| 00:03.22 | *** part/#bzflag tegan (~lyra@dsl017-034-201.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 00:04.38 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-123-194.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 00:05.08 | learner | hrmph i need a faster scanner |
| 00:05.35 | learner | at this rate I'm only getting about 4 8x10" scans per hour |
| 00:05.47 | lan56 | dang, that's really slow |
| 00:05.52 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: note one of my masterpieces |
| 00:05.58 | learner | they are high res.. large files .. but still |
| 00:06.08 | lan56 | well, a little grace I suppose |
| 00:08.03 | learner | hrm, i suppose I should eat today |
| 00:08.49 | lan56 | what are you going to eat? |
| 00:09.04 | DTRemenak | children :) |
| 00:09.10 | lan56 | yum :) |
| 00:09.13 | *** join/#bzflag MeBigFatGuy (dave@balt-209-150-116-137.dynamic-dial.qis.net) |
| 00:09.20 | lan56 | he is a monster after all :) |
| 00:09.33 | MeBigFatGuy | new 'must register' rules here? |
| 00:10.23 | DTRemenak | MeBigFatGuy: learner probably forgot to turn it off |
| 00:10.40 | MeBigFatGuy | ah.. was chasing someone off? |
| 00:10.48 | lan56 | a cheater |
| 00:11.16 | DTRemenak | there were munchkins present - the logs are an interesting read if you're interested :) |
| 00:11.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [-r] by learner |
| 00:11.21 | bryjen | attempting to lower the SNR in a conversation that was mostly noise anyway |
| 00:11.36 | learner | DTRemenak: i wouldn't say "interesting" |
| 00:11.41 | DTRemenak | ~bryjen++ |
| 00:11.47 | learner | but if you have hours to kill maybe :) |
| 00:11.50 | MeBigFatGuy | how does registering stop that... ? |
| 00:11.51 | DTRemenak | anything is interesting if you're interested ;) |
| 00:11.55 | MeBigFatGuy | just not smart enough to register? |
| 00:12.09 | lan56 | munchkins aren't smart enough I suppose |
| 00:12.11 | learner | nah, it wasn't to chase him off |
| 00:12.12 | bryjen | uhm lower/raise whateva |
| 00:12.22 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzadmin-pdcurses.dev bzadmin.dev): throw the towel in: just do -O3 and -fexpensive-optimizations (or whatever the option is), since bzadmin is small enough that this won't add too much compile time (if any noticable amount at all) |
| 00:12.27 | learner | there were commenting coming in from others that just added to the noise |
| 00:12.54 | learner | it shut them up for a little while at least |
| 00:13.14 | lan56 | and then it got madness, and there was an intelligent conversation about ethics and legality in there, as well as one about prostitutes and the best (and worst) places for them |
| 00:13.18 | learner | howdy mbfg! :) |
| 00:13.57 | Patlabor221 | the convo was at least on topic |
| 00:14.05 | DTRemenak | lan56: you call that an intelligent conversation? |
| 00:14.11 | lan56 | the ethics one, yes |
| 00:14.17 | lan56 | there were some nice examples in there |
| 00:14.21 | DTRemenak | oh, and hi MeBigFatGuy |
| 00:14.24 | Patlabor221 | well I'd call it the cheating convo |
| 00:14.28 | Patlabor221 | but you can call it what you wish |
| 00:14.28 | learner | that was rather dumb, actually, I thought |
| 00:14.37 | MeBigFatGuy | lo |
| 00:15.49 | Patlabor221 | it was NOT an rational discution tho |
| 00:15.49 | learner | all you have to do is pick up a dictionary to realize that ethics and legalities are not the same thing |
| 00:15.50 | lan56 | on that other guy's part yes, I can't believe he thought it was fine and dandy to marry or be atrracted sexually to your family |
| 00:15.50 | lan56 | that chatter should be taken out with the garbage this week |
| 00:15.50 | Patlabor221 | it's legal in difrent cultures |
| 00:15.50 | Patlabor221 | morality is relitive to the society you are in |
| 00:15.50 | learner | heck, even in different states |
| 00:15.50 | lan56 | then he should state that |
| 00:15.52 | Patlabor221 | it's not legal to mary a direct sibling anywhere in the US |
| 00:15.54 | lan56 | if he stated it, i would have respected him much more |
| 00:16.00 | Patlabor221 | the closest to go is cousin |
| 00:16.06 | MeBigFatGuy | 2nd? |
| 00:16.19 | Patlabor221 | I think it's all 2nd now |
| 00:16.27 | Patlabor221 | some states JUST pushed it back from 1st |
| 00:16.34 | Patlabor221 | like in the past 10 years |
| 00:17.04 | Patlabor221 | I mean my cousins turned out to be very good looking ladies, but..ewwww. |
| 00:17.05 | bryjen | egging that thread on was just trolling. |
| 00:17.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:17.27 | Patlabor221 | so master ban list, sound good to everyone? |
| 00:17.54 | bryjen | huh? |
| 00:18.04 | Patlabor221 | if the server is -public, and using db.bzflag.org and isn't started with -no_master_ban, then it'll try to get a master ban list from bzflag.sf.net/master_ban.txt |
| 00:18.06 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221: I think there should be a way to turn it off for a server. |
| 00:18.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:18.11 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 00:18.15 | Patlabor221 | be a switch |
| 00:18.32 | bryjen | who maintains master_ban.txt ? |
| 00:18.43 | Patlabor221 | it would be on SF, so anyone with dev access |
| 00:18.46 | Patlabor221 | so US |
| 00:19.32 | Patlabor221 | If Tim trusts us enough to make changes to code, then this seems to fall in line |
| 00:19.41 | Patlabor221 | It would be reserved for gross chaters |
| 00:19.57 | Patlabor221 | like the same ban list that is in the list server |
| 00:20.08 | learner | heck, we could toss it in as a cvs module so it would be announced, tracked, commented, etc |
| 00:20.15 | bryjen | that whole incest topic was gross. i vote we ban lan56 for starting it. ;) |
| 00:20.19 | Patlabor221 | that woudl could as well |
| 00:20.22 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:20.29 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221: should probably modify the server to send a separate ban message if it's from the master list. otherwise you'll get people asking server ops to be unbanned when they're actually on the master list. |
| 00:20.30 | Patlabor221 | who seconds the motion? |
| 00:20.35 | bryjen | unless you meant chEaters |
| 00:20.35 | lan56 | bryjen: just trying to mention how awful it was |
| 00:20.39 | DTRemenak | in cvs - yes |
| 00:20.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah could have the message change |
| 00:20.46 | lan56 | bryjen: that guy accepted it like there was no problem with such a thing! |
| 00:20.53 | DTRemenak | lan56: drop it. |
| 00:20.58 | Patlabor221 | really lan |
| 00:21.06 | lan56 | sure thing :) |
| 00:21.17 | Patlabor221 | ok lan56 seconds the baning motion |
| 00:21.18 | lan56 | darn right! :) |
| 00:21.21 | Patlabor221 | all those in favor? |
| 00:21.23 | learner | yeah man.. i've got some really hot cousins :) |
| 00:21.29 | learner | leave 'em alone :) |
| 00:21.40 | Patlabor221 | can I oggle your hot cousins? |
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| 00:21.51 | learner | heh |
| 00:21.52 | fiberchunks | me too |
| 00:21.55 | DTRemenak | *cough* in cvs sounds good to me |
| 00:22.01 | lan56 | I am getting banned permanently because bryjen had to open his big mouth :) |
| 00:22.07 | Patlabor221 | you seconed it |
| 00:22.29 | dj28 | sounds like something to be abused |
| 00:22.33 | Patlabor221 | DTRemenak: is there a "reason" sent with the ban message? |
| 00:22.38 | DTRemenak | could use the viewcvs checkout command to retrieve it |
| 00:22.43 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221: not sure. ought to be |
| 00:22.45 | MeBigFatGuy | yes, i think so |
| 00:22.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah and it'd have history. |
| 00:22.54 | Patlabor221 | could see who added stuff to it |
| 00:22.54 | learner | DTRemenak: yea, maybe make a simple cvs update every few hours to keep it checked out |
| 00:23.03 | trepan | Patlabor221: there's no message, it's at the top of the TODO list |
| 00:23.16 | DTRemenak | learner: viewcvs is just http, don't need to use cvs protocol that way |
| 00:23.26 | learner | dj28, we already control and are entrusted with the list server -- this is no different |
| 00:23.26 | Patlabor221 | well then if it's going to be done all master ban list reasons could say where |
| 00:23.38 | Patlabor221 | the list server has a ban list |
| 00:23.44 | learner | dj28, there is already a master ban list actually -- we're just proposing enforcing it better |
| 00:24.07 | dj28 | i'll edit the master list code out of my server |
| 00:24.17 | Patlabor221 | GMTA? |
| 00:24.17 | bryjen | plugging security hole, you should like it. |
| 00:24.18 | dj28 | if there isn't a flag to disable |
| 00:24.19 | DTRemenak | dj28: there'll be a flag to turn it off |
| 00:24.38 | Patlabor221 | dj28: if you would read, I said if the server wasn't started with -no_master_ban |
| 00:24.44 | learner | heh, yeah, -- but feel free to comment if it makes you feel better |
| 00:25.08 | dj28 | a master server invites abuse |
| 00:25.17 | learner | ~gmta |
| 00:25.18 | ibot | i guess gmta is Great Minds Think Alike |
| 00:25.23 | Patlabor221 | so does an open source game it seems |
| 00:25.24 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 00:25.35 | Patlabor221 | karma is going to be abused All to hell |
| 00:25.42 | bryjen | !lart Patlabor221 |
| 00:25.43 | dj28 | yes but open source is not centralized like a master ban db |
| 00:25.51 | CHEN_KANICHI | with the "a" and "h' capitalized? :) |
| 00:25.52 | DTRemenak | dj28: nothing's stopping someone from running a second master db and list server |
| 00:25.54 | Patlabor221 | nether is the list server? |
| 00:25.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah you can run your own |
| 00:26.01 | DTRemenak | it's relatively easy to do |
| 00:26.10 | Patlabor221 | heck I got one running |
| 00:26.18 | dj28 | getting people to download a client other than the one on bzflag.org is not easy |
| 00:26.21 | trepan | and the corollary: FSD |
| 00:26.22 | bryjen | guu: hello? |
| 00:26.22 | Patlabor221 | Knightmare can't even see the list server machine |
| 00:26.32 | learner | dj28, and there is a good reason for that |
| 00:26.32 | Patlabor221 | dj28: just give them a new command line |
| 00:26.41 | Patlabor221 | why trust code from untrusted sources. |
| 00:26.41 | DTRemenak | dj28: use the -list parameter then |
| 00:27.06 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user) |
| 00:27.15 | DTRemenak | dj28: the servers are already decentralized, and can choose to join a different list server, or none at all |
| 00:27.31 | DTRemenak | the list server only serves to bring the players and servers together. |
| 00:27.42 | Patlabor221 | it's a service Tim choses to provide |
| 00:28.00 | dj28 | or rather, sourceforge |
| 00:28.02 | dj28 | right? |
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| 00:28.10 | DTRemenak | list server's on Tim's own machine |
| 00:28.14 | Patlabor221 | no Tim hosts it |
| 00:28.20 | Patlabor221 | SF does not host the list |
| 00:28.33 | Patlabor221 | the list server should even move soon |
| 00:28.36 | Patlabor221 | hopefuly |
| 00:28.38 | DTRemenak | hopefully |
| 00:29.06 | Patlabor221 | using SF for the master ban list is just nice as it has the tools to allow more then one point of entry to it, with tracking and controll. |
| 00:29.25 | learner | big 'ol "should" |
| 00:29.32 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 00:29.37 | Patlabor221 | any other ideas? |
| 00:29.45 | Patlabor221 | hence the open discussion |
| 00:30.20 | dj28 | i think the master ban server should be turned off by default for servers |
| 00:30.26 | dj28 | and enabled at request |
| 00:30.30 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 00:30.36 | Patlabor221 | the one on the list server is all the time |
| 00:30.39 | Patlabor221 | we should be consistent |
| 00:30.43 | dj28 | because many server admins may not realize |
| 00:30.47 | DTRemenak | dj28: part of the reason for having it is because there are a lot of servers which are ultra-poorly adminned |
| 00:30.48 | Patlabor221 | it'll be in the release notes |
| 00:30.55 | Patlabor221 | they should read them before they update |
| 00:30.56 | dj28 | so? |
| 00:31.01 | dj28 | that is their choice |
| 00:31.02 | dj28 | is it not |
| 00:31.12 | DTRemenak | yes - and it's also their choice to turn this off |
| 00:31.16 | Patlabor221 | it's our choice to put what we want as defaults |
| 00:31.22 | learner | dj28, I added unbans just a couple weeks ago -- an operator could exempt anyone specifically too |
| 00:31.23 | dj28 | no it's not |
| 00:31.24 | Patlabor221 | it has to be defaulted one way or another |
| 00:31.47 | learner | er, antibans are what we decided to call them |
| 00:31.48 | DTRemenak | if they can't be bothered to turn it off, then it should probably be on anyway. |
| 00:32.09 | Patlabor221 | we added many new features that default to on sometimes |
| 00:32.31 | learner | one in particular that is going to be a headache, i think |
| 00:32.34 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 00:32.36 | learner | underline vs pulsating |
| 00:32.40 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 00:32.40 | dj28 | ok fine. then give me cvs access to the banlist if it's no big deal |
| 00:32.41 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 00:32.46 | Patlabor221 | unerline is ass |
| 00:32.46 | dj28 | so "trust" is arbitrary |
| 00:32.47 | DTRemenak | dj28: earn it. |
| 00:32.54 | dj28 | so "trust" is arbitrary |
| 00:33.12 | Patlabor221 | and the patches you have submited are ....? |
| 00:33.15 | CHEN_KANICHI | so "trust" is arbitrary? |
| 00:33.33 | Patlabor221 | CVS access is generaly based on how much you work with the comunity. |
| 00:33.38 | DTRemenak | dj28: there's a project maintainer for a reason. it's not arbitrary, it's his call. |
| 00:33.50 | learner | dj28: whotf are you? you show up one day with a cheat client and expect dev access to bz?? |
| 00:34.11 | Patlabor221 | I think he fears he will be put on it, next time he "tests" |
| 00:34.12 | dj28 | it was a rhetorical request |
| 00:34.14 | dj28 | to make a point |
| 00:34.54 | Patlabor221 | presently additions for CVS access are sugested by memers of the comunity |
| 00:35.00 | DTRemenak | dj28: have you ever taken a logic class? If so, you should review your notes. If not, you should take one. |
| 00:35.02 | Patlabor221 | it is a peer related trust issue |
| 00:35.12 | learner | well, no it's not arbitrary -- all the devs showed for some time that they have some value that they are able to contribute to the game, there is some need for them to contribute, and that they are willing to work with others |
| 00:35.23 | dj28 | DTRemenak: i took discrete mathmatics back in college |
| 00:35.23 | learner | _before_ they had access they did that |
| 00:35.46 | learner | haha, dm is not logic |
| 00:35.52 | dj28 | yes it is |
| 00:35.58 | learner | wtf |
| 00:36.06 | learner | well, take a logic class buddy |
| 00:36.16 | learner | then you'll understand why it's not |
| 00:36.20 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 00:36.20 | dj28 | logic is the fist chapter of any discrete book |
| 00:36.26 | CHEN_KANICHI | fist? |
| 00:36.36 | dj28 | first |
| 00:36.46 | CHEN_KANICHI | heh |
| 00:36.55 | dj28 | predicates and quanitifiers, propositional equivalences, etc |
| 00:36.58 | DTRemenak | ~nickometer CHEN_KANICHI |
| 00:36.58 | ibot | 'CHEN_KANICHI' is 99.9287% lame, dtremenak |
| 00:37.02 | DTRemenak | thought so |
| 00:37.03 | dj28 | logic usually comes before that |
| 00:37.05 | CHEN_KANICHI | :)))) |
| 00:37.11 | Patlabor221 | perhaps tht's why he has so many issues with equality |
| 00:37.25 | CHEN_KANICHI | it's just because chen kanichi is too much of a royal, iron chef for you fellas to take :) |
| 00:37.55 | learner | dj28, you're missing the 1-way association |
| 00:38.28 | PrezKennedy | ~nickometer dj28 |
| 00:38.28 | ibot | 'dj28' is 19.000% lame, prezkennedy |
| 00:38.32 | Patlabor221 | lan56 != funny |
| 00:38.42 | Patlabor221 | wow that's less lame then I am |
| 00:38.49 | bryjen | PrezKennedy: that can't be right. |
| 00:38.51 | bryjen | ;) |
| 00:38.56 | PrezKennedy | needs fixin |
| 00:38.57 | Patlabor221 | it's too short |
| 00:39.01 | PrezKennedy | ~nickometer PrezKennedy |
| 00:39.01 | ibot | 'PrezKennedy' is 0.000% lame, prezkennedy |
| 00:39.05 | PrezKennedy | oh yea! |
| 00:39.47 | Patlabor221 | what is the current format for a banlist? |
| 00:39.57 | bryjen | another 1-way, just because you are _not_ lame doesn't mean that you aren't _something_ else ;) |
| 00:40.02 | Patlabor221 | just mask \n mask \n ..... ? |
| 00:40.15 | learner | bryjen: :) |
| 00:40.22 | *** join/#bzflag lovebug (spooky@dsl-hkigw1ie1.dial.inet.fi) |
| 00:40.46 | PrezKennedy | ~nickometer bryjen |
| 00:40.46 | ibot | 'bryjen' is 0.000% lame, prezkennedy |
| 00:40.53 | PrezKennedy | youre correct bryjen ;) |
| 00:41.02 | CHEN_KANICHI | I think bryjen hacked ibot to say that :) |
| 00:41.03 | bryjen | I _know_ i am tho. |
| 00:41.14 | bryjen | ;) |
| 00:41.18 | PrezKennedy | you know youre what?? |
| 00:41.51 | bryjen | PrezKennedy: not going to say here ;) |
| 00:42.28 | bryjen | i am also just kidding you :) |
| 00:42.38 | *** join/#bzflag BZFlag6327 (www-data@c-24-1-104-25.client.comcast.net) |
| 00:42.43 | learner | ahh |
| 00:43.21 | PrezKennedy | wow someone plugged an ide drive in while their computer was on... |
| 00:43.49 | bryjen | let the magic smoke out? |
| 00:46.24 | PrezKennedy | thats a good way to end the magic... |
| 00:46.41 | scanline | I wouldnt' think that would damage the drive, just confuse the IDE controller a bit |
| 00:46.59 | PrezKennedy | who knows what it could do |
| 00:47.10 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/3D/TextureFont.cxx: and now, from the department of redundancy department... |
| 00:47.10 | DTRemenak | I've done it without ill effects for CD drives many a time |
| 00:48.44 | Patlabor221 | learner if I make it work from a fixed URL, I can leave it up to you to take care of the CVS part of it, making it copy the file from CVS to webspace? |
| 00:48.55 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221: no need |
| 00:49.01 | Patlabor221 | is it automaic? |
| 00:49.08 | learner | no need? |
| 00:49.29 | Patlabor221 | I know it's mirrored in CVS, but I thought it wasn't the same space |
| 00:49.29 | DTRemenak | http://cvs.sf.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/bzflag/bzflag/ChangeLog |
| 00:49.40 | Patlabor221 | ohh that's fugly |
| 00:49.50 | learner | eep :) |
| 00:49.52 | Patlabor221 | what if they change the CVS system |
| 00:49.54 | DTRemenak | then set up a redirect |
| 00:49.59 | Patlabor221 | or the web interface |
| 00:50.03 | learner | DTRemenak, it would be nice to control just when an update is updated |
| 00:50.03 | DTRemenak | copying it is fugly :) |
| 00:50.14 | learner | so we could disable it for example, yet retain cvs |
| 00:50.26 | Patlabor221 | well I'll make it take a URL, we can change the URL to whatever is decided. |
| 00:50.35 | learner | we can keep a snapshot checkout in the webroot that cvs updates periodically |
| 00:51.10 | learner | so no copying, just a cvs update |
| 00:51.10 | DTRemenak | don't see how that's any better - whatever |
| 00:51.17 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx CmdLineOptions.h): add master ban list suppresion switch |
| 00:51.22 | learner | well, we could turn off the update if we had to |
| 00:51.27 | learner | and manually set the file |
| 00:51.29 | Patlabor221 | there now I will feel guilty and finish it :) |
| 00:51.31 | learner | or remove the file, etc |
| 00:51.36 | DTRemenak | with a redirect you could also |
| 00:51.44 | CHEN_KANICHI | what's the difference between the ban list and the master ban list? |
| 00:51.48 | DTRemenak | just have it set to that address by default |
| 00:51.55 | Patlabor221 | the ban list is per server |
| 00:52.03 | Patlabor221 | master ban list comes from the internet |
| 00:52.11 | CHEN_KANICHI | ahh, not a bad idea |
| 00:53.49 | Patlabor221 | did you not read the discussion on it just now? |
| 00:54.23 | CHEN_KANICHI | well, I was a bit busy with a few other things |
| 00:54.32 | Patlabor221 | scroll :) |
| 00:54.50 | CHEN_KANICHI | I already did /clear though |
| 00:54.55 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 00:55.05 | CHEN_KANICHI | I need some colors man |
| 00:55.08 | CHEN_KANICHI | too much black |
| 00:55.14 | CHEN_KANICHI | a white screen is relief |
| 00:55.23 | Patlabor221 | umm ok |
| 00:56.45 | Patlabor221 | there is a reason stored in the banfile currently |
| 00:58.32 | bryjen | its displayed in the /banlist methinks |
| 00:59.04 | Patlabor221 | I'm trying to see if it's used |
| 00:59.13 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.20 | Patlabor221 | that seems to indicate that it is |
| 00:59.55 | bryjen | you may get sent it on the initial /ban but i think if you try to reconnect, the list check happens real soon in the process, so your just dropped. |
| 01:00.20 | Patlabor221 | what is the message that is sent now? |
| 01:00.21 | *** join/#bzflag amonkey (~mulfordgp@user-0can36s.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 01:01.22 | amonkey | Anybody here know how to compile the bzflag source code on Mac OS X? |
| 01:01.31 | learner | not i :) |
| 01:01.38 | CHEN_KANICHI | do you know C++, amonkey? |
| 01:01.44 | amonkey | I know C |
| 01:01.48 | learner | amonkey, i jest -- what'cha need? |
| 01:01.51 | CHEN_KANICHI | that's good enough |
| 01:01.58 | amonkey | Okay |
| 01:02.02 | amonkey | ... |
| 01:02.20 | learner | follow the unix/linux compilation instructions |
| 01:02.36 | amonkey | hmmm... |
| 01:03.13 | amonkey | How do you run commands in a CVS directory? |
| 01:03.16 | Patlabor221 | wow, presently there is NO info sent to the user when they try to log in again |
| 01:03.16 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 01:03.20 | Patlabor221 | just a close |
| 01:04.20 | bryjen | Patlabor221: yeah |
| 01:04.34 | Patlabor221 | problem is, they arn't a "player" yet |
| 01:04.41 | Patlabor221 | so we can't send them back any messages |
| 01:04.58 | Patlabor221 | they haven't even got an ack of the connection |
| 01:05.11 | learner | you can send back a new rejection type |
| 01:05.28 | Patlabor221 | there isn't even a type sent back now |
| 01:05.33 | Patlabor221 | if (!clOptions->acl.validate( clientAddr.sin_addr)) { |
| 01:05.33 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.33 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.33 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.35 | learner | which the client will need to respond to with a custom message |
| 01:05.38 | learner | hrm |
| 01:05.46 | Patlabor221 | just BAM |
| 01:05.48 | Patlabor221 | no socket |
| 01:05.51 | bryjen | learner: its done very early |
| 01:06.03 | Patlabor221 | right in acceptClient |
| 01:06.43 | scanline | bzflag needs force feedback |
| 01:07.11 | Patlabor221 | well I can hook up the merge from a master ban list, and then just set the "source" to be "master ban list" |
| 01:07.19 | scanline | now that I've written a joystick driver that supports force feedback, I find out that there are basically zero games for linux that support it :P |
| 01:07.25 | scanline | so maybe bzflag can start a trend |
| 01:07.27 | Patlabor221 | then whoever figures out a way to do the reasons will pick it up |
| 01:07.31 | MeBigFatGuy | amonkey you either a graphical cvs client that you execute commands from a menu, or have a cmd line client, which you need to execute thru the cmd shell |
| 01:09.07 | trepan_away | Patlabor221: for the ban message, just send back the protocol version starting with a '*' or something, followed by the message length, and then the message? |
| 01:09.09 | SportChick | Patlabor221, will the masterban list be in addition to local server ban lists? |
| 01:09.29 | Patlabor221 | trepan: nothing is sent back now at all |
| 01:09.35 | Patlabor221 | SportChick: yes |
| 01:09.42 | Patlabor221 | if the server dosn't supress it |
| 01:10.14 | Patlabor221 | so people don't have to use it |
| 01:10.17 | trepan | Patlabor221: i know, i was the one who added the TODO item ;) |
| 01:10.20 | SportChick | will the person attempting to log on know which ban list is stopping them from connecting? will there be some sort of a message? or is that what you are discussing? |
| 01:10.32 | bryjen | "inquire with the server admins" can still be the first step for ban victims. the admin would just need to be able to determine the source of the ban |
| 01:10.35 | Patlabor221 | SportChick: thats what we are talking about |
| 01:10.52 | SportChick | It would be great if, when someone attempts to connect, and they've bene banned, that it would give them the reason listed in the banlist, whether local or master |
| 01:10.59 | Patlabor221 | it'll be a publicly viewable list |
| 01:11.03 | trepan | Patlabor221: just suggesting a reasonably compatible way to do it, we don't want to spend too much time on the bannees, and the first thing send back is the protocol |
| 01:11.04 | Patlabor221 | so anyone can see if they are on it |
| 01:12.09 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/global.cxx: turn on visual culling by default (with a reasonable value) |
| 01:13.57 | bryjen | hmm. fiddling with the protocol version for extra info didn't go over well in the past... |
| 01:14.12 | Patlabor221 | better to send back a "reason" message |
| 01:14.52 | trepan | fine, first msg after the protocol string is a MsgMessage? |
| 01:15.17 | Patlabor221 | will it get there if a close is done after the 2 messags are sent? |
| 01:15.26 | Patlabor221 | or do we need to wait for some ack, or timeout then close? |
| 01:15.39 | trepan | it's tcp, should get there iirc |
| 01:16.05 | Patlabor221 | but dosn't it still need the socket open incase it has to do any backend retransmits? |
| 01:16.11 | Patlabor221 | or does the driver handle that? |
| 01:16.34 | trepan | i believe the driver handles it |
| 01:16.40 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 01:16.57 | trepan | and even if i'm wrong, i wouldn't spend any more time on it |
| 01:18.53 | *** part/#bzflag amonkey (~mulfordgp@user-0can36s.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 01:22.38 | *** join/#bzflag amathis (~Aaron@amathis.linuxfordummies) |
| 01:23.34 | amathis | hi all |
| 01:29.23 | amathis | cannot find a match so far >_< |
| 01:29.28 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.h: gcc emits warnings concerning initialization order |
| 01:29.36 | learner | amathis, have you tried a personal ad? |
| 01:29.42 | amathis | learner, yup.. |
| 01:29.50 | amathis | learner, it got creepy old guys though :-0 |
| 01:30.46 | Patlabor221 | maybe that's who your perfect match is :) |
| 01:30.48 | Patlabor221 | gotta go |
| 01:31.39 | amathis | learner, how about the barbarians? |
| 01:41.12 | learner | barbarians? |
| 01:41.27 | learner | i don't think I'd match up well with a barbarian |
| 01:55.22 | *** join/#bzflag nilson (~nilson@pcp03331736pcs.tsclos01.al.comcast.net) |
| 01:57.20 | *** join/#bzflag aribeth (~aribeth@dsl017-034-201.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 02:17.46 | trepan | was just talking to cosmos about having different levels of /ban, a permanent ban priv and a regular ban priv |
| 02:17.49 | trepan | anyone against that? |
| 02:19.11 | trepan | as well, he'd like to be able to set a fixed ban time for the admins with regular ban privs |
| 02:22.18 | learner | how's a permanent ban different from "regular" ban with infinite time? |
| 02:22.51 | trepan | it's not, but the priviledge to do so would be different |
| 02:22.59 | learner | i can see good reasons for making the default ban-time non-infinite perhaps |
| 02:23.14 | *** join/#bzflag BZFlag7239 (www-data@c-24-1-104-25.client.comcast.net) |
| 02:23.22 | learner | and then perhaps add a permission to allow unspecified i.e. infinite bans |
| 02:23.31 | learner | but still keep just one ban command |