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| 00:27.51 | learner | JBdiGriz: ... 10 minutes later I realized that you had said __xcode__ project ... =) |
| 00:29.16 | Tupone | howdy |
| 00:29.27 | learner | howdy tupone ;) |
| 00:29.31 | learner | anything new? |
| 00:29.42 | learner | is windows still broken? do i need to revert? |
| 00:29.52 | Patlabor221 | VC7.1 builds for me |
| 00:29.53 | Tupone | why window? |
| 00:30.06 | Patlabor221 | on my last commit V6 built but just had warnings |
| 00:30.25 | Patlabor221 | so just need to talk to MAC and see |
| 00:30.25 | learner | mm.. that's good/better at least |
| 00:30.28 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:30.34 | Patlabor221 | the warnings were fixable |
| 00:30.44 | Patlabor221 | the stilly paragma thing |
| 00:31.01 | Patlabor221 | puting it in config.h isn't enough, it needs to be done before the <map> include |
| 00:31.24 | Patlabor221 | but the other stuff in the config.h needs to go after other includes |
| 00:31.37 | Patlabor221 | so we may have to leve those paramgas in there, or put them in another header |
| 00:32.12 | learner | maybe the whole problem is that I put the win32.h header before the config.h header |
| 00:32.35 | learner | since I didn't look exactly what was in your config.h |
| 00:32.42 | learner | what magic/mystery, that is |
| 00:33.05 | Tupone | so, config.h will be not included as the first file also in non windows? |
| 00:33.10 | learner | win32.h had all the pragmas except for one or two network ones, that I left in network.h |
| 00:33.28 | Patlabor221 | you did, but I changed that |
| 00:33.33 | Patlabor221 | that was part of my fixes |
| 00:33.41 | Patlabor221 | like I say it shuuld compile fine |
| 00:41.09 | learner | woot |
| 00:41.17 | Nidhoggr | eek! :) congrats :) |
| 00:41.50 | Patlabor221 | it just means I keep fixing what I was fixing and the idiot goes off and changes toner cartriges and helps people run word |
| 00:41.58 | Nidhoggr | good place for him. |
| 00:42.30 | Tupone | this mean you have less time for bz? |
| 00:42.36 | Nidhoggr | ok... off to hockey. |
| 00:42.37 | Nidhoggr | later. |
| 00:42.38 | Nidhoggr | & |
| 00:43.02 | Patlabor221 | pshhh, naw, like I say it jsut means I keep dooing what I'm doing, I just have authority for it now |
| 00:43.11 | Patlabor221 | and means I can set the net up right |
| 00:43.16 | Patlabor221 | I'm not moving desk or anyting |
| 00:43.30 | Patlabor221 | actualy I did not transition into the job, the job transitioned to my dept |
| 00:43.40 | Patlabor221 | dev is now in charge of the network setup |
| 00:43.55 | Tupone | thats good! |
| 00:44.20 | Patlabor221 | will make things easyer |
| 00:44.45 | learner | that's similar to us, though it seriously impacts the amount of dev'ing |
| 00:45.38 | learner | but then, we don't have the monkey to do the petty things too |
| 00:45.48 | SportChick | is grumbler here? |
| 00:46.09 | Patlabor221 | we now have a new monkey for hardware setup too |
| 00:46.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: any more $$MONEY$$ ? :) |
| 00:46.26 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:46.35 | captain_proton | aw |
| 00:48.03 | Patlabor221 | I get no new title |
| 00:48.39 | Patlabor221 | they just said, "you go fix it, and then get Jeremy to help you" |
| 00:49.28 | Tupone | Patlabor221: I went to bzflag.galkire.net with lots of flipped pyramyds. Sometimes I see through those |
| 00:49.28 | captain_proton | heh |
| 00:49.28 | Patlabor221 | see thru? |
| 00:49.36 | Tupone | like trasparent |
| 00:49.44 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 00:49.56 | Tupone | and I have depth buffer on |
| 00:50.11 | Tupone | only on the side |
| 00:50.18 | Tupone | and far |
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| 00:52.42 | Tupone | it's a little effect: could be z-buffering being not of infinite precision? |
| 00:52.53 | Tupone | or just a bug? |
| 00:54.12 | triclops_pb | z fighting |
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| 01:01.25 | captain_proton | oops |
| 01:02.30 | learner | heh |
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| 01:04.59 | Tupone | ciao orchid |
| 01:05.22 | learner | ciao bella |
| 01:05.34 | Tupone | learner: bravissimo! |
| 01:06.11 | learner | grazie |
| 01:06.16 | orchid | hello |
| 01:06.30 | Tupone | learner: are you using ibot? |
| 01:06.35 | learner | nope |
| 01:06.42 | learner | ~sup G |
| 01:06.43 | | nuthin, yous? |
| 01:07.34 | JBdiGriz | learner, how's it going? |
| 01:10.04 | learner | pretty good jb |
| 01:10.39 | JBdiGriz | I have an application building from xcode, but the code size is huge |
| 01:11.17 | learner | coool |
| 01:11.37 | JBdiGriz | I'm going to keep playing with it until I understand xcode better :) |
| 01:11.47 | learner | didn't realize you said xcode last night :) |
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| 01:14.57 | JBdiGriz | I noticed your comment above when I scrolled up |
| 01:17.26 | Patlabor222 | how huge is huge? |
| 01:21.25 | JBdiGriz | goes up from 2MB to 20MB |
| 01:21.37 | learner | heh |
| 01:21.39 | Patlabor222 | that is prety huge |
| 01:21.48 | learner | wtf is in that? |
| 01:22.01 | learner | is that bz?? |
| 01:22.09 | JBdiGriz | It's just the client and the data, no auxiliary, and no server |
| 01:22.38 | learner | ah, did you copy the frameworks behavior we currently have too? |
| 01:22.42 | Patlabor222 | and I thought my 2.3 meg debug builds were large |
| 01:22.56 | learner | we don't need to do that, i think, for the same reason |
| 01:23.13 | JBdiGriz | no, i made them into static libraries so as to emulate the make build |
| 01:23.27 | learner | static irix builds are usually huge, but that beats it by a little |
| 01:23.31 | Patlabor222 | what increased in size JBD? the executable? I did change a bunch of textures so they would have goten a tad bigler |
| 01:25.46 | JBdiGriz | The client executable is far too large. I don't think I compared to the current make build. |
| 01:26.51 | learner | when ya gonna commit whatcha got? :) |
| 01:27.18 | JBdiGriz | After I'm happy with what it's doing. I want the aux and server included, and I want the plist to be correct. |
| 01:28.09 | Patlabor222 | for windows I am making 2 installers, one with and one with out the aux data |
| 01:28.19 | Patlabor222 | since the aux data is sizeable |
| 01:29.01 | Patlabor222 | will the term "lib3D" affect ether of you 2? |
| 01:30.18 | learner | depends what for, though my ethernet probably won't mind |
| 01:30.47 | Patlabor222 | a new poject/lib for use in the bz client |
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| 01:34.11 | JBdiGriz | Argh, we're moving my office downstairs a little at a time. Unfortunately some wires got jiggled that shouldn't have. |
| 01:34.19 | JBdiGriz | What were you saying about lib3d? |
| 01:35.54 | JBdiGriz | learner needs a better IRC client, one that realizes he's typing and should probably mark him as back rather than away and sleeping :) |
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| 01:40.29 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/ (19 files): If "text files should always be in unix format" then at least remove the binary flag on the VS projects so CVS can do the conversion for us |
| 01:41.25 | jacques | hi lo |
| 01:41.39 | jacques | experimental is really cool |
| 01:41.39 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/ (19 files): If "text files should always be in unix format" then at least remove the binary flag on the VS projects so CVS can do the conversion for us |
| 01:43.23 | Patlabor222 | DTRemenak, your CVS wasn't doing it? mine was |
| 01:43.35 | DTRemenak | no...they were marked binary (-kb) |
| 01:43.40 | Patlabor222 | odd |
| 01:44.12 | DTRemenak | they're back now, in text mode |
| 01:44.19 | scanline | CVS needs mime types |
| 01:44.56 | DTRemenak | whee...and bz no longer compiles anyway...winsock2.h errors |
| 01:45.20 | Patlabor222 | you probably need to define the winver |
| 01:45.24 | Patlabor222 | we didn't know what you needed |
| 01:45.34 | DTRemenak | hm? |
| 01:45.39 | Patlabor222 | in vc6 windows.h includes winsoc.h |
| 01:45.50 | Patlabor222 | and BZ includes that and winsock2.h |
| 01:45.56 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 01:46.08 | DTRemenak | so that's why I'm getting redefinition errors? |
| 01:46.14 | Patlabor222 | so what it nedded was a WIN_VERS define |
| 01:46.16 | Patlabor222 | yeah |
| 01:46.23 | Patlabor222 | so we did one for VC6 |
| 01:46.27 | Patlabor222 | but didn't know if you needed it |
| 01:46.34 | Patlabor222 | just move it up |
| 01:46.36 | DTRemenak | apparently I do :)...what file? |
| 01:46.37 | Patlabor222 | it's in config.h |
| 01:50.28 | DTRemenak | much better...thanks :) |
| 01:50.57 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/config.h: vc5 needs _WIN32_WINVER too |
| 01:51.45 | Patlabor222 | means it won't run on windows 3.11 with Win32S tho |
| 01:51.48 | Patlabor222 | :) |
| 01:52.22 | DTRemenak | heh...prolly wouldn't for other reasons anyway |
| 01:52.25 | DTRemenak | like directx |
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| 01:52.32 | Patlabor222 | and sockets |
| 01:52.35 | Patlabor222 | and openGL |
| 01:52.38 | Patlabor222 | and longs |
| 01:53.02 | DTRemenak | sockets and longs could be dealt with |
| 01:54.19 | DTRemenak | opengl is rather critical tho |
| 01:54.42 | scanline | heh, there's a directx version of bzflag now? :) |
| 01:54.57 | DTRemenak | no, it uses dx for input and probably something else |
| 01:55.01 | Patlabor222 | BZ uses directX |
| 01:55.05 | Patlabor222 | not input |
| 01:55.12 | DTRemenak | eh? |
| 01:55.13 | Patlabor222 | sound and to change the screen res |
| 01:55.17 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 01:55.27 | Patlabor222 | it has a win proc, it gets events as normal |
| 01:55.33 | Patlabor222 | dosn't call direct input |
| 01:55.41 | DTRemenak | coulda sworn I saw a directinput function in there...maybe it was some other project |
| 01:55.45 | scanline | and the name DirectX really doesn't mean anything... |
| 01:56.01 | Patlabor222 | it was suposed to mean that you got direct access to the hardware |
| 01:56.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:56.09 | Patlabor222 | but that changed at directX3 |
| 01:56.16 | Patlabor222 | and they just kept the name |
| 01:56.24 | scanline | but direct access to the hardware is exactly what an OS is supposed to be there to avoid... |
| 01:56.34 | Patlabor222 | the found out tha abstraction layers are good |
| 01:56.38 | Patlabor222 | yeah exactly |
| 01:56.39 | scanline | I think "direct" was just the best marketing term they could come up with to convince people it wasn't slow |
| 01:56.41 | DTRemenak | I thought about trying to get bz to compile on os/2 the other day |
| 01:56.51 | Patlabor222 | it was mostly to convince old DOS programers to convert to windows |
| 01:56.53 | scanline | and the X makes it cool |
| 01:56.55 | DTRemenak | but my os/2 machine started making clicking noises when I turned it on |
| 01:56.58 | Patlabor222 | cus they thought abstraction was slow |
| 01:57.17 | Patlabor222 | they sucked :) |
| 01:57.42 | Patlabor222 | Dsound is decent now |
| 01:57.48 | Patlabor222 | d3d is fugly |
| 01:57.56 | Patlabor222 | d input is usable |
| 01:58.12 | Patlabor222 | d play is not bad, but not compatable with anything else so noone uses it |
| 01:58.15 | DTRemenak | directplay is very wierd |
| 01:58.21 | Patlabor222 | yes it is |
| 01:58.27 | Patlabor222 | it supports a LOT of things |
| 01:58.37 | DTRemenak | most of which do not belong :) |
| 01:58.41 | Patlabor222 | ddraw has not changed realy |
| 01:58.50 | Patlabor222 | well lobby support is cool |
| 01:58.54 | DTRemenak | heh, it's just moved into the d3d core |
| 01:59.00 | Patlabor222 | yeah finaly |
| 01:59.06 | Patlabor222 | since they are so linked |
| 01:59.19 | Patlabor222 | tho unlike GL you can get a pointer to the framebuffer |
| 01:59.26 | Patlabor222 | so it does have that advantage |
| 02:00.12 | Patlabor222 | direct music has a cool feature set but one messed up API |
| 02:01.22 | Patlabor222 | gl definatly has the simpler API |
| 02:02.46 | Patlabor222 | there, now texture manager is outside of bzflag |
| 02:05.19 | Death_Barrel | pat: these new textures kick massive amounts of ass! |
| 02:05.28 | Patlabor222 | they came out ok |
| 02:05.29 | Death_Barrel | i am using 1.10.3 as we speak :) |
| 02:05.34 | Patlabor222 | still lots and lots of work to do |
| 02:05.38 | Death_Barrel | yeah |
| 02:05.52 | Death_Barrel | the word "much" keeps showing up as a curse word |
| 02:05.54 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 02:06.02 | Death_Barrel | any clue why? |
| 02:06.33 | Patlabor222 | cus it's in some list |
| 02:08.46 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDui.cxx: compromise with chestal: more efficient createSlider implementation, but still simple |
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| 02:27.54 | jacques | is there a way to make time stand still? |
| 02:28.26 | jacques | i really like sunrise but then time moves on and I lose the great light |
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| 02:39.18 | MrApathyCream | Give peace a chance, Tim! |
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| 02:42.40 | MrApathyCream | why, oh, why should dsp's have unix line endings? |
| 02:42.50 | MrApathyCream | Its a pain in the arse to do that |
| 02:46.11 | MrApathyCream | GRRR: The programming elves did NOT come in and fix the vc build |
| 02:46.30 | bryjen | won't CVS fixup the line terminators if its told the files are text? |
| 02:46.34 | DTRemenak | what's wrong with it? |
| 02:47.06 | MrApathyCream | bryjen not cvshome.org's |
| 02:47.26 | MrApathyCream | DTRemenak: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\ATL\INCLUDE\atliface.h(2055) : error C2065: 'GUID_NULL' : undeclared identifier |
| 02:47.39 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\ATL\INCLUDE\atliface.h(2055) : error C2440: 'default argument' : cannot convert from 'int' to 'const struct _GUID &' |
| 02:47.39 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.39 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.39 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\ATL\INCLUDE\atliface.h(2055) : error C2548: 'AtlAxCreateControlEx' : missing default parameter for parameter 6 |
| 02:47.53 | DTRemenak | hm...I don't have that problem, but then, I don't have a VC98 directory either :) |
| 02:48.12 | MrApathyCream | bryjen: so i have to convert all by hand every time i do a up that changes |
| 02:48.44 | MrApathyCream | bryjen: i doubt you *nix folks are using them :) |
| 02:49.08 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt: remove the unknowns until they are known |
| 02:50.22 | learner | hehe, ooo ooo eee eee eeeek! |
| 02:50.26 | bryjen | maybe just the client he's using |
| 02:51.00 | DTRemenak | wincvs' clients do |
| 02:51.11 | DTRemenak | but that may be specific to them |
| 02:51.46 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 02:58.54 | DTRemenak | MrApathyCream: cvsnt.org's client has --lf and --crlf switches |
| 03:03.48 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/common.h: revert away win32.h for now closer to a previous state until build issues are resolved |
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| 03:06.43 | learner | mac, is that any better? |
| 03:07.03 | learner | not complete revert just yet, but closer to what it was, for sure |
| 03:14.17 | Patlabor222 | well my CVS takes care of line conversions |
| 03:19.04 | Patlabor222 | ok creamy apathy man, how is your build doing? |
| 03:19.09 | Patlabor222 | it all good or still borked? |
| 03:23.01 | learner | pat, did that fix maintain working state for you? |
| 03:23.20 | learner | or did I miss a #endif again? |
| 03:23.39 | Patlabor222 | havent' tried |
| 03:23.42 | Patlabor222 | uno moment |
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| 03:27.19 | creeperz | is hard lemonade a whiskey or a spirit? |
| 03:27.46 | learner | ~whisky |
| 03:27.51 | | extra, extra, read all about it, whisky is very tasty, or good, mmkay |
| 03:27.51 | learner | ~dict whisky |
| 03:28.10 | learner | ~dict spirit |
| 03:28.30 | captain_proton | ~dict spirits |
| 03:28.43 | creeperz | so hard lemonade would prolly be a spirit... |
| 03:28.55 | learner | hard lemonade can contain a whiskey or a spirit |
| 03:28.58 | Patlabor222 | it's nether, it's a mixed drink |
| 03:29.20 | learner | hard just means it is lemon-sugar-water mixed with alkeehall |
| 03:29.36 | creeperz | i think pat is right |
| 03:29.50 | learner | that's what I just said too |
| 03:29.52 | creeperz | wtf? the DARE cop lied to me! :-) |
| 03:31.13 | Patlabor222 | he told you it was something difrent when he sold it to you? |
| 03:31.29 | captain_proton | haha |
| 03:31.31 | learner | heh |
| 03:31.42 | creeperz | lol |
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| 04:11.22 | Death_Barrel | anyone here? |
| 04:11.42 | Death_Barrel | does the new 1.10.4 have proxy support? |
| 04:11.59 | patlabor221 | for the game, no |
| 04:12.04 | patlabor221 | most proxys don't do UDP |
| 04:12.25 | patlabor221 | the list server has some transperant proxy support |
| 04:13.44 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 04:13.45 | Death_Barrel | darn |
| 04:14.38 | Death_Barrel | will any future versions have it? |
| 04:14.38 | Death_Barrel | maybe? |
| 04:14.38 | learner | maybe |
| 04:14.38 | Death_Barrel | i hope so |
| 04:14.38 | patlabor221 | that means TCP only |
| 04:14.38 | patlabor221 | so it wouold not be fast |
| 04:14.38 | Death_Barrel | it is a real pain in the butt now |
| 04:14.38 | Death_Barrel | ni hear you |
| 04:14.46 | Death_Barrel | i just want to play at work during lunch :( |
| 04:14.50 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 04:14.55 | Death_Barrel | well, time for bed |
| 04:15.10 | Death_Barrel | cu guys tomorrow |
| 04:15.10 | learner | cya |
| 04:22.44 | jacques | any thoughts on syncing to vsync to avoid tearing? |
| 04:22.58 | jacques | i notice it more using experimental for some reason |
| 04:23.31 | patlabor221 | vsynch is part of your driver setup turn it on |
| 04:24.06 | learner | depends on your platform too |
| 04:24.10 | jacques | under linux nvidia drivers? |
| 04:24.24 | learner | mac client does sync with vsync |
| 04:25.00 | jacques | I always thought it was a GL request |
| 04:25.04 | jacques | in nvidia drivers |
| 04:25.31 | jacques | tho I suppose it could be in the config file - I should check and stop bothering you :-D |
| 04:25.54 | learner | it does depend on your GL system, for you, the XGL implementation for linux |
| 04:26.12 | learner | I don't know for that platform, you'd have to look in src/platform |
| 04:26.22 | jacques | BTW, experimental textures look _nice_ (using alternate.zip) |
| 04:26.55 | patlabor221 | on windows it's the driver |
| 04:31.43 | learner | aww.. b'tard.. |
| 04:31.47 | learner | sussi has a firegl |
| 04:31.58 | learner | :) |
| 04:32.01 | jacques | brief quote: |
| 04:32.04 | jacques | Setting the environment variable __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK to a non-zero value |
| 04:32.04 | jacques | will force glXSwapBuffers to sync to your monitor's vertical refresh rate |
| 04:32.04 | jacques | (perform a swap only during the vertical blanking period) on GeForce or |
| 04:32.04 | jacques | newer hardware (ie: everything but TNT/TNT2 products). |
| 04:32.55 | learner | Good to know, though I'm still almost positive there's a way to do it in code for X11 as well |
| 04:33.09 | jacques | I will have to try that env var when I get home |
| 04:34.02 | patlabor221 | yeah driver thing |
| 04:34.35 | jacques | I also have an ATI card in another machine - any thoughts on that? are the ATI drivers mature enough yet? |
| 04:34.41 | jacques | (under linux) |
| 04:34.53 | patlabor221 | what ATI? |
| 04:35.03 | jacques | 9800 pro 128MB |
| 04:35.21 | patlabor221 | those are the real ATI made drivers |
| 04:35.26 | jacques | (my windows game machine, which dual boots) |
| 04:35.30 | patlabor221 | one would hope they work |
| 04:35.39 | jacques | well I get glitches in ut2k3 |
| 04:35.52 | jacques | and the guy in #ati said they know about it and are working on it |
| 04:35.56 | patlabor221 | yeah that would just be the ATI part of it :) |
| 04:36.09 | jacques | I guess I should try it and let you know |
| 04:36.10 | patlabor221 | I have not had good luck with ATI drivers |
| 04:36.25 | jacques | patlabor221: windows, linux, or both? |
| 04:36.30 | patlabor221 | windows |
| 04:37.46 | jacques | the new 4.0 and 4.1 are supposed to be rather good |
| 04:38.28 | learner | "Allways include windows before config when in windows files." ?? |
| 04:38.39 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:38.43 | learner | what's that mean? |
| 04:38.45 | patlabor221 | it makes the #defs work |
| 04:38.51 | patlabor221 | windows.h |
| 04:39.11 | learner | hrm.. |
| 04:39.28 | patlabor221 | MAC say it NFG? |
| 04:39.30 | learner | oh.. that's because you test the version of windows in config |
| 04:39.36 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:39.43 | patlabor221 | and stuff that it may define |
| 04:39.45 | patlabor221 | if it dosn't we do it |
| 04:39.51 | patlabor221 | there are multiple windows.h versions |
| 04:40.16 | learner | hrm.. could that get moved to common.h or into the win32.h if we ever get it working to be consistentn? |
| 04:40.25 | learner | the check, that is |
| 04:41.01 | learner | that'll cause confusion more than once, I'm sure, as autoconf docs repeatedly recommend that config.h always be first |
| 04:41.11 | scanline | anyone have IE 6 handy? |
| 04:41.24 | patlabor221 | yes, we may have to break win32.h tho |
| 04:41.26 | patlabor221 | into parts |
| 04:42.03 | learner | is the problem that you don't want to include windows.h ? |
| 04:42.06 | learner | all the time |
| 04:42.12 | learner | like in common? |
| 04:43.21 | patlabor221 | well the paragmas really have to come first |
| 04:43.24 | patlabor221 | then windows |
| 04:43.27 | patlabor221 | then whatever |
| 04:43.33 | patlabor221 | then common and config |
| 04:44.03 | learner | hrm.. sounds like something is possible, then |
| 04:44.17 | learner | tweakage for later, i suppose |
| 04:44.26 | patlabor221 | ohh of course |
| 04:45.24 | learner | scanline, I have a variety of browsers on hand |
| 04:45.53 | patlabor221 | I have IE6 here |
| 04:45.54 | learner | woo hoo.. down to 10 e-mail messages (from 130) |
| 04:45.56 | patlabor221 | link me |
| 04:46.10 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/ |
| 04:46.30 | learner | now if I could tackle my main e-mail account with many hundreds of messages so swiftly :( |
| 04:48.33 | patlabor221 | hmm looks ok to me, let me send you a pict |
| 04:49.04 | patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/cia.png |
| 04:49.51 | patlabor221 | grr silly thing |
| 04:50.24 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/cia.png |
| 04:51.23 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/cia.png |
| 04:54.48 | captain_proton | learner: whats the one on the bottom? |
| 04:55.00 | learner | iCab |
| 04:55.04 | captain_proton | ohh |
| 04:55.07 | captain_proton | right |
| 04:55.09 | learner | freeware thing |
| 04:55.12 | captain_proton | that rediculous one |
| 04:55.18 | learner | rather useless when it comes to standards |
| 04:55.54 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx RadarRenderer.cxx menus.cxx playing.cxx): |
| 04:55.54 | CIA-4 | MingW compile fixes - std::max and std::min are good, PATH_MAX already defined |
| 04:55.54 | CIA-4 | Change #defines for these from _WIN32 to _MSC_VER |
| 04:55.59 | learner | i don't run it, i forget why I even downloaded it |
| 04:56.11 | scanline | looks like the worst thing IE6 is doing is messing up the bullet alignment a tiny bit |
| 04:56.22 | scanline | which I guess is alright, since the CSS spec is really loose on those |
| 04:56.41 | scanline | yeah, iCab seems to be ignoring random parts of the CSS :P |
| 04:57.03 | scanline | no idea why safari isn't showing the white box at all |
| 04:57.10 | learner | i wondered that too |
| 04:57.17 | learner | it's supposed to be the most compliant of the three |
| 04:57.27 | scanline | it's pretty much the same as the section body div |
| 04:57.32 | scanline | so... quite odd |
| 04:57.48 | learner | *shrug* |
| 04:58.00 | triclops | scanline, my safari is showing the white box |
| 04:58.07 | scanline | triclops: ah, that's good |
| 04:58.12 | learner | woah, wierd |
| 04:58.37 | scanline | how about the gray underline on "Introduction"? |
| 04:58.45 | triclops | yep |
| 04:58.48 | scanline | neat |
| 04:59.06 | learner | triclops, which build? |
| 04:59.14 | triclops | of safari? |
| 04:59.22 | learner | yes |
| 04:59.31 | learner | I'm 100.1 (1.1.1) |
| 04:59.35 | triclops | 1.1.1 (v100.1) |
| 04:59.47 | learner | hrm, same version |
| 04:59.50 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:59.53 | triclops | but it might be todo with OSX |
| 04:59.53 | scanline | oh |
| 05:00.01 | scanline | learner: I bet you have the old style.css in cache |
| 05:00.05 | triclops | WebKit thingo or whatever its called |
| 05:00.09 | learner | ah, perhaps |
| 05:00.37 | captain_proton | ow |
| 05:00.46 | learner | yep, that was it |
| 05:00.53 | scanline | yay |
| 05:00.56 | learner | all purdy and what not |
| 05:01.10 | triclops | kewl |
| 05:01.41 | scanline | sounds familiar :P |
| 05:02.09 | learner | familiar? |
| 05:02.28 | scanline | yeah, a stylesheet quite similar to this one has been used in several places by captain_proton and I :) |
| 05:02.39 | learner | ah :) |
| 05:02.56 | scanline | I think I originally wrote it for the old CIA.. then modified it a little for the little CGI doodads on navi |
| 05:03.10 | scanline | then captain_proton took that and modified it a little for some new web doodads with XSLT, and for sxmadb |
| 05:03.25 | scanline | lots of enhancements for the new CIA though |
| 05:03.30 | DTRemenak | heh, when I try to connect to http://cia.navi.cx in ncsa mosaic I get a squid error from manage.pld-linux.org |
| 05:03.43 | scanline | DTRemenak: you need HTTP/1.1, it's a named virtual host |
| 05:04.09 | learner | time to snooze, cya gents |
| 05:04.12 | DTRemenak | that's probably what the error message says, but it says it in a character set mosaic doesn't have :) |
| 05:04.14 | scanline | cia.navi.cx points to a squid proxy that redirects it to the TwistedWeb server |
| 05:04.17 | scanline | oh |
| 05:04.28 | scanline | should be ISO Latin 1 |
| 05:04.36 | DTRemenak | want a screenshot? |
| 05:04.45 | scanline | eh, not really :) |
| 05:05.44 | DTRemenak | B£¡D |
| 05:05.46 | DTRemenak | hm, copying and pasting turns it into " ¯±dany URL nie mo¿e zostaæ pobran" from a bunch of little black boxes... |
| 05:06.51 | DTRemenak | aw, scanline doesn't care about mosaic! |
| 05:07.14 | scanline | DTRemenak: patches welcome |
| 05:07.22 | DTRemenak | heh! |
| 05:09.33 | MrApathyCream | DTRemenak: -lf? -crlf? |
| 05:10.05 | DTRemenak | cvsnt.org added a couple switches so that you can check out with unix lf or win crlf |
| 05:10.17 | DTRemenak | if you use cvsnt.org's client instead of cvshome.org's |
| 05:10.22 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:10.57 | MrApathyCream | so one checks out with -crlf and checks in with -lf? |
| 05:11.12 | DTRemenak | I think it's just for co and update |
| 05:11.18 | DTRemenak | checkins are always lf |
| 05:11.23 | DTRemenak | which makes sense |
| 05:12.07 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 05:12.39 | DTRemenak | wincvs uses cvsnt as it's backend |
| 05:12.42 | DTRemenak | *its |
| 05:14.12 | MrApathyCream | still boosted (the alttrace stuff) |
| 05:14.15 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\ATL\INCLUDE\atliface.h(2055) : error C2065: 'GUID_NULL' : undeclared identifier |
| 05:14.15 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\ATL\INCLUDE\atliface.h(2055) : error C2440: 'default argument' : cannot convert from 'int' to 'const struct _GUID &' |
| 05:14.15 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.15 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.16 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\ATL\INCLUDE\atliface.h(2055) : error C2548: 'AtlAxCreateControlEx' : missing default parameter for parameter 6 |
| 05:15.16 | gonkulator | :) |
| 05:15.51 | DTRemenak | heh, I tried compiling in debug mode on VC5, and got linker errors with AtlTrace |
| 05:16.14 | DTRemenak | I've no clue why |
| 05:21.10 | patlabor221 | thats up to you 2 |
| 05:21.19 | patlabor221 | since you each have your own #def |
| 05:21.38 | patlabor221 | you can go back to your terminal thing if you want |
| 05:21.41 | patlabor221 | it's all seperate |
| 05:25.16 | MrApathyCream | well i certainly can try just ATLTRACE |
| 05:25.19 | MrApathyCream | like VC5 |
| 05:25.28 | MrApathyCream | but that prolly does the same thing |
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| 06:03.22 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/platform/WinDisplay.cxx: try to recover from the learner bomb |
| 06:04.43 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/mediafile/PNGImageFile.cxx: try to recover from the learner bomb |
| 06:05.26 | MrApathyCream | sheesh i'm back up to gazillions or errors |
| 06:09.28 | Noodleman_laptop | eww |
| 06:09.35 | Noodleman_laptop | i wouldn't wanna drink that beer |
| 06:09.38 | Noodleman_laptop | :-) |
| 06:22.04 | triclops | pat: what do reckon about a game engine driven purely by callbacks? Including the 'main' loop |
| 06:23.06 | patlabor221 | C callback? |
| 06:23.15 | patlabor221 | why not just derived classes? |
| 06:23.29 | triclops | either works |
| 06:23.44 | patlabor221 | that is how I did the P24 system |
| 06:23.53 | triclops | ahh, nice |
| 06:23.57 | patlabor221 | allmost everything is a registered class |
| 06:24.05 | patlabor221 | yu just need to make sure it's fast |
| 06:24.12 | patlabor221 | not a lot of lookups |
| 06:24.30 | triclops | yeah. it makes plugins really simple too. |
| 06:24.36 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:24.47 | patlabor221 | classes are a lot cleaner then C callbacks |
| 06:24.54 | triclops | yeah, i agree |
| 06:25.59 | triclops | if i have to rewrite a client methinks i'll go down that track |
| 06:26.11 | patlabor221 | you do have to ballance it |
| 06:26.22 | triclops | balance? |
| 06:26.32 | patlabor221 | usin one idiom like that can get you into some trouble |
| 06:26.52 | patlabor221 | yeah slickness over performance and readablitly and maint and all that |
| 06:27.25 | triclops | how would that technique affect performance? |
| 06:27.27 | patlabor221 | they are games, they usualy have to be fast |
| 06:27.41 | patlabor221 | depends how your doing it |
| 06:27.49 | patlabor221 | if all things are registerd with names say |
| 06:27.58 | patlabor221 | and you do a name lookup on each call |
| 06:28.01 | patlabor221 | that's a lot of lookups |
| 06:28.45 | triclops | yeah. i was thinking of having arrays of handlers that each got called for a particular event |
| 06:28.47 | patlabor221 | it does depend on your specific implemntations |
| 06:29.05 | patlabor221 | so for each event your doing aray iterating |
| 06:29.12 | patlabor221 | that can take more time then just a function |
| 06:29.16 | patlabor221 | it is more flexable |
| 06:29.26 | patlabor221 | all depends how often you do things |
| 06:29.46 | patlabor221 | and events are only one part of a game |
| 06:30.42 | triclops | iterating is much faster than lookups |
| 06:30.53 | patlabor221 | yes |
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| 06:31.01 | patlabor221 | so it would probably work for you |
| 06:31.13 | patlabor221 | that is your ballance |
| 06:32.10 | triclops | why do you spell balance with 2 ls? is it a us thing? |
| 06:32.25 | jacques | has any work been done on recording/playback ? |
| 06:32.25 | captain_proton | triclops: no |
| 06:32.35 | captain_proton | patlabor221 has bad spelling muscles |
| 06:32.38 | patlabor221 | no cus th4e keybaors isfar away:) |
| 06:32.38 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:32.51 | triclops | :) |
| 06:33.12 | patlabor221 | least I have a working build ;) |
| 06:34.43 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:37.04 | MrApathyCream | too late |
| 06:37.09 | patlabor221 | more |
| 06:37.37 | captain_proton | poor MAC :( |
| 06:38.04 | MrApathyCream | back to the fd_set gaziillion errors problem |
| 06:38.08 | patlabor221 | so it's warning? |
| 06:38.11 | patlabor221 | or errors? |
| 06:38.14 | patlabor221 | hmm |
| 06:38.54 | MrApathyCream | errors |
| 06:38.57 | MrApathyCream | fd_set redef |
| 06:39.03 | MrApathyCream | winsock.h vs winsock2.h |
| 06:39.04 | patlabor221 | well who the hell borked all the dsp files? |
| 06:39.12 | MrApathyCream | that would be tim |
| 06:39.15 | MrApathyCream | idiot |
| 06:39.16 | patlabor221 | got your winver define in the right spot |
| 06:39.22 | patlabor221 | so fix them |
| 06:39.24 | patlabor221 | I can't build |
| 06:39.24 | MrApathyCream | who knows |
| 06:39.29 | patlabor221 | screw his text thing |
| 06:39.38 | patlabor221 | so just gonna give up? |
| 06:39.38 | MrApathyCream | he purposely said "text files should be unix line endings" |
| 06:39.42 | patlabor221 | that's not liek you |
| 06:39.47 | MrApathyCream | think so |
| 06:40.14 | MrApathyCream | its very 1.8ian |
| 06:40.21 | MrApathyCream | i have little tolerance for this kind of thing |
| 06:40.30 | patlabor221 | tim did not make the changes |
| 06:40.38 | patlabor221 | dtr did |
| 06:41.05 | MrApathyCream | well tim made them have nix endings |
| 06:41.42 | patlabor221 | I'll tell him he won't get a single windows build if they don't work |
| 06:44.05 | patlabor221 | I see how it's borked I will fix for you, and revert the changes |
| 06:44.10 | patlabor221 | don't care if he complains |
| 06:57.55 | patlabor221 | down to 6 errors 23 warnings |
| 07:01.19 | patlabor221 | bzfs now builds |
| 07:01.25 | patlabor221 | working on warnings |
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| 07:08.46 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (16 files in 6 dirs): fixes for proper VC6 biulds |
| 07:08.58 | triclops | is there a 'this' concept in C++ like java and php? |
| 07:09.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it's called this |
| 07:09.29 | triclops | ok, coolies |
| 07:09.38 | Patlabor221 | where do you think java and php got it from :) |
| 07:09.45 | triclops | hehe, good point |
| 07:10.39 | Patlabor221 | usualy you only need it with operators can factory type classes |
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| 07:11.20 | Patlabor221 | mac should be working now, checking on the line ending |
| 07:11.48 | Patlabor221 | I did a rebuild all on bzfs and bzflag with my changes and they built |
| 07:13.21 | Patlabor221 | it also seems that tort does the line conversions on a new get but borks it on an update when they change in the file |
| 07:13.34 | Patlabor221 | a clean get makes them open fine |
| 07:28.39 | triclops | hmm, McDonalds happy meals have a pair of blue/red 3d glasses. I might get a pair and play bzflag in anaglyph mode... |
| 07:30.41 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: the conculstion of the 257 dragon story |
| 07:30.42 | Patlabor221 | http://www.gamespy.com/dailyvictim/ |
| 07:30.49 | Patlabor221 | includes a unix sysadmin :) |
| 07:39.27 | scanline | haha |
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| 07:41.07 | Patlabor221 | the part about the koreans is funny |
| 07:41.16 | scanline | indeed |
| 07:41.58 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:42.00 | Patlabor221 | well thought out |
| 07:42.05 | Patlabor221 | a town in inventory |
| 08:46.50 | fontenot | hey, the __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK thing seems to work! |
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| 09:17.34 | bomber | moin |
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| 11:00.55 | larsl | CVS down again... |
| 11:01.36 | [dmp] | bzflag.org down too |
| 11:03.06 | Chestal | bzflag.org works again for me |
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| 11:12.12 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 11:12.56 | Pimpinella | any BiPs here? |
| 11:13.58 | bomber | ~d |
| 11:14.39 | Pimpinella | bomber: dont wanna play no more?# |
| 11:15.06 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 11:15.16 | bomber | sio=someone in office :o( |
| 11:15.22 | Pimpinella | :( |
| 11:15.25 | bomber | ~d |
| 11:16.31 | bomber | ~d |
| 11:27.30 | Pimpinella | which version? |
| 11:27.55 | Pimpinella | i used BZEdit in wine already |
| 11:28.13 | Pimpinella | few month ago |
| 11:29.08 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 11:30.37 | bomber | ~d |
| 11:31.18 | Pimpinella | guten appetit |
| 11:39.07 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 11:42.52 | larsl | Pimpinella: Latest version. |
| 11:43.04 | larsl | It used to work for me earlier too. |
| 11:43.40 | larsl | I guess we should just update the native Linux bzedit. |
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| 11:51.15 | your_dog | good morning |
| 11:52.44 | your_dog | wake up and get your head off the keybaord y'all :D |
| 11:53.29 | scanline | NO! |
| 11:53.31 | scanline | I mean... |
| 11:53.36 | scanline | morning, sunshine |
| 11:54.54 | your_dog | lol |
| 11:55.17 | your_dog | you are my sunshine, my only sunshine... :) |
| 11:55.28 | your_dog | now i've got that song stuck in my head! |
| 11:55.51 | scanline | she's actual size, but she seems much bigger to me |
| 11:57.50 | your_dog | huh? |
| 11:59.29 | your_dog | have to switch computers,brb |
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| 12:21.24 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 12:25.07 | bomber | ~d |
| 12:35.30 | your_dog | breakfast time! |
| 12:35.32 | your_dog | cy'all l8r |
| 12:47.51 | bomber | ~d |
| 13:11.37 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 13:12.39 | Pimpinella | could somebody try 'host ducati.bzflag.org' ? |
| 13:13.56 | Chestal | uhm,bzflag.org down again? |
| 13:14.08 | Chestal | use ducati.unix-ag.org instead |
| 13:14.34 | Pimpinella | k |
| 13:14.38 | Pimpinella | tnx |
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| 13:18.12 | fontenot | how do I change where it looks for the master server list? |
| 13:19.31 | fontenot | found it (I think) |
| 13:20.45 | fontenot | no that didn't help |
| 13:20.59 | fontenot | what should I set the server list to? |
| 13:22.12 | Pimpinella | call bzflag with '-list <URL of listserver>' |
| 13:23.14 | fontenot | yeah but what should the "URL of listserver" be? |
| 13:23.33 | fontenot | I tried ducati.unix-ag.org/db |
| 13:23.56 | Tupone | http://db.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 13:24.33 | fontenot | yeah that's the default, but it's not working right now |
| 13:24.48 | Pimpinella | should work again |
| 13:24.57 | fontenot | OK thanks :-) |
| 13:24.59 | Pimpinella | NS seemed to be down |
| 13:25.49 | fontenot | yep it works again, thanks |
| 13:26.10 | Pimpinella | ~d |
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| 15:11.06 | Oman | why is the Sever List down on 1.10 |
| 15:11.14 | Noodleman_laptop | cold pizza is the 8th sacrament... |
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| 15:16.40 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
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| 15:18.39 | Nidhoggr | I got the mac version to build and it runs really nice on my work macintosh. *cough* |
| 15:21.03 | Nidhoggr | a new issue with bzfs... one of my users isn't recognized by the system .:MASTR:. (NZ) |
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| 16:00.17 | Grumbler | anybody know if i can put commands in a config file and on the command line......or is it one or the other |
| 16:02.53 | Grumbler | no jb, no learner......where are all the mac warriors......i have a significant question hahha |
| 16:04.13 | larsl | Grumbler: I've used both and it worked, I'm not sure if it's supposed to work or if I was lucky. |
| 16:04.23 | larsl | Brrr. |
| 16:04.25 | larsl | ~weather essb |
| 16:04.59 | Grumbler | larsl: thanks |
| 16:05.49 | larsl | Nidhoggr: What does his/her passdb entry look like (just the callsign part)? |
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| 16:09.09 | Nidhoggr | for some reason it's in the userdb but not the passdb |
| 16:09.13 | Nidhoggr | how would that be? |
| 16:09.20 | Nidhoggr | he was working fine before upgrade yesterday. |
| 16:09.41 | larsl | Hm. |
| 16:10.10 | Nidhoggr | his entry in userdb is |
| 16:10.12 | Nidhoggr | .:MASTR:. (NZ) |
| 16:10.19 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 16:10.30 | Nidhoggr | is thinking the : is a seperator? |
| 16:10.59 | larsl | Probably - I'll look at the code. |
| 16:11.01 | Nidhoggr | and did that change? |
| 16:13.41 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Is the user '.' in the passdb file? |
| 16:13.57 | Nidhoggr | yes |
| 16:14.37 | larsl | That's him, then... |
| 16:14.41 | larsl | Maybe we should search from the end of the string instead. |
| 16:16.34 | Nidhoggr | why was it working fine until recently? |
| 16:17.07 | larsl | How recently? |
| 16:17.11 | larsl | Yesterday, OK... |
| 16:17.23 | Nidhoggr | I restarted server last night. previous was jan 15 |
| 16:17.39 | Nidhoggr | both new compiles of that day. |
| 16:18.06 | larsl | Dev CVS is down. I'll try to get a log from anonymous. |
| 16:18.14 | Nidhoggr | ok |
| 16:18.19 | Nidhoggr | thank you :) |
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| 16:21.41 | larsl | The only change since the 15th to that file is TimRiker's copyright changes. Anonymous CVS can be up to one day behind, so if anything changed it must have been yesterday. |
| 16:22.11 | captain_proton | is anoncvs still behind? they should be running on the same servers now |
| 16:22.29 | larsl | Maybe not. |
| 16:22.46 | larsl | Although anonymous CVS is working now, and dev CVS is down. |
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| 16:23.23 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Maybe this was the first time you restarted the server after that player had registered? |
| 16:23.30 | Nidhoggr | could be. |
| 16:23.40 | larsl | Then the bug has probably been there forever. |
| 16:23.51 | Nidhoggr | so it was in memory correctly, but not in the file correctly. |
| 16:24.37 | larsl | It was probably written correctly the first time, but next time you started the server it read the callsign as '.' and when it saved next time it was wrong. |
| 16:25.55 | larsl | It might be as simple as replacing find(':') with rfind(':'). |
| 16:27.02 | Nidhoggr | I'd prefer that we don't even bother with certain extended characters in callsigns, then we don't run into stuff like this. :) |
| 16:27.09 | Nidhoggr | it's also easier to /kick people. |
| 16:27.36 | Nidhoggr | we've had a lot of people with \/(), etc, in their callsigns. |
| 16:27.51 | larsl | Yes, that's annoying. |
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| 16:51.22 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I wonder if I could convince my provider to hook my gbic up instead of FE |
| 16:52.59 | Nidhoggr | yay! player mrtgs are working again on secretplace/dragon |
| 16:53.07 | Nidhoggr | http://mrtg.tiphareth.net |
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| 16:53.30 | Nidhoggr | I hadn't updated mrtg script since 1.7 |
| 16:56.51 | larsl | How long can an IPv6 address be? |
| 17:01.09 | Nidhoggr | up to 39 digits |
| 17:01.14 | larsl | Thanks. |
| 17:01.21 | Nidhoggr | 128 bytes |
| 17:01.53 | Nidhoggr | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x412.html has some good info. |
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| 17:24.41 | Patlabor221 | is it dig on 'nix to do a better nslookup? |
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| 17:25.22 | JBdiGriz | Patlabor221, yes, but you might want to check the man page |
| 17:25.47 | Nidhoggr | dig can do some fun stuff. |
| 17:26.07 | Nidhoggr | my favorite is dig hostname.domain.com +trace |
| 17:26.28 | JBdiGriz | depends on your definition of fun, but it's definitely useful. |
| 17:26.32 | Patlabor221 | well we have some web redirectors suposedly set at our ISP and I need to see if they are setup |
| 17:26.46 | Patlabor221 | nslookup on windows says they don't resolve |
| 17:27.54 | Nidhoggr | i have a skewed sense of fun. I like unix administration. :) |
| 17:28.29 | Nidhoggr | for some reason 1.10.3 works a lot faster on my mac than 1.7 |
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| 17:39.17 | Patlabor221 | cus it kicks ass :) |
| 17:39.27 | Patlabor221 | and loads less textures |
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| 17:49.03 | larsl | Can someone please try to connect to the bzfs server at 213.100.50.18:5154? bzadmin is OK, I just need to see what happens when you connect. |
| 17:50.34 | Nidhoggr | done |
| 17:51.03 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Good idea. |
| 17:51.12 | Nidhoggr | thanks :) |
| 17:51.32 | Nidhoggr | the client ignores them, fortunately. |
| 17:54.01 | Nidhoggr | also a way to message observer team. :) |
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| 18:21.09 | TheDarkSamurai | hi all the government have said yes to teh National Enlgand Bzflag League |
| 18:21.32 | Noodleman_laptop | kewl :-) |
| 18:21.51 | TheDarkSamurai | so in one years time the league will be opened |
| 18:21.52 | TimRiker | government of Enlgand ? |
| 18:22.06 | TheDarkSamurai | government of England |
| 18:22.22 | TheDarkSamurai | OMG!!!!!!! you don't know where england is |
| 18:22.34 | TheDarkSamurai | man you discrase my world |
| 18:22.43 | larsl | How many bzflag players are there in England? |
| 18:22.44 | Noodleman_laptop | he lives in texas, doesn't surprise me a bit :-) |
| 18:22.48 | TheDarkSamurai | lol |
| 18:22.56 | TheDarkSamurai | tim its in The UK!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:23.18 | Noodleman_laptop | he was being facetious, TheDarkSamurai |
| 18:23.26 | TheDarkSamurai | i only hope you know where the UK is |
| 18:23.47 | TheDarkSamurai | anywhere |
| 18:23.54 | TheDarkSamurai | way* |
| 18:24.17 | TheDarkSamurai | around 40 teams in one league in schedualed matches |
| 18:24.25 | JBdiGriz | I think he knows where England and the UK are, but where is Enlgand? It sounds a little Icelandic to me. :) |
| 18:24.34 | Noodleman_laptop | haha |
| 18:24.59 | TheDarkSamurai | Icelandic? |
| 18:25.08 | TheDarkSamurai | what you mean icelandic |
| 18:25.28 | JBdiGriz | OMG!!!!!!! you don't know where Iceland is |
| 18:25.41 | TheDarkSamurai | ha ha ha ha ha very funny |
| 18:25.42 | Noodleman_laptop | like, eric the red, the althing, that sorta good stuff :-) |
| 18:25.57 | TheDarkSamurai | england is no where near iceland |
| 18:27.01 | JBdiGriz | It's closer to Iceland than to California. :) |
| 18:27.20 | JBdiGriz | or even Texas (yeehaw) |
| 18:27.22 | Noodleman_laptop | tim's actually a lot smarter than i gave him credit for :-) |
| 18:28.00 | JBdiGriz | Never belittle the ops in their channel, they have the power :) |
| 18:31.12 | larsl | Nidhoggr: What's the policy on autopiloting on secretplace? |
| 18:31.34 | Noodleman_laptop | autopilot == we 0wn your butt! |
| 18:31.40 | Noodleman_laptop | :-) |
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| 18:44.12 | Nidhoggr | larsl, we've been telling people to not use it, and kick them off if they persist. |
| 18:44.29 | Nidhoggr | we have people that use it as a substitute for pause. |
| 18:44.35 | larsl | OK. There was someone who used it a few minutes ago, and didn't respond when I asked him. |
| 18:44.43 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 18:45.45 | Nidhoggr | you can see a list of admins at http://bzflag.secretplace.us you should be able to get one to warn pausers... especially if they don't have the current mod to announce. |
| 18:46.02 | Nidhoggr | we have a lot of admins now. |
| 18:46.51 | Nidhoggr | 28 wow. |
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| 18:54.38 | KR | hey dmp wanna play a match? |
| 18:54.47 | KR | nagainst Nano Nano |
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| 19:09.34 | larsl | Bah, no CVS for at least 2 more hours. |
| 19:12.44 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 19:12.46 | Nidhoggr | evil sf |
| 19:22.09 | Chestal | good that sf is down, so noone will do any commits so close to release ;-) |
| 19:22.38 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:23.07 | Chestal | there's still that Quol requireidentify bug in BUGS |
| 19:23.20 | Chestal | would be good to hear from Quol, I think he updated his servers |
| 19:23.36 | larsl | Hm, stdboth seems broken. |
| 19:25.14 | larsl | stdout too. |
| 19:25.57 | Nidhoggr | ut oh |
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| 19:50.13 | Nidhoggr | does openGL exist for playstation/dreamcast/xbox? |
| 19:50.32 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 19:50.48 | brlcad | ~google opengl playstation gamecube |
| 19:51.03 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 19:51.39 | brlcad | i don't believe xbox does |
| 19:51.45 | brlcad | but gamecube does |
| 19:51.48 | brlcad | not sure about ps |
| 19:52.17 | Patlabor221 | if you do linux on the PS it has GL |
| 19:52.21 | brlcad | http://www.dataplus.co.jp/OpenGL4ps2.html |
| 19:52.24 | Patlabor221 | same for the x box |
| 19:52.35 | Nidhoggr | hrm |
| 19:52.41 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if bz would compile. |
| 19:52.53 | Patlabor221 | on the PS2? |
| 19:53.02 | Nidhoggr | any gaming console |
| 19:53.11 | Patlabor221 | as long as the APIs are tehre |
| 19:53.16 | Patlabor221 | it's just a CPU |
| 19:53.41 | Patlabor221 | how do you know the cube has GL? I thought it used it's own API/OS thingy |
| 19:54.04 | JBdiGriz | http://www.dataplus.co.jp/OpenGL4ps2.html |
| 19:54.06 | Patlabor221 | I know in the base PS2, it has no OS, dosn't even have mem managmeent services |
| 19:54.24 | brlcad | well, at least the chip has support for optimized opengl support in the gamecube |
| 19:54.29 | brlcad | I remember reading more elsewhere too |
| 19:54.37 | Patlabor221 | well sure it has an ATI chip |
| 19:54.43 | Patlabor221 | all of them can do hardware 3d |
| 19:54.47 | Patlabor221 | that dosn't imply the API |
| 19:54.58 | Nidhoggr | it'd be really excellent to be able to play bz on a console on my 60" TV |
| 19:55.00 | Patlabor221 | instal linux on an x-box and you get the GL API |
| 19:55.11 | Patlabor221 | runs using mesa |
| 19:55.12 | brlcad | no, the ppc chip |
| 19:55.20 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 19:55.34 | brlcad | but i agree, it doesn't say jack about the api still |
| 19:55.35 | Patlabor221 | but still I don't think nintendo made a GL API for it |
| 19:55.50 | Nidhoggr | I can use svid output of my tv, but I'm not fond of the quality. |
| 19:55.57 | Patlabor221 | and the moding of the cube is way behind the other consoles |
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| 19:56.03 | Nidhoggr | err output of my vid card. |
| 19:56.21 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr, if you want HDTV inputs IIRC the only one that supports it is the XBox |
| 19:56.33 | Patlabor221 | and you can mod one and install linux today |
| 19:56.39 | Nidhoggr | we don't have hdtv yet. |
| 19:56.43 | Nidhoggr | just regular 60" rear projection. |
| 19:57.00 | Patlabor221 | so then the res isn't going to get any better |
| 19:57.11 | Patlabor221 | noting better then svhs |
| 19:57.19 | brlcad | gamecube is still popular because they are so dang cheap in comparison, and they have the classic tradename games |
| 19:57.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:57.27 | Nidhoggr | it's not a res issue. it's a rendering issue. |
| 19:57.28 | Patlabor221 | I own a cube |
| 19:57.30 | Nidhoggr | it is just ugly. |
| 19:57.50 | Patlabor221 | yes NTSC is ugly |
| 19:57.55 | Patlabor221 | 640x480 |
| 19:57.59 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 19:58.14 | Patlabor221 | untill you go to ycrcb your stuck at that res |
| 19:58.18 | Patlabor221 | and that's HDTV |
| 19:58.36 | captain_proton | NTSC uses ycrcb ;) |
| 19:58.40 | Nidhoggr | our other games look great on it. |
| 19:58.46 | captain_proton | technically |
| 19:58.52 | Patlabor221 | yes it does, techincaly |
| 19:59.09 | Patlabor221 | then it's your output device |
| 19:59.14 | Patlabor221 | what card is doing the TV out? |
| 19:59.17 | Patlabor221 | your AIT? |
| 19:59.21 | Nidhoggr | yeah |
| 19:59.23 | Nidhoggr | 9600 |
| 19:59.30 | brlcad | renderware looks like it's one of the most popular api's for cross-developing across the consoles (renderware.com) |
| 19:59.36 | Patlabor221 | in 640 mode or 800x600 mode? |
| 19:59.37 | Nidhoggr | it works great for karaoke *cough* |
| 19:59.48 | Nidhoggr | don't recall |
| 19:59.49 | Patlabor221 | yes renderware is popular |
| 20:00.05 | Patlabor221 | check, if your in 800, it will have to interpolate down, and that can look like crap |
| 20:00.12 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 20:00.13 | Patlabor221 | is it blurry, or chunky? |
| 20:00.20 | Nidhoggr | a little of both |
| 20:00.26 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 20:00.37 | Nidhoggr | well, mostly blurry |
| 20:00.41 | Patlabor221 | there is also the fact that it's not interlated |
| 20:00.50 | Patlabor221 | then your probably interpolating |
| 20:00.57 | Patlabor221 | XP does NOT like to run in 640 |
| 20:01.02 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:01.08 | Patlabor221 | so it's not well suted for stuff liket hat |
| 20:02.03 | Nidhoggr | which is why I was thinking about console. |
| 20:02.18 | Patlabor221 | a console port would be cool, but it's a lot more then a recompile |
| 20:02.24 | Patlabor221 | unless your using a known OS |
| 20:02.31 | Patlabor221 | like linux on an x-boc |
| 20:02.41 | Nidhoggr | they have that, right? |
| 20:02.46 | Nidhoggr | with keyboard, mouse, etc. |
| 20:03.03 | Nidhoggr | I seem to remember something along those lines... AND it has a hard drive. |
| 20:03.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah USB |
| 20:03.11 | Patlabor221 | yes and it has a NIC |
| 20:03.24 | Nidhoggr | maybe it's a project I could play with. |
| 20:03.35 | Patlabor221 | you have to mod the box tho |
| 20:03.37 | Nidhoggr | I'd have to buy an xbox. :) |
| 20:03.41 | Nidhoggr | true. |
| 20:03.51 | Patlabor221 | but they run stuff like tuxracer and stuff on it |
| 20:03.59 | Nidhoggr | one of the consoles has a commerical linux install on it. |
| 20:03.59 | Patlabor221 | since it does have all the APIs |
| 20:04.01 | Nidhoggr | for it. |
| 20:04.03 | captain_proton | how dare you suggest DMCA violations?!?!?! |
| 20:04.24 | Nidhoggr | YELLOW ALERT! |
| 20:04.37 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:04.37 | Patlabor221 | I don' think doing the linux bios thing is the DMCA violation |
| 20:04.50 | Patlabor221 | using a bios to play burned/pirated games is |
| 20:04.59 | captain_proton | i think technically a modchip is |
| 20:04.59 | Patlabor221 | tho they are VERY close in implemenation :) |
| 20:05.08 | Patlabor221 | the modchip hardware is not |
| 20:05.14 | Patlabor221 | it's the bios you put on it |
| 20:05.22 | Patlabor221 | hence why modchiops come blank |
| 20:06.18 | Patlabor221 | IIRC there is even a SF project for the linux stuff |
| 20:06.23 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 20:06.30 | Nidhoggr | I need to consider playing with all that. |
| 20:06.40 | Patlabor221 | http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:06.42 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 20:06.44 | Nidhoggr | after server arrives, and I can do some work on that. |
| 20:07.26 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: what all is this server for? |
| 20:07.39 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
| 20:07.49 | Chestal | ~bzflist17 |
| 20:07.58 | Patlabor221 | seems they have a mod method that you can use with out opening the box |
| 20:08.04 | Nidhoggr | capt: I decided I wanted a server dedicated to bzflag stuff. I am open to all sorts of suggestions, since it's my way of giving more to the community. |
| 20:08.32 | Nidhoggr | it's going to house secretplace, and grumbler's servers so far... and probably bzflag.vicious.com |
| 20:08.39 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:08.51 | captain_proton | if you wanted to let me run a decks server there, that'd be neat :) |
| 20:09.01 | Nidhoggr | I could might maybe do that. ;) |
| 20:09.28 | captain_proton | i'd suggest subversion, but that might cause a few ruffled feathers |
| 20:09.37 | Nidhoggr | subversion? |
| 20:09.51 | JBdiGriz | source code control, i think it would be nice to try |
| 20:09.53 | captain_proton | http://subversion.tigris.org/ |
| 20:10.00 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 20:10.04 | larsl | It would be nice to be able to try it. |
| 20:10.07 | brlcad | Chestal: what was #4? |
| 20:10.15 | Chestal | brlcad: invisibles? |
| 20:10.20 | Nidhoggr | I would be more than happy to help with any of the cvs/repository stuff. |
| 20:10.21 | brlcad | yea |
| 20:10.54 | brlcad | er, sorry ,Chestal.. didn't look to see if results were posted |
| 20:11.03 | Chestal | brlcad: I gotit after some hints here on the #, although I should have been able to get it without |
| 20:11.09 | Nidhoggr | is there a cvs/subversion conversion/interface of any type? |
| 20:11.13 | Nidhoggr | so we could run both |
| 20:11.22 | JBdiGriz | heh, even i got #4, and that's a big hint |
| 20:11.23 | Chestal | brlcad: results and new quiz each Monday |
| 20:11.30 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: i don't know if there's something to keep them synced - there are some migration tools to transfer history across |
| 20:11.33 | Chestal | wel, I never watched it |
| 20:11.37 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 20:11.39 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 20:11.40 | brlcad | ah, so I still don't know then :) |
| 20:12.04 | Pimpinella | Chestal & brlcad: what the heck do u do with these numbers all the time? |
| 20:12.07 | Nidhoggr | sourceforge is good publicity, so i can understand why we are there. |
| 20:12.18 | Nidhoggr | but I also grok the frustration of it. |
| 20:12.21 | Chestal | ~invisibles |
| 20:12.23 | | hmm... invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 20:12.23 | brlcad | pimpinella: ~invisibles |
| 20:12.31 | JBdiGriz | Pimpinella, it's a game, check the web site |
| 20:12.40 | Pimpinella | tnx |
| 20:12.44 | captain_proton | guh, btrotter is at it again |
| 20:12.46 | Patlabor221 | hmm dosn't seem like they have the hardware 3d drivers done yet for the box |
| 20:12.53 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 20:13.01 | larsl | SourceForge is great most of the time. |
| 20:13.01 | Patlabor221 | but it would run with mesa |
| 20:13.15 | Nidhoggr | they really have been doing stuff to expand, etc. |
| 20:13.16 | Patlabor221 | and it is a 733 with a fast ram bus, it may be ok |
| 20:13.53 | Pimpinella | nice |
| 20:14.11 | Nidhoggr | and sf is really a lot faster than it used to be. |
| 20:14.48 | captain_proton | i like sf most of the time |
| 20:14.52 | captain_proton | i just have some issues with CVS |
| 20:15.09 | brlcad | bah |
| 20:15.10 | Nidhoggr | agree |
| 20:15.11 | brlcad | :) |
| 20:15.14 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:15.35 | Nidhoggr | at least they aren't using rcs ;) |
| 20:15.54 | Nidhoggr | qwest still uses rcs |
| 20:15.55 | Nidhoggr | dorks |
| 20:16.00 | JBdiGriz | cvs is a layer over rcs, at least they aren't using sccs |
| 20:16.39 | Nidhoggr | because none of their unix admins know what a .tgz file is. |
| 20:16.39 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 20:16.39 | Nidhoggr | stupidos |
| 20:16.39 | captain_proton | at least with cvs you don't have to spend most of your time yelling at people to release a lock |
| 20:16.40 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:16.44 | JBdiGriz | If someone wants to make a really big donation, we could try clearcase :) |
| 20:16.48 | Pimpinella | i like the new feature, that while observing u can see the callsigns beneath the tanks. |
| 20:16.56 | larsl | Interesting, my server sends 50 bzdb vars / packet and secretplace sends 50 / packet. |
| 20:17.06 | Pimpinella | good idea |
| 20:17.09 | captain_proton | subversion works quite well for me :) |
| 20:17.09 | larsl | ..."and secretplace sends 45 / packet. " |
| 20:17.14 | captain_proton | fixes almost all my grips with cvs |
| 20:17.18 | captain_proton | s/grips/gripes/ |
| 20:17.28 | Pimpinella | would be nice in normal play to |
| 20:17.34 | brlcad | Chestal: JBdiGriz: any hints on #4? I'd swear that suit looks like Andy Garcia, but I can't imagine what movie. |
| 20:17.40 | Pimpinella | s/to/too |
| 20:18.07 | JBdiGriz | first hint was that I got it. second hint is that suit is a very famous actor, think golden globes. |
| 20:18.23 | Nidhoggr | what's that mean, larsl :) |
| 20:18.37 | Nidhoggr | and help me grok why that is interesting. |
| 20:18.52 | Nidhoggr | I'm interested in being interested. |
| 20:18.53 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:19.07 | larsl | Nidhoggr: secretplace puts 45 BZDB values in each packet, my local server puts 50. |
| 20:19.14 | larsl | Not really interesting maybe. |
| 20:19.22 | Nidhoggr | how new is your server build? |
| 20:19.40 | larsl | Yesterday, ~23 GMT. |
| 20:19.52 | Nidhoggr | mine was yesterday AM |
| 20:20.45 | Nidhoggr | that is kind of interesting. |
| 20:27.28 | larsl | Yay, CVS. |
| 20:28.00 | larsl | But it's very slow. |
| 20:28.06 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 20:28.16 | Chestal | rejoice, all ye developers |
| 20:30.23 | Pimpinella | ~x en de rejoice |
| 20:30.46 | brlcad | Wow.. interesting |
| 20:30.53 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 20:31.12 | brlcad | I've got some interesting statistics on developer cvs commits |
| 20:31.31 | Chestal | larsl: Avast! |
| 20:31.34 | larsl | Where? =) |
| 20:31.38 | Chestal | cvs update: [20:30:43] waiting for larsl's lock in /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/src/scene |
| 20:31.48 | larsl | Chestal: I'm done now. =) |
| 20:31.50 | larsl | Avast? |
| 20:32.02 | Chestal | I am still reading "Moby Dick" :-) |
| 20:32.04 | brlcad | there have been 25 developers commit to cvs |
| 20:32.31 | Chestal | ~dict avast |
| 20:32.34 | larsl | s/don't/doesn't/ |
| 20:32.36 | Chestal | hmph |
| 20:32.41 | Chestal | "a nautical command to stop or cease" |
| 20:32.51 | larsl | =) |
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| 20:36.38 | brlcad | according to quantity of actual commits, dbrosius is in the lead |
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| 20:54.36 | Grumbler | brlcad: what about quality |
| 20:55.43 | Grumbler | ~gmm |
| 20:56.13 | brlcad | Grumbler: well, of course you'd be tops on that list, right? ;) |
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| 20:59.02 | Grumbler | brlcad: haha, not if you just saw the script i just wrote...... |
| 20:59.57 | brlcad | hehh |
| 21:03.15 | yoyox | ~d |
| 21:08.26 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:13.09 | brlcad | yay for patches |
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| 21:16.44 | TheDarkSamurai | hi all |
| 21:19.04 | [dmp] | hi |
| 21:28.56 | brlcad | scanline, where are those navi rss feeds? |
| 21:29.21 | brlcad | or captain_proton if you're listening |
| 21:29.55 | brlcad | never mind.. just found it |
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| 22:03.00 | Nidhoggr | do you have stairs in your house? |
| 22:03.13 | Nidhoggr | we need a map with stairs |
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| 22:08.52 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: Don't let bzadmin send empty lines |
| 22:09.26 | TimRiker | ahh. been meaning to report that. |
| 22:09.39 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 22:11.23 | Nidhoggr | with a little help from the picky. |
| 22:11.24 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 22:13.00 | larsl | =) |
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| 22:34.20 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 22:35.48 | usher | ~artoo |
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| 22:36.17 | Pimpinella | hi DB |
| 22:37.35 | Pimpinella | why does |tim| play with EEZ instead with carn n u on bit? |
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| 22:50.21 | Death_Barrel | hey pimp :) |
| 22:50.23 | Death_Barrel | srry |
| 22:50.25 | Death_Barrel | working |
| 22:50.46 | Death_Barrel | guess he left :( |
| 22:51.07 | Death_Barrel | ~d |
| 22:51.12 | Death_Barrel | ~d |
| 22:51.17 | Death_Barrel | ~q |
| 22:51.19 | | somebody said q was Bond's gadget dude,Picard's first nemesis You don't have to label a question with "Q:" we can tell from the question mark. Q: drive letters are out! |
| 22:51.42 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:52.25 | Death_Barrel | cu guys, time to race home for some bz action :) |
| 23:12.41 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr, small hitch the server did not end after it had timed out....not sure why......i might need another swith |
| 23:12.51 | Grumbler | switch |
| 23:14.14 | Nidhoggr | did you use -g? |
| 23:15.21 | Nidhoggr | -g is serve one game and exit |
| 23:18.20 | Nidhoggr | hrm. you are using -g |
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| 23:18.56 | Nidhoggr | you could try putting the -g in the conf file. |
| 23:18.57 | Grumbler | yep that's it.....i was not using that......there is an implied difference between ending the game and quiting the server |
| 23:19.07 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 23:19.08 | Grumbler | live and learn |
| 23:19.25 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 23:19.56 | Nidhoggr | without -g it ends game, waits for everyone to quit, and restarts timer when first person joins. |
| 23:24.21 | Grumbler | ...except that it does not restart the timer...... |
| 23:25.02 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 23:25.05 | Nidhoggr | wierd. |
| 23:25.13 | Nidhoggr | maybe that is another option :) |
| 23:25.32 | Grumbler | well, i am sure its not the most tested feature of bzfs |
| 23:26.09 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:26.26 | Nidhoggr | hopefully you will have more luck with -g |
| 23:26.35 | Grumbler | hope so as well |
| 23:28.29 | SportChick | something strange just happened with PZ using yesterday's build for w32 |
| 23:28.35 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 23:28.54 | SportChick | I had PZ and went through a teep...normally, then the world goes purple...this time it didn't, so thought maybe I had missed the teep |
| 23:29.02 | SportChick | when I went through again, of coure, I got killed |
| 23:29.34 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I'll test it when i get hom.e |
| 23:29.35 | Nidhoggr | home. |
| 23:29.46 | Nidhoggr | I'll put up a test server with just pz flags :) |
| 23:29.55 | SportChick | it worked fine the first 2-3 times I went through, but it was later on... |
| 23:30.14 | Nidhoggr | might want to have patlabor221 check his stuff to make sure the zone stuff is ok. |
| 23:30.20 | Nidhoggr | wierd. |
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| 23:31.00 | Nidhoggr | ok. gotta drive home. back later. |
| 23:31.02 | Nidhoggr | & |
