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00:26.16CIA-1navi-misc: 03jeffm * r4300 10firestarter/ (5 files in 5 dirs): have clients connect to server via udp
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00:58.09banditohello all
00:58.15banditois anyone here
00:58.33bandito~seen patlabor221
00:58.36ibotpatlabor221 <~JeffM@208.48.199.220> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 35m 6s ago, saying: 'ahah resize'.
00:58.48DTRemenakhi bandito
00:58.48bandito~seen grumbler
00:58.50ibotgrumbler <~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 23h 9m 33s ago, saying: 'ok, i am not really helping here......have a good night all. ....and take it easy on SPorty'.
00:58.52banditooh hi
00:59.06banditohow are you
00:59.14banditodid u ever get my conf and all?
00:59.19DTRemenakI'm ok, thanks
00:59.22DTRemenakno, I didn't
00:59.26banditohmmm
00:59.28banditooh well
00:59.30DTRemenakdid you get it working, or still need help?
00:59.35banditoi think i may be ion bussiness
01:00.06banditoim just checking
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01:10.22banditoguess what
01:10.23bandito!
01:10.32banditoim soo happy oh so happy
01:10.37banditoit works
01:11.17banditobut i have 1 million flags
01:11.52banditothats a bad thing
01:12.40banditohmmk well i be back later
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02:05.07bandito_awayhi is anyone here
02:05.40Banditowell thanks for the offer of help but
02:05.44Banditoi got it running
02:05.49DTRemenakcool
02:06.05Banditowell i think
02:06.15Banditoi gotta make couple adjustments
02:06.47DTRemenakthere are always adjustments to be made, it seems
02:13.32Banditoyah
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02:47.46brlcadher buh bye learner
02:48.05JBdiGrizwe didn't need him around anyway
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03:15.31Banditowho is learner
03:15.39Banditowho is learner
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04:06.46CIA-1BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx: improved time skipping and stats output
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04:31.08CIA-1navi-misc: 03jeffm * r4306 10firestarter/server/src/serverListener.cpp: would help if the server CHECKED for new network messages
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05:44.22CIA-1BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (RecordReplay.cxx commands.cxx): save the elapsed time in the file, more info for user upon loading files
06:00.07CIA-1BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx: put the buffer size back to a reasonable default
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10:20.11[dmp].. erhm..
10:20.18bluedragon:)
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10:37.38DaNewBwhere can I find an RPM for fedora please?
10:38.17Pimpinellawhat an rmp?
10:38.35Pimpinellafedora is a distrubution
10:38.48Pimpinellaaaahhh.....
10:38.48DaNewBan RPM for bzflag
10:38.54Pimpinellaof bzflag?
10:38.58Pimpinellahm
10:38.59DaNewByes
10:39.54DaNewBthose nightly rpms seem outdated, no?
10:41.27Pimpinellayep
10:41.36DaNewBdo you know, Pimpinella?
10:41.44DaNewBi mean where?
10:42.08Pimpinellathe one called i386 rpm gcc3 (rh8+) should do?
10:42.31Pimpinellawhowever its still 1.10.4
10:42.49DaNewBnot bad, although i would like to find 1.10.6
10:43.11DaNewBideally
10:43.42DaNewBi could compile it, but im still a n00b after all...
10:43.47Pimpinellaiirc jb digriz uses rh, probably he has one
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10:44.25Pimpinellacompiling it is pretty easy
10:44.45DaNewBconfigure, make, then make install, right?
10:44.51Pimpinella./configure
10:44.53Pimpinellamake
10:45.02Pimpinellamake install (as superuser
10:45.06Pimpinella)
10:45.24DaNewBi'll try it then, see u then...
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10:53.34DaNewBcompiler... suspens...
10:53.47DaNewBcompiling... suspens...
10:57.54DaNewBthe suspens is killing me... really...
11:00.06DaNewBok done! gonna try it out now!
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11:32.10rooterhello all
11:32.47rooteri think i found a bug with 1.10.6
11:33.58rooternever mind... i found it in the bug tracker
11:34.11[dmp]hi rooter
11:35.28rooterhello dmp!
11:35.34rooterhow is it going?
11:35.56[dmp]Good. Well, expect for me beeing tired of our project but its nearly done now.
11:36.24Pimpinellawhats ur project [dmp]
11:36.24rooterthe AI project?
11:36.26Pimpinella?
11:36.39Pimpinellaai sounds nice
11:37.12[dmp]rooter: No, our projects is only a few months. The ai is done. We're currently working on a highlevel translator.
11:37.35[dmp]homer never got cleaver anyway :)
11:37.39rooterinteresting
11:37.41rooter:)
11:37.59rooteri turned our CS department on to that tool
11:38.11[dmp]tests showed that barney was better (it didnt use bayansian nets)
11:38.38[dmp]Robocode? Or Hugin ?
11:38.39rooteris the translator to plug into other products?
11:38.42rooterrobocode
11:39.21rooterhugin?  the panorama tool?
11:39.27[dmp]No, its a standalone one. Its just to try to make a "compiler" - doing everything from understanding the problem domain (olap), creating a language, and implementing some of it.
11:39.39rooterah... interesting
11:39.47[dmp]Hugin was the bayeansian (ill never get that word right) api we used.
11:39.49[dmp].. for homer
11:39.51rooterah
11:40.31rooterbayesian i think
11:41.03[dmp]our current project dont really have much code :(. We dont need scoping rules, typesystem (well its close to none) and alot of other interesting features.
11:41.03rootersounds interesting.  You are taking into account grammer and everything?
11:41.09[dmp]yep
11:41.18rooternot an easy project
11:41.24[dmp]Took ages to settle on how the language should look like :)
11:41.32[dmp]7 peoples like it, their own way :)
11:41.35rooteri can imagine
11:41.54[dmp]ofcause, the settled on mine (my suggested was to make it different, not sql/mdx/oracle like)
11:41.58[dmp]:-)
11:42.01rooterit would have to be fairly complex
11:42.29rootergood... standard relational would encompass what is needed
11:43.05rooteris it easily parseable?
11:43.28[dmp]our language? Yeah. And we use a compiler-compiler tool, which does most of the work.
11:43.37rooterah... cool
11:44.13[dmp]Now I'd like to try to use this experience for some project, but cant find one :)
11:44.19rooterhehe
11:44.44rooteri'm still working on the university portal... there are still some channels that have to be developed
11:44.53rooterit's all based on uportal
11:45.33[dmp]dont know it.
11:45.40[dmp]what language(s) are you using?
11:46.05rooterJava
11:46.18rooterthat's what uPortal's API requires
11:46.36rooteruportal.org
11:47.22rooterunfortunately i'm not doing anything challenging
11:47.35rooterjust making a lot of services talk to each other
11:47.40[dmp]ah sucks
11:47.48[dmp]i like to get a good challenge :\
11:47.58rooteryeah... i find little things that i make up for myself that help
11:48.06[dmp]i tried to make a web framework, but i dont spend much time on it. No real challenge.
11:48.58rooterit's a great tool... but all XML, XSLT, SQL and Java
11:49.52rooterit's fun to add things I know students will enjoy (a professor rater)
11:49.56[dmp]perhaps i should stop using php and start looking at java
11:50.02[dmp]hehe
11:50.23rooteri still use php for smaller projects.
11:50.43[dmp]we got 83719237 different systems. None of them is integrated properly.
11:50.48rooterfor me php is hard to scale
11:50.50rooterwe did too
11:51.44rooterthis portal integrates webmail, on-line registration, course-ware, calendaring, library services... chat...  and more
11:51.53rooteri just hope it can take a load :)
11:52.20[dmp]hehe
11:52.34rooteryou going to school over the summer?
11:52.41[dmp]No.
11:53.27[dmp]our project deadline is 28th. Got exams 18 and 25th. and thats it :)
11:53.38[dmp]summerholidays :) (at my mums place :) )
11:53.50rootergreat
11:53.59rooterwe are already out
11:54.59[dmp]after we moved, we go visit her (and brothers too) there for like 6-7 weeks.. and get back here in time for next semesterstart.
11:55.02[dmp]But..
11:55.11[dmp]I'd to code alittle :)
11:55.13rooterwhere is there?
11:55.15rooteri do that
11:55.36rooteri take a laptop to the folks house sometimes and work on a couple of personal projects
11:55.50[dmp]1. september.
11:56.27[dmp]They only got 3 ip's there, and they are all in use in the summer, as my brothers/sisters like the net too :)
11:56.52rooteryou should set up a wireless router ;)
11:56.58rootershare an ip or 2
11:57.28[dmp]Would be nice. I guess xp might be able to be confiugred to do so
11:57.31rooteranyway...  you don't have to have a connection to code
11:57.40[dmp]depends on what i code :)
11:57.41rooterxp is easy to configure to do so
11:57.43rootertrue
11:57.49rooterwell... i don't know
11:57.57rooteryou can set up just about any service you want
11:58.08[dmp]yeah i guess.
11:58.17[dmp]better prepare my laptop before going there.
11:58.25rooteri have apache, mysql, oracle, tomcat on my powerbook
11:58.49[dmp]oracle? Dosnst it eat your member pretty quickly?
11:58.55rooteryeah
11:59.06rooteri don't usually have it on unless it's really needed
12:00.26rooterbut i understand... sometimes while coding it's nice to be able to look at an on-line reference
12:00.33rooteror figure out a problem
12:00.38[dmp]yep
12:00.57[dmp]but ill live :)
12:01.11rooterOracle is especially bothersome when running on virtualPC linux ;)
12:02.13rooterwell... i got to go find a good RSS/RDF tool... have fun this summer if i don't hear from you
12:05.15[dmp]i might be online when i can :)
12:05.18[dmp]and likewise.
12:05.43[dmp]btw, since you guys dont use the mailing anyore, is it allright that i drop it?
12:06.24rooterfine by me... you might want to e-mail everyone and tell them...  if we really need it I'll set one up
12:06.57[dmp]Ok, ill do that
12:07.15rooterTDS hasn't been very active... but calico is coming back more
12:07.23rootersee you dmp
12:08.09[dmp]i know :)
12:08.33[dmp]i never see you around anymore. Anyway, cu, i better get done with this report.
12:09.08rooteri'm always on in the mornings (around 12:30 for you)
12:09.11rooterbye
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12:13.34DaNewBhey Pimpinella, it worked (compiling bzflag), only i cant change the brightness its super dark, why??
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12:16.18DaNewBit's all drak like night when "lightning" is tunred on...?
12:16.25DaNewBdark
12:17.26DaNewBand changing the brightness in the options menu doesnt actualy change the brighness?
12:17.56DaNewBdidnt do that on WinXP or Gentoo, but now im on Fedora
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12:19.22DaNewBAnybody?
12:24.34orchidDaNewB: the brightness in "options" doesnt do anything?
12:26.22DaNewBno!
12:26.33DaNewBdoesnt seem to?
12:26.44DaNewBeverything is dark
12:26.55DaNewBwell not the text, but everything else
12:27.18orchidtry holding the + key down in the game?
12:27.30DaNewBturning lighting off kind of solves it but not really...
12:27.36DaNewBwait ill try that
12:28.32DaNewBnice it worked!
12:28.42DaNewBthanks orchid!
12:28.45orchidnp
12:29.01DaNewBstill wonder why the options menu did not work...
12:29.26DaNewBversion 1.10.6 BTW if you care...
12:29.38orchidthe option thing shoud work though
12:31.42DaNewBim positive it doesnt work for me, but the + key works happily :)
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13:33.23Grumblergod dag alle
13:39.41orchidhello Grumbler
13:39.55orchid& db
13:40.24Grumblermoring Ms. orchid
13:40.39Grumblererr, morning
13:41.32DeathBarrel-Workhi
13:41.41DeathBarrel-Workmorning gang :)
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13:43.00Grumblerguten morgen, herr DeathBarrel-Work, was oben ist
13:44.08GrumblerSie haben kürzlich die gewesene Ruhe
13:44.17Pimpinellawas oben ist?
13:44.26Grumblersky :)
13:44.38Pimpinellaheh
13:44.56Pimpinellaand what is die gewesene Ruhe?
13:45.53GrumblerAntwort Johns nur, die kann.
13:45.58DeathBarrel-Worknicht viel Mann, gerade an der Arbeit etwas Bier trinkend:)
13:47.12DeathBarrel-Workhehe
13:47.50cniVhmmm
13:47.55cniVi'd like to learn german
13:48.10cniVexcept they dont teach that at my school
13:48.11cniVbah
13:48.23Pimpinellaich moechte auch einen Beruf, der es mir erlaubt am Morgen Bier zu trinken
13:48.32DeathBarrel-Worktrezna vf pbby, jul yrnea vg jura lbh unir vobg ?  :)
13:49.04DeathBarrel-Workpimpi: hehe
13:50.12DeathBarrel-WorkIch habe um das Bier gelegen
13:50.48DeathBarrel-Workyo quol
13:51.00Quolhowdy DB
13:51.13DeathBarrel-Workpimpi: i lied about the beer part :)   that is just my ideal job
13:51.22GrumblercniV: they really didnt teach it at my school either.........the "Frau" professor was completely insane.  She liked to talk about WWII everyday during our translations of the Martin Luther Bible.
13:51.45cniVhmmm
13:53.05Grumblershe was fired the year i graduated........for helping students cheat during a state language competenancy test.
13:55.27GrumblerQuol: long time no irc........morning
13:56.32DeathBarrel-Workyes, i have been seeing quol on bz lately :)
14:07.43orchidanyone here have a gentoo linux pc ?
14:07.56orchidcan you do: find /lib/modules/<kernel version>/ -type f -iname '*.o' -or -iname '*.ko'
14:08.26orchidthats form thier docs, and it gives me an error, but works on my Debian laptop
14:09.23Grumblerorchid: (not to distract from the question), but gentoo is really quick, eh
14:09.35orchidwell, i dunno, im installing it now
14:09.39orchidim told it is
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14:10.04Grumblerok, i am curious, i guess(long pause), i can wait
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14:10.16orchidim almost done
14:10.20orchidi will let ya know
14:10.24Grumblerdanke
14:10.49orchidalthough id like a good way to compare it to Debian, its a dual boot Debian/Gentoo pc now
14:10.53orchidhey Q
14:11.09Quolhey orchid and Grumbler :)
14:11.28Quolsorry about not ansering you there Grumbler - dIRC Proxy disconnected on me
14:11.59Grumblernp, stuff happens
14:12.27orchidQuol: you buy gas lately?
14:12.49Quolorchid: ya - I had to mortgage my house to fill up the tank completely - crazy
14:13.14Tartaroswhen you are operator of a game and wanna ban someone, is there a faster way than /playerlist, look at the IP and then /ban
14:13.15Tartaros?
14:13.17orchidthere was aplace in Woodbridge selling it for 97.9L !
14:13.38orchidTartaros: there are "admin" keys
14:13.52Tartaroslike...?
14:13.58orchidTartaros: press "o" then side arrow to scroll through the options
14:14.15Tartarosmka
14:14.18Tartarosy
14:14.58orchidalthough ive found the "ban" option sometimes wont scropp through peoples names, seems to get stuck
14:14.58Grumbler~convert l to g
14:15.17Grumbler~convert litres to gallons
14:15.28Grumbler~convert liters to gallons
14:15.34Quolwell - BBL...
14:15.41orchidcu
14:16.17orchidls -lh Quol's logfile
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14:17.17Grumblerhmm, i guess i am paying .58 cents a liter
14:17.44orchidyou American should go metric, make life simpler you know
14:18.09Grumblerthat it would, but converting all those texan rednecks is difficult
14:18.17orchid:)
14:18.25Tartarosyeah the o  key is nice
14:18.42Tartarosbut I wanted a single command for banning a player by name
14:18.48GrumblerTartaros: use it with care, very easy to ban the wrong person
14:19.10Tartarosuse _what_ with care?
14:19.17orchid"o"
14:19.38GrumblerTartaros: the "o" key..................a single command....like /ban joeplayer  ?
14:21.35Tartaroswell I thought you can only ban by IP
14:21.59orchidtry banning by name, i thought that worked now didnt it
14:22.45Grumbleri thought so too...............i havent banned anyone with a client lately..........
14:22.59Tartaroshmm hmm
14:23.09TartarosI`ll try it later :)
14:23.32Grumblergive it 2 hours.....the devs usually show up for lunch
14:24.02orchiddepending on the menu
14:24.28JBdiGrizOf course, that means they are just waking up and getting to work :)
14:24.42orchid;-)
14:24.58orchidoh the life of a dev
14:25.12Tartaros:P
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14:34.25JBdiGrizIt looks like there is some attempt to add ban by name, but there's a lot of FIXME comments around it.
14:34.36JBdiGrizIt might not be working yet.
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14:39.21Pimpinellais there any interest in woody packages of bzflag?
14:39.43Grumbleroak or teak?
14:39.45orchidbzflag 1.7e4?
14:39.56Pimpinella1.10.6
14:40.04Pimpinellajust made them
14:40.18orchidahh
14:40.21orchidtrepan might
14:40.24Grumbler~dict woody
14:40.25bryjenorchid: that find command looks ok to me.  what's the error?
14:40.53Grumblerok, what does woody refer to?
14:40.58orchidstable
14:41.01bryjentaste?
14:41.03bryjeneww
14:41.10Pimpinellawoody is the current debian stable
14:41.17Grumblerah
14:41.23Grumblerdke
14:41.31Pimpinelladebian 3.0
14:42.03orchidbryjen: it looks like it works now?!
14:42.18orchidbryjen: so false alarm
14:42.27Pimpinellahm, the next stable will be of sarge...
14:43.00bryjenah.  typo rate higher early in the moring? ;)
14:43.15orchidhigher than normal it seems
14:44.45Grumbleronly if a tree falls in the woods and makes a sound
14:46.14GrumblerJBdiGriz: nobody in your office this morning either, eh
14:53.13orangeso is anybody an insider enough in debian to guess when the next stable release will be?
14:54.09Chestalreal soon now :-)
14:54.20orangeyou're *too* far inside if you're saying that :-)
14:54.50Tartaros<PROTECTED>
14:55.00Tartarosat least not on the server I am operator on
14:55.40DeathBarrel-Worktry banning  by ip then
14:55.44DeathBarrel-Work<PROTECTED>
14:55.46DeathBarrel-Workfind ip
14:55.48DeathBarrel-Workthen>>
14:55.56DeathBarrel-Work<PROTECTED>
14:56.07DeathBarrel-Workor /ban ip (# of hours or min)
14:56.43Tartarosyeah I know that way
14:56.53Tartarosbut it`s too slow
14:56.59Tartarosand, well, unelegant :)
14:57.11Tartarosthe playerlist scrolls away and you are doomed :)
14:57.26Noodleman__~whois Tartaros
14:57.29Noodleman__oops
14:57.31Noodleman__:-)
14:57.57orchidheh
14:58.20Chestalit would IMHO make sense that /ban 3  bans the ip of player slot 3
14:58.24orchidTartaros: you can use page-up to recover scrolled text
14:58.41orchidChestal: yep
14:58.43Tartarosyeah,. but still, its bad
14:59.08Tartaroswell I would prefer something like /banname <playernamehere>
15:00.27GrumblerTartaros: assuming you can type some of those long names accurately.........
15:00.38[dmp]tab completion :-)
15:00.40Grumblerhow about a dedicated admin window in the client
15:00.55Tartarosyeah, tab completion would also be nice :)
15:01.30Grumbleryes tab completion would be nice
15:01.40DeathBarrel-Workwas ist falsch? CIA hat Sie, zu viele Bleistifte zu Bleistifte?
15:01.51DeathBarrel-Work-- Arnold
15:02.04Tartaroswhat?
15:02.06Tartaros:)
15:02.16[dmp]i need to find more danish players, so i can do that too
15:02.34[dmp]saying "Hej" til Grumbler isnt enough anymore :)
15:02.42DeathBarrel-Workbut if you ban by name, the player can just change his name and come right back in and continue the same behavior
15:03.29[dmp]not if the server bans the ip of the player
15:03.40DeathBarrel-Workyeah i wish bz did have tab completion :)
15:03.58Noodleman__"Patches welcome" -- TimRiker
15:04.07[dmp]finally. :)
15:04.21DeathBarrel-Workyes i think it would be better just to ban by ip
15:04.36DeathBarrel-WorkNoodleman__, sure i will get right on that :)
15:05.01DeathBarrel-Workyay! Hello World!
15:05.13Tartarosheheh
15:05.59orchid!seen root
15:06.00guuorchid: I have not seen root.
15:06.02[dmp]heh
15:06.04orchid!seen rooter
15:06.04guuorchid: rooter was last seen here 2 hours, 56 minutes, and 54 seconds ago saying: * rooter is away: "The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it." -Abe Simpson
15:06.12Grumblerslĝj [dmp] , altsċ mange spillerne , altsċ fċ indtale jeres sprog
15:06.43[dmp]tab completion, that would be annoying. You would jump if you didnt reassign tab on jumping servers :)
15:06.51DeathBarrel-Workhehe
15:07.03orchidyes, well ~ completion then :)
15:07.06DeathBarrel-Workthat is why we should only allow it on ducati-style :D
15:07.29Grumblerhrm
15:07.33DeathBarrel-Worklol
15:07.45DeathBarrel-Work~ completion would work for me :)
15:08.00[dmp]~ is pretty annoying on danish keyboards.
15:08.11orchidwhy?
15:08.29Grumblerdċrlig dmp , sċ mangfoldige spiller , sċ kun fċ tale din sproget
15:08.31[dmp]altgr+char-at-return+space
15:08.36orchidits in a different place than "normal" kb's?
15:08.51[dmp]yes
15:09.00[dmp]we got 3 extra characters
15:09.24[dmp]{}() etc is badly positioned as well. Its alot easier to code with us keyboards.
15:09.24Grumblerdanish appears to be very rough to translate to.......must be all the pastrys
15:09.30[dmp]:)
15:09.58[dmp]Grumbler: thats better :-)
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15:10.20[dmp]i actually know two tankers which is danish. but thats it
15:12.14Grumbler[dmp]: you need to spread the word...........take out an advertisement
15:12.27[dmp]:)
15:12.48Grumbler"Danish tankers wanted for fun and excitement online"
15:13.24Grumblerhrm, might have to re-word that, you might get a lot of pron
15:15.51[dmp]:)
15:16.52[dmp]At a business college here in my town, someone had some poster aimed at female students, asking them if they wanted to earn money in erotics.
15:17.04[dmp]it started a pretty heated debat :)
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15:21.07Grumbler[dmp]: had something similar at the University of North Carolina, some co-eds were posing for Playboy with the university logo'ed underwear......
15:22.22[dmp]isnt that illegal? The universitys logo is copyrighted, no?
15:23.06[dmp]here, we need to ask permission from the boss to use the logo. And normally its declined.
15:23.08Grumbler[dmp]: that was one of the issues.
15:23.52Grumbler[dmp]: have you run erotic underwear by the boss yet...  :)
15:24.21[dmp]He looks like a goat. He might it eat. I dont want to experience that :-)
15:25.19orchidheh
15:27.34[dmp]Nise grammar, me gots.
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15:48.08DeathBarrel-Workwell if you want erotic underwear, then i got the stuff you need>> http://www.cafeshops.com/hellonwheels.8897442
16:02.57SCbye everyone.  See you in a week
16:03.07orchidcya SportChick
16:03.14orchidvacation?
16:03.19_Manu_bye
16:03.27SportChickfriend's wedding...in D.  I'm a bridesmaid
16:03.29SportChickcya
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16:13.18brlcadhrm.. what's a good common suffix for an [ntg]roff-formatted file?  .t .tr .ms .??
16:25.44Nidhoggr*toing*
16:28.22Nidhoggr.tr is good
16:29.28Nidhoggrit tends to be the most acceptable IMO
16:29.45Nidhoggrnot that i do a lot of *roff stuff.
16:30.09Nidhoggryou could make it .1  !!!!  :)
16:30.24brlcadheh
16:30.29brlcadcould, but it's not a manpage
16:32.05brlcadHrm.. .tr is the top contender so far..
16:45.07Nidhoggr:)
16:51.47orchid!weather Toronto
16:51.49guuorchid: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is 63°F.  Conditions: Mostly Sunny.  Humidity: 55%.  Wind: ESE at 9 mph (14 km/h).
16:53.44orchid!weather Phoenix
16:53.46guuorchid: The current temperature in Phoenix, AZ is 80°F.  Conditions: Mostly Sunny.  Humidity: 22%.  Wind: ESE at 10 mph (16 km/h).
16:53.52orchidgrr
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16:54.43brlcad!tell tupone hello
16:55.02Tuponeyou can tell me directly :)
16:55.18orchid!tell learner tell tupone yourself
16:55.33brlcadguu, hello?
16:55.34guuhiya brlcad!  Good to see you!
16:55.50brlcadhrm.. she didn't tell me .. atta girl
16:56.19brlcadoh, heh, maybe she did tell.. learner
16:57.12Tuponehi brlcad
16:57.34brlcadhi tupone :)
16:58.24Tuponewhere  you were these days ? I missed you :(  Any answer to the slowness on windows ?
16:59.13brlcadI've not heard that there is any resolution yet.. nobody has profiled it, afaik .. and the devs just don't see it I think on their systems
17:03.09bryjenah-hah
17:03.15bryjen!config supybot.plugins.weather.temperatureUnit
17:03.16guubryjen: 'Fahrenheit'
17:03.42brlcadbryjen: don't show her that!?
17:04.09bryjenhehe
17:04.16orchid!config supybot.plugins.weather.temperatureUnit Celsius
17:04.44bryjen!weather 42301
17:04.44orchid!config supybot.plugins.weather.temperatureUnit Celsius
17:04.45guuorchid: okay
17:04.46guubryjen: The current temperature in Owensboro, KY is 26°C.  Conditions: Mostly Cloudy.  Humidity: 71%.  Wind: SSW at 7 mph (11 km/h).
17:04.51orchidhehe
17:04.52orchidyay
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17:05.24brlcad!weather 21005
17:05.25guubrlcad: The current temperature in Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD is 23°C.  Conditions: Rain.  Humidity: 70%.  Wind: NW at 4 mph (6 km/h).
17:05.33brlcadbrr.. chilly
17:06.00bryjen~weather 21005
17:06.07bryjenwhoops
17:06.12brlcad~weather kapg
17:06.41_Manu_playing? :)
17:06.44brlcadsupy's weather could take a hint and display more data
17:06.54bryjenhmm, guu give both m and k ph for wind speed
17:07.12bryjenbut you have to pick a temp unit...
17:08.07brlcadyeah.. that seems silly .  just display both
17:08.36orchidbrlcad: you need tyo know the atmospheric pressure?
17:09.12brlcadoften
17:09.23bryjenmaybe he wants wind speed in knots
17:09.57brlcadactually pressure is good to know for my knees.. high pressure means some pain
17:10.06orchidheh
17:10.14bryjenthen you are your own barometer!
17:10.18orchidlol
17:10.23brlcadseriously
17:11.03Nidhoggrit's going to be hot here today.
17:11.20bryjeni don't think ibot pulls the humidity for owensboro for some reason
17:11.24bryjen~weather kowb
17:11.27brlcadit's only 23 here.. can't be more than 25 or so in cali .. :)
17:12.14Nidhoggr100 (37.7) here today.
17:12.21Nidhoggrthis afternoon.
17:12.34Nidhoggrit's 80ish now.
17:12.42brlcadouchish
17:13.18Grumbler...but its a dry heat ;)
17:13.29Nidhoggrso's a blow torch.
17:13.32Nidhoggr:)
17:14.56_Manu_!weather 08261
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17:17.54_Manu_heh
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17:18.39brlcad_Manu_: ibot wants station codes (like kbwi or klax), guu uses zips and maybe city,state
17:19.30RouninHm
17:19.40_Manu_brlcad: i was writing WMO Index Number
17:19.45RouninSo I just compiled bzflag with --enable-profiling
17:19.48orchid!weather 08261
17:19.52RouninAnd there's no -pg cflag anywhere
17:19.54RouninWhat gives?
17:20.04brlcadWMO ?
17:20.17brlcadoh, nvr mind
17:20.35brlcadRounin: what os?
17:20.37_Manu_Meteorological Station Information Lookup for 08261 -> Caceres - Sppain
17:20.45Rouninbrlcad: Linux...
17:20.47_Manu_...Spain
17:20.57TimRiker!weather kdfw
17:21.04Patlabor221guu weather moorpark, ca
17:21.06guuPatlabor221: The current temperature in Moorpark, CA is 18°C.  Conditions: Mostly Sunny.  Humidity: 60%.  Wind: N at 4 mph (6 km/h).
17:21.27TimRikerhmm. I though guu would take station codes too?
17:21.28TimRiker!weather KDFW
17:21.30Patlabor221no she will not
17:21.41Patlabor221just zip and city/state/provice
17:21.48TimRikerhmm. they resolve to station codes eventualy, no?
17:21.56Patlabor221I don't think so
17:22.00Patlabor221I tihnk it uses weather.com
17:22.03brlcad_Manu_: you'll have to find the alphabetic station code for spain ;)
17:22.06TimRikerahh.
17:22.22Patlabor221hence the less informitive yet easyer to read weather sumary
17:22.32TimRikerand weather.com does the station resolution behind the scenes. ;-)
17:22.38_Manu_brlcad: where can i find it?
17:22.40Patlabor221posibly
17:24.38brlcadRounin: did you run autogen.sh?
17:25.03Rouninbrlcad: No... ./configure --enable-profiling
17:25.23brlcadrun sh autogen.sh
17:25.30RouninYeah OK
17:25.33brlcadthen retry
17:25.43RouninThanks
17:26.27Rouning++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../include   -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -I../../include -Wall -W -mcpu=i686  -O2 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -fno-exceptions -c -o BZDBCache.o `test -f 'BZDBCache.cxx' || echo './'`BZDBCache.cxx
17:26.35RouninHmm, still can't find any profiling options
17:27.26TuponeRounin --enable-debug
17:27.55RouninOh right, thanks
17:28.57brlcad~weather LE06
17:29.13brlcadgrr.  that is an icao code
17:29.23RouninYeah that worked
17:29.25RouninThanks, Tupone
17:29.34_Manu_brlcad: do you mean ICAO Location Indicator?
17:29.41Patlabor221the CIAs dead?
17:29.43brlcad~weather LEGU
17:29.56Grumbler~weather kann
17:30.05brlcad_Manu_: yes
17:30.16brlcadhttp://www.world-airfield-database.ip3.com/airfield%20codes/codes2/Spain.htm
17:30.40brlcadunless that's an old list, those codes should work
17:30.43_Manu_~weather lebz
17:30.48Patlabor221it may not have a sensor there
17:30.55Grumbler~weather kank
17:31.00_Manu_heh... not for Caceres, but Badajoz near :)
17:31.05Grumbler~weather knak
17:32.26_Manu_windows users reports problems about 1.10.6
17:33.52brlcadHere is a great site for finding the ICAO code:  http://www.ivao.org/db/ss/
17:35.03brlcadTimRiker: as the ibot ICAO link is mostly dead/redirected and obfuscated, perhaps she could point to http://www.ivao.org/db/ss/ ?
17:36.44GrumblerNidhoggr: pics from a Mini trip(we caught a convertible bug) :)  http://www.myminifotos.com/pages/4/index.htm
17:37.41brlcadheh, Grumbler  :)
17:41.08RouninHmmm Tupone, it compiled fine, but there's no gmon.out file
17:41.13RouninWhich apparently should be there
17:41.51brlcadRounin: you have to run the app first
17:42.07Rouninbrlcad: ... OOOOOOOOOOH, so that's how it works.
17:42.09RouninThanks again
17:42.15RouninI wonder how fast bzflag will be with debug code.
17:42.16Rounin*Coughs*
17:42.29brlcadthe longer you run, the more samples it will take (theoretically)
17:42.37brlcadthen you run gprof on the bzflag binary
17:42.47RouninMm... Thanks a lot
17:42.55RouninI wanted an excuse to play anyway!
17:43.28RouninAll in the name of science.
17:43.56RouninCan't create window, exiting... Do I need to install it somewhere in particular?
17:45.05bryjenno, it should run from the source tree
17:45.14RouninHm, it can't, though
17:45.20brlcadcan you run xeyes?
17:45.29RouninYeah, and I can run bzflag too
17:45.33RouninJust not this bzflag
17:45.36RouninWith the debug code
17:45.46orchidif i compile with --enable-debug, i get that same "cant create window" error
17:45.58RouninHaha :) So I guess bzflag isn't profiling friendly.
17:46.23bryjenDebug unabled.
17:46.35Rounin:D
17:46.59brlcadRounin: try adding the -directory option to bzflag
17:47.08RouninHmm, -directory what?
17:47.08brlcadshouldn't be the problem, but good for kicks
17:47.16brlcad/path/to/data/dir
17:47.22RouninOh right
17:47.40TimRikerbrlcad: icao link?
17:47.40RouninNah, same error.
17:47.51brlcad~weather blah
17:48.38TimRikerhttp://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml would be better?
17:49.02RouninHang on a minute!
17:49.04brlcadI think those are still limited to u.s.-related
17:49.10Rouninbzflag has had a -view anaglyph version all this time?
17:49.17brlcadTimRiker: This site seems to be much more comprehenseive: http://www.ivao.org/db/ss/
17:49.20RouninWhy wasn't I told? Where did I put my 3D glasses?
17:49.35TimRikerRounin: added in 1.8 and then re-added in 1.10 iirc
17:49.42RouninCool
17:49.52RouninI think I threw my glasses away though. Better get some new ones or sth
17:49.59TimRikerbrlcad: I try to get to TX on yout link and it dies part way through.
17:50.28TimRikerRounin: note that they should be red/cyan not red/blue for full color display.
17:50.46RouninOh, that's gonna be a problem.
17:50.51RouninThough red/green should work I guess
17:51.04TimRikerred/blue works, but not full color.
17:51.15RouninHm, so let me see if I get this straight
17:51.21TimRikernod, same for red/green
17:51.32RouninYou take a red image and a cyan image, and then overlay them on the colored center image, is that it?
17:51.37brlcadTimRiker: TX came right up for me.. hrm
17:51.46RouninAnd the colors are sort of right, because nobody really sees much of blue anyway?
17:51.49TimRikernope. one image is red. the other is green+blue.
17:52.02RouninOoh, okay
17:52.37TimRikerhttp://www.ivao.org/db/na.asp?Type=Country&Id=@2
17:52.41RouninI always wondered why it was exactly those colors, and how the colored center image worked
17:52.58Patlabor221guu weather somewhere, TX
17:53.02RouninMeh, I don't have the goggles
17:53.10RouninAnyone have some colored cellophane?
17:53.24brlcadTimRiker: Oh.. you selected North America.. there's another link for United Stats
17:53.44bryjenPatlabor221: how bouts Nowhere ?
17:53.53brlcadlooks like the entire continent link isn't working or is stale.. all the rest work
17:54.11Patlabor221isn't it all the same in texas ;)
17:54.12TimRikerbrlcad: from http://www.ivao.org/db/ss/Cont_r.asp?Id=2
17:54.46brlcadyeah.. select United States.. NOT "North America"
17:54.52Patlabor221TimRiker,  how do you like texas comared to utah now that you have spend a decent time in both places?
17:55.30brlcadTimRiker: it looks like just that North America link is busted, everything else looks fine
17:58.32TimRikerPatlabor221: hmm. TX is too hot. UT it too dry. ;-) TX has few cold days. UT has few hot days.
17:58.44Patlabor221what one you like better?
17:58.53TimRikerMA ;-)
17:58.55Patlabor221you sould try CA ;)
17:59.09TimRikerCA is to expensive.
17:59.13TimRikerer too..
17:59.15Patlabor221that is true
17:59.36TimRiker100k here == 210k in silicon valley.
18:00.06TimRikertough to fine a 210k+ job in silicon valley I expect.
18:00.12TimRikerer find. sheesh.
18:00.23Patlabor221heh, your geting the me disease
18:00.42RouninLol
18:00.47RouninI just found the best 3D glasses ever
18:00.55RouninWish I could afford buying anything
18:00.58Rouninhttp://www.3dglassesonline.com/plasticanaglph.html
18:05.24RouninHmm
18:05.45RouninThis company is offering to send anyone one free pair, if you send them an envelope with a SASE in it.
18:05.49RouninNot that I have a SASE
18:07.34TimRikerhttp://www.the3dmarket.com/Paper/anaglyphic.asp <- red/cyan in quantities of 50. ;-)
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18:07.50RouninThanks :D
18:07.50TimRikerSASE?
18:07.59RouninYeah, self addressed envelope something-something
18:08.06RouninBasically, you pay the postage
18:08.14TimRikerahh... self addressed stamped envelope.
18:08.19TimRikerwhere is that info?
18:09.05Rouninhttp://www.3dglasses.net/free3dglasses.htm
18:09.21RouninI think it's gonna be hard to get an envelope like that in Scandinavia though :(
18:09.41RouninProlly easier to get some colored cellophane, really
18:12.41RouninHm, if I only had a shitload of American stamps
18:13.29brlcadpurple_cow: is today the day
18:14.01TimRikerhttp://www.spacekids.com/freestuff/
18:14.05purple_cowbrlcad: i believe it is
18:16.25TimRikerhttp://www.3dglassesonline.com/ claims to do it from an email.
18:18.56guuNew news from matches: May 18 03:43 => [HoW] Hell On Wheels:9, The Barbarians:4 || May 17 21:25 => [TeX]:7, Shipmates:1 || May 17 20:26 => The Moles:5, [TeX]:4 || May 16 23:35 => The Barons:16, Jumping Tank:0 || May 16 22:52 => [TLZ] The Legendary ZeeBrothers:7, Vitamin bz:1
18:19.29RouninHm, TimRiker, thanks. No harm in trying! I can handle 100+ spam a day anyway :D
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18:27.56Corvettehi
18:28.03banditohey
18:28.06banditook guys
18:28.09Pimpinellahey corvette
18:28.12Corvettehi
18:28.15banditoi have a question
18:28.21banditoOh pimp
18:28.24Corvetteim like evil lol i need help with our server
18:28.28banditoi need to talk to you
18:28.36banditook
18:28.42banditowell my serv is up finally
18:28.44Corvettecan u un ban me plz:)
18:29.06banditobut well it has a kiking problem
18:29.17Corvettewere at school
18:29.50banditoyah
18:29.52banditook
18:30.02banditowell my server keeps kikin ppl
18:30.10Corvetteanyine else here?
18:30.42bandito~seen Grumbler
18:30.43ibotgrumbler is currently on #bzflag (4h 57m 28s).  Has said a total of 48 messages.  Is idling for 53m 59s
18:30.47lurgymanhmm?
18:30.56Corvettehi
18:30.59banditohey lurgy can u help me
18:31.01lurgymanhello.
18:31.03lurgymanmaybe
18:31.07Corvettehelp plz
18:31.08lurgymandepends how
18:31.17Corvettewith a setrer
18:31.22banditowith my server
18:31.27banditook its runnin good
18:31.33banditocept :) its kikin ppl
18:31.40lurgymanhmm.
18:31.40Corvettea lit
18:31.41banditorandomly
18:31.52banditocept doesn't dare kik me
18:31.54Corvettelol
18:32.02Corvetteor me
18:32.31lurgymanheh
18:32.35Corvettehe ignored me
18:32.38banditoyah annoying hey
18:32.45lurgymanit seems likely to me that they are all pretty laggy
18:32.46banditohey lurgy
18:32.52banditowelll
18:32.55banditohmmm
18:33.03banditowhats a good lag threshold
18:33.03lurgymanand that the server's kicking them for that
18:33.13Corvette300?
18:33.15Grumbler300-400
18:33.15bandito450?
18:33.19lurgymanif you don't care what the lag is, you could probably set it really high
18:33.22banditooh hi grumbler
18:33.22Corvetteyay grum
18:33.26lurgymanand avoid the whole kicking thing
18:33.27banditocool
18:33.29Grumblerwhats up
18:33.34banditonot much and u
18:33.35Corvettenvm u
18:33.35Pimpinellabandito and Corvette: im back
18:33.40banditocool
18:33.42Corvettehi
18:33.51Pimpinellawhat hav i to do?
18:34.00Corvettebart explae
18:34.05banditowell u can help me with a kikin prob on my server
18:34.08Corvetteexplane*
18:34.16Pimpinellatell me
18:34.30CorvetteBart= bandito if anyone cares
18:34.46banditoyes
18:34.46Corvettejeese wat evr
18:34.49banditowhat can i tell you
18:35.06Corvettehey is chestal there?
18:35.11Pimpinellaabout ur kickin prob
18:35.24banditoyah
18:35.40Pimpinellaso what is ur problem ? ;)
18:35.48Corvetteumm it keeps kikin ppl
18:35.58banditowell it kiks ppl and then doesn't let em in
18:36.06banditoand i checked my banlist
18:36.10banditono ban
18:36.19Corvettewe need somone with very high expertise like u
18:36.21Corvette:)
18:36.23Pimpinellakick for what reason?
18:36.28Corvettewe dunno
18:36.29banditowell that i dono
18:36.32banditoit wont kik me
18:36.34Corvetteor me
18:36.43Pimpinellahmm
18:36.50banditooh i have an idea
18:37.00banditook what is the diagnostic setting
18:37.11Pimpinella-d
18:37.12banditolike -d -d -d
18:37.20banditook where i put it though
18:37.26Corvettelol
18:37.31Pimpinellathe more -d s the more logging
18:37.36Corvetteoh
18:37.45Corvetteinteresting thx
18:37.50banditohow many can i put
18:38.07Pimpinella6 i guess
18:38.17Corvetteonly 6?
18:38.18Pimpinellabut 2 might be enough
18:38.22CorvetteOH OK
18:38.42Corvettesry caps
18:38.56banditocool
18:39.04banditoall in one long line
18:40.34Corvetteok now it says i was kiked becasue i joined rouge
18:40.51Corvetteand i was kiked when i tryed to identify
18:41.01brlcadThere are only 4 debug levels
18:41.03Corvetteany help? pimp?
18:41.05Pimpinellakick can be for lag, speed
18:41.13Corvettenhmmmmmmmmm
18:41.20banditospeed?
18:41.22Pimpinellabrlcad: oh, ic
18:41.22Corvettehey wasnt it u who kikedme?
18:41.27CorvetteOR BANNED I MEEN
18:41.32Corvettesrycao
18:41.38Corvettesorry caps
18:41.56banditowhat do u mean speed kick
18:42.17banditoi have it set for 150
18:42.17brlcadCorvette: explain
18:42.19Corvettewhat explane?
18:42.31Pimpinellabandito: if ur tank drive faster as it should u get kicked
18:42.43Pimpinellabandito: cheat prevention
18:42.45Corvettehow fast is it usualy
18:42.48banditohmm well how does it hap[pen
18:42.50Corvette??
18:42.53banditook
18:42.58banditoso only way is cheat
18:43.02Pimpinelladefault is 25, but u can adjust
18:43.23Corvettehw\ey brlcad can u unban me on my other comp plz:)
18:43.25bandito25?
18:43.33brlcadCorvette, if you are who I think you are, then no.
18:43.49brlcadI don't take well to lies
18:43.49Pimpinella25 = default speed
18:43.51Corvette:( please il be good
18:44.02CorvetteI WAS BEING TRUE HONESLY
18:44.02banditook
18:44.02brlcadI warned you that day several times
18:44.16Corvettemy dad was on and got all pissed off at me
18:44.49Pimpinellabandito: whats the log message when u get kicked in an attemt to identify?
18:45.00Corvetteyes
18:45.14Corvettei got kiked when i tried to identify
18:45.19banditowell i never have gotten kiked personally
18:45.24Pimpinellawhats the log message...
18:45.30Corvetteummmmmm
18:45.32Pimpinellaah, ic
18:45.37Corvetteu do:)
18:45.47brlcadCorvette: first your mom now your dad?
18:45.58Corvetteit wasnt my dad before
18:46.15Corvettei meen
18:46.16Corvettelol
18:46.33Corvetteit was*
18:46.52Corvetteh well wat evr
18:46.54Pimpinellawell, i have no idea, u should log into a file for a while and when a kick occurs u can see what happened
18:47.02Corvetteok
18:47.38Pimpinellahowever, u should log always, anyway...
18:47.43Corvetteok
18:47.46Corvettebrb
18:47.51Pimpinellabbl
18:48.35RouninTimRiker: I sent a politely phrased plea too :D
18:49.57Corvetteback
18:50.07banditohow do i log
18:50.33banditoanyoone here know?
18:50.37Corvettewell we gotta go soon lunch break is almost over
18:53.12Corvettebye all
18:53.26banditohow do i log
18:53.28bandito????
18:53.32brlcadlog what?
18:53.41banditowell my server is kikin ppl
18:53.56banditoand i figure if i log i can figure out why
18:54.09brlcadhow are you running your server?
18:54.10banditoso i can see why
18:54.23banditooff my comp
18:54.27banditoat home
18:54.35brlcadthat's nice, but what's the command you use
18:54.52banditoi use a .bat
18:55.10brlcadso on windows with a script is how you run it (to answer my question)
18:55.20banditoyah :)
18:55.27brlcadyou'll need to add -d -d -d to the script
18:55.39brlcadthen it will output to the console
18:55.42banditoto the .bat or script right?
18:55.56bryjenin Windows a .bat file is a script
18:56.01banditook
18:56.09banditothanks for confirming that
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18:56.18banditook
18:56.20bryjenopen it with notepad and add the -d 's to the bzfs line
18:56.31banditowell i will have to do that when i get home
18:56.51brlcadindeed
18:57.24banditoso basically after the line for bzfs
18:57.35Nidhoggrhuh, what's this about?  configure: WARNING: bzAdmin build has been requested, but GL is not fully availa
18:57.35Nidhoggrble
18:57.35Nidhoggr... disabling bzAdmin generation
18:57.47banditoset BZFSPROGRAM="C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.4\bzfs.exe"
18:57.56banditoand then -d -d
18:58.02bryjenerrr
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18:58.04Nidhoggrwhy would bzadmin need GL? that was the point of bzadmin in the first place.
18:58.09trepanNidhoggr: i hear that the Player class still needs some GL
18:58.30trepanNidhoggr: or a class like it, one of the ones that bzadmin uses
18:58.43Nidhoggrthen I can't build bzadmin on my non-gl server. that is not good. this is first time I've gotten this.
18:58.45bryjenGUI-ness stuck to other parts of the code that bzadmin uses
18:59.23orchidNidhoggr: i couldnt either
18:59.30brlcadbandito: no
18:59.32orangeme either, fwiw
18:59.41brlcaderr
18:59.45orange(not that I cared... I personally run bzadmin elsewhere :-)
18:59.53Nidhoggrnah.  I'm just gunna steam for a while and use my old code.
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19:00.07brlcadyay, CIA
19:00.35bryjen;)
19:00.52NidhoggrI've been really calm for a while, but for some reason, this really is annoying me.
19:01.07trepanserenity now, serenity now, ...
19:01.10brlcadNidhoggr: yeah, known problem.. bzadmin initially needed code that was in the client (since it acts like a client).  that code was unfortunately intertwined with some graphics stuff
19:01.13bryjenhmm, seems the lid is slipping off...
19:01.47Nidhoggrso if I build without --disable-client, it should work?
19:01.59trepanbrlcad: is it a _lot_ of code?
19:02.59NidhoggrI mean, it shouldn't attempt to build bzadmin if I do a --disable-client, if not having the client will cause the build to fail.
19:03.00brlcadtrepan: actually, not really ..
19:03.44NidhoggrI had to patch with larsl's new master/slave code so I can run 2 servers with the same userbase.
19:03.49brlcadNidhoggr: it might cause the build to fail for bzadmin, but disable-client is meant to only disable bzflag
19:04.12orangeNidhoggr: you have all the cool patches... where is that one?
19:04.18brlcadbzadmin's failing is a separate "bug"
19:04.22Nidhoggrit's on SF now
19:04.40bryjenremoving --disable-client won't help,  it'll just cause it to fail sooner when it can't file GL compiling the client
19:04.49bryjens/file/find/
19:06.44Nidhoggrwell, I have gl on my other machine.  trying to build there with --disable-client still makes bzadmin fail.  if I do full build, bzadmin builds.
19:07.21orangeNidhoggr: what request id for that patch?  I can't ever find any of these :-(
19:07.34Nidhoggrhang on....
19:07.58Nidhoggrhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=3248&atid=568975&file_id=87681&aid=813977
19:09.13brlcadnow that src/game is in place, it should be a lot easier to separate out the PlayerLink into src/game
19:09.23brlcadand decouple it from the graphics
19:12.48orangeNidhoggr: thanks... was that under patches?  I don't want to bug you, but if I don't learn how to find it myself I'm doomed to always asking :-)
19:14.30Grumblerorange: welcome to my world, its small, dark and slightly musty................but we have some good mushrooms
19:14.48orangelol
19:15.06Nidhoggrorange, larsl sent me the link himself.
19:15.29orangeah, ok, because that sucker is NOT listed in the patches section :-)
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19:15.52NidhoggrI noticed. :)
19:15.58bryjen"Enhancements / Tweaks"
19:16.04brlcadhrm..
19:16.10orangebryjen: thanks, I just found that too
19:16.32brlcadbryjen: link?
19:16.39Nidhoggrhrm. I'm needing lunch soon.  maybe that's why I am slightly on the grouchy side.
19:16.40bryjenAka purple_cow  "Lame Patches Dumpster"
19:16.50orangehttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=568975&group_id=3248&func=browse
19:16.53orange(is what I used)
19:16.54brlcadEnhancements / Tweaks are intended for things that cannot be applied
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19:17.25Grumblerif they cant be applied, can they really be considered an enhancement or a tweak?
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19:17.57brlcadGrumbler: I didn't name it :)
19:18.02NidhoggrI applied to mine.  not sure why that one can't be applied.
19:18.04brlcadhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3248
19:18.05bryjenbrlcad:  it was against 1.7 until recently
19:18.11Nidhoggrah.
19:18.16Nidhoggrthat's right.
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19:18.25brlcadbryjen: that's not a reason for it to be in there.. hrm
19:18.33brlcadwhich is it?
19:19.08bryjenlarsl just updated it to 1.10 today
19:19.09brlcadheh, I've applied various things in there that were also in patches.. hrm
19:19.11guuNew news from matches: May 18 03:43 => [HoW] Hell On Wheels:9, The Barbarians:4 || May 17 21:25 => [TeX]:7, Shipmates:1 || May 17 20:26 => The Moles:5, [TeX]:4 || May 16 23:35 => The Barons:16, Jumping Tank:0 || May 16 22:52 => [TLZ] The Legendary ZeeBrothers:7, Vitamin bz:1
19:19.18brlcadlarsl's around?!
19:19.32bryjen~seen larsl
19:19.37ibotlarsl <~larsl@c213-100-50-18.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 4d 17m 19s ago, saying: 'This is with designer 3.1.'.
19:19.37brlcadwhere's that bugger been hiding?
19:19.37Nidhoggrhe's on irc, just not in here.
19:19.56NidhoggrI /msg'd him yesterday and he fixed the patch and /msg'd me today.
19:20.00brlcadAh, I see how it is.. pffft
19:20.28brlcadwhere's the updated patch?  that slave.patch download the latest?
19:21.31brlcadI see that it is, nvr mind
19:21.48brlcadtoo late, already scrolled myself
19:22.03bryjenouch ;)
19:23.21NidhoggrI really think those patches would have been good to incorporate, especially for those of us running more than 1 server with the same userbase.
19:23.33orangethat patch rocks
19:23.39orangeI haven't used it, but the description of it rocks :-)
19:23.40brlcadwell, probably .. if someone had even knew about it..
19:23.49brlcadit's moved over to patches now
19:23.54brlcadmaybe mac'll pick it up
19:23.59Nidhoggrthis thing can be a big mess sometimes. :(
19:24.25bryjendiscussion on user databases always leads into the karma/central server grand design and gets stuck there.
19:24.27orangenew rule, when you are looking for a bzfs patch, ask Nidhoggr  :-)
19:24.41orangehe may not write them, but he's seen them all
19:25.39orangeis anybody running a 1.10.6 server in full production, in a highly visible public place?
19:26.00Nidhoggrkarma seems to be a sort of priority, but I also think that a user database can start with basics, and have the karma added as we go.
19:26.01Grumblerdefine "highly visible"
19:26.26orangeGrumbler: well, regularly used
19:26.32Nidhoggrorange, secretplace is running 1.10.6 right now. :5255)
19:26.37Grumblersecretplace
19:26.43orangeI'm considering switching mine, but my server is for matches only, and I don't want matches to have any issues
19:26.45Grumblererr, yeah, what he said
19:27.01Nidhoggrhaven't seen problems yet.
19:27.12orangecool deal, I'll probably switch tonight
19:27.14Grumblerhave been hearing issues about the windows clients
19:27.21Grumblernot sure if they are real or not
19:27.31NidhoggrI'm going to switch 5777 over today after I get the patch in and the conf file fixed.
19:27.37bryjenNah, Windows is just a myth
19:28.31Nidhoggrby the way.. word of advice... do not go to las vegas if you are allergic to cigarette smoke.
19:28.36NidhoggrI'm still recovering.
19:28.46orangehah... there are nonsmoking casinos still, right?
19:29.03Nidhoggrnone of the ones I went to.
19:29.06Patlabor221wow that's a lot of text for just an hour
19:29.16Nidhoggrpat?
19:29.29Patlabor221just reading back :)
19:29.31Nidhoggrah
19:29.31Nidhoggrheh
19:29.38orangeand did you hear about that city in... hmmm, minnesota, I think.  They banned smoking and immediately saw a 40% reduction in heart-related emergency room visits... the law was overturned after a year, and the rate went right back up to where it was... all blamed on secondhand smoke
19:29.52Nidhoggrreally? wow.
19:29.55bryjenthe long stretch of four one-sylable word line the kids use
19:29.59NidhoggrI get nosebleeds with smoke.
19:30.01orangevery scary stuff
19:31.20bryjenI'm getting old or something..
19:31.45Patlabor221http://tarnutz.home.mindspring.com/HaydenJedi.jpg
19:32.36Nidhoggrbryjen, welcome to the club.  you'll have your senior discount card and aarp membership in no time!
19:32.54NidhoggrI'm still 8 years from senior discounts.
19:33.38bryjenI take it back.
19:33.51Nidhoggr:)
19:35.56NidhoggrI like my 40s.  
19:36.05orchidthats not old
19:36.10Nidhoggrnope.
19:36.19Nidhoggr50 gets you senior discount though.
19:36.20Nidhoggr:)
19:36.26orchiddoes it?
19:36.28Nidhoggryep
19:36.42orchidheh
19:36.44Nidhoggrmy friend Jorge was all excited on his 50th.
19:36.47orchidsomething to look forward too
19:36.50Nidhoggr:)
19:37.23Grumblerbryjen: using "the kids" is not a sign of getting old..........using "those damn kids" or "those little shizt" is
19:37.36*** mode/#bzflag [+b *!42f4cb*@procyon.noodleroni.com] by Patlabor221
19:37.41brlcadPatlabor221: what's that supposedly fromm?
19:37.51Patlabor221the DVD
19:37.52Nidhoggrwhy are we banning noodles?
19:37.57Nidhoggrdid I miss something?
19:38.03bryjencgi irc
19:38.05Patlabor221banditio had been banned before
19:38.09Nidhoggrah.
19:38.20Patlabor221and noodlee made it so that the first part is there IP in hex
19:38.27Patlabor221so we can do per user stuff
19:38.29brlcadas had Corvette, but I was feeling clement
19:38.31Nidhoggrcool
19:38.45Patlabor221I didn't see corvette's ip in my scrollback
19:38.47brlcadapparently Patlabor221 wasn't feeling quite as clement :)
19:38.49bryjen~dict clement
19:39.15Patlabor221brlcad they are "fixing" the older star wars eps for the DVD release in the fall
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19:39.25brlcadPatlabor221: he used noodle cgi irc as well
19:39.31Patlabor221I gathered
19:39.38Patlabor221but what was the hex in front of his name?
19:39.44Patlabor221sorry the host
19:39.59brlcad~seen Corvette
19:40.02ibotcorvette <~42f4cbcd@procyon.noodleroni.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 46m 50s ago, saying: 'bye all'.
19:40.20Patlabor221same subnet
19:40.30Patlabor221same IP
19:40.35Patlabor221so same ban
19:40.45bryjenNATty
19:40.56Patlabor221probably same guy
19:41.06brlcadschool
19:41.13Patlabor221posibly
19:41.33Nidhoggr~secret7
19:41.40Nidhoggrcool.
19:43.42Nidhoggryay! the patch works. :)
19:44.49Patlabor221secret7 sounds like a band of super villians
19:45.01Nidhoggrit is
19:45.02Nidhoggr;)
19:45.20Nidhoggroff to lunch. back soon.
19:45.23Patlabor221then you will be no match for justice fruit pies!
19:47.38RouninLol
19:47.45RouninI've got the word "bzflag" on highlight
19:53.12richeroscompiled bzflag on xorg with "./configure --prefix=/usr --x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include --x-libraries=/usr/X11R6/include && make && make install" but I dont get the app "bzflag" -  only bzfgrep,bzfrelay and bzfs. Can it be that there are som missing deps?
19:53.46Patlabor221did your configure tell you it was skiping the client cus it can't find openGL ?
19:54.43richeroshow to tell? I wasnt looking at the configure output...
19:55.06richerosis there a log?
19:55.07Patlabor221run configure again and see what says
19:55.10richerosok
19:55.19Patlabor221it just puts it in the term
19:55.44bryjenthere's a  config.log too
19:56.18richerosk
19:56.27brlcadricheros: you'll need the mesa-gl dev libraries too
19:57.15richerosthis is what I get:
19:57.16richerosconfigure: WARNING: adns seems to not be available on your system.  See http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/adns/ if you want to be able to use hostmask based bans.
19:57.16richeroschecking for working ncurses... yes
19:57.16richerosconfigure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available
19:57.16richeros<PROTECTED>
19:57.29Patlabor221you need some GL
19:57.36Patlabor221like the mesa brlcad
19:57.39Patlabor221mentioned
19:58.21richerosoh, is there something like this included in xfree86? i didnt have this problem with xfree86
19:58.23RouninMesa think yousa Patlabor221!
19:58.43Patlabor221whody whats it?
19:58.50brlcadricheros: mesa is separate from xfree86
19:58.58RouninPatlabor221: Yousa think some people gonna die?
19:58.59bryjenxfree86 4.x comes with mesa/dri
19:59.05brlcadyou'll need to install the developer mesa libraries if you like to compile
19:59.12richerosi have dri enabled here now
19:59.20Rounin=D
19:59.23richerosk
19:59.25brlcadbut probably not the mesa developer libs
19:59.32brlcador the headers
19:59.39RouninHm... Mesa is pretty clever though... OpenGL software rendering
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20:00.12RouninI wonder if rendering will be all software some time in the future, similar to MPEG 2 decoding
20:00.55Chestalit is all software already, just runs on a specialzied processor :-)
20:00.59Patlabor221some cards do mpeg in hardware
20:01.04Patlabor221at least assist
20:01.04RouninHmm, true :}
20:01.17richerosis there a package to recomend?
20:02.13JoeHHello all
20:02.50brlcadhello
20:03.48JoeHeveryone ok?
20:03.56brlcadnope
20:04.24JoeHI see, any idea of the cause... Hehe
20:04.32Patlabor221gas
20:04.57JoeHYour in the U.S?
20:05.31trepanyou saying all american are flatulent?
20:05.42blast007lol
20:05.57JoeHNo, Just Gas isn't how you would say it in the UK...
20:06.22Patlabor221they have comast in the UK?
20:06.37JoeHsay again?
20:07.03Patlabor221I'm sure I'd be very efficent
20:08.35JoeHno on running
20:08.40JoeHXP SP2 RC1 is there?
20:11.07Patlabor221huh?
20:12.06JoeHWindows XP Service Pack 2 Release Candidate 1
20:12.30Patlabor221the majority of those here do not run windows
20:12.39orchidis SP2 out now?
20:12.45JoeHRC1 is
20:12.47JoeHhttp://download.microsoft.com/download/5/a/f/5aff45ae-ef27-4821-b666-d2b6530cbe4f/xpsp2.exe
20:13.11Patlabor221why would you want to run a beta for a patch
20:13.21JoeHI have Gentoo on my other machine... XP on this one though
20:13.36JoeHBecause its microsoft... and there software never works
20:14.01JoeHTook them 12 weeks to add 1 protocol to MSN, what do you expect?
20:14.20Patlabor221then why do you run it?
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20:14.40JoeHWindows?
20:14.57Patlabor221any of it
20:15.00JoeHI only run it on one of my machines... and only because there are compatibillity issues with Linux.
20:16.54JoeHHowever well Linux runs, its never going to have the same sort of compatabillity as windows is it?
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20:17.26Patlabor221proably depends how much work people put into it
20:17.41Patlabor221I don't see it as ever having consitency of interface
20:17.46Patlabor221tho it has a lot of power
20:17.58JoeHI've ran Gentoo for a while now
20:18.06Patlabor221I hear it is slick
20:18.23JoeHA bitch to install
20:19.09JoeHYou learn alot from it though, its worth running
20:20.02orchidlinux is more compatble with more OS's than windows no?
20:20.34JoeHMaybe so, but windows has like 80% of the market
20:20.41orchidor you mean windows-comaptable
20:21.09JoeHWell most software is developed for windows, so without running emulators, Linux doesnt have support.
20:21.33bryjens/software/commercial software/
20:22.08JoeHYes... Computign is never going to be free, Nothing is free.... Including Linux... You pay for it somewhere along the line.
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20:22.46amathisyay! I took my last final exam today! woo hoo... done for the year.
20:22.54JoeHEasy?
20:23.32purple_cowwowie, the siggraph submission process is smooth
20:24.47bryjeng'afternoon, purple_cow
20:25.06RouninYeah, I wouldn't be so sure the majority of all software is for Windows either
20:25.06JoeHIf Linux is going to take off, It will be when microsoft implement that TCG shit good and propper.
20:25.13purple_cowTCG?
20:25.28JoeHTrusted COmputing Group.... NGSCB more to the point
20:25.37JoeHMS think they have found a way t stamp out piracy
20:25.41Rouninpalladium eh
20:25.44JoeHYeh
20:25.53JoeHNGSCB now - Next Generation Secure Computing Base
20:25.55purple_cowbleh
20:25.58Rouninlol
20:26.08purple_cowit's a nice little double-edged sword, but your average user doesn't care about such things
20:26.10JoeHthey got sued
20:26.15JoeHPalldioum is copyrighted to someone else
20:26.20Rouninoh :)
20:26.21JoeHPalladium*
20:26.30JoeHso they renamed it...
20:26.54bryjendetla
20:27.16JoeHThe new linux kernel is supposed to support it though, although as far as I understand its optional.
20:27.32Rouninbleh
20:28.04JoeHwww.against-tcpa.com
20:28.14JoeHwrong one
20:28.16JoeHwait there
20:28.31JoeHhttp://www.againsttcpa.com/
20:28.52purple_cownothing supports it yet because the hardware doesn't exist, generally
20:29.30JoeHAh.. but it does.
20:29.46JoeHWindows XP implements it...
20:30.01JoeHIf you have Mozilla, Take a look at the plugins... Media Player uses it as well.
20:30.30JoeHIBM already sells first desktops and notebooks with integrated TPM.
20:30.41JoeHsorry for writiting it 2 times
20:30.43JoeHLaggy
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20:48.03guuNew news from bzgirl: Gentoo || bbq || blog || 24C || new computer || the parents || celeron || sony store || 5am geek || this girl drives a passat || windows 2000 || driving mishap || bz/irc || rainbow
20:48.09guuNew news from matches: May 18 03:43 => [HoW] Hell On Wheels:9, The Barbarians:4 || May 17 21:25 => [TeX]:7, Shipmates:1 || May 17 20:26 => The Moles:5, [TeX]:4 || May 16 23:35 => The Barons:16, Jumping Tank:0 || May 16 22:52 => [TLZ] The Legendary ZeeBrothers:7, Vitamin bz:1
20:48.12Patlabor221welcome back guu
21:13.45Patlabor221how can I live with out this?
21:13.46Patlabor221http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/6279/
21:16.14amathishaha
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21:23.31trepandoes the SDL build work on Macs?
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21:34.58Tuponetrepan: yeas it was
21:38.22amathishi jacques
21:43.54trepanTupone: thx
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21:49.21*** mode/#bzflag [+b *!cdceed*@procyon.noodleroni.com] by Patlabor221
21:49.23trepananyone else tried -solo in a rabbit game?
21:49.24banditohey
21:49.32Patlabor221you were baned from here
21:49.41banditome?
21:49.45Patlabor221yes
21:49.51banditono i wasn't
21:49.55Patlabor221yes you were
21:49.56banditothat was corvette
21:50.00Patlabor221both of you were
21:50.03banditoand i am not corvette
21:50.08banditowhat why
21:50.14banditowhat did i do
21:50.14Patlabor221if you says so
21:50.21Patlabor221anoying gitnees
21:50.31Patlabor221and the lying
21:52.17bryjenlooks like the wildcard isn't quit right
21:52.29Patlabor221his IP changes
21:52.53bryjenthat last one didn't have any effect
21:53.20Patlabor221I didn't kick
21:53.22Patlabor221just ban
21:53.54bryjenah, it just stops new joins then?
21:54.04Patlabor221yes
21:57.51banditook all
21:57.54banditoi was here
21:58.36banditoabout 3 hours ago talkin to someone about how to get diagnostic mode log server whatever you call it
21:59.06Patlabor221on the server?
21:59.10Patlabor221just do -d -d -d -d
21:59.20banditook but in the conf or where?
21:59.30Patlabor221usualy in the command line
21:59.36Patlabor221but you could put it in the conf if you wanted
21:59.41banditook
21:59.47Patlabor221read the help
21:59.57banditook
22:00.51trepanbots are borked in rabbit mode, or is it just me?
22:01.09TimRikerhttp://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=bzflag 1.10.6 built for all platforms on debian.
22:01.28Patlabor221trepan, what bots? roger or -solo?
22:02.02trepan-solo, mentionned about a page ago
22:02.12Patlabor221dono
22:02.24Patlabor221I did a roger a couple of days ago and it seemed to work
22:02.44trepantrying to finish testing that silly replay thing, and need to see if the designated rabbit state is being maintained
22:03.05Patlabor221would be easy if it was explicid wouldn't it be ?:)
22:04.13trepanyes, yes, authoritative is good   :)
22:04.22trepanbut i ain't working with that
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22:08.56Banditoyay
22:09.13Patlabor221there ya go
22:09.20Patlabor221welcome to the real world
22:09.25Banditocan u tell that i am in a real client
22:09.32Patlabor221yes
22:09.34Banditohow
22:09.38Patlabor221couple ways
22:09.42Patlabor221a full host mask
22:09.49Banditoi c
22:09.51Patlabor221and your version responce
22:10.20Patlabor221VERSION xchat 2.0.8c Windows 5.1 [i1586/1.69GHz]
22:10.31Banditowow
22:10.34Banditointeresting
22:10.37Banditohmm
22:10.40Patlabor221cellyron 1.7?
22:10.43Banditook good
22:10.50Banditono Pentium 4
22:10.55Patlabor221oh I'm sorry
22:11.00Bandito1.7 ghz
22:11.07Patlabor221I know
22:11.30trepanit's probably PlayerInfo.cxx canBeRabbit()
22:12.46Banditowell my prob is when i put the -d's in the command line it goes immediatly to like pause
22:13.49Patlabor221any errors?
22:13.57Banditowell lemme check
22:14.52Banditowell one prob
22:15.12Banditowhen i put in the -d's it doesn't pik up the conf
22:15.28Patlabor221what is your full command line for the server exe?
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22:15.57Banditowell its a .bat
22:16.00Patlabor221so
22:16.05Patlabor221still has a command line
22:16.09Bandito@echo off
22:16.09Banditoset BZFSPROGRAM="C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.6\bzfs.exe"
22:16.09Banditoset CONFIGFILE="C:\bzserv\Server.conf" -d -d -d -d
22:16.09BanditoREM ***** Don't change anything below this line! *****
22:16.09Bandito@echo on
22:16.09Patlabor221what are the paramaters?
22:16.10BanditoZFSPROGRAM% -conf ONFIGFILE%
22:16.12Banditopause
22:16.14Patlabor221good lord
22:16.19Banditoright there
22:16.19Patlabor221that is nasty
22:16.21Patlabor221who made that
22:16.22Patlabor221?
22:16.37Banditowww.bzflag.org/wiki/sample batch
22:16.38Patlabor221cus you put it in the wrong spot
22:16.50Patlabor221ZFSPROGRAM% -conf ONFIGFILE% -d -d -d
22:16.57BanditoOH
22:16.57Patlabor221you put it at the end of the config
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22:17.09Patlabor221you should learn how to use your command line by hand
22:17.47Banditook so now it is in diagnostic?
22:17.58Patlabor221it's just debug output
22:18.06Patlabor221it'll dump out to the terminal more info
22:18.09Bandito@echo off
22:18.10Banditoset BZFSPROGRAM="C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.6\bzfs.exe"
22:18.10Banditoset CONFIGFILE="C:\bzserv\Server.conf"
22:18.10BanditoREM ***** Don't change anything below this line! *****
22:18.10Bandito@echo on
22:18.11BanditoZFSPROGRAM% -conf ONFIGFILE% -d -d -d -d
22:18.12Patlabor221like when it connects to the list server
22:18.13Banditopause
22:18.23Patlabor221you want it to log too?
22:18.24Banditoyah so now when it kills someone it will tell me why
22:18.33Patlabor221it may
22:18.39Patlabor221depends on what happens
22:18.58Banditowell so far there are no actual diff's when i open the window
22:19.05Patlabor221have somone connect
22:19.09Patlabor221it should show more info
22:19.28Banditoi just connected and nope
22:19.29Patlabor221hence why it's good idea to learn how to use the CLI by hand and not trust bat files ;)
22:19.43Patlabor221then your bat is wrong
22:19.51Patlabor221it's not ONFIGFILE
22:19.53Patlabor221it's CONFIGFILE
22:20.16Banditohmm thats what it says in the actual bat
22:20.22brlcadit should output immediately if it is correct .. say something about private or local server etc
22:20.25Patlabor221and your missing a B
22:20.25Banditowhen i put it in here it doesn't like me
22:20.34brlcad%CONFIGFILE%
22:20.40Patlabor221and
22:21.00Patlabor221or just run it from a simple bat
22:21.20Banditoits not coughing at all
22:21.37Banditoaka not tellin me nything
22:21.38Patlabor221open a text file, and put this in it; C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.6\bzfs.exe -d -d -d -d -conf C:\bzserv\Server.conf
22:21.41brlcadBandito, you can just add the -d's to the c:\bzserv\Server.conf file also -- that's probably where you want it anyways
22:21.44Patlabor221then rename it something.bat
22:21.48Banditowell anything more than it used too
22:21.53trepancan someone explain the ObserverTeam part in PlayerInfo.cxx / line 403 ?
22:22.01trepanfor the canBeRabbit() function
22:22.13Patlabor221it should not allow observers to be rabbits
22:22.24trepan!= -> == ?
22:22.53trepanif (paused || notResponding || (team != ObserverTeam))
22:22.54trepan<PROTECTED>
22:23.10Patlabor221hmm != dosn't seem right
22:23.16trepanthat's what i thought
22:23.22Patlabor221I would thinkit would be ==
22:23.26trepanseems to work when it's changed to ==
22:23.29brlcadyeah, looks like it
22:23.32trepan(for bots at least)
22:23.35Patlabor221yay for testing!
22:23.43Banditowell turns out i already had it in there
22:23.48trepanheaven forbid, don't want to start a trend
22:24.07Banditohmmmm
22:24.18Patlabor221bandidto try that simple command line
22:24.21Patlabor221not that complex thing you have
22:24.23trepanbrlcad: :)
22:24.27Patlabor221I don't think it's loading your config
22:25.42Patlabor221I didn't say to do it in a comand prompt
22:25.49Patlabor221I said make a simple bat file with that line
22:26.11Banditoim gonna do it in command for a try
22:26.13amathisBandito, make a .bat out of this    C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.6\bzfs.exe -d -d -d -d -conf C:\bzserv\Server.conf
22:26.27amathisthat is what he meant.
22:26.36Patlabor221what is the point of asking questions if you don't do what people sugest?
22:26.51Banditooh
22:27.03Banditook sry pat amathis makes more sesne
22:27.27amathisBandito, I said the exact same as he
22:27.28amathis<Patlabor221> open a text file, and put this in it; C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.6\bzfs.exe -d -d -d -d -conf C:\bzserv\Server.conf
22:27.29Patlabor221make a text file, put "THIS" in it, and rename it didn't make sense?
22:27.34CIA-4BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/PlayerInfo.cxx: change a little logic
22:28.08amathis... DNS condiguration is really making me mad...
22:28.13amathis*configuration
22:29.03trepan[][][asdf
22:29.06trepankillall -9 bzdev
22:29.13amathisumm. :-)
22:29.15amathiswrong window?
22:29.24Patlabor221heh
22:29.26trepanack...
22:29.34amathisdarnit! we shoulda waited for a 'su'!
22:29.37amathis:D
22:29.39trepanbzflag is losing the window focus
22:29.43Patlabor221he probably sudos
22:30.39trepanPatlabor221: nope, don't trust myself, i type it in
22:30.47Patlabor221heh
22:31.05amathistrepan, you could always alias commands.
22:31.21amathisbut, that would be easy for a user to obtain root
22:31.23trepanamathis: like:  alias RM='rm -rf /'
22:31.28amathisyes
22:31.28trepanno thx
22:31.42amathistrepan, I do it for the cvs build on bzflag.
22:31.48amathisall I have to type is bzget
22:32.07Banditonope
22:32.09Patlabor221all I have to do is right click and hit update
22:32.10Banditodont work
22:32.16Patlabor221Bandito, errors?
22:32.17trepani have plenty of command alias, but none of them dangerous
22:32.17Patlabor221what?
22:32.26Banditounfortunately no
22:32.33Patlabor221what OS you on?
22:32.40Banditono errors XP
22:32.49Patlabor221open the start menu
22:32.52Patlabor221go to run
22:32.54Patlabor221type CMD
22:33.04Patlabor221hit enter
22:33.04Banditokk
22:33.12Patlabor221type CD  C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.6\
22:33.14Patlabor221hit enter
22:33.32Patlabor221type bzfs.exe -d -d -d -d -conf C:\bzserv\Server.conf
22:33.35Patlabor221hit enter
22:33.45Patlabor221that will leave the error up if there is one
22:34.03Banditook
22:34.16amathisBandito, JUST 'CD  C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.6\'
22:34.25amathisand JUST 'bzfs.exe -d -d -d -d -conf C:\bzserv\Server.conf'
22:34.30amathisnot 'type %bzfs.exe -d -d -d -d -conf C:\bzserv\Server.conf'
22:34.33Patlabor221yeah don't type
22:34.35Patlabor221the type
22:34.57Patlabor221tho if you can't get that then maybe runing a server is not your forte ;)
22:35.07amathis:-)
22:35.34amathisspeaking  of servers... I need to get back to editing zones in my /etc/named.conf file.. :-/
22:35.52Banditook
22:35.59amathisBandito, what did it say?
22:36.01Banditoumm what happens
22:36.01Patlabor221what did it do?
22:36.10Patlabor221did it run a server?
22:36.15BanditoERROR: World File Not Specified
22:36.27Patlabor221what is the world line in your config?
22:36.58Banditoummm
22:37.01amathisBandito, open your C:\bzserv\Server.conf file in a text editor
22:37.15Bandito-world "hix.bzw"
22:37.19Banditoi kno
22:37.22Patlabor221you need a full path to that
22:37.26Patlabor221where is the file located?
22:37.27Banditook
22:37.34Banditosame place as the conf
22:37.43amathis...
22:37.47amathisthat does not make sense
22:37.53amathisit should find it then
22:37.55Patlabor221the put it as c:\bzserv\hix.bzw
22:38.06Patlabor221no amathis the working dir is not set to that dir
22:38.08Banditoi did
22:38.13Patlabor221so it needs a full path
22:38.13amathisPatlabor221, oh.
22:38.18Banditoand yay it ran
22:38.29Patlabor221then your done
22:38.29Banditonow to test
22:38.33trepanwoohoo, rabbit logging is a go, time for an undue celebratory pepsi
22:38.43Patlabor221did it put out extra info
22:38.52Banditono
22:38.54Banditobad
22:38.57Banditobad bz
22:39.28amathisBandito, why do you not just open the game and hit start server? it would prolly be easier
22:39.48Banditoyah but this is gonna be a full time server with great maps etc
22:39.59amathisBandito, what is your connection type?
22:40.09Banditot/1 equiv
22:40.22Patlabor221no it's not a T1 so stop saying it is
22:40.24amathisadsl feeding you bull again?
22:40.26Patlabor221it's a DSL
22:40.34amathiser dsl...
22:40.38Patlabor221you have 1.5 down but not 1.5 up
22:40.49Banditoexactly
22:40.55Banditowhat he said
22:40.57Patlabor221so it is NOT a t1
22:41.10Patlabor221and your ping kinda sucks
22:41.12Patlabor2211000ms
22:41.17amathisBandito, don't try to pull one on Patlabor221 he is cunning as a badger.
22:41.22amathis:D
22:41.38Banditoheh 1000ms well that may be because i dont like pings at all
22:41.55Banditoand is also running swerver
22:42.00Patlabor221go here and run the line test
22:42.00Patlabor221http://lax.speakeasy.net/
22:42.08Patlabor221still if you can't ping in a sec
22:42.08trepanPatlabor221: isn't the A in ADSL for asymmetric, 1.5 up and down would be DSL?
22:42.27Patlabor221US Dsls that are symetric run max 1.1
22:42.34Patlabor221and those are bucks
22:42.48trepanbut diff up and down implies asymmetry to me
22:42.53trepan.. just semantics?
22:42.53Patlabor221yeah
22:43.00Patlabor221most DSLs are aysymetrical
22:43.09Patlabor221they jsut often drop the A cus it's so common
22:43.31Patlabor221that test will tell what is line is aprox
22:43.31trepanhow to take a nice acronym and botch it...
22:43.38Patlabor2214 is too long
22:43.49Patlabor221we like 3 letter acronyms :)
22:44.07Patlabor221IDE, CPU, RAM etc...
22:44.29trepanPatlabor221: you're talking to an ee, you wouldn't believe how many useless 3 letter acronyms i've got stored away
22:44.41Patlabor221ohh I didn't say they were all usefull
22:44.50Patlabor221the human brain seems to like 3 tho :)
22:44.57Patlabor221ADSL just dosn't fit :)
22:45.08Patlabor221and ADS is just silly
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22:45.23Banditoback
22:45.27Patlabor221we know
22:45.33Patlabor221Bandito (Bandito@d205-206-237-148.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #bzflag
22:45.37Banditowell 750/501
22:45.45Banditooh
22:45.47Patlabor221that is less then 1/2 a T1
22:45.55Patlabor221decent upstream tho
22:46.36Banditou know i am depressed
22:46.36Patlabor221that's about 1/7th my downstream at home
22:46.36Banditoit promised it being telus 1000 down
22:46.36Patlabor221welcome to the real world
22:46.36Patlabor221it probalby is 1 meg down
22:46.36Banditoi shall call them and get mad
22:46.36Patlabor221overhead and stuff
22:46.38Patlabor221trafic
22:46.42Patlabor221you were going to LA
22:46.43Banditooh yes
22:46.50Patlabor221but still even 1 meg is not T1
22:46.52Banditowell my oh my thats a long way
22:46.53Patlabor221T1 is 1.5 megs
22:47.11Patlabor221your probably 1 meg down 608 up
22:47.25Bandito~7*750
22:47.27ibot5250
22:47.32Banditowow really
22:47.33Patlabor221I get 6 megs down
22:47.37Patlabor221608 up
22:47.38Banditoyikes
22:47.49Banditohehehe only 608 up
22:47.52Banditohahahaha
22:48.00Banditobut i mean 6megs down
22:48.01Patlabor221most systems don't need more up
22:48.03Patlabor221sure
22:48.16Banditoi mean that is rediculous
22:48.22Patlabor221no it's not
22:48.29Banditoyah it is
22:48.32Patlabor221why?
22:48.37Banditoits crazy
22:48.41Patlabor221no it's not
22:48.49Patlabor221not even close to a T3
22:48.50Banditoi thought 1 meg down would always be sufficient
22:49.03Banditowhat would t/3 be at
22:49.07Patlabor221then you thought wrong
22:49.09Patlabor22145 megabits
22:49.15trepanit's the up the matters for bzfs
22:49.16Banditoholy cow
22:49.25Bandito:) i got that
22:49.30amathisBandito, I don't think ppl will like your server if it is laggy
22:49.39Banditoit shouldn't be
22:49.42amathisat least I would not.
22:49.48amathisBandito, well, I would make sure
22:49.52Patlabor221a dsl in canda proisbly
22:49.57trepanBandito: limit the number of players if it is
22:50.05Patlabor221on a little P4 that probaly is running SDRAM
22:50.10Patlabor221poor gimped little p4
22:50.12amathisBandito, is it ctf league style or FFA?
22:50.20Banditoctf
22:50.21amathisor rabbit?
22:50.24amathisleague?
22:50.29Banditono not really
22:50.36Banditooh yes
22:50.46Banditosorry didn't understand question
22:50.52amathisok, that might be ok
22:50.54Patlabor221then why say yes :)
22:51.05Banditocause i wasn't sure
22:51.14amathisthen say "I am not sure amathis"
22:51.15Banditoand my hands had already typed yes
22:51.27amathisBandito, wars are started that way :-)
22:51.28trepanidle hands are the devil's playground
22:51.29Patlabor221best to read before you hit enter
22:51.40Banditoyes i guess
22:51.45amathisespecially if you do a .msg nickserv identify
22:51.51Patlabor221no guess, be sure, be decisive
22:52.05Patlabor221amathis, that's why you make it a startup script
22:52.13Bandito:) that would be bad
22:52.21amathisPatlabor221, I did.,. but I was registering new nicks.
22:52.36Patlabor221pick on and stick with it :)
22:52.47Patlabor221one ! on
22:52.53Banditoamathis used to be who now
22:53.06amathisBandito, the infamous bunny abroad
22:53.10Patlabor221he can't make up his money
22:53.12amathisa.k.a pyrobunny
22:53.16Banditooh yes
22:53.35Banditohey ctf league u cant have rogue can u?
22:53.44Patlabor221depeneds on your setings
22:53.49amathisBandito, no
22:53.53Banditowell maybe thats the prob
22:54.00amathisPatlabor221, not if it is standard league style
22:54.09Patlabor221amathis, but it's not a hard seting in the server
22:54.14Patlabor221it's just a convention
22:54.20Patlabor221Bandito, it would not make the server not work
22:54.24Patlabor221it would just piss of people
22:54.28amathisPatlabor221, oh, well he said league... and ppl don't wanna polay league with rogues
22:54.32amathisexactly :-)
22:54.36Banditook
22:54.43Patlabor221what league amathis? there are 3
22:54.55Banditosoo when there are like 6-7 numbers like 4,4,4,4,4,6 which is rogue
22:55.03Patlabor221there are 5
22:55.06Patlabor221the last is rouge
22:55.07Banditooh
22:55.09Bandito:)
22:55.15Patlabor221r,g,b,p,r
22:55.17Patlabor221IIRC
22:56.03orchidobserver also
22:56.11Banditowhen it says using speed autokick tolerance 150 whats it mean
22:56.11Patlabor221ohh yeah
22:56.18Patlabor221is it after?
22:56.42Patlabor221it means that it will kick somone if they are that much faster then the max speed
23:01.59Banditook
23:02.03Banditohmm
23:02.08Banditowhats the normal speed
23:02.42Patlabor221depends on what flag you have and what your settings are
23:02.46Patlabor22125ish I think
23:02.52Banditook
23:03.06Banditothen thats no prob at all
23:03.16Banditowell do you think it could be a glitch in my map
23:03.26Patlabor221try a random map and find out
23:03.45Banditowell problem is it kiks everyone but me
23:03.47Bandito:)
23:04.31Patlabor221does it give a message?
23:04.31Patlabor221and have you tryed with a simple config?
23:04.31Banditono says server forced a disconnect
23:04.31Patlabor221like one that does JUST public
23:04.31Patlabor221no users or registration?
23:04.49Banditowell im gonna let it run awhile
23:04.54Banditomaybe u could visit it
23:05.04Patlabor221not from work here
23:05.11Bandito~ping bandito.servegame.com
23:05.14ibotpong bandito.servegame.com
23:05.27Banditohmm how do u get speed
23:05.31Patlabor221use the bot in private for stuff like that
23:05.48Patlabor221it dosn't really do stuff like that
23:05.53Banditooh ok
23:06.01Banditocan u ping and tell me
23:06.08Banditobandito.servegame.com
23:06.40Patlabor221100ms ish
23:06.52bandito_awaythanks
23:10.18orchid!dict brandon
23:10.20guuorchid: gazetteer: Brandon, CO Zip code(s): 81026 Brandon, FL (CDP, FIPS 8150) Location: 27.92945 N, 82.29151 W Population (1990): 57985 (22493 housing units) Area: 75.3 sq km (land), 1.5 sq km (water) Zip code(s): 33510, 33511 Brandon, IA (city, FIPS 8155) Location: 42.31402 N, 92.00241 W Population (1990): 320 (137 housing units) Area: 0.8 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water) (3 more messages)
23:12.02Patlabor221she can do that?!!!
23:12.11purple_cowwhee
23:12.25orchid!more
23:12.26guuorchid: Zip code(s): 52210 Brandon, MN (city, FIPS 7336) Location: 45.96542 N, 95.59695 W Population (1990): 441 (217 housing units) Area: 0.8 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water) Zip code(s): 56315 Brandon, MS (city, FIPS 8300) Location: 32.28047 N, 90.00384 W Population (1990): 11077 (4010 housing units) Area: 30.6 sq km (land), 0.2 sq km (water) Zip code(s): 39042 Brandon, SD (2 more messages)
23:12.32orchidi gess so
23:12.53Patlabor221guu continues to kick ass
23:12.54guuDamn right I do!
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23:15.29CIA-4navi-misc: 03jeffm * r4318 10firestarter/ (3 files in 3 dirs): simple message utils
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23:40.20bandito_away!dict Calgary
23:40.22guubandito_away: wn: Calgary n : the largest city in southern Alberta; an oil and gas center and a technology center for Alberta and most of western Canada
23:40.33bandito_awaywow
23:41.48bandito!dict edmonton
23:41.49guubandito: wn and gazetteer responded: wn: Edmonton n : the capital of the province of Alberta; gazetteer: Edmonton, KY (city, FIPS 23968) Location: 36.98289 N, 85.62043 W Population (1990): 1477 (669 housing units) Area: 7.5 sq km (land), 0.1 sq km (water)
23:42.13banditohmm cool
23:43.12banditoargh and the kiking continues
23:44.20banditoit kiked me
23:44.24banditome!
23:44.27banditoomg
23:45.08*** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@82.84.121.61)
23:47.01banditohttp://www.bzflag.org/wiki/SampleBatchFile needs update
23:47.15bandito@echo off
23:47.15banditoset BZFSPROGRAM="C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.4\bzfs.exe"
23:47.15banditoset CONFIGFILE="C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.4\data\bzfs.conf"
23:47.15banditoREM ***** Don't change anything below this line! *****
23:47.15bandito@echo on
23:47.15banditoZFSPROGRAM% -conf ONFIGFILE%
23:47.17banditopause
23:47.24banditothat is wrong
23:47.51bandito@echo off
23:47.51banditoset BZFSPROGRAM="C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.6\bzfs.exe"
23:47.51banditoset CONFIGFILE="C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.10.6\data\bzfs.conf"
23:47.51banditoREM ***** Don't change anything below this line! *****
23:47.51bandito@echo on
23:47.51banditoZFSPROGRAM% -conf ONFIGFILE%
23:47.53banditopause
23:47.55banditothat is right
23:48.11banditooops
23:48.24amathisplease bandito use #flood for that crap
23:48.36banditook
23:51.31banditolol trepan
23:52.02bandito:O guys
23:52.11banditoi made a breakthrough
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23:54.25banditook well current ersion 1.10.6 will not respond to the command -d -d -d -d or any other -d's but
23:54.37banditoversion 1.10.4 does
23:54.45banditoso it is a problem with the versions
23:54.50brlcadhrm
23:54.54banditojust lettin yah know
23:55.01banditoincase yah wanna fix it
23:55.48brlcadhrm.. call me dubious if I doubt you
23:56.05banditowhy u think i am wrong
23:56.05brlcadwhere is your 1.10.6 bzfs on your filesystem?
23:56.18brlcadfull path
23:56.30banditoumm c:\program files\BZFlag1.10.6

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