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| 00:46.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by ChanServ |
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| 01:15.23 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/man/bzflag.6s: reword -debug info |
| 01:25.52 | bryjen | hmm. I was auto-kicked for moving too fast with burrow flag while on a building. |
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| 01:31.01 | bryjen | eh. looks like MrAC's already fixed that. server must've been a bit old |
| 01:31.58 | SportChick | It sure is quiet in here today |
| 01:38.02 | Patlabor221 | wow, that's quite a propsal from the btrotter guy |
| 01:38.21 | Patlabor221 | yes MAc made it not check untill you are at full burrow depth |
| 01:41.38 | bryjen | irk. i think i'm getting black-on-black text in bzadmin |
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| 01:42.31 | captain_proton | "these are just a few ideas that would drastically and dramaticly improve game play" |
| 01:42.54 | your_dog | you sick? |
| 01:43.14 | Patlabor221 | what was up with the hinges and joints? |
| 01:43.34 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i think he was trying to come up with a helpful suggestion for a physics model |
| 01:44.05 | Patlabor221 | sounds like he wants to define the world as a set of phisical prims and just let it all sort out |
| 01:44.14 | Patlabor221 | sounds like basing a game on an ODE demo |
| 01:44.26 | Patlabor221 | but ideas are ideas |
| 01:44.29 | captain_proton | yup |
| 01:44.52 | learner | only 83 e-mails to go until I get to read it too.. |
| 01:45.25 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:49.37 | *** part/#bzflag mozul (~KBC18135@130.221.56.188) |
| 01:51.06 | learner | pat, what's the win32 prototype for setsockopt() ? |
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| 01:54.08 | learner | howdy mac |
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| 02:10.06 | Patlabor221 | let me check |
| 02:10.25 | learner | const char *, i think |
| 02:10.34 | learner | for 4th |
| 02:11.28 | learner | uh oh ;) |
| 02:13.22 | learner | ah, no worries - thx anyways |
| 02:13.35 | Patlabor221 | ohh didn't say I was done :) |
| 02:13.40 | Patlabor221 | have full msdn in vc6 |
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| 02:14.01 | Patlabor221 | int setsockopt( |
| 02:14.02 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.02 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.02 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.02 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.02 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.07 | Patlabor221 | ); |
| 02:14.15 | Patlabor221 | s |
| 02:14.15 | Patlabor221 | [in] Descriptor identifying a socket. |
| 02:14.15 | Patlabor221 | level |
| 02:14.15 | Patlabor221 | [in] Level at which the option is defined; the supported levels include SOL_SOCKET and IPPROTO_TCP. See Windows Sockets 2 Protocol-Specific Annex for more information on protocol-specific levels. |
| 02:14.18 | Patlabor221 | optname |
| 02:14.20 | Patlabor221 | [in] Socket option for which the value is to be set. |
| 02:14.22 | Patlabor221 | optval |
| 02:14.24 | Patlabor221 | [in] Pointer to the buffer in which the value for the requested option is supplied. |
| 02:14.26 | Patlabor221 | optlen |
| 02:14.28 | Patlabor221 | [in] Size of the optval buffer. |
| 02:14.40 | Patlabor221 | there ya go, 1 sacred infodump |
| 02:15.03 | Patlabor221 | hmm where did mac go |
| 02:15.03 | learner | thx |
| 02:15.09 | Patlabor221 | wanted to make sure my changes to his trace stuff woked |
| 02:15.10 | Patlabor221 | for him |
| 02:15.24 | Patlabor221 | had to move it into config |
| 02:15.26 | bryjen | stibnite: there's a cheater on hashmark. a misspelling of Nidhoggr. flying, invulernerable |
| 02:15.44 | Patlabor221 | awwww knightmare must be bitter |
| 02:16.39 | bryjen | that'd be my guess |
| 02:18.15 | jacques | i assume that's old version? |
| 02:18.27 | jacques | i would think most ppl would have upgraded |
| 02:18.37 | learner | hehe, that would be a great guess :) |
| 02:18.49 | jacques | heh |
| 02:18.50 | learner | he went to argue with KM right after I did :) |
| 02:19.32 | learner | we'd never met before; bet he doesn't know i'm a dev or the main instigator of his ban |
| 02:19.48 | Patlabor221 | well don't be so sure |
| 02:19.54 | Patlabor221 | I have a feeling he has a mole here |
| 02:19.55 | bryjen | ~bzflist17 |
| 02:19.58 | Patlabor221 | or at least reads the logs |
| 02:20.03 | Patlabor221 | since they are public |
| 02:20.18 | bryjen | only 13 v1.7 servers. and hashmark isn't one of them |
| 02:20.20 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 02:20.40 | learner | yea, that would be the intelligent thing to do.. but then I consider who we're dealing with |
| 02:20.42 | bryjen | looks like it emptied out and he left. filling back up now. |
| 02:22.04 | Patlabor221 | higher res mountans would be about the only other thing left |
| 02:23.03 | jacques | you mean those cheats are still possible with new code? |
| 02:23.04 | Patlabor221 | how do we get a set of mountans renderd that look like this |
| 02:23.04 | Patlabor221 | http://www.kjps.net/user/opal/scape14.jpg |
| 02:23.13 | jacques | that wouldd explain a couple things I have seen |
| 02:23.23 | learner | bryce |
| 02:23.41 | Patlabor221 | you gots bryce? |
| 02:23.48 | jacques | that's really nice looking |
| 02:23.53 | Patlabor221 | teragen can probaly do it too |
| 02:24.05 | learner | _somewhere_.. on cd for sure |
| 02:24.19 | learner | but probably for win32, which I don't have running anywhere right now |
| 02:24.19 | Patlabor221 | well get to making me a new mountan set :) |
| 02:24.26 | jacques | some guys last night on secretplace with "AutoPilot" in their names were practically unhittable |
| 02:24.34 | jacques | it was rather obvious |
| 02:24.49 | jacques | lots of ppl were complaining |
| 02:24.59 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i was planning to do pybzflag's mountains at the very least... |
| 02:25.18 | learner | there have been a rash of bots on servers as well. i'd suspect the byu kids are starting to improve their homework. |
| 02:25.20 | Patlabor221 | cap I know, I'm just thinking for a graphic replacement for this time |
| 02:25.46 | jacques | the autopilots had like a 1/8 size hit box or something |
| 02:26.09 | bryjen | the server checks more things now (it didnt do any before), but its mostly things that are waay out-of-spec |
| 02:26.25 | jacques | and once they started jumping, they were nearly impossible to hit - even when they were jumping under a surface and hitting it - usually a really easy kill |
| 02:26.41 | bryjen | ie as long as you dont jump higher than the highest object, drive outside the map... |
| 02:27.11 | jacques | ah OK, I think I was overestimating the new server checks :-) |
| 02:27.46 | jacques | as long as you dont shoot in 8 directions at once :-D |
| 02:28.00 | bryjen | yeah, stuff like that |
| 02:29.11 | jacques | are flag cheats still possible? |
| 02:29.24 | jacques | once guy got the perfect flag to counter me like 10 times in a row |
| 02:30.30 | bryjen | sometimes that's just luck. or observing and remembering where flags have been dropped. i donno if its tracking enough to stop flag-on-demand |
| 02:32.18 | jacques | yeah I know some ppl are good at remembering GM and L but this was way beyond that |
| 02:37.12 | jacques | it's still possible to get stuck on pyramids - or is that a feature? :-) |
| 02:39.18 | jacques | BTW - what are the pros/cons of udp/tcp connection? looks like the firewall here will let tcp through but blocks udp after a few seconds |
| 02:39.42 | Patlabor221 | TCP allways gets there, UDP dosn't |
| 02:39.46 | Patlabor221 | TCP is slower cus of that |
| 02:39.51 | Patlabor221 | UDP is faster cus of that |
| 02:39.53 | Patlabor221 | generaly |
| 02:40.01 | Patlabor221 | so UDP is good for time sensitive data |
| 02:40.06 | Patlabor221 | like tank pos |
| 02:40.25 | Patlabor221 | so if one pos update dosn't make it, don't waste time resending, as there is another good one to send right after it |
| 02:44.42 | jacques | as a player, would it be rude to use tcp? |
| 02:45.01 | Patlabor221 | it's slow |
| 02:45.03 | Patlabor221 | makes lag |
| 02:45.08 | jacques | ah OK |
| 02:45.14 | jacques | that's what I thought I remembered |
| 02:45.15 | Patlabor221 | unless you had a kick ass conneciton to the server |
| 02:45.26 | jacques | hmm I think I do to this server |
| 02:45.28 | Patlabor221 | TCP just uses more data then UDP |
| 02:45.32 | jacques | let me check |
| 02:45.42 | Patlabor221 | I mean super kick ass like 30-50 pings |
| 02:45.56 | Patlabor221 | and a decent pipe |
| 02:45.58 | jacques | heh 24 ms |
| 02:46.01 | Patlabor221 | then maybe |
| 02:46.04 | jacques | t1 |
| 02:46.04 | Patlabor221 | you can tru |
| 02:46.06 | Patlabor221 | try |
| 02:46.15 | jacques | (this is work - at home I can always use udp) |
| 02:46.35 | Patlabor221 | how do you do DNS if you don't have UDP? |
| 02:46.42 | Patlabor221 | local DNS? |
| 02:47.17 | Patlabor221 | sonoe should run a server on the dns port :) |
| 02:48.47 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/mountantest.png |
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| 02:49.41 | jacques | I think this firewall is very "smart" and just bloekc stuff it does not like/understand |
| 02:49.49 | jacques | blocks |
| 02:50.20 | Patlabor221 | oooooooo the mountans look so very cool with 6 images instead of 3 |
| 02:50.20 | jacques | it does deep packet inspection, so the server on dns probably would not work for me |
| 02:50.48 | Patlabor221 | that has to take a performance hit |
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| 02:51.02 | jacques | oh it does, but the firewall is designed for it |
| 02:51.18 | Patlabor221 | super paranoid boss? |
| 02:51.39 | Patlabor221 | or just IT nazis? |
| 02:51.41 | jacques | well we are always being attacked |
| 02:51.55 | jacques | and we just got this new one and it's running on a lot of default settings |
| 02:52.16 | Patlabor221 | sure I can see blocking external, but you got problems with stuff inside geting out? |
| 02:52.29 | jacques | we make a product which is used by lots of kiddies and they seem to like to attack our servers |
| 02:52.36 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 02:52.44 | Patlabor221 | servers on same network as your internal machines? |
| 02:52.44 | jacques | if it's not expoits it's DOS with zombies |
| 02:52.59 | jacques | no differnt network, but it explains the paranioa a bit :-) |
| 02:53.10 | Patlabor221 | we used to have them on the same network |
| 02:53.13 | Patlabor221 | our IT is dumb |
| 02:53.26 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/oooo.png |
| 02:53.26 | jacques | our servers are at a hosting facility |
| 02:53.33 | jacques | behind their own firewall |
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| 02:53.59 | Patlabor221 | me allways thinks of ghostbusters everytime he hears "facility" |
| 02:54.12 | jacques | heh |
| 02:54.32 | jacques | this office firewall even shits down my internet access when I use mtr for too long - it's a traceroute tool |
| 02:54.37 | jacques | sorry - shuts |
| 02:54.52 | jacques | why are u and i so close |
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| 02:55.45 | Patlabor221 | our filewall does shitdown :) |
| 02:55.49 | jacques | lol |
| 02:58.20 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/network.h: add another everyone -> win32 translation |
| 02:59.18 | jacques | love those mountains |
| 02:59.56 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/win32.h: initial file to consolidate most of the win32 platform fun into one location instead of spread out all over the source |
| 03:01.59 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/common.h: use the shiny new win32.h header |
| 03:02.57 | *** part/#bzflag mozul (~kirk@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
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| 03:03.46 | bryjen | stibnite: cheater's back at hashmark. "Honk" same behavior |
| 03:04.11 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: use SSOType for setsockopt() type and try to disambiguate the mostly useless "Something failed" error. |
| 03:05.43 | Patlabor221 | learner you ok with adding 90k to the base install for not so streched out mountans? |
| 03:05.47 | bryjen | ~seen stibnite |
| 03:05.50 | | stibnite is currently on #bzflag (1d 6h 49m 21s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 1d 1h 41m 26s |
| 03:06.18 | learner | patlabor221: I'm not opposed to increasing the base install size one bit |
| 03:06.49 | jacques | yeah I'm observing him - he's flying |
| 03:06.53 | learner | especially in the name of quality |
| 03:06.56 | learner | and resolution |
| 03:07.51 | jacques | looks like he was banned - he keeps joining and signing off now |
| 03:07.58 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (mountain4.png mountain5.png mountain6.png): mo mountans, mo mountans, mo mountans. |
| 03:08.25 | jacques | technically I think he was multi-jumping |
| 03:08.37 | Patlabor221 | it's the same old ones just more of them to make it not strech out so much |
| 03:09.49 | bryjen | that and having to explain it to people :( |
| 03:09.51 | orchid | has anyone seen a poll actuall in use? other than testing it? |
| 03:10.18 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/BackgroundRenderer.cxx: support big ass mountain images. |
| 03:10.23 | bryjen | no. it either takes too long and the target leaves, or there aren't enough voters. |
| 03:11.07 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/VotingArbiter.cxx: timekeeper should provide the pragma warning via common, snprintf isn't used (anymore?) |
| 03:11.31 | learner | orchid: i've seen it used quite a few times, even successfully ;) |
| 03:11.34 | bryjen | i've seen people /poll, but i don't think i've seen one succeed |
| 03:12.10 | bryjen | (again, lack of voters/understanding) |
| 03:12.21 | SportChick | has it been changed to take into account only the registered voters (e.g., if there are 10 people on server, but only 4 registered, can 3 people kick?) |
| 03:12.32 | orchid | i think so |
| 03:12.51 | orchid | you have to be [R] now right? |
| 03:12.54 | jacques | how does one register? |
| 03:12.57 | learner | eventually, the users will get autoregistered, and will have the ability to auto-identify with user profiles -- that'll make the voting system much more effective |
| 03:13.20 | bryjen | jacques: /register apassword |
| 03:13.29 | jacques | I've seen the "registered users must ID" message but did not understand it |
| 03:13.53 | jacques | bryjen: thanks - is that linked to callsign or remote IP ? |
| 03:13.56 | SportChick | well, you always had to be registered to vote. But the problem was that it counted the non-registered people in the total. So if 2 registered people on a server of 20, no chance for a poll to ever succeed. |
| 03:14.00 | learner | you ID by doing /identify yourpassword |
| 03:14.01 | bryjen | that puts a password to your current callsign. |
| 03:14.07 | jacques | cool |
| 03:14.09 | learner | after you've registered |
| 03:15.37 | learner | pat, I'm doing my best to not modify any actual logic with the win32 changes. feel free to slap me down if I miss read/write something |
| 03:15.49 | Patlabor221 | in what part? |
| 03:16.20 | jacques | Patlabor221: how does one use the high res textures in linux? |
| 03:16.43 | Patlabor221 | one slaps them in data/alternate |
| 03:16.46 | Patlabor221 | just like everyone else |
| 03:16.53 | learner | patlabor: all over |
| 03:17.12 | Patlabor221 | jeffm.bakadigital.com/BZ/10.3/alternate.zip |
| 03:17.15 | Patlabor221 | for those interested |
| 03:17.17 | jacques | Patlabor221: heh thanks |
| 03:17.24 | Patlabor221 | learner, we have specific logic? |
| 03:17.25 | learner | it'll probably either just not compile if i miss anything |
| 03:17.30 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 03:17.49 | Patlabor221 | what you making changes for if release is soo close? |
| 03:17.52 | Patlabor221 | just cleanups? |
| 03:17.55 | learner | just cleanup |
| 03:18.06 | learner | got rid of that "Something failed" message in bzfs.... |
| 03:18.34 | learner | was rather annoying |
| 03:21.28 | learner | !ibot |
| 03:21.32 | learner | er.. |
| 03:21.34 | learner | ~ibot |
| 03:21.36 | | ibot is, like, a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 03:21.39 | learner | ~logs |
| 03:21.41 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or ibot logs, jbot does not |
| 03:22.46 | Grumbler | dang, i scr*&ded it up again.... |
| 03:22.58 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/BUGS: fix fix fix, all day long, fix fix fix I sing this song. |
| 03:25.14 | Grumbler | badger badger badger badger badger, mushroom mushroom |
| 03:28.31 | Grumbler | oh well.....maybe i will have better luck with visual c++ |
| 03:29.13 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 03:37.51 | jacques | what's the command to query client versions of other players? |
| 03:41.40 | learner | Patlabor221: new background looks much better to me |
| 03:41.48 | learner | CLIENTQUERY, jacques |
| 03:42.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah not bad for an image hack :) |
| 03:42.49 | Patlabor221 | and 20x the vram :) |
| 03:43.19 | learner | heh |
| 03:43.37 | learner | the teleporter tex is pretty cool too |
| 03:43.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:44.09 | learner | not fond of the new building texture and the repeat effect on most of the new world geometry tex's though |
| 03:44.23 | Patlabor221 | it's better then it used to be |
| 03:44.32 | Patlabor221 | please feel free to tweak |
| 03:44.39 | learner | it's hard to see a corner on the buildings now -- horrible for ducati-style |
| 03:44.55 | Patlabor221 | you in experimental? or High? |
| 03:45.00 | learner | dunno |
| 03:45.01 | learner | default |
| 03:45.05 | Patlabor221 | go to exp |
| 03:45.10 | Patlabor221 | changes the repeat |
| 03:45.23 | Patlabor221 | may have to restart |
| 03:46.21 | jacques | learner: thanks |
| 03:46.56 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/teleporter.png <- a good shot of the teleporter |
| 03:46.58 | learner | i was just gonna say.. really odd behavior changing on the fly |
| 03:47.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah sadly I can't change repeats on the fly, since objects are made at map load time |
| 03:47.32 | jacques | learner: it says unknown command :-( |
| 03:47.51 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/itall.png <- exp repeat level |
| 03:47.59 | Patlabor221 | you can also now change the repeat in BZDB |
| 03:48.01 | jacques | or is it not a command - meaning no / in front of it? |
| 03:48.17 | jacques | aah that's it |
| 03:48.21 | learner | i have same feelings on experimental |
| 03:48.50 | Patlabor221 | I've been trying to even out the tonality so it dosn't have those color splotches |
| 03:48.54 | Patlabor221 | pain in the ass tho |
| 03:49.08 | learner | the texture itself now has horizontal and vertical repeat components, which I don't recall before |
| 03:49.21 | learner | for the building, that is |
| 03:50.38 | Patlabor221 | if I had a deatal texture, and multipass I cold do some more with it |
| 03:50.49 | Patlabor221 | make a low contrast base texture |
| 03:50.57 | Patlabor221 | then thow up some random repeat details |
| 03:51.00 | Patlabor221 | to break it up |
| 03:51.15 | Patlabor221 | real world textures sadly don't repeat all that well |
| 03:52.41 | Patlabor221 | well I'll be go tweak them some more when I get home |
| 03:52.44 | learner | don't get me wrong, the textures are definately better images (more detail, better color, etc) and even the repitition on the ground is ignoreable |
| 03:52.49 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/bases.png <- how bad they used to be |
| 03:53.00 | learner | but the building pattern just might impact gameplay |
| 03:53.02 | Patlabor221 | yeah but they could be better |
| 03:53.09 | Patlabor221 | then it shall be worked on :) |
| 03:53.26 | learner | ah, I did see the new bases already.. |
| 03:54.03 | Patlabor221 | the repeat in that image made me bump the texture coords in code, and start tweaking the texture |
| 03:54.23 | jacques | why do ppl complain about language when it's filtered anyway? |
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| 03:56.38 | learner | there is always someone that will complain about anything |
| 03:57.26 | learner | i don't think they should if it's filtered, really |
| 03:57.48 | learner | as they're little difference between banging on the keys at that point |
| 03:59.15 | learner | pat, I need to see the textures when it's not dark as well.. i think that's part of the problem |
| 03:59.25 | Patlabor221 | hit + |
| 03:59.30 | learner | do you have a daytime screenie? |
| 03:59.34 | learner | +? |
| 03:59.42 | Patlabor221 | on your keyboad when you are running |
| 04:00.00 | bryjen | -/= should alter time-of-day |
| 04:00.12 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1372 |
| 04:00.18 | Patlabor221 | that has some that are daylike |
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| 04:01.44 | learner | oh, cool.. |
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| 04:02.06 | your_dog | anyone here want to match EEZ? |
| 04:02.32 | your_dog | we are ready 2 die ;) |
| 04:03.24 | learner | hehe, if 2-1 were legal i might have considered it :) |
| 04:03.39 | your_dog | 4-1 :-D |
| 04:04.04 | learner | j/k, you'd should win easy 2-1 |
| 04:04.21 | your_dog | probably not :) |
| 04:04.38 | learner | at least at my present rustiness you should :) |
| 04:04.51 | your_dog | hehe |
| 04:05.03 | your_dog | so i guess there's no one here to play :( |
| 04:05.16 | your_dog | :D |
| 04:05.16 | JBdiGriz | I don't see any of my teammates around |
| 04:05.23 | JBdiGriz | Don't drip on the keyboard |
| 04:05.25 | learner | if you happen to see a BzR anywhere else, I might |
| 04:05.30 | your_dog | lol |
| 04:05.31 | your_dog | k |
| 04:05.35 | JBdiGriz | Check the online players |
| 04:05.46 | your_dog | n!cole was on a lil bit ago :( |
| 04:05.51 | your_dog | too bad you weren't there too :) |
| 04:06.00 | learner | oh? haven't seen her in quite a while |
| 04:06.38 | JBdiGriz | head and dm should show up soon, see if you can round them up |
| 04:06.38 | learner | that's probably more my fault than hers, though |
| 04:06.38 | your_dog | ok, that would be cool |
| 04:06.38 | your_dog | dm? |
| 04:06.41 | your_dog | i don't recall seing him anywhere |
| 04:06.46 | JBdiGriz | DeadMeat |
| 04:06.52 | your_dog | ahhhhh, ok |
| 04:07.01 | learner | er, sabatical |
| 04:07.10 | learner | *cough* |
| 04:07.13 | JBdiGriz | ask your_dog, he probably would give a better answer than I. :) |
| 04:07.26 | learner | your_dog, jb any good? :) |
| 04:07.33 | your_dog | hehe, he can sure beat me, but that's not saying much ;) |
| 04:07.41 | learner | hehe |
| 04:08.46 | JBdiGriz | I don't see any rebels running around either. |
| 04:08.54 | your_dog | ok, i'm going back to quol, that's where i'll be if they come on |
| 04:09.16 | learner | well, no offense but I would have gathered that much. he wasn't shabby at all the last time we played anyways :) how about in comparison to the other players? :) |
| 04:09.49 | your_dog | :P, i didn't pay that much attention :) |
| 04:09.54 | your_dog | i was getting shot too much :) |
| 04:10.39 | JBdiGriz | I still feel pretty shabby |
| 04:10.43 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/config.h: VC5 has no ATLTRACE2... |
| 04:11.04 | Patlabor221 | VC5 sucks then :) |
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| 04:11.15 | your_dog | head is on |
| 04:11.16 | your_dog | quol |
| 04:11.18 | JBdiGriz | I managed to put together an xcode project which builds and debugs the latest code, but it still has problems finding the data directory. |
| 04:11.45 | JBdiGriz | I might actually have something real by the end of the week for xcode. |
| 04:11.49 | Patlabor221 | you guys can't set a working dir for when you debug? |
| 04:11.50 | learner | still?? i fixed that |
| 04:11.52 | learner | even tested |
| 04:12.19 | JBdiGriz | This was looking in the build directory, since I was running it from xcode |
| 04:12.28 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/include/win32.h: We be missin' an #endif... |
| 04:12.32 | your_dog | did you hear what i said? :D |
| 04:12.48 | JBdiGriz | I'll be there in a few minutes, check with head |
| 04:12.53 | your_dog | ok |
| 04:14.14 | JBdiGriz | Patlabor221, the data directory is searched in a path. We can set the working directory to whatever we want. |
| 04:15.22 | learner | jb: when I was looking, i traced it down to an artifact of there actually being multiple bzdb singletons since we build shared libraries |
| 04:15.43 | Patlabor221 | and you don't search the working dir first? |
| 04:16.10 | Patlabor221 | on windows we have the same problem, but we set the working dir to the root CVS dir and it finds data/ |
| 04:16.30 | learner | BZDB "directory" wasn't set at all (which it should have been) |
| 04:16.38 | your_dog | he left quol |
| 04:18.40 | JBdiGriz | Interesting, since I was building the libraries as static in this version. I'm not sure that's what I really want to do for the final product. |
| 04:19.12 | learner | static? |
| 04:19.18 | learner | we don't have static targets |
| 04:19.20 | JBdiGriz | libxxx.a |
| 04:19.27 | learner | you add that? :) |
| 04:19.44 | JBdiGriz | What's this "we" #$^* ??? |
| 04:20.05 | learner | hehe |
| 04:20.10 | JBdiGriz | I was playing with xcode to try different builds. This is an entirely new project. |
| 04:20.15 | learner | ah.. good ol filter in action |
| 04:20.39 | JBdiGriz | Yeah, that's the "JB knows better" filter. :) |
| 04:21.57 | bryjen | would ya like your tars aired-up an your ol filter changed? |
| 04:22.20 | JBdiGriz | I'm sort of attached to this old filter. |
| 04:25.45 | Noodleman | haha |
| 04:26.13 | Noodleman | sounds like something that would happen in kentucky |
| 04:26.14 | bryjen | had the lady the answers the phone so confused... |
| 04:26.25 | bryjen | ~crush Noodleman |
| 04:26.29 | | ACTION crushes Noodleman with a full height scsi disk |
| 04:26.34 | Noodleman | haha |
| 04:26.44 | bryjen | ducking don't dodge a falling disk drive. |
| 04:26.46 | bryjen | :) |
| 04:26.51 | Noodleman | heh |
| 04:27.08 | Noodleman | i could drop a cray on your big tow |
| 04:27.09 | Noodleman | toe |
| 04:27.31 | bryjen | Some of the confusion was because she ain't from 'round these parts. Silly yankees. |
| 04:28.15 | JBdiGriz | your_dog, head is going to kelsoes.com:7000. We can have an unofficial match there. |
| 04:29.07 | your_dog | ok, cu there |
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| 04:30.13 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 04:30.33 | bryjen | heh |
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| 04:30.40 | bryjen | ~bzfquery surfersonacid.com:5154 |
| 04:30.49 | bryjen | whoops |
| 04:31.04 | bryjen | ~nslookup surfersonacid.com |
| 04:31.24 | bryjen | ~bzfquery surfersonacid.com:5154 |
| 04:32.14 | bryjen | .local macs druggies |
| 04:32.30 | shkoo | hmm. i think i want a "record & replay game" feature. |
| 04:34.35 | shkoo | and an "observe without showing up in the player list" feature. |
| 04:35.52 | bryjen | then you get bug reports "It says 3/3 observers, but none show up on the scoreboard." |
| 04:37.12 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: If shot received has a flag mismatch, set velocity based on tank azimuth and BZDB shotspeed (avoid non-moving ex-sw shots, et. al.) |
| 04:37.26 | MrApathyCream | leaerner: no SIG_PIPE in VC6 |
| 04:38.04 | MrApathyCream | bzfs.cxx line: 4499 |
| 04:39.39 | bryjen | is that where Nid's "mines" were coming from? |
| 04:42.01 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:49.29 | learner | MrApathyCream: I know.. see include/win32.h |
| 04:50.19 | learner | in that particular case, it preserves the prior behavior |
| 04:50.38 | learner | i think I maintained behavior for all the changes |
| 04:51.06 | learner | i'll work on moving more of it too later from other locations where it's simple enough |
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| 04:54.44 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6s: more fluff |
| 04:55.59 | MrApathyCream | learner: where is win32.h included in bzfs.cxx? |
| 04:56.15 | learner | via common.h |
| 04:56.23 | MrApathyCream | how come i get errors :) |
| 04:56.40 | MrApathyCream | erg, atltrace stuff is boosted too |
| 04:56.52 | learner | very good question.. |
| 04:57.25 | Patlabor221 | dtr changed your altrace stuff |
| 04:57.27 | Patlabor221 | for VC5 |
| 04:57.36 | Patlabor221 | I split it into config.h |
| 04:57.37 | MrApathyCream | well it's boosted |
| 04:57.45 | Patlabor221 | since I don't have your same alttrace |
| 04:58.09 | Patlabor221 | slap his changes around a MSVC_VERS test |
| 04:58.39 | Patlabor221 | found out I can just do a printf and it'll dump to the IDE console for me in .net |
| 04:58.54 | MrApathyCream | oh ok i see |
| 04:59.08 | MrApathyCream | he already did that |
| 04:59.14 | Patlabor221 | so now you and him can fight over it, and not involve me :) |
| 04:59.16 | MrApathyCream | but ATL_TRACE_LEVEL is only defined if _DEBUG |
| 04:59.23 | MrApathyCream | it's fixzed |
| 04:59.27 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 04:59.33 | MrApathyCream | without touching his |
| 04:59.57 | Patlabor221 | so we should all be able to build now |
| 05:00.20 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/config.h: fix ATLTRACE2 in release mode |
| 05:00.32 | MrApathyCream | i still may have SIG_PIPE probs |
| 05:00.33 | MrApathyCream | checking |
| 05:00.46 | MrApathyCream | wow gazillions of errors |
| 05:01.03 | MrApathyCream | thats what you get for leting mac-types but win code in |
| 05:01.22 | MrApathyCream | fd_set redefinition problems |
| 05:01.51 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: no prob |
| 05:02.07 | MrApathyCream | including winsock2.h twice? |
| 05:02.42 | Patlabor221 | well you will also need to download another file |
| 05:02.55 | learner | mac, I did at least make sure it .. um .. compiles ..... |
| 05:03.06 | MrApathyCream | YEAH ON MACINTOSH!!!! |
| 05:03.11 | learner | ;) |
| 05:03.11 | Patlabor221 | compiles for you! |
| 05:03.12 | learner | hehe |
| 05:03.21 | Patlabor221 | MAC, just #def out all his mac code |
| 05:03.40 | learner | what was the main problem? |
| 05:03.48 | learner | i can revert it if you like |
| 05:03.50 | MrApathyCream | thousands of refinitions |
| 05:03.59 | MrApathyCream | i dunno where the conflict is |
| 05:04.06 | MrApathyCream | winsock2.h and something else i guess |
| 05:04.07 | Patlabor221 | MrApathyCream: start downloading this, jeffm.bakadigital.com/BZ/10.3/alternate.zip |
| 05:04.08 | MrApathyCream | gd_set |
| 05:04.12 | Patlabor221 | it'll take you a bit |
| 05:04.16 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: start.... :) |
| 05:04.36 | Patlabor221 | it's a bigie |
| 05:04.41 | Patlabor221 | 6 ish megs IIRC |
| 05:04.58 | Patlabor221 | do I need to? |
| 05:06.02 | Patlabor221 | and I allready made everything look all purdy |
| 05:08.04 | Patlabor221 | want me to send him this DOS compatable Mac PPC I have here? |
| 05:08.05 | MrApathyCream | don't revert too much |
| 05:08.09 | MrApathyCream | there's been checkins since |
| 05:08.13 | Patlabor221 | learner let me look at it |
| 05:08.22 | Patlabor221 | just gimme a bit |
| 05:08.22 | learner | it has to be common.h |
| 05:08.24 | MrApathyCream | winsock.h and winsock2.h have fd_set |
| 05:08.26 | Patlabor221 | I'm eating |
| 05:08.30 | learner | but those were the most benign, it seemed |
| 05:09.01 | learner | mac, does it fail just on bzfs, or elsewhere too? |
| 05:09.02 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: is there a #pragma print or some such that echos during compile? |
| 05:09.14 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 05:09.17 | MrApathyCream | bzfs |
| 05:09.35 | MrApathyCream | every cxx |
| 05:09.41 | MrApathyCream | so must be some common header |
| 05:09.53 | learner | so every file |
| 05:09.56 | bryjen | ~mop Patlabor221 |
| 05:09.59 | | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after Patlabor221 |
| 05:09.59 | MrApathyCream | 982 errors |
| 05:10.07 | creeperz | ewwww |
| 05:10.11 | learner | that'd be the change to common.h then |
| 05:10.21 | Patlabor221 | 'taint my mess |
| 05:10.28 | Patlabor221 | what did you add in common? |
| 05:10.41 | MrApathyCream | you just added win32.h? |
| 05:11.15 | Patlabor221 | ok where is win32.h? |
| 05:11.16 | Patlabor221 | platform? |
| 05:11.44 | Patlabor221 | and what is in win32.h? |
| 05:12.12 | MrApathyCream | include |
| 05:12.24 | Patlabor221 | umm dude why the typedef on signed short? |
| 05:12.34 | learner | i moved the win32 sections from common.h into win32.h and added win32.h to common.h |
| 05:12.41 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 05:13.09 | learner | and then I moved some simple defines being used in bzfs into win32.h as well |
| 05:13.11 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:13.47 | learner | dude, those typedef's were already tehre |
| 05:13.50 | Patlabor221 | i'm working on it |
| 05:13.56 | learner | i didn't add any code, just moved around |
| 05:13.59 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 05:14.05 | Patlabor221 | I think I know why it's borked now |
| 05:14.07 | Patlabor221 | gimme a bit |
| 05:14.24 | Patlabor221 | just the location of some thing |
| 05:14.28 | Patlabor221 | order is important |
| 05:14.52 | learner | apparently there must have been some implicit ordering in common.h |
| 05:15.01 | Patlabor221 | yes there was |
| 05:15.23 | Patlabor221 | and I'm making sure no #define runs more then once |
| 05:16.53 | Patlabor221 | config and this will need to be in a certan order relitive to <windows.h> |
| 05:16.56 | MrApathyCream | learner: Tim says shoot for release on sat |
| 05:17.42 | Patlabor221 | learner where is bsd.h and beos.h? |
| 05:18.30 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:18.32 | learner | would it be detrimental to just include windows.h in win32.h? |
| 05:18.39 | Patlabor221 | posibly |
| 05:19.20 | Patlabor221 | check the post on bzbb |
| 05:20.26 | Patlabor221 | got common to build |
| 05:20.34 | Patlabor221 | testing others now |
| 05:20.44 | learner | woohoo |
| 05:20.54 | Patlabor221 | learner where is bsd and beos.h? |
| 05:21.12 | Patlabor221 | and metrowerks.h |
| 05:21.38 | learner | uh.. |
| 05:21.48 | learner | what are you talking about? |
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| 05:22.01 | learner | those are on BeOS |
| 05:22.02 | Patlabor221 | they have ugly #defs in common.h |
| 05:22.12 | Patlabor221 | so they should be ripped out as well |
| 05:22.29 | Patlabor221 | if your going to break one platform be fair break them all :) |
| 05:22.58 | learner | hehe, all in good time :) |
| 05:23.39 | MrApathyCream | comeon learner i'm sure you can get them to compile too |
| 05:23.42 | Patlabor221 | and build it does |
| 05:24.31 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/ (common.h win32.h): |
| 05:24.31 | CIA-4 | clean up some slopyness left over from the past |
| 05:24.31 | CIA-4 | make davie happy. |
| 05:24.38 | Patlabor221 | if that don't work, then your compiler sucks |
| 05:24.41 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 05:25.22 | Patlabor221 | moslty just moved stuff in the right order and made sure to not define or typedeff stuff that was allrady defined or typedefed |
| 05:25.38 | Patlabor221 | learner windows.h often defines many types |
| 05:25.42 | MrApathyCream | what a concept |
| 05:25.43 | Patlabor221 | but it depends on what compiler you have |
| 05:26.03 | Patlabor221 | so the typedefs you moved may not have been in the scope of windows.h |
| 05:26.10 | Patlabor221 | but you moved them around so they got in scope |
| 05:26.20 | Patlabor221 | tho the way you did it will be much cleaner in the future |
| 05:26.28 | Patlabor221 | so it's all good |
| 05:28.36 | Patlabor221 | I think it should be done for all the OS specific stuff |
| 05:30.36 | learner | heh |
| 05:30.58 | MrApathyCream | still busted |
| 05:31.02 | captain_proton | wow |
| 05:31.08 | MrApathyCream | 982 errors |
| 05:31.13 | captain_proton | btrotter is like an oblimov for the next generation |
| 05:31.40 | MrApathyCream | yes, annoying aint he? |
| 05:33.43 | Patlabor221 | show me one error |
| 05:34.01 | Patlabor221 | the zip isn't called that |
| 05:34.30 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: there's nothing wrong with the zip file |
| 05:34.35 | Patlabor221 | ohhh |
| 05:34.37 | MrApathyCream | its just unuable |
| 05:34.39 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 05:34.46 | Patlabor221 | show me one error |
| 05:34.49 | MrApathyCream | one sec |
| 05:34.52 | Patlabor221 | maybe I can help pin it down |
| 05:35.06 | Patlabor221 | sigh* your going to make me fire up vc6 arn't you? |
| 05:35.41 | MrApathyCream | c:\program files\microsoft visual studio\vc98\include\winsock2.h(99) : error C2011: 'fd_set' : 'struct' type redefinition |
| 05:35.41 | MrApathyCream | c:\program files\microsoft visual studio\vc98\include\winsock2.h(134) : warning C4005: 'FD_SET' : macro redefinition |
| 05:35.41 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.02 | Patlabor221 | hmm, ok let me look for it |
| 05:36.57 | Patlabor221 | debug or release mac? |
| 05:37.09 | MrApathyCream | umm |
| 05:37.15 | MrApathyCream | debug |
| 05:37.45 | MrApathyCream | happens for both |
| 05:37.56 | Patlabor221 | vc6 does not like those |
| 05:38.03 | Patlabor221 | wow that is a lot of errors |
| 05:38.32 | MrApathyCream | yes indeedy |
| 05:39.10 | Patlabor221 | learner did you change global.h? |
| 05:39.30 | learner | nope |
| 05:40.10 | learner | shall i revert common.h to see if that helps? |
| 05:40.25 | Patlabor221 | no not yet |
| 05:40.32 | Patlabor221 | no reason to hack at an aswer |
| 05:40.42 | Patlabor221 | when one can be found by simply figureing it out |
| 05:40.46 | learner | but then we could move the stuff slowly |
| 05:40.56 | Patlabor221 | I'm allrady making progress |
| 05:41.01 | Patlabor221 | things happen for reasons |
| 05:41.05 | MrApathyCream | under 800? |
| 05:41.08 | Patlabor221 | the compiler tells you what they are |
| 05:41.26 | learner | i don't mind either way ;) |
| 05:42.29 | learner | but i do care that mac cares :/ |
| 05:43.12 | learner | speaking of caring, how are the horsies? |
| 05:43.20 | learner | bit cold for them, eh? inside yet? |
| 05:44.20 | learner | hrm.. spreading the flu via irc.. what next |
| 05:44.30 | MrApathyCream | inside at nite |
| 05:44.32 | Patlabor221 | hmm how the hell is winsock.h geting in there? |
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| 05:45.17 | learner | there must be some place where winsock is included before common |
| 05:45.22 | Patlabor221 | it's not |
| 05:45.23 | learner | howdy tupone :) |
| 05:45.32 | Patlabor221 | what does happen is something else in windows includes it |
| 05:45.38 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:45.40 | Tupone | hi |
| 05:46.20 | MrApathyCream | windows.h includes winsock.h |
| 05:46.24 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 05:46.41 | Patlabor221 | ahah! |
| 05:46.48 | Patlabor221 | #if(_WIN32_WINNT >= 0x0400) |
| 05:46.48 | Patlabor221 | #include <winsock2.h> |
| 05:46.48 | Patlabor221 | #include <mswsock.h> |
| 05:46.48 | Patlabor221 | #else |
| 05:46.48 | Patlabor221 | #include <winsock.h> |
| 05:46.49 | Patlabor221 | #endif /* _WIN32_WINNT >= 0x0400 */ |
| 05:46.56 | Patlabor221 | I'll bet your not defineing that |
| 05:47.02 | MrApathyCream | makes sense |
| 05:47.11 | Patlabor221 | well your gonna! :) |
| 05:47.13 | MrApathyCream | put in win32.h? |
| 05:47.18 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:47.27 | Patlabor221 | my headers don't want that |
| 05:47.34 | Patlabor221 | going to go in your config |
| 05:47.41 | Patlabor221 | working...... |
| 05:47.42 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:48.41 | MrApathyCream | is config.h included before windows.h? |
| 05:49.01 | Patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\win32\vc6\config.h(62) : error C2084: function 'void __cdecl W32_DEBUG_TRACE(const char *)' already has a body |
| 05:49.02 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:49.14 | Patlabor221 | that was the problem with the sockelen thing |
| 05:49.21 | Patlabor221 | so now it works to our advantage |
| 05:49.27 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 05:49.45 | Patlabor221 | now all I have is that |
| 05:49.45 | Patlabor221 | and an assload of warnings |
| 05:49.56 | MrApathyCream | better tho |
| 05:49.57 | Patlabor221 | want me to commit and you can fix the rest? |
| 05:50.02 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:50.07 | Patlabor221 | I don't know about your trace thing |
| 05:50.15 | Patlabor221 | ohh nm I can fix |
| 05:50.17 | Patlabor221 | I know the problem |
| 05:50.50 | MrApathyCream | ifdef guard in config.h? |
| 05:50.57 | Patlabor221 | that would be one way |
| 05:51.00 | Patlabor221 | you need one of those |
| 05:51.23 | Patlabor221 | trying it |
| 05:52.06 | MrApathyCream | seems to work |
| 05:52.25 | Patlabor221 | verifying here then I will commit for you |
| 05:52.32 | MrApathyCream | otay |
| 05:53.15 | MrApathyCream | now just lots of 4786 warnings: no big deal |
| 05:53.19 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/common.h win32/VC6/bzfs.dsp win32/VC6/config.h): fixes for more primitive compilers :) |
| 05:53.27 | Patlabor221 | umm I had 23 when I was done |
| 05:53.31 | Patlabor221 | so not too bad |
| 05:53.41 | Patlabor221 | I threw some stuff in to fix some |
| 05:55.19 | MrApathyCream | learner is Patlabor221's biotch |
| 05:55.49 | creeperz | i throw poo at you |
| 05:56.06 | creeperz | cuz thats what monkeys do |
| 05:57.02 | creeperz | ant are infesting his computer |
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| 06:06.00 | learner | heh |
| 06:18.23 | Patlabor221 | ahhh neverwinter nights has some purdy spell effects |
| 06:20.24 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/ (common.dsp bzflag.dsp): Put win32.h in the vc projects |
| 06:23.15 | learner | send me a memo if all isn't fixed soon enough, and I shall revert at least common.h mañana |
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| 07:02.22 | Patlabor221 | fix what by tomorow? |
| 07:49.34 | zecoj | can u play bzflag w/ a 3d-incapable video card? |
| 07:52.53 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 07:52.58 | Patlabor221 | just runs in software |
| 07:53.02 | Patlabor221 | really slow |
| 07:54.20 | zecoj | ic, thx |
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| 09:08.58 | bomber | moin |
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| 10:32.39 | bomber | hey pimp |
| 10:33.30 | Pimpinella | hallo bomber |
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| 10:46.27 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 10:50.10 | bomber | hmmm |
| 10:58.52 | Pimpinella | bomber: hast du Zeit? |
| 10:59.38 | Pimpinella | ich brauche einen starken Gegner ;) |
| 11:03.28 | bomber | k |
| 11:03.41 | bomber | 5 min |
| 11:03.43 | Pimpinella | na dann... |
| 11:03.56 | Pimpinella | ab jatzt oder in 5 Minuten? |
| 11:05.38 | bomber | jeeeettttttzzzzzzzzt |
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| 12:15.45 | your_dog | good morning |
| 12:28.23 | your_dog | is there anyone here this morning? |
| 12:28.42 | your_dog | have i made someone mad :( |
| 12:28.47 | your_dog | :D |
| 12:29.48 | bomber | good morning |
| 12:29.54 | bomber | :o) |
| 12:30.17 | your_dog | hehe |
| 12:30.31 | your_dog | it sure is quiet this morning |
| 12:32.04 | bomber | pimp, zongo, root and cal played match :o) |
| 12:32.32 | your_dog | ohhhh, cool |
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| 12:48.59 | your_dog | hi larsl |
| 12:49.06 | larsl_school | Hello. |
| 12:58.06 | your_dog | ok, i've g2g, cy'all l8r |
| 12:58.26 | your_dog | is Chestal here? |
| 12:59.00 | your_dog | okie dokie |
| 12:59.09 | your_dog | bye all |
| 12:59.13 | bomber | bye |
| 13:01.41 | larsl_school | This Saturday, huh? Regardless of bug status? |
| 13:12.10 | Pimpinella | hups, HBB played HBB with score of 1:18 ?? |
| 13:12.25 | Pimpinella | :) interesting |
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| 14:04.48 | Chestal | Pimpinella: that ws against The Elites |
| 14:05.26 | Chestal | Pimpinella: DUB should try and arrange matches in the league with some of the teams which are not in the top7 or so, you might even win for a change ;-) |
| 14:06.16 | bomber | :o))))))) |
| 14:06.29 | bomber | but then its boring |
| 14:06.48 | Chestal | a 0-6 against TDS is not bad |
| 14:08.25 | Pimpinella | Chestal: its more fun to fight strong teams however |
| 14:08.42 | Pimpinella | we'll learn much more |
| 14:10.30 | Pimpinella | we need more practice and we didnt match for more but 2 month before, didnt play much either |
| 14:10.52 | Pimpinella | but we have a date with EEZ now :) |
| 14:12.56 | bomber | good luck pimp |
| 14:13.05 | Pimpinella | tnx |
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| 14:13.50 | Pimpinella | bomber: we should play also :) |
| 14:14.02 | Pimpinella | maybe when bit is finished |
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| 14:20.10 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/acinclude.m4: Prefer ncurses over other curses |
| 14:23.49 | Chestal | evil larsl |
| 14:24.10 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 14:25.38 | larsl_school | I have some more cleanups for the curses stuff, but they could break things so they'll have to wait until 1.10.5. |
| 14:27.23 | bryjen | larsl_school: i think i'm getting black text on black background in bzadmin. looks like a lot of blank lines, but it i cut-and-paste them with the mouse into another app, theres stuff there |
| 14:27.52 | larsl_school | Hm. |
| 14:27.59 | larsl_school | ncurses? |
| 14:28.17 | bryjen | lemme look for the lib |
| 14:28.57 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.07 | larsl_school | I have ncurses 5.3 too. |
| 14:29.25 | larsl_school | But I might know what it is. That last commit could fix it. |
| 14:29.32 | bryjen | i wonder what it does from the real text console... brb |
| 14:30.55 | larsl_school | Looks like F2 isn't always sent properly over ssh. =P |
| 14:31.16 | larsl_school | That's an ssh problem though. |
| 14:31.23 | bryjen | appears to be the same. thought maybe it was the X terminal emulator flaking. |
| 14:32.34 | larsl_school | bryjen: ncurses has curses.h and ncurses.h, and the earlier acinclude.m4 would look for curses.h first, and assume that it wasn't ncurses. That might have messed up the color initialization. |
| 14:32.41 | larsl_school | If that was the case it should work now. |
| 14:33.40 | bryjen | ah, ok. need to wait for anon cvs to catch up then. and run configure again? |
| 14:34.15 | larsl_school | Yes. Or make might be enough, I think it runs aclocal and autoconf and configure etc if the files have changed. |
| 14:34.53 | larsl_school | If not, you need to run aclocal and autoconf first. |
| 14:35.22 | larsl_school | Or just autogen.sh, it seems to do all that stuff. |
| 14:38.38 | larsl_school | http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ might have it already if you don't want to wait for anoncvs. |
| 14:50.08 | bomber | pimp: ask snipe, bzg or bamf....they were on ducati....i cant |
| 14:50.56 | bryjen | yeah. but the i have to fix-up the CVS/Root files to go back to using cvs. sfsnap is infected with the davidtrowbridge bot. ;) |
| 14:51.34 | larsl_school | Ah, yeah. |
| 14:52.21 | larsl_school | Anyway, I had color problems earlier too but it seems to work again now. |
| 14:52.50 | rooter | TDS needs to match more too... that was calico and my 1st match in months |
| 14:54.56 | Chestal | ~seen Quol |
| 14:55.05 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 13h 51m 29s ago, saying: 'anyone know where that badwords file is kept?'. |
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| 15:05.01 | larsl_school | Hello TimRiker. |
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| 15:06.44 | bryjen | Hello TimRiker & orchid |
| 15:06.53 | orchid | hello |
| 15:07.28 | bryjen | larsl_school: that's fixed the colors. /me thinks i need a bigger font in my terminal now tho... |
| 15:07.37 | larsl_school | That's not my fault. =) |
| 15:08.45 | bryjen | normally i use white on black, plenty of contrast, so a small font is ok. |
| 15:09.27 | larsl_school | Ah. |
| 15:09.39 | larsl_school | We should have an option to turn off the colors. |
| 15:15.20 | Nidhoggr | it might be an issue on my phone :) |
| 15:15.32 | Nidhoggr | it's monocrome |
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| 15:16.47 | Nidhoggr | hrm. bz not building on linux. |
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| 15:19.00 | Nidhoggr | hello mister grumbler |
| 15:19.05 | Grumbler | hey Nidhoggr |
| 15:19.15 | Nidhoggr | I'm building a new bzfs on logos. |
| 15:19.22 | larsl_school | Not building on Linux? What's the error? |
| 15:19.30 | Grumbler | ok |
| 15:19.51 | Grumbler | i promised to which maps sometime today....... |
| 15:19.54 | Nidhoggr | larsl, let me try fresh and ./autogen.sh |
| 15:21.03 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. that seems to have fixed that error. |
| 15:21.03 | Grumbler | ~gmm |
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| 15:21.18 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:21.18 | larsl_school | That shouldn't matter. |
| 15:21.21 | Nidhoggr | sometimes it does |
| 15:21.24 | larsl_school | Unless the time is different. |
| 15:21.47 | Nidhoggr | if I do 'make clean' afterward, it sometimes thinks autogen hasn't been run, and then it errors. |
| 15:22.15 | Nidhoggr | most of the time, it makes the autogen, and is fine, but if files are added/removed, that's when it errors. |
| 15:22.20 | larsl_school | OK. |
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| 15:27.41 | Grumbler | larsl_school: tried to build bzedit again last night.......running into issues with current redhat installls and req's for glut etc...... |
| 15:28.03 | Nidhoggr | there are so few people getting bzedit for linux working. |
| 15:28.21 | captain_proton | >:) |
| 15:28.23 | Grumbler | i think it works fine for those with mandrake.......... |
| 15:28.25 | Nidhoggr | there. new bzfs installed. |
| 15:28.53 | Nidhoggr | I tried it once, but gave up, because my vid card was crashing my computer at the time. |
| 15:28.59 | larsl_school | Grumbler: Did you try the --with-gl-prefix option? |
| 15:30.12 | Grumbler | larsl_school: yes, it then complains about 2.2.4 being reported, but finding 2.2.0 being found......... |
| 15:30.38 | larsl_school | What version is that? GTK+? |
| 15:30.46 | Grumbler | yeah |
| 15:32.50 | larsl_school | Hm, weird. |
| 15:33.09 | larsl_school | Can you build other GTK+ programs? |
| 15:33.14 | larsl_school | (using GTK+ 2) |
| 15:33.20 | Grumbler | larsl_school: it is probably all the installs i have done lately trying to get pybzflag up and running.......and bzedit..... |
| 15:33.40 | captain_proton | Grumbler: at least you're not trying to run jetstream ;) |
| 15:33.50 | scanline | hah |
| 15:34.30 | Grumbler | enough, what i am lacking presently is patience... :) |
| 15:34.39 | captain_proton | maybe not enough ;) |
| 15:34.54 | captain_proton | RAM was the problem for me when compiling jetstream, had 256 at the time |
| 15:34.58 | Grumbler | 384 is enough |
| 15:35.09 | captain_proton | those 6 hour compiles still haunt my nightmares |
| 15:35.16 | larsl_school | 6 hours? |
| 15:35.22 | Grumbler | worse comes to worse, i can linux-ize a 1 gig machine |
| 15:35.24 | scanline | 384 -might- be enough to compile it without thrashing |
| 15:35.35 | scanline | er, wait |
| 15:35.42 | scanline | pythonwrapper took about 500MB to compile |
| 15:35.47 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 15:35.48 | scanline | so I was just barely fine with my 512MB machine |
| 15:36.00 | Nidhoggr | I remember this guy in 96 when I worked in primenet tech support, who compiled a linux kernel on his 2mb laptop. |
| 15:36.03 | Nidhoggr | took days |
| 15:36.18 | scanline | yeah, and I've compiled gcc on a dreamcast too... |
| 15:36.22 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 15:36.27 | scanline | but this is something that takes far too long to compile on real hardware :) |
| 15:36.46 | Nidhoggr | my server is backordered until the end of the month. :( |
| 15:36.54 | captain_proton | well, it only takes a few minutes if you've got enough ram |
| 15:37.02 | captain_proton | but if it starts swapping, too bad for you |
| 15:37.03 | scanline | silly boost |
| 15:37.19 | scanline | have fun |
| 15:37.20 | Nidhoggr | see ya proton |
| 15:38.18 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: galkire.net is running the bzfs out of /usr/..... is that the new build |
| 15:38.26 | Nidhoggr | so... there is this guy who plays on SP who often has a 40:1 kill ratio. it's almost impossible to hit him at times, and other times it's not so hard. |
| 15:38.28 | Nidhoggr | yes, g |
| 15:38.35 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.43 | Nidhoggr | and this guy's lag is fine |
| 15:38.52 | Nidhoggr | so we think he's using subtle cheats. |
| 15:39.12 | Nidhoggr | our other best players NEVER get that kind of ratio. |
| 15:39.25 | Nidhoggr | I've seen him with 50-0 on a full server, and not camping. |
| 15:39.26 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: either that or packet loss |
| 15:39.28 | larsl_school | Hard to prevent without getting lots of false positives. |
| 15:40.02 | Nidhoggr | then an admin will go observer, he'll get shot once, and leave because "his score is spoiled" |
| 15:40.19 | larsl_school | Hm. Maybe we need invisible observers. |
| 15:40.21 | Nidhoggr | then he posts on bzbb that he was accused of cheating |
| 15:40.24 | Nidhoggr | I agree. |
| 15:40.27 | Nidhoggr | somehow. |
| 15:40.34 | larsl_school | I've been thinking about that. |
| 15:41.11 | bryjen | shkoo was mumbling about invisible observers last night |
| 15:41.30 | Nidhoggr | people are going to cheat, and stop when they know they are being watched. |
| 15:41.44 | Nidhoggr | and this guy is impossible to watch. |
| 15:41.46 | larsl_school | If we improve the authentification in the next protocol to be automatic on connection, we could let admins be completely invisible. |
| 15:41.55 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 15:42.00 | bryjen | everybody drives the speed limit when there's a cop car behind them ;) |
| 15:43.39 | Nidhoggr | true. :) |
| 15:43.47 | Nidhoggr | I got nabbed by photo radar last month. :( |
| 15:44.00 | Nidhoggr | I get to go to traffic school, so I don't loose points on my license. |
| 15:44.30 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:44.56 | Chestal | I hate it when I type '>' instead of '.' |
| 15:45.12 | Chestal | especially when 'rm *' preceded that character |
| 15:45.24 | bryjen | what's funnier is a police car going just below the speed limit on the highway. nobody wants to pass him, so a crowd collects behind... |
| 15:46.08 | Nidhoggr | I always go 5 over on the freeway. pass cops all the time. never been pulled over. :) |
| 15:46.32 | Nidhoggr | I was on the M4 in britian once. passed a cop going 104 mp in a austin metro. |
| 15:46.43 | Nidhoggr | I still don't understand why I wasn't pulled over. |
| 15:46.46 | bryjen | Chestal: at least there was no -fr in that |
| 15:47.16 | Nidhoggr | we joke that he was thinking "if THAT car can go 104 mph, I'm not stopping it!" |
| 15:47.17 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 15:47.24 | bryjen | ~convert 104 miles to kilometers |
| 15:47.46 | bryjen | ~convert 104 kilometers to miles |
| 15:49.15 | larsl_school | EM is too boring. |
| 15:49.30 | Grumbler | EM? |
| 15:49.37 | larsl_school | Electromagnetism. |
| 15:49.50 | Grumbler | fields and waves.....yes, boring |
| 15:50.03 | Grumbler | almost as bad as thermodynamics |
| 15:50.43 | Grumbler | quantum physics is much more interesting |
| 15:51.06 | larsl_school | The university program I'm following is so very slow. |
| 15:51.30 | Grumbler | you on a 6 year plan... |
| 15:51.43 | larsl_school | We don't have that in Sweden. |
| 15:51.58 | larsl_school | 5 years is the longest, I think (for MDs). |
| 15:52.31 | larsl_school | Although it'll be 6 years together with the CS stuff. =) |
| 15:53.11 | larsl_school | Eeeeew. |
| 15:53.12 | Grumbler | err...that grumbler's |
| 15:53.50 | Noodleman | physics is fun stuff |
| 15:53.55 | Noodleman | at least the little bit i know |
| 15:54.35 | SportChick | hubby has a physics degree |
| 15:54.48 | Grumbler | ....and does what now? |
| 15:55.11 | SportChick | well, he got dual degree really. Physics major, computer science minor. |
| 15:55.35 | Grumbler | not uncommon with all the modelling going on |
| 15:55.36 | SportChick | Now he works for an aerospace corporation doing inhouse programming for experiements and stuff |
| 15:55.56 | SportChick | (he's been there 16 years) |
| 15:56.06 | SportChick | and LOVES his job |
| 15:56.53 | Grumbler | poor guy......... :) |
| 15:57.11 | Noodleman | but maybe i should minor in physics |
| 15:57.27 | Noodleman | backwards |
| 15:57.28 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 15:57.34 | larsl_school | With physics you would get the math for free. =) |
| 15:57.42 | SportChick | Grumbler: earlier you said " i promised to which maps sometime today......." did you mean "switch"? |
| 15:57.54 | Grumbler | SportChick: yep....typo |
| 15:58.07 | SportChick | is it gonna be a rotating map or what? |
| 15:58.09 | Grumbler | or a brain-po |
| 15:58.19 | SportChick | I know HIS was complaining about it, but I actually LIKE the one you have now |
| 15:58.33 | SportChick | as well as the one you had the first day I came over and helped test it |
| 15:58.50 | Grumbler | SportChick: yes, the idea is to provide a place for people developing maps to get feedback |
| 15:59.01 | SportChick | ah, okay...cool |
| 15:59.17 | Grumbler | .....the only reason that map is up, is because Nid did a recompile and i lost knightmares |
| 15:59.20 | SportChick | didn't know if you'd ever run the same maps from time to time (i.e., will we see Mad City again) |
| 15:59.28 | SportChick | oh |
| 15:59.29 | SportChick | :( |
| 15:59.45 | Grumbler | SportChick: yes, you will see it again......2 days max per map |
| 15:59.52 | SportChick | :) |
| 15:59.54 | SportChick | cool |
| 16:00.03 | SportChick | Thanks, Grumbler |
| 16:00.05 | SportChick | :) |
| 16:00.16 | Grumbler | i still have to code a user friendly rotating script.....but yes... |
| 16:01.06 | Noodleman | i wish i still had all the old scripts for the noodleroni rotating server |
| 16:01.21 | Noodleman | i've since learned backups are your best friend |
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| 16:03.10 | TheDarkSamurai | hi all |
| 16:03.15 | Noodleman | hey |
| 16:03.27 | TheDarkSamurai | after carful though |
| 16:03.37 | TheDarkSamurai | the UK sport assiosiation |
| 16:03.58 | TheDarkSamurai | has agreed to open an England Bzflag league |
| 16:03.59 | Noodleman | just curious everybody, i've seen *.greatnet.de before, who's got a server there? |
| 16:04.08 | TheDarkSamurai | (for only england players) |
| 16:04.08 | Noodleman | TheDarkSamurai: really? |
| 16:04.16 | Noodleman | cool :-) |
| 16:04.26 | TheDarkSamurai | yeah really |
| 16:04.50 | TheDarkSamurai | anywhere the website and teh advertising will take up to a year to be completed |
| 16:05.19 | Noodleman | TheDarkSamurai: it looks like you are connecting thru a CGI:IRC page, where is that? |
| 16:05.30 | Noodleman | i've just been really curious about something :-) |
| 16:05.31 | TheDarkSamurai | so if you meet any england people online get them in touch with me plz. it would speed things up a bit |
| 16:05.39 | Noodleman | ok |
| 16:06.18 | TheDarkSamurai | the site will open just after my GCSEs |
| 16:06.44 | TheDarkSamurai | which will be about august |
| 16:13.45 | Pimpinella | ~d |
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| 16:19.59 | SportChick | wow...filter just caught "pull an" in the sentence "did you pull an all-nighter?" |
| 16:20.19 | SportChick | learner: are you around? |
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| 16:43.22 | SportChick | GRRRRRRR the kick function NEEDS not to default on "o"!!! |
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| 16:53.28 | JBdiGriz | It's a pain kicking a friend accidentally, isn't it? |
| 16:55.11 | SportChick | an admin, no less |
| 16:55.33 | Patlabor221 | why are those not F keys? |
| 16:55.46 | Nidhoggr | good question |
| 16:55.55 | SportChick | :( |
| 16:55.55 | Nidhoggr | I think o needs to be replaced with a function key. |
| 16:56.04 | Nidhoggr | like in bzadmin |
| 16:56.32 | JBdiGriz | f12 is an excellent kick key |
| 16:57.14 | Death_Barrel | maybe it should be "k" for kick and "b" for ban |
| 16:57.25 | SportChick | NO |
| 16:57.26 | Death_Barrel | i always find myself using the biniculars on accident :( |
| 16:57.29 | SportChick | that would be just as bad |
| 16:57.36 | Death_Barrel | i hate the binoculars |
| 16:57.36 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:57.39 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 16:58.20 | Death_Barrel | you go to do a "o" for lagstats and you end up kicking someone |
| 16:58.20 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:59.17 | SportChick | I agree a function key would be better..or something you don't normally hit when typing |
| 16:59.28 | JBdiGriz | You can already map a function key to lagstats |
| 16:59.29 | Death_Barrel | yeah |
| 16:59.40 | Death_Barrel | btw: how do you map keys |
| 16:59.42 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:59.45 | Death_Barrel | never done that |
| 17:00.22 | JBdiGriz | chestal added a menu to the latest build to make it easy |
| 17:00.27 | Death_Barrel | ah ok |
| 17:00.32 | Death_Barrel | i will have to take a look |
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| 17:03.25 | fontenot | sigh. another whole night lost to bzflag. |
| 17:03.51 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 17:05.39 | CIA-4 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (20 files in 2 dirs): text files should always be in unix format |
| 17:06.10 | fontenot | is the client still doing collission detection? I'm fairly certain there's still hit cheating going on |
| 17:06.23 | fontenot | ppl who can jump constantly and I cant hit them |
| 17:06.30 | fontenot | in one place under a surface |
| 17:06.49 | fontenot | all my experience tells me that's just not right |
| 17:07.12 | Grumbler | fontenot: it could be lag.......for loss of packets.......not necessarily a cheat..........but your right, hard to prove |
| 17:07.23 | fontenot | i know what lag looks like |
| 17:07.28 | fontenot | and I know how to compensate |
| 17:08.04 | fontenot | that's the problem - it's so easy to cheat and so hard to prove, that one never has any idea what's going on |
| 17:08.21 | JBdiGriz | the client is still doing collision detection, that code hasn't changed much |
| 17:08.29 | fontenot | ah OK thanks |
| 17:08.43 | fontenot | in that case there is a 100% possibility that hit cheating is going on still |
| 17:09.05 | fontenot | if it's possible (easy even) ppl do it |
| 17:09.16 | fontenot | i dont understand the need to play dirty |
| 17:09.34 | JBdiGriz | They can't win by playing on an equal basis |
| 17:10.16 | fontenot | one reason I used to like decks with no flags was because that meant no flag cheating, but hit cheating, flying, etc were all still possible |
| 17:10.35 | fontenot | I suppose the purest game is 2 shot no jumping no flags |
| 17:10.38 | Grumbler | fontenot: probably, but i have played on lan bzflag games where that occurred.......only thing we could target was a low fps on the machine that was suspect........now, i understand that some effort was made to correct that........maybe it reverted? |
| 17:10.44 | fontenot | but that gets old for me |
| 17:11.15 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 17:11.18 | fontenot | well there were two ppl on secretplace the other night (not last night - before) with names like autopilot |
| 17:11.24 | Grumbler | nah, 2 shots just makes the lag more frustrating |
| 17:11.31 | fontenot | they said try to hit us - we're testing autopilot |
| 17:11.42 | fontenot | but in reality they were practically unhittable |
| 17:11.54 | fontenot | I'm sure they were just testing a cheat |
| 17:12.06 | fontenot | everyone on server complained til they left |
| 17:12.10 | fontenot | (it wasn't just me) |
| 17:12.20 | Grumbler | nobody brought up the VOTE feature |
| 17:12.27 | JBdiGriz | Use the poll and vote commands to get rid of them |
| 17:12.31 | fontenot | heck, I was around for the perfect cell days |
| 17:12.46 | fontenot | trouble is - only 2 ppl (inclusing me) were registered on server last night |
| 17:13.14 | fontenot | i remember flying unkillable tanks that shot 8 directions plus up |
| 17:13.22 | Nidhoggr | to speak his name is to invoke his evil. shhhh |
| 17:13.23 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:13.34 | Grumbler | but the server is smarter now |
| 17:13.35 | fontenot | i have seen tiny suprtspeed flying tanks that can jump into orbit |
| 17:13.43 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:13.53 | fontenot | well the frustrating cheaters have always been the subtle ones |
| 17:14.19 | JBdiGriz | many of those obvious cheats are detected by the server. it's the subtle cheats (e.g. thin tanks) that are still available. |
| 17:14.22 | Grumbler | (beginning to sound like a baptist surmon).......I have seen the glory land, ahmen brothers.......j/k......hopefully did not offend |
| 17:14.23 | Nidhoggr | I'll have to check the logs for autopilot names. |
| 17:14.29 | fontenot | you know, when they put cheat detection in some windows games, they catch tons of ppl, including the "pillars of the community" who were the loudest complainers about cheaters |
| 17:14.33 | Nidhoggr | see if they might match our current subtle cheater. |
| 17:14.59 | fontenot | I't makes me so sad - that's a main reason I have stopped playing like 3 times already |
| 17:15.02 | JBdiGriz | He isn't too subtle. |
| 17:15.17 | fontenot | Nidhoggr, you run secretplace? it's an excellent server |
| 17:15.20 | Nidhoggr | Trojan? |
| 17:15.27 | Nidhoggr | thanks, fontenot |
| 17:15.28 | fontenot | and very close to me in ping :-) |
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| 17:15.43 | orchid | hi |
| 17:15.47 | JBdiGriz | If other people can affect your life that much, you might want to think about adding new things to it. |
| 17:15.53 | JBdiGriz | hi bzg |
| 17:16.08 | orchid | i just got lag kicked from a server while observing. is this something new? |
| 17:16.08 | orchid | hey jaybee |
| 17:16.16 | fontenot | JBdiGriz, yeah I have seen lots of what I consider too small hit boxes |
| 17:16.34 | fontenot | and last night on another server I saw that guy multi-jumping |
| 17:16.34 | Grumbler | trojan used to have the same issues back in the turkey days |
| 17:16.40 | orchid | rooter: are you alive? |
| 17:16.49 | Grumbler | orchid: its a bug |
| 17:17.07 | orchid | Grumbler: hm, ok |
| 17:17.25 | Grumbler | orchid: not sure what kind, just know other people have had it happen to them |
| 17:17.39 | SportChick | ~bzflist |
| 17:17.44 | bomber | ~d |
| 17:17.53 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist17 |
| 17:18.37 | orchid | bomber: lots of vbz around, no one to match :-/ |
| 17:18.47 | orchid | does laggy observers slow the server down? |
| 17:18.54 | orchid | maybe its a good bug. |
| 17:19.32 | Nidhoggr | we're on a fairly fast network, so we tend to have good pings to almost everyone. |
| 17:19.39 | Nidhoggr | I say ALMOST :) |
| 17:19.50 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 17:20.07 | JBdiGriz | those ponds tend to increase ping time when you have to cross them :) |
| 17:20.14 | bomber | ill ask |
| 17:20.29 | bomber | someone |
| 17:20.34 | Nidhoggr | everyone decided to hop on dragon this morning. |
| 17:20.48 | Nidhoggr | that's the first time I've seen dragon.org as the top server. :) |
| 17:21.24 | orchid | thats the basement map? |
| 17:21.30 | orchid | bunny hunt one |
| 17:21.31 | Nidhoggr | yup... rabbit |
| 17:21.33 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:21.37 | Nidhoggr | it's so much fun |
| 17:21.46 | orchid | its a tough map if theres only 3 of you :) |
| 17:21.48 | Nidhoggr | I couldn't quit the other night... I was addicted. |
| 17:21.50 | Nidhoggr | true. :) |
| 17:22.05 | orchid | i was thre this morning and took ages to even find the guy :) |
| 17:22.22 | Nidhoggr | I should add a few more seer flags. |
| 17:22.33 | Nidhoggr | it already has +f SE{5} |
| 17:22.59 | Nidhoggr | but that's why it's called rabbit HUNT ;) |
| 17:23.06 | Nidhoggr | you get to really HUNT on a map like that. |
| 17:23.28 | orchid | 5 st too? |
| 17:23.44 | Nidhoggr | I think I only have 1 +f ST |
| 17:23.53 | Nidhoggr | they go in phases, though |
| 17:24.03 | Nidhoggr | can't find one for ages, then all of a sudden 5 in a row. |
| 17:24.17 | Nidhoggr | my favorite is SW on that map. |
| 17:24.48 | orchid | yea :) |
| 17:25.42 | Nidhoggr | only think I might change is a teleport on the one side that goes to the top. |
| 17:26.03 | Nidhoggr | because you have to travel all away across the building to get to them. |
| 17:37.50 | Noodleman | emacs are sure cheap these days |
| 17:39.07 | Noodleman | i'd love to get my mom an imac tho |
| 17:39.13 | Noodleman | maybe someday... |
| 17:39.46 | shkoo | ooh, emacs. i like emacs. |
| 17:39.52 | shkoo | but then again, i like vi too. i guess i'm just an editor whore. |
| 17:39.58 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 17:40.06 | Noodleman | vi sucks |
| 17:40.06 | JBdiGriz | eMac vs. emacs. Then again emacs runs on eMacs :) |
| 17:40.07 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 17:40.31 | Noodleman | why do people say that vi is crunchy? i never got that joke |
| 17:40.46 | shkoo | for me, vi works better for quick editing jobs where i don't want to spend half an hour in the editor. |
| 17:41.01 | shkoo | it's also easier to do the whole regex search & replace thing |
| 17:41.06 | Noodleman | do you get that joke? |
| 17:41.28 | shkoo | i do not know why vi would be crunchy. |
| 17:41.42 | Nidhoggr | it's probably a localized joke. :) |
| 17:41.50 | Nidhoggr | morning, shkoo. |
| 17:41.55 | Nidhoggr | morning, noodle. |
| 17:42.05 | Noodleman | morning, Nidhoggr |
| 17:42.16 | shkoo | hi |
| 17:42.18 | Noodleman | well, it's almost noon here ;-) |
| 17:42.33 | JBdiGriz | mvf nid, It's only morning for those of us on this side of the big muddy. |
| 17:42.42 | Nidhoggr | it's 10:42 here. :) |
| 17:43.06 | Nidhoggr | it was kinda muddy out for a bit this morning... actually saw a HUGE rainbow on the way to work. |
| 17:43.16 | Nidhoggr | not a lot of rain in phoenix. |
| 17:43.25 | JBdiGriz | It was probably those sprinklers on the golf courses. :) |
| 17:43.38 | Nidhoggr | I could always say g'day, but people'd think I was on the OTHER side of the big muddy. |
| 17:43.54 | JBdiGriz | That's the big pond :) |
| 17:45.32 | SportChick | ~secretplace |
| 17:45.35 | *** join/#bzflag Roadkill (~mikep@169.207.150.18) |
| 17:46.02 | SportChick | ~dragon |
| 17:46.30 | SportChick | ~galkire |
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| 17:47.18 | Nidhoggr | it was really cranking for a while there (dragon) :) |
| 17:47.32 | Nidhoggr | morning, roadkill. |
| 17:47.56 | Death_Barrel | 1.10.4 will have the new textures? |
| 17:48.03 | Roadkill | Good morning |
| 17:48.44 | Nidhoggr | death_barrel yes. |
| 17:50.02 | Noodleman | Death_Barrel: check out the bzflag nightly rpms if you are using linux |
| 17:50.13 | Noodleman | well, if you are using redhat or something like it :-) |
| 17:50.37 | Nidhoggr | I should do a current windows build. |
| 17:50.54 | Grumbler | SportChick: it's ~gmm |
| 17:51.08 | Grumbler | ~gmm |
| 17:51.10 | *** topic/#bzflag by Noodleman -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || v1.10.4 this Saturday! || Nightly RPM's: http://files.noodleroni.com/pub/bzflag/nightlies/ |
| 17:51.11 | SportChick | okay, thanks, grumbler |
| 17:51.38 | Roadkill | Has anyone else noticed that the scoreboard takes up a large amount of the screen even with the normal font |
| 17:51.46 | Grumbler | Roadkill: yes |
| 17:52.00 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 17:52.34 | Nidhoggr | rk, yes. I've been disabling it |
| 17:52.37 | Grumbler | Noodleman: these are 10.4 builds right......or are they labeled 10.3, but are really 10.4 builds |
| 17:53.24 | Roadkill | I was too, so I finally went and changed the code that calculated the size of the font for the score board |
| 17:54.05 | Nidhoggr | well, it's officially 1.10.3 until the release. |
| 17:54.05 | Grumbler | and you are going to post that where?.....bzbb, because i would like to do the same thing.....even if it is only on the linux box |
| 17:54.07 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:54.35 | Nidhoggr | I think patlabor was posting windows builds on dragon.org the other day. |
| 17:54.42 | Nidhoggr | but don't think he's doing them daily. |
| 17:54.51 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: ug......i dont like that.......it should be like 10.4-pre or something, just so we know it is not the standard 10.3....oh well |
| 17:55.04 | Nidhoggr | grumbler, they're dated |
| 17:55.18 | Nidhoggr | so 10.3 signifies the development (odd number) |
| 17:55.28 | Nidhoggr | then the release is 1.10.4 |
| 17:55.32 | Nidhoggr | I think |
| 17:55.43 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: that would make more sense |
| 17:56.18 | Grumbler | of course, my guru admin used to tell me to never use a package unless it had an odd number at the end |
| 17:56.22 | Nidhoggr | grumbler.. I do let out windows releases whenever there is a significant change on dragon.org for the admins. |
| 17:56.27 | Nidhoggr | heh. |
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| 17:57.41 | Grumbler | cool, i like the odd/even concept............makes it easier to identify issues with clients |
| 18:01.00 | shkoo | are the .rpm's auto-built? |
| 18:03.01 | Death_Barrel | red hat package manager=rpm |
| 18:03.35 | Death_Barrel | cu guys later :) |
| 18:04.32 | shkoo | yes, but are the .rpm's automatically created nightly or something? |
| 18:04.46 | shkoo | sf needs a windoze box in the build farm. :) |
| 18:05.55 | Nidhoggr | shkoo. I just stuck a new build on admins/files on dragon.org. |
| 18:06.00 | Nidhoggr | built 10 minuts ago. :) |
| 18:06.16 | Nidhoggr | minutes even |
| 18:08.03 | shkoo | people won't find it as easily if it's not on sf. |
| 18:08.51 | Nidhoggr | you can probably script builds. |
| 18:08.55 | Nidhoggr | and upload them. |
| 18:11.43 | Patlabor221 | Tim dosn't want to put betas on SF cus you can never remove files from SF |
| 18:11.48 | Patlabor221 | so dragon is it |
| 18:12.07 | Patlabor221 | tho it would be nice if that dragon dir was mentioned on the bzflag mainpage |
| 18:12.16 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:12.21 | Nidhoggr | was thinking same. |
| 18:12.39 | Patlabor221 | did you just do a normal installer? |
| 18:12.44 | Patlabor221 | did you do a high res? |
| 18:12.48 | shkoo | uh |
| 18:12.50 | shkoo | you can't remove files from sf? |
| 18:12.51 | Nidhoggr | normal. |
| 18:12.59 | Patlabor221 | that is what they said |
| 18:13.13 | Patlabor221 | can you do a high res with the updated alt pack? |
| 18:13.29 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/BZ/10.3/alternate.zip |
| 18:13.34 | Nidhoggr | do I just move alt dir into data dir in source tree? |
| 18:13.41 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:13.55 | Patlabor221 | then build the other installer file manualy by right clicking on it |
| 18:15.28 | Nidhoggr | I always have to build the installer manually. |
| 18:15.50 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 18:15.54 | Patlabor221 | that's how I do it |
| 18:16.00 | Patlabor221 | I like to see the text scroll by |
| 18:16.26 | Nidhoggr | when did alternate.zip last change? |
| 18:17.58 | Nidhoggr | I wanna make sure I have a current one. |
| 18:18.01 | Patlabor221 | last night |
| 18:18.04 | Patlabor221 | I think |
| 18:18.08 | Nidhoggr | ok.. need to download, then. |
| 18:18.30 | Patlabor221 | it still needs some more tweaks, but I think it's geting there |
| 18:18.50 | Nidhoggr | what is current url to download? |
| 18:19.07 | Nidhoggr | oh... nevermind |
| 18:19.37 | Nidhoggr | downloading. |
| 18:21.14 | *** part/#bzflag Roadkill (~mikep@169.207.150.18) |
| 18:24.06 | Nidhoggr | built. |
| 18:24.18 | Nidhoggr | ftping to dragon.org |
| 18:24.27 | Nidhoggr | afk to make lunch. |
| 18:27.31 | Patlabor221 | the new mountans in the new pack do look rather nice |
| 18:28.04 | Grumbler | Patlabor221: yes they do.....and i can actually see the bricks in the experimental version which is nice.... |
| 18:29.08 | Patlabor221 | yeah it uses difrent textue coods |
| 18:29.13 | Patlabor221 | still needs some tweaks |
| 18:29.25 | Patlabor221 | the texture dosn't really repeat well over large areas |
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| 18:34.00 | [dmp] | God aften mine damer og herre :) |
| 18:34.36 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: email me a blurb to put on the homepage with the url and I'll add it. |
| 18:35.03 | TimRiker | or better yet make a BetaImages or similar wiki page and link to that. |
| 18:35.14 | TimRiker | then youy can update the wiki page any time. |
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| 18:38.33 | Patlabor221 | ok, Nidhoggr is the site admin and he spells better then I do, so I will have him type it up :) |
| 18:39.06 | Grumbler | [dmp]: god aften |
| 18:48.03 | Patlabor221 | where does one thing that file IO and Dir scaning classes would go? in media file, or in platform? |
| 18:49.00 | scanline | platform |
| 18:49.08 | scanline | one would think |
| 18:49.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah one would, but ya never know with this crowd :) |
| 18:49.32 | scanline | :) |
| 18:49.48 | Patlabor221 | best of luck, victory or death! |
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| 19:05.27 | Grumbler | Patlabor221: are you using borlands c++ 6 or microsofts discontinued visual c++ 6 |
| 19:06.23 | Patlabor221 | I use VC 7.1 |
| 19:06.31 | Patlabor221 | I have and can use VC6 |
| 19:08.23 | Patlabor221 | I have never used a borland product |
| 19:09.15 | Grumbler | 7.1 = .net |
| 19:09.18 | Grumbler | ? |
| 19:09.36 | Patlabor221 | it is part of the .net 2003 set of dev tools yes |
| 19:10.00 | Patlabor221 | but it does not imply use of the .net framework |
| 19:11.02 | Patlabor221 | why you just want to build the editor? |
| 19:11.21 | Grumbler | build/edit/modify |
| 19:11.35 | Grumbler | linux have been giving me the finger lately |
| 19:11.37 | Patlabor221 | it was built using VC6 |
| 19:15.29 | mozul | I thought of some new map ideas. |
| 19:16.22 | mozul | How about a water option for an object. It would allow tanks to pass through, but only for a specified time limit. (your air lasts only so long) |
| 19:16.37 | mozul | and the speed is cut way down when going through. |
| 19:16.41 | Nidhoggr | Tim: BetaImages page added to wiki |
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| 19:25.00 | Nidhoggr | newest builds also in dir |
| 19:25.09 | Nidhoggr | should we biff old ones when we put new ones in? |
| 19:26.08 | Patlabor221 | no reason to keep more then the last 1 or 2 |
| 19:26.19 | Nidhoggr | I'll leave last set in then. |
| 19:26.37 | Patlabor221 | people who are doing regresions will allmost allways be devs and doing there own building with CVS |
| 19:26.42 | Nidhoggr | what is image in screens dir from? |
| 19:26.50 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
| 19:27.01 | Patlabor221 | ohh just a sample I made once |
| 19:27.04 | Patlabor221 | you can remove it |
| 19:27.13 | Nidhoggr | the grass looks really nice. |
| 19:27.38 | Patlabor221 | it is better, still has a dark spot, but it's geting there |
| 19:27.44 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 19:27.49 | Nidhoggr | I still like scipio's bricks. |
| 19:28.00 | Nidhoggr | I should probably try to edit it and fix the spot |
| 19:28.14 | Patlabor221 | they were a bit bright for me |
| 19:28.17 | Patlabor221 | but try them |
| 19:28.25 | Patlabor221 | they may look better with the new texture repeats |
| 19:28.33 | Nidhoggr | the current hires stuff is too light for me. |
| 19:28.39 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 19:28.45 | Nidhoggr | the contrast between walls and pyramids is too close. |
| 19:29.07 | Patlabor221 | well give it a shot |
| 19:29.07 | Patlabor221 | they are just images |
| 19:29.11 | Nidhoggr | I'll play with it after the hockey game tonight. :) |
| 19:29.38 | Nidhoggr | in QWEST's luxury box. :) |
| 19:30.12 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 19:30.47 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: say hello to gretzky for me |
| 19:30.57 | Nidhoggr | if I see him, I will. :) |
| 19:31.09 | Nidhoggr | I'll scream "GRUMBLER SAYS HI WAYNE" |
| 19:31.12 | Nidhoggr | or I'll bring a sign. |
| 19:31.13 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 19:31.37 | Grumbler | haha.......tell him he needs to recruit more players out of Clarkson University while you are at it |
| 19:32.02 | Nidhoggr | new stadium is WAY out there for me. |
| 19:32.48 | Nidhoggr | luxury box is as dead center as you can get in this venue. |
| 19:33.12 | Nidhoggr | my favorite hockey cheer is "STEP ON HIS NECK!" |
| 19:34.21 | Grumbler | my fav is "Find a rope, find a tree, hang the f*****ing refreee".........its a little vulgar, but i learned it in college while drunk |
| 19:34.36 | Nidhoggr | heh. |
| 19:34.52 | Grumbler | but the bast**d ref gave cornell the game............ |
| 19:34.53 | Nidhoggr | I almost got hit by a puck once. scared the daylights out of me. |
| 19:35.01 | Nidhoggr | it sailed over the glass. |
| 19:35.30 | Grumbler | college had nets for years(10+) before professional went the same route........................ |
| 19:35.46 | Grumbler | .....even so we did have a prof get whacked near middle ice |
| 19:35.57 | Nidhoggr | ow. |
| 19:36.06 | Nidhoggr | some kid got put in the hospital a few years ago here. |
| 19:36.09 | Nidhoggr | we saw it happen. |
| 19:36.26 | Grumbler | Patlabor221: maybe you should play less goal tender |
| 19:36.43 | Patlabor221 | I did, I quit playing goalie |
| 19:36.54 | Patlabor221 | played goalie one game sans goalie pads too |
| 19:37.03 | Patlabor221 | cus our 'tender flaked on us |
| 19:37.10 | Patlabor221 | that day hurt |
| 19:37.22 | Grumbler | not good |
| 19:37.31 | Grumbler | a checking league? |
| 19:37.47 | Nidhoggr | you should take up curling. a lot safer. |
| 19:37.49 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:37.57 | Patlabor221 | well it wasn't suposed to be a checking leauge |
| 19:38.00 | Nidhoggr | they have a curling league here. |
| 19:38.02 | Patlabor221 | but you could get away with some |
| 19:38.17 | Patlabor221 | fliped a dude over the goal once :) |
| 19:38.23 | Patlabor221 | judo hockey :) |
| 19:38.34 | Grumbler | haha.......anyone get put in the box |
| 19:38.43 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 19:38.46 | Patlabor221 | was his fault |
| 19:38.49 | Patlabor221 | he was comin at me |
| 19:39.01 | Patlabor221 | I just "deflected" him |
| 19:39.12 | Patlabor221 | so just looked like a collision |
| 19:39.20 | Patlabor221 | he just ended up on the back of the net |
| 19:39.21 | Grumbler | haha |
| 19:39.23 | Patlabor221 | and me on my ass |
| 19:40.00 | Patlabor221 | goalie pads are heavy |
| 19:40.04 | Patlabor221 | I just got mine back |
| 19:40.12 | Grumbler | yep |
| 19:41.15 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 19:44.31 | mozul | I get some video artifacts in the latest build in the shadows when following a player in observer mode. Is this because I have a lousy video card or a bug? |
| 19:44.38 | Patlabor221 | should get some tarbals and 'thoshies in there |
| 19:44.47 | Patlabor221 | what card you have? |
| 19:44.50 | Nidhoggr | was that from the build I just put up, mozul? |
| 19:45.02 | mozul | yes the current build you just put up |
| 19:45.06 | Nidhoggr | ok |
| 19:45.09 | mozul | i think the card is an elisa? |
| 19:45.21 | Patlabor221 | don't you have an ATI something |
| 19:45.28 | mozul | how can I find the card designation on win2k? |
| 19:45.29 | Patlabor221 | like that rage fury |
| 19:45.37 | Patlabor221 | right click on the desktop |
| 19:45.39 | Patlabor221 | properties |
| 19:45.41 | Nidhoggr | right click on background and go to properties |
| 19:45.45 | Nidhoggr | then advanced. :) |
| 19:45.50 | Nidhoggr | err settings |
| 19:45.52 | Patlabor221 | no then settings |
| 19:45.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah then advanced |
| 19:46.00 | Patlabor221 | then adapter |
| 19:46.03 | Nidhoggr | you a slow typer meester jeffm |
| 19:46.04 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 19:46.09 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:46.13 | Patlabor221 | yes I am |
| 19:46.17 | mozul | ELSA GLoria II Pro |
| 19:46.18 | Patlabor221 | when I am working too |
| 19:46.30 | mozul | CHip Type Quadro |
| 19:46.30 | Patlabor221 | hmmm a 3dlabs chipset |
| 19:46.36 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhh |
| 19:46.39 | Patlabor221 | a quady |
| 19:46.41 | Patlabor221 | should be fine |
| 19:46.44 | Patlabor221 | what drivers you running? |
| 19:46.45 | mozul | 64 MB |
| 19:47.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah we had some quadro ref boards from nvidia they are phat GF1s |
| 19:47.14 | mozul | NVIDIA 6.5.0.0 |
| 19:47.31 | Patlabor221 | those the ones that came with 2k? |
| 19:47.38 | mozul | i suspect |
| 19:47.45 | Patlabor221 | replace them |
| 19:47.48 | Patlabor221 | with ones that don't suck |
| 19:47.55 | Nidhoggr | If I can remember, I'll try to update BetaImages every day if something changes in cvs. |
| 19:47.59 | Patlabor221 | you probably don't stiple right |
| 19:48.25 | Patlabor221 | http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_53.03 |
| 19:48.33 | Patlabor221 | those should be fine for all nvidias |
| 19:48.47 | Nidhoggr | it's cool to have people around that know about graphics cards, etc. |
| 19:49.49 | Patlabor221 | well when you make games ya gotta have some knoweldge of them, I'm afraid they arn't a fad, they arn't going away :) |
| 19:51.04 | Patlabor221 | I rememember "back in the day"(tm) when people were saying that these 3d cards would never stay, cus noone could commit to an API that would do it, and CPUs would allways be better |
| 19:51.16 | Patlabor221 | and OpenGL was slow and noone would ever use it for games. |
| 19:51.30 | Patlabor221 | then that skinny guy made quake |
| 19:53.52 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 20:01.07 | Pimpinella | ~d |
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| 20:07.07 | fiberchunks | greetings and salutations |
| 20:08.01 | fiberchunks | a puppy on one's lap makes for a happy one :) |
| 20:08.38 | Nidhoggr | hi mister fiberchunks. :) |
| 20:11.58 | Grumbler | haha |
| 20:12.12 | Nidhoggr | patlabor: the bricks in the experimental screenshots look great. |
| 20:13.02 | Grumbler | great minds think alike...hahahaha |
| 20:13.30 | Nidhoggr | those textures are excellent. |
| 20:13.37 | Nidhoggr | how are they for play? |
| 20:14.14 | Nidhoggr | the pyramids look like they are made of sodalite. |
| 20:14.15 | Nidhoggr | nice. |
| 20:15.16 | Noodleman | they'll take a little bit of getting used to tho |
| 20:15.29 | Noodleman | after about 3 years playing with the old ones |
| 20:15.30 | Nidhoggr | do you have a current downloadable set of images for the experimental setting, pat? |
| 20:15.32 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:16.48 | Nidhoggr | the alternate ones are nice, but the experimental screen shots are really awesome. |
| 20:17.24 | mozul | the new drivers made no difference |
| 20:19.17 | Nidhoggr | that first screenshot makes me want to stick up a helix map on one of my serverse. |
| 20:19.25 | Nidhoggr | mozul :( |
| 20:19.41 | Nidhoggr | unfortunately, i can't test it from work. |
| 20:20.01 | mozul | it still plays fine, just when I go over shadowed grass, it gets black shapes on it. |
| 20:20.15 | Nidhoggr | wierd. |
| 20:20.24 | Nidhoggr | I'll look at my install when i get home, and see if mine does it, too. |
| 20:20.44 | Nidhoggr | well, I'm not going straight home today. hockey first. :) |
| 20:20.54 | mozul | it is best seen while following someone on the secretplace map where they go under the central area. |
| 20:21.03 | Noodleman | hockey? arizona? |
| 20:21.07 | Noodleman | that's funny :-) |
| 20:24.21 | Grumbler | there is nothing funny about hockey.........except when they have guppy league kids play between periods :) |
| 20:25.39 | *** part/#bzflag Rubin (~rubin@irc.oregonstate.edu) |
| 20:27.31 | Grumbler | ~google great white sea |
| 20:27.46 | Grumbler | ~google great big sea |
| 20:27.46 | fiberchunks | "put us in coach, put us in!" |
| 20:27.58 | fiberchunks | "you got the foil on, eh?" |
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| 20:37.57 | Nidhoggr | who would you say is the strongest bz player you know ? |
| 20:38.54 | Noodleman | me! |
| 20:38.57 | Noodleman | pffft |
| 20:39.13 | Grumbler | past or present? |
| 20:39.22 | Nidhoggr | present |
| 20:40.28 | Grumbler | hmmm, hard to say.......since Razz has not been playing lately............he owned me....................there really isn't a player who i can say stands above the rest |
| 20:41.26 | Nidhoggr | trying to find someone who consistantly has a very good score to compare another person's stats to. |
| 20:41.39 | Grumbler | on secretplace? |
| 20:41.44 | Nidhoggr | anywhere. |
| 20:42.02 | Grumbler | C++/Harmless(total score)/hmmmmm |
| 20:42.08 | SportChick | you trying to test trojan? |
| 20:43.10 | Nidhoggr | wow. harmless is good. |
| 20:43.12 | Noodleman | a guy named fixedmr has a high score of 600 and a high strength index of 276.9 |
| 20:43.15 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 20:43.17 | Nidhoggr | sportchick :-P |
| 20:43.22 | Noodleman | he's been up there for a while |
| 20:43.22 | Nidhoggr | trying to keep this quiet. :) |
| 20:43.36 | Nidhoggr | high score of 1810! |
| 20:43.37 | Nidhoggr | wow. |
| 20:43.39 | Grumbler | Noodleman: what servers does he run on |
| 20:43.55 | Noodleman | fixedmr? never seen him |
| 20:44.02 | Noodleman | but stats.bzflag.org has :-) |
| 20:44.20 | Grumbler | ditto.......wonder if he is running on a bot server late night/early morning |
| 20:44.33 | Noodleman | maybe |
| 20:44.44 | Noodleman | but, yeah, harmless is good |
| 20:44.48 | Noodleman | i've seen him pay |
| 20:44.52 | Noodleman | play |
| 20:45.06 | Grumbler | yep......but i have his number :) |
| 20:45.36 | Grumbler | we usually end up in an unspoken challenge on secretplace........both trying to dislodge the other |
| 20:46.09 | Noodleman | haha |
| 20:47.15 | Grumbler | time to go home and drink |
| 20:47.24 | Noodleman | *glurp* |
| 20:47.45 | Grumbler | glup? |
| 20:47.51 | Grumbler | or gulp |
| 20:47.53 | Noodleman | no, *glurp* |
| 20:47.58 | Grumbler | or glub glub |
| 20:48.03 | Noodleman | there's a difference |
| 20:48.12 | Grumbler | ? |
| 20:48.16 | Noodleman | it's a combination of all those things |
| 20:48.18 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 20:48.48 | Grumbler | ahh.....well i have to drink 4 liters worth......whats that |
| 20:49.00 | Grumbler | a glub or a glurp |
| 20:49.03 | Noodleman | *boom* |
| 20:49.15 | Grumbler | not that type of drink |
| 20:49.21 | Noodleman | i'm glad i don't have to scrape your intestines from the wall |
| 20:49.33 | yoyox | ~seen Quol |
| 20:49.38 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 19h 46m 2s ago, saying: 'anyone know where that badwords file is kept?'. |
| 20:49.38 | Chestal | hmm, Observes getkicked for high lag |
| 20:49.41 | Chestal | guess that's not intented |
| 20:49.41 | Grumbler | no, but someone will tomorrow.....have fun all |
| 20:49.43 | yoyox | Hello Chestal. |
| 20:51.08 | Nidhoggr | hopefully it's reasonable and not too accusatory. |
| 20:54.35 | CIA-4 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don'tkick Observers for lagging |
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| 21:05.41 | larsl | ~weather essb |
| 21:05.51 | larsl | Brr. |
| 21:06.07 | Nidhoggr | that's probably a good change to implement sooner than later. :) |
| 21:11.47 | larsl | When I start bzflag now the window isn't shaded even though the menu is open, is that intended? |
| 21:12.02 | larsl | The text edges look strange. |
| 21:12.34 | JBdiGriz | Maybe you need glasses? |
| 21:14.44 | larsl | Hm, no - the window is shaded if I exit the menu and then enter it again. |
| 21:15.14 | larsl | And I do need glasses, but I'm wearing them. =) |
| 21:15.20 | JBdiGriz | :) |
| 21:15.33 | JBdiGriz | or 8) |
| 21:15.44 | larsl | Looks like it's only shaded when I'm in a game and bring up the menu. |
| 21:23.05 | Nidhoggr | larsl.. exporting that environment variable didn't build bzfs static. |
| 21:23.12 | larsl | OK. |
| 21:23.26 | Nidhoggr | the only thing i really need static is bzfs, too. |
| 21:23.34 | Nidhoggr | since it runs in chroot jail. |
| 21:24.58 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/BUGS: Added window shade bug |
| 21:37.36 | bryjen | larsl: i'd noticed the menu being harder to read. didn't realize it was the shading. |
| 21:38.36 | larsl | When I run bzflag from a few days ago, it starts shaded. So the bug must be fairly recent. |
| 21:45.33 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Respect the user's LDFLAGS variable in configure |
| 21:46.08 | larsl | Nidhoggr: That change makes configure propagate the LDFLAGS env var to the makefiles. Some warning messages from gcc indicates that you still need libc.so though. |
| 21:46.22 | Nidhoggr | will it add those to current ldflags, or replace? |
| 21:46.27 | larsl | Add. |
| 21:46.30 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 21:47.11 | larsl | Oops, looks like I committed another change too... that wasn't intended. |
| 21:49.43 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Grumbler@pool-162-84-20-38.sal.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:49.47 | larsl | But I suppose it can go in anyway. =) |
| 21:49.47 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 21:52.26 | TimRiker | hmm. might be nice to kick observers, but never kick admins. |
| 21:55.37 | Patlabor221 | sice it's now posible to change a player from hunter to rabbit and vice versa, is it posible to change somone to/from a player to an obeserver? |
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| 22:00.09 | captain_proton | ooh, branchination |
| 22:00.40 | Patlabor221 | localy |
| 22:00.48 | Nidhoggr | it'd be nice to be able to switch to observer mode, but not loose your score for when you switch back. |
| 22:00.58 | Nidhoggr | so admins can play and not loose score |
| 22:01.26 | Nidhoggr | what was other change, larsl? :) |
| 22:01.54 | larsl | Nidhoggr: A cleanup of the way bzadmin handles different curses implementations. No visible changes. |
| 22:02.02 | Nidhoggr | ah, cool. |
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| 22:02.13 | larsl | Unless it stops working somewhere, that's visible I suppose. |
| 22:02.28 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:02.59 | Patlabor221 | I am adding the lib3D project cap |
| 22:04.01 | captain_proton | neat |
| 22:04.18 | Patlabor221 | then I shall change texture manager |
| 22:04.27 | Patlabor221 | add 3d math and matrix classes |
| 22:04.36 | Patlabor221 | then add the glList manager |
| 22:04.42 | Patlabor221 | then work on the drawables manager |
| 22:05.06 | Patlabor221 | and then the high level render object class |
| 22:05.19 | Patlabor221 | still need a better name for that |
| 22:05.22 | larsl | Does this mean no direct gl calls in the app code? |
| 22:05.37 | captain_proton | larsl: with any luck |
| 22:05.46 | Patlabor221 | no, the drawables will still call GL |
| 22:05.50 | Patlabor221 | but not in the "game" part |
| 22:05.59 | Patlabor221 | make it easyer to detach |
| 22:10.09 | larsl | Colors are weird in XCurses. |
| 22:11.00 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (CursesUI.cxx curses_wrapper.h): XCurses don't have color -1 defined as 'current color', set it to standard colors |
| 22:18.28 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I wonder if a server where you are required to register, and verify an email address, would actually be very popular. |
| 22:19.39 | larsl | If you started doing it on secretplace many people probably would register. |
| 22:19.47 | larsl | Hotmail addresses aren't hard to get. |
| 22:20.11 | Nidhoggr | I was thinking of a seperate process, where you can't /register on the server, but via a web page, where it validated your email. |
| 22:20.29 | Nidhoggr | added you to the end of the users file, and sent a bot to /reload |
| 22:21.26 | Nidhoggr | the thought has crossed my mind with secretplace, but I'm not ready to make it non-public yet. |
| 22:21.48 | Nidhoggr | if ever :) |
| 22:22.15 | Nidhoggr | or just do a private, invite only, server. |
| 22:24.48 | larsl | Something you could do is to force people to /register on secretplace. |
| 22:24.58 | larsl | That way voting would be much more effective. |
| 22:26.41 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 22:26.47 | Nidhoggr | that's not a bad idea. |
| 22:26.58 | Nidhoggr | how would you force a register? |
| 22:27.14 | larsl | put REQUIREIDENTIFY in DEFAULT I think. |
| 22:27.19 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 22:27.24 | Nidhoggr | true. |
| 22:27.27 | larsl | Or maybe not... that might only apply to registered tanks anyway. |
| 22:27.44 | Nidhoggr | REGISTERED is a group. |
| 22:28.03 | Nidhoggr | so you can't be part of REGISTRED unless you are identified. |
| 22:28.08 | Nidhoggr | so it should work that way. |
| 22:28.49 | larsl | But I think it looks in the database to see if that callsign has an entry. |
| 22:29.09 | larsl | Yep, it does. |
| 22:29.22 | larsl | So unregistered tanks would still be allowed to play. |
| 22:29.27 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 22:29.40 | Nidhoggr | probably easy enough to fix. |
| 22:29.52 | larsl | We should change it to a SPAWN permission. =) |
| 22:29.58 | Nidhoggr | I totally agree. |
| 22:30.17 | Nidhoggr | the way REQUIREIDENTIFY works is to kick, though. |
| 22:30.26 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (~rooot@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 22:30.28 | Nidhoggr | so as long as that was consistant. |
| 22:31.14 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: fixedTime set by options |
| 22:31.44 | larsl | It shouldn't have to kick anymore, now that the server sends the spawn position. It could simply not send a spawn position, giving the player the opportunity to register and identify. |
| 22:32.10 | Nidhoggr | true. |
| 22:32.50 | Chestal | I am not sure whether the client will send more than one respawn request,though |
| 22:33.00 | larsl | Hm, that's true. |
| 22:33.19 | Pimpinella | g'nite |
| 22:36.26 | *** part/#bzflag yoyox (~yoyox@65.39.216.149) |
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| 22:48.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_proton] by ChanServ |
| 22:49.42 | *** mode/#bzflag [+e AScomp!andy@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by captain_proton |
| 22:50.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [-e AScomp!andy@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by captain_proton |
| 22:50.26 | *** mode/#bzflag [+e AScomp!*andy@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by captain_proton |
| 22:50.50 | captain_proton | larsl: probably not :P |
| 22:50.52 | *** join/#bzflag AScomp (~andy@p508AA04F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:50.58 | AScomp | now it worked ;-) |
| 22:51.02 | AScomp | thanks proton |
| 22:51.16 | captain_proton | np |
| 22:51.25 | larsl | When was the last time he was here? 4-5 months ago? |
| 22:51.52 | captain_proton | larsl: maybe 3? at any rate, he seems to show up a day or three after the ban is removed (every time) |
| 22:52.05 | AScomp | snow are you in? do you have another nick? :-) |
| 22:52.34 | AScomp | ahh sorry, it's trojan |
| 22:53.04 | AScomp | k thanks |
| 22:54.13 | AScomp | heia yoyox :-) |
| 22:54.58 | AScomp | hmm i think i should update my client... what programs do you use for irc? |
| 22:55.49 | yoyox | AScomp: Hello |
| 22:56.18 | AScomp | trojan here, we played lots of times, i think in razzberrys world e.g. |
| 22:56.27 | AScomp | or decks? hmm |
| 22:56.41 | Nidhoggr | ascomp: you're trojan? |
| 22:56.55 | AScomp | yes nid, i am |
| 22:56.57 | Nidhoggr | hi |
| 22:57.09 | [dmp] | AScomp: xchat (linux/win) or mirc (win) |
| 22:57.15 | Nidhoggr | <--- is slow sometimes. |
| 22:57.20 | AScomp | thx dmp, i'm using mirc, too |
| 22:57.20 | Nidhoggr | comes with age. |
| 22:57.28 | AScomp | lol, how old are you? |
| 22:57.32 | Nidhoggr | 42 |
| 22:57.39 | AScomp | happens ;-)) |
| 22:57.54 | Nidhoggr | not quite as old as MrApathyCream though. :) he's REALLY slow. ;) |
| 22:58.22 | AScomp | ohh i know him, too. just from some games. how old is he? |
| 22:58.32 | JBdiGriz | Leave MrAC alone, I'll defend the AARP crowd anyday :) |
| 22:58.37 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:58.43 | Nidhoggr | speaking of AARP |
| 22:58.46 | Nidhoggr | hi JB :) |
| 22:58.53 | Nidhoggr | isn't he 60ish? |
| 22:59.04 | AScomp | uhh |
| 22:59.06 | Nidhoggr | I keep forgetting for sure. |
| 22:59.10 | JBdiGriz | he's a bit beyond that, almost 70 |
| 22:59.13 | Nidhoggr | wow. |
| 22:59.31 | JBdiGriz | but he's as spry as any bzflagger around in his tank. |
| 22:59.39 | AScomp | great. imho its great if people in this age begin to work on pcs :-) |
| 22:59.39 | [dmp] | Good night, I've bugged people enough for today. |
| 22:59.44 | Nidhoggr | and how old are you, JB? |
| 22:59.47 | captain_proton | i get the feeling he's pretty spry in general |
| 22:59.52 | AScomp | good night dmp |
| 22:59.56 | JBdiGriz | 46 |
| 23:00.02 | *** part/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@port151.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 23:00.02 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:00.15 | AScomp | brb (searching the away mode) |
| 23:00.41 | JBdiGriz | but I've been working on these machines since before PC's. I believe MrAC has also been working with machines for a long time. |
| 23:01.01 | Nidhoggr | well, it seems my mrtg for player counts is working again. |
| 23:01.42 | Nidhoggr | I started in about 1979 on hp9000 teletype and basic. |
| 23:02.19 | Nidhoggr | then moved to microcomputers pretty quickly. |
| 23:02.43 | AScomp | nid, are you a developer? |
| 23:02.59 | JBdiGriz | I started in 1975 on PDP-11's and a Burroughs 6700. Did you ever hear of the company Terak? They were located in Phoenix. |
| 23:03.20 | AScomp | me too, 22 :-)) |
| 23:03.25 | Nidhoggr | yes, but I didn't live in phoenix then. :) |
| 23:03.42 | Nidhoggr | in 79, I lived in wisconsin, in 80 moved to idaho (air force) |
| 23:04.13 | Nidhoggr | not a developer.. i do some documentation and I run some servers.. bzbb.bzflag.org is on my servers. |
| 23:04.17 | AScomp | ahh it works :-) |
| 23:04.20 | Nidhoggr | I do lots of testing :) |
| 23:04.42 | AScomp | win or linux? |
| 23:04.49 | AScomp | nor - mac - :-)) |
| 23:04.52 | Nidhoggr | we are starting a server dedicated to bzflag this month. |
| 23:04.55 | Nidhoggr | linux for server |
| 23:05.03 | Nidhoggr | windows xp for client. |
| 23:05.21 | Nidhoggr | my server is currently backordered though. :( |
| 23:05.24 | Nidhoggr | out of stock. |
| 23:05.25 | AScomp | ok... isn't it much traffic to have bz running on a server? |
| 23:05.55 | Nidhoggr | not really.. but I want to stick it on it's own machine, so I can can isolate resources to a single box. |
| 23:06.07 | Nidhoggr | and offer services from the box for developers, etc. |
| 23:07.01 | AScomp | i think mirc setup installed a virus/trojan onto my machine :-/ |
| 23:07.46 | Nidhoggr | mirc doesn't usually install trojans... it might be a good idea to scan though. |
| 23:08.09 | Nidhoggr | try www.trendmicro.com and use the housecall scan thing. it's free. |
| 23:08.13 | AScomp | i have two scanners in the background... since 5 minutes i get warnings all 30 seconds |
| 23:08.23 | Nidhoggr | nice virus scanner from the web. |
| 23:08.27 | AScomp | i'm using mcafee, its ok... |
| 23:08.31 | Nidhoggr | really? wow. |
| 23:08.39 | AScomp | why? |
| 23:08.54 | Nidhoggr | it could just be that it's detecting attempts to connect on non-standard ports? |
| 23:09.09 | AScomp | no 6667 is free... |
| 23:09.23 | Nidhoggr | what kind of warnings is mcafee giving you? |
| 23:09.27 | captain_proton | speaking of irc clients |
| 23:09.36 | AScomp | W32/Sober.c@MM - a mail worm... |
| 23:09.36 | captain_proton | i'm gonna force all you guys to give me comments on some UI mockups soonish ;) |
| 23:09.59 | Nidhoggr | sure capt. |
| 23:10.10 | AScomp | UI mockups? i am german, please explain ;-)) |
| 23:10.36 | AScomp | what is a mockup? |
| 23:10.41 | captain_proton | AScomp: a friend and i are writing a new frontend to xchat - so we're creating sample user interfaces to see what could be done to make things more intuitive |
| 23:10.42 | Nidhoggr | UI= user interface. |
| 23:10.58 | captain_proton | ~dict mockup |
| 23:11.08 | AScomp | i know ui, nid - i am a developer ;-)) - thx anyway |
| 23:11.16 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:11.19 | AScomp | ahh ok thx |
| 23:11.33 | AScomp | will it be a windows client? or linux? |
| 23:11.36 | JBdiGriz | captain_proton, have you looked at conversation and ichat? |
| 23:11.43 | captain_proton | linux |
| 23:11.49 | captain_proton | JBdiGriz: not really, screenshots welcome ;) |
| 23:12.21 | JBdiGriz | I'll put some together. there are some nice ideas there, but there's a lot of extraneous garbage as well. |
| 23:13.31 | AScomp | tell me, which download site is the most important for you us guys? cnet, tucows, zdnet...? any others? |
| 23:13.39 | captain_proton | from what i've seen, irc client UIs seem to be in the stone age (generally) |
| 23:13.50 | AScomp | at least mirc |
| 23:14.07 | AScomp | i just wanted to change to the ms dos prompt ;-)) |
| 23:14.40 | larsl | AScomp: sf. |
| 23:14.47 | AScomp | sf? |
| 23:14.52 | larsl | Oh, US guys. Never mind. |
| 23:16.16 | AScomp | this virus warnings begin to annoy me... perhaps i should start a full scan, hmm |
| 23:17.49 | AScomp | the name gonkulator just reminds me to another players name... do you know players ending with ulator or sth. like this? |
| 23:20.30 | AScomp | hmm |
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| 23:22.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
| 23:22.21 | AScomp | snoooow |
| 23:22.22 | AScomp | :-) |
| 23:22.41 | Nidhoggr | AScomp, check to see if there is a new email with attachment in your email.. that sounds like what mcafee is looking at. |
| 23:22.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi AScomp |
| 23:23.01 | AScomp | yes nid it could be the spam filter too, i am searching, thx |
| 23:23.08 | AScomp | snow, you know me :-)) |
| 23:23.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | is this torjan? |
| 23:23.41 | AScomp | no, trojan ;-)) |
| 23:23.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | man always mess that up trojan |
| 23:23.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | i meant |
| 23:23.54 | AScomp | i know :-) |
| 23:24.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | a good bz place here right? |
| 23:24.26 | AScomp | need some time to get in here, proton first had to cancel a ban for my address (?) |
| 23:24.35 | AScomp | yes, better than bz itself :-) |
| 23:24.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | hm? |
| 23:24.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | banned? |
| 23:25.10 | AScomp | i was banned out of this channel (at least it seemed like). dont know why, dont know how - I wasn't in here anytime before |
| 23:25.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | did proton remember you? i think he used to play you also on decks long tim ago |
| 23:25.34 | AScomp | i'm not sure, at least he was a nice guy ;-)) |
| 23:25.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 23:25.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | everyone here is nice |
| 23:25.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | when they are not grouchy :p |
| 23:25.54 | AScomp | lol |
| 23:26.21 | AScomp | i know some of the people in here, but i think they dont know me ;-)) |
| 23:26.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 23:26.42 | AScomp | btw: does legolas still play bz? |
| 23:26.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | bryjen may know you also |
| 23:26.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | i have not seen lego in sometime |
| 23:26.59 | AScomp | yes i canremember |
| 23:27.07 | bryjen | there is a generic ban to catch an unplesant individual with dynamic IP address. cap probly made an exception for you |
| 23:27.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | maybe a name change for lego i do not know |
| 23:27.24 | AScomp | thx bryjen, hi btw ;-) |
| 23:27.31 | bryjen | hi |
| 23:27.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | bryjen runs nice maps and is very tough player torjan |
| 23:27.54 | AScomp | do you know reiner? i played sometimes with him, but didn't see him since months (ok, i didn't play bz for months, but...) |
| 23:28.02 | sn0w_m0nkey | watch for his servers with nice maps |
| 23:28.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | trojan* sorry |
| 23:28.23 | captain_proton | sn0w_m0nkey: no, i don't remember him, but he didn't sound like cell |
| 23:28.23 | AScomp | no i already uninstalled bz, just wanted to look in here for you ;-) |
| 23:28.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | man.. |
| 23:28.42 | AScomp | Trojan... |
| 23:28.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | trojan used to work us over in early decks days and madcity on cell server |
| 23:29.16 | AScomp | work you over? i cant remember :-) |
| 23:29.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | well...you were not half bad hehe |
| 23:29.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | i had trouble with you on turkey though :) |
| 23:29.46 | AScomp | but snow i remember a very cool server... we played with razzberry and -spiff-. |
| 23:30.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | razzberry stopped his server, aswell as turkey |
| 23:30.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | they are both gone :( |
| 23:30.24 | AScomp | yes unfortunately :-( |
| 23:30.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | so you will quit bz for sometime again? |
| 23:30.42 | AScomp | he played yesterday on a ctf server, but i'm not sure if he was it for real |
| 23:30.48 | AScomp | yes snow |
| 23:30.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | yes, i hardly see razzberry also |
| 23:31.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | well i hang around here sometimes |
| 23:31.13 | AScomp | hmm yes but most times he has a bad score, so... hmm ;-) |
| 23:31.14 | sn0w_m0nkey | don't be a stranger |
| 23:31.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | i think you will start playing again though :) |
| 23:32.24 | AScomp | in some months, perhaps... the game itself is great, but.. you know |
| 23:32.53 | AScomp | how can i change my nick in here? |
| 23:32.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah..i still get the same words from players. |
| 23:32.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | :) |
| 23:33.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | "/nick newname" |
| 23:33.13 | AScomp | nthx |
| 23:33.14 | sn0w_m0nkey | i think |
| 23:33.20 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahh |
| 23:33.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | howdy proton btw |
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| 23:34.07 | captain_proton | hiya |
| 23:34.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | well its time for me to go home now |
| 23:34.28 | sussudio | is a savage 4 extreme a good card for bzflag? |
| 23:34.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | maybe we play again someday Trojan ok? |
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| 23:41.55 | AScomp | bye nid, bye all - have fun and be fair |
| 23:42.03 | Nidhoggr | later :) take care |
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| 23:42.30 | AScomp | there's no later, you know - but perhaps we'll see us in some months again, c ya |
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