irclog2html for #bzflag on 20040117

`00:00.34`	`TimRiker`	`larsl: playerlist does not update IPs for long player names. (at least a long one on xmission)`
`00:00.37`	`TimRiker`	`~xmission`
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`00:03.49`	`larsl`	`Bleh, this parsing is messy.`
`00:03.53`	`orchid`	`hi j`
`00:04.01`	`jolly`	`hey ang`
`00:04.27`	`larsl`	`TimRiker: Can we add binary messages for administrative information (IP addresses, full banlist info etc) after next protocol breaking?`
`00:04.33`	`larsl`	`Only sent to admins of course.`
`00:05.22`	`CIA-5`	`03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: groups?`
`00:05.34`	`TimRiker`	`larsl: yes.`
`00:05.48`	`TimRiker`	`put em in the todo`
`00:09.28`	`CIA-5`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/TODO: Admin message wishlist`
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`00:12.53`	`orchid`	`hi SportChick`
`00:14.39`	`creeperz`	`see yu all on monday`
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`00:17.46`	`jolly`	`lol :)`
`00:17.49`	`Blue_Beard`	`;)`
`00:18.50`	`jolly`	`yeah orchid, learn some manners :)`
`00:18.59`	`orchid`	`its too late for me`
`00:19.03`	`Blue_Beard`	`Yeah.. then teach me. 0:)`
`00:19.19`	`jolly`	`lol`
`00:29.47`	`CIA-5`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: Better playerlist parsing, don't die on long callsigns`
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`00:52.26`	`michaelhhh`	`.`
`00:53.20`	`scanline`	`(`
`00:54.18`	`dizzy`	`�`
`00:54.50`	`Nidhoggr`	`literally seconda before you logged on`
`00:57.47`	`Patlabor221`	`is an array of verts, float sideVerts[3][] or float sideVerts[][3] ?`
`00:57.53`	`Patlabor221`	`been so long since I used arays`
`00:58.14`	`Tupone`	`IIRC sideVerts[][3]`
`00:58.23`	`Patlabor221`	`thanks`
`00:58.30`	`Patlabor221`	`that looks more right to me as well :)`
`00:59.52`	`michaelhhh`	`just run it and see if it crashes`
`01:00.00`	`michaelhhh`	`if it does you're wrong`
`01:00.05`	`michaelhhh`	`:)`
`01:01.12`	`michaelhhh`	`The kind of programming my little company does makes bzflag look like one of those super engineered / highly tested masterpieces`
`01:01.35`	`scanline`	`that's frightening`
`01:02.07`	`michaelhhh`	`They have this proprietary programming environment with their own language and multi-user system`
`01:02.20`	`michaelhhh`	`and if you don't program it right it crashes the the program`
`01:02.45`	`michaelhhh`	`but of course, there isn't documentation that tells how to program it right either`
`01:03.24`	`michaelhhh`	`so people pay us to come out and fix their programs that they made with our system because only we have the source to step through our own programming to figure why it's crashing`
`01:04.25`	`CIA-5`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.h LocalPlayer.cxx): lil changes to inherit`
`01:04.34`	`michaelhhh`	`It doesn't say .. No you shouldn't/can't do that .. it says Illegal Access Exception .. Ok to abort, Enter to debug`
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`01:06.31`	`mauddib`	`noodle?`
`01:07.07`	`michaelhhh`	`Of course what is more fun is that the development environment is made with the development environment - -some the same funky crashes can happen within the environment`
`01:07.53`	`CIA-5`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (RobotPlayer.cxx RobotPlayer.h): derive from LocalPlayer getting all collision check logic`
`01:08.11`	`michaelhhh`	`one of the error message was UBS Error -- Some something grandfather in Child.. something like that`
`01:08.19`	`michaelhhh`	`Can you guess what a UBS error is?`
`01:09.03`	`michaelhhh`	`That's what I asked some else when it happened...`
`01:09.15`	`michaelhhh`	`He said Unbelievable Bull S..`
`01:09.31`	`CIA-5`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: No more excuse to not let bot start at base`
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`01:16.45`	`CIA-5`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/BUGS: bot r0ckerz`
`01:17.36`	`michaelhhh`	`I was playing on my ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 and part of all the tank treads had green junk on them, and thin tanks had this green blob next to them.. it was the download version of 10.2.0 however`
`01:18.00`	`michaelhhh`	`Should I rush and open a bug report ?`
`01:18.01`	`michaelhhh`	`:)`
`01:19.04`	`michaelhhh`	`I suppose it doesn't mean didly squat any more`
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`01:22.34`	`SportChick`	`Nid you there?`
`01:23.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`what's up?`
`01:24.33`	`Blue_Beard`	`michaelhhh... do you ever feel..... alone? :)`
`01:27.33`	`michaelhhh`	`pffft`
`01:28.02`	`michaelhhh`	`I see some people have been frantically hacking away at the code`
`01:29.00`	`scanline`	`michaelhhh: try joining #commits :)`
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`01:30.11`	`michaelhhh`	`I know but then I inundated with messages`
`01:30.22`	`michaelhhh`	`ohhh.. duh`
`01:30.49`	`Blue_Beard`	`Uh oh.. the phone is ringing.`
`01:31.17`	`michaelhhh`	`ohhhhhh noooooooooo`
`01:31.23`	`Blue_Beard`	`Mr. Bill. :)`
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`01:35.05`	`Blue_Beard`	`'lo DTR. :)`
`01:35.12`	`DTRemenak`	`hello`
`01:35.28`	`Carnage_`	`hi`
`01:35.50`	`Blue_Beard`	`Oh. Carnage is here. I didn't even see him. :)`
`01:36.56`	`michaelhhh`	`fix a buffer overrun, "purple team" the longest flag name, my ass.`
`01:37.00`	`michaelhhh`	`:)`
`01:38.17`	`michaelhhh`	`Log Message:`
`01:38.17`	`michaelhhh`	`cus scanline whines a lot`
`01:40.11`	`Blue_Beard`	`With these new map parameters and stuff.... what happens if I don't say weither a pyramid is solid or shoot/drive through??`
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`01:42.12`	`michaelhhh`	`doh all those bits to update the copyright date`
`01:44.16`	`scanline`	`ooh, I found a screenshot I forgot I had`
`01:44.59`	`Blue_Beard`	`And what did you learn from that? Organization is key, isn't it, young man? No need to thank me for my fatherly advice, I'll charge it to your credit card.`
`01:45.00`	`Blue_Beard`	`:)`
`01:45.20`	`scanline`	`it's not that..`
`01:45.30`	`scanline`	`I thought all my pybzflag screenshots perished in a disk explosion`
`01:45.58`	`Blue_Beard`	`Ouch.`
`01:46.37`	`michaelhhh`	`So .. remind me .. who owns the copyright on bzflag?`
`01:46.42`	`michaelhhh`	`j/k`
`01:48.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`probably by end of next week`
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`01:54.32`	`michaelhhh`	`so really a massive plague has swept the country and you are all just dead at the keyboard, huh`
`01:55.07`	`Blue_Beard`	`Want chat? Go to a chat room (cleverly named, aren't they?). :)`
`01:59.29`	`CIA-5`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: bot r0xors`
`02:03.07`	`Grumbler`	`Blue_Beard, you get your question answered?`
`02:03.15`	`Blue_Beard`	`Sadly.. no.`
`02:03.16`	`Blue_Beard`	`:)`
`02:03.37`	`Grumbler`	`if you dont specify shootthrough or drivethrough, they are solid`
`02:03.42`	`Grumbler`	`no matter what height`
`02:04.09`	`Blue_Beard`	`Ahhh. Thank you very much. :-D`
`02:04.17`	`Grumbler`	`np`
`02:04.21`	`Blue_Beard`	`You'll get to see my new map pretty shortly.... ;-)`
`02:05.10`	`Grumbler`	`and i might have the ability to host it`
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`02:05.53`	`Blue_Beard`	`Hehe. Groovacious. :)`
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`02:22.51`	`Tupone`	`MrApathyCream: hi`
`02:23.58`	`Carnage_`	`team [a] want to match?`
`02:32.03`	`CIA-5`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: player score was overlapped`
`02:49.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`?`
`02:52.15`	`captain_proton`	`so, Patlabor222`
`02:52.17`	`captain_proton`	`made a branch yet?`
`02:52.20`	`Patlabor222`	`nidhoger you ever hear of anyone "hacking" a phone system and redirecting phone calls to global crossing support to them so they can take our calls`
`02:52.30`	`Patlabor222`	`thinking about it`
`02:52.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`hi all`
`02:52.45`	`Tupone`	`hi`
`02:52.52`	`Patlabor222`	`been "talking" to the IT guy about that statement I just made`
`02:52.58`	`Patlabor222`	`we are geting horible packet loss`
`02:53.31`	`Patlabor222`	`I just want to finish puting sides on the tank then I'll look at making a branch`
`02:53.40`	`Patlabor222`	`or you just want to do it in CVS?`
`02:53.44`	`Patlabor222`	`won't break anything`
`02:53.54`	`Patlabor222`	`working branch would be best probably`
`02:54.06`	`Patlabor222`	`can we auto merge from head on each head commit?`
`02:54.14`	`Patlabor222`	`and send a message on a confict?`
`02:55.35`	`captain_proton`	`i doubt it`
`02:55.50`	`Patlabor222`	`why not?`
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`02:56.07`	`captain_proton`	`becuase cvs sux0rs giant donkey balls`
`02:56.11`	`Patlabor222`	`is it posible to manualy run them?`
`02:56.27`	`captain_proton`	`what, merging & stuff?`
`02:56.28`	`captain_proton`	`quite`
`02:56.41`	`Patlabor222`	`yes`
`02:56.42`	`Patlabor222`	`I don't know how these thigns work`
`02:56.54`	`Patlabor222`	`I do not want to make something that can't get the bug fixes from head`
`02:57.21`	`Patlabor222`	`but I don't know enough about how CVS works`
`02:59.57`	`captain_proton`	`well - we can do periodic mergings every once in a while`
`03:00.10`	`captain_proton`	`it doesn't need to stay absolutely up to the minute`
`03:00.49`	`Patlabor222`	`true dosn't need to, just was thinking it would be cool if it could be :)`
`03:01.11`	`Patlabor222`	`once or twice a week should be fine`
`03:01.18`	`Patlabor222`	`manualy`
`03:01.27`	`Patlabor222`	`as long as I am shown how to do it`
`03:01.40`	`Nidhoggr`	`heh.`
`03:01.49`	`Nidhoggr`	`you need to brain the IT guy.`
`03:01.52`	`Nidhoggr`	`with a hammer`
`03:02.32`	`Patlabor222`	`yay here comes a loss spike!!! :)`
`03:02.45`	`Patlabor222`	`my VP was with us today so he heard it all`
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`03:02.57`	`Patlabor222`	`we are geting nasty packetloss tho`
`03:03.08`	`Patlabor222`	`and an error on the CSU/DSU`
`03:03.16`	`Patlabor222`	`"code violations"`
`03:03.21`	`Patlabor222`	`don't know what that means`
`03:03.31`	`Patlabor222`	`but globalX is running a line test`
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`03:10.48`	`michaelhhh`	`people are using vc 5 ?`
`03:10.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`apparently`
`03:13.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`w00t three day weekend`
`03:14.27`	`michaelhhh`	`I want to go the neverland ranch and cheer for Michael`
`03:14.29`	`michaelhhh`	`.........`
`03:14.41`	`michaelhhh`	`he's my hero`
`03:14.43`	`michaelhhh`	`.......`
`03:14.52`	`michaelhhh`	`not`
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`03:15.11`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ`
`03:15.27`	`michaelhhh`	`I remember when he was still human and people actually listened to his music`
`03:15.28`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o MrApathyCream] by ChanServ`
`03:15.57`	`michaelhhh`	`and people used to argue about who was better Prince or him`
`03:16.40`	`michaelhhh`	`at least Prince's nose hasn't collapsed`
`03:16.44`	`Nidhoggr`	`<--- grilling butterfiled pork chops.`
`03:17.13`	`your_dog`	`when is supper?`
`03:17.26`	`your_dog`	`i'm comin down and over ;)`
`03:17.40`	`michaelhhh`	`won't the butter melt`
`03:18.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`nids: bzfs.conf ? :) :)`
`03:20.22`	`Nidhoggr`	`MAC almost done.`
`03:20.53`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`03:21.54`	`CIA-5`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/colors.h: manual date changes`
`03:23.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`thanks`
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`03:36.42`	`Blue_Beard`	`;)`
`03:37.09`	`dizzy`	`yay, it's a mrapathycream`
`03:37.10`	`CIA-5`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: no std::strtol on win32`
`03:38.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`dizzy: heh`
`03:38.39`	`CIA-5`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: oops: no std::strtol on win32`
`03:39.07`	`Grumbler`	`dizzy, you need to lay off the cold medicine :)`
`03:39.46`	`michaelhhh`	`whats strtol?`
`03:40.03`	`michaelhhh`	`or strtok?`
`03:41.25`	`your_dog`	`ummm...`
`03:41.31`	`your_dog`	`stop the rolling toad ok?`
`03:41.32`	`dizzy`	`i need some cold medicine`
`03:41.59`	`dizzy`	`scotch on the rocks is great for my throat, but isn't doing jack for my headache`
`03:45.07`	`Blue_Beard`	`:)`
`03:45.09`	`Grumbler`	`dizzy, go to rum....or aquavit`
`03:46.12`	`Blue_Beard`	`You have just received the Amish Computer Virus. Since the Amish don't have computers, it is based on the honor system. So please delete all the files from your computer. Thank you for you cooperation.`
`03:46.14`	`Blue_Beard`	`;)`
`03:47.21`	`dizzy`	`i tried rum`
`03:47.40`	`dizzy`	`rather, am trying`
`03:52.55`	`CIA-5`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (menus.cxx menus.h): a patlabor wanted world files on the start server menu. learner provides.`
`03:54.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`Is the REQUIREIDENTIFY bug still a bug, or just a misunderstanding`
`03:55.49`	`dizzy`	`both`
`03:56.23`	`dizzy`	`since it's not a real permission, it's a side-effect of getting added to the admin group by default`
`03:56.32`	`dizzy`	`at least that's the theory`
`03:57.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`do we need to do something about it?`
`03:59.15`	`dizzy`	`probably`
`03:59.50`	`dizzy`	`the effect makes anyone that has been admin approved -- forces them to identify`
`04:00.15`	`shkoo`	`i blame larsl. :)`
`04:00.46`	`bryjen`	`convienient..`
`04:00.54`	`bryjen`	`~spell convienient`
`04:00.57`		`possible spellings for convienient: convenient conveniently convenience confinement convening Continent continent contingent convergent convent conventing convened covenant`
`04:01.07`	`Blue_Beard`	`convenient.. :-)`
`04:01.15`	`bryjen`	`ii`
`04:02.14`	`Blue_Beard`	`Grumbler; You still around?`
`04:02.39`	`Grumbler`	`yep...busy getting a server started hold on`
`04:03.02`	`Blue_Beard`	`Okies... lemme know when you're done.. and I'll show ya my new map. :)`
`04:04.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm the non-doz programmer checks in bad doz code`
`04:04.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`:)`
`04:04.38`	`Tupone`	`MrApathyCream: that is me?`
`04:04.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`no, dizzy`
`04:05.30`	`Tupone`	`it's ill! poor dizzy`
`04:05.42`	`dizzy`	`tupone, you still awake!? :)`
`04:05.43`	`bryjen`	`iz only fair for ven da doz programmers be checkink in bad *niz code ;)`
`04:05.50`	`Blue_Beard`	`Yeah.. poor, poor dizzy.`
`04:05.54`	`dizzy`	`MrApathyCream: that was all just guessing`
`04:06.16`	`Tupone`	`dizzy: yeah, if you can do`
`04:06.25`	`dizzy`	`i figured it wouldn't work :) but it's gotta be close`
`04:06.46`	`bryjen`	`is there not a way to specify join as observer with command line options?`
`04:07.30`	`bryjen`	`i guessed -team observer, but it doesn't like that.`
`04:08.21`	`captain_proton`	`whoodle`
`04:09.00`	`CIA-5`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/menus.cxx: fix the dizzyness`
`04:09.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`bryjen: it does not!! :)`
`04:09.58`	`scanline`	`waffle stompers!`
`04:10.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`04:10.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`i mean....`
`04:10.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`it does now!! :)`
`04:10.35`	`CIA-5`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: allow bzflag -team observer`
`04:11.49`	`bryjen`	`...three hours later when anon CVS catches up...`
`04:11.57`	`bryjen`	`Thx MrApathyCream !`
`04:12.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`dizzy, is selecting the world option on start server supposed to do something yet?`
`04:12.39`	`bryjen`	`it changes the world ;)`
`04:12.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`doesn't seem to`
`04:13.18`	`bryjen`	`awww`
`04:15.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`gotta love this:`
`04:15.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`charServerStartMenu::settings[] = "bfaaaaabaaaaa";`
`04:16.17`	`dizzy`	`that menu code is nasty`
`04:16.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`oh i see, worlds in the current directory`
`04:16.30`	`dizzy`	`i had to set that end of list index in like 3 or 4 places`
`04:16.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`i have none`
`04:16.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`04:16.45`	`dizzy`	`hard-coded constants all over the place`
`04:16.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes menus are gnasty`
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`04:17.21`	`Quol`	`anyone know if there is any news on the issues reported yesterday with 10.3 and the inability to connect to the server after a while?`
`04:18.01`	`dizzy`	`MrApathyCream: that world code still needs to be tweaked some.. it doesn't check for collisions when adding items to the menu (which it should)`
`04:19.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm`
`04:19.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`is BZDB.get("directory") a new thing?`
`04:19.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`quol 10.3 is not specific enough --> build date?`
`04:19.46`	`Quol`	`sorry - yesterday's CVS`
`04:19.57`	`Quol`	`or maybe wednesdays..`
`04:20.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`is this the problem where we're getting MsgMessage while negotiating flags?`
`04:20.27`	`dizzy`	`directory isn't new to me, though it wasn't set to what I expected -- it was set to my home dir for the menu`
`04:20.28`	`Quol`	`I can't remember the error by I was talking about it with learner last night`
`04:20.29`	`Tupone`	`MrApathyCream: I think BZDB.get("directory") is 1.7g2 things`
`04:20.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`o dpm`
`04:20.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`04:20.48`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@208.48.199.220)`
`04:20.48`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ`
`04:20.57`	`Quol`	`MrApathyCream: ya - that's the one - the negotiating flags`
`04:20.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`i don't have a entry so my directory resolves to "\"`
`04:21.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`which means nothing on win :)`
`04:21.28`	`dizzy`	`heh, so append C: like the other :)`
`04:21.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`Quol: the only thing i can think of is the new require identify thing`
`04:21.33`	`Patlabor221`	`are they puting nixisms in the software`
`04:21.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`yessir`
`04:21.48`	`Patlabor221`	`for what?`
`04:21.56`	`Patlabor221`	`and what if you don't have a C drive?`
`04:22.04`	`Quol`	`MrApathyCream: so no updates then - it may still be broken??`
`04:22.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`it probably is`
`04:23.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`what's the winapi for getting the roots`
`04:24.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah GetLogicalDrives`
`04:25.34`	`dizzy`	`if they don't have a c drive, I don't think bz will presently run.. I've run into c: in one or two places elsewhere`
`04:26.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`no need to propogate the myth`
`04:27.04`	`dizzy`	`:)`
`04:28.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`someone needs to write a bzgl xplat file picker`
`04:29.04`	`Patlabor221`	`can somone type back when they see this?`
`04:29.07`	`dizzy`	`that code really poked yet again at the need for some sort of directory handling in libcommon or libplatform`
`04:29.13`	`CIA-5`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/menus.cxx: protect against bzdb directory not set`
`04:29.50`	`dizzy`	`when we see what?`
`04:29.53`	`Patlabor221`	`that :)`
`04:29.59`	`dizzy`	`heh`
`04:30.12`	`Patlabor221`	`could put OSFile and OSDir into BZflag`
`04:30.26`	`Patlabor221`	`give you platform indepenendet file IO and dir scans`
`04:34.18`	`Grumbler`	`Blue_Beard, ok, whats up?`
`04:35.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`awww thats purdy`
`04:35.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: yes we should maybe in 1.12`
`04:36.31`	`CIA-5`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/menus.cxx: get world search working on doze`
`04:37.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`grumbler?`
`04:37.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah`
`04:37.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`never mind`
`04:37.17`	`Patlabor221`	`timeframe on that?`
`04:37.22`	`Patlabor221`	`and what should I name a dev branch?`
`04:37.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`1.12?`
`04:37.23`	`Patlabor221`	`dev?`
`04:37.25`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`04:37.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`'real soon now'`
`04:37.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`:(`
`04:37.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: are you done with 1.10.4?`
`04:38.00`	`Blue_Beard`	`Sorry... back, Grumbler.`
`04:38.11`	`Blue_Beard`	`Can you recieve files through your IRC client?`
`04:38.30`	`Patlabor221`	`no I have 1 more thing to do`
`04:39.33`	`dizzy`	`1 more thing?`
`04:39.33`	`CIA-5`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: set fixedTime xx:xx:xx (12:34:56) from config file`
`04:39.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`there are 2 BUG entries, anything else known?`
`04:39.36`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`04:39.37`	`dizzy`	`one is fixed`
`04:39.38`	`dizzy`	`i think`
`04:39.39`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:39.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`dizzy, clean out BUGS then?`
`04:39.58`	`Grumbler`	`guess i can`
`04:40.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: hopefully we can cut 1.10.4 this week coming up`
`04:40.13`	`Grumbler`	`guess i cant`
`04:40.25`	`shkoo`	`shouldn't the dev branch be 1.11?`
`04:40.30`	`Patlabor221`	`is it suposed to get karma?`
`04:40.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`shkoo yes`
`04:40.43`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: no`
`04:40.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: karma is for 1.12`
`04:40.47`	`triclops_pb`	`dizzy: is there a reason bzflag on mac wont starting in a window with the -window option?`
`04:41.01`	`captain_proton`	`tim said earlier that there's enough stuff to get 1.10.4 out asap`
`04:41.01`	`dizzy`	`1.11 is going to be started this weekend -- no need to branch for that`
`04:41.08`	`Patlabor221`	`ok so that means in may`
`04:41.18`	`dizzy`	`triclops_pb: indeed there is -- it was never implemented`
`04:41.20`	`captain_proton`	`may+`
`04:41.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`dizzy? we're cutting 1.10.4 before this weekend?`
`04:41.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`6/19`
`04:41.38`	`captain_proton`	`:)`
`04:41.50`	`dizzy`	`6/19 is 1.12 no? :)`
`04:41.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`6/19 is 1.12`
`04:42.07`	`captain_proton`	`damn, we've missed 1.12`
`04:42.09`	`captain_proton`	`err`
`04:42.11`	`captain_proton`	`right`
`04:42.18`	`captain_proton`	`math isn't working for me right now`
`04:42.19`	`triclops_pb`	`dizzy: oh. any reason that happened?`
`04:42.21`	`captain_proton`	`and stuff`
`04:42.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`dizzy you say no 1.11 started this weekend, but no need to branch?`
`04:42.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`how's that?`
`04:42.44`	`dizzy`	`no, that 1.11 _will_ be started this weekend, so no need to branch for that`
`04:42.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`unless were cutting 1.10.4`
`04:42.46`	`Tupone`	`I prefer branching for maintenance not for devel`
`04:42.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`or branching`
`04:43.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`how can you start 1.11 without branching or without cutting a release?`
`04:43.13`	`captain_proton`	`i think we should create a 1.10-maint branch, a graphics branch, and bump head to 1.11`
`04:43.13`	`Tupone`	`so we branch 1.10.4`
`04:43.14`	`dizzy`	`right, I'd rather not branch for devel either unless it's very experimental stuff`
`04:43.28`	`dizzy`	`a maintenance branch for 1.10, sure`
`04:43.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`main for 1.10 would be good`
`04:43.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`real (pat) dev should be in head`
`04:43.56`	`dizzy`	`agree`
`04:43.59`	`Patlabor221`	`so when will you branch 1.10 and I can get on with it?`
`04:44.11`	`dizzy`	`we can do that tonight if you like`
`04:44.22`	`dizzy`	`i think we're close enough`
`04:44.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`shall we just do it or invoke the Tim spirit?`
`04:44.32`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: define "it" ?`
`04:44.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`branch 1.10`
`04:44.45`	`dizzy`	`it == make the branch`
`04:44.49`	`Patlabor221`	`well if you need to be told, then your probably too young :)`
`04:44.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`04:44.56`	`Patlabor221`	`it = do texture manager and stuff like that`
`04:44.57`	`captain_proton`	`hehehe`
`04:44.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`04:45.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok, well someone make a 1.10 main branch then`
`04:45.26`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: create a branch called graphics or somesuch`
`04:45.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`why wouldn't graphics be on head?`
`04:45.43`	`Patlabor221`	`ok`
`04:45.46`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`04:45.48`	`Patlabor221`	`what he said`
`04:45.48`	`dizzy`	`captain_proton: you opposed to a maintenance branch?`
`04:45.57`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: well - there are some serious architectural changes that need to happen`
`04:46.09`	`captain_proton`	`dizzy: didn't i suggest a maint branch above?`
`04:46.28`	`dizzy`	`i dunno, I'm a little cross-eyed tonight`
`04:46.31`	`Patlabor221`	`so do the masive changes in head :)`
`04:46.39`	`Blue_Beard`	`dizzy: It's pry the rum. :)`
`04:46.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes massive changes on two branches isn't a good idea`
`04:46.49`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: it'd be helpful to have a separate branch in which to tear things apart, so that head will at least compile&run most of the time`
`04:47.07`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: kind of like you & scanline's momentary flag branch`
`04:47.16`	`captain_proton`	`things can be merged between the two as they happen`
`04:47.24`	`dizzy`	`many of the 1.11 changes involve massive file movements, which are not at all amenable to branching`
`04:47.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: flag branch worked because (1) it was short (2) not much else was going on on the other branch`
`04:47.30`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh MAC the BZDB items I made don't seem to be seem to be setable via config, cna you look into it`
`04:47.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`04:47.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`give me an example`
`04:47.54`	`dizzy`	`so...`
`04:48.04`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: merging isn't difficult`
`04:48.06`	`dizzy`	`any last objections if I make a maintenance branch?`
`04:48.14`	`Patlabor221`	`like the qualityForTexture`
`04:48.14`	`Patlabor221`	`and all the new texture names`
`04:48.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`dizzy: no thats a definite`
`04:48.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: ok`
`04:48.24`	`captain_proton`	`when things go into head, they can be merged into the branch`
`04:48.32`	`Patlabor221`	`dizzy I have one more change to do so can you wait till tomorow?`
`04:48.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: maybe not difficult for the fist`
`04:48.33`	`captain_proton`	`and when things in the branch are completed, they can be merged into head`
`04:48.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`but then again thats why we have you`
`04:48.39`	`captain_proton`	`it all works quite easily`
`04:48.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`to tackle the tough problems`
`04:48.49`	`captain_proton`	`uhhuh`
`04:49.02`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm adding sides to the tank`
`04:49.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: dizzy: waiting a day is ok by me`
`04:49.08`	`captain_proton`	`i considered the problem of the copyright stuff, but thought tim might be upset if i stole that pleasure from him`
`04:49.12`	`Tupone`	`bye all`
`04:49.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: :)`
`04:49.18`	`orchid`	`bye Tupone`
`04:49.19`	`*** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`04:49.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`a job fitting of your expertise to be sure`
`04:50.19`	`dizzy`	`patlabor: no problem waiting`
`04:52.11`	`dizzy`	`or maybe I'll branch it and merge your changes ma�ana .. both work the same`
`04:52.22`	`Patlabor221`	`thanks, I have part of the thing done, I just need to finish 8 more faces`
`04:52.23`	`Grumbler`	`looks like someone shot artemisgames in the foot`
`04:52.33`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I have to pay them`
`04:53.09`	`Grumbler`	`that might explain it`
`04:55.26`	`CIA-5`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: specify world file on start menu gui`
`04:58.46`	`CIA-5`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/common/WordFilter.cxx: counts were off`
`04:59.00`	`orchid`	`b ye`
`04:59.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: it seems to work for me`
`04:59.31`	`CIA-5`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/BUGS: aggressive filter seems to be working just fine.. hrm`
`05:00.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`oh i see, these ones don't write`
`05:01.22`	`orchid`	`goodnight`
`05:01.26`	`dizzy`	`night`
`05:01.29`	`bryjen`	`night`
`05:01.45`	`CIA-5`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6s: the extra square brackets were not accidental`
`05:02.02`	`*** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-227-229.dialup.innercite.com)`
`05:02.17`	`dizzy`	`Oh, mac, there was a consensus earlier to make -f do team flags instead of the -c option`
`05:03.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`no good`
`05:03.58`	`dizzy`	`no?`
`05:04.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`can't allow different #'s of team flags per team`
`05:04.29`	`dizzy`	`oh?`
`05:04.39`	`bryjen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:04.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`i believe is brittle in that regard`
`05:04.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`but could be wrong`
`05:04.59`	`dizzy`	`we can add a simple check in the meantime to bork an error if they don't match`
`05:05.20`	`dizzy`	`and use the max or something`
`05:05.32`	`Nidhoggr`	`how is world size done in conf?`
`05:05.38`	`Nidhoggr`	`800x800 ?`
`05:05.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`-worldsize ?`
`05:06.13`	`Nidhoggr`	`almost done with bzfs.conf`
`05:06.55`	`bryjen`	`its not for -conf, its in the -world file`
`05:07.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`man page says it's also a command line switch for random worlds.`
`05:07.27`	`dizzy`	`it can be set in either`
`05:07.31`	`bryjen`	`ok`
`05:07.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`and since I'm fixing the bzfs.conf, thats the one I need :)`
`05:07.51`	`dizzy`	`it's just one dimension`
`05:07.56`	`dizzy`	`so -worldsize 800`
`05:07.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`like 800?`
`05:08.01`	`Nidhoggr`	`cool`
`05:08.04`	`Nidhoggr`	`thank you dizzy`
`05:08.31`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`05:08.34`	`Nidhoggr`	`MAC?`
`05:08.37`	`Nidhoggr`	`you here?`
`05:08.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`05:08.54`	`Nidhoggr`	`you want my bzfs.conf?`
`05:08.55`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`05:09.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`please`
`05:09.12`	`Nidhoggr`	`it needs review, etc.`
`05:09.15`	`Nidhoggr`	`dcc ok?`
`05:09.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes s/b`
`05:09.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`05:10.24`	`Nidhoggr`	`it's not completely alphabetical. I tried to go logically.`
`05:10.25`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm.`
`05:10.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`thats fine`
`05:10.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmm doesn't seem to be working`
`05:10.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`nope.`
`05:10.41`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm`
`05:11.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`I can stick on url to download/save`
`05:11.05`	`Nidhoggr`	`hang on.`
`05:11.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`05:11.45`	`*** join/#bzflag CIA-4 (~CIA@navi.cs.colorado.edu)`
`05:11.58`	`Nidhoggr`	`http://bzflag.secretplace.us/bzfs.conf`
`05:13.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`used man page to get a lot of the stuff that wasn't in there. hopefully I got it all.`
`05:15.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`looking`
`05:18.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`removing -r no longer used`
`05:18.13`	`Nidhoggr`	`oh. forgot :)`
`05:20.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`removing -ttl option`
`05:20.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`looks good otherwise`
`05:20.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`ok. didn't know that one was gone. :)`
`05:20.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`cool`
`05:20.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`you have cvs access?`
`05:20.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`to checkin/`
`05:20.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`?`
`05:20.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`not sure how to make it work, though.`
`05:20.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`want me to check in?`
`05:20.48`	`Nidhoggr`	`I can do it if you want to walk me through it :)`
`05:20.52`	`Nidhoggr`	`is it hard?`
`05:21.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`cvs -d:ext:nidhogger@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag commit -m "My change info here" misc/bzfs_conf.html`
`05:22.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`Hey fellas,`
`05:22.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`the call`
`05:22.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`voidStateDatabase::write(Callback callback, void* userData) const`
`05:22.41`	`Grumbler`	`Nidhoggr, you can look at the BigMadCity map....it has the world options.....if you are just curious`
`05:22.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`only writes stuff out if it's different than the default`
`05:23.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`this means that folks may not know about options available`
`05:23.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`is that what we want?`
`05:24.21`	`dizzy`	`once you have a checkout, the whole -d part is no longer necessary`
`05:24.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`Grumbler: nids is creating the prototype conf file for documenation purposes`
`05:24.29`	`CIA-4`	`03cjmandrake * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs.conf: update bzfs.conf`
`05:24.37`	`Nidhoggr`	`crosses even`
`05:24.38`	`Nidhoggr`	`w00!`
`05:24.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`w00t first time!`
`05:24.52`	`scanline`	`congrats :)`
`05:24.55`	`dizzy`	`hehe`
`05:24.55`	`Nidhoggr`	`thanks :)`
`05:25.08`	`Nidhoggr`	`now it doesn't scare me. :)`
`05:25.08`	`scanline`	`http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/cjmandrake`
`05:25.13`	`dizzy`	`no longer a cvs commit virgin. how do you feel?`
`05:25.26`	`Nidhoggr`	`kinda dirty.`
`05:25.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`blush`
`05:25.30`	`dizzy`	`hehe`
`05:25.31`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`05:25.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`awl no picture !`
`05:26.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`dizzy any opinion on the writing of default statdatabase items?`
`05:26.25`	`Nidhoggr`	`pictures?`
`05:26.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`on scanlines site`
`05:26.35`	`Nidhoggr`	`ah`
`05:26.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/dbrosius`
`05:26.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`like that`
`05:26.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm I forgot to take out those lines.`
`05:27.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`well do it and check it in again`
`05:27.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`being a non-nuub`
`05:27.49`	`Nidhoggr`	`just ttl and -r right?`
`05:27.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`that i saw anyway`
`05:28.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`oh, you could add the +f GM{10} stuff`
`05:28.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`(the {10} part)`
`05:28.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`heh.`
`05:28.42`	`CIA-4`	`03cjmandrake * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs.conf: update bzfs.conf right this time`
`05:29.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`let me add that, too.`
`05:29.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`thanks much`
`05:29.32`	`dizzy`	`aww.. shucks.. not even anywhere near the top total event count for those author stats :)`
`05:30.14`	`CIA-4`	`03cjmandrake * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs.conf: added multiple flag example`
`05:30.16`	`dizzy`	`and dave beats me be 6 :)`
`05:30.42`	`Grumbler`	`MrApathyCream, what was wrong with your html script?`
`05:31.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`dizzy heh`
`05:31.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`Grumbler: nothing that i know of`
`05:31.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`nid is working on a sample conf`
`05:31.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`two different approaches to the same thing`
`05:31.45`	`Grumbler`	`gotcha`
`05:33.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`oooh, what's the 'experimental' setting for quality in the gui options menu?`
`05:33.27`	`Grumbler`	`i always forget about the html script.....would be neat if you could bzfs -html and run the script then bzfs`
`05:33.43`	`Grumbler`	`YOU DIDNT SET IT DID YOU......OMG`
`05:33.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`grumbler, interesting idea.`
`05:34.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`grumbler, you could probably script that pretty easily.`
`05:35.04`	`Grumbler`	`yep`
`05:35.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`that would be nice`
`05:35.27`	`Grumbler`	`and for this map thingy, it actually sounds like it might be useful`
`05:35.32`	`Nidhoggr`	`yeah`
`05:36.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`now I'm all anxious for new server.`
`05:36.18`	`Grumbler`	`having to have a conf for every map will be a pain to setup.......wonder if the html can be told to read a default conf in....so i would only have to change a few things`
`05:36.48`	`Grumbler`	`i am too tired for this.....time for some wine, jimmy neutron, and sleep`
`05:36.53`	`Grumbler`	`cya`
`05:37.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`05:37.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm I don't have any wine.`
`05:37.20`	`Nidhoggr`	`I have gin, though. :)`
`05:37.39`	`Grumbler`	`whatever works`
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`05:41.43`	`Nidhoggr`	`wow. another dragon.org user decides to donate via paypal`
`05:42.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`your rich!`
`05:43.02`	`Nidhoggr`	`actually, I just ordered a new server.. so I'm poor. :)`
`05:43.14`	`Nidhoggr`	`but new server will be 100% dedicated to bzflag.`
`05:43.25`	`Nidhoggr`	`I wanted to do this for months.`
`05:44.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`now I gotta think of a hostname or maybe a domainname`
`05:45.41`	`dizzy`	`galfzb.org`
`05:45.52`	`Nidhoggr`	`heh`
`05:46.25`	`Nidhoggr`	`colomachine.com was out of their super inexpensive server, so I got second to lowest 1U server.`
`05:46.51`	`Nidhoggr`	`I dunno how they can make money on those prices.`
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`05:48.06`	`dizzy`	`what's your monthly?`
`05:48.12`	`Rubin`	`anyone use a joystick with bzflag?`
`05:48.18`	`Rubin`	`i noticed there are commandlines for it`
`05:48.20`	`Nidhoggr`	`monthly what?`
`05:48.34`	`Rubin`	`cant get them to work`
`05:48.34`	`dizzy`	`oh, that's just the hardware?`
`05:48.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`nod`
`05:48.49`	`Nidhoggr`	`I have my own colo space already.`
`05:49.02`	`dizzy`	`Rubin: can you compile?`
`05:49.18`	`Rubin`	`dizzy: i'm playing on a windows box, so no`
`05:49.37`	`Rubin`	`how about a utility that maps the joystick onto mouse movement enough to play?`
`05:50.19`	`dizzy`	`i don't believe the options work at all for windows, though I could be mistaken`
`05:50.42`	`Rubin`	`ahh`
`05:50.54`	`Rubin`	`i can supply another does of anacdotal evidence to that.`
`05:50.57`	`Rubin`	`dose`
`05:55.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes joystick never impled on windoze`
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`06:09.27`	`Rubin`	`how about this, can the mouse control be made to work more like look control in, say, duke3d (you have to be moving the mouse to be moving the tank?)`
`06:12.11`	`dizzy`	`hrm.. maybe as an option`
`06:12.31`	`dizzy`	`if you write it up as a feature request on sourceforge, someone might pick it up`
`06:13.37`	`Rubin`	`i actually may have just solved it`
`06:13.44`	`Rubin`	`freeware app on tucows called joystick2mouse 3`
`06:13.48`	`Rubin`	`it can do absolute mouse movements`
`06:13.51`	`Rubin`	`from your joystick`
`06:15.19`	`dizzy`	`if it works, and you care to write up some instructions, I'll post them up`
`06:15.38`	`dizzy`	`I'm sure there are others who might be interested`
`06:16.27`	`Rubin`	`ok`
`06:16.33`	`mmu_man`	`plop`
`06:16.37`	`Rubin`	`i'll try out various configs and provide an .xml config file for it as well`
`06:22.46`	`dizzy`	`no depoo'ing tonight?`
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`06:25.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`no`
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`06:40.47`	`HEINOLA`	`hello all`
`06:40.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`heya`
`06:40.58`	`learner`	`btw, mac, -cr should also imply 1 flag per team`
`06:41.00`	`purple_cow`	`goodness?`
`06:41.07`	`learner`	`sounds on messages`
`06:41.17`	`learner`	`goodness for chestal`
`06:41.20`	`HEINOLA`	`how goes`
`06:41.27`	`purple_cow`	`ah`
`06:41.32`	`learner`	`howdy heiny`
`06:42.46`	`HEINOLA`	`well im running my old fast system`
`06:43.03`	`HEINOLA`	`133Mhz 64MB ram`
`06:44.11`	`HEINOLA`	`until i rebuild or repair the good box lol`
`06:49.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner can you do -cr without -c?`
`06:50.05`	`learner`	`yes`
`06:51.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`06:52.33`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx CmdLineOptions.cxx CmdLineOptions.h): allow variable # of team flags per team thru +f B*{2} or +f team{4}, removed -c 4 syntax`
`06:57.18`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: make sure num team flags remains 1 with any combo of just -c and -cr`
`07:04.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner: feel free to use -c for density now if you like`
`07:04.06`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6s: doc team flag specification changes`
`07:06.31`	`learner`	`can I get someone to join brlcad.org:14246 and send team/private messages?`
`07:06.54`	`learner`	`mac: ok.. chestal wanted it more than i, but I guess I can make them consistent :)`
`07:08.07`	`learner`	`never mind with the join request`
`07:13.07`	`learner`	`shweeeet.. works like a charm`
`07:13.13`	`learner`	`but bz just crashed on me :(`
`07:13.37`	`learner`	`0 bzflag 0x00101b28 FlagSceneNode::setColor(float, float, float, float) + 0x38 (FlagSceneNode.cxx:83)`
`07:13.38`	`learner`	`1 bzflag 0x00059e14 World::initFlag(int) + 0x90 (World.cxx:448)`
`07:13.38`	`learner`	`2 bzflag 0x000a3f54 handleServerMessage(bool, unsigned short, unsigned short, void*) + 0xc54 (playing.cxx:3155)`
`07:15.50`	`learner`	`dang it :(`
`07:15.50`	`CIA-4`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/ (message_private.wav message_team.wav Makefile.am): add initial sound files for team and private messages`
`07:16.49`	`CIA-4`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/ (message_private.wav message_team.wav): sheesh`
`07:17.02`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@adsl-64-167-79-227.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`07:17.02`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ`
`07:17.19`	`Patlabor221`	`what is a state database?`
`07:17.48`	`CIA-4`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/ (message_private.wav message_team.wav): try commiting binary`
`07:18.44`	`Patlabor221`	`so tonight the IT guy acuses me of being the hacker and repsonsible for all our problems and slowdowns`
`07:19.53`	`learner`	`there's nothing wrong with being a hacker..`
`07:20.09`	`Patlabor221`	`to hack the company I work for`
`07:20.17`	`Patlabor221`	`to gain access to systems I have access to?`
`07:20.38`	`learner`	`that'd be a wierd cracker ;)`
`07:20.47`	`Patlabor221`	`umm yeah`
`07:21.01`	`Patlabor221`	`and he's dead serious`
`07:21.25`	`CIA-4`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (playing.cxx sound.cxx sound.h): enable private and team message sounds`
`07:21.28`	`Patlabor221`	`this is right after he tells me that the guy we all called at GlobalX wasn't the real guy and the call got hijacked`
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`07:24.22`	`CIA-4`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: /me hopes Chestal likes`
`07:27.09`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs_conf.html: fix extra team flags options`
`07:27.26`	`learner`	`dang.. for a patch release, it's got more features added than any prior, I think..`
`07:27.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehe`
`07:27.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`Statedatabase holds all dem vars your complaining about Patlabor221`
`07:28.13`	`Patlabor221`	`sorry about that, I kinda went nutz last week didn't I?`
`07:28.16`	`Patlabor221`	`ohhh`
`07:28.20`	`Patlabor221`	`I thought it was called BZDB`
`07:29.16`	`learner`	`BZDB == StateDatabase`
`07:29.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I see that now`
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`07:30.21`	`learner`	`welp.. I should nap so that I give my raw nose a rest`
`07:30.34`	`learner`	`I'll try the -c -cr thing in the mornin'`
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`07:33.35`	`Chikorita`	`r ther any artoo server admins here?`
`07:33.52`	`Chikorita`	`~artoo`
`07:33.58`	`purple_cow`	`kerpow!`
`07:34.52`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: fix the merge prob`
`07:34.57`	`Chikorita`	`knitemare iz on artoo cheating`
`07:35.31`	`Chikorita`	`if any1 can help , go to artoo server an help vote him off , all wee need iz 4 registered votes to kick him ther`
`07:41.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`learner did all the players on dragon.org scare you away?`
`07:50.48`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: arg, get the counts right`
`07:53.42`	`learner`	`hehe, Patlabor.. don't be sorry -- twas good stuff`
`07:53.55`	`learner`	`Nid: no, was testing new message sounds`
`07:54.07`	`learner`	`and then client crashed on me`
`07:54.57`	`Nidhoggr`	`eek!`
`07:55.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner: crash?`
`07:56.00`	`learner`	`yea`
`07:56.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`stacktrace?`
`07:56.38`	`learner`	`0 bzflag 0x00101b28 FlagSceneNode::setColor(float, float, float, float) + 0x38 (FlagSceneNode.cxx:83)`
`07:56.38`	`learner`	`1 bzflag 0x00059e14 World::initFlag(int) + 0x90 (World.cxx:448)`
`07:56.38`	`learner`	`2 bzflag 0x000a3f54 handleServerMessage(bool, unsigned short, unsigned short, void*) + 0xc54 (playing.cxx:3155)`
`07:56.52`	`Patlabor221`	`don't you get a break in the debuger when you crash so you can see what is up?`
`07:56.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`anyidea what the flag index was?`
`07:57.23`	`learner`	`Patlabor221: if i were running through the debugger, sure`
`07:57.36`	`learner`	`nope, it wasn't a debug build`
`07:58.44`	`learner`	`it's nice, though, that I get an automatic stacktrace no matter how it's run/built -- system does it automatically`
`07:59.42`	`Patlabor221`	`why would you not run in debuger?`
`07:59.55`	`Patlabor221`	`and why can't you just atach one when it pukes?`
`08:00.27`	`learner`	`if i generated core files, i could reattach and investigate better`
`08:00.49`	`learner`	`but I don't like those turds hanging around`
`08:07.08`	`learner`	`it's not obvious to me why setColor would have crashed, other that just corrupted memory or a deleted node`
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`08:18.17`	`rlundy`	`anyone know Rainbow Six?`
`08:22.25`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a tactical quad game`
`08:22.55`	`rlundy`	`have you ever played it?`
`08:23.34`	`Patlabor221`	`seen somone play it, not really my thing`
`08:24.17`	`rlundy`	`well, what I'm trying to do, is organize a petition to send to redstorm to get them to release the source code for it (its 6 years old almost)`
`08:24.37`	`Patlabor221`	`umm ok`
`08:24.42`	`rlundy`	`=/`
`08:24.48`	`rlundy`	`nm`
`08:24.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't recall the engine being that great`
`08:24.56`	`Patlabor221`	`q2 engine wasn't it?`
`08:25.10`	`Patlabor221`	`and they are still making R6 games are they not?`
`08:25.23`	`rlundy`	`yea, but the new ones use completely new stuff`
`08:25.49`	`rlundy`	`the new one (Raven shield) uses the unreal engine I think`
`08:26.08`	`Patlabor221`	`if they used a quake engine they may not have liscense to distro that source`
`08:26.52`	`rlundy`	`I don't think R6 uses q2 engine, but I could be mistaken`
`08:27.05`	`Patlabor221`	`well maybe some other engine`
`08:27.07`	`Patlabor221`	`or there own`
`08:28.54`	`Patlabor221`	`never understood why people think that if you put a lot of names in a file that will help convince a company to give away free stuff`
`08:49.26`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: started a branch yet? i want to start porting some pybzengine stuff :)`
`08:53.17`	`captain_proton`	`Nidhoggr: don't suppose you're around? :)`
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`11:23.29`	`tapo`	`when I play on bzflag.hashmark.net, I have a lag between 100 and 200. but it becomes more and more, until it is around 300ms (server warning) after around an hour. how can that happen?`
`11:27.58`	`larsl`	`tapo: I don't know - does it happen every time?`
`11:28.33`	`tapo`	`yes, when I play over DSL (germany).`
`11:29.48`	`larsl`	`Does it happen on other servers too?`
`11:31.09`	`larsl`	`I get the inverse on some servers, when I connect it first report huge lag, then it goes down over time.`
`11:40.31`	`Pimpinella`	`hi`
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`11:58.22`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: Changed the playerlist parsing to something that should work on all standard C++ platforms`
`12:05.21`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesMenu.cxx: Fix the curses menu to always show the selected item`
`12:05.44`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesMenu.cxx: ws`
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`12:33.53`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (BZAdminClient.cxx CursesMenu.cxx PlayerInfo.h): Parse scores in BZAdminClient (not showing them anywhere yet) (more code copied from bzflag), report NoMessage instead of GotMessage when a non-text message is displayed to avoid empty lines in the output window`
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`12:54.11`	`your_dog`	`good morning`
`12:54.30`	`Pimpinella`	`nbrb`
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`13:28.34`	`your_dog`	`so y'all are done huh?`
`13:28.57`	`your_dog`	`i got disconnected :(`
`13:41.44`	`larsl`	`Done?`
`13:42.08`	`your_dog`	`who?`
`13:42.11`	`your_dog`	`with what?`
`13:42.14`	`your_dog`	`when?`
`13:42.17`	`your_dog`	`why?`
`13:42.20`	`your_dog`	`which one?`
`13:42.23`	`your_dog`	`this one?`
`13:42.26`	`your_dog`	`or that one?`
`13:42.29`	`larsl`	`<your_dog> so y'all are done huh?`
`13:43.06`	`your_dog`	`oh, hehe, i should have msged Pimpinella`
`13:43.16`	`your_dog`	`i was talking to him, he was playing on quol`
`13:43.41`	`larsl`	`Ah.`
`13:44.26`	`your_dog`	`so whazup?`
`13:45.16`	`larsl`	`Nothing much.`
`13:45.38`	`larsl`	`Searching the web for ncurses info.`
`13:46.10`	`your_dog`	`cool, i used ncurses for a couple programs`
`13:46.39`	`*** topic/#bzflag by learner -> http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ \|\| forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ \|\| ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!user@.dip.t-dialin.net \|\| http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/16/0119206 \|\| time to release v1.10.4 so test, test, test`
`13:47.05`	`larsl`	`your_dog: Do you know how to get the size of a WINDOW?`
`13:47.18`	`your_dog`	`hmmm, lemme c`
`13:47.22`	`larsl`	`It has to be stored somewhere, but I can't find any functions.`
`13:48.41`	`your_dog`	`the programs i wrote were in Tcl, what are you using?`
`13:49.16`	`Chestal`	`your_dog: my messenger won't work for some reason, I recived one result over irc (how - tex 7-3), haven't checked bzmessages`
`13:49.25`	`larsl`	`C++, but I use the ncurses C library.`
`13:49.40`	`larsl`	`The function names are probably similar in Tcl.`
`13:49.57`	`your_dog`	`ok, it's been a while, let me c if i can find my docs`
`13:50.44`	`larsl`	`Ha, cool, curses windows are serializable. =)`
`13:56.27`	`larsl`	`your_dog: I'm suspecting that there is no function to get the size, but if you find anything you can /msg me, I'll see it when I get back.`
`13:56.43`	`your_dog`	`ok`
`14:08.49`	`Pimpinella`	`ncurses doesnt know windows`
`14:09.22`	`Pimpinella`	`your_dog: what did u msg me?`
`14:11.37`	`Pimpinella`	`ah, now i c what u mean :)`
`14:11.58`	`your_dog`	`c what who means?`
`14:12.07`	`Pimpinella`	`larsl`
`14:12.35`	`your_dog`	`i might have found a way to do it, just a sec`
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`14:13.41`	`your_dog`	`hi Tupone`
`14:13.54`	`Tupone`	`hi`
`14:14.27`	`your_dog`	`Pimpinella, you saw what larsl was aking right?`
`14:14.44`	`Pimpinella`	`not really`
`14:15.07`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: hmm, interestign bot change. DOes this mean that the bot logic now only defines speed and angular speed and the rest is handled as for the player?`
`14:15.24`	`Tupone`	`yeah`
`14:15.31`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: so, for example, it woudl be possible to try and make the bot evade shots?`
`14:15.49`	`Tupone`	`now, I think it is`
`14:15.58`	`Chestal`	`what about flags? has that changed?`
`14:16.12`	`Tupone`	`for bots ? no`
`14:16.55`	`Pimpinella`	`your_dog: he wants to get invent a window for score?`
`14:17.10`	`Tupone`	`the code in LocalPlayer is still handling flag, but I don't think he can grab one`
`14:17.30`	`Pimpinella`	`tkink first, then write :)`
`14:17.45`	`Chestal`	`the msg soudn are not bad, maybe a bit too quiet`
`14:19.15`	`Tupone`	`haven't heard that`
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`14:23.17`	`CIA-4`	`03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: only play priv/team msg sound if there wasn't a msg of same type for at least 2s`
`14:25.12`	`your_dog`	`did i hear that 1.10.4 has been released?`
`14:25.37`	`your_dog`	`or did i read something wrong?`
`14:25.49`	`Tupone`	`IMHO, you read something wrong`
`14:26.37`	`your_dog`	`ok`
`14:29.27`	`Tupone`	`Chestal: I think message sound are too short`
`14:29.57`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: and I think they should be a tad louder :-)`
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`14:33.16`	`your_dog`	`when i try to login in anonymously to the cvs server, i get this:`
`14:33.35`	`your_dog`	`cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)`
`14:57.12`	`CIA-4`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/data/ (message_private.wav message_team.wav): little louding message wav`
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`15:35.43`	`david_v`	`Chestal: when appropriate, can you please increase the number of observers (and possibly players too) on 5155?`
`15:35.57`	`david_v`	`something like 5 observers and 7 players`
`15:37.29`	`Grumbler`	`woohoo....bzflag.galkire.net is up.....bonus`
`15:38.35`	`orchid`	`Grumbler: your site?`
`15:40.45`	`Grumbler`	`yep`
`15:41.20`	`Grumbler`	`a map developers dream.....well, not yet, but I will.....WILL.....offer to anyone you wants to debug/test a map`
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`15:49.03`	`Koba`	`Koba lives.....doh`
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`15:52.09`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+bb !edelstei@ !@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by leguin.freenode.net`
`15:56.59`	`orchid`	`how can you blow your self up with burrow? i shot, it rico off the building and i died`
`15:57.41`	`Koba`	`the bullet is at the same depth as you......`
`15:57.51`	`david_v`	`yeah`
`15:58.00`	`Koba`	`other tanks bullets fly over you, thats why they dont kill you`
`15:59.00`	`orchid`	`oh :(`
`15:59.06`	`Grumbler`	`hmmm, what happened to the bzfs.html file in 10.3....its not included`
`15:59.44`	`Grumbler`	`anybody else noticed that you sink really slowly burrow lately...????`
`16:00.35`	`david_v`	`i haven't tried 1.10.3 . i've had no problems with the burrow flag so far afaik`
`16:00.59`	`Grumbler`	`yeah, this is 10.3....seems to take a bit to start submerging`
`16:01.29`	`david_v`	`it could even be a design thing, i don't know`
`16:02.06`	`Pimpinella`	`u can change th burrow speed in the server settings`
`16:02.32`	`Grumbler`	`aahhhh, maybe that is the case. How?, what switch`
`16:02.42`	`Pimpinella`	`mom`
`16:03.17`	`Grumbler`	`i dont know, how do i ask you mom the question?`
`16:03.29`	`Grumbler`	`:)`
`16:03.40`	`Pimpinella`	`_burrowSpeedAd`
`16:03.43`	`david_v`	`heh`
`16:04.07`	`Grumbler`	`oh, its one of those settings....ok, thanks, I know where to look now`
`16:04.10`	`Pimpinella`	`mom=moment=just wait a little`
`16:07.52`	`Grumbler`	`orchid, dont suppose you could add my server to the Servers:General Discussion stickies?`
`16:08.04`	`orchid`	`yup`
`16:08.09`	`Grumbler`	`danke`
`16:08.26`	`Grumbler`	`the message is already there`
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`16:13.22`	`orchid`	`Grumbler: its giving me some sql error, i will make it sticky later when pat or Nidhoggr wakes up`
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`16:14.12`	`Grumbler`	`orchid, ok...np`
`16:16.28`	`Pimpinella`	`ive also had trouble with database issues when using konqueror, with mozilla everything is fine`
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`16:18.46`	`Blue_Beard`	`Grumbler: Methinks that map I made last night would be good for four team CTF.. :)`
`16:19.11`	`Grumbler`	`Blue_Beard, yes, the corners would make great bases`
`16:19.41`	`Blue_Beard`	`Yep.. and the center would make for really fun camping.. but then again, you could camp on the bases too. :)`
`16:20.19`	`Grumbler`	`yeah, but there is a limit to how far you can reach from the corners`
`16:20.44`	`Blue_Beard`	`True. Kinda like xmission always was.. it's best to camp in the middle.. but you die more.`
`16:21.20`	`Grumbler`	`with all those jumps required to get high though, it would be difficult to get to a camper quickly though`
`16:21.29`	`Grumbler`	`not an easy place to sneak up on`
`16:22.19`	`Grumbler`	`time for lunch....`
`16:22.24`	`Blue_Beard`	`True. :) That's why I left at least two ways to get to every level.. though some of them don't really look attainable. The heights look too far apart to jump, but they really aren't. :)`
`16:22.28`	`Blue_Beard`	`Enjoy.`
`16:23.37`	`Grumbler`	`Blue_Beard, keep working, looks like the map can be hosted sunday/monday.......if you want to put it up right away`
`16:24.07`	`Blue_Beard`	`Hrm... I can probabily come up with a worthwhile version by then. :)`
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`16:30.15`	`orchid`	`ciao Tupone`
`16:30.28`	`Tupone`	`orchid: hi`
`16:30.42`	`Tupone`	`got my message?`
`16:30.52`	`orchid`	`yes thank you`
`16:31.18`	`Tupone`	`as you're now the only who is using that`
`16:31.30`	`orchid`	`:)`
`16:36.02`	`CIA-4`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: allowing player to freeze time (to not play at night)`
`16:58.15`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (CursesMenu.cxx CursesUI.cxx): Cleaned up the code a bit, changed wclear() to werase(), don't make too many assumptions about the window size in CursesMenu`
`16:58.43`	`larsl`	`Hm, I need a way to tell BZDB to shut up. It can't write debug data to stdout when bzadmin is running in curses mode.`
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`17:11.17`	`SportChick`	`good morning all`
`17:11.33`	`larsl`	`Good evening.`
`17:11.38`	`SportChick`	`L)`
`17:11.40`	`SportChick`	`:)`
`17:11.45`	`SportChick`	`(can't even type today)`
`17:12.31`	`Grumbler`	`good afternoon`
`17:14.58`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/ (include/StateDatabase.h src/common/StateDatabase.cxx): Added functions to tell BZDB to shut up - can't let it write debug data to stdout in bzadmin`
`17:15.21`	`*** part/#bzflag XL-110 (~cgiirc@66.62.140.111)`
`17:17.18`	`*** join/#bzflag Agent86 (~chris@ip68-97-189-10.ok.ok.cox.net)`
`17:17.46`	`Agent86`	`greetings -- does anyone know the name of the level playing on bzflag.freedomlives.net:5257?`
`17:20.46`	`Nidhoggr`	`you could put a thin layer of solid over it.`
`17:21.41`	`larsl`	`Agent86: No, but if you want the map you can save it from within bzflag.`
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`17:21.47`	`Grumbler`	`guess`
`17:22.06`	`Grumbler`	`...err, i guess that is.....one of those "i wonder" questions`
`17:23.12`	`Nidhoggr`	`you could test it :)`
`17:23.42`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o MrApathyCream] by ChanServ`
`17:23.50`	`Grumbler`	`hehe, yes, i can`
`17:23.57`	`larsl`	`I think collision checks are turned of completely for drivethrough objects.`
`17:24.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`wow full house today`
`17:24.04`	`larsl`	`s/of/off/`
`17:24.05`	`Nidhoggr`	`feel free to stick up non-public servers to test stuff out`
`17:24.10`	`Grumbler`	`morn' mac`
`17:24.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`howdy`
`17:24.13`	`Nidhoggr`	`hi MAC`
`17:24.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`lo`
`17:24.39`	`orchid`	`Nidhoggr: your bzbb admin ?`
`17:24.49`	`orchid`	`*are you`
`17:24.57`	`orchid`	`*are you a`
`17:25.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`yes, orchid.`
`17:25.03`	`Grumbler`	`Nidhoggr, i am working on the framework on how i want to rotate servers`
`17:25.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`what's up?`
`17:25.11`	`Nidhoggr`	`cool, g`
`17:25.16`	`orchid`	`nid, im trying to make a post sticky`
`17:25.27`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/include/StateDatabase.h: StateDatabase::getInstance() isn't implemented anywhere, removed the prototype`
`17:25.28`	`orchid`	`but it wont let me see past page one of the posts`
`17:25.35`	`orchid`	`when in admion mode`
`17:25.46`	`orchid`	`http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1360&highlight=`
`17:27.04`	`Nidhoggr`	`trying to remember how to make something sticky :)`
`17:27.36`	`orchid`	`i know how to do it, you click "moderate this forum" at the bottom`
`17:27.47`	`orchid`	`then it lists all the posts, in 3 pages`
`17:28.02`	`orchid`	`but it gives me "Invalid_session" if i click on page 2 or 3`
`17:28.18`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: Tell BZDB to shut up in bzadmin`
`17:28.24`	`orchid`	`and Grumbler's post is on page 2`
`17:28.37`	`Nidhoggr`	`did you get "invalid session"?`
`17:28.42`	`orchid`	`yes`
`17:28.46`	`Nidhoggr`	`same`
`17:28.50`	`Nidhoggr`	`let me poke around`
`17:28.50`	`orchid`	`cool`
`17:29.30`	`Grumbler`	`if it gets to be too much, it can be moved to the server:map section`
`17:29.37`	`Grumbler`	`and made a sticky there`
`17:31.24`	`Nidhoggr`	`ok...`
`17:31.32`	`orchid`	`its a bug i think`
`17:31.35`	`Nidhoggr`	`on first page....`
`17:31.49`	`orchid`	`there appears to be an Invalid_session bug in that version of phpbb`
`17:32.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`hightligt the &sid= through the end and copy`
`17:32.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`click next page`
`17:32.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`you get error...`
`17:32.12`	`Nidhoggr`	`paste session ID on the end of URL`
`17:32.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`worked for me.`
`17:33.28`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesMenu.cxx: Add quotes around the value in a /set command from the menu, so we can set values containing spaces`
`17:33.28`	`Nidhoggr`	`I'll get fiber/patlabor to look at it later.`
`17:34.34`	`Nidhoggr`	`today is "make chocolates with my bestest buddy" day.`
`17:34.39`	`orchid`	`heh`
`17:34.42`	`Nidhoggr`	`if I can wake up`
`17:34.44`	`orchid`	`send me some!`
`17:34.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`17:34.59`	`orchid`	`happiness=chocolate`
`17:35.18`	`Nidhoggr`	`another friend is sending me chocolate becaues I made her sound like a saint in a job reference, and she got it.`
`17:36.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`we did soaps for christmas, now it's chocolates for valentines`
`17:36.32`	`Nidhoggr`	`then we're going to start doing candles.`
`17:40.01`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (BZAdminClient.cxx CursesUI.cxx colors.h): LightBlue is actually Cyan, change the name of the color code`
`17:40.10`	`Nidhoggr`	`heh`
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`17:53.22`	`Nidhoggr`	`hm. cvs is not working for me right now`
`17:54.33`	`larsl`	`EOF errors?`
`18:04.57`	`CIA-4`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.h LocalPlayer.cxx): ServerLink is not a Singleton IMHO`
`18:06.14`	`CIA-4`	`03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (RobotPlayer.cxx RobotPlayer.h): server field should be taken from LocalPlayer`
`18:11.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`larsl yes`
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`18:14.26`	`Nidhoggr`	`builds even`
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`18:57.40`	`Death_Barrel`	`match anyone?`
`19:01.19`	`larsl`	`What's that "fuuitt" sound?`
`19:02.51`	`Tupone`	`larsl: where do you heard that?`
`19:03.03`	`larsl`	`In the game. It might have something to do with thiefs.`
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`19:03.34`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o MrApathyCream] by ChanServ`
`19:03.36`	`Tupone`	`thief sound I resampled, was to load and sampled bad`
`19:04.01`	`larsl`	`OK, that's good.`
`19:06.05`	`Tupone`	`it was in a format not understood by the client (IIRC unsigned short)`
`19:07.38`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: fix var ctor skipped by case statement vc errors`
`19:13.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`anyone for brlcad 14246 testing?`
`19:14.06`	`larsl`	`Sure, testing of what?`
`19:18.52`	`david_v`	`brlcad server on port 14246 i suppose :)`
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`19:25.47`	`Death_Barrel`	`match anyone? :)`
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`19:38.06`	`CIA-4`	`03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: somehow / got lost which used to separate callsign/email from flag in scoreboard; add it again`
`19:40.28`	`Tupone`	`Chestal: that sounds, sound good to you now?`
`19:40.54`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: I think they're fine, needs some more playtesting`
`19:41.00`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: do you think they would annoy anyone?`
`19:41.17`	`Tupone`	`No, they are wery short so no much to disturb`
`19:41.27`	`Tupone`	`s/w/v/`
`19:41.40`	`Tupone`	`I only amplify them`
`19:41.52`	`Chestal`	`hmm, is there a way to say 'cvs up next commit in this directory'?`
`19:42.04`	`Chestal`	`I am curerntly using -D timestamps, but this is a little silly`
`19:42.17`	`Chestal`	`I want go get one commit on each cvs up at a time`
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`19:42.36`	`Tupone`	`only one? with -r ?`
`19:42.39`	`Chestal`	`I am trying to find when bzadmin broke for me`
`19:43.10`	`Chestal`	`-r refers to individual files version?`
`19:43.14`	`Tupone`	`yeah`
`19:43.27`	`Chestal`	`that's not what I want, then I would have to look at the commit history myself`
`19:43.39`	`Chestal`	`I want the next commit that happened to any file in the current dir`
`19:44.27`	`Tupone`	`by they are committed one by one, this is the CVS spirit, even if let you think you do just one commit`
`19:44.51`	`Chestal`	`my problem is that I don't know when the code broke for me or which file is to blame`
`19:45.04`	`Chestal`	`so now I am doing cvs up -D "1 day 1 hour 40 minutes" ago`
`19:45.15`	`Chestal`	`then cvs up -D "1 day 1 hour 45 minutes ago" etc.`
`19:45.19`	`Tupone`	`One way could be getting the Changelog and examining it`
`19:45.43`	`Tupone`	`there is a script cvs2cl.pl on internet to build a changelog`
`19:45.47`	`Chestal`	`I have no clue about the bzadmin code, I just want to point larsl to the revision which broke it`
`19:45.55`	`larsl`	`cvs2cl.pl --stdout > mylog`
`19:46.19`	`michaelhhh`	`how is it broken`
`19:46.26`	`larsl`	`Gives you a log over all commits and the files that were changed.`
`19:46.41`	`Tupone`	`from there, looking at larls, you'll find the breaking dates`
`19:46.53`	`Chestal`	`I want a cvs up next :-)`
`19:47.12`	`michaelhhh`	`once we find out who broke, will they be grounded?`
`19:47.20`	`larsl`	`Well, I hope not. =)`
`19:47.43`	`larsl`	`Since it's 99.9% certain that it was me.`
`19:48.38`	`Chestal`	`it breaks when I add a bunch of commits introducing PlayerInfo.h`
`19:48.50`	`Chestal`	`10 files changed, though`
`19:48.53`	`michaelhhh`	`De we do the add so many patches we can't figure out what happened thing?`
`19:49.30`	`michaelhhh`	`It doesn't compile?`
`19:49.45`	`Chestal`	`Split-screen menu added to bzadmin's curses UI, BZDB editor, simple playerlist, scrolling added to`
`19:49.46`	`Chestal`	`+the main window (use Page Up/Down), better handling of terminal resizing, F6-ban function readded`
`19:49.52`	`Chestal`	`it compiles fine`
`19:49.59`	`larsl`	`The big hairy commit.`
`19:50.04`	`Chestal`	`but the area wheremesages should show up is all blank`
`19:50.23`	`larsl`	`What compiler?`
`19:50.47`	`michaelhhh`	`but it doesn't work in windows period.. does it?`
`19:51.00`	`michaelhhh`	`I mean curses doesn't work in windows does it?`
`19:51.06`	`larsl`	`Well, I don't think anyone has tried.`
`19:51.13`	`larsl`	`There are curses packages for Win32.`
`19:51.23`	`michaelhhh`	`curses!`
`19:51.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`the non curses works for me`
`19:52.21`	`larsl`	`I think the non-curses version works for Chestal too.`
`19:52.54`	`Chestal`	`it does`
`19:53.49`	`larsl`	`Does anything happen if you press Ctrl-L?`
`19:54.22`	`Chestal`	`cursor flashes, that's all`
`19:56.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: the -c __ space is again available for rent`
`19:57.04`	`Chestal`	`ok, mayeb add density there, too, or rip out density from -cr and make it an option of its own,let me look`
`19:58.20`	`CIA-4`	`03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: case of bad cut'n'paste`
`19:58.25`	`michaelhhh`	`maybe would like rent out space to corporate sponsors`
`19:58.29`	`michaelhhh`	`-kraft`
`19:58.32`	`michaelhhh`	`-3m`
`19:58.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`put adds on the buildings`
`19:58.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`'eat at joe's'`
`19:58.51`	`michaelhhh`	`Your very own box!`
`19:58.55`	`michaelhhh`	`or Pyramid!`
`19:59.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`we could do that now with jeff's changes`
`19:59.09`	`Chestal`	`yes, should be a general option, it woud apply to FFA random worlds, too`
`19:59.22`	`Chestal`	`any ideas on the syntax?`
`19:59.28`	`Chestal`	`in the coed it's called 'city size'`
`19:59.31`	`michaelhhh`	`So he changed texture stuff, but not models?`
`19:59.42`	`larsl`	`-density ?`
`19:59.54`	`larsl`	`-ds`
`19:59.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`michaelhhh: not yet`
`20:00.06`	`Chestal`	`I'll go with -density for now`
`20:00.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`downloadable models/textures for 1.12 i believe`
`20:00.08`	`michaelhhh`	`-urban`
`20:00.11`	`michaelhhh`	`-moreblight`
`20:00.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: fine`
`20:00.13`	`larsl`	`City size sounds strange.`
`20:02.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`chetal: on ctf, doing +f B*{3} gives you 4 blue team flags, does that seem right?`
`20:04.05`	`Chestal`	`larsl:I guess it refers to the "city" of buildings in classic CTF maps`
`20:04.33`	`Chestal`	`MAC: hmm, good question`
`20:04.45`	`michaelhhh`	`apathy -- interesting game play...`
`20:05.05`	`michaelhhh`	`unless you're blue`
`20:05.13`	`Chestal`	`what happens if one does +f GM{0}?`
`20:05.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`michaelhhh: i'll be interested to see if people build asymetrical ctf maps`
`20:05.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: nothing happens`
`20:05.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`michaelhhh: red has an easy to get to base with 1 flag, green has 3 harder to reach bases with 3 team flags`
`20:05.49`	`Pimpinella`	`~seen learner`
`20:05.53`		`learner is currently on #project24 #bzflag. Has said a total of 33 messages. Is idling for 11h 58m 45s`
`20:06.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: OOPS, sorry anything less than 1 is set to 1`
`20:06.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`so +f GM{0} gives 1 GM`
`20:07.25`	`michaelhhh`	`what's more interesting is shot limiting team flags`
`20:07.43`	`michaelhhh`	`so if you carry a team flag and shoot x times you drop the flag`
`20:08.10`	`larsl`	`But you could just stand still one second and pick it up again.`
`20:08.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`michaelhhh: i think you should be able to do that now, correct?`
`20:08.22`	`michaelhhh`	`it's in there already`
`20:08.30`	`michaelhhh`	`unless someone took it out`
`20:08.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`i think it's still there, altho i can't say i ever tried with team flags`
`20:08.57`	`michaelhhh`	`I don't think anyone's ever tried it`
`20:09.15`	`michaelhhh`	`I'm sure it's annoying`
`20:11.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes it works`
`20:11.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`although since teamflags never zap, it's not that hard to recapture`
`20:12.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`is it me, or is there another sound playing besides shot sound, when you shoot?`
`20:13.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehe`
`20:13.38`	`larsl`	`The thief sound?`
`20:13.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`it's the private message sound when you shoot, telling you, you've got 3 shots left, etc`
`20:13.54`	`michaelhhh`	`hmmm`
`20:14.00`	`michaelhhh`	`private message sound?`
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`20:14.03`	`michaelhhh`	`?`
`20:14.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`20:14.34`	`michaelhhh`	`Someone added that recently?`
`20:14.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`new this week`
`20:14.36`	`CIA-4`	`03chestal * 10bzflag/ (man/bzfs.6s src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx): add -density option to bzfs to specify amount of buildings you want for auto-generated maps (was only settable via -cr before)`
`20:14.44`	`michaelhhh`	`god`
`20:15.01`	`michaelhhh`	`next up : buddy list`
`20:15.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`20:15.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`chestal, so it's removed from -cr now?`
`20:15.53`	`Chestal`	`yes`
`20:16.03`	`Chestal`	`using a high density values for -c can give bogus results, though`
`20:16.08`	`Chestal`	`buildings on bases etc.`
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`20:16.32`	`Chestal`	`etc=buildings outside world boundaries`
`20:17.26`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/BUGS: doc the -sl sound anomoly`
`20:17.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok, gotta change all the helps etcs`
`20:17.51`	`Chestal`	`I think I've already done that`
`20:18.02`	`Chestal`	`short help, long help, bzfs manpage`
`20:18.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`oh ok`
`20:18.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzfs_conf.html, bzfs.conf`
`20:18.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`:)`
`20:18.38`	`Chestal`	`don't know those :-)`
`20:18.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'll fix`
`20:18.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`density default still 5?`
`20:18.51`	`Chestal`	`yes`
`20:19.06`	`Chestal`	`maybe the formula for -c should be adjusted`
`20:19.16`	`Chestal`	`I think that the 5 used to mean there are 5x5 buildings`
`20:19.22`	`Chestal`	`1.10 does only 4x4 with a value of5 now`
`20:19.32`	`Chestal`	`probably because it autoadjusts for different world sizes`
`20:20.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`20:20.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`umm`
`20:20.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`do you need to do -c if using -cr, or does -cr stand on it's own`
`20:20.40`	`Chestal`	`looks liek a rounding error`
`20:20.45`	`david_v`	`Quol_detached: (when you come back and read this) can we have a match today?`
`20:20.46`	`Chestal`	`-cr stands on its own`
`20:20.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`so 4 game styles ffa, c, cr, rabbt?`
`20:21.25`	`Chestal`	`no`
`20:21.30`	`Chestal`	`ffa,ctf,rabbit`
`20:21.37`	`Chestal`	`-c / -cr both set CTF gamestyle`
`20:21.45`	`Chestal`	`only different maps are generated`
`20:21.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`yeah`
`20:21.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`-cr -world don't go together?`
`20:21.59`	`Chestal`	`the syntax is a bit confused`
`20:22.10`	`Chestal`	`worldfile woudl override I guess`
`20:22.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`20:22.18`	`Chestal`	`so -c -world is same as -cr -world Ibelieve`
`20:22.30`	`Chestal`	`actually, the whole syntax of the bzfs options is a bit chaotic`
`20:23.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`20:24.25`	`Chestal`	`I'll fix the rounding`
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`20:24.37`	`Chestal`	`this will result in more buildings, though`
`20:24.43`	`Chestal`	`same as in 1.7`
`20:24.52`	`david_v`	`no more buildings please! :)`
`20:25.02`	`david_v`	`it was quite hard to get a good map in 1.7 CTF`
`20:25.55`	`Chestal`	`yes`
`20:26.01`	`CIA-4`	`03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: fix rounding error for citysize; this means that generated maps will now have more buildings, same as in 1.7; to get the 1.10.2 behaviour, add -density 4 for default world size`
`20:26.02`	`Chestal`	`but the code was wrong :-)`
`20:26.05`	`david_v`	`i think most people prefer it the 1.10 way building-wise, and 1.7 spawn-wise :)`
`20:26.22`	`david_v`	`hmm... make the code right and decrease the number of buildings then ;)`
`20:26.41`	`orchid`	`i like more buildings david_v, as i enjoy rico killing you the most :)`
`20:26.47`	`Chestal`	`serveradmin can use -density 4, this gives you same number of buildings for default world size as in older 1.10`
`20:26.52`	`david_v`	`orchid: shh :)`
`20:26.56`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: Add support for more message types: show rabbit changes, pause/resume`
`20:27.21`	`david_v`	`it's not so much about ricos for me though. if there are a lot of buildings you won't have so much chance to stop a tank that is a bit from you`
`20:27.34`	`david_v`	`especially at the bases`
`20:29.37`	`Chestal`	`1.7 created an aveage of 25 buildings, the (broken) 1.10 only 16`
`20:29.47`	`Chestal`	`I liek the fewerbuildings myself`
`20:29.56`	`david_v`	`so... let it be "broken" :)`
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`20:30.14`	`Chestal`	`that broke '-c' though`
`20:30.18`	`david_v`	`hmm`
`20:30.31`	`david_v`	`separate handling for -c and -cr maybe?`
`20:30.40`	`david_v`	`as for fixing 4x4 i mean`
`20:30.44`	`Chestal`	`for the regular CTF maps, a city size of 5 shoudlgive you 5x5 buildings, not 4x4`
`20:31.03`	`david_v`	`sounds ok`
`20:31.03`	`Chestal`	`and -cr uses the same numberof buildings (with some randomness)`
`20:31.21`	`Chestal`	`I could change that ofcourse`
`20:31.26`	`david_v`	`in official matches i'd always want fewer buildings`
`20:31.30`	`Chestal`	`or admins woudl ahve to use -density parameter`
`20:31.44`	`Chestal`	`I would run ducati with -density 4 then`
`20:32.07`	`david_v`	`sounds ok. i think we need to discuss the league rules though, whether it should cover things like this`
`20:32.46`	`david_v`	`that might be a later story though`
`20:33.28`	`Blue_Beard`	`Methinks an all ST Bunny Hunt game would be fun.. :)`
`20:34.16`	`CIA-4`	`03chestal * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: -density`
`20:34.22`	`michaelhhh`	`howabout daek city type buildings`
`20:34.28`	`michaelhhh`	`dark`
`20:34.54`	`michaelhhh`	`that come shooting out of the ground, that morph into other buildings...`
`20:35.01`	`michaelhhh`	`I have a patch right here`
`20:35.06`	`michaelhhh`	`j/k`
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`20:35.31`	`david_v`	`Chestal: another thing. one of my teammates came up with a quite dramatic idea of spawns. this could be considered sometime in the future. the idea is that the possible area where you can be spawned will be related to the team flags. you draw a line between the team flags (considering only two for this idea), and make a point in the middle. that will be the centre of a circle, which will be the spawn area`
`20:35.46`	`david_v`	`Chestal: so ideally, you'll always get into the action when you spawn. in theory`
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`20:36.16`	`david_v`	`Chestal: doesn't have to be a circle either, or exactly as described otherwise. but, it's an idea, and might solve some problems`
`20:36.16`	`Blue_Beard`	`Or die as soon as you spawn. :)`
`20:36.23`	`Chestal`	`david_v: yes, he talked to me about that, but itprobably needs more thinking`
`20:36.23`	`michaelhhh`	`and you'll always be on top of someone else`
`20:36.25`	`david_v`	`well yeah heh`
`20:36.37`	`david_v`	`michaelhhh: maybe`
`20:36.46`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs_conf.html: update conf builder for -density`
`20:36.47`	`david_v`	`Chestal: any specific problems you see with it, or just generally?`
`20:36.51`	`michaelhhh`	`it's pretty bad random across the whole map`
`20:36.52`	`GuidedMonkey`	`"get into the action" often == "be at the center of a crossfire zone" :-)`
`20:36.54`	`michaelhhh`	`think about 1 line`
`20:37.15`	`michaelhhh`	`but I'm always game to try things`
`20:37.37`	`david_v`	`GuidedMonkey: well, i personally prefer it this way as opposed to the normal way. now you could spawn hundred miles from your flag and can't do a thing to stop them capturing it. except praying or hope they listen to your requests to stop :)`
`20:37.37`	`Blue_Beard`	`My thought exactly, GuidedMonkey. :)`
`20:37.50`	`michaelhhh`	`You could almost make spawning sort of scripted`
`20:38.00`	`Blue_Beard`	`Well.. if you just spawn to die again.. you're not doing any better.`
`20:38.06`	`michaelhhh`	`since it just takes certain data and tells people where to go`
`20:38.27`	`SportChick`	`Hey all, I have a question...this is a bug someone else spotted on SecretPlace (when we managed to convince him to upgrade from 1.10.0 to 1.10.2). I suspect it may have been fixed already but I can't find it mentioned in bug reports.`
`20:38.27`	`Blue_Beard`	`It's put the newbies at a great disadvantage, because they aren't as experienced at spawning and fighting immediately.`
`20:38.32`	`david_v`	`Blue_Beard: once we get bullets etc into server state, i believe this spawn system could work well`
`20:39.34`	`Blue_Beard`	`Perhaps. I still have my doubts though. :)`
`20:39.34`	`david_v`	`Blue_Beard: good point. maybe a special option to put newbies in the other corner :)`
`20:39.34`	`Blue_Beard`	`I guess Karma would have a say in that.`
`20:39.34`	`david_v`	`heh`
`20:39.34`	`Blue_Beard`	`That is.. determining who is/isn't a newbie.`
`20:39.38`	`SportChick`	`A player joined the server (with "rogue" selected as his team, rather than "automatic"). When he did, the room was full and he was put into observer mode, but he got no message saying it was full. Does anyone know if this has been fixed in 1.10.3/1.10.4?`
`20:39.50`	`Death_Barrel`	`match anyone?`
`20:40.00`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs.conf: add -density to sample conf`
`20:40.16`	`SportChick`	`~seen MrApathyCream`
`20:40.23`		`mrapathycream is currently on #bzflag (1h 37m 1s). Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 16m 37s`
`20:40.47`	`Blue_Beard`	`Sportchick, :)`
`20:41.04`	`SportChick`	`hiya spiff`
`20:41.12`	`SportChick`	`can anyone answer my question?`
`20:41.34`	`Blue_Beard`	`Haven't the foggiest. I'm not actually here enough to pay attention to much of the chat that goes on. :)`
`20:42.31`	`Blue_Beard`	`Speaking of which.. I have a game to finish. Laterz.`
`20:43.09`	`Chestal`	`Quol!`
`20:43.16`	`david_v`	`Chestal: i'll try to do some research on the new spawn idea, i could consider hacking on the source too if i just get to it... :) do you have any specific reactions on the "between-flags" spawn, or should i just come back when i have more info to go at?`
`20:43.27`	`orchid`	`SportChick: it dosent show the red message at the top as you join>`
`20:44.14`	`SportChick`	`orchid: do you know if they are planning to add it back?`
`20:44.26`	`SportChick`	`Apparently those who played in 1.10.0 for a while liked it a lot`
`20:44.56`	`orchid`	`SportChick: i meant it as a question, i didnt think that anouncement was taken out`
`20:45.09`	`SportChick`	`oh...no, apparently it didn't show up`
`20:45.44`	`learner`	`SportChick: that's been fixed`
`20:46.06`	`SportChick`	`excellent! Thanks learner...I suspected it had been (being so old) but couldn't find a bug report in the listings`
`20:46.12`	`learner`	`it'll give you a message now, if you are joined to something other than what you asked`
`20:46.31`	`fiberchunks`	`puppies is fun! :)`
`20:46.39`	`learner`	`heya fiber :)`
`20:46.42`	`SportChick`	`anyone in here know what DCC means in irc?`
`20:46.50`	`fiberchunks`	`Direct Client Connection`
`20:47.08`	`fiberchunks`	`or Chat, can't remember which`
`20:47.10`	`orchid`	`SportChick: usually used for sending files`
`20:47.18`	`SportChick`	`hmmmm.... trying to figure out how to make my client sound a noise whenever someone is talking just to me. Anyone know how to make trillian do that?`
`20:47.19`	`david_v`	`Connection, DCC can be used for chat and files`
`20:47.29`	`fiberchunks`	`thot so`
`20:47.41`	`orchid`	`xchat for windows can do that SportChick`
`20:47.51`	`orchid`	`not sure if trillian can though`
`20:47.58`	`SportChick`	`yes, and so can GAIM...but I'd rather just have to use one client`
`20:48.18`	`fiberchunks`	`I would imagine that there is some option in some menu item that is like 'sound on msg' or something`
`20:48.26`	`david_v`	`SportChick: why not stick to GAIM then ;)`
`20:48.34`	`fiberchunks`	`indeed :)`
`20:48.41`	`SportChick`	`cuz it doesn't have some of the functions that trillian has that I like`
`20:48.55`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs_conf.html: don't allow -cr and -world in conf builder`
`20:48.59`	`david_v`	`like what? just curious, the Windows version is a bit limited i know`
`20:49.14`	`SportChick`	`in GAIM you can't see when someone in an IM window is in the process of typing an answer to you..and I have a bad habit of typing too fast`
`20:49.28`	`SportChick`	`that usually is a good way to slow me down...by making me wait for the answer`
`20:49.38`	`larsl`	`SportChick: Which version? I can see that in my GAIM, which is pretty old.`
`20:49.40`	`david_v`	`SportChick: oh. hmm`
`20:49.54`	`SportChick`	`in GAIM? or trillian`
`20:50.23`	`fiberchunks`	`Weimeraner -- cutest little dude`
`20:50.25`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Updated changelog, credit to the guy with the patch on SF`
`20:50.56`	`SportChick`	`hehe`
`20:51.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`look, it's in there!`
`20:51.43`	`SportChick`	`mmmmmmm`
`20:51.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`:(`
`20:51.58`	`SportChick`	`hehe`
`20:53.08`	`michaelhhh`	`dare I say .. tart ?`
`20:53.29`	`learner`	`thx mac`
`20:54.17`	`SportChick`	`not too tart and not too sweet..just perfect`
`20:55.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`mmmm`
`20:55.42`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs_conf.html: refix team flags in conf builder`
`20:56.09`	`learner`	`so what's our release status?`
`20:56.16`	`learner`	`i see density was ripped a new one`
`20:56.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes indeedy--> chestal`
`20:56.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner: well, patlabor is adding 'one more thing'`
`20:56.38`	`larsl`	`Looks like we could release any time now.`
`20:56.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`then i guess just bugs`
`20:56.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`chestal said, he didn't think it needed any testing`
`20:56.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`;)`
`20:56.56`	`learner`	`cool`
`20:57.03`	`michaelhhh`	`what goofy crap is cntrl shift b to compile stuff`
`20:57.05`	`learner`	`so then we can ship it? :)`
`20:57.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`yah`
`20:57.19`	`learner`	`is herr patlabor around?`
`20:57.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`michaelhhh: B-U-B roxs`
`20:57.52`	`learner`	`i don't remember if he said what that "one more thing" is/was`
`20:57.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner: not yet`
`20:58.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`no, he was secretive`
`20:58.09`	`learner`	`Oh, now i remember`
`20:58.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`{"}`
`20:58.36`	`learner`	`he was updating the tank model with more facets`
`20:58.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`(MAC is all ears)`
`20:58.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah ok`
`20:58.53`	`learner`	`at least the high quality one`
`20:59.08`	`michaelhhh`	`gamestutorials is all .net`
`20:59.14`	`michaelhhh`	`no vc6 :(`
`20:59.30`	`larsl`	`Should we make some test releases before 1.10.4?`
`20:59.40`	`learner`	`niet`
`21:00.04`	`learner`	`at least I don't think so -- it's supposedly "just a patch realeasE"`
`21:00.18`	`larsl`	`But there are a lot of patches in it. =)`
`21:00.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`yeah, we still have higher numbers`
`21:00.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`1.10.6 for instance`
`21:00.28`	`learner`	`indeed`
`21:00.33`	`michaelhhh`	`so it's ok if is sucks?`
`21:00.40`	`learner`	`yep`
`21:00.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`21:01.07`	`larsl`	`Has anyone heard when Tim is planning to start a new development branch?`
`21:01.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`larsl, i think head will just be new dev after 1.10.4 goes`
`21:01.46`	`learner`	`We talked about forking a maintenance branch for 1.10 last night, so that new development can start`
`21:01.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`21:02.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`so the branch is for 1.10.6 maintenance`
`21:02.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`if needed`
`21:02.12`	`learner`	`i think even cappy is ready to do some stuff =)`
`21:02.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`w00t!`
`21:02.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`hopefully just the hard stuff`
`21:02.42`	`learner`	`i read some hint of porting some of the pybzflag goodness into bzflag`
`21:02.51`	`larsl`	`What's in pybzflag?`
`21:03.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`goodness`
`21:03.32`	`learner`	`tank tracks, particle systems, real cloth sim for flags`
`21:04.47`	`michaelhhh`	`still need a chainsaw`
`21:04.53`	`michaelhhh`	`everygame needs one`
`21:05.01`	`larsl`	`Tank tracks would be cool. We could add snow and mud.`
`21:05.09`	`michaelhhh`	`how about rain`
`21:05.12`	`michaelhhh`	`headlights`
`21:05.34`	`michaelhhh`	`mudpit`
`21:05.36`	`michaelhhh`	`s`
`21:05.50`	`michaelhhh`	`ied s ?`
`21:06.20`	`michaelhhh`	`ever notice how the grass is always in such perfect shape?`
`21:06.53`	`michaelhhh`	`even when there are tanks constantly driving over it?`
`21:07.17`	`learner`	`fiberchunks: cute puppy :)`
`21:09.19`	`michaelhhh`	`how about an asphalt or concrete texture for the ground? :)`
`21:10.55`	`learner`	`getting themes in will be cool`
`21:12.37`	`orchid`	`whats badins icq # anyone know?`
`21:14.39`	`*** join/#bzflag Scipio (chris@69.28.129.165)`
`21:14.52`	`Scipio`	`heya guys`
`21:15.05`	`learner`	`hello scipio`
`21:15.06`	`Scipio`	`i was just running the latest cvs client that Nidhoggr compiled`
`21:15.15`	`Scipio`	`hi learner. thanks for the update on sourceforge, btw`
`21:15.37`	`learner`	`hmm?`
`21:15.55`	`learner`	`i make lots of sf updates :)`
`21:16.03`	`Scipio`	`on my spawn ticket`
`21:16.10`	`learner`	`ah.. spawning..`
`21:16.13`	`Scipio`	`<- bogusopus on sourceforge`
`21:16.19`	`Scipio`	`scipio was taken`
`21:16.38`	`Scipio`	`so, latest cvs has HUD updates`
`21:16.45`	`Scipio`	`so I came in to mention something I noticed`
`21:17.06`	`Scipio`	`the / to separate player from flag on the score went away`
`21:17.25`	`Scipio`	`so now players who play with -anonymous have the flag they carry next to their name with no delimiter`
`21:17.52`	`Scipio`	`so for instance, the player Kevap looked like KevapPZ or KevapCL`
`21:17.53`	`larsl`	`Looks like CIA is asleep.`
`21:17.56`	`learner`	`i noticed that too`
`21:18.32`	`larsl`	`New code in CVS that touches some template code, I'm not 100% certain that it works on all platforms. Would be nice if someone without GCC3.3 could test.`
`21:19.18`	`Scipio`	`oh, who is the person that does the windows install files?`
`21:19.27`	`learner`	`larsl, if I get that far on irix, I'll let you know ;)`
`21:19.28`	`larsl`	`Scipio: Patlabor221.`
`21:19.41`	`Scipio`	`there is a subdir of the bzflag/data dir that is not removed during uninstall`
`21:19.57`	`larsl`	`Scipio: data/alternate?`
`21:20.00`	`Scipio`	`nope`
`21:20.04`	`Scipio`	`older than that`
`21:20.19`	`Scipio`	`data/l10n`
`21:20.39`	`Scipio`	`it contains a bunch of .po files and a Makefile.am`
`21:20.40`	`michaelhhh`	`double click goes to declaration and not definition in VC 7 ?`
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`21:21.05`	`larsl`	`Hm, what is the Makefile.am doing in the Windows installation?`
`21:21.14`	`yoyox`	`~seen Quol`
`21:21.22`		`quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16h 59m 18s ago, saying: 'MrApathyCream: so no updates then - it may still be broken??'.`
`21:21.25`	`learner`	`scipio, i'll make not of both problems for someone to fix. thx.`
`21:21.48`	`Scipio`	`the makefil in that dir says "EXTRA_DIST"`
`21:21.52`	`learner`	`er, s/not/note/`
`21:22.00`	`michaelhhh`	`o k .. now it's going to definition by defaut`
`21:22.03`	`Scipio`	`=)`
`21:22.20`	`Scipio`	`it looks like it might be lion in l33t chars`
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`21:22.48`	`Scipio`	`looks like it has something to do with internationalization`
`21:23.14`	`Scipio`	`as it seems to contain instructions for translating several of the server msgs into specified languages`
`21:23.21`	`DTRemenak`	`yes...l10n = shorthand for localization`
`21:23.31`	`larsl`	`Scipio: Yes, the .po files contain translated messages.`
`21:23.58`	`Scipio`	`wow....that is a stretch`
`21:24.09`	`DTRemenak`	`L + 10 letters + N`
`21:24.09`	`learner`	`l10n is a standard`
`21:24.13`	`Scipio`	`oh`
`21:24.21`	`DTRemenak`	`like i18n = internationalization`
`21:25.03`	`Scipio`	`supercalifragilisticexpialadocious = s32s ?`
`21:25.07`	`Scipio`	`snort`
`21:25.23`	`Scipio`	`okay, I'm back now`
`21:25.53`	`Scipio`	`also, does anyone have the old thief sound file?`
`21:26.12`	`Scipio`	`I am not proficient in the use of cvs to be able to extract a single file from a particular version`
`21:28.39`	`Scipio`	`yes`
`21:28.45`	`DTRemenak`	`http://cvs.bzflag.org/viewcvs.py/checkout/bzflag/bzflag/data/thief.wav?rev=1.1`
`21:28.49`	`DTRemenak`	`that should do it for you`
`21:28.55`	`Scipio`	`wow`
`21:29.16`	`DTRemenak`	`sf.net uses viewcvs so you can browse CVS as if it were a webpage`
`21:29.24`	`Scipio`	`hmmm`
`21:29.26`	`Scipio`	`that is new sound`
`21:29.43`	`Scipio`	`there was one before that that sounded less like someone slipping on a banana peel`
`21:29.59`	`DTRemenak`	`http://cvs.bzflag.org/viewcvs.py/checkout/bzflag/bzflag/data/thief.wav?rev=1.2`
`21:30.01`	`DTRemenak`	`that is new one`
`21:30.04`	`larsl`	`Scipio: That's because it was using a sample format that bzflag didn't support.`
`21:30.13`	`larsl`	`It sounded terrible. =)`
`21:30.21`	`DTRemenak`	`they'll sound identical if you play them in a normal music player`
`21:30.30`	`DTRemenak`	`because it'll compensate for the sample format`
`21:30.39`	`DTRemenak`	`but they sound different in BZ itself`
`21:30.41`	`Scipio`	`oh`
`21:30.43`	`Scipio`	`interesting`
`21:30.48`	`learner`	`it's the same sound, just the first one was sampled at a rate that bzflag didn't support.. same sound, though`
`21:30.57`	`DTRemenak`	`because BZ is not really a wav player :P`
`21:31.13`	`Scipio`	`is wav a free format?`
`21:31.23`	`Scipio`	`i thought m$ owned it`
`21:31.36`	`DTRemenak`	`it's really basic...not much of a format at all`
`21:31.46`	`DTRemenak`	`just the sample dumped into a file`
`21:32.13`	`Scipio`	`hmmmm now to figure out how to get browser to save instead of immediately open in media player`
`21:32.37`	`DTRemenak`	`heh... try http://cvs.bzflag.org/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/data/thief.wav`
`21:32.55`	`DTRemenak`	`then right-click on the "view/download" for the older revision`
`21:34.27`	`Scipio`	`used netscape instead of ie`
`21:34.45`	`Scipio`	`it is nice that sourceforge uses mime types correctly on their httpd`
`21:35.41`	`Scipio`	`ah interesting. 1.1 is 8bit/11 KHz which 1.2 is 16bit/22.05KHz`
`21:36.13`	`larsl`	`I think 1.1 had unsigned samples too.`
`21:36.35`	`Scipio`	`ah. /usr/bin/file isn't that good =)`
`21:37.41`	`Scipio`	`one day i will not type sourceforget`
`21:41.18`	`Scipio`	`hmmmm.... i need to get on HBA's case to submit his fix for the color issue when bzflag quits and your screen beightness is inherited`
`21:42.44`	`michaelhhh`	`Cannot find or open a required DBG file. ?`
`21:42.48`	`Scipio`	`okay I'm out..... gotta finish the 2nd round of weapon master mode on soul calibur2 before the new baldur's gate is out`
`21:43.42`	`Scipio`	`oh i had ? got you guys`
`21:43.51`	`Scipio`	`'t' toggles fps`
`21:44.21`	`Scipio`	`which key toggles the other setting that appears on the top right of the viewbox?`
`21:49.20`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: pybzflag doesn't have tank tracks, but it does do some pretty intelligent multi-texturing to draw oil stains on box tops :)`
`21:49.37`	`larsl`	`Ooh.`
`21:50.01`	`larsl`	`Could be used for burn marks and shot holes.`
`21:50.02`	`larsl`	`=)`
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`22:17.19`	`captain_proton`	`well, burn marks & shot holes are usually done with decals, not multitexturing`
`22:17.25`	`captain_proton`	`but yes`
`22:17.34`	`captain_proton`	`i think the first pybzflag goodness i'll port over are the teleporters :)`
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`22:20.00`	`david_v`	`is someone up for a 1-1? i need some practice :)`
`22:20.25`	`Chestal`	`for some minutes, yes`
`22:20.27`	`larsl`	`Is a decal a separate surface that is placed just above the other surface?`
`22:20.39`	`david_v`	`Chestal: ok. 59998?`
`22:20.51`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: yes`
`22:20.59`	`captain_proton`	`you set what's called a polygon offset`
`22:21.01`	`Chestal`	`david_v: ok`
`22:21.28`	`captain_proton`	`so that it changes the depth test function a little to draw the decal exactly one depth-buffer quanta above its actual location`
`22:22.41`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Remove -showkills, add more general -show and -hide options using the vector option parser, updated the bzadmin man page`
`22:22.49`	`larsl`	`Yay, it's awake.`
`22:26.29`	`CIA-4`	`03larsl * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: More changes`
`22:26.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: teleporter?`
`22:27.20`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: uhhuh`
`22:27.29`	`captain_proton`	`the pybzflag teleporters were a giant waste of texture VRAM >:)`
`22:27.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`between worlds?`
`22:27.40`	`captain_proton`	`no, just the normal teles`
`22:27.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`just better visuals?`
`22:27.50`	`captain_proton`	`but they had stargatesqe-style caustics`
`22:28.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, stargatesqe-style caustics?`
`22:28.13`		`MrApathyCream: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`22:28.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`no`
`22:28.37`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: lemme see if i can relearn myself how to record videos of it`
`22:28.44`	`larsl`	`captain_proton: Is pybzflag dead, since you are talking about it in past tense?`
`22:28.52`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: well - yeah, mostly`
`22:29.03`	`captain_proton`	`the engine that scanline & i developed for it is used in another project or two`
`22:29.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`i obfuscated the bz protocol sufficiently, to squelch it :)`
`22:30.01`	`captain_proton`	`:)`
`22:30.54`	`captain_proton`	`http://navi.cx/~jupiter/snapshot00.avi`
`22:31.39`	`larsl`	`That's nice.`
`22:32.33`	`captain_proton`	`there are a number of other pybzflag effects that could/should go in`
`22:32.37`	`captain_proton`	`like the sky/mountains`
`22:33.02`	`larsl`	`How are they different from the ones bzflag has now?`
`22:33.27`	`captain_proton`	`the mountains are generated via a noise function`
`22:33.33`	`larsl`	`Ah, cool.`
`22:33.39`	`captain_proton`	`instead of having to have a texture that wraps around`
`22:33.48`	`captain_proton`	`and the sky is a neat application of textured models`
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`22:34.21`	`captain_proton`	`http://navi.cx/~jupiter/sky_colors.png`
`22:35.18`	`larsl`	`I'd like to learn some more CG stuff. The only thing I've done is playing with POV-Ray.`
`22:35.20`	`captain_proton`	`almost all of this is just eye candy`
`22:35.43`	`shkoo`	`it'd be neat to have the teleporters show what's on the other side.`
`22:35.47`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/bzadmin.cxx: fix vc 'anomoly'`
`22:36.02`	`captain_proton`	`shkoo: yeah, but that's a real pain`
`22:36.17`	`captain_proton`	`i'd love to eventually do something like monkey ball 2's teleporters :)`
`22:36.39`	`captain_proton`	`but that's kind of difficult without vertex programs / convolution filters`
`22:37.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`Z:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\src\bzadmin\OptionParser.h(133) : error C2989: 'VariableParser<class std::vector<T,class std::allocator<T> > >' : template class has already been defined as a non-template class`
`22:37.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`Z:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\src\bzadmin\OptionParser.h(133) : error C2988: unrecognizable template declaration/definition`
`22:37.35`	`larsl`	`Hm.`
`22:38.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`we need z = constant teleporters, i'm amazed no one has done them`
`22:38.31`	`larsl`	`Looks like it doesn't like template specialisations with template type parameters. =P`
`22:38.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`yah`
`22:38.45`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: what do you mean by that?`
`22:38.56`	`larsl`	`Horizontal teleporters?`
`22:38.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`teles that are paralel to the ground`
`22:39.09`	`captain_proton`	`ahh`
`22:39.09`	`captain_proton`	`yes`
`22:39.16`	`captain_proton`	`what we really need are arbitrary rotations`
`22:39.21`	`captain_proton`	`(for anything)`
`22:39.26`	`captain_proton`	`so you could have angled teleporters`
`22:39.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: nice tele graphic`
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`22:44.04`	`orchid`	`teleporting to another server would be fun`
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`22:45.09`	`prodan`	`hi ho`
`22:45.11`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`22:45.12`	`orchid`	`hello prodan`
`22:45.23`	`prodan`	`hi inuit`
`22:46.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`capn' on the bridge`
`22:47.03`	`prodan`	`where is capn?`
`22:47.58`	`prodan`	`capn <> CPAN`
`22:48.02`	`prodan`	`err`
`22:48.10`	`prodan`	`capn <> CAPN`
`22:48.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok, blaise`
`22:48.37`	`prodan`	`ibot blaise`
`22:48.38`		`prodan: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.`
`22:49.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: prodan asked 'where is capn?'`
`22:49.09`	`prodan`	`blaisr: something men wear?`
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`22:49.58`	`orchid`	`hi dog`
`22:50.09`	`your_dog`	`howdy`
`22:50.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, blaise is <reply> blaise pascal, father of the pascal programming language`
`22:50.14`		`MrApathyCream: okay`
`22:50.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, blaise?`
`22:50.27`		`blaise pascal, father of the pascal programming language`
`22:50.42`	`your_dog`	`i'll brb`
`22:50.46`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: it would be nice if it could load the animated textures from an 'ar' file or maybe even from a real movie format so it didn't require keeping 32 5kB jpeg files in CVS`
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`22:52.03`	`orchid`	`i didnt get it either MrApathyCream, but im laughing anyhow`
`22:52.04`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: well - i was at least going to combine them to be 4-per-file`
`22:52.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`prodan used <> to mean not equal`
`22:52.33`	`orchid`	`oh`
`22:52.49`	`orchid`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`22:53.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`in c it is`
`22:53.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`pascal is <>`
`22:53.13`	`orchid`	`ahh`
`22:53.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`and there comes in the joke`
`22:53.21`	`orchid`	`:)`
`22:53.22`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: what would be the advantage in that?`
`22:53.44`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: well, it'd be fewer files`
`22:53.57`	`scanline`	`ah`
`22:54.08`	`scanline`	`but a better way to do that would just be an archive of some sort :)`
`22:54.13`	`scanline`	`does bzflag read jpeg yet?`
`22:54.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`scanline, will new bz font system gonna be ready for 1.10.4?`
`22:54.14`	`captain_proton`	`indeed`
`22:54.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`scanline: jpg no`
`22:54.27`	`captain_proton`	`a tar/ar/something vfs system would be nice`
`22:54.28`	`larsl`	`New font system?`
`22:54.46`	`scanline`	`it would probably be a good idea to add jpeg support rather than converting that animated texture to png, since they get a -lot- bigger`
`22:55.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`larsl: scanline has been wroking feverishly on a new font system for bzflag`
`22:55.17`	`scanline`	`if you do use png though I should fetch the original files so they don't have jpeg artifacts on them still`
`22:55.44`	`larsl`	`Couldn't we use animated GIFs, or some other kind of animation format?`
`22:55.54`	`DTRemenak`	`MNG?`
`22:56.15`	`scanline`	`larsl: gif would be even worse than png.. these images really do need jpeg compression`
`22:56.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`larsl: GIF useage have copyright issues`
`22:56.48`	`larsl`	`MrApathyCream: Still? I thought that had expired.`
`22:56.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`ie money`
`22:56.57`	`scanline`	`MNG would be nice, but it's a pretty complex format and libmng is huge`
`22:57.28`	`DTRemenak`	`there are several different MNG levels of support`
`22:57.41`	`DTRemenak`	`and who says we need to use libmng? we don't use libpng for pngs...`
`22:57.55`	`scanline`	`eek.. we don't?`
`22:58.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`no`
`22:58.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`just zlib`
`22:58.48`	`scanline`	`why?`
`22:59.07`	`DTRemenak`	`'cause libpng is huge?`
`22:59.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`seemed big`
`22:59.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`and png was so easy to parse for what we wanted`
`22:59.32`	`scanline`	`but pretty much everyone on a UNIX-like system already has it`
`22:59.36`	`scanline`	`and on windows you can statically link it`
`22:59.40`	`TimRiker`	`scanline: jpeg is not planned. png should be all we need.`
`23:00.00`	`scanline`	`TimRiker: have you seen these textures we want to use for the teleporters? they are really huge without jpeg compression`
`23:00.15`	`DTRemenak`	`http://www.libpng.org/pub/mng/spec/mng-vlc.html`
`23:00.26`	`TimRiker`	`you tried top level compression on png and compared to jpeg then?`
`23:00.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`scanline: could you do that tele texture with a procedural one?`
`23:00.41`	`DTRemenak`	`VLC = very low complexity`
`23:00.52`	`scanline`	`MrApathyCream: it would be hard`
`23:00.56`	`scanline`	`and probably slow`
`23:01.26`	`scanline`	`TimRiker: yeah, I did a while ago when I first put those teleporters together. I don't remember the numbers, but there was a really good reason I went with jpeg. I can rummage up the originals and try it again later`
`23:02.05`	`DTRemenak`	`make sure to use filtering if you have gradients and want your pngs to be small`
`23:02.46`	`TimRiker`	`jpeg tends to create artifacts that show up when scaling the images more than lossless formats like png.`
`23:03.02`	`learner`	`cept for jpeg 2000`
`23:03.06`	`scanline`	`TimRiker: right, but since these are animated, one particular artifact is never around long enough to be noticeable`
`23:06.03`	`learner`	`i'd rather have quality over disk size any day`
`23:06.46`	`learner`	`is MrApathyCream around?`
`23:07.33`	`captain_proton`	`learner: for these, it really doesn't matter`
`23:07.47`	`captain_proton`	`and i'm sure MrApathyCream would prefer smaller checkouts`
`23:08.52`	`learner`	`what's the animation of?`
`23:09.13`	`captain_proton`	`learner: caustics`
`23:09.32`	`captain_proton`	`http://navi.cx/~jupiter/snapshot00.avi`
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`23:11.28`	`learner`	`MrAC does live`
`23:11.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`dialup died`
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`23:12.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`hey fellas, i vote that only private messages from other players should play the sound, thoughts?`
`23:12.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`-sl messages are a pain in the neck`
`23:13.57`	`learner`	`how about a sound menu, so that one can opt-in for the sounds they want?`
`23:14.12`	`learner`	`should neaten up the menu a little too`
`23:14.17`	`captain_proton`	`it'd be nice to split options into a set of submenus`
`23:14.23`	`captain_proton`	`graphics, sound, ...`
`23:14.29`	`learner`	`(post 1.10.4 of course) -- for 1.10.4, we could just disable the team sound`
`23:14.30`	`captain_proton`	`like every other game out there`
`23:14.43`	`learner`	`blasphemy!`
`23:15.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`23:15.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`larsl_away: any idea how to get bzadmin compiling again on template challenged pilers?`
`23:16.38`	`captain_proton`	`so what's the verdict on branching for maint?`
`23:17.04`	`learner`	`TimRiker: may be branch now?`
`23:17.34`	`learner`	`what's that environ define for the c++ compiler?`
`23:17.42`	`learner`	`CXX ?`
`23:17.52`	`captain_proton`	`learner: yeah`
`23:17.57`	`TimRiker`	`learner let's ship 1.10.4 instead. ;-)`
`23:18.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`w00t!`
`23:18.13`	`learner`	`w00 h00`
`23:18.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`laerner: tag it tag it tag it!!`
`23:18.25`	`captain_proton`	`-then- can we branch? :P`
`23:18.36`	`learner`	`MrApathyCream, shall i disable team sounds?`
`23:18.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`team sounds?`
`23:18.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`no`
`23:19.13`	`learner`	`isn't that what you were talking about?`
`23:19.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`i just think private messages that come FROM THE SERVER should not be sounded`
`23:19.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`ie -sl`
`23:19.35`	`learner`	`ah.. i thought you didn't like the team sounds`
`23:19.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`no team sounds are fine`
`23:19.42`	`learner`	`that's easy enough to add`
`23:19.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`but two sounds every time you shoot is silly`
`23:19.58`	`learner`	`?`
`23:20.06`	`learner`	`huh?`
`23:20.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`sl sends a private message saying 'you've got 3 shots left'`
`23:20.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`each time you shoot`
`23:20.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`that causes a private message sound along with th efire shot sound`
`23:20.26`	`learner`	`Oooh. I never tested on a shot-limiting server`
`23:21.19`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: -sl need updating. I have not looked at it much.`
`23:21.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: What does it need?`
`23:22.12`	`TimRiker`	`probably should have the client show the remaining shots in the gui someplace, and have the server send a drop flag event when the limit is reached.`
`23:22.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: the client does show the private message in big letters at the top of the screen`
`23:23.03`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: nod. but sending a MsgMessage is not the Right Way to do it.`
`23:23.17`	`CIA-4`	`03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: don't play sound for messages from the server`
`23:23.18`	`TimRiker`	`it's there cause old clients could not do it any other way.`
`23:23.29`	`TimRiker`	`should fix it in the next protocol breaking release.`
`23:23.38`	`TimRiker`	`bbl8r`
`23:23.49`	`learner`	`shall we get started on release?`
`23:23.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`it looks like the server does cause a drop flag too`
`23:24.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes lets`
`23:24.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`;)`
`23:24.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`23:24.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`it would be nice if bzadmin worked on windows first`
`23:24.44`	`learner`	`true`
`23:25.03`	`learner`	`his latest template fix broke windows?`
`23:25.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`23:25.41`	`learner`	`what's the error?`
`23:26.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`one sec`
`23:27.02`	`learner`	`captain_proton: wouldn't happen to have an mpeg of that admin, wouldya?`
`23:27.03`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/BUGS: learner fixes -sl problem`
`23:27.13`	`captain_proton`	`learner: admin/`
`23:27.15`	`captain_proton`	`?`
`23:27.16`	`learner`	`s/admin/anim/`
`23:27.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`Z:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\src\bzadmin\OptionParser.h(133) : error C2989: 'VariableParser<class std::vector<T,class std::allocator<T> > >' : template class has already been defined as a non-template class`
`23:27.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`Z:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\src\bzadmin\OptionParser.h(133) : error C2988: unrecognizable template declaration/definition`
`23:27.44`	`*** join/#bzflag mmu (~revol@ALyon-109-1-3-248.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`23:28.02`	`learner`	`very short l8r`
`23:28.06`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`23:28.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: have any thoughts on just writing all client bzdb items to file`
`23:28.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`problem is some have no gui controls, and aren't written if not changed from default`
`23:28.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`so folks don't even know they exist to change them`
`23:28.39`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: been thinking on that. makes it harder to change defaults on future releases.`
`23:28.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`true`
`23:28.59`	`TimRiker`	`what about dumping them all in --help or something?`
`23:29.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`or perhaps comment them out in bzc`
`23:29.43`	`TimRiker`	`then put a comment in the top of the file that says "# use --dumpvars to see all possible variables" or similar.`
`23:29.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`#set altImageDir`
`23:30.02`	`TimRiker`	`oh. commenting out the default ones. that sounds good to me.`
`23:30.03`	`learner`	`that bit of code really needs to be reworked. if nothing changes, the file should not be touched -- we presently write out the file every time. We could write out commented lines for unmodified defaults, so you'd know what was set specifically.`
`23:30.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`23:30.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`sounds good`
`23:30.23`	`learner`	`heh, gmta`
`23:30.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`would you put the default value in ala`
`23:30.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`#set altImageDir c:\`
`23:30.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`or just`
`23:30.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`#set altImageDir`
`23:30.45`	`learner`	`default value so you know`
`23:30.56`	`TimRiker`	`yeah include default values if known`
`23:31.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`cool`
`23:31.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'll do that`
`23:31.28`	`TimRiker`	`sweet.`
`23:31.47`	`learner`	`hrm.. i just might go buy a ps2/gamecube if those guys get that working :)`
`23:32.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehe`
`23:32.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`buy me one too`
`23:32.37`	`learner`	`sure :)`
`23:32.38`	`scanline`	`learner: you need a gamecube and Super Monkey Ball 2 :)`
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`23:36.15`	`learner`	`wow, larsl really is pushing the templateness to a c++ compliance extreme`
`23:38.13`	`Chestal`	`oh? where?`
`23:38.53`	`Chestal`	`didn't someone here have a crash on flag negotiation or something? Has that been investigated?`
`23:39.41`	`learner`	`i did yesterday`
`23:39.55`	`learner`	`er, might have been different crash`
`23:40.13`	`learner`	`didn't resolve what might have caused it, though`
`23:40.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'm guessing it's related to 'must identify before join' feature`
`23:40.23`	`Chestal`	`I am still a bit uneasy about the base/flag changes`
`23:40.56`	`Chestal`	`I hope there's not some rarely used piece of code in the client which cannot handle the changes`
`23:41.38`	`learner`	`should only occur on maps that actually have multiple flags/bases, though, no?`
`23:41.46`	`Chestal`	`MAC: the changes you made to the client for multiple team flags etc. are only cosmetic ones? I.e., old clients should work ok, too?`
`23:42.02`	`learner`	`at least one would hope`
`23:42.29`	`learner`	`chestal: do you want the stack trace from a crash i hit last night?`
`23:43.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`chestal yes`
`23:43.31`	`Chestal`	`learner: nah, keep those ugly stack traces to yourself ;-)`
`23:43.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner: yes, it's pretty isolated`
`23:44.02`	`Chestal`	`this maintenance release got a lot of new features`
`23:44.05`	`*** join/#bzflag RuFiToS (~rufitos@81.193.49.50)`
`23:44.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: old clients don't see the hud markers`
`23:44.21`	`Chestal`	`hmm, which reminds me of the quick messages menu`
`23:44.24`	`Chestal`	`maybe tomorrow`
`23:44.47`	`learner`	`too many features, but it's still all good`
`23:44.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`next time we should branch :)`
`23:45.05`	`Chestal`	`there are some which noteverybody might like, we'll see`
`23:45.06`	`learner`	`indeed :)`
`23:45.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: the sounds?`
`23:45.33`	`Chestal`	`MrApathyCream: the menu/msg sounds and the fov lines on radar`
`23:45.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`fov lines?`
`23:45.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`i didn't notice`
`23:45.56`	`Chestal`	`we could remove one feature, the silly key which hides flags in main view`
`23:45.59`	`learner`	`fov was barely noticeable to me`
`23:46.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: yes that is silly`
`23:46.17`	`Chestal`	`should never have been allowed to sneak in`
`23:46.20`	`learner`	`i concur`
`23:46.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`altho i use that as a guide. If the thing i'm adding is worse that that, i don't add it`
`23:46.31`	`Chestal`	`heh :-)`
`23:46.46`	`Chestal`	`hiding flags on radarmigh tbe ok`
`23:46.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`the mendosa line`
`23:46.51`	`Chestal`	`although I don't like that either`
`23:47.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`i can understand radar a lil`
`23:47.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`altho i never use`
`23:48.13`	`Chestal`	`what about those default key bindings:`
`23:48.14`	`Chestal`	`bind 4 down "mult displayRadarRange 0.9524"`
`23:48.14`	`Chestal`	`bind 5 down "mult displayRadarRange 1.05"`
`23:48.32`	`Chestal`	`onlyproblem is that tose factors really depend on repeat speed`
`23:49.21`	`learner`	`I'd still prefer at least 10%, but I'd settle for 5% -- better than nothing :)`
`23:49.23`	`Grumbler`	`~bzflist`
`23:49.40`	`Chestal`	`learner: I always use a high repeat rate`
`23:50.11`	`Chestal`	`I guess it's about 40 chars/s`
`23:50.33`	`Chestal`	`hmm, looks like it is 35`
`23:50.50`	`Chestal`	`and a low delay, too`
`23:51.07`	`Chestal`	`most people using my settings here accidentally type lots of multiple characters :-)`
`23:51.40`	`learner`	`i'd rather it be deterministic (3 quick hits for 30%, etc) without relying on repeat rate, hence the preference for a higher value`
`23:52.33`	`learner`	`but if your repeat rate already is that high, i suppose it might get too fast for you`
`23:52.58`	`Chestal`	`where are the default key bindings?`
`23:53.42`	`Chestal`	`ActionBinding.cxx`
`23:55.50`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/common/ (CommandManager.cxx ConfigFileManager.cxx StateDatabase.cxx): write all config file options, but comment out the ones equal to the default`
`23:56.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`chestal yes`
`23:56.29`	`CIA-4`	`03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: doc configfile changes`
`23:57.02`	`learner`	`MrAC: that error you posted looks like old code`
`23:57.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner: ?`
`23:57.34`	`Chestal`	`I don't understand the contents of that file, though`
`23:57.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`in bzadmin?`
`23:57.39`	`Chestal`	`wayToBindActions, hmm`
`23:57.40`	`learner`	`yes`
`23:57.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`chestal yes it's circuitous`
`23:58.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`wayToBind is whether it's up or down or both`
`23:58.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner: i'll do an up and try again`
`23:58.21`	`learner`	`your error was for VariableParser<class std::vector... but that doesn't exist any more`
`23:58.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`good!`
`23:58.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`lemmee try`
`23:58.53`	`Chestal`	`MAC: uhm, looks strange at first glance, maybe there is a hidden meaning in it`
`23:59.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`he`
`23:59.09`	`larsl`	`learner: It does.`
`23:59.18`	`learner`	`where?`
`23:59.33`	`larsl`	`OptionParser.h:114`
`23:59.33`	`learner`	`i see string and bool`
`23:59.51`	`learner`	`aah... carp`

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