| 00:00.21 | silverfx | Is the help pages parsed once at invokation, or if I change the text file, will it update w/out a HUP? |
| 00:01.01 | Pimpinella | i dont think bzfs reloads config at HUP |
| 00:01.37 | silverfx | Is the help pages parsed once at invokation, or if I change the text file, will it update w/out stopping then restarting?? |
| 00:01.40 | Pimpinella | it is loaded once at startup and wont be updated |
| 00:01.44 | brlcad | Patlabor221: i take that back.. 350 g3 vs 400 g4 isn't going to be nearly that much.. |
| 00:01.46 | silverfx | bummer. |
| 00:02.20 | Patlabor221 | 300 g3 |
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| 00:02.44 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.09 | brlcad | probably 50 % or so |
| 00:04.18 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 00:04.39 | Patlabor221 | I'm looking at zif upgrades now |
| 00:05.02 | Pimpinella | g'nite |
| 00:06.26 | brlcad | the upgrades (especially the dual's) would definately jack up the speed, but they ain't cheap |
| 00:06.38 | Patlabor221 | under 200 |
| 00:06.40 | Patlabor221 | not horible |
| 00:06.47 | Patlabor221 | to get it to like 500/600 |
| 00:06.58 | Patlabor221 | I got a readeon 7000 for it too |
| 00:07.15 | Patlabor221 | one company has a 1.1 gig 3g upgrade |
| 00:07.17 | brlcad | if it's just for test building, that should be fine |
| 00:07.33 | Patlabor221 | 13.85$ for the card :) |
| 00:07.38 | brlcad | hey, maybe you'll get that nasty audio bug and be able to fix it ;) |
| 00:07.41 | Patlabor221 | one flash later and it's a mac card :) |
| 00:07.58 | brlcad | yeah, that's definately the way to go |
| 00:08.18 | Patlabor221 | people are paying 65-85 for the "mac" versions of those cards |
| 00:08.35 | brlcad | yeah, I know.. crazy |
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| 00:08.54 | Patlabor221 | wish there was a way to do the same for GeForce |
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| 00:09.43 | a_monkey | guys, basically, what *is* linux? |
| 00:09.52 | brlcad | it's a religion |
| 00:10.05 | a_monkey | no its an os |
| 00:10.22 | a_monkey | isnt it? |
| 00:10.27 | brlcad | if you think you know, why are you asking? |
| 00:10.42 | sgk284 | a_monkey: technically its a kernel |
| 00:10.45 | brlcad | fine, it's a potato |
| 00:10.53 | DTRemenak | a_monkey: use your resources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux |
| 00:11.04 | sgk284 | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 00:11.07 | Patlabor221 | it's a port of unix |
| 00:11.08 | brlcad | folks are too kind.. |
| 00:11.21 | sgk284 | heh |
| 00:11.23 | Patlabor221 | "linux, your soaking in it" |
| 00:13.58 | Patlabor221 | why do you need to know a_monkey |
| 00:13.59 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 00:14.35 | silverfx | huh... |
| 00:14.46 | silverfx | it didn't like that the lines in the helppage were so long... |
| 00:15.15 | Patlabor221 | there is probably a limit so they don't flood the users who ask for em |
| 00:15.48 | a_monkey | im just curious |
| 00:16.00 | a_monkey | i thought it had to do with unix... |
| 00:16.17 | sgk284 | it does, its a posix compliant unix clone |
| 00:16.25 | sgk284 | more or less:) |
| 00:17.10 | a_monkey | am i using unix when i build source code using terminal on my mac? |
| 00:17.25 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:17.28 | Patlabor221 | your using a terminal |
| 00:17.32 | a_monkey | oh |
| 00:17.44 | Patlabor221 | tho it has a shell similar to the ones incuded on most unixish systems |
| 00:17.58 | sgk284 | i'm not a mac user but i believe Mac OSX is built on FreeBSD's kernel which has its roots in unix |
| 00:18.00 | Patlabor221 | OSX uses a bsd"ish" kernel |
| 00:18.08 | a_monkey | when i open up the app 'Terminal' do i open up a terminal? |
| 00:18.32 | Patlabor221 | it's just a terminal shell |
| 00:18.39 | Patlabor221 | most "real" OSs have them to some extent |
| 00:18.50 | Patlabor221 | it's one way to give commands to the computer |
| 00:19.01 | Patlabor221 | just like a dos prompt on an old windows 95 system |
| 00:19.14 | Patlabor221 | or the terminal shell on a linux system |
| 00:19.43 | a_monkey | could i start programming in c++ w/out anything but the terminal and my mac? |
| 00:19.44 | Patlabor221 | the OSX shell seems very bash like, so it shares a lot with the shells that are used on unix and linux systems |
| 00:19.53 | Patlabor221 | if you had the compiler installed |
| 00:20.10 | Patlabor221 | it's on the developers tools CD that came with OSX |
| 00:20.22 | a_monkey | you mean xcode? |
| 00:20.30 | Patlabor221 | xcode is an IDE |
| 00:20.37 | Patlabor221 | that disk has the compiler and stuff on it too |
| 00:20.38 | a_monkey | brb |
| 00:29.42 | sgk284 | heh i had use internet explorer today and wow I completely forgot how many ads and pop ups were on the internet, even slashdot has ads which I nearly totally forgot |
| 00:29.46 | sgk284 | it was wierd |
| 00:29.56 | sgk284 | s/had/had to |
| 00:30.14 | Patlabor221 | install the google toolbar |
| 00:30.55 | sgk284 | well it was only a temporary thing, I don't see me using it again in the near future, but yea i've heard good things about the google toolbar |
| 00:31.32 | sgk284 | although it doesn't block ads right? just pop ups |
| 00:32.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:32.56 | Patlabor221 | how do you define what an "ad" is? |
| 00:33.11 | sgk284 | any image or iframes that i dont want:) |
| 00:33.39 | Patlabor221 | and the software knows what you wand and don't how? :) |
| 00:33.42 | sgk284 | the ad block extension for firefox is your friend, before that, i used to edit my hosts file |
| 00:34.43 | sgk284 | well most ads come from some website or directory with "ads" or something in its name, you can either manually right click and block that image, all images from that server, etc... or you can find pre made ad block lists that are fairly extensive |
| 00:34.47 | sgk284 | an example: |
| 00:36.13 | sgk284 | http://files.koldark.net/adblock.txt |
| 00:37.05 | sgk284 | import something like that into adblock (which is a firefox extension) and you'll rarely be bothered with ads |
| 00:37.09 | sgk284 | at least it works for me:) |
| 00:37.41 | Patlabor221 | I'm not bothered by ads in the least right now |
| 00:38.00 | sgk284 | also it helps alot if in firefox you select "only load images from originating website" |
| 00:38.18 | Patlabor221 | but then where would the pr0n come from? |
| 00:38.29 | sgk284 | heh |
| 00:39.09 | sgk284 | thats what profiles are for ;) |
| 00:41.19 | learner | darwin is a full-fledged bsd kernel |
| 00:41.44 | purple_cow | how is darwin a kernel? |
| 00:42.10 | learner | bleh, that's what I (didn't) mean |
| 00:42.37 | Patlabor221 | what is the darwin part? |
| 00:44.02 | sgk284 | http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ |
| 00:44.29 | Patlabor221 | so the OS that's on top of the kernel? |
| 00:44.37 | learner | "darwin" includes the kernel, several bsd and posix apis and system tools |
| 00:44.53 | learner | yeah |
| 00:44.56 | Patlabor221 | then aqua is on top of that? |
| 00:45.27 | learner | yeah, apple provides a slew of frameworks that live on top or next to the darwin facilities |
| 00:45.44 | Patlabor221 | so darwin is open source, but aqua is not |
| 00:45.58 | learner | aqua mostly comes from the look and feel of the cocoa and carbon frameworks |
| 00:46.01 | Patlabor221 | so you could run the darwin backend on other hardware but then would nee to like run X for a windowing system? |
| 00:46.18 | learner | right.. darwin actually runs on x86 out of the box |
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| 00:46.52 | Patlabor221 | 10.4 isn't gonna desuport my little blue and white is it? |
| 00:47.36 | learner | i don't recall the minimum specs |
| 00:48.01 | learner | technically my g3 200 isn't supported I hear .. but it runs |
| 00:48.18 | Patlabor221 | imac? |
| 00:48.21 | Patlabor221 | or beige? |
| 00:48.42 | learner | imac |
| 00:48.45 | learner | original |
| 00:49.04 | learner | hardware-wise it is supported, but the memory config is not (96mb) |
| 00:49.12 | Patlabor221 | that's on the 10.3 suported list |
| 00:49.24 | Patlabor221 | my beige one isn't |
| 00:50.26 | Patlabor221 | wow here's a fast card, xclaim 3d "pro" |
| 00:50.39 | learner | yeah.. I'd be worrisome about all of the g3s being supported for much longer |
| 00:54.07 | sgk284 | is it safe to assume that unless you give a client permission, that they can't find out other client's ip addresses? |