| 00:00.32 | Patlabor221 | guu stick it to the man |
| 00:00.33 | Guu | Patlabor221: Huh? |
| 00:00.40 | Patlabor221 | wow that's some lag |
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| 00:05.41 | jh` | lol |
| 00:05.52 | jh` | yoyox has been idle 349hrs 43mins 2secs, signed on Thu Sep 30 10:14:28 |
| 00:06.31 | jh` | tats an active chatter |
| 00:06.45 | tango_ | rotfl |
| 00:06.48 | freakazoid | ok, I have live video, but it's all corrupted. |
| 00:06.48 | freakazoid | blah |
| 00:06.52 | tango_ | we should ask the developers to introduce days |
| 00:10.07 | jh` | ab.15 days |
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| 00:14.47 | freakazoid | ok, xvidcap gives me corrupted video, so I guess video is on hold while I go get some beer |
| 00:15.46 | freakazoid | and bzflag won't work with 24bpp in Xvfb, and at 32bpp I get a black framebuffer and xvidcap segfaults |
| 00:16.49 | jh` | was that your boss? |
| 00:16.55 | freakazoid | no |
| 00:20.25 | Patlabor221 | "introduce days"? |
| 00:21.10 | jh` | irc developers maybe |
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| 00:21.18 | Patlabor221 | no, what do you mean? |
| 00:21.32 | tango_ | Patlabor221: no, xchat developers |
| 00:21.35 | tango_ | :) |
| 00:21.38 | tango_ | forget it |
| 00:21.39 | Guu | I hear ya, tango_. |
| 00:21.51 | lan56 | that's a new one |
| 00:21.59 | lan56 | guu talking without being prompted |
| 00:22.00 | Guu | lan56: Poke me there again, and you'll pull back a stump. |
| 00:22.11 | tango_ | Guu: uh? |
| 00:22.11 | Guu | I have no idea. |
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| 00:22.18 | lan56 | faster responses too |
| 00:22.20 | Patlabor221 | I think there is a snarfer on |
| 00:22.26 | lan56 | patlabor221: updated guu? |
| 00:22.27 | Patlabor221 | she's on a faster computer |
| 00:22.29 | Patlabor221 | on a T1 |
| 00:22.30 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:22.32 | tango_ | lemme guess |
| 00:22.35 | tango_ | guu is a bot? |
| 00:22.39 | lan56 | no |
| 00:22.40 | lan56 | a hot chick |
| 00:22.41 | a_monkey | im experimenting with an irc channel... can anybody try 2 connect 2 #macmaniacz |
| 00:22.43 | lan56 | I hear |
| 00:22.43 | freakazoid | should bzflag work on a 24 bit display with glx indirect rendering? |
| 00:22.46 | a_monkey | ? |
| 00:22.47 | Patlabor221 | guu gender |
| 00:22.47 | Guu | Im all woman baby |
| 00:22.51 | lan56 | you see :) |
| 00:22.52 | tango_ | rotfl yeah sure |
| 00:22.53 | a_monkey | want to see if it works |
| 00:23.02 | tango_ | Guu: what are you wearing? |
| 00:23.02 | Guu | Wish I knew. |
| 00:23.05 | tango_ | rotfl |
| 00:23.07 | lan56 | I guess since guu has been updated, she is a hot 20 year old chick now :) |
| 00:23.07 | tango_ | auhauhauhuahuhaha |
| 00:23.22 | Patlabor221 | freakazoid, it should work with any openGL context, but it all depends on your driver/gl setup |
| 00:23.30 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: ok |
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| 00:24.49 | freakazoid | X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) |
| 00:24.49 | freakazoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.49 | freakazoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.49 | freakazoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.49 | freakazoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.54 | freakazoid | not good |
| 00:24.58 | freakazoid | that's what I get when I try using 24 bits |
| 00:25.12 | freakazoid | insufficient resources is interesting |
| 00:26.06 | Patlabor221 | sounds like you got issues |
| 00:26.19 | Patlabor221 | perhaps the windows drivers would be better |
| 00:26.21 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: No shit |
| 00:26.26 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: bastard |
| 00:26.34 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: Xvfb on Windows? |
| 00:26.42 | freakazoid | This is a headless bzflag :) |
| 00:27.18 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 00:27.19 | lan56 | watch the language and insults :) |
| 00:27.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:27.23 | freakazoid | sorry |
| 00:27.27 | freakazoid | headless |
| 00:27.33 | Patlabor221 | hey it's not my fault you have gl issues |
| 00:27.38 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: it's an in-game webcam |
| 00:27.43 | Patlabor221 | if it's headless when what do you care about driver for? |
| 00:27.45 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: this is not related to any of my gl issues |
| 00:27.47 | Patlabor221 | umm ok |
| 00:27.56 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: Completely different machine |
| 00:28.01 | Patlabor221 | sounds like whatever thing it's doing can't do a 24 bit context |
| 00:28.15 | Patlabor221 | and I still bet the windows driver would be better :) |
| 00:28.31 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: You try making a headless bzflag under windows |
| 00:29.00 | Patlabor221 | umm ok |
| 00:29.05 | Patlabor221 | it woudn't be hard |
| 00:29.11 | Patlabor221 | just don't ever flip |
| 00:29.15 | Patlabor221 | and render to a texture |
| 00:29.25 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: except I'm doing this entirely with shell scripts |
| 00:29.26 | Patlabor221 | then scan the texture down to whatever you want to output |
| 00:29.31 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:29.34 | Patlabor221 | the hard way then |
| 00:30.33 | Patlabor221 | if you changed the render target then it could use 3d hardware if the system had it |
| 00:30.37 | Patlabor221 | and be wicked fast |
| 00:30.46 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: there is no 3d hardware |
| 00:30.54 | Patlabor221 | but I'm saying IF there was |
| 00:30.57 | Patlabor221 | it could use it |
| 00:31.09 | Patlabor221 | a more general solution |
| 00:31.15 | Patlabor221 | not a script hack |
| 00:31.28 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: go ahead |
| 00:31.44 | Patlabor221 | for what reason? |
| 00:31.55 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: Well, I'm doing it to make an in-game webcam |
| 00:31.59 | Patlabor221 | who would want to watch a webcam, when it's simple to observer |
| 00:32.08 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: Just for fun |
| 00:32.18 | Patlabor221 | what ever floats your boat man :) |
| 00:32.25 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: You can have a thumbnail of the current game by the server stats, for example |
| 00:32.55 | Patlabor221 | build a software client into the server, have it generate the image and be it's own webserver |
| 00:32.58 | Patlabor221 | that would be slick |
| 00:33.02 | Patlabor221 | then it's generate on demand |
| 00:33.25 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: yeah, but it would be a lot more work than my hack |
| 00:33.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah it would |
| 00:34.02 | Patlabor221 | generaly the things you work for are better :) |
| 00:34.45 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: http://www.chaosring.org/bzcam.html |
| 00:34.59 | Patlabor221 | I saw it |
| 00:35.08 | Patlabor221 | when you firs posted |
| 00:35.12 | freakazoid | Patlabor221: It renders in high quality now |
| 00:35.20 | Patlabor221 | I know I saw |
| 00:35.25 | freakazoid | ok |
| 00:35.39 | freakazoid | Can bzflag do a depth < 640x480? |
| 00:35.57 | freakazoid | I'm thinking a smaller image would be a good idea |
| 00:36.57 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 00:37.11 | Patlabor221 | it can do down to like 192x80 or something stupid like that |
| 00:38.04 | freakazoid | cool |
| 00:38.16 | Patlabor221 | use -geometry |
| 00:38.25 | Patlabor221 | then the size |
| 00:38.29 | Patlabor221 | like 320x240 |
| 00:38.40 | freakazoid | I'm going to actually change the size of the x display |
| 00:39.27 | freakazoid | heh |
| 00:39.37 | freakazoid | need to change the size of the window as well:) |
| 00:39.43 | CIA-9 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10soundmanager/include/soundmanager.h: init fmod in the sound manager |
| 00:39.48 | freakazoid | I got the upper left corner |
| 00:40.02 | CIA-9 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10soundmanager/src/soundmanager.cpp: init fmod in the sound manager |
| 00:40.35 | CIA-9 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10soundmanager/vc7.1/soundmanager.vcproj: init fmod in the sound manager |
| 00:40.50 | Patlabor221 | well have fun with that |
| 00:41.02 | lan56 | patlabor221: you know, tortoise CVS can commit multiple files in different directories |
| 00:41.15 | Patlabor221 | lan56, yes, that's not the problem |
| 00:41.30 | Patlabor221 | each commit from SF is sent to CIA as a seperate message |
| 00:41.37 | Patlabor221 | CIA waits some time betwwen them |
| 00:41.50 | lan56 | I've seen it say multiple file and dir commits tho |
| 00:41.50 | Patlabor221 | so if a big commit goes over the time it thinks it's seperate |
| 00:41.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:42.07 | Patlabor221 | for OC it combines all that come in withing 30 secs |
| 00:42.18 | lan56 | ahh, I see. |
| 00:43.26 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 00:44.44 | freakazoid | oops |
| 00:44.53 | freakazoid | woo! how cute! |
| 00:45.00 | freakazoid | http://www.chaosring.org/bzcam.html |
| 00:45.04 | freakazoid | nice for thumbnails |
| 00:45.27 | freakazoid | probably best to turn off the scores |
| 00:46.01 | lan56 | what does bzcam do that observer doesn't? looks like bzcam is just a callsign from that photo |
| 00:46.36 | freakazoid | lan56: bzcam is just a set of scripts that runs bzflag headless and makes snapshots every 20 seconds |
| 00:46.52 | lan56 | I see. what does headless mean? |
| 00:47.02 | freakazoid | lan56: with no screen or keyboard or mouse |
| 00:47.13 | lan56 | ahh, somewhat like a bot. I see. |
| 00:47.32 | freakazoid | I just wanted to be able to generate thumbnails of what was going on on the server |
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| 00:57.36 | trepan | from /. : http://www.conferencebike.com/index.html |
| 00:58.11 | trepan | learner: you should line one up for the next SIGGRAPH |
| 00:58.29 | freakazoid | hrrm, a vector graphics rendering target for opengl would be most awesome |
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| 01:05.20 | trepan | freakazoid: you seen the wireframe or hiddenline modes in 1.11.x? |
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| 01:09.23 | [Prez|Kennedy] | mmmmm soylent green |
| 01:12.15 | freakazoid | trepan: You're asking because I have a Radeon 7500? |
| 01:12.45 | freakazoid | trepan: Sorry, I've misread |
| 01:12.49 | freakazoid | trepan: No, i haven't |
| 01:12.56 | trepan | no, because a 'vector graphics rendering target' for OpenGL would be an amazing waste of time, and those two modes are probably what you are looking for |
| 01:13.13 | freakazoid | trepan: I wanted to be able to output SVG or SWF files |
| 01:13.21 | freakazoid | trepan: Those modes wouldn't help with that |
| 01:13.31 | trepan | then a bzflag SVG rendering target would be more sensible |
| 01:14.03 | freakazoid | all you'd really have to do is transform all the polys into 2d and write them to the file from back to front |
| 01:14.34 | trepan | freakazoid: that's already done by the various transformation matrices |
| 01:14.50 | freakazoid | trepan: Right, but write them as SVG paths |
| 01:15.07 | trepan | are you trying to get smaller files? |
| 01:15.13 | trepan | turned off texturing... |
| 01:15.39 | freakazoid | I suppose turning off texturing would make a big difference in file size |
| 01:15.55 | trepan | run length compression should certainly be improved |
| 01:16.20 | trepan | as well as any frequency content stuff (a la jpeg) |
| 01:17.49 | freakazoid | Heh, the frame rate in vnc is even reasonable with textures turned off |
| 01:18.46 | freakazoid | interframe coding would help a lot too |
| 01:18.53 | trepan | try disabling blending and smoothing too, might help with the color variation |
| 01:20.08 | freakazoid | hmmm, can't really tell the difference |
| 01:20.13 | trepan | in file size? |
| 01:20.29 | freakazoid | well, in what it looks like |
| 01:20.46 | freakazoid | It's only 8239 bytes now though |
| 01:20.52 | freakazoid | not sure what it was before, but it was certainly bigger |
| 01:21.24 | trepan | try jpeg instead of png |
| 01:21.34 | freakazoid | 8k is plenty small |
| 01:21.43 | freakazoid | not worth the loss in quality to go smaller than that IMHO |
| 01:22.00 | freakazoid | especially since all the sharp lines won't look good in jpeg and the fonts are hard enough to read already |
| 01:22.02 | trepan | barely any loss in quality, and it already looks pretty bad... |
| 01:22.18 | freakazoid | as I said, 8k is plenty small |
| 01:22.37 | freakazoid | if I were streaming it, jpeg would make more sense |
| 01:22.53 | freakazoid | the clock would become unreadable with jpeg |
| 01:24.13 | trepan | actually, my jpegs are turning out bigger (pnmtojpeg) |
| 01:38.21 | freakazoid | not too surprizing |
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| 01:54.53 | a_monkey | you can see my text right guys? |
| 01:54.59 | a_monkey | this is an experiment |
| 01:55.04 | a_monkey | im sure u can |
| 01:55.13 | a_monkey | just answer if you can't... :) |
| 01:55.53 | scanline | trepan: hmm, that's weird |
| 01:56.39 | freakazoid | a_monkey: I can't see your text |
| 01:56.50 | a_monkey | good |
| 01:56.53 | freakazoid | anyway, time to go |
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| 01:57.35 | scanline | freakazoid: text? |
| 01:57.37 | scanline | bah |
| 02:00.53 | trepan | scanline: it's probably due to the high run-length factor that you get without textures |
| 02:01.12 | trepan | with textures on, it'd most likely be the other way around |
| 02:01.15 | scanline | ah |
| 02:01.17 | scanline | no textures |
| 02:01.30 | scanline | it'd be cool to have a way to use opengl feedback to save svg screenshots |
| 02:01.38 | scanline | but you'd have to be really bored to implement that |
| 02:02.01 | trepan | the a bmptosvg or something lying about the net somewhere |
| 02:02.04 | trepan | s/the/there's |
| 02:02.15 | scanline | heh, of course you could run it through a tracing program |
| 02:02.29 | scanline | but if you actually converted the polys and lines and such to primitives in an svg, you'd have a scalable image |
| 02:02.54 | scanline | tracing programs suck at photographic-like images usually |
| 02:03.05 | scanline | and you wouldn't want it tracing the textures themselves |
| 02:06.30 | trepan | if you want photographic like stuff, might as well stick to raster and use a ray-tracer ;) |
| 02:07.14 | trepan | save the current game state and map, and generate from that |
| 02:09.49 | scanline | eh.. the point of an svg is that you can scale it to any resolution quickly and easily |
| 02:10.31 | scanline | when I said photographic, I just meant that bzflag's output is closer to a photograph than a line drawing, and tracing programs don't usually work well then |
| 02:10.59 | trepan | i fully understand the point of an svg |
| 02:11.19 | scanline | so how would a raytracer help? :P |
| 02:11.37 | trepan | read your second point, you brought up photographic quality |
| 02:12.00 | trepan | svg is not amenable to good recreation of the textures |
| 02:12.31 | scanline | heh. what I was saying is that bzflag's output isn't something you can just trace into an svg (I assume that's what bmptosvg would do?) |
| 02:12.39 | scanline | svg does let you include images |
| 02:12.53 | trepan | perspective correction included? |
| 02:13.18 | scanline | not sure |
| 02:13.54 | scanline | trepan: this is an incredibly silly conversation |
| 02:14.01 | trepan | damn straight ;) |
| 02:14.07 | scanline | :) |
| 02:28.10 | Aribeth | better add some actain boost to it's fuel |
| 02:28.19 | Aribeth | octain* |
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| 04:18.58 | sgk284 | wow lets make bzflag into a cartoon series: http://inkulator.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:19.03 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 04:19.46 | sgk284 | everyone must be partying during their crazy friday nights |
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| 04:29.31 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): another day, another dollar |
| 04:30.58 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/src/ogl/OpenGLGState.cxx: <string.h> -> <string> |
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| 04:57.48 | SportChick | hi ari |
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| 04:58.25 | trepan | lan56: why the <string.h> to <string> change? |
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| 04:58.55 | a_monkey | hey guys |
| 04:58.57 | lan56 | because the other openglxxx.cxx files had string rather than C string.h, and it is c++, just to get modern |
| 04:59.01 | a_monkey | i wanna know something |
| 04:59.06 | lan56 | a_monkey: yo my dog |
| 04:59.29 | a_monkey | how do you configure x-chat to automatically identify? |
| 04:59.42 | a_monkey | with irc.freenode.net |
| 05:00.02 | a_monkey | know identify my nick? |
| 05:00.17 | trepan | hmmm, ok. as OpenGLGstate.h has no std::string calls, but does have strncmp() calls, i can understand having just string.h |
| 05:00.30 | lan56 | go to "xchat" menu, select "server list", go to irc.freenode.net, check "edit mode" in that same window, and in the box saying "server command" or something like that, enter "/msg nickserv xxxxxx" |
| 05:00.36 | trepan | but under your philosophy, shouldn't you change all string.h to string? |
| 05:01.05 | lan56 | trepan: no need to get sarcastic, it works either way, just to get modern, if it causes trouble change it, let's not start an argument over something so simple |
| 05:01.09 | trepan | i count around 93 instances |
| 05:01.39 | DTRemenak | lan56: string and string.h are very different. string is for std::strings, cstring or string.h is for c-style char* strings |
| 05:01.39 | lan56 | I don't know, I saw it, I thought I could change it |
| 05:02.01 | lan56 | alright, then I'll change it |
| 05:02.30 | DTRemenak | cstring would be the "modern way" but for some reason we don't use c* headers. probably compiler support or lack thereof. |
| 05:03.12 | purple_cow | DTRemenak: probably historic. should check whether VC++, sunw and mipspro support it |
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| 05:03.44 | DTRemenak | vc5 does - not sure about the others |
| 05:04.10 | purple_cow | i wonder if we even build on solaris without gcc now |
| 05:04.14 | DTRemenak | we do :) |
| 05:04.24 | purple_cow | ok |
| 05:04.27 | DTRemenak | or at least, we did a couple weeks ago |
| 05:04.28 | trepan | gcc2.95 has <cstring> |
| 05:05.52 | lan56 | it would be nice if a_monkey could tell me if it worked :) |
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| 05:57.56 | lan56 | heh, that's an interesting one: usc vs. ucla college football |
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| 06:24.09 | learner | ~quol |
| 06:25.09 | qwerty | ooH |
| 06:32.15 | learner | last time I checked, the c* headers were buggy/wrong in my mipspro install whereas the .h's worked fine -- that was a couple years ago, and might have been specific to some particular bug.. but the .h's definitely worked "right" |
| 06:33.06 | trepan | slept yet? |
| 06:33.13 | learner | i have a recollection of a couple c* headers missing too.. but that might have been a different system |
| 06:33.18 | learner | slept? |
| 06:33.21 | learner | heck no |
| 06:33.24 | learner | been tankin' |
| 06:33.29 | learner | ;away |
| 06:33.56 | Aribeth | must be the octain booter |
| 06:34.01 | lan56 | how many hours have you been awake straight, learner? |
| 06:34.44 | learner | ~dict octain |
| 06:34.57 | trepan | learner: kinda reminds of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer takes the car out for a test drive, and goes until they're outta gas |
| 06:35.04 | Aribeth | octane* |
| 06:35.14 | trepan | wonder how far you'll get? =) |
| 06:35.24 | learner | mm.. since 7am day before yesterday? |
| 06:35.31 | learner | at that night was on 4 hours sleep |
| 06:36.36 | learner | trepan, reminds me more of the other episode where everyone tries to "abstain the longest" |
| 06:36.43 | lan56 | heh |
| 06:36.59 | Aribeth | yawn |
| 06:37.02 | learner | mm.. octane.. |
| 06:37.07 | learner | foodage could be good |
| 06:37.22 | learner | ari, you're west coast yes? |
| 06:37.29 | Aribeth | yup |
| 06:37.38 | learner | socal? |
| 06:37.52 | Aribeth | mid |
| 06:37.56 | Aribeth | CA |
| 06:38.24 | lan56 | pfft, central valley type :) |
| 06:38.37 | Aribeth | nope |
| 06:38.47 | learner | i was going to take a hot bath.. but I'd bet I'd fall asleep in it |
| 06:39.11 | learner | i am pretty thristy, though |
| 06:39.56 | learner | hey, it's a MBFG |
| 06:40.15 | learner | and the poo |
| 06:40.43 | lan56 | is that a wild or domestic MBFG? ;) |
| 06:41.15 | learner | he's a noble steed |
| 06:49.50 | lan56 | http://flyawaysimulation.com/modules.php?name=My_eGallery&do=showpic&pid=2719&orderby=hitsD <- that's even nicer than real life I'd say |
| 07:10.14 | lan56 | g'night learner |
| 07:10.17 | Aribeth | ahh, rest is good |
| 07:10.27 | Aribeth | g'night |
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