| 00:00.11 | Patlabor221 | that it will be |
| 00:00.11 | purple_cow | (of course this is all just speculation at this point ;) |
| 00:00.20 | Patlabor221 | be cool to set an auto hide height range |
| 00:00.29 | Patlabor221 | so that you can build "Up" |
| 00:00.37 | Patlabor221 | anthing out of the current range is auto hiden |
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| 00:00.45 | Grumbler | dang did it again... |
| 00:01.14 | bluedragon | hehe |
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| 00:03.01 | Grumbler | when i preview a map, its nice to quickly look and see all the shoot/drive/pass objects on a map......sometime/most of the time people forget a s/d/p on symmetric maps. |
| 00:03.24 | Patlabor221 | that would be a nice view filter |
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| 00:04.28 | Grumbler | even if the object glowed or something, its better than having it look the same. |
| 00:15.09 | Grumbler | guess nobody knows about the curl additions |
| 00:15.23 | bryjen | ask Tupone |
| 00:15.41 | Tupone | You guess right |
| 00:15.41 | Grumbler | danke |
| 00:16.15 | Grumbler | Tupone, guess that implies that cvs is not quite build-able yet? |
| 00:16.31 | Tupone | on which platform? |
| 00:16.35 | Grumbler | w32 |
| 00:17.05 | Tupone | I ask dtr to test it. I guess you can get libcurl for windows |
| 00:17.19 | Grumbler | ok, thnx |
| 00:17.44 | Tupone | no file added, just libcurl include and library |
| 00:18.08 | Tupone | http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/ |
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| 00:21.10 | bryjen | hmm |
| 00:21.36 | bryjen | checking for compress in -lz... yes |
| 00:21.38 | bryjen | checking for curl >= 7.9.7... ./configure: line 1: bc: command not found |
| 00:21.39 | bryjen | 7.10.3 |
| 00:21.41 | bryjen | checking for.... |
| 00:21.50 | learner | how large is libcurl source? |
| 00:22.07 | bryjen | what's bc? |
| 00:22.26 | JBdiGriz | a calculator program, available on most unix boxen |
| 00:23.12 | learner | whaa? no bc? |
| 00:23.48 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.56 | JBdiGriz | What os are you running? |
| 00:24.12 | Tupone | learner: 1104kb compressed |
| 00:24.15 | bryjen | Slackware 9 |
| 00:24.35 | JBdiGriz | It must be in one of the gnu util packages |
| 00:25.23 | learner | I need sushi shop I can order from on-line and have delivered to my door |
| 00:25.47 | bryjen | the whole shop? hungry much? |
| 00:25.48 | JBdiGriz | It would never be fresh enough |
| 00:25.49 | bryjen | ;) |
| 00:26.16 | bryjen | whoops |
| 00:27.19 | Tupone | configure seems using bc to convert from hex :) |
| 00:28.42 | bryjen | ah. it is its own package. "...bc is a utility included in the POSIX P1003.2/D11 draft standard...." I don't have it installed |
| 00:29.06 | JBdiGriz | need to check for that in configure ;) |
| 00:29.53 | Tupone | when you get a libcurl binary, get that SSL enabled |
| 00:31.07 | Grumbler | now you tell me... :) |
| 00:31.30 | Tupone | did you get the other :) |
| 00:31.35 | JBdiGriz | It builds and runs on the mac. |
| 00:32.23 | bryjen | I've got the curl package installed. OpenSSL too. |
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| 00:33.51 | bryjen | ldd shows libcurl.so.2 & libssl.so.0 in bzfs & bzflag. cool. It Just Works(tm). |
| 00:34.16 | learner | ~Tupone++ |
| 00:34.33 | Tupone | server list works with libcurl |
| 00:34.38 | Tupone | thanx learner |
| 00:37.05 | Tupone | ~karma learner |
| 00:37.05 | | learner has karma of 13 |
| 00:37.09 | Tupone | ~karma tupone |
| 00:37.09 | | tupone has karma of 13 |
| 00:37.34 | JBdiGriz | ~karma timriker |
| 00:37.34 | | timriker has karma of 23984793847 |
| 00:37.41 | JBdiGriz | ~timriker-- |
| 00:37.47 | JBdiGriz | ;) |
| 00:37.47 | your_dog | ~karma your_dog |
| 00:37.47 | | your_dog has neutral karma |
| 00:38.11 | your_dog | :P |
| 00:38.15 | Grumbler | time to rebuild |
| 00:38.21 | learner | ~karma TimRiker |
| 00:38.21 | | timriker has karma of 23984793846 |
| 00:38.24 | learner | heh |
| 00:38.51 | SportChick | heh |
| 00:39.04 | learner | probably would be easier to cycle that back to zero :) |
| 00:39.12 | SportChick | maybe we should delete some of tim's karma to put him more in range of the rest of y'all |
| 00:39.40 | SportChick | ~karma SportChick |
| 00:39.40 | | sportchick has karma of 8 |
| 00:39.45 | JBdiGriz | I'm not sure where or if it wraps. It probably just maxes out |
| 00:39.57 | Grumbler | i am surprized the karma bit is working now |
| 00:40.11 | JBdiGriz | It's always worked in ibot |
| 00:40.18 | orchid | ~karma orchid |
| 00:40.18 | | orchid has karma of 4 |
| 00:40.25 | Tupone | ~orchid++ |
| 00:40.30 | orchid | :) |
| 00:40.32 | Grumbler | really, it always reported zero before |
| 00:40.50 | your_dog | i think there's still something wrong with it ;) |
| 00:40.51 | JBdiGriz | nobody was using it. |
| 00:41.03 | your_dog | ~karma your_dog |
| 00:41.03 | | your_dog has neutral karma |
| 00:41.04 | learner | ~orchid++ |
| 00:41.10 | Tupone | ~orchid++ |
| 00:41.14 | orchid | hehe |
| 00:41.16 | SportChick | ~orchid++ |
| 00:41.20 | Grumbler | you are going to give her a big head.... |
| 00:41.24 | JBdiGriz | hmm, are learner and tupone writing the spawn code? |
| 00:41.25 | your_dog | ~orchid++ |
| 00:41.27 | your_dog | :) |
| 00:41.31 | learner | heh |
| 00:41.31 | orchid | ~karma orchid |
| 00:41.31 | | orchid has karma of 9 |
| 00:41.38 | your_dog | ~orchid++ |
| 00:41.42 | your_dog | now 10 :) |
| 00:41.44 | Grumbler | JBdiGriz, i believe mac was playing with that last night |
| 00:41.47 | your_dog | ~karma orchid |
| 00:41.47 | | orchid has karma of 10 |
| 00:41.50 | SportChick | ~orchid++ |
| 00:42.09 | SportChick | orchid's popUlahr! :) |
| 00:42.14 | orchid | is there a /reload command still? |
| 00:42.17 | learner | hrm.. didn't get my second one |
| 00:42.20 | learner | ~orchid++ |
| 00:42.25 | Tupone | ~orchid++ |
| 00:42.30 | learner | ~karma orchid |
| 00:42.30 | | orchid has karma of 13 |
| 00:42.36 | learner | there we go :) |
| 00:42.37 | orchid | :) |
| 00:42.39 | SportChick | ~orchid++ |
| 00:42.43 | learner | ~karma orchid |
| 00:42.43 | | orchid has karma of 14 |
| 00:42.47 | SportChick | now she's got more than learner |
| 00:42.49 | your_dog | hehe |
| 00:42.49 | Tupone | ~orchid++ |
| 00:42.53 | your_dog | i'm getting msgs from ibot :) |
| 00:42.55 | SportChick | ~karma learner |
| 00:42.55 | | learner has karma of 13 |
| 00:42.59 | SportChick | me too |
| 00:43.11 | your_dog | i don't think it's happy :) |
| 00:43.12 | SportChick | ~learner++ |
| 00:43.20 | SportChick | ibot's working hard! |
| 00:43.31 | SportChick | ~karma SportChick |
| 00:43.31 | | sportchick has karma of 8 |
| 00:43.38 | SportChick | heh...that's my highest ever |
| 00:43.46 | SportChick | ~karma your_dog |
| 00:43.46 | | your_dog has neutral karma |
| 00:43.53 | SportChick | ~your_dog++ |
| 00:44.01 | your_dog | awww :) |
| 00:44.08 | SportChick | ~your_dog++ |
| 00:44.13 | SportChick | ~karma your_dog |
| 00:44.13 | | your_dog has karma of 2 |
| 00:44.18 | SportChick | hmmmm |
| 00:44.27 | SportChick | ~your_dog++ |
| 00:44.34 | learner | JBdiGriz: MrAC's been working on spawning |
| 00:44.41 | your_dog | hehe, ty chick :) |
| 00:44.41 | learner | but on a map level |
| 00:44.47 | your_dog | (for the karma) |
| 00:45.03 | SportChick | no thanks for the serious face? |
| 00:45.28 | SportChick | rofl |
| 00:45.32 | your_dog | hehe |
| 00:46.52 | your_dog | hehehe |
| 00:47.59 | SportChick | LOL |
| 00:48.01 | JBdiGriz | ~dogma |
| 00:48.03 | | hmm... dogma is a mediocre KMFDM album or called a linux high |
| 00:48.09 | SportChick | is that a skirt or a kilt? |
| 00:48.21 | SportChick | I think it's a movie, too, isn't it? |
| 00:48.28 | your_dog | hmmm, dunno |
| 00:48.46 | your_dog | but don't y'all think i'd look good in a kilt with my boots, cowboy hat, and shotgun? :) |
| 00:48.57 | SportChick | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120655/ |
| 00:49.20 | JBdiGriz | ~soma |
| 00:49.21 | | Soma is a multithreaded, mostly HTTP/1.1-compliant Web server written in Java. URL: http://www.auntfloyd.com/~rob/files/soma-0.75.tar.gz |
| 00:49.55 | JBdiGriz | ~magma |
| 00:50.08 | SportChick | he doggie |
| 00:50.12 | SportChick | heH |
| 00:50.19 | your_dog | have y'all ever heard the song "Driving a Truck" by Weird Al? |
| 00:50.44 | SportChick | no, sorry |
| 00:51.17 | your_dog | k, just a sec |
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| 00:52.16 | pyrobunny | hello, could anyone who has used infobot pleez answer a question? |
| 00:52.21 | your_dog | http://www.leoslyrics.com/listlyrics.php?hid=jQUMUkLyS%2BA%3D |
| 00:52.31 | your_dog | visit that url, very funny lyrics :) |
| 00:53.12 | Grumbler | ~seen larls |
| 00:53.14 | | Grumbler: i haven't seen 'larls' |
| 00:53.24 | Grumbler | ~seen |ar|s |
| 00:53.25 | | i haven't seen '|ar|s', Grumbler |
| 00:53.32 | pyrobunny | ibot who are you? |
| 00:53.34 | | i guess ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 00:53.42 | learner | ~seen larsl |
| 00:53.43 | | larsl <~larsl@c213-100-50-18.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 14d 13h 54m 48s ago, saying: 'I tried editing the file ~/.kde/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies, but it didn't seem to work.'. |
| 00:54.00 | your_dog | you have to hear him sing it too, he sings it in such a deep voice...cracks me up everytime i hear it :) |
| 00:54.11 | pyrobunny | has anyone used infobot? |
| 00:54.33 | your_dog | not me, sorry |
| 00:54.43 | pyrobunny | ~seen pyrobunny |
| 00:54.45 | | pyrobunny is currently on #how (2m 50s) #bzflag (2m 50s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 2s |
| 00:55.07 | pyrobunny | why does it not show me on noodlebot or sesspool? |
| 00:55.30 | your_dog | are you talking about a whois? |
| 00:55.53 | pyrobunny | no... |
| 00:55.55 | pyrobunny | nvm |
| 00:56.09 | pyrobunny | I wish I knew how to fix this stupid thing... |
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| 01:04.50 | bryjen | ~karma orchid |
| 01:04.50 | | orchid has karma of 15 |
| 01:04.56 | your_dog | lol |
| 01:05.13 | Grumbler | poor thing is going to float away |
| 01:05.36 | your_dog | ~karma SportChick |
| 01:05.36 | | sportchick has karma of 8 |
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| 01:05.50 | bluedragon | hi |
| 01:05.57 | your_dog | ~SportChick++ |
| 01:06.11 | bluedragon | huh |
| 01:06.29 | michaelhhh | 18) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'curl/curl.h': ? |
| 01:06.35 | Grumbler | hahah |
| 01:06.45 | learner | michaelhhh: need to install libcurl now |
| 01:07.15 | michaelhhh | arg |
| 01:07.27 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.21 | bluedragon | hi carny |
| 01:08.23 | learner | drat.. curl is 6.1 megs |
| 01:08.28 | michaelhhh | curl up and die |
| 01:08.30 | michaelhhh | :) |
| 01:08.31 | Carnage | hi |
| 01:08.42 | learner | so I suppose you people would be opposed to including libcurl in our distribution? |
| 01:09.02 | learner | i.e. the libcurl sources themselves |
| 01:09.12 | michaelhhh | how large is that? |
| 01:09.14 | Grumbler | too ignorant for such a decision from me |
| 01:09.22 | michaelhhh | ditto |
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| 01:09.39 | michaelhhh | if it's 6 megs, isn't that a lot of source code? :) |
| 01:09.47 | learner | ooo.. lots of pdfs.. |
| 01:10.39 | michaelhhh | ssl or not ssl? |
| 01:10.42 | michaelhhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.00 | Grumbler | ssl |
| 01:11.38 | Grumbler | i just went through this michaelhhh, hence my "knowledge"... |
| 01:11.38 | michaelhhh | it says 684l |
| 01:11.39 | michaelhhh | k |
| 01:12.16 | learner | that's the binary.. i mean source |
| 01:12.36 | michaelhhh | ah so |
| 01:12.45 | learner | hrm.. docs are 1.6M so it's still like 4.4M or so |
| 01:13.06 | michaelhhh | what's the source of bz at now? |
| 01:13.16 | JBdiGriz | 17.5M |
| 01:13.30 | michaelhhh | i dunno |
| 01:13.45 | learner | personally, I have no problems until we star getting into the triple digit MBs |
| 01:14.11 | learner | but I know I'm in the minority :) |
| 01:14.17 | JBdiGriz | Then we need more bandwidth |
| 01:15.21 | michaelhhh | arg |
| 01:15.35 | michaelhhh | but we could turn it into a webserver then too right? |
| 01:15.50 | michaelhhh | and people won't have to download apache |
| 01:16.08 | michaelhhh | sorry -- can't help myself |
| 01:16.08 | JBdiGriz | Make sure we throw in all of the modules as well. |
| 01:16.16 | *** part/#bzflag bluedragon (bluedragon@pcp01492481pcs.tybout01.de.comcast.net) |
| 01:16.20 | michaelhhh | mod_bzflag |
| 01:20.56 | michaelhhh | *still* have the someone get tm to .. blah blah |
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| 01:21.36 | Grumbler | Build: 18 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped |
| 01:21.40 | Grumbler | whoohooo |
| 01:22.03 | michaelhhh | now we see if it crashes we you run it :) |
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| 01:22.35 | Grumbler | ~lart michaelhhh for being so negative |
| 01:23.06 | Grumbler | ARRRGGGGG |
| 01:23.08 | bluedragon | can anyone program bz clients |
| 01:23.26 | michaelhhh | here? no |
| 01:23.38 | bluedragon | okie doke |
| 01:23.43 | learner | bluedragon: what do you mean?? |
| 01:23.48 | michaelhhh | are you asking we can hook you up with a special kind of client? |
| 01:24.01 | michaelhhh | hint hint nudge nudge |
| 01:24.06 | Consus_Wise | lol |
| 01:24.06 | michaelhhh | wink wink |
| 01:24.20 | bluedragon | on my server i want to make a bot that dies after a set amount of shots |
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| 01:24.34 | bluedragon | like a world weapon bot |
| 01:24.34 | michaelhhh | sort of like that one movie |
| 01:25.46 | bluedragon | well can anyone |
| 01:26.27 | michaelhhh | libeay32.dll ???? |
| 01:26.36 | learner | so then your question really was: Will someone program a custom bz client for me? |
| 01:26.36 | Consus_Wise | anyone that know c..:\ |
| 01:26.36 | bluedragon | whats that mean |
| 01:26.45 | bluedragon | yes |
| 01:26.52 | learner | not I |
| 01:26.57 | learner | sorry |
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| 01:27.05 | bluedragon | u dont know c++ |
| 01:27.06 | Consus_Wise | i was responding to the dragons q.. |
| 01:27.12 | pyrobunny | heh |
| 01:27.17 | bluedragon | ahhh pyro |
| 01:27.28 | pyrobunny | I think he just might, I think you are issing the whole point |
| 01:27.35 | pyrobunny | *missing |
| 01:27.36 | bluedragon | ur mean |
| 01:27.40 | bluedragon | go away |
| 01:27.46 | bluedragon | stop harrassing me |
| 01:27.58 | learner | I haven't a clue how to program |
| 01:28.08 | bryjen | ~cluegun learner |
| 01:28.14 | | ACTION whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that learner is stuck to the floor |
| 01:28.15 | pyrobunny | I harrass you? |
| 01:28.19 | bluedragon | maybe jbot does |
| 01:28.20 | learner | I need a clue-by-four |
| 01:28.29 | bluedragon | i need help jbot |
| 01:28.32 | michaelhhh | doh libeay32.dll is the openssl dll |
| 01:28.38 | pyrobunny | jbot help |
| 01:28.43 | bryjen | ~cluebat michaelhhh |
| 01:28.49 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps michaelhhh. |
| 01:28.49 | bluedragon | jbot |
| 01:28.51 | pyrobunny | ~help |
| 01:28.54 | learner | there is no jbot here |
| 01:29.00 | bryjen | hehe. Thwap! |
| 01:29.01 | bluedragon | ibot |
| 01:29.01 | Consus_Wise | Trying to put together a few bzflag web pages and I want to know what you crazy bzflag fellows need to know ...:) |
| 01:29.45 | Consus_Wise | if anything;) |
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| 01:30.07 | michaelhhh | now I serve webpages |
| 01:30.07 | learner | need to know? |
| 01:30.24 | *** part/#bzflag pyrobunny (~mauddib@cpe-024-165-183-098.midsouth.rr.com) |
| 01:30.39 | learner | We're looking for someone to help redesign the main website |
| 01:30.40 | Consus_Wise | info i c a lot of questions on the forums and want to direct them to a tutorial.. |
| 01:30.50 | learner | at least style/graphics/layout-wise |
| 01:31.20 | learner | Consus_Wise, do you know of docbook? |
| 01:31.27 | Consus_Wise | well html is a hobby i just picked up im no pro:-( |
| 01:31.34 | Consus_Wise | learner:no |
| 01:31.42 | bluedragon | what other bz channels r their |
| 01:31.49 | Consus_Wise | bzleague is 1 |
| 01:31.58 | Consus_Wise | n*#bzleague |
| 01:32.42 | learner | Consus_Wise, I've started putting the existing documentation together in an htmlish format (called docbook) |
| 01:33.05 | learner | you can see some of it here: http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/doc/ |
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| 01:33.17 | learner | there are guides, howto's, and faq's |
| 01:33.20 | Consus_Wise | learner: hmm...cool i am guessing for bzflag? thats cool i have the same dream |
| 01:33.36 | michaelhhh | .. |
| 01:33.53 | learner | if you put together documentation, I can put them into the proper docbook formate |
| 01:34.10 | michaelhhh | word just won't do huh |
| 01:34.16 | michaelhhh | :) |
| 01:34.22 | learner | actually, word would be fine |
| 01:34.30 | bluedragon | *sigh* |
| 01:34.30 | Consus_Wise | ok thanks i is a work in progress |
| 01:34.31 | learner | I can copy and paste as good as the best of them :) |
| 01:34.38 | michaelhhh | heh |
| 01:34.51 | Consus_Wise | well i know html so that no biggy |
| 01:35.13 | learner | html is fine too :) especially if you don't intertwine any logic into it |
| 01:35.19 | Consus_Wise | lol |
| 01:35.29 | michaelhhh | javascript! |
| 01:35.43 | Consus_Wise | yeah my brother is learning java |
| 01:35.43 | learner | docbook is best, text is a close second best, html next, and everything else comes last -- in terms of preferred format |
| 01:35.48 | michaelhhh | or asp |
| 01:35.51 | michaelhhh | :) |
| 01:35.55 | Consus_Wise | nso me and him are going to start making site |
| 01:36.00 | Consus_Wise | *sites |
| 01:36.23 | Consus_Wise | it should be cool when we are done with it all |
| 01:37.09 | Consus_Wise | lol i keep adding "n" just got off bzflag so i am still in the mode |
| 01:38.45 | bryjen | n-sidious n-filtration n-to you miNd |
| 01:41.48 | bluedragon | oh |
| 01:43.12 | Consus | *steps out for a while |
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| 01:45.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o MrApathyCream] by ChanServ |
| 01:45.24 | your_dog | howdy MAC |
| 01:45.32 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 01:45.48 | your_dog | medium :) |
| 01:46.42 | Tupone | anyone got bzflag running with the new? |
| 01:47.04 | JBdiGriz | Tupone: the new sources? |
| 01:47.12 | Tupone | yeap |
| 01:47.16 | JBdiGriz | yes |
| 01:47.40 | Tupone | so you see the server list coming from curl? |
| 01:48.06 | JBdiGriz | I see the server list, I haven't verified that it's using curl, but I updated the sources about an hour ago. |
| 01:48.29 | Tupone | if they are the latest source, they are |
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| 01:50.40 | Tupone | any windowsmen did it? |
| 01:50.55 | MrApathyCream | curl.com ? |
| 01:50.57 | CIA-3 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Client no more refuse a flag from the server, even when jumping |
| 01:51.13 | MrApathyCream | curl.org? |
| 01:52.05 | michaelhhh | even good ones atupone? |
| 01:52.07 | bryjen | http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/ |
| 01:52.14 | MrApathyCream | danka |
| 01:52.16 | michaelhhh | never mind |
| 01:52.20 | Tupone | yeah, even good one |
| 01:52.34 | michaelhhh | my ssl download only had 2 dlls.. is that right? |
| 01:52.54 | Tupone | :( don't know |
| 01:53.01 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: if zones are used, don't worry about -sb |
| 01:53.43 | bluedragon | squish the bubbles |
| 01:54.02 | michaelhhh | so it would seem that sticking code into dlls was someone other than openssl people's decision, right? |
| 01:54.17 | learner | Mmm.. season finale to stargate sg1... |
| 01:54.19 | michaelhhh | or is that in their source tree as well? |
| 01:54.28 | MrApathyCream | do i want the ssl one, or the non-ssl one |
| 01:54.36 | Tupone | ssl |
| 01:54.58 | Tupone | not really used now, but it will |
| 01:56.01 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 01:57.07 | MrApathyCream | cool jump-grab flags, i like it |
| 01:57.50 | michaelhhh | doh I guess lib curls pages has links to the right libraries |
| 01:59.38 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: are you here? |
| 01:59.55 | Tupone | what you mean: right libraries? |
| 02:00.38 | michaelhhh | the right binary builds of open ssl for one |
| 02:00.42 | SportChick | okay, anyone? is there something that prevents me from connecting to a 1.11 server in bzadmin? |
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| 02:01.08 | michaelhhh | the one I downloaded first didn't have all the dlls |
| 02:01.40 | MrApathyCream | sigh, back to gaziillions of net errors |
| 02:02.38 | MrApathyCream | AudioMenu.cxx |
| 02:04.04 | Tupone | what's up with AudioMenu? |
| 02:04.47 | MrApathyCream | winsock collision errors |
| 02:04.55 | MrApathyCream | between winsock and winsock2 |
| 02:05.20 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/bzflag.dsp: |
| 02:05.22 | CIA-3 | Add libcurl.lib to build |
| 02:05.24 | CIA-3 | -Note: need to add lib dirs to tools/options/directories for both include and lib |
| 02:08.35 | Tupone | I have not changed anything regarding the net apart the introduction od libcurl, that use the net. So, .. some include files ? |
| 02:09.02 | MrApathyCream | apparently |
| 02:09.26 | Tupone | the only include is #include <curl/curl.h> |
| 02:09.38 | MrApathyCream | wow i don't see any |
| 02:09.46 | MrApathyCream | but not in AudioMenu.cxx |
| 02:10.15 | MrApathyCream | unless some other .h includes it |
| 02:10.42 | JBdiGriz | I get no warnings/errors in compiling AudioMenu.cxx |
| 02:12.18 | MrApathyCream | vc6? |
| 02:12.18 | michaelhhh | me neither |
| 02:12.20 | MrApathyCream | harumph |
| 02:13.57 | Tupone | it is included in AudioMenu.cxx. I'm looking at the gcc -E output. Still don't know how |
| 02:14.06 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 02:14.18 | MrApathyCream | curl includes winsock2.h |
| 02:14.22 | MrApathyCream | which should be right |
| 02:14.47 | Tupone | from ListServer.h |
| 02:15.00 | Tupone | which is included by others |
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| 02:16.33 | SportChick | okay, anyone? is there something that prevents me from connecting to a 1.11 server in bzadmin? |
| 02:16.53 | Tupone | AudioMenu.cxx -> AudioMenu.h -> MainMenu.h -> JoinMenu.h -> ServerMenu.h -> ListServer.h |
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| 02:22.03 | StargateSG1 | ouch |
| 02:22.24 | Tupone | SportChick: where you get the 1.11 version? |
| 02:23.11 | SportChick | well,the bzadmin is the same one I use with 1.10...I'm actually logging onto alinux machine through putty and using it |
| 02:23.55 | StargateSG1 | yum |
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| 02:24.38 | Tupone | SportChick: I think even in bzadmin there is a check for the version |
| 02:24.53 | SportChick | do yo know how? |
| 02:25.32 | Tupone | how to what? You need to get the newer one |
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| 02:28.03 | michaelhhh | What is this thing where the renderer is drawing a square ? |
| 02:28.04 | michaelhhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.04 | michaelhhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.21 | michaelhhh | and it just draws a square, but it's a bullet thingee |
| 02:28.49 | Tupone | I think is rendering a square with a lot of alpha channel |
| 02:29.04 | michaelhhh | and there's all this fancy stuff, but it only happens if we don't draw the square |
| 02:29.10 | michaelhhh | and I guess teh square looks nicer too |
| 02:29.22 | michaelhhh | so it draws the image |
| 02:29.28 | michaelhhh | or it draws a 3d thing? |
| 02:29.37 | Tupone | billboard is just 2d |
| 02:29.50 | michaelhhh | but I mean if it doesn't do the 2d thing it draws 3d stuff |
| 02:29.57 | purple_cow | a billboard is an image drawn on a camera-aligned quad |
| 02:30.06 | SportChick | how to check for version |
| 02:30.16 | SportChick | ~michaelhhh++ |
| 02:30.57 | michaelhhh | I think I am just right about it, it draws a 3d thing if it can't use the texturing/2d thing |
| 02:31.05 | michaelhhh | and the 3d thing is more complicated |
| 02:31.50 | purple_cow | michaelhhh: file/line? |
| 02:32.14 | michaelhhh | 274 boltscenenode.cxx |
| 02:32.23 | Tupone | if he can do the billboard, it just use that, it is less expensive i suppose and rendering quality is high |
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| 02:33.05 | michaelhhh | I was just surprised the more complicated thing isn't used, except in lesser rendering |
| 02:33.13 | purple_cow | michaelhhh: on line 238 it sets up the current matrix such that the axes are camera-aligned |
| 02:33.28 | purple_cow | indentation is kind of fubar |
| 02:33.51 | StargateSG1 | mmm tipsy |
| 02:34.07 | michaelhhh | You can just see how much more code they put into the 3d version |
| 02:34.41 | purple_cow | huh? |
| 02:34.54 | StargateSG1 | yum drink |
| 02:35.03 | purple_cow | ohh, you're comparing that with the code below? (if BZDBCache::blend) |
| 02:35.04 | michaelhhh | so it's like some sort of sprite isn't it |
| 02:35.08 | michaelhhh | yes |
| 02:35.12 | purple_cow | michaelhhh: exactly |
| 02:35.22 | purple_cow | if it can do textures, it's easy - just one quad w/ alpha |
| 02:35.32 | purple_cow | if it can't, it needs to do a real 3d object |
| 02:44.52 | Tupone | gnite all |
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| 02:49.01 | CIA-3 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/README.MINGW32: clarify |
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| 02:51.23 | MrApathyCream | hmmm libcurl is hosin' me |
| 02:51.38 | DTRemenak | MAC: how so? |
| 02:51.42 | michaelhhh | you're on windows aren't you? |
| 02:51.49 | MrApathyCream | the dang winsock/winsock2 name collisions |
| 02:51.54 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:51.59 | DTRemenak | again? |
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| 02:52.01 | michaelhhh | vc ++ 6 or 7 ? |
| 02:52.02 | MrApathyCream | thousands |
| 02:52.03 | MrApathyCream | 6 |
| 02:52.10 | michaelhhh | huh |
| 02:52.12 | DTRemenak | gooness |
| 02:52.23 | michaelhhh | plain old 6 / not the updated one? |
| 02:52.30 | MrApathyCream | i have a later sdk |
| 02:52.37 | michaelhhh | I don't :) |
| 02:53.14 | DTRemenak | MAC, that SDK is killing you :) |
| 02:53.20 | MrApathyCream | 1125 errors |
| 02:53.41 | michaelhhh | holy crap |
| 02:53.44 | CIA-3 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: use strncpy instead of strcpy when dealing with fixed size buffer |
| 02:53.53 | Patlabor221 | death to the socket of win |
| 02:54.12 | Patlabor221 | or move net into it's own dll |
| 02:54.14 | Patlabor221 | then just use the bz interface |
| 02:54.23 | Patlabor221 | and the core dosn't have to include winsoc |
| 02:54.50 | DTRemenak | yes...net stuff should be in platform if you ask me, abstracted |
| 02:55.22 | DTRemenak | 'twould clean some other stuff up a bunch too |
| 02:55.28 | Patlabor221 | make it so |
| 02:55.49 | michaelhhh | engage! |
| 02:55.50 | DTRemenak | soon as I get some time, I intend to :) |
| 02:56.01 | DTRemenak | got joystick out of the way |
| 02:56.49 | Patlabor221 | full plate and packing steel |
| 02:57.21 | DTRemenak | sheesh, I shoulda gotten the libcurl without ssl...openssl is like 2mb |
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| 02:57.59 | MrApathyCream | i wish the listing option would work even if the compile failed |
| 02:58.07 | MrApathyCream | it's impossible to tell where winsock.h is included |
| 02:58.38 | DTRemenak | find in files: winsock.h :) |
| 02:59.03 | MrApathyCream | prolly in a system header somewhere |
| 02:59.08 | MrApathyCream | and we didn't set some define |
| 02:59.41 | DTRemenak | ugh |
| 03:00.05 | MrApathyCream | xactly |
| 03:00.49 | MrApathyCream | well, i guess i'll go comforted by the fact that Patlabor221 always fixes these kind of problems |
| 03:00.50 | Patlabor221 | I think it's time for a burito |
| 03:01.01 | Patlabor221 | naw man burito |
| 03:01.03 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 03:01.30 | Patlabor221 | I don't even have lib curl? |
| 03:01.37 | DTRemenak | awesome, libcurl works right :) |
| 03:01.37 | Patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 03:01.39 | michaelhhh | and you also need openssl |
| 03:01.44 | MrApathyCream | ftp lib |
| 03:01.46 | MrApathyCream | i think |
| 03:01.48 | DTRemenak | only if you grab the ssl version |
| 03:01.56 | DTRemenak | no, all url transfer, plus ftp and http |
| 03:01.57 | Patlabor221 | so we are a ftp client? |
| 03:02.07 | Patlabor221 | what are we transfering? |
| 03:02.08 | DTRemenak | no: we're using it for the server list...http |
| 03:02.10 | michaelhhh | and a web client too :) |
| 03:02.18 | Patlabor221 | auto updates? |
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| 03:02.25 | DTRemenak | and I think tupone has bigger plans for it |
| 03:02.28 | DTRemenak | like that, maybe |
| 03:02.34 | michaelhhh | we shall be interfacing with windows update soon |
| 03:02.35 | Patlabor221 | then he can make it work |
| 03:02.46 | Patlabor221 | yay for planing |
| 03:02.55 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 03:02.59 | michaelhhh | if it makes the file bigger it must be good! |
| 03:03.15 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:03.19 | Patlabor221 | I go now |
| 03:03.22 | Patlabor221 | I look for things |
| 03:03.23 | MrApathyCream | pat ready to start over with me? |
| 03:03.25 | Patlabor221 | things that make me go |
| 03:03.27 | michaelhhh | oh yee of little faith |
| 03:03.39 | Patlabor221 | I allready started over |
| 03:03.44 | Patlabor221 | you didn't want to play |
| 03:03.50 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:03.54 | MrApathyCream | i would |
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| 03:04.00 | Patlabor221 | gonna do it all in UT2 engine now |
| 03:04.09 | MrApathyCream | but i would just piss you off |
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| 03:04.18 | MrApathyCream | being small minded |
| 03:04.25 | MrApathyCream | gtg |
| 03:04.42 | Patlabor221 | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/ut2004/screens.html?page=86 |
| 03:04.55 | Patlabor221 | how does that look? |
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| 03:06.30 | DTRemenak | off to eat dinner |
| 03:10.08 | Patlabor221 | how bout if BZ looked like this? http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/ut2004/screens.html?page=47 |
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| 03:30.45 | fiberchunks | what kind of PC requirements for UT? |
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| 03:47.33 | learner | MMmmm... probably should sign off now veofer I get startd |
| 03:47.46 | Patlabor221 | is it drinkin time? |
| 03:48.16 | learner | it IS! |
| 03:48.34 | Patlabor221 | you can't sign off, I want your honest drunken opinion on what the perfect tank game would be |
| 03:48.53 | your_dog | lol |
| 03:49.24 | Patlabor221 | then bring it on |
| 03:49.54 | learner | MMmmm yum |
| 03:51.11 | learner | perfect tank tamg .. beautfil code perfect optimezd |
| 03:51.17 | Patlabor221 | I mean in game |
| 03:51.31 | learner | boom |
| 03:51.34 | Patlabor221 | woudl you wory about software people? |
| 03:51.35 | learner | tanks go boom |
| 03:51.38 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:51.42 | Patlabor221 | yes I get the boom |
| 03:52.00 | learner | software? I fun software |
| 03:52.04 | learner | era ru n |
| 03:52.10 | Patlabor221 | software rendering |
| 03:52.17 | learner | Mmm. slow |
| 03:52.41 | Patlabor221 | I am going to make a post on BZBB asking the same thing |
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| 03:52.49 | Patlabor221 | I want to see what whacky ideas people have |
| 03:52.52 | learner | bzbb good stuff |
| 03:53.01 | learner | much talky |
| 03:53.17 | Patlabor221 | sounds like learner is faking badly |
| 03:53.19 | learner | cept for arguing |
| 03:53.37 | fiberchunks | hello |
| 03:53.38 | fiberchunks | again |
| 03:53.43 | Patlabor221 | what up G |
| 03:53.43 | learner | Fiberrrrr |
| 03:53.49 | your_dog | howdy fiber |
| 03:53.52 | fiberchunks | what's up with the little mini-jump on hix maps? |
| 03:54.02 | learner | tanks not jump |
| 03:54.03 | Patlabor221 | high grav |
| 03:54.14 | learner | mabe |
| 03:54.27 | learner | low graviyt no? |
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| 03:54.44 | learner | orky.. |
| 03:54.45 | fiberchunks | learner, if that's you, what the hell have you been drinkin? :) |
| 03:54.51 | learner | Mmm.. good stuf |
| 03:54.52 | Patlabor221 | he's faking |
| 03:55.01 | fiberchunks | ur 2 kul |
| 03:55.16 | learner | lots of wine and |
| 03:55.18 | Patlabor221 | what would your perfect tank game be fiber |
| 03:55.38 | learner | whats name of stuff in drink? |
| 03:55.43 | fiberchunks | much like bzflag, 'cept with aiming (i.e. more complex controls), ramps -- and much better looking |
| 03:55.48 | CIA-3 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/playing.cxx common/StateDatabase.cxx): take advantage of some existing defines in win32.h to eliminate some ugly #ifdefs |
| 03:56.00 | fiberchunks | perhaps more different game types, but I can't think of any off the top of my head |
| 03:56.06 | learner | orange somthing |
| 03:56.34 | learner | hrm |
| 03:56.46 | fiberchunks | slice? you're drinking slice? whadda pansy ;) |
| 03:56.53 | learner | heh |
| 03:56.54 | learner | no |
| 03:57.46 | learner | 50$ goes in drink |
| 03:57.57 | learner | proof |
| 03:58.04 | learner | hrm |
| 03:58.05 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221, I think that a game where elevation turret controls are controlled either by the joystick or wheel in the mouse would be awesome -- also, a very nice input control set for those of us who use 'alternate' methods (like all keyboard play :) ) |
| 03:58.47 | fiberchunks | one of my pet peeves, I've noticed, with various games, is the complete inability (or borken-ness) of remapping control inputs |
| 03:59.06 | Patlabor221 | the mouse is the defacto ruleer of aiming controlls |
| 03:59.25 | fiberchunks | indeed, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to use kjim for my aiming inputs |
| 03:59.32 | fiberchunks | or something along those lines |
| 03:59.32 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 04:00.09 | fiberchunks | personally, I think the numpad is far more intuitive for a tank like game, but then, I'm an old 'keyboard-only' flightsim type of person |
| 04:00.36 | Patlabor221 | ever play a FPS game with just keys? |
| 04:00.45 | fiberchunks | esp, if the tank steers like a regular tank (i.e. press right forward, left backward for quick-spin) |
| 04:00.55 | fiberchunks | I play bz that way -- does it count ? |
| 04:01.28 | fiberchunks | or you mean like a doom-style game |
| 04:01.31 | Patlabor221 | any ones with more aming |
| 04:01.38 | fiberchunks | lemme think a bit |
| 04:01.41 | Patlabor221 | any FPS game with veritcal controll |
| 04:01.50 | Patlabor221 | the doom ones are just one kind |
| 04:02.01 | fiberchunks | yeah, I believe I played doom that way eons ago -- also wolfenstein, and duke nukem |
| 04:02.15 | Patlabor221 | multiplayer? |
| 04:02.28 | fiberchunks | been a long time since I've really gotten into fps games though |
| 04:02.31 | fiberchunks | lan, yes |
| 04:02.34 | DTRemenak | no vertical aiming in those tho - not till quake |
| 04:02.45 | fiberchunks | oh, jumping, yeah |
| 04:02.50 | fiberchunks | so I guess not, no |
| 04:03.37 | fiberchunks | see, I like to use my left hand for steering, and my right for 'other things' -- I'm a touch typist, and the mouse hurts my wrist |
| 04:03.56 | fiberchunks | I suppose I could get myself a trackball, or a joystick, but bz don't support joys yet |
| 04:04.14 | Patlabor221 | 1.11 does |
| 04:04.15 | fiberchunks | numpad == right, regulars == left |
| 04:04.20 | fiberchunks | goody |
| 04:04.42 | Patlabor221 | what kind of changes to gameplay? |
| 04:04.48 | fiberchunks | ramps |
| 04:05.09 | Patlabor221 | that is a world feature |
| 04:05.11 | fiberchunks | perhaps better obstacles |
| 04:05.14 | Patlabor221 | not part of the gmae |
| 04:05.17 | Patlabor221 | game |
| 04:05.17 | fiberchunks | define gameplay then |
| 04:05.23 | Patlabor221 | what you do to win |
| 04:05.50 | fiberchunks | oh -- like I said, I like the current features, but I haven't really put that much thought into new styles |
| 04:05.54 | Patlabor221 | CTF and DM are the 2 tameplay types that are had now |
| 04:06.04 | fiberchunks | DM? |
| 04:06.08 | Patlabor221 | DeathMatch |
| 04:06.15 | Patlabor221 | and that a messed up CTC |
| 04:06.56 | your_dog | very quiet on #bzleague :-/ |
| 04:07.23 | fiberchunks | see, I don't know if this would work, but perhaps a more laggish / real-world type of tank battle (for the pure strategists) -- like the octagonal board games of old, but faster |
| 04:07.54 | fiberchunks | perhaps something akin to ghost recon, where you could singularly control a squad of tanks |
| 04:07.54 | learner | tripel sec! |
| 04:07.59 | learner | triple |
| 04:07.59 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:08.09 | fiberchunks | you drink that straight? you're odd |
| 04:08.11 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 04:08.15 | learner | wine |
| 04:08.16 | learner | too |
| 04:08.20 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:08.38 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221, those 2 suggestions make any sense in a bz-ish context? |
| 04:09.16 | fiberchunks | headset capability would be nice -- free up the need to fiddle with keys to type msgs to teams and what not -- dunno how you'd filter it for content (if necessary) |
| 04:09.25 | Patlabor221 | it takes it from an action game to a RTS |
| 04:09.27 | fiberchunks | would also require broadband in that instance |
| 04:10.09 | fiberchunks | well, I was thinking more a merging of the two, rather than conversion -- better strategy, but fast gameplay (I think ghost recon is pretty fast gameplay, in hard mode) |
| 04:10.17 | Patlabor221 | would it look all cool like this? |
| 04:10.17 | Patlabor221 | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/ut2004/screens.html?page=47 |
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| 04:10.21 | Death_Barrel | hi fiber! |
| 04:10.25 | fiberchunks | hello |
| 04:10.25 | Death_Barrel | man long time no see |
| 04:10.38 | fiberchunks | it _must_ look like that :) |
| 04:10.52 | fiberchunks | I love that screenshot -- cept with your model |
| 04:11.04 | Patlabor221 | I think that's a very good model there |
| 04:11.21 | Patlabor221 | what model of mine are you refering too |
| 04:11.23 | Patlabor221 | I have nothing that good |
| 04:11.25 | fiberchunks | oh, it is, but I like the 'hover-tank' type of concept |
| 04:11.30 | fiberchunks | the one you spent hard cash on |
| 04:11.35 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 04:11.40 | Patlabor221 | it needs a new texture |
| 04:12.31 | fiberchunks | turret movement and aiming I would love to see |
| 04:12.36 | fiberchunks | absolutely love to see |
| 04:13.14 | fiberchunks | the ability to jump servers would be awesome too -- or multi-layered worlds, like 3d chess |
| 04:13.31 | learner | too many windws |
| 04:13.35 | Patlabor221 | why would server jumps be nice? |
| 04:13.36 | fiberchunks | I suppose you can do that now -- but I mean like the ability to play 3 different game types within one server |
| 04:13.45 | Patlabor221 | rooms |
| 04:13.56 | fiberchunks | I suppose so |
| 04:14.14 | Patlabor221 | do you just mean change game types with out haveing to log on and off? |
| 04:14.45 | fiberchunks | yeah, picture teleportation to a 'higher level' (in concept only), but it's now CTF instead of FFA -- mind-bending crap like that |
| 04:15.01 | Patlabor221 | that would mess up gameplay and scoring |
| 04:15.08 | Patlabor221 | woudl you keep the score? |
| 04:15.23 | Patlabor221 | what's to prevent people from hiding on another server to avoid a shot? |
| 04:15.27 | Patlabor221 | then poping back? |
| 04:15.35 | fiberchunks | valid tactic |
| 04:15.48 | Patlabor221 | seems chickn sh*t to me |
| 04:16.34 | Patlabor221 | if they went to another room they would need to leave the game |
| 04:16.38 | fiberchunks | well, the one thing that strikes me about bz, is the difficulty in organizing any sort of tactical movement amongst different players ... hence the ability to control a mass of tanks by yourself |
| 04:16.40 | Patlabor221 | the sore based game state |
| 04:16.53 | Patlabor221 | or just better bots |
| 04:16.58 | Patlabor221 | that is what UT does |
| 04:17.05 | Patlabor221 | put in some good bots to fill in team gaps |
| 04:17.20 | Patlabor221 | bots kicked our asses today |
| 04:17.22 | fiberchunks | like, the ability for flanking maneuvers would be nice |
| 04:17.28 | fiberchunks | and so on |
| 04:17.40 | Patlabor221 | the bots broke down into little 3 man fire teams and took our powerstation :( |
| 04:17.48 | fiberchunks | oh, now that's sweet |
| 04:18.01 | Patlabor221 | UT bots are damn near human |
| 04:18.09 | learner | tanky time |
| 04:18.35 | fiberchunks | I think personally, that the current bz gameplay is so fast (or the worlds so small), that it's hard to organize any sort of meaningful strategy amongst players without getting yer arse blown to bits |
| 04:19.03 | fiberchunks | if it took a while to cross a world, that might alleviate some of it, but it would also appeal to a different audience as well |
| 04:19.44 | fiberchunks | oh, here's one -- armor and damage -- also ammo counter |
| 04:19.45 | Patlabor221 | the worlds are definatly small |
| 04:20.10 | Patlabor221 | so basily you want a quake mod with tank models :) |
| 04:20.10 | fiberchunks | and ammo dumps to go with the ammo counter |
| 04:20.51 | fiberchunks | well, armor and damage instead of just being blown to shreds on one shot -- different weapons have different weights as opposed to now, where one shot with anything kills you (cept with SH) |
| 04:21.13 | Patlabor221 | sounds like some games I have played |
| 04:21.25 | fiberchunks | and everything has an ammo limit |
| 04:21.55 | fiberchunks | these are just off the top of my brain, no real thought mind you -- but you asked :) |
| 04:22.11 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 04:22.20 | Patlabor221 | generaly those ideas are what people really want |
| 04:22.24 | Patlabor221 | off the top of the head |
| 04:22.44 | fiberchunks | a better radar / HUD would be nice for sure |
| 04:23.03 | fiberchunks | primarily in the contrast regions, but the 3 level of the radar has always irked me |
| 04:23.53 | fiberchunks | how bout this -- manable bases -- drive your tank in, and you have more ammo at your disposal, as well as more powerful weapons? |
| 04:24.10 | Patlabor221 | still sounds familiar :) |
| 04:24.21 | fiberchunks | I'm sure it does -- you play a lot more games than me :) |
| 04:24.36 | fiberchunks | I mostly stick to bz and golf :) |
| 04:24.41 | fiberchunks | oh, and pitfall |
| 04:24.59 | fiberchunks | tekken, things like that -- not a real big fps type of person |
| 04:26.13 | fiberchunks | gameplay -- how bout this: perhaps a 'mission' type of server, where the gameplay changes based on missions you must do - the worlds would have to be huge, and the ability to rise up and down on terrain I think would be necessary |
| 04:26.36 | Patlabor221 | like something called "assult" ? |
| 04:26.56 | fiberchunks | for example: a defend the base mission for the opposing team only (i.e. red), and all the greens must get to their base -- the reds have no need to capture the green flag -- just defend their base |
| 04:27.12 | fiberchunks | I suppose, yes, but it could be extended past just simple assault |
| 04:27.18 | Patlabor221 | then on the next round the teams swap? |
| 04:27.30 | fiberchunks | sure, and then the strategy changes entirely |
| 04:27.31 | Patlabor221 | and sometimes one team has to escape |
| 04:27.35 | fiberchunks | sure |
| 04:27.38 | Patlabor221 | and the other has to stop them |
| 04:27.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah assult |
| 04:28.09 | Patlabor221 | or where you run thru a high speed convoy of trucks jumping from truck to truck to steal a set of missles back |
| 04:28.19 | fiberchunks | but also say -- 'defend the convoy' with little bot trucks and tanks do their thing, you gotta protect em |
| 04:28.27 | fiberchunks | oh yeah, the possibilities are endless |
| 04:28.30 | Patlabor221 | assult |
| 04:28.34 | fiberchunks | even historical missions |
| 04:28.48 | Patlabor221 | balhh a history |
| 04:29.16 | fiberchunks | they don't have to be specifically historical -- but you could incorporate their strategy into some form of gameplay |
| 04:29.24 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:29.37 | Patlabor221 | well basicly your describing features in all the current FPS games |
| 04:29.40 | fiberchunks | of course you're always going to have one on the defensive, and one on the offensive, otherwise, it'd be 'sit and stare at each other' ;) |
| 04:30.00 | Patlabor221 | you would like "domination" |
| 04:30.06 | Patlabor221 | map has N fixed flag points |
| 04:30.10 | fiberchunks | that a game, or a style of play? |
| 04:30.15 | Patlabor221 | style |
| 04:30.17 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:30.20 | Patlabor221 | each flag starts as colorless |
| 04:30.28 | Patlabor221 | changes to the team that last tougched it |
| 04:30.40 | fiberchunks | kinda like a checkpoint run type of thing |
| 04:30.43 | Patlabor221 | teams get 1 point every 15 seconds for each flag they hold |
| 04:30.52 | Patlabor221 | more then that |
| 04:30.57 | Patlabor221 | you can tag a flag |
| 04:31.08 | Patlabor221 | set it to red ( your team) |
| 04:31.13 | Patlabor221 | you move on to the next |
| 04:31.20 | Patlabor221 | I come in and hit the same flag and make it bule |
| 04:31.39 | Patlabor221 | when the 15 second "tick" hits, the flags are counted, points added |
| 04:31.45 | Patlabor221 | game goes to a specific score |
| 04:32.03 | Patlabor221 | lots and lots of running in mad dashes to get as many flag in your color as posible :) |
| 04:32.05 | fiberchunks | oh, that is cool |
| 04:32.09 | Patlabor221 | it's incredibly fun |
| 04:32.22 | fiberchunks | I'd like to see that in bz in the near future in fact |
| 04:32.35 | Patlabor221 | can't change base colors |
| 04:32.40 | Patlabor221 | and don't have static flags |
| 04:32.50 | fiberchunks | well yes, but I can dream :) |
| 04:32.52 | Patlabor221 | and maps can't define map spawns yet |
| 04:33.02 | Patlabor221 | well yes that is the point of all this, to dream |
| 04:33.08 | fiberchunks | a 'safe zone' would be nice, indeed |
| 04:33.18 | Patlabor221 | subspace had those |
| 04:33.24 | fiberchunks | as well as more world items (like conveyor) and things of that nature |
| 04:33.30 | Patlabor221 | you can't be shot, or shoot whilst in them |
| 04:33.37 | CIA-3 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't crash bzfs if an ultra-long invalid command is sent |
| 04:33.37 | Patlabor221 | and there is a time limit to how long you can stay |
| 04:33.41 | fiberchunks | yeah, good pause zones, with idle kick times |
| 04:33.43 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 04:34.35 | fiberchunks | I think that first and foremost, I would still love to see aiming and terrain ability in the current bz (or whatever game), over all other things |
| 04:34.44 | fiberchunks | except perhaps for a couple new game styles |
| 04:35.09 | fiberchunks | ffa is old, and CTF drives me mad sometimes (the inability to actually act as a team, primarily) |
| 04:35.32 | Patlabor221 | FFA is not really FFA |
| 04:35.45 | fiberchunks | indeed, else everyone would be rogue |
| 04:35.46 | Patlabor221 | FFA is really what the rest of the world calls Team DeathMatch |
| 04:35.51 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:36.14 | Patlabor221 | rouges in CTF make no sense to me |
| 04:36.18 | fiberchunks | how long does it take now to cross a world? |
| 04:36.20 | Patlabor221 | it's just asking for greefers |
| 04:36.24 | fiberchunks | 8 seconds? |
| 04:36.32 | Patlabor221 | the maps are 800 units |
| 04:36.38 | fiberchunks | I think a 20 seconds crossing time would be nice |
| 04:36.44 | Patlabor221 | tanks move at like 35 units a second or something |
| 04:36.49 | fiberchunks | with well-defined spawn areas |
| 04:37.13 | fiberchunks | and a brief 'safety' period (like 5 seconds |
| 04:37.19 | Patlabor221 | 2 |
| 04:37.26 | Patlabor221 | anymore is anoying |
| 04:37.35 | fiberchunks | whatever -- server configurable :) |
| 04:37.36 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see worlds that are more then just a plane with stuff |
| 04:37.47 | fiberchunks | right -- absolutely agree |
| 04:38.06 | Patlabor221 | and the tanks have to turn into giant robots before they can jump :) |
| 04:38.18 | fiberchunks | heh, transformers :) |
| 04:39.08 | fiberchunks | oh, I have always liked mechwarriors and things of that nature -- so gameplay along those lines would be awesome as well |
| 04:39.14 | fiberchunks | but that would be a different game :) |
| 04:39.27 | fiberchunks | like armored core |
| 04:40.20 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 04:40.22 | Patlabor221 | a good game |
| 04:40.42 | CIA-3 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: don't crash bzfs if an ultra-long invalid help command is sent either |
| 04:40.57 | *** join/#bzflag MrAC (MAC@balt-209-163-102-241.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 04:40.57 | Patlabor221 | but realy all FPS games do share some common ground |
| 04:40.59 | fiberchunks | torsos twisting, arms flinging about -- now there's some thouroughly confusing control mechanisms :) |
| 04:41.07 | fiberchunks | they would have to, I imagine |
| 04:41.12 | Patlabor221 | actulay it's the exact same as your tank |
| 04:41.19 | Patlabor221 | torso is a turret |
| 04:41.24 | Patlabor221 | just add a sidestep |
| 04:41.58 | fiberchunks | yes, but you can run in a different direction than you're shooting, and have your torso aimed in an entirely different direction for your next shot |
| 04:42.01 | Patlabor221 | the bigest question is, do you allow the thing to move a difrent dir then your gun is facing |
| 04:42.01 | fiberchunks | imho |
| 04:42.08 | Patlabor221 | full turret motion would allow that |
| 04:42.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:42.27 | Patlabor221 | a tank should allow that too |
| 04:42.30 | fiberchunks | absolutely -- a tank is not a tank without a moving turret :) |
| 04:42.35 | fiberchunks | otherwise, it's an APC |
| 04:42.42 | fiberchunks | with a big gun :) |
| 04:42.53 | Patlabor221 | so once you solve that problem of controll, then it's no difrent for a tank or a mech |
| 04:43.05 | Patlabor221 | just a taller tank |
| 04:43.26 | fiberchunks | definitely multiple weapons per tank, with ammo for each weapon (that's one thing I would love in bz) |
| 04:44.08 | Patlabor221 | how bout an anoucher that says "unstopbable" when you take out 3 people in a row? :) |
| 04:44.19 | fiberchunks | I saw that post from you earlier :) |
| 04:44.22 | fiberchunks | godlike! |
| 04:44.50 | fiberchunks | oo, oo, minefields |
| 04:44.52 | Patlabor221 | well that takes more then 3 |
| 04:45.03 | fiberchunks | I would hope so :) |
| 04:45.19 | fiberchunks | countermeasures -- must have countermeasures |
| 04:45.48 | Patlabor221 | to counter what? |
| 04:45.57 | CIA-3 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: don't crash bzfs if an ultra-long password is sent to /setpass either |
| 04:45.58 | fiberchunks | heh, you could buy a 'hardening' modifier, that decreases your susceptibility to EMP |
| 04:47.05 | fiberchunks | for example now: 'deflector' to counter laser, 'chaff' to counter GM, etc, etc (but without flag-ness, i.e. no cloak necessary, and you aren't impervious to the weapon (like with cloak), but can momentarily disable it's effect on you) |
| 04:47.21 | Patlabor221 | you sure you've never played subspace? |
| 04:47.27 | fiberchunks | never |
| 04:47.44 | fiberchunks | I really don't game that much, cept for bz and golf, honest :) |
| 04:48.12 | fiberchunks | that, and the lack of games on linux while I was using it exclusively -- just never played |
| 04:48.26 | fiberchunks | it was a shame that Loki up and died -- I was really looking forward to their stuff |
| 04:49.33 | Patlabor221 | UT2k4 is on linux |
| 04:49.36 | fiberchunks | other world items would definitely be good -- sand, water, more atmospheric effects: corrosion |
| 04:49.43 | Patlabor221 | if you want strategy play onslaugt mode |
| 04:49.46 | fiberchunks | I know -- I'm getting the win installer now |
| 04:49.49 | Patlabor221 | it's insane |
| 04:49.58 | Patlabor221 | there is a linuxdemo too |
| 04:50.01 | fiberchunks | prob play it this weekend |
| 04:50.02 | *** join/#bzflag LiL_dOg (~1811e8df@server24.greatnet.de) |
| 04:50.07 | LiL_dOg | hi all |
| 04:50.17 | Patlabor221 | sup G |
| 04:50.21 | fiberchunks | lo |
| 04:50.36 | LiL_dOg | hey pat |
| 04:50.45 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 04:51.00 | fiberchunks | tank-ball -- much like polo, but with tanks -- there's an idea :) |
| 04:51.25 | fiberchunks | bases are converted into goals, you can shoot or run into the ball to move it |
| 04:51.31 | Patlabor221 | bombing run |
| 04:51.32 | fiberchunks | that would be neat :) |
| 04:51.36 | Patlabor221 | one flag CTF with passing |
| 04:51.38 | LiL_dOg | im going to start a forum of what people will do when the rank up |
| 04:51.41 | LiL_dOg | kay pat? |
| 04:51.48 | fiberchunks | what? |
| 04:52.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o learner] by learner |
| 04:52.25 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Legoguy@c-67-162-44-243.client.comcast.net) |
| 04:52.25 | Patlabor221 | a forum? |
| 04:52.31 | Patlabor221 | you mean a topic? |
| 04:52.38 | LiL_dOg | ya |
| 04:52.39 | Patlabor221 | where are you going to put it? |
| 04:52.44 | fiberchunks | chat |
| 04:53.00 | LiL_dOg | players? |
| 04:53.02 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 04:53.03 | Patlabor221 | in chat |
| 04:53.06 | LiL_dOg | or a different one? |
| 04:53.09 | Patlabor221 | like fiber says |
| 04:53.17 | Patlabor221 | remember BZBB is not a chatroom |
| 04:53.28 | Patlabor221 | it's just a message board people check every so often |
| 04:53.38 | Patlabor221 | you don't have to be constantly posting |
| 04:53.46 | Patlabor221 | but if you want to, just slap it in chat, no harm there |
| 04:54.16 | LiL_dOg | you said (and i quot) "if you want make a chat forum about what you will do when you get to a high rank." |
| 04:54.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah and I said you can do it in the chat forum |
| 04:54.38 | Patlabor221 | no harm there |
| 04:54.39 | fiberchunks | ooo, Patlabor221, here's another -- how bout ranking within game, and that ranking determines 'controlable-ness' of others on team (think sergeant, general, colonel, etc) |
| 04:54.51 | Patlabor221 | and that wasn't really directed at you personaly, just in general |
| 04:54.56 | Patlabor221 | that one went way off topic |
| 04:54.57 | LiL_dOg | i dont get it pat |
| 04:55.05 | fiberchunks | put it here: http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewforum.php?f=21 |
| 04:55.15 | Patlabor221 | I don't think that people really want to find out what gebil will do when he gets to the next rank |
| 04:55.15 | fiberchunks | create a new topic, and there you go |
| 04:55.18 | Patlabor221 | it'll take him ages |
| 04:55.21 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 04:55.24 | LiL_dOg | o cool |
| 04:55.28 | LiL_dOg | a chat forrum |
| 04:55.32 | LiL_dOg | >:)) |
| 04:55.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's at the bottom |
| 04:55.36 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 04:55.43 | Patlabor221 | just make a topic in there |
| 04:55.50 | Patlabor221 | fiber define "controll" ? |
| 04:55.52 | LiL_dOg | im good at being a chaterbox |
| 04:55.56 | fiberchunks | oh yes, Patlabor221 your penny-arcade link was spot on btw |
| 04:56.01 | LiL_dOg | *chatter |
| 04:56.05 | Patlabor221 | LiL_dOg: that's not allways a good quality |
| 04:56.16 | Patlabor221 | and stop with the * stuff |
| 04:56.16 | LiL_dOg | i know... |
| 04:56.29 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221, suppose your team is you and 3 bots, but your bots happen to be ranked (suppose they're server bots that hang out all the time) |
| 04:56.40 | LiL_dOg | * stuff? |
| 04:56.43 | LiL_dOg | whats that? |
| 04:56.49 | LiL_dOg | i was correcting my self |
| 04:56.50 | Patlabor221 | typing * and something |
| 04:56.58 | Patlabor221 | ohh spelling dosn't really mater here |
| 04:57.02 | Patlabor221 | I am proof of that :) |
| 04:57.04 | fiberchunks | and suppose you are a general, and they're lower than you -- then your inputs to them would be absolute -- whereas if you were equal to one bot, then you couldn't control him, and he could control the other bots |
| 04:57.10 | DTRemenak | if you will not be misunderstood, do not correct yourself |
| 04:57.12 | Patlabor221 | fiber in UT humans can allways order bots |
| 04:57.25 | Patlabor221 | but an interesting idea |
| 04:57.29 | fiberchunks | I don't think that's always wise :) |
| 04:57.33 | Patlabor221 | would not work on meatsacks |
| 04:57.36 | LiL_dOg | ok |
| 04:57.41 | fiberchunks | well, of course |
| 04:58.00 | fiberchunks | although, not necessarily, if you had a _really_ well disciplined team -- but that's a different story |
| 04:58.31 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:58.35 | Patlabor221 | but that is a team thing |
| 04:58.42 | Patlabor221 | you don't need any game code to do that |
| 04:58.52 | fiberchunks | and of course, a game ranking would perhaps indicate an overall (wait for it... ) karma for the game state :) |
| 04:58.55 | LiL_dOg | so the c hat forrum is for people like me.. right? (chatterboxes) |
| 04:59.00 | LiL_dOg | and like gerbil |
| 04:59.04 | LiL_dOg | >:-) |
| 04:59.09 | Patlabor221 | no it's for off topic posts |
| 04:59.13 | Patlabor221 | that's all |
| 04:59.24 | fiberchunks | yes, but what if your team had 2 meatsacks and 2 bots? who controls whom (if the game style is such that control is server-mandated or whatever) |
| 04:59.32 | Patlabor221 | it dosnt' get any more or less trafic then the normal one |
| 04:59.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah it could be interesting |
| 04:59.50 | Patlabor221 | asign people bot "wingmen" |
| 04:59.54 | fiberchunks | right |
| 05:00.03 | fiberchunks | I think that would be neat as hell, personally |
| 05:00.06 | Patlabor221 | would need to be a slick inteface for that |
| 05:00.09 | Patlabor221 | to be fast in battle |
| 05:00.32 | fiberchunks | indeed -- some sort of pointy clicky thing, or configurable keys (like ghost recon), would definitely be necessary |
| 05:00.42 | LiL_dOg | and if its a cheat client their rank would be "Cheating moron" |
| 05:00.45 | Patlabor221 | voice recog :) |
| 05:00.48 | LiL_dOg | >:-|) |
| 05:00.56 | fiberchunks | heh, that would be awesome :) |
| 05:01.11 | SportChick | chunky monkey! long time no see |
| 05:01.21 | fiberchunks | 'you there, corporal retard! flank left!' :) |
| 05:01.24 | fiberchunks | hiya SC |
| 05:01.36 | Patlabor221 | "yes general havok!!!" |
| 05:01.47 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 05:02.14 | Patlabor221 | then you have major wedgie take a fireteam out the back and clean up |
| 05:02.29 | fiberchunks | heh, precisely -- that would be really fun |
| 05:02.33 | LiL_dOg | im still a cadet |
| 05:03.00 | Patlabor221 | yes you are |
| 05:03.17 | SportChick | whatcha talking about? |
| 05:03.24 | Patlabor221 | you will become a private at 10 posts |
| 05:03.35 | Patlabor221 | SportChick: what would your perfect tank game be? |
| 05:03.38 | Patlabor221 | how would it play |
| 05:03.38 | fiberchunks | SC, we're talking about game dreams -- gameplay and stuff |
| 05:03.41 | DTRemenak | LiL_dOg: don't fret over your rank - when it changes, it changes. |
| 05:03.44 | Patlabor221 | and look? |
| 05:03.45 | SportChick | what do you mean? |
| 05:03.55 | SportChick | within bz? |
| 05:04.07 | fiberchunks | just in general |
| 05:04.09 | Patlabor221 | not with the confines of BZ as it is now |
| 05:04.09 | LiL_dOg | i know |
| 05:04.11 | SportChick | I'd like a game with wings and agility and judas flags |
| 05:04.13 | fiberchunks | doesn't have to be bz specific |
| 05:04.17 | LiL_dOg | im happy to be a cadet |
| 05:04.19 | LiL_dOg | :) |
| 05:04.20 | SportChick | 2 shots |
| 05:04.21 | DTRemenak | ~nickometer LiL_dOg |
| 05:04.21 | | 'LiL_dOg' is 99.830% lame, dtremenak |
| 05:04.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:04.28 | LiL_dOg | i like low ranks |
| 05:04.29 | SportChick | jumping only with wings or jumping flag |
| 05:04.30 | Patlabor221 | think outside the BZ |
| 05:04.34 | LiL_dOg | but i'll gain up |
| 05:04.39 | SportChick | I can't..never played another tank game |
| 05:04.49 | Patlabor221 | just dream :) |
| 05:05.01 | *** join/#bzflag khamar (~khamar@cm60.kycm.nebi.com) |
| 05:05.05 | LiL_dOg | im involved in alot |
| 05:05.07 | fiberchunks | for example, both Patlabor221 and I would like to see terrain, and movable turrets / barrels |
| 05:05.13 | fiberchunks | just in general |
| 05:05.14 | SportChick | it would be interesting if the teleporters took you to other servers |
| 05:05.30 | SportChick | and you don't know where you land |
| 05:05.30 | SportChick | sort of the sliders idea |
| 05:05.57 | LiL_dOg | 'LiL_dOg' is 99.830% lame, dtremenak |
| 05:05.59 | LiL_dOg | 'LiL_dOg' is 99.830% lame, dtremenak |
| 05:06.00 | SportChick | you go through a teleporter and suddenly instead of being in secretplace, playing spirals, you're on ducati playing rabbit |
| 05:06.09 | LiL_dOg | how am i that? |
| 05:06.15 | Patlabor221 | it's based on your name |
| 05:06.17 | LiL_dOg | whats that meen? |
| 05:06.18 | khamar | Interesting group tonight! |
| 05:06.20 | learner | heh, no help talk to terminal |
| 05:06.21 | Patlabor221 | it's prety lame |
| 05:06.23 | DTRemenak | according to ibot, your nick is quite lame |
| 05:06.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah what he said |
| 05:06.32 | fiberchunks | ~nickometer fiberchunks |
| 05:06.32 | | 'fiberchunks' is 0.000% lame, fiberchunks |
| 05:06.38 | fiberchunks | whoohoo! :) |
| 05:06.39 | SportChick | learner: sushi was yummy |
| 05:06.42 | JBdiGriz | ~nickometer DTRemenak |
| 05:06.42 | | 'DTRemenak' is 27.000% lame, jbdigriz |
| 05:06.43 | fiberchunks | I am uber-cool |
| 05:06.45 | khamar | how do you ask the bot? |
| 05:06.47 | learner | yum ym ym |
| 05:06.47 | LiL_dOg | is ibot a person? |
| 05:06.54 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:06.54 | LiL_dOg | how do you ask? |
| 05:06.55 | fiberchunks | obviously, ibot don't know me very well |
| 05:06.56 | SportChick | ~nickometer SportChick |
| 05:06.56 | | 'SportChick' is 0.000% lame, sportchick |
| 05:06.56 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.56 | Patlabor221 | hence the name bot |
| 05:07.01 | Patlabor221 | ibot who is your daddy? |
| 05:07.03 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 05:07.03 | SportChick | what's that mean? |
| 05:07.08 | Patlabor221 | damn strait! |
| 05:07.12 | LiL_dOg | o.o |
| 05:07.13 | learner | haha |
| 05:07.17 | fiberchunks | SC and I are l337! |
| 05:07.20 | Patlabor221 | ibot nickometer Patlabor221 |
| 05:07.20 | | 'Patlabor221' is 34.000% lame, patlabor221 |
| 05:07.35 | LiL_dOg | ibot who is your daddy again? |
| 05:07.37 | | LiL_dOg: what are you talking about? |
| 05:07.45 | Patlabor221 | it's a bot |
| 05:07.45 | fiberchunks | ha |
| 05:07.48 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't know much |
| 05:07.56 | LiL_dOg | it has to be a person |
| 05:07.58 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 05:08.01 | fiberchunks | it's a script |
| 05:08.02 | Patlabor221 | no it's a bot |
| 05:08.06 | fiberchunks | no more, no less |
| 05:08.06 | orchid | anyone using irssi here? |
| 05:08.12 | khamar | ~nickometer PorkyPat |
| 05:08.12 | | 'PorkyPat' is 0.000% lame, khamar |
| 05:08.21 | Patlabor221 | do a /msg ibot ANYTHING and it'll respond |
| 05:08.22 | fiberchunks | orchid, I do on my other box |
| 05:08.24 | Patlabor221 | guu is a bot too |
| 05:08.24 | guu | pfft! how should I know Patlabor221 |
| 05:08.28 | Patlabor221 | hi guu |
| 05:08.28 | orchid | hi fiberchunks |
| 05:08.30 | Patlabor221 | how are you? |
| 05:08.34 | fiberchunks | hiya orchid :) |
| 05:08.36 | SportChick | hi orchid |
| 05:08.37 | orchid | guu: hi |
| 05:08.38 | guu | I dont understand you sometimes orchid |
| 05:08.38 | Patlabor221 | hello ms smarty pants |
| 05:08.42 | SportChick | so, what is this whole lame thing? |
| 05:08.46 | khamar | OK - New bzflag idea: how about radar that auto-zooms |
| 05:08.51 | SportChick | !hello |
| 05:08.51 | guu | hiya SportChick! Good to see you! |
| 05:08.54 | SportChick | :) |
| 05:08.57 | Patlabor221 | it's a formula to see how lame your name is |
| 05:08.58 | khamar | like add an option "4" Auto |
| 05:09.01 | SportChick | she just doesn't like you very well, orchid |
| 05:09.03 | fiberchunks | khamar, I like that idea |
| 05:09.05 | orchid | fiberchunks: how do i remove a highlight? |
| 05:09.20 | fiberchunks | orchid, iirc, /set highlight <nick> off |
| 05:09.20 | Patlabor221 | cloroz |
| 05:09.25 | Littledog | nickometer Littledog |
| 05:09.27 | khamar | I looked at the code, and the mod looks easy - but ive never compiled bzflag before |
| 05:09.49 | Littledog | ibot? |
| 05:09.51 | DTRemenak | Littledog: ibot only responds to commands with a ~ in front |
| 05:09.54 | Patlabor221 | ibot nickmeter littledog |
| 05:09.58 | | littledog is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 05:09.58 | SportChick | how do you turn it on? smae thing but on instead of off? |
| 05:10.00 | Patlabor221 | ibot nickometer littledog |
| 05:10.00 | | 'littledog' is 0.000% lame, patlabor221 |
| 05:10.07 | fiberchunks | orchid, sorry, dehilight |
| 05:10.08 | Patlabor221 | there ya go |
| 05:10.08 | Littledog | O.o |
| 05:10.11 | DTRemenak | or if you say it's name first |
| 05:10.12 | SportChick | ~nickometer mozul |
| 05:10.12 | | 'mozul' is 0.000% lame, sportchick |
| 05:10.13 | orchid | fiberchunks: if i do /hilight foo, anytime foo is said, it will be hilighted |
| 05:10.13 | Patlabor221 | no more l33t |
| 05:10.25 | orchid | fiberchunks: ahh ok |
| 05:10.27 | Littledog | im not lame! |
| 05:10.28 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:10.28 | Littledog | yay |
| 05:10.56 | JBdiGriz | orchid: did the decks fest ever happen? |
| 05:10.58 | SportChick | someone say something |
| 05:11.02 | fiberchunks | something |
| 05:11.02 | DTRemenak | something |
| 05:11.03 | JBdiGriz | something |
| 05:11.03 | khamar | Anyone know of a good "how to compile bzflag" web page? |
| 05:11.04 | your_dog | cy'all |
| 05:11.10 | Littledog | bye dog |
| 05:11.15 | SportChick | bye doggie |
| 05:11.24 | orchid | JBdiGriz: nope, gotta prod the prot |
| 05:11.27 | SportChick | orchid: where's your three team server? |
| 05:11.28 | fiberchunks | khamar, you could try bzbb.bzflag.org -- I'm not sure if the howto is still up to date -- most likely not |
| 05:11.32 | JBdiGriz | there's a forum on bzdb which describes a few methods of compiling |
| 05:11.33 | SportChick | we were looking for it earlier |
| 05:11.34 | learner | goddie go poof |
| 05:11.34 | Patlabor221 | for what OS khamar? |
| 05:11.37 | learner | dog |
| 05:11.43 | Littledog | me? |
| 05:11.51 | your_dog | huh? |
| 05:11.52 | learner | bye bye |
| 05:11.53 | DTRemenak | khamar: look at the README in the src distribution or from cvs |
| 05:11.55 | your_dog | which one? |
| 05:11.57 | khamar | I prefer Linux - Mandrake 9.2 |
| 05:12.01 | JBdiGriz | could someone throw cold water on those dogs? |
| 05:12.08 | DTRemenak | there's a section for "Compiling and Installation" |
| 05:12.10 | Patlabor221 | run the automake .sh |
| 05:12.12 | learner | ~waterhose doggies |
| 05:12.16 | | ACTION grabs the waterhose and soaks doggies until the fingers start to prune even |
| 05:12.16 | SportChick | that highlight thing doesn't seem to work in xchat |
| 05:12.16 | Patlabor221 | then conif |
| 05:12.16 | Patlabor221 | and make |
| 05:12.18 | DTRemenak | Basically, ./autogen.hs, ./configure, make, make install |
| 05:12.19 | fiberchunks | easy, CD into the bzflag source dir, and ./automake.sh |
| 05:12.24 | SportChick | ~peck learner |
| 05:12.28 | | ACTION launches an entire flock of killer geese at learner. The geese begin the pecking process, starting with the eyes and then progressing on downwards. |
| 05:12.28 | Patlabor221 | yeah what he said |
| 05:12.31 | khamar | OHK thanks - I'll go look at my cvs copy then |
| 05:12.35 | fiberchunks | SportChick, that's cause it's for irssi |
| 05:12.42 | SportChick | oh |
| 05:12.44 | khamar | Will it create a new binary in that location - or kill my existing copy? |
| 05:12.56 | your_dog | learner: did you need me? or just saying bye? |
| 05:12.58 | SportChick | I saved you some sushi since you didn't make it to dinner on time |
| 05:13.00 | JBdiGriz | oooh, SportChick wasn't as nice as I expected. I don't like those pecks. |
| 05:13.08 | fiberchunks | depends on how you installed it the first time -- mandrake comes with an old bz iirc |
| 05:13.16 | DTRemenak | khamar: make will create a new binary in src/bzflag |
| 05:13.24 | khamar | Thanks! |
| 05:13.25 | fiberchunks | unless you do make install |
| 05:13.28 | DTRemenak | make install will *probably* overwrite your old executable |
| 05:13.28 | Littledog | ~peck littledod |
| 05:13.32 | | ACTION launches an entire flock of killer geese at littledod. The geese begin the pecking process, starting with the eyes and then progressing on downwards. |
| 05:13.32 | Littledog | noo |
| 05:13.35 | fiberchunks | yah |
| 05:13.38 | Littledog | ~peck littledog |
| 05:13.42 | | ACTION launches an entire flock of killer geese at littledog. The geese begin the pecking process, starting with the eyes and then progressing on downwards. |
| 05:13.53 | fiberchunks | don't abuse the bot |
| 05:13.53 | Littledog | thank you |
| 05:13.53 | learner | dodcjo gppd stiff |
| 05:13.54 | learner | er, sushi good stuff |
| 05:13.54 | khamar | overwriting is not cool! |
| 05:14.00 | fiberchunks | learner, ha! :) |
| 05:14.03 | SushiLovingChick | lol learner |
| 05:14.20 | fiberchunks | learner-speak |
| 05:14.30 | fiberchunks | 'The legend of Drunken Learner' |
| 05:14.32 | orchid | SushiLovingChick: i will run it again, i forgot to restart it |
| 05:14.38 | SushiLovingChick | heh |
| 05:14.40 | SushiLovingChick | ok |
| 05:14.42 | JBdiGriz | What do you do with a drunken learner? |
| 05:14.54 | fiberchunks | shave his belly with a rusty razor! |
| 05:15.04 | SushiLovingChick | some people were complaining,b ut I actually like your 2 team ctf ducati server |
| 05:15.06 | JBdiGriz | earlie in the morning |
| 05:15.09 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:15.19 | Littledog | O.O |
| 05:15.24 | orchid | hehe |
| 05:15.31 | JBdiGriz | throw him in the longboat til he's sober |
| 05:15.36 | SushiLovingChick | I think the angles are fun |
| 05:15.42 | DTRemenak | Put him in a leaky boat 'n make 'im bail 'er |
| 05:16.02 | JBdiGriz | Is it still snowing down there? |
| 05:16.10 | fiberchunks | it isn't now, no |
| 05:16.18 | fiberchunks | was snowing mad this morning though |
| 05:16.21 | fiberchunks | no stickage |
| 05:16.30 | fiberchunks | ~kgon |
| 05:16.33 | fiberchunks | whoops |
| 05:16.36 | fiberchunks | ~weather kgon |
| 05:16.38 | JBdiGriz | That would make those bushes awfully cold. Welcome to springtime :) |
| 05:16.55 | fiberchunks | ah, a balmy 23 F :) |
| 05:16.59 | DTRemenak | yike |
| 05:16.59 | SushiLovingChick | learner, why you hiding down with us average folks? normally you're up there with the upper crust |
| 05:17.17 | Littledog | ~stats of littledog |
| 05:17.23 | Littledog | try that ibot |
| 05:17.24 | Littledog | :p |
| 05:17.32 | Patlabor221 | do a /msg ibot before you do that |
| 05:17.39 | Patlabor221 | then you can ask the bot anything you want |
| 05:17.59 | Littledog | ~stats of littledog |
| 05:18.01 | fiberchunks | man my puppy is growing quick |
| 05:18.06 | learner | :*( i was going to code |
| 05:18.09 | orchid | SushiLovingChick: what were thay complaining about? |
| 05:18.10 | Patlabor221 | Littledog: there is no stats item |
| 05:18.16 | Littledog | oh.. |
| 05:18.16 | DTRemenak | learner: I wouldn't advise it :) |
| 05:18.20 | Littledog | i didnt know |
| 05:18.22 | Patlabor221 | stop abusing the bot in a public channel |
| 05:18.24 | Littledog | im sowee |
| 05:18.28 | Patlabor221 | take it to a /msg |
| 05:18.30 | SushiLovingChick | too many buildings. I like it...it's great for angles and rico |
| 05:18.30 | learner | i can barly type emacs |
| 05:18.37 | learner | so no |
| 05:18.37 | Littledog | how do i do that pat? |
| 05:18.38 | JBdiGriz | I remember coding all night after a couple of pitchers of beer. I threw it all away the following morning. :) |
| 05:18.41 | fiberchunks | or barely even :) |
| 05:18.48 | orchid | SushiLovingChick: that was just that particular map i suppose |
| 05:18.49 | Littledog | what do i do? |
| 05:18.52 | Patlabor221 | like I have been saying Littledog /msg ibot <thing ou want to say> |
| 05:19.09 | JBdiGriz | Reading is always a good idea, before typing. |
| 05:19.10 | learner | Littledog still learnign? |
| 05:19.15 | SushiLovingChick | well, I like it, so don't listen to ANYONE else, ok? |
| 05:19.21 | Littledog | yes i am |
| 05:19.22 | learner | Littledog: read .. read read |
| 05:19.27 | learner | learn |
| 05:19.32 | learner | you be happier |
| 05:19.37 | learner | others too |
| 05:19.39 | Littledog | ok |
| 05:19.42 | Patlabor221 | reading is good |
| 05:19.43 | orchid | and stay off the Triple Sec |
| 05:19.44 | fiberchunks | stfw, rtfm (oooo, I sound crusty) |
| 05:19.50 | JBdiGriz | Hold those fingers back from touching the keyboard, don't touch the keyboard, just read. |
| 05:20.09 | learner | stfw? |
| 05:20.18 | fiberchunks | think about it |
| 05:20.21 | JBdiGriz | I know stfu |
| 05:20.23 | learner | w? |
| 05:20.26 | learner | yea |
| 05:20.26 | fiberchunks | web |
| 05:20.32 | learner | hrm |
| 05:20.39 | fiberchunks | search the |
| 05:20.50 | fiberchunks | lol, obviously :) |
| 05:20.52 | JBdiGriz | ah, search the far-reaching web. I got it. |
| 05:20.54 | fiberchunks | coufsned :) |
| 05:21.47 | fiberchunks | ned focus, I knew him, horatio |
| 05:22.08 | JBdiGriz | a fellow of infinite jest, and excellent fancy |
| 05:22.10 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-132-254.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 05:22.25 | learner | whan taht abril en the shores sota... |
| 05:22.28 | khamar | What is the "bzdb" link? I cannot find it for help there? |
| 05:22.32 | learner | chacer |
| 05:22.37 | fiberchunks | http://bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 05:22.56 | khamar | oh - bzbb not bzdb |
| 05:23.08 | DTRemenak | khamar: having problems? |
| 05:23.11 | fiberchunks | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=79 <<< this is most likely out of date |
| 05:23.33 | DTRemenak | ~weather KSAC |
| 05:23.44 | learner | yes maam |
| 05:23.54 | SushiLovingChick | ~weather KLAX |
| 05:24.25 | SushiLovingChick | !90277 |
| 05:24.26 | guu | I dont understand you sometimes SushiLovingChick |
| 05:24.32 | SushiLovingChick | !weather 90277 |
| 05:24.49 | guu | SushiLovingChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California is 55°F. Conditions: Clear. |
| 05:24.55 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221, one of my long-standing dreams is to have a 'bodily-interactive' game (this is waaaaaay beyond the scope of our previous discussion however) |
| 05:25.02 | SushiLovingChick | I want something that will tell me the forecast for tomorrow |
| 05:25.04 | *** join/#bzflag DemolitionMan (~chase@adsl-64-172-196-85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 05:25.21 | fiberchunks | weather.com |
| 05:25.35 | Patlabor221 | ok lawnmower man :) |
| 05:26.06 | fiberchunks | oh, nothing like that, but suppose a mild electric jolt, or, a bladder that would fill with air if you get whacked in the gut, for example |
| 05:26.19 | fiberchunks | man, that would be fun, and it'd keep lazy bastards like me in shape :) |
| 05:26.30 | Patlabor221 | would you know kung fuu in this game? |
| 05:26.37 | fiberchunks | you could learn :) |
| 05:26.44 | JBdiGriz | shades of the matrix. |
| 05:26.56 | SushiLovingChick | heh |
| 05:27.07 | fiberchunks | of course, it would be a pre-requisite to own a KFJ, if actually participating in a kung-fu game -- otherwise, you would be mocked :) |
| 05:27.19 | _orange_ | cu all later |
| 05:27.26 | SushiLovingChick | oooo how about driving through a transporter in a tank and suddenly you're in UT |
| 05:27.28 | JBdiGriz | could I own a VKFJ? |
| 05:27.30 | orchid | by orange |
| 05:27.36 | SushiLovingChick | or Battlefield 1942 |
| 05:27.49 | fiberchunks | they would mock your poor texture :) |
| 05:27.54 | SushiLovingChick | heh |
| 05:27.58 | bryjen | KFVJ? |
| 05:28.05 | SushiLovingChick | don't you pick on my texture guru |
| 05:28.08 | JBdiGriz | That would be interesting to show up in 1942 in a modern tank. |
| 05:28.18 | fiberchunks | JBdiGriz, that jumps :) |
| 05:28.26 | orchid | i tink joining a UT game in your little red tank might freak the Deathmatch guys out |
| 05:28.27 | fiberchunks | I think they would be slightly puzzled :) |
| 05:28.32 | Patlabor221 | I do own a KFJ! |
| 05:28.45 | fiberchunks | see, you're already ahead of the curve :) |
| 05:28.54 | SushiLovingChick | so, just out of curiosity, how much HAVE you all had to drink?! |
| 05:29.00 | JBdiGriz | Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable |
| 05:29.01 | DTRemenak | be better the other way I think...I can see a soldier with a panzerfaust dropping into bzflag :) |
| 05:29.01 | Patlabor221 | 5 |
| 05:29.05 | fiberchunks | nothing :\ |
| 05:29.07 | SushiLovingChick | 5 pints?! |
| 05:29.25 | Patlabor221 | 5 something |
| 05:29.37 | fiberchunks | python lyrics :) |
| 05:29.42 | Nidhoggr | I bought some ice a few minutes ago, so I can make my favorite alcoholic mixed drink. |
| 05:29.45 | SushiLovingChick | 5 LITERS?! wow! it's a wonder you're able to type |
| 05:29.46 | fiberchunks | sit on my .... (you finish the rest) :) |
| 05:29.49 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~Tim@cpe-66-75-196-121.bak.rr.com) |
| 05:29.51 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 05:29.56 | orchid | ~kfj |
| 05:29.58 | SushiLovingChick | hiya Nid! |
| 05:30.01 | learner | heh |
| 05:30.03 | Nidhoggr | hi sportie. |
| 05:30.10 | SushiLovingChick | how goes it? |
| 05:30.11 | fiberchunks | hiya Nidhoggr |
| 05:30.13 | Nidhoggr | good |
| 05:30.15 | Nidhoggr | hi fiber. |
| 05:30.26 | Nidhoggr | I have a short list for you... just gotta find your email addy. :) |
| 05:30.29 | orchid | hi Nidhoggr |
| 05:30.39 | SushiLovingChick | did you see my excruciatingly long essay, Nid? Told you it was boring |
| 05:30.39 | Nidhoggr | hi orchid |
| 05:30.45 | fiberchunks | there you go |
| 05:30.50 | Nidhoggr | it was really good, sportie. |
| 05:30.50 | fiberchunks | and thanks |
| 05:31.00 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:31.06 | learner | heh |
| 05:31.09 | SushiLovingChick | can you tell what we had for dinner? |
| 05:31.25 | learner | ~fkj |
| 05:31.27 | SushiLovingChick | (and shhhhh...but by the way, we are all distracting learner from his work) |
| 05:31.38 | fiberchunks | I can't stand seafood, but I do love sweet potato rolls |
| 05:31.51 | SushiLovingChick | ick! I don't like sweet potatoes at all |
| 05:32.25 | Nidhoggr | we had pasta. |
| 05:32.31 | SushiLovingChick | Patlabor221: what is kfj? |
| 05:32.35 | Nidhoggr | I had chicken florentine. |
| 05:32.37 | fiberchunks | kung fu jacket |
| 05:32.44 | SushiLovingChick | yummy...home made pasta? |
| 05:32.47 | Nidhoggr | I only ate some of the chicken, because I was more in the mood for the pasta. |
| 05:32.56 | Nidhoggr | at one of our fave restaraunts. |
| 05:33.01 | SushiLovingChick | oh, ok |
| 05:33.05 | SushiLovingChick | date night! :) |
| 05:33.08 | Nidhoggr | I had a light out in the kitchen. |
| 05:33.17 | Nidhoggr | so we bought one on the way home. |
| 05:33.19 | SushiLovingChick | excuses, excuses |
| 05:33.27 | Nidhoggr | it was a good excuse. :) |
| 05:33.30 | SushiLovingChick | oh! I thought you were saying THAT was why you ate out |
| 05:33.32 | Nidhoggr | I was in the mood for pasta. |
| 05:33.35 | fiberchunks | wow, you buy a whole light when a lightbulb would work? :) |
| 05:33.36 | SushiLovingChick | heh |
| 05:33.54 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:34.00 | bryjen | when the lights out, i just flip the switch ;) |
| 05:34.04 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 05:34.05 | SushiLovingChick | we had sushi and salad and fresh squeezed lemon juice |
| 05:34.15 | Nidhoggr | scipio is doing a 25% water change on his 125 gallon fish tank. |
| 05:34.20 | Nidhoggr | oh yum. |
| 05:34.21 | SushiLovingChick | when a light's out here, we just hit the remote control |
| 05:34.25 | SushiLovingChick | heh |
| 05:34.28 | fiberchunks | bryjen, is that what the ONOFF button is for? I always wondered |
| 05:34.32 | SushiLovingChick | that'll take a while |
| 05:34.47 | JBdiGriz | I can think of so many better things to do when the lights out. |
| 05:34.49 | Nidhoggr | he medicating the whole tank, because a few fish have ick |
| 05:34.51 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 05:34.52 | SushiLovingChick | hoon and bb and blat and tanks were all on sp a few minutes ago |
| 05:34.54 | bryjen | noooff |
| 05:35.05 | SushiLovingChick | I hate it when the fish have ick! (makes bad sushi) |
| 05:35.13 | Nidhoggr | oh, cool. I need to compile newest for folks. |
| 05:35.23 | SushiLovingChick | learner's still masquerading as a peasant |
| 05:35.53 | JBdiGriz | He's afraid of what he might type as anything else. |
| 05:36.00 | SushiLovingChick | now it's just blat and mozul and tanks |
| 05:36.06 | JBdiGriz | Nidhoggr: SushiLovingChick called us crusty. |
| 05:36.11 | SushiLovingChick | did not |
| 05:36.23 | SushiLovingChick | oh |
| 05:36.27 | SushiLovingChick | actually, I guess I did |
| 05:36.40 | SushiLovingChick | but as in UPPER crusty |
| 05:36.52 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 05:37.10 | JBdiGriz | Man, that is one profuse pout, it's coming over the mountains |
| 05:37.10 | bryjen | at least the upper crusty doesn't stick to the pan |
| 05:37.30 | SushiLovingChick | rofl |
| 05:37.33 | fiberchunks | it began, long ago, in the quiet mountain ranges. He did not know it then, but what was soon to happen would change his life forever. Much to his chagrin, the nighties of Ereador, while fiddling with the Twisted Vermin of Doom (the singular), had conspired to beat him at a game of one-handed monosyllabilism. It was not fun |
| 05:38.17 | bryjen | uh, ok |
| 05:38.26 | Nidhoggr | hahahahaha |
| 05:38.27 | Nidhoggr | ow |
| 05:38.47 | fiberchunks | t |
| 05:38.51 | orchid | lol |
| 05:39.03 | orchid | is everyone drunk tonight? |
| 05:39.07 | Nidhoggr | not yet |
| 05:39.09 | orchid | or just learner ? |
| 05:39.11 | Nidhoggr | ooops |
| 05:39.12 | JBdiGriz | It was excellent thought :) |
| 05:39.13 | Nidhoggr | did I say that |
| 05:39.15 | fiberchunks | no, I'm just not as repressed as usual :) |
| 05:39.18 | Nidhoggr | in my outload typing. |
| 05:39.31 | bryjen | No more of that for you! |
| 05:39.33 | bryjen | ;) |
| 05:39.37 | SushiLovingChick | only on fresh squeezed lemonaid |
| 05:39.37 | JBdiGriz | Cast off your chains |
| 05:39.42 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 05:39.45 | Nidhoggr | now we see the violence inherent in the sytem |
| 05:39.48 | SushiLovingChick | heh |
| 05:39.48 | Nidhoggr | system |
| 05:40.18 | JBdiGriz | very small rocks |
| 05:40.19 | fiberchunks | Sytem, the mighty warrior of DEC, did suddenly heave his mighty Vaxen forth into the fray! |
| 05:40.29 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:40.31 | Nidhoggr | a duck |
| 05:40.31 | DTRemenak | oh dear |
| 05:40.51 | JBdiGriz | no deer, run too fast |
| 05:40.57 | SushiLovingChick | uhoh |
| 05:41.06 | DTRemenak | you have to have deer to defeat the vaxen |
| 05:41.10 | Nidhoggr | that's funny |
| 05:41.16 | Nidhoggr | I haven't heard that joke in AGES |
| 05:41.29 | fiberchunks | uh oh |
| 05:41.33 | Nidhoggr | "damn near killed him" |
| 05:41.33 | DTRemenak | MAC: most of it's not worth reading :) |
| 05:41.36 | SushiLovingChick | shhhhhh! he's back |
| 05:41.47 | JBdiGriz | #45 |
| 05:41.52 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 05:42.33 | MrAC | i see that :) |
| 05:42.44 | Nidhoggr | who said jumping to the punchline isn't funny. |
| 05:42.46 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 05:42.48 | SushiLovingChick | Nidhoggr: you need to invite sgk to peepz |
| 05:42.59 | Nidhoggr | you can't invite him? |
| 05:43.07 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 05:43.13 | SushiLovingChick | I'm not a admin for that forum |
| 05:43.49 | Nidhoggr | what is his first/last name? |
| 05:44.46 | SushiLovingChick | Steve Krenzel |
| 05:44.52 | bryjen | hrmpf. I cvs up'ed and now libcurl isn't playing nice :( |
| 05:45.01 | Nidhoggr | he's not on my friend's list. I'll have to steal him from your list. |
| 05:45.16 | SushiLovingChick | steal him from John's |
| 05:45.28 | SushiLovingChick | he hasn't accepted yet for my invite, so doesn't show up to others |
| 05:46.05 | bryjen | ~seen Tupone |
| 05:46.14 | | tupone <~Tupone@ppp-82-84-123-178.cust-adsl.tiscali.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 1m 22s ago, saying: 'gnite all'. |
| 05:46.15 | fiberchunks | SCO is going overseas -- that's funny |
| 05:46.31 | bryjen | good riddance |
| 05:46.46 | fiberchunks | well, they're taking their 'fight' overseas -- which is what I find funny |
| 05:46.52 | fiberchunks | what a bunch of putzes |
| 05:47.03 | JBdiGriz | they already lost in germany |
| 05:47.08 | fiberchunks | good |
| 05:47.23 | fiberchunks | ironically enough, isn't that where Caldera got its start? |
| 05:47.35 | bryjen | cool. maybe other countries legal systems won't put up with their crap. |
| 05:48.44 | Nidhoggr | I can't add him until he accepts my friend list thing. |
| 05:48.57 | SushiLovingChick | ok |
| 05:49.55 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o MrApathyCream] by ChanServ |
| 05:50.14 | ShareFestChick | MAC leaves the land of peasants and steps into his royal palace |
| 05:50.24 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:50.29 | Nidhoggr | he can try to join, then it will ask me to approve it, too. |
| 05:50.40 | ShareFestChick | k |
| 05:51.08 | fiberchunks | Nidhoggr, haha, 2 of the first 3 on your list I've already read in depth :) |
| 05:51.14 | ShareFestChick | people must be getting tired...it got quiet all fo the sudden |
| 05:51.16 | Nidhoggr | really? |
| 05:51.21 | Nidhoggr | excellent. |
| 05:51.24 | ShareFestChick | what list? |
| 05:51.27 | Nidhoggr | then we aren't too far off base. :) |
| 05:51.33 | fiberchunks | indeed, paramhansa, and ram dass |
| 05:51.35 | Nidhoggr | the last 2, fiber? |
| 05:51.38 | fiberchunks | yup |
| 05:51.48 | Nidhoggr | ram dass changed my life. |
| 05:51.54 | Nidhoggr | was very liberating. |
| 05:52.06 | Nidhoggr | have you read "daughter of fire"? |
| 05:52.16 | Nidhoggr | story of irena tweedie |
| 05:52.33 | fiberchunks | no, unfortunately, I have an enormous spiritual collection packed in boxes (damned basment isn't finished yet) |
| 05:52.39 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 05:52.55 | Nidhoggr | it's good, but it's HUGE |
| 05:54.35 | Nidhoggr | sportie, I have a huge reading list that I send parts to people when they ask. I try to guage the ones I send from the list on the person I send to. |
| 05:54.52 | fiberchunks | if you have more, send it :) |
| 05:54.53 | Nidhoggr | usually a few at a time. |
| 05:54.57 | Nidhoggr | fiber, I will. |
| 05:55.00 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:55.05 | fiberchunks | coolio :) |
| 05:55.07 | ShareFestChick | oh cool |
| 05:55.20 | Nidhoggr | now that I know the sort of thing you've read/enjoy. |
| 05:55.33 | fiberchunks | have you read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Nid? I think you'd enjoy it. |
| 05:55.39 | ShareFestChick | Nidhoggr: you like history at all? |
| 05:55.43 | Nidhoggr | yes, fiber. very good book. |
| 05:55.49 | Nidhoggr | yes. |
| 05:55.50 | fiberchunks | indeed -- one of my top 10 |
| 05:56.08 | Nidhoggr | I remember you mentioning it, or I'da stuck it on the list. :) |
| 05:56.20 | ShareFestChick | I read a fabulous book while I was in India (well read several, but this was ABOUT India): "Freedom at Midnight" |
| 05:56.26 | Nidhoggr | I like pertinant historical stuff. |
| 05:56.27 | fiberchunks | or anything by Wilbur, but that's really 'mental' for lack of a better word |
| 05:56.39 | Nidhoggr | what' sit about sc? |
| 05:56.53 | fiberchunks | anywho, I must sleep -- gnight y'all |
| 05:57.07 | Nidhoggr | I've been reading the trial transcripts of joan of arc's trial. |
| 05:57.13 | Nidhoggr | her second trial. |
| 05:57.17 | ShareFestChick | Nidhoggr: it's about the transition from British rule to Indian rule. It's an incredible story. And quite well written. |
| 05:57.25 | Nidhoggr | it sounds good. |
| 05:57.42 | ShareFestChick | it's great |
| 05:57.51 | Nidhoggr | I'm fascinated with french religious strangeness. |
| 05:57.58 | ShareFestChick | here's a review: http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/43716-1.html |
| 05:58.00 | Nidhoggr | joan d'arc, the templars, etc. |
| 05:58.12 | ShareFestChick | (author is Dominique Lapierre |
| 05:58.19 | Nidhoggr | can you email me that sc? |
| 05:58.23 | ShareFestChick | sure |
| 05:58.27 | Nidhoggr | I can't cut and paste from irc right now. :( |
| 05:58.34 | ShareFestChick | the review or just the name and author? |
| 05:58.40 | Nidhoggr | both |
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| 05:59.45 | ShareFestChick | I assume you saw the movie (or hopefully read the book): "Rabbit Proof Fence"? |
| 05:59.50 | Nidhoggr | not to mention eleanor of aquitaine. |
| 06:00.01 | Nidhoggr | no. what's it about? |
| 06:00.07 | ShareFestChick | ack!! |
| 06:00.11 | ShareFestChick | seriously??? |
| 06:01.14 | ShareFestChick | wow! It's about the "Stolen Generation" of aborigines and how they were ripped from their families as children. One story in particular is the focus -- of a young girl who at 13 trekked 1800 miles back across the outback to see her family |
| 06:01.33 | MrApathyCream | is there anything you can put in a header to get the include stack? |
| 06:01.34 | ShareFestChick | she took her younger sister and cousin with her, eluding police and trackers |
| 06:01.49 | Nidhoggr | oh, I heard about it, but didn't get to see it. |
| 06:01.57 | Nidhoggr | was a 2002 movie. |
| 06:02.17 | ShareFestChick | well, I'd strongly recommend reading the book AND seeing the movie. They are actually both very good and very different. |
| 06:02.24 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 06:02.29 | ShareFestChick | the book gives a lot of historical reference that the movie can't/doesn't get into |
| 06:02.46 | ShareFestChick | by Doris Pilkington (that's her anglicized name) |
| 06:02.58 | ShareFestChick | her aborigines name is Nugi Garimara |
| 06:03.06 | Nidhoggr | my recent research has led me to ethipia and france. wierd combination. |
| 06:03.12 | Nidhoggr | ethiopia |
| 06:03.52 | ShareFestChick | interesting |
| 06:04.05 | ShareFestChick | another really interesting one was Kings in Grass Castles |
| 06:04.33 | ShareFestChick | which was about the settling of the northern queensland and the western territories in Australia |
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| 06:04.56 | Nidhoggr | mary durack |
| 06:04.57 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 06:05.05 | ShareFestChick | yup |
| 06:05.07 | Nidhoggr | on my list of stuff I need to read eventually. |
| 06:05.12 | ShareFestChick | really good |
| 06:05.19 | ShareFestChick | we read it while were driving around Austrlaia |
| 06:05.19 | Nidhoggr | I have to really prioritize. |
| 06:05.23 | ShareFestChick | I can't type either |
| 06:05.35 | Nidhoggr | haven't been able to read a lot simply for pleasure lately. |
| 06:05.36 | orchid | there is never enough time to read |
| 06:05.44 | Nidhoggr | orchid: so true. |
| 06:05.46 | ShareFestChick | The True History of the Kelly Gang? |
| 06:05.54 | ShareFestChick | (Peter Carey) |
| 06:06.22 | orchid | my summer book list from last year has hardly been dented |
| 06:06.27 | ShareFestChick | heh |
| 06:06.49 | ShareFestChick | I read a fair bit on our trip...tried to pick up books that were related to the area we were in |
| 06:07.02 | Nidhoggr | all my recent stuff, except one book, is historical/spiritual research. |
| 06:07.07 | ShareFestChick | heh |
| 06:07.19 | Nidhoggr | the 1 book that isn't is "one hundred years of solitude" |
| 06:07.43 | Nidhoggr | that's always a fun read. |
| 06:07.49 | ShareFestChick | yep |
| 06:08.12 | khamar | has anyone here compiled bzflag recently? |
| 06:08.14 | ShareFestChick | I read the Restaurant at the End of the Universe on our travels and decided to go back and read the whole thing in one shot |
| 06:08.28 | ShareFestChick | ooooo you wanna talk about BUSINESS?! |
| 06:09.19 | orchid | MrApathyCream: im reading "teach yourself unix shell programming in 14 days" im into day 27 :-\ |
| 06:09.19 | ShareFestChick | heh |
| 06:09.19 | Nidhoggr | khamar, the cvs HEAD, or 1.10.5? |
| 06:09.19 | khamar | the CVS |
| 06:09.19 | Nidhoggr | it's been a few days. |
| 06:09.19 | Nidhoggr | I need to compile it soon. |
| 06:09.20 | ShareFestChick | hmmm |
| 06:09.28 | ShareFestChick | I can't get to our website...can someone else try? |
| 06:09.35 | ShareFestChick | http://www.KirkandDonna.com/ |
| 06:09.55 | ShareFestChick | wonder if they are snowed under again |
| 06:10.17 | JBdiGriz | khamar: I compiled it this evening. |
| 06:10.37 | orchid | ShareFestChick: nope |
| 06:10.43 | ShareFestChick | thanks, orchid |
| 06:10.48 | bryjen | wierd. whiteness. no page. no error. |
| 06:10.51 | ShareFestChick | we'll send an email to our host |
| 06:11.00 | ShareFestChick | bryjen: who? |
| 06:11.04 | MrApathyCream | what problem u have khamar? |
| 06:11.06 | bryjen | you |
| 06:11.09 | ShareFestChick | k |
| 06:11.18 | ShareFestChick | I get "operation timed out" when I try to connect |
| 06:11.49 | ShareFestChick | was gonna look up more of the books I'd read on our trip |
| 06:11.53 | ShareFestChick | I'll have to do it later |
| 06:11.54 | bryjen | ah, now I'm getting "Connection Refused" |
| 06:12.05 | ShareFestChick | refused? |
| 06:12.07 | ShareFestChick | hmmmmm |
| 06:12.08 | ShareFestChick | weird |
| 06:12.12 | ShareFestChick | wonder if they were DOS'd |
| 06:12.40 | bryjen | or the http server isn't listening. |
| 06:13.01 | bryjen | refused by the OS. "Nobody's home. Go 'way" |
| 06:13.05 | ShareFestChick | heh |
| 06:13.07 | ShareFestChick | k |
| 06:13.22 | ShareFestChick | Nidhoggr, you have your email, but I may add to it later |
| 06:13.30 | Nidhoggr | thanks. |
| 06:13.33 | ShareFestChick | np |
| 06:13.47 | ShareFestChick | I'm gonna have to go soon..tomorrow's gonna be a big day |
| 06:15.09 | Nidhoggr | ~SportChick++ |
| 06:15.20 | Nidhoggr | ~karma sportchick |
| 06:15.21 | | sportchick has karma of 10 |
| 06:15.24 | Nidhoggr | cool! |
| 06:15.31 | Nidhoggr | ~karma |
| 06:15.31 | | nidhoggr has karma of 8 |
| 06:15.39 | ShareFestChick | ~nidhoggr++ |
| 06:15.42 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 06:15.52 | ShareFestChick | ~karma learner |
| 06:15.52 | | learner has karma of 14 |
| 06:15.58 | ShareFestChick | ~karma orchid |
| 06:15.58 | | orchid has karma of 15 |
| 06:16.05 | ShareFestChick | (she had a good day today! heh) |
| 06:16.15 | Nidhoggr | I guess. :) |
| 06:17.06 | ShareFestChick | heh |
| 06:17.07 | orchid | heh |
| 06:17.20 | orchid | its gratuitous karma |
| 06:17.31 | Littledog | ~karma littledog |
| 06:17.31 | | littledog has neutral karma |
| 06:18.27 | Littledog | k |
| 06:18.43 | ShareFestChick | orchid: and mine's not? I never do ANYTHING around here except bother others! |
| 06:19.03 | JBdiGriz | All karma is gratuitous |
| 06:19.14 | orchid | ha, i think I out-bother you by some marin |
| 06:19.25 | Littledog | ~attitude littledog |
| 06:19.31 | JBdiGriz | not for the karma in here :) |
| 06:19.33 | Littledog | see if that works or not |
| 06:19.35 | Littledog | ':| |
| 06:19.47 | JBdiGriz | Littledog: fingers, keyboard, remember |
| 06:19.48 | ShareFestChick | orchid: I seriously doubt that |
| 06:19.57 | Littledog | huh? |
| 06:20.12 | Littledog | jb huh? |
| 06:20.37 | JBdiGriz | Keep the fingers away from the keyboard for a while, you don't have to respond to everything. |
| 06:20.45 | Littledog | i know |
| 06:20.54 | pimpi_dog | good morning |
| 06:20.57 | Littledog | ive been watching for an hour and a half |
| 06:21.04 | Littledog | O.O |
| 06:21.23 | Patlabor2221 | yeah yeah yeah, patience, how long does that take |
| 06:21.30 | Patlabor2221 | he has been around |
| 06:24.16 | ShareFestChick | does anyone have any idea what tomorrow's forecast is in so cal? |
| 06:24.49 | Patlabor2221 | it was nice and sunny today |
| 06:24.52 | Patlabor2221 | can't be rain |
| 06:25.25 | ShareFestChick | heh..you ARE a dreamer, aren't you, Pat? |
| 06:25.43 | Patlabor2221 | I have been called worse :) |
| 06:25.52 | JBdiGriz | Looks nice http://weather.yahoo.com/ |
| 06:26.12 | orchid | !weather cyyz |
| 06:26.31 | guu | orchid: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson Intl., Ontario is 0°C. Conditions: Overcast. |
| 06:26.39 | bryjen | brr |
| 06:26.47 | orchid | :-\ |
| 06:27.00 | ShareFestChick | brrrrrr, orchid, that's awful! |
| 06:27.37 | orchid | it was snowing all week |
| 06:27.38 | ShareFestChick | We'd FREEZE if were doing this in Toronto! |
| 06:27.42 | *** part/#bzflag blossom (~ac8c51da@server24.greatnet.de) |
| 06:27.43 | orchid | hehe |
| 06:28.30 | khamar | how do I check what version a person is using from within the game? |
| 06:28.43 | ShareFestChick | CLIENTQUERY |
| 06:28.49 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.51 | khamar | coolness - thanks |
| 06:30.00 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (7 files): reduce winsock errors from 1125 to 326 |
| 06:30.02 | MrApathyCream | (as a message) |
| 06:37.20 | Littledog | ~peck littledog |
| 06:37.24 | | ACTION launches an entire flock of killer geese at littledog. The geese begin the pecking process, starting with the eyes and then progressing on downwards. |
| 06:37.24 | Littledog | please? |
| 06:37.27 | Littledog | and thanks |
| 06:37.38 | Littledog | i must go people |
| 06:37.43 | Nidhoggr | by ld |
| 06:37.43 | Littledog | bzhugz |
| 06:37.46 | Nidhoggr | bye even |
| 06:37.49 | Littledog | must get sleep |
| 06:37.58 | Littledog | c u |
| 06:38.10 | Littledog | it almost eleven |
| 06:38.14 | Littledog | bye! |
| 06:39.11 | Patlabor2221 | ok one should not have 6 difrent smilys in ones sig |
| 06:40.06 | ShareFestChick | what? |
| 06:40.11 | ShareFestChick | ~bzg |
| 06:41.14 | Patlabor2221 | littledog there, he's how shall we day |
| 06:41.19 | Patlabor2221 | very very young and anoying |
| 06:42.31 | orchid | ~bzg2 |
| 06:44.35 | ShareFestChick | he's learning |
| 06:45.03 | ShareFestChick | he just needs someone as experienced as you, Patlabor221, to take him under his wing |
| 06:45.40 | Patlabor2221 | we have been trying |
| 06:45.44 | Patlabor2221 | but damn |
| 06:57.09 | orchid | heh |
| 07:05.09 | Nidhoggr | libcurl is required now? |
| 07:05.35 | Nidhoggr | I'm getting a lot of curl/curl.h no such file or directory errors. |
| 07:05.43 | Nidhoggr | on vc71 build. |
| 07:21.11 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:21.26 | MrApathyCream | tupone added |
| 07:21.58 | Nidhoggr | I'll go through the readmes in the AM and add. |
| 07:21.59 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (7 files): reduce winsock errors from 326 to 123 |
| 07:22.04 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 07:22.53 | *** join/#bzflag retro (~ken@gateway-1237.mvista.com) |
| 07:23.47 | MrApathyCream | not sure how to go any further |
| 07:23.51 | Nidhoggr | retro: there is a bug being able to delete the ban. :( |
| 07:23.57 | Nidhoggr | I have to restart the server. |
| 07:24.57 | Nidhoggr | try now, retro. |
| 07:26.55 | Nidhoggr | what sort of errors are they MrAC? |
| 07:27.28 | MrApathyCream | winsock.h vs. winsock2.h name collisions |
| 07:27.34 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 07:27.48 | MrApathyCream | from curl.h |
| 07:28.01 | MrApathyCream | JoinMenu.h and bzflag.cxx |
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| 07:37.33 | MrApathyCream | hmm actually ServerMenu.h me thinks |
| 07:40.38 | MrApathyCream | no ListServer.h |
| 07:40.41 | MrApathyCream | :) |
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| 07:54.39 | khamar | Hey Nid - my compiled version works even better than the rpm! |
| 07:54.42 | khamar | CVS rocks |
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