irclog2html for #bzflag on 20040804

`00:00.09`	`orchid`	`whatever that might mean`
`00:00.16`	`brlcad`	`wow, it's already time for MeBigFatGuy .. I must be late`
`00:01.50`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`heh`
`00:04.24`	`amathis`	`bzflag in cvs is 1.11 right?`
`00:04.44`	`lan56`	`yes`
`00:04.48`	`amathis`	`excellent`
`00:05.11`	`lan56`	`orchid: I agree as well, chillout music (which I know what you mean :) ) isn't bad`
`00:05.22`	`*** join/#bzflag RedBaron2 (~4423eb6d@procyon.noodleroni.com)`
`00:05.46`	`orchid`	`hello baron`
`00:05.55`	`orchid`	`#2`
`00:06.15`	`brlcad`	`hi RB2!`
`00:06.28`	`lan56`	`howdy`
`00:07.27`	`*** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@adsl-64-172-164-105.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)`
`00:07.35`	`brlcad`	`SportChick: ....`
`00:07.39`	`brlcad`	`how was it?`
`00:07.45`	`SportChick`	`the drive?`
`00:07.48`	`brlcad`	`no`
`00:07.50`	`brlcad`	`the meet`
`00:08.01`	`SportChick`	`havne't had ti yet - it's only 5 here`
`00:08.09`	`brlcad`	`oh, heh`
`00:08.10`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`00:08.31`	`SportChick`	`We are meeting up at 6:30`
`00:08.36`	`SportChick`	`it's only 5:08`
`00:08.43`	`SportChick`	`still bright as noon here`
`00:09.16`	`brlcad`	`take a camera, wouldya? :)`
`00:09.24`	`SportChick`	`of course`
`00:09.27`	`brlcad`	`just in case he doesn't make it :)`
`00:09.33`	`RedBaron2`	`any howians on?`
`00:10.03`	`SportChick`	`anticipation is good for the soul`
`00:10.09`	`brlcad`	`I don't care if you post it, I just wanna see it :)`
`00:10.29`	`SportChick`	`heh`
`00:12.55`	`brlcad`	`lan56: that fix looks bad to me`
`00:13.13`	`lan56`	`what's wrong with it?`
`00:13.41`	`brlcad`	`What if a mod'd client sends ServerPlayer .. that bypasses everything`
`00:14.06`	`lan56`	`but serverplayer is a valid ID, no?`
`00:14.22`	`lan56`	`if they sent server player now, it still would go through`
`00:14.37`	`lan56`	`now as in before this cahnge`
`00:14.43`	`lan56`	`s/cahnge/shange`
`00:14.45`	`lan56`	`*change`
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`00:14.52`	`brlcad`	`it's supposed to be a ficticious id of the server itself, yes .. but they'd have no perm`
`00:16.01`	`brlcad`	`I only glanced at the 4 lines of snippet, but it looked like a client could use that to bypass a lot of commands`
`00:16.12`	`lan56`	`I am a bit confused--you mean that if a hacked client sent serverplayer before, it would return from parseCommand()?`
`00:16.25`	`lan56`	`and now it would let them have any perm they want?`
`00:16.32`	`brlcad`	`hrm`
`00:16.42`	`brlcad`	`is that were you put that?`
`00:16.42`	`lan56`	`before = before this change, now = with the chanbe`
`00:17.04`	`brlcad`	`like i said, i'm missing the exact context form the diff`
`00:17.09`	`lan56`	`I put " if (!player && t != ServerPlayer)"`
`00:17.11`	`lan56`	`or something like that`
`00:17.16`	`brlcad`	`right`
`00:17.19`	`brlcad`	`but the context .. where`
`00:17.26`	`brlcad`	`parseCommand?`
`00:17.32`	`lan56`	`oh yes, parseCommand()`
`00:17.36`	`lan56`	`in parsecommand()`
`00:17.38`	`lan56`	`at the start`
`00:17.44`	`brlcad`	`hrm`
`00:17.45`	`lan56`	`after player declaration`
`00:18.35`	`brlcad`	`That still could be dangerous .. a player packet comes in spoofing ServerPlayer .. and get's forwarded along unchecked to parseCommand (where it would have died there)`
`00:18.50`	`brlcad`	`why does the server need to run a command?`
`00:19.02`	`lan56`	`/poll [set] [flagreset]`
`00:19.06`	`lan56`	`is the issue`
`00:19.09`	`brlcad`	`i know`
`00:19.12`	`lan56`	`ahh`
`00:19.17`	`brlcad`	`server doesn't need to run a command to do that`
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`00:19.25`	`lan56`	`well, then some bonehead made it like that`
`00:19.58`	`lan56`	`how about just reverting this change, and having it use CMDMGR.run() instead?`
`00:20.03`	`brlcad`	`extract the code in the /flagreset hook so that all that's there is a perm check and a call to another func .. make /poll flagreset call the new func`
`00:20.38`	`brlcad`	`you follow?`
`00:20.38`	`lan56`	`but what about going back to the original, CMDMGR.run()?`
`00:20.45`	`lan56`	`I get you`
`00:20.54`	`amathis`	`will someone play 1.11.6 bz with me?`
`00:21.01`	`amathis`	`none of the servers are populated//`
`00:21.15`	`brlcad`	`cmdmgr.run() of what?`
`00:21.22`	`lan56`	`if the poll is won`
`00:21.49`	`brlcad`	`and I'm just lazy`
`00:21.49`	`lan56`	`if "/poll flagreset" is won, then call CMDMGR.run("flag reset unused")`
`00:22.03`	`brlcad`	`is that what the flagreset hook does?`
`00:22.07`	`lan56`	`not now`
`00:22.11`	`lan56`	`but it did when I first wrote it`
`00:22.23`	`lan56`	`no, I am talking about /poll flagreset`
`00:22.37`	`brlcad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:22.56`	`lan56`	`so no cmdmgr.run()?`
`00:23.00`	`brlcad`	`if that's ultimately what /flagreset does, then sure`
`00:23.12`	`lan56`	`I don't believe it does, no'`
`00:23.16`	`lan56`	`well, I'll fix it now`
`00:23.21`	`brlcad`	`otherwise, as the code changes, they'll fall out of sync`
`00:23.36`	`brlcad`	`someone is likely to forget about one or the other`
`00:23.57`	`lan56`	`I'll do your original idea, splitting the function out`
`00:25.22`	`brlcad`	`that massive if statement is just aweful`
`00:25.47`	`lan56`	`I feel so dirty for making such a poor commit :)`
`00:26.38`	`brlcad`	`bah`
`00:26.49`	`brlcad`	`it wasn't bad.. just mini alarm went up`
`00:26.58`	`brlcad`	`very mini`
`00:27.00`	`lan56`	`:) I know, I am kidding around`
`00:27.31`	`brlcad`	`now your first bug message made me wonder wtf you were thinking`
`00:28.00`	`lan56`	`heh, I relised my mistake on the way to lunch`
`00:28.22`	`lan56`	`then I thought, "oh man, now I am such an idiot to the others" :)`
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`00:29.05`	`Patlabor221`	`what was for lunch?`
`00:29.20`	`lan56`	`well, just got something quick, carls jr`
`00:29.33`	`lan56`	`a famous star, a medium fries, and a soda`
`00:29.41`	`lan56`	`I am a big man :)`
`00:29.53`	`lan56`	`you worked in carls jr?`
`00:30.09`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman_ (~tuckerm@bc17693.bendcable.com)`
`00:30.13`	`Noodleman`	`moo`
`00:30.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I did`
`00:30.19`	`Patlabor221`	`ages ago`
`00:31.26`	`Patlabor221`	`got fired from there`
`00:31.31`	`lan56`	`why?`
`00:31.34`	`lan56`	`spit in the food? :)`
`00:31.44`	`Patlabor221`	`repogramed the computer and added a sandwitch`
`00:32.05`	`DTRemenak`	`nice, what kind of sandwich?`
`00:32.13`	`Patlabor221`	`"the death star"`
`00:32.17`	`lan56`	`heh`
`00:32.18`	`DTRemenak`	`hahaha`
`00:32.19`	`Noodleman`	`haha`
`00:32.22`	`brlcad`	`grilled cheese!`
`00:32.34`	`Patlabor221`	`also added "a headbut" to the menu too`
`00:32.40`	`Patlabor221`	`it sas 89 cents`
`00:34.40`	`Patlabor221`	`that job sucked tho`
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`00:37.15`	`Patlabor221`	`that's bigger then your head`
`00:37.20`	`wizart`	`hehe`
`00:37.27`	`scanline`	`hopefully`
`00:37.47`	`scanline`	`600dpi, 36 by 60 inches =D`
`00:37.53`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, 6.2 gb uncompressed`
`00:38.02`	`DTRemenak`	`that's big`
`00:38.13`	`scanline`	`it compresses rather well thankfully`
`00:38.24`	`DTRemenak`	`no kidding :)`
`00:38.37`	`scanline`	`it's halfway done writing, and the file is only 26MB so far`
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`00:38.53`	`Patlabor221`	`that is some big pr0n`
`00:38.58`	`wizart`	`lol`
`00:40.27`	`lan56`	`you can compress picture files? whenever i've tried, nothing. the compression rate is nearly 0%`
`00:40.57`	`DTRemenak`	`lan56: that's probably because they're already compressed`
`00:41.02`	`DTRemenak`	`what format did you try?`
`00:41.04`	`lan56`	`png`
`00:41.11`	`lan56`	`bzflag made them`
`00:41.11`	`DTRemenak`	`jpg is compressed, gif is compressed, png is compressed`
`00:41.21`	`DTRemenak`	`pngs are certainly compressed, look at the png-writing code`
`00:41.28`	`DTRemenak`	`that's why bz links in zlib`
`00:41.50`	`Patlabor221`	`heh`
`00:41.55`	`DTRemenak`	`essentially zip compression - so if you try to zip them, you'll get no gains`
`00:41.56`	`Patlabor221`	`compressing the compressed`
`00:41.57`	`lan56`	`hmm, I guess I took your statement about 6.2gb uncompressed a different way`
`00:42.12`	`Patlabor221`	`he's saying raw data size`
`00:42.23`	`DTRemenak`	`6.2gb would be needed to display it`
`00:42.25`	`Patlabor221`	`X * Y * bpp`
`00:42.25`	`lan56`	`there you go, I thought a compressed png then`
`00:42.31`	`brlcad`	`scanline: w00t`
`00:43.03`	`scanline`	`brlcad: we're printing it tonight hopefully :)`
`00:43.26`	`DTRemenak`	`36x60 - that's a lot of ink, too :)`
`00:43.33`	`scanline`	`I hope the computers at kinko's have lotsa RAM...`
`00:43.38`	`DTRemenak`	`hahaha`
`00:43.53`	`scanline`	`http://navi.cx/~micah/fyre-poster-4.png <-- small version :)`
`00:44.56`	`scanline`	`the green one is called "100% organic" in fact, and we're going to get a big print of it for our living room :)`
`00:45.18`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, cool`
`00:45.20`	`scanline`	`probably will make a print of the rings for my parents' anniversary, since they really liked it`
`00:45.34`	`scanline`	`each of those images is about 10MB :)`
`00:45.41`	`trepan`	`scanline: ya, tried make some organic looking ones with 'fyre', fun to play with`
`00:45.42`	`scanline`	`I can't wait to see the big high-res glossy print`
`00:45.57`	`scanline`	`trepan: :)`
`00:46.30`	`scanline`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 micah users 121414015 Aug 3 18:49 fyre-full-600dpi.png`
`00:46.34`	`scanline`	`yay, now I get to try making a PDF`
`00:46.41`	`brlcad`	`ack.. dang colorado.edu`
`00:46.51`	`scanline`	`hmm?`
`00:46.58`	`brlcad`	`navi.cx`
`00:47.00`	`brlcad`	`blocked`
`00:47.04`	`scanline`	`huh?`
`00:47.23`	`scanline`	`I doubt colorado.edu is blocking it`
`00:47.33`	`brlcad`	`the entire colorado.edu subnet is blocked by our networking security for whatever reason`
`00:47.44`	`scanline`	`eww`
`00:47.52`	`trepan`	`scanline: just realized where i'd seen the circular one before... ;)`
`00:47.56`	`brlcad`	`silly kids attacking government computers`
`00:47.59`	`Patlabor221`	`is it cus of there plan to take over the world?`
`00:48.02`	`scanline`	`trepan: hmm?`
`00:48.15`	`micronet`	`could someone could try my server plz?`
`00:48.23`	`lan56`	`where is it at?`
`00:48.29`	`scanline`	`now to let imagemagick crunch a while on this PDF...`
`00:49.03`	`trepan`	`ah, nope, but close... http://members.rogers.com/trepan/rendering2.png`
`00:49.11`	`lan56`	`micronet: where is the server, and which version?`
`00:49.45`	`micronet`	`cosmos.freeddns.com last version`
`00:49.55`	`Patlabor221`	`no, not last version 1.10.6`
`00:49.59`	`lan56`	`1.10.x?`
`00:50.14`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what he's running`
`00:50.18`	`Patlabor221`	`or something close to it`
`00:50.28`	`lan56`	`alright, I will go take a look`
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`00:56.20`	`scanline`	`oh hmm...`
`00:56.28`	`scanline`	`imagemagick's temp files are filling up my root partition`
`00:56.34`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
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`01:19.03`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (FlagInfo.cxx FlagInfo.h bzfs.cxx): adding vanish parameter to dropFlag + some other cosmetic changes`
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`01:19.15`	`CIA-7`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ws, spelling`
`01:21.56`	`CIA-7`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/scene.dsp: new files`
`01:24.24`	`CIA-7`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/scene/ (Occluder.h Occluder.cxx): make that sucker compile on vc`
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`01:41.14`	`Grumbler`	`well that sucked, i cant reproduce the problem`
`01:41.48`	`Grumbler`	`maybe i shouldnt have burned cwbybbp off to cd`
`01:42.14`	`Patlabor221`	`why would you not want it avalable at any moment`
`01:42.38`	`Patlabor221`	`ofta now that one bitter beer`
`01:43.38`	`Grumbler`	`because i cant reproduce the problem......secretplace is different of course....less people today....might be something there`
`01:44.23`	`Patlabor221`	`did you set the MakeGMAllLaggyAndStuff to true in your config?`
`01:45.25`	`learner`	`Patlabor221!!!`
`01:45.37`	`Patlabor221`	`dude, it's bitter`
`01:45.45`	`learner`	`hehe`
`01:45.48`	`learner`	`yes it is`
`01:45.55`	`Patlabor221`	`I like the bottle tho`
`01:46.04`	`Grumbler`	`nope, but i did set ThisIsAPainInTheButtProblemTHatHasBeenAroundQuiteSomeTime`
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`01:46.28`	`Patlabor221`	`Grumbler: no capH in that, tht's your problem`
`01:46.45`	`Grumbler`	`har, har, har`
`01:48.11`	`Patlabor221`	`mmm mmmm mmm sammich sammich sammich`
`01:53.18`	`Patlabor221`	`if you believe in the western sun.... is falling down... on everyone`
`02:01.07`	`amathis`	`I need a cream soda.`
`02:02.18`	`Patlabor221`	`learner: is there like TAR in this?`
`02:02.35`	`learner`	`I think a little`
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`02:39.18`	`CIA-7`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: don't make the robot obstacle list if it isn't needed`
`02:39.20`	`trepan`	`jeez, went from 22 secs to 1 sec startup time on a 4096 box world`
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`02:50.30`	`trepan`	`heh, now even AntEscher chopped loads up in no time at all`
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`02:52.30`	`learner`	`trepan: wonderful :)`
`02:53.05`	`trepan`	`and here I thought i was always download time of scenenode processing...`
`02:53.10`	`trepan`	`s/i/it`
`02:53.16`	`trepan`	`s/of/or`
`02:53.21`	`trepan`	`typing has gone to hell`
`02:58.59`	`trepan`	`with that done, i'll leave laginfo holdoff change for Tupone`
`03:04.33`	`amathis`	`hey trepan`
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`03:04.49`	`trepan`	`hi amathis/pyro`
`03:17.14`	`trepan`	`neat occluder effect with OO flag, for a split second as you enter a building, when the wall disappears, all of the occluded objects disappear until your through it`
`03:20.11`	`Patlabor221`	`should make them fade in :)`
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`03:26.31`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`hello everyone`
`03:26.44`	`lan56`	`hi dink!`
`03:27.02`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`lol dink?`
`03:27.17`	`lan56`	`I don't even know what I meant.`
`03:27.31`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`hey i've got a problem, i guess you can call it that, in bzflag`
`03:27.38`	`lan56`	`sure, tell us`
`03:27.57`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`whenever i join my server, within a few seconds it says my lag is way to high`
`03:28.03`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`i thought at first this was because i was running both bzadmin and i was in game on the same comp but i didn't have bzadmin running a few seconds ago`
`03:28.17`	`lan56`	`it is your server, correct?`
`03:28.19`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`even when i join on the local network, it spikes in no time`
`03:28.21`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`yes`
`03:28.34`	`lan56`	`how are you on other servers?`
`03:28.47`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`i have ichat open, along with a few browsers but i don't think that would cause ne issues,`
`03:28.49`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`i have not tried that`
`03:29.01`	`lan56`	`the browsers and chat could add some latency`
`03:29.10`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`hmm`
`03:29.27`	`lan56`	`a considerable amount too`
`03:29.40`	`aliasnexus0_OSX`	`i'll go try w/ everything closed, i'll be back in 5`
`03:29.45`	`lan56`	`sure thing`
`03:30.23`	`lan56`	`I suppose in a way that could be considered just common sense, but then again, if you have a fast connection, it cannot`
`03:30.49`	`Patlabor221`	`people have to close stuff to play games?`