29 | JeffM2501 | then screw the other one |
| 02:10.32 | DTRemenak | the one on the board is cool |
| 02:10.36 | Legoguy | people think he's me, i'm him, etx |
| 02:10.39 | DTRemenak | this one seems to be hyperactive |
| 02:10.49 | DTRemenak | and is californian |
| 02:10.52 | JeffM2501 | like the last 15 munckins wernt? |
| 02:10.56 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~Legolas@69.106.132.154) |
| 02:11.00 | Legoguy | yes legolas, this one, told me he's not the one on the board |
| 02:11.09 | JeffM2501 | ahh a poster |
| 02:11.19 | Legoguy | he complained "someone took my name on bzbb!" |
| 02:11.22 | Legoguy | or something |
| 02:11.23 | Legolas | im not:( but have had this callsign forever practlly |
| 02:11.34 | Legoguy | so this isn't the same guy, but he's cool |
| 02:11.45 | JeffM2501 | how long is forever? |
| 02:11.46 | Legoguy | ah he's here, wb Legolas |
| 02:11.47 | DTRemenak | how long is forever, just out of curioustiy |
| 02:11.51 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:12.03 | JeffM2501 | great minds man.. great minds... |
| 02:12.21 | Legolas | ive been with this callsign since 2001 |
| 02:12.30 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 02:12.34 | JeffM2501 | 4 years |
| 02:12.39 | Legolas | 3 |
| 02:12.43 | DTRemenak | 4 |
| 02:12.49 | Legolas | this year doesnt count |
| 02:12.50 | JeffM2501 | 18.4% of your life? |
| 02:12.56 | Legoguy | yeh; i had something like that happen with the exact same punctuation and wording, same thought, from me and another person before. kind of strange ;) |
| 02:13.20 | Legolas | yep |
| 02:13.56 | Legoguy | i've only been playing bzflag since... hmm, sometime last year |
| 02:14.00 | Legoguy | or was it 2 years ag |
| 02:14.01 | Legoguy | o |
| 02:14.05 | DTRemenak | heh, what I find really amusing is that we've had two legolases for at least two years, and probably three or more, and we've never noticed |
| 02:14.05 | Legoguy | bah :P |
| 02:14.33 | Legoguy | legoguy is somewhat less common because lotr is like teh big thing now days |
| 02:14.36 | JeffM2501 | well given the movies.. one can understand |
| 02:14.54 | Legolas | there is a legoatmsk to |
| 02:14.57 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 02:15.02 | Legoguy | i've seen him |
| 02:15.14 | Legoguy | had some... nice discussions i suppose you could say |
| 02:15.17 | brlcad | Legolas: you've either been confused with the other legolas many a time then, or you haven't played much, or you're fibben us |
| 02:15.22 | Legoguy | we didn't get along too well after a while :P |
| 02:15.30 | JeffM2501 | not that it maters |
| 02:15.34 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: con? |
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| 02:15.51 | JeffM2501 | well "poke into doing" didn't have the same ring |
| 02:16.04 | Legoguy | blast007_away: hey, another chicagoan; get ready for the ice storm lol |
| 02:16.06 | DTRemenak | ok, then right verb, and you're missing a word somewhere else |
| 02:16.19 | JeffM2501 | verb |
| 02:16.23 | JeffM2501 | it's the action world |
| 02:16.28 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 02:16.38 | JeffM2501 | teh Teevee teaches me! |
| 02:16.45 | DTRemenak | ok, I think I've figured it out. Did you want me to spellcheck something? |
| 02:17.07 | Legoguy | probably not |
| 02:17.08 | JeffM2501 | just did a weird stream of conciusness post on OC that's all |
| 02:17.11 | Aribeth | hummmm.....just scanning the logs for legolas and found some interesting things |
| 02:17.18 | Legolas | what? |
| 02:17.34 | brlcad | Aribeth: oh? |
| 02:17.38 | DTRemenak | Aribeth: are there more than two? |
| 02:17.44 | Legolas | i dunno |
| 02:18.05 | Legolas | so what logs did you find? |
| 02:18.06 | Legoguy | most likely |
| 02:18.12 | Legolas | bye |
| 02:18.19 | DTRemenak | I've only had one on 1.11, and I've got a feeling it's this one, since there's no token sent and all connects are from the same IP |
| 02:18.31 | brlcad | heh, that was a panic departure if I saw one |
| 02:18.34 | Legoguy | i was just about to ask him if he's the same one who's been playing on hepcat overlord |
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| 02:18.59 | DTRemenak | makes you a mite suspicious, doesn't it |
| 02:19.27 | Legoguy | brlcad: i dont think so, he's new to irc, he's done that before - say something and leave quickly after |
| 02:19.41 | Legoguy | i don't really want to defend him but give him a break ;) |
| 02:20.16 | Legoguy | heh |
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| 02:21.16 | Aribeth | DTRemenak, there seems that there might be...5-6 different ip's |
| 02:21.32 | Legoguy | isn't he on a dynamic isp tho |
| 02:21.39 | DTRemenak | Aribeth: from outside the 68./69. range? |
| 02:21.44 | DTRemenak | yeah, he's dynamic |
| 02:21.45 | Aribeth | yes |
| 02:22.04 | Legoguy | legolas is a popular name i guess |
| 02:22.08 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 02:22.10 | Aribeth | 69.xxx.xxx.xxx is prob dynamic |
| 02:22.22 | DTRemenak | 68.* also, same guy |
| 02:22.25 | Legoguy | is it comcast? |
| 02:22.58 | Aribeth | one from 62.xxx.xxx.xxx as well |
| 02:23.07 | Aribeth | and one from 200.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 02:23.15 | Legoguy | so at least 2 |
| 02:23.19 | DTRemenak | 200 is definately different |
| 02:23.20 | Legoguy | maybe 3 |
| 02:23.56 | DTRemenak | wow, JeffM2501 has no shortage of ideas at least... |
| 02:24.18 | JeffM2501 | it''s been building for a while |
| 02:24.35 | DTRemenak | Big O? |
| 02:24.52 | JeffM2501 | cast in the name of god.. ye not guilty |
| 02:25.00 | JeffM2501 | probbly be admin only |
| 02:25.05 | JeffM2501 | since it's 500ft tall |
| 02:25.14 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 02:26.30 | Legoguy | what's this about a big O |
| 02:26.32 | Aribeth | maybe 3 of them |
| 02:27.04 | Aribeth | all since October |
| 02:27.26 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to see it to belive it |
| 02:27.50 | Legoguy | heh |
| 02:27.59 | Legoguy | if only i knew what it was? |
| 02:28.08 | JeffM2501 | ohh you'll know when you see it |
| 02:28.23 | DTRemenak | ooh, crawling under tanks sounds like fin |
| 02:28.26 | DTRemenak | er, fun |
| 02:28.33 | DTRemenak | dang, you sure you want me editing this? ;) |
| 02:28.39 | JeffM2501 | naw it's ok |
| 02:28.46 | JeffM2501 | I'll clean it up in word |
| 02:28.50 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda messy |
| 02:28.54 | JeffM2501 | and nonsensical |
| 02:29.05 | DTRemenak | ok. want me to save my changes or not? |
| 02:29.17 | JeffM2501 | you have edit ability |
| 02:29.20 | JeffM2501 | change whatever you want |
| 02:29.22 | DTRemenak | yeah, I know |
| 02:29.39 | DTRemenak | I was wondering if you wanted me to submit it or not, but I just did |
| 02:29.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 02:30.00 | JeffM2501 | http://www.modelaid.com/review/kmecha/bigo/zimage/01.jpg <------- teh Big O |
| 02:30.05 | Legoguy | i have a flag idea... how about a thing similar to theif, but instead of stealing other team's flags, it allows one to extend the reach and pick up a targeted flag some distance in front of the tank |
| 02:30.30 | Legoguy | would be absolutely useless |
| 02:30.32 | Legoguy | but still :P |
| 02:30.39 | DTRemenak | personally, I've always thought TH should be able to grab flags off the ground from a distance too |
| 02:30.39 | Legoguy | better than useless flag |
| 02:30.45 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 02:30.54 | JeffM2501 | that would be the yoshi flag |
| 02:30.58 | shorty114 | lol |
| 02:31.00 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:31.01 | DTRemenak | looked into coding it and decided it would not be worth the time |
| 02:31.04 | Legoguy | i mean i find myself naturally trying to steal flags from the ground ;) |
| 02:31.14 | Legoguy | then I relaize the ground is bigger than me. |
| 02:31.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:31.37 | DTRemenak | but it WANTS you to take them :) |
| 02:31.45 | Legoguy | i know :P |
| 02:32.01 | Legoguy | well |
| 02:32.23 | DTRemenak | eww, bzadmin build just dumped like 10000 errors on me |
| 02:32.33 | shorty114 | that is a problem. |
| 02:32.36 | Legoguy | that depends on whether or not you mentally give the ground some sort of spirit |
| 02:32.38 | brlcad | thats a lot of errors |
| 02:32.52 | shorty114 | *exagerated |
| 02:32.58 | shorty114 | ~spell exagerated |
| 02:32.59 | ibot | possible spellings for exagerated: exaggerated exaggerates execrated exaggerate exonerated exaggeratedly excreted |
| 02:33.03 | shorty114 | >.< |
| 02:33.04 | DTRemenak | yeah, probably about an order of magnitude off |
| 02:33.16 | DTRemenak | maybe 500 errors |
| 02:33.30 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:33.39 | shorty114 | still a problem... |
| 02:33.45 | Legoguy | oh does bzadmin build without gl now? :P |
| 02:33.54 | shorty114 | ^.^ |
| 02:33.55 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 02:33.56 | shorty114 | it does? |
| 02:33.59 | shorty114 | awww |
| 02:34.03 | Legoguy | dam |
| 02:34.05 | shorty114 | :| |
| 02:34.07 | DTRemenak | patches welcome :) |
| 02:34.18 | shorty114 | if i knew how to do that, i would |
| 02:34.23 | Legoguy | same from me |
| 02:34.27 | shorty114 | might as well poke around... |
| 02:34.49 | DTRemenak | if I had the time I would... it's a major undertaking |
| 02:35.10 | shorty114 | who was registered on brad2901's old forums? |
| 02:35.16 | shorty114 | there's a new forum |
| 02:35.22 | shorty114 | http://brad2901.shorty114.net/forums/ |
| 02:35.33 | shorty114 | FYI |
| 02:35.51 | DTRemenak | eek, so that's why there are so many errors...I've got like 10 conflicts :) |
| 02:36.04 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:36.07 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:37.06 | DTRemenak | I wonder what I was working on |
| 02:37.55 | DTRemenak | prolly shouldn't have bothered backing it up, I'll never look at it. |
| 02:39.15 | Legoguy | HEH |
| 02:39.19 | Legoguy | woah |
| 02:39.22 | Legoguy | capslock |
| 02:39.25 | Legoguy | :-/ |
| 02:40.38 | Legoguy | anyway.. anyone ever thought about using svn instead of cvs? not that its something you should use, just curious |
| 02:41.15 | DTRemenak | SF does not offer svn yet. when it does, it would not surprise me at all if we move over |
| 02:41.23 | Legoguy | :D |
| 02:41.34 | Legoguy | doesn't berlios support svn? |
| 02:42.19 | DTRemenak | Legoguy: we are not prepared to relocate. |
| 02:42.24 | Legoguy | ah |
| 02:42.42 | DTRemenak | brlcad: but how many ranges? |
| 02:42.44 | Legoguy | but berlios has much less laggy anon cvs :P |
| 02:43.27 | brlcad | DTRemenak: looks like 8 on 255.255.0.0 |
| 02:43.39 | brlcad | 4 on 255.0.0.0 |
| 02:43.45 | Legoguy | but i see your point - you're all settled in now |
| 02:44.22 | DTRemenak | which 4? 68. and 69. are the same guy. might be others that are too. |
| 02:44.24 | Legoguy | brlcad: on what server is this log taken from |
| 02:46.36 | brlcad | quol's |
| 02:46.40 | DTRemenak | mingw+msys build works, btw |
| 02:46.45 | brlcad | woot |
| 02:48.16 | brlcad | 68, 69, 80, and 82 |
| 02:48.53 | brlcad | 1 82, 4 80, 2 69, and the rest are 68 |
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| 02:52.02 | Aribeth | i have 8 208, 1 62, 3 68, 3 69, 1 80 |
| 02:52.38 | Legoguy | brlcad: who's the guy on the forum most often from? |
| 02:53.06 | Legoguy | i mean |
| 02:53.19 | Legoguy | where is the guy on the forum most often from |
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| 02:53.49 | qbwwdp | hey com play bzflag with me on britsystems.com |
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| 02:55.40 | brlcad | and by two they arrived |
| 02:55.56 | shorty114 | three |
| 02:55.57 | shorty114 | now |
| 02:57.58 | JeffM2501 | huh? what? |
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| 03:29.25 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: sgk is coming |
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| 03:29.28 | SportChick | hehe |
| 03:29.30 | sgk284 | ping nidhoggr |
| 03:29.36 | SportChick | pong nidhoggr |
| 03:29.40 | Nidhoggr | oi |
| 03:29.43 | SportChick | if he doesn't answer, I'll call him |
| 03:29.44 | SportChick | nm |
| 03:29.46 | amathis | I *hate* system sounds |
| 03:29.55 | SportChick | I found him, Nid |
| 03:29.56 | SportChick | :) |
| 03:29.58 | amathis | it makes a friggin noise when xmms starts, and then xmms plays. |
| 03:30.00 | Nidhoggr | heh thanks |
| 03:30.01 | amathis | *cannot play |
| 03:30.09 | sgk284 | yey sporty:) |
| 03:30.12 | SportChick | the nerve of him, thinking he can just PLAY bzflag |
| 03:30.17 | sgk284 | haha |
| 03:30.26 | Nidhoggr | sgk... can you make your whitelist changes on the 1.11 code? |
| 03:30.36 | SportChick | sgk284: NOW |
| 03:30.42 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 03:30.54 | sgk284 | sure :) i thought 1.11 had whitelisting otherwise i would have done that already:) |
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| 03:31.08 | Nidhoggr | nope... it's not the same |
| 03:31.12 | Nidhoggr | and wouldn't work. |
| 03:31.18 | sgk284 | oh okay:) |
| 03:31.25 | SportChick | yay |
| 03:31.56 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, yea thats looking like a possibility |
| 03:31.57 | Nidhoggr | if you can make a patch we can submit it to incorporate into the main code. |
| 03:32.07 | DTRemenak | nononono, I don't touch that stuff :) |
| 03:32.13 | SportChick | heh |
| 03:32.14 | sgk284 | lol |
| 03:32.42 | sgk284 | hey i'll be right there to hunt you |
| 03:32.53 | DTRemenak | sgk284: have any more patches you want to get in before 2.0? now's the time... |
| 03:32.54 | SportChick | (...and I'll kick you if you follow me before completing your task0 |
| 03:33.29 | sgk284 | DTRemenak: just started a new semester so any patches i'm working on have slowed pace a bit :/ |
| 03:33.38 | sgk284 | so thats a no :) |
| 03:33.40 | DTRemenak | ok, I understand :) |
| 03:33.42 | sgk284 | maybe for 2.1 |
| 03:33.44 | sgk284 | :) |
| 03:33.52 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 03:34.37 | sgk284 | is there a release date yet? |
| 03:34.52 | DTRemenak | sgk284: yesterday? |
| 03:35.01 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:35.21 | DTRemenak | you laugh! |
| 03:35.32 | sgk284 | :) |
| 03:35.38 | DTRemenak | you smile! |
| 03:35.49 | DTRemenak | you do the jiggy-wiggy! |
| 03:35.52 | sgk284 | haha! |
| 03:35.58 | DTRemenak | ok, so maybe not... |
| 03:36.06 | sgk284 | this week you think? |
| 03:36.08 | Nidhoggr | I thought we were working on 1.12, not 2.0 |
| 03:36.15 | sgk284 | 1.12 == 2.0 |
| 03:36.23 | DTRemenak | sgk284: tonight if Tim shows up |
| 03:36.25 | Nidhoggr | since when? |
| 03:36.30 | sgk284 | for a bit |
| 03:36.34 | sgk284 | its gone back and forth |
| 03:36.38 | DTRemenak | Nidhoggr: It's been scheduled to go to 2.0 for a while |
| 03:36.52 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, soooo many new features its gotta be 2.0 |
| 03:36.56 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 03:37.04 | sgk284 | the .10 or 12 or whatever is meaningless anymore |
| 03:37.11 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 03:37.15 | DTRemenak | if we didn't bump it now we'd never be able to :) |
| 03:38.08 | DTRemenak | here he comes, to save the day! |
| 03:38.11 | DTRemenak | 'sup, trepan? |
| 03:38.28 | trepan | just came back from watching GITS2, somwhat disappointed |
| 03:38.44 | trepan | ths story of a man? and his dog |
| 03:38.50 | trepan | GhostInTheShell |
| 03:39.01 | DTRemenak | oh. never heard of it. |
| 03:39.11 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: have you decided what map to use on 2.0? |
| 03:39.26 | Nidhoggr | for the test stuff, it'll be razzberry's world. |
| 03:39.49 | Nidhoggr | 2.0 release should be main spiralszone map. |
| 03:40.08 | sgk284 | you kicked me! |
| 03:40.10 | sgk284 | lol |
| 03:40.12 | SportChick | I kicked sgk off sp so he'd do the work |
| 03:40.12 | sgk284 | :) |
| 03:40.15 | SportChick | I TOLD you I would |
| 03:40.18 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 03:40.25 | SportChick | you can't say you weren't warned |
| 03:40.29 | sgk284 | haha |
| 03:40.32 | sgk284 | true |
| 03:41.05 | sgk284 | i was playing on a real creative map yesterday that had Olympic in the title, its randomly generated by a python script and its like a 4 level obstacle course |
| 03:41.06 | brlcad | ooh, gits2 is out?! |
| 03:41.25 | sgk284 | SportChick, have to wait for a code freeze:) |
| 03:41.29 | sgk284 | so go find Tim |
| 03:41.33 | sgk284 | :) |
| 03:41.33 | Nidhoggr | have you seen the gits series? it's really kinda nice. |
| 03:43.02 | SportChick | heyyyy |
| 03:43.04 | sgk284 | lol |
| 03:43.07 | SportChick | HE kicked ME |
| 03:43.11 | Nidhoggr | hahahahaha |
| 03:43.12 | SportChick | don't MAKE me put a temp ban on you |
| 03:43.14 | sgk284 | who me? |
| 03:43.19 | sgk284 | i would never kick you |
| 03:43.27 | sgk284 | :) |
| 03:43.42 | SportChick | ah, but you did - even with a query whether a little peon ops guy can kick a full admin! :) |
| 03:45.11 | Nidhoggr | poor JeffM2501 |
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| 03:57.05 | trepan | anyone know if 'std::ifstream' on windows will do the dir. separator conversions? |
| 03:59.05 | JeffM2501 | windows is "suposed" to take ether / or \ |
| 03:59.19 | JeffM2501 | OSFile will do it all for you tho |
| 03:59.23 | trepan | all the way back to 3.1 and 95? |
| 03:59.33 | JeffM2501 | the NT based ones are |
| 03:59.41 | JeffM2501 | that's why I say use OSFile |
| 03:59.46 | trepan | i have ifstream to work with, not OSFile |
| 03:59.50 | JeffM2501 | just give it a stream opperator |
| 04:00.00 | JeffM2501 | so put in OSFile :) |
| 04:00.03 | DTRemenak | trepan: 3.1? dunno. 9x yes |
| 04:00.33 | DTRemenak | or it might depend on the msvc version |
| 04:00.45 | DTRemenak | NT does the conversions internally |
| 04:04.32 | trepan | thx |
| 04:08.50 | trepan | one of you is off-key... |
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| 04:16.55 | PrezKennedy | if only the world were black and white... our eyes would be so much better off |
| 04:23.15 | MeBigFatGuy | i know i get headaches from edge detecting with all them colors |
| 04:35.24 | PrezKennedy | ban color! |
| 04:37.23 | Legoguy | so how bout an update of the topic; obviously jan 9th is past and brought no release with it |
| 04:37.46 | PrezKennedy | set it to jan 10th! |
| 04:37.48 | orange | it says maybe not :-) |
| 04:37.52 | Legoguy | lol |
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| 04:38.30 | brlcad | any apache2 experts around? |
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| 04:38.50 | brlcad | virtual hosting in particular |
| 04:39.30 | PrezKennedy | uh oh that doesnt sound good... |
| 04:39.48 | orange | dunno about experts, brlcad ... I recently switched to apache2 |
| 04:40.11 | Nidhoggr | what problems you having brlcad? |
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| 04:42.50 | brlcad | I've got several virtualhosts set up |
| 04:43.03 | Nidhoggr | nod |
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| 04:43.30 | brlcad | following the docs, they are all supposed to get picked up via the ServerName and ServerAlias |
| 04:43.40 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 04:43.44 | brlcad | <VirtualHost *:80> on all of them |
| 04:43.48 | brlcad | (cept one) |
| 04:43.49 | Nidhoggr | ok |
| 04:44.03 | brlcad | and the names inside ala |
| 04:44.04 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.04 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.07 | brlcad | for example |
| 04:44.54 | brlcad | one of those continues to give me the wrong webroot |
| 04:45.49 | orange | do you have a NameVirtualHost line? |
| 04:45.55 | Nidhoggr | hm. what happens if you move that virtualhost entry to a different place in the order of your vhosts? |
| 04:46.14 | Nidhoggr | yeah, also need NameVirtualHost line. |
| 04:46.29 | orange | and I've never used the *:80 form... I always put: |
| 04:46.38 | Nidhoggr | I always use the actual IP. |
| 04:46.38 | orange | <VirtualHost 1.2.3.4> |
| 04:46.41 | brlcad | NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 04:46.45 | Nidhoggr | aaah |
| 04:47.06 | brlcad | aah? :) |
| 04:47.07 | orange | I'd put "NameVirtualHost 1.2.3.4" |
| 04:47.47 | orange | and use the real IP's |
| 04:47.47 | orange | IP |
| 04:47.47 | orange | and see if that helps |
| 04:47.47 | Nidhoggr | I always use NameVirtualHost 1.2.3.4 then follow it with all the vhosts with the ones with that ip. |
| 04:47.47 | brlcad | I've got multiple IPs to respond to |
| 04:47.47 | orange | for the same site? |
| 04:47.47 | brlcad | no, some are one ip, some are another |
| 04:47.47 | Nidhoggr | do they all look up differently to all the IPs at once? |
| 04:47.50 | orange | put one NameVirtualHost for each IP |
| 04:47.51 | Nidhoggr | yeah, I'd break them down. |
| 04:47.58 | orange | then in each virtualhost setup use the right IP |
| 04:48.01 | brlcad | list then all together? |
| 04:48.11 | orange | yeah, all the NameVirtualHost lines can be together |
| 04:48.19 | brlcad | the includes are all included as Include etc/apache2/Includes/*.conf |
| 04:48.32 | orange | yeah, that's basically how I do it too... very nice |
| 04:48.48 | orange | save copies of the old configs :-) |
| 04:57.41 | JeffM2501 | ohh that would be oh so nice |
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| 05:02.04 | SportChick | hey quol |
| 05:02.10 | Quol | hey SportChick |
| 05:02.12 | Quol | what's up |
| 05:02.19 | SportChick | nada |
| 05:02.27 | SportChick | you? |
| 05:02.53 | Quol | not much, just got back from music practice, and so i am "unwinding" now :) |
| 05:02.57 | SportChick | cool |
| 05:02.59 | SportChick | decks? |
| 05:03.06 | Quol | sure :) |
| 05:03.09 | Quol | now? |
| 05:03.58 | SportChick | I'm there waiting |
| 05:04.18 | Quol | ok... |
| 05:04.37 | brlcad | durn, almost Quol.. |
| 05:04.45 | Quol | ? |
| 05:05.15 | brlcad | made all the changes, and it's still behaving the same |
| 05:05.22 | brlcad | care to take a peek? :) |
| 05:05.31 | SportChick | quol - gonna try and scare up a few from sp |
| 05:05.48 | Nidhoggr | if you post your config and send me URL, I'll see if I see anything weird. |
| 05:06.25 | brlcad | ack, I meant Nidhoggr .. not Quol hehe sry for the confusion :) |
| 05:06.51 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:07.15 | SportChick | I'm there now, quol |
| 05:07.21 | SportChick | wnet to get a few more |
| 05:07.23 | Quol | ok - coming... |
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| 05:21.08 | brlcad | ~Nidhoggr++ |
| 05:21.13 | brlcad | ~Nidhoggr++ |
| 05:21.18 | Nidhoggr | figure it out? :) |
| 05:21.31 | brlcad | would help to name the file .conf |
| 05:21.42 | Nidhoggr | hahahahaha |
| 05:21.45 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:21.55 | brlcad | thanks :) |
| 05:21.59 | Nidhoggr | no problem :) |
| 05:22.09 | Nidhoggr | happy when I can help the geniuses. :) |
| 05:22.16 | brlcad | pfft |
| 05:22.33 | Nidhoggr | then again, I do vhosting in my sleep. |
| 05:22.34 | brlcad | that helped :) works |
| 05:22.39 | Nidhoggr | hray! |
| 05:23.43 | Nidhoggr | waiting for my green tea to steep/cool. |
| 05:23.59 | brlcad | now if I could just figure out why apache always crashes on shutdown |
| 05:25.10 | brlcad | bash-2.05b$ sudo apachectl graceful |
| 05:25.11 | brlcad | Jan 11 00:24:39 bz kernel: pid 10017 (httpd), uid 0: exited on signal 6 (core dumped) |
| 05:27.32 | Nidhoggr | that's not good. :) |
| 05:27.40 | Nidhoggr | strace -p while it's running? |
| 05:28.21 | Nidhoggr | then graeful it. |
| 05:28.26 | Nidhoggr | err graceful |
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| 05:40.36 | Legoguy|Laptop | !weather 60031 |
| 05:40.38 | guu | Legoguy|Laptop: The current temperature in Gurnee, Illinois is 31°F (10:55 PM CST on January 10, 2005). Conditions: Snow Showers Freezing Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 31°F. Pressure: 30.14 in (1021 hPa). Visibility: 0.5 miles (0.8 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 05:40.57 | Legoguy|Laptop | yep. we got another few inches of snow coming down right now |
| 05:41.04 | Legoguy|Laptop | we had 14 last week :-/ |
| 05:41.13 | Nidhoggr | we're supposed to get more rain tomorrow. |
| 05:41.20 | Nidhoggr | ~weather kphx |
| 05:41.44 | Legoguy|Laptop | ~weather kugn |
| 05:42.24 | Legoguy|Laptop | hmm |
| 05:42.33 | Legoguy|Laptop | doesn't say it's snowing in that report |
| 05:42.35 | JeffM2501 | guu weather 93021 |
| 05:42.35 | Legoguy|Laptop | oh well |
| 05:42.37 | guu | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Moorpark, California is 54°F (9:37 PM PST on January 10, 2005). Conditions: Heavy Rain Mist. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 54°F. UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 05:42.40 | JBdiGriz | I guess the topic is out of date |
| 05:42.55 | JBdiGriz | and everyone is discussing the weather |
| 05:43.03 | Legoguy|Laptop | :P |
| 05:43.26 | JeffM2501 | it's hard |
| 05:43.29 | JeffM2501 | and hurts my brain |
| 05:44.00 | JBdiGriz | Here's an interesting query for you. There's no phone service in my neighborhood, but my DSL service is up. |
| 05:44.18 | Nidhoggr | that's kinda special. |
| 05:44.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 05:44.34 | Nidhoggr | if you had vonage, you'd be chattin on the phone! |
| 05:44.36 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:44.41 | JeffM2501 | that means the CO analog link is down but it's DS3s to the ISP are fine |
| 05:45.19 | JBdiGriz | A very curious state of affairs if you ask me. Usually the digital link would be killed before the analog link. |
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| 05:45.40 | JeffM2501 | probably depends on what got run over by the truck :) |
| 05:46.14 | Nidhoggr | if the phone lines are riding on a specific ds3 that is different than the local internet stuff, then it's just a matter of which ds3 failed. |
| 05:46.32 | JBdiGriz | I was thinking it was the rainstorms that took something out. I can't believe the truck would have only hit the digital lines. |
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| 06:09.36 | jpa- | morning |
| 06:11.48 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: junker and ldk are barely managing to stay above water - the river by their house is up 40+ feet |
| 06:19.10 | Nidhoggr | oh, my. that's not good. |
| 06:19.28 | Nidhoggr | definitely keep them in my prayers |
| 06:19.51 | jpa- | better send them extra wings-flag :) |
| 06:20.01 | Nidhoggr | that might help :) |
| 06:23.48 | SportChick | hehe |
| 06:23.54 | SportChick | Nid, come play decks |
| 06:24.47 | Nidhoggr | it's 11:24. I have to finish up, do my mediation and prayers and sleep. |
| 06:24.48 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 06:25.11 | JBdiGriz | Mediation? Is someone having a problem? |
| 06:25.15 | Nidhoggr | meditation |
| 06:25.16 | Nidhoggr | sorry |
| 06:25.17 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 06:25.20 | JBdiGriz | Perhaps it's medication? |
| 06:25.34 | Nidhoggr | no medication, thankfully. :) |
| 06:25.36 | JBdiGriz | :) |
| 06:26.08 | SportChick | nsigh |
| 06:26.10 | Nidhoggr | friend of mine is a retired abbot. just found out he found a nice hermitage to live in. |
| 06:26.10 | jpa- | or less thankfully |
| 06:26.11 | SportChick | sigh, even |
| 06:26.17 | SportChick | Nid NEVER plays anymore |
| 06:26.20 | JBdiGriz | hmm n disease |
| 06:26.24 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 06:26.36 | SportChick | oh1 I forgot to tell you! hoon broke his shoulder and is having surgery tomorrow |
| 06:26.44 | Nidhoggr | oh, no! |
| 06:27.04 | SportChick | yep |
| 06:27.48 | jpa- | he must have broken it badly if it needs surgery |
| 06:27.59 | Nidhoggr | definitely. |
| 06:28.31 | jpa- | afaik they usually put just weights hanging from it for few hours and it goes back into it's place |
| 06:28.51 | Nidhoggr | might have torn something. |
| 06:29.05 | Nidhoggr | easy to tear the cardoid process (or whatever you call it) |
| 06:30.12 | jpa- | ~dict cardoid |
| 06:30.24 | jpa- | ~dict torn |
| 06:30.28 | SportChick | ~dict cartoid |
| 06:31.21 | SportChick | ~weather Klax |
| 06:31.58 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 06:32.05 | guu | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California is 61°F (7:59 PM PST on January 10, 2005). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 61°F. Wind: SSW at 9 mph (15 km/h). Pressure: 29.95 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 3.0 miles (4.8 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 06:32.11 | brlcad | ~dict cardioid |
| 06:32.21 | jpa- | eww |
| 06:33.05 | Nidhoggr | that's the one. |
| 06:33.18 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 06:34.28 | Nidhoggr | aaah. it's called a coracoid process... also known as a "crow's beak" |
| 06:34.55 | jpa- | ~dict crow |
| 06:35.24 | jpa- | ok, i don't even try to understand :) |
| 06:35.46 | jpa- | black bird must be what it is, languages don't have beaks :) |
| 06:36.01 | Nidhoggr | ~dict coracoid |
| 06:36.09 | Nidhoggr | not surprising. |
| 06:36.47 | Nidhoggr | okay... I'm off to end-of-day activities. nite all. |
| 06:37.23 | jpa- | night |
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| 06:54.38 | jpa- | hello tupone :) |
| 06:54.45 | Tupone | hi |
| 06:57.42 | jpa- | you once complained my map was slow |
| 06:58.01 | jpa- | i reduced number of divisions yesterday, you could see if it is any better |
| 07:02.18 | Tupone | well, gone from 25 to 70 FPS :) |
| 07:03.00 | jpa- | :) |
| 07:04.02 | jpa- | so i think having them look little worse with 32 divisions (against 64) is bearable :) |
| 07:05.56 | jpa- | while some actually went from 200 -> 20 (the river) :) |
| 07:06.38 | creeperz | SilverFox: squirrel is better |
| 07:07.08 | jpa- | squirrels are cute |
| 07:07.13 | jpa- | they should not be eaten |
| 07:07.15 | creeperz | yeah |
| 07:07.20 | creeperz | specially with BBQ sauce |
| 07:07.25 | creeperz | i mean... |
| 07:07.49 | jpa- | no, they are more cute without sauce :) |
| 07:08.46 | jpa- | did that make me any cuter? |
| 07:08.52 | creeperz | no |
| 07:08.55 | creeperz | but tastier! |
| 07:09.55 | creeperz | jpa-: new school pokemon or old? |
| 07:10.04 | jpa- | old |
| 07:10.06 | creeperz | cuz the new ones suck |
| 07:10.09 | jpa- | yes |
| 07:10.11 | creeperz | good |
| 07:10.29 | jpa- | but anything until mewtwo is ok :) |
| 07:10.29 | creeperz | now they have stupid names i cant even pronounce |
| 07:10.41 | creeperz | what ever happened to "Bulbasaur?" |
| 07:10.50 | creeperz | now its "Heyieototokonompoop" |
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| 07:10.58 | creeperz | mm hmm |
| 07:10.58 | jpa- | while i do have phanpy and lapras as my computers |
| 07:11.12 | wegstar | !weather 94030 |
| 07:11.12 | creeperz | who? |
| 07:11.14 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in Millbrae, California is 52°F (10:56 PM PST on January 10, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 43°F. Pressure: 29.75 in (1007 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 07:11.14 | creeperz | oh |
| 07:11.17 | creeperz | lapras :-) |
| 07:11.24 | creeperz | lapras = good |
| 07:11.37 | wegstar | !asdf |
| 07:11.38 | guu | wegstar: WTF? |
| 07:11.43 | wegstar | eek |
| 07:11.46 | creeperz | :-) |
| 07:12.00 | wegstar | !dndfk |
| 07:12.01 | guu | wegstar: Don't worry, I'm sure you'll figure it out someday. |
| 07:12.02 | jpa- | my dad however didn't let me name his computer after a pokemon |
| 07:12.13 | creeperz | lol |
| 07:12.29 | wegstar | heh |
| 07:12.35 | jpa- | so now my network has this embarrassing "hpxe3" |
| 07:12.51 | creeperz | :-P |
| 07:13.26 | creeperz | Noodleman names his after stars, IIRC |
| 07:13.58 | Quol | g'night all |
| 07:14.07 | creeperz | wegstar: i feel the same about java |
| 07:14.07 | jpa- | it is morning, not night |
| 07:14.16 | jpa- | wegstar: try brainfuck |
| 07:14.26 | wegstar | you mean mindfuck |
| 07:14.36 | jpa- | do i? |
| 07:14.45 | jpa- | i remembered it was brainfuck |
| 07:14.46 | wegstar | are you talking about a website? |
| 07:14.55 | jpa- | no, a programming language |
| 07:14.59 | wegstar | ...oh |
| 07:15.01 | wegstar | heh |
| 07:15.56 | jpa- | >+++++>-->+/ etc :) |
| 07:16.02 | wegstar | Is it "official", in other words, is it well known around the world, so I can easily get support? |
| 07:16.21 | jpa- | support? it is so easy that no-one needs support |
| 07:16.26 | jpa- | >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.[-]>++++++++[<++++>-] |
| 07:16.32 | wegstar | col...:-J |
| 07:16.36 | wegstar | cool8 |
| 07:16.39 | jpa- | beginning of helloworld :) |
| 07:16.42 | wegstar | damn finger |
| 07:16.50 | creeperz | lol |
| 07:16.57 | wegstar | too much bzflag, that is... |
| 07:17.09 | jpa- | or too little |
| 07:17.11 | creeperz | nThis means too much BZFlag <<- |
| 07:17.29 | wegstar | oh...the "n syndrome" |
| 07:17.34 | creeperz | mm hmm |
| 07:17.38 | jpa- | i have that with bzadmin |
| 07:17.43 | creeperz | or 180 jump-spin syndrome |
| 07:17.45 | jpa- | and sometimes irc :) |
| 07:17.56 | wegstar | ah |
| 07:17.58 | jpa- | center the mouse after pressing tab -syndrome |
| 07:18.08 | creeperz | or the impulse to clikc whenever i see someone dresses in green |
| 07:18.33 | creeperz | hey, in CVS, there is no binoculars? |
| 07:18.51 | jpa- | or trying to move with mouse when i see a screenshot of bzflag |
| 07:18.59 | jpa- | creeperz: there is, but key is bind |
| 07:19.04 | jpa- | +not |
| 07:19.11 | creeperz | ah |
| 07:19.15 | creeperz | alright |
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| 07:20.06 | wegstar | Perl does take long to uninstall X-S |
| 07:20.20 | jpa- | noo |
| 07:20.25 | jpa- | don't uninstall it :) |
| 07:20.36 | jpa- | you can still use premade scripts :) |
| 07:20.37 | wegstar | YES I MUST LOL |
| 07:20.52 | wegstar | ooops |
| 07:20.56 | creeperz | man, this download is pickin up |
| 07:20.56 | wegstar | srry :) |
| 07:21.14 | creeperz | in a hella hurry |
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| 07:21.38 | wegstar | gotta get some sleep... cya all |
| 07:21.45 | creeperz | peace |
| 07:21.45 | jpa- | eww, now i'm feeling bad |
| 07:21.50 | wegstar | heh |
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| 07:22.08 | creeperz | jpa-: dude wearing a yellow shirt decided to grab a Genocide flag? |
| 07:22.09 | jpa- | the person almost-next-to-me is playing some evil game that makes penguins bleed |
| 07:22.15 | creeperz | kill your best friend? |
| 07:22.20 | creeperz | lol |
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| 07:22.34 | jpa- | yetisports with blood :S |
| 07:22.35 | creeperz | are you a giant yeti and you hit them with a club? |
| 07:22.40 | jpa- | not me |
| 07:22.40 | creeperz | mm hmm |
| 07:22.41 | jpa- | he is |
| 07:22.51 | jpa- | it is ok |
| 07:23.02 | jpa- | but that version has bleeding penguins |
| 07:23.19 | creeperz | mm hmm |
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| 07:23.26 | creeperz | and land mines ^_^ |
| 07:23.37 | jpa- | yes :( |
| 07:23.40 | jpa- | poor penguins |
| 07:23.52 | creeperz | poor yeti |
| 07:24.01 | creeperz | arms must be getting tired by now |
| 07:24.02 | jpa- | maybe i should DoS his computer and save the penguins :) |
| 07:24.20 | creeperz | jpa-: hmm |
| 07:24.27 | creeperz | i suggest an aluminum bat |
| 07:24.39 | jpa- | i don't have one |
| 07:24.49 | creeperz | wooden one works as well |
| 07:24.50 | creeperz | no biggie |
| 07:24.53 | jpa- | while that would be one hell of a DoS |
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| 07:25.09 | creeperz | jpa-: grab your boom-stick :-D |
| 07:25.22 | jpa- | ~dict boom-stick |
| 07:25.38 | jpa- | sorry, i don't understand :) |
| 07:25.45 | creeperz | shotgun |
| 07:25.49 | creeperz | its from a movie |
| 07:25.57 | creeperz | Army of Darkness |
| 07:26.01 | creeperz | really funny movie |
| 07:26.01 | jpa- | oh |
| 07:26.09 | jpa- | but i don't have one of those either |
| 07:26.18 | creeperz | crap |
| 07:26.34 | jpa- | all that i have locally is edit and net send, and that is enough :) |
| 07:26.37 | creeperz | jpa-: use your "head" |
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| 07:26.39 | creeperz | :-) |
| 07:26.42 | jpa- | :start |
| 07:26.48 | jpa- | net send \\computer lol |
| 07:26.52 | jpa- | goto start |
| 07:27.21 | jpa- | all i would need to know is his ip/computer name |
| 07:27.49 | jpa- | so i would need sniffer and grab mash-the-penguin packets |
| 07:29.04 | DTRemenak | Hey anybody (but learner especially), are we releasing tonight or not? |
| 07:33.29 | jpa- | cat /dev/zero|grep 1 and release it when you get output |
| 07:34.02 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
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| 07:54.31 | DTRemenak | ~bzfrag JeffM2501 |
| 07:54.34 | ibot | ACTION squishes JeffM2501 with a steamroller |
| 07:54.55 | DTRemenak | "You cannot make another post so soon after your last; please try again in a short while." |
| 07:55.00 | DTRemenak | It's mocking me, I swear |
| 07:56.01 | trepan | saving you from yourself, no doubt |
| 07:58.16 | noyb | ok, a little trouble here with the start server menu... got cvs today, built it, ran it. macosx 10.3.7 |
| 07:58.53 | noyb | no matter what map/world I select, I get a random map when the server starts. it was working with a build from a few days ago. |
| 07:59.10 | brlcad | noyb: start server only tries to run bzfs from PATH.. which is useless for mac's using the Start Server menu |
| 08:00.04 | noyb | is that a change? |
| 08:00.18 | noyb | from a few days ago... |
| 08:01.16 | noyb | I haven't changed my path in the past few days, only built new bzfs and bzflag and plopped them into the .app |
| 08:02.11 | brlcad | noyb: perhaps try "killall bzfs" on the command line |
| 08:02.20 | brlcad | probably can't start another server while one is already running |
| 08:03.07 | noyb | I did 'leave game' doesn't that kill the current server? |
| 08:04.21 | brlcad | noyb: do a "ps aux|grep bzfs" to be sure |
| 08:04.50 | noyb | beat you to it... |
| 08:05.43 | noyb | I thought that quitting the game or leave game should kill the server... |
| 08:06.30 | DTRemenak | Anyone using windows binaries who wants to try one last build before the release: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2622 |
| 08:08.05 | noyb | so is that a feature request, that the server should be killed if the client quits? |
| 08:09.28 | brlcad | DTRemenak: ahh, but you forget Rebel Chikorita ;) |
| 08:09.34 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 08:10.10 | brlcad | noyb: of sorts.. the start server menu could use a lot of work probably |
| 08:11.25 | DTRemenak | brlcad: so tomorrow? :) |
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| 08:11.50 | noyb | what is the timeframe for issue reporting? an hour? 24 hours? |
| 08:12.02 | DTRemenak | timeframe? |
| 08:12.56 | noyb | yes, "If there are no issues reported with this build, the 2.0..." from the url |
| 08:13.12 | DTRemenak | right up until we tag the 2.0 branch in cvs |
| 08:13.51 | noyb | is that an hour or a day or more? |
| 08:13.57 | DTRemenak | 15 hours at a minimum, 'cause I have classes until 3 PM PST tomorrow |
| 08:14.10 | noyb | ok, whew... thanks |
| 08:14.30 | DTRemenak | Potentially, um, a week or so...depending on when everyone has time and gets together |
| 08:14.42 | DTRemenak | I sure hope tomorrow sometime though |
| 08:15.01 | noyb | it's good and common practice to have rc builds now'days |
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| 09:12.21 | mmu_man | whatever, just don't break the beos build :D |
| 09:14.30 | brlcad | heh, nah that's safe |
| 09:15.00 | brlcad | GM should be tested though, to make sure it still works (and is disabled in very close combat) |
| 09:16.05 | brlcad | the change is very simple, though -- easy to revert if needed |
| 09:17.56 | brlcad | DTRemenak: yeah.. tomorrow :) |
| 09:18.22 | brlcad | DTRemenak: sorry about the delay .. got caught up last minute for several hours |
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| 09:44.42 | Chestal | gmActivationTime? |
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| 10:08.50 | |zongo| | Chestal: is it possible to have a /pausecountdown and /resumecountdown command on match servers? |
| 10:09.03 | |zongo| | it would be very helpful |
| 10:10.43 | Chestal | should be possible to do, not sure if it's very simple, though |
| 10:10.52 | Chestal | I don't want to add something like that at this point |
| 10:11.43 | |zongo| | k |
| 10:12.01 | Chestal | and (well-tested) patches welcome :-) |
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| 10:12.22 | |zongo| | if only i could do it...:/ |
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| 10:59.13 | |zongo| | Chestal: is /countdown command only a server command or? |
| 11:00.40 | Chestal | yes, the question is how the countdown is handled between server and client in general |
| 11:00.49 | Chestal | might be easy to pause it, or it might not |
| 11:04.05 | |zongo| | k thx, i dont wanna bother with this thing before release, sry :O |
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| 11:16.25 | cods_away | hmmm, math question.. Can two consecutive 'spin' transform be merged into one ? |
| 11:18.06 | cods | I'm sure it's possible, but that don't appear to be obvious to me. |
| 11:19.25 | cods | I'm asking that, because I think it could be possible to "optimize" transformation stack in bzflag object before doing the transformations (to get both faster computation, and eventually better precision) |
| 11:20.26 | cods | 'spin' keyword in bzflag |
| 11:20.31 | cods | rotating around an axis |
| 11:21.16 | cods | in fact, it's obvious that the answer is yes now. |
| 11:21.25 | |zongo| | indeed |
| 11:21.42 | |zongo| | u have several different axes too? |
| 11:21.46 | purple_cow | ahh, spin is new |
| 11:22.02 | purple_cow | yes, those can be combined, you just multiply matrices |
| 11:22.07 | |zongo| | sure |
| 11:22.13 | |zongo| | i wanted to say it |
| 11:22.19 | cods | no, i'm talking about matrices here |
| 11:22.31 | cods | just about the transformations description itself. |
| 11:22.33 | cods | hmm |
| 11:22.33 | |zongo| | 3x3 matrixes i think |
| 11:22.39 | cods | 4x4 |
| 11:22.48 | |zongo| | why 4x4? |
| 11:22.49 | purple_cow | cods: you can get a new description by converting to matrix notation and back |
| 11:23.03 | purple_cow | however, it's not really all that important |
| 11:23.31 | purple_cow | transforms are extremely fast operations and don't require very much precision |
| 11:24.16 | cods | yes.. what I'm missed (i'm bad) is that bzflag build first the resulting matrix from the various transformation, then apply it to the object. |
| 11:24.41 | cods | I was wondering because in my current script to generate map, I end with lot of transform. |
| 11:25.44 | purple_cow | optimization has to be done carefully and with a lot of data and analysis. it's silly to optimize things just because there might be a faster way (which usually is also less intuitive) -unless- it's a real bottleneck |
| 11:26.18 | cods | of course |
| 11:27.38 | cods | these questions are more to know bzflag internal than really wanting to change anything atm |
| 11:29.36 | Chestal | OTOH, it often happens that there is no single bottleneck, but lots of small inefficiencies just add up, best to avoid them, in particular when it can be done without obfuscating the code |
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| 11:29.54 | Chestal | quite often there is a way which is faster _and_ clearer |
| 11:30.22 | purple_cow | Chestal: true. however, that's not usually the case, especially in something like bzflag |
| 11:31.11 | purple_cow | in any case, if one is setting out to optimize, it makes more sense to fix the larger small inefficiences first, no? :) |
| 11:31.37 | Chestal | if you can easily track them down |
| 11:32.21 | purple_cow | not difficult with the right tools |
| 11:33.07 | Chestal | well, a tool might show you that lot of time is spent in some function f() which is called very often |
| 11:33.27 | Chestal | so, you can either optimize this cuntion or call it less often |
| 11:34.04 | Chestal | the first approach can rarely be taken in my experience because it's typically a library function anyway |
| 11:34.23 | Chestal | in the cases I have seen lately, there was no fix but to rewrite lots of stuff |
| 11:34.30 | Chestal | peopel jsut chose the wrong data structures fdor the job |
| 11:34.42 | Chestal | Java people I know tend to put everything into the convenient hash maps |
| 11:34.50 | Chestal | this can become very sloooow |
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| 13:20.28 | brlcad | Chestal: what's the main difference between getTick vs. getCurrent? |
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| 13:23.33 | Chestal | brlcad: getCurrent returns current time, based on system time |
| 13:23.42 | Chestal | brlcad: the tick time is set once for each frame |
| 13:24.17 | Chestal | brlcad: for the GM, it wouldn't really make a big difference, although using tick time is slightly more correct. And it's faster, too, because it jsut returns a value |
| 13:24.48 | Chestal | except for time measurements, I think the client should always use getTick |
| 13:24.50 | brlcad | and those actually aggregate to seconds? |
| 13:25.05 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 13:25.44 | brlcad | gettick - starttime |
| 13:25.57 | brlcad | > some_elapsed_#_seconds |
| 13:26.25 | brlcad | seems like that changes that from #_seconds to something else? |
| 13:26.29 | Chestal | startTime(TimeKeeper::getTick()) in ShotPath |
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| 13:27.00 | Chestal | getTick()==getCurrent() jsut after setTick() has been called, which is just before or after the drawing I assume |
| 13:27.01 | brlcad | hmm |
| 13:27.18 | Chestal | it's just a defined point of time |
| 13:27.25 | Chestal | so each frame gets assigned a ticktime |
| 13:27.37 | brlcad | ahh, so basically trading off a hint of resolution |
| 13:27.39 | brlcad | for performance |
| 13:27.44 | Chestal | and all of the stuff (dead reckoning etc.) is based on that time |
| 13:27.47 | Chestal | no |
| 13:27.59 | Chestal | sometimes it's important that it refers to the same time |
| 13:28.16 | Chestal | the "real time" is discretized |
| 13:28.34 | Chestal | after each frame, there's a snapshoft of the world state |
| 13:28.48 | Chestal | using real time instead would usually only yield very minor differences |
| 13:28.49 | brlcad | right, I think i follow.. that's the resolution i meant |
| 13:28.55 | Chestal | unless your computer is very slow or something |
| 13:28.58 | brlcad | resolution==discretization |
| 13:29.09 | Chestal | but it would introduce some inaccuracies |
| 13:29.26 | Chestal | for the GM, its position is the position at tick time, not current time |
| 13:30.12 | Chestal | given the normal speed of GM and your usualcomputer, the difference would be so small, that noone would notice, though |
| 13:30.28 | Chestal | what exaclt is the idea behind that activation time? Make GM useless in close combat? |
| 13:31.10 | brlcad | yes that as well as helping to alleviate the self-shooting |
| 13:31.54 | brlcad | needs testing, but the idea to make that time even greater was proposed earlier |
| 13:31.55 | Chestal | ah, hmm, I wonder if it could be confusing that you shoot someone from close with GM and he doesn't explode? |
| 13:32.09 | Chestal | I persoanlly was never abletoshoot myself with GM |
| 13:32.27 | |zongo| | i did :) |
| 13:32.33 | brlcad | If I make a high-speed map, I can reproduce it |
| 13:32.47 | Chestal | do you have to do something special, like shoot, then move forward? |
| 13:32.50 | brlcad | and I think maybe once I've had it happen on a "default" map |
| 13:32.53 | |zongo| | no |
| 13:33.04 | |zongo| | it was on trepan's checkers map |
| 13:33.06 | brlcad | Chestal: in my case, yes.. exactly |
| 13:33.48 | |zongo| | i think i was stuck between two chess cases... |
| 13:34.56 | Chestal | hmm, I thought there was already code which made you invulneerarable to own GMs durign the first 0.1s or so? |
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| 13:37.26 | Chestal | ah, I see, it's just a variable now and doesn't hit any tank, hmm |
| 13:38.58 | brlcad | it was alread set to first .5 |
| 13:39.08 | brlcad | don't remember when that was increased |
| 13:39.11 | Chestal | theoretically, the getCurrentTime could have made the check not work, but only if a lot of tiem passed since setTick to the check |
| 13:42.10 | brlcad | the main difference now is that you basically won't be able to kill anything that couldn't kill you (tanks driving right in front/through you) |
| 13:42.35 | brlcad | need to test to see if a higher value might also work and then if perhaps some notification is needed |
| 13:42.39 | Chestal | GM has normal shotspeed,so 100? |
| 13:43.17 | Chestal | 0.5s would then be 50m, a tank has length of 6m |
| 13:43.38 | Chestal | seems like quite a lot |
| 13:43.46 | brlcad | yeah, so it should be a few tank lengths |
| 13:44.00 | Chestal | for peopel with low fps, getCurrentTime() could have been the problem, the more I think about it, the more I believe it is |
| 13:44.27 | Chestal | with 0.5s, that is a bit unlikely though |
| 13:44.28 | brlcad | well glad you fixed that :) |
| 13:44.42 | Chestal | with 0.1s, it could happen |
| 13:45.51 | Chestal | brlcad: what's your final opinion about handicap factors? Only downside to makign them vars is that we get even more of them, there are already so many now |
| 13:46.06 | brlcad | yeah, that alone may have been the problem with self-shooting though my mind isn't in a state to concentrate an understanding |
| 13:46.22 | Chestal | too early? :-) |
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| 13:55.31 | brlcad | Chestal: way too early :) |
| 13:56.34 | brlcad | Chestal: as per handicap -- i think the only question is to whether or not the set values are sufficiently trusted to be correct/useful |
| 13:56.48 | brlcad | if not it won't get used because there is no way to change them |
| 13:56.50 | Chestal | yes, if they are not, it's hard to change them later |
| 13:57.02 | brlcad | if they are vars, admins can at least toss in a vars file to fix it |
| 13:57.26 | Chestal | I guess it's best to make them vars then, speed, turn and shotspeed. Also the -50? |
| 13:57.38 | Chestal | (the score limit where max handicap is reached) |
| 13:57.44 | brlcad | yeah, definately |
| 13:57.50 | brlcad | er, definitely |
| 13:57.51 | Chestal | /set is very cluttered already IMHO |
| 13:58.09 | Chestal | btw., I vote for a / key :-) |
| 13:58.15 | brlcad | yes! |
| 13:58.26 | brlcad | i second that vote |
| 13:58.29 | Chestal | and pgup/pgdn should IMHO scroll pagewise |
| 13:58.40 | brlcad | mmhmm |
| 13:59.03 | Chestal | I wonder if it can already be done via cnfig,let me check |
| 13:59.03 | brlcad | for commands? |
| 13:59.09 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.23 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.40 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.46 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 13:59.52 | brlcad | a / key |
| 14:00.00 | brlcad | what did you have in mind that it'd do? |
| 14:00.11 | Chestal | yes, same as n/ now |
| 14:00.24 | brlcad | ahh, yes, excellent :) |
| 14:00.37 | Chestal | I'm already using that key |
| 14:00.48 | Chestal | downside is, that it doesn't work, though ;-) |
| 14:00.54 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:01.20 | Chestal | and Ihave to reset all changes I done, like displaying flags etc. |
| 14:01.23 | brlcad | yeah, need to modify in support into clientCommands.cxx to make it bounded |
| 14:02.16 | Chestal | and I also want tab for completion, and I will get it sooner or later :-) |
| 14:02.38 | Chestal | but these things can happen before or after release, handicap has to be done before |
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| 14:03.42 | brlcad | mmm.. tab-completion |
| 14:04.01 | brlcad | hey, along with 2.0 comes major changes right? :) |
| 14:04.28 | Chestal | best I coudl think of so far is an option to disable special handling for tab-jumping while typing (as an option) |
| 14:04.29 | brlcad | could make it the \ key |
| 14:04.50 | Chestal | I'd remove it altogether, but I fear the mob :-) |
| 14:04.56 | brlcad | hehe |
| 14:05.02 | brlcad | yeah, they would probably lynch |
| 14:05.11 | brlcad | hmmm |
| 14:05.31 | brlcad | you've got an idea there.. at least make it an option so that you have tab-completion or you have jumping |
| 14:05.50 | brlcad | ~Chestal++ |
| 14:06.44 | |zongo| | i like this, i almsot play only on non-jumping servers :) |
| 14:07.40 | brlcad | |zongo|: even on jumping servers it's not so bad .. i'm a keyboard player, and if I'm mid-sentance I hit escape and drive |
| 14:08.08 | |zongo| | heh |
| 14:08.53 | |zongo| | im kb player too, but how do u manage jump with the kb...it moves too fast... |
| 14:09.06 | |zongo| | i know slow kb motion but... |
| 14:13.05 | jpa- | hello |
| 14:13.51 | SC | what does tab completion do? |
| 14:14.07 | jpa- | ie, type jp and press tab |
| 14:14.10 | jpa- | so you get jpa |
| 14:15.02 | SportChick | and it's useful in what context (I jump with tab, so I'm trying to figure out which I would have to use) |
| 14:15.33 | jpa- | you could have ctrl-completion etc |
| 14:15.48 | jpa- | but it is useful to type SportChick: fast |
| 14:16.11 | SportChick | could you not use control-tab for the completion? will it be mappable? |
| 14:16.20 | jpa- | hmm |
| 14:16.26 | jpa- | i don't know |
| 14:17.32 | Chestal | right now, it's not mappable |
| 14:17.51 | Chestal | and with the special tab-ahndling we already have, it's somehwat messy |
| 14:18.12 | Chestal | so for now, I'll just add optional completion with tab in addition to F2 |
| 14:18.30 | Chestal | the point is that tab for completion is a standard thatis used everywhere |
| 14:19.00 | Chestal | using different keys for it is much less useful (at least to me) |
| 14:19.02 | jpa- | yup |
| 14:19.22 | jpa- | why don't we jump with ctrl-j? |
| 14:20.01 | |zongo| | yeah, i think tab for jumping was a bad idea :) |
| 14:20.20 | |zongo| | the first time i saw that i mapped it to another key |
| 14:20.22 | Chestal | ctrl-alt-del for jumping ;-) |
| 14:20.26 | |zongo| | lol |
| 14:20.54 | brlcad | SportChick: outside of BZ, tab-completion is pretty much an established convention |
| 14:20.58 | jpa- | altgr-shift-esc |
| 14:21.15 | brlcad | so making tab jump conflicts with that at least when it comes to jumping |
| 14:21.28 | jpa- | is there something outside bz? |
| 14:21.29 | brlcad | s/jumping/text messaging/ |
| 14:23.29 | brlcad | i think the compromise to make it a menu option that disables tab-jumping while chatting (and likewise enables tab-completion there) is a good solution for now |
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| 14:24.58 | Chestal | they live isnide StateDatabase anyway |
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| 15:14.54 | Legolas | hi |
| 15:15.33 | Legolas | anyone here? |
| 15:15.39 | jpa- | yes |
| 15:15.52 | Legolas | is the releses out? |
| 15:15.52 | jpa- | but i'm not part of anyone |
| 15:16.02 | Legolas | lol |
| 15:16.05 | jpa- | nt that i would know |
| 15:16.40 | Legolas | anyone else here? |
| 15:17.04 | jpa- | no, i am the only one :) |
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| 15:18.45 | Legolas | ok bye |
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| 15:20.20 | jpa- | hi thumper |
| 15:22.12 | AftRburnR | hi jpa |
| 15:23.14 | jpa- | you have the longest hostname i've seen :) |
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| 15:28.29 | sgk284 | hmmm can't find it |
| 15:28.31 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 15:28.59 | sgk284 | hopefully the sarcasm wasnt lost |
| 15:29.11 | RedBaron2 | hi SC |
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| 15:31.24 | sgk284 | hey JBdiGriz |
| 15:32.43 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 15:32.47 | RedBaron2 | good idea.. |
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| 15:34.33 | RedBaron2 | aahhh much beater :)) |
| 15:34.38 | RedBaron2 | better* |
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| 15:34.45 | Nidhoggr | hi sgk284 |
| 15:34.48 | Nidhoggr | hi JBdiGriz |
| 15:35.00 | sgk284 | hey Nidhoggr |
| 15:35.06 | sgk284 | hows it going? |
| 15:35.09 | Nidhoggr | hi various barons :) |
| 15:35.12 | Legolas | hey any of you know anything about the release? |
| 15:35.13 | Nidhoggr | not too bad. |
| 15:35.18 | TheRedBaron | howdy Nid |
| 15:35.23 | RedBaron2 | hey nid |
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| 15:35.31 | TheRedBaron | Legolas: yes, they fixed the radar |
| 15:35.32 | RedBaron2 | hi sussi |
| 15:35.33 | Legolas | hey sussi |
| 15:35.38 | sussi | hi all |
| 15:35.41 | sgk284 | Legolas, when ever the devs can talk to Riker it should be released |
| 15:36.04 | Nidhoggr | wow... just got news that my dad's tests came back negative for cancer. |
| 15:36.17 | Legolas | oh \ |
| 15:36.54 | sgk284 | thats a good thing right? |
| 15:37.01 | TheRedBaron | yes |
| 15:37.06 | sgk284 | k:) |
| 15:37.07 | Legolas | yes i think |
| 15:37.11 | RedBaron2 | heheh |
| 15:37.11 | Nidhoggr | definitely a good thing. |
| 15:37.16 | Legolas | ok |
| 15:37.22 | RedBaron2 | right :) |
| 15:37.22 | sgk284 | well thats good news nid |
| 15:37.34 | Nidhoggr | he had surgery on friday to remove a mass. |
| 15:37.36 | jpa- | hmm |
| 15:37.45 | jpa- | i'm getting flags inside my mesh |
| 15:38.18 | sgk284 | i've got an interview with Unisys in a little bit... |
| 15:38.30 | Nidhoggr | oh, cool. best of luck! |
| 15:38.42 | sgk284 | thanks |
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| 15:40.50 | Grumbler | ~seen orchid |
| 15:41.00 | ibot | orchid is currently on #opencombat (2h 14m 6s) #debian (2h 14m 6s) #bzflag (2h 14m 6s) #tacobeam (2h 14m 6s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 45s |
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| 15:45.10 | sgk284 | ~seen TimRiker |
| 15:45.13 | ibot | timriker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 22h 4m 23s ago, saying: 'built and posted new .debs'. |
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| 15:45.32 | TheDarkSamurai | hey all |
| 15:45.39 | sgk284 | 4 days ago?! who does he think he is... |
| 15:45.41 | sgk284 | :) |
| 15:46.21 | TheDarkSamurai | hey RB?? RB2??? |
| 15:46.41 | RedBaron2 | hey |
| 15:46.55 | TheRedBaron | hi! |
| 15:46.58 | TheDarkSamurai | any chance of a tryout sometime? |
| 15:47.11 | RedBaron2 | i don't know.. |
| 15:47.14 | RedBaron2 | depends on when it is |
| 15:47.31 | TheDarkSamurai | any time...you name it..but not tomorrow |
| 15:47.57 | RedBaron2 | well we pretty much only get to play on the weekends.. |
| 15:48.05 | RedBaron2 | and then on the evenings.. |
| 15:48.25 | TheDarkSamurai | same here....i am doing as's and thats about it...any any free time i can space |
| 15:48.52 | TheDarkSamurai | spare* |
| 15:49.07 | RedBaron2 | hmm |
| 15:49.12 | TheDarkSamurai | :P |
| 15:49.33 | RedBaron2 | guess we'll see |
| 15:49.40 | TheDarkSamurai | yaya |
| 15:49.40 | RedBaron2 | :) |
| 15:49.51 | RedBaron2 | just too let you know though |
| 15:50.03 | RedBaron2 | we havn't recruited since the beggining.. |
| 15:50.07 | TheDarkSamurai | i am trying for tryouts for all teams above DUB :P |
| 15:50.16 | RedBaron2 | ok |
| 15:50.27 | RedBaron2 | cool |
| 15:50.37 | RedBaron2 | why are you leaving dub? |
| 15:50.42 | TheDarkSamurai | apart from carny's team |
| 15:50.51 | TheDarkSamurai | teaming cause i need a change |
| 15:51.12 | TheDarkSamurai | and well...the team doesn't play properly...apart from Z# |
| 15:51.27 | RedBaron2 | i see :) |
| 15:53.20 | RedBaron2 | gl with it all :) |
| 15:54.51 | TheDarkSamurai | hehehe thanx |
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| 16:07.17 | RedBaron2 | hi qd |
| 16:07.41 | quantumdot | hi RB2 |
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| 16:21.43 | *** topic/#bzflag by Grumbler -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Wiki requires registration (where??) || Rumour has it, that release is pushed for a week, or two....or three |
| 16:23.30 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr, how long will the bzbb pointer to my.bzflag.org be around? |
| 16:24.12 | Nidhoggr | it's not my pointer, so I dunno. it's a bzflag.org pointer, so might ask jeffm or tim. |
| 16:24.37 | Grumbler | ok |
| 16:26.14 | jpa- | hey! are we doing windows 95's? |
| 16:26.20 | Nidhoggr | if I can get sgk284 to finish that patch for 1.11, I can start running daily compiles, and have my folks test. |
| 16:26.29 | jpa- | will this actually get released in may etc? :) |
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| 16:28.22 | Nidhoggr | well, last time we did hard testing just before release, things moved pretty quickly. |
| 16:29.48 | Chestal | Nidhoggr: what patch is that? |
| 16:30.44 | Nidhoggr | he has a patch he wrote for 1.10 that allows me to ban a broad range, and then allow players with proper permissions to visit a webpage and have their ip whitelisted. |
| 16:31.03 | Nidhoggr | specifically for spoogebob, and a few others who think I won't ban a whole city for their antics. |
| 16:31.25 | Chestal | ah |
| 16:31.48 | Nidhoggr | so basically, it looks in whitelist file for IP, and allows it in even if it is in the bans. |
| 16:33.09 | Grumbler | sounds like a good patch to integrate |
| 16:33.23 | Nidhoggr | it's very handy. |
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| 16:34.14 | Chestal | tab completion, yay :-) |
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| 16:35.18 | Nidhoggr | yeah, mac address ban might help |
| 16:35.55 | Chestal | well, it's not possible |
| 16:36.31 | Chestal | MAC address is in layer 2, so it never leaves your LAN |
| 16:36.34 | Nidhoggr | every ethernet device has a mac address. |
| 16:36.44 | TheRedBaron | ok, that's what i thought |
| 16:36.54 | TheRedBaron | and what about dialup users then? |
| 16:36.56 | TheRedBaron | do they have one? |
| 16:37.32 | Nidhoggr | yes. not exactly sure how it's generated, but they do. |
| 16:38.00 | Chestal | they don't have a MAC |
| 16:38.05 | orange | mac is ethernet only |
| 16:38.16 | Nidhoggr | isn't the mac on a dialup of the terminal server? |
| 16:38.20 | Chestal | maybe there is anOS call which typically returns the MAC and returns somethign different if you have none |
| 16:39.20 | Chestal | well, every router on the way will probably have a MAC, too, but this is of no relevance |
| 16:39.21 | Grumbler | maybe we should petition the internet governing body to send mac address info........to hell with ip addresses.......we NEED to BAN.....ban, ban, ban..... |
| 16:39.43 | Chestal | MACs can often be forged anyway |
| 16:39.46 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:39.50 | TheRedBaron | since MAC never leaves the LAN, that would require an "infiltration" (for lack of a better word) |
| 16:39.55 | Grumbler | sure |
| 16:40.10 | Grumbler | everything can be forged, but lets make'em work for it |
| 16:40.35 | orange | Nidhoggr: I think the terminal server uses proxy arp to have packets destined for the dialup user sent to its own mac, so yes |
| 16:40.38 | Chestal | it's very easy on some OSs and with some drivers |
| 16:40.58 | Chestal | some even have a guy to enter the MAC address of choice :-) |
| 16:42.09 | Nidhoggr | yeah, my router will spoof a MAC address at home. |
| 16:42.15 | TheRedBaron | I believe with my router setup, I can change my MAC address |
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| 16:42.36 | Grumbler | yep, we make those routers illegal, and then ban'em |
| 16:43.01 | Grumbler | sry for my attitude, had to ban most of new york the other night |
| 16:43.23 | TheRedBaron | lol |
| 16:43.26 | |zongo| | ouch |
| 16:43.31 | TheRedBaron | what server? |
| 16:43.35 | Chestal | Grumbler: we expect no less from an old grumbler ;-) |
| 16:43.41 | Grumbler | heh |
| 16:45.09 | Chestal | I wonder if anyone has mapped jumping to a letter which you could type in a message |
| 16:45.31 | Grumbler | ? |
| 16:45.34 | Grumbler | instead of n |
| 16:45.42 | Chestal | instead of tab |
| 16:45.49 | Grumbler | ah |
| 16:46.02 | Chestal | say,you have it set to ' ' |
| 16:46.12 | RedBaron2 | hmm.. |
| 16:46.18 | Chestal | old behvaior when typign message with 'n' was to jump and give you a ' ' |
| 16:46.21 | RedBaron2 | tab has always worked best for me.. |
| 16:46.27 | Grumbler | yep, gotta wonder if you would jump and type at the same time.....or would it ignore it and just complete the message |
| 16:46.35 | Chestal | now depending on the new setting, it would either jump and swallow the letter or give you the letter |
| 16:46.48 | RedBaron2 | although i think my friend "anteater" mapped his jump to " ".. |
| 16:46.49 | Chestal | either way it's quite silly |
| 16:47.21 | RedBaron2 | er. that is he set it to spacebar.. |
| 16:47.23 | Chestal | RedBaron2: hmm, so whenever the typed messages with blanks hejumped? |
| 16:47.46 | Grumbler | it would be more interesting to map jump to all the letters.....and have it do short jumps and type at the same time...........it would look very silly |
| 16:47.47 | TheRedBaron | well, he plays ducati only so... |
| 16:47.56 | RedBaron2 | well he used to play ffa.. |
| 16:48.07 | Chestal | well, I guess the chaneg won't be a problem for anyone |
| 16:48.51 | TheRedBaron | yea? who needs to jump anyway? |
| 16:49.08 | RedBaron2 | lol |
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| 16:51.54 | |zongo| | anyway i have jumped mapped to "v" |
| 17:00.17 | RedBaron2 | how do you reach "v"? |
| 17:00.59 | TheRedBaron | if your radar keys are still defaulted to 1,2,3? |
| 17:01.07 | |zongo| | well its close to my shot keys, and remember, i have a swiss kb |
| 17:01.29 | |zongo| | TheRedBaron: i have also changed radar to a,s,d |
| 17:01.32 | Chestal | zongo: then the message type behaviour has changed a little now |
| 17:01.52 | |zongo| | ah, and? |
| 17:01.59 | |zongo| | u changed it today? |
| 17:02.08 | Chestal | zongo: well, before whenever you wanted to type a word with 'v' in it, you jumped and got the v |
| 17:02.34 | Chestal | zongo: now there's a setting, either it will jump and you won't be able to type a 'v',or you'll get the v and notbe able to jump while typing |
| 17:03.01 | |zongo| | ok great, i will update and see hot it works |
| 17:03.10 | TheRedBaron | zongo: forgot about international KBs |
| 17:03.12 | |zongo| | s/hot/how |
| 17:04.13 | Chestal | |zongo|: change is recent, if you use anon CVS, it will not be in there |
| 17:04.36 | |zongo| | ah...do i have to wait untill 2morrow? |
| 17:05.10 | |zongo| | btw Chestal: i have already something for the /pause /resume commands |
| 17:05.35 | |zongo| | a friend of mine helped me, but we need a small client change |
| 17:06.32 | Chestal | did you change protocol? |
| 17:06.34 | |zongo| | in order to allow MsgTimeUpdate to be equal to -1 |
| 17:06.48 | Chestal | what does the current client do with the -1? |
| 17:07.05 | |zongo| | we have looked at the /gameover stuff |
| 17:07.33 | |zongo| | we will use the same things |
| 17:09.34 | |zongo| | MsgTimeUpdate is an unsigned int now, but something like hud->setTimeLeft(-1) will help |
| 17:10.11 | |zongo| | the fact is that we would like to hide the client countdown while the server pauses |
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| 17:12.07 | TheRedBaron | erk. |
| 17:12.20 | TheRedBaron | i gotta behave now guys, sorry.... |
| 17:13.36 | |zongo| | Chestal: with -1 he should display something like 18 hours 12 min 15 sec :) |
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| 17:14.13 | |zongo| | (65535 seconds=2^16-1) |
| 17:15.11 | |zongo| | the only change to the client will be the following: |
| 17:15.50 | |zongo| | "hud->setTimeLeft(timeLeft)" to be changed into "hud->setTimeLeft(timeLeft == 0xffff ? -1 : timeLeft)" |
| 17:17.54 | |zongo| | then, it will interpret "MsgTimeUpdate 65535" as a query for removing the counter |
| 17:19.26 | JeffM2501 | why not just make it take -1 ? |
| 17:20.33 | |zongo| | its also a possibility |
| 17:22.05 | JeffM2501 | why cludge when you can make it intuitive :) |
| 17:22.41 | |zongo| | it was a minimal change :) |
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| 17:23.20 | JeffM2501 | easy is not allways best |
| 17:25.07 | arigo | the MsgTimeUpdate message takes a 16-bits *unsigned* argument |
| 17:25.26 | arigo | so you can't encode a negative value (-1 will show up as 0xffff) |
| 17:26.14 | arigo | (hi, btw) |
| 17:26.20 | JeffM2501 | so fix it :) |
| 17:26.30 | JeffM2501 | make it a float |
| 17:26.30 | TheRedBaron | patches are welcome :P |
| 17:26.33 | JeffM2501 | allways |
| 17:27.02 | arigo | well if it's a signed 16-bit value you can't have more than 9+ hours of countdown |
| 17:27.28 | arigo | if it's just a float you break client-server compatibility (I don't know if this is ok) |
| 17:27.42 | jpa- | why float? |
| 17:27.52 | jpa- | signed long int could be good? |
| 17:28.53 | arigo | makes sense; but do you usually try to keep wire compatibility? |
| 17:29.55 | jpa- | usually yes |
| 17:30.08 | jpa- | but if we could get that to 2.0 release, it wouldn't be that bad |
| 17:30.52 | arigo | ok |
| 17:31.52 | jpa- | (imo) |
| 17:33.03 | JeffM2501 | arigo, it's a new version , break what you will |
| 17:33.11 | JeffM2501 | oh your saying do it in 1.10.x? |
| 17:33.19 | arigo | no, no |
| 17:33.35 | JeffM2501 | if it's in 2.0 then there are no compatability issues |
| 17:34.20 | arigo | ok. |
| 17:34.29 | jpa- | JeffM2501: he was just worrying about cvs-compatability |
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| 17:40.55 | TheRedBaron | now that was a HUGE split.... |
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| 17:41.27 | Grumbler | wonder if it was me |
| 17:41.46 | Grumbler | i often notice people leaving when i arrive. :) |
| 17:42.17 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:43.34 | TheRedBaron | nah... you've been here... |
| 17:46.02 | JeffM2502 | ibot seen DTRemenak |
| 17:46.06 | ibot | dtremenak is currently on #bzflag (1d 22h 53m 4s). Has said a total of 330 messages. Is idling for 9h 31m 24s |
| 17:47.14 | TheRedBaron | I'm out guys, take care |
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| 17:52.25 | jpa- | give me the link! |
| 17:52.35 | jpa- | bzman.php?page=bzfs etc |
| 17:52.54 | jpa- | i got it yesterday and crashed my machine today, so i don't have it |
| 17:53.54 | jpa- | i need it |
| 17:54.36 | jpa- | ok |
| 17:54.38 | jpa- | found it |
| 17:54.40 | jpa- | thz |
| 17:54.43 | jpa- | thx i mean |
| 17:56.56 | arigo | thanks for the support, I posted it as a patch on http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1100328&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
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| 18:07.58 | trepan | paul, john, george, and ringo clones? |
| 18:08.25 | Nidhoggr | Davey Jones would be kinda cool. |
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| 18:17.32 | Grumbler | hmm |
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| 18:46.00 | *** topic/#bzflag by DTRemenak -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Wiki requires registration (where??) || Rumour has it, that release is (censored for inaccuracy) |
| 18:46.39 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:46.49 | tapo | is it a feature that I see the moon when I am blind? :) |
| 18:47.06 | DTRemenak | hahaha, yeah, I'd call that a feature :) |
| 18:47.21 | Tupone | I don't know, I have to talk to a blind |
| 18:47.25 | DTRemenak | if you close your eyes and look at the sun, you can see it, right? |
| 18:47.42 | tapo | no, I see where it is brighter. |
| 18:47.55 | DTRemenak | meh, same difference :) |
| 18:47.57 | tapo | :) |
| 18:52.18 | JeffM2501 | I did some reorg of the forums on bzbb, hope noone minds, figured that since it's the offical boards, I could take the term "BZ" out of many forum names, since it's impplied |
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| 18:53.28 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: looks good to me. "Tactics and playstyles"...that has promise :) |
| 18:53.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah figured somone could put something in there |
| 18:53.51 | JeffM2501 | as it has been discussed before |
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| 18:55.10 | Grumbler | dang censors :) |
| 18:55.35 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 18:56.49 | jpa- | how is release inaccurate and how have they cencored it? :) |
| 18:57.16 | jpa- | did they remove the special key (f12) to change tanks into naked women? |
| 18:58.18 | Grumbler | yep, now its ctrl-alt-delete on windows systems and L1-A on sun boxes....not sure what it is on linux systems |
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| 18:59.05 | JeffM2501 | what do you think about a "fansites" forum? where those that love to post about updating there wep pages can go |
| 18:59.24 | jpa- | Grumbler: i checked the code, seems to be ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 19:00.09 | Grumbler | wep?.......whats a wep |
| 19:00.18 | JeffM2501 | web sorry |
| 19:00.26 | jpa- | ewww |
| 19:00.29 | JeffM2501 | wep is a wireless encription sory |
| 19:00.32 | jpa- | i found a bug i think |
| 19:00.49 | jpa- | zones that are specified inside groups do not get resized |
| 19:03.00 | Grumbler | i guess its not a bad idea |
| 19:03.19 | jpa- | hmm? |
| 19:03.49 | jpa- | i want to make define spawnplatform :) |
| 19:05.09 | Grumbler | a lot of new map features out there.....i wonder how many bugs will pop up as map designers start putting them all together |
| 19:05.32 | jpa- | yup |
| 19:05.42 | jpa- | should i do something about this or let it be? :) |
| 19:07.27 | JeffM2501 | hey they released a headless mac |
| 19:11.55 | tapo | http://webpages.charter.net.nyud.net:8090/mattman7/mini.jpg |
| 19:12.17 | JeffM2501 | ya |
| 19:12.24 | JeffM2501 | it has a 9200 in it |
| 19:12.27 | JeffM2501 | I may just pick one up |
| 19:12.52 | Grumbler | so its released now, eh |
| 19:13.22 | JeffM2501 | I'll can the other mac |
| 19:13.45 | JeffM2501 | it seems I use it a lot now for IRC and IM when playing games |
| 19:13.55 | JeffM2501 | so it's ether that or upgrade the old G3 |
| 19:14.03 | orchid | how much are they? |
| 19:14.05 | JeffM2501 | it's being hit hard |
| 19:14.10 | JeffM2501 | 499 and 599 |
| 19:14.11 | orchid | yep :P |
| 19:14.14 | orchid | ooh |
| 19:14.19 | JeffM2501 | it's the cheap mac |
| 19:14.21 | orchid | $2300 CDN then |
| 19:14.35 | orchid | thereabouts |
| 19:14.36 | JeffM2501 | there is also the 99$ ipod flash |
| 19:15.36 | purple_cow | orchid: CDN is really that low right now? |
| 19:15.55 | orchid | purple_cow: nah, were actually quite strong these days |
| 19:16.43 | purple_cow | ~convert 599 USD to CAD |
| 19:16.53 | purple_cow | err... |
| 19:16.54 | orchid | 729.024 CAD |
| 19:17.02 | orchid | not bad |
| 19:17.22 | orchid | ~convert 599 USD to CDN |
| 19:17.40 | orchid | ~convert 599 US to CDN |
| 19:17.58 | orchid | Unknown unit `US |
| 19:18.06 | orchid | anyhow |
| 19:18.13 | JeffM2501 | thre isn't much dif between the 499 and 599, just 40 gigs and 200 mhz |
| 19:18.20 | JeffM2501 | I'd get the cheaper one |
| 19:18.26 | JeffM2501 | and just replace the drive later |
| 19:19.04 | orchid | really, hmm |
| 19:19.14 | orchid | whats the ram? |
| 19:19.26 | orchid | and its OSX right? |
| 19:19.55 | Grumbler | not a big fan of the brick power supply |
| 19:21.21 | JeffM2501 | then spend 1500 on a regular mac |
| 19:21.40 | JeffM2501 | one would hope it takes normal dimms |
| 19:22.11 | JeffM2501 | onder what all the cube owners think |
| 19:22.24 | orchid | comes with Mac OS X v10.3 Panther, Quicken 2005 for Mac, Nanosaur 2, Marble Blast Gold |
| 19:22.59 | Grumbler | dont forget iLife and Apple Hardware Test |
| 19:23.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah it takes a normal PC2700 dimm |
| 19:23.41 | Grumbler | but can you open the box without voiding the warranty |
| 19:23.53 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 19:24.48 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see PCs that size |
| 19:25.02 | JeffM2501 | with a 1/2 height AGP card |
| 19:25.06 | Grumbler | looks like it, the airport extreme is a plug in |
| 19:26.49 | Grumbler | wonder what kind of cooling issues they have |
| 19:27.05 | JeffM2501 | if it's a metal case, they may use that as a heat sink |
| 19:27.24 | JeffM2501 | the G4s of that speed don't have CPU fans IIRC |
| 19:27.56 | Grumbler | only 85W total.....may not be an issue with the metal case |
| 19:28.28 | Grumbler | heh, of which 8W is slated for the firewire port |
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| 19:30.20 | gina | ducati fullhouse |
| 19:30.41 | gina | what's the limitation of having more observers? |
| 19:31.31 | JeffM2501 | server has to send more data out |
| 19:31.42 | Grumbler | hmm, with the emac @999 and 1.25ghz, gotta wonder why you would get that over the mini |
| 19:31.43 | JeffM2501 | so it's more bandwith |
| 19:31.59 | gina | what's the ducati bandwidth |
| 19:32.14 | JeffM2501 | emac has a screen and a keyboard and all that |
| 19:32.23 | Grumbler | only USB 1.1 |
| 19:32.24 | JeffM2501 | some speculate they may drop in price too |
| 19:32.41 | JeffM2501 | they needed a cheap mac to get in the n00bs |
| 19:32.46 | JeffM2501 | gina, only chestal knows |
| 19:32.49 | gina | ducati on USB1.1 ? |
| 19:33.03 | Grumbler | gina, no, i was talking about apple |
| 19:33.05 | gina | :P |
| 19:33.06 | JeffM2501 | no the mac |
| 19:33.14 | gina | ahh the mac on ducati |
| 19:33.20 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 19:33.24 | gina | :PP |
| 19:33.24 | JeffM2501 | nothing to do with ducati |
| 19:33.36 | Grumbler | i sense someon is being difficult |
| 19:33.43 | gina | woops |
| 19:35.07 | Grumbler | correction 2 dedicated USB1.1, 3 @.0 |
| 19:35.16 | Grumbler | err, 3 2.0 USB |
| 19:35.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:35.43 | JeffM2501 | they are difrent markets the mini and the emac |
| 19:36.04 | JeffM2501 | for 100$ I could see myself geting a iPod Shuffle |
| 19:43.00 | Chestal | "Do not eat iPod shuffle." :-) |
| 19:46.11 | Grumbler | ~spell soufle |
| 19:46.12 | ibot | possible spellings for soufle: souffle souffles sole soul scuffle snuffle stifle shuffle Sofie sourly soulful subfile sidle sawfly solve Seoul Sile soil souffle's ovule stole supple sniffle snuffler souled stifler sulfa Sol shuffler single sol safely Seville Sollie fouler softly suffer muffle rifle ruffle smile softer stile style suable suckle sutler |
| 19:51.02 | gina | ~spell bzflag |
| 19:51.02 | ibot | possible spellings for bzflag: flag Belg befall flak flog slag Zelig befog beluga bowleg stalag Falk balk bezels Blake Buffalo bezel bilge black bleak buffalo bulge bulgy flack flake flaky baffling basal baffle barfly befell silage botfly boxful foliage |
| 19:51.09 | gina | rofl! |
| 19:51.44 | Grumbler | ~dict snuffler |
| 19:52.35 | Nidhoggr | WOW! new mac mini is incredible. |
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| 19:57.40 | Grumbler | would be nice to compare its preformance with something in the same price range |
| 19:59.31 | Grumbler | ya figure dell has the $499 2.8ghz system with 512mb cache........install a free linux distro on there......where are you in comparison to the mini......or is this another apple product only for apple lovers. |
| 20:00.03 | Nidhoggr | it looks pretty functional. |
| 20:00.15 | Grumbler | the size is appealling |
| 20:00.16 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:00.46 | Grumbler | i am not a fan of bricks, but with the desktop footprint, its a tradeoff |
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| 20:02.07 | Grumbler | with all my USB/Firewire gadets it would be port limited in my case, with the necessity of a hub external......but, if i look at my brothers for possible consummers, then the few they have there is probably enough |
| 20:02.08 | Nidhoggr | it could definitely replace my current mac desktop. |
| 20:02.26 | Nidhoggr | and save me lots of space. |
| 20:03.33 | Grumbler | would it be a step up in processing power or a side step |
| 20:06.22 | Nidhoggr | I have a dual 500 now, but the graphics is not great. |
| 20:13.35 | JeffM2501 | it sounds like a decent low end machine |
| 20:13.42 | JeffM2501 | it'll get all the G3 users to upgrade |
| 20:13.53 | JeffM2501 | and ipod users who want a second computer, even if it is a mac |
| 20:13.55 | *** topic/#bzflag by Grumbler -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Wiki requires registration (where??) || Release date is TBD |
| 20:14.06 | orchid | so we're all getting one then, its settled |
| 20:14.11 | Grumbler | heh |
| 20:14.28 | JeffM2501 | they dont' ship till like the 20somethingth |
| 20:14.30 | Grumbler | it could be a nice belated xmas gift to the folks |
| 20:16.21 | JeffM2501 | have you seen the sandisk new SD card? |
| 20:16.28 | JeffM2501 | with USB built in |
| 20:18.03 | Pimpinella | what is TBD ? |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | To be determined |
| 20:18.27 | Pimpinella | ty |
| 20:19.09 | Grumbler | sry about that Pimpinella, assume TBD was universal |
| 20:19.26 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: today is the most likely candidate, btw |
| 20:19.34 | Grumbler | yeah right |
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| 20:20.40 | JeffM2501 | asuming your lurker returns |
| 20:21.03 | DTRemenak | brlcad: is today a good day to die^W release? |
| 20:21.45 | Grumbler | since the the 36 exe was just posted, i would give it another day or two of beta testing before general havok......just my two cents |
| 20:22.43 | DTRemenak | it's not really beta anymore. it's had a lot of testing and not may changes the last week or so. I was prepared to release yesterday, once I had the minimize/restore problem pinned down. |
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| 20:24.00 | Grumbler | minimize/restore/gamma.....and random crashes going through teleporters |
| 20:24.44 | DTRemenak | gamma has been a problem since at least 1.7, it's not gonna be fixed in the next day :) |
| 20:24.51 | Grumbler | heh |
| 20:25.09 | DTRemenak | random crashes through teleporters: can you duplicate on .36? |
| 20:25.15 | Grumbler | fyi, i had better luck with wiping the config file first |
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| 20:25.51 | Grumbler | not yet....i havent had too much play time......i am baby sitting a script right now |
| 20:26.22 | DTRemenak | ok. I haven't had a crash at all since sometime last month. |
| 20:26.55 | DTRemenak | save for the busted .35 build :) |
| 20:27.08 | Grumbler | heh |
| 20:28.03 | Grumbler | i have to check on the group permission files.......format, etc.....i should have been a default admin on my site, but something wasnt right there.....not a biggy though |
| 20:28.50 | Chestal | the issues I see are rendering related, but most probably caused by buggy drivers :-( |
| 20:28.53 | DTRemenak | .36 existed for all of what, 4 hours? :) |
| 20:29.44 | Chestal | maybe 5 ;-) |
| 20:30.02 | Grumbler | the snow flakes are cool, but since i moved to an lcd, i cant be a good judge of overall graphic impact |
| 20:30.05 | DTRemenak | yeah, looks like about 5 and a half :) |
| 20:30.44 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: lcds should be nice and sharp at native res |
| 20:31.01 | Chestal | new since .35 (I think): gmActivation var, tab completion, handicap vars, roger jumps |
| 20:31.12 | DTRemenak | and as long as you have a decent pixel response rate, it should look good |
| 20:32.43 | Grumbler | DTRemenak, yeah, its sharp, but the response is a little slow.....well at 1600x1200 what can one expect.......so when the tank moves it looks a little like when i have had too much to drink.... |
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| 20:37.56 | brlcad | DTRemenak: :) |
| 20:40.14 | Pimpinella | grr, having a spare slot to have an admin enter a server (at least as obs) even when it's full would be nice |
| 20:41.12 | Grumbler | good idea |
| 20:44.31 | JeffM2501 | problem is, how do you know it's an admin when you join, since you havent' loged in yet? |
| 20:45.17 | JeffM2501 | I'd think what you'd want would be an obeserver only admin port |
| 20:45.32 | JeffM2501 | that auto kicks if joiner dosn't login properly |
| 20:45.43 | JeffM2501 | or redo how bzflag handles connections |
| 20:46.50 | tapo | nice map |
| 20:48.13 | JeffM2501 | DTR, do you want a forum just for "current releases" ? |
| 20:48.24 | JeffM2501 | so it's not mixed in general? |
| 20:48.51 | JeffM2501 | I'll call it like "releases and versions" |
| 20:49.00 | Grumbler | you could setup a whitelist style connection....the server owner adds his ip address/range to the list, and that slot is only open to those machines |
| 20:49.26 | JeffM2501 | be tricky if a player joins on that whitelist |
| 20:49.38 | Grumbler | true |
| 20:49.40 | JeffM2501 | I'd do a non advertised port, and also the whitelist thing |
| 20:49.49 | JeffM2501 | connections on that port could NOT play |
| 20:50.04 | Grumbler | yeah, you dont advertise, its just there, and only the admin(s) know about it |
| 20:50.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 20:50.17 | JeffM2501 | most other FPS games have an "admin port" |
| 20:51.24 | Grumbler | i suppose that is an abuse we havent seen. someone putting 90 bots on a server to fill up all its slots. |
| 20:51.37 | jifl | i've seen it |
| 20:51.37 | wegstar | hmm... springs are appearing all over my backyard... gotta plug them and flood the neighbors... LOL |
| 20:51.44 | wegstar | !weather 94030 |
| 20:51.47 | guu | wegstar: The current temperature in Millbrae, California is 54°F (11:56 AM PST on January 11, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 45°F. Wind: WNW at 18 mph (30 km/h). Pressure: 29.84 in (1010 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 12 |
| 20:55.53 | DTRemenak | brlcad: so that's a yes? :) |
| 20:56.13 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: sounds good to me. or "prerelease builds" or something |
| 20:56.19 | brlcad | DTRemenak: I'm leaving work in a couple minutes to that end :) |
| 20:56.25 | DTRemenak | 'cause the "current" version will be on sf |
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| 20:57.17 | brlcad | wow, apple store is getting slammed |
| 20:57.32 | DTRemenak | brlcad: cool. I won't be available for the next couple hours though |
| 20:57.33 | JeffM2501 | I called it releases and versions |
| 20:57.42 | *** topic/#bzflag by DTRemenak -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Wiki requires registration (where??) || Release date is TODAY |
| 20:57.47 | cods | hmmmm |
| 20:57.51 | JeffM2501 | since info on the new regular releases will be there too |
| 20:57.54 | JeffM2501 | like 2.0.2 |
| 20:58.02 | DTRemenak | ~notify TimRiker we'd like to release today. any comments? |
| 20:58.27 | DTRemenak | now if he doesn't show up it's his own dang problem. |
| 20:58.28 | brlcad | DTRemenak: that's fine.. take me a lil bit to get home |
| 20:58.39 | cods | the problem with "collision" between two meshes (or just two objects in many cases) at the same height will not be fixed in the 2.0 release ? |
| 20:58.41 | brlcad | DTRemenak: don't throw in a wrench :P |
| 20:58.46 | brlcad | we waited already :) |
| 20:58.51 | DTRemenak | heh, yup |
| 20:59.10 | brlcad | ahh, no wonder.. /. on apple |
| 20:59.29 | brlcad | wow, that's a lot of comments |
| 20:59.30 | Nidhoggr | can't get apple store to come up. :) |
| 20:59.37 | brlcad | you and me both :) |
| 21:00.02 | brlcad | first time in a long time that I've seen the store grind to a halt |
| 21:00.09 | Nidhoggr | I just want to see what the pricing of the macmini will be with different options. :/ |
| 21:00.17 | Nidhoggr | it's pretty darned exciting. |
| 21:00.22 | orchid | :) |
| 21:00.30 | brlcad | i already got through that much .. :) .. |
| 21:00.43 | brlcad | i'm trying to check out the discounts now |
| 21:00.44 | JeffM2501 | 100 for the super drive |
| 21:00.48 | Nidhoggr | aaah. |
| 21:00.51 | JeffM2501 | what other options you want? |
| 21:00.57 | brlcad | 400 to max out memory to 1gb? |
| 21:01.08 | Nidhoggr | bluetooth? |
| 21:01.10 | brlcad | wireless |
| 21:01.10 | orchid | the store must be running Xserv |
| 21:01.13 | Nidhoggr | wireless? |
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| 21:01.14 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:01.29 | brlcad | yeah, memory best purchased elsewhere |
| 21:01.38 | Nidhoggr | their RAM is expensive. |
| 21:02.03 | Nidhoggr | I'm all ready to get iWork and new iLife. |
| 21:02.19 | brlcad | ahh, the entered into the flash-based mp3 players |
| 21:02.23 | brlcad | cute |
| 21:02.27 | Nidhoggr | nod. ipodshuffle. |
| 21:02.48 | t-s | I like my mini more... |
| 21:02.52 | JeffM2501 | well it does say "memory upgrades to be performed by an apple service center" |
| 21:02.59 | t-s | use it as startup disk |
| 21:03.08 | JeffM2501 | guess they still wield the hood shut |
| 21:03.12 | cods | hmm, about the thing I was talking about (problem with detection), that prevent many thing to be used on a map actually. I wonder if I'm the only one to "complain" about that. |
| 21:03.24 | cods | s/dectection/collision detection/ |
| 21:03.44 | cods | and s/about/above/.. ick. |
| 21:03.50 | JeffM2501 | the shuffle is not an ipod replacement |
| 21:03.56 | JeffM2501 | it's used for difernet people |
| 21:04.03 | JeffM2501 | I'd never use all of a 40 gig player |
| 21:04.07 | JeffM2501 | i just don't go that far |
| 21:04.19 | JeffM2501 | 512megs... thatd be fine tho |
| 21:04.28 | JeffM2501 | 'specialy at 100$ |
| 21:04.46 | *** part/#bzflag t-s (~ts@pD9EA6A9A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:05.44 | JeffM2501 | so does the apple store actualy sell things? or is it like the gateway stores where you just play with it, then order it? |
| 21:14.47 | Nidhoggr | hrm. 1352 to max it out. |
| 21:14.59 | Nidhoggr | wireless/bluetooth and wireless kb/mouse |
| 21:15.04 | Nidhoggr | 1gb |
| 21:15.40 | JeffM2501 | how many dimm slots? |
| 21:15.44 | Nidhoggr | just 1. |
| 21:15.58 | Nidhoggr | have to use 1 gb memory card. |
| 21:16.06 | JeffM2501 | how much they wantfor that? |
| 21:16.08 | JeffM2501 | just the ram? |
| 21:16.15 | Nidhoggr | 400ish |
| 21:16.21 | Nidhoggr | 475, I think |
| 21:16.23 | JeffM2501 | PC2700? |
| 21:16.29 | Nidhoggr | 425 |
| 21:16.38 | Nidhoggr | ddr333 |
| 21:16.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's PC2700 |
| 21:17.01 | JeffM2501 | $90 |
| 21:17.12 | JeffM2501 | 234$ for a 2 giger |
| 21:17.57 | JeffM2501 | $100 if you want to put a gig of PC3200 |
| 21:18.16 | JeffM2501 | well and 2$ for the torx driver to open the thing |
| 21:18.44 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:19.03 | JeffM2501 | I'm beting it takes laptop drives too |
| 21:19.11 | Nidhoggr | probably. |
| 21:22.03 | JeffM2501 | is the airport a standard connector? |
| 21:22.07 | JeffM2501 | or is it "difrent" |
| 21:22.23 | JeffM2501 | arn't they just PCMCI cards? |
| 21:23.58 | Tupone | airport is WiFi? |
| 21:24.48 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it's just 802.11 |
| 21:25.57 | brlcad | 802.11g/b |
| 21:26.08 | brlcad | just pcmcia cards |
| 21:26.48 | Tupone | who can admin the motd? |
| 21:26.59 | Tupone | you brlcad ? |
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| 21:29.55 | Chestal | yes, the list server message should be removes |
| 21:35.28 | Tupone | yeah, someone who has admin please :) |
| 21:38.50 | Chestal | hmm, loads and loads of stuff in TODO |
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| 21:46.17 | m3ss1 | nabend |
| 21:56.19 | wegstar | noooo... |
| 21:57.13 | wegstar | about that login thingy in the new version... what if I wanted to use a callsign other than "wegstar" which I registered on the forums..., do I need to register a new account???? |
| 21:58.10 | Nidhoggr | there was talk about registering aliases. |
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| 21:59.45 | Tupone | wegstar: I got that you can change your name without deleting/creating an account |
| 22:01.57 | wegstar | what if I don't want to change my name? |
| 22:02.00 | JeffM2501 | the designer of the login system forgot about aliases |
| 22:02.06 | JeffM2501 | those are your only options |
| 22:02.07 | wegstar | aww |
| 22:02.13 | wegstar | ok |
| 22:02.20 | Legoguy | today eh, yay |
| 22:02.22 | JeffM2501 | he baislcy said "patches weclome" |
| 22:02.31 | JeffM2501 | even tho it means redoing the entire system |
| 22:03.14 | Legoguy | I was told that it was decided against, not just forgotten :-/ |
| 22:03.15 | brlcad | Tupone: yes |
| 22:03.25 | JeffM2501 | hey spin it how you want it |
| 22:03.35 | Tupone | brlcad: can you remove one of the messages |
| 22:03.44 | JeffM2501 | what was decided against was making the masive changes, when it was brought to his attention. |
| 22:03.44 | Tupone | listserver one :) |
| 22:03.58 | Legoguy | brlcad: so it will _definitely_ be 20050111 |
| 22:03.59 | JeffM2501 | if it dosnt' crash it's not a bug |
| 22:04.07 | brlcad | tupone, when we release, they will no longer match :) |
| 22:04.16 | purple_cow | JeffM2501 sounds bitter |
| 22:04.45 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i'm afraid we can no longer allow you to express your unmutual opinions |
| 22:04.51 | Tupone | when we release? |
| 22:04.51 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:04.52 | Legoguy | my god; sorry, but i think that sounds completely dumb and ignorant to say something that doesn't crash it isn't a bug |
| 22:04.57 | JeffM2501 | not bitter |
| 22:05.03 | JeffM2501 | just informative |
| 22:05.21 | JeffM2501 | and finding it hard to belive that people still follow it |
| 22:06.51 | bryjen | purple_cow: you've not been around keeping him in line, so he's gotten all uppity ;) |
| 22:07.57 | JeffM2501 | I'm old and I now have a bad knee, figured the 'tude shoudl go with it. |
| 22:08.18 | JeffM2501 | or maybe all this macintosh exposure has me thinking difrent |
| 22:08.46 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:23.10 | tapo | hell, tried out olympics too long :) |
| 22:27.04 | Pimpinella | Release date is TODAY: is this for sure? |
| 22:27.55 | wegstar | people have been talking about this release everywhere.... IS IT TODAY???? |
| 22:28.46 | Pimpinella | well, so i wait announcing it on servers ;) |
| 22:29.42 | JeffM2501 | it is when it is |
| 22:29.48 | JeffM2501 | if it is ready then it will be |
| 22:29.53 | Pimpinella | sure ;) |
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| 22:29.54 | JeffM2501 | if problems are found then it won't be |
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| 22:30.29 | Pimpinella | i'm just a srong in topic believer |
| 22:30.37 | Pimpinella | *strong |
| 22:30.43 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 22:31.28 | wegstar | hmm news.bzflag.org:5154 i'll wait there... :) |
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| 22:56.39 | wegstar | darn windows update.... |
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| 23:36.29 | My[DSMBR | when!! |
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| 23:42.21 | shorty114 | ooh is it released yet? |
| 23:42.40 | wegstar | it is??? |
| 23:43.36 | shorty114 | Release date is TODAY |
| 23:43.39 | shorty114 | says in topic... |
| 23:43.45 | shorty114 | but today's not over yet :) |
| 23:44.14 | SilverFox | shorty114, I'd love to see that moved to the beginning of the topic. Can ibot do swap topic items? |
| 23:44.30 | SilverFox | ibot, can you do it? |
| 23:45.06 | *** topic/#bzflag by shorty114 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Release date is TODAY || Wiki requires registration (where??) |
| 23:45.15 | shorty114 | well, there's no +t |
| 23:45.21 | SilverFox | oh well. ;) |
| 23:45.31 | shorty114 | ibot, can you do it? |
| 23:45.33 | creeperz | w00t! |
| 23:45.57 | shorty114 | ibot's just laggin gout |
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| 23:58.05 | DTRemenak | anyone have VC6 handy to do a test compile? |
| 23:59.11 | DTRemenak | amathis: if it becomes a problem, someone will. |
