| 00:00.23 | SportChick | this is weird |
| 00:00.33 | Patlabor221 | it will turn off textures |
| 00:00.36 | SportChick | I went back in to the config file to change it and my entry was no longer there |
| 00:00.48 | Patlabor221 | it may have moved it |
| 00:00.56 | SportChick | so... I retyped it and saved it again. Opened bzflag and no change. |
| 00:01.08 | SportChick | I opened the config file again...nothing...it's not there |
| 00:01.17 | SportChick | I scrolled through all the entries |
| 00:01.25 | SportChick | unless it moved it so I can't SEE it anymore |
| 00:01.33 | Patlabor221 | that I dono |
| 00:01.53 | Patlabor221 | does low help the framerate at all? |
| 00:02.13 | SportChick | (off topic, I had another odd thing happen even earlier...I logged onto site [registered id] and somewhere along the line I was suddenly not registered anymore) |
| 00:02.32 | SportChick | it doesn't seem to be making a difference, but I don't know if that's because for some reason it's not saving the changes I'm making |
| 00:02.53 | Patlabor221 | well seting it to 0 should turn textures off |
| 00:03.33 | SportChick | just to be doubly sure, I typed (exactly): "set textureFilterMode 1" |
| 00:03.36 | SportChick | is that correct? |
| 00:03.43 | SportChick | for the first attempt |
| 00:03.52 | Patlabor221 | 1 sec |
| 00:03.58 | Patlabor221 | I think it needs "1" |
| 00:04.01 | Patlabor221 | with quotes |
| 00:04.04 | Patlabor221 | but let me check |
| 00:04.30 | Patlabor221 | or maybe not |
| 00:05.24 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 00:05.42 | SportChick | okay, just doublechecked something. I saved it in the file. Closed the file and then reopened it to see if it was still there. |
| 00:06.12 | SportChick | then, I closed it again and opened bzflag. played for a minute (fps was around 8-9, lagstats at 153ms) and then closed bzflag |
| 00:06.20 | SportChick | when I opened config file again, the change was gone |
| 00:06.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah I see it removing it too |
| 00:07.09 | Patlabor221 | just try low quality and see what that does |
| 00:07.13 | SportChick | k |
| 00:07.14 | SportChick | brb |
| 00:07.30 | Patlabor221 | I'll have to ask mac how come the bzdb stuff dosn't work |
| 00:08.15 | SportChick | ack!! lagstats up to 321ms!! fps down to 4 |
| 00:08.33 | Patlabor221 | rather odd |
| 00:08.48 | Patlabor221 | well it seems like no dif between med and high |
| 00:08.56 | Patlabor221 | so I don't think it's GFX related |
| 00:09.00 | Patlabor221 | I'd stay at high |
| 00:09.06 | Patlabor221 | your card should be able to handle it |
| 00:09.14 | SportChick | textures are off now and it's terrible |
| 00:09.17 | SportChick | can't see anything |
| 00:09.21 | SportChick | how do I get them back on again |
| 00:09.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah low turns off texutre |
| 00:09.27 | Patlabor221 | just go back to high |
| 00:09.33 | Patlabor221 | it'll enable them again |
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| 00:09.38 | SportChick | textures are off in medium now too!! |
| 00:09.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:09.43 | Patlabor221 | low and med |
| 00:09.46 | Patlabor221 | are no textures |
| 00:09.51 | Patlabor221 | high and exp are textures |
| 00:10.11 | Patlabor221 | there is little real diff betwene med and high in drawing complexity |
| 00:10.19 | Patlabor221 | less then 1000 tris per scene |
| 00:10.22 | Patlabor221 | not really worth it |
| 00:11.31 | SportChick | but when I was on medium before, when we STARTED the conversation, textures were on |
| 00:12.05 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:12.12 | Patlabor221 | I changed that last night |
| 00:12.15 | SportChick | so, do I file a bug report about this high lag, or do I just figured I've "bugged" you enough |
| 00:12.20 | Patlabor221 | that is the big thing that was difrent in the last build |
| 00:12.33 | SportChick | but I'm running this morning's build (i think) |
| 00:12.45 | Patlabor221 | try the one from before that |
| 00:12.52 | Patlabor221 | lets see if maybe it's real lag |
| 00:13.03 | SportChick | you mean to see how lag is? I was running at 45ms |
| 00:13.09 | SportChick | hold on...gotta reinstall, then |
| 00:13.14 | Patlabor221 | lag is a fluid thing |
| 00:13.20 | Patlabor221 | you can tell the old version to go to a difrent folder |
| 00:13.24 | Patlabor221 | so you can have both |
| 00:13.39 | Patlabor221 | your lag can change based on network conditions on a per moment basis |
| 00:13.47 | Patlabor221 | so it could be real lag |
| 00:16.04 | SportChick | well, now running about 174 lag, but fps is much higher.. between 18 and 30 now |
| 00:16.49 | Patlabor221 | and what is it set to? quality and texture setings? |
| 00:18.05 | SportChick | quality at high, texture at linear mipmap linear |
| 00:18.23 | SportChick | and lag is down to 153m |
| 00:18.37 | Patlabor221 | that shuld be the same as high in the last build |
| 00:18.43 | SportChick | k |
| 00:19.13 | SportChick | so I take it I want high fps? |
| 00:19.13 | SportChick | the higher the better? |
| 00:19.13 | Patlabor221 | does the last build run a difrent FPS when set to high |
| 00:19.13 | Patlabor221 | to a point yes |
| 00:19.14 | Patlabor221 | you just don't want low fps |
| 00:19.36 | Patlabor221 | if the fps get to low it can effect your abbility to send/receve data |
| 00:19.36 | Patlabor221 | and that can in effect up your lag |
| 00:19.36 | SportChick | yes it does...the last one was mainly in a 4-16 range..this one seems to run mostly in a 15-30 range |
| 00:19.53 | Patlabor221 | basicly your computer ends up waiting to draw stuff before it can get net data |
| 00:20.00 | SportChick | ah,ok |
| 00:20.06 | SportChick | ty for explaining that |
| 00:20.22 | SportChick | anything else you want me to try before I go and put away groceries? |
| 00:20.24 | Patlabor221 | hmm it should not be lower FPS between the 2 |
| 00:20.36 | SportChick | I'll try this one again... |
| 00:20.38 | Patlabor221 | can you try the current build again on high and just verify the lower FPS |
| 00:22.38 | SportChick | no, it's definitely running higher... current range is 12 to 25, but generally in the 16 to 18 range...newer build was running in the 4-9 range mainly. Okay, I'll reload newer build again |
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| 00:23.25 | Nidhoggr | one way to find all the bugs.. give new builds to my admins every day. ;) |
| 00:23.34 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 00:23.38 | Patlabor221 | called playtesting |
| 00:23.52 | captain_pistachi | wibble |
| 00:24.03 | Nidhoggr | were were getting it before but not quite so densely |
| 00:26.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:26.55 | SportChick | okay... this one is now running in the 8 to 24 range. When I am not firing bullets or have just spawned it's much higher. Spawning between 21 and 24fps. Firing bullets takes me down to 8 to 12 fps. Driving around only and not firing in the 12 to 16ms range |
| 00:27.16 | SportChick | that's 12 to 16FPs |
| 00:27.21 | captain_pistachi | probably the dynamic lights screwing you up |
| 00:27.28 | captain_pistachi | it tesselates surfaces to do the glow from bullets |
| 00:27.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah turn off lighting |
| 00:27.38 | Patlabor221 | odd the old one didn't do that |
| 00:27.39 | SportChick | k...hold on |
| 00:27.40 | captain_pistachi | if you're geo limited, that would slow you down |
| 00:27.43 | Patlabor221 | it didn't change |
| 00:27.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah she is not on a T&L card |
| 00:27.56 | captain_pistachi | Patlabor221: what, tesselation? |
| 00:27.57 | Patlabor221 | just 2 rage 128's on the same card |
| 00:28.10 | Patlabor221 | yeah I didn't change the teseleation code at all |
| 00:29.01 | SportChick | okay, spawning at 28-31, shooting I'm in the 20-22 range. |
| 00:29.13 | SportChick | driving around, I'm in between |
| 00:29.30 | Patlabor221 | was lighing on or off in the older version? |
| 00:29.32 | SportChick | what's a T&L card |
| 00:29.34 | SportChick | on |
| 00:29.36 | Patlabor221 | a newer card |
| 00:29.47 | SportChick | lighting was on in old version |
| 00:30.51 | SportChick | wanted to test it with same conditinos |
| 00:30.51 | Patlabor221 | for ATI it would be a "radeon" type card |
| 00:30.51 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 00:30.51 | SportChick | conditIONs |
| 00:30.51 | Patlabor221 | well I dono |
| 00:30.51 | Patlabor221 | I'll ahve to check it out then |
| 00:30.51 | Patlabor221 | go ahead and report a bug and asign it to me |
| 00:30.56 | SportChick | k |
| 00:30.58 | SportChick | will do |
| 00:34.15 | SportChick | hmmm...how do I assign it to you? |
| 00:36.05 | SportChick | Pat: another question...in high res, are the phantom tanks supposed to look real? I saw one that did NoT look like a phantom at all. |
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| 00:55.08 | SportChick | Pat: I filed the bug report (and another one about phantom) but had no option to assign it to anyone |
| 00:56.01 | Patlabor221 | it's ok I can asign it to myself :) |
| 00:56.02 | larsl | SportChick: What about phantom? |
| 00:56.14 | larsl | Ah. Saw it. |
| 00:56.24 | larsl | I think Patlabor221 fixed that some hours ago. =) |
| 00:56.32 | SportChick | when zoned with PZ flag, still appears as a regular tnak |
| 00:56.34 | SportChick | oh, good |
| 00:56.37 | Patlabor221 | I think I fixed phantom just have to do a build |
| 00:56.42 | SportChick | k |
| 00:56.45 | SportChick | thanks |
| 00:56.47 | SportChick | :) |
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| 00:58.38 | stealth | why do i get no sound with bzflag, but every other prog does? im using alsa with 2.6.1 kernel |
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| 01:00.32 | Tupone | bzflag use OSS |
| 01:00.38 | Patlabor221 | well I think I did |
| 01:00.41 | Patlabor221 | it needs testing |
| 01:00.56 | captain_proton | stealth: did you turn on OSS emulation for ALSA? |
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| 01:00.58 | Patlabor221 | I need to cart a computer home and then I'll have 2 systems to test it on |
| 01:01.22 | orchid | hi chiko |
| 01:01.30 | Chikorita | hi orchid |
| 01:01.37 | Tupone | hi orchid & chiko |
| 01:01.48 | Chikorita | heh hi tupo |
| 01:01.58 | scanline | hi, everybody! |
| 01:02.04 | orchid | hello scanline |
| 01:02.11 | Chikorita | scanline: hello |
| 01:02.48 | Chikorita | hmm , was hopin to catch Quol undetached.. |
| 01:02.49 | stealth | captain_proton: in the kernel config? |
| 01:02.55 | captain_proton | stealth: yeah |
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| 01:04.33 | Jaguar | anyone an admin of ducati? |
| 01:04.35 | your_dog | need an admin for ducatti |
| 01:04.38 | your_dog | hehe |
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| 01:04.40 | Jaguar | we need you imeditly |
| 01:04.44 | your_dog | hehehe |
| 01:04.56 | menotume | can anyone reset/countdown on Ducati:59998 for us ? |
| 01:05.11 | Jaguar | hello! |
| 01:05.14 | Jaguar | people! |
| 01:05.17 | Jaguar | anyone here! |
| 01:05.18 | orchid | menotume: one sec.. |
| 01:05.21 | orchid | i will |
| 01:05.26 | menotume | great, thx |
| 01:05.46 | orchid | servers empty |
| 01:05.55 | orchid | oh nm |
| 01:06.04 | orchid | heh, scoreboard off :) |
| 01:08.33 | stealth | captain_proton: yes i have OSS emulation compiled with alsa |
| 01:09.08 | captain_proton | what card? |
| 01:09.28 | stealth | onboard cmedia 8738 |
| 01:09.45 | captain_proton | does something else have the device open? (its possible that the card can't do mixing) |
| 01:10.01 | stealth | lsof /dev/dsp reports no holdings |
| 01:10.34 | captain_proton | what about the alsa devices? |
| 01:10.45 | stealth | which devices? |
| 01:11.33 | larsl | stealth: /dev/sound/adsp I think. |
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| 01:11.51 | captain_proton | yeah, something like that |
| 01:20.48 | stealth | i have /dev/sound/adsp1 and lsof reports nothing used also |
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| 01:26.15 | your_dog | y is quol down? |
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| 01:28.16 | your_dog | does anyone know? |
| 01:30.14 | michaelhhh | anyone |
| 01:30.30 | michaelhhh | bueler? |
| 01:31.43 | triclops_pb | beuller has two l's :-P |
| 01:32.00 | triclops_pb | bueller even |
| 01:35.24 | michaelhhh | perhaps 3 |
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| 01:58.53 | mauddib | noodle? |
| 01:59.06 | mauddib | you in here? |
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| 02:02.07 | mauddib | hey menotume |
| 02:02.13 | menotume | hi |
| 02:02.49 | menotume | mauddib: sry, i'm kinda new here, what is your bz nik ? |
| 02:03.02 | mauddib | pyrobunny |
| 02:03.10 | menotume | ahhh, :) |
| 02:03.27 | mauddib | can't find noodleman |
| 02:04.21 | mauddib | I am working in php right now... :( |
| 02:04.30 | mauddib | I am having buggy problems |
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| 02:11.09 | Noodleman | your_dog: how did the match go? |
| 02:13.03 | your_dog | we beat u, 9 - 0 |
| 02:13.56 | Noodleman | heh |
| 02:14.08 | Noodleman | how was the lag? |
| 02:14.27 | your_dog | it was kind of bad, but an even bad :) |
| 02:14.32 | your_dog | it was bad for all of us |
| 02:14.36 | Noodleman | ok |
| 02:14.48 | Noodleman | i've only got 128k up on my DSL |
| 02:15.20 | Noodleman | but, it's still better than a server hosted on cable :-) |
| 02:15.30 | your_dog | yeah |
| 02:15.52 | your_dog | most of the bzflag servers are down :( |
| 02:16.33 | Noodleman | ick, list server trouble? |
| 02:16.43 | Noodleman | stats.bzflag.org seems to still work |
| 02:16.52 | your_dog | oh, it's back up? |
| 02:16.54 | your_dog | it was down |
| 02:17.25 | Noodleman | it's been redesigned and up for a long time now :-) |
| 02:17.41 | Noodleman | or, was it down just recently? |
| 02:18.26 | your_dog | yeah, a few min ago |
| 02:18.47 | Noodleman | oh, sometimes the T1 it's on is a little bit unstable |
| 02:19.49 | Noodleman | but, heck, i get it for free |
| 02:19.52 | Noodleman | can't beat tha |
| 02:19.53 | Noodleman | t |
| 02:20.16 | your_dog | yeah |
| 02:23.20 | mauddib | hi noodle |
| 02:23.26 | Noodleman | hey, mauddib |
| 02:23.36 | mauddib | wanna see my new pet? |
| 02:23.41 | Noodleman | sure |
| 02:24.00 | mauddib | I am modifying your php for a online auction |
| 02:24.12 | Noodleman | hey, cool! |
| 02:24.28 | mauddib | <a href="http://pyrobunny.noodleroni.com/mssda.php |
| 02:24.53 | mauddib | <a href="http://pyrobunny.noodleroni.com/mssda.php">click</a> |
| 02:25.35 | mauddib | see it? |
| 02:25.43 | mauddib | the request form? |
| 02:25.46 | Noodleman | is the page your new pet? |
| 02:25.56 | Noodleman | yeah, i see that |
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| 02:33.06 | mauddib | hey noodle |
| 02:33.11 | Noodleman | hey |
| 02:33.13 | mauddib | will you get on gaim? |
| 02:33.14 | Noodleman | what's up? |
| 02:33.21 | Noodleman | oh, i'm not? |
| 02:33.22 | mauddib | well nevermind |
| 02:33.27 | Noodleman | lemme connect |
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| 02:40.33 | Patlabor221 | why are we supporting VC5, 6, AND 7.1? |
| 02:42.39 | captain_proton | because people don't want to shell out for the newest versions |
| 02:42.41 | Noodleman | because the CEO said so! |
| 02:43.16 | Patlabor221 | so they get minigw, at least it supports normal C++ |
| 02:44.46 | Quol | hmm - got that "flag negotiation error" on my tournament server again... |
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| 03:12.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: this show is neat, but they needed to do a lot more character development :P |
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| 03:13.22 | Patlabor221 | yes it was done for fans of the manga |
| 03:13.31 | Patlabor221 | it is a movie so they asume you know them |
| 03:13.57 | b1nhb00ng | hi, when i start bzflag on a 2nd x server, there's no sound aval. is there a way around this? |
| 03:14.55 | Quol | is my logic right here? for 1.10.3 I don't want people to have to identify in order to play (if their callsign is registers), so I overide the default group by creating a new default group in the group file with the commands that I want to give to all players - and I leave out the REQUIREINDENTITY - that make sense? |
| 03:14.56 | ill | what's the difference between the RFE "Request Feature Enhancement" section and the Enhancements/Tweaks section (that I can't seem to get to except through the Tracker section) |
| 03:15.04 | Noodleman | b1nhb00ng: you could run a sound server, and share the sound card that way |
| 03:15.24 | Noodleman | or if your soundcard supports hardware mixing, you could use the alsa drivers |
| 03:15.50 | ill | UM .. REQUIREIDENTIFY shouldn't be in the DEFAULT group... |
| 03:15.59 | b1nhb00ng | Noodleman: thx |
| 03:16.32 | Quol | ill- it must be as a fresh compilation results in users having to identify themselves in order to play |
| 03:16.36 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx: move view lines under buildings and stuff so they don't get in the way. |
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| 03:18.28 | Quol | using the same config files from 1.10.2 and 1.10.3 - where 1.10.2 users can play without identifying, and 1.10.3 user can't - they must identify if that nick is already registered... |
| 03:18.46 | Quol | so REQUIREIDENTITY must be in the default group - no? |
| 03:19.12 | Nidhoggr | require identify should be in no groups if you don't want people to have to identify |
| 03:19.44 | triclops_pb | Pat: have shadows cast by buildings always been pitch black or were they once blended with the ground? |
| 03:19.51 | Quol | Nidhoggr - right - but since it seems to be in the default group - I create a new default group in the group files to overide - right? |
| 03:20.07 | Nidhoggr | yes. create default group, and leave requireidentify out |
| 03:20.16 | Patlabor221 | they have never been blended ever |
| 03:20.17 | Nidhoggr | same with registered group |
| 03:20.21 | Patlabor221 | they have allways been stipled |
| 03:20.35 | Nidhoggr | you need to specify registered group and take leave requireidentify out. |
| 03:20.40 | Nidhoggr | that's where it's hanging |
| 03:21.05 | Quol | ahhh - so should I leave the default group alone then - and just overide registered group? |
| 03:21.29 | ill | if you don't want to require identification, you shouldn't need to do anything.. |
| 03:21.36 | ill | unless someone goofed |
| 03:22.11 | Quol | ill - did you read my comment a couple of paragraphs above? it forces you to by default in 1.10.3 CVS |
| 03:22.21 | ill | from what is looks like, requireidentify is not being added to any group by default |
| 03:22.26 | Patlabor221 | is this what a PZ tank should look like? |
| 03:22.30 | ill | quol, yes i did.. not sure why, though |
| 03:22.34 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/BZ/PZ.png |
| 03:22.55 | ill | quol, is requireidentify listed anywhere in your group file? |
| 03:23.10 | Quol | ill - maybe it was changed in latest CVS for some reason? |
| 03:23.15 | Quol | no |
| 03:23.34 | Quol | and 1.10.2 using the same config files (including group and all that) is OK |
| 03:24.07 | ill | not sure if it was in a group before |
| 03:24.08 | Quol | I just restarted it yesterday using 1.10.3 - and registered players must identify themselves |
| 03:24.21 | ill | Patlabor221: looks good regardless |
| 03:24.34 | Quol | this is new no? I don't remember that in 1.10.0??? not sure about 1.10.2 |
| 03:25.02 | ill | definately not 1.10.0 |
| 03:25.07 | ill | not sure when thereafter |
| 03:25.21 | ill | probably added in 1.10.3 |
| 03:25.58 | ill | just as a test, try running it without a groups file, if you would |
| 03:26.20 | Quol | that's what I figured learner....anyways - looks like it is in teh default group by default (if that makes any sense) or in the registered group - I will mess around with the registered group and see what happens |
| 03:27.02 | ill | quol, it doesn't do it for my 1.10.3 servers so if it does for you... bug |
| 03:27.32 | Quol | REF:SUPERKILL PLAYERLIST COUNTDOWN |
| 03:27.32 | Quol | COPS:SUPERKILL PLAYERLIST COUNTDOWN KICK BAN BANLIST UNBAN |
| 03:27.44 | Quol | that's all I have in my group file |
| 03:27.57 | Quol | and 1.10.2 doesn't do it?? |
| 03:28.40 | ill | I'm saying if you move the file out of the way, does it require a registered player to identify still? |
| 03:29.01 | Quol | umm - let me restart it and see... |
| 03:29.21 | ill | you definately should not need to modify the group file with those settings |
| 03:29.31 | ill | probably a bug |
| 03:30.21 | Quol | just take out the group file? or the users files also? |
| 03:30.56 | ill | just thr group file |
| 03:31.11 | ill | unless you get some error about a group being missing |
| 03:31.46 | Quol | well - it started up - let me check and see |
| 03:31.53 | ill | MrApathyCream: apparently there are client/server issues with the latest changes |
| 03:32.05 | Quol | nope - same thing |
| 03:32.37 | ill | 1.10.[02] users cannot connect to 1.10.3 servers reportedly without the server crashing after a short while |
| 03:33.53 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/BUGS: requireidentify in a default group somehow?? |
| 03:34.09 | Quol | I thought that shkoo fixed that? maybe I am wrong though |
| 03:34.27 | Quol | but yes - my last night's build crashed 3 times today |
| 03:34.28 | MrApathyCream | ill? regarding? |
| 03:34.54 | ill | 1.10.x users connecting to the most recent servers -- they crash |
| 03:34.59 | Quol | all have to do with "Unsuported response from server during flag negotiations" |
| 03:35.07 | ill | apparently there are many assumptions regarding flagId == teamId |
| 03:35.17 | ill | that can't be fixed until protocol is broked |
| 03:35.23 | Quol | that's what they get after they try to log on |
| 03:35.45 | ill | yeah, I think that's related |
| 03:36.26 | MrApathyCream | anyone have a stacktrace? |
| 03:36.39 | ill | Tim said no good. Old clients need to be able to connect to new servers |
| 03:36.40 | Quol | <shkoo> [18:32] quol: it's the idle thing. i committed the fix this morning. |
| 03:36.47 | Quol | from my log |
| 03:37.01 | ill | isn't that a different problem q? |
| 03:37.18 | ill | players were getting kicked after being idle incorrectly, messing up the server |
| 03:37.19 | Quol | that's after I asked about the above error I just pasted.. |
| 03:37.28 | Quol | maybe - not sure |
| 03:37.43 | ill | i think they're unrelated, but not positive |
| 03:38.09 | Quol | I just did a cvs update and rebuilt about an hour ago though - so we will see if it happens again |
| 03:38.09 | MrApathyCream | Of there is a problem, it probably is that there's isn't 4 slots open at the front of the flag list for the team flags |
| 03:38.21 | Quol | seems that every couple of hours it crashed today.. |
| 03:38.22 | MrApathyCream | altho i don't recall the client using that info |
| 03:39.29 | ill | he said it was implicit assumptions about the flag == team index, so perhaps teams were getting messed up |
| 03:39.30 | Quol | sorry - i shouldn't say crashed - but that it rejected all clients with the above message - but the server was running :) |
| 03:39.51 | ill | i noticed just today that I couldn't capture someone elses flag in the multiflag map |
| 03:40.11 | ill | yet they could capture mine after several seconds of waiting on the base |
| 03:40.16 | Quol | maybe it's related with the muilt flags?? |
| 03:40.26 | Quol | multi :) |
| 03:41.41 | MrApathyCream | i doubt it |
| 03:41.44 | Noodleman | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=93020&cid=7991287 |
| 03:41.56 | MrApathyCream | ill with an old client? |
| 03:41.58 | Quol | learner: once I take out the password, users, and group file it's OK |
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| 03:42.05 | KR | hi all |
| 03:42.12 | MrApathyCream | old clients can only capture on the flag that shows on radar |
| 03:42.16 | Quol | which makes sense as then there are no users in any groups since they don't exist |
| 03:43.00 | Quol | but as soon as I add the user/pass/group files, then users are forced to identify in order to spawn in and play |
| 03:46.52 | ill | MrApathyCream: i was using the latest, don't know about them |
| 03:48.09 | Quol | can't even overide that at the group level it seems...?? |
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| 03:50.19 | MrApathyCream | can you run it in the debugger? |
| 03:51.42 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 03:51.54 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist17 |
| 03:54.08 | MrApathyCream | i like the demands for better spawn algorithms like we can do soemthing about it |
| 03:55.16 | Patlabor221 | you can put it back to client |
| 03:55.24 | Patlabor221 | untill it can be implemented proper |
| 03:56.01 | MrApathyCream | one could but that would break the precious protocol |
| 03:56.11 | MrApathyCream | besides, tim wouldn't have it |
| 03:56.21 | Patlabor221 | then tell them to mail Tim |
| 04:01.09 | Quol | ha - lol |
| 04:01.22 | Quol | I took a guess and added |
| 04:01.22 | Quol | DEFAULT:LAGSTATS IDLESTATS IDENTIFY FLAGHISTORY NOREQUIREIDENTIFY |
| 04:01.22 | Quol | REGISTERED:NOREQUIREIDENTIFY |
| 04:01.36 | Quol | and now it works :) |
| 04:01.51 | Quol | you don't have to identify yourself now |
| 04:04.17 | Quol | err - never mind that - I am just stupid - that's all... |
| 04:04.35 | Quol | DEFAULT:LAGSTATS IDLESTATS IDENTIFY FLAGHISTORY |
| 04:04.35 | Quol | REGISTERED:LAGSTATS IDLESTATS IDENTIFY FLAGHISTORY |
| 04:04.42 | Quol | that seems to overide it also |
| 04:08.58 | Quol | hmm - now I realy feel stupid - I deleted my account - and that's why I don't have to identify myself - nothing worked - as soon as my account was registered again, I have to identify to spawn in....lol |
| 04:09.43 | Quol | oh well - no worries I guess - see you all later- bed time for me...see you all around |
| 04:22.45 | Patlabor221 | so where would "ongoing" tasks go in the task tracker on SF |
| 04:23.02 | Patlabor221 | like stuff that won't break protocoll but it's critical? |
| 04:23.21 | MrApathyCream | i duuno |
| 04:23.30 | MrApathyCream | learner is the task master |
| 04:23.48 | Patlabor221 | well boyo ain't here |
| 04:24.02 | MrApathyCream | nup |
| 04:27.48 | Patlabor221 | bloody hell don't people look for closed bugs before they report them? |
| 04:28.26 | MrApathyCream | anyone play-test on brlcad:14246 ? |
| 04:29.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah one sec |
| 04:34.54 | Patlabor221 | wheee for strings that are too short |
| 04:35.07 | Patlabor221 | hell was there like a shortage of chars back in the day? |
| 04:35.25 | Patlabor221 | where we had to make hud strings exactly as long as the longest flag they thought of? |
| 04:36.00 | creeperz | what would that be? |
| 04:36.11 | Patlabor221 | it says // "Purple Team" is longest possible string for flag indicator |
| 04:36.21 | Patlabor221 | don't think that is the case any longer |
| 04:41.43 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: fix a buffer overrun, "purple team" the longest flag name, my ass. |
| 04:45.08 | scanline | hah |
| 04:46.05 | Patlabor221 | I guess somone was trying to shim bytes off the ram usage |
| 04:46.31 | Patlabor221 | should have cut down those pesky frame buffers first, they are ram hogs |
| 04:47.02 | Patlabor221 | well so far 22 out of 23 people have hardware rendering of some sort |
| 04:49.16 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm, watch underworld or make texturemanager actualy manage textures? |
| 04:50.29 | Patlabor221 | that buffer overrun was kinda cool, the VC7 debuger caught it as I was running and let me break and fix it then compile and continue |
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| 04:52.19 | MrApathyCream | Oscillating Overthruster |
| 04:52.21 | MrApathyCream | is bigger |
| 04:53.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:54.01 | Patlabor221 | I don't know what they was thinking |
| 04:54.05 | Patlabor221 | so I fixed it |
| 04:54.06 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 04:54.13 | Patlabor221 | 64 should be fine |
| 04:54.34 | MrApathyCream | one would think |
| 04:54.38 | MrApathyCream | it will break somewhere else, first |
| 04:54.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:54.59 | scanline | why does it have to be a fixed length? |
| 04:55.03 | Patlabor221 | it used sprintf so I idn't want to play with making a std::string |
| 04:55.10 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't it was just the quickyfix |
| 04:55.33 | scanline | all the flag names are literals, right? so wouldn't they all just be const char *? |
| 04:55.49 | MrApathyCream | yeah |
| 04:56.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah it could be redone |
| 04:57.09 | scanline | it also seems that now that bzflag requires the STL, it could use std::string for that sort of thing :) |
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| 04:59.16 | MrApathyCream | scanline: now your talking crazy |
| 04:59.20 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: cus scanline whines a lot |
| 04:59.59 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: well, he did just finish going through a multiple-choice psychological examination |
| 05:03.08 | Patlabor221 | how did he do? |
| 05:03.10 | Patlabor221 | did he win? |
| 05:04.04 | captain_proton | i wouldn't presume to answer for him |
| 05:04.13 | Patlabor221 | awww come on presume |
| 05:04.14 | Patlabor221 | it's fun |
| 05:04.24 | Patlabor221 | all the COOOL kids are doing it |
| 05:04.38 | scanline | it didn't give me any results |
| 05:04.50 | Patlabor221 | then you must be super genius |
| 05:04.53 | scanline | those are locked away for the people to use later when writing their PhD papers or whatever |
| 05:05.21 | scanline | must be a lot of people writing PhD papers on eating disorders and depression though |
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| 05:11.54 | SGI | guys the new 10.3 is great...the graphics |
| 05:12.06 | MrApathyCream | that woudl be Patlabor221 |
| 05:12.15 | SGI | thank you for the wonderful job |
| 05:12.28 | GuidedMonkey | yeah, thanks devs |
| 05:12.56 | MrApathyCream | sgi try out brlcad.org 14246? |
| 05:14.56 | creeperz | when will the next release be? |
| 05:15.08 | MrApathyCream | soon |
| 05:15.15 | MrApathyCream | depends on bugs, etc |
| 05:15.29 | creeperz | i see |
| 05:15.35 | creeperz | interesting |
| 05:15.58 | MrApathyCream | so the requireidentify bug, isn't really a bug? |
| 05:17.07 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o MrApathyCream] by ChanServ |
| 05:17.25 | MrApathyCream | i wonder if how many passwords you can grab if you change your nick to identify |
| 05:17.55 | MrApathyCream | so stl dudes, is this legal |
| 05:18.02 | MrApathyCream | std::vector<int> v; |
| 05:18.05 | MrApathyCream | v.resize(4); |
| 05:18.12 | MrApathyCream | v.clear(); |
| 05:18.14 | MrApathyCream | v[0] = 1; |
| 05:18.15 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 05:18.22 | SGI | MrApathyCream I cant open the url |
| 05:18.31 | MrApathyCream | pick it from the join menu |
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| 05:21.19 | SGI | I have some kind of problem with my internet tonight |
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| 05:22.16 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 05:23.43 | SGI | Eolas |
| 05:24.26 | SGI | who know how much for Eolas |
| 05:26.20 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@pcp05927753pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 05:42.18 | shkoo | mac: no, that is not valid. |
| 05:44.24 | MrApathyCream | so even tho capacity > 0, still need to resize? |
| 05:45.51 | shkoo | yes |
| 05:46.13 | shkoo | it will probably work depending on the STL implementation, but it is not guaranteed to work per spec. |
| 05:46.58 | shkoo | it certainly won't work with any data types that have nontrivial initializers. |
| 05:47.30 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:47.39 | MrApathyCream | v.resize(4); |
| 05:47.42 | MrApathyCream | v.clear(); |
| 05:47.54 | MrApathyCream | v.resize(1); //probably won't cause heap allocation, right? |
| 05:48.45 | shkoo | yeah, but instead of v.resize(4);v.clear(); it's probably more readable and effecient to use v.reserve(4); |
| 05:49.11 | MrApathyCream | well, i'm not really doing that |
| 05:49.16 | MrApathyCream | just doing v.resize(1) |
| 05:49.21 | MrApathyCream | as needed, |
| 05:49.25 | MrApathyCream | then every frame doing a v.clear(); |
| 05:49.39 | MrApathyCream | i just don't want heap allocs every frame |
| 05:49.45 | MrApathyCream | i'd assume that won't happen |
| 05:50.01 | shkoo | yeah, when you make it just do a v.reserve(4) at the beginning and that'll allocate enough heap for 4 items. |
| 05:50.19 | MrApathyCream | i don't really know how many i'm going to have |
| 05:50.28 | MrApathyCream | but it should be consistant from frame frame to frame |
| 05:50.38 | MrApathyCream | so the first frame there will be a heap alloc, but after that.... |
| 05:51.05 | shkoo | oh, right. |
| 05:51.27 | shkoo | hold on, i'll check sgi stl. |
| 05:52.43 | shkoo | yes, g++-3 stl doesn't deallocate upon clear() |
| 05:52.52 | shkoo | so you're good with gcc. :) |
| 05:53.21 | MrApathyCream | yah, ok |
| 05:56.08 | MrApathyCream | cool fixed multiple flag markers |
| 05:56.30 | MrApathyCream | so i guess resize(1) just calls the constructor of the item |
| 05:56.40 | shkoo | yeah. |
| 06:01.45 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h playing.cxx): musta been on crack, multiple hud flag markers now draw as needed |
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| 06:36.41 | MrApathyCream | 23-23 have 3d vid cards |
| 06:38.28 | SportChick | learner, are you still sick? |
| 06:42.49 | MrApathyCream | mac probably isn't |
| 06:44.58 | MrApathyCream | whatcha doin? |
| 06:51.43 | MrApathyCream | enjoy |
| 06:54.56 | Nidhoggr | mac... the zero velocity shot thing has to be a bug. it was a regular/trusted user that was having client problems |
| 06:55.55 | Nidhoggr | although when someone figures it out, I'm sure it'll be in a cheat client. :( |
| 06:56.33 | MrApathyCream | scanline: how goes the bzflag c++ font system? |
| 06:56.58 | MrApathyCream | Nidhoggr: world parms changed at all? |
| 06:57.00 | scanline | I committed it last week, but tim reverted it :P |
| 06:57.08 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:57.20 | MrApathyCream | he doesn't seem to do that anymore |
| 06:57.28 | scanline | but it was funny |
| 06:57.45 | MrApathyCream | for all intents and purposes hated my checkin, but said *shrug*, ok |
| 06:57.48 | Nidhoggr | not really, MAC. the world is the same as always. |
| 06:57.51 | MrApathyCream | gotta fix dem bugs |
| 06:57.55 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 06:58.01 | MrApathyCream | Nidhoggr: ok |
| 06:58.16 | Nidhoggr | our admins are hammering the daylights out of daily builds. |
| 06:58.29 | MrApathyCream | Nidhoggr: oan, were you the one that put together bzfs.conf originally? |
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| 06:59.08 | Nidhoggr | yes, mac |
| 06:59.27 | Nidhoggr | because I was so appreciative of your coding :) |
| 06:59.45 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:59.48 | MrApathyCream | well... |
| 06:59.59 | MrApathyCream | it would be good if 'someone' looked to see if it needs updating |
| 07:00.13 | Nidhoggr | most certainly. I'll look at it tomorrow. |
| 07:00.34 | SportChick | bbl...gonna see if I can run new compile on laptop |
| 07:00.34 | MrApathyCream | cool thanks |
| 07:00.39 | Nidhoggr | it's midnight and I have a cold again... so I'm not really coherent. |
| 07:01.27 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221 does his best work under the influence of cough meds |
| 07:01.41 | MrApathyCream | Nidhoggr: pull the covers up high |
| 07:01.44 | Nidhoggr | I was stunned by all the work he did the other day. |
| 07:01.47 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 07:01.55 | Nidhoggr | my monovision breaks when I am tired. |
| 07:02.28 | Nidhoggr | monovision: where the undercorrect 1 eye so you don't need reading glasses |
| 07:02.47 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:02.54 | Nidhoggr | my focus goes wonky |
| 07:02.55 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 07:03.06 | Nidhoggr | my distance works okay still though |
| 07:03.20 | MrApathyCream | just need a wireless keyboard |
| 07:03.40 | Nidhoggr | my keyboard is noisy and obnoxious. :) |
| 07:03.45 | Nidhoggr | I want a nice wireless. |
| 07:04.10 | Nidhoggr | monvision is nice for computer work :) |
| 07:05.08 | Nidhoggr | time for bed. night MAC |
| 07:05.12 | Nidhoggr | nite everyone |
| 07:05.16 | Nidhoggr | & |
| 07:05.21 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
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| 07:06.55 | SportChick | Pat, Mac: I had a decidedly odd thing happen with newest compile, which we just loaded |
| 07:07.12 | Patlabor221 | did it speak in tounges? |
| 07:07.28 | SportChick | It works just fine on mozul's desktop, but on my laptop it is weird. I tried on high res first, which of course is very very hard for me to run. |
| 07:07.35 | SportChick | so I went to medium...still pretty laggy |
| 07:07.57 | MrApathyCream | what server? |
| 07:08.06 | SportChick | so I went to low. That's where the problem occurred. The entire top 1/2 of the screen was blacked out (the pyramid, etc.), although I could see the scores and stuff just fine. |
| 07:08.10 | SportChick | secretplace |
| 07:08.19 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 07:08.36 | SportChick | remember...I'm on my slow laggy laptop |
| 07:09.00 | Patlabor221 | what did the last version run? |
| 07:09.45 | SportChick | in english |
| 07:09.57 | SportChick | mozul checked on his computer and it runs okay, though |
| 07:09.57 | Patlabor221 | how did the last version run |
| 07:10.08 | Patlabor221 | and what settings did you run it under? on the laptop? |
| 07:10.13 | SportChick | I didn't try last one on laptop...I can download and run it |
| 07:10.19 | Patlabor221 | please |
| 07:10.24 | SportChick | I was running on the desktop earlier today |
| 07:10.27 | SportChick | okay, hold on |
| 07:10.38 | Patlabor221 | I'm trying to narow down where the problems are |
| 07:11.20 | SportChick | no problem...it'll just take me a minute |
| 07:16.06 | SportChick | same problem with low settings on morning's compile. Gonna test yesterday's now |
| 07:18.31 | SportChick | same problem with Jan 14 (AM) compile. |
| 07:18.38 | SportChick | how far back do you want me to go? |
| 07:19.19 | SportChick | Pat? |
| 07:19.54 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 07:20.05 | Patlabor221 | so same problem in low with textures off? |
| 07:20.18 | Blue_Beard | SportChick- When in doubt, kick shins. It always works. ;) |
| 07:20.18 | SportChick | I wonder if it has something to do with my video card, since mozul doens't have same problem on his computer |
| 07:20.24 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: how goes the model-loading bits? |
| 07:20.38 | Patlabor221 | not doing model loading yet |
| 07:20.38 | SportChick | oh...wait..let me go check something else |
| 07:20.49 | Patlabor221 | going to redo texture manager so it can do material sorts |
| 07:20.51 | captain_proton | ah |
| 07:20.53 | Patlabor221 | then add a GL list manager |
| 07:21.01 | Patlabor221 | then a visial element manager |
| 07:21.10 | Patlabor221 | then you can port the sky to the visual element manager |
| 07:21.32 | Patlabor221 | you know it's not doing any texture sorting now, just binds when it needs to |
| 07:21.40 | captain_proton | yup |
| 07:21.41 | Patlabor221 | in a random sing-song sort of maner |
| 07:21.47 | Patlabor221 | no wonder it's horible slow |
| 07:23.05 | SportChick | okay...so here's what I found: Jan 14 (w/ texturing off and both of today's compiles have same problem for me. |
| 07:23.24 | Patlabor221 | who made the ones today? |
| 07:23.26 | Patlabor221 | nid? |
| 07:23.42 | captain_proton | how exactly will the visual element manager work? |
| 07:23.47 | Patlabor221 | the big change is between the 13th and the 14th |
| 07:23.54 | SportChick | and I'm running a Rage LT Pro AGP 2x |
| 07:24.18 | Blue_Beard | Err. Grrr.. stupid X-Chat. |
| 07:24.21 | Blue_Beard | Oh well.. time for bed. |
| 07:24.23 | Blue_Beard | Laterz. |
| 07:24.30 | Patlabor221 | cap it will provide an abstration between game objects and drawable things |
| 07:24.34 | SportChick | I don't have the one from the 13th, I think mine was from last Friday or something |
| 07:24.45 | SportChick | bye spiff |
| 07:24.53 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you may want to look at pybzflag's drawables |
| 07:25.03 | Patlabor221 | all drawable things will register stuff to draw based on texture, so they can be sorted |
| 07:25.09 | Patlabor221 | yes I want to look at what was done there |
| 07:25.26 | SportChick | the two I downloaded today were compiled by Nid, I presume. He provided them to the admins |
| 07:25.37 | Patlabor221 | can you try the 13th |
| 07:25.51 | Patlabor221 | if it's what I think it is, then all the ones past the 14th are the same |
| 07:25.52 | SportChick | Pat: confirm, please that you DID see that mozul's works just fine. I typed that earlier |
| 07:25.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:26.01 | SportChick | k |
| 07:26.07 | Patlabor221 | difrent cards = way difrent results |
| 07:26.12 | SportChick | bb in a minute...I'm gonna try a reboot too |
| 07:26.14 | Patlabor221 | I don't think it's a code "error" |
| 07:26.28 | Patlabor221 | I think it's a seting that you used to be able to set that isn't setable now |
| 07:26.32 | SportChick | the one I have was from either you or mac from last friday, I think...is that okay to use |
| 07:26.44 | Patlabor221 | that your little rage don't like and his dosnt' mind |
| 07:26.45 | SportChick | I don't have one specifically from the 13th |
| 07:26.55 | Patlabor221 | 1 sec |
| 07:27.40 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/BZ/10.3/bzflagW32-1.10.3-2003.13.1.exe |
| 07:27.46 | Patlabor221 | I didn't take the old one down |
| 07:27.55 | SportChick | k downloading |
| 07:28.17 | SportChick | awww...I already have that one |
| 07:28.40 | Patlabor221 | cap I was gonna look at the pybzflag draw system, but sadly I got some paying work that came in :( |
| 07:29.38 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it wouldn't be as cool in C++, but it'd be a nice architecture nonetheless |
| 07:29.50 | Patlabor221 | describe it to me |
| 07:29.58 | SportChick | everything is a mess...brb..gonna reboot |
| 07:30.07 | captain_proton | its a tad complicated, but i'll try |
| 07:30.21 | captain_proton | each object returns a list of drawables |
| 07:31.03 | captain_proton | after creating a monster list of drawables, it sorts by a number of characteristics (blending, overlay, texture, decal, reflection, etc) |
| 07:31.09 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 07:31.22 | Patlabor221 | then calls the drawables |
| 07:31.29 | scanline | not quite |
| 07:31.32 | scanline | this was the cool part :) |
| 07:31.37 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 07:31.55 | scanline | it has a bunch of 'rendering pass' objects that have different priorities and filters that specify what drawables they're interested in |
| 07:32.17 | Patlabor221 | how does a pass know what drawables it wants? |
| 07:32.17 | scanline | the drawables were sorted into those rendering passes (by texture) then the rendering passes were run according to priority |
| 07:32.22 | scanline | there's a filter function |
| 07:32.27 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 07:32.48 | Patlabor221 | sounds just like the one I made, just using the coolness of python |
| 07:32.58 | scanline | so, for doing a HUD, you'd just add a rendering pass and the HUD drawables would be sorted into that pass for example |
| 07:33.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
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| 07:33.07 | scanline | well, it does turn out really cool in python |
| 07:33.25 | Patlabor221 | mine had passes and priority together |
| 07:34.24 | Patlabor221 | and it didn't really return a list, as it used derived classes, you just added a draw object pointer with a material and a priority/pass |
| 07:34.59 | SportChick | Pat, Jan13 version still has same problem |
| 07:35.00 | Patlabor221 | then when the drawer was called you got back the same info, and a user param, so you could have the same object draw multiple parts/passes/textures |
| 07:35.10 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I dono |
| 07:35.15 | SportChick | got an older one? |
| 07:35.29 | Patlabor221 | no that was the first real build we made with all these changes |
| 07:35.31 | SportChick | or is it worth trying older |
| 07:35.35 | SportChick | hmmmmm |
| 07:35.37 | Patlabor221 | try just raw 1.10.2 |
| 07:35.44 | SportChick | k...brb |
| 07:35.55 | Patlabor221 | and is that with or without textures? |
| 07:36.16 | Patlabor221 | scanline it seems like we were thinking of the same thing, yours just has a lot more slickness |
| 07:36.34 | Patlabor221 | I wish to implement something like that in BZ |
| 07:36.36 | Patlabor221 | it needs it |
| 07:37.07 | Patlabor221 | then you guys can do the sky and all sorts of cool slickness |
| 07:37.26 | Patlabor221 | but first I have to get the core manager services set up proper, textures and lists |
| 07:37.35 | SportChick | it's still there in 1.10.2 |
| 07:37.41 | Patlabor221 | then isn't me |
| 07:37.42 | SportChick | without textures |
| 07:37.54 | Patlabor221 | you running current drivers for that little rage |
| 07:38.00 | Patlabor221 | horible card that it is :) |
| 07:38.04 | SportChick | but if I move up to medium quality, I don't have that problem |
| 07:38.10 | Patlabor221 | it's only at low? |
| 07:38.15 | SportChick | yes I am running most current...unfortunately the card is really old |
| 07:38.18 | SportChick | yes, only at low |
| 07:38.23 | Patlabor221 | probably a hint mode, or blend mode then |
| 07:38.39 | Patlabor221 | those cards have problems with a lot of GL stuff |
| 07:38.40 | SportChick | doyou need to know other settings? |
| 07:38.43 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 07:38.44 | SportChick | k |
| 07:38.48 | Patlabor221 | so just run in medium |
| 07:38.57 | Patlabor221 | and turn off lighting and smothing |
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| 07:39.03 | SportChick | it is off |
| 07:39.06 | SportChick | I think |
| 07:39.16 | SportChick | dunno...I've tried changing so many settings |
| 07:39.18 | Patlabor221 | I can't play on my laptop with a rage mobility |
| 07:39.28 | SportChick | I can't remember what I'm running now...gotta go look |
| 07:39.36 | captain_proton | such a horrid horrid chip |
| 07:39.47 | Patlabor221 | I would do medium as it's not much geo dif, textures off, no lighting, no shadows, and smothing and blending off |
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| 07:40.01 | Patlabor221 | it'll look like crap but it shoudl get you at least 15 fps |
| 07:40.02 | SportChick | yup...sounds like a plan |
| 07:40.17 | Patlabor221 | and if you must turn off z buffer |
| 07:40.17 | SportChick | dunno...we were barely getting 15 with mozul's computer running by itself |
| 07:40.26 | SportChick | when I add mine, I'm afraid of what that will do |
| 07:40.30 | SportChick | (we're on a router) |
| 07:40.32 | Patlabor221 | what does he have? |
| 07:40.44 | SportChick | the one I told you about earlier...the desktop |
| 07:40.55 | Patlabor221 | ahh yeah |
| 07:40.56 | SportChick | that's what I was testing on earlier this afternoon when we were testing lag |
| 07:41.06 | Patlabor221 | well your testing FPS |
| 07:41.14 | Patlabor221 | and low FPS is inducing lag |
| 07:41.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah that fury is just 2 rage pro's on a single card in an odd SLI type arangement |
| 07:41.57 | SportChick | fine! burst my already depleted bubble |
| 07:42.01 | SportChick | :) |
| 07:42.18 | SportChick | I KNOW I need a new computer |
| 07:42.36 | Patlabor221 | how fast is the CPU in the desktop? |
| 07:42.55 | Patlabor221 | well actualy oddly enough try turngin off z buffer |
| 07:43.00 | SportChick | but unless you gusy wanna start PAYING me for my testing (and I KNOW you don't get paid for developing), then...well, it will have to wait |
| 07:43.10 | SportChick | z buffer? hmmmm...is that in options? |
| 07:43.14 | Patlabor221 | that will put you in a BSP type scene, it may help on the geo limit |
| 07:43.16 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 07:43.26 | SportChick | desktop cpu is 450mHz |
| 07:43.37 | Patlabor221 | you just need a new card in there |
| 07:43.44 | Patlabor221 | a GF2MX is like $30 |
| 07:44.56 | SportChick | is z buffer the same as "depth buffer"? |
| 07:45.05 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:45.26 | SportChick | yes, but I have a screen that is 1/3 broken...no reason to put more money in this old thing...we're holding off trying to save money for mozul to build me a new computer |
| 07:45.45 | Patlabor221 | I'm not saying on the lapy, I mean on the desktop |
| 07:45.57 | Patlabor221 | no 3d card dosn't have a z buffer |
| 07:46.06 | Patlabor221 | but BZ ties another item to that controll |
| 07:46.15 | Patlabor221 | the sceene type |
| 07:46.34 | Patlabor221 | it can help geo limited cards |
| 07:46.41 | Patlabor221 | by doing the BSP scene |
| 07:47.13 | SportChick | he wants a new computer too...you gotta convince HIM |
| 07:47.46 | Patlabor221 | well a new card in there would speed up drawing for you |
| 07:47.59 | Patlabor221 | and you can get giger celly's and durrons cheap |
| 07:48.09 | triclops_pb | so z-buffer for card that can have tons of geo thrown at them, and use fancy BSP for card that can't take it |
| 07:48.13 | Patlabor221 | uslay under 300-250 |
| 07:48.35 | Patlabor221 | no, the BSP trims down the geo |
| 07:48.37 | Patlabor221 | it's a good thing |
| 07:48.44 | Patlabor221 | but on a fast geo system |
| 07:49.03 | Patlabor221 | like a T+L card the bsp is slower then what the card can cull so you don't want to use it |
| 07:49.11 | Patlabor221 | the BSP hapens in CPU |
| 07:49.15 | triclops_pb | yep |
| 07:49.25 | Patlabor221 | if the BSP is slower to cull then the card then it's pointless |
| 07:49.39 | Patlabor221 | on her system the BSP may be faster then the card cull |
| 07:49.50 | Patlabor221 | BZ really should make the setings seperate, but they don't |
| 07:50.14 | triclops_pb | is the bsp tree compiled once in bz? |
| 07:50.38 | Patlabor221 | the scene is kinda kept in a bzp so it's built up as objects are added |
| 07:50.42 | Patlabor221 | but I didn't look at it that much |
| 07:50.48 | Patlabor221 | it's got problems |
| 07:50.53 | Patlabor221 | it's not totaly correct |
| 07:51.11 | SportChick | here's another odd one for you... |
| 07:51.14 | captain_proton | bsps seem silly |
| 07:51.24 | captain_proton | seems like just some real frustum culling would do the trick |
| 07:51.28 | Patlabor221 | I'm not even sure this is a "real" bsp |
| 07:51.31 | SportChick | I was in dragon...settings all off except quality was medium...my text box wouldn't show anything |
| 07:51.41 | SportChick | no writing, no lagstats, nothing |
| 07:51.53 | Patlabor221 | well it does brute force frustum now, it needs somethign that does fast group exclusion for large maps |
| 07:52.00 | SportChick | and mozul is insisting it's time to go to sleep |
| 07:52.13 | Patlabor221 | make sure your in 16 bit color |
| 07:52.19 | SportChick | so I can't test anymore tonight..okay, brb |
| 07:52.20 | Patlabor221 | and try blend on/off |
| 07:52.54 | SportChick | weird, now it's 1/2 there and I didn't do anything but toggle back |
| 07:53.24 | Patlabor221 | I think that system has "issues" |
| 07:53.32 | Patlabor221 | I have a rage 128 system |
| 07:53.36 | Patlabor221 | I will test it on it tomorow |
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| 07:53.44 | SportChick | okay...sorry. |
| 07:53.47 | Patlabor221 | you running direct X 9? |
| 07:53.54 | Patlabor221 | and what version of windows? |
| 07:53.59 | SportChick | 98SE |
| 07:54.06 | Patlabor221 | ugg |
| 07:54.12 | SportChick | how do I check which version of direct X? |
| 07:54.14 | captain_proton | at least its not ME |
| 07:54.19 | Patlabor221 | yeah least it's not me |
| 07:54.23 | Patlabor221 | go to windows update |
| 07:54.29 | Patlabor221 | and see if it wants to give you new stuff |
| 07:54.33 | Patlabor221 | if it does, say yes |
| 07:54.34 | SportChick | k |
| 07:55.52 | triclops_pb | Patlabor221: do you know why graphics isn't running in a seperate thread? |
| 07:56.19 | Patlabor221 | cus the thing is OLD |
| 07:56.26 | Patlabor221 | why isn't net running in another thread? |
| 07:56.28 | Patlabor221 | and game |
| 07:56.30 | Patlabor221 | and all of it |
| 07:56.32 | triclops_pb | hehe |
| 07:56.40 | Patlabor221 | why does it not even sort on texture |
| 07:56.53 | Patlabor221 | why does it asume that the longest flag name is 11 characters? |
| 07:56.58 | Patlabor221 | why why why |
| 07:57.02 | SportChick | i'm fully updated already |
| 07:57.12 | Patlabor221 | then I dono |
| 07:57.20 | SportChick | k |
| 07:57.24 | triclops_pb | lol |
| 07:57.29 | SportChick | go to sleep them...I'm gonna |
| 07:57.29 | Patlabor221 | maybe go back to G2 and see if it has the problem |
| 07:57.36 | Patlabor221 | have a good night |
| 07:57.42 | Patlabor221 | over there by the beach |
| 07:57.51 | SportChick | u2 thanks for the help today |
| 07:58.30 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 08:00.21 | triclops_pb | i gotta rewrite a lot of the client for thesis, maybe i'll have lots of threads... |
| 08:01.02 | Patlabor221 | what do they add? and what are the drawbacks? |
| 08:01.59 | triclops_pb | drawbacks: possible concurrency issues that could increase complexity |
| 08:02.31 | Patlabor221 | soudns like it's something to do after the client is all cleaned up |
| 08:02.34 | triclops_pb | add: simplify some of the code, especially from an OO point of view |
| 08:02.40 | Patlabor221 | and gfx and game and net are all seperate |
| 08:02.47 | triclops_pb | yeah |
| 08:02.53 | Patlabor221 | well we can simplfy the code with out threads |
| 08:03.12 | Patlabor221 | I don't think that a real part of the threads, just somethig you have to do first |
| 08:03.57 | Patlabor221 | then do the threads later |
| 08:04.02 | scanline | triclops_pb: a good model for asynchronous processing can make threads unnecessary in most places |
| 08:04.11 | scanline | triclops_pb: looked at Twisted? |
| 08:04.19 | Patlabor221 | I would think threads would be a lot more important or at least good async would be the server |
| 08:04.30 | triclops_pb | scanline: no, where is it at? |
| 08:04.36 | scanline | http://twistedmatrix.com |
| 08:04.40 | Patlabor221 | would not cross plat threads be "phun" ? |
| 08:04.54 | scanline | it's a python networking framework, does everything asynchronously yet has good OO design |
| 08:04.55 | triclops_pb | oh that was the other disadvantage |
| 08:05.19 | triclops_pb | hehe python |
| 08:05.22 | scanline | threads are good if you need to do a lot of tasks that are CPU-bound, but async I/O is much better when you have many slow I/O connections to service |
| 08:05.59 | scanline | I don't think the bzflag client has either.. and threads get tricky when you have a rendering thread trying to hog all the CPU |
| 08:06.06 | scanline | and the bzflag server IMHO would be much better off with async I/O |
| 08:06.16 | Patlabor221 | it needs something |
| 08:06.40 | triclops_pb | hmm, lots of considerations |
| 08:06.49 | Patlabor221 | it is just a game, it's not like it needs to get all cool with multiple CPUs |
| 08:07.07 | Patlabor221 | we should just make it a halflife mod |
| 08:07.32 | triclops_pb | but the rich people with multiple cpus need a reason to play bzflag :) |
| 08:07.50 | Patlabor221 | how bout cus it's fun :) |
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| 08:07.58 | Patlabor221 | and not cus they want to flex there digital penis |
| 08:08.17 | Pimpinella | hi |
| 08:08.43 | Pimpinella | Patlabor221: the new look of bzflag is great |
| 08:08.48 | triclops_pb | hehe. i'd do a halflife mod once its ported to something other than windows |
| 08:10.16 | Patlabor221 | halflife is on linux too IIRC |
| 08:10.19 | Patlabor221 | and the tosh |
| 08:10.23 | Patlabor221 | thanks pimp |
| 08:10.56 | triclops_pb | hmm, i've seen a halflife server for linux, but no client... |
| 08:11.08 | Patlabor221 | I know I've seen it on the tosh |
| 08:11.15 | Patlabor221 | it's like what a 6 year old game? |
| 08:11.38 | captain_proton | halflife is on linux through wine |
| 08:11.53 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 08:12.04 | Patlabor221 | it's UT that has a nix version then |
| 08:12.11 | triclops_pb | yep |
| 08:14.27 | Patlabor221 | ok a quakemod |
| 08:14.35 | Patlabor221 | it's not like at it's core it's that much difrent from quake |
| 08:14.52 | triclops_pb | apparently halflife was gonna be ported to the mac, then it got ditched |
| 08:14.58 | triclops_pb | yeah quake mod would work |
| 08:14.59 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 08:15.15 | captain_proton | hey neat |
| 08:15.22 | captain_proton | that snapshots guy actually thanked me |
| 08:15.24 | Patlabor221 | well I'm sure I got the HL2 source around here somwhere, maybe we can use that? :P |
| 08:15.40 | triclops_pb | lol |
| 08:16.31 | triclops_pb | quake mod would make my bot making easier too |
| 08:16.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah cept it would keep trying to hit you with an ake |
| 08:16.49 | Patlabor221 | axe |
| 08:17.22 | captain_proton | ooh, 3-day weekend coming up |
| 08:17.43 | captain_proton | and i think the only thing i have to do during it is write some code for this chaotics class |
| 08:21.12 | Patlabor221 | if your basing your thesis on this, really I'd just start it up from scratch |
| 08:21.26 | triclops_pb | i'm tempted |
| 08:21.40 | Patlabor221 | what doe BZ have that you need? |
| 08:21.52 | triclops_pb | hopefully a 1st class honours |
| 08:21.52 | Patlabor221 | just the fact that it's a network simulation? |
| 08:22.52 | Patlabor221 | you could mod quake into BZ easy enough |
| 08:23.04 | Patlabor221 | get you lots of ugly C code tho |
| 08:23.08 | triclops_pb | oh and my supervisor and assessor have some sort of vested intrest |
| 08:23.13 | triclops_pb | ek quake 1 |
| 08:23.27 | Patlabor221 | both quakes are lots of crap C |
| 08:23.43 | triclops_pb | quake3 |
| 08:23.50 | Patlabor221 | no source for that |
| 08:24.10 | Patlabor221 | still comercial products that use it, so no source |
| 08:24.18 | triclops_pb | oh, mod quake, not quake mod |
| 08:24.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah mod the game |
| 08:24.35 | Patlabor221 | use the open source engine |
| 08:24.44 | Patlabor221 | or use CS |
| 08:24.50 | triclops_pb | cs? |
| 08:24.55 | triclops_pb | counter strike? |
| 08:24.56 | Patlabor221 | crystalspace |
| 08:25.03 | triclops_pb | ahh crystal space |
| 08:25.04 | Patlabor221 | the engine |
| 08:25.24 | triclops_pb | yeah. i was considering starting from scratch and copy/pasting in the code from the orignal client |
| 08:25.37 | Patlabor221 | is all you really want the gameplay? |
| 08:25.42 | Patlabor221 | cus that part is prety simple |
| 08:25.51 | triclops_pb | nup, just a framework for bot api |
| 08:25.58 | Patlabor221 | even tho noone seems to know the rules and they are inconstent |
| 08:26.01 | Patlabor221 | no I mean from BZ |
| 08:26.11 | Patlabor221 | do you just want the BZ game play and rules? |
| 08:26.17 | Patlabor221 | cus BZ dosn't have a real "engine" |
| 08:26.56 | triclops_pb | yeah, that is pretty much all i'll need |
| 08:27.17 | Patlabor221 | so just define the game play in another system and replicate the visuals |
| 08:27.30 | Patlabor221 | and bing, one bzflag :) |
| 08:27.41 | Patlabor221 | probably run hella faster too |
| 08:27.48 | triclops_pb | hehe, start from scratch |
| 08:28.02 | Patlabor221 | no, start with existing parts that are better then the parts BZ has |
| 08:28.26 | triclops_pb | probably have lots of problems considering my extremely vast experince of game coding is nil |
| 08:28.44 | Patlabor221 | game coding is the same as all other coding |
| 08:28.44 | triclops_pb | yeah, but i'd use SDL instead of the platform thingo |
| 08:29.26 | Patlabor221 | you make the software do what you want it to do |
| 08:29.26 | Patlabor221 | just define rules |
| 08:29.26 | Patlabor221 | if you used CS or another engine you wouldn't have to use SDL |
| 08:29.33 | Patlabor221 | CS can do all that stuff for you |
| 08:29.35 | triclops_pb | hmm, good point |
| 08:29.47 | Patlabor221 | should have a network layer too |
| 08:29.50 | Patlabor221 | or use cube |
| 08:29.54 | Patlabor221 | cube is kewl :) |
| 08:30.00 | Patlabor221 | from a code standpoint |
| 08:30.00 | triclops_pb | cube is nice |
| 08:30.31 | triclops_pb | i'd have to implement the bzflag protocol. hopefully that will settle down soon |
| 08:30.51 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 08:31.06 | Patlabor221 | make it compatale with it'slf |
| 08:31.19 | Patlabor221 | or is what you really want is the current players? |
| 08:31.54 | triclops_pb | yep, i have to make bots. doesn't make sense spawning a whole seperate project where you have lots of bots but no one to play them |
| 08:32.07 | Patlabor221 | well if the game is good people will play |
| 08:32.15 | Patlabor221 | heck if the game is crap people will play :) |
| 08:32.25 | triclops_pb | maybe i'll switch to p24... ;) |
| 08:32.38 | Patlabor221 | it's cleaner then BZ for sure |
| 08:33.01 | Patlabor221 | but it sounds like one of your core requirements is to play agaist existing players in an existing game |
| 08:33.09 | Patlabor221 | pybzflag would be your best bet then |
| 08:33.15 | Patlabor221 | it has the protocoll layer |
| 08:33.20 | Patlabor221 | that's all you really need for a bot |
| 08:33.36 | Patlabor221 | and then just a rules layer |
| 08:33.42 | Patlabor221 | and that is simple |
| 08:34.07 | Patlabor221 | you don't need any of the bz rendering, sound, or world object code |
| 08:34.13 | triclops_pb | yeah, ideally i'd like to use the same rules layer for real people |
| 08:34.16 | Patlabor221 | your not gonna do collisions the same ways |
| 08:34.24 | Patlabor221 | well BZ dosn't have a rules layer |
| 08:34.35 | Patlabor221 | it has some logic that figures out when score changes |
| 08:34.41 | triclops_pb | thats the difficulty |
| 08:34.41 | Patlabor221 | and when stuff blows up |
| 08:35.02 | Patlabor221 | the "game" part of BZ comes more in the person/person interaction then the code |
| 08:35.23 | Patlabor221 | shoudl take less then a day to replate that layer in python |
| 08:35.43 | triclops_pb | after learning python |
| 08:35.45 | Patlabor221 | since you need to present it in a bot api, it's going to be very difrent from the one the game uses no mater what |
| 08:35.51 | Patlabor221 | it's just a language |
| 08:35.54 | Patlabor221 | looks a lot like C |
| 08:36.08 | Patlabor221 | well C++ |
| 08:36.37 | triclops_pb | i like learning languages. at least one a year is healthy me thinks |
| 08:36.59 | Patlabor221 | your gonna need a layer that does the stuff humans do and don't think about |
| 08:37.12 | Patlabor221 | that's going to cruft up your API |
| 08:37.24 | Patlabor221 | stuff for "what is visible" and thigns like that |
| 08:37.25 | triclops_pb | like what? |
| 08:37.28 | triclops_pb | oh yeah |
| 08:37.47 | Patlabor221 | things that tell you where box edges and stuff are |
| 08:37.57 | Patlabor221 | these are all things that the real game client dosn't need |
| 08:38.05 | Patlabor221 | cus the people figure it out |
| 08:38.15 | Patlabor221 | so I don't see you using much of the real API |
| 08:38.27 | triclops_pb | i have a draft api at http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~cbro903/bzflag/ |
| 08:38.28 | Patlabor221 | maybe the world database that's about it |
| 08:39.29 | triclops_pb | hmm, haven't look at that API draft for a while |
| 08:39.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah that is just simple state lookup |
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| 08:39.59 | Patlabor221 | all your "rules" layer there is something that does the DR |
| 08:40.09 | triclops_pb | DR? |
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| 08:40.14 | Patlabor221 | dead recogning |
| 08:40.27 | Patlabor221 | figures out where the net player is at T time |
| 08:40.42 | Patlabor221 | last known pos at time + vector |
| 08:40.51 | triclops_pb | yep. DR is good. |
| 08:41.09 | Patlabor221 | and the something that just pulls from the local player state |
| 08:41.19 | Patlabor221 | simpleness |
| 08:41.37 | Patlabor221 | pathfinding is gonna be your big fun |
| 08:42.12 | triclops_pb | yep. oh yeah. i found a paper on the Quake3Bot pathfinding. Its very cool. |
| 08:42.16 | Patlabor221 | pybzflag has the world database and the message layer, and I think someothing that keeps track of the players |
| 08:42.34 | Patlabor221 | q3 uses imbeded path nodes in the map dosn't it? |
| 08:42.37 | Patlabor221 | UT does |
| 08:43.15 | triclops_pb | yeah, but bzf maps are simple and could be generate before starting. A cache could speed it up further. |
| 08:43.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 08:43.33 | Patlabor221 | all the real "rules" you are gonna have are going to be in your AI |
| 08:43.41 | Patlabor221 | stuff like "don't shoot teammates" |
| 08:43.54 | Patlabor221 | the fact that you get the other team flag and bring it back |
| 08:44.03 | Patlabor221 | those are the game rules |
| 08:44.13 | triclops_pb | thats the best bit |
| 08:44.32 | Patlabor221 | only real rule in BZ is gravity and colisions |
| 08:44.38 | Patlabor221 | and that's a simple one |
| 08:44.55 | triclops_pb | the killing teammates is enforced too |
| 08:45.04 | Patlabor221 | sure by the server |
| 08:45.13 | Patlabor221 | so nothing you have to do |
| 08:45.15 | triclops_pb | shooting in general is a 'real rule' |
| 08:45.18 | Patlabor221 | cept know to not shoot them |
| 08:45.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah all shots are |
| 08:45.33 | Patlabor221 | the backend stuff is just "keep the shot going in that way" |
| 08:45.53 | Patlabor221 | GM tracking logic is probably the one you will want to keep from the game |
| 08:46.42 | Patlabor221 | you mention playing.cxx, but I think most of the stuff you need is in player.cxx |
| 08:46.43 | triclops_pb | yeah, that'll all go in the world update call |
| 08:46.57 | Patlabor221 | that and shot strat |
| 08:48.34 | triclops_pb | hmm, i need to talk to my supervisor again |
| 08:48.44 | triclops_pb | lots more ideas |
| 08:49.05 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 08:49.35 | Patlabor221 | you could also probably call the python modules from C++ |
| 08:49.49 | triclops_pb | i'm technically past this stage of my thesis |
| 08:50.12 | Patlabor221 | ahh suposed to be implementing? |
| 08:50.47 | triclops_pb | yeah, but we don't officially start till march |
| 08:51.32 | triclops_pb | so its probably good this stuff is coming up now not in 3 months |
| 08:51.52 | Patlabor221 | well that is part of the research part :) |
| 08:52.25 | triclops_pb | hehe, which i've already given a presentation on |
| 08:54.58 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 08:55.12 | triclops_pb | cniV: did you make any big changes on your thesis? |
| 08:55.31 | Patlabor221 | more then one of you are doing bzflag AI thesisis? |
| 08:55.44 | triclops_pb | no. cniV did karma |
| 08:55.52 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 08:55.53 | triclops_pb | instead of AI |
| 08:56.06 | Patlabor221 | did he implement it yet? |
| 08:56.14 | triclops_pb | i think so |
| 08:56.24 | Patlabor221 | guess it's not going into the game then |
| 08:56.31 | Patlabor221 | cus Tim was ALLLLL hot for that thing |
| 08:56.47 | Patlabor221 | last I heard he was implementing it himself |
| 08:57.20 | triclops_pb | really? i think there were some things that were yet to be done before it could be implemented. but not sure |
| 08:57.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh sure there is a lot that is unsure, that has never stoped Tim |
| 08:57.53 | Patlabor221 | noone knows how the thing is suposed to work |
| 08:58.26 | Patlabor221 | but by damned we can't change the protcoll on this version cus of that mythical karma thing that is going to stop all cheaters and make every plain in nice peace and love |
| 08:58.42 | Patlabor221 | and we delayed 1.10 for 2 months easy on account of him |
| 08:58.52 | Patlabor221 | for backend list server changes for karma |
| 09:00.11 | triclops_pb | oh well. i guess you can't expect the earth from volunteer projects |
| 09:00.26 | Patlabor221 | well depends how you manage them :) |
| 09:02.04 | triclops_pb | communication and some sort of 'direction' wouldnt go astray |
| 09:02.33 | Patlabor221 | I think you can even go sofar as to asign stuff to people in these types of things |
| 09:02.46 | Patlabor221 | as long as they sign up for sections and you keep a list of what people like to do |
| 09:02.52 | Patlabor221 | it just takes management time |
| 09:03.16 | Patlabor221 | something old fearless in texas has ether no time for, or no will to do |
| 09:03.43 | captain_proton | heh, fearless in texas :) |
| 09:04.07 | triclops_pb | at least the project isn't quite dead |
| 09:04.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it's been picked up by many other internal devs |
| 09:04.43 | captain_proton | i think some modern graphics will do wonders |
| 09:04.55 | Patlabor221 | it's kinda funny, tim dosn't really have as much power as he used to now, most of us will just commit what ever we want now |
| 09:05.04 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah it will help get people into it |
| 09:05.16 | Patlabor221 | tomorow I'll be puting sides on the tank for 1.10.4 |
| 09:05.29 | Patlabor221 | don't think real models will make it till after |
| 09:05.36 | triclops_pb | me likes flashy graphics. |
| 09:05.38 | captain_proton | GUH, i've gotta face the world in 6 hours |
| 09:06.02 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 09:06.14 | Patlabor221 | I should do the same but I want to get this new texture manager outlined |
| 09:06.17 | triclops_pb | cya. i'll probably be going to bed when you wake :-P |
| 09:07.08 | triclops_pb | Pat: i've done a couple of comp graphics subjects at uni |
| 09:07.17 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 09:07.30 | triclops_pb | if you have anything for a lowly opengl coder todo feel free to give me a go |
| 09:07.42 | triclops_pb | need some practice |
| 09:07.44 | Patlabor221 | you do what you want in this thing |
| 09:07.50 | triclops_pb | lol |
| 09:08.04 | triclops_pb | well i'll just have to invent tasks |
| 09:08.09 | Patlabor221 | tho it will be easyer to split up after the managers are all done |
| 09:08.25 | Patlabor221 | cus now it's a crusty peice of crap |
| 09:09.41 | triclops_pb | yeah, the render code in the update() call could be redone as well. |
| 09:10.21 | Patlabor221 | where? |
| 09:10.30 | triclops_pb | in playing.cxx |
| 09:10.51 | triclops_pb | unless someone cleaned it up since i last checked |
| 09:10.53 | Patlabor221 | I see no function by that name |
| 09:11.04 | Patlabor221 | it's all mushed into the playing loop |
| 09:11.09 | triclops_pb | thats it |
| 09:11.21 | triclops_pb | been a while since i looked at that |
| 09:11.22 | Patlabor221 | thats not even the rendering |
| 09:11.31 | Patlabor221 | its just the call to some high level stuff |
| 09:11.42 | Patlabor221 | I'm gonna be yanking that into a real render update func soo |
| 09:11.45 | Pimpinella | on ducati the little point, that shows me the direction of my teamflag doesnt move |
| 09:11.47 | Patlabor221 | part of the visual manager |
| 09:12.18 | triclops_pb | nice. you could have a render class and derive the different styles (stereo, etc) from it |
| 09:12.29 | Patlabor221 | yes that is the plan |
| 09:12.40 | Pimpinella | can anyone proof this? |
| 09:12.49 | Patlabor221 | but even more then that, each visual element will be a derived class |
| 09:12.58 | Patlabor221 | so you can easlay adde new reder objects/effects |
| 09:13.13 | Patlabor221 | I don't even know what that arrow is :) |
| 09:13.37 | triclops_pb | what exactly is a 'visual element'? |
| 09:13.46 | Patlabor221 | anything that is drawn |
| 09:14.04 | Patlabor221 | well anything that is drawn that uses a single texture/material |
| 09:14.24 | Patlabor221 | like the currrent scene nodes, but not sucky and imbeded into the game objects |
| 09:14.29 | triclops_pb | how you doing multitexturing? |
| 09:14.32 | triclops_pb | if at all |
| 09:14.40 | Patlabor221 | there is no multi textureing |
| 09:14.45 | Patlabor221 | but that would be a material |
| 09:15.02 | Pimpinella | need somebody to proof it, please |
| 09:15.02 | Patlabor221 | nothing in BZ needs multi right now |
| 09:15.18 | Patlabor221 | and it seems that the classes of hardware that are run, I can't be sure that it will exist in hardware |
| 09:15.30 | Patlabor221 | so go try a difrent version/server pimp |
| 09:15.49 | Pimpinella | thats the piont, it does work on other servers |
| 09:15.56 | Patlabor221 | then it's the server |
| 09:15.57 | Patlabor221 | report it |
| 09:16.06 | Pimpinella | k |
| 09:16.37 | Patlabor221 | if multi texturing is needed, it will ahve to be able to be done as the ARB extenstion, a multi pass, and as off |
| 09:16.45 | Patlabor221 | to support all the systems |
| 09:16.59 | triclops_pb | ouch |
| 09:17.13 | triclops_pb | backwards compatibility is a pain |
| 09:17.18 | Patlabor221 | what I hope to be able to do is make it so that difrent sets of visual element handlaers can be regisered based on your setings |
| 09:17.25 | Patlabor221 | then you can just make them all seperate |
| 09:17.33 | Patlabor221 | and not make large things that support everything |
| 09:17.57 | Patlabor221 | so you make one set that dosn't do textures |
| 09:18.00 | Patlabor221 | and one set that does textures |
| 09:18.20 | Patlabor221 | all based off some common class that implements the common things both need |
| 09:18.28 | Patlabor221 | say for a box |
| 09:18.28 | triclops_pb | basically using oo to the extreme |
| 09:18.40 | Patlabor221 | no, just to how it was designed to be used |
| 09:18.54 | Patlabor221 | extreme would be operator overloading everything :) |
| 09:19.11 | Patlabor221 | and slapting things in templates just because |
| 09:20.30 | triclops_pb | overloading is cool |
| 09:20.40 | Patlabor221 | it can be if it makes sense |
| 09:20.52 | Patlabor221 | often function overloads make more sense then operator overloading |
| 09:21.03 | Patlabor221 | like how do you "multiply" 2 spheres? |
| 09:21.23 | Patlabor221 | assignment operators make sense |
| 09:21.30 | Patlabor221 | and += for containers |
| 09:22.00 | triclops_pb | image the opengl api if c had overloading on functions.... |
| 09:22.16 | triclops_pb | imagine |
| 09:22.30 | Patlabor221 | don't know how much it would change |
| 09:22.39 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't have the concept of an "object" |
| 09:22.54 | Patlabor221 | and all it would really do is remove the f and v at the end of functions |
| 09:23.03 | Patlabor221 | and the 1 2 3 and 4 |
| 09:23.17 | Patlabor221 | at it's core it's a state machine |
| 09:23.27 | Patlabor221 | not much you can do about that with overloads |
| 09:23.30 | triclops_pb | and a pipeline |
| 09:23.42 | Patlabor221 | you don't really have that much access to the pipe |
| 09:23.47 | Patlabor221 | you feed things in and go on |
| 09:24.01 | Patlabor221 | don't even have real frambuffer access |
| 09:24.23 | triclops_pb | bzflag could use trendy vertex/fragment programs |
| 09:24.30 | Patlabor221 | sure shaders |
| 09:24.48 | Patlabor221 | but those are only on newer cards |
| 09:24.58 | Patlabor221 | that's why I want to be able to regiser difrent handalers |
| 09:25.04 | triclops_pb | mesa gives emulation me thinks |
| 09:25.13 | Patlabor221 | so you could install say a shader based box drawer that did kick ass ligthing |
| 09:25.17 | Patlabor221 | not for shaders |
| 09:25.19 | Patlabor221 | no way |
| 09:25.24 | scanline | triclops_pb: any sort of vertex/fragment program emulation is really really slow |
| 09:25.27 | Patlabor221 | they are not even part of GL |
| 09:25.31 | Patlabor221 | they are extensions |
| 09:25.53 | Patlabor221 | and usualy they are rather hardware specific at this point |
| 09:25.58 | triclops_pb | i think mesa support software emulation of the extensions. and scanline, i'm pretty sure they are slow. |
| 09:26.00 | Patlabor221 | untill the open shader lang thing is done |
| 09:26.08 | Patlabor221 | slow = not good |
| 09:26.20 | Patlabor221 | what API did they support Cg? |
| 09:26.22 | Patlabor221 | the ATI one? |
| 09:26.41 | Patlabor221 | or those ARB experimental ones? |
| 09:26.43 | triclops_pb | Cg is what our lecture used with mesa |
| 09:26.51 | Patlabor221 | sure that's the nvidia one |
| 09:27.15 | Patlabor221 | not gonna work on those spiffy radeons methinks |
| 09:27.17 | triclops_pb | or maybe he did use the ARB extensions... |
| 09:28.00 | Patlabor221 | my point is sure we could use them, but untill we have a clean way to use/not use stuff like that, it's just gonna make the code uglyer |
| 09:28.14 | Patlabor221 | that's the point of the visual element manager |
| 09:28.29 | Patlabor221 | to make it easy to hook up stuff like that |
| 09:28.47 | Patlabor221 | and thats a textbook use of derived classes |
| 09:28.58 | Patlabor221 | you just overide the funcs you need and your golden |
| 09:29.06 | triclops_pb | nice |
| 09:29.17 | triclops_pb | i wait with eager anticipation |
| 09:29.27 | Patlabor221 | then next year when the next big thing is out, you derive off another one and hook that up :) |
| 09:29.39 | Patlabor221 | spam buffers or what have you |
| 09:30.21 | triclops_pb | fancy water effects |
| 09:30.38 | triclops_pb | realtime photon rendering |
| 09:30.49 | Patlabor221 | what would render a photon with? |
| 09:30.56 | Patlabor221 | if not other photons |
| 09:31.08 | Patlabor221 | so your monitor is a real time photon rendering system :) |
| 09:32.22 | triclops_pb | hmm, i could derive an object that controls real tanks... |
| 09:32.36 | triclops_pb | the ultimate 'virtual reality' |
| 09:32.39 | Patlabor221 | well that would be if the game system supported it too |
| 09:32.44 | Patlabor221 | this is just for drawing |
| 09:32.57 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.03 | Patlabor221 | each pulling from the same core data |
| 09:33.38 | Patlabor221 | the tank model, the animated treads, the dust kicked up, and the flag |
| 09:33.49 | Patlabor221 | ohh and the shadow |
| 09:34.09 | triclops_pb | mmmm - particle systems |
| 09:34.26 | Patlabor221 | so when you tell the tank to draw it goes and adds all those things to the current draw list |
| 09:34.49 | Patlabor221 | then they get sorted and are told to be drawn in turn |
| 09:35.37 | Patlabor221 | the texture sort alone should speed the hell out of things |
| 09:36.25 | triclops_pb | could use a particle system to do the shrapnel from explosions |
| 09:36.31 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 09:37.06 | Patlabor221 | the explosion is an object in the world database, and it just adds elements |
| 09:37.30 | Patlabor221 | nice thing is you regiser up a new element, then go add it to the objects you want to have it |
| 09:37.33 | Patlabor221 | and they get it |
| 09:37.36 | Patlabor221 | no fuss no muss |
| 09:37.52 | triclops_pb | lots of fun... |
| 09:38.06 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 09:38.18 | Patlabor221 | well time for sleep, texture manager header is done now :) |
| 09:38.31 | triclops_pb | nice, thanks for the comments. |
| 09:38.31 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 09:38.34 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 09:38.34 | triclops_pb | enjoy sleep |
| 09:38.38 | triclops_pb | cya |
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| 10:45.02 | bomber | moin |
| 10:47.40 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/BUGS: Add comment to BUGS |
| 10:48.35 | larsl | Morning. |
| 10:48.47 | larsl | ~seen quol |
| 10:48.49 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6h 39m 6s ago, saying: 'oh well - no worries I guess - see you all later- bed time for me...see you all around'. |
| 11:04.04 | Pimpinella | what is 'multipass'? |
| 11:06.01 | Pimpinella | learner has in his servermessage something like 'yes.. he kows he is multipass' |
| 11:14.41 | Pimpinella | ~seen learner |
| 11:14.44 | | learner <~brlcad@chr160dhcp1509.chrchv01.md.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 17h 14m 15s ago, saying: 'the kick code is supposed to do that (removePlayer())'. |
| 11:15.07 | larsl | Pimpinella: I've been wondering that too. |
| 11:15.16 | larsl | ~dict multipass |
| 11:15.36 | Pimpinella | ~seen brlcad |
| 11:15.37 | | brlcad <~brlcad@chr160dhcp1509.chrchv01.md.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 11h 37m 17s ago, saying: 'the traps need to be fixed/improved for windows too..there are bug reports about it not restoring the video gamme, which is what the trap is supposed to prevent'. |
| 11:15.55 | Pimpinella | hmm |
| 11:16.17 | Pimpinella | will ask him if he's back |
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| 11:19.03 | your_dog | good morning |
| 11:23.15 | larsl | Morning. |
| 11:25.22 | Pimpinella | hi dog |
| 11:25.37 | your_dog | what's up? |
| 11:26.39 | Pimpinella | nothing, just came back and saw u had come up, so i did a rehi |
| 11:27.03 | your_dog | rehi? |
| 11:29.56 | triclops_pb | ~seen ill |
| 11:29.58 | | ill is currently on #project24 #bzflag. Has said a total of 33 messages. Is idling for 7h 43m 6s |
| 11:31.50 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Fixed privmsg bug - when the target of a privmsg is gone, bzfs will not try to relay the message and will send a warning to the sender |
| 11:35.01 | larsl | Hm, would "a |= (long boolean expression);" be performed at all if a is already true? |
| 11:36.48 | your_dog | yes |
| 11:36.53 | your_dog | :) j/k |
| 11:36.59 | your_dog | i have no idea |
| 11:38.13 | larsl | your_dog: Looks like you are right though. =) |
| 11:40.11 | your_dog | lol, just lucky ;) |
| 11:40.22 | your_dog | i'm always right |
| 11:46.30 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: -filterCallsigns should filter email too |
| 11:49.20 | your_dog | i'll brb |
| 11:57.50 | your_dog | back |
| 12:03.49 | larsl | Hm, drawing the view angle below everything else in the radar makes the radar screen look more cluttered. |
| 12:04.03 | larsl | I'd rather turn it off completely than having it below the buildings. |
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| 12:23.27 | your_dog | i'm downloading the CVS version bz right now :) |
| 12:23.36 | your_dog | can't wait to c the new textures |
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| 12:35.36 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/ (ChangeLog man/bzfs.6s): -filterCallsigns filters email : man page and changelog |
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| 12:49.09 | your_dog | is there someone here? |
| 12:51.06 | your_dog | there is someone on ducati:5156 that has a couple ?s for a programmer |
| 12:51.34 | larsl | Tell him to join this channel. |
| 12:51.42 | larsl | bzflag is clumsy for discussions. |
| 12:52.28 | your_dog | ok, i'm asking him |
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| 12:53.45 | konnekted | hello |
| 12:54.05 | your_dog | cool, you made it :) |
| 12:54.14 | konnekted | hello |
| 12:54.24 | your_dog | larsl is here |
| 12:54.49 | konnekted | http://www.download-free-games.com/images/bzflag.gif |
| 12:55.35 | larsl | Yes? |
| 12:59.57 | your_dog | i don't know where he went |
| 13:00.23 | konnekted | toilette ;-) |
| 13:00.43 | your_dog | lol |
| 13:04.05 | konnekted | http://images.google.it/images?hl=it&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=your_dog&btnG=Cerca+con+Google |
| 13:05.15 | konnekted | http://www.vethomopath.com/dogskelton.jpg |
| 13:12.03 | your_dog | larsl, you having troubeles? |
| 13:12.40 | larsl | No, I just need to get a card that is accepted by online stores. |
| 13:13.59 | your_dog | ahhh, it's good not to have one, that way you can't spend money ;) |
| 13:16.01 | larsl | konnekted: Are you trying to send private messages to me? I'm not receiving any. |
| 13:16.20 | konnekted | oops |
| 13:17.50 | larsl | If you have a question, use the channel instead - if I don't know the answer someone else might. |
| 13:18.03 | larsl | Although most other developers seem to be sleeping. |
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| 13:18.43 | konnekted | ok |
| 13:19.01 | konnekted | do you know if it's possible to save the stream of a match? |
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| 13:19.52 | your_dog | ok, breakfast time :) |
| 13:19.54 | your_dog | cy'all l8r |
| 13:19.55 | larsl | You mean like a demo? Not in the current version, but it would be nice to have. I might try it if I have the time. |
| 13:20.21 | konnekted | each player can save the stream and he can send it when a match ends |
| 13:20.35 | konnekted | so one can join a server as observer and he can review the match |
| 13:21.04 | larsl | It would be nice. =) |
| 13:21.06 | konnekted | step by step comparing the streams |
| 13:21.48 | konnekted | a stream file can be 5 -6 mega |
| 13:22.30 | konnekted | do you know if exists a monitor to view the speed, rotation speed, acceleration etc... |
| 13:22.57 | larsl | konnekted: Do you mean the speed, rotation etc of a tank at a given moment, or the server parameters? |
| 13:23.07 | konnekted | instant parameters |
| 13:23.24 | konnekted | real time parms |
| 13:23.52 | larsl | There's no monitor for that. The server does some simple checks to see if someone is obviously cheating, but it doesn't save the data somewhere. |
| 13:24.18 | larsl | It would probably not be too hard to code something like that for your own client though. |
| 13:25.10 | konnekted | yes |
| 13:25.54 | konnekted | ok |
| 13:26.04 | konnekted | thnx |
| 13:28.46 | konnekted | what kind of checks? |
| 13:30.23 | larsl | konnekted: It checks if a tank is moving faster than allowed, jumping higher than allowed etc. |
| 13:30.30 | larsl | I don't know all of them. |
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| 13:31.14 | konnekted | ok |
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| 15:09.04 | b1nhb00ng | hi, how do some users have their team name enclosed in ( ) next to their nicknames? |
| 15:10.14 | Chestal | this is the email string |
| 15:10.34 | Chestal | in the current dev version you can set it via the menu |
| 15:10.44 | b1nhb00ng | ah ic :) |
| 15:10.45 | b1nhb00ng | thx |
| 15:11.15 | Chestal | you can also set it manualyl in your config file (set email "The Whimps") |
| 15:11.32 | b1nhb00ng | ok, lemme try :) |
| 15:12.06 | Nidhoggr | larsl, you can test as much as you want on secretplace. :) |
| 15:12.32 | larsl | Nidhoggr: =) |
| 15:12.52 | larsl | b1nhb00ng: Just don't do it while bzflag is running, it will overwrite the config file when it quits. |
| 15:13.06 | b1nhb00ng | Chestal: the email option via config file only available on dev version? |
| 15:13.19 | Chestal | b1nhb00ng: no, has been available ever since, only the menu is new |
| 15:13.38 | b1nhb00ng | ok |
| 15:13.41 | Chestal | I am referring to 1.10, though,1.7 has a different config file (syntax) |
| 15:13.51 | b1nhb00ng | yeh, i'm using 1.10 |
| 15:14.01 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
| 15:14.02 | Chestal | ~bzflist17 |
| 15:14.45 | Chestal | that .ch 1.7 server seemsto be popular |
| 15:14.52 | Chestal | let's hope all the cheaters meet there :-) |
| 15:15.00 | b1nhb00ng | hehe, i c now, i aliased bzflag to bzflag -anonymous, got it now :p |
| 15:15.03 | b1nhb00ng | thx guys |
| 15:15.42 | larsl | 20 is an unusually even number. Could be bots. |
| 15:15.55 | Chestal | no |
| 15:22.52 | Nidhoggr | just got a new chef's knife yesteray. I'm all excited to use it. |
| 15:22.54 | Nidhoggr | http://www.mingspantry.com/kyockt250hip.html |
| 15:24.41 | Nidhoggr | ceramic blades are incredible. |
| 15:25.31 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: its kind of...short |
| 15:25.58 | captain_proton | but looks awesome :) |
| 15:26.05 | Nidhoggr | it's 6.25 inches |
| 15:26.21 | Nidhoggr | they have an 8.25 inch sushi/sashimi knife. |
| 15:26.25 | larsl | ~convert 6.25 inches to cm |
| 15:26.27 | Nidhoggr | I want that one next. |
| 15:27.20 | Nidhoggr | I have a 9" drop forge steel chef's knife, but it's just too clunky when you've been using ceramic for so long. |
| 15:29.19 | Nidhoggr | it's a sabatier |
| 15:29.25 | Nidhoggr | nice knife |
| 15:29.39 | Nidhoggr | good for scaring the neighborhood children. |
| 15:29.42 | Nidhoggr | j/k |
| 15:29.51 | captain_proton | heh |
| 15:30.46 | captain_proton | right now mine is a hand-me-down 8" henckles, which is quite usable, but i always lust after my mother's 11" friderick dick :) |
| 15:32.08 | captain_proton | i think i'm probably going to start getting globals, since they're a lot cheaper than ceramic but still hold a razor edge |
| 15:32.25 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 15:32.38 | Nidhoggr | ceramic is so expensive. |
| 15:33.10 | larsl | ~seen quol |
| 15:33.17 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 11h 23m 34s ago, saying: 'oh well - no worries I guess - see you all later- bed time for me...see you all around'. |
| 15:33.37 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 15:33.50 | captain_proton | i wonder why kyocera doesn't make a more normal sized chef's knife |
| 15:34.00 | larsl | Does anyone know if Quol's reported bug where he was forced to identify even though his group file didn't mention REQUIREIDENTIFY happened for all users, or just the ones in the admin group? |
| 15:34.19 | larsl | If it's just the admins I think it's OK, if not it's a very mysterious bug. |
| 15:34.50 | Nidhoggr | dunno. |
| 15:35.30 | larsl | I'm guessing it's just the admins since they have all permissions including REQUIREIDENTIFY, but it would be nice to get it confirmed. |
| 15:36.23 | Nidhoggr | where are defaults for a group set up (like the registered group)? |
| 15:36.33 | larsl | The groupsdb file. |
| 15:36.37 | larsl | Oh, the defaults... |
| 15:37.37 | larsl | bzfs.cxx, line 4655 - 4684. =) |
| 15:37.41 | Nidhoggr | ah. :) |
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| 17:04.34 | Patlabor221 | can anyone do a traceroute to me |
| 17:07.44 | larsl | Patlabor221: It get to Gibbs.s8-1-0-27-0.ar1.LAX1.gblx.net, then some '* * *' lines. |
| 17:08.23 | larsl | Then pos2-0-155M.cr1.LAX1.gblx.net, then some more '* * *'. |
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| 17:10.07 | Chestal | Pat: hmm, not sure if I like the radar change. |
| 17:10.39 | larsl | It's a bit odd with the angle below the buildings. When you spin it looks like things are moving on the radar. |
| 17:10.56 | Chestal | maybe it would be better to only draw shots after the lines |
| 17:11.12 | Chestal | Pat: I also voted on your video card thread :-) |
| 17:13.15 | Chestal | what was this talk about the client assuming that flagid=teamid for team flags? Was that a guess or is it a fact? |
| 17:13.39 | ill | Tim made it sound to be fact |
| 17:14.55 | Chestal | the server used to assume this here and there |
| 17:15.02 | Chestal | the client code I have looked at which handles teamflags was clean,though |
| 17:15.08 | Chestal | but I have not really browsed through all the code |
| 17:18.51 | ill | if there's anything in the client, it'd break protocol to fix it |
| 17:19.11 | ill | no? |
| 17:19.35 | Chestal | probably |
| 17:24.49 | TimRiker | Chestal: your patch did not touch any client code then? that kind of surprises me, but could be the case. |
| 17:25.02 | TimRiker | if the client did not have to change, then cool. leave it in. |
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| 17:25.29 | TimRiker | surely the multiple flag indicator was a client change at lease. |
| 17:25.32 | TimRiker | er least. |
| 17:25.42 | Chestal | TimRiker: I hope that it does not have to,but I cannot prove it of course |
| 17:25.52 | Chestal | yes, not even sure that this makes sense |
| 17:26.05 | Chestal | I haven't ever used those indicators anyway, I actually forgot about them :-) |
| 17:26.40 | TimRiker | run old clients against the current server to see. That's why I keep updating xmission. so some folks will be running with old clients. |
| 17:26.46 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 17:26.57 | Chestal | ducati servers always run with new code, too |
| 17:27.18 | Chestal | but on my CTF servers, there are only team flags there, and red and green ones |
| 17:27.20 | TimRiker | ibot: no, xmission is <reply> see bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 17:27.22 | | okay, TimRiker |
| 17:27.26 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 17:27.28 | Chestal | so the clients wouldn't notice anyway |
| 17:27.37 | ill | eek |
| 17:27.39 | TimRiker | now that's not good. |
| 17:27.47 | Chestal | ~d |
| 17:28.51 | ill | i noticed a "Bad response from server during flag negotiation" until I rebuilt client |
| 17:28.52 | Chestal | 1.10 does not work on SGI? |
| 17:29.17 | ill | Chestal: I got everything to build except had trouble getting the client to link |
| 17:29.23 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 17:29.34 | TimRiker | restarted the server. |
| 17:29.34 | ill | bzfs did work, though |
| 17:29.40 | Chestal | ill: using which compiler? |
| 17:29.59 | larsl | ill: I got that earlier too, I think that was a server bug. |
| 17:30.05 | Chestal | ill: that flag nego error is strange. _I_ at least didn't change anything in the client regarding flags |
| 17:30.21 | ill | i think mac did |
| 17:30.22 | larsl | And I think someone fixed it. It used to send a text message when the client expected flag negotiation. |
| 17:30.34 | TimRiker | hmm. looks like xmission was dead to the world for more than a day and I just didn't notice. |
| 17:30.43 | larsl | TimRiker: Yes, it had that bug too. |
| 17:30.59 | ill | Chestal: using the mipsPro (the sgi compiler) 32-bit n32 |
| 17:31.18 | Chestal | ill: ah. I remember linking errors with gcc andthe SGI gl libs |
| 17:31.26 | Chestal | ill: had to compile my own gl libs |
| 17:31.36 | larsl | ~seen quol |
| 17:31.43 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 13h 22m ago, saying: 'oh well - no worries I guess - see you all later- bed time for me...see you all around'. |
| 17:31.43 | Chestal | ill: but for you it must be a different problem |
| 17:31.56 | ill | yea, I think it was close, just missing some system library that I didn't know which |
| 17:32.07 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 17:32.08 | ill | I can try again and post the error |
| 17:32.25 | TimRiker | 30? wow. |
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| 17:32.46 | ill | that's abuse, tim |
| 17:32.56 | TimRiker | probably bots |
| 17:32.59 | ill | nope |
| 17:33.06 | Tupone | I fixed that on the client |
| 17:33.12 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery 68.109.43.46:5155 |
| 17:33.16 | ill | I believe the server was modified to always report 30 rogues for a high ranking |
| 17:33.18 | Tupone | this site allow 5 people and have 30 |
| 17:33.31 | Tupone | our client now report 5 |
| 17:33.33 | TimRiker | great. fire alarm and it's raining.... |
| 17:33.33 | ill | that's knightmare's server |
| 17:33.35 | larsl | TimRiker: I have a somewhat largish patch for bzadmin that adds a simple curses menu with parameter editor and playerlist, readds the F6-ban function, and handles terminal resizing better. Should I add it, or wait until after 1.10.4? |
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| 17:33.50 | TimRiker | back later. (I hope) |
| 17:33.53 | Patlabor221 | just drawing shots would be a larger change |
| 17:34.00 | Patlabor221 | or I can alpha out the lines |
| 17:34.29 | Chestal | why that? are the shots drawn inside a tank loop or something like that? |
| 17:34.57 | Chestal | I have been bitten by not seeing shots because of those line sometimes |
| 17:35.18 | Chestal | but thought that for people with higher res it wouldn't be a problem |
| 17:35.34 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:36.02 | ill | is this regarding the patch to put the shot at the end of the tail instead of at the front? |
| 17:36.05 | Chestal | do welike the menu sounds or do we hate them? |
| 17:36.35 | Patlabor221 | the shots are transfomed into the rotated space with the buildings |
| 17:36.36 | Chestal | ill: no, it's about the fov lines hide shots issue |
| 17:36.37 | ill | we/me hadn't decided yet regarding menu sounds |
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| 17:36.49 | Patlabor221 | if we did buidings, then view then shots |
| 17:36.52 | Chestal | I still want msg sounds |
| 17:36.54 | larsl | I like the menu sounds. |
| 17:38.34 | RustyCage | hello ppl. Can someone explain me, why i cant convert my old rgb-files to png AND use them with 1.10? I saved them as png with compression and no other option. |
| 17:38.41 | ill | i did find some special case where the flag pickup sound repeated non-stop until I joined the server that I selected |
| 17:38.45 | Chestal | we should gather some more opinions on the shots issue, i.e. if it reallyis a problem and/or if the new way of drawing is good |
| 17:39.16 | Chestal | RustyCage: I fear that bzflag cannot load all types of PNG. Which program did you use to save them? |
| 17:39.29 | RustyCage | gimp |
| 17:39.36 | RustyCage | ntried convert from ImageMagick also |
| 17:39.36 | Chestal | didn't work for me either |
| 17:39.44 | Chestal | try and use 'convert a.png b.png' |
| 17:39.48 | Chestal | hmm |
| 17:39.50 | Chestal | that worked for me |
| 17:40.09 | RustyCage | maybe i confuse sth. ill try... |
| 17:41.14 | Chestal | what stops us from using ogg vorbis, btw.? |
| 17:41.32 | RustyCage | not working. in 1.7, size was not limited, is it now? The images are not 256x256. |
| 17:41.48 | larsl | Chestal: Not much, I think. |
| 17:41.51 | Chestal | maybe, I don't really know anything about it |
| 17:41.54 | Patlabor221 | I dono, the code for sound media files is in there |
| 17:42.05 | Chestal | we had it in 1.8, yes? |
| 17:42.11 | Patlabor221 | size is not limite in textures, but they should be power of 2 |
| 17:42.11 | SportChick | ~whoisSportChick |
| 17:42.25 | SportChick | whoops |
| 17:42.32 | Chestal | should oggs be decoded on load time or decoded in real time? |
| 17:42.35 | SportChick | ~whois SportChick |
| 17:42.38 | Patlabor221 | chestal, I think it was just issues geting the vorbis libs into the build |
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| 17:43.53 | Chestal | would shrink the installed size of bzflag, the wavs are the biggest thing in data/ right now |
| 17:44.14 | RustyCage | ok, got it to 256x256, saved with compression, no other options, convert a.png b.png, not working. Someone has another combination of program, that worked? |
| 17:44.32 | Chestal | I only tried to modify the menu tank once |
| 17:44.55 | Chestal | when saving with gimp, it didn't work, after I took the rsultign png and ran it through imagemagick,it worked *shrug* |
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| 17:45.13 | RustyCage | Chestal: Thats what i did |
| 17:45.27 | Patlabor221 | they allways work when I save them with photoshop |
| 17:45.42 | Patlabor221 | why not take an existing png and see what it's setings are |
| 17:45.43 | Patlabor221 | then make your pngs with the same setings |
| 17:45.47 | RustyCage | hm, dunno if my wine runs that ;) |
| 17:45.48 | Chestal | RustyCage: what exactly means 'not working'? You get an error loading the texture? |
| 17:46.21 | RustyCage | error not loading the texture, yeah. its in the right location, strace gives me, that its found, but ... |
| 17:47.56 | RustyCage | Ill try some other programs and settings, thanks all! Cant be that difficult :) |
| 17:49.08 | *** part/#bzflag RustyCage (~heiko@rotes226.wohnheim.uni-kl.de) |
| 17:54.14 | TimRiker | larsl: go ahead and add it. (presuming it works) |
| 17:54.30 | larsl | OK. |
| 17:54.49 | larsl | The stuff that is there seems to work, but I have more functions I want to add to the menu later. =) |
| 17:55.31 | Nidhoggr | larsl? can you see scores, etc. yet? |
| 17:56.07 | larsl | No, that's what I want to add. I have just made the framework, a simple editor for the server BZDB variables, and a static player list. |
| 17:56.15 | Nidhoggr | wow secretplace superfull/including observers. |
| 17:56.23 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 17:56.29 | Nidhoggr | you rule :) |
| 17:56.36 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 17:57.56 | Tupone | bzflag client now sort server using the min between MaxPlayer & CurrentPlayer) |
| 17:58.06 | Nidhoggr | someone's cheating to get a good place in the stats for servers. :) |
| 17:58.30 | Grumbler | yeah, that has been going on for awhile...............need a way to slap that server |
| 17:58.46 | Nidhoggr | trying to drive down the stats of my servers. |
| 17:58.52 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:59.19 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (10 files): Split-screen menu added to bzadmin's curses UI, BZDB editor, simple playerlist, scrolling added to the main window (use Page Up/Down), better handling of terminal resizing, F6-ban function readded |
| 17:59.32 | Tupone | that server is not so bad, just make some cheat on player counts |
| 17:59.44 | Grumbler | <nudge> i happen to know of an old race horse looking for a new bed to sleep in |
| 17:59.47 | Nidhoggr | yay larsl!!!! |
| 18:00.02 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 18:00.02 | larsl | It would be great if someone can test that, I might have missed some file. |
| 18:00.12 | Nidhoggr | right away, larsl :) |
| 18:00.37 | larsl | You need the full automake/configure/make rebuild, there are new files. |
| 18:01.05 | Nidhoggr | ok |
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| 18:02.24 | larsl | I need to update the manpage too. |
| 18:03.13 | Nidhoggr | hrm. how easy would it be to add something like --bzfs-static to ./configure |
| 18:03.38 | Nidhoggr | I always have to edit bzfs/Makefile |
| 18:03.54 | ill | we don't build/run on win95, do we? |
| 18:04.41 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Does it work to set LDFLAGS=-static before you type 'make'? |
| 18:04.54 | larsl | In the shell. |
| 18:05.52 | Nidhoggr | haven't tried, larsl |
| 18:05.56 | Nidhoggr | I suppose I could |
| 18:06.24 | Nidhoggr | waiting for compile to finish |
| 18:08.13 | Nidhoggr | larsl, do I need to do anything special to split the screen? |
| 18:08.25 | larsl_afk | F2 |
| 18:08.29 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 18:08.40 | larsl_afk | And F2 again to go back to the prompt. |
| 18:08.56 | TimRiker | ill: bzflag runs on win95, sure. |
| 18:09.38 | ill | hrm. |
| 18:10.23 | ill | i remember there being some issue (and it crashes on one win95 install here) |
| 18:11.24 | ill | Chestal: suggestions for the -c -cr inconsistency? |
| 18:12.06 | ill | i was thinking that perhaps we could just specify team flags just like any other flag now -f G{4}, etc |
| 18:15.57 | *** join/#bzflag mozul (~kirk@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 18:17.57 | TimRiker | larsl_away: seems to work. I can't type when the menu is up. |
| 18:18.05 | *** join/#bzflag your_dog (~jake@216-24-111-169.access.naxs.com) |
| 18:18.22 | TimRiker | any reason for double spacing everything? screen real estate is precious. |
| 18:18.33 | ill | heya mozul.. any progress on the builing front? |
| 18:19.03 | mozul | with devC++, im working on it now. |
| 18:19.18 | ill | nice |
| 18:19.42 | TimRiker | larsl_away: going to add color to bzadmin? |
| 18:19.53 | mozul | do I need to dl the Microsoft SDK from somwhere, or did it come with Dev C++ |
| 18:21.56 | ill | not sure, haven't used it myself yet (though I plan to poke it this weekend if I get the chance).. tupone might know |
| 18:22.27 | Tupone | mozul: sure! you need 3 files |
| 18:23.27 | your_dog | hi |
| 18:23.42 | your_dog | i downloaded the CVS version this morning, but still don't have tank textures |
| 18:24.09 | your_dog | i also got the alternate.zip textures and put time under ....data/alternate |
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| 18:25.03 | your_dog | does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 18:25.32 | Tupone | you have some error while loading texture? |
| 18:25.53 | your_dog | no, just aren't there |
| 18:26.49 | Tupone | you don't see alternate texture, but you see the new camo texture on CVS ? |
| 18:27.12 | Tupone | or you don't see any texture at all on tank? |
| 18:27.31 | your_dog | i c the old texture, just plain old green, blue... |
| 18:27.36 | your_dog | don't c the camo texture |
| 18:27.37 | ill | might just be pointing to the wrong data directory in your config file |
| 18:27.58 | your_dog | lemme use the -directory option and c what happens |
| 18:28.29 | your_dog | nope, same old same old |
| 18:29.13 | Tupone | sure you're running the new client? :) |
| 18:29.13 | ill | open the images in your data directory, they should be different |
| 18:29.33 | your_dog | pretty sure, let me make sure :) |
| 18:29.37 | your_dog | ok, just a sec |
| 18:30.03 | your_dog | what would the version say? |
| 18:30.12 | your_dog | ./bzflag -version |
| 18:30.13 | Tupone | when you build? today? |
| 18:30.31 | your_dog | with the new CVS version |
| 18:30.48 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.05 | your_dog | ahhh |
| 18:31.42 | your_dog | hehehe, i'm such an idiot |
| 18:33.41 | SportChick | hey, ill... or anyone...has there been any progress (or decision) on making a way for admins to talk only to one another using an "n"- or "m"-type of command? It would be incredibly useful |
| 18:34.49 | Grumbler | you imply to talk to all admins logged in at once........? |
| 18:34.56 | SportChick | yes |
| 18:35.12 | SportChick | without having to do multiple PMs |
| 18:35.21 | your_dog | ok, here's what i did this morning |
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| 18:35.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 18:35.56 | your_dog | i logged in anonymously to the cvs server this morning, and checked out the bzflag module |
| 18:35.58 | Grumbler | its a nice idea, and with the autologin feature it makes sense |
| 18:36.07 | your_dog | was that right or wrong? |
| 18:36.16 | SportChick | yes...it would be a very good thing |
| 18:36.31 | Grumbler | so when are you going to code it in? :) |
| 18:36.38 | Tupone | your_dog: seems right, then? |
| 18:36.43 | SportChick | I know scipio mentioned it back in October (but I was on irc then), and I don't know anything about what happened. |
| 18:37.00 | SportChick | Grumbler: ME?! Code?! You KNOW I'm not a programmer, right? |
| 18:37.09 | your_dog | ok, this might have been wrong, but i did this from my current bzflag dir |
| 18:37.22 | Grumbler | obviously it did not make it to the top of the TODO list..... |
| 18:37.25 | your_dog | it did a bunch of stuff, and now i have a mess :) |
| 18:37.39 | SportChick | Actually, I scanned through the RFE's and didn't see it ON the todo list |
| 18:39.40 | Grumbler | sounds like it did not get much support with the slaves...........errr, developers |
| 18:39.50 | Grumbler | :) |
| 18:40.11 | Grumbler | keep trying, it gets a humbler grumbler vote |
| 18:41.01 | ill | SportChick: no, there hasn't been a decision on admin chatter -- pretty low priority, i believe, since there is only usually one or two admins on and 1-1 chat works |
| 18:41.37 | SportChick | ill: not on Nid's servers! We often have 5 or more admins on at once! |
| 18:42.37 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 18:42.39 | Grumbler | yeah, you dont know how many times we have tried to ban SportChick, just to found out she's an admin |
| 18:42.48 | Nidhoggr | trying to make it a self-policing community. |
| 18:42.49 | SportChick | lol |
| 18:42.51 | Nidhoggr | seems to be working. |
| 18:43.04 | your_dog | howdy y'all :-D |
| 18:43.09 | Nidhoggr | hi your_dog |
| 18:43.30 | Grumbler | maybe there should be a special tank render for admins.........maybe with flashing police lights |
| 18:43.40 | your_dog | *feeling |
| 18:44.18 | SportChick | that would be funny, Grumbler...and maybe even have extra guns hanging out the windows |
| 18:44.39 | mozul | and when you shoot someone they get kicked from the server |
| 18:44.57 | Grumbler | ......i was thinking of a radar detector to catch the "speeders" |
| 18:46.26 | Grumbler | .....and BZCops for that reason |
| 18:48.53 | Nidhoggr | o/~ bad tank, bad tank, whatcha gunna do? o/~ |
| 18:49.03 | your_dog | lol |
| 18:49.47 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:50.13 | your_dog | hehehehe |
| 18:50.52 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 18:54.51 | SportChick | in fact, we have five admins on secretplace now |
| 18:55.13 | *** join/#bzflag yoyox (~yoyox@65.39.216.149) |
| 18:55.25 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:56.02 | Nidhoggr | we are still technically PeEpZ :) |
| 18:56.09 | SportChick | PMP would end up being PiMP according to those we are patrolling |
| 18:57.16 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (~Chikumz33@205.197.172.226) |
| 18:57.36 | Nidhoggr | I need to finish this some day... |
| 18:57.38 | Nidhoggr | http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/teampeepz.png |
| 18:57.38 | your_dog | hey yoyox |
| 18:57.46 | your_dog | hey chik |
| 18:57.53 | Tupone | hey Chikorita |
| 18:57.54 | Chikorita | hi doggy |
| 18:57.55 | yoyox | Hey your_dog > |
| 18:57.57 | yoyox | Chikorita: Hi. |
| 18:58.08 | Chikorita | hi nikt(yoyox) |
| 18:58.14 | Noodleman | what up? |
| 18:58.19 | Chikorita | sup noodle |
| 18:58.37 | your_dog | hey noodleman |
| 18:58.43 | Noodleman | i'm trying to think of what to do next with stats.bzflag.org |
| 18:58.46 | Noodleman | any ideas? |
| 18:58.48 | your_dog | want EEZ to beat y'all again some time soon? ;) |
| 18:58.49 | Chikorita | lol nid ..funny tank |
| 18:59.03 | Chikorita | your_dog: heh |
| 18:59.04 | Noodleman | your_dog: hehe, we'll beat you |
| 18:59.28 | Noodleman | for some reason, we don't seem to play as a team |
| 18:59.59 | Nidhoggr | I gotta merge the graphics from a box of peeps into the picture. |
| 19:00.06 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:00.52 | Chikorita | peeps! |
| 19:00.57 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:01.39 | Chikorita | Nidhoggr: dat would b funny if ur tank got shot an it made a "quack" sound |
| 19:01.55 | Nidhoggr | it would have to be a "peep" sound. ;) |
| 19:02.02 | Chikorita | peep! |
| 19:02.06 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:03.26 | Chikorita | ooops hi tupone |
| 19:03.35 | Chikorita | sry i have irc lag , heh |
| 19:03.44 | Tupone | np Chikorita |
| 19:04.24 | Chikorita | Tupone: how r u ? (on ur side of da planet ;) |
| 19:05.24 | Tupone | we are on the same side (dividing north & south). Thanks, good, no flu, no cold, just bz illness |
| 19:06.01 | Chikorita | bz illness? |
| 19:06.16 | Chikorita | too much bz? or too lil? |
| 19:07.13 | Chikorita | peep! |
| 19:07.23 | Chikorita | ~weather khgr |
| 19:07.54 | Chikorita | itz very cold here 2 ..6 degrees! |
| 19:08.07 | Noodleman | ~weather kevv |
| 19:08.32 | Noodleman | 39 F, not bad :-) |
| 19:08.45 | SportChick | is there a list of what city designations are? |
| 19:08.45 | Chikorita | heh , dats balmy compared to md. |
| 19:08.51 | Chikorita | ya |
| 19:08.57 | Chikorita | umm |
| 19:09.09 | Chikorita | ~weather ana |
| 19:09.11 | Noodleman | i never seems to get really cold here |
| 19:09.20 | Chikorita | therz da addy^^^^ |
| 19:09.23 | Noodleman | although i haven't been here for more than 5 months |
| 19:09.43 | Chikorita | www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml |
| 19:10.03 | Chikorita | it has a link 2 da page wher da codes r |
| 19:11.09 | Chikorita | aww |
| 19:11.36 | your_dog | good bit of advice, don't touch hot stove with bare hands :) |
| 19:11.43 | Chikorita | heh ya |
| 19:11.48 | Chikorita | b careful |
| 19:12.14 | your_dog | you would think after 18 years, i would know that ;) |
| 19:12.27 | Chikorita | wear oven mittens 4 ur paw |
| 19:12.44 | your_dog | guess ya just cain't help stupid peeple :-D |
| 19:12.47 | Chikorita | r u cookin sumthing in da stove? j/w |
| 19:13.03 | your_dog | hehehe |
| 19:13.10 | your_dog | j/w? |
| 19:13.18 | Chikorita | jus wondering |
| 19:13.32 | your_dog | ahhh |
| 19:13.38 | Chikorita | j/w= jus wondering j/c= jus curious |
| 19:13.39 | your_dog | no, this is a wood stove |
| 19:13.41 | Chikorita | :) |
| 19:13.45 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 19:13.46 | your_dog | our source of heat :) |
| 19:13.49 | Chikorita | ah |
| 19:13.53 | your_dog | ahh, cool, thnx |
| 19:14.08 | your_dog | our ONLY source of heat :) |
| 19:14.16 | Chikorita | can u use it 2 cook wif too? |
| 19:14.25 | Chikorita | or iz it more like a fireplace? |
| 19:14.48 | your_dog | no, it's not a fireplace, but you can't cook onit |
| 19:14.58 | your_dog | wish we could |
| 19:14.58 | your_dog | just for when the power goes out |
| 19:15.01 | Chikorita | wee roast marshmellows in our fireplace sumtimes |
| 19:15.15 | Chikorita | your_dog: o i c |
| 19:15.36 | your_dog | yeah, cool |
| 19:15.46 | your_dog | i like roasted marchmellows |
| 19:15.52 | Chikorita | mee2 |
| 19:15.57 | Chikorita | yumm |
| 19:16.33 | your_dog | and a marshmellow ;) |
| 19:16.38 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack mini marshmallow |
| 19:16.39 | | :), Chikorita |
| 19:16.54 | Chikorita | smores r even betta |
| 19:17.04 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack s'mores |
| 19:17.04 | | thanks, Chikorita |
| 19:17.05 | your_dog | hehhee |
| 19:17.09 | Chikorita | yw :) |
| 19:17.14 | your_dog | i've never had one :( |
| 19:17.18 | Chikorita | no? |
| 19:17.19 | Chikorita | aww |
| 19:17.20 | yoyox | ~seen Quol |
| 19:17.29 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15h 7m 46s ago, saying: 'oh well - no worries I guess - see you all later- bed time for me...see you all around'. |
| 19:17.29 | your_dog | never been camping much |
| 19:17.29 | Noodleman | ~botsnack concrete pudding |
| 19:17.29 | | aw, gee, Noodleman |
| 19:17.30 | Chikorita | noo |
| 19:17.36 | Chikorita | ndunt give her dat |
| 19:17.40 | Chikorita | lol |
| 19:17.41 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:17.43 | your_dog | lol |
| 19:17.47 | Noodleman | she eats anything |
| 19:17.52 | Noodleman | ~botsmack |
| 19:17.54 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 19:17.58 | Chikorita | ya..including...noodles >;) |
| 19:18.04 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:18.13 | Chikorita | ibot: eat noodleman |
| 19:18.17 | | ACTION eats noodleman and falls over dead |
| 19:18.18 | Chikorita | ooops |
| 19:18.22 | Chikorita | heh |
| 19:18.24 | your_dog | hehehe |
| 19:18.24 | Noodleman | haha |
| 19:18.28 | Chikorita | bad noodle |
| 19:18.34 | your_dog | lol |
| 19:18.36 | Chikorita | oodles of noodles! |
| 19:18.42 | Chikorita | (((((((((((( |
| 19:18.47 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:18.50 | Noodleman | _______________ |
| 19:18.56 | Noodleman | one spaghetti noodle |
| 19:18.59 | Chikorita | lol |
| 19:19.17 | your_dog | angel hair? |
| 19:19.22 | Noodleman | sure, that too |
| 19:19.22 | Chikorita | O:) |
| 19:19.32 | Noodleman | ================= |
| 19:19.33 | your_dog | :P |
| 19:19.39 | Noodleman | fettuccine |
| 19:19.41 | your_dog | heh |
| 19:19.47 | Noodleman | ~spell fettuccine |
| 19:19.50 | | 'fettuccine' may be spelled correctly |
| 19:19.50 | Chikorita | so many noodles i c around recently... |
| 19:20.07 | Chikorita | sum1 named "master noodle" an "noodleroni" |
| 19:20.18 | your_dog | just laying on the ground? |
| 19:20.22 | Noodleman | noodleroni is knightmare |
| 19:20.26 | your_dog | oh |
| 19:20.28 | Chikorita | really? |
| 19:20.32 | Chikorita | no way |
| 19:20.38 | Chikorita | =O |
| 19:20.41 | Chikorita | eep |
| 19:20.46 | Noodleman | he was attempting to cheat under my name, although i never play as noodleroni :-) |
| 19:21.01 | your_dog | what team is he on? |
| 19:21.16 | Noodleman | he lives in his own little world |
| 19:21.22 | Chikorita | he iz on team Cheater PooP |
| 19:21.27 | Noodleman | haha |
| 19:21.29 | Chikorita | heh |
| 19:21.40 | your_dog | hehe |
| 19:21.48 | your_dog | haha hehe |
| 19:21.52 | Chikorita | hope he duznt hack my puter now :x |
| 19:21.58 | Noodleman | and i've seen master noodle a few times |
| 19:22.10 | Noodleman | he isn't a hacker, he just thinks he is |
| 19:22.16 | Chikorita | )))))))))))))))))))) <<noodles |
| 19:22.18 | Noodleman | i mean, knightmare |
| 19:22.23 | Chikorita | ((((((((((((((((((( <<anti-pasta |
| 19:22.27 | Chikorita | hehe |
| 19:22.45 | Chikorita | ((((( ))))))) <<annihilation! |
| 19:22.48 | Noodleman | if you eat a pound of pasta and a pound of antipasto, are you still hungry? |
| 19:22.57 | Chikorita | lol u blow upz duntcha? |
| 19:22.58 | your_dog | hehe |
| 19:23.19 | Noodleman | they'll cancel each other out, won't they? |
| 19:23.22 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 19:23.26 | Noodleman | i wish they did |
| 19:23.30 | Chikorita | heh i tho so |
| 19:23.33 | Chikorita | (-: |
| 19:23.43 | Noodleman | i like antipasto and pasta, and i wish i could have MORE! |
| 19:23.48 | Chikorita | anti-smiley! |
| 19:24.04 | your_dog | if y'all c me enter a bunch letters, it's cause i fell asleep with my head on the keyboard |
| 19:24.05 | Chikorita | italian foo iz yumm |
| 19:24.15 | Noodleman | your_dog: hehe |
| 19:24.16 | Chikorita | your_dog: o okies |
| 19:24.23 | Chikorita | wee wil ping u awake |
| 19:24.27 | Noodleman | this cat is weird |
| 19:24.32 | your_dog | lol |
| 19:24.33 | Chikorita | o? |
| 19:24.36 | your_dog | ok |
| 19:24.47 | Noodleman | one minute she is madly in love with me, and 5 minutes later, she's running away from me |
| 19:24.48 | Chikorita | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.50 | Chikorita | j/c |
| 19:24.56 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 19:25.11 | your_dog | what cat? |
| 19:25.13 | Chikorita | all cats have ther lil quirks...jus like peeple |
| 19:25.28 | Noodleman | this particular cat's name is woogie |
| 19:25.29 | your_dog | we have about 11 cats :( |
| 19:25.34 | Noodleman | i didn't name her :-) |
| 19:25.34 | your_dog | too many |
| 19:25.35 | Chikorita | wow |
| 19:25.44 | Chikorita | r u serious doggy? |
| 19:25.45 | your_dog | we have about 11 cats, 2 dogs, and a cow |
| 19:25.47 | your_dog | yeah |
| 19:25.53 | Chikorita | woogie woogie wooo |
| 19:25.58 | Chikorita | wow |
| 19:25.58 | your_dog | hehe |
| 19:26.07 | your_dog | too many animals |
| 19:26.08 | Chikorita | u should name urself "your_cat" |
| 19:26.15 | Noodleman | and this cat is ugly, to boot |
| 19:26.23 | your_dog | hhehe |
| 19:26.23 | your_cat | lol noodle |
| 19:26.37 | your_cat | heh ur own lil zoo |
| 19:26.47 | your_dog | the only animal i really like is my dad's 98 Freightliner Classic ;) |
| 19:26.55 | Noodleman | we used to have loads of animals too |
| 19:26.56 | your_cat | i kno sum1 like dat , she has a bucha dogs , cats , fish , birds.. :P |
| 19:27.05 | Noodleman | we've since cut down considerable |
| 19:27.06 | Noodleman | *ly |
| 19:27.24 | Noodleman | and we had 11 snakes at one time |
| 19:27.30 | your_cat | Noodleman: maybee ur cat iz hungry? |
| 19:27.32 | your_dog | i don't like snakes |
| 19:27.38 | your_cat | wow 11 snakes =O |
| 19:27.39 | Noodleman | i really like snakes |
| 19:27.44 | your_dog | i REALLY don't like spiders |
| 19:27.49 | your_cat | eep |
| 19:27.54 | your_cat | spidaz :P |
| 19:28.00 | Noodleman | i've got pictures of one of my 2 remaining snakes online |
| 19:28.15 | your_cat | M << spida |
| 19:28.29 | your_cat | lol |
| 19:28.32 | your_bird | ;=] |
| 19:28.35 | your_dog | hehhe |
| 19:28.50 | your_cat | wut kinda snakes noodle? |
| 19:29.01 | your_cat | iz dat ur king snake ur talkin bout?? |
| 19:29.08 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 19:29.14 | your_cat | o okies |
| 19:29.19 | your_cat | king snake r kewl |
| 19:29.20 | Noodleman | i've got a california king snake and a rosy boa |
| 19:29.27 | your_cat | kewl |
| 19:29.40 | Noodleman | both native to california :-) |
| 19:29.52 | your_cat | do dey get along? or r dey in seperate dens? |
| 19:30.02 | Noodleman | separate cages :-) |
| 19:30.06 | your_cat | ah |
| 19:30.09 | your_cat | (-: |
| 19:30.09 | Noodleman | the king snake would eat the boa |
| 19:30.16 | your_cat | ooH heh |
| 19:30.31 | Noodleman | cal kings eat rattlesnakes in the wild |
| 19:30.37 | your_cat | boas' r bigger than king snakes , yes? |
| 19:30.44 | Noodleman | rosy boas aren't |
| 19:30.48 | your_cat | o okies |
| 19:30.51 | your_cat | i c |
| 19:30.57 | your_cat | ~ << snake |
| 19:31.01 | Noodleman | they only get at most 2.5, maybe 3 feet |
| 19:31.23 | your_dog | the biggest snake i've ever seen in person was about 6 feet long |
| 19:31.27 | your_dog | it was a black snake |
| 19:31.30 | your_cat | gues wut dis iz.. ( M ~ |
| 19:31.41 | your_cat | dats noodleman feedin his snake a spida |
| 19:31.44 | Noodleman | i had a ball python, but he escaped while we where moving |
| 19:31.51 | your_cat | ooH |
| 19:31.51 | Noodleman | haha |
| 19:32.01 | your_cat | did u eva find it again? |
| 19:32.10 | Noodleman | nope |
| 19:32.11 | your_cat | black rat snake? |
| 19:32.24 | your_dog | me? |
| 19:32.27 | your_cat | i saw a garter snake in my yard once |
| 19:32.36 | Noodleman | no, i don't have any rat snakes, if that's what you're asking |
| 19:32.37 | your_cat | dey r green |
| 19:32.41 | Noodleman | i did have corn snakes |
| 19:32.45 | your_cat | o okies |
| 19:32.49 | your_cat | dey eat rats too |
| 19:32.53 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 19:32.53 | your_cat | i think |
| 19:32.55 | your_cat | yea |
| 19:33.01 | your_cat | (-: |
| 19:33.07 | Noodleman | both of my snakes get fed rats |
| 19:33.10 | your_cat | <<knows sum snake stuff |
| 19:33.16 | your_cat | ah |
| 19:33.17 | Noodleman | *slurp* |
| 19:33.47 | your_cat | watch ur fingerz ;) |
| 19:33.52 | your_cat | ~quol |
| 19:33.59 | your_cat | ~d |
| 19:34.41 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack yellow duckie marshmallow |
| 19:34.41 | | thanks, Chikorita |
| 19:34.50 | Chikorita | heehe yw |
| 19:34.54 | Chikorita | bbl peeps |
| 19:37.53 | ill | ~translate en it dizzy |
| 19:41.40 | SportChick | ~weather RDOC1 |
| 19:42.06 | ill | ~weather kapg |
| 19:42.48 | SportChick | ~weather K4L7 |
| 19:43.08 | SportChick | ~weather klax |
| 19:43.20 | ill | most airport codes work |
| 19:43.25 | SportChick | yup |
| 19:43.28 | SportChick | I see that |
| 19:43.33 | SportChick | ~weather KMMH |
| 19:44.07 | SportChick | wish it would give the snow report, too! ;) |
| 19:51.10 | Grumbler | <sniff> <sniff> guu could........poor bot |
| 19:56.37 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: yup, 'bout time |
| 20:03.59 | Chestal | someone broke the AUTHORS file! |
| 20:05.10 | TimRiker | eek! |
| 20:05.23 | TimRiker | add that to the BUGS then. ;-) |
| 20:05.42 | ill | heh |
| 20:06.00 | TimRiker | Noodleman: we need to start actual central login. should add some php tables and extend the list server soon. |
| 20:06.18 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/AUTHORS: I'm a BIG mole |
| 20:06.54 | larsl | TimRiker: Sure, I can add colors to bzadmin. |
| 20:06.57 | ill | hehe, chestal.. i was just about to ask why lowercase :) |
| 20:07.56 | Chestal | "quol reports that his 1.10.3 server", the CTF one we played on earlier, was a 1.10.0 or 1.10.2 at least |
| 20:08.06 | Chestal | or maybe an early 1.10.3 |
| 20:08.19 | larsl | TimRiker: And the "no typing while showing the menu" is intended, all keystrokes are going to the menu and the menu items when the menu is visible. I think I'm going to change it to three modes; no menu, menu visible and handles keys, menu visible but command prompt handles keys. |
| 20:08.27 | ill | he's not running the latest because of this problem |
| 20:08.51 | larsl | ill: Did everyone who connected to the server have to identify, or only the admins? |
| 20:08.54 | Chestal | ah, but we got no new info yet, i.e. whether it onyl applies to the admin(s)? |
| 20:09.13 | ill | Chestal: i think the problem is because requireidentify is getting added to the admin group, so all admins have to identify.. |
| 20:09.28 | ill | larsl: not sure .. I'm guessing |
| 20:10.02 | Chestal | yes, I also have to id |
| 20:10.14 | Chestal | it's an artifact of making this a permisson when it really isn't |
| 20:10.21 | ill | probably |
| 20:10.52 | Chestal | are spawns really that bad on other servers? |
| 20:10.59 | Chestal | on mine they seem to work mostly fine |
| 20:11.05 | ill | i think they're just being whiny |
| 20:11.18 | Chestal | I had a thought which could alleviate the problem with spawning into shots somewhat, but I am not sure it#s a good one |
| 20:11.46 | ill | the problem is equal across all players anyways.. |
| 20:12.14 | Chestal | but I am sure you want to hear nonetheless, so hear it is :-) : make newly spawned tank invulnerable to shots which were born before the tank respawned |
| 20:12.24 | ill | i thought that we could add a simple shot table that gets updated on shot updates, and then use that for spawn entry, but it'd probably all get ripped out later |
| 20:12.41 | ill | Oooooo... |
| 20:12.49 | ill | that'd have an interesting effect |
| 20:12.59 | ill | no more base spawn camping |
| 20:13.06 | ill | at least from a distance |
| 20:13.08 | Grumbler | ill: only equal if everybody dies equally |
| 20:13.17 | Chestal | that woudn't solve the spawn-right-in-front-of-your-teammate-and-get-killed-by-a-shot-problem |
| 20:13.36 | Chestal | but 1.7 had that, too |
| 20:13.41 | ill | right |
| 20:14.01 | Grumbler | Chestal: did not seem as bad as this version |
| 20:14.49 | Grumbler | Chestal: but your invunerable idea might help......would have to be played out.......invunerable, unable to fire shots would be nice as well |
| 20:15.15 | Chestal | Grumbler: it's not the same as giving the new tank a temp invulnerability |
| 20:15.30 | Chestal | should only make it immune to shots which were already in air before it spawned |
| 20:16.28 | ill | Chestal: that's rather similar to making tanks invulnerable for a short amount of time |
| 20:16.28 | ill | which I've heard is veto'd, no? |
| 20:16.45 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (CursesUI.cxx CursesUI.h): Add another menu state: menu is visible, but command prompt handles keystrokes, use F2 to cycle between menu states |
| 20:16.55 | Chestal | ill: no, IMHO it's fundamentally different |
| 20:17.23 | Grumbler | i dont think they are necessarily the same, because a tank spawning in fire sight line would still die very quickly |
| 20:17.43 | Grumbler | in Chestal version that is |
| 20:17.56 | Grumbler | gilespie |
| 20:18.14 | Grumbler | do you play trumpet as well.... :) |
| 20:18.19 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/PlayerInfo.h: Forgot the copyright notice |
| 20:18.22 | dizzy | heh |
| 20:18.28 | dizzy | no, just guitar |
| 20:18.38 | dizzy | and not very well any more |
| 20:19.59 | Grumbler | IMHO, the best option is to spawn someone in the map, then let them drive X seconds around unable to kill or die, so they have the ability to escape a bad spawn |
| 20:22.44 | Grumbler | otherwise, just make it as simple as possible on the client/server and just deal with bad spawns |
| 20:24.21 | Grumbler | ug, a business trip to pasadena, have to break out the short sleeves |
| 20:24.25 | Chestal | the downside to me idea is that it would probably be a tad confusing |
| 20:24.41 | Chestal | you see a player spawn, hit by a shot, and it doesn't explode |
| 20:24.56 | Chestal | (that happens all the time actually due to lag :-) |
| 20:24.56 | Grumbler | there might be a few "cheater" comments out there |
| 20:26.04 | dizzy | yea, how long you excactly have wouldn't be apparent, but I supposed you could put "a shield" around them like when they are paused |
| 20:26.36 | Chestal | dizzy: with my idea, not really |
| 20:26.46 | Chestal | because there really is no such time |
| 20:27.00 | dizzy | right, i meant the invincible idea |
| 20:27.10 | Chestal | yes, that would be possible |
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| 20:45.10 | Blue_Beard | I agree, Grumbler. Sometimes people pause in the middle of important spots just to annoy. |
| 20:46.10 | Grumbler | just imagine if that pause bubble occurred every time someone spawned.....the map would look like bubble wrap |
| 20:46.22 | Blue_Beard | :-\ |
| 20:46.32 | dizzy | heh |
| 20:47.18 | Blue_Beard | Time for bball. :) |
| 20:48.05 | Grumbler | bzflag-ball............ |
| 20:48.25 | Grumbler | there is a large ball in the middle of the field that you push around |
| 20:48.30 | Blue_Beard | No.. Friday evening bball... with my friends. Every Friday 4:00-6:00 or so.. :) |
| 20:48.43 | Blue_Beard | Shoot it to make it bounce? ;) |
| 20:48.58 | Grumbler | haha......nah i was just thinking of a new branch |
| 20:49.16 | Grumbler | shoot to make it bounce, if it lands on you......you die |
| 20:49.22 | Blue_Beard | Okay.. now I'm off. :) |
| 20:49.32 | Blue_Beard | Might be fun. Patches welcome. :P Bwahahahahahaha. |
| 20:49.59 | Grumbler | this boy needs some new skills |
| 20:50.22 | Grumbler | fyi, Hubble Space Telescope will discontinued under the new Bush initiative |
| 20:50.38 | captain_proton | hubble is reaching its EOL anyways |
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| 20:51.08 | FunnyHat_Hiding | It doesn't run on my p3 500 Mhz. Then again, nothing really does. :) |
| 20:51.10 | Grumbler | they still had 15 years of projects planned..........friend was supposed to launch just before the explosion |
| 20:51.27 | *** part/#bzflag FunnyHat_Hiding (~daveoverc@216.133.161.34) |
| 20:51.36 | captain_proton | our local district congressman was questioning the bush space plan, saying that there are things which it depends on that should be funded first - namely, NOAA and NIST |
| 20:51.52 | captain_proton | (its amazing how both of those have large branches in town) |
| 20:52.35 | Grumbler | just wait, Boeing is going to get a big chunk of this new plan............ |
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| 20:59.08 | Grumbler | hey Noodleman_laptop |
| 20:59.13 | Noodleman_laptop | hey |
| 20:59.15 | Noodleman_laptop | brb |
| 20:59.45 | your_dog | ok, i'll cy'all l8r |
| 20:59.52 | your_dog | got some things i want to do |
| 21:00.14 | Noodleman_laptop | ok, back |
| 21:00.33 | Noodleman_laptop | what up, Grumbler |
| 21:00.43 | Noodleman_laptop | ? |
| 21:00.58 | Grumbler | Noodleman_laptop: sid6.7 said you are going to run a rotating map server? |
| 21:01.08 | Noodleman_laptop | huh? |
| 21:01.14 | Noodleman_laptop | i never said that :-) |
| 21:01.16 | Grumbler | thats what i thought |
| 21:01.18 | Noodleman_laptop | or maybe i did |
| 21:01.23 | Nidhoggr | larsl: small bug in new bzadmin code. |
| 21:01.23 | Noodleman_laptop | i never remember anything |
| 21:01.40 | Noodleman_laptop | maybe i said i'd like to run one again |
| 21:01.41 | Grumbler | haha, nah , i think it was just a miscommunication between me and him |
| 21:01.55 | larsl | Nidhoggr: What bug? |
| 21:02.12 | Grumbler | Noodleman_laptop: i am going to be running one for map designers |
| 21:02.23 | Nidhoggr | do a /banlist |
| 21:02.23 | Noodleman_laptop | yeah, saw that on BZBB |
| 21:02.39 | Grumbler | you DID run one? |
| 21:02.44 | Nidhoggr | and it will say --- PARSING BAN LIST |
| 21:02.55 | Nidhoggr | every other line or so after that, even after banlist is gone. |
| 21:03.01 | Noodleman_laptop | yes, i did run a very popular one a year or so ago |
| 21:03.22 | Noodleman_laptop | it was with 100 shots |
| 21:03.30 | Noodleman_laptop | never any good players there :-) |
| 21:03.33 | Grumbler | you have any old scripts I could scarf............or was it hard scripted |
| 21:03.47 | Nidhoggr | I know we were going to run another server with rotating... shkoo will be in charge of what goes on it though. |
| 21:03.48 | Noodleman_laptop | it was very simple |
| 21:04.00 | Grumbler | ok.....i will stick with python then |
| 21:04.28 | Noodleman_laptop | check out daemontools, it saved my life :-) |
| 21:04.34 | Noodleman_laptop | ~google for daemontools |
| 21:04.41 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Thanks... I thought that I had removed that code, since I haven't implemented the actual banlist editor yet. |
| 21:05.02 | Nidhoggr | okie. :) |
| 21:05.30 | Grumbler | hmm, will have to dig into that later |
| 21:06.11 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: Don't try to parse the banlist yet |
| 21:14.39 | SportChick | ~weather KTOA |
| 21:15.20 | SportChick | hmph..no wonder it feels so cold outside...it LOOKS like at least 70, but doesn't feel like it |
| 21:15.32 | Noodleman_laptop | heh |
| 21:15.45 | Noodleman_laptop | i'l like it to be 51 F all year long |
| 21:15.59 | captain_proton | 62? |
| 21:16.02 | SportChick | actually 61 isn't so bad..it got down to about 40 last week |
| 21:16.04 | captain_proton | silly flatlanders |
| 21:16.05 | Noodleman_laptop | that's my preferred temperature, for some reason |
| 21:16.08 | SportChick | or was it the week before |
| 21:16.28 | SportChick | 69's nice...not too hot, not too cold |
| 21:16.37 | Noodleman_laptop | i like it cold :-) |
| 21:16.40 | SportChick | actually, anything between about 67 and 72 |
| 21:16.49 | SportChick | lol proton |
| 21:17.03 | Noodleman_laptop | i didn't get his joke |
| 21:17.18 | Noodleman_laptop | his humor is too sophisticated for me |
| 21:18.08 | captain_proton | 62 isn't cold |
| 21:18.11 | SportChick | called us flatlanders...I assume cuz temp is so warm |
| 21:18.17 | SportChick | compared to wherever he is |
| 21:18.25 | captain_proton | you guys obviously don't live at elevation |
| 21:18.27 | captain_proton | is the thing |
| 21:18.31 | Noodleman_laptop | no, i said i liked the idea of it being 51 |
| 21:18.42 | SportChick | nope...I'm about 10-20 feet above sealevel |
| 21:19.16 | Noodleman_laptop | i lived at 3000 feet for about 17 years, although you're in colorado, right? |
| 21:20.38 | SportChick | where in colorado? |
| 21:20.41 | SportChick | I love Co |
| 21:20.47 | captain_proton | boulder |
| 21:20.54 | SportChick | awwww nice place |
| 21:21.05 | SportChick | a friend runs the Bolder Boulder every year |
| 21:21.23 | SportChick | Copper's my favorite hill |
| 21:22.22 | Noodleman_laptop | i tried skiing once, but didn't enjoy it |
| 21:22.39 | captain_proton | its not really that uncommon for natives |
| 21:22.40 | SportChick | what is it with people in the best places to ski that don't! ack! |
| 21:22.47 | SportChick | I know |
| 21:22.47 | Noodleman_laptop | hehe |
| 21:22.50 | SportChick | it's crazy |
| 21:22.55 | captain_proton | however, nobody ever moves to CO without being a skiier or becoming a skiier |
| 21:23.15 | Noodleman_laptop | everybody i know in central oregon that likes that stuff actually snowboards |
| 21:23.35 | SportChick | my old roomie from college is a Co native...she didn't start skiing until she was in college and we invaded her parent's house every year |
| 21:24.00 | SportChick | parent's=parents' |
| 21:28.01 | Grumbler | SportChick: stop rolling your eyes, one may roll away |
| 21:28.19 | SportChick | naw...they're attached pretty good |
| 21:29.34 | Grumbler | :) |
| 21:33.09 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
| 21:35.18 | SportChick | chestal, did you ever hear back from your network guy re: ducati |
| 21:36.05 | Chestal | no |
| 21:36.19 | Chestal | but then today I noticed that our mail server is messed up |
| 21:36.31 | SportChick | ack! what a drag |
| 21:36.38 | Chestal | so maybe my mail or reply didn't make it, have to investigate |
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| 21:42.10 | Grumbler | shhh, its him |
| 21:45.03 | bryjen | wow. did i forget to shower? again? |
| 21:48.06 | bryjen | dropping like flies... |
| 21:49.15 | bryjen | as a mole should ;) |
| 21:56.18 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/misc/touchcopyright: here is comes |
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| 21:57.29 | Patlabor221 | it must be 2004 |
| 21:58.57 | Chestal | noooooo! |
| 22:00.43 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/misc/touchversion: broken |
| 22:01.39 | TimRiker | no? speak now before I commit. |
| 22:01.51 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 22:02.00 | SportChick | hehe |
| 22:02.08 | captain_proton | i think he's just whining about the coming flood of email |
| 22:02.48 | SportChick | shall we START a flood now? in anticipation? |
| 22:03.01 | SportChick | an anticipatory flood |
| 22:03.09 | Chestal | TimRiker: ah, go ahead :-) |
| 22:03.35 | Chestal | --in-place isn't standard? |
| 22:03.38 | Chestal | for sed? |
| 22:04.13 | TimRiker | heh. I'm fixing a couple things and going it again so there is only one flood. ;-) |
| 22:04.27 | SportChick | awwwww... that's no fun |
| 22:04.46 | SportChick | multiple floods are like waves...almost good enough to surf on |
| 22:04.50 | TimRiker | Chestal: hmm. I doubt it, but this is not part of the normal build. I'll try that while I'm at it. |
| 22:04.57 | dizzy | let flooding commence! |
| 22:05.20 | Chestal | flash is killing my browser again |
| 22:05.38 | Nidhoggr | flash is a flasher, not a murderer. |
| 22:05.38 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 22:05.48 | TimRiker | Chestal: no --in-place here. =( I could do it with perl, but I'm not going to. |
| 22:06.04 | SportChick | we're full of useful comments today, aren't we, nid? |
| 22:06.14 | SportChick | long or shortboard, dizzy? |
| 22:06.24 | dizzy | long |
| 22:06.27 | Nidhoggr | <--- a plethora of silliness |
| 22:06.30 | dizzy | my nipples were raw for over a week |
| 22:06.53 | SportChick | what length? I've got a custom-shaped 9'1" and an 8'0" too |
| 22:06.55 | dizzy | felt like the cadillac of surfboards -- big and slow |
| 22:06.56 | Nidhoggr | I used to get that when I was running |
| 22:07.15 | SportChick | actually, I prefer longboarding...it's great... |
| 22:07.30 | SportChick | a friend of mine has a 12 footer...it's a monster! |
| 22:07.35 | dizzy | nid: me too, this was definately worse pain :) |
| 22:07.57 | Nidhoggr | dizzy: ow. :( |
| 22:08.06 | dizzy | i don't recall the size, borrowed my buddy's |
| 22:08.57 | SportChick | well, how tall are you and how much taller than you was it? ;) |
| 22:09.19 | SportChick | uhoh |
| 22:09.19 | dizzy | it's only been doing simple filtering |
| 22:09.36 | dizzy | hence no suffixes, no nothing |
| 22:09.45 | SportChick | oooo what version? |
| 22:09.48 | SportChick | which compile |
| 22:10.09 | dizzy | latest |
| 22:10.10 | SportChick | nid: you watching sp? |
| 22:10.17 | dizzy | something i commited at the beginning of the week |
| 22:13.11 | SportChick | hrm |
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| 22:18.58 | Carnage_ | any ducati admins on? |
| 22:19.33 | Noodleman | take a look at the new stats.bzflag.org banner |
| 22:19.35 | Noodleman | much slicker |
| 22:20.25 | Noodleman | and it's got a smaller filesize than the old one :-) |
| 22:20.33 | Nidhoggr | sporty: I was editing web page. |
| 22:21.01 | Nidhoggr | can you check and see if I forgot anyone? |
| 22:21.01 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (227 files in 12 dirs): copyright flood |
| 22:21.07 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/ (177 files in 11 dirs): copyright flood |
| 22:21.13 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (87 files in 8 dirs): copyright flood |
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| 22:22.52 | TimRiker | and there was much spamming |
| 22:24.13 | Chestal | and making |
| 22:28.38 | Patlabor221 | is there any reason texture manager isn't in OGL with OGLTexture? |
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| 22:33.25 | Patlabor221 | actualy I am going to have a number of new high level "3d" managers and utility classes, should they go into there own project? |
| 22:33.45 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (11 files): Add some color |
| 22:35.39 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx: Remove stupid debug output |
| 22:37.13 | Chestal | waah, out of beer |
| 22:37.24 | creeperz | mmmm beer |
| 22:38.07 | larsl_away | creeperz: Aren't you a teenager? |
| 22:38.33 | creeperz | errr |
| 22:38.34 | dizzy | Chestal: gonna share? |
| 22:38.39 | creeperz | yea |
| 22:39.13 | Chestal | share what? |
| 22:39.13 | dizzy | the beer! |
| 22:39.14 | Chestal | but there's none left |
| 22:39.18 | Chestal | so I can share the rest if you like :-) |
| 22:39.26 | dizzy | you're gonna go pick up some more for everyone, right? :) |
| 22:39.37 | Chestal | stores are closed here |
| 22:39.41 | creeperz | technically, if im accompanied by a parent in a private resident i can smoke or drink |
| 22:40.05 | Chestal | smoke anything? :-) |
| 22:40.07 | creeperz | but they have to be with me for the entire duration of my drunkness |
| 22:40.20 | creeperz | or until my BAC is under .02 |
| 22:40.28 | dizzy | don't be in any hurry.. kills the brainy thingies |
| 22:41.16 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC9D27F4.ipt.aol.com) |
| 22:43.50 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp03995358pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 22:44.33 | Patlabor221 | well guess I can put texture manager anywhere then |
| 22:44.57 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx: Don't forget the colors when scrolling or changing menu mode |
| 22:45.19 | larsl | Patlabor221: Does it depend on any other libraries except libGLKit? |
| 22:45.47 | Patlabor221 | glKit? |
| 22:45.55 | larsl | The code in src/ogl |
| 22:46.01 | Patlabor221 | it oh |
| 22:46.08 | Patlabor221 | you mean OGL.lib :) |
| 22:46.12 | Patlabor221 | no it shouldn't |
| 22:46.26 | Patlabor221 | well that and STL |
| 22:46.38 | larsl | Not the media code (for loading textures)? |
| 22:46.50 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah it will call the media file |
| 22:47.01 | Patlabor221 | and bzdb |
| 22:47.17 | larsl | Maybe best to put it in its own directory then. |
| 22:47.34 | Patlabor221 | it would be nice if it was |
| 22:47.46 | Patlabor221 | then I could add the display object manager and the visual element manager there |
| 22:47.53 | Patlabor221 | and the 3d math and matrix utils |
| 22:48.05 | Patlabor221 | lib3D? |
| 22:48.05 | *** part/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 22:48.12 | larsl | Sounds good. =) |
| 22:48.24 | larsl | What's a visual element? |
| 22:48.38 | Patlabor221 | a thing that is drawn with one texture/material/pass |
| 22:48.46 | larsl | OK. |
| 22:49.11 | Patlabor221 | game objects have Display objects, display objects have visual elements |
| 22:49.25 | larsl | All these subsystems and libraries... we're getting larger than GNOME. =) |
| 22:49.42 | Patlabor221 | actualy when its all converted this will replace the scene and render nodes |
| 22:49.55 | Patlabor221 | tho there will be a lighting manager too |
| 22:50.07 | Patlabor221 | so I can abstract lights |
| 22:50.46 | Patlabor221 | this texture manager change is just to make everyone not use the OpenGLTexture objects directly but go thru the manager for binding |
| 22:51.10 | Patlabor221 | so the manager can only bind when a texture change actualy happens |
| 22:51.12 | Patlabor221 | and so stuff can be sorted on texture ID to minimise binds |
| 22:51.19 | larsl | Sounds very nice - are you going to start with this when Tim makes a development branch, or will you start adding stuff earlier? |
| 22:51.46 | Patlabor221 | it does not break anything so I see no reason to wait at all |
| 22:51.53 | Patlabor221 | I am ready to add the new texture manager now |
| 22:52.54 | Patlabor221 | I thoght 1.10.4 was waiting on karma, so I thought it had some time to go |
| 22:53.13 | Patlabor221 | didn't the render to a texture cap? |
| 22:53.14 | captain_proton | karma seems like a big feature for a tiny release |
| 22:53.22 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: teles? no |
| 22:53.23 | Patlabor221 | it's suposed to save the world |
| 22:53.29 | captain_proton | they just use about 4M of texture RAM >:) |
| 22:53.33 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 22:53.37 | larsl | Is 1.10.4 waiting for karma? |
| 22:53.37 | Patlabor221 | how were tehy animated? |
| 22:53.47 | Patlabor221 | just an animated texture? |
| 22:53.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: caustics - stargatesque |
| 22:53.51 | Patlabor221 | or multi texture? |
| 22:53.54 | Patlabor221 | how was it done? |
| 22:53.57 | captain_proton | animated tex |
| 22:54.01 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 22:54.07 | Silly | hi orchid |
| 22:54.12 | orchid | hello |
| 22:54.23 | Tupone | hi orchid |
| 22:54.31 | captain_proton | my god the existing scene node stuff is crufty |
| 22:54.37 | Silly | rehi tupo |
| 22:54.49 | Blue_Beard | Orchid.. hmm.. may I smell you? :) |
| 22:55.06 | orchid | back off bluey |
| 22:55.10 | Silly | =O |
| 22:55.11 | Silly | lol |
| 22:55.23 | Patlabor221 | well with this change you would be able to bind textures outside of the GLState stuff, and that could help your texture thing |
| 22:55.23 | larsl | captain_proton: Yup. |
| 22:55.24 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 22:55.27 | Blue_Beard | ;) |
| 22:56.16 | Patlabor221 | hence my desire to remove it all and replace it with a display object manager that calls a visual element system |
| 22:56.16 | TimRiker | recover from the flood ok? ;-) |
| 22:56.16 | captain_proton | guh, i'm not even seeing where the texture is specified |
| 22:56.16 | TimRiker | only one msg over the size limit. |
| 22:56.16 | larsl | TimRiker: Added some color to msgmessages in bzadmin. =) |
| 22:56.16 | Patlabor221 | I thought more about what PYbzflag did and it is very simialr to what I had planed, and I think you shall like it very much |
| 22:56.16 | Tupone | hi Silly |
| 22:56.22 | Silly | tgif |
| 22:56.42 | Patlabor221 | if I add a new lib will somone help make it work for not windows? |
| 22:56.42 | Tupone | sbis |
| 22:57.03 | larsl | Patlabor221: Sure. |
| 22:57.03 | Silly | sbis? |
| 22:57.17 | Tupone | sorry blond is saturday |
| 22:57.19 | TimRiker | 1.10 should always work. if you can add things in stages without breaking anything, go for it. |
| 22:57.33 | orchid | compiling bz on a celeron 1.7ghz takes ages compared to my old p3 866 |
| 22:57.38 | Silly | ah , heh |
| 22:57.41 | Patlabor221 | or Tim is this all stuff we should wait on? |
| 22:57.56 | TimRiker | karma should be started in 1.10 but you are welcome to do other things that don't break existing networking. |
| 22:58.03 | Chestal | I think we should get 1.10.4 out of the door after some more testing without adding any more features |
| 22:58.24 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: fine with me to start adding a lib3d if we don't break builds or change the networking. |
| 22:58.45 | Chestal | what about the higher res textures? are we going to put them in the release? or both or whatever? |
| 22:58.46 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you should create a sandbox branch to rip apart graphics |
| 22:58.47 | TimRiker | hmm. /me reviews the fix list sinse 1.10.2 |
| 22:59.32 | Silly | everything takes 4eva on my puter :P |
| 23:00.40 | TimRiker | yeah. there has been a ton of stuff. let's ship a 1.10.4 first. |
| 23:01.02 | larsl | The aggressive filter is still broken, I think. |
| 23:01.38 | Chestal | there have been some big changes durgn the last week (some gfx stuff, and in particular the bases/team flag issues), this needs some more testing |
| 23:01.58 | Chestal | also, we have to agree on the -c/-cr options |
| 23:02.04 | Silly | larsl: which filter? da bad word filter u mean? |
| 23:02.21 | Chestal | learner's suggestion might be ok, not sure |
| 23:02.42 | Silly | y iz "hello" considered a bad word on da bad word filter? |
| 23:02.52 | Blue_Beard | Hell?? |
| 23:02.57 | dizzy | hrm.. just testing the filter and it seems to be better now.. |
| 23:03.10 | larsl | Silly: Yes, that filter. |
| 23:03.10 | dizzy | lemme commit what I have |
| 23:03.17 | Silly | wel , even "hell" iznt a bad word i think , iz it? |
| 23:03.39 | Nidhoggr | yeah. aggressive filter is kinda broke off and on. |
| 23:03.42 | Chestal | all words are innocent, they aren't bad |
| 23:04.01 | Blue_Beard | Hell could be used in an angry/mean way I guess. |
| 23:04.06 | Patlabor221 | chestal I was going to release a high res installer |
| 23:04.06 | Patlabor221 | but not put them in CVS |
| 23:04.07 | Blue_Beard | But "Hello"... LoL. :-) |
| 23:04.09 | Patlabor221 | so the base install would be about the same size |
| 23:04.09 | Silly | hell iz jus a place , heh |
| 23:04.14 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: speeling |
| 23:04.19 | dizzy | didn't filter for me |
| 23:04.19 | Patlabor221 | then people could get the high res one |
| 23:04.24 | dizzy | so someone must have added "hell" |
| 23:04.27 | Silly | i heard dat "pizza" iz also a bad word>? |
| 23:04.40 | Silly | dizzy: o i c |
| 23:04.47 | Chestal | Patlabor2: hmm, but if it turns out that most peopel use those, it would be better to include them in the regular release sooner or later |
| 23:04.57 | Chestal | or make it really easy to get them on all platforms |
| 23:04.58 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: so let's clean up what's in there and do a 1.10.4 ok? |
| 23:05.06 | larsl | We haven't had codenames for the last two releases! |
| 23:05.07 | dizzy | Silly: site admins can customize what words they want to have get filtered |
| 23:05.11 | Patlabor221 | what else is on the 10.4 list? |
| 23:05.31 | TimRiker | nothing but bug fixes now. |
| 23:05.37 | Chestal | testing, reviewing some recent bugs, -c/-cr option |
| 23:06.06 | Chestal | msg sounds :-) |
| 23:06.06 | TimRiker | yeah. did we resolve -c -cr ? |
| 23:06.19 | Chestal | learner made the suggestion to use +f{} syntax for team flags, too |
| 23:06.28 | Chestal | haven't really thought about it |
| 23:06.30 | Silly | dizzy: k :) |
| 23:07.39 | TimRiker | I thought about that... would that mean you would have to add +f R +f G +f B +f P anytime you use -c or -cr ? |
| 23:08.01 | Chestal | hmm, no |
| 23:08.06 | dizzy | Silly: the only way I can think of that pizza would have gotten matched is if someone added "piss" to the word list (which it is not there by default) -- that would match "pizza" |
| 23:08.08 | Chestal | default shoudl always be 1 team flag |
| 23:08.21 | Chestal | does it make any sense to have different number of team flags for different teams? |
| 23:08.22 | TimRiker | an then would +f G{2} mean 2 or 3 flags? |
| 23:08.31 | dizzy | right, default would be one, unless you wanted to add more |
| 23:08.56 | larsl | Chestal: If you have different number of team members in the teams. =) |
| 23:08.56 | Chestal | not that I am sure tht it makes sense to have more than one flag in the first place :-) |
| 23:09.00 | Silly | dizzy: o |
| 23:09.01 | larsl | That could be interesting. |
| 23:09.56 | Chestal | would this 'desnity' option apply to ffa randm worlds, too? |
| 23:10.05 | Chestal | if so, it might be better to use an explicit option |
| 23:10.13 | TimRiker | Well I'm fine with that. -c or -cr adds one per team (with >0 max players) and then +f can add more. |
| 23:10.26 | Silly | brb i think my team iz in a match... |
| 23:11.01 | TimRiker | who wants to work on changing it? |
| 23:12.16 | *** join/#bzflag Silly (Chikorita@AC9D27F4.ipt.aol.com) |
| 23:12.25 | Patlabor221 | can somone put a flipin "world" line on the start server page? |
| 23:13.19 | dizzy | TimRiker: if nobody else gets to it before I finish this filter testing, I'll get on it |
| 23:13.24 | Carnage_ | BBL |
| 23:13.33 | dizzy | my illness notwithstanding, of course |
| 23:13.43 | TimRiker | k. first come first serve. /me adds to TODO... |
| 23:14.06 | dizzy | Patlabor221: world line? |
| 23:14.17 | Chestal | bzfs doesn't complain about +f 'R*{3}', but it doesn't add any flags either |
| 23:14.39 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6s: typos and shortlived -cr option |
| 23:14.44 | larsl | Is R* the code for red team flag? |
| 23:14.55 | dizzy | *shrug* |
| 23:15.07 | Chestal | what are your thoghts about a menu page for defining quickMessages? |
| 23:15.27 | Chestal | larsl: bzfs -help says so |
| 23:16.07 | larsl | Chestal: That sounds good. Most people don't even know that they exist now. |
| 23:16.15 | captain_proton | can we just get rid of the start server page? :P |
| 23:16.17 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: oh, it's -c that's changing, not -cr |
| 23:16.18 | TimRiker | Chestal: you asking me? sure. great. |
| 23:16.25 | TimRiker | captain_proton: no. |
| 23:17.03 | Chestal | I wonder where to link it to? options or options.keymapping? |
| 23:17.19 | dizzy | OOoh.. pat, you mean to specify your own world, no? |
| 23:17.50 | Chestal | proton: does this work at all? :-) |
| 23:18.47 | Chestal | and I want a message sound |
| 23:19.02 | Chestal | maybe I shoudl actually post soem feature requests |
| 23:19.04 | captain_proton | we could do a test release without it, and see how many people complain ;-) |
| 23:19.17 | TimRiker | captain_proton: no. |
| 23:20.05 | Chestal | if someone finds a nice 'you received a message' sound for bz, please give it to me |
| 23:20.15 | Silly | how bout a "peep" sound? |
| 23:20.24 | Chestal | not sure |
| 23:20.27 | dizzy | how about like a phone |
| 23:20.29 | Chestal | it should sound good :-) |
| 23:20.35 | Patlabor221 | packetloss sucks :( |
| 23:20.37 | Silly | dizzy: yea :) |
| 23:20.38 | Chestal | and woudl probably have to be optional |
| 23:20.51 | captain_proton | a phone has good and bad characteristics |
| 23:20.59 | TimRiker | captain_proton: I'd be ok with removing options from the page and inserting help that say "RTM to get different options" and offer to just start one. perhaps -cr or ctf and no other option. |
| 23:21.09 | Silly | nhow bout 1 of dem funky cell fone rings LoL |
| 23:21.13 | TimRiker | set -j -fb -ms 10 etc always. |
| 23:21.33 | Chestal | maybe we should split the options menu into several submenus |
| 23:21.41 | TimRiker | captain_proton: basically enable most features for quick demos. |
| 23:21.43 | Chestal | liek gfx / sound / whatdoIknow |
| 23:21.48 | Patlabor221 | chestall, yes I was going to post them in the SF downloads. |
| 23:21.55 | dizzy | it'd be cool to have most of what bzfs_conf.html does in that start menu page.. |
| 23:21.59 | Patlabor221 | Tim, then I will wait and conspire with the capitan |
| 23:22.09 | Patlabor221 | tho I will add these faces to the tank cus it needs them |
| 23:22.17 | captain_proton | wait? |
| 23:22.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: just branch ;)( |
| 23:22.31 | Chestal | -ms 10? nooooo |
| 23:22.34 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: ok |
| 23:22.47 | TimRiker | Chestal: well, more than one. 3 or 5 would get the same effect. |
| 23:23.10 | dizzy | hehe.. Chestal: how about this every time someone messages you? http://65.24.81.11/sounds/FX/2757.mp3 |
| 23:23.18 | TimRiker | create a db entry with server command line instead of the funky thing it sets now. |
| 23:23.35 | Chestal | hmm, wha tis 'Notice that the maximum number of shots for these styles is one.' supposed to mean? from bzfs manpage |
| 23:24.01 | Chestal | dizzy: waah :-) |
| 23:24.55 | Silly | lol |
| 23:25.04 | Patlabor221 | A lot of windows users use the start server page |
| 23:25.08 | Silly | sounds like a mosquito |
| 23:25.32 | *** join/#bzflag mmu (~revol@ALyon-109-1-8-107.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:25.38 | Patlabor221 | if it had a world field more people would use it to test worlds |
| 23:25.53 | TimRiker | larsl: a bit of color is nice. can we kill the whitespace? playerlist being double spaced seems silly. |
| 23:26.27 | larsl | TimRiker: Yes, sure. |
| 23:26.33 | Chestal | how does that menu thing work? |
| 23:26.50 | TimRiker | ok. so write an xml menu system and add all the options. |
| 23:27.14 | larsl | Patlabor221: We could put world files in $BZFDIR/worlds/ and just lists all files there in a menu from the start server page. |
| 23:27.22 | TimRiker | Chestal: the hardcoded one? i don't recall. a=1 or something? and just different options glued together? |
| 23:27.31 | Patlabor221 | that would kick ass for them |
| 23:27.39 | Chestal | no, I was referring to the one in bzadmin |
| 23:27.41 | Patlabor221 | that would be more like a real game |
| 23:27.44 | TimRiker | larsl: misc/*.bzw would be better imho |
| 23:27.48 | Chestal | but as it turns out, I do not see anythign in bzadmin at all |
| 23:27.48 | Silly | i alwayz tho root was male? |
| 23:27.56 | TimRiker | er data/*.bzw etc. |
| 23:27.57 | Chestal | I have the input prompt, and that's all |
| 23:28.06 | larsl | Chestal: F2. |
| 23:28.07 | Patlabor221 | as long as it is any folder, it's better then what is tehre now |
| 23:28.29 | Silly | hmm |
| 23:28.29 | TimRiker | my point being only files with .bzw should be looked for. |
| 23:28.31 | Patlabor221 | if I can tell them to "just put it in 'this' folder" it will help |
| 23:28.34 | larsl | F2 to switch on the menu, F2 again to keep the menu but give keyboard focus to the command prompt, F2 again to hide the menu. |
| 23:28.35 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:28.50 | Chestal | larsl: works, but /lagstats gives me nothing |
| 23:29.01 | larsl | Hm. |
| 23:29.11 | larsl | Chestal: Are there any other players? |
| 23:29.12 | TimRiker | larsl: what's the point of having the menu up without keyboard typing? |
| 23:29.25 | Chestal | larsl: they show up in the menu list |
| 23:29.27 | larsl | TimRiker: To be able to navigate through the menu. |
| 23:29.36 | TimRiker | larsl: I'd prefer that the keyboard work all the time unless you are in a text field in the menu etc. |
| 23:30.00 | larsl | OK... but the menu and the command prompt use some of the same keys now (arrow keys etc). |
| 23:30.16 | TimRiker | up/down/left/right/pgup/pgdn should be captured by the menu all the time. |
| 23:30.39 | TimRiker | if you need those, dismiss the menu. ;-) |
| 23:31.02 | larsl | Hm, OK. |
| 23:31.38 | TimRiker | but you should be able to type msgs in while the menu is up (assuming you are not in a text edit field in the menu) |
| 23:31.45 | larsl | What about enter, space etc? |
| 23:31.55 | TimRiker | backspace should work... |
| 23:32.05 | TimRiker | hmm. had not thought about enter... hmm. |
| 23:32.16 | Chestal | so, bzadmin works for you people? |
| 23:32.32 | Blue_Beard | ibot: bzedit |
| 23:32.34 | | bzedit is probably http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 23:33.05 | larsl | Chestal: I get lagstats. |
| 23:33.11 | Chestal | larsl: hmm |
| 23:33.18 | Chestal | I don't get anything in the upper area |
| 23:33.23 | Chestal | whatever comamnd I type |
| 23:33.44 | larsl | The menu don't change when you type commands. |
| 23:33.55 | larsl | s/don't/doesn't/ |
| 23:34.05 | Chestal | I am not even using the menu |
| 23:34.19 | Chestal | just starting up, trying /lagstats or whatever |
| 23:34.27 | larsl | Hm. |
| 23:34.44 | Chestal | enterign comamnds works |
| 23:34.47 | larsl | Did you see the '*** XYZ joined the game' messages for all players? |
| 23:34.47 | Chestal | editing, history |
| 23:34.56 | Chestal | all blank |
| 23:35.09 | Chestal | but not sure if there is a player right now |
| 23:35.22 | larsl | Did you get the welcome messages from the server? |
| 23:35.41 | Chestal | no |
| 23:35.50 | larsl | Hm. |
| 23:35.53 | Chestal | I only see 'Send to All:' |
| 23:35.58 | larsl | Is it a color terminal? |
| 23:36.02 | TimRiker | Sounds like it didn't connect. |
| 23:36.09 | dizzy | would someone test out the filtering and let me know if it is as expected? |
| 23:36.10 | Chestal | larsl: depends :-) |
| 23:36.28 | Chestal | actually, the answer is yes |
| 23:36.35 | Chestal | it's either xterm or screen, tried both |
| 23:36.43 | Chestal | let me try on my other machone |
| 23:36.44 | TimRiker | larsl: yeah. can't come up with a "enter" option I like. |
| 23:36.50 | larsl | All server and player messages are colored now - could that be a problem? |
| 23:37.04 | Chestal | are they all blue by default? |
| 23:37.08 | larsl | I should turn it off if the terminal doesn't support colors, haven't done that yet. |
| 23:37.09 | TimRiker | guess I'd prefer f2 to be fill screen then. and just 2 states. |
| 23:37.20 | Chestal | that's my terminal's background clor :-) |
| 23:37.31 | larsl | Chestal: Only from the blue team. |
| 23:37.38 | larsl | The server messages are yellow/brown. |
| 23:37.54 | larsl | TimRiker: Fill screen? Not split? |
| 23:37.55 | Chestal | tried with a white xterm, all blank |
| 23:38.15 | larsl | I've only tried it in gnome-terminal, will try xterm. |
| 23:38.33 | Chestal | on the other computer, the bzadmin from yesterday works, will compiel the nwest now |
| 23:39.11 | TimRiker | larsl: if you can only type in the menu, I'd rather get more stuff on screen in the menu. |
| 23:39.42 | TimRiker | "TERM=vt100 bzadmin" get's black and white for me here. |
| 23:40.01 | larsl | Hm. I kind of like seeing both things at once. The menu can be used as a scoreboard while you are typing commands. |
| 23:40.26 | larsl | And I get color in xterm. |
| 23:40.32 | larsl | Chestal: ncurses version? |
| 23:41.02 | TimRiker | right. color in xterm (well, konsole) and no color if I set TERM=vt100 first. both are visible. |
| 23:41.10 | larsl | TimRiker: Yes, same thing for me. |
| 23:41.15 | TimRiker | larsl: thoughts on compressing the menus? |
| 23:41.34 | Chestal | larsl: several |
| 23:41.47 | TimRiker | larsl: does bzadmin use the bzflag db? if so can we add auto-identify code? |
| 23:41.51 | larsl | TimRiker: Yes, I can remove the empty lines. I had them there before I started adding menus with lots of entries. =) |
| 23:41.59 | Chestal | bzadmin is linked against 5.3.20030719-4 |
| 23:42.04 | larsl | TimRiker: It has a BZDB. |
| 23:42.17 | TimRiker | does autoidentify work then? |
| 23:42.51 | larsl | Chestal: libncurses5-5.3-1.20030215.3mdk here. |
| 23:43.15 | larsl | TimRiker: No, it doesn't load the DB from the config file or look for passwords. But it can be added. |
| 23:43.55 | TimRiker | yeah, let's share the same config. anyone have issues with that? |
| 23:44.29 | Chestal | not sure if it's worth the hassle |
| 23:44.35 | Chestal | but then, it's larsl's work :-) |
| 23:44.35 | TimRiker | hassle? |
| 23:44.42 | Chestal | I am not sure it's so easy |
| 23:44.51 | Chestal | at least the autoidentify code woudl have to be copied from playing.cxx |
| 23:45.04 | Chestal | and for loading the config some more code I woudl guess |
| 23:45.08 | TimRiker | he already has a bzdb, this is just adding loading. I would not have bzadmin save to the config. |
| 23:45.32 | TimRiker | bzadmin users should be able to edit the config and you would not want both apps fighting over it. |
| 23:45.57 | Chestal | yes, but with more and more code duplicated it will become increasingly difficult to keep bzadmi in synch |
| 23:46.18 | TimRiker | need to clean out the shared code and link both apps to it. |
| 23:46.29 | Chestal | that's the game lib :-) |
| 23:46.30 | dizzy | hence the plans for a libgame etc |
| 23:46.37 | Chestal | playnned for 9.99 or so |
| 23:46.47 | dizzy | heh |
| 23:46.56 | Chestal | my silly puters are too slow |
| 23:47.09 | Chestal | in 2 weeks I'll have a very fast one, though :-) |
| 23:47.32 | Chestal | 256 * 2GHz Opteron |
| 23:47.39 | dizzy | woah.. but but.. then who will be the slowest benchmark?? |
| 23:47.50 | Chestal | or, to be more precise, 128 * 2 * 2GHz |
| 23:48.03 | captain_proton | Chestal: getting a cluster at work? |
| 23:48.05 | Chestal | well, not my playing machine :-) |
| 23:48.08 | Chestal | proton: yes |
| 23:48.13 | captain_proton | fun |
| 23:48.20 | Chestal | and it's all mine ;-) |
| 23:48.24 | TimRiker | Chestal: 2 2GHz processors? |
| 23:48.28 | dizzy | your precious? |
| 23:48.38 | Chestal | TimRiker: yes, 128 nodes with dual 2GHz OPteron each |
| 23:48.55 | TimRiker | yowser! |
| 23:48.57 | TimRiker | ~yow |
| 23:49.16 | scanline | =) |
| 23:49.50 | Chestal | larsl: same effect on my other machine |
| 23:49.57 | Chestal | larsl: similar libs, other compiler |
| 23:50.01 | larsl | Hm. |
| 23:50.09 | Chestal | yesterday's code worked |
| 23:50.54 | larsl | Must be the color then. |
| 23:51.22 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesMenu.cxx: Only one line per menu item |
| 23:51.30 | dizzy | does libplatform have anything for reading the filesystem ? |
| 23:51.39 | dizzy | i.e. to get a dir listing? |
| 23:52.03 | Chestal | boost:FIlesystem |
| 23:52.09 | captain_proton | eek |
| 23:52.11 | captain_proton | no boost |
| 23:52.24 | TimRiker | hmm. the snapping code looks for exsting files. not sure anything does readdir stuff at present. |
| 23:52.24 | Chestal | hmm, there's 3 occurences of readdir |
| 23:52.45 | Chestal | bzflag/playing.cxx, common/NundleMgr.cxx and common/OSFIle.cxx |
| 23:52.53 | Chestal | BundleMgr that is |
| 23:52.59 | dizzy | hehe, non in libplatform of course :) |
| 23:52.59 | Chestal | proton: why eek? Mostly good stuff in there |
| 23:53.06 | Chestal | some of that would be very handy |
| 23:53.15 | captain_proton | some of the template expansion can get -really- hair |
| 23:53.17 | captain_proton | hairy* |
| 23:53.29 | larsl | Chestal: You could try to comment out the color initialisation code at CursesUI.cxx:30 and some lines down. |
| 23:53.34 | captain_proton | in some of the boost.python stuff i did, one file took >700M to compile |
| 23:53.37 | Chestal | AFAIK most of the code has #ifdefs for some broken compilers liek VC6 |
| 23:53.55 | Chestal | larsl: wasn't there a change related to term size, too? |
| 23:54.05 | TimRiker | so cache, and locale do it now. |
| 23:54.41 | larsl | Chestal: Yes, it caches messages and redraws the main window completely when the terminal size changes. It shouldn't have any effect unless you resize the terminal though. |
| 23:55.01 | Chestal | proton: well, no need to use the more scary stuff, not everythign is big on templates in there |
| 23:55.36 | captain_proton | Chestal: it seems like there are smaller packages we could use for that same thing |
| 23:55.39 | captain_proton | like gnu cc++ |
| 23:55.50 | larsl | glib |
| 23:55.53 | larsl | =) |
| 23:55.57 | Chestal | larsl: no luck without the color code |
| 23:56.03 | larsl | Hm. |
| 23:56.09 | larsl | Does -ui stdboth work? |
| 23:56.23 | Chestal | proton: but lots of the boost code will probaby be in next ISO-C++ standard |
| 23:56.31 | TimRiker | osfile defines an osdir but nothing uses it. |
| 23:56.52 | Chestal | larsl: yes |
| 23:56.54 | captain_proton | larsl: using glib would cause the KDE users to get all frothy ;) |
| 23:58.18 | Chestal | well, I better go to bed, cu tomorrow |
| 23:58.22 | larsl | Chestal: You could try commenting out the wattron/wattroff in CursesUI::outputMessage() (CursesUI.cxx:120). |
| 23:59.09 | Chestal | larsl: no change |
| 23:59.13 | larsl | Grr. |
