| 00:02.31 | amathis | UT / GATORS ON RIGHT NOW! |
| 00:02.32 | amathis | w00t! |
| 00:03.22 | nilson | amathis, no, that's just my little quit message :-) |
| 00:03.58 | RPG | ok, i'm back |
| 00:04.01 | RPG | amathis, im back |
| 00:04.10 | RPG | i think it's a router thing |
| 00:04.24 | poxy | "im back" ... are you slim? |
| 00:04.26 | poxy | and shady? :P |
| 00:04.45 | RPG | i've heard a few of slim shady songs... don't know that one |
| 00:06.01 | amathis | huh? |
| 00:06.03 | amathis | rap sucks |
| 00:06.25 | RPG | a little is ok |
| 00:06.35 | RPG | so. does anybody know about the router? |
| 00:06.43 | RPG | would getting a different router be better? |
| 00:06.59 | RPG | woah, the question marks are completely aligned |
| 00:07.02 | amathis | RPG, did you not listen at all? |
| 00:07.12 | RPG | amathis, probably not |
| 00:07.16 | poxy | no, they arent, RPG , for a fixed size font |
| 00:07.23 | RPG | oh |
| 00:07.26 | poxy | RPG: then its no use to try to help |
| 00:07.30 | fiberchunks | RPG, imho, any router that isn't linksys is good, but that's 'cause I've had a couple of their products, and never anything but trouble -- just my .02 (and it prob. isn't even worth that much :) ) |
| 00:07.42 | amathis | if you can connect to the server from the actaul server box but cannot from another on the LAN, it is not the router |
| 00:07.50 | amathis | it is something like a firewall on the server box |
| 00:07.55 | RPG | oh |
| 00:08.22 | RPG | well the server was working fine with people from all over the world playing on it, then i plugged in 98, and it stopped working |
| 00:08.38 | poxy | are they both set to the same ip? |
| 00:08.43 | RPG | dont know |
| 00:08.57 | amathis | RPG, is a firewall running? |
| 00:09.22 | RPG | it is on XP, but i configured it to let 5156 go thourgh, on 98, i don't think so |
| 00:09.40 | amathis | check |
| 00:09.51 | poxy | you're being really vague |
| 00:09.56 | poxy | and i believe the default port is 5154! |
| 00:10.07 | RPG | the server is set to 5156 |
| 00:10.30 | poxy | ok then |
| 00:10.50 | RPG | the local IP's are differnet for both PC's |
| 00:10.57 | poxy | that's good heh |
| 00:11.06 | RPG | one is .100 and the other is .101 |
| 00:11.17 | amathis | poxy, :) |
| 00:11.25 | poxy | what about the router's ip? |
| 00:11.48 | amathis | 24.15.87.171 |
| 00:11.51 | RPG | how do you check that |
| 00:11.52 | RPG | yes |
| 00:12.00 | RPG | thats sounds firmilair |
| 00:12.01 | poxy | check the default route |
| 00:12.06 | RPG | *sp |
| 00:12.15 | poxy | i meant the internal ip for the router |
| 00:12.19 | amathis | poxy, well, if he is connecting to irc from his LAN then the ip of his hostmask is going to be his router |
| 00:12.23 | amathis | poxy, ah |
| 00:12.31 | amathis | poxy, 192.168.254.254 ?? |
| 00:12.42 | RPG | cool. i have no clue |
| 00:12.44 | poxy | amathis: guessing is bad |
| 00:13.40 | poxy | start->run->cmd then type "route print 0.0.0.0" |
| 00:13.44 | amathis | poxy, XP is bad |
| 00:13.45 | amathis | :-D |
| 00:14.14 | amathis | FIRST DOWN TENNESSEE |
| 00:14.15 | amathis | :-D! |
| 00:14.16 | amathis | w00t |
| 00:14.26 | zer0`` | whats an IDE you can use for linux to compile bzflag ? |
| 00:14.27 | RPG | oh |
| 00:14.30 | RPG | a bunch of stuff |
| 00:14.41 | poxy | zer0``: there isnt any |
| 00:14.43 | amathis | zer0``, Dev-cpp |
| 00:14.47 | amathis | poxy, yes there is |
| 00:14.53 | poxy | what does it say the default gateway is? |
| 00:15.08 | amathis | zer0``, cvs? |
| 00:15.44 | RPG | cant find it, but ill keep looking |
| 00:15.44 | zer0`` | what's cvs do ? |
| 00:15.51 | zer0`` | i though it just downloaded files |
| 00:15.58 | amathis | oh |
| 00:16.01 | amathis | nvm then |
| 00:16.18 | RPG | oh! |
| 00:16.19 | amathis | in cvs there is a dev-cpp folder that has a .project file |
| 00:16.20 | RPG | sorry |
| 00:16.23 | poxy | RPG: route print 0.0.0.0 .. there should be a line that says "DEFAULT GATEWAY" and numbers under it |
| 00:16.23 | amathis | that will allow you to compile it |
| 00:16.26 | RPG | i spelled print wrong |
| 00:16.28 | zer0`` | cool |
| 00:16.30 | RPG | i'm so stupid |
| 00:16.33 | RPG | *ignorant |
| 00:16.40 | poxy | all you need to compile it is "./configure" and "make" |
| 00:16.44 | RPG | there we go! |
| 00:16.55 | RPG | 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:17.01 | poxy | ok that's cool |
| 00:17.06 | amathis | poxy, don't forget sh ./autogen.sh |
| 00:17.27 | poxy | amathis: forget what? |
| 00:18.54 | *** join/#bzflag Knights (www-data@c-24-1-104-25.client.comcast.net) |
| 00:19.25 | Knights | hi ppl |
| 00:19.39 | poxy | we're alive |
| 00:20.12 | Knights | hi poxy |
| 00:20.12 | amathis | Knights, we can read a clock |
| 00:20.15 | fiberchunks | congratulations |
| 00:20.19 | amathis | so why tell us when you are back? |
| 00:20.20 | Knights | lol |
| 00:20.27 | Knights | cuase |
| 00:20.41 | Knights | im stayin over at my grandparents tonight |
| 00:20.42 | amathis | even though you shortened that word, you still misspelled it. |
| 00:20.42 | RPG | it's 7:20, your clock is wrong. you should move to chi-town. the time is better here |
| 00:21.32 | Knights | i live in ny |
| 00:21.38 | RPG | oh. |
| 00:21.39 | amathis | I am sorry |
| 00:21.43 | poxy | long island? |
| 00:21.52 | amathis | that would explain a lot.. |
| 00:22.13 | Knights | now hour and a half east from rochester |
| 00:22.29 | Knights | 45 mins west of syracuse |
| 00:23.03 | poxy | hrm it looks like some stupid football game is on tv |
| 00:23.23 | Knights | lol i hate fotball |
| 00:23.29 | amathis | poxy, would that be TN vs Florida? |
| 00:23.33 | amathis | because that is not a stupid game |
| 00:23.37 | amathis | that is a rivalry |
| 00:23.48 | amathis | that is one of the best games in football |
| 00:23.53 | amathis | that is Big Orange :) |
| 00:23.58 | Knights | hey dont say tn is stupid i lived in tn |
| 00:24.07 | fiberchunks | if they weren't all rivalries, then there would be no reason to play :) |
| 00:24.10 | amathis | Knights, where? |
| 00:24.19 | Knights | knoxville |
| 00:24.22 | amathis | oh |
| 00:24.28 | amathis | Knights, what street? |
| 00:24.32 | amathis | er, part of town |
| 00:24.33 | Knights | lol |
| 00:24.33 | poxy | fort knox doesnt hold any substantial amount of gold |
| 00:25.06 | Knights | yeah it dose |
| 00:25.09 | amathis | Knights, what part of town? |
| 00:25.14 | Knights | lots of it |
| 00:25.16 | Knights | umm |
| 00:25.23 | Knights | east side |
| 00:25.32 | amathis | Knights, near maryville? |
| 00:25.44 | Knights | yup |
| 00:25.57 | amathis | so you are near the smokies? |
| 00:26.03 | Knights | yup |
| 00:26.07 | amathis | that is not knoxville |
| 00:26.18 | *** join/#bzflag _Scorch_ (www-data@c-24-1-104-25.client.comcast.net) |
| 00:26.28 | Knights | yes it |
| 00:26.30 | amathis | knoxville is a good 40 minutes outta mountains |
| 00:26.39 | amathis | at least 30. |
| 00:26.40 | learner | w00t! |
| 00:26.41 | Knights | yes i know |
| 00:26.46 | learner | masterban subcommands are good to go |
| 00:27.03 | amathis | Knights, which is it? knoxville or maryville? or neither |
| 00:27.17 | learner | margaritaville |
| 00:27.21 | _Scorch_ | hi |
| 00:27.26 | _Scorch_ | man |
| 00:27.27 | Knights | amathis dont try 2 win this i live their 4 12 years |
| 00:27.31 | fiberchunks | pleasantville |
| 00:27.33 | _Scorch_ | why is the web interface soooo slow |
| 00:27.39 | _Scorch_ | i am using http://db.bzflag.org/irc/irc.cg |
| 00:27.41 | amathis | Knights, dear god man,do you own a dictionary? |
| 00:27.44 | _Scorch_ | and i cant c what u say |
| 00:27.46 | learner | _Scorch_, get a non-web irc client |
| 00:27.53 | _Scorch_ | it only updates once in a while |
| 00:27.53 | fiberchunks | like xchat |
| 00:28.17 | poxy | http://psychonut.dyndns.org:443/dict |
| 00:28.18 | Knights | i had xchat |
| 00:28.21 | learner | http://irchelp.org/ |
| 00:28.22 | amathis | Knights, I happen to live in TN also. |
| 00:28.36 | Knights | WAHHHH |
| 00:28.40 | JBdiGriz | fiberchunks: just got back from finishing the network wiring, glad you're back up |
| 00:28.47 | _Scorch_ | i give up it's to slow |
| 00:28.47 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 00:28.57 | Knights | scorch |
| 00:29.08 | fiberchunks | ... is gone |
| 00:29.13 | learner | so now there is a masterban list|reload|flush |
| 00:29.32 | Knights | amathis |
| 00:29.37 | amathis | Knights |
| 00:29.38 | Knights | were in t |
| 00:29.44 | Knights | tn |
| 00:29.59 | amathis | Knights, I live in many places |
| 00:30.06 | Knights | lol |
| 00:30.12 | Knights | what part |
| 00:30.17 | amathis | Knights, guess what city. |
| 00:30.26 | Knights | knoxville |
| 00:30.36 | amathis | no, here is a clue |
| 00:30.41 | Knights | o |
| 00:30.44 | Knights | k |
| 00:30.53 | amathis | this city has the highest proportion of african americans then any other city in the country |
| 00:31.08 | Knights | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:31.12 | Knights | uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:31.33 | Knights | cock county |
| 00:31.35 | amathis | if you do not get this right, I am going to die. |
| 00:31.39 | amathis | Knights, what? |
| 00:31.58 | Knights | cock county u live in cock county |
| 00:32.10 | amathis | county != city |
| 00:32.15 | amathis | what grade are you in? |
| 00:32.23 | Knights | uhh 6th |
| 00:32.35 | amathis | so you should've covered that.. |
| 00:32.45 | amathis | what city |
| 00:32.46 | learner | bryjen: weee.. just over 200 lines to rewrite it all |
| 00:33.02 | poxy | http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/fles13.html (regarding FDR's deliberate devaluation of our $) |
| 00:33.07 | amathis | and no, it is not in 'cock county' |
| 00:33.15 | Knights | ummm |
| 00:33.25 | Knights | alco |
| 00:33.28 | amathis | there are three major cities in the whole state |
| 00:33.30 | amathis | c'mon |
| 00:33.36 | Knights | ohhhhhhh |
| 00:33.39 | Knights | nashville |
| 00:33.44 | amathis | no >_< |
| 00:33.51 | Knights | moris city |
| 00:33.55 | amathis | WTF |
| 00:34.00 | fiberchunks | who cares? |
| 00:34.02 | amathis | moris city is not a major urban area |
| 00:34.12 | Knights | i give up |
| 00:34.18 | amathis | :-D |
| 00:34.24 | amathis | Knights, memphis |
| 00:34.32 | Knights | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 00:34.38 | Knights | im a dunce |
| 00:34.45 | amathis | ok, I have abused the channel enough for the week.. |
| 00:37.35 | amathis | Knights, why don't you get a client? |
| 00:37.51 | amathis | are you afraid that Pat can finally ban you or something? |
| 00:38.07 | learner | that's right, you're supposed to be on probation |
| 00:38.15 | amathis | oops |
| 00:38.18 | learner | go get a non-cgi irc client |
| 00:38.35 | poxy | http://www.fff.org/freedom/0700f.asp |
| 00:38.40 | amathis | Knights, http://xchat.org |
| 00:38.40 | poxy | more outrageous stuff |
| 00:39.08 | learner | Knights, yes please -- it's really simple to download and install -- we'll all be thankfull to some extent |
| 00:39.35 | Knights | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.42 | Knights | 0 |
| 00:40.02 | learner | fiberchunks, for "known" people .. cgi::irc is good stuff -- there's usually a reason, i use it myself when i have to |
| 00:40.12 | amathis | touchdown TN :) |
| 00:40.49 | fiberchunks | poxy, a lot of 'tax protester' groups state the devaluation of the gold and silver standards as one of the primary things that started the 'downfall' of this country, tax / income wise. |
| 00:41.10 | poxy | http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/fdr.html |
| 00:42.36 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 00:43.07 | fiberchunks | learner, like, can cgi::irc be used from db.whatever to get here _only_ if you have a registered user name (and therefore know your nick password, etc, etc) -- course, it'll only keep the ignorant munchkins at bay, not the persistent munchkins :) |
| 00:44.10 | learner | not really |
| 00:44.21 | learner | the channel can be limited to registered altogether |
| 00:44.32 | learner | but that really would cut down on new traffic :) |
| 00:44.51 | poxy | hrm i wouldnt want you to limit it to registered users only |
| 00:44.56 | learner | hello |
| 00:45.21 | amathis | hi |
| 00:45.21 | learner | don't worry, that wouldn't be a "good idea" for many reasons |
| 00:45.23 | amathis | :) |
| 00:46.02 | fiberchunks | mm, new traffic, indeed |
| 00:46.15 | *** join/#bzflag Frostilicus (~chatzilla@h00010323b3b8.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 00:46.31 | poxy | mm == marilyn manson |
| 00:46.34 | fiberchunks | oh, no no no, not the channel, the cgi::irc script itself |
| 00:46.56 | fiberchunks | marilyn monroe, michael moore, etc |
| 00:47.07 | learner | i'm sure it could be hacked up to do some sort of lookup.. but it'd be troublesome |
| 00:47.26 | fiberchunks | just thoughts from a bad mind :) |
| 00:50.44 | poxy | http://www.theawaregroup.com/redemptionoverview.htm (fdr & treason) |
| 00:52.26 | Frostilicus | where might i be able to find out something like projected dates for future releases of bzflag? |
| 00:52.44 | poxy | Frostilicus: releases of bzflag usually come out when they're ready |
| 00:52.50 | fiberchunks | in here is the best place, but the dates are not firm ... ever |
| 00:53.04 | fiberchunks | until it's really close to a release, anyway |
| 00:53.46 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (AccessControlList.h AccessControlList.cxx): add a masterban permission.. |
| 00:53.48 | Frostilicus | okay, that's what i figured, I'm just eagerly awaiting joystick support as I imagine a lot of people are |
| 00:54.12 | Tupone | not me, I already have :) |
| 00:54.47 | Frostilicus | Tupone: how so? |
| 00:55.05 | Tupone | I did it :) |
| 00:55.45 | Frostilicus | you coded it? |
| 00:56.07 | zer0`` | how does CIA-4 know that stuff |
| 00:56.17 | Tupone | only integrated new code on bzflag |
| 00:56.21 | learner | CIA knows all |
| 00:58.52 | Frostilicus | Tupone: so you've just written your own joystick input code for bzflag? |
| 00:59.13 | learner | dang it -- that's the wrong commit message! |
| 00:59.44 | learner | that's not a new permission -- that's a routine to return a vector of who is on the master ban list |
| 01:01.26 | Tupone | my code is in cvs now. You normally just write glue to code others has written |
| 01:01.53 | *** join/#bzflag Knights (www-data@c-24-1-104-25.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:01.58 | Tupone | :( |
| 01:02.05 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (5 files): |
| 01:02.06 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: rewrite the masterban command interface to consolidate the two masterbanflush |
| 01:02.06 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: and masterbanreload commands into a single masterban command with two |
| 01:02.06 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: subcommands (flush and *gasp* reload).. also add another subcommand "list" that |
| 01:02.06 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: reports just who is on the list. while we're at it, clean up the debug levels |
| 01:02.06 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: and output wording. |
| 01:02.08 | amathis | Knights, get xchat yet? |
| 01:02.17 | learner | no he didn't |
| 01:02.35 | Knights | ok ppl |
| 01:02.36 | amathis | learner, well, I know he is still on cgi, but did he actually download it |
| 01:02.45 | amathis | Knights, ok 'people' |
| 01:03.33 | learner | Knights, did you run into trouble? |
| 01:03.34 | Tupone | amathis: I think the bill he gets is based on number of letters |
| 01:03.54 | amathis | Tupone, huh? |
| 01:03.59 | poxy | hrm a unified banlist |
| 01:04.15 | Tupone | is shortening the word, cause he pays per chars :) |
| 01:04.18 | Frostilicus | Tupone: so how close might you think it is to getting released in a stable version? |
| 01:04.22 | amathis | Tupone, ah! |
| 01:04.26 | amathis | Tupone, heh :-D |
| 01:04.47 | Tupone | my best guess is 12/25 |
| 01:04.58 | Frostilicus | or should i just go ahead and try the latest cvs version? |
| 01:05.00 | Knights | im going 2 bed ok im stayin on all night long ok people r going 2 leave me messages so dont read them pleaze ok they will be importen ok |
| 01:05.03 | Frostilicus | yeah |
| 01:05.07 | Tupone | I can't guess the year :( |
| 01:05.11 | poxy | Tupone: how about "3% more finished than yesterday" |
| 01:05.14 | Frostilicus | ha |
| 01:05.37 | Knights | y is everyone asking me 2 get xchat |
| 01:05.52 | poxy | I think Knights is deliberately trolling :( |
| 01:05.53 | Tupone | Frostilicus: last version is not compatible with current servers |
| 01:05.54 | learner | Knights, do you "really" want to know all the reasons? |
| 01:06.04 | Knights | yes i would |
| 01:06.30 | amathis | Knights, I am surprised you did not say 'wuld' |
| 01:06.31 | poxy | I have my 10shot server running 1.10 and 1.11 |
| 01:06.35 | fiberchunks | wood |
| 01:06.39 | poxy | woody |
| 01:06.49 | amathis | poxy, ... in the gutter |
| 01:07.02 | learner | well, for one it lets us identify you properly -- regular users should not be using cgi::irc |
| 01:07.11 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage_ (carn@dyn216-8-133-216.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 01:07.12 | Frostilicus | Tupone: is thefe a version which has joystick and works with current servers? |
| 01:07.50 | Knights | am i able 2 look at the banlist |
| 01:07.59 | Tupone | no, but there are some patch someone put on sf |
| 01:08.48 | Knights | w/e im going 2 go 2 bed now |
| 01:08.53 | learner | Knights, otherwise even the cgi::irc will be disabled |
| 01:09.18 | amathis | Knights, w/e? |
| 01:09.33 | fiberchunks | well, everybody |
| 01:09.37 | learner | Knights, generally only people avoiding bans have to resort to cgi::irc -- and if that's the case, then the person is not welcome |
| 01:09.53 | learner | so without a real client, you have zero-trust from us for the most part |
| 01:09.58 | learner | at least from me |
| 01:10.02 | *** join/#bzflag DudetheCreator (www-data@c-24-1-104-25.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:10.07 | fiberchunks | und mich auch |
| 01:10.13 | DudetheCreator | hello? |
| 01:10.18 | tea|tree_ | fischy |
| 01:10.19 | Knights | ok sry how do i do this |
| 01:10.22 | tea|tree_ | DudetheCreator hbola |
| 01:10.23 | fiberchunks | but I matter not :) |
| 01:10.25 | tea|tree_ | hola! |
| 01:10.29 | DudetheCreator | hello? |
| 01:10.33 | tea|tree_ | hehe fiberchunks 3:10 am :o) |
| 01:10.39 | tea|tree_ | DudetheCreator hello :) |
| 01:10.40 | poxy | I think this is that codependent person that was on earlier |
| 01:10.43 | learner | Knights, download xchat from xchat.org and install it |
| 01:11.00 | fiberchunks | tea|tree_, GMT is 0700 :) |
| 01:11.03 | *** join/#bzflag webuser09 (~18a5b40c@reladm.kharkov.net) |
| 01:11.03 | Knights | www.xchat.org |
| 01:11.06 | fiberchunks | or so |
| 01:11.30 | learner | Knights, yes |
| 01:11.41 | webuser09 | i c ppl! |
| 01:11.45 | webuser09 | j/k... :-D |
| 01:12.00 | amathis | gah |
| 01:12.07 | amathis | what is up with cgi today? |
| 01:12.55 | *** topic/#bzflag by learner -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || server usage graphs http://bzflag.bz/usage/ || http://members.rogers.com/trepan/screenies/balloons.jpg || http://members.rogers.com/trepan/screenies/arcs.jpg || Munchkin alert level: 2 |
| 01:13.11 | amathis | :-D |
| 01:13.24 | amathis | is that like 'terror alert level' |
| 01:13.28 | amathis | ? |
| 01:13.41 | learner | more like defcon alert levels |
| 01:13.46 | bryjen | not unless you're afraid of munchkins |
| 01:13.48 | bryjen | ;) |
| 01:14.00 | amathis | bryjen, :-D |
| 01:14.33 | webuser09 | a ne1 play Halo heer |
| 01:14.55 | poxy | webuser09: learn how to spell: http://psychonut.dyndns.org:443/dict |
| 01:15.07 | webuser09 | i can speel |
| 01:16.17 | webuser09 | wy is noone talkin????!?! |
| 01:16.22 | Frostilicus | Tupone: what are you currently using for joystick support that allows you to connect to current servers? |
| 01:16.30 | learner | webuser09, no Halo here.. bzflag |
| 01:16.44 | webuser09 | wuts bzflag |
| 01:16.54 | learner | http://bzflag.org -- download and play |
| 01:16.54 | webuser09 | a game |
| 01:16.55 | webuser09 | ? |
| 01:17.00 | learner | yes |
| 01:17.04 | learner | go try it |
| 01:17.11 | learner | hurry quick.. |
| 01:17.12 | webuser09 | kk |
| 01:17.15 | poxy | I think today has had the highest number of clueless people and trolls i've seen here yet |
| 01:17.18 | learner | before they remove the download link! |
| 01:17.26 | bryjen | is that a silly question in #bzflag ? |
| 01:17.28 | tea|tree_ | fiberchunks am pm? |
| 01:17.35 | amathis | learner, hahaha, it worked! |
| 01:17.40 | tea|tree_ | pm .. i supose.. |
| 01:17.48 | fiberchunks | for you it would be, I meant |
| 01:18.03 | fiberchunks | for me, it's 12:30 am tomorrow GMT :) |
| 01:18.27 | learner | hrm |
| 01:18.27 | Tupone | Frostilicus: forget it, wait for the next |
| 01:18.29 | Knights | did it work |
| 01:18.44 | amathis | Knights, did what work? |
| 01:18.46 | learner | i think it was probably a little evil to return a std::vector<std::pair<std::string, std::string> > in hindsight =) |
| 01:18.47 | *** join/#bzflag MeBigFatGuy (dave@balt-209-150-116-3.dynamic-dial.qis.net) |
| 01:18.59 | learner | w00t, MBFG :) |
| 01:19.02 | MeBigFatGuy | heya |
| 01:19.17 | learner | horsies faring the wind well enough? |
| 01:19.19 | Frostilicus | Tupone: yeah... that's what i figured, thanks :-) |
| 01:19.35 | *** topic/#bzflag by amathis -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || server usage graphs http://bzflag.bz/usage/ || http://members.rogers.com/trepan/screenies/balloons.jpg || http://members.rogers.com/trepan/screenies/arcs.jpg || Munchkin alert level: 1 |
| 01:19.35 | MeBigFatGuy | seem to be |
| 01:19.44 | amathis | :-0 |
| 01:19.55 | *** join/#bzflag Knights (www-data@c-24-1-104-25.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:19.59 | MeBigFatGuy | they actually like the wind, as it remove bugs |
| 01:20.09 | learner | ahh, good :) |
| 01:20.18 | learner | Knights, did you download it? |
| 01:20.23 | Knights | yeah |
| 01:20.28 | learner | and install it? |
| 01:20.39 | Knights | installed it how |
| 01:20.46 | Knights | ? |
| 01:21.00 | *** join/#bzflag webuser85 (~18a5b40c@reladm.kharkov.net) |
| 01:21.02 | learner | you ever install software before? |
| 01:21.09 | fiberchunks | by double clicking on the thing you downloaded, I would wager |
| 01:21.23 | amathis | i wuz 2 late learner |
| 01:21.30 | amathis | haha |
| 01:21.37 | amathis | it sounds horrible when I speak like that |
| 01:21.45 | amathis | i c |
| 01:21.46 | learner | amathis: level 0 means war .. not sure if you went in the right direction |
| 01:21.47 | amathis | >_< |
| 01:21.48 | Knights | |
| 01:21.55 | amathis | learner, ohh |
| 01:21.57 | Knights | c |
| 01:21.59 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@dialup-4.233.38.220.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 01:22.03 | amathis | hi lan56 |
| 01:22.04 | Knights | bye |
| 01:22.08 | lan56 | amathis: hey |
| 01:22.10 | amathis | bye Knights |
| 01:22.14 | lan56 | cya |
| 01:22.42 | lan56 | let's check if anybody responded about the wikipedia article |
| 01:22.52 | amathis | lan56, we are being attacked by cgi irc |
| 01:22.53 | amathis | :) |
| 01:23.21 | lan56 | hence the munchkin level? :) |
| 01:23.28 | amathis | exactly |
| 01:23.34 | webuser85 | ummm |
| 01:23.45 | webuser85 | ne1 wanna pla bz wit me |
| 01:23.50 | webuser85 | I jus d/led it |
| 01:23.58 | lan56 | what's that in english? |
| 01:23.59 | learner | there are lots of people on already |
| 01:23.59 | lan56 | :) |
| 01:24.04 | learner | ~bzflist |
| 01:24.24 | webuser85 | iz dat a bot? |
| 01:24.31 | webuser85 | oh |
| 01:24.32 | webuser85 | heh |
| 01:24.33 | webuser85 | duh |
| 01:24.35 | learner | with a name like ibot? of course not |
| 01:24.54 | poxy | learner: is munchkin an euphamism for something more harsh? |
| 01:24.55 | webuser85 | learner dunt make me hax0rz u |
| 01:25.03 | fiberchunks | oh good ghod |
| 01:25.07 | learner | hax0rz me away |
| 01:25.11 | webuser85 | im outta here |
| 01:25.11 | fiberchunks | ha |
| 01:25.15 | webuser85 | bz sucks |
| 01:25.16 | fiberchunks | good |
| 01:25.20 | learner | cya |
| 01:25.23 | poxy | dont return |
| 01:25.33 | learner | be nice :) |
| 01:25.45 | poxy | awww ok learner |
| 01:25.53 | lan56 | just ban him if you don't want a return |
| 01:26.03 | lan56 | hey, look!! the wikipedia article has been protected! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=BZFlag&action=history |
| 01:26.04 | amathis | lan56, he is cgi-irc |
| 01:26.24 | webuser85 | im outta herrr |
| 01:26.32 | webuser85 | ne1 wanna pla halo? |
| 01:27.05 | amathis | webuser85, please leave >_, |
| 01:27.14 | poxy | this is a bzflag channel, not a halo channel |
| 01:27.24 | learner | ahh, nice |
| 01:27.26 | webuser85 | halo ownzz bz |
| 01:28.00 | learner | *sigh* |
| 01:28.08 | fiberchunks | development budgets are a 'tiny' bit different, but of course you comprehend that minor detail. |
| 01:28.53 | amathis | this is really erking me.. |
| 01:29.04 | fiberchunks | ooo, it's irking amathis ;) |
| 01:29.11 | learner | lan56, how'd you get that protection request started? |
| 01:29.22 | lan56 | learner: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_page_protection&diff=0&oldid=5977527 |
| 01:29.41 | lan56 | I felt it just won't end as long as he is dynamic IPed, and is angry |
| 01:29.42 | fiberchunks | amathis, I think there's a dictionary or two out there for you to peruse ;) j/l |
| 01:29.45 | fiberchunks | j/k |
| 01:29.56 | fiberchunks | ha |
| 01:30.01 | poxy | yeah my dictionary! |
| 01:30.19 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Lego|Desk@c-24-13-129-67.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:33.01 | learner | lan56, the post was reasonable and warranted -- thanks |
| 01:33.11 | lan56 | np |
| 01:33.17 | learner | we're one of just a handful of protected pages |
| 01:33.41 | lan56 | it's a sad thing, to see such work gone to the hands of vandals |
| 01:33.45 | learner | doesn't look like anything if left protected for more than 2 weeks |
| 01:33.59 | poxy | you can only get protected for 2 weeks? |
| 01:34.48 | learner | i have no idea |
| 01:35.08 | learner | lan56, how'd you "find" the protection submission thing? |
| 01:36.07 | lan56 | I just went to Comunity Portal, and saw a link about protection near the bottom |
| 01:38.10 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/configure.in: Adding kerberos discovery |
| 01:39.02 | tea|tree_ | lol ;))))) |
| 01:42.29 | fiberchunks | honest question: if .0001" is one ten-thousandth of an inch, then is .0001 mm one ten-thousandth of a millimeter? for some reason, my mind is mush on this |
| 01:42.49 | lan56 | why wouldn't it be? |
| 01:42.52 | fiberchunks | or, is .0001mm 1/1,000,000th of a mm |
| 01:43.02 | fiberchunks | dunno, my brain hath farted badly on this :) |
| 01:43.07 | amathis | :D |
| 01:43.26 | Tupone | 1/10,000,000 of a m |
| 01:43.41 | fiberchunks | 1 ten-millionth? |
| 01:43.42 | lan56 | decimal places are pronounced the same regardless of units |
| 01:43.55 | Tupone | of a meter |
| 01:44.00 | fiberchunks | oh, indeed |
| 01:44.03 | fiberchunks | cool, thx |
| 01:47.03 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/Makefile.am bzfs/Makefile.am): Adding kerberos libraries |
| 01:48.29 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 01:49.12 | Tupone | hi |
| 01:49.31 | orchid | hello |
| 02:00.20 | MeBigFatGuy | are we using libcurl now? |
| 02:00.41 | learner | MeBigFatGuy: apparently we are if we can? |
| 02:10.04 | orchid | !dict libcurl |
| 02:10.06 | guu | orchid: No definition for 'libcurl' could be found. |
| 02:11.13 | tea|tree_ | ahahah |
| 02:11.48 | bryjen | ~google libcurl |
| 02:12.30 | orchid | what does bzflag use libcurl for? to talk to the listserver? |
| 02:13.04 | MeBigFatGuy | ok |
| 02:13.13 | bryjen | that was tried before. now its the master ban list and the Message Of The Day |
| 02:13.22 | orchid | motd? |
| 02:13.33 | learner | yep |
| 02:13.48 | orchid | each server can have an motd? |
| 02:14.00 | learner | bryjen: rewrite of masterban handler was rather successful i think |
| 02:14.07 | learner | it's for a global MOTD |
| 02:14.28 | bryjen | there's already the welcome message an ad message per server, the motd pulls a text file from bzflag.org |
| 02:14.50 | lan56 | that's actually a rediculously good idea |
| 02:15.45 | orchid | whats in this motd? |
| 02:15.52 | orchid | the global one |
| 02:15.56 | bryjen | !guu bzflag motd |
| 02:16.11 | bryjen | !bzflag motd |
| 02:16.13 | orchid | !bzflag motd |
| 02:16.21 | learner | !motd |
| 02:16.27 | orchid | !motd |
| 02:16.28 | bryjen | hrm. what'd pat do agan |
| 02:16.28 | learner | !rss motd |
| 02:16.37 | lan56 | !opensesame |
| 02:16.40 | bryjen | yeah. something like that |
| 02:16.48 | learner | well, whatever |
| 02:16.49 | learner | it's here |
| 02:16.49 | learner | http://bzflag.org/motd.php |
| 02:16.57 | bryjen | !rss bzflag motd |
| 02:17.04 | bryjen | foo. |
| 02:17.08 | orchid | !list rss |
| 02:17.08 | guu | orchid: , add, announce, bzflagdonors, bzflagmotd, bzflagsfnews, bzflagsfreleases, bzgirl, ducati, fark, firestarter, info, matches, matches10, opencombat, opencombatsf, playerlist, remove, rss, serverlist, and slashdot |
| 02:17.11 | MeBigFatGuy | version 7.12.1? |
| 02:17.16 | orchid | !bzflagmotd |
| 02:17.16 | guu | orchid: Welcome to BZFlag testing version, enjoy! |
| 02:17.32 | orchid | !bzgirl |
| 02:17.49 | learner | there's an admin interface so it can be set for anyone who can make news submissions on the website |
| 02:17.59 | orchid | neato |
| 02:18.06 | orchid | mosquito |
| 02:18.09 | learner | so pat made it pull that url via curl |
| 02:18.23 | orchid | good way to announe releases |
| 02:18.31 | learner | yep |
| 02:18.55 | MeBigFatGuy | the ssl version or non ssl? |
| 02:19.06 | bryjen | MeBigFatGuy: looks like ./configure want curl vers => 7.9.5 |
| 02:19.12 | bryjen | and no ssl required |
| 02:19.40 | bryjen | ack silly smiley on equal-or-greater-than signs :( |
| 02:19.41 | orchid | curl can do secure stuff like authenticate a user? |
| 02:19.56 | MeBigFatGuy | https |
| 02:20.07 | bryjen | ssl usually is about authenticating the server |
| 02:20.32 | bryjen | and encryption |
| 02:24.50 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 02:24.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 02:26.09 | MeBigFatGuy | patrick, you here? |
| 02:27.45 | *** join/#bzflag learner (~brlcad@brlcad.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) |
| 02:27.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by ChanServ |
| 02:30.15 | amathis | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132788,00.html |
| 02:30.30 | amathis | how many former child stars havent been arrested on drug charges? |
| 02:30.37 | Patlabor221 | all of them |
| 02:30.56 | lan56 | just now you are learning about that arrest? |
| 02:30.59 | MeBigFatGuy | Patlabor221, where is tools options directories in vc7? |
| 02:31.05 | lan56 | come on man, watch some more nbc! :) |
| 02:31.06 | amathis | lan56, I heard about it this mornhing |
| 02:31.17 | lan56 | phew, you were scaring me for a sec there :) |
| 02:31.18 | amathis | to liberal :) |
| 02:31.25 | Patlabor221 | it's under projects |
| 02:31.27 | Patlabor221 | c++ |
| 02:31.33 | Patlabor221 | wait |
| 02:31.34 | Patlabor221 | tools |
| 02:31.37 | Patlabor221 | options |
| 02:31.42 | *** topic/#bzflag by learner -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || server usage graphs http://bzflag.bz/usage/ || http://members.rogers.com/trepan/screenies/balloons.jpg || http://members.rogers.com/trepan/screenies/arcs.jpg |
| 02:31.44 | Patlabor221 | C++ project setings or something |
| 02:31.53 | Patlabor221 | let me go see |
| 02:31.59 | learner | near mass banning you missed |
| 02:32.04 | Patlabor221 | really? |
| 02:32.05 | Patlabor221 | who? |
| 02:32.09 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
| 02:32.13 | learner | several munchkins |
| 02:32.21 | Patlabor221 | any names I know? |
| 02:32.26 | lan56 | Knights |
| 02:32.36 | learner | Knights supposedly was actually trying |
| 02:32.38 | amathis | some dude who was on cgi irc.. |
| 02:32.45 | orchid | dont ban the munchkins |
| 02:32.46 | learner | more annoying were the other ones |
| 02:32.47 | Patlabor221 | bastard, I told him he was on his last warning today too |
| 02:32.55 | amathis | orchid, kind hearted :) |
| 02:32.58 | learner | he behaved |
| 02:33.03 | learner | just hard headed understanding |
| 02:33.03 | Patlabor221 | well that's good |
| 02:33.07 | amathis | Patlabor221, we couldn't get him to install xchat though.. |
| 02:33.09 | lan56 | banning == action |
| 02:33.14 | Patlabor221 | they should be spokent to at least |
| 02:33.20 | orchid | Patlabor221: yep |
| 02:33.21 | Patlabor221 | he says he can't |
| 02:33.24 | Patlabor221 | cus it's not his PC |
| 02:33.31 | Patlabor221 | orchid: but they still get 3 strikes |
| 02:33.37 | learner | he supposedly downloaded xchat and couldn't figure out how to install it |
| 02:33.47 | Patlabor221 | he may not have insall perms |
| 02:33.54 | amathis | yep.. |
| 02:33.56 | Patlabor221 | he wanted to run a server today too |
| 02:34.00 | Patlabor221 | I disuaded him |
| 02:34.02 | orchid | can you not voice them? make them silent as a temp warning? |
| 02:34.15 | orchid | like creeperz |
| 02:34.22 | orchid | !seen creeperz |
| 02:34.23 | guu | orchid: creeperz was last seen here 15 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 38 minutes, and 23 seconds ago saying: <creeperz> well, thanks ops |
| 02:34.25 | amathis | there was nothing wrong with creeperz :-D |
| 02:34.28 | learner | I'm not sure I buy it .. he was a little too interested in seeing the ban list |
| 02:34.31 | amathis | orange, his cable got taken off :( |
| 02:34.32 | Patlabor221 | orchid: not with out screwing up the bots |
| 02:34.43 | Patlabor221 | or maybe we can |
| 02:34.44 | orchid | hm |
| 02:34.46 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 02:34.55 | Patlabor221 | it's been so long since we've had to |
| 02:35.10 | learner | he might just already be a banned ip .. hence why he's using tim's cgi::irc |
| 02:35.20 | Patlabor221 | posibly |
| 02:35.24 | Patlabor221 | well stats one is down |
| 02:35.25 | amathis | Patlabor221, I would not be surprised if it was knightmare |
| 02:35.31 | Patlabor221 | nor would I |
| 02:35.37 | Patlabor221 | tho nid says he plays on his server |
| 02:35.43 | learner | need to get him to use another cgi::irc next time |
| 02:35.46 | Patlabor221 | and his bans would have hit it |
| 02:35.57 | learner | not if it's just an irc ban |
| 02:36.03 | Patlabor221 | if stats was Up I'd say kill bzflag.org's and make them use stats |
| 02:36.06 | orchid | why not ban cgi::irc, force them to use a real client? |
| 02:36.08 | Patlabor221 | as it does per IP hostnames |
| 02:36.12 | orchid | or was that debated |
| 02:36.19 | Patlabor221 | orchid: many of them are kids and can't install |
| 02:36.23 | learner | it's sometimes actually useful |
| 02:36.28 | orchid | ah |
| 02:36.33 | Patlabor221 | for the nooob looking for help |
| 02:36.38 | Patlabor221 | don't want to kill that road |
| 02:36.48 | Patlabor221 | I asked tim to hook up IP based hostnames |
| 02:36.50 | Patlabor221 | but he didn't |
| 02:36.51 | learner | I can use it from work where irc is explicitly blocked (aside from the point that I can ssh out to a better client) |
| 02:37.42 | Patlabor221 | well sorry I missed it |
| 02:37.59 | Patlabor221 | Tivo recorded stuff for me |
| 02:38.01 | *** join/#bzflag webuser22 (~18a5b40c@reladm.kharkov.net) |
| 02:38.05 | Patlabor221 | and I had Tivo guilt |
| 02:38.07 | amathis | Patlabor221, how is tivo ? |
| 02:38.13 | Patlabor221 | I lub tivo |
| 02:38.21 | amathis | Patlabor221, I am thinking about talking parents into getting it. |
| 02:38.27 | Patlabor221 | it will make me able to actualy watch things |
| 02:38.32 | Patlabor221 | amathis: you have cable or sat? |
| 02:38.46 | amathis | it would be nice to record spike tv's mid day startrek |
| 02:38.48 | amathis | Patlabor221, cable :/. |
| 02:39.00 | Patlabor221 | cable Tivo's are more money |
| 02:39.04 | Patlabor221 | and trickyer to set up |
| 02:39.20 | Patlabor221 | if the internal tuners don't work with your cable system, it has to use the cable box |
| 02:39.29 | webuser22 | hi ppl |
| 02:39.31 | Patlabor221 | pluss the service costs more as it has to send programing info |
| 02:39.33 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 02:39.48 | amathis | hrmph |
| 02:39.49 | Patlabor221 | sat Tivo is cheaper, and works with the sat feed |
| 02:40.02 | webuser22 | is dis a chat room? |
| 02:40.04 | Patlabor221 | also it has 2 tunners |
| 02:40.12 | Patlabor221 | this is an IRC channel yes. |
| 02:40.13 | amathis | Patlabor221, I might get sat when I move out |
| 02:40.17 | amathis | :-D |
| 02:40.23 | Patlabor221 | it's often cheaper then cable |
| 02:40.28 | amathis | Road runner pisses me off. |
| 02:40.37 | Patlabor221 | they do not provide internet tho |
| 02:40.38 | amathis | Patlabor221, will sat let you run servers? |
| 02:40.42 | amathis | Patlabor221, oh :/ |
| 02:40.45 | Patlabor221 | it's not NET |
| 02:40.46 | Patlabor221 | it's TV |
| 02:40.54 | Patlabor221 | Telllyvision |
| 02:41.04 | amathis | Patlabor221, I know |
| 02:41.16 | amathis | Patlabor221, but I figured sat would have an isp package too |
| 02:41.19 | Patlabor221 | TV companys should not have anything to do with data connectiong |
| 02:41.22 | Patlabor221 | amathis: why? |
| 02:41.29 | Patlabor221 | it's a sat |
| 02:41.31 | amathis | Patlabor221, because I am optimistic. |
| 02:41.33 | Patlabor221 | they ahve sat internet |
| 02:41.35 | Patlabor221 | it's horible |
| 02:41.37 | Patlabor221 | just get DSL |
| 02:41.38 | amathis | Patlabor221, ah |
| 02:41.40 | amathis | ok |
| 02:41.53 | webuser22 | ne1 wanna pla Halo |
| 02:42.03 | bryjen | cable monopolies^Wcompanies supply internet |
| 02:42.03 | Patlabor221 | this is not a room for that game |
| 02:42.21 | Patlabor221 | webuser22: this is a channel for bzflag |
| 02:42.32 | Patlabor221 | have you ever played BZFlag? |
| 02:42.37 | webuser22 | ummmm..... bzflag sux0rz |
| 02:42.50 | amathis | *sigh* |
| 02:42.51 | orchid | lolerskates |
| 02:42.54 | Patlabor221 | then I would sugest you leave |
| 02:42.56 | Patlabor221 | now |
| 02:43.24 | webuser22 | dunt b so meen |
| 02:43.29 | Patlabor221 | nor do you |
| 02:43.34 | Patlabor221 | we all work hard on BZFlag |
| 02:43.37 | Patlabor221 | and you say it sucks |
| 02:43.50 | Patlabor221 | is that not 'meen' |
| 02:44.12 | amathis | Patlabor221, are there rogue servers cheats out there? |
| 02:44.13 | Patlabor221 | I do not know that URL |
| 02:44.20 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 02:44.26 | amathis | like, cheat clients, but for servers |
| 02:44.30 | orchid | server cheats? |
| 02:44.34 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 02:44.35 | orchid | that do what? |
| 02:44.40 | amathis | Patlabor221, how about this.. |
| 02:44.56 | amathis | Patlabor221, erg.. nevermiund >_< |
| 02:45.02 | amathis | that would not work.. |
| 02:45.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*reladm.kharkov.net] by Patlabor221 |
| 02:45.14 | bryjen | uhm |
| 02:45.25 | Patlabor221 | it's just a restricted CGI IRC |
| 02:45.33 | Patlabor221 | it's not a bzflag helpsite or anything |
| 02:45.38 | Patlabor221 | so I don't mind killing it |
| 02:46.03 | amathis | :-) |
| 02:46.03 | Patlabor221 | amathis: make the server track positions and look for "wierd stuff" |
| 02:46.20 | Patlabor221 | but to do that you need a synced time stamp |
| 02:46.30 | amathis | Patlabor221, no, I was talking about php stuff in the list server |
| 02:46.36 | amathis | with encrypted keys |
| 02:46.44 | Patlabor221 | there is no way to trust a server |
| 02:46.47 | amathis | yeah |
| 02:46.50 | amathis | that is the draw bac |
| 02:46.51 | amathis | k |
| 02:46.51 | Patlabor221 | they have the source |
| 02:46.57 | Patlabor221 | so why bother |
| 02:47.08 | Patlabor221 | hacking a server is kinda pointless |
| 02:47.15 | amathis | Patlabor221, we will just sick Nidhoggr on em' ^_^ |
| 02:47.15 | Patlabor221 | once people know it's a "bad" server |
| 02:47.19 | Patlabor221 | they don't go there |
| 02:47.25 | Patlabor221 | and it drops to the bottom of the list |
| 02:47.41 | Patlabor221 | what the list server could do is flag some servers based on hostmask as "preferd" |
| 02:47.51 | Patlabor221 | and posibly put them at the top of the list |
| 02:48.00 | amathis | yeah.. |
| 02:48.05 | amathis | kinda like a karma system :D |
| 02:48.15 | Patlabor221 | any server can become preferd or "signed" once it goes thru an evaluation process. |
| 02:48.20 | Patlabor221 | karama is difrent |
| 02:48.27 | Patlabor221 | this would not be to rate a server |
| 02:48.31 | amathis | ah |
| 02:48.33 | bryjen | that's how it should work. if people seem to like to just complain about servers where they don't like the admins, instead of just going elsewhere |
| 02:48.36 | amathis | just to show taht it is trusted? |
| 02:48.50 | bryjen | s/if/ |
| 02:49.00 | Patlabor221 | just to show that it's been gone over, and it's run buy somone "trusted" in the comunity |
| 02:49.05 | Patlabor221 | and a long term server |
| 02:49.10 | amathis | like secretplace |
| 02:49.13 | amathis | or quol.. |
| 02:49.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:49.16 | amathis | good idea |
| 02:49.19 | amathis | Patlabor221, I will start now. |
| 02:49.24 | Patlabor221 | best of luck |
| 02:49.30 | Patlabor221 | you have to change client too |
| 02:49.35 | amathis | I would? |
| 02:49.36 | amathis | why? |
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| 02:49.41 | amathis | oh yeah |
| 02:49.43 | Patlabor221 | to highlight them difrently |
| 02:49.52 | amathis | Patlabor221, I thought you were talking about on the php server side. |
| 02:50.01 | Patlabor221 | it all works together |
| 02:50.09 | Patlabor221 | php is just part of the entire server cycle |
| 02:50.10 | amathis | Patlabor221, no, I thought you meant it would show up on SBO |
| 02:50.16 | amathis | not the actual game |
| 02:50.24 | Patlabor221 | what' the point of it showing on stats |
| 02:50.34 | amathis | Patlabor221, I dunno.. |
| 02:50.37 | Patlabor221 | the person you want to protect against "bad" servers is the n00bs |
| 02:50.42 | amathis | mhm |
| 02:50.42 | Patlabor221 | they don't know anything other then the game |
| 02:50.49 | Patlabor221 | so show it where it counts |
| 02:50.55 | amathis | ok |
| 02:51.12 | Patlabor221 | sadly your only going to be able to send back this extra info if the server is above a specific version |
| 02:51.19 | amathis | Patlabor221, how about this... I will alter the php side to flag certian hosts... and then we will see about the client |
| 02:51.39 | amathis | =] |
| 02:51.49 | amathis | or, I will get orchid to do the hard work for me :D |
| 02:52.05 | amathis | j/k |
| 02:52.11 | bryjen | changing what the ls sends to the client likely breaks the old clients |
| 02:52.15 | amathis | I don't think it will be that benificial |
| 02:52.28 | amathis | bryjen, not really.. |
| 02:52.35 | Patlabor221 | amathis: don't be so sure |
| 02:52.41 | Patlabor221 | you can not break old clients |
| 02:52.46 | amathis | hrm.. |
| 02:52.58 | amathis | but, if all you do is do an array of prefered hostmasks.. |
| 02:53.00 | amathis | well |
| 02:53.00 | Patlabor221 | does the client send the version to the server |
| 02:53.03 | amathis | anything can happen |
| 02:53.07 | Patlabor221 | amathis: think about the other end |
| 02:53.09 | Patlabor221 | who gets that data |
| 02:53.13 | amathis | mhm |
| 02:53.13 | Patlabor221 | NOT a web browser |
| 02:53.16 | bryjen | amathis: yes, really. unless you stuff 'special' data into an existing field |
| 02:53.16 | Patlabor221 | a chunk of code |
| 02:53.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:53.41 | Patlabor221 | is the version of the requester sent? |
| 02:53.53 | Patlabor221 | aka does the list server know the client version? |
| 02:54.12 | amathis | yes |
| 02:54.15 | amathis | it should.. |
| 02:54.17 | amathis | lemme check |
| 02:54.43 | amathis | I dont think so actually |
| 02:54.52 | amathis | it only checks the server version IRC |
| 02:55.05 | Patlabor221 | then first would be sending the client proto version |
| 02:55.14 | Patlabor221 | and asuming anything that dosn't send it is "old" |
| 02:55.28 | Patlabor221 | then you can talor the reponce based on what the client can get |
| 02:56.14 | Patlabor221 | so have I told you about my Tivo? :) |
| 02:56.22 | amathis | Patlabor221, without ogre implemented, would slopes, or ramps be possible? |
| 02:56.33 | amathis | I mean, co-existing with the tank |
| 02:56.38 | amathis | and the funny shot angles.. |
| 02:56.44 | Patlabor221 | never in bzflag |
| 02:56.48 | Patlabor221 | regardless of engine |
| 02:56.54 | Patlabor221 | you could do slopes now |
| 02:57.34 | amathis | Patlabor221, are there default bzflag map files in the src? |
| 02:57.35 | Patlabor221 | not all things that are not done are not done for techincal limitations |
| 02:57.40 | amathis | I would like to see what they look like |
| 02:57.40 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 02:57.54 | amathis | Patlabor221, ya know how you can tell bzfs a certain map.. |
| 02:58.03 | Patlabor221 | hix is in CVS |
| 02:58.07 | amathis | well if you don't does it just randomly draw, or are there map files... |
| 02:58.10 | Patlabor221 | and the format is in the nmanpage |
| 02:58.42 | bryjen | the random maps are generated by code |
| 02:58.49 | Patlabor221 | the server has a random generatator |
| 02:58.55 | Patlabor221 | it's just a list of objects |
| 02:58.59 | Patlabor221 | it never makes a "file" |
| 02:59.01 | Patlabor221 | for random maps |
| 03:05.21 | amathis | Patlabor221, what about a way to record your game |
| 03:05.32 | amathis | and save it as a .mpg or something |
| 03:05.35 | amathis | use libmpg |
| 03:05.45 | Patlabor221 | amathis: that would have to be done on a client |
| 03:05.49 | amathis | especially on tournament |
| 03:05.53 | amathis | Patlabor221, yeah.. |
| 03:05.56 | Patlabor221 | what ever floats your boat |
| 03:06.09 | Patlabor221 | it's slow down the game |
| 03:06.18 | amathis | yeah |
| 03:06.20 | amathis | it would.. |
| 03:06.32 | Patlabor221 | geting the contents of the frambuffer from GL is not allways the fastest thing |
| 03:11.45 | poxy | wtf |
| 03:11.54 | poxy | that's a lot of talk heh |
| 03:12.02 | amathis | huh? |
| 03:12.30 | MeBigFatGuy | we can already play back a game |
| 03:12.43 | MeBigFatGuy | just not in a movie format |
| 03:12.51 | amathis | MeBigFatGuy, yeah, but saving it.. |
| 03:20.31 | Patlabor221 | MeBigFatGuy: he's talking about a client view record |
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| 03:29.44 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221, didn't trepan develop something along those lines (although it may have been server based ... can't really remember) |
| 03:29.53 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:29.56 | Patlabor221 | it was server based |
| 03:29.59 | fiberchunks | thought so |
| 03:30.07 | Patlabor221 | it allwos a server to play back a game |
| 03:30.10 | Patlabor221 | but only in client |
| 03:30.23 | amathis | fiberchunks, I am talking about the client recording the game to a movie file |
| 03:30.31 | fiberchunks | ahhhhhh. ic |
| 03:31.16 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221, what brand SAT you got? direc or dish? |
| 03:32.05 | Patlabor221 | direct |
| 03:32.10 | Patlabor221 | dish dosn't offer TIvo |
| 03:32.15 | Patlabor221 | they offer there own crap DVR |
| 03:32.19 | Patlabor221 | single tuner |
| 03:32.34 | fiberchunks | did you get the package with tivo and receivers, or a separate tivo unit? or ... how does that all work? :) |
| 03:32.46 | Patlabor221 | I've had the Dtv for a while now |
| 03:33.03 | Patlabor221 | frinds at work got me the Tivo from Circut City for my birthday |
| 03:33.08 | Patlabor221 | for 50$ |
| 03:33.32 | fiberchunks | wowsers -- how many stations can that record simultaneously, just number of receivers? |
| 03:33.37 | Patlabor221 | 2 |
| 03:33.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:33.47 | Patlabor221 | it has 2 recevers in it |
| 03:34.04 | fiberchunks | ah, so does it come after the receivers in the RF chain, or before? |
| 03:34.05 | Patlabor221 | you can record 2 things at a time, while watching a thing that was recorded |
| 03:34.11 | fiberchunks | oh, that's cool |
| 03:34.12 | Patlabor221 | RF? |
| 03:34.17 | fiberchunks | coax cable :) |
| 03:34.25 | Patlabor221 | the TIVO IS the tuner |
| 03:34.32 | Patlabor221 | it goes direct to dish |
| 03:34.33 | fiberchunks | oh, i c, nifty |
| 03:34.36 | Patlabor221 | never hits analog |
| 03:34.42 | Patlabor221 | just saves the digital stream |
| 03:34.55 | Patlabor221 | unlike cable Tivo |
| 03:35.13 | Patlabor221 | the Tivo has 2 sat tuners builit in |
| 03:35.26 | Patlabor221 | so I have a recever I don't use anymore |
| 03:35.27 | fiberchunks | do you still need the sat receivers for the tvs? I imagine so. If not, where do you slap the decryption cards? |
| 03:35.30 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:35.35 | Patlabor221 | the TIvo has a slot |
| 03:35.39 | fiberchunks | spiffy |
| 03:35.40 | Patlabor221 | one card |
| 03:35.45 | Patlabor221 | for both tuners |
| 03:36.41 | Patlabor221 | they do |
| 03:36.48 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 03:37.01 | Patlabor221 | 50 for the tivo |
| 03:37.08 | Patlabor221 | 5 more a month for the second card |
| 03:37.15 | Patlabor221 | then another 5 more for the tivo service |
| 03:37.34 | Patlabor221 | cable tivo is 13 a month |
| 03:37.36 | fiberchunks | ah, so the service is billed by directv, or by tivo folk? |
| 03:37.42 | Patlabor221 | directTV |
| 03:37.45 | fiberchunks | sweet |
| 03:37.55 | fiberchunks | which unit did you get? |
| 03:37.58 | Patlabor221 | it's actualy less then regular Tivo |
| 03:38.15 | Patlabor221 | since it uses the DTV program info |
| 03:38.19 | Patlabor221 | it's a huges one |
| 03:38.42 | fiberchunks | cool, thanks -- I know what dad's getting now :) |
| 03:39.00 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 03:39.02 | Patlabor221 | I can't hug it |
| 03:39.04 | Patlabor221 | it's warm |
| 03:39.09 | Patlabor221 | it burns my skin |
| 03:39.15 | fiberchunks | so are women folk, but that doesn't stop you :) |
| 03:39.28 | Patlabor221 | tivo has shap bits |
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| 03:41.32 | Patlabor221 | DirectTV is churning out Tivo's like mad |
| 03:41.45 | Patlabor221 | Dish network offers one for the same price ( or free) but it's a single tuner |
| 03:41.53 | Patlabor221 | dosn't do the season pass stuff |
| 03:42.02 | Patlabor221 | it's basicly a glorified VCR |
| 03:42.06 | Patlabor221 | with the pause liveTV thing |
| 03:45.21 | fiberchunks | mmm, finally TV porno becomes relatively affordable ;) |
| 03:45.46 | amathis | :D |
| 03:48.30 | fiberchunks | oh, hey Patlabor221, one last question: does the tivo have digital / analog outs and crap, so you can dump to PC? |
| 03:48.40 | Patlabor221 | welll................. |
| 03:48.49 | Patlabor221 | it has RCA out for the TV of course |
| 03:48.54 | Patlabor221 | and it does have USB |
| 03:48.58 | fiberchunks | hrm, that'd actually be useless without the decryption wouldn't it |
| 03:49.10 | Patlabor221 | now the software in the DirectTV units has those disabled at this time |
| 03:49.21 | Patlabor221 | but you can "hack" your tivo |
| 03:49.25 | Patlabor221 | get it on the net |
| 03:49.32 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 03:49.35 | Patlabor221 | and get the streams over and decode them into whatever |
| 03:49.41 | Patlabor221 | voids the waranty and all |
| 03:49.56 | fiberchunks | warranties, imho, are generally useless anyway :) |
| 03:49.56 | Patlabor221 | you can even crack it open and swap/add drives |
| 03:50.54 | fiberchunks | hrm, spiffy |
| 03:51.14 | fiberchunks | what size drive for how many hours of shows? |
| 03:51.18 | fiberchunks | on average |
| 03:51.26 | Patlabor221 | this one has a 40 gig drive |
| 03:51.30 | Patlabor221 | does 35ish hours |
| 03:51.35 | Patlabor221 | basicly a gig an hour |
| 03:51.37 | fiberchunks | sweet |
| 03:51.39 | Patlabor221 | minus some for the software |
| 03:51.43 | Patlabor221 | unless your talking HD |
| 03:51.49 | Patlabor221 | then it's like 10-20 gigs an hour |
| 03:52.01 | fiberchunks | wow |
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| 03:54.12 | fiberchunks | thanks much |
| 03:54.19 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 03:54.45 | amathis | futerama is on :) |
| 03:54.50 | amathis | *futurama |
| 03:55.03 | Patlabor221 | like I care, TIVO is geting it :) |
| 03:55.08 | Patlabor221 | I can watch it whenever :) |
| 03:55.13 | amathis | Patlabor221, oh shadap |
| 03:55.24 | amathis | you and your 'tivo' |
| 03:55.31 | Patlabor221 | you will learn |
| 03:55.56 | amathis | there it is again.. |
| 03:56.01 | Patlabor221 | you will never be able to go back |
| 03:56.01 | amathis | I am the son of the devil |
| 03:56.16 | amathis | Reno911 is on :-D |
| 03:56.34 | Patlabor221 | Tivo's on that too |
| 03:56.46 | Patlabor221 | AT THE SAME TIME :) |
| 03:57.06 | amathis | grrr |
| 03:57.41 | Patlabor221 | only if it's not a repeat that I haven't seen before |
| 03:57.44 | Patlabor221 | since Tivo knows |
| 03:58.01 | amathis | Patlabor221, oh be quite! |
| 03:58.06 | amathis | *quiet |
| 03:58.10 | bryjen | being brand new, how does it know? |
| 03:58.12 | Patlabor221 | it makes that noise too |
| 03:58.21 | Patlabor221 | you tell it stuff |
| 03:58.28 | Patlabor221 | actualy it allready got one |
| 03:58.33 | amathis | lets steal tivo from Patlabor221 |
| 03:58.34 | Patlabor221 | so only if it's not the same |
| 03:58.52 | Patlabor221 | you can pry it out of my cold dead hands |
| 03:58.59 | Patlabor221 | and I do own a sword |
| 04:00.06 | bryjen | yuk. you should get that looked at |
| 04:00.21 | amathis | haha |
| 04:00.46 | Patlabor221 | need that for "hunting"? |
| 04:00.57 | amathis | no. |
| 04:01.12 | amathis | that is what my 30-30. .22, and shotguns are for |
| 04:01.26 | Patlabor221 | then what is your oozie for ? |
| 04:01.28 | bryjen | ~dict uzi |
| 04:01.34 | amathis | Winchester 30-30, marlin .22, and mossberg pump action shotgun :-D |
| 04:01.44 | amathis | Patlabor221, killing arrogant tivo owners! |
| 04:01.47 | amathis | :) |
| 04:02.04 | Patlabor221 | I prefer the spaz |
| 04:02.09 | amathis | I suppose you are recording Inuyasha too? |
| 04:02.17 | Patlabor221 | hell no |
| 04:02.25 | Patlabor221 | inuyahsa is crap |
| 04:02.30 | amathis | what, you don't like that show :-D |
| 04:02.33 | amathis | heh heh heh |
| 04:02.35 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 04:02.41 | Patlabor221 | there are many better |
| 04:02.45 | amathis | yep |
| 04:03.06 | Patlabor221 | I did get a season pass for that |
| 04:03.24 | amathis | Patlabor221, what is the best anime ever made? |
| 04:03.34 | Patlabor221 | in what genera? |
| 04:03.43 | amathis | all |
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| 04:03.48 | amathis | the best overall |
| 04:03.48 | Patlabor221 | hard to say |
| 04:03.52 | Patlabor221 | what was the best movie made? |
| 04:03.53 | Patlabor221 | ever |
| 04:03.55 | amathis | Patlabor221, yes |
| 04:04.01 | Patlabor221 | no I"m asking you |
| 04:04.09 | Patlabor221 | what was the best movie made? |
| 04:04.09 | amathis | Patlabor221, hrm.... |
| 04:04.16 | Patlabor221 | it's the same kind of question |
| 04:04.24 | amathis | ok |
| 04:04.34 | Patlabor221 | macross plus is great |
| 04:04.34 | amathis | what is the best action anime ever made in series form/ |
| 04:04.36 | Patlabor221 | bebop |
| 04:04.40 | Patlabor221 | tenchi series |
| 04:04.55 | Patlabor221 | el hazard as well, if you can get into it |
| 04:05.09 | amathis | what is the best drama? |
| 04:05.28 | Patlabor221 | pure drama I hear perfect blue is the best |
| 04:05.34 | Patlabor221 | many people like that |
| 04:05.59 | amathis | I cannot find any channels with good anime.. |
| 04:06.07 | amathis | and I can never find download |
| 04:06.07 | Patlabor221 | that would make sense |
| 04:06.11 | Patlabor221 | go get the DVDs |
| 04:06.12 | amathis | cept' for bittorrent |
| 04:06.17 | amathis | Patlabor221, don't have a player |
| 04:06.20 | Patlabor221 | can you find any channels with good movies? |
| 04:06.28 | Patlabor221 | get one then, they are 35$ |
| 04:06.28 | amathis | Patlabor221, sometimes |
| 04:06.36 | amathis | Patlabor221, like turner south |
| 04:06.37 | Patlabor221 | and sometimes you find good anime :) |
| 04:07.15 | Patlabor221 | Serial Experiments Lain was great if you like having your mind screwed with |
| 04:07.25 | Patlabor221 | tho most people just want to bash it with a stick. |
| 04:07.42 | amathis | he |
| 04:07.53 | amathis | my minds already been screwed with enough thank you :) |
| 04:08.07 | Patlabor221 | I rather liked full metal panic |
| 04:08.08 | amathis | *mind |
| 04:08.29 | Patlabor221 | Jungle Wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu was good |
| 04:08.34 | Patlabor221 | tho I have to see the second set |
| 04:08.59 | Patlabor221 | it's not an anime |
| 04:09.07 | amathis | I know |
| 04:09.13 | amathis | I still want to watch it |
| 04:09.25 | Patlabor221 | ask the cow |
| 04:09.35 | Patlabor221 | he sould have the vobs |
| 04:09.38 | Patlabor221 | or get a DVD |
| 04:09.46 | amathis | purple_cow, ? |
| 04:09.47 | Patlabor221 | does your TV even have AV inputs? |
| 04:10.00 | amathis | Patlabor221, |
| 04:10.01 | amathis | no |
| 04:10.04 | amathis | just coax |
| 04:10.05 | amathis | thats it |
| 04:10.05 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 04:10.12 | Patlabor221 | then you'd need a modulator |
| 04:10.26 | amathis | I spend my money on other things besides updated Hardware >_< |
| 04:10.41 | Patlabor221 | what ever floats your boat |
| 04:10.48 | amathis | I need a new tv.. |
| 04:10.51 | amathis | and a dvd player |
| 04:10.55 | Patlabor221 | or a modulator |
| 04:10.56 | amathis | and a xbox |
| 04:11.04 | Patlabor221 | an X-box is a DVD player |
| 04:11.08 | amathis | ah |
| 04:11.08 | amathis | cool |
| 04:11.18 | Patlabor221 | just get the remote for it |
| 04:11.23 | Patlabor221 | or mod it |
| 04:12.41 | amathis | Patlabor221, ever played any of the diablo games? |
| 04:12.47 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:12.50 | Patlabor221 | both of them |
| 04:12.52 | amathis | were they any good? |
| 04:12.56 | Patlabor221 | and many ripofs |
| 04:13.00 | Patlabor221 | they are diablo |
| 04:13.04 | Patlabor221 | the gameplay is very dated |
| 04:13.09 | Patlabor221 | it's all hack and slash |
| 04:13.18 | amathis | what kind of game is it? |
| 04:13.19 | amathis | FPS? |
| 04:13.21 | amathis | RPG? |
| 04:13.22 | Patlabor221 | ohh no |
| 04:13.30 | Patlabor221 | it's a hack and slash |
| 04:13.40 | Patlabor221 | it's RPG esqe |
| 04:13.48 | Patlabor221 | all 2d |
| 04:13.50 | Patlabor221 | old school |
| 04:13.51 | amathis | what is hack and slash |
| 04:13.56 | Patlabor221 | you hack and you slash |
| 04:13.57 | amathis | it isn't even 3d? |
| 04:14.02 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 04:14.06 | Patlabor221 | its like what 7 years old |
| 04:14.18 | amathis | so you just go around killing people.. |
| 04:14.20 | amathis | no real point |
| 04:14.28 | Patlabor221 | well monsters |
| 04:14.31 | amathis | ah |
| 04:14.33 | Patlabor221 | the point is to get to the end |
| 04:14.42 | Patlabor221 | you'll break a mouse on that game tho |
| 04:15.38 | amathis | how? |
| 04:15.38 | amathis | getting pissed and throwing it |
| 04:15.38 | amathis | ? |
| 04:15.38 | Patlabor221 | click... click.... click |
| 04:15.38 | amathis | oh |
| 04:15.38 | Patlabor221 | then click |
| 04:15.38 | Patlabor221 | and click |
| 04:15.38 | amathis | I swear.. Trigun is horrible. |
| 04:15.38 | amathis | just horrible |
| 04:15.38 | Patlabor221 | it's a munchkin anime |
| 04:15.38 | Patlabor221 | like inuasha :) |
| 04:15.40 | Patlabor221 | bigO is better |
| 04:16.08 | Patlabor221 | did you look in the porn section? |
| 04:16.13 | amathis | its porn? |
| 04:16.19 | Patlabor221 | prety much |
| 04:16.21 | amathis | hah |
| 04:16.24 | lan56 | heh |
| 04:16.34 | lan56 | /kick lan56 |
| 04:16.37 | amathis | :) |
| 04:16.42 | lan56 | :) |
| 04:16.58 | amathis | I'm a whopper head. |
| 04:17.11 | amathis | omg that is a stupid commercial |
| 04:17.15 | Patlabor221 | yay for the 145 meg patch |
| 04:17.54 | amathis | Patlabor221, ya know what it is even worse the Trigun.. |
| 04:17.56 | lan56 | I have a pizza here, anybody want a piece? |
| 04:17.59 | amathis | Case Closed |
| 04:18.02 | amathis | lan56, yes |
| 04:18.19 | Patlabor221 | actualy I like the artist who did the origonal manga |
| 04:18.19 | amathis | weeee |
| 04:18.26 | Patlabor221 | steam detectives is really good |
| 04:18.37 | amathis | yes, but the plot.. |
| 04:18.41 | amathis | it is obvious |
| 04:18.44 | Patlabor221 | you have to know where things come from and not just wathc them blindly |
| 04:18.50 | amathis | and the ways he figures things out.. |
| 04:18.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah cus it's a crap port of a manga |
| 04:18.58 | amathis | ah |
| 04:19.02 | Patlabor221 | never watch crap ports |
| 04:19.24 | amathis | it was the first new century... |
| 04:19.28 | amathis | in the past 100 years |
| 04:19.33 | amathis | and when I thought that I should cry |
| 04:19.38 | amathis | I laughed away my tears |
| 04:19.42 | amathis | .... classic.. |
| 04:19.45 | amathis | :-D |
| 04:22.35 | amathis | who has more fans... star trek, or star wars.. |
| 04:22.37 | amathis | hard to tell |
| 04:25.18 | MeBigFatGuy | ever find tools/options/directories? |
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| 04:37.50 | lan56 | nothing like 3 1/2 sausages, some bbq sauce, white rice, and some salt and pepper, all nice and steaming hot |
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| 04:53.44 | lan56 | that would be neat if the client can tell the message of the day with the first sentence (message) being the date, including the day, like a wakeup call in hotels--"this is your wakeup call for tuesday, september 8, 2004" |
| 04:54.46 | lan56 | mind if I add that to the client? |
| 04:55.28 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/configure.in: don't leave the @CURL_XXX@ variables dangling for non-curl builds |
| 04:59.36 | trepan | lan56: i'd leave the MOTD alone, or at worst, add /etc/issue '\' style substitutions |
| 05:00.31 | lan56 | I don't mean mess with the -real- server side MOTD, just the client code, the control panel display, if there is any confusion |
| 05:00.46 | lan56 | how the client's control panel displays the msg |
| 05:00.51 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): add new files, and do a few touch-ups |
| 05:00.54 | lan56 | well, not change how, just add the date before it |
| 05:01.03 | lan56 | on a new line |
| 05:01.38 | trepan | no need, and the subs are more flexible |
| 05:02.02 | lan56 | what subs? |
| 05:02.25 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.32 | lan56 | in the motd? |
| 05:03.26 | trepan | it's just a single console line, i don't really care... |
| 05:03.38 | lan56 | alright |
| 05:04.23 | MeBigFatGuy | now here's a method name |
| 05:04.24 | MeBigFatGuy | supportsDataDefinitionAndDataManipulationTransactions |
| 05:04.33 | MeBigFatGuy | JDBC |
| 05:04.55 | lan56 | never seen one so long |
| 05:07.39 | MeBigFatGuy | This has got to be the worst class i've seen |
| 05:07.40 | MeBigFatGuy | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/sql/DatabaseMetaData.html |
| 05:07.51 | MeBigFatGuy | er, interface |
| 05:18.37 | Patlabor221 | lan56: the MOTD is just a term, its' not applied to a real day |
| 05:18.41 | Patlabor221 | it may not change per day |
| 05:18.58 | Patlabor221 | where did I leave a curl var? |
| 05:19.02 | Patlabor221 | in bzfs? |
| 05:19.31 | Patlabor221 | lan56: don't forget to add a define for libcurl |
| 05:19.34 | Patlabor221 | in your config |
| 05:20.00 | trepan_away | Patlabor221: in the Makefile.in's, the @CURL_LIBS@ and @CURL_CFLAGS@ weren't being sub'ed |
| 05:20.17 | Patlabor221 | ih |
| 05:20.22 | Patlabor221 | makefiles I don't know about |
| 05:20.30 | trepan | so few do... ;) |
| 05:20.55 | Patlabor221 | I just do my best to at least add the new files to the local makefiles |
| 05:21.00 | Patlabor221 | other then that I'd not know what to do |
| 05:21.10 | lan56 | it might not change, but it is a neat feature to display the date in any case, as for the define for libcurl, dev-c++ doesn't define the libcurl def, so it isn't a problem as mingw32 doesn't have that lib |
| 05:21.32 | Patlabor221 | lan56: then MOTD will not work |
| 05:21.43 | Patlabor221 | you should install the lib |
| 05:21.57 | Patlabor221 | or will devC++ just be an imcomplete build? |
| 05:22.09 | lan56 | what's the point of that then? |
| 05:22.28 | lan56 | let me get the lib then |
| 05:22.31 | Patlabor221 | to make sure it dosn't give errors on systems that don't have or need it |
| 05:22.39 | Patlabor221 | and somone could write another |
| 05:22.50 | Patlabor221 | if it is avaiable for you, you should support it |
| 05:23.00 | Patlabor221 | the date dosn't add anything |
| 05:23.08 | lan56 | neither does the time in the HUD |
| 05:23.12 | Patlabor221 | as usualy it's going to say "welcome to bzflag" |
| 05:23.14 | trepan | the kerberos library appears to be coming to |
| 05:23.38 | Patlabor221 | the time is used to show what the sky will look like |
| 05:23.47 | lan56 | alright, then how bout jsut the date by itself, no "MOTD of the day for DATE" |
| 05:23.50 | lan56 | *just |
| 05:24.03 | Patlabor221 | it's not "FOR" any specific date |
| 05:24.05 | Patlabor221 | there is only 1 |
| 05:24.08 | Patlabor221 | the current one |
| 05:24.15 | Patlabor221 | it's not like you can look at multiples |
| 05:24.16 | trepan | Patlabor221: don't think that the HUD time lines up with the gfx |
| 05:24.34 | lan56 | I know, but just the date by itself, the MOTD and the date displayed are independant |
| 05:24.41 | Patlabor221 | it's probably the default used, the server or local setings can override it |
| 05:24.50 | Patlabor221 | what does that add lan56 ? |
| 05:25.00 | Patlabor221 | what positive benifit does it add to the message? |
| 05:25.11 | lan56 | it doesn't relate to the message |
| 05:25.19 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't relate to anything |
| 05:25.25 | Patlabor221 | the message is just a message |
| 05:25.46 | Patlabor221 | most often used for "new version released, go get it..." |
| 05:26.03 | lan56 | it is nice to have, often times I forget the date and it is nice to have it displayed where I will see it without extra effort, let alone it is a neat little feature that can be done in very few lines |
| 05:26.20 | Patlabor221 | if you can't remember the current date, then BZFlag is not the solution to remember that |
| 05:26.26 | Patlabor221 | they have other apps for that |
| 05:26.29 | Patlabor221 | called clocks |
| 05:26.35 | Patlabor221 | should I put a calculator in too? |
| 05:26.38 | Patlabor221 | perhaps a clander |
| 05:26.40 | lan56 | that would be nice :) |
| 05:26.42 | Patlabor221 | ohh and e-mail |
| 05:26.50 | Patlabor221 | how bout something to tell you when you have to go to work? |
| 05:26.56 | lan56 | that would be superb |
| 05:26.57 | Patlabor221 | or when to wipe your butt |
| 05:27.15 | trepan | you've already added the marvelous command that is /date, how's about leaving it at that? |
| 05:27.23 | Patlabor221 | I know you don't get out on the net much, but that's NOT how most messages work |
| 05:27.39 | lan56 | alright, then just forget that feature, won't get added |
| 05:27.39 | Patlabor221 | why /date? |
| 05:27.48 | Patlabor221 | what does that do? |
| 05:27.53 | lan56 | tells server time |
| 05:27.58 | lan56 | like IRC |
| 05:28.05 | lan56 | exactly like in IRC |
| 05:28.12 | lan56 | date and time IIRC |
| 05:28.14 | Patlabor221 | marginal usefullness, but ok, could be used when waiting for match |
| 05:28.23 | Patlabor221 | bzflag is not IRC |
| 05:28.32 | lan56 | never said it was |
| 05:29.02 | lan56 | it could also be used for knowing what time the server is synced to, IF the server has -timesync |
| 05:29.19 | Patlabor221 | well you seem to want to put a lot of features that other apps do well into it |
| 05:29.29 | Patlabor221 | the entire time thing is lame |
| 05:29.33 | Patlabor221 | maps should define the sky |
| 05:29.38 | lan56 | that's why it's not being added |
| 05:29.41 | Patlabor221 | everyone hates playing at night |
| 05:29.42 | lan56 | I just agreed to not adding the date |
| 05:30.26 | lan56 | I could try implementing that |
| 05:30.33 | lan56 | the map definition of the sky |
| 05:30.56 | Patlabor221 | you gonna hook up skyboxes and texture sets from the net? |
| 05:31.24 | lan56 | to have a map be able to set the sky? |
| 05:32.14 | Patlabor221 | proper implementation would be to let the map define any time of day, a fixed time, or a custom skybox |
| 05:32.25 | Patlabor221 | so that you could have maps in difrent places |
| 05:32.29 | Patlabor221 | like "on the moon" |
| 05:32.38 | Patlabor221 | or in the middle of the jungle |
| 05:32.49 | lan56 | that sounds neat |
| 05:32.53 | Patlabor221 | the map should also say if it wants mountans or not, and what that mountan texture hould be |
| 05:33.12 | lan56 | that would be neat as well |
| 05:33.15 | Patlabor221 | and it could provide URLs for the images if the local client dosn't have them allready |
| 05:33.30 | lan56 | double neat |
| 05:33.55 | Patlabor221 | also the server and client should be changed to allow the maps to be reloaded at any time |
| 05:34.03 | Patlabor221 | bump everyone to observer |
| 05:34.07 | Patlabor221 | resend a new map |
| 05:34.14 | Patlabor221 | everyone respawns when they get it. |
| 05:34.29 | Patlabor221 | then exernalise the "gimme a new map" code |
| 05:34.36 | Patlabor221 | so it can call a random map generaator |
| 05:34.42 | Patlabor221 | or some sort of map rotation script |
| 05:34.47 | Patlabor221 | or php |
| 05:34.48 | Patlabor221 | or whatever |
| 05:35.01 | lan56 | let me jot this down :) |
| 05:35.12 | Patlabor221 | then a server choice to allow for maps to be rotated when games end |
| 05:35.21 | Patlabor221 | ether by max score, time, or both |
| 05:36.01 | Patlabor221 | it' silly that a rotation server has to kick everyone right now |
| 05:36.03 | lan56 | that could already be done by having a script (batch file or shell script) quit bzfs when time runs out, and restarting with a diff map |
| 05:36.03 | Patlabor221 | on a map change |
| 05:37.08 | lan56 | I'll start writing up some of that stuff |
| 05:37.15 | lan56 | try and do as much as I can |
| 05:37.26 | Patlabor221 | what could you not do? |
| 05:37.47 | lan56 | anything I am too tired to do right now :) |
| 05:37.59 | lan56 | well, do any parts nobody else is doing |
| 05:38.01 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 05:39.40 | Patlabor221 | hmm sleep, or move over motd |
| 05:40.27 | lan56 | I'll start with maps being able to define what time of day it is, and I could add a feature to lock this time, so it never changes |
| 05:41.14 | trepan | like that -synctime mod you were going to do a couple o' weeks ago? |
| 05:41.33 | Patlabor221 | maybe he got le tired |
| 05:41.36 | lan56 | I suppose :) |
| 05:41.55 | trepan | it le happens |
| 05:41.58 | lan56 | yes, I was in hibernation for the rest of summer during those times |
| 05:42.09 | lan56 | I am just awake now cause I had a bad dream |
| 05:42.13 | Patlabor221 | so much for the iron in your dev |
| 05:42.28 | lan56 | aluminum dev :) |
| 05:42.40 | Patlabor221 | do the all end in you waking up in a cold sweat shouting "ohh no, they found out the truth!!!" ? |
| 05:42.57 | lan56 | about not being iron? yup exactly |
| 05:42.58 | lan56 | :) |
| 05:44.39 | Patlabor221 | so lan how did you even test MOTD to make the date sugestion with out libCURL? |
| 05:45.35 | CHEN_KANICHI | no :) |
| 05:46.07 | CHEN_KANICHI | I did compile it though |
| 05:46.30 | CHEN_KANICHI | the fonts are so awfuly displayed on my system that I couldnt see the MOTD, so I assumed it worked |
| 05:47.08 | CHEN_KANICHI | actually, I can't see anything, so I just guess my way around the menus, dang graphics card |
| 05:47.15 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: make a one time only used variable in its own scope, since it won't get used again |
| 05:48.34 | BigBootOJustice | what the hell? |
| 05:48.53 | BigBootOJustice | who cares if it's scope is for the rest of the function |
| 05:48.53 | BigBootOJustice | that just looks nasty |
| 05:48.54 | CHEN_KANICHI | what? |
| 05:49.06 | CHEN_KANICHI | it's only used once throught entire execution |
| 05:49.11 | CHEN_KANICHI | a waste of memory |
| 05:49.24 | BigBootOJustice | it may be used other times |
| 05:49.40 | CHEN_KANICHI | when? it goes into playing loop right after |
| 05:49.43 | CHEN_KANICHI | and then quits |
| 05:49.44 | BigBootOJustice | dude don't optimse crap that dosn't need it |
| 05:50.08 | BigBootOJustice | and actualy you want to leave libCURL inited |
| 05:50.13 | BigBootOJustice | in case anything else uses |
| 05:50.37 | CHEN_KANICHI | ahh, now that I see it like that, then that wasn't the greatest change |
| 05:50.50 | BigBootOJustice | you made the change just to make a change |
| 05:51.03 | CHEN_KANICHI | I don't go around just doing things senselessy you know |
| 05:51.32 | BigBootOJustice | looks like ya did right there |
| 05:51.34 | MeBigFatGuy | wow you saved a string |
| 05:51.37 | MeBigFatGuy | good job |
| 05:51.45 | CHEN_KANICHI | thank you :) |
| 05:51.49 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: fix scope of MOTD |
| 05:51.50 | CHEN_KANICHI | at the time I felt it was necessary |
| 05:51.51 | CHEN_KANICHI | now I know |
| 05:51.52 | BigBootOJustice | yay for lan savor of the byte |
| 05:51.59 | CHEN_KANICHI | yup :) |
| 05:52.11 | BigBootOJustice | please make sure your changes actualy impove stuff |
| 05:52.20 | BigBootOJustice | does bzflag use too much memory> |
| 05:52.20 | CHEN_KANICHI | I told you, at the time I felt it did |
| 05:52.26 | CHEN_KANICHI | yes, 15mb |
| 05:52.29 | huwr | Any ideas on when the next release will come out? |
| 05:52.35 | BigBootOJustice | that's nothing for a 3d game |
| 05:52.39 | BigBootOJustice | most of that is texture |
| 05:52.44 | MeBigFatGuy | probably 14.5 mb is textures and sounds |
| 05:52.57 | BigBootOJustice | huwr: there is no set date, it's kinda "when it's done" |
| 05:53.03 | huwr | Yeah. |
| 05:53.12 | huwr | I don't see much updating going on at the website, that's all. |
| 05:53.21 | CHEN_KANICHI | look in CVS :) |
| 05:53.22 | MeBigFatGuy | 12/19 |
| 05:53.24 | BigBootOJustice | we don't update the site untill it's done |
| 05:53.25 | huwr | Is there a list somewhere or a roadmap at all? |
| 05:53.32 | BigBootOJustice | there is no roadmap |
| 05:53.37 | BigBootOJustice | kinda seat of the pants |
| 05:53.47 | BigBootOJustice | CVS head has the most current code |
| 05:54.01 | BigBootOJustice | and the changelog with what people have done |
| 05:54.06 | huwr | Yeah, but how do I know that will compile. ;) |
| 05:54.10 | huwr | I'll check out the changelog. |
| 05:54.20 | BigBootOJustice | we generaly try to make sure it at least compiles :) |
| 05:54.27 | huwr | Heh. |
| 05:54.36 | BigBootOJustice | CHEN_KANICHI: if you want to optimise, then look no further then BZDB |
| 05:54.48 | CHEN_KANICHI | limit how many vars it has? |
| 05:54.52 | huwr | Well, I was looking forward to improvements in the OS X release. |
| 05:54.55 | BigBootOJustice | the time it takes to search |
| 05:55.07 | BigBootOJustice | 1.12 is better on OSX |
| 05:55.12 | BigBootOJustice | in many ways |
| 05:55.20 | CHEN_KANICHI | how much faster can it get? I can't think of anything faster than iterators |
| 05:55.20 | huwr | 1.12? I thought we were only up to 1.10 |
| 05:55.31 | BigBootOJustice | CHEN_KANICHI: it's a logN string search |
| 05:55.43 | huwr | So I guess 1.11 is a development release... ah... |
| 05:55.43 | MeBigFatGuy | huwr, even numbers are for release |
| 05:55.43 | BigBootOJustice | it could use IDs and be O |
| 05:55.52 | huwr | :) |
| 05:55.54 | BigBootOJustice | yes 1.11 is dev for 1.12 |
| 05:56.07 | huwr | Like in Linux and GNOME, you mean? |
| 05:56.23 | BigBootOJustice | many softwares do somethign like it yes |
| 05:56.29 | huwr | Yeah |
| 05:56.29 | CHEN_KANICHI | I could take a look at the search code, and see what I can do |
| 05:56.44 | BigBootOJustice | CHEN_KANICHI: it's a std::map, you can't change it |
| 05:56.51 | trepan | you could also just find all of the BZDB.eval()'s, and swap them for BZDBCache'd items instead, 0 search time |
| 05:56.54 | BigBootOJustice | I'd recomend LOOKING at the code before you comment. |
| 05:57.07 | CHEN_KANICHI | I never said I would change the data type |
| 05:57.14 | BigBootOJustice | you can't change the search |
| 05:57.18 | CHEN_KANICHI | I said I would see what I can do |
| 05:57.18 | BigBootOJustice | it's in STL |
| 05:57.38 | BigBootOJustice | your going to change STL? |
| 05:57.44 | CHEN_KANICHI | no, I will try and optimize |
| 05:57.48 | trepan | start with the more popular ones first, $(grep -r BZDB.eval), etc... |
| 05:57.49 | guu | New news from bzflagmotd: BZFlag, It rocks your world. |
| 05:58.04 | MeBigFatGuy | chestal wanted to make self aware bzdb variables that have constant access but knew how to update themselves |
| 05:58.09 | CHEN_KANICHI | however you want to put it, I will do what you meant for bzbb |
| 05:58.12 | CHEN_KANICHI | er, bzdb |
| 05:58.20 | huwr | Damn... I can't browes the CVS repository... |
| 05:58.39 | trepan | huwr: ya, cvs browsing seems to be on te fritz for me too |
| 05:58.43 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: add URLManager and MOTD to the changelog, still no cure for karma |
| 05:58.44 | BigBootOJustice | huwr: use a CVS client |
| 05:58.54 | huwr | BigBootOJustice, good idea. |
| 05:58.58 | CHEN_KANICHI | heh |
| 06:00.20 | CHEN_KANICHI | let me just get working on the maps setting the date thing, then I'll look into bzdb stuff |
| 06:01.08 | BigBootOJustice | he's on OSX |
| 06:01.11 | CIA-4 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10opencombat/bzwtransform/ (bzwTransform.cxx input.bzt): bztransform is for girls |
| 06:01.14 | BigBootOJustice | no shell for him |
| 06:02.16 | trepan | BigBootOJustice: good thing orchid ain't here, she'd kick your butt |
| 06:02.32 | BigBootOJustice | no she likes bztransform, that's how I know |
| 06:02.37 | BigBootOJustice | ;) |
| 06:02.52 | trepan | heh, figures |
| 06:04.06 | CHEN_KANICHI | heh, somewhat like what the governator said--"girly men" :) |
| 06:05.11 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@216.228.186.118) |
| 06:05.13 | BigBootOJustice | is it feasable to require that bzfs have a dir to write files in, even for random maps? |
| 06:05.27 | BigBootOJustice | perhaps even the cache dir |
| 06:05.35 | trepan | yup, requires it for recording files |
| 06:05.47 | BigBootOJustice | ok |
| 06:06.40 | trepan | you planning on writing random maps to files first, then loading them as user maps would be? |
| 06:06.47 | BigBootOJustice | yes |
| 06:06.57 | BigBootOJustice | so that all maps come from a common interface |
| 06:07.12 | BigBootOJustice | so that say it could use something like ohhh... "BZMaper" |
| 06:07.20 | BigBootOJustice | the server would just have a command line to call |
| 06:07.33 | trepan | piss on that, it's dead |
| 06:07.34 | BigBootOJustice | then the thing that feeds it maps can be updated with anything |
| 06:08.09 | BigBootOJustice | random map generator, user map rotator, web based map requester |
| 06:08.11 | BigBootOJustice | whatever |
| 06:08.18 | trepan | but i agree with the principal regardless |
| 06:08.27 | trepan | s/principal/principle |
| 06:08.39 | BigBootOJustice | or maybe somone wants to use a randomlike map |
| 06:08.42 | BigBootOJustice | but never have it change |
| 06:09.35 | BigBootOJustice | also then random maps could be saved to a web URL and then goten via the HTTPthingy |
| 06:09.47 | BigBootOJustice | tho then we need a map parser in both |
| 06:09.55 | BigBootOJustice | have to move that to like world or something |
| 06:10.18 | trepan | World.cxx and WorldInfo.cxx are looking pretty similar these days |
| 06:10.29 | huwr | <BigBootOJustice>he's on OSX <BigBootOJustice>no shell for him |
| 06:10.37 | huwr | Did you say that OS X doesn't have a shell? :P |
| 06:10.46 | BigBootOJustice | no |
| 06:10.51 | huwr | Okay. Heh. |
| 06:10.56 | BigBootOJustice | the CVS client he mentioned is windows shell only |
| 06:10.59 | huwr | Ah. |
| 06:11.02 | BigBootOJustice | so it won't work for you |
| 06:11.07 | huwr | Yeah. |
| 06:11.21 | huwr | The cvs client in OS X is fairly minimal and kind of hard to use. |
| 06:11.42 | huwr | I've read over the changelog, and it sounds quite a lot of work. |
| 06:11.53 | huwr | Seems like far more than any of the previous releases. |
| 06:11.55 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (~Doug@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 06:12.19 | BigBootOJustice | tortoisecvs is the best CVS client I've ever seen, but it's windows only |
| 06:12.27 | BigBootOJustice | I wish there was something like it for KDE |
| 06:12.50 | BigBootOJustice | huwr: it's about the same work that went into 1.10 |
| 06:12.53 | trepan | there's tkcvs if you've gotta have a GUI |
| 06:12.53 | BigBootOJustice | from 1.7 |
| 06:13.19 | trepan | or gcvs for the gnome folks |
| 06:13.37 | BigBootOJustice | it's not the same |
| 06:13.59 | BigBootOJustice | I want to right click in the file viewer and just be able to check out, in , or update |
| 06:14.15 | BigBootOJustice | and have the icons change based on if it's current, moded, or confilicted |
| 06:14.50 | MeBigFatGuy | tortoisecvs is alot like clearcase, actually |
| 06:14.56 | MeBigFatGuy | except the price, of course |
| 06:15.16 | CHEN_KANICHI | how come the water level in maps is sent along with the rest of the map, instead of changing the bzdb var, so the client then reads that when it receives it? |
| 06:16.25 | MeBigFatGuy | bzdb is for command line options. |
| 06:16.31 | MeBigFatGuy | water level is defined in the map |
| 06:16.32 | BigBootOJustice | cus it's part of the map |
| 06:17.22 | CHEN_KANICHI | I see |
| 06:17.33 | trepan | cause it needed a staticNode for the BSP renderer, and for the other aforementionned reasons |
| 06:18.12 | trepan | and cause now you can change its color, material props, texture, and texture matrix |
| 06:19.57 | trepan | BSP killed the 'tides' idea, which is probably a good thing really |
| 06:20.11 | CHEN_KANICHI | you mean waves in the water? |
| 06:21.23 | trepan | yes, that's exactly what I mean, waves. BSP won't allow for OGLSL vertex shaders, so now we'll never have them |
| 06:21.46 | CHEN_KANICHI | :( sounded like such a nice idea |
| 06:21.54 | trepan | tis a pity, but a fact. no waves, no particles, no reflections, it just can't be done |
| 06:22.09 | CHEN_KANICHI | the reflection bit would be super nice |
| 06:22.10 | trepan | BSP also killed animated meshes and some other stuff too |
| 06:22.25 | trepan | also killed santa claus :( |
| 06:22.39 | CHEN_KANICHI | you're kidding!?! |
| 06:23.37 | MeBigFatGuy | i thought it was mrs clause |
| 06:23.47 | MeBigFatGuy | with those high cholesterol cookies |
| 06:24.43 | CHEN_KANICHI | when you recall the cookies she makes, it makes santa claus seem like a pig, he gets those cookies plus more when he delivers |
| 06:24.44 | trepan | conniving jezebel that she is |
| 06:27.05 | CHEN_KANICHI | heh, downloaded lib curl about 45 minutes ago and just now realised it finished downloaded :) |
| 06:44.44 | learner | huwr, it has been much more than any previous release |
| 06:45.53 | learner | the cvs client on OS X isn't minimal.. ?! it's _the_ original/real/same cvs client |
| 06:46.09 | learner | does just as much as any other cvs client |
| 06:48.17 | CHEN_KANICHI | I'll resume the time setting from maps tommorow, started it though, just too tired to continue right now |
| 06:48.44 | CHEN_KANICHI | it's up for grabs until tommorow then, I suppose |
| 06:48.47 | learner | cvs head will compile just fine on os x too |
| 06:49.45 | learner | I think most of the heavy work this release has been from trepan's efforts.. |
| 06:49.49 | JBdiGriz | they must be talking about bzadmin or something else |
| 06:49.56 | learner | he should probably get to name this next release :) |
| 06:50.27 | JBdiGriz | hear, hear, let's let trepan choose the name ;) |
| 06:50.41 | CHEN_KANICHI | heh, alright, I agree, how bout it trepan? |
| 06:50.52 | learner | hehe "trepan's game" |
| 06:51.10 | CHEN_KANICHI | lol :) |
| 06:51.16 | JBdiGriz | although tupone definitely contributed a considerable amount to this release as well. |
| 06:51.29 | learner | he did |
| 06:51.34 | CHEN_KANICHI | certainly |
| 06:51.57 | learner | and dtr for finally killing the ogltexfont crap |
| 06:52.12 | learner | and putting the new font system in |
| 06:52.43 | CHEN_KANICHI | IIRC this means that accent marks and similar characters can now be printed? |
| 06:52.49 | MeBigFatGuy | and time for ws |
| 06:52.55 | MeBigFatGuy | er tim |
| 06:53.01 | CHEN_KANICHI | heh |
| 06:53.09 | learner | gutting the entire rendering system and scene management was really heavy lifting on trepan's part |
| 06:53.18 | MeBigFatGuy | no accent marks |
| 06:53.28 | CHEN_KANICHI | alright :( |
| 06:53.40 | MeBigFatGuy | i think he has one of those belts |
| 06:53.50 | learner | still just the lower half of ascii |
| 06:54.09 | CHEN_KANICHI | well, things are getting better at least |
| 06:54.14 | learner | though now the limitations are not so much the rendering system as they are bz's handling |
| 06:54.39 | learner | since adding full iso font would work |
| 06:54.51 | CHEN_KANICHI | we oughta have award ceremony before each release for the devs 8) |
| 06:58.14 | learner | maybe rewriting the tabbed panel or the network usage |
| 06:58.37 | learner | though that just reminds me that I need to finish quenching :( |
| 06:58.39 | Nidhoggr | the user files could use a rewrite. :) |
| 06:59.03 | CHEN_KANICHI | you could add some new stuff to maps |
| 06:59.05 | learner | logging will be big.. but I'm not sure I'll have it before release if release is soon |
| 06:59.20 | learner | too much to test |
| 06:59.25 | Nidhoggr | we're expecting release soon? |
| 06:59.27 | learner | and change |
| 06:59.32 | learner | dunno |
| 06:59.41 | CHEN_KANICHI | better safe than sorry |
| 06:59.41 | learner | we passed our "freeze date" |
| 06:59.48 | CHEN_KANICHI | hah, that was a joke :) |
| 06:59.58 | learner | but that was during the time Tim pissed most all the devs off |
| 07:00.11 | learner | so i let it slide for the most part |
| 07:00.17 | CHEN_KANICHI | what was the reason for the anger, again? |
| 07:01.11 | learner | I don't want to revisit it right now |
| 07:01.16 | learner | it's been a good night |
| 07:01.19 | learner | why dirty it |
| 07:01.19 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 07:01.43 | CHEN_KANICHI | understandable, we can let it go |
| 07:01.46 | Nidhoggr | we went to see the Sky Captain movie. it was fun. |
| 07:02.36 | learner | it'll likely happen again before we release anyways unless one of us steps up for karma |
| 07:02.54 | CHEN_KANICHI | anything new with karma? |
| 07:03.24 | learner | user registration would be good |
| 07:03.31 | learner | and cleaned up menus |
| 07:03.59 | learner | user profile information panel |
| 07:04.48 | learner | we get that, and authenticate to the list server, sending token to server and we could probably release |
| 07:05.15 | learner | so the changelog is gonna get huge before that happens :/ |
| 07:06.07 | CHEN_KANICHI | if you want to do something big, you can help with the features patlabor221 mentioned earlier, if you are up to it |
| 07:06.07 | learner | someone needs to work on patches at some point too -- get the protocol-breaking ones in |
| 07:06.19 | learner | I don't need more on my todo |
| 07:06.35 | CHEN_KANICHI | alright, just giving a few ideas |
| 07:06.48 | learner | what were his ideas? |
| 07:07.05 | learner | i don't suspect anything new at this point :) |
| 07:07.28 | CHEN_KANICHI | got that right, I can't think of many ideas myself :) but some were like stuff involving the time and skyline |
| 07:07.38 | CHEN_KANICHI | I don't have them on my panel anymore, so I can't get too specific |
| 07:07.51 | learner | I'm 90% done with quenching .. that will be big .. and probabaly halfway with logging |
| 07:07.53 | CHEN_KANICHI | pretty much just time and skyline improvements/additions |
| 07:08.05 | learner | ahh, graphics changes |
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| 07:08.20 | MeBigFatGuy | quenching? |
| 07:08.25 | learner | I'd like to put in the real sky rendering library i ran across last year |
| 07:08.43 | learner | MeBigFatGuy surely has heard of quenching |
| 07:09.04 | MeBigFatGuy | you woudl think |
| 07:09.07 | MeBigFatGuy | but no |
| 07:09.28 | learner | I started on it a couple months ago for a few weeks |
| 07:09.34 | learner | related to the position tracker |
| 07:10.04 | learner | network traffic is minimized on objects that are far apart |
| 07:10.20 | MeBigFatGuy | ah |
| 07:10.26 | learner | the farther away, fewer updates |
| 07:10.33 | learner | the closer, more |
| 07:11.00 | learner | turns out, though, that I really need to do some more proper dead-reckoning, though, to quench properly |
| 07:11.08 | learner | otherwise it gets jumpy |
| 07:12.22 | learner | all server-side and initial estimates were showing about a 20%-50% network utilization drop iirc for a 10-20 player server |
| 07:12.40 | MeBigFatGuy | nice |
| 07:12.51 | learner | so when all is said and done, I'm hoping for 10%-30% |
| 07:13.00 | MeBigFatGuy | nifty |
| 07:13.25 | MeBigFatGuy | logging? |
| 07:13.29 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 07:13.29 | learner | you remember the usage graphs? |
| 07:13.44 | MeBigFatGuy | ya |
| 07:13.49 | learner | and how the usage is exponential with the number of players |
| 07:14.06 | learner | well, this almost flattens that curve so it's more linear |
| 07:14.17 | MeBigFatGuy | coo |
| 07:14.30 | learner | so 2x players doesn't consume 10x bandwidth.. it's just 3x or so |
| 07:15.17 | learner | a solid day and I could probably finish it .. hrmph |
| 07:17.38 | trepan | learner: besides what's in the todo list, just wanted to maybe throw 2 extra features in... arbitrary mesh-faces telelinks, and maybe slope sliding |
| 07:18.11 | learner | :) |
| 07:18.11 | trepan | but sliding without adjusting the tank tilt, and with a maximum slope level |
| 07:18.30 | trepan | (just got back from my first tankin' session in a couple of weeks) |
| 07:19.11 | learner | ooh, fun |
| 07:19.23 | learner | I played for the first time in weeks today too |
| 07:19.49 | trepan | ah, and of course, obstacle transform matrices, possibly map grouping, moving the arc/cones/sphere client side, texture matrix/dynamic color/teleporter linking by name in the map |
| 07:20.16 | trepan | finishing the texture matrices, the mesh physics, and the occluders... |
| 07:20.30 | trepan | learner: how did ya play? |
| 07:20.50 | learner | +40 100|60 when I quit |
| 07:21.04 | lan56 | impressive |
| 07:21.10 | trepan | respectable :) CTF? flags? |
| 07:21.12 | learner | but there weren't any of my "foes" playing |
| 07:21.27 | learner | ducati-style, of course |
| 07:21.29 | lan56 | would that make it higher or lower? |
| 07:21.36 | lan56 | as in, if your foes were there |
| 07:21.36 | trepan | like your nemesis, c3po ? =) |
| 07:21.54 | learner | nope, don't see him on ctf |
| 07:22.08 | trepan | thought he's a HiX fan |
| 07:22.12 | learner | never ducati-style, but have seen him on hix |
| 07:22.15 | learner | yah |
| 07:23.04 | lan56 | except with an extra shot |
| 07:23.22 | learner | ducati is folks like chestal, bzg, any of the Z bros, howians, and fortix guys .. old league folk |
| 07:23.42 | learner | there were some unknown (to me) new names that were decent -- but I think it was more because I was rusty |
| 07:23.57 | trepan | and carny, he's a nuissance if on the other team |
| 07:24.00 | learner | hepcat is a "stretch" with threeshot no rico :) |
| 07:24.24 | learner | often too much of a newbiefest |
| 07:24.26 | lan56 | it used to be two shot IIRC |
| 07:24.39 | learner | used to be jumping too |
| 07:24.43 | trepan | true, but i find it's better then having oodles of flags and an equal amount of campers |
| 07:24.46 | lan56 | and a better map :) |
| 07:24.46 | learner | that was just silly :) |
| 07:25.08 | learner | oh yeah.. i definately like the no-flags |
| 07:25.11 | trepan | mine eyes aren't good enough for 2 shots anymore ;) |
| 07:25.19 | learner | the flags really have to balance on the map, and most maps aren't |
| 07:26.15 | learner | carny and I played for quite a while today while i was on |
| 07:26.25 | trepan | he still kickin' butt? |
| 07:26.25 | learner | legolas also showed up |
| 07:26.45 | learner | he was under me the whole time, but yeah kicking |
| 07:27.04 | learner | he outshot me pretty easy |
| 07:27.46 | trepan | tends to give me a learnin' too, him and that bloody dervish dude :) |
| 07:27.53 | learner | he's actually almost pleasant these days now that his banter ceased |
| 07:28.03 | trepan | although, iirc, dervish likes the flagged maps |
| 07:28.18 | learner | huh also showed upa |
| 07:28.25 | learner | as did legolas(!) |
| 07:28.34 | learner | poor legs.. did aweful :) |
| 07:28.37 | trepan | ducati server? |
| 07:28.42 | learner | quols |
| 07:28.56 | trepan | ah... that reminds me, when was the last successful decks! ? |
| 07:29.21 | learner | he was 0-10 or something at the start.. I had him up to 0-8 quick |
| 07:29.29 | trepan | ouch |
| 07:29.33 | learner | he finally got a kill though |
| 07:29.37 | learner | accidentally shot himself |
| 07:29.45 | trepan | nasty =) |
| 07:30.01 | lan56 | heh |
| 07:30.21 | learner | he started to then do better.. |
| 07:30.47 | lan56 | wake up call :) |
| 07:31.00 | learner | he'd been playing a little on secretplace .. think that just messed up his dodging abilities |
| 07:31.21 | trepan | what, where are my other 8 shots? |
| 07:32.03 | learner | i had quite a few dead-on shots on him from a distance .. just wasn't thinking the same :) |
| 07:32.25 | trepan | learner: we really should do a feature freeze sometime, get an agreement between us all, and then start knocking stuff of the list |
| 07:32.56 | trepan | when they're all scratched off, dump it :) |
| 07:32.58 | learner | trepan, i thought we did :) |
| 07:33.08 | trepan | learner: you weren't around that day |
| 07:33.36 | learner | i was .. i was just a little pissed off |
| 07:33.38 | trepan | it was a Sunday, with a gentle breeze and plenty of sunshine, but no learner was to be found |
| 07:33.51 | trepan | weren't you at the family rez? |
| 07:33.58 | lan56 | probably surfing I'd guess |
| 07:34.28 | learner | actually yeah, i was also away that sunday .. but by that friday I'd lost the motivation to press it |
| 07:34.53 | MeBigFatGuy | poor learner |
| 07:35.08 | learner | poor me |
| 07:35.27 | learner | lan56, east coast surfing isn't nearly as fun :P |
| 07:35.34 | trepan | how's this then, we all add whatever we think can be finished within a month to the TODO list, and close the list next Friday |
| 07:35.41 | trepan | items get assigned names... |
| 07:36.06 | learner | sounds good to me |
| 07:36.09 | lan56 | learner: could have sworn I heard patlabor221 saying you were into surfing, and on such a perfect and quiet day, first guess I had *shrug* |
| 07:36.16 | MeBigFatGuy | as long as the name is 'trepan' |
| 07:36.21 | trepan | ~lart MeBigFatGuy |
| 07:36.27 | trepan | ouch |
| 07:36.28 | learner | lan56 I love surfing |
| 07:36.32 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 07:36.48 | lan56 | phew, then my ears work fine :) |
| 07:37.03 | learner | lan56, just learned how to last time I was out in cali |
| 07:37.14 | trepan | MeBigFatGuy: pat mentionned you might want to do a little OpenGL, interested in speeding the radar up a little? =) |
| 07:37.16 | learner | been out four times now |
| 07:37.32 | MeBigFatGuy | pat said that? |
| 07:37.43 | learner | for several hours each.. I can keep up fairly decently now |
| 07:37.46 | trepan | yup, might have been drunk though, was typng rather porrly |
| 07:37.57 | MeBigFatGuy | well, that wouldn't be drunk |
| 07:38.00 | MeBigFatGuy | that's just pat |
| 07:38.01 | trepan | heh |
| 07:38.01 | learner | hehe |
| 07:38.34 | lan56 | heh |
| 07:38.42 | trepan | anyways, that's my suggestion in terms of settling on a release timeframe |
| 07:38.59 | learner | trepan, all we really "need" at this point is a lot of bug fixing |
| 07:39.20 | learner | the only feature that might hold us up is the usual -- stuff tim wants |
| 07:39.58 | learner | anything that can't be 1.12.1? |
| 07:40.06 | trepan | pretty meshes just ain't enough, they'ze gotta be solid |
| 07:40.30 | learner | I'm thinking more protocol-wise |
| 07:40.35 | trepan | network auth should be done, radar speedup should be done |
| 07:40.47 | learner | in that regard even my quenching and logging are not show-stoppers |
| 07:41.04 | trepan | i wuold hope for at least quenching :) |
| 07:41.36 | learner | well see.. there are some protocol bugs to work out with that too |
| 07:41.57 | trepan | but that's all server side, so i'm not as worried if it's pushed to 1.12.1 |
| 07:42.02 | learner | like observers getting packets mislabeled or something |
| 07:42.07 | learner | right |
| 07:42.15 | trepan | and logging too i guess |
| 07:42.47 | learner | actually, logging might break compatibility .. but it's "minor" .. not protocol compatibility |
| 07:42.52 | learner | just file format compatibility |
| 07:43.04 | trepan | for the bzfs conf file? |
| 07:43.04 | learner | like if folks are relying on an output structure from bzfs of the client |
| 07:43.33 | learner | it could .. |
| 07:43.33 | trepan | gotcha |
| 07:43.42 | learner | not clear that it needs it, though |
| 07:44.03 | learner | more likely "extreme" would be the console messages |
| 07:44.44 | learner | but I'm only starting with primary application logging needs for now |
| 07:52.19 | trepan | the other thing i'd change is manditory usage of the master ban list and user auth for any public server :) |
| 07:53.14 | learner | the master ban list isn't mandatory |
| 07:53.18 | trepan | of course, with a user auth DB, the master ban list would sort of become irrelevant |
| 07:53.19 | learner | you can shut it off |
| 07:53.25 | trepan | learner: i know it isn't |
| 07:53.37 | learner | ahh, so make it mandatory :) |
| 07:53.40 | learner | ? |
| 07:53.47 | trepan | yup, it was an ambiguous statement |
| 07:53.58 | learner | heh |
| 07:54.13 | trepan | there's no real reason for a legit server not to use it |
| 07:54.21 | learner | that was a rather hefty bit of empowerment added |
| 07:54.25 | trepan | or user authentication once that's in place |
| 07:55.00 | learner | assuming it always works and the bans are clear-cut cases |
| 07:55.28 | trepan | we control the bans, and hopefully were not dumb enough to BAN 68.*.*.* |
| 07:55.32 | learner | which I imagine they will be |
| 07:56.10 | learner | more along the lines of banning someone for just being silly one day when one of us was in a bad mood |
| 07:56.54 | learner | not likely with the devs, but it'll definately be something that can happen |
| 07:57.09 | learner | more frequently happens when the kids are given ban power |
| 07:57.31 | trepan | yup, just make sure the right people have access |
| 07:57.58 | learner | the banlist could use some improving |
| 07:58.12 | learner | to say when the ban was added minimally |
| 07:58.38 | learner | in addition to the format |
| 07:58.43 | learner | allow comments in the file |
| 07:59.04 | learner | and some better way that adns to handle hostmask bans |
| 07:59.37 | trepan | provides automatic updates because the authentication will have to be relayed through the DB server, and provides for the ability to track IP/nick usage |
| 08:00.30 | learner | perhaps, but requiring registration won't be happening |
| 08:00.54 | trepan | that's unfortunate |
| 08:00.58 | learner | it's a burden to play against the mantra of just "download, install, run, select server, play" |
| 08:02.04 | learner | now profiles with automatic authentication once it's set up seriously makes that a non-burden eventually |
| 08:02.34 | trepan | that's basically what i'm talking about, and would expect for 1.12 |
| 08:02.57 | trepan | even have the initial registration built into the client |
| 08:03.07 | learner | but that will require more work on our end, the likes of such details tend to get "forgotten" come implementation time |
| 08:03.18 | trepan | download, install, run, register, select, server, play |
| 08:04.22 | learner | if registration were as simple as that, it would work -- likely won't be, though |
| 08:05.30 | learner | minimally it'll would probably be a simple callsign/password field -- and if the username wasn't found, the client would ask to validate that they wanted a new account, and repeat password -- then play |
| 08:06.11 | trepan | sans password would be preferable, unless it was a shared machine |
| 08:06.12 | learner | i think tim has it kicking off an e-mail right now too -- don't know if reg stuff is in there |
| 08:06.47 | learner | register without a password? |
| 08:07.02 | learner | what's to prevent me from "being" you? |
| 08:07.33 | trepan | user's don't have to remember they're passwords, and it provides for more security |
| 08:07.39 | trepan | s/they're/their |
| 08:07.40 | learner | so i hop onto a second machine.. and then? |
| 08:07.49 | trepan | make sure you've got your key file |
| 08:07.53 | learner | heh |
| 08:07.57 | learner | riight |
| 08:08.20 | trepan | i do it all the time with SSH (a do many others), and find it way better then telnet/password |
| 08:08.33 | trepan | s/\(a/\(as |
| 08:08.53 | learner | just the fact that you willingly use ssh separates you from many players |
| 08:10.01 | learner | plenty of users I've had to explain how to "find" a file.. making the leap of actually transferring some file to another computer in their house is not an easy one |
| 08:10.55 | trepan | and to place any file in the right directory, that can take an hour of explaning |
| 08:10.58 | learner | something more in line with passwords and tickets are more all-around solutions i think |
| 08:11.14 | learner | you register with a password once .. that gives you a ticket |
| 08:11.24 | learner | the ticket is used thereafter (until it expires) |
| 08:11.31 | learner | akin to kerberos |
| 08:11.49 | learner | or kerberos even if tupone gets it all working |
| 08:13.52 | trepan | ciao, sleep time |
| 08:14.06 | learner | same |
| 08:14.40 | lan56 | ciao to both of you |
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| 10:13.56 | Tupone | hi Chiko :) |
| 10:18.14 | RC_cola | ciao tupo =) |
| 10:19.13 | Tupone | RC_cola: I saw the flag problem when you are killed for tk. Is a bug, I have to see if I can correct |
| 10:19.42 | RC_cola | o okies |
| 10:19.46 | RC_cola | kewl =) |
| 10:20.11 | RC_cola | im sure alot of peeps would appreciate dat fix =) |
| 10:20.26 | RC_cola | u kno wut |
| 10:20.48 | RC_cola | i tho bout tryin 2 fix dat bug meeself 2day |
| 10:21.07 | RC_cola | i went 2 da bookstor an looked at da C books |
| 10:21.13 | Tupone | ohhh |
| 10:21.28 | Tupone | :) |
| 10:21.40 | RC_cola | da C book 4 dummies iz so hugh =P |
| 10:21.55 | RC_cola | itl like 600 pages big umz |
| 10:21.59 | Tupone | wow |
| 10:22.05 | RC_cola | ya skeery mee =P |
| 10:22.13 | Tupone | umz ??? |
| 10:22.25 | RC_cola | an dat iz suppose 2 b for puter dummies like mee =P |
| 10:22.51 | Tupone | what is mean "umz", sry? |
| 10:23.20 | RC_cola | big umz means 2 b 4 mee |
| 10:23.44 | RC_cola | mayb not big 4 sum , buh too much 4 mee . it was a heavy book |
| 10:23.51 | RC_cola | hehee |
| 10:24.20 | RC_cola | i need a C book for totally helpless non-puter peeps |
| 10:24.25 | RC_cola | ;) |
| 10:24.31 | Tupone | remember, I still take sometime to read you :(, You miss from here, so I cannot exercise |
| 10:24.43 | RC_cola | lol awn i srry |
| 10:25.12 | RC_cola | np ;) |
| 10:25.23 | Tupone | you will not be helpless, if you wanna do it ;) |
| 10:25.37 | RC_cola | i can program in basic |
| 10:25.44 | RC_cola | ;) |
| 10:26.43 | RC_cola | *sigh* |
| 10:26.43 | Tupone | basic? which basic? |
| 10:26.51 | RC_cola | basic basic |
| 10:27.12 | Tupone | there are a lot of that in the world, and are quite different |
| 10:28.04 | RC_cola | o |
| 10:28.07 | RC_cola | hmm |
| 10:28.31 | RC_cola | like wut dey used wif da old apples |
| 10:28.57 | Tupone | oh, it is a basic basic |
| 10:29.08 | Tupone | :) |
| 10:29.20 | RC_cola | 100 print line "u kno wut i mean?" |
| 10:29.28 | RC_cola | 200 input a$ |
| 10:29.43 | Tupone | yeah, I got it |
| 10:29.45 | RC_cola | 300 if a$ = "yes" then goto line 500 |
| 10:30.07 | RC_cola | 400 if a$ ="no" then goto line 600 |
| 10:30.39 | RC_cola | 500 print line "yay" |
| 10:30.52 | RC_cola | 600 print line "boo" |
| 10:30.57 | RC_cola | 700 end |
| 10:30.58 | RC_cola | ;) |
| 10:31.01 | RC_cola | heehe |
| 10:31.04 | Tupone | yes |
| 10:31.06 | Tupone | yeay |
| 10:31.07 | Tupone | boo |
| 10:39.30 | RC_cola | i'm sleepy now |
| 10:39.37 | RC_cola | -.- |
| 10:40.32 | RC_cola | nite nite |
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| 11:17.57 | huwr | Wish me luck with my exams tommorow... |
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| 11:47.39 | Knights | yes i got that client 2 work i think |
| 11:48.18 | Knights | ~seen nidhoggr |
| 11:48.32 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #bzflag (12d 21h 55m 29s). Has said a total of 822 messages. Is idling for 4h 46m 46s |
| 11:48.32 | [dmp] | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.43 | Knights | well\ |
| 11:48.54 | Knights | ppl were telling me 2 get a client |
| 11:49.10 | Knights | and i think i got it up and runing |
| 11:49.35 | [dmp] | But you're still using the webinterface ? |
| 11:49.56 | Knights | it is client-notepad |
| 11:51.26 | Knights | it also says Transferiring data from db.bzflag.org |
| 11:51.49 | Knights | %c |
| 11:52.25 | Knights | |
| 11:52.53 | [dmp] | ok. so you client is notepad, and you using that to chat on irc? :-) |
| 11:53.12 | Knights | yup |
| 11:53.38 | Knights | www.xchat.com |
| 11:53.58 | [dmp] | im already using xchat. |
| 11:56.09 | Knights | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.58 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (~frank@p50821484.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:14.05 | *** join/#bzflag RoMy (~none@cs78255253.pp.htv.fi) |
| 12:23.30 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c-bc0e71d5.17-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 12:25.51 | [dmp] | howdy david_v .. How is the bughunting going? :) |
| 12:27.15 | david_v | but, i solved the bug though, at least i think so :) |
| 12:27.32 | [dmp] | :) |
| 12:28.15 | david_v | hey... mind if i ask, could you setup /provide a link to some kind of stats for the site? |
