| 00:07.54 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: use Team::getName() to output the joined player's team. |
| 00:07.57 | lan56 | learner: that is the fix you responded to me about |
| 00:11.10 | *** join/#bzflag lan56_ (lan56@dialup-4.233.53.213.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 00:11.23 | lan56_ | jeez, my connection disconnected for some reason |
| 00:12.10 | lan56_ | now I don't know how to make "lan56" get off here, since that is the disconnected one |
| 00:13.51 | triclops | lan56_: if you've registered lan56 with nameserv you can kick it off |
| 00:14.08 | lan56_ | how? |
| 00:14.33 | triclops | nickserv rather |
| 00:14.41 | Grumbler | ghosting |
| 00:15.09 | lan56_ | it says password incorrect when I enter "/msg nickserv ghost lan56" |
| 00:15.30 | Grumbler | wrong format i believe |
| 00:16.02 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.14 | lan56_ | jeez, it says nickserv killed lan56, doesn't need to get that violent |
| 00:17.27 | triclops | its better than leaving a zombie hanging around |
| 00:17.37 | lan56 | true |
| 00:28.10 | lan56 | does the preprocessor handles #pragmas, or does the compiler? I know its called a "preprocessor-directive", but some compilers use a separate program as its preprocessor, so how does a #pragma get handled if the compiler is separate of the preprocessor? |
| 00:28.37 | lan56 | what happneed to my message? half of it got cutoff, at least on my screen |
| 00:29.39 | lan56 | well, let me ask again since half got cut off: is a #pragma handled by the preprocessor, or the compiler? |
| 00:30.06 | lan56 | and just append the cutoff message to the end of that :) |
| 00:36.06 | *** join/#bzflag lan56_ (lan56@dialup-4.233.44.144.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 00:37.09 | lan56 | dang driver, it crashed my computer as bzflag was starting up |
| 00:51.07 | *** join/#bzflag Nikaji (~switched@ny-amherst-C4-2-bg1a-6-149.bflony.adelphia.net) |
| 00:52.28 | scanline | http://www.webtrotter.com/bzflag/ <-- this guy's nuts |
| 00:52.31 | scanline | bzflag on DirectX? |
| 00:52.34 | scanline | on Xbox? |
| 00:52.36 | scanline | sick |
| 00:53.02 | lan56 | that guy is nuts, so nuts, that it isn't even working out |
| 00:53.11 | scanline | imagine my surprise! |
| 00:53.18 | lan56 | what's that? |
| 00:53.36 | scanline | that it isn't working |
| 00:54.05 | lan56 | there are too many features in bzflag to be able to have a controller do |
| 00:54.22 | scanline | naw |
| 00:54.31 | scanline | all you really need is a joystick, fire, and jump |
| 00:54.37 | scanline | and there are plenty of buttons on all modern controllers |
| 00:54.37 | lan56 | how would you type? |
| 00:54.50 | scanline | some consoles have keyboards, but why would you need to type? |
| 00:54.57 | scanline | usually you'd be playing it with people you're in the same room as |
| 00:54.58 | trepan | can't Xbox use a USB keyboard? |
| 00:55.01 | lan56 | if you can't type, there can't be admins? |
| 00:55.13 | lan56 | nobody would be able to ban anyone, kick people, start polls etc.. |
| 00:55.21 | lan56 | and how do you enter callsigns? |
| 00:55.26 | scanline | I doubt you'd usually use the console version to play online... you'd play split-screen multiplayer with those real-life type friends |
| 00:55.35 | lan56 | thats boring |
| 00:55.38 | scanline | no it isn't |
| 00:55.40 | lan56 | 1 on 1 is boring |
| 00:55.47 | scanline | 4 player free-for-all |
| 00:55.57 | scanline | lots of consoles have 4 controller ports |
| 00:56.02 | lan56 | the worlds aren't complex enogh, or they are too big, to be challenging with so few players |
| 00:56.14 | scanline | I prefer console multiplayer gaming to online gaming |
| 00:56.22 | scanline | no lag, and you're in the same room as the people you're playing with |
| 00:56.25 | lan56 | I like both |
| 00:57.31 | scanline | http://navi.cx/images/animals/im001129.jpg |
| 00:58.20 | lan56 | is that a moth? |
| 00:58.24 | scanline | yes |
| 00:58.28 | scanline | a really giant moth |
| 00:59.22 | lan56 | scanline: do you know of any manuals/tutorials that teach you how to create a Windows binary? or maybe DOS? |
| 00:59.38 | scanline | you use a compiler usually... |
| 00:59.40 | scanline | and a linker |
| 00:59.52 | lan56 | no, I mean like if someone were to create those |
| 01:00.02 | lan56 | how a binary file is organized |
| 01:00.03 | lan56 | and created |
| 01:00.18 | scanline | oh, there's a standard for that.. I forget what it's called on windows and DOS |
| 01:00.31 | scanline | IIRC DOS and Windows .exe files use basically the same format |
| 01:00.42 | scanline | DOS also has .com files which are just copied verbatim into a code segment and executed |
| 01:00.57 | lan56 | because I always wanted to make a linker, but I don't know how excecutable files are created |
| 01:01.08 | lan56 | and you seem to know a little of everything |
| 01:01.19 | lan56 | so I thought you knew a manual or something |
| 01:01.26 | scanline | well, I've played with ELF files, but not dos/windows EXEs |
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| 01:01.48 | scanline | writing a linker requires a lot more than just knowing how to output an object file |
| 01:01.54 | lan56 | I know |
| 01:01.57 | lan56 | I know the rest |
| 01:02.06 | scanline | the binary you run is just a collection of code and data segments, with headers specifying how to load them |
| 01:02.37 | FredCods | in addition to library, relocation tips,.. |
| 01:02.39 | lan56 | but none of it is in english, so part of my question is like what format is this? how do you create that format? etc.. |
| 01:03.01 | lan56 | college, I know, college |
| 01:03.10 | scanline | heh |
| 01:03.14 | scanline | they don't teach you that in college |
| 01:03.20 | scanline | google is your friend |
| 01:03.26 | lan56 | then how do people learn this stuff? |
| 01:03.35 | FredCods | internet ? |
| 01:03.38 | lan56 | everyone that works for GNU or Microsoft learned by using goolge? |
| 01:03.40 | scanline | look on the internet, talk to people, read books |
| 01:03.46 | FredCods | lan56: yes.. |
| 01:04.03 | lan56 | wow, its hard to believe, I always thought college is the key to being a good programmer |
| 01:04.06 | scanline | no |
| 01:04.20 | scanline | college teaches you how to waste money and listen to professors that don't have a clue what they're talking about |
| 01:04.25 | FredCods | not everybody have access to college btw.. and fortunately, internet is almost enough for that. |
| 01:04.33 | scanline | experience and research is mostly what makes someone a good programmer |
| 01:04.48 | scanline | internet and books are much better than college classes in my experience |
| 01:05.01 | lan56 | I never took computer courses in college, so I can't comment |
| 01:06.17 | FredCods | but choose good books.. |
| 01:06.38 | lan56 | I'll just use the ne |
| 01:06.42 | lan56 | *net |
| 01:06.50 | lan56 | and my library |
| 01:08.05 | FredCods | all I know in computing come from books and internet. I never learned anything related to computing at school.. and believe me, if you are really really interested by CS, you can learn lots of things from book and net. |
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| 01:08.27 | lan56 | I really really am interested in computer science |
| 01:08.46 | lan56 | I love programming like a woman loves cooking & sewing |
| 01:09.00 | FredCods | hum.. |
| 01:09.04 | lan56 | ok, maybe I don't |
| 01:09.05 | lan56 | :) |
| 01:09.11 | scanline | sexist pig |
| 01:09.16 | lan56 | sexist pig? |
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| 01:09.34 | lan56 | what are you talking about? |
| 01:10.05 | scanline | <lan56> I love programming like a woman loves cooking & sewing |
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| 01:10.27 | scanline | I like cooking, and I'm not a woman.. and I don't think any woman I know loves sewing |
| 01:10.52 | lan56 | jeez, I didn't mean to mean that specifically |
| 01:10.58 | lan56 | I just htought its traditional |
| 01:11.09 | FredCods | in what country ? |
| 01:11.14 | lan56 | USA |
| 01:11.18 | FredCods | s/what/which/ |
| 01:11.36 | scanline | a few decades ago maybe |
| 01:12.00 | lan56 | my mother loved cooking when I was young, she also loved spending her idle time on some sundays sewing buttons or patching tears |
| 01:12.14 | lan56 | so kill me because I made an example from what I know |
| 01:12.18 | scanline | your mother is boring ;) |
| 01:12.22 | lan56 | lol |
| 01:12.30 | lan56 | :) maybe, but thats what I grew up with |
| 01:12.34 | scanline | and you don't know enough women |
| 01:12.41 | FredCods | :) |
| 01:12.45 | lan56 | :) |
| 01:13.01 | lan56 | I know, today's woman are out of the traditiion thing |
| 01:13.30 | FredCods | ahem |
| 01:13.42 | lan56 | alright, what did I do know? |
| 01:13.44 | lan56 | *now |
| 01:14.17 | lan56 | someone clearing their throat usually means I did something awkward again |
| 01:14.21 | lan56 | so what is it? |
| 01:15.24 | FredCods | my english is too poor to clearly express my opinion in this case |
| 01:15.45 | lan56 | what language do you speak? maybe I know it |
| 01:15.51 | FredCods | french |
| 01:15.58 | lan56 | no, I don't know french |
| 01:16.25 | lan56 | just try and say it anyway |
| 01:16.42 | lan56 | I want to know what people think of me, and clearly, there is something that is going on that I should know about |
| 01:16.52 | lan56 | the clearing of the throat tipped me off |
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| 01:17.57 | FredCods | you know, we talk on IRC.. I cannot have a clear opinion of you. It's not important anyway. And it's #bzflag, we are off topic :) |
| 01:18.14 | ForthFreak | yes, shoot it out :) |
| 01:18.23 | lan56 | ok :) |
| 01:19.06 | ForthFreak | "i give you my opinion ... here, take this" - whamm - |
| 01:19.23 | lan56 | ok, if that helps :) |
| 01:20.55 | Grumbler | hey FredCods, how are the shot limits working out? |
| 01:21.10 | learner | I like my whamm's better |
| 01:21.50 | fiberchunks | Nidhoggr, you afoot? |
| 01:21.56 | fiberchunks | and hi all |
| 01:22.05 | lan56 | are there any C/C++ functions that output to the screen but the output is editable, i.e. like you can delete the text, somewhat like a line editor? |
| 01:22.05 | GeekTechnica | howdy fiber |
| 01:22.07 | FredCods | about geno limit ? I use +s 75 -sl G 5 now, it's more in the spirit of what I wanted. |
| 01:22.11 | lan56 | or is it OS specific? |
| 01:22.17 | FredCods | os specific |
| 01:22.22 | FredCods | see readline under Unix |
| 01:22.28 | lan56 | ahh ty |
| 01:22.28 | FredCods | it's for that purpose |
| 01:23.36 | Grumbler | gotta love it when there is a whole debian site dedicated to your particular laptop |
| 01:24.50 | learner | there's also curses, or most shell interpreters |
| 01:25.10 | learner | tcl, python, bash are pretty common |
| 01:25.19 | FredCods | they all use the readline library |
| 01:25.27 | lan56 | I'll look into it |
| 01:25.40 | learner | not sure about _all_ of them.. but many do, yes |
| 01:26.01 | learner | but they add much more on top of that anyways that you usually want if you're really going that route |
| 01:26.25 | FredCods | bash and python for sure (but tcl no, from a quick check with ldd) |
| 01:26.56 | lan56 | http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~cristina/students/david/honoursThesis96/bff.htm |
| 01:27.04 | lan56 | theres an example of what scanline was talking about |
| 01:27.14 | lan56 | learning online instead of college |
| 01:28.53 | learner | both can be good places to learn.. |
| 01:29.06 | learner | it's really up to the individual to take initiative |
| 01:29.23 | lan56 | I'd choose the online way, since its free |
| 01:29.49 | learner | I learned a tremendous amount while in college, but the majority wasn't in a classroom or for any particular class |
| 01:30.10 | learner | it was curiosity and fun |
| 01:31.27 | scanline | learner: same |
| 01:31.45 | FredCods | buy good books too.. (Knuth's TAOCP, Mit Press' SICP, Rivest..'s Introduction to Algorithms, Meyer's OOSC,...) |
| 01:32.08 | learner | s/buy/read/ :P |
| 01:33.32 | FredCods | also, yes :) |
| 01:34.11 | lan56 | I once woke up in the middle of the night and saw James Earl Jones dancing right in front of me |
| 01:35.04 | lan56 | thanks for the tips about learning |
| 01:35.10 | lan56 | I really apreciate them, I like learning |
| 01:36.11 | learner | one of the good parts of a classroom is that it's "forces" you to push through some of the harder problems that you might otherwise skip or work around |
| 01:36.12 | FredCods | SICP (Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs) is one of my favorite book.. A way to "see" computing from a new point of view. |
| 01:36.32 | learner | it's very useful for some of the much more advanced topics .. topics of research papers, etc as well |
| 01:36.35 | lan56 | true |
| 01:37.13 | learner | but then again, if you know the right channels on-line and stay connected with the right communities, you can find most of that on-line too |
| 01:37.25 | lan56 | true again |
| 01:38.28 | learner | I'm not sure I would have gotten a good grasp of large scale software architecture and design without working with a mentor/professor and team of students -- especially object-oriented software design |
| 01:39.05 | learner | it's just too easy to get the same tasks done other ways in the short term and so few that know how to do OOP well anyways |
| 01:39.20 | lan56 | but theres nothing to OOP |
| 01:39.42 | purple_cow | there's a lot to OOP |
| 01:40.04 | lan56 | yes, inheritance, virtual, private, public, protected, members, etc.. but its easy |
| 01:40.13 | lan56 | instances, etc |
| 01:40.15 | learner | even when you know it, and know it well, it's not really easy .. easy to get wrong perhaps |
| 01:40.17 | purple_cow | the concepts are easy |
| 01:40.17 | JBdiGriz | oops, i did it again |
| 01:40.19 | FredCods | hum.. this is specific to one language |
| 01:40.20 | purple_cow | doing it right is hard |
| 01:40.29 | learner | JBdiGriz: britney spears? |
| 01:40.30 | FredCods | OOP is more than that |
| 01:40.42 | lan56 | true, often times I make mistakes in OOP |
| 01:41.06 | purple_cow | it's very easy to create confusing or problematic object hierarchies |
| 01:41.08 | JBdiGriz | I don't recall ever doing britney spears. |
| 01:41.15 | learner | :) |
| 01:41.18 | lan56 | lol |
| 01:41.23 | FredCods | OOP should be the "normal" way to view programming (i don't mean by using "class".. but by how you conceive project) |
| 01:41.37 | purple_cow | normal? poh |
| 01:41.44 | purple_cow | it's -a- way to view programming |
| 01:41.44 | FredCods | (sorry for my ugly english.. I'm not sure I'm clear :/) |
| 01:41.49 | purple_cow | but it isn't the only one |
| 01:41.57 | learner | nah, it always depends on the task, size, longevity of the code, purpose of the project, etc |
| 01:42.10 | FredCods | OOP != C++/Java/Eiffel.. for me |
| 01:42.28 | FredCods | by OOP, i mean abstraction, modularity(?),.. |
| 01:42.29 | Grumbler | we should just all migrate to Forth and everything would be better. |
| 01:42.39 | lan56 | lisp actually |
| 01:42.47 | FredCods | Lisp is the language of the futur :) |
| 01:43.05 | learner | http://www.oreilly.com/news/graphics/prog_lang_poster.pdf |
| 01:43.11 | purple_cow | ocaml ;) |
| 01:43.16 | lan56 | I once created a program that was 5000 lines long |
| 01:43.32 | learner | I need to order that poster ;) |
| 01:43.32 | FredCods | ocaml is really nice too indeed (i'm reading o'reilly book) |
| 01:43.38 | FredCods | but a bit limited |
| 01:43.47 | learner | sml/nj! |
| 01:43.48 | purple_cow | limited? howso? |
| 01:43.59 | learner | :) |
| 01:44.11 | FredCods | doesn't support large integer for example, the use of integer > 2**31 need special operator.. |
| 01:44.12 | learner | fine. ocaml. :/ |
| 01:44.19 | scanline | lan56: I hope it wasn't all in one file |
| 01:44.20 | FredCods | but.. it's really fast |
| 01:44.25 | FredCods | faster than Lisp |
| 01:44.35 | lan56 | no, it wasn't |
| 01:44.54 | JBdiGriz | learner: csh is a programming language? |
| 01:45.00 | lan56 | but I do like one file projects, it makes it easier to see how much work you did, and its like everything is right there in front of you |
| 01:46.14 | Grumbler | Oberon...whats this oberon crapee.......i was programming Forth in the mid-90s, never heard of oberon.....grumble, grumble |
| 01:46.43 | scanline | lan56: heh |
| 01:46.54 | lan56 | :) |
| 01:46.56 | scanline | lan56: small files are good, like small functions and small classes |
| 01:47.05 | lan56 | true |
| 01:47.12 | scanline | keep the individual components simple, just hook them together in neat ways |
| 01:47.16 | lan56 | but they don't show how much work you put into something |
| 01:47.23 | scanline | clocks do |
| 01:47.25 | JBdiGriz | scanline: unlike large components, like emacs? |
| 01:47.49 | scanline | JBdiGriz: emacs is made of small components, it just takes forever and a year to load :P |
| 01:48.07 | FredCods | there is even a component to edit text :) |
| 01:48.15 | learner | JBdiGriz, yeppers ;) |
| 01:48.40 | learner | awk too |
| 01:48.45 | lan56 | I feel like a root beer |
| 01:48.45 | purple_cow | oh geez |
| 01:48.58 | purple_cow | i accidentally left a fyre going since last night :P |
| 01:49.17 | learner | lan56, you do know that bzfs used to be all in one file? |
| 01:49.26 | lan56 | no, never knew |
| 01:49.32 | lan56 | you mean just bzfs.cxx? |
| 01:49.32 | learner | it was about 10000 lines before I started slicing and dicing |
| 01:49.36 | purple_cow | http://navi/images/chaos/25.png |
| 01:49.43 | lan56 | which revision number? |
| 01:49.50 | learner | 1.7g0 |
| 01:49.50 | JBdiGriz | at the beginnning of this year |
| 01:49.54 | learner | heh |
| 01:50.19 | scanline | purple_cow: looks a lot like it did this morning |
| 01:50.25 | learner | purdy |
| 01:50.35 | lan56 | what does purdy mean? |
| 01:50.46 | purple_cow | 98 billion iterations :) |
| 01:50.52 | scanline | haha |
| 01:51.14 | learner | lan56, you're either showing your age or your isolation ;) |
| 01:51.28 | lan56 | my isolation |
| 01:51.51 | lan56 | isn't it how eastern folks say "pretty"? |
| 01:52.20 | learner | heh |
| 01:52.33 | GeekTechnica | actually.. I hear it more in the south than the east |
| 01:52.37 | learner | what do you call a can of bicarbonate soda water in your location? |
| 01:52.46 | lan56 | a coke |
| 01:53.01 | learner | so you're most likely in the south east |
| 01:53.09 | lan56 | south east? not even close |
| 01:53.31 | lan56 | oj simpson was closer to being guilty than that guess |
| 01:53.43 | learner | interesting.. calling a soda a "coke" is usually propagated from Coke, Inc's influence |
| 01:54.01 | learner | which emminates from Georgia |
| 01:54.08 | lan56 | no, I am in the west |
| 01:55.18 | learner | odd.. new mexico? |
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| 01:55.22 | GeekTechnica | hmm.. when I lived in louisiana everyone called them cold drinks (pronounced as one word: coledrinks) when I lived in new york it was most commonly "pop" or sometimes just a soda. Here in tennesee its mostly "soda" |
| 01:55.27 | lan56 | no, california |
| 01:55.38 | learner | wow, you are definately in the minority for cali |
| 01:55.40 | learner | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/SodaPop.gif |
| 01:55.53 | lan56 | minority? you mean, sacramento? |
| 01:55.57 | lan56 | redding? no cal? |
| 01:55.59 | learner | the majority of the population calls it a soda |
| 01:56.15 | lan56 | well, yes, that is popular too here, but not soda pop |
| 01:57.11 | GeekTechnica | thats a very interesting image... I'm gonna have to save that |
| 01:58.10 | lan56 | *angeles |
| 01:58.12 | learner | ahh |
| 01:58.58 | lan56 | да |
| 01:58.59 | lan56 | :) |
| 02:00.20 | lan56 | иасн фмаад |
| 02:00.22 | lan56 | :) |
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| 02:22.43 | lan56 | www.globexplorer.com is like the best site ever created |
| 02:23.06 | lan56 | you can see aerial photos of anywhere in the USA from a satellite |
| 02:24.07 | GeekTechnica | how are the pictures, compared to say... www.terraserver.com? |
| 02:24.17 | lan56 | they're in color |
| 02:24.22 | lan56 | thats all that is needed to say |
| 02:24.23 | lan56 | :) |
| 02:24.31 | GeekTechnica | ooooooh |
| 02:24.41 | lan56 | and retaken every 2 years |
| 02:25.11 | lan56 | only problem is they have a watermark, but it's so faint, that I barely notice it |
| 02:27.19 | TimRiker | lan56: ugh. pictures of my place were taken in 2001. and I find the watermark to intrusive. |
| 02:27.45 | lan56 | hmm, 2001? darn, they're late, my house is 2003 |
| 02:27.55 | lan56 | well, I understand the watermark problem |
| 02:28.03 | TimRiker | my house did not exist in 2001 |
| 02:28.37 | lan56 | well, then the land is in the picture probably :) |
| 02:28.47 | GeekTechnica | eep... pics of my house in ny are from 95 and in b&w |
| 02:28.55 | lan56 | hmm |
| 02:29.04 | GeekTechnica | but my current place is 2003 |
| 02:29.19 | lan56 | I don't know why some are older than others |
| 02:29.20 | GeekTechnica | oops.. make that 2000 |
| 02:29.23 | lan56 | its the same satellite |
| 02:30.24 | lan56 | there's always terraserver, I guess :) |
| 02:31.54 | lan56 | the professional globexplorer viewers look at images of places they can't access: water tanks behind hills, landfills, deserts, etc.. :) |
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| 02:35.55 | GeekTechnica | I wish it weren't so expensive... I'd love to have an account |
| 02:36.16 | GeekTechnica | I move so often I think it'd be neat to have a full size image of each place I live at |
| 02:36.16 | lan56 | they're out to make money, just like every other good place nowadays |
| 02:36.54 | GeekTechnica | true... but it would be nice if they had a 'personal' subscription along with the professional |
| 02:45.11 | guu | New news from bzgirl: bzflag |
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| 03:13.26 | Grumbler | i really do like kde |
| 03:16.54 | Grumbler | well bzflag got installed via apt-get, but the build was funky |
| 03:17.09 | Grumbler | oh well, time to debug this weekend |
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| 03:20.09 | lan56 | jeez, the server should drop a player's flag for them when a shot limit is reached |
| 03:20.25 | lan56 | there was a guy on babels server that shot more than 10 G shots, same flag, and the limit is 10 |
| 03:20.50 | lan56 | he shot 12 at me, never dropped it. I saw him standing by me shooting 12 and no drop |
| 03:24.15 | lan56 | line 2850, bzfs.cxx, CVS latest revision, right there it checks if the shots left == 0, but then it has another "else" and next to it it says do nothing if more shots are fired |
| 03:24.29 | lan56 | how could more shots be fired if it drops flag when 0 shots left are reached? |
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| 03:30.10 | TimRiker | player ignores the drop msg? |
| 03:30.26 | TimRiker | should revert shots to be normal shots even if the player ignores the drop. |
| 03:30.53 | TimRiker | I thought that's how it worked. perhaps the player is issuing a grab msg immediately? |
| 03:30.57 | lan56 | but if the flag is dropped server-side, isn't that the same? |
| 03:31.35 | TimRiker | server-> drop flag. player-> ok, oh, and grab flag. |
| 03:31.59 | lan56 | hmm |
| 03:32.10 | TimRiker | you'd see that in the msg window though. |
| 03:32.26 | lan56 | maybe there should be testing that when a msggrabflag is sent, the server would check the spot to make sure there really was aflag ther |
| 03:32.53 | lan56 | oh wait |
| 03:32.57 | lan56 | isn't that already done? |
| 03:34.51 | TimRiker | I thought so, yes. |
| 03:35.10 | TimRiker | might no check if the flag has landed yet. |
| 03:35.16 | TimRiker | s/no/not/ |
| 03:36.23 | lan56 | I am still puzzled by his cheat, I mean, I saw it crystal clear-there is a 10 shot limit on that server, I even had G that night and saw the limit, and he shot 4 rounds of 3 bullets |
| 03:36.39 | lan56 | never did drop the flag |
| 03:39.01 | TimRiker | hmm |
| 03:39.18 | lurgy | you lie to yourself, but you can't lie to konos! |
| 03:39.38 | lan56 | ok, if that helps :) |
| 03:42.54 | TimRiker | ibot: lie to konos |
| 03:42.56 | ibot | ACTION tells konos lies, and gets away with it |
| 03:43.21 | lan56 | how do you make the server ready for /replay? |
| 03:43.36 | TimRiker | no idea. have not played with that yet. |
| 03:45.06 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/configure.in: borken XIJoystick |
| 03:50.34 | lurgy | ibot: you take that back! |
| 03:50.35 | ibot | lurgy: are you using Windows? |
| 03:50.40 | lurgy | ~sorboslap ibot |
| 03:50.42 | ibot | ACTION assails ibot with Kevin Sorbo's sense of self-satisfaction |
| 03:50.49 | lan56 | lol |
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| 03:56.36 | TimRiker | ~x it en palazzo |
| 03:56.53 | TimRiker | ~x en jp palace |
| 03:57.06 | TimRiker | ~x en kr palace |
| 03:59.27 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: output the player's IP address if they used up all 5 /password tries, which is really what is useful. |
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| 04:08.30 | GDTRFB | just played hepcat for the first time...lotta fun in frantic sort of way |
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| 04:32.54 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
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| 04:45.51 | sgk284 | howdy |
| 04:46.50 | blast007 | hiya |
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| 04:54.12 | MrApathyCream | cvs checkout: failed to create lock directory for `/cvsroot/boo/yah' (/cvsroot/boo/yah/#cvs.lock): No space left on device |
| 04:54.17 | MrApathyCream | what does that mean? |
| 04:55.51 | MrApathyCream | anybody? bueller? |
| 04:58.41 | scanline | MrApathyCream: looks like sourceforge's problem |
| 04:59.26 | MrApathyCream | problem at the project level, or global? |
| 05:01.03 | scanline | probably one of their servers filled up.. so not global, but several projects |
| 05:01.20 | scanline | if you had shell access to the cvs server you could check the disk space, but you don't :( |
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| 05:04.56 | MAC | sigh |
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| 05:32.57 | Patlabor221 | he slienced you? |
| 05:33.07 | SportChick | :( |
| 05:33.08 | SportChick | yes |
| 05:33.13 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 05:33.18 | Patlabor221 | has he gone evil? |
| 05:33.35 | SportChick | I think I was annoying him...entirely by accident, of course :) |
| 05:33.55 | Patlabor221 | still did he ask you to stop first? |
| 05:34.04 | lurgy | it's SportChick |
| 05:34.12 | SportChick | it was this morning |
| 05:34.12 | lurgy | and she's... here! |
| 05:36.03 | SportChick | Patlabor221: he didn't tell me to be quiet. He fishslapped me though |
| 05:36.07 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 05:36.14 | Patlabor221 | rather odd |
| 05:36.24 | Patlabor221 | where the kids being upity? |
| 05:36.39 | SportChick | look back to 11:00 AM or shortly after |
| 05:36.46 | Patlabor221 | I was not here |
| 05:36.50 | Patlabor221 | have not been all day |
| 05:36.52 | SportChick | oh |
| 05:37.00 | Patlabor221 | I hve been lifing |
| 05:37.08 | Patlabor221 | and will continue to do so till tomorow |
| 05:37.10 | SportChick | nm, then...I've been gone all day, but my program was here logging |
| 05:37.18 | SportChick | w |
| 05:37.28 | SportChick | We're gonna be up your way on Saturday |
| 05:37.30 | Patlabor221 | then I will drive for 12 hours |
| 05:37.35 | Patlabor221 | I shall not be here |
| 05:37.42 | Patlabor221 | I will be in arizona |
| 05:37.46 | Patlabor221 | where you going to? |
| 05:37.46 | SportChick | Taking our nephew to the Reagan library |
| 05:37.47 | SportChick | where you doing? |
| 05:37.55 | Patlabor221 | snowflake AZ |
| 05:37.58 | SportChick | s/doing/going |
| 05:38.10 | Patlabor221 | ahh you will be right by my house |
| 05:38.21 | SportChick | yes, I remember you saying that before |
| 05:38.53 | Patlabor221 | I leave tomorow at midnight |
| 05:39.05 | SportChick | for how long? and why at MIDNIGHT? |
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| 05:39.22 | Patlabor221 | I will return by train tuesday moring |
| 05:39.31 | Patlabor221 | cus we have to get there about noon on saturday |
| 05:39.32 | SportChick | cool |
| 05:39.35 | SportChick | hi lowscore |
| 05:39.35 | Patlabor221 | and it's a 12 hour drive |
| 05:39.42 | GDTRFB | howdy |
| 05:39.47 | SportChick | what'cha doing there? |
| 05:39.55 | Patlabor221 | more lifting |
| 05:39.59 | Patlabor221 | my parents are moving |
| 05:40.00 | Patlabor221 | to there |
| 05:40.14 | SportChick | ah! didn't know what you meant before by "lifing", but now I get it |
| 05:40.38 | Patlabor221 | may as well be |
| 05:40.55 | GeekTechnica | heh.. don't I know it.. I've moved more times than I can remember (literally) |
| 05:41.09 | Patlabor221 | the truck is mamoth |
| 05:41.12 | Patlabor221 | full 25 foooter |
| 05:41.18 | GDTRFB | i always move other people... |
| 05:41.26 | GeekTechnica | wow.. how many bedrooms you moving? |
| 05:41.30 | Patlabor221 | 4 |
| 05:41.35 | Patlabor221 | and a 3 car garage |
| 05:42.03 | Patlabor221 | it sadly must be done |
| 05:42.06 | Patlabor221 | so I must now sleep |
| 05:42.08 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 05:42.11 | GeekTechnica | I'll be doing the moving thing again pretty soon myself |
| 05:42.13 | GeekTechnica | cya |
| 05:42.20 | SportChick | cya pat |
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| 06:04.37 | lan56 | jeez I can't even type my name in correctly |
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| 07:31.45 | bomber | moin |
| 07:31.58 | GeekTechnica | hullo |
| 07:44.49 | o3dozone | hello |
| 07:45.08 | o3dozone | bomber, you live in Europe? |
| 08:03.08 | trepanAway | o3dozone: lookin' at his IRC connection email, i'd say ya =) |
| 08:06.05 | o3dozone | trepan'Away': D'Oh! What can I say, it's early ... haven't had my coffee yet |
| 08:06.15 | o3dozone | :-P |
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| 10:17.05 | bomber | o3dozone: yep |
| 10:17.45 | bomber | o3dozone: iam living in EU |
| 10:30.18 | o3dozone | bomber: cool, was wondering how many people here are in the same timezone as me |
| 10:30.22 | o3dozone | seems like most are in the US |
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