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| 00:25.43 | Blue_Beard | I've missed you too, learner. :P |
| 00:26.00 | learner | hah |
| 00:26.03 | learner | :) |
| 00:26.09 | Blue_Beard | 0:) |
| 00:27.18 | learner | you played like her for a bit.. probably just rusty ;) |
| 00:27.38 | Blue_Beard | It's been a long time. :) |
| 00:27.48 | learner | me too |
| 00:27.51 | Blue_Beard | I've been spending all of my time at work. Heh. |
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| 00:28.03 | learner | haven't played ducati in a couple months |
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| 00:28.16 | learner | since the move, at least |
| 00:28.34 | Blue_Beard | Last time I played, I played with Head on his CTF server (with jumping and stuff). That was fun. |
| 00:29.01 | learner | and I do still miss chika :( |
| 00:29.09 | learner | fun to ctf with |
| 00:29.25 | learner | you're just fun to shoot :P |
| 00:29.40 | Blue_Beard | I'm touched. :P |
| 00:29.57 | learner | can't say that for just anybody |
| 00:30.18 | Blue_Beard | See... I'm just fun to shoot >at<. It's not like you hit me enough to say I'm fun to shoot. ;) |
| 00:30.46 | learner | meh, it was end of my game and I wasn't trying any more .. especially once I thought you were who I thought you were |
| 00:31.42 | Blue_Beard | Sure, sure. And your mouse button is broken.. and the bottom is coated with dried Pepsi.. and your monitor is blurry.... |
| 00:31.43 | Blue_Beard | ;) |
| 00:32.01 | learner | I don't use a mouse :P |
| 00:32.11 | Blue_Beard | And you walk twenty miles to work.. in the snow.. uphill both ways... |
| 00:32.12 | Blue_Beard | ;) |
| 00:32.25 | learner | actually, I did use to bike .. but it was 30 miles |
| 00:32.32 | lan56 | and you're getting too old for everything ;) |
| 00:32.35 | Blue_Beard | OoO.. that'd be cool. :) |
| 00:32.48 | learner | I still bike, but it's only a few miles now |
| 00:33.03 | learner | in fact, I have a long tour this weekend |
| 00:33.13 | Blue_Beard | It'd be 8-10 miles to work for me. But considering the work.. I'd be too tired to ride home. :) |
| 00:33.35 | learner | 150 miles in 2 days on sat/sun |
| 00:34.00 | Blue_Beard | And I thought I had it rough 'cause I have to go to a highschool friend's open house. ;) |
| 00:34.26 | learner | I'm just hoping for internet in the evening, but I'm not holding my breath |
| 00:34.41 | learner | hard to pedal and hold the laptop |
| 00:34.49 | Blue_Beard | LoL.... :) |
| 00:35.34 | Blue_Beard | Oh yum.. dinner. Bbs. |
| 00:36.52 | EvilChiknNugget | whats a good IRC client for windows *besides* mIRC? |
| 00:37.01 | lan56 | xchat |
| 00:37.06 | lan56 | www.xchat.org |
| 00:37.20 | lan56 | quick, simple, but yet very colorful and easy interface |
| 00:37.37 | lan56 | and low on memory and space too, which is always a plus ;) |
| 00:37.52 | lan56 | np |
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| 00:47.51 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Score moved out from PlayerInfo |
| 00:48.26 | lan56 | is that CVS commits as they happen, or is the delay of anonymous CVS added to it? |
| 00:50.08 | trepan_bladin | as they happen |
| 00:51.35 | lan56 | CIA-1 should have a feature that accepts command "/update <dir>" and it sends you diffs of all changed files since the last time the requester asked |
| 00:51.50 | lan56 | that would take away messups like mine yesterday |
| 00:52.03 | lan56 | unless sf.net can get that garbage they call CVS fixed |
| 00:52.34 | trepan | add yourself to the commits mailing list |
| 00:52.41 | trepan | on SF |
| 00:52.56 | lan56 | but sometimes I see that there are revisions to CVS but no corresponding message for it |
| 00:53.12 | lan56 | like a revision is done, but no newsletter msg sent |
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| 01:43.44 | learner | lan56, huh? |
| 01:44.53 | learner | well, at least his away message is informative.. *ahem* |
| 01:45.25 | GeekTechnica | heh, must be a big one, he's been gone a while ;) |
| 01:47.34 | lan56 | back |
| 01:47.42 | learner | you survive? |
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| 01:47.56 | lan56 | heh, it was a big one, but I also got a drink and checked the time for the next lakers game |
| 01:48.08 | lan56 | and saw whats on tv, nothing interesting BTW |
| 01:48.46 | lan56 | brlcad: I meant that sometimes the mailing list is days behind |
| 01:48.52 | lan56 | at least the archive on sf.net |
| 01:49.18 | lan56 | but then again, it is sf.net :) |
| 01:49.43 | learner | the archive perhaps, it's very rare for the e-mails to be behind more than a couple hours |
| 01:50.02 | lan56 | well, either way, I will look into the mailing lists |
| 01:50.26 | learner | if CIA is reporting it, sf.net is sending and mailing list is receiving |
| 01:50.41 | lan56 | I know, it is probably the archive |
| 01:50.48 | learner | so when e-mail is "down", cia usually is too |
| 01:51.14 | learner | I made some modifications to your patch.. |
| 01:51.19 | lan56 | which one? |
| 01:51.20 | learner | custom error messages and a little more debug |
| 01:51.25 | learner | the cheat detection |
| 01:51.32 | lan56 | ahh |
| 01:51.42 | lan56 | the one that is supoosed to kick paused cheating players? |
| 01:51.59 | learner | but it was good.. ;) |
| 01:52.13 | learner | you have much OO experience or training? |
| 01:52.23 | lan56 | I thought it was a little unstable, like its nearly as if it is trusting too many things that aren't reliable |
| 01:52.40 | learner | explain? |
| 01:52.40 | lan56 | but if it truly is good, then, well, it should work |
| 01:53.07 | learner | good in theory/appearance on a coding level.. i haven't playtested yet |
| 01:53.14 | lan56 | I have |
| 01:53.17 | lan56 | at least, tested |
| 01:53.24 | learner | so what's unstable? |
| 01:53.42 | lan56 | like sometimes I see that if a shot message is from an observer, it is returned and ignored |
| 01:53.54 | lan56 | I thought that maybe that is because packets may sometimes get sent in error |
| 01:54.07 | lan56 | and it isn't good to kick innocent people |
| 01:54.24 | lan56 | or other things like that |
| 01:54.28 | learner | how'd you determine that a shot message was coming from an observer? |
| 01:54.42 | learner | (that shouldn't happen) |
| 01:54.53 | lan56 | well, in the code before the patch, it had a "if(team == ObserverTeam) return;" deal |
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| 01:55.13 | lan56 | like it just ignores it nearly as if there is nothing wrong |
| 01:55.16 | lan56 | like its expected |
| 01:55.32 | lan56 | but I never have seen it happen |
| 01:55.34 | learner | oh, no I think that's just rudimentary cheat prevention too |
| 01:55.54 | learner | observer clients that'd cause havoc |
| 01:56.02 | lan56 | well, for some reason then, I have seen paused players move and shoot and kill |
| 01:56.09 | lan56 | but maybe I am confusing it with 1.7g2 |
| 01:56.17 | learner | that can happen .. cheat or lag might do it |
| 01:56.23 | lan56 | no, blatant |
| 01:56.28 | learner | then it's a cheat |
| 01:56.37 | lan56 | I know, I just said that :) |
| 01:56.53 | learner | lag might cause a packet or two to arrive out of order and you'd get a shot message before the pause state |
| 01:57.09 | learner | but just one or two and rare |
| 01:57.21 | learner | we'll see how close that is.. |
| 01:57.24 | lan56 | understandable, and that is some of the unstability I thought of in the patch |
| 01:57.39 | learner | might have to add a timekeeper and increment a per-player metric |
| 01:58.15 | lan56 | either way, gets accepted or not, just do whats best |
| 01:58.22 | learner | or rip the networking and get reliable ordered udp |
| 01:58.32 | lan56 | we can do that too :) |
| 01:59.11 | learner | I'd like to test out using something like Spread |
| 01:59.26 | learner | or maybe enet |
| 02:00.17 | learner | a bunch of people I know put Spread together, and it performs _very_ well |
| 02:00.21 | learner | http://www.spread.org/ |
| 02:00.29 | lan56 | let me check thought out |
| 02:00.33 | lan56 | *that |
| 02:01.30 | lan56 | seems interesting, is it like a library or an app? |
| 02:01.55 | learner | it's a lib/toolkit .. has test apps too, though |
| 02:02.15 | lan56 | ahh |
| 02:02.47 | learner | even includes a secure version, which would negate the need for openssl or libcrypt or whatever for talking to the list server |
| 02:03.14 | lan56 | platform independent? |
| 02:04.18 | learner | pretty much |
| 02:04.42 | learner | uses autoconf and has been ported to win32 too |
| 02:06.04 | learner | Yair Amir is a pretty clever fellow when it comes to communications (he's a Univ. professor) |
| 02:06.23 | lan56 | must be to create something that advanced |
| 02:06.27 | learner | hence the DARPA and NSA funding for Spread |
| 02:06.47 | lan56 | when I see things like that, I think, like, where do you even start? |
| 02:06.59 | lan56 | like bochs, where do you even start with a monster like that? |
| 02:07.06 | lan56 | but like this, it gets done somehow |
| 02:07.39 | learner | you start by compiling, reading the readme, reading any dev docs, and running their test apps ;) |
| 02:08.08 | learner | then when one of those steps inevitably doesn't work, you ask questions ;) |
| 02:08.09 | lan56 | no, I mean as for developing it ;) |
| 02:08.25 | lan56 | writing the code I mean :) |
| 02:08.29 | learner | Oh, writing it.. that's easy ;) |
| 02:08.47 | lan56 | no I mean like starting it :) |
| 02:09.01 | lan56 | like planning ahead, will doing this make doing this other thing easy?, etc. |
| 02:09.15 | lan56 | what if this makes this other thing undoable? |
| 02:09.19 | lan56 | junk like that |
| 02:09.26 | learner | It's software architecture and design |
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| 02:09.55 | lan56 | I know, but I am sure even the most skilled people have trouble working it all out in the beginning |
| 02:09.56 | learner | it's learnable .. although education/training is highly useful as it's one of the hardest things to do right |
| 02:10.17 | SportChick | hiya ECN |
| 02:10.29 | EvilChiknNugget | heya sportchick |
| 02:11.02 | SportChick | I put a link to your new site on my front page |
| 02:11.39 | EvilChiknNugget | sweet, thanks. I need all the publicity I can get :) |
| 02:11.59 | SportChick | you can see it at www.kirkanddonna.com/donna |
| 02:12.12 | SportChick | (and our site's on google) :) |
| 02:13.31 | learner | it's Wednesday sportie |
| 02:14.24 | SportChick | I don't have to write EVERY day |
| 02:14.31 | learner | aua... |
| 02:15.03 | SportChick | are you gonna be like our friends were when we were on our trip and complain if we miss a day?! |
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| 02:15.42 | learner | complain? no. disappointed? slightly. annoying? probably. ;) |
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| 02:17.02 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 02:17.04 | learner | that's okay.. keep telling yourself that.. some day you might actually ignore me ;) until then I'll have my fun |
| 02:17.24 | SportChick | hey, Noodleman, what's the silence button again? |
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| 02:17.35 | learner | oh here it is.. |
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| 02:18.49 | mebigfatguy | ? |
| 02:18.54 | mebigfatguy | problems? |
| 02:19.17 | learner | nah :) |
| 02:19.29 | SportChick | don't worry, Mac, there are just a few impatient people around here is all |
| 02:20.07 | learner | SportChick, did you catch me say that I had sushi for dinner yesterday? |
| 02:20.10 | learner | big plate of it |
| 02:20.15 | learner | very yummy |
| 02:20.31 | SportChick | So, how are you MrAC |
| 02:20.54 | learner | :) |
| 02:22.13 | mebigfatguy | peachy |
| 02:23.36 | lan56 | sure |
| 02:23.37 | lan56 | I can |
| 02:24.15 | EvilChiknNugget | I've got xchat set up to automatically identify with the nickserv, I'm wondering if there is a way to make it automatically perform TWO commands instead of just that one |
| 02:24.32 | learner | semi-colon, next command? |
| 02:24.51 | lan56 | oh, that I dont know |
| 02:24.56 | lan56 | sorry bout that ECN |
| 02:24.58 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.10 | EvilChiknNugget | I'll give it a shot and see |
| 02:25.22 | EvilChiknNugget | thx, back in a bit I spose |
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| 02:25.28 | learner | no space after the semi.. might be important |
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| 02:30.24 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzfs.vcproj: add needed files |
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| 02:31.46 | learner | ahh.. purdy cloak |
| 02:31.56 | learner | lama, part #bzflag |
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| 02:32.15 | lan56 | what was the problem with him? |
| 02:32.25 | mebigfatguy | lama @ brlcad? |
| 02:32.28 | learner | nothing |
| 02:32.39 | lan56 | so how come you said for him to leave? |
| 02:32.45 | mebigfatguy | learner == lama |
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| 02:32.53 | lan56 | ahh |
| 02:33.00 | learner | because she doesn't need to lurk here ;) |
| 02:33.06 | mebigfatguy | perhaps a bot |
| 02:33.14 | learner | learner != lama |
| 02:33.38 | lan56 | (learner == lama) ++learner : --learner; |
| 02:33.47 | lan56 | *? |
| 02:33.52 | lan56 | add the ? in the middle :) |
| 02:35.00 | lan56 | so learner != lama? |
| 02:36.30 | learner | I am not lama, lama is not me. lama is a she. learner is a he. |
| 02:36.49 | learner | and I will eat green eggs and ham, learner I am. |
| 02:37.43 | lan56 | that was something else :) |
| 02:39.45 | lan56 | what eats did you find? |
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| 02:41.56 | bryjen | decrementing one's self sound messy. |
| 02:42.07 | bryjen | s/sound/sounds/ |
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| 02:43.13 | ski | hi all |
| 02:43.18 | bryjen | 'lo |
| 02:43.36 | ski | hi bryjen, long time :) |
| 02:43.37 | lan56 | hey |
| 02:43.44 | ski | nhi lan |
| 02:44.21 | menotume | yo, ski |
| 02:44.32 | ski | meno! :) |
| 02:44.46 | menotume | ski: Are you allowed to use irc ? |
| 02:44.50 | ski | hey, whatcha think about the htf site? |
| 02:44.57 | ski | yeah, i think...why? |
| 02:45.05 | menotume | haven't checked it lately :( |
| 02:45.14 | ski | np |
| 02:45.29 | ski | why wouldnt i be allowed? |
| 02:45.51 | menotume | looking now. (j/k about not be allowed) |
| 02:46.21 | ski | heh :) |
| 02:48.16 | menotume | looks good to me |
| 02:48.57 | ski | cool |
| 02:49.08 | ski | i still have a little to do though |
| 02:49.49 | ski | i keep changing it..whenever i get suggestions heh |
| 02:49.59 | ski | hows the new ctf site goin? |
| 02:52.23 | menotume | almost there, but mostly stalled for the last week due to work and another project :( |
| 02:52.41 | menotume | just go to clean up team/player deletion logic |
| 02:52.49 | menotume | s/go/got |
| 02:53.08 | ski | ah, yeah I know how that is |
| 02:53.11 | ski | heh |
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| 02:54.30 | ski | ah well, time to go...cya later |
| 02:54.42 | mebigfatguy | war and peace? |
| 02:54.51 | lan56 | war: what is it good for? |
| 02:54.59 | lan56 | now I am away ;) |
| 02:55.10 | mebigfatguy | one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish? |
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| 03:23.15 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx: quell warning about uninitialized value |
| 03:38.20 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: okay, it's finally sufficiently annoying. don't link against X11 on Mac OS X since Carbon/Aqua is used. this isn't strictly true since I might _want_ X11, but until someone wants it turn it off |
| 03:42.57 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (src/bzfs/PlayerInfo.cxx include/PlayerInfo.h): added isNotResponding(), isNotPlaying(), and isPaused() introspection hooks from a modified version of lan56's sf patch 936787 - "Ignore invalid messages + kick cheating paused players" |
| 03:47.12 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 03:47.12 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: apply a modified version of lan56's sf patch 936787 - "Ignore invalid messages + |
| 03:47.12 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: kick cheating paused players". this version gives a little more debug, custom |
| 03:47.12 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: messages per failure type, and restructures the logic a little. |
| 03:51.10 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: * Improved server pause cheat detection and reporting - Ian Agar, Sean Morrison |
| 03:55.10 | brlcad | I'll leave it to someone else to test out that little gem somehow ;) |
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| 04:02.55 | LilDog | hi |
| 04:13.05 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.h: make the default number of additional votes required to pass a poll 2 instead of three (so 2/3 is new min instead of 3/4) |
| 04:13.09 | mebigfatguy | noddin' off |
| 04:13.31 | brlcad | eek |
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| 04:13.51 | sgk284 | hey folks |
| 04:16.37 | LilDog | hey sgk! |
| 04:16.47 | LilDog | good fight the other night man |
| 04:18.47 | sgk284 | hey lildog |
| 04:18.51 | sgk284 | yea you too |
| 04:18.57 | sgk284 | never knew you hung around these parts |
| 04:23.35 | LilDog | well some people want me to go away but dis ish my home |
| 04:25.00 | sgk284 | haha, who wants you to go away? |
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| 04:36.18 | LilDog | oh just people |
| 04:36.41 | sgk284 | you causing trouble in here? |
| 04:36.45 | sgk284 | :) |
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| 04:40.11 | brlcad | lan56: code style in DEVINFO .. |
| 04:40.36 | lan56 | its been updated? |
| 04:40.43 | lan56 | I did see that |
| 04:40.43 | brlcad | curlies go on the same line as a preceeding statement except for class and function declarations |
| 04:41.04 | lan56 | :( I didn't notice that, thanks for pointing it out |
| 04:41.09 | brlcad | minor |
| 04:41.19 | lan56 | theres more? :( |
| 04:41.24 | lan56 | :) |
| 04:41.40 | brlcad | probably .. dunno what you're used to |
| 04:42.02 | lan56 | I always did hate the same line curlies, and the non-indented line following the curlie |
| 04:42.15 | lan56 | its tough figuring out which curlie goes to which ending curlie |
| 04:42.18 | brlcad | no hungarian prefixes, cap'd words are "preferred" over underscores |
| 04:42.29 | lan56 | I am down with that |
| 04:42.46 | lan56 | brb |
| 04:43.28 | lan56 | back |
| 04:43.38 | lan56 | I do have an IDE that has curly matching |
| 04:43.40 | lan56 | just not emacs :) |
| 04:43.48 | lan56 | although I have used Emacs on Slackware Linux |
| 04:44.14 | brlcad | with curlie on same line you simply match indents instead of open/close curlies |
| 04:44.50 | brlcad | but that's a whole other religious war that's not important .. it's defined for BZ |
| 04:45.02 | lan56 | heres my style in 3 rules: spaces between if/while/for/etc.. and (, curlies get there own line and indent one more next line, and no underscores in var names just uppercase letter for each new word |
| 04:45.16 | lan56 | ther are a few other small things I like, but thats nothing big |
| 04:45.19 | brlcad | most important is to just be consistent with the rest of the code, unless you know DEVINFO says differently |
| 04:45.40 | lan56 | sure, thats been jotted down since I was an amateur :) |
| 04:46.21 | lan56 | what do you like as a stly brlcad? |
| 04:46.23 | brlcad | whitespace indentation is set to 2 char indents with 8 char tabstops |
| 04:46.39 | brlcad | (hence the section at the end of every file for emacs/vi editors) |
| 04:47.04 | lan56 | so 2 spaces for each new indent? |
| 04:47.14 | brlcad | I can go with the flow .. curlies are not a big deal .. you read enough code you get used to seeing both |
| 04:47.25 | lan56 | same here |
| 04:48.37 | lan56 | I will try my best to conform to the indent and curlie thing, but if I make a mistake would that keep patches from being added? I will try my best, but just in case |
| 04:48.58 | brlcad | no, that just makes it more of a pain to reformat everything |
| 04:49.12 | brlcad | and when you get commit access, the other devs will come down on you real quick |
| 04:49.47 | brlcad | (which is one of my main reasons for pointing this out) |
| 04:49.57 | lan56 | :) I will do it |
| 04:50.03 | lan56 | I will conform to those two rules |
| 04:50.08 | lan56 | and I will asap |
| 04:50.35 | brlcad | there's no hurry, and no need to reformat any patches already posted.. just keep in mind for future |
| 04:50.49 | brlcad | I had to revisit DEVINFO repeatedly when I started commiting |
| 04:51.25 | lan56 | I will keep that in mind, thanks for this converstation |
| 04:52.46 | lan56 | heh, you know, I really am glad you pointed that stuff out. I hate "coming into someone's yard and messing with it" |
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| 04:53.54 | brlcad | as for my preferred style, I tend to prefer the K&R style (which is really close to what most code and BZ is), allman's indentation is a bit too spacious for my own projects |
| 04:54.44 | lan56 | thats not a bad style, I've seen some styles and they're just awful |
| 04:54.49 | lan56 | a pain to read |
| 04:55.10 | brlcad | yeah, the official gnu style is horrid imo |
| 04:55.27 | brlcad | and whitesmith's is even worse |
| 04:55.28 | lan56 | I hate GNU style, I hate the spaces between function names and the parentheses |
| 04:55.46 | lan56 | it makes things seem like there is a variable, and then an expression |
| 04:55.48 | brlcad | that part I don't care.. it's the indented curlies.. |
| 04:55.49 | lan56 | not afunction call |
| 04:56.37 | brlcad | I prefer to alway wrap if/else in curlies as well, it's less error prone over time than the single statement assumption |
| 04:56.57 | lan56 | you mean like a separate scope? |
| 04:57.13 | lan56 | or curlies for one liners |
| 04:57.14 | trepan | brlcad: ditto |
| 04:57.20 | brlcad | curlies for one-liners |
| 04:57.24 | lan56 | ahh |
| 04:58.01 | lan56 | I like it myself, though I don't often do it, but yet, it does seem more natural |
| 04:58.02 | brlcad | I think most all programmers that have to hunt down more than two or three bugs related to that quickly agree that always using them is a "good thing" |
| 04:58.17 | brlcad | since the bugs are horrific to locate |
| 04:58.25 | sgk284 | lan56: you the guy that codes the c++ dev utils on SF? |
| 04:58.31 | lan56 | yes |
| 04:58.48 | lan56 | but, lately, its been a bit slow :| |
| 04:58.49 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/cvs/DEVINFO .. Formatting section |
| 04:59.02 | lan56 | looking at it right now |
| 04:59.52 | brlcad | otherwise BZ is pretty darn relaxed in terms of style flexibility |
| 05:00.21 | lan56 | about indents, I always see two spaces for indents, but I never see the tabs deal |
| 05:00.22 | brlcad | fortunately there are not really any style-entrenched die-hards starting wars |
| 05:00.35 | brlcad | it has to indent 4 levels .. |
| 05:00.59 | brlcad | Look for a piece of code that is 4 levels deep, you'll find a tab |
| 05:01.30 | brlcad | Most ides have settings for that |
| 05:01.30 | lan56 | oh you mean a tab == 4 indents from the main scope |
| 05:01.35 | lan56 | yes |
| 05:01.38 | lan56 | mine does |
| 05:01.39 | brlcad | tabstop=8 |
| 05:01.45 | brlcad | indent=2 |
| 05:01.54 | lan56 | set my IDE's tab setting to 8 spaces, let me see indenting |
| 05:02.42 | lan56 | hmm, well it only has tab setting, but I tell you what: I will just type two whitespaces manually for indents |
| 05:03.38 | brlcad | ugh |
| 05:04.11 | brlcad | I'm just about finished with -poll var=val patch btw (which is how I noticed) ;) |
| 05:05.07 | brlcad | lan56: I don't think I heard your answer earlier.. do you have any OOP experience/training/understanding? |
| 05:05.25 | lan56 | yes sure do |
| 05:06.35 | brlcad | so you know Gang of 4 patterns, and what not -- what a Factory pattern is, for example? |
| 05:07.16 | lan56 | I have heard of them, I am sure I know the code, but not the names |
| 05:07.32 | brlcad | fair enough |
| 05:07.48 | lan56 | I do know about inheritance, private, public, protected, -> instead of . , etc.. |
| 05:10.18 | sgk284 | lan56: (*ptr).method() will also work for ptr->method() |
| 05:10.25 | lan56 | ok, looked at the formatting part of the DEVINFO deal, looks easy. The ones I do need to remember are #1, #2, and #3 |
| 05:10.36 | lan56 | sure |
| 05:11.00 | lan56 | thanks for mentioning that brlcad, I am glad we had this talk |
| 05:12.41 | brlcad | no problemo |
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| 05:14.34 | lan56 | I gotta go, going out to pick up dinner, I am very busy tommorow, booked solid with stuff going on, may not get much time on here, bye all, thanks for that chat brlcad, will remember forever, bye! :))))) |
| 05:14.53 | Pimpinella | g'mornin |
| 05:15.24 | sgk284 | cya lan |
| 05:15.29 | sgk284 | oops too late heh |
| 05:15.45 | sgk284 | g'morning pimp |
| 05:15.48 | sgk284 | where are you? |
| 05:15.55 | Pimpinella | germany |
| 05:15.58 | sgk284 | over in the states its late at night heh |
| 05:16.05 | sgk284 | its 1:30 am where i am |
| 05:16.19 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx: silliness |
| 05:16.21 | trepan | 1:15am here |
| 05:16.29 | Pimpinella | well its ugt there for u too, eh? ;) |
| 05:16.35 | Pimpinella | ~ugt |
| 05:16.36 | ibot | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. It states that it is always morning when person comes in, and it is always late when person leaves. Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant. |
| 05:17.13 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:17.44 | trepan | kinda like Swatch beat time? |
| 05:17.54 | purple_cow | scanline: so you need to start figuring out travel accomodations so i can see if i can get a frequent flyer ticket on the same flight |
| 05:18.31 | scanline | purple_cow: ok. My mom offered to find me some cheap tickets, since she's good at that. Where and when are we going to exactly? |
| 05:19.04 | purple_cow | scanline: well, ideally on united. conference is the 8th-12th, i'm assuming LAX is the right airport |
| 05:19.27 | scanline | ok.. so anything the morning of the 8th would be good? |
| 05:19.40 | purple_cow | 7th is better |
| 05:19.49 | purple_cow | since there's stuff going on the morning of the 8th |
| 05:19.55 | purple_cow | and we will need to get things set up |
| 05:19.55 | scanline | ok. did you say brlcad had a hotel room? |
| 05:20.06 | purple_cow | we dunno that yet :P |
| 05:20.11 | scanline | ah |
| 05:20.11 | purple_cow | brlcad: wakey wakey |
| 05:20.26 | purple_cow | get a chance to call? |
| 05:20.48 | brlcad | they gave me a run-around today .. I'm supposed to call back again |
| 05:21.31 | purple_cow | mmmk |
| 05:21.37 | brlcad | I did talk to my coworker, though, and he had no problem with it |
| 05:22.38 | brlcad | so if anything, you've got some form of shelter via floor, couch, and bed rotations or something |
| 05:23.12 | brlcad | Still need to get the hotel to agree to multiple occupants at least, though .. for keys and what not |
| 05:23.57 | brlcad | Oof, you don't want to arrive the 8th.. |
| 05:25.56 | scanline | I see that now :) |
| 05:26.03 | brlcad | LAX is the airport unless you want to rent a car ;) |
| 05:26.13 | scanline | where is the conference? |
| 05:26.28 | brlcad | it's in downtown LA at the convention center |
| 05:26.40 | scanline | near the airport? :) |
| 05:26.41 | brlcad | big place, can't miss it ;) |
| 05:26.51 | purple_cow | brlcad: we can't rent a car |
| 05:26.53 | brlcad | no, about 10 miles north or so |
| 05:26.54 | scanline | or is there a bus? |
| 05:27.11 | brlcad | there should be shuttles (at least for the hotel I'm at) |
| 05:27.16 | scanline | k |
| 05:27.25 | brlcad | or we might have a car too .. haven't decided |
| 05:27.38 | brlcad | I think I might just because I'm vacationing extra too |
| 05:28.19 | brlcad | plus it'll be useful if we have some bz thing going on -- more convenient than a cab at least |
| 05:29.57 | SportChick | ~brlcad++ |
| 05:31.41 | brlcad | hrm.. I suppose that means I need to make sure one of my cards are working for the security deposit .. that was a crazy fiasco last time.. wouldn't take a bank card, wouldn't let me pay the whole deal up front |
| 05:38.43 | purple_cow | yay fiasco |
| 05:42.25 | brlcad | i did eventually get it, was just a rule my company forgot to mention before I flew.. |
| 05:47.59 | brlcad | theives that prey on human nature and human weakness .. especially the higher the need |
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| 05:50.41 | brlcad | ~sportchick++ |
| 05:51.48 | SportChick | not THAT |
| 05:51.53 | SportChick | heh |
| 05:51.58 | SportChick | but thanks anyway |
| 05:52.00 | SportChick | hiya Patlabor |
| 05:52.11 | SportChick | ~Patlabor221++ |
| 05:52.13 | brlcad | that? |
| 05:52.20 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 05:52.49 | SportChick | ah! heh |
| 05:53.37 | SportChick | :( |
| 05:55.31 | brlcad | looks good :) |
| 05:55.41 | SportChick | looks better now..I fixed my typos |
| 05:55.47 | SportChick | (grammatical) |
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