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| 01:08.02 | sgk284 | hey guys |
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| 01:51.39 | trepan | ~seen larsl |
| 01:51.42 | ibot | larsl <~larsl@c213-100-50-18.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 22d 2h 53m 38s ago, saying: '|Fo|Ns: You can set language in kcontrol.'. |
| 01:52.09 | trepan | guess he won't be helping me with bzadmin tonight |
| 02:13.51 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/bzadmin.cxx: don't quit bzadmin automatically if there are commands as arguments |
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| 02:35.10 | menotume | HTF match anyone ? |
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| 04:39.19 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CaptureReplay.cxx bzfs.cxx): record real MsgAddPlayers, but properly ordered. works nicely now |
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| 04:49.29 | mebigfatguy | doh |
| 04:50.55 | trepan | works much better when it replays back MsgPlayerAdd, go figure :) |
| 04:51.15 | mebigfatguy | an important point, no doubt |
| 05:09.27 | Pimpinella | mebigfatguy: did u add the -handicap mode? |
| 05:12.15 | Pimpinella | there is still a bug, players with negative score get kicked for driving too fast |
| 05:12.48 | PrezKennedy | sounds like the interstate for some reason |
| 05:13.43 | Pimpinella | tried to fix this, but im neither really involved in c++ nor bzfs code |
| 05:17.54 | PrezKennedy | well id bug learner if i were you |
| 05:17.56 | PrezKennedy | hes a genius |
| 05:17.57 | PrezKennedy | ;-) |
| 05:18.57 | trepan | Pimpinella, you want to create the client version of their handicap value on the server, or just disable checks when handicap mode is enabled? |
| 05:19.04 | trepan | s/create/recreate |
| 05:19.26 | Pimpinella | however i really like the feature and would like to do more testing on it. Since the problem is not new (came up last with agility, iirc) maybe its not that hard to fix |
| 05:19.55 | Pimpinella | dunno |
| 05:20.21 | Pimpinella | disable server checks would be quick and dirty, but should work |
| 05:21.16 | Pimpinella | however maybe ppl feel it would be too dirty? |
| 05:21.31 | Pimpinella | gt run cu l8r |
| 05:21.58 | trepan | ciao |
| 05:34.20 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/TODO: note about server kicks due to -handicap |
| 06:13.07 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): bumped BZ_REV, initialized msg[][] values in NetHandler |
| 06:15.11 | trepan | no more logs that send my character set into la la land |
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| 07:47.04 | Pimpinella | hey o-zongo-o |
| 07:47.12 | o-zongo-o | hola pimpi! |
| 07:47.25 | Pimpinella | had a nice weekend? |
| 07:47.32 | {zongo} | well fine thx |
| 07:47.41 | {zongo} | im trying a better nick :) |
| 07:48.06 | {zongo} | lol |
| 07:48.19 | {zongo} | cheater!! |
| 07:48.23 | [zongo] | :) |
| 07:48.41 | {zongo} | lol |
| 07:48.45 | {zongo} | better |
| 07:49.27 | [zongo] | hehe lol |
| 07:49.38 | [zongo] | :) |
| 07:50.27 | |zongo| | i prefer this one :) |
| 07:50.36 | Pimpinella | like it too |
| 07:50.52 | |zongo| | had u a nice we? |
| 07:51.05 | Pimpinella | kinda |
| 07:51.11 | Pimpinella | much work |
| 07:51.15 | |zongo| | did u play? :) |
| 07:51.18 | |zongo| | i c that |
| 07:51.19 | Pimpinella | few |
| 07:51.29 | |zongo| | r there dub during we? |
| 07:51.59 | |zongo| | ...hum...sry pimpi i gotta run... |
| 07:52.06 | |zongo| | cya soon |
| 07:52.28 | Pimpinella | i set up a server for viper and have to deal with teenie admins now :( |
| 07:52.34 | Pimpinella | k cya |
| 07:52.36 | |zongo| | oh |
| 07:52.48 | |zongo| | cya l8r |
| 07:52.54 | Pimpinella | :) |
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| 08:26.26 | bomber | moin |
| 08:28.32 | trepan | hello |
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| 09:56.41 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CaptureReplay.cxx CaptureReplay.h bzfs.cxx): box replay files in a dir, saving hidding packets for user2user messages |
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| 10:38.06 | trepan | Pimpinella: thx again for helping test feature |
| 10:38.40 | Pimpinella | i got segfault just after i entered, 2 seconds later i think |
| 10:38.51 | Pimpinella | np |
| 10:39.44 | trepan | i'm might have an idea what that was |
| 10:40.26 | trepan | 2 seconds after you entered the server, or 2 secs after you entered the game? |
| 10:40.56 | Pimpinella | the server |
| 10:41.40 | trepan | was it just as you enetered the game? |
| 10:42.07 | Pimpinella | no, just aftzer i entered the replay server |
| 10:43.05 | trepan | oh right, you can't enter a game as observer |
| 10:43.15 | trepan | it's almost sleep time :) |
| 10:43.47 | Pimpinella | i will rebuild with --enable-debug |
| 10:44.15 | trepan | that'd be handy, maybe we could try again tomorrow |
| 10:44.26 | Pimpinella | k |
| 10:44.44 | trepan | seeya |
| 10:44.48 | Pimpinella | :) |
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| 12:15.03 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: only send /clientquery responses from those playing |
| 12:16.25 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: capture '/' commands and MsgAdminInfo as hidden packets |
| 12:17.30 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CaptureReplay.cxx: make the capture directory work on Windows (hopefully) |
| 12:18.36 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx: register some more bzadmin keywords |
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| 12:58.23 | lkcl | new map on open.hands.com |
| 12:58.37 | lkcl | 100mb/sec link. |
| 12:58.57 | lkcl | anyone got any more maps they want to run on a high speed link? |
| 13:02.03 | Pimpinella | heh |
| 13:02.19 | Pimpinella | how much traffic do u have? |
| 13:02.29 | Pimpinella | must be much |
| 13:10.47 | Chestal | ducati had about 13GB total traffic in April |
| 13:25.28 | lkcl | just started it up. at full whack bzfs will only take up 1% of the available bandwidth, so we don't really care! |
| 13:36.43 | Pimpinella | i think secretplace must have traffic of about 150-180 g a month |
| 13:40.42 | thrag | good grief. |
| 13:44.58 | thrag | open.hands.com is the debian uk ftp / http mirror, hence it sits on a 100mbps which is connected direct to telehouse's gigabit link. the way out via pipex to the US is restricted to 5mbps, though. |
| 13:49.08 | Pimpinella | shouldnt be a problem then :) |
| 13:53.17 | thrag | good game yesterday evening: got a critical mass of people together. but it was running over my ADSL link to my home server, then. when i quit, the DNS lookups caused by me viewing alternate servers made my ADSL box go AWOL, and everyone got kicked off :) f/w's been opened on open.hands.com since then. |
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| 14:58.05 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: dodge added some time ago |
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| 15:17.58 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 15:18.12 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 15:21.46 | FredCods | hum |
| 15:24.56 | FredCods | is it really logical to count bzadmin in the player count ? (this is a problem when sorting server by player list, since bzadmin count as one (there is actually no player on bzflag3.tuxee.net.)) |
| 15:25.27 | FredCods | (as always, please pardon my poor english :/) |
| 15:27.00 | FredCods | probably a stupid question anyway |
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| 15:32.52 | Grumbler | not a stupid question, but in reality, i dont think the bz list should ever count observers when created a sorted list......but it does |
| 15:33.25 | FredCods | yes.. exactly |
| 15:34.21 | Grumbler | it would be nice if it ignored robots as well. :) |
| 15:36.55 | FredCods | just curious, is there any graph (mrtg/rrd or something else) with global player count or server count somewhere ? I always wonder when there is the most player at the same time |
| 15:37.40 | FredCods | s/at the same time// |
| 15:40.29 | Grumbler | tim riker used to have something, hmmm, now where is it |
| 15:44.02 | Grumbler | well, i am unable to find it now....ask tim when he gets in...... Nidhoggr may also know where it is. |
| 15:44.56 | FredCods | ok |
| 15:46.59 | bryjen | http://list.bzflag.org/ |
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| 15:50.37 | Grumbler | well, i guess bryjen might know as well. |
| 15:53.31 | FredCods | oh, nice :) |
| 15:54.05 | FredCods | thx for the link |
| 15:54.30 | FredCods | is the site official ? |
| 15:56.24 | FredCods | ah.. listed on wiki/OtherLinks |
| 15:56.25 | FredCods | 'k |
| 15:56.32 | bryjen | Its something TimRiker put together |
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| 16:04.09 | bryjen | some of those maximum numbers sound a bit high. |
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| 16:27.52 | FredCods | it is only a average between 1 and 2 players by server |
| 16:28.19 | FredCods | not so high |
| 16:39.44 | bryjen | click on the first graph or goto http://list.bzflag.org/bzflag.html, the weekly max is 239, the yearly 361 |
| 16:41.08 | bryjen | averaging players per server is misleading. its normally the first 10 or so servers (the first page in the clients list) that have all the players, and there are many pages of empty servers |
| 16:48.44 | FredCods | i wonder what make them unpopular too :) |
| 16:49.07 | FredCods | my map is probably too weird to be interesting |
| 16:49.16 | Grumbler | unpopular is easier to say then popular |
| 16:49.30 | FredCods | sure |
| 16:49.32 | Nidhoggr | popular = lots of shots on a fast network... which isn't my favorite. |
| 16:50.19 | Grumbler | FredCods: try getting a few friends together and play a couple days in a row for several hours |
| 16:50.30 | Nidhoggr | I can put up other maps with fewer shots, and they don't do nearly as well. |
| 16:51.25 | Grumbler | FredCods: also try posting in bzbb about the map/server, people there will pop in a check it out. |
| 16:52.16 | Pimpinella | Nidhoggr: i asked myself bout the monthly traffic on scretplace |
| 16:52.25 | Pimpinella | etimated 150-180 G |
| 16:52.42 | FredCods | i already mentionned the script used to generate the map on bzbb. It is right that lot of people were curious for some days, but no this is server that is reached by mystake :) |
| 16:52.53 | FredCods | s/no/now/ |
| 16:52.56 | Pimpinella | s/asked myself/wondered |
| 16:53.09 | Grumbler | FredCods: is this the python generated world? |
| 16:53.14 | FredCods | yes |
| 16:53.33 | Grumbler | actually i have played that quite a bit lately......... |
| 16:54.15 | Grumbler | maybe your only getting us old people. :0 |
| 16:54.21 | Grumbler | err, :) |
| 16:54.29 | FredCods | :) |
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| 16:55.23 | Grumbler | i like it, the only improvement i can think of, is doubling the size...............so i dont get killed by rico so easily |
| 16:56.10 | FredCods | i tried 4x4 instead of 3x3.. but the map become too "heavy"(?) and CPU can handle the world |
| 16:56.18 | FredCods | s/can/can't/ |
| 16:56.40 | FredCods | or you mean scaling the world ? |
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| 16:56.48 | Grumbler | the client cpu or the server cpu |
| 16:57.03 | FredCods | server is near 0%.. client is near 200% ;) |
| 16:57.23 | Grumbler | ahh, yes, scaling, keeping the structure as is, but increasing the empty space |
| 16:57.27 | FredCods | xp 2400 + gf4200 (under linux) are not enouch :( |
| 16:57.42 | bryjen | too many object over works the clients cpu, sorting out things for drawing. world object don't affect the server |
| 16:58.12 | Tupone | talink about bzflag client ? |
| 16:58.20 | Tupone | talking :) |
| 16:58.30 | FredCods | 600 objects seems to be the limit before slowning down drawing |
| 16:58.31 | bryjen | Tupone: yes |
| 16:58.44 | FredCods | (on my configuration) |
| 16:58.45 | Tupone | so 100 % is normal |
| 16:58.55 | Tupone | there is no wait |
| 16:59.00 | FredCods | indeed |
| 16:59.32 | FredCods | isn't shadow doubling the point in the world ? |
| 16:59.39 | Grumbler | FredCods: depending on the options set in your client, yes 600 is one limit..........my 3.2GHz, nv5950 starts to die around over 1500 |
| 16:59.43 | FredCods | i mean, 2 more points to rotate |
| 17:00.13 | FredCods | err.. not '2 more points'.. double of points |
| 17:00.42 | Grumbler | bryjen: had to get some advantage when i play you |
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| 17:00.56 | bryjen | hehe |
| 17:00.59 | FredCods | btw, i bought the GF only for bzflag.. :) |
| 17:02.03 | FredCods | i think that for most people, ~500 objects is already high |
| 17:03.19 | Grumbler | FredCods: let me check the bzbb forum, i asked a few questions about that awhile ago |
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| 17:05.39 | Grumbler | here is one, where the block size is more significant then block count, which points the finger at large textures i guess http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1227&highlight=object+count |
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| 17:06.39 | Grumbler | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1090&highlight=object+count |
| 17:07.26 | Grumbler | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=977&highlight=object+count |
| 17:09.11 | Grumbler | thats a good sampling of the search. |
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| 17:10.27 | Grumbler | speaking of which.........time to check the firestarter |
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| 17:16.16 | brlcad | hi Chestal |
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| 17:16.38 | brlcad | howdy Tupone |
| 17:16.47 | Chestal | hi learned one |
| 17:17.09 | Tupone | hey brlcad |
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| 17:19.38 | Grumbler | uh oh, Chestal is here |
| 17:19.42 | Grumbler | !invisibles |
| 17:19.51 | Grumbler | ~invisibles |
| 17:19.54 | ibot | [invisibles] at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 17:19.58 | Chestal | I'm having a hard time with those |
| 17:21.33 | Grumbler | yep, my little grey cells are baffled |
| 17:22.29 | Chestal | got 4/8 right now |
| 17:36.06 | FredCods | Grumbler: ok, i will look at the URL |
| 17:36.43 | Grumbler | FredCods: nothing earth shattering in those links, just more background info from Mr. Patlabor221 |
| 17:37.41 | Patlabor221 | I have a background? |
| 17:38.02 | Grumbler | according to Interpol, yes |
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| 17:40.42 | bandito | ANYONE HOME? |
| 17:40.47 | bandito | I NEED HELP SOMEONE |
| 17:40.53 | Grumbler | beverly is busy |
| 17:40.58 | bandito | <-------NEEDS HELP |
| 17:41.27 | Grumbler | state your problem |
| 17:41.43 | bandito | <------IS MAKING A SERVER |
| 17:42.07 | bandito | <--------NEEDS HELP |
| 17:42.08 | Patlabor221 | perhaps if you calmly stated your probem |
| 17:42.12 | Patlabor221 | in not all caps |
| 17:42.49 | Patlabor221 | what problems are you having starting a server? |
| 17:43.03 | bandito | <-----says ok well i made a conf and a map and everything and well now it appears in public list but i cant get into it it says communication error joining server |
| 17:43.16 | bandito | <------whew that was a big breath |
| 17:43.26 | Patlabor221 | you can stop with the <----- |
| 17:43.29 | Patlabor221 | we know when you speak |
| 17:43.32 | bandito | :) ok |
| 17:43.47 | bandito | can u help me :) |
| 17:43.53 | Patlabor221 | what version of the game? |
| 17:44.10 | bandito | umm 1.10.4 or somethin |
| 17:44.16 | bandito | the newest 1 |
| 17:44.26 | Grumbler | .....are you running the client on the same machine as the server.......linux or windows..........behinda firewall or not |
| 17:44.29 | Patlabor221 | you have UDP set up |
| 17:44.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah all that? |
| 17:44.57 | bandito | how do i set up UDP if u mean having it enabled in the conf yes i do |
| 17:45.22 | bandito | and running client on smae comp as server |
| 17:45.27 | bandito | nope no firewall |
| 17:45.33 | Patlabor221 | then it should work |
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| 17:46.04 | bandito | hmmmmm |
| 17:46.06 | Grumbler | what is the name of the server? |
| 17:46.13 | bandito | welll can u try finding it? |
| 17:46.20 | bandito | ok ill tell u |
| 17:46.51 | bandito | ok umm it has a descripion of we support enforcers |
| 17:47.08 | Grumbler | just the ip and port would be fine |
| 17:47.11 | Patlabor221 | what does it show up in the list server as? |
| 17:47.26 | Patlabor221 | did you set a public address? |
| 17:47.47 | bandito | and its an IP address like 137.186.200.41 port 5156 |
| 17:48.04 | bandito | yah its public addr |
| 17:48.47 | Grumbler | ~bzfquery 137.186.200.41:5156 |
| 17:49.02 | Patlabor221 | looks like it conects ok |
| 17:49.13 | bandito | WOW really u can get on? |
| 17:49.15 | Grumbler | bandito: on your client try using localhost, instead of the ip |
| 17:49.30 | bandito | what do u mean localhost? |
| 17:49.39 | Patlabor221 | for the address |
| 17:49.57 | bandito | how? |
| 17:50.03 | bryjen | i got to it, but my client locked up :( |
| 17:50.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah someting is odd with that one |
| 17:50.26 | Patlabor221 | did you patch or mod the server at all? |
| 17:50.33 | bandito | i got in |
| 17:50.34 | bandito | nope |
| 17:50.52 | Patlabor221 | are you behind a router or other DSL/cable modem sharing device? |
| 17:51.45 | bandito | nope |
| 17:51.54 | Patlabor221 | something is screwing up the packets |
| 17:52.01 | Patlabor221 | what ISP are you on? |
| 17:52.06 | bandito | Telus |
| 17:52.19 | bandito | hmm i got in but then it terminated |
| 17:52.26 | Patlabor221 | do they have any active policys that limit what data you can listen for? |
| 17:52.44 | bandito | not sure |
| 17:52.56 | bandito | but i have a q can any of u try hosting it? |
| 17:53.08 | bandito | if i send everything |
| 17:53.18 | bandito | via e-mail or somethin |
| 17:55.08 | Grumbler | bandito: if its just a map, post it on bzbb, or PM me on bzbb, i will post it tonight.........if not earlier |
| 17:56.01 | bandito | its a server |
| 17:56.26 | Grumbler | then send the map and the conf file. |
| 17:56.40 | bandito | ok and u will post it? |
| 17:56.45 | bandito | will i be able to admin |
| 17:57.39 | bandito | i wanna make a server that is my goal |
| 17:57.43 | bandito | a server that i run |
| 17:58.56 | bandito | is nyone there |
| 17:58.58 | bandito | ??? |
| 17:59.17 | Grumbler | sry, stepping in and out |
| 18:00.14 | Grumbler | i can give you the admin pass for your particular map.........but i can not host it forever.........but if you are still qweaking things, and want to run it for 3-4 days, i can help there |
| 18:00.28 | Patlabor221 | bandito, what OS you run? |
| 18:01.01 | Patlabor221 | what the heck is a queak :) |
| 18:04.02 | Grumbler | a quick, tweak :) |
| 18:04.11 | bryjen | methinks the server said linux-gnu |
| 18:04.28 | bandito | hey sry im back |
| 18:04.45 | bandito | i run XP |
| 18:06.08 | bandito | yes i am still tweaking things |
| 18:06.08 | bandito | i just need it up and i wanna look at some stuff |
| 18:06.08 | bandito | and go back make some changes see how ppl like it |
| 18:06.08 | bandito | i just need it hosted for like 3-4 days |
| 18:06.28 | Grumbler | then PM me(on bzbb) the information, and i will host it for 3-4 days |
| 18:06.30 | bryjen | err, hmm. maybe it was _my_ _client_ that said that... |
| 18:06.31 | Patlabor221 | methinks bryjen is wrong :) |
| 18:06.35 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 18:07.18 | Grumbler | wrong?, bryjen?, no say it aint so....................well, his skills have been slipping as of late. |
| 18:08.58 | bandito | are u Grumbler on Bzbb |
| 18:09.02 | Grumbler | yes |
| 18:09.24 | Grumbler | For I Am the Grumbler! (trumpets sound in the background) |
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| 18:13.01 | bandito | ok i sent it tell me how it goes |
| 18:14.34 | bandito | :) |
| 18:15.12 | bandito | is ny1 here? |
| 18:15.42 | Grumbler | you want a lag warn at 30ms>??????, is that suppose to be 300ms |
| 18:16.00 | Patlabor221 | 30 |
| 18:16.05 | Patlabor221 | that would be ok at lan speed |
| 18:17.22 | Patlabor221 | well he's gone |
| 18:17.39 | Grumbler | oh well, the rest looks resonable, i will change that one |
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| 18:18.05 | Patlabor221 | only 2 more invisibles left :) |
| 18:18.11 | bandito | im back |
| 18:18.17 | Patlabor221 | so we see |
| 18:18.24 | bandito | lol |
| 18:18.37 | Patlabor221 | you really want your lag warn at 30ms? |
| 18:18.40 | Patlabor221 | not 300? |
| 18:18.45 | bandito | actually was never susposed to leave |
| 18:18.58 | Patlabor221 | web based CGIs can be unstable |
| 18:19.01 | bandito | oh oops yah it should be 1000 |
| 18:19.46 | bandito | web based? |
| 18:19.54 | bandito | and what is a CGI? |
| 18:20.34 | Patlabor221 | the irc client your using |
| 18:21.21 | bandito | oh :) i knew that |
| 18:21.31 | bandito | and whered mr grumbler go |
| 18:21.44 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure he's around |
| 18:21.52 | Patlabor221 | he wanted you to send him the map via bzbb |
| 18:23.32 | bandito | i did |
| 18:24.55 | Patlabor221 | then I'm sure he'll get it set up at some point |
| 18:25.19 | bandito | cool |
| 18:25.21 | bandito | :) |
| 18:28.15 | bandito | Hello Mr.Grumbler? |
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| 18:45.28 | strayer | hiho.. :) |
| 18:45.30 | Grumbler | bandito: take a look.............. bzflag.galkire.net:5555 it should have everything there |
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| 18:46.25 | strayer | hi david_v |
| 18:46.59 | david_v | hoy :) |
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| 18:47.55 | strayer | lot of users here...I see, I wasn't here for a long time ;) |
| 18:48.06 | Grumbler | ~gmm |
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| 18:55.17 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/bzadmin.cxx: removed the C hack, just use /quit to leave early |
| 18:55.56 | bryjen | Ick. The "Servers: General Discussion" forum on bzbb is too full. The whole first page is just the "stickied" list of servers. People's other posts are driven on to the next page. |
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| 18:56.32 | bryjen | Maybe there should be a "Servers: List" forum that is only for the listings posts |
| 18:59.04 | bandito | Grumbler |
| 18:59.22 | bandito | GRUMBLER |
| 18:59.32 | bandito | Its wont let me in |
| 19:00.05 | Grumbler | ? |
| 19:00.09 | Grumbler | hmm |
| 19:01.09 | Grumbler | let me hack something |
| 19:05.02 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix crashing caused by skipping to the beginning |
| 19:05.15 | bandito | go ahead and change stuff to make it work |
| 19:05.23 | trepan | anyone compiled CVS HEAD today on a Windows box? |
| 19:05.37 | bandito | i dont care as along as u gimme the up dated stuff |
| 19:06.25 | Grumbler | ok try it now |
| 19:06.55 | Grumbler | .....i think because the group/user/banfiles were blank it was choking |
| 19:07.33 | bandito | o ok |
| 19:09.16 | bandito | hey i got in but i cant enter my admin pass |
| 19:09.35 | Grumbler | your pass should be good |
| 19:09.53 | Grumbler | it works for me |
| 19:10.04 | bryjen | ~literal gmm |
| 19:10.07 | ibot | gmm is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.galkire.net:5555 |
| 19:11.43 | bandito | ok ummm is my pass bandit right> |
| 19:12.52 | Pimpinella | hm, maybe u should change ur passwd now... |
| 19:13.15 | bandito | lol |
| 19:13.15 | Pimpinella | no good idea to post it on irc... |
| 19:13.23 | bandito | its not bandit |
| 19:13.27 | Grumbler | exvept that its not bandit |
| 19:13.40 | bandito | Grumbler can u put 2 more groups in |
| 19:13.48 | Grumbler | ? |
| 19:13.50 | Grumbler | what two |
| 19:14.00 | bandito | i want to put COPS in and i want JUNIOR ADMIN |
| 19:14.37 | Grumbler | what permissions do you want them to have..............better just PM me on that on |
| 19:14.41 | Grumbler | one |
| 19:14.46 | bandito | yah lol better |
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| 19:26.22 | bandito | Grumbler check one thing for me |
| 19:26.43 | bandito | i want to know if i am added as an admin in the Grppriv.db file? |
| 19:29.22 | bandito | i added my friend who helped me make the server to admin too |
| 19:32.52 | Nidhoggr | w00 |
| 19:32.53 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:37.05 | Grumbler | hey Nidhoggr |
| 19:37.23 | bandito | did u change the things? |
| 19:37.23 | bandito | Grumbler |
| 19:37.33 | bandito | the permissions i mean |
| 19:37.42 | bandito | if not its ok |
| 19:37.47 | bandito | just add no one as admin |
| 19:37.58 | Grumbler | bandito: not until tonight.........but you have the ability to do a lot with the admin password....... |
| 19:38.05 | bandito | ni know |
| 19:38.32 | Grumbler | i think you can add people to a group, and list the existing groups.............so you can add your buddy to the admin group |
| 19:38.36 | bandito | i was doni some playing with the lag threshold cand i think 350 is good |
| 19:38.48 | bandito | no i did |
| 19:39.01 | Grumbler | ok |
| 19:39.03 | bandito | i added him just wanted to see if i was in the admin group |
| 19:39.09 | Grumbler | you are |
| 19:39.19 | bandito | ok ty |
| 19:39.25 | Grumbler | for this map, you have complete control |
| 19:39.49 | Grumbler | ...........which i dont do normally, but i dont have time to completely handle things |
| 19:40.02 | bandito | yah thanks |
| 19:40.11 | Grumbler | now there would be a feature............a way for an admin to upload a new map |
| 19:40.20 | bandito | would there be? |
| 19:40.56 | bandito | why is stuff saying that |
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| 19:41.26 | bryjen | ~google picodos |
| 19:41.35 | prodan | ohio gozaimas |
| 19:41.49 | bandito | why do i need picodos? |
| 19:42.17 | prodan | picodos taste nice with avocado dip |
| 19:42.30 | bandito | no ty |
| 19:42.30 | bandito | lol |
| 19:42.33 | bryjen | </joke> |
| 19:42.52 | bandito | anyways ummm if he e-mails all that stuff back to me u think it will work on my comp |
| 19:43.36 | bandito | hey i have like personal webspace on this server how might i go about making it host my server |
| 19:43.52 | bandito | *on a server called telus |
| 19:44.06 | bandito | well anyways bbl |
| 19:44.38 | DeathBarrel-Work | ~seen puffinator |
| 19:44.46 | ibot | puffinator <~jim@cpe-024-165-180-011.midsouth.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 9d 23h 28m 44s ago, saying: 'hi bluedragon'. |
| 19:45.15 | bandito | lol |
| 19:45.23 | bandito | ~seen grubler |
| 19:45.25 | ibot | bandito: i haven't seen 'grubler' |
| 19:46.10 | Nidhoggr | ~seen grumbler |
| 19:46.12 | ibot | grumbler <~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6m 1s ago, saying: 'now there would be a feature............a way for an admin to upload a new map'. |
| 19:47.23 | bryjen | s/feature/security hole/ |
| 19:50.19 | Pimpinella | brlcad: if possible, i posted a bug report bout the permissions/groups system lately, would be great if somebody could fix this before 1.10.6 ? (plz,plz,plz) |
| 19:53.24 | brlcad | Pimpinella: yes, I saw that.. that's a bad one ;) |
| 19:53.28 | Nidhoggr | does that mean you're busy like a bee, brlcad? |
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| 20:06.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
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| 20:13.37 | bandito | ~seen grumbler |
| 20:13.44 | ibot | grumbler <~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 33m 33s ago, saying: 'now there would be a feature............a way for an admin to upload a new map'. |
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| 20:50.14 | Patlabor221 | what was the XML parsing lib that MrApathy allways used? |
| 20:50.25 | purple_cow | xerces |
| 20:50.36 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
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| 20:52.54 | Patlabor221 | looks like weare gonna use XML for tool database stuff |
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| 21:01.48 | DeathBarrel-Work | how do i unlock a file with unix? |
| 21:01.55 | DeathBarrel-Work | there a certain command? |
| 21:02.03 | DeathBarrel-Work | i have never heard of this one |
| 21:02.25 | orange | how is it locked? |
| 21:02.42 | DeathBarrel-Work | not sure |
| 21:02.56 | orange | well, if you don't know, how do you know it is locked? :-) |
| 21:03.16 | DeathBarrel-Work | for a customer |
| 21:03.24 | DeathBarrel-Work | just says the file is locked when she tries to rebuild |
| 21:03.38 | DeathBarrel-Work | also getting an error code 39 |
| 21:03.42 | DeathBarrel-Work | for unmasking |
| 21:03.52 | trepan | is it under cvs or something? |
| 21:03.57 | DeathBarrel-Work | no |
| 21:04.53 | orange | what program is saying the file is locked? |
| 21:05.08 | DeathBarrel-Work | vutil command |
| 21:05.29 | DeathBarrel-Work | cobal we think |
| 21:05.40 | DeathBarrel-Work | we aren't sure, it is really old unix |
| 21:05.45 | DeathBarrel-Work | sco :) |
| 21:05.47 | DeathBarrel-Work | lol |
| 21:06.41 | trepan | http://help.bsmgr.com/vutil.htm ? |
| 21:07.24 | brlcad_ | HFS filesystems support file locking, but it's not common to run up against it |
| 21:07.34 | brlcad_ | i.e. Macs |
| 21:07.41 | DeathBarrel-Work | ok well i am figuring out here it is our software not unix |
| 21:07.44 | DeathBarrel-Work | thx anyways guys |
| 21:07.58 | DeathBarrel-Work | this lady doesn't kow what the hell she is doing |
| 21:08.00 | DeathBarrel-Work | *sigh* |
| 21:11.47 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad_ -> http://BZFlag.org || http://bzbb.bzflag.org || http://stats.bzflag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || Nightly RPMs http://files.noodleroni.com/pub/bzflag/nightlies/ || #bzleague & #ileague || http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/23/2255248 || Maintenance 1.10.6 release real soon... (v1_10branch) |
| 21:12.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 21:15.04 | pyrobunny | brlcad, hey, any word on when the server will be up? |
| 21:16.32 | *** join/#bzflag bandito (~89bac829@procyon.noodleroni.com) |
| 21:16.37 | Patlabor221 | hmmm free cross platform mmorpg engine.......... evertank :) |
| 21:17.02 | bandito | u know what we need is easier ways to admin files from in game |
| 21:17.09 | bandito | like change groups |
| 21:17.18 | bandito | ~seen grumbler |
| 21:17.24 | ibot | grumbler <~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 37m 13s ago, saying: 'now there would be a feature............a way for an admin to upload a new map'. |
| 21:17.28 | Patlabor221 | it's a hack prevention :) |
| 21:17.44 | Patlabor221 | adding groups should be a rare thing |
| 21:17.44 | bandito | oh so thats why it doesn't exist |
| 21:18.28 | Patlabor221 | sure :) |
| 21:18.46 | bandito | true enough but some ppl i trust with like everything but shutdown server and stuff so i have to make lots of groups |
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| 21:18.59 | Patlabor221 | then make them |
| 21:19.10 | bandito | but as the grumbler said we should be able to change maps from in game |
| 21:19.11 | Patlabor221 | ssh would allw you to do it remotely |
| 21:19.22 | Patlabor221 | we should be able to do lots of things we can't |
| 21:19.27 | bandito | i kno |
| 21:19.51 | bandito | hey does ny1 kno of a server that might be willing to host my server |
| 21:20.02 | bandito | that i could access the files still |
| 21:20.13 | Patlabor221 | ask on bzbb |
| 21:20.24 | bandito | ok ill do that |
| 21:20.52 | bandito | well i have personal webspace on a Server named Telus now how would i go about making BZ run on it |
| 21:21.45 | pyrobunny | get the bzflag server package maybe? |
| 21:21.54 | bandito | nyone? |
| 21:21.55 | bandito | where? |
| 21:22.04 | pyrobunny | well, I may be wrong.... |
| 21:22.08 | Patlabor221 | do you have shell and execute access? |
| 21:22.14 | Patlabor221 | and what kind of machine is it? |
| 21:22.32 | Patlabor221 | bzflag is not web based |
| 21:22.33 | bandito | well not sure of that but itslike place for a website |
| 21:22.43 | bandito | so it wouldn't work? |
| 21:22.47 | Patlabor221 | do you just have a place to upload files? |
| 21:22.56 | bandito | yah |
| 21:22.59 | bandito | basically |
| 21:23.00 | Patlabor221 | then probably not |
| 21:23.11 | bandito | oh |
| 21:23.12 | Patlabor221 | you need to be able to install and run an application on that server |
| 21:23.13 | bandito | too bad |
| 21:23.22 | Patlabor221 | and have ports opened to it |
| 21:23.24 | bandito | hmmmmmm can't do that |
| 21:23.34 | pyrobunny | bandito, is it a real server, or a personal computer ruinning apache? |
| 21:23.44 | Patlabor221 | it's his IPs webserver |
| 21:23.48 | bandito | its a real server i think |
| 21:23.50 | pyrobunny | oh... |
| 21:24.09 | Patlabor221 | very much doubt you have execute or even shell access |
| 21:24.18 | pyrobunny | bandito, also, most isp's won't allow game servers on their ISP, especially cable |
| 21:24.34 | bandito | well i am T/1 |
| 21:24.35 | pyrobunny | at least road runner is strict about that. |
| 21:24.38 | pyrobunny | oh.. :-) |
| 21:24.47 | pyrobunny | that sucks for me :-/ |
| 21:24.47 | pyrobunny | :D |
| 21:24.48 | Patlabor221 | you have a T1? |
| 21:24.56 | Patlabor221 | at home or office? |
| 21:24.56 | pyrobunny | a personal t1? |
| 21:25.08 | bandito | its called ADSL but its the Equiv of T/1 |
| 21:25.16 | Patlabor221 | no it's not |
| 21:25.16 | *** part/#bzflag bluedragon (~LANGSTON@pcp01492481pcs.tybout01.de.comcast.net) |
| 21:25.22 | Patlabor221 | it's DSL |
| 21:25.29 | Patlabor221 | lot less upstream |
| 21:25.36 | Patlabor221 | who is your ISP? |
| 21:25.42 | pyrobunny | and a lot cheaper too... :-p |
| 21:25.44 | bandito | Telus |
| 21:25.59 | bandito | i run hmmmm 2.5 mbps |
| 21:26.06 | Patlabor221 | you on static or dynamic IP? |
| 21:26.22 | bandito | Dynamic annoyingly enough but |
| 21:26.35 | Patlabor221 | then you need a dynamic DNS host |
| 21:26.40 | pyrobunny | bandito, your in canada? |
| 21:26.44 | bandito | Yah |
| 21:26.48 | Patlabor221 | just a 2.5 dsl |
| 21:26.55 | Patlabor221 | what area? |
| 21:26.58 | bandito | where i get a Dynamic DNS host |
| 21:27.04 | Patlabor221 | www.no-ip.com |
| 21:27.05 | bandito | SPringbank Alberta |
| 21:27.43 | bandito | cool |
| 21:28.00 | pyrobunny | bandito, though, telus might not like you running a server, even trhough no-ip.com |
| 21:28.04 | bandito | so will i be able to host off my Personal PC then? |
| 21:28.21 | pyrobunny | yes, the server is on your computer, you are just using their DNS server |
| 21:28.23 | bandito | PSSSH Fuck telus |
| 21:28.29 | pyrobunny | :-) |
| 21:28.31 | Patlabor221 | watch the language |
| 21:28.33 | Patlabor221 | please |
| 21:28.36 | bandito | Sry |
| 21:28.46 | bandito | im not on good terms with my ISP |
| 21:28.56 | Patlabor221 | then take it up with them |
| 21:29.06 | bandito | :) psssh later |
| 21:29.08 | pyrobunny | well, do you have a router? |
| 21:29.11 | Patlabor221 | you are directly pluged into the DSL Modem? or do you have a router? |
| 21:29.13 | bandito | i do yes |
| 21:29.20 | Patlabor221 | you said you didn't a while ago |
| 21:29.22 | pyrobunny | Patlabor221, thinking alike eh? |
| 21:29.32 | Patlabor221 | did you set up UDP and TCP routes properly? |
| 21:29.37 | bandito | well i can have no router |
| 21:29.54 | Patlabor221 | if you have a router you must set up a staic route |
| 21:29.59 | bandito | or i can have one |
| 21:29.59 | pyrobunny | well, if you have a router, you probably will have to foward port 80 to the PC you have apache, or M$ server on |
| 21:30.00 | Patlabor221 | for the ports in question |
| 21:30.15 | Patlabor221 | pyrobunny, he wan's to run BZ not web |
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| 21:30.24 | Patlabor221 | what router you have? |
| 21:30.29 | bandito | i can run web fine |
| 21:30.36 | pyrobunny | oh... well, he WAS talking about DNS servers with no-ip.com Patlabor221 |
| 21:30.38 | bandito | Linksys sometin |
| 21:30.50 | pyrobunny | is it a switch or a full router? |
| 21:30.59 | bandito | Full Router |
| 21:31.06 | bandito | i can probably access its page |
| 21:31.08 | Patlabor221 | set up a staic route to your PC for your BZ ports |
| 21:31.14 | bandito | if i wanted too |
| 21:31.29 | bandito | and what might my BZ prts be |
| 21:31.35 | pyrobunny | bandito, you can set that up in the local ip of the router. It should have a admin page |
| 21:31.43 | bandito | im at a friends house |
| 21:31.59 | bandito | im just sayin i can prob get to that from here |
| 21:31.59 | pyrobunny | do it when you get home :-) |
| 21:32.18 | pyrobunny | no, you cvannot access the router, because it would prolly be a local ip |
| 21:32.28 | pyrobunny | at least that is the way mine is. |
| 21:32.42 | bandito | i can get to it if i want |
| 21:32.52 | pyrobunny | ok. |
| 21:33.13 | bandito | maybe im checkin |
| 21:33.18 | pyrobunny | what _are_ the bzflag ports Patlabor221? |
| 21:34.05 | bandito | oh maybe not otday |
| 21:34.16 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (carn@dyn216-8-133-1.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 21:34.19 | bandito | i guess the powers out at my house? |
| 21:34.40 | bandito | it would usually tell me what is running |
| 21:34.46 | bandito | but not today |
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| 21:36.01 | Patlabor221 | what ever you set pyrobunny |
| 21:36.10 | purple_cow | usually 5154 tcp/udp |
| 21:36.12 | Patlabor221 | the default is 5154 IIRC |
| 21:36.18 | bandito | oh :) |
| 21:36.35 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@208.48.199.220) |
| 21:36.35 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 21:36.42 | bandito | :-) |
| 21:36.50 | Patlabor221 | wrong button |
| 21:36.58 | bandito | LOL |
| 21:36.59 | Patlabor221 | your ISP dosn't even give line speed figures |
| 21:37.08 | bandito | what do u mean? |
| 21:37.18 | Patlabor221 | what the up and down bandwith is |
| 21:37.18 | bandito | what are Line Speed Figures |
| 21:37.30 | Patlabor221 | how fast the DSL they offer is |
| 21:37.32 | bandito | oh i kno what it is though i just checked |
| 21:37.37 | Patlabor221 | like mine is 6 megs down 608k up |
| 21:37.49 | bandito | but mine is on the highend |
| 21:38.06 | Patlabor221 | what is your upstream? |
| 21:38.16 | bandito | .5mbps |
| 21:38.20 | Patlabor221 | 500k |
| 21:38.26 | Patlabor221 | 2.5 down 500k up |
| 21:38.29 | Patlabor221 | not horible |
| 21:38.35 | bandito | i think so |
| 21:38.58 | bandito | but mine is on the high end couse i had to get them to tweak it cause i had a weak signal |
| 21:39.30 | bandito | :) i didn't but still |
| 21:40.17 | purple_cow | 500k up is not close to t1 ;) |
| 21:42.34 | *** join/#bzflag bandito (~89bac829@procyon.noodleroni.com) |
| 21:46.30 | Patlabor221 | this is very true |
| 21:51.51 | *** join/#bzflag harwood (~harwood@dhcp-65-112.IPReg.McMaster.CA) |
| 21:52.21 | harwood | argh... I'm trying to compile bzedit under linux... anyone here experienced at that? |
| 21:52.22 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: do you know if the hostbanning still works? or is it broken? |
| 21:52.45 | Pimpinella | works, just didit |
| 21:52.54 | SportChick | on sp? |
| 21:53.01 | Pimpinella | dunno that |
| 21:53.06 | SportChick | heh |
| 21:53.09 | harwood | I'm getting "syntax errors" with /usr/include/libintl.h |
| 21:53.10 | SportChick | that's why I asked Nid! ;) |
| 21:53.23 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 21:53.36 | SportChick | thanks, though! :) I appreciate the quick response! |
| 21:53.41 | bryjen | the old bzedit for linux is b0rken. |
| 21:53.55 | oskiwiwi | define old, please? |
| 21:54.02 | Pimpinella | quick usless answers r my speciality... |
| 21:54.12 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (~rooot@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 21:54.19 | Nidhoggr | SC, it should work. |
| 21:54.25 | SportChick | hmmmmm |
| 21:54.33 | bryjen | eh, i don't think the new one is done yet. |
| 21:54.45 | oskiwiwi | ok... I've only seen sourcecode for 2.1 |
| 21:54.57 | Nidhoggr | you have to do it as a wildcard. |
| 21:55.10 | Nidhoggr | *.adsl.proxad.net |
| 21:55.15 | Nidhoggr | not just adsl.proxad.net |
| 21:55.42 | SportChick | grrrrrr..I FORGOT that...sorry |
| 21:55.46 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:55.48 | FredCods | Minor question: I got a "shot myself" without being killed ! the code detecting and producing "shot myself" is not directly related to the code that destroy the tank ? |
| 21:55.52 | SportChick | another question...is there a way to see hostbanlist? |
| 21:55.57 | SportChick | and to unhostban? |
| 21:56.04 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.08 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.16 | SportChick | I tried the unhostban the otehr day and it didn't work |
| 21:56.20 | bryjen | i think the old one probly worked _exactly_ _one_ time. ;) ie, right after it was written. never heard of anyone having much luck with it since. |
| 21:56.29 | oskiwiwi | heh |
| 21:56.31 | Nidhoggr | hrm. let me try it. |
| 21:56.37 | trepan | oskiwiwi: you're prolly better off running bzeditw32 in wine |
| 21:57.01 | oskiwiwi | Well, I don't want to have to boot into windows to do it... hmm... |
| 21:57.32 | oskiwiwi | alright, thanks all. |
| 21:57.56 | oskiwiwi | oh... what's a good two team CTF map I can download? |
| 22:00.38 | bryjen | hmm, the router's not on fire or anything... |
| 22:09.34 | *** join/#bzflag bandito (~c635b85d@procyon.noodleroni.com) |
| 22:09.58 | bandito | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 22:10.05 | ibot | patlabor221 is currently on #project24 (33m 30s) #bzflag (33m 30s) #tacobeam (33m 30s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 9m 40s |
| 22:10.17 | Patlabor221 | 22 messages? |
| 22:10.19 | Patlabor221 | I'm sliping |
| 22:10.26 | bandito | lol ur actually here |
| 22:10.30 | bandito | :) |
| 22:10.35 | bandito | thats good |
| 22:10.43 | bandito | who was helping me |
| 22:10.46 | Patlabor221 | well I am in that list on the side |
| 22:10.47 | bryjen | 22 messages n 33.5 minutes |
| 22:10.51 | bandito | oh yah u were |
| 22:10.55 | bandito | :) |
| 22:11.02 | bandito | ok well i am at home now |
| 22:11.05 | bryjen | ~ 22 / 33.5 |
| 22:11.08 | ibot | 0.65671641791 |
| 22:11.15 | Patlabor221 | see I'm sliping |
| 22:11.28 | bandito | yikes what else does that bot do |
| 22:11.33 | Patlabor221 | many things |
| 22:11.55 | bandito | :) all i know is ~seen blahblah bah |
| 22:12.09 | Patlabor221 | both ibot and cortana do many thigns |
| 22:12.39 | bandito | ~what are the default ports for BZFLAG |
| 22:12.42 | ibot | bandito: what are you talking about? |
| 22:12.50 | Patlabor221 | 5154 |
| 22:12.53 | Patlabor221 | read the docs |
| 22:13.06 | bandito | ~the defualt ports for BZFLAG |
| 22:13.15 | bandito | :) im talking to the IBOT |
| 22:13.15 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't do stuff like that |
| 22:13.21 | Patlabor221 | so don't abuse it |
| 22:13.24 | bandito | :( |
| 22:13.24 | Patlabor221 | or do it in a /msg |
| 22:13.48 | bandito | ~sorry ibot |
| 22:14.27 | bandito | anyways Patlabor ok so how do i set up a static route |
| 22:14.37 | Patlabor221 | depends on your router |
| 22:14.45 | Patlabor221 | it's often called a virtual server |
| 22:14.56 | Patlabor221 | should be documented with the router |
| 22:15.01 | fiberchunks | or port forwarding, and just set your machine to a static IP |
| 22:15.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah that is another name for it |
| 22:15.21 | fiberchunks | if it's a linksys, then it's most likely port forwarding, iirc |
| 22:15.38 | Patlabor221 | if it works :) |
| 22:15.48 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 22:15.53 | bandito | well |
| 22:16.52 | bandito | how do i set my comp to static |
| 22:18.12 | Patlabor221 | networking controllpanel |
| 22:19.03 | bandito | ok |
| 22:19.45 | Patlabor221 | set it to a static IP in your routers range, and set your router as the gateway and dns server |
| 22:20.53 | bandito | ok so my router will be the server? |
| 22:21.03 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:21.10 | Patlabor221 | your computer will be your server |
| 22:21.20 | Patlabor221 | the router will route the trafic to your computer |
| 22:21.34 | Patlabor221 | but it needs a static IP to know what to route it to |
| 22:21.39 | Patlabor221 | since you can have 255 computers |
| 22:25.14 | bandito | yah |
| 22:25.28 | *** part/#bzflag trepan (~trepan@CPE0040f42db082-CM00e06f15f704.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:27.30 | *** join/#bzflag bandit (~c635b85d@procyon.noodleroni.com) |
| 22:27.37 | bandit | argh |
| 22:27.58 | bandit | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 22:28.03 | ibot | patlabor221 is currently on #project24 (51m 28s) #bzflag (51m 28s) #tacobeam (51m 28s). Has said a total of 45 messages. Is idling for 6m 24s |
| 22:28.20 | bandit | ok cool patlabor |
| 22:28.25 | bandit | ARE U THERE |
| 22:28.45 | bandit | its bandito but when i hit apply i sorta disconnected from my IRC |
| 22:29.00 | bandit | ~get patlabor221 |
| 22:29.23 | scanline | bandit: calm down |
| 22:29.32 | bandit | ok |
| 22:29.53 | bandit | ~whats my IP |
| 22:30.05 | scanline | and stop abusing the bot |
| 22:30.07 | bandit | ~IP |
| 22:30.11 | ibot | bandit IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol] |
| 22:30.15 | scanline | and learn how to use IRC |
| 22:30.40 | bandit | can it tell me my IP address |
| 22:30.44 | fiberchunks | ~fishslap bandit |
| 22:30.51 | ibot | ACTION slaps bandit up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:31.02 | bandit | ~bad ibot |
| 22:31.08 | ibot | Bad ibot, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 22:31.09 | Tupone | 93.184.53.198 |
| 22:31.21 | bandit | :) |
| 22:31.31 | bandit | thats myu IP? |
| 22:31.36 | Tupone | yeap |
| 22:31.46 | Patlabor221 | your router knows your IP |
| 22:31.59 | bandit | oh yah |
| 22:32.04 | Patlabor221 | Tupone, he's using web IRC that's not his real IP |
| 22:32.05 | *** join/#bzflag bluedragon (~LANGSTON@pcp01492481pcs.tybout01.de.comcast.net) |
| 22:32.17 | bandit | 198.53.184.93 does that sound like an ip to you? |
| 22:32.19 | Patlabor221 | bandit you need to calm down a bit |
| 22:32.23 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 22:32.25 | Patlabor221 | is it yours |
| 22:32.27 | bandit | hes back |
| 22:32.34 | Patlabor221 | you can allways go to www.whatsmyip.com |
| 22:32.38 | bandit | ok |
| 22:33.15 | david_v | http://www.whatismyip.com/ even |
| 22:33.15 | *** join/#bzflag bandit2 (~c635b85d@procyon.noodleroni.com) |
| 22:33.39 | Patlabor221 | that would be a linksys restarting |
| 22:33.40 | david_v | the other domain is unused so to speak |
| 22:33.46 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 22:33.48 | Patlabor221 | my bad |
| 22:33.50 | bandit2 | umm can anyone kik bandito cause |
| 22:33.55 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 22:34.02 | Patlabor221 | it'll time out |
| 22:34.11 | Patlabor221 | kicking wont' remove it from the server |
| 22:34.13 | bandit2 | its me but sorta hit apply and now i cant get in as bandito :( |
| 22:34.18 | Patlabor221 | one reason to get a real IRC client |
| 22:34.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:34.22 | Patlabor221 | you' |
| 22:34.25 | Patlabor221 | you'll live |
| 22:34.38 | bandit2 | where do i get a real IRC client? |
| 22:34.42 | Patlabor221 | xchat |
| 22:34.50 | bandit2 | ok |
| 22:35.52 | Patlabor221 | see they eventualy time out |
| 22:35.59 | bandit2 | :) yay |
| 22:36.00 | Tupone | for the Windows guys: I added 2 files :) |
| 22:36.13 | bandit2 | what are they? |
| 22:36.17 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Moving adns (Async DNS) onto its own class |
| 22:36.17 | Patlabor221 | dtr or mac will get it |
| 22:36.19 | bandit2 | i run windows |
| 22:36.29 | Patlabor221 | bandit2, it wasn't for you it was for a dev |
| 22:36.31 | Tupone | ok ... |
| 22:36.31 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~hjjj@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 22:36.51 | bandit2 | :) oh sorry |
| 22:37.23 | david_v | g'night |
| 22:38.47 | Patlabor221 | what files Tupone? |
| 22:38.59 | Tupone | AdnsHandler.h & AdnsHandler.cxx |
| 22:39.05 | Tupone | to manage DNS |
| 22:39.17 | Patlabor221 | into what proejct? |
| 22:39.21 | Tupone | just creating a class |
| 22:39.30 | Tupone | net ? |
| 22:39.40 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 22:39.43 | bandit2 | the ibot said a bad word |
| 22:39.48 | *** part/#bzflag bluedragon (~LANGSTON@pcp01492481pcs.tybout01.de.comcast.net) |
| 22:40.01 | *** join/#bzflag bluedragon (~LANGSTON@pcp01492481pcs.tybout01.de.comcast.net) |
| 22:40.40 | *** join/#bzflag bandito (~c635b85d@procyon.noodleroni.com) |
| 22:40.45 | bandito | back |
| 22:40.51 | Tupone | :( |
| 22:40.52 | Patlabor221 | we can see that |
| 22:41.08 | Patlabor221 | let me get latest and I'll add them Tupone |
| 22:41.18 | bandito | u guys really hate me? |
| 22:41.24 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 22:41.55 | Tupone | bandito, nope ... just do not say obvious things |
| 22:42.13 | bandito | fine tupone |
| 22:42.51 | Bandito | ~seen grumbler |
| 22:42.53 | ibot | grumbler <~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 2m 42s ago, saying: 'now there would be a feature............a way for an admin to upload a new map'. |
| 22:43.14 | Bandito | man i need to talk to him |
| 22:43.21 | Patlabor221 | then send him a PM |
| 22:43.31 | Tupone | bandito ... unless you wanna show things to us, talk to ibot privately .. |
| 22:43.40 | Bandito | ok |
| 22:44.04 | Patlabor221 | now lets see if this sucker builds |
| 22:44.22 | Tupone | possibly .. doesn't build on windows |
| 22:44.30 | Patlabor221 | we shall see in a bit :) |
| 22:44.46 | Patlabor221 | vc 7.1 is building now |
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| 22:52.53 | Patlabor221 | well dosn't look like capturereplay builds |
| 22:53.17 | Tupone | it build? |
| 22:53.24 | Patlabor221 | looks like net did |
| 22:53.35 | Patlabor221 | CaptureReplay.cxx |
| 22:53.35 | Patlabor221 | e:\Projects\bzflag\src\bzfs\CaptureReplay.cxx(1153) : error C2661: 'stat::stat' : no overloaded function takes 2 arguments |
| 22:53.35 | Patlabor221 | e:\Projects\bzflag\src\bzfs\CaptureReplay.cxx(1155) : error C3861: 'mkdir': identifier not found, even with argument-dependent lookup |
| 22:53.35 | Patlabor221 | e:\Projects\bzflag\src\bzfs\CaptureReplay.cxx(1164) : error C2065: '_S_IFDIR' : undeclared identifier |
| 22:53.37 | Tupone | :) I just move lines around |
| 22:54.17 | Tupone | I got some problem with that too, on the bzgirl server |
| 22:54.47 | Patlabor221 | here it seems stat is a struct not a function |
| 22:54.55 | Patlabor221 | looks like its trying to do file IO |
| 22:54.58 | Patlabor221 | nix style |
| 22:55.09 | FredCods | I've a problem.. Since a scaled my map (bzflag3.tuxee.net) from 800 to 1100, I've several flags inside building ! It is really curious. |
| 22:55.12 | Tupone | it is both a struct and a function :/ |
| 22:56.05 | Patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 22:56.26 | Tupone | stat, fstat, lstat - get file status |
| 22:57.02 | Tupone | These functions return information about the specified file. You do not need any access rights to the file to get this information but you need search rights to all directories named in the path leading to the file. |
| 22:57.30 | Patlabor221 | is part of the standard C lib? |
| 22:57.37 | Tupone | don't know really why is used .. |
| 22:57.44 | Tupone | yeap, think so |
| 22:58.02 | Tupone | no need to include other library |
| 22:58.02 | FredCods | not part of ansi C |
| 22:58.54 | bryjen | the man page says its posix and other nixie stuff |
| 22:59.10 | Patlabor221 | ahh ours is _stat it seems |
| 22:59.14 | Patlabor221 | let me see what I can do |
| 23:00.36 | FredCods | (for my flag problem, I'm using server 1.10.4.20040416 and 1.10.4.20040328) |
| 23:00.42 | FredCods | +client |
| 23:01.00 | FredCods | resetting flag don't avoid some of them to go in the building |
| 23:01.28 | Tupone | FredCods: write a bug report on SF |
| 23:02.07 | FredCods | yes, ok |
| 23:03.19 | FredCods | hum |
| 23:03.37 | FredCods | #946817 already match that |
| 23:03.59 | FredCods | filled 8 days ago |
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| 23:07.06 | bluedragon | het trep |
| 23:08.33 | trepan | hiya bd |
| 23:10.37 | Patlabor221 | there we go it builds now |
| 23:11.02 | bluedragon | :) |
| 23:11.30 | Bandito | ~seen Grumbler |
| 23:11.32 | ibot | grumbler <~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 31m 21s ago, saying: 'now there would be a feature............a way for an admin to upload a new map'. |
| 23:11.54 | Bandito | damn |
| 23:12.01 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CaptureReplay.cxx: fix capture replay to build on windows. |
| 23:12.03 | Patlabor221 | you would see him cone in here man |
| 23:12.11 | Patlabor221 | people have other thigns to do |
| 23:12.18 | Patlabor221 | he'll repply to you when he gets to it |
| 23:12.22 | PrezKennedy | ~seen PrezKennedy |
| 23:12.24 | ibot | prezkennedy is currently on #bzflag (19h 8m 7s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 2s |
| 23:12.35 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/net.vcproj: add in async DNS class files |
| 23:12.40 | PrezKennedy | 19 hours is definitely a new record |
| 23:12.45 | PrezKennedy | i should probably be peering out shortly |
| 23:13.01 | Bandito | what is CIA-4 doin |
| 23:13.10 | Patlabor221 | anouncing |
| 23:13.12 | Patlabor221 | it's what it does |
| 23:13.25 | Bandito | oh what other things are there |
| 23:13.36 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 23:13.51 | Bandito | like IBOT but what other things are there |
| 23:13.59 | Patlabor221 | that's all CIA does |
| 23:14.04 | Patlabor221 | it's the cvs anouncer |
| 23:14.14 | PrezKennedy | is CIA run by freenode? |
| 23:14.18 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:14.22 | Bandito | are there anyother anoucers/thigs that do stuff |
| 23:14.29 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure there are |
| 23:14.29 | PrezKennedy | you know who runs it? |
| 23:14.34 | trepan | Patlabor221: was it the _stat() call that messed it up? |
| 23:14.36 | Patlabor221 | cortana anounces matches |
| 23:14.44 | Patlabor221 | part of it |
| 23:14.48 | Patlabor221 | and it was missing includes |
| 23:14.48 | Bandito | oh |
| 23:14.50 | Patlabor221 | and some other stuff |
| 23:14.53 | Patlabor221 | I cleaned it up |
| 23:14.56 | Patlabor221 | it should run on both |
| 23:15.39 | Patlabor221 | now to verify vc6 |
| 23:15.58 | *** join/#bzflag menotume (~mthomas@pcp08396790pcs.cnclrk01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:16.08 | trepan | want to find a windows version of gettimeofday() |
| 23:16.26 | trepan | it would be nice to also have the correct dates in the files (like unix will have) |
| 23:18.10 | trepan | why use _MSC_VER and _WIN32 ? |
| 23:19.50 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-144.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:22.23 | Patlabor221 | didn't I write one? |
| 23:22.31 | FredCods | (ah, about flags in building.. I'm stupid.. I'm adding a 'flagHeight 0' when I've non standard world size.. Not a bug.. I'm really stupid.) |
| 23:23.04 | trepan | Patlabor221: nope, don't see it |
| 23:23.23 | Patlabor221 | it's in version.h or something |
| 23:23.29 | Patlabor221 | did it for the build thingy |
| 23:23.43 | Patlabor221 | or maybe the config |
| 23:23.45 | Bandito | .kk wish me luck |
| 23:23.54 | Bandito | im gonna try runnin a server |
| 23:23.59 | trepan | heh, that'd make for a lousy gettimeofday() substitute |
| 23:24.01 | Patlabor221 | have fun |
| 23:24.09 | Patlabor221 | well maybe it can be modified |
| 23:24.14 | trepan | pretty for printing though |
| 23:24.15 | Patlabor221 | for your needs |
| 23:24.57 | *** part/#bzflag Bandito (~c635b85d@procyon.noodleroni.com) |
| 23:25.06 | trepan | the stuff in version.h is jsut for printing strings |
| 23:26.01 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 23:26.05 | Patlabor221 | what does gettimeofday do? |
| 23:26.32 | Patlabor221 | in what format man |
| 23:26.42 | purple_cow | hehe, couldn't resist :) |
| 23:26.45 | Patlabor221 | just like 08:45? |
| 23:26.50 | Patlabor221 | or somethign like that? |
| 23:26.58 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: you've got linux boxen, `man gettimeofday` |
| 23:27.14 | Patlabor221 | not here |
| 23:27.21 | purple_cow | it fills a timeval struct |
| 23:27.29 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.29 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.29 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.29 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.30 | trepan | struct timeval { u32 secs, u32 micro_secs } |
| 23:27.44 | purple_cow | int gettimeofday(struct timeval *tv, struct timezone *tz); |
| 23:28.05 | Patlabor221 | ok so number of seconds in this day? |
| 23:28.19 | trepan | but with more accuracy then time() |
| 23:28.25 | purple_cow | seconds & microseconds since the epoch |
| 23:28.35 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 23:29.30 | purple_cow | you shouldn't need to implement the timezone stuff |
| 23:29.37 | purple_cow | it's obsoleted in linux |
| 23:30.02 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 23:30.05 | Patlabor221 | I will look |
| 23:35.37 | Patlabor221 | there has to be some way, the php impelementation on windows does it |
| 23:38.05 | trepan | the entire bzfs build is now borked on my machine |
| 23:38.15 | Patlabor221 | seems like a file is missing from the vc6 |
| 23:43.57 | *** part/#bzflag jolly (~hjjj@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:46.14 | trepan | hehe, gotta starting adding some .PHONY targets |
| 23:46.23 | trepan | a file called 'new' totally killed the build |
| 23:47.19 | Patlabor221 | well looks like there is no method for it |
| 23:47.24 | Patlabor221 | will have to write one |
| 23:47.31 | Patlabor221 | can get the curent time in secondsd |
| 23:48.06 | Patlabor221 | somone probably has one out there on the net somewhere |
| 23:48.53 | trepan | i've seen a couple of postings where people are using a method like "GetTimeAsFile", or something to that affect |
| 23:49.10 | Patlabor221 | you don't have a way to get the real time |
| 23:49.11 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 23:49.15 | trepan | it builds ok on windows the way it is now? |
| 23:49.15 | Patlabor221 | not the epoch stuff? |
| 23:51.38 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/net.dsp: add in new dns files, ponder why build don't work |
| 23:52.05 | trepan | it's better to start from the Epoch, then files will be consistent |
| 23:52.26 | trepan | i've already gone out of my way to make sure that they're byte order independent |
| 23:53.08 | trepan | but if it's just windows, then it's no big deal |
| 23:57.00 | trepan | Patlabor221: is there a reason for using _MSC_VER and _WIN32 ? |