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| 00:04.30 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
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| 00:08.28 | Grumbler | note all, when you have both -rabbit and -c, the server gets all befuddled, but does not quit |
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| 00:18.45 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
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| 00:26.02 | creeperz | how bout a "you can't drop this flag" flag |
| 00:26.10 | creeperz | no effects |
| 00:26.18 | creeperz | just cant pick up other fklags |
| 00:28.30 | triclops_pb | useless? |
| 00:28.41 | triclops_pb | but bad |
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| 00:32.32 | MrApathyCream | Grumbler: ok |
| 00:34.45 | MrApathyCream | Capture the flag incompatible with Rabbit Chase |
| 00:34.45 | MrApathyCream | Capture the flag assumed |
| 00:39.41 | Tupone | gnite all |
| 00:39.57 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 00:42.42 | Grumbler | MrApathyCream, thats what i thought, but the server does not sign onto the list server properly, and you cant log in |
| 00:42.56 | Grumbler | unless you just made those fixes |
| 00:46.41 | MrApathyCream | no changesd |
| 00:46.52 | MrApathyCream | i'd be surprised if the two were tied tho |
| 00:47.18 | Grumbler | ok, then there is a small bug there somewhere, but it is probably a really low priority....since it takes a mistake to have it show up |
| 00:55.15 | Noodleman | Grumbler: http://stats.bzflag.org/maps/ |
| 01:00.05 | creeperz | oops |
| 01:00.22 | creeperz | noodleman: yu musta slipped and hit the "Ban" button ;-) |
| 01:01.04 | Noodleman | creeperz: i didn't slip :-P |
| 01:01.08 | Noodleman | you can rejoin |
| 01:01.09 | creeperz | lol |
| 01:06.11 | Grumbler | Noodleman, dont suppose you could zip all those.....so i could download a single file?...????.....please.....purty please :) |
| 01:06.35 | Grumbler | Apathy world is just nuts |
| 01:07.01 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 01:08.16 | creeperz | MAC: give me voice! |
| 01:08.22 | MrApathyCream | huh? |
| 01:08.31 | creeperz | voice |
| 01:08.33 | creeperz | +v |
| 01:08.34 | captain_proton | why? |
| 01:08.39 | creeperz | i dunno |
| 01:08.49 | captain_proton | we don't moderate this channel |
| 01:08.53 | captain_proton | voice is pointless |
| 01:09.00 | creeperz | ah :-( |
| 01:12.27 | MrApathyCream | no cvs is like losing your wallet |
| 01:12.36 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 01:17.39 | Grumbler | look what it did to learner.....he is now drug dependant....... |
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| 01:27.55 | bryjen | ping MrApathyCream |
| 01:29.46 | bryjen | anyone else seeing the field-of-view V in the radar being covered up by the buildings? |
| 01:31.25 | SportChick | Nid? |
| 01:31.27 | Grumbler | bryjen, what version.....and did you turn depth buffer on/off |
| 01:31.32 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 01:31.52 | SportChick | you don't want people using trolling names on secretplace? or is it ok? |
| 01:32.02 | bryjen | just got it from cappy's snapshots. but i think its been the last few days |
| 01:32.04 | Nidhoggr | what is the name? |
| 01:32.06 | Grumbler | trolling name? |
| 01:32.20 | bryjen | depth buffer is on |
| 01:32.22 | SportChick | gotoxyz.com or something like that |
| 01:32.46 | Grumbler | bryjen, i have been using 10.3 from pat's snapshots....not sure how they relate, but no i have not seen what you describe.... |
| 01:32.48 | SportChick | Malunk.com |
| 01:32.49 | Nidhoggr | check the website, and if it's adult, then tell them to change it. |
| 01:32.54 | SportChick | k... |
| 01:33.14 | bryjen | er, i running a recent snap, but i think its been _happening_ for the last few days.. |
| 01:33.56 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 01:34.54 | bryjen | hmm. ibot mustn't have the maxplayers sort fix like in the client. |
| 01:35.00 | Quol | I just checked out CVS now, and tried to automake it, and I get the following error: |
| 01:35.00 | Quol | src/geometry/models/Makefile.am:1: required directory src/geometry/models/tank does not exist |
| 01:35.04 | Quol | any ideas? |
| 01:35.16 | Quol | where those removed for any reason? |
| 01:35.45 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: not sure WHAT it is...can't open |
| 01:35.53 | triclops_pb | woot, anon cvs is up :-) |
| 01:36.13 | Nidhoggr | I saw it. it's just stupid. not adult, as far as I could tell. |
| 01:36.28 | Nidhoggr | was really slow to load flash stuff. |
| 01:36.47 | SportChick | k |
| 01:38.11 | Grumbler | err...and models |
| 01:38.12 | triclops_pb | Quol: Pat reworked the tank models last night |
| 01:38.46 | SportChick | WEIRD...I just got kicked for idling too long when I was in the middle of play |
| 01:39.12 | Nidhoggr | a few people have reported that |
| 01:39.44 | Quol | ahh - that explains it - I will take a look around - I see hi|med|low tank dir's now, I guess one can choose which one is needed and go from there... |
| 01:39.56 | MrApathyCream | quol new directory |
| 01:40.07 | MrApathyCream | need to do a co when cvs comes back up |
| 01:40.31 | MrApathyCream | quol hi|med|lo are no longer valid |
| 01:40.52 | Quol | I think's it's back up, I just did an update, and that's when the new changes hit and the auto stuff fails,.. |
| 01:41.00 | Quol | err - really |
| 01:41.13 | MrApathyCream | huh |
| 01:41.17 | MrApathyCream | i still get network errors |
| 01:41.33 | triclops_pb | maybe dev access isn't back |
| 01:41.55 | Quol | no - I just did cvs update and got the regular responses |
| 01:42.02 | Quol | cvs server: Updating . |
| 01:42.02 | Quol | cvs server: Updating admin |
| 01:42.02 | Quol | cvs server: Updating bzflag |
| 01:42.02 | Quol | cvs server: Updating bzflag/docs |
| 01:42.02 | Quol | cvs server: Updating bzflag/docs/en |
| 01:42.03 | Quol | cvs server: Updating bzflag/templates |
| 01:42.05 | Quol | cvs server: Updating bzwtransform |
| 01:42.07 | Quol | cvs server: Updating configs |
| 01:42.09 | Quol | cvs server: Updating data |
| 01:42.11 | Quol | .... |
| 01:42.15 | triclops_pb | oh well |
| 01:42.55 | MrApathyCream | ( 2004-01-16 11:31:58 - Project CVS Service ) Developer CVS access will be down for about 10 hours on Sunday January 18, 2004 starting at noon. This is to facilitate moving the developer CVS services onto the same servers that host pserver based CVS services. There is no downtime anticipated for pserver (anonymous) CVS access during that time period. |
| 01:43.16 | MrApathyCream | Quol: are you accessing via anon? |
| 01:43.20 | Quol | ahh - I am using anon |
| 01:43.29 | MrApathyCream | ok, anon is working |
| 01:43.35 | MrApathyCream | (but behind) |
| 01:43.44 | Quol | that's why - so I guess the dev CVS hasn't updated anon cvs yet |
| 01:44.01 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 01:44.10 | Quol | ok- I will wait until tomorrow to build my new server... |
| 01:49.23 | dayquil_junkie | hrm.. so mac, we releasing tonight after cvs comes back up or tomorrow? :) |
| 01:50.18 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 01:51.00 | MrApathyCream | w00t! |
| 01:51.57 | triclops_pb | Quol: i managed to build anon cvs |
| 01:52.23 | MrApathyCream | so cvs is coming back 3am est? |
| 01:52.37 | MrApathyCream | better double up on the dayquil |
| 01:52.40 | bryjen | last snap was midday today. nothing pending after that? |
| 01:53.31 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen CIA-4? |
| 01:53.41 | | cia-4 is currently on #bzflag (5h 37m 57s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 4h 55m 32s |
| 01:54.21 | MrApathyCream | no updates for 5 hours |
| 01:54.29 | bryjen | uhh, if you couldn't commit (dev cvs down), how cia get anything to say? |
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| 01:54.51 | MrApathyCream | that was the last thing i guess |
| 01:54.53 | fontenot | tank labels can be seen through surfaces? |
| 01:55.03 | creeperz | yes |
| 01:55.12 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 01:55.19 | creeperz | oh, earlier today i shot through a pyramid some strange howdo |
| 01:55.46 | fontenot | seems like it changes the game - like an onscreen radar |
| 01:55.56 | MrApathyCream | was the pyramid defined to be shootthru? |
| 01:55.59 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 01:56.15 | creeperz | no |
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| 01:56.28 | creeperz | it was a regular pyramid |
| 01:56.34 | creeperz | and 1 shot went through |
| 01:56.37 | creeperz | others bounced |
| 01:56.41 | fontenot | or is that only in observer mode? |
| 01:57.08 | MrApathyCream | fontenot: labels are only in observer |
| 01:57.08 | bryjen | there are still 2 entries in the BUGS file from the snapshot. |
| 01:57.41 | fontenot | MrApathyCream, phew! I was really concerned there for a second |
| 01:57.56 | MrApathyCream | i believe the first one is fixed |
| 01:57.58 | fontenot | I have never been in observer mode before - dunno how I got into it this time |
| 01:58.23 | bryjen | yeah. the N and O tanks rendered ok when i was playing a few minutes ago. |
| 01:59.02 | MrApathyCream | bryjen: you can checkin the changed ChangeLog if you like :) |
| 01:59.32 | bryjen | the requireid thing seems like it needs a bit more thought |
| 01:59.46 | bryjen | MrApathyCream: no dev access. even if it was up ;) |
| 01:59.56 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 02:00.03 | MrApathyCream | why no dev access? |
| 02:00.18 | MrApathyCream | you should get |
| 02:07.15 | purple_cow | MrApathyCream: they're moving dev cvs to the same server as anon |
| 02:07.27 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:07.36 | purple_cow | oh |
| 02:07.39 | purple_cow | different question |
| 02:09.16 | Grumbler | whew....that was a lot of save as garbage.... |
| 02:09.35 | Grumbler | Noodleman, forget it....i did it the old fashion way |
| 02:09.45 | creeperz | lol |
| 02:13.49 | Grumbler | cool, bzadmin is working at home....whoohoo |
| 02:28.56 | MrApathyCream | (s) |
| 02:29.01 | creeperz | lol |
| 02:29.31 | MrApathyCream | hit em with that snot rag |
| 02:29.46 | dayquil_junkie | I'll just cough up a lung on them |
| 02:32.11 | fontenot | how does one set one's email address? |
| 02:32.18 | MrApathyCream | from the join menu :) |
| 02:32.37 | MrApathyCream | or if you have an old version, add an entry in your bzc file like |
| 02:32.42 | MrApathyCream | set email boo@hoo.com |
| 02:33.22 | fontenot | ah OK I must have too old a version |
| 02:33.56 | MrApathyCream | os? |
| 02:35.12 | fontenot | linux |
| 02:35.18 | fontenot | config file worked fine |
| 02:35.23 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 02:35.26 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 02:37.09 | fontenot | the top server in serverlist claims to have 30/9 players but when I checked only had 2 |
| 02:37.24 | fontenot | some crazy 100 shot rabbit server |
| 02:37.41 | dayquil_junkie | fontenot: it's someone abusing the list server |
| 02:38.10 | MrApathyCream | to get listed at the top |
| 02:38.22 | fontenot | arg that's what I suspected :-\ |
| 02:38.49 | Nidhoggr | the second one on the list is accurate. :) |
| 02:39.03 | MrApathyCream | :) except it banned Bunny for no reason |
| 02:39.23 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:39.23 | SportChick | hehe |
| 02:39.25 | dayquil_junkie | we just haven't been able to update the list server with a fix just yet due to a pending release |
| 02:39.45 | dayquil_junkie | Nnnnno nnnnno. |
| 02:39.46 | fontenot | second one is cool - I have been observing on it for about an hour now |
| 02:39.46 | Nidhoggr | ow ;( |
| 02:40.08 | Nidhoggr | it gets pretty full. when houseguests leave, I'll hop on dragon.org, though. |
| 02:40.29 | SportChick | figures it would be AFTER hubby got home so I can't steal his computer again |
| 02:40.37 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:40.42 | SportChick | L( |
| 02:40.44 | SportChick | :( |
| 02:40.47 | SportChick | can't type tonight |
| 02:40.48 | dayquil_junkie | i wonder if tim updated the list server to the one that checks the origination address.. |
| 02:41.01 | Nidhoggr | I think he did |
| 02:41.07 | Nidhoggr | pretty sure |
| 02:46.00 | dayquil_junkie | indeed it apparently does.. |
| 02:47.24 | dayquil_junkie | so then it just needs a banlist added internally.. |
| 02:47.35 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 02:52.00 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:52.53 | MrApathyCream | if you stare, it will change quicker |
| 02:53.20 | Nidhoggr | a watched script doesn't change |
| 02:53.20 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:54.45 | SportChick | Nidhoggr, more filtered words on sp, but I don't know what they are saying (it's admins it is filtering) |
| 02:55.31 | Nidhoggr | no one is swearing |
| 02:55.57 | SportChick | I know..I'm just wondering what got filtered and why |
| 02:56.06 | dayquil_junkie | i need to dumb a marker to the log when if makes a match, so you can tell in the log what was filtered |
| 02:56.25 | dayquil_junkie | though I'm almost done with the localization, which should solve most of the false positives |
| 02:56.35 | Nidhoggr | it's not something I can watch unless you keep a log of what is filtered, and I can compare it |
| 02:57.12 | dayquil_junkie | it'd be a marker you could just grep for in the standard output |
| 02:57.28 | SportChick | it filtered "she is" |
| 02:57.35 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. use /report filter broke here. |
| 02:57.38 | Nidhoggr | or similar |
| 02:57.42 | Nidhoggr | and I can grep for it. |
| 02:57.50 | Nidhoggr | and cut lines before it and test |
| 02:58.04 | dayquil_junkie | heh, i meant as part of -d -d output or something |
| 02:58.09 | SportChick | yes, it is filtering "she is" |
| 02:59.12 | dayquil_junkie | oh. heh. |
| 02:59.17 | dayquil_junkie | i know what it's matching |
| 02:59.21 | dayquil_junkie | german |
| 02:59.29 | SportChick | oh! lol |
| 02:59.39 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 02:59.40 | SportChick | but the thing is that it is spelled with 2 "s" at the end |
| 03:00.08 | dayquil_junkie | yea, that one should probably not get compressed |
| 03:00.12 | SportChick | and I think it's sch, but would have to check |
| 03:00.28 | dayquil_junkie | it is, but there are a couple spelling variations |
| 03:01.30 | SportChick | actually, it is DEFINITELy "sch", but the "s" at the end could be single or double, depending on the usage |
| 03:01.39 | MrApathyCream | heh on jackal a player has 675 |
| 03:01.46 | MrApathyCream | when he start? |
| 03:02.18 | SportChick | last month! |
| 03:03.10 | SportChick | I know a bunchof you are xchat fans...how do I get my list of people on the channel back? It disappeared |
| 03:07.08 | fontenot | is it possible to control which player one is observing? |
| 03:07.29 | Nidhoggr | f7 |
| 03:08.37 | fontenot | oops, my wm is grabbing function keys - I will try to remap |
| 03:12.01 | triclops_pb | oh |
| 03:12.08 | triclops_pb | i just figured it out SportChick |
| 03:12.22 | SportChick | cool! how? |
| 03:12.24 | triclops_pb | there is a button on the top right of your window |
| 03:12.30 | triclops_pb | an arrow me thinks |
| 03:12.34 | triclops_pb | > |
| 03:12.42 | triclops_pb | or < |
| 03:12.48 | triclops_pb | click it |
| 03:13.04 | SportChick | wwaaaaa I don't have a button! |
| 03:13.23 | SportChick | not on right, left, top or bottom |
| 03:13.31 | triclops_pb | hmm |
| 03:13.38 | triclops_pb | mac version maybe |
| 03:13.47 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (~triclops@203.219.160.62) |
| 03:13.48 | SportChick | oh! but I found it |
| 03:13.55 | SportChick | I had to do "detach tab" |
| 03:13.57 | SportChick | weird |
| 03:14.12 | triclops | cool |
| 03:14.28 | SportChick | but now my people and tabs at the BOTTOM of the window are gone |
| 03:14.49 | SportChick | someone PM me and see if they come back |
| 03:28.34 | *** part/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 03:29.17 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
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| 03:30.30 | creeperz | how do i get the current 1.10.3 source? |
| 03:30.44 | creeperz | i dont kow how to use CVS |
| 03:30.54 | MrApathyCream | uy linux? |
| 03:30.59 | creeperz | windows |
| 03:31.04 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-226-26.dialup.innercite.com) |
| 03:31.11 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/1.10.3/bzflag1.10.3.exe |
| 03:31.24 | creeperz | is that the current as of today? |
| 03:31.32 | MrApathyCream | yuppers |
| 03:31.36 | creeperz | err |
| 03:31.42 | creeperz | i just want source |
| 03:31.54 | MrApathyCream | out a luck then |
| 03:32.00 | creeperz | darn |
| 03:32.24 | purple_cow | grab a snap |
| 03:32.29 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 03:38.06 | Noodleman | ~sfsnap |
| 03:38.08 | | rumour has it, sfsnap is http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 03:44.11 | purple_cow | hmm? |
| 03:44.34 | MrApathyCream | comeon cappy, fix it, please |
| 03:44.47 | Quol | anyone know if dev CVS is back up? |
| 03:44.54 | MrApathyCream | no its not |
| 03:44.55 | Quol | and how long it will take to synch with anon? |
| 03:45.00 | Quol | ok - thanks MrApathyCream |
| 03:45.02 | MrApathyCream | it might be synced |
| 03:45.07 | MrApathyCream | it's been like 8 hours |
| 03:45.35 | Quol | MrApathyCream: no - it's not - at least it still has the hi|lo|med tank dirs - so i am guessing that it's not |
| 03:45.45 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 03:45.52 | MrApathyCream | well is there anything in those dirs |
| 03:45.58 | MrApathyCream | i don't know that the dirs were removed |
| 03:46.06 | MrApathyCream | or, is there a tank dir there? |
| 03:46.23 | Quol | no tank dir yet |
| 03:46.27 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 03:46.43 | dayquil_junkie | if you have a "Tunf off tank LOD ... " in the ChangeLog, then you are probably synced close enough (there were only a couple commits within minutes after that) |
| 03:47.12 | bryjen | Tunf! |
| 03:47.13 | MrApathyCream | tunf? |
| 03:47.16 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:47.23 | dayquil_junkie | patlaborese |
| 03:47.50 | Quol | ya - I see that |
| 03:48.32 | dayquil_junkie | Mmmm... thx |
| 03:48.39 | MrApathyCream | cherry? |
| 03:48.56 | dayquil_junkie | the pill kind now |
| 03:49.07 | bryjen | how does one set multiple team flags? |
| 03:49.10 | MrApathyCream | browsing cvs, shows the tank driectory |
| 03:49.18 | MrApathyCream | bryject -c +f team{3} |
| 03:49.30 | MrApathyCream | or, -c +f B*{2} |
| 03:49.32 | MrApathyCream | etc |
| 03:49.34 | bryjen | no more -c 3 ? |
| 03:49.37 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 03:49.39 | Quol | anon CVS MrApathyCream? |
| 03:49.41 | MrApathyCream | that space is for rent |
| 03:49.44 | MrApathyCream | quol yes |
| 03:49.48 | bryjen | its still in the Changelog |
| 03:49.48 | MrApathyCream | web interface |
| 03:49.49 | Quol | hmmm |
| 03:49.58 | Quol | I will kill it and do a fresh co and see... |
| 03:50.03 | bryjen | ah, both ways are.. |
| 03:50.04 | MrApathyCream | use a horible cheese hack to fix the horible scaling system for tanks. still use... |
| 03:50.37 | triclops_pb | cvs -dP update |
| 03:50.37 | MrApathyCream | the checkin comment |
| 03:53.12 | dayquil_junkie | well... I have a simple banlist added to the list server. |
| 03:53.16 | dayquil_junkie | just waiting now.. |
| 03:53.25 | dayquil_junkie | on the dang sf cvs |
| 03:54.01 | MrApathyCream | got 4 hours to go :( |
| 03:54.13 | dayquil_junkie | 4?! |
| 03:54.15 | dayquil_junkie | :( |
| 03:57.24 | MrApathyCream | welp time to feed the horsies |
| 03:58.26 | bryjen | a list to ban connections to the list server? |
| 03:59.33 | dayquil_junkie | yes |
| 04:10.31 | SportChick | ~seen Grumbler |
| 04:10.40 | | grumbler is currently on #bzflag (40m 56s) |
| 04:10.45 | Grumbler | ~google gtkgl-2.0 |
| 04:10.51 | SportChick | oh! I grumbler |
| 04:10.56 | Grumbler | hey sport |
| 04:11.35 | SportChick | is your server offline at the moment? |
| 04:11.46 | Grumbler | yep...temporarily....why? |
| 04:12.05 | SportChick | was looking for the addy/port # to create a bzadmin entry file for it |
| 04:12.25 | Grumbler | bzflag.galkire.net:5555 |
| 04:12.35 | SportChick | okay, thanks |
| 04:12.37 | Grumbler | np |
| 04:12.46 | dayquil_junkie | about two more hours remaining... |
| 04:16.34 | dayquil_junkie | heh |
| 04:17.53 | Nidhoggr | and hit enter |
| 04:19.06 | Nidhoggr | you can play with screen sizes in putty settings. 50x80 works well. |
| 04:19.12 | Nidhoggr | ooops |
| 04:19.39 | dayquil_junkie | yeah.. oops.. 100x50 works much better |
| 04:19.50 | Grumbler | dangit, dangit, dangit....why are rpms so hard to find.... |
| 04:19.53 | Nidhoggr | if you have a really hires monitor :) |
| 04:20.29 | dayquil_junkie | i don't think i have a terminal window open that has less than 130 lines right now |
| 04:28.00 | Grumbler | i am going to assume that somehow the req for gtkglarea2.0 is a typo or so old it has been replaced by something |
| 04:28.26 | Grumbler | anybody have an idea what replaced it? |
| 04:30.11 | MrApathyCream | dayquil_junkie: heh |
| 04:30.28 | MrApathyCream | is it a dos? |
| 04:31.02 | dayquil_junkie | a dos? |
| 04:31.06 | MrApathyCream | attack |
| 04:31.13 | dayquil_junkie | ah, hehe.. no |
| 04:31.21 | dayquil_junkie | just twice a minute |
| 04:31.37 | Grumbler | twice a minute.....almost a doc |
| 04:31.43 | Grumbler | err, doc |
| 04:31.46 | Grumbler | err, dos |
| 04:31.53 | dayquil_junkie | tries to cvs update |
| 04:32.12 | dayquil_junkie | as the machine itself is already live |
| 04:32.39 | MrApathyCream | brlcad:14246 down? |
| 04:32.51 | dayquil_junkie | probably |
| 04:32.54 | dayquil_junkie | you need it? |
| 04:32.59 | MrApathyCream | just wonderin' |
| 04:33.29 | dayquil_junkie | hrm.. it's trying but failing |
| 04:33.30 | *** join/#bzflag blt (~blt@linux-1.ece.iastate.edu) |
| 04:33.32 | blt | hiya |
| 04:33.43 | blt | anybody up? |
| 04:33.58 | dayquil_junkie | nope |
| 04:34.01 | blt | heh |
| 04:34.32 | blt | well maybe you know.. im behind a firewall (configurable for me, but a firewall nonetheless).. ive forwarded port 5154 through but i cant seem to get a server list.. any ideas? or know of a server ip I can go to? |
| 04:34.39 | dayquil_junkie | ah, hehe.. mac.. |
| 04:34.47 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@adsl-64-167-79-227.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 04:34.47 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 04:34.49 | dayquil_junkie | fails because of -c 4 .. "bad argument" |
| 04:35.16 | Patlabor221 | having fun with the stimulants still leaner? |
| 04:35.25 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 04:35.31 | dayquil_junkie | indeed |
| 04:35.37 | Patlabor221 | now you know how I was able todo all those changes |
| 04:35.56 | dayquil_junkie | i gotta, or i'd be completely bed-ridden |
| 04:36.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:36.30 | blt | anybody have any ideas as to how i might be able to get bzflag to obtain a server list properly? or where i can find a list of server ips myself? |
| 04:36.41 | Patlabor221 | what version? |
| 04:36.56 | blt | 1.10.2 |
| 04:36.59 | dayquil_junkie | browse to http://db.bzflag.org/db/ for 1.10 |
| 04:37.19 | blt | any ideas why it cant do it itself? |
| 04:37.31 | Patlabor221 | if you can get to that then BZ should be able to, unless you got a proxy or added your own list server at one point |
| 04:37.44 | blt | im having trouble accessing db.bzflag.org.. |
| 04:37.50 | dayquil_junkie | in a web browser |
| 04:37.56 | blt | i know.. |
| 04:37.58 | Patlabor221 | that's where BZ goes |
| 04:38.02 | Patlabor221 | so if you can't get there, it can't |
| 04:38.15 | blt | I can ping it, but the page doesnt come up.. |
| 04:38.16 | blt | wonder why |
| 04:38.28 | Patlabor221 | port 80 blocked for you? |
| 04:38.50 | dayquil_junkie | can you get to http://bzflag.org/ ? |
| 04:39.03 | blt | strangely, a tracert for db.bzflag.org returns my own ip.. |
| 04:39.08 | blt | yet i can go to www.bzflag.org |
| 04:39.10 | Patlabor221 | joo gots some issues |
| 04:39.28 | blt | i think nslookup is busted for me.. |
| 04:39.32 | blt | but windows resolv works. |
| 04:39.49 | Patlabor221 | your ISP having some DNS issues? |
| 04:40.15 | blt | heh, i dont know but its certainly interesting |
| 04:40.21 | Patlabor221 | ~nslookup db.bzflag.org |
| 04:40.51 | blt | i can get there |
| 04:41.05 | Patlabor221 | to db.bzflag.org? |
| 04:41.31 | blt | to the ip |
| 04:41.32 | blt | yeah |
| 04:41.46 | Patlabor221 | well tis the same IP for all his sites there |
| 04:41.51 | Patlabor221 | but you can't get to the db dns |
| 04:41.59 | Patlabor221 | need to fix that before BZ will work |
| 04:41.59 | blt | ah ha, i messed with some configs.. and i think i have dns fixed.. whacky, got some goofy things in there |
| 04:42.11 | blt | so i guess the problem was PEBKAC |
| 04:42.19 | blt | =) |
| 04:42.29 | blt | hehe how dare i consider the problem was bzflag =) |
| 04:42.38 | Patlabor221 | it could have been |
| 04:42.45 | Patlabor221 | many older versions had problems |
| 04:42.46 | blt | yay i found 32 servers =) |
| 04:42.50 | Patlabor221 | with proxys and such |
| 04:42.59 | blt | ok, im going to try and play now, thanks very very much for your patience! |
| 04:43.02 | blt | buhbye! |
| 04:45.00 | dayquil_junkie | wierd fella |
| 04:45.01 | MrApathyCream | i think Bunny is hacking bit |
| 04:45.10 | Nidhoggr | snort |
| 04:45.12 | dayquil_junkie | heh |
| 04:45.24 | Patlabor221 | rather |
| 04:45.31 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: fix sf, would ya! |
| 04:45.51 | Patlabor221 | does that seem the way a lot of people do stuff, just change things at random till things work? |
| 04:45.56 | Patlabor221 | it's down? |
| 04:46.06 | MrApathyCream | sshcvs |
| 04:46.08 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: yeah, they're moving dev cvs to the anon servers |
| 04:46.09 | MrApathyCream | down till 3am |
| 04:46.34 | triclops_pb | can someone tell me if i have a C function that requires a function as a parameter, would it be possible to give it a method from a C++ object? |
| 04:46.39 | Patlabor221 | look I can't alter time or speed up the harvest or teleport you off this rock. |
| 04:46.53 | dayquil_junkie | 3am? not 1am? 10 hours from 12noon, pst is 1am.. |
| 04:46.56 | MrApathyCream | awww |
| 04:46.58 | MrApathyCream | comeon |
| 04:47.00 | Patlabor221 | no, name mangaling will not allow that triclops |
| 04:47.01 | MrApathyCream | you da man |
| 04:47.19 | Patlabor221 | you would have to pass in the class and have the function call the method |
| 04:47.34 | triclops_pb | grr, thanks Pat. i thought as much. |
| 04:47.41 | MrApathyCream | triclops_pb: or pass a static method |
| 04:47.50 | MrApathyCream | and if the method can take an arg, pass in this as the arg |
| 04:48.27 | Patlabor221 | just make a callback base class, derive your class with the method from it, and pass the this pointer in |
| 04:48.27 | MrApathyCream | and then you can get back into the object |
| 04:48.40 | Patlabor221 | that's how I do my factories, and how the visual element and drawable item managers will work |
| 04:49.16 | triclops_pb | yeah, unfortunately i'm constrained by the way CoreAudio and bzflag are written |
| 04:49.30 | Patlabor221 | change BZ then |
| 04:49.38 | Patlabor221 | what is core audio? |
| 04:49.42 | triclops_pb | but that'd break all the other platforms |
| 04:49.55 | Patlabor221 | then change the other platforms :) |
| 04:50.06 | triclops_pb | its osx trendy audio layer |
| 04:50.11 | Quol | OK - q2.bzflag.org and quol.bzflag.org have been updated to latest CVS code for bzfs, and is running tournament servers on 59998... |
| 04:50.19 | Patlabor221 | why not use openAL? |
| 04:50.37 | purple_cow | openal has turned out to be somewhat of a dead effort =/ |
| 04:50.41 | purple_cow | openml might have what we need |
| 04:50.43 | Patlabor221 | sux |
| 04:51.01 | triclops_pb | openal would only be useful if the entire audio subsytem was rewritten |
| 04:51.30 | Patlabor221 | so rewrite it |
| 04:51.35 | Patlabor221 | it sucks as is now |
| 04:53.24 | triclops_pb | it certainly does. but i'm gonna stick with getting the Mac to use coreaudio instead of the carbon sndmanager for a bit of mac dev practice |
| 04:55.04 | Grumbler | all this for gtkglarea2.0....what a bust |
| 04:55.44 | purple_cow | heh |
| 04:56.56 | Patlabor221 | what somone trying to make linux bzedit load again? |
| 04:57.06 | purple_cow | apparently :) |
| 04:57.13 | purple_cow | you'd think they'd learn |
| 04:57.14 | Patlabor221 | has anyone but you ever done that? |
| 04:57.27 | Nidhoggr | I tried for days a while ago, and finally gave up. |
| 04:57.37 | Patlabor221 | ok, you or anyone that you presently live with |
| 04:57.40 | purple_cow | i think there have been a few |
| 04:57.51 | Patlabor221 | they should get a hat or a shirt |
| 04:57.54 | dayquil_junkie | i got close |
| 04:57.54 | Patlabor221 | at least a Pin |
| 04:57.57 | Grumbler | Patlabor221, yes me again... |
| 04:58.05 | Patlabor221 | "I got bzedit to build" |
| 04:58.06 | dayquil_junkie | i'd finish for a t-shirt ;) |
| 04:58.37 | Patlabor221 | someone should just make one that uses pybzflag's world reader thingy |
| 04:59.00 | Grumbler | and that would be |
| 04:59.12 | Patlabor221 | the thingy that pybzflag uses to read worlds |
| 04:59.21 | Patlabor221 | then they could make it plat indepenendt easy |
| 04:59.59 | Grumbler | heh, yeah, right, easy.... |
| 05:00.25 | triclops_pb | is std::queue thread safe? |
| 05:00.39 | purple_cow | all the stl stuff should be thread safe |
| 05:00.41 | Grumbler | do you still have all your teeth? |
| 05:00.42 | Patlabor221 | it should not be that hard, the editor dosn't really have that many functions |
| 05:00.53 | purple_cow | at least, the allocators should be |
| 05:01.15 | purple_cow | the sgi stl docs have a note about thread safety on things |
| 05:02.01 | Grumbler | that i know, since i can almost understand the I/O part, but the drawing part is something i have never....never dealt with |
| 05:02.05 | triclops_pb | oh well, i'll worry about it later... |
| 05:02.25 | Patlabor221 | that is why you let pybzflag do the drawing, they have the code done |
| 05:02.29 | Patlabor221 | they have a map viewer |
| 05:03.06 | Patlabor221 | I could make you a map viewer class very easaly in C if you wanted |
| 05:03.13 | purple_cow | we don't really have any widgetry |
| 05:03.17 | Grumbler | oh well, it couldnt hurt to look at the dang thing |
| 05:03.33 | Patlabor221 | does picogui not have widgets? |
| 05:03.34 | purple_cow | i wanted to do that pure-3d editor, but its very hard to think of 3d interfaces |
| 05:03.42 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: picogui is pretty dead at this point |
| 05:03.48 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 05:03.53 | Patlabor221 | just noone working on it? |
| 05:03.59 | purple_cow | because scanline has lost interest in guis |
| 05:04.00 | Patlabor221 | I thought it was a neat thing |
| 05:04.03 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 05:04.18 | purple_cow | picogui as-is has some serious architectural flaws, and scanline doesn't have the motivation to rewrite :) |
| 05:04.24 | Patlabor221 | grumbler if you want C the world class from windows BZedit is prety platform indepenentd |
| 05:04.29 | Patlabor221 | you could slap any inteface on it |
| 05:04.36 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 05:04.43 | Patlabor221 | kinda like screamers had |
| 05:04.47 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 05:04.48 | Patlabor221 | so bad you just start over |
| 05:04.56 | Patlabor221 | then you have to think "why the hell am I doing this" |
| 05:05.07 | purple_cow | yup |
| 05:05.18 | Patlabor221 | then you get drunk and wake up in the part |
| 05:05.20 | Patlabor221 | park |
| 05:05.22 | purple_cow | the new architecture scanline cooked up would be fantastic, but its also huge |
| 05:11.30 | Patlabor221 | I would not mind doing the drawing backend if soomone wanted to deal with the interface part |
| 05:11.36 | Grumbler | Patlabor221, no actually, i just want something that works.... |
| 05:11.38 | Grumbler | :) |
| 05:11.47 | Patlabor221 | then use the windows one in wine :) |
| 05:12.18 | Grumbler | can't the download anymore.....your site is kaflooy |
| 05:12.40 | Grumbler | so i figured if i was going to update the stuff.....i needed something i could compile anyway |
| 05:12.56 | Grumbler | so why not see if i can compile the linux version.....and that has lead me to this point |
| 05:13.04 | Patlabor221 | it's back now |
| 05:13.16 | Grumbler | ah |
| 05:13.18 | Patlabor221 | and I built one and put it back on dragon.org |
| 05:13.22 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: ideally a drawing backend could just use the new code from bz ;) |
| 05:13.29 | Patlabor221 | http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/bzedit/ |
| 05:13.40 | Patlabor221 | yes when it's all done |
| 05:13.40 | Patlabor221 | it could |
| 05:13.44 | Grumbler | does that have the new map i/f |
| 05:13.51 | purple_cow | no sense writing one before then |
| 05:13.52 | Patlabor221 | i/f ? |
| 05:13.58 | Grumbler | flipz, shootthrough..etc |
| 05:13.58 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: interface |
| 05:14.02 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 05:14.04 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:14.11 | Patlabor221 | there is no new interface |
| 05:14.12 | Grumbler | thats the part i want to update |
| 05:14.14 | Patlabor221 | noone write it |
| 05:14.22 | Patlabor221 | the code is in SF |
| 05:14.27 | Grumbler | i have that code |
| 05:14.28 | Patlabor221 | you get it there not my site |
| 05:14.32 | Patlabor221 | then get to updating :) |
| 05:14.40 | Grumbler | but i do not have a way to build it on windows |
| 05:14.41 | Patlabor221 | I know I hooked up part of it |
| 05:15.01 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 05:15.20 | Patlabor221 | I can look into updating that when I finish this pay job |
| 05:15.24 | Grumbler | python would be nice, because i have the activepython stuff for windows...and the normal python for linux |
| 05:15.53 | Grumbler | but if it requires more than re-fudging the i/o, i might be over my head |
| 05:16.27 | dayquil_junkie | AHA! |
| 05:16.30 | dayquil_junkie | libCio.so |
| 05:16.54 | purple_cow | yay |
| 05:17.36 | purple_cow | might be able to stick an interface on the python stuff via wxPython |
| 05:17.58 | Patlabor221 | all those irix users will love you |
| 05:18.11 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure they will be cheering in throngs |
| 05:18.53 | purple_cow | :) |
| 05:19.29 | Patlabor221 | well if a throng will fit in a minivan |
| 05:20.16 | Grumbler | the py stuff is in CVS right?.....i think i remember seeing it there |
| 05:20.26 | purple_cow | yup |
| 05:31.02 | MrApathyCream | dayquil_junkie: mind updating the world on multisample? |
| 05:31.05 | MrApathyCream | 'you've got mail' |
| 05:32.43 | Grumbler | dang nedit.org is down as well......must be the apocolapse |
| 05:33.16 | MrApathyCream | ~spell apocolapse |
| 05:33.18 | | possible spellings for apocolapse: Apocalypse apocalypse apocalypses prolapse apicals Apocalypse's apocalypse's |
| 05:33.18 | Patlabor221 | if CVS was up I'd add Tims "pasable" map flag too |
| 05:33.27 | Patlabor221 | as it dosn't require a protocoll change |
| 05:33.32 | MrApathyCream | whats that? |
| 05:33.33 | purple_cow | passable? |
| 05:33.43 | Patlabor221 | just sets both drive and shot thru |
| 05:33.48 | purple_cow | ah |
| 05:33.49 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:34.08 | Patlabor221 | makes it easyer to make a map |
| 05:36.04 | Grumbler | err, yeah, thats it.....easier.....since 95% of the maps out there right now dont use any of the new attributes, whats one new one |
| 05:36.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:36.38 | Patlabor221 | zactly |
| 05:36.51 | Patlabor221 | well I don't think he really likes the idea of drive or shoot thru items |
| 05:36.57 | Patlabor221 | as it makes the game "hard" |
| 05:36.58 | Grumbler | i have spent the last two days, trying to figure out old maps, and correct.....without a map viewer...ug |
| 05:37.32 | dayquil_junkie | Patlabor221: hehe cheering.. yea -- both of them :) |
| 05:37.37 | Grumbler | some people still want to play chardonney |
| 05:37.49 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: maybe now we can texture them differently, and make it 'easy' again |
| 05:37.55 | Grumbler | or is that chardonnay...oh well |
| 05:38.15 | Patlabor221 | MAC that will make no sense once map based textures are in place |
| 05:38.24 | MrApathyCream | true |
| 05:38.25 | Patlabor221 | once you have that, you no longer have a say in how the world looks |
| 05:38.45 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:38.45 | Grumbler | so there |
| 05:39.10 | Patlabor221 | so really it's just a map feature to be used by map makers |
| 05:39.18 | Patlabor221 | more features generaly = cooler maps |
| 05:39.24 | dayquil_junkie | MrApathyCream: done |
| 05:39.25 | Patlabor221 | or at least the capability for coller maps |
| 05:39.30 | MrApathyCream | dayquil_junkie: thanks! |
| 05:39.44 | dayquil_junkie | probably have to reset the server |
| 05:39.45 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: does bzedit handle shootthru/drivethru/world weapons? |
| 05:39.53 | dayquil_junkie | so login/logout, etc |
| 05:39.57 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:39.58 | Patlabor221 | it has partal support for the drive/shoot stuff |
| 05:40.02 | Patlabor221 | but not world weps |
| 05:40.05 | Patlabor221 | it needs updating |
| 05:40.16 | Grumbler | and flipz needs to be updated as well |
| 05:40.21 | MrApathyCream | also, Patlabor221, map objects can have a name attribute if you like |
| 05:40.35 | Grumbler | if you read a map in with any of those features, it will write it out without those attributes |
| 05:40.37 | Patlabor221 | like as in a thing, not a comment? |
| 05:40.45 | MrApathyCream | like as in a thing |
| 05:40.48 | Patlabor221 | yes it dosn't have write support |
| 05:40.48 | MrApathyCream | box |
| 05:40.50 | MrApathyCream | name boo |
| 05:40.54 | MrApathyCream | position ... |
| 05:40.55 | MrApathyCream | end |
| 05:40.55 | Patlabor221 | but it will read it and not crash |
| 05:40.59 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 05:41.00 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:41.13 | Patlabor221 | then the editor needs to be changed |
| 05:41.14 | Grumbler | avoids the whole #! thingy |
| 05:41.20 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:41.20 | Patlabor221 | currently it puts it now in a comment |
| 05:41.24 | MrApathyCream | purple_cow: yes |
| 05:41.30 | MrApathyCream | makes transforming them so much easier |
| 05:41.45 | purple_cow | well, not just that |
| 05:41.55 | Patlabor221 | makes having a unified surface definition easyer |
| 05:42.07 | purple_cow | makes extensibility nicer |
| 05:42.15 | Grumbler | purple_cow, does pybzflag use the same map protocol? |
| 05:42.28 | Grumbler | or anybody else that knows....? |
| 05:42.39 | Patlabor221 | yes it does, its compatable |
| 05:42.41 | purple_cow | "map protocol" ? |
| 05:42.47 | Patlabor221 | least as of when it was writen |
| 05:42.53 | Patlabor221 | it reads normal maps |
| 05:42.58 | MrApathyCream | its a subset at least |
| 05:42.59 | purple_cow | pybzflag's network protocol is a little out of date |
| 05:43.01 | Grumbler | so flip and shootthrough are not there as well |
| 05:43.07 | purple_cow | and it reads in maps in both text and binary form |
| 05:43.24 | purple_cow | flip and shootthrough should be in pybzflag... |
| 05:46.17 | MrApathyCream | anyone for brlcad:14246? |
| 05:54.47 | Grumbler | time to get all the dependancies... |
| 06:00.25 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-225-20.dialup.innercite.com) |
| 06:12.51 | Grumbler | oh boy, this is going to take some time |
| 06:15.01 | SportChick | has someone already reported the bug in bzadmin where you can see the team chat, but not who is saying it |
| 06:16.16 | SportChick | (linux version) |
| 06:19.18 | SportChick | hehe, there are 8 folks in dragon (7 playing) and 6 of them are administrator |
| 06:21.43 | creeperz | :-) |
| 06:23.19 | Grumbler | haha |
| 06:30.52 | *** join/#bzflag Dave2 (~dave@teppic.demon.co.uk) |
| 06:31.08 | dayquil_junkie | okay, time to sleep.. |
| 06:31.11 | dayquil_junkie | dang sf |
| 06:31.21 | dayquil_junkie | mac, you off tomorrow? |
| 06:40.15 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:41.40 | Patlabor221 | yay payjob is done |
| 06:43.22 | SportChick | does that mean you pay me now? ;) |
| 06:43.49 | Patlabor221 | I allways had to pay in footrubs before |
| 06:44.01 | SportChick | so, of the 12 folks on dragon, 7 are admins (1 just left) |
| 06:44.07 | SportChick | that's funny |
| 06:44.29 | Patlabor221 | heh, sounds like the #proejct24 channel, often 5 ops and 1 user |
| 06:44.32 | Patlabor221 | and the user is a bot |
| 06:47.44 | Patlabor221 | how am I suposed to commit changes when SF is down? |
| 06:54.17 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 06:56.09 | creeperz | fairy dust? |
| 07:00.17 | MrApathyCream | that's why you were supposed to 'fix' it |
| 07:00.35 | Patlabor221 | I can't |
| 07:00.45 | Patlabor221 | to properly fix a remote machine I need the fixing music |
| 07:00.49 | Patlabor221 | and I can't find a ripper |
| 07:02.55 | MrApathyCream | at least it seems to be holding together |
| 07:03.52 | MrApathyCream | tuft? |
| 07:03.56 | Patlabor221 | tuft |
| 07:04.39 | purple_cow | wheeee |
| 07:04.42 | purple_cow | yay abenobashi =D |
| 07:05.08 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: we have a decent tuft texture in pybz |
| 07:06.17 | Patlabor221 | gimme |
| 07:06.23 | purple_cow | its in cvs |
| 07:06.40 | Patlabor221 | well that dosn't help me |
| 07:06.56 | purple_cow | anoncvs should work |
| 07:06.59 | purple_cow | and/or snaps |
| 07:07.41 | Patlabor221 | projet is just pybzflag? |
| 07:07.44 | purple_cow | yup |
| 07:08.44 | scanline | lots of fun textures in pybzflag, and XCF sources for most in extra_media :) |
| 07:10.22 | Patlabor221 | hmm wonder if I can plop that moon in there |
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| 07:11.29 | Patlabor221 | and the outline tank, that would look good as a menu pointer |
| 07:18.10 | Patlabor221 | I dig that flag graphic |
| 07:18.32 | scanline | :) |
| 07:19.44 | Patlabor221 | hmmm not exactly the kind of tuft I was looking for but maybe I can mod it |
| 07:19.58 | Patlabor221 | I am going to include your flag in the high res version |
| 07:20.14 | scanline | what sort of 'tuft' are you going for then? |
| 07:20.22 | Patlabor221 | Ihave some |
| 07:20.26 | Patlabor221 | trying to post so I can show you |
| 07:20.30 | scanline | k |
| 07:20.50 | scanline | I can look up the proper aspect ratio for that superflag.png if you want |
| 07:20.57 | scanline | but the circle is actually supposed to be circular : |
| 07:20.58 | scanline | :) |
| 07:21.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:21.10 | Patlabor221 | you did a geo flag |
| 07:21.13 | Patlabor221 | I am tweaking it |
| 07:21.20 | Patlabor221 | to fit the current graphic |
| 07:21.25 | scanline | well, it was a realtime cloth simulation |
| 07:21.28 | Patlabor221 | just not a 64x64 |
| 07:21.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah it kicked ass |
| 07:21.44 | scanline | ah, the source for superflag.png was in Blender |
| 07:21.54 | scanline | I guess I did the whole thing in there rather than compositing in gimp |
| 07:21.56 | Patlabor221 | gotta hook up real geo flags when the element manager is on |
| 07:22.03 | scanline | should be extra_media/superflag.blend if you need it |
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| 07:23.21 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/tuft1.jpg |
| 07:23.28 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/tuft2.jpg |
| 07:24.00 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/grass_tuft.gif |
| 07:24.03 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/tuft3.jpg |
| 07:24.06 | Patlabor221 | that kinda stuff |
| 07:24.47 | scanline | ah, to just stick at random places rather than along buildings? |
| 07:24.54 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:25.00 | Patlabor221 | ground flair I call it |
| 07:25.16 | scanline | yeah, the one in pybzflag was decal'ed along the bottom edge of boxen that sit on the ground |
| 07:25.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah it looked good |
| 07:25.32 | scanline | btw, that superflag texture should be 4:3 aspect |
| 07:25.35 | Patlabor221 | would like to get a couple random ones and do that too |
| 07:25.51 | scanline | dunno what the flag model in bzflag is, but you could crop or you could render it from the blender source again |
| 07:26.39 | Grumbler | purple_cow, what version of pyopengl was used 2.0 or 1.5 |
| 07:26.40 | purple_cow | scanline: iirc its geometry is generated via a sine |
| 07:26.52 | purple_cow | Grumbler: huh? |
| 07:26.55 | Patlabor221 | BZ actualy asumes the flag image is square |
| 07:26.57 | scanline | purple_cow: yeah, but I don't know the aspect ratio it ends up at |
| 07:27.05 | Patlabor221 | the geo goes to 4:30 |
| 07:27.06 | Grumbler | purple_cow, pybzflag |
| 07:27.16 | purple_cow | um, whatever is latest |
| 07:27.25 | Grumbler | ok... |
| 07:27.26 | scanline | Patlabor221: well, the texture is square in pybzflag too... but it gets stretched to a 4:3 model |
| 07:27.35 | scanline | so the texture as-is looks narrower than it should be |
| 07:27.40 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/pyflag.png |
| 07:27.40 | scanline | the circle should be circular |
| 07:27.46 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 07:27.59 | Patlabor221 | here it gets streched to a 4:3 billboard |
| 07:28.10 | Patlabor221 | I just need to fix the trans on the edges |
| 07:28.14 | scanline | eek, it's all choppy and stuff |
| 07:28.14 | purple_cow | oww, the artifacts |
| 07:28.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:28.25 | Patlabor221 | well that's our flag forya |
| 07:28.26 | scanline | and.. I know the flag should look tattered, but yours looks blurry |
| 07:28.34 | Patlabor221 | that is what I have to fix |
| 07:28.43 | Patlabor221 | that's using the alpha from the old image |
| 07:28.46 | Patlabor221 | it's crap |
| 07:28.48 | scanline | I had to make pybzflag's flag opaque because the cloth renderer didn't z-sort |
| 07:29.21 | scanline | and you should at least make the sine wave higher resolution :) |
| 07:29.30 | scanline | but a real cloth sim isn't that hard |
| 07:29.39 | Patlabor221 | wonder where that is |
| 07:30.47 | Patlabor221 | hmm maybe I can increse the "chunks" seting for experimental mode |
| 07:31.14 | Patlabor221 | ick it just does a hardcode 8 "chunks" |
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| 07:31.31 | Patlabor221 | that will come later |
| 07:31.34 | scanline | :) |
| 07:31.47 | Patlabor221 | not gonna change this scene node stuff now, going to replace it later |
| 07:32.28 | Patlabor221 | what the hell is the point of making a global static? |
| 07:33.29 | scanline | it makes it local to that file |
| 07:33.30 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: so that the symbol isn't exported beyond the file |
| 07:33.48 | scanline | quite important for libraries and kernel modules |
| 07:33.52 | Patlabor221 | well it's gonna be now :) |
| 07:33.58 | scanline | and still good practice elsewhere... |
| 07:34.11 | Patlabor221 | it's now set via the quality |
| 07:34.15 | Patlabor221 | so no more staticness |
| 07:34.34 | Patlabor221 | 8 chunks in high and lower, and 32 chunks in exp |
| 07:34.43 | Patlabor221 | now to fix that texture |
| 07:34.58 | scanline | it loaded the RGB and the A from separate files? |
| 07:35.10 | Patlabor221 | no I copyed the A from the old file |
| 07:35.14 | scanline | ah |
| 07:35.20 | Patlabor221 | just to see |
| 07:35.24 | Patlabor221 | doing a new one by hand now |
| 07:35.35 | Patlabor221 | not sure why the flags need to look "ripped" |
| 07:36.17 | purple_cow | scanline: once we have models... |
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| 07:36.28 | purple_cow | and while i know that it'd be easy to do the sky model's geo in code |
| 07:36.30 | purple_cow | why bother? |
| 07:36.34 | scanline | :) |
| 07:36.47 | scanline | yeah.. the nicest part about having a sky model in pybzflag was setting texcoords |
| 07:37.02 | scanline | then the code really just associated model names with portions of the sky_colors texture's Y axis |
| 07:37.27 | scanline | it would remap the v texcoord to be within that range IIRC |
| 07:38.00 | scanline | I think I was doing it in code before the VRML loader supported texcoords.. that was kinda annoying |
| 07:39.45 | Patlabor221 | can imagine |
| 07:41.04 | scanline | I don't suppose bzflag already has a good way to do dynamically rendered textures? |
| 07:41.14 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 07:41.23 | scanline | multitexture? :) |
| 07:41.28 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 07:41.33 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't even sort on texture |
| 07:42.34 | Patlabor221 | would have to, or dump back to the old sky for the softies |
| 07:42.52 | Patlabor221 | that's why I want to be able to install a difrent set of named visual elements based on quality |
| 07:43.02 | Patlabor221 | then you can make hardware only elements |
| 07:43.04 | scanline | well, it used one texture unit for the actual cloud texture, and another to multiply it by the right part of sky_colors |
| 07:43.16 | scanline | that just made it so that the cloud colors could form a gradient |
| 07:43.49 | scanline | wouldn't be too annoying to fall back on sampling a single color from sky_colors each frame and glColor'ing the cloud texture |
| 07:44.24 | scanline | but yeah.. being able to select different renderers for things based on quality would be good |
| 07:44.49 | scanline | how are you planning on implementing that.. make each object an abstract base class with different implementations for each quality level that needs one? |
| 07:45.39 | Patlabor221 | there are 2 levels, 1 is a display object |
| 07:45.40 | Patlabor221 | like a tank |
| 07:45.50 | Patlabor221 | and it refrences N visual elements |
| 07:46.02 | scanline | visual elements.. like drawables? |
| 07:46.05 | Patlabor221 | and display objects and visual elements are all registerd by name |
| 07:46.05 | scanline | :) |
| 07:46.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah they are your drawables |
| 07:46.24 | Patlabor221 | our plans were 95% simialr |
| 07:46.25 | purple_cow | mmmm, drawables |
| 07:46.36 | Patlabor221 | I just didn't have passes |
| 07:46.41 | Patlabor221 | so I'm gonna put in passes |
| 07:46.42 | scanline | Patlabor221: yeah, I'm just saying that 'drawable' is a shorter and less ambiguous name |
| 07:46.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:46.51 | scanline | you could call colors or textures 'visual elements' too |
| 07:47.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:47.17 | Patlabor221 | at the time I didn't have a name, don't know why I didn't think of the world drawable |
| 07:47.27 | scanline | because you're not an Xlib programmer |
| 07:47.33 | scanline | :) |
| 07:47.43 | Patlabor221 | thank god |
| 07:47.48 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/beterflag.png |
| 07:48.20 | scanline | better |
| 07:48.29 | Patlabor221 | does it need to be ripped? |
| 07:48.39 | purple_cow | oooh, sexy |
| 07:48.50 | purple_cow | needs the tattered bits though |
| 07:48.53 | scanline | the rippedness doesn't really matter to me.. would be nice if it weren't planar, and had a thicker flagpole |
| 07:48.56 | scanline | but other than that, neat |
| 07:49.05 | Patlabor221 | working on the flagpole now |
| 07:49.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah, they need to be geo |
| 07:49.54 | Patlabor221 | and flap in the wind dir |
| 07:50.04 | scanline | you'll also need to z-sort if you want tattered bits and real wavyness at the same time :-/ |
| 07:50.13 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:50.31 | Patlabor221 | think ether of you cold find me a ripped cloth image? |
| 07:50.36 | scanline | coudln't do that in pybzflag because there was really no way to do it in a sane amount of time using just python and numeric |
| 07:51.25 | Grumbler | why dont people just put X11 in the same dang place |
| 07:55.57 | scanline | silly down-type CVS widgets... |
| 07:56.00 | Patlabor221 | whoot, get to use a var called "geoPole" |
| 07:56.46 | captain_proton | like namespacing |
| 07:56.59 | scanline | and lisp scripting |
| 07:58.07 | Patlabor221 | hope I got the winding right |
| 07:58.36 | Patlabor221 | yay change the BZDB header, watch EVERYING rebuild |
| 07:59.39 | scanline | at least bzflag doesn't have PythonWrapper.cpp :) |
| 08:00.24 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 08:00.30 | Patlabor221 | well MAC you now have flagpoleWidth as a bzdb var |
| 08:00.36 | captain_proton | those 4-hour builds still haunt my dreams |
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| 08:07.10 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i'm going to force you to watch some stuff on sasami for me at some point, to answer the chapter quesiton |
| 08:07.16 | captain_proton | (whenever its convenient) |
| 08:07.49 | Patlabor221 | that means I'll have to fire up the freaky 21 inc h monito |
| 08:07.59 | Patlabor221 | just let me get this flag set proper and then I will |
| 08:08.16 | captain_proton | well, i gotta finish ripping the individual chapters in question first |
| 08:10.23 | Patlabor221 | ohh ok |
| 08:11.23 | Patlabor221 | what are the zoom keys when you are playing, not in observe? |
| 08:11.45 | captain_proton | there's only one - b (binoculars) |
| 08:16.09 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/mobeterflag.png |
| 08:16.13 | Patlabor221 | how does that look? |
| 08:16.22 | Patlabor221 | little tater |
| 08:16.25 | Patlabor221 | no holes tho |
| 08:16.31 | Patlabor221 | and a fater pole |
| 08:17.02 | captain_proton | the right edge is good, left edge shouldn't have any tatters iirc, and top and bottom are a little fuzzy |
| 08:17.14 | captain_proton | i think he went into CVS withdrawl |
| 08:17.18 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 08:18.36 | Patlabor221 | ahah, the brush was at 35% flow not 100, that is why I keep geting blurys |
| 08:25.39 | Grumbler | ahhh, man....PyOpenGl is not newbie friendly |
| 08:28.23 | captain_proton | scanline: know anything about freetype font selection patterns? |
| 08:29.14 | scanline | captain_proton: in freetype? I thought that was all done by another doodad... (fontconfig?) |
| 08:29.27 | captain_proton | err, nevermind |
| 08:29.31 | captain_proton | got it |
| 08:29.44 | captain_proton | yay, AA xterm |
| 08:31.09 | Grumbler | go baby go |
| 08:35.28 | Patlabor221 | hmmm how would I make it so I can see the moon |
| 08:36.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you got rid of the ground lines in the experimental mode? |
| 08:36.42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:36.46 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 08:37.29 | Patlabor221 | and tanks allways draw at high LOD |
| 08:37.39 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:37.41 | Patlabor221 | since it's squat for tris |
| 08:37.56 | captain_proton | anybody opposed to me increasing the debug level of the bzdb profiling when --enable-debug is on? |
| 08:39.19 | Patlabor221 | should we put Sean and Tupone in the credits in the game? |
| 08:39.25 | Patlabor221 | and Lars? |
| 08:39.30 | captain_proton | oof, it's not even a debug |
| 08:39.33 | captain_proton | just an std::cout |
| 08:39.34 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yes |
| 08:39.40 | Patlabor221 | anyone else? |
| 08:40.22 | Grumbler | how about the guy from "Office Space"......burn the place down |
| 08:40.40 | captain_proton | jbd perhaps? |
| 08:40.52 | Patlabor221 | real name? |
| 08:41.01 | captain_proton | should be in the ChangeLog - lemme look |
| 08:41.05 | scanline | captain_proton: http://navi.cx/~micah/messy-schematic.png |
| 08:41.08 | Patlabor221 | is he Nills? |
| 08:41.15 | Patlabor221 | or Nils |
| 08:41.15 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 08:41.20 | Patlabor221 | Nils McCarthy |
| 08:41.33 | Patlabor221 | ohh that is schoo |
| 08:41.45 | Patlabor221 | I think |
| 08:42.03 | Patlabor221 | shkoo, are you Nils McCarthy |
| 08:42.03 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.16 | captain_proton | hmm, i don't see much jbd stuff in the changelog at all... |
| 08:42.22 | Patlabor221 | no I don't |
| 08:42.26 | Patlabor221 | add nils? |
| 08:42.29 | captain_proton | almost all sir brosius |
| 08:42.43 | Patlabor221 | and me |
| 08:42.56 | Patlabor221 | tupone had a good showing this time as well |
| 08:42.57 | captain_proton | (well, i mean as far as the david's go) |
| 08:43.04 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 08:43.33 | Patlabor221 | well I got room for one more, so Nils is going in |
| 08:43.34 | captain_proton | hmm, we don't -have- debug levels in bzflag, only bzfs |
| 08:43.47 | Patlabor221 | add them :) |
| 08:43.59 | captain_proton | yessir |
| 08:44.37 | Patlabor221 | yay, your not the last one in the code contributors list now :) |
| 08:45.54 | Patlabor221 | hmm this will probably be the last release with models by Tamar |
| 08:46.08 | Patlabor221 | ok cap is the moon out ther? |
| 08:46.22 | Patlabor221 | if so what is your lon and lat? |
| 08:46.37 | captain_proton | hmm, dunno |
| 08:46.39 | captain_proton | i'm inside :) |
| 08:47.32 | captain_proton | aren't there places on the interweb that should tell you? |
| 08:47.32 | Patlabor221 | ahh I'm just gonna slap in some numbers :) |
| 08:48.07 | captain_proton | oogabooga, yay cruft! |
| 08:49.06 | Patlabor221 | longitude is east/west right? |
| 08:49.14 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 08:49.20 | captain_proton | its -long-itude :) |
| 08:49.26 | captain_proton | err, no |
| 08:49.27 | captain_proton | wait |
| 08:49.31 | captain_proton | lat is east-west |
| 08:49.39 | captain_proton | forgot the old pnemonics |
| 08:49.41 | captain_proton | lat is flat :P |
| 08:49.54 | Patlabor221 | does the server pick the moon pos? |
| 08:50.05 | captain_proton | shouldn't, i think |
| 08:50.33 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:50.44 | captain_proton | it occurs to me that we could migrate CmdLineOptions in bzfs completely to BZDB |
| 08:51.42 | Patlabor221 | I really want to figure out how to get the moon to show |
| 08:52.02 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: tried just adjusting the time and looking around? |
| 08:52.17 | Patlabor221 | not time, the long and lat tho |
| 08:52.25 | captain_proton | try time, its easier to do (in game) |
| 08:53.11 | Patlabor221 | ohh how? |
| 08:53.29 | captain_proton | i think the default bindings are +/- |
| 08:54.32 | captain_proton | ow, we already have a -d in bzflag |
| 08:57.22 | scanline | silly option style... |
| 08:58.24 | captain_proton | hmm? |
| 08:58.32 | scanline | long opts with one dash |
| 08:58.38 | captain_proton | very |
| 08:58.45 | captain_proton | but not without precedent |
| 08:58.53 | captain_proton | (like...almost every other option) |
| 08:58.57 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:58.59 | captain_proton | its actually a very common style on irix |
| 08:59.14 | captain_proton | but fallen out of favor on operating systems that people use |
| 08:59.28 | scanline | where'd you hide /navi/media/images? |
| 08:59.53 | captain_proton | /root/backup/images |
| 09:00.01 | scanline | on bhaskara? |
| 09:00.10 | captain_proton | on navi |
| 09:00.13 | scanline | ah |
| 09:02.41 | captain_proton | ook, i think this should generalize the DEBUGx() stuff across the entire project |
| 09:02.59 | captain_proton | though i suppose it means we're using both printf() and c++ streams inside bzflag |
| 09:03.51 | scanline | naughty! |
| 09:04.18 | captain_proton | i wish we could completely redo all the cmdline options, but i bet tim'll call that a definite nono |
| 09:04.30 | scanline | we could use optik :) |
| 09:04.34 | captain_proton | heh |
| 09:04.45 | *** join/#bzflag bomber (~bomber@ap97.physik.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 09:04.49 | bomber | moin |
| 09:05.28 | captain_proton | moin, bomber |
| 09:05.58 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ok, whenever you have time, gimme a holler re: the chapter stuff |
| 09:08.06 | Grumbler | 4 am...yes it is |
| 09:15.08 | Grumbler | pygame.error: Found no sufficiently capable X11 visuals |
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| 09:15.44 | Grumbler | guten morgen |
| 09:15.59 | Pimpinella | moin |
| 09:17.08 | captain_proton | now if only i could commit this... |
| 09:17.46 | Pimpinella | ~x en de commit |
| 09:18.36 | captain_proton | Pimpinella: technical terminology for "break all the other developers' code" |
| 09:18.54 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 09:19.07 | Pimpinella | make friends |
| 09:21.05 | Grumbler | ahahahaha........gotta love it when the program crashes and it tells where to find the install that will fix it |
| 09:21.38 | Grumbler | pygame.error: Found no sufficiently capable X11 visuals === dont run when your window is twm |
| 09:22.03 | captain_proton | yay twm |
| 09:23.20 | Pimpinella | apt.get update |
| 09:23.37 | Pimpinella | aaarrrrrrggggghhhhh |
| 09:23.49 | Pimpinella | wrong window && typo |
| 09:23.55 | Grumbler | wow....pybzflag worldviewer actually works |
| 09:24.11 | Grumbler | only took me 5 hours, but hey....it works |
| 09:24.19 | Grumbler | grumble grumble |
| 09:25.58 | Grumbler | anybody ever use pybzflag worldviewer, and know if there is a way to "move/zoom" around |
| 09:26.19 | scanline | no, nobody's ever used it |
| 09:26.20 | scanline | never |
| 09:26.23 | scanline | nobody ever |
| 09:26.23 | captain_proton | Grumbler: try the right mouse button / mouse wheel / modifier keys |
| 09:26.34 | captain_proton | at least i think right button |
| 09:27.01 | captain_proton | yup |
| 09:27.16 | Grumbler | it did something.....its not stopping....but its doing something... |
| 09:27.29 | captain_proton | mmm, i'd forgptten how good those oil stains look |
| 09:27.56 | Pimpinella | what is the worldviewer? |
| 09:28.02 | Grumbler | i dont think a laptop is advisable with this thing |
| 09:28.10 | captain_proton | scanline: hmm, was that texturing done in world coords? |
| 09:28.19 | captain_proton | (for boxes & such) |
| 09:28.21 | scanline | captain_proton: yep |
| 09:28.30 | captain_proton | :-o |
| 09:28.32 | Grumbler | Pimpinella, it allows you view the world much like bzedit |
| 09:28.42 | scanline | hence the z-buffer happiness |
| 09:29.04 | captain_proton | scanline: well, except for where the textures are different |
| 09:29.10 | scanline | well, right |
| 09:29.30 | scanline | but that doesn't happen too often.. |
| 09:29.40 | scanline | the decals should be happy as they're done with z writes off |
| 09:40.05 | scanline | well, sleepytime for me I suppose |
| 09:40.13 | Grumbler | g'night |
| 09:41.48 | captain_proton | 'night scanline |
| 09:42.13 | Grumbler | the thumbnailer is kinda nice |
| 09:46.09 | captain_proton | mmm, i'd forgotten how neat anaglyph was |
| 09:49.15 | Grumbler | hehe....modelviewer is nice.....wish the worldviewer was as smooth |
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| 11:22.29 | your_dog | good morning |
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| 11:29.20 | your_dog | good morning mmu_man |
| 11:29.44 | mmu_man | hi |
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| 12:18.26 | fontenot | has ducati always been in germany? |
| 12:45.15 | fontenot | is flag cheating still possible on 10.2 ? |
| 12:45.33 | fontenot | i am playing some guy who has gotten exactl right flag to counter me like 10 times in a row |
| 12:56.37 | MrApathyCream | go to bed capn!! |
| 12:57.15 | MrApathyCream | wow no cvs still |
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| 13:28.46 | fontenot | lol someone called me a cheater because they couldn't lock on me with GM when I had ST |
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| 14:01.36 | learnquil | indeed. :( |
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| 15:36.54 | SportChick | Nid! |
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| 15:39.46 | SportChick | it's soooo quiet in here |
| 15:39.56 | Noodleman_laptop | WAKE UP!! |
| 15:42.30 | SportChick | I'm excited!! Hubby liked anniversary present I made for him! :) |
| 15:44.24 | Noodleman_laptop | hehe |
| 15:44.30 | Noodleman_laptop | what was it? |
| 15:44.59 | creeperz | oh, the possibilities |
| 15:45.06 | SportChick | well, to tell you that.. you have to know this: |
| 15:45.25 | SportChick | it's our second anniversary (cotton) and I DON'T know how to sew |
| 15:45.37 | fontenot | home made q-tips? |
| 15:45.47 | Noodleman_laptop | heh, ok |
| 15:45.53 | SportChick | lol |
| 15:46.00 | creeperz | ohhh, why would you stitch cickens to a dogs back? |
| 15:46.03 | creeperz | :-( |
| 15:46.13 | SportChick | no! It was similar to this: http://www.personalcreations.com/shop/product.asp?product_code=7856W&world_code=2&category_code=313&subcategory_code=313&search_type=subcategory |
| 15:46.42 | Noodleman_laptop | hey, cool |
| 15:46.58 | Noodleman_laptop | that's an awesome anniversary gift |
| 15:47.05 | creeperz | you bought a blanket that you MADE the money (because your a conterfeit money persno dude)! |
| 15:47.13 | SportChick | I originally saw this and knew I couldn't spend that much money, so I used it as a "design" (sort of) to make my own. A friend taught me to sew on her machine and how to do the quilting stitches. And I had our names embroidered (by an embroidery shop....no way I could do that) |
| 15:47.20 | SportChick | on the top. |
| 15:47.32 | Noodleman_laptop | cool |
| 15:47.39 | creeperz | cool |
| 15:47.41 | SportChick | I don't understand you, creeperz |
| 15:47.51 | Noodleman_laptop | nobody does :-) |
| 15:47.57 | creeperz | lol |
| 15:48.07 | SportChick | I was so excited to give it to him that I couldn't wait until dinner! Gave it to him when he woke up |
| 15:48.26 | SportChick | I made the front white and the back midnight blue (our wedding color) flannel. |
| 15:48.28 | creeperz | k, i have to get to working though |
| 15:48.32 | SportChick | So it would be nice to snuggle in |
| 15:48.34 | SportChick | k...see you |
| 15:48.57 | SportChick | hehe |
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| 16:00.23 | Noodleman_laptop | ~sfsnap |
| 16:00.29 | | i guess sfsnap is http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 16:32.13 | Noodleman_laptop | my sister was trying to explain the difference between POP3 and IMAP to my mom |
| 16:32.33 | Noodleman_laptop | i kept telling her that mom didn't want to know :-) |
| 16:46.24 | SportChick | ~weather kdfw |
| 16:48.21 | Noodleman_laptop | ~weather kevv |
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| 16:49.27 | Patlabor221 | wow SF still down |
| 16:49.28 | Noodleman_laptop | do you know how to make a bzflag.spec from bzflag.spec.in? |
| 16:49.37 | Noodleman_laptop | autoconf just makes an empty file |
| 16:50.02 | Noodleman_laptop | i must be doing something wrong |
| 16:50.35 | Noodleman_laptop | maybe i'm not supposed to be using autoconf? |
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| 17:02.41 | Nidhoggr | well, my persistant congestion/severe cold symptoms have all been really bad allergies. |
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| 17:05.10 | *** topic/#bzflag by larsl -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || time to release v1.10.4 so test, test, test || SourceForge anonymous CVS is back, developer CVS still down |
| 17:05.45 | Grumbler | unless there are other options |
| 17:06.04 | Nidhoggr | me either. |
| 17:06.28 | Patlabor221 | probably just remove the call to the draw code for that |
| 17:06.33 | Grumbler | i was up till 5am getting all the libraries to compile |
| 17:06.40 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure they didn't hook up "on/off" controlls to it at this point |
| 17:06.42 | Nidhoggr | OCD? |
| 17:06.43 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 17:06.45 | Patlabor221 | ohh wow |
| 17:06.57 | Grumbler | Patlabor221, i was guessing that.....still a foggy |
| 17:07.38 | Grumbler | the modelviewer is very cool..... |
| 17:07.54 | Grumbler | as is the worldthumbnailer |
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| 17:14.55 | SportChick | grrrrr.... apparently, I kicked tuxlucky earlier from secretplace (he's another admin) because the "o" function came up while I was typing, and it defaulted to "kick" again. I never even realized it. |
| 17:15.26 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 17:15.47 | Nidhoggr | i've caught myself almost kicking someone before. |
| 17:16.13 | Nidhoggr | fortunately, I touch type, and watch the screen, and not my fingers, or I'da kicked a handful of people now. |
| 17:17.32 | larsl | SourceForge says "The next update regarding this service will occur at 9AM". Isn't it over 10AM PST now? |
| 17:18.21 | Nidhoggr | it's 10 mountain. |
| 17:18.29 | Nidhoggr | 10:18 |
| 17:18.36 | Nidhoggr | so 9:18 pacific. |
| 17:18.41 | larsl | Ah. |
| 17:19.03 | larsl | Right - I always forget to subtract 1 hour from my time to get GMT. |
| 17:19.19 | Nidhoggr | well, I got free allegra samples from Dr. and some flonase (nasal steroid) |
| 17:19.35 | Nidhoggr | so hopefully my symptoms subside. |
| 17:21.55 | Grumbler | and 12 est |
| 17:22.32 | Nidhoggr | I never thought that allergies would almost put me in bed for a solid 3 days. |
| 17:30.05 | Patlabor221 | yay CVS is back |
| 17:30.27 | Chikorita | yay :) |
| 17:30.58 | *** topic/#bzflag by larsl -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || time to release v1.10.4 so test, test, test |
| 17:31.07 | Chikorita | <<<seen quite a few admins kickin , fightin an bannin each otha.. strange buh tru :P |
| 17:31.18 | Chikorita | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3169701384&category=11746 |
| 17:31.46 | Chikorita | CAT NOT InCLUDED! |
| 17:31.50 | Chikorita | dang ...LoL |
| 17:32.11 | Noodleman_laptop | does anyone know why when i run autoconf on bzflag.spec.in, it just makes an empty file? |
| 17:32.21 | Noodleman_laptop | it should make a bzflag spec file |
| 17:33.25 | larsl | Do you mean when you run configure? |
| 17:33.33 | Patlabor221 | booo... no CVS |
| 17:34.11 | Noodleman_laptop | no, it should just make a bzflag.spec file when i run autogen.sh, shouldn't it? |
| 17:34.18 | Noodleman_laptop | but it doesn't |
| 17:34.28 | larsl | If autogen.sh runs configure, yes. |
| 17:34.38 | larsl | It's the configure script that generates bzflag.spec. |
| 17:34.44 | Noodleman_laptop | so, configure makes the bzflag.spec? |
| 17:34.57 | Noodleman_laptop | that's a pain in the butt... :-) |
| 17:35.27 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/bzflsMy.php: add ability to ban servers from accessing the list server. |
| 17:35.35 | larsl | autogen.sh only runs configure if you give it a configure parameter (like --enable-debug or --disable-client). |
| 17:35.42 | Chikorita | o wow dis iz kinda neet>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3170272601&category=2564 |
| 17:36.19 | Noodleman_laptop | i was hoping that autogen.sh was the script that made the bzflag.spec |
| 17:36.25 | Noodleman_laptop | but, guess not |
| 17:36.51 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt: prevent a false positive match on the german misspelling (e.g. she is) |
| 17:37.13 | Nidhoggr | yay |
| 17:37.14 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:37.56 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/simpleSwearList.txt: prevent a false positive match on the german misspelling (e.g. she is) |
| 17:38.31 | larsl | Noodleman_laptop: If you want to build an RPM you can also do make dist; rpm -tb bzflag-1.10.3-*.tar.gz |
| 17:38.40 | Chikorita | how bout "pizza" an "hello"? |
| 17:38.47 | Noodleman_laptop | ok, i'll try that |
| 17:39.12 | larsl | But you need to run autogen.sh and configure first of course. |
| 17:39.16 | Noodleman_laptop | yeah |
| 17:39.51 | larsl | And the rpm -tb works assuming that you have RPM set up for building as an ordinary user. If not you have to become root first. |
| 17:40.27 | Noodleman_laptop | understood |
| 17:40.33 | Noodleman_laptop | i've got it set up that way |
| 17:40.50 | Nidhoggr | I have a problem i bzadmin where team messages don't say who they are from |
| 17:40.54 | mobile | Chikorita: hello pizza |
| 17:41.14 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Team messages from other teams or from the observer team? |
| 17:41.31 | Nidhoggr | I am on observer |
| 17:41.39 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 17:41.50 | larsl | Yes, but are the team messages for the observer team, or for other teams? |
| 17:41.51 | Nidhoggr | so my own team |
| 17:41.55 | Noodleman_laptop | is anyone doing nightly rpm builds? |
| 17:42.03 | Nidhoggr | probably other teams... I am seeing the message |
| 17:42.11 | Nidhoggr | since it was an apology for a tk |
| 17:42.14 | larsl | The server actually sent team messages to everyone earlier, it has been fixed in the server now. |
| 17:42.19 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 17:42.38 | Noodleman_laptop | just asking before i try and duplicate somebody else's work |
| 17:42.38 | larsl | Noodleman_laptop: I am, I haven't been publishing them anywhere though. |
| 17:42.55 | larsl | I've just done it to make sure that it works. |
| 17:43.00 | Noodleman_laptop | ok |
| 17:43.08 | Noodleman_laptop | mind if i do it and publish them? |
| 17:43.13 | larsl | Not at all. =) |
| 17:43.14 | Chikorita | mobile: did u jus cuss at mee? ;) |
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| 17:44.57 | Chikorita | hi doggy |
| 17:45.08 | your_dog | hey chik |
| 17:45.11 | your_dog | whazup? |
| 17:45.15 | mobile | Chikorita: :) |
| 17:46.42 | larsl | Noodleman_laptop: You might want to use 'rpm -tb --target i386-linux-gnu' for building RPMs, since the bzflag.spec file specifies configure options for 386 code. People might be confused if the package says .i586.rpm and the binaries aren't optimized for 586. |
| 17:46.57 | your_dog | hey larsl |
| 17:47.01 | larsl | your_dog: Hello. |
| 17:47.03 | Chikorita | your_dog :ntm , lookin at stuffs on ebay , dats all :) |
| 17:47.03 | Noodleman_laptop | thx larsl |
| 17:49.25 | mobile | w00t! bzfs on irix works! |
| 17:50.23 | Chikorita | shhh.. grumblas' back ;) |
| 17:51.16 | your_dog | lol |
| 17:51.27 | Nidhoggr | "but it's" gets filtered. :) |
| 17:51.43 | your_dog | hey Nidhoggr |
| 17:51.50 | Nidhoggr | hi |
| 17:54.00 | larsl | Does anyone actually play bzflag on a i386? |
| 17:54.19 | Noodleman_laptop | hehe, i doubt it |
| 17:58.00 | mobile | Tim won't go for that, I'm pretty sure |
| 17:58.15 | mobile | Though I'd bet doing both would be fine |
| 18:00.31 | Chikorita_bot | sum1 should do a bzflag release for Xbox an PS2 ;) |
| 18:00.45 | Chikorita_bot | i betcha u could make sum $$$ outta it ;) |
| 18:00.49 | larsl | Is RedHat still releasing 386 RPMs as default? |
| 18:01.03 | larsl | I know that Mandrake have used 586 for years. |
| 18:01.24 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/flag.png: use flag graphic from pybzflag cus It's a lot cooler and has a tank on it. |
| 18:01.36 | Noodleman_laptop | larsl: yeah, they are |
| 18:03.26 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 18:03.40 | larsl | Patlabor221: Yep, it's a lot cooler. =) |
| 18:05.16 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/WorldFileObstacle.cxx: add passable map object flag |
| 18:05.50 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@158.222.225.7) |
| 18:08.02 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/menus.cxx: add sean, tupone, lars, and nills to the code contributors. |
| 18:11.17 | mobile | w00t |
| 18:12.01 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 6 dirs): |
| 18:12.01 | CIA-4 | up flag segments and moon segments for experimental quality. |
| 18:12.01 | CIA-4 | Add quad based flagpole for experimental quality. |
| 18:12.01 | CIA-4 | Add flagPoleWidth to BZDB for geoPole |
| 18:12.02 | CIA-4 | Add hooks for textured moon. |
| 18:13.14 | larsl | Cool. |
| 18:13.49 | larsl | If we make the number of moons a parameter we can have "Mars" or "Pluto" themes. =) |
| 18:13.49 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/menu_arrow.png: use outline shaded tank image from pybzflag for arrow pointer, looks good at low res |
| 18:14.29 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't let burrowed tanks drive at normal speed (anti-cheat) |
| 18:14.36 | Patlabor221 | well, hence my desire for skyboxes or some other type of defineable sky |
| 18:14.40 | Patlabor221 | not a theme, but map defined |
| 18:15.34 | larsl | That's good too. |
| 18:17.51 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (TeamBases.h TeamBases.cxx bzfs.cxx): Make VC5 happy again |
| 18:18.19 | larsl | Does anyone know of a Linux live-CD distribution that is specializing in games? |
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| 18:20.18 | your_dog | where'd chik go? |
| 18:21.26 | Nidhoggr | patlabor. nils is one l. :) |
| 18:22.14 | larsl | He typed that in the code, just a typo in the CVS message. |
| 18:22.24 | Nidhoggr | ah. cool. :) |
| 18:22.30 | Nidhoggr | just making sure. ;) |
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| 18:28.12 | larsl | Hm. |
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| 18:35.22 | mobile | w00t! bzadmin on irix now |
| 18:35.30 | larsl | Nice. |
| 18:35.35 | DTRemenak | is it just me, or is pyramid drawing buggy? |
| 18:35.37 | mobile | now the only one remaining is the client itself |
| 18:35.46 | mobile | this is a pain.. |
| 18:37.49 | mobile | but it's rather useless as no text is displayed.. |
| 18:37.53 | mobile | bzadmin, that is |
| 18:38.02 | mobile | waddstr is not in curses.h |
| 18:38.25 | larsl | Hm. It's in the XSI standard. |
| 18:40.10 | mobile | oop. i misspoke.. |
| 18:40.18 | mobile | just a type mismatch |
| 18:40.36 | mobile | it's in there, but expects a char * |
| 18:41.08 | mobile | you often use some std::string's c_str(), which is a const char * |
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| 18:43.27 | Patlabor221 | I did nils with 1 L in the code, I copyed from the change log, that message was just me typing |
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| 18:48.08 | larsl | mobile: Maybe we should to rename pdcurses_adapter.h to curses_wrapper.h or something like that, and put all needed curses wrappers for different curses in there. |
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| 18:58.28 | Grumbler | gosh BigMadCity is realllllly big |
| 18:59.08 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 19:01.38 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (CursesMenu.h CursesUI.cxx CursesUI.h pdcurses_adapter.h): curses changes necessary to get bzadmin to work on irix using the mipspro compiler. |
| 19:03.10 | your_dog | someone wants to know where the bz config file is under winblows |
| 19:03.23 | mobile | TimRiker: I added a banlist to the list server (with an initial entry) fyi |
| 19:03.41 | mobile | lemme know how it stands or if you want to revert it in favor of something else |
| 19:03.48 | Grumbler | your_dog, tell them to look under My BzFlag FIles, in My Documents |
| 19:03.56 | your_dog | ok, thnx |
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| 19:11.50 | mobile | i just fixed it for IRIX, what _else_ do you want?! :) |
| 19:12.06 | bryjen | CP/M ! |
| 19:12.09 | larsl | It works on Linux, IRIX, and Mac. =) |
| 19:12.17 | SportChick | harumph |
| 19:12.25 | SportChick | :( |
| 19:13.07 | TimRiker | mobile: k, I'll watch for it. might have to do a bzfquery or simlar on servers from time to time to check for abuse. (ugh) |
| 19:14.37 | Patlabor221 | what broke? |
| 19:14.54 | larsl | BackgroundRenderer.cxx:46: warning: `bool useMoonTexture' defined but not used |
| 19:15.01 | larsl | Is it OK to remove that variable? |
| 19:15.03 | Patlabor221 | ohh I didn't remove that |
| 19:15.08 | Patlabor221 | just comment it out |
| 19:15.20 | Patlabor221 | it's uses are presently commented out too |
| 19:15.22 | mobile | TimRiker: I can remove the initial entry from cvs, but that one should be added. Had a discussion with that admin (knightmare) who was rather adament on abusing the list. |
| 19:15.50 | Patlabor221 | you actualy talked to him? |
| 19:15.51 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/BackgroundRenderer.cxx: Commented out useMoonTexture, it's not used yet |
| 19:15.56 | mobile | yes i did |
| 19:16.05 | mobile | rather humorous conversation |
| 19:16.09 | Patlabor221 | did he say why he's runnning a sever that dosn't work? |
| 19:16.35 | mobile | no, when I talked to him, it was still working |
| 19:16.53 | mobile | i actually talked to him while on his server |
| 19:16.55 | Patlabor221 | wonder what he broke whilst hacking at it |
| 19:17.20 | mobile | he threatened to "take the list server down" if we tried to do anything |
| 19:17.24 | Patlabor221 | did the list server get updated to fix the exploit he was using? |
| 19:17.28 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 19:17.45 | larsl | I think the sorting changed, so he's not at the top anymore. |
| 19:17.55 | mobile | he said he was going to start training others on how to do what he does as well |
| 19:18.04 | bryjen | the client got changed not to sort by bogus player counts ( current > allowed ) |
| 19:18.07 | mobile | has a website up |
| 19:18.12 | Patlabor221 | just add a hardcode block for knightmare to the silly thing :) |
| 19:18.22 | mobile | i did :) |
| 19:18.28 | larsl | mobile: Yes, I saw that - lots of empty forums. |
| 19:18.36 | bryjen | his ip changes, no? |
| 19:18.48 | Patlabor221 | oh he' hosts it on his home machine? |
| 19:18.48 | bryjen | or is it by that hostname? |
| 19:19.02 | mobile | easy enough to make it by either |
| 19:19.18 | mobile | but it's presently by matching the ip |
| 19:19.31 | larsl | Does it take IP masks too? |
| 19:19.42 | mobile | i had added matching the server name as well, but removed it right before I commited |
| 19:19.53 | mobile | no, it's a trivial match ip, die |
| 19:20.11 | mobile | should make a client not get a server list as well |
| 19:20.35 | mobile | will be interesting :) |
| 19:20.37 | Patlabor221 | heh, then he will think he "won" and took the server down :) |
| 19:20.54 | larsl | It would be cool if he saw his server in his client, but nobody else does. =) |
| 19:21.02 | larsl | s/does/did/ |
| 19:23.23 | bryjen | hmm. the 2nd level of his domain, "k-a".net, belongs to dyndns.org. IP blocking probly won't last long. |
| 19:24.02 | larsl | Hm, bzadmin won't build on Solaris. Curses header problems. |
| 19:25.04 | mobile | larsl: i copied the irix curses.h header into include/ and made the waddstr const fix (there was also an int bool in there that I had to remove) |
| 19:25.14 | mobile | might work for you |
| 19:27.11 | larsl | I can't understand why someone defines erase() and clear() macros in a library header. |
| 19:27.39 | mobile | ah solaris has that too? |
| 19:27.45 | larsl | Yes. |
| 19:27.51 | larsl | Looks like everyone but ncurses has. |
| 19:28.02 | mobile | all that predates stl by like 10 or 15 years |
| 19:28.14 | larsl | But still, those are pretty general names. |
| 19:28.42 | Patlabor221 | Tim is there any reson for the shield hits veto? |
| 19:28.53 | Patlabor221 | an if it's perma veto why keep it in the todo? |
| 19:30.36 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/TODO: remove that what was done |
| 19:30.51 | mobile | larsl, that's what the NOMACROS define was for irix.. |
| 19:31.21 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/caution.png: use caution.png from pybzflag since that one is the best one I ever made. |
| 19:31.31 | larsl | Yes, I figured that. Did the real header file recognize that, or did you hack it? |
| 19:31.42 | mobile | it already recognized that |
| 19:31.43 | larsl | Maybe there's something similar for Solaris. |
| 19:31.50 | mobile | had too major sections |
| 19:31.52 | mobile | er, two |
| 19:32.27 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/TODO: bzadmin does ansi colors now |
| 19:32.42 | mobile | TimRiker: I have bzadmin and bzfs working on irix.. still trying to get the client working, though |
| 19:34.53 | mobile | TimRiker: I don't have admin to do a proper install on irix, nor do I remember exactly how to make an inst package for it regardless. Do we have anything in bz that will try to do the deed? |
| 19:37.22 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr, do you know if there is a way to bump up the number of flags on a server without shutting it down? |
| 19:37.57 | Patlabor221 | is the texture repeat on the top one of these 2 too much? |
| 19:37.58 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/2tex.png |
| 19:38.18 | Grumbler | yes |
| 19:38.24 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 19:38.30 | Grumbler | np |
| 19:38.31 | captain_proton | yay, cvs is back |
| 19:38.41 | Noodleman_laptop | :-) |
| 19:39.14 | Tupone | I prefer the lowest |
| 19:40.00 | larsl | Ha, looks like Solaris uses NOMACROS too - I used the code from anonymous CVS so I didn't get your NOMACROS fix. |
| 19:40.08 | mobile | yea, top is too much -- better camo, though :) |
| 19:40.23 | Patlabor221 | same camo, just 2x repeat |
| 19:41.10 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: simple simple simple. multiple shots for a kill would change gameplay. the double should for shield is enough imho. |
| 19:41.23 | Patlabor221 | it would be an optiopn |
| 19:41.27 | Patlabor221 | people like otions |
| 19:41.28 | Patlabor221 | but ok |
| 19:41.37 | Tupone | problem, IMHO, we cannot distinguish easily tank if camo is too much |
| 19:41.37 | Patlabor221 | then should it be fremoved from the todo? |
| 19:41.45 | Patlabor221 | heh, camo that works :) |
| 19:42.15 | TimRiker | mobile: there should be makefile hanging around for irix. I've never gotten my irix box development env working so I've never done a build. |
| 19:42.28 | TimRiker | might be useful to try the 1.7 stuff so you have a reference. |
| 19:43.16 | TimRiker | Grumbler: the flag array is allocated on connect to a server. it cannot be adjusted. You can have inactive flags though and then have them drop later. |
| 19:44.28 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: you can put it in a !TODO list. ;-) along with % damage on tanks. |
| 19:44.34 | Tupone | TimRiker: did you see learner message about bzfls? |
| 19:44.53 | Patlabor221 | umm ok, I ausme that measn I can remove it then |
| 19:45.09 | Grumbler | TimRiker, thnx |
| 19:45.10 | TimRiker | heh. I suppose. |
| 19:45.26 | TimRiker | Tupone: nope. what about? |
| 19:45.37 | captain_proton | TimRiker: i was wondering what you thought about redoing all the cmdline options for 1.12 |
| 19:45.59 | TimRiker | captain_proton: I'm no fan of the current stuff that's for certian. |
| 19:46.14 | Tupone | learner put in a filter to exclude certain ip to be in the list server |
| 19:46.14 | TimRiker | captain_proton: proposal? |
| 19:46.14 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/TODO: remove that what is to NOT be done |
| 19:46.37 | mobile | captain_proton: there are task items on sf that include changing the current cmdline options |
| 19:46.48 | Patlabor221 | dmanit I know there was one more thing I wanted to do for 10.4 |
| 19:46.51 | TimRiker | Tupone: yeah, digging through email, should get to that soon. |
| 19:47.36 | Nidhoggr | what was your tracking URL for servers again, Tim? |
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| 19:48.01 | TimRiker | http://db.bzflag.org/db/ <- that one? |
| 19:48.12 | TimRiker | or the mrtg list on http://list.bzflag.org/ ? |
| 19:48.14 | Nidhoggr | no.. users, etc. |
| 19:48.15 | Nidhoggr | yeah |
| 19:48.32 | captain_proton | TimRiker: nothing yet, just wanted to see how receptive you were to changing things |
| 19:49.25 | Tupone | the new one http://db.bzflag.org/db/ learner put on CVS a patch |
| 19:49.44 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 19:50.32 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx: Don't name unused parameters |
| 19:51.06 | captain_proton | larsl: looks like maybe the detection for various curses headers is wrong? its saying i have curses.h but not ncurses.h ?? |
| 19:51.08 | mobile | TimRiker: we've been using the sf task manager for long term planning and discussion. it's been rather helpful already for clearing up some plans and let others know where we're going with everything. |
| 19:51.36 | larsl | captain_proton: I think it looks for curses.h first. |
| 19:51.39 | Nidhoggr | are we even tracking stats off the serverlist? |
| 19:51.45 | larsl | You can configure --with-ncurses |
| 19:51.47 | mobile | if it's short term/active, it probably doesn't warrant getting written down as a task item |
| 19:52.12 | larsl | And ncurses does include a curses.h on many systems. |
| 19:52.56 | sussudio | new textures. eyes. hurt. |
| 19:53.09 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: huh? |
| 19:53.15 | captain_proton | well - CursesUI::handleResize does stuff differently if you've got ncurses.h |
| 19:53.20 | captain_proton | so perhaps it should look for that first? |
| 19:53.24 | larsl | It does? |
| 19:53.42 | larsl | I thought I added all stuff that it does differently in pdcurses_adapter.h. |
| 19:53.48 | captain_proton | that's where i got errors right before your last commit |
| 19:53.50 | mobile | larsl, part of irix patch |
| 19:53.54 | larsl | Ah. |
| 19:54.03 | Nidhoggr | KM is using a hacked bzfs to make it look like he has constant 30 users... I was wondering if we even kept track of that over time. |
| 19:54.04 | mobile | this curses didn't have wresize |
| 19:54.37 | larsl | I wrote bzadmin assuming that the curses lib was ncurses-compatible, and then added wrappers for pdcurses in pdcurses_adapter.h. |
| 19:55.01 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: not at present no. we just know the current value. I run mrtg and stats.b.o does similar but neither are internal to the list server yet. |
| 19:55.10 | Nidhoggr | too bad noone has pdcurses working for vc71 |
| 19:55.18 | Nidhoggr | cool, tim. |
| 19:55.46 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ooh, sexy flag :) |
| 19:56.51 | CIA-5 | 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 19:56.51 | CIA-5 | generalize DEBUGn() across the entire project (rather than just bzfs), and |
| 19:56.51 | CIA-5 | use it to make bzflag shut up a bit when --enable-debug is on. |
| 19:56.59 | CIA-5 | 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:56.59 | CIA-5 | generalize DEBUGn() across the entire project (rather than just bzfs), and |
| 19:57.01 | CIA-5 | use it to make bzflag shut up a bit when --enable-debug is on. |
| 19:57.21 | captain_proton | hmm, interesting |
| 19:58.49 | mobile | cappy: apparently most of my build woes were related to some files getting built using a different abi, and prebuilt/linked with another |
| 19:59.14 | mobile | libC and libCio are linked automatically by the c++ compiler too |
| 19:59.32 | captain_proton | mobile: that's what my guess was |
| 19:59.39 | captain_proton | and why i kept asking you which libraries ;) |
| 20:00.12 | captain_proton | mobile: are you doing both n32 and o32 builds? |
| 20:00.30 | mobile | most all of the stl is in the headers, but there are some runtime components in libCio |
| 20:00.48 | mobile | I wasn't planning on doing o32, but we'll see if I can get n32 completed first :) |
| 20:01.05 | mobile | trying an optimized build now |
| 20:01.38 | mobile | using CC -DEFAULT:abi=n32:isa=mips4:proc=r10k -LANG:std -O3 |
| 20:01.59 | captain_proton | what system are you on? |
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| 20:02.25 | mobile | this one's an O200, i believe |
| 20:02.51 | Nidhoggr | I wish one of the bootable cd-linux dists would recognize my netgear wireless card. |
| 20:02.57 | Nidhoggr | then I could do some testing and stuff in linux. |
| 20:03.19 | captain_proton | um |
| 20:03.24 | captain_proton | isn't o200 a server? |
| 20:03.49 | captain_proton | maybe you mean onyx2? |
| 20:03.49 | sussudio | will a voodoo3 give me good bzflag performance? |
| 20:04.10 | mobile | nope, I mean an O200 ;) it is indeed a server |
| 20:04.16 | captain_proton | ah |
| 20:04.33 | captain_proton | we have an o200, but i don't think it was installed with any graphics libraries |
| 20:05.20 | mobile | i can't get to any of the o2's remotely or I would have probably used that |
| 20:06.16 | captain_proton | eh |
| 20:06.23 | captain_proton | o200 is a lot better for building things than o2 ;) |
| 20:06.30 | mobile | =) |
| 20:07.30 | mobile | dang it.. compiler crapped out |
| 20:07.49 | mobile | ### Compiler Error in file playing.cxx during Assembly phase: |
| 20:07.49 | mobile | ### label 11 doesn't have defining bb? |
| 20:07.50 | mobile | CC INTERNAL ERROR: /usr/lib32/cmplrs/be returned non-zero status 1 |
| 20:08.07 | mobile | *sigh* |
| 20:08.24 | captain_proton | ick |
| 20:08.34 | captain_proton | this is why i use fw_gcc instead of mipspro ;) |
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| 20:13.07 | mobile | mipspro should significantly outperform, though ;) |
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| 20:16.31 | captain_proton | well, there's that, and i don't actually have a copy of mipspro |
| 20:16.31 | mobile | I've found their compiler to be the most "correct" and best optimizing, just behind on standards and certain bugs |
| 20:16.31 | mobile | they had a gem of a compiler team.. shame they lost them |
| 20:16.32 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 20:16.32 | captain_proton | i think most of them moved to intel |
| 20:16.32 | mobile | and ibm |
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| 20:17.19 | Nidhoggr | hi mozul! |
| 20:17.19 | Nidhoggr | happy anniversary. |
| 20:17.19 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:17.19 | mozul | HI thanks. |
| 20:17.19 | mobile | hrm.. apparently that was internal optimization table limit that was hit too much with playing.cxx.. I can bypass it with -OPT:Olimit=0 or use -O2 |
| 20:19.31 | TimRiker | Tupone, others: I added km to the apache ban list. have him email me when he wants to play nice. |
| 20:19.31 | Tupone | great! |
| 20:20.03 | captain_proton | what was he doing? |
| 20:20.25 | Tupone | reporting wrong stat to be the first |
| 20:20.44 | bryjen | spoofing that his server had 30 players all the time to the list server |
| 20:20.55 | captain_proton | heh |
| 20:21.12 | TimRiker | should take 30 minutes and then exipre him from the list. |
| 20:21.24 | mobile | TimRiker: when I warned him about getting banned, he told me to "eat sh*t" |
| 20:22.02 | captain_proton | people suck |
| 20:22.05 | mobile | :) |
| 20:22.31 | bryjen | mostly people that aren't me. ;) |
| 20:23.38 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 20:24.31 | bryjen | somebody (Tupone?) fixed the client so it wouldn't sort invalid max/current players stats to the top... that' cuts down on the usefullness of that hack. but the fixed client has to get released... |
| 20:24.33 | TimRiker | anyone got an email contact for km? |
| 20:25.07 | TimRiker | bryjen: that's really the wrong place to do the fix. |
| 20:25.16 | TimRiker | a bzfls patch to do the same would be welcome. |
| 20:25.42 | bryjen | the client sorts the list itself, not the l-s |
| 20:25.44 | TimRiker | current > max should not be allowed on the list server. |
| 20:25.58 | bryjen | oh, well, yeah, that. :) |
| 20:26.19 | Tupone | TimRiker: You remember all data are in hex format |
| 20:26.31 | Tupone | not too easy for me |
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| 20:28.06 | Kaddar | hey |
| 20:28.16 | bryjen | ah, ye ol blob of data. it'd make a much bigger URL to break it out into more foo=bar pairs |
| 20:28.52 | mobile | yea, I'd rather see everything as vars instead of that encoded opaque mess |
| 20:30.43 | TimRiker | Tupone: heh. I'll get to it eventually. |
| 20:31.41 | Tupone | If we have banned it, that fix / hack ... we can remove |
| 20:32.35 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: bzfls fixes |
| 20:33.06 | TimRiker | Tupone: nod. I figure the apache setup is fine atm. need one driven by an sql table with ban messages in the furture. |
| 20:33.10 | TimRiker | er future. |
| 20:34.01 | Tupone | agree on that, but firewall is still the best solution for him |
| 20:34.18 | TimRiker | so bzfs shows "this ip had been banned by <bzfuser> because: abuse of player counts" or similar. |
| 20:34.35 | TimRiker | anyone have an email contact for km? |
| 20:35.55 | DTRemenak | try root@knightmare.kicks-ass.net, that's what his e-mail link on his webpage points to |
| 20:41.15 | *** part/#bzflag mozul (~KBC18135@130.221.56.188) |
| 20:42.28 | Blessed_SportChi | ~seen Chestal |
| 20:42.44 | | chestal is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 449 messages. Is idling for 23h 28m 42s |
| 20:42.45 | captain_proton | looks like the +f team thin in TODO is done? |
| 20:42.45 | mobile | yes |
| 20:42.52 | mobile | ~botsnack |
| 20:42.52 | | :), mobile |
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| 20:43.10 | captain_proton | hrm, cvs is being cranky again |
| 20:43.12 | mobile | howdy jb |
| 20:43.16 | JBdiGriz | hiya |
| 20:43.32 | JBdiGriz | are you in alabama this week? |
| 20:43.47 | CIA-5 | 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/TODO: 'tis done |
| 20:44.09 | Blessed_SportChi | anyone know if the post office is open today? |
| 20:44.12 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: thanx |
| 20:44.20 | Blessed_SportChi | in US |
| 20:44.21 | mobile | heh, no |
| 20:44.21 | DTRemenak | n/p |
| 20:45.28 | JBdiGriz | Blessed_SportChi, the post office, and most banks are closed today. |
| 20:45.49 | Blessed_SportChi | okay thanks. :( |
| 20:46.03 | Blessed_SportChi | was hoping the next netflix movie would be in today |
| 20:46.17 | Blessed_SportChi | oh...but wait...nm.. I wouldn't have chance to see it tonight anyway |
| 20:46.43 | JBdiGriz | hopefully, you're doing something fun anyway. |
| 20:46.54 | SportChick | it's our anniversary! :) |
| 20:46.57 | SportChick | very fun |
| 20:47.34 | JBdiGriz | It's a good thing you remembered. :) |
| 20:47.57 | SportChick | I already remembered..but am soooo trained to go to the PO Box every day...didn't wanna go unnecessarily |
| 20:48.05 | SportChick | okay, but gonna go run other errands |
| 20:48.08 | SportChick | bbl |
| 20:49.43 | sussudio | badgerbadgerbadger |
| 20:49.44 | mobile | any bets on what km responds with? |
| 20:49.56 | Chestal | narrow bug is gone, isn't it? |
| 20:50.36 | SportChick | ~weather KLAX |
| 20:50.47 | SportChick | hmmm COLD |
| 20:52.15 | captain_proton | that's a pretty crappy way to do the scalings :P |
| 20:52.19 | captain_proton | but oh well |
| 20:52.30 | TimRiker | DEBUGn() changes: |
| 20:52.58 | TimRiker | my understanding is that cout and printf are not supposed to be used in the same app. |
| 20:53.10 | TimRiker | bzfs was all printf and bzflag was all cout. |
| 20:53.20 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 20:53.23 | TimRiker | the DEBUGx() changes/breaks this. |
| 20:55.01 | captain_proton | remind me why bzfs is all printf? |
| 20:56.03 | mobile | not strictly true.. libcommon uses cout/cerr in a couple places, as does bzfs.cxx itself |
| 20:56.10 | Chestal | you can mix them IIRC, bu tI am not sure if there is a standard way to guarantee that it works |
| 20:56.18 | Chestal | I think gcc synchs them by default |
| 20:56.23 | mobile | yea |
| 20:57.19 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:57.29 | captain_proton | Patlabor221's tank changes cause depth buffer artifacts with N |
| 20:58.30 | CIA-5 | 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (16 files in 2 dirs): artifacts are better than incorrect sizes |
| 21:01.55 | stibnite | weird |
| 21:02.12 | stibnite | is autokick for tank too fast when one has burrow a known bug? a bug at all? |
| 21:02.36 | *** join/#bzflag RC (Chikorita@AC99424A.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:03.24 | Tupone | that is a pretty new bug! bug being generated today? |
| 21:03.37 | Tupone | stibnite: how old is your build |
| 21:03.46 | DTRemenak | how old is the server build? |
| 21:04.20 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:04.40 | Tupone | hi Chikorita |
| 21:04.55 | Patlabor221 | wiht N? |
| 21:04.57 | Patlabor221 | splain? |
| 21:05.14 | Patlabor221 | all I did was add some faces |
| 21:05.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the N flag flattens the tank, right? |
| 21:05.17 | RC_cola | hi Tupone |
| 21:05.29 | captain_proton | apprently to the point where a couple of your faces are coplanar |
| 21:05.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah, but it's calling the same old code |
| 21:05.40 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm |
| 21:05.42 | mobile | time to get some grub |
| 21:05.45 | stibnite | i would guess that it is 6 hours old |
| 21:05.47 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 21:05.50 | captain_proton | i think its the insides of the treads that's doing it |
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| 21:06.02 | Patlabor221 | yeah the inside of the treads and the new sides are planar |
| 21:06.10 | stibnite | 20040119 |
| 21:06.19 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 21:06.25 | DTRemenak | unmodified client? |
| 21:06.37 | stibnite | that's the server build, I mean |
| 21:06.43 | DTRemenak | e.g. uses burrow speed for burrow |
| 21:07.04 | stibnite | the client is the 20031211 one, no mods |
| 21:07.15 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the weasel solution would be to make the tank a bit thicker with N |
| 21:07.16 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 21:07.17 | captain_proton | :) |
| 21:08.11 | DTRemenak | I added cheat checking on burrow so a player couldn't travel normal speed when burrowed without getting kicked, but that was maybe 2.5 hrs ago |
| 21:08.42 | captain_proton | TimRiker: you never answered my printf question ;) |
| 21:08.56 | stibnite | well, it was checked out from sf's anoncvs anyway; isn't there still a pretty long lag between dev and anon cvs? |
| 21:09.11 | DTRemenak | undoubtedly |
| 21:09.14 | captain_proton | there shouldn't be anymore, i think |
| 21:09.24 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 21:09.39 | stibnite | hrm, looks like the binary is in fact less than 2.5 hours old |
| 21:10.18 | stibnite | 2hrs 26minutes |
| 21:10.45 | DTRemenak | I tested only on localhost, maybe lag throws it off |
| 21:11.41 | stibnite | well that's what hashmark is running, I'll see if it is reproducible |
| 21:12.17 | larsl | DTRemenak: Why is maxPlanarSpeedSqr multiplied with BURROWSPEEDAD^2 instead of just BURROWSPEEDAD? |
| 21:12.41 | Patlabor221 | cap what other solution is tehre? |
| 21:12.53 | Patlabor221 | can't turn off parts based on flags, they are all in the same list |
| 21:13.00 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well, ideally we'd have separate models based on flag |
| 21:13.05 | DTRemenak | it should be identical to the code for V |
| 21:13.11 | DTRemenak | should it not be? |
| 21:13.21 | captain_proton | (at least, that's my ideal world) |
| 21:13.22 | Patlabor221 | well we are not ideal |
| 21:13.24 | Patlabor221 | how bad is it |
| 21:13.26 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 21:13.32 | Patlabor221 | got a screenie? |
| 21:13.50 | larsl | V increases the speed, so squaring it makes the limit higher than the max speed. |
| 21:13.51 | Patlabor221 | N makes it totaly 2d? |
| 21:14.08 | Chestal | larsl: maxPlanarSpeedSqr is the square of the max speed |
| 21:14.09 | larsl | BURROWSPEEDAD lowers the maxspeed, so squaring it puts the limit below the maxspeed. |
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| 21:14.14 | larsl | Ah. |
| 21:14.17 | bryjen | its not straight speed, its speed^2 as well |
| 21:14.18 | larsl | Never mind then. =) |
| 21:14.18 | Chestal | larsl: probably some kind of premature optimization to avoid sqrt |
| 21:16.26 | DTRemenak | hm, burrowed tanks travel at normal speed until they're all the way underground |
| 21:16.30 | Patlabor221 | wonder how difrent 0.01 looks from 0.0 |
| 21:16.39 | stibnite | yeah dt, it was instantaneous |
| 21:16.53 | stibnite | and as it happens, around the same time, somebody got hit with their own GM |
| 21:16.57 | stibnite | so lag |
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| 21:20.52 | captain_proton | <captain_proton> remind me why bzfs is all printf? |
| 21:21.39 | TimRiker | hmm. because? I'm fine with converting it to cout if the DEBUGx() macros are still there. ;-) |
| 21:22.24 | captain_proton | alrighty |
| 21:22.42 | Patlabor221 | anyone got a server with N on it |
| 21:22.47 | Patlabor221 | and can sit there with N on |
| 21:23.09 | captain_proton | if its ok, i'll convert the DEBUGx() to real functions that just do an snprintf+cout |
| 21:23.34 | TimRiker | just FYI, I'm having to kill/restart mysql about 40 times a day on the list server. |
| 21:23.41 | captain_proton | err, not real functions :) |
| 21:23.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ew |
| 21:23.51 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 21:24.39 | Patlabor221 | could make a platform fucntion like "outputDebugString()" |
| 21:24.44 | Patlabor221 | then we can all do it how we want |
| 21:24.54 | Patlabor221 | TRACE in debug, and log in release |
| 21:25.03 | TimRiker | mysql continues to leak processes. I suspect that when a client drops the connection to apache before the mysql gets shutdown, it hangs that mysql session. |
| 21:25.29 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: I'm fine with that too. patches welcome. |
| 21:25.53 | Patlabor221 | well if caps in the midst of chanign it |
| 21:26.03 | TimRiker | ;-) |
| 21:26.28 | Patlabor221 | anyone got a server I can test N on? |
| 21:26.28 | TimRiker | captain_proton: one function that takes an arg, and then macros that call it. right? |
| 21:26.34 | Patlabor221 | like in the next 15 min? |
| 21:26.47 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx: Readded the parameter name so it works when HAVE_NCURSES_H is defined, now it won't work when we're using curses.h instead |
| 21:26.51 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: xmission has +f good so it's there someplace. |
| 21:27.04 | Patlabor221 | I need somone else to go get it so I can look at them |
| 21:27.16 | Nidhoggr | I shouldn't wait so long to clean my whiteboard. |
| 21:27.27 | sussudio | N? |
| 21:27.32 | Patlabor221 | Narrow |
| 21:27.38 | TimRiker | I'm headed to another meeting... |
| 21:27.45 | Patlabor221 | I can't run 2 clients here at work |
| 21:27.46 | captain_proton | TimRiker: er, i guess so - right now i was just going to do a kind of icky macro |
| 21:27.48 | Patlabor221 | I could if I was at home |
| 21:27.58 | Patlabor221 | or I can just commit it. |
| 21:28.04 | Patlabor221 | it'll probablywork |
| 21:28.11 | sussudio | i don't think i can compile bzfs in 15 mins |
| 21:29.08 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/geometry/TankSceneNode.cxx: give the narrow tank the ever smallest amount of thickness so the z buffer dosn't get all farked. |
| 21:29.13 | captain_proton | hmm, maybe i can do this in a function simply |
| 21:31.15 | bryjen | Patlabor221: bryjen.bzflag.org |
| 21:31.24 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 21:31.44 | TimRiker | captain_proton: as long as we move forward, not back. ;-) |
| 21:31.50 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 21:32.11 | captain_proton | TimRiker: about -d, bzflag already uses -d as an alias for -directory |
| 21:33.45 | Patlabor221 | scale of 0.01 is efectvly 2d but still cool for the z buffer |
| 21:33.55 | Patlabor221 | so it's fixed cap |
| 21:33.56 | bryjen | shouldn't've started -public |
| 21:34.08 | Patlabor221 | scale of 0 can have other math problems too IIRC |
| 21:34.16 | Patlabor221 | thanks bryjen |
| 21:34.21 | bryjen | yw |
| 21:34.59 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 21:37.37 | TimRiker | captain_proton: then I'd prefer -debug instead of -dbg. ok? |
| 21:37.49 | captain_proton | TimRiker: k |
| 21:37.54 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: kill the auto-away please? |
| 21:46.48 | DTRemenak | hm...the time it takes a player to burrow is determined by gravity |
| 21:48.05 | bryjen | need to check for flag=burrow AND z=burrow depth ? |
| 21:49.16 | bryjen | hrm. that might lead to a parallel to the bouncing high speed cheat. bouncing burrow ;) |
| 21:50.14 | larsl | Wouldn't it make more sense to slow down a tank as soon as its below ground level? |
| 21:50.27 | larsl | Instead of waiting until it has reached the burrow depth. |
| 21:59.05 | CIA-5 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Only check burrow speed if there's no z motion |
| 21:59.08 | *** join/#bzflag SC (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 21:59.23 | DTRemenak | stibnite: that should fix it |
| 22:00.54 | DTRemenak | it would be better to keep track of the time the flag was grabbed, then calculate (from gravity) the time it should take to burrow, and only exclude checks for that time |
| 22:01.03 | CIA-5 | 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 22:01.03 | CIA-5 | Convert the DEBUGx() macros to use a function that vformats and then uses cout. |
| 22:01.03 | CIA-5 | This is in preparation for migrating bzfs to use C++ streams |
| 22:05.16 | SportChick | mmmm sushi |
| 22:06.38 | CIA-5 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Add FIXME for burrow cheat checking: better to use time than position |
| 22:11.27 | captain_proton | har |
| 22:11.27 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.28 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.34 | captain_proton | that's wonderful |
| 22:12.52 | larsl | =) |
| 22:18.26 | larsl | Hm, problems with the #ifdefs in CursesUI.cxx. When HAVE_NCURSES_H is defined GCC will abort because of an unused named parameter, and if I remove the parameter name I will get a compilation error when HAVE_NCURSES_H is defined. |
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| 22:26.29 | Death_Barrel | http://jo.zan.hu/poen/pictures/pictures_2/AUSSIE_W.jpg |
| 22:26.31 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 22:27.56 | sussudio | Death_Barrel: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
| 22:31.34 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 22:31.36 | Death_Barrel | http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/swf/scampi.html? |
| 22:32.02 | sussudio | badgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 22:32.33 | Death_Barrel | sussudio: http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/swf/ogfull.html? |
| 22:32.51 | Death_Barrel | >>> http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/swf/mamejump.html? |
| 22:33.12 | Death_Barrel | make sure your volume is up for this one!! >>> http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/swf/hand-eye_sabotage.html? |
| 22:33.54 | sussudio | mushroom? |
| 22:34.16 | Death_Barrel | carrots, handbags, cheese, russians, toilets.... |
| 22:34.23 | sussudio | bunnies |
| 22:34.55 | Death_Barrel | i want to live in an octopuss garden!! |
| 22:35.24 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 22:35.46 | Death_Barrel | a snake!! snake!! |
| 22:37.28 | Death_Barrel | http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/swf/net.html? |
| 22:42.40 | Noodleman | big disk with all me stuff on it! |
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| 22:49.39 | Grumbler | sussudio, very twisted, but somehow interesting........ |
| 22:51.13 | captain_proton | yay, a good number of printfs in bzflag proper |
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| 22:59.29 | SportChick | learner, grumbler: 14:58 on galkire.net: scrambling "well if" when in this sentence: "well if the thing is to improve my vocabulary..." |
| 23:03.12 | SportChick | FYI, that's 14:58 PST |
| 23:03.44 | mobile | thx, sport chick |
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| 23:07.42 | Grumbler | mobile, the line was |
| 23:07.47 | Grumbler | well if the thing is to expand my vocabulary then how bout my spelling? it is rather bad after all |
| 23:08.05 | Grumbler | the result was |
| 23:08.16 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.38 | mobile | cool, thx |
| 23:08.42 | Grumbler | np |
| 23:09.08 | JBdiGriz | Grumbler, you really shouldn't use language like that :) |
| 23:09.20 | *** join/#bzflag chatelaine (~aec@dev.gibbscam.com) |
| 23:10.52 | Grumbler | :) |
| 23:12.45 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/misc/bzflsMy.php: banlist needs work. leave first rev in place for now, currently use htaccess so values disabled |
| 23:12.52 | CIA-5 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: use -time to set a fixed Time Of Day |
| 23:14.43 | Nidhoggr | ~bzflist |
| 23:14.52 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 23:15.25 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist17 |
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| 23:19.55 | CIA-5 | 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (9 files in 4 dirs): the great streams migration. still a few stragglers left in platform code |
| 23:24.01 | mobile | the new ibm linux commercial is pretty interesting |
| 23:24.40 | Nidhoggr | linux commercial? |
| 23:24.44 | Grumbler | i wondering when people are going to start complaining that its a little acid white haired, white kid |
| 23:24.51 | Nidhoggr | haven't seen it yet. |
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| 23:26.47 | yoyox | ~seen Quol |
| 23:26.56 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 18h 36m 45s ago, saying: 'OK - q2.bzflag.org and quol.bzflag.org have been updated to latest CVS code for bzfs, and is running tournament servers on 59998...'. |
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| 23:32.58 | your_dog | howdy y'all :) |
| 23:33.09 | pyrobunny | hey your dog |
| 23:33.34 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp03995358pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:48.49 | scanline | you mean.. davebot? |
| 23:48.53 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
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| 23:55.26 | scanline | Noooooooooooooo |
| 23:55.48 | scanline | there's a buffer overflow in formatDebug()! |
| 23:56.53 | captain_proton | scanline: shouldn't be |
| 23:56.56 | captain_proton | didn't i use snprintf? |
| 23:57.00 | scanline | no |
| 23:57.07 | scanline | and either way, fixed-length buffers are cheesy |
| 23:57.07 | Rubin | anyone play with a track pad? |
| 23:57.13 | captain_proton | oh no! |
| 23:57.20 | Rubin | tryin to figure out the best control scheme on this laptop |
| 23:57.43 | captain_proton | i think the string_util stuff has the same bug |
| 23:57.50 | scanline | could do one vsnprintf() with a zero-length output buffer to determine the size of the finished string, then alloca() it |
| 23:58.35 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:58.45 | orchid | Rubin: i use a laptop with a small trackball attached, bz on a buillt in trackpad or "eraserhaed" pointer isnt much fun |
| 23:59.06 | DTRemenak | string_util says that not all platforms have vsnprintf |
| 23:59.09 | Rubin | thats what i'm starting to notice |
| 23:59.22 | scanline | har |
| 23:59.33 | scanline | well, we could include our own implementation of vsnprintf() like linux does |
