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00:15.42Tupone~karma SportChick
00:15.42ibotsportchick has karma of 10
00:16.05SportChickWow!  thanks Tupone!
00:16.33TuponeI haven't done anything
00:16.49Tupone~SportChick++
00:20.00brlcadhrm.. now to try and fix the windows build..
00:21.58SportChickI've got it if you need it
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00:37.42TuponeSportChick: can I ask you ?
00:37.57CIA-303dtremenak * 10bzflag/doc/ (3 files in 3 dirs): basic XML fixes
00:39.53Patlabor221looks like somone has fixed the header issues
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00:40.40TuponeSSL is not more needed on Windows (basically because of problems)
00:41.20brlcadDTRemenak: w00t
00:41.58DTRemenakbrlcad: @?
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00:42.18brlcadxml doc updates
00:42.31CIA-303jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzflag.vcproj: add libcurl.lib to .net project
00:42.50DTRemenakoh...I just got tired of them not opening in mozilla :)
00:42.55brlcad:)
00:43.04DTRemenakno content changes, mostly typo fixes in tags
00:43.17brlcadyeah, there were a slew of little things
00:44.32Patlabor221any idea what LIBAY32.dll is?
00:44.36CIA-303jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ (BZFlag.nsi BZFlag_high_res.nsi SDL_BZFlag.nsi): update instalelrs to include new DLLs
00:44.40Patlabor221it seems to be needed by curl
00:44.50DTRemenakPatlabor221: It's a piece of openssl
00:44.59DTRemenakeither get the non-ssl version of curl, or get openssl
00:45.00Patlabor221ahh I grabed SSL
00:45.01Patlabor221one sec
00:45.42Patlabor221k .net builds again
00:45.56DTRemenakcool
00:46.18Patlabor221back to the ogre
00:46.38DTRemenakwell, looks like everything works now
00:46.46Patlabor221even runs
00:46.50Patlabor221tho I should try a release build
00:46.55DTRemenakso, learner: got any plans for what next to break?
00:48.29CIA-303jupiter * r3234 10bzedit/src/ (editor.c plugins.c scene.c scene.h): finish up implementation of scene initialization and sorting
00:51.12brlcadDTRemenak: always :)
00:51.20DTRemenakgood :)
00:51.36brlcadby any chance did anyone actually try to run the word filter on windows?
00:52.01brlcad./bzfs -badwords ..\..\misc\multilingualSwearList.txt -filterChat -cr -d -d -d
00:52.03Patlabor221how does one try it?
00:52.09DTRemenakyes, it works :)
00:52.17DTRemenakI was trying it last night
00:52.22brlcadsweet :)
00:53.01DTRemenakmingw may still have more issues, but someone shut down the machine I was using...I think I got the last error though
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00:56.43Tuponebrlcad: have you ever seen tank carrying 2 flags?
00:59.33brlcadnope, not yet
00:59.57CIA-303jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/regex.vcproj: set proper include dirs for release build
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01:07.09your_doghowdy learner
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01:08.46your_dogas if 1 learner wasn't bad enough ;)
01:10.47learnermuaha
01:11.00Patlabor221it's interesting to note that mr. mare trolls the boards looking for topics he can post in
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01:38.32CIA-303dtremenak * 10bzflag/data/ (38 files): Squishy squishy - recompress some of the less optimal PNG's - sum of all graphics in data dir falls from 893K to 765K for a 15% reduction
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01:52.32SportChicksorry, Tupone, what did you need?  hubby was on the computer
01:59.17SportChickhi everyone
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02:08.46CIA-303jupiter * r3235 10bzedit/ (10 files in 3 dirs): well, it isn't crashing, but it isn't drawing either
02:13.38CIA-303dtremenak * 10bzflag/data/alternate/ (17 files): Squishy squishy - recompress some of the least optimal alternate PNG's - only updating those on which 15% or more additional savings were possible
02:15.15CIA-303jupiter * r3236 10bzedit/src/plugins/world.c: oops, since it doesn't help debugging, make the ground a static drawable again
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02:26.20CIA-303dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/bzflag.dsp: move clientCommands.cxx out of the Menu Sources group
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02:51.18CIA-303jupiter * r3237 10bzedit/ (8 files in 3 dirs): add lights, still not drawing. grr.
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02:54.06pyrobunnyhello all...
02:54.32scanlinehi
02:54.42CIA-303jupiter * r3238 10bzedit/src/ (plugins/box.h plugins.c): don't use new binding enum
03:02.52CIA-303jupiter * r3239 10bzedit/src/editor.c: set the perspective matrix
03:06.00CIA-303jupiter * r3240 10bzedit/src/plugins/box.h: whoops
03:07.59SportChickhi bunny
03:08.23pyrobunnyello sportchick
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03:32.33lildoghi all
03:34.41CIA-303jupiter * r3243 10bzedit/src/ (editor.c plugins/basicrenderpass.c plugins/world.c scene.c): add a debug quad, fix some camera angles, and scream a bit
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03:49.06LordBrocktreejacques
03:50.03CIA-303jupiter * r3245 10bzedit/src/displaylist.c: make sure the call to glGenLists() occurs after the opengl context exists
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03:55.15Puffinator:(
03:56.10LordBrocktreeu read any of his books?
03:56.40PuffinatorJacgues
03:56.42PuffinatorErr
03:56.50PuffinatorBrian Jacques?
03:56.55LordBrocktreeyeah
03:57.01PuffinatorAll of them....
03:57.06LordBrocktreethere guy in here named jacques
03:57.12jacquesit's my name
03:57.13LordBrocktreegood stuff
03:57.21LordBrocktreei have two to go
03:57.39Puffinator:-P
03:58.23LordBrocktreeI liked the Lord Brocktree one
03:59.00stibniteI am enchanted by the idea of talking badgers
03:59.02PuffinatorI loved them all :)
03:59.06Puffinatorlol
03:59.11PuffinatorRead them!!!
03:59.15PuffinatorThey're awesome :)
03:59.18stibniteI've got a signed copy of mossflower
03:59.23LordBrocktreenice
03:59.35PuffinatorI have four signed copys of different books :)
04:00.08LordBrocktreei need to read marlfox and .... another
04:00.19PuffinatorMarlfox is one of the besst
04:00.29PuffinatorBut I'm not spoiling it for you ;)
04:00.44PuffinatorRead it :)
04:00.52LordBrocktreeyeah it looked good
04:01.02LordBrocktreetaggerung was fun too
04:01.10Puffinator:)
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04:01.14PuffinatorI loved the end....
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04:01.30LordBrocktreewhat hapend i forgot
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04:02.03SGIhi
04:02.41PuffinatorI canna remember... lol
04:02.49your_doghowdy SGI
04:02.50PuffinatorBut it was very dramatic...
04:02.52your_doghowdy MAC
04:02.54Puffinatorhi sgi :)
04:03.04MrApathyCreamhowdie
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04:10.30KRhi all
04:10.35your_doghey KR
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04:12.52LordBrocktreehuh
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04:24.27CIA-303jupiter * r3246 10bzedit/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): yay scanline
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04:34.50lildog:D!!!!
04:35.06scanlinethe police finally found out who stole your copy?
04:35.15lildog...huh?
04:35.22lildogooh
04:35.23lildogya
04:35.31lildogthey found my rust bucket
04:35.35lildoger... tank
04:35.38lildog>:)
04:35.55scanlineyou have a license?
04:36.11lildoga license to kill at 12 yrs old... sad aint it?
04:36.14lildog>:-)
04:37.23MrApathyCreamroger still pwns the bots
04:37.28Patlabor221your dad baned you from a game, yet lets you still go to the forums and stuff for it?
04:37.50lildogno
04:37.56lildoghes alwhase asleep
04:38.07lildogand im getting it back tomawo moning
04:38.21Patlabor221who took it away?
04:38.44brlcadhrm
04:39.11brlcadso you're getting away with being on-line and chatting because he's asleep?
04:40.10scanlineas heatbreaking as it is, we should help enforce lildog's parents' decisions
04:40.26MrApathyCream:)
04:40.37Patlabor221I"ll get the hammer, someone get the rope
04:40.39lildogmy dad took it away
04:40.53Patlabor221then perhaps you should respect his authority
04:41.27lildog~whleslap peopleafterlildog
04:41.34lildog~whaleslap peopleafterlildog
04:41.36ibotACTION slaps peopleafterlildog upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
04:41.37lildogsorry i had to
04:41.38Patlabor221leave the bot alone
04:41.39Patlabor221now
04:41.44lildog:(
04:41.47Patlabor221ice = thin
04:41.49lildogim sorry
04:41.59brlcadheh
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04:45.28Patlabor221did anyone let Nidhoggr know that CVS will now build for him if he installs curl?
04:45.49TimRikerhttp://badgerbadgerbadger.com/
04:45.52brlcadperhaps we could have a parent/irc-channel-operator conference to discuss lildog's development as a good student
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04:46.10Patlabor221heh that would be funny, send them a mail
04:46.42brlcadTimRiker: so now you've been infected too, eh?
04:46.49Patlabor221that is soo 6 months ago tim :)
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04:47.03lildimwit...
04:47.06brlcadtook weeks to get the "mushroom mushroom" out of my head
04:47.11Patlabor221heh
04:47.18TimRikerheh
04:47.26lildimwiti still got that anoing  thing in my head
04:47.40lildimwiti want my voice back!
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04:47.44Patlabor221umm no
04:47.48Patlabor221ooooooo
04:47.59Patlabor221this is a lesson lil, live and learn it
04:47.59brlcadheh, that can't stick for long .. I know ;)
04:48.08Patlabor221I have no problems with it :)
04:48.14brlcadpoor germany :)
04:48.37Patlabor221odd that they have the most bans
04:49.06trepandevs: why was it decided to have BZDB do string comparisons for all those effectively global variables? i like BZDB, just like to know...
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04:50.11Patlabor221that'll work till it losese it's leace
04:50.19Patlabor221lildog noting you do will work
04:50.23Patlabor221give it up
04:50.28Patlabor221just listen
04:50.32brlcadsettle down, or it will only get worse
04:50.42noonespecialwhat did ido???
04:50.52brlcadhrm
04:50.58brlcaddid I typo?
04:50.59TimRikertrepan: alternatives?
04:51.25TimRikertrepan: and notice that the frequently used ones have cache entries.
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04:51.38trepanTimRiker: just use public variables in a class, looks like it was started in BZDBCache
04:52.04TimRikertrepan: yes. any that are used often get put there.
04:52.29MrApathyCreamis there a point to the badgers?
04:54.31trepanTimRiker: just seems like an odd way to do it... burning CPU time for nothing. a little profiling showed 10%+ being eaten by std::string calls
04:54.38trepanbut i'd have to recheck to be sure
04:55.30shkoowhy not make the BZDB_* stuff objects isntead of strings that point to the values so you don't have to change every BZDB::get ?
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04:56.23trepanshkoo: you telepathic?  ;)
04:56.52CIA-303jupiter * r3247 10bzedit/ (6 files in 3 dirs): start in on the walls drawable
04:56.57purple_cowsoo
04:57.04purple_cowi have something of a conundrum
04:57.28purple_cowdo i do pybzflag-style things like walls w/ thickness, or stick with just a pretty version of the bzflag stuff?
04:58.47scanlineyou need pybzflag-style walls, otherwise the tanks can jump over them
04:59.03scanlinepybzflag had an advanced Force Shield Generator on the top of every wall
04:59.10scanlineit glows, so you know it's a force shield
04:59.41scanlineare you planning on doing multitexture in the new bzedit?
05:00.07purple_cowyeah, i think so
05:00.09scanlineyay
05:00.33purple_cowright now it just hashes on a single texture name
05:01.24scanlinepybzengine's list of texture objects handled that pretty well, and you could subclass the texture objects for special effects like cube maps or animation
05:03.06purple_cowwell, there's one problem with that for me
05:03.13purple_cowand that's that i can only hash on certain types of things
05:03.29scanlineyou can define your own hash functions, right?
05:03.52CIA-303brlcad 07v1_10branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/VotingArbiter.cxx: make the voting arbiter compare voter names case-insensitively
05:04.24purple_cowscanline: yeah
05:04.47purple_cowscanline: i could probably also set it up to have some sort of object store such that i could just do a direct hash on the addresses
05:05.15scanlinethat would probably work well
05:05.33scanlineyou want the textures to be singletons anyway
05:05.38scanlinepybzflag had a cache for that IIRC
05:06.21purple_cowi suppose i could just enhance the texture manager a bit to allow texture subclasses to associate themselves with a string ID
05:06.26purple_cowand just continue to hash on that
05:06.47scanlineGCache might do what you want
05:07.12CIA-303brlcad * 10bzflag/src/game/VotingArbiter.cxx: make the voting arbiter compare voter names case-insensitively
05:07.46purple_coweh, i think a hash table can continue to work
05:07.53purple_cowi just will need to make a real texture object
05:08.07purple_cowand then i could do multitexture via more complicated string IDs
05:08.08brlcadyay for real objects
05:08.18purple_cowlike... "tex1.png:tex2png:tex3.png"
05:08.20purple_cowor something
05:08.56purple_cowi could even do something freaky like include a type name in there for subclassed textures ;)
05:09.12scanlineyeah, but that will turn into a somewhat complex parser really quickly
05:09.34purple_cowit shouldn't be too bad if i keep it restricted to a couple special characters
05:09.49scanlineonce you need things like "dirt.png:(wavy-stuff%02d.png,30fps):<cubemap>"
05:09.57purple_cowhehe
05:11.01scanlineugh
05:11.13scanlinewhy are most 24-bit RGB images in windows stored backwards?
05:11.19scanline(bottom-up BGR)
05:12.02brlcadthere are four quadrants to choose from..
05:12.02Patlabor221cus bmp is just a raw dump of the memory context of a DC, and it does it that way :(
05:12.36scanlinethis isn't even a BMP, it's video data going into a DirectShow filter
05:12.49Patlabor221it's from the DC
05:12.55Patlabor221and that's the way the DC stores it
05:12.58Patlabor221it's horibly lame
05:13.04Patlabor221it's the MS "Standard"
05:13.28scanlinethis directshow filter stuff seems a little gstreamer-like though, which is neat
05:13.40scanlinebut it's what gstreamer would be if it was done with cOM
05:13.42scanlineer, COM
05:13.50purple_coweww
05:14.20scanlinehaha, silly USB cameras...
05:14.57scanlinein this app they have to go way out of their way to synchronize video from multiple cameras, whereas with firewire you can just start isochronous streams for both cameras and the frames are already synchronized
05:15.50scanlinebleh, all their member variables start with m_
05:16.03scanlineI've really come to like python's explicit self.* over C++'s implicit style
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