| 00:00.08 | Noodleman | that's how much it would have cost to write bzflag |
| 00:00.15 | blast007 | wow |
| 00:00.23 | purple_cow | if you include all the extra stuff in the project it's another 400k |
| 00:00.36 | Noodleman | and it would have taken 12 developers 1 and a half years to write it |
| 00:00.54 | lan56 | are these facts supposed to be believable? |
| 00:01.09 | Noodleman | they are pretty on-track |
| 00:01.19 | lan56 | I could understand the money amount |
| 00:01.32 | purple_cow | lan56: it's a model known as COCOMO - it's not great, but it's generally accepted to be one of the best tools for estimating schedule & budget |
| 00:02.06 | lan56 | well, IMHO they seem somewhat reasonable, but they just don't seem very reliable to me |
| 00:04.02 | Noodleman | i wonder how the windows codebase would figure :-) |
| 00:04.22 | lan56 | :) |
| 00:05.00 | Noodleman | welp, time to head home |
| 00:05.01 | Noodleman | l8r |
| 00:05.04 | lan56 | cya |
| 00:05.05 | blast007 | cya |
| 00:05.16 | lan56 | jeez, I smell like tacos |
| 00:05.24 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:06.42 | *** join/#bzflag _bubbles_ (~nadic666@67.71.106.194) |
| 00:09.21 | blast007 | is there plans for some CTF cheat prevention in the near future? |
| 00:09.34 | lan56 | like what type of cheats to prevent? |
| 00:09.42 | lan56 | there are a bunch of cheat preventions right now |
| 00:09.47 | *** join/#bzflag Havoc_ (~Havoc@MTL-HSE-ppp200222.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 00:10.10 | blast007 | well, like it's possible to capture the flag without having to take it back to your base |
| 00:10.18 | Havoc_ | nhow? |
| 00:10.24 | lan56 | send MsgCaptureFlag |
| 00:10.26 | lan56 | early |
| 00:10.38 | lan56 | hmm, I don't think there is such a prevention yet |
| 00:10.53 | blast007 | I was playing around locally, and I got it to capture the flag as soon as I grabbed it |
| 00:11.06 | blast007 | so I could like sit on the base racking up points |
| 00:11.10 | lan56 | easy cheat to do really |
| 00:11.13 | lan56 | but funny :) |
| 00:11.15 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:11.23 | blast007 | only like 3 or 4 lines |
| 00:11.29 | lan56 | in playingloop() |
| 00:11.38 | lan56 | every iteration would send msgcaptureflag |
| 00:11.43 | Havoc_ | what do u have to do to do this cheat? |
| 00:11.45 | lan56 | and nobody could play :) |
| 00:11.50 | lan56 | press f12 when playing |
| 00:11.52 | lan56 | :) |
| 00:11.57 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:11.58 | Havoc_ | nnah |
| 00:12.04 | Havoc_ | don t even tru |
| 00:12.05 | lan56 | modify the source code to have this happen |
| 00:12.07 | Havoc_ | try* |
| 00:12.10 | Havoc_ | lol |
| 00:12.16 | lan56 | alt-f4 maybe? |
| 00:12.17 | lan56 | :) |
| 00:12.20 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:12.23 | Havoc_ | lo |
| 00:12.30 | blast007 | Ctrl+Alt+Del twice |
| 00:12.44 | lan56 | power button actually |
| 00:12.48 | blast007 | or you could pull the plug outta the wall |
| 00:12.48 | Havoc_ | u know i have learned this command when i was 7 |
| 00:13.01 | lan56 | and you arent 7 right now? |
| 00:13.04 | Havoc_ | lol |
| 00:13.05 | lan56 | thats unbelivable :) |
| 00:13.17 | Havoc_ | lol |
| 00:13.19 | Havoc_ | nnahç |
| 00:13.31 | lan56 | french? |
| 00:13.37 | blast007 | oh yeah, it should also check for a positive z velocity when jumping is disabled, and the player's flag isn't/wasn't jumping |
| 00:13.38 | Havoc_ | nope |
| 00:13.50 | lan56 | it already does |
| 00:14.09 | blast007 | hmm...maybe it does |
| 00:14.11 | lan56 | although, I am not sure if no jumping server option sets maxHeight to 0 |
| 00:14.22 | blast007 | no, it wouldn't |
| 00:14.30 | lan56 | then that is something to ad |
| 00:14.31 | blast007 | cuz a teleporter could put them above the ground |
| 00:14.51 | lan56 | so, how do you get around that? |
| 00:15.30 | blast007 | well, they can't have an upward velocity unless they can jump...so we would just check for that |
| 00:15.42 | lan56 | ahh |
| 00:16.18 | lan56 | blast007: I bet you can't define "color" |
| 00:16.37 | blast007 | color? :) |
| 00:16.42 | lan56 | the word color |
| 00:17.09 | blast007 | it's how light is (not) reflected off an object |
| 00:17.33 | lan56 | not how its created, but its description |
| 00:18.21 | lan56 | an attribute of every object that can distinguish between two exactly alike objects in light |
| 00:18.30 | lan56 | alike as in shape |
| 00:18.34 | lan56 | design |
| 00:18.35 | lan56 | feel |
| 00:18.37 | lan56 | look |
| 00:18.52 | lan56 | in a color-ignorant perception |
| 00:19.33 | lan56 | not even I know :) |
| 00:19.38 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:21.04 | lan56 | actually, I reused the word "color" in its definition, so a true meaning would be an attribute that is seen only in light that can distinguish between two or more objects that are exactly alike in darkness |
| 00:26.06 | *** part/#bzflag kpreid (~kpreid@69-169-139-186.bflony.adelphia.net) |
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| 00:42.15 | lan56 | dev-c++ has so many blatant bugs it's nearly as if they don't even test it |
| 00:42.23 | lan56 | if it compiles, ship it out |
| 01:07.57 | lan56 | heh, I am watching conan o'brien from last friday, and its funny when that fat guy pretends to be bill clinton by wearing a shirt that says "bill clinton" |
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| 01:50.47 | lan56 | this is fantastic: I was fixing up autopilot AI, and tryed it out, and on the first try it works! no debugging needed this time! wow |
| 02:01.49 | *** join/#bzflag GeekTechnica (~Sinn@cpe-024-165-214-094.midsouth.rr.com) |
| 02:18.43 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/AutoPilot.cxx: Roger can now play CTF: he can capture opponent flags, and return his team's flag to his base |
| 02:19.39 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Roger can now play CTF: he can capture opponent flags, and return his team's flag to his base |
| 02:20.22 | lan56 | and thats that! |