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| 00:17.46 | Grumbler | dang, i am really going to break some things this weekend |
| 00:19.59 | Patlabor221 | like what? |
| 00:20.15 | Grumbler | i am finally putting in the dialogs for editting the world size |
| 00:20.30 | Patlabor221 | fun fun |
| 00:20.31 | blast007 | ah, cool :) |
| 00:21.02 | Grumbler | well, i really wanted to add the stuff for the spawn zones, but i still had this partially done..........so this first |
| 00:21.30 | Grumbler | !whaleslap Patlabor221 |
| 00:21.38 | Grumbler | ~whaleslap Patlabor221 |
| 00:21.40 | ibot | ACTION slaps Patlabor221 upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 00:21.42 | Patlabor221 | cmon it'll be cool |
| 00:21.52 | Patlabor221 | you know you want to add flair dialogs :) |
| 00:22.03 | Patlabor221 | dirt, grass, and rocks |
| 00:22.10 | Grumbler | grrrr.....ok..............i will wait to pass judgement |
| 00:22.11 | Patlabor221 | they look cool when you speed by |
| 00:22.49 | Grumbler | hopefully if i get this worldsize stuff to work, i will completely understand how this program works.............yeah right |
| 00:23.21 | Grumbler | but adding a new class shouldnt be too difficult |
| 00:23.27 | Grumbler | or new classes |
| 00:23.36 | Grumbler | of course, i have no clue how to draw the stuff |
| 00:24.00 | Grumbler | where the hell is purple_cow and his all so awesome bzedit+ :) |
| 00:24.48 | Patlabor221 | wonder if should add a lawn gnome class |
| 00:25.48 | Grumbler | you should stop at gnomes. penguins, ok. chickens, ok. gnomes.....evil |
| 00:26.34 | Patlabor221 | actualy it's up to the map builder |
| 00:27.13 | Patlabor221 | just has grass and rocks now -> http://sasami.bakadigital.com/public/temp/screenshot_1.png |
| 00:27.28 | Patlabor221 | 3 kinds of grass tho |
| 00:27.56 | Grumbler | pampas, reed, sugar cane? |
| 00:28.12 | Patlabor221 | naw just the first 3 Google Image Search came upwith :) |
| 00:28.48 | Patlabor221 | time to get to the movie |
| 00:28.52 | Patlabor221 | and get my wizard hat |
| 00:28.55 | Grumbler | can you edit the z of the grass |
| 00:29.05 | Patlabor221 | not right now |
| 00:29.11 | Grumbler | ok....have fun at the movie |
| 00:29.14 | Patlabor221 | it's just a random seed value and range |
| 00:29.19 | Patlabor221 | tho I shoudl add a scale |
| 00:29.24 | Patlabor221 | anything can be added :) |
| 00:29.27 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
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| 00:50.10 | Quol | hello |
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| 01:04.15 | [dmp] | cosmos: hepcat just died. |
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| 01:11.59 | [dmp] | cosmos: nevermind that |
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| 01:45.05 | bryjen | ~seen Grumbler |
| 01:45.12 | ibot | grumbler <~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 16m 1s ago, saying: 'ok....have fun at the movie'. |
| 01:49.40 | bryjen | or perhaps to them? ;) |
| 01:50.00 | fiberchunks | ohhhhh, the itch is much more severe now |
| 01:50.15 | fiberchunks | but the nasty metal part is out of my eye, so that's a bonus, I guess ;) |
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| 01:50.37 | bryjen | uh, yeah |
| 01:50.42 | bryjen | and ewww |
| 01:50.55 | nilson | Is there a map editor for FreeBSD or Linux? |
| 01:51.22 | fiberchunks | to remove the 'rust ring', the opthamologist used essentially a dremel tool with a drill bit, and ground it off my eyeball -- quite freaky |
| 01:51.24 | nilson | I'm needing a map that's good for ctf with 4-10 people, and everything I can find is way too big |
| 01:51.42 | fiberchunks | try random mappage |
| 01:51.56 | nilson | they are really buggy, with the pyramids |
| 01:52.01 | fiberchunks | ahhhh |
| 01:52.05 | nilson | we keep spawning in the pyramids |
| 01:52.19 | bryjen | ?!? |
| 01:53.22 | nilson | Server is 1.10.6.20040604-RELEASE-freebsd5.2 |
| 01:53.58 | fiberchunks | mmm, you could always try to CTF-ify the old turkey map -- that would be spiffy |
| 01:54.13 | fiberchunks | or use an xmission map (HiX I think it's called) |
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| 01:55.01 | nilson | and my server didn't come with any maps... I have searched the entire system recursively from / with locate, and there are no .bzw or .map files |
| 01:55.51 | nilson | This is the bzflag server from ports in FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT. I did a cvsup'd my ports tree before compiling, to make sure I had the latest version |
| 01:55.57 | bryjen | try http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=423059&group_id=3248&func=browse |
| 01:56.12 | fiberchunks | http://users.pandora.be/dpf/bzWorlds/ there too |
| 01:57.54 | nilson | thanks |
| 02:02.33 | fiberchunks | arggggghhhhhhhhhh -- anyone got a knitting needle I can use to pry my eyeball out with? |
| 02:03.00 | bryjen | ice cream scooper? |
| 02:03.03 | trepan | are there any nearby clinics? |
| 02:03.33 | fiberchunks | everything's removed, but the itch, since corneal scrapage, is much worse now (should be gone in 2 days though) |
| 02:04.18 | nilson | fiberchunks, what happened to it originally? |
| 02:04.28 | fiberchunks | piece of metal got stuck in it |
| 02:04.30 | trepan | how about a bottle of JD, or the Captain? and when you wake up, you'll feel so badly that you won't notice the itch |
| 02:04.40 | fiberchunks | that is my next option :) |
| 02:05.21 | bryjen | ping learner |
| 02:05.30 | bryjen | configure: error: conditional "BUGGY_MIPSPRO" was never defined. |
| 02:05.44 | nilson | I got some dirt&small rocks in my eye back when I used to do motocross and that was soooo annoying. I went to the opthamologist and he cleansed out what I had missed, and put in some drops, and said it'd be better withing a weel |
| 02:05.48 | bryjen | that's quite buggy to be b0rkin my x86 linux box |
| 02:06.10 | fiberchunks | interesting that I cancelled my DSL, but I'm still able to get my email through that ISP |
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| 02:18.30 | bryjen | ~seen orchid |
| 02:18.30 | ibot | orchid <~orchid@orchid.registered> was last seen on IRC in channel #tacobeam, 3d 20h 32m 7s ago, saying: 'it is all done with a web interface right? you cannot use vi/ssh i gather?'. |
| 02:18.46 | trepan | bzfrelay is borked, Tupone removed -D_BSD_SOURCE & -D_POSIX_SOURCE from CPPFLAGS |
| 02:19.16 | trepan | removing -ansi would also fix the problem |
| 02:19.17 | fplus | hia whats the height of a tank ? |
| 02:19.58 | trepan | default: "_tankHeight", "2.05" |
| 02:20.16 | fplus | thanks |
| 02:22.20 | trepan | bryjen: add _BSD_SOURCE and _POSIX_SOURCE to the top of bzfrelay.c ? |
| 02:23.20 | bryjen | searched and removed -ansi |
| 02:23.38 | bryjen | from der Makefile in bzfrelay |
| 02:23.54 | trepan | yup, that worked for me |
| 02:24.16 | bryjen | now it gets to bzsignal.c |
| 02:26.22 | trepan | i'd like to know why those two -D's were removed, i don't understand the commit comment |
| 02:27.02 | JBdiGriz | hey quol |
| 02:28.23 | Quol | hey JB |
| 02:29.50 | Quol | how the wide and kids JB? |
| 02:29.59 | Quol | oh boy - wife... |
| 02:30.02 | orange | Quol: you have to use JBdiGriz's full nickname :-) |
| 02:30.24 | Quol | he should be used to me calling him JB by now... |
| 02:30.26 | Quol | lol |
| 02:30.41 | orange | me too... he says if I'm too lazy to type it all out to hit tab ;-) |
| 02:31.08 | Quol | my tab key gets stuck - so I get JBdiGriz JBdiGriz JBdiGriz |
| 02:31.14 | orange | lol |
| 02:32.09 | Quol | so JBdiGriz - you say hi and then ignore me :) |
| 02:32.51 | bryjen | perhaps he is contemplating the width of the wife |
| 02:33.08 | orange | lol |
| 02:33.10 | Quol | anyone have a solid easy to use mail server they recommend - Imap/POP3/SMTP |
| 02:33.16 | Quol | lol bryjen |
| 02:33.22 | Quol | the width of the wide :) |
| 02:33.41 | bryjen | or the meaning of life |
| 02:33.54 | JBdiGriz | they are calling me, which is why i'm sometimes slow to respond ;) |
| 02:34.11 | Quol | JBdiGriz: no problem just joking.. |
| 02:35.16 | guu | New news from matches: Jun 05 02:25 => [HoW] Hell On Wheels:12, The Barons:0 |
| 02:36.06 | bryjen | trepan: removing -ansi from src/common/Makefile let bzsignal.c compile too |
| 02:36.41 | trepan | bryjen: cvs diff -r 1.115 configure.in > patchfile; patch -R -p0 < patchfile |
| 02:37.00 | trepan | i'm tempted to revert that commit, but wanna see what he was up to first |
| 02:37.38 | bryjen | actually, the whole mess compiled |
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| 02:58.40 | Quol | lol JBdiGriz JBdiGriz |
| 02:58.52 | JBdiGriz | I hear an echo |
| 03:01.08 | Quol | JBdiGriz: so you are daddy and mommy today then |
| 03:01.41 | JBdiGriz | Actually, today I get to be only one, mom's hanging out at home instead of working tonight |
| 03:02.08 | Quol | I thought she was sick |
| 03:02.32 | JBdiGriz | nope, but all wives need some doting occasionally ;) |
| 03:03.01 | Quol | that's very true :) |
| 03:03.06 | JBdiGriz | how's your family doing? |
| 03:03.27 | Quol | last night I got the whole speach "....I think we need more romance....." one |
| 03:04.46 | JBdiGriz | Having kids does put a damper on the romance. I wish I could convince my wife that "date" nights are still fun. |
| 03:04.52 | Quol | not that I don't like doing those things - it's just that I am not good at it and have to try hard.. you know the thick headed guy syndrome "what do you mean romance != foreplay"... |
| 03:06.03 | JBdiGriz | You could apply your manager/coding skills. Realize that you need to put things into a proper sequence or you get a "sin"tax error. |
| 03:06.49 | Quol | ya - I am planning a "weekend away" |
| 03:07.11 | Quol | hopefully that should fill up the "romance" tank a little |
| 03:09.19 | purple_cow | ARG |
| 03:09.22 | purple_cow | where the hell is learner |
| 03:09.23 | Quol | JBdiGriz: actually my wife is out with the girls tonight...she had a hard week so I told her to get a couple of freinds together and go have some fun...family is doing well though thank :) |
| 03:09.33 | Quol | what's up purple_cow |
| 03:10.00 | purple_cow | just a little thing that will make learner very happy :) |
| 03:19.27 | JBdiGriz | anything to do with SIGGRAPH? |
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| 03:20.22 | purple_cow | JBdiGriz: just maybe :) |
| 03:20.47 | JBdiGriz | He's apparently out seeing a movie, I doubt it's Harry Potter. |
| 03:21.52 | purple_cow | when did he leave? |
| 03:22.59 | JBdiGriz | According to /whois a little over 3 hours ago. |
| 03:23.10 | purple_cow | k |
| 03:23.34 | JBdiGriz | any plans to bounce around decks tonight? |
| 03:23.40 | purple_cow | hmm, i dunno |
| 03:23.56 | purple_cow | we rented the gamecube version of mario kart, which it turns out is a great multiplayer game |
| 03:24.56 | purple_cow | so i may be engaged with that instead |
| 03:25.50 | purple_cow | oh well, i guess learner has a backlog |
| 03:25.55 | purple_cow | learner: scanline & i are comin' to LA =D |
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| 03:26.50 | scanline | =D |
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| 03:27.33 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 03:27.49 | Grumbler | anybody have admin rights on tuxee? |
| 03:28.24 | Grumbler | when you have time, take a gander at Furballs tk totals |
| 03:36.34 | Quol | JBdiGriz: people are starting to play on the decks again? |
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| 03:58.33 | mebigfatguy | got a sf question for yas |
| 03:58.50 | mebigfatguy | does write access a prerequisite to being listed on the developers section? |
| 03:59.52 | mebigfatguy | <certainly purple_cow knows the answer to this> |
| 04:00.05 | JBdiGriz | when purple_cow sets up decks, usually on a friday night |
| 04:04.57 | triclops | when was the autopilot feature added to bzflag? |
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| 04:05.24 | lan56 | hello |
| 04:12.25 | lurgy | --/.>? |
| 04:12.52 | lan56 | I think you've been using AOL too much |
| 04:13.34 | mebigfatguy | autopilot 1.10.2? |
| 04:13.53 | triclops | was that the first version? |
| 04:14.09 | mebigfatguy | either that or 1.10.0 |
| 04:14.13 | mebigfatguy | something like that |
| 04:14.25 | triclops | cool, so it wasn't in 1.7 at all |
| 04:14.36 | lan56 | heh, when you think about it, in a way autopilot and bots are like scripts |
| 04:14.50 | lan56 | scripts that call off commands, its a neat thought |
| 04:15.21 | mebigfatguy | 1.7 .. no |
| 04:15.41 | triclops | what about 1.8? |
| 04:18.38 | triclops | autopilot was in 1.8 it would seem |
| 04:20.10 | mebigfatguy | crs started autopilot in 1.8 but it did basically nothing |
| 04:20.16 | mebigfatguy | 1.8 was never released |
| 04:20.28 | mebigfatguy | I wrote most of the autopilot code based on crs's start for 1.10 |
| 04:21.10 | mebigfatguy | 1.8 didn't shoot, didn't avoid shots, jump, pick flags, talk, etc, etc |
| 04:21.13 | mebigfatguy | just drove around |
| 04:21.17 | mebigfatguy | aimlessly |
| 04:21.21 | triclops | heh |
| 04:22.33 | triclops | it looks like it just tried to move towards a target |
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| 04:23.17 | lan56 | are there any flaws or "not completeness" in autopilot still? |
| 04:25.07 | triclops | lan56: well do you call a flaw? it's somewhat hardcoded into the game and is one of two bots in the client. |
| 04:25.30 | lan56 | like, just errors or missing features |
| 04:25.41 | triclops | i'm not sure if it uses teleporters yet |
| 04:25.54 | triclops | or do any serious path finding |
| 04:26.10 | lan56 | well, it could use teleporters, but that is very unlikely as it would be out of chance |
| 04:26.14 | lan56 | if I read the code right |
| 04:26.58 | lan56 | I dont remember seeing any limits in the code, so I do believe it would be chance only if it uses one, not by programming |
| 04:27.29 | DTRemenak | lan56: try running a client with autopilot on and fighting against it in another client - if it does something stupid, it could use work :) |
| 04:27.58 | DTRemenak | and running into teleporters by chance can not really be considered "using" them |
| 04:28.04 | lan56 | I know I know, me and my stupid questions ;) |
| 04:28.24 | DTRemenak | questions are one of the best ways to learn |
| 04:28.38 | lan56 | at least, using them by chance |
| 04:28.42 | lan56 | use without purpose |
| 04:28.51 | lan56 | is a good way to descripe bots using teleporters |
| 04:29.22 | trepan | DTRemenak: questions, and books on tape ;) |
| 04:29.28 | DTRemenak | I think what triclops is trying to say is that the autopilot could be programmed to purposefully follow them, learn where they go, and use that to its advantage, later on |
| 04:29.51 | DTRemenak | *that* would be using teleporters :) |
| 04:30.05 | triclops | yeah, at the very least it could 'cheat' and go through a teleporter if it represented a good option |
| 04:30.06 | lan56 | the code does do this, but if it didn't, bots and autopilot could be smarter than a human |
| 04:30.19 | lan56 | I mean, the code limits |
| 04:30.32 | lan56 | is what I meant, the code limits the use of knowledge to a bot |
| 04:30.36 | DTRemenak | triclops: best to avoid cheating - autopilot can be toggled on and off |
| 04:30.48 | DTRemenak | allowing the robot to cheat allows the player to cheat too |
| 04:30.57 | lan56 | for example, the knowledge of invisible bullets, stealth tanks, etc.. are available but not used |
| 04:31.02 | lan56 | but I know, thats cheating |
| 04:31.06 | DTRemenak | lan56: exactly |
| 04:31.18 | triclops | i meant 'cheat' in the sense that it knows where it is going to end up if it follows it |
| 04:32.17 | DTRemenak | triclops: I think it should have to go through once - I don't have a problem with a perfect memory (wish I had one :) ), but I don't think the autopilot should ever "know" anything the player doesn't |
| 04:33.25 | DTRemenak | ideally, the client software itself would not know anything we didn't want the player to know |
| 04:35.37 | triclops | unfortunately that ideal is limited by latency |
| 04:35.53 | lan56 | I thought CPU time isn't a problem? |
| 04:36.06 | triclops | no but the network you play over is |
| 04:36.13 | lan56 | ahh |
| 04:36.33 | triclops | (acutally CPU time is important, but for other reasons) |
| 04:37.00 | lan56 | I once compiled the BZFlag suite with GCC option "-O3", went faster, considerably |
| 04:37.15 | lan56 | the official releases, are they compiled with optimizations? |
| 04:37.36 | DTRemenak | -O2 is specified by autotools |
| 04:37.55 | lan56 | thats size, or speed? I believe size |
| 04:39.33 | DTRemenak | -O2: Optimize even more. GCC performs nearly all supported optimizations that do not involve a space-speed tradeoff. |
| 04:39.39 | DTRemenak | from the GCC manpage |
| 04:40.00 | DTRemenak | both speed and size - O2 is the greatest optimization you can run without favoring one over the other |
| 04:40.26 | DTRemenak | -Os is a special option for reducing size |
| 04:41.03 | lan56 | I think -O3 is turbo drive, throw it all in, grand slam, best there is - best there was - best there ever will be, all star, playoffs, get it on!, slam dunk type of optimization |
| 04:41.18 | lan56 | the max I believe from the man page |
| 04:41.34 | DTRemenak | yeah - and it makes debugging impossible :) |
| 04:41.50 | DTRemenak | -ffast-math is also turned on by our configure, IIRC |
| 04:41.54 | lan56 | using a debugger? |
| 04:42.00 | DTRemenak | lan56: yes |
| 04:42.07 | lan56 | ahh |
| 04:42.42 | triclops | pft, printf is all you need |
| 04:43.03 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 04:43.17 | triclops | unless your debugging a kernel |
| 04:43.26 | Chewie[] | triclops: puts is better |
| 04:43.31 | lan56 | if bzflag is C++, then how come there are some C headers? like "stdio.h" instead of "cstdio", or stdlib.h not "cstdlib"? |
| 04:43.34 | Chewie[] | triclops: a tad lighter anyways |
| 04:43.52 | DTRemenak | lan56: some c++ implementations are not complient, and do not offer c* headers |
| 04:44.03 | DTRemenak | there is no difference other than the namespace, anyway |
| 04:44.11 | lan56 | thank you |
| 04:44.11 | DTRemenak | and bzflag is virtually un-namespaced |
| 04:44.21 | lan56 | there are std:: calls |
| 04:44.25 | Grumbler | is mac still here? |
| 04:44.46 | bryjen | ~seen mebigfatguy |
| 04:44.47 | ibot | mebigfatguy is currently on #bzflag (48m 50s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 23m 30s |
| 04:45.06 | Grumbler | hmm....anybody know if the spawn zones are a plane or 3d |
| 04:45.14 | triclops | lan56: autopilot could do with a FSM |
| 04:45.24 | lan56 | whats fsm? |
| 04:45.31 | triclops | finite state machine |
| 04:45.40 | Grumbler | aside, saw my first ST visibility cheat in sometime |
| 04:45.43 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: 3d, I think |
| 04:45.58 | Grumbler | ok, i will work with that.....it does make it easier |
| 04:46.11 | lan56 | heh, its funny you should say that, because I am working on a contest entry since this afternoon, and the objective was to create a "finite state machine" so thats weird occurance |
| 04:46.30 | lan56 | notya word everyday |
| 04:46.40 | lan56 | *not a word heard everyday |
| 04:46.47 | lan56 | I just cant spell tonight |
| 04:47.15 | triclops | FSMs are nice. But bzflag isn't the kind of game that needs a lot of state. (well not in FFA or Rabbit) |
| 04:48.06 | lan56 | rabbit mode is a lot of fun, but some times it can be a bit tricky if the map is complicated or there are too many players |
| 04:48.14 | lan56 | a lot of players is essential, but not too many |
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