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| 00:30.21 | Patlabor221 | oh |
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| 00:30.24 | captain_proton | but i suppose its possible |
| 00:31.20 | Patlabor221 | if you bump 5, 6, and 8 to 6 7 and 8 does that fix it? |
| 00:31.36 | Patlabor221 | in the switch in OptionsMenu::callback |
| 00:32.34 | Patlabor221 | I allso need >= not > on the texture test |
| 00:32.47 | captain_proton | nope |
| 00:32.58 | captain_proton | i'm pretty sure this crash is happening before any callback stuff happens |
| 00:33.19 | Patlabor221 | could it be something that is loading the setings from the config, and since I removed an item, its' geting wonkey? |
| 00:34.40 | captain_proton | nope, still crashes |
| 00:35.15 | Patlabor221 | well the callback stuff isn't right so let me commit these changes |
| 00:35.59 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/menus.cxx: |
| 00:35.59 | CIA-1 | it's an ID, not a number!! :) |
| 00:35.59 | CIA-1 | also make textures on with high quality |
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| 00:37.09 | Jaguar | hello, anyone wan tto match? |
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| 00:37.30 | Carnage_ | maybe |
| 00:37.48 | Jaguar | are you availble? |
| 00:38.25 | Noodleman | the elites and i had scheduled a match for an hour ago, but i just got back :-( |
| 00:38.41 | Jaguar | noodle? |
| 00:38.44 | Noodleman | hey |
| 00:38.51 | Carnage_ | no really jaguar |
| 00:38.56 | Jaguar | what? |
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| 00:39.23 | Jaguar | so, match or not |
| 00:39.30 | Noodleman | earlier today, your_dog and i had fixed up a match for 6:00 eastern |
| 00:39.37 | Noodleman | or somewhere around there |
| 00:39.44 | Jaguar | i didn't |
| 00:39.49 | Jaguar | wait, i did |
| 00:39.59 | Jaguar | hmm, i did? |
| 00:40.10 | Noodleman | whatever :-) |
| 00:40.22 | Jaguar | wait, what are you talking about? |
| 00:40.34 | Patlabor221 | cap where does it load the current options into the menu? |
| 00:40.50 | Noodleman | earlier today, your_dog and i where talking, and we scheduled a match between us and his team |
| 00:40.56 | Noodleman | but i couldn't make it |
| 00:41.08 | Jaguar | who is your dog? |
| 00:41.16 | Noodleman | your_dog is your_dog |
| 00:41.19 | Noodleman | that's his name |
| 00:41.20 | Carnage_ | hes a new player |
| 00:41.22 | Jaguar | i see |
| 00:41.28 | Jaguar | so, i want to match |
| 00:41.42 | Jaguar | i want to kick some butt |
| 00:41.52 | Noodleman | i won't be able to, i'll probably be leaving again in a few minutes |
| 00:41.57 | Carnage_ | ur going to have to wait a bit :( i have 2 ISU due friday |
| 00:42.16 | Jaguar | ok |
| 00:42.20 | Jaguar | never mind |
| 00:42.53 | michaelhhh | isu? |
| 00:43.26 | Carnage_ | independent study units |
| 00:46.32 | michaelhhh | learning to become a dental assistant? |
| 00:47.10 | michaelhhh | I'm just thinking of those ads on tv |
| 00:49.43 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SceneRenderer.cxx menus.cxx): |
| 00:49.43 | CIA-1 | make it acutlay save the experiemental qauality |
| 00:49.44 | CIA-1 | make menu set the stuff properly. |
| 00:50.30 | GuidedMonkey | Get your certificate in : Guided Missile, Shockwave, or Burrow. Or get your degree! You can major in sniping, jumping, and flag capturing! |
| 00:51.04 | Carnage_ | could i interiew some people that have jobs that wouldnt mind? |
| 00:51.26 | michaelhhh | heh |
| 00:51.41 | Carnage_ | :( |
| 00:51.51 | michaelhhh | I might actually get to reject some people.... be on the other side of the fence for a change |
| 01:01.39 | michaelhhh | bought myself a wriststrap after I killed that motherboard .. total cost $10 |
| 01:02.55 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: did you find it or still need me to point it out? |
| 01:04.14 | michaelhhh | that's the resize thing |
| 01:04.16 | michaelhhh | isn't it? |
| 01:04.58 | michaelhhh | if you search for setIndex .. I think that's one bit of it too.. but since he committed it |
| 01:05.03 | michaelhhh | he probably already knows :) |
| 01:06.33 | Patlabor221 | is it the set? |
| 01:06.43 | Patlabor221 | I just made some changes |
| 01:06.48 | Patlabor221 | other then those I just made, I dono |
| 01:07.15 | michaelhhh | depends on the kind of option you put in |
| 01:07.27 | captain_proton | should i paste the full traceback? |
| 01:07.31 | michaelhhh | think it's setIndex if you several difference choices |
| 01:07.47 | Patlabor221 | have you tried my last commit? |
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| 01:07.54 | michaelhhh | nope |
| 01:08.29 | captain_proton | er, no, lemme build & test |
| 01:08.42 | Patlabor221 | one sec, doing one more commit now |
| 01:09.08 | captain_proton | hey, looks like it works now |
| 01:09.09 | captain_proton | weird |
| 01:09.24 | Patlabor221 | I found a part where I was going past the item aray by 1 |
| 01:09.25 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SceneRenderer.cxx bzflag.cxx menus.cxx): move maxQuality and quality triger limits into bzdb |
| 01:09.32 | Patlabor221 | before the callback |
| 01:09.52 | captain_proton | that would do it |
| 01:11.15 | Patlabor221 | it was trying to init the old texture item |
| 01:11.23 | Patlabor221 | and was screwing up the other items |
| 01:11.30 | captain_proton | wow |
| 01:11.37 | captain_proton | the new ground texture looks like greenish leather |
| 01:11.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah at that low res it blured |
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| 01:12.03 | Patlabor221 | looks better with the 512 one |
| 01:12.18 | learner | hiya chikorita |
| 01:12.27 | Chikorita | hi L |
| 01:12.35 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (bzflag.cxx menus.cxx): put texture filter to use in BZDB |
| 01:13.03 | Patlabor221 | there now if somone can't use triliniar mip maping they can add an item to the config to change it |
| 01:13.11 | Patlabor221 | tho I doubt anyone needs to do that |
| 01:14.36 | Patlabor221 | does anyone actualy change dithering? |
| 01:15.33 | michaelhhh | if you're frantic enough you turn everything off ... |
| 01:15.44 | michaelhhh | never made any difference for me |
| 01:16.16 | Patlabor221 | wondering if I can make it a bzdb item |
| 01:16.39 | michaelhhh | are we convinced of bzdb's reliablity.. out of curiosity :) |
| 01:16.46 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (data/Makefile.am package/win32/nsis/Makefile.am): some files are changed. This is so make dist don't give up. Missing st else? |
| 01:16.58 | Patlabor221 | relyablity? |
| 01:17.18 | Patlabor221 | like it not saving what we put in it? |
| 01:17.25 | michaelhhh | Just if we put every feature through it and it isn't 100 % reliable... |
| 01:17.37 | michaelhhh | I'm not sure.. |
| 01:17.40 | michaelhhh | just rumors |
| 01:17.41 | Patlabor221 | it's based on SDL containers so I guess it's as relyable as them |
| 01:17.47 | Patlabor221 | we know it's not fast |
| 01:17.55 | Patlabor221 | but I don't think it has ever lost stuff |
| 01:18.19 | Tupone | s/SDL/STL/ |
| 01:18.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah soory |
| 01:18.25 | michaelhhh | just curious |
| 01:18.25 | Chikorita | hi tupone |
| 01:18.30 | michaelhhh | heh |
| 01:18.36 | Patlabor221 | too many S something L things :) |
| 01:18.38 | Tupone | hi Chiko |
| 01:18.39 | Chikorita | Tupone: gg ;) |
| 01:18.44 | michaelhhh | they never invited you to spelling bee I think |
| 01:18.56 | Patlabor221 | just once :) |
| 01:19.04 | michaelhhh | for real? |
| 01:19.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:19.14 | michaelhhh | lol |
| 01:19.18 | Patlabor221 | out right at the start :) |
| 01:19.38 | michaelhhh | my teachers used to complain about my handwriting in elementary school |
| 01:19.43 | michaelhhh | it's still pretty bad |
| 01:20.15 | michaelhhh | That was right when pc's were just starting to come in |
| 01:20.37 | michaelhhh | I had my c64 printer that couldn't print the lower parts of characters |
| 01:21.25 | michaelhhh | so it printed like : I had mY c64 Printer that couldn't Print the lower Parts of characters |
| 01:22.16 | michaelhhh | 5 1/4 inch floppie .. 300 baud modems |
| 01:23.32 | Patlabor221 | well the next 2 things to go would probably be dithering and smoothing |
| 01:23.56 | Patlabor221 | chestal do you run with those on? |
| 01:27.53 | Tupone | bye all |
| 01:27.57 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-123-209.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 01:27.58 | Chikorita | byez |
| 01:35.28 | Chikorita | any1 wif an interesting job , plz IM carny he needs peeps to interview for his homework project , Thnx :) |
| 01:36.00 | Chikorita | 4 skool |
| 01:36.47 | orchid | how about a job involving mind numbing monotany and incompetant supervisors? |
| 01:37.15 | Chikorita | orchid: heh , dats good 2 |
| 01:37.19 | Carnage_ | that will do |
| 01:38.25 | Blue_Beard | orchid: Don't those kind of jobs make up 95% of the job market? :) |
| 01:38.56 | Patlabor221 | not really |
| 01:39.02 | orchid | i would like to hope alot of people still get some happines out of work |
| 01:39.05 | Patlabor221 | depends how well you and your job match |
| 01:39.24 | Patlabor221 | orchid does not match her job |
| 01:39.41 | orchid | my job and i arnet talking, we hate each other |
| 01:39.47 | Blue_Beard | But that's just the thing. Most people only work well in the fifth percentile (their job preference). Therefore 95% of the job market is made up of bordom for each individual. |
| 01:39.54 | Patlabor221 | she needs to be helping me make games at my uber company I will start one day :) |
| 01:39.59 | Blue_Beard | It may vary a few percentages though, depending on the person. |
| 01:40.20 | Chikorita | Patlabor221: heh |
| 01:40.28 | Patlabor221 | anyone here run software rendering? |
| 01:40.43 | Chikorita | u could make da sequel to Secret Collet 2 |
| 01:40.47 | orchid | Chestal: probaly is Patlabor221 |
| 01:40.56 | Blue_Beard | Chikorita: :) |
| 01:40.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah but he's sleeping |
| 01:41.09 | Patlabor221 | collet? like a thing that grips a tool? |
| 01:41.18 | Chikorita | oops |
| 01:41.19 | orchid | he sleeps in th day, he's a mole |
| 01:41.26 | Chikorita | s/collet/collect |
| 01:41.41 | Patlabor221 | what was secret collect #1 ? |
| 01:41.47 | Chikorita | ya moles dunt like sunlight i think |
| 01:42.15 | Chikorita | Patlabor221: itsa Homestarrunner game |
| 01:42.16 | orchid | how do i totally disable caps lock in linux? |
| 01:42.31 | Blue_Beard | Glue the key in place. ;-) |
| 01:42.41 | orchid | im thinking of that , yes |
| 01:42.46 | Patlabor221 | should be able to set the keymaping and map it to a difrent thingy |
| 01:43.20 | Patlabor221 | so everyone here now runs software rendering? |
| 01:43.26 | Patlabor221 | sorry some sorta hardware? |
| 01:44.32 | michaelhhh | no texture on tops or bottoms ? |
| 01:45.07 | Patlabor221 | there are, just the texture is really bland |
| 01:45.07 | michaelhhh | it's just white or something |
| 01:45.08 | orchid | yay..tupones patch works, no more adjusting time for me |
| 01:45.23 | Patlabor221 | I'm working on the textre now |
| 01:45.48 | michaelhhh | the textures for the tanks are cool but the base's texture looks kind of garish |
| 01:45.51 | michaelhhh | imho |
| 01:46.07 | Patlabor221 | they are just tests |
| 01:46.16 | michaelhhh | and the grass.. well ... |
| 01:46.17 | scanline | Patlabor221: now you need to get bzflag a decal engine so you can have it randomly decorate things :) |
| 01:46.19 | Patlabor221 | if you got a better idea give it up |
| 01:46.27 | Chikorita | ~dict garish |
| 01:46.29 | michaelhhh | how about a nice checker pattern |
| 01:46.43 | Patlabor221 | yes scanline, hence my reasoning for puting in an experimental quality |
| 01:46.44 | scanline | Patlabor221: pybzflag would apply different sorts of random treadmarks and oilstains to different sized boxen, and it would make really thin ones look like bridges or platforms rather than buildings |
| 01:46.49 | scanline | :) |
| 01:46.51 | michaelhhh | I would suppose you could make some of these options |
| 01:46.52 | Patlabor221 | yes tha'ts what I want |
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| 01:47.08 | Patlabor221 | thankfuylly all the buildings are based on quadwall so I can just apply it to that |
| 01:47.09 | Chikorita | "ur tank looks rather tawdry" |
| 01:47.11 | Chikorita | LoL |
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| 01:47.18 | learner | heya mac.. nice n' early today :) |
| 01:47.26 | MrApathyCream | yah |
| 01:47.32 | Patlabor221 | michaelhhh, you remove the texture and it'll go back the old way |
| 01:47.32 | michaelhhh | it seems experimental == high |
| 01:47.38 | michaelhhh | ah so |
| 01:47.40 | Blue_Beard | Admin Action Apathy- Now with super admin powers! |
| 01:47.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah well everyone is used to the current high so... |
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| 01:47.55 | michaelhhh | and anything < experimental == absolute lagging crap |
| 01:48.27 | Patlabor221 | laggin? |
| 01:48.35 | michaelhhh | remove some of the hardware stuff from some of the lower quality modes? |
| 01:48.44 | Patlabor221 | graphics have nothing to do with network latency |
| 01:48.49 | michaelhhh | It just runs like extreme poopishly |
| 01:48.51 | Patlabor221 | hardware? |
| 01:49.00 | Patlabor221 | all it does is turn off textures |
| 01:49.04 | Patlabor221 | for low and med |
| 01:49.05 | michaelhhh | well if I .5 fps |
| 01:49.09 | michaelhhh | get |
| 01:49.23 | Chikorita | Quol? |
| 01:49.24 | michaelhhh | I bet that does effect lag |
| 01:49.27 | Patlabor221 | can you speak in complete sentances please? |
| 01:49.39 | Quol | yes chiko |
| 01:49.45 | Chikorita | poopishly! |
| 01:49.47 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: people don't understand the difference between system slowness/ickyness and network lag |
| 01:49.50 | michaelhhh | If I only get .5 fps in medium or low .. then I imagine that effects lag |
| 01:49.51 | Chikorita | Quol: hi :) |
| 01:50.08 | Patlabor221 | and what did you run at before? |
| 01:50.15 | michaelhhh | in high I get 60 + fps |
| 01:50.19 | Quol | hello Chikorita :) |
| 01:50.21 | Chikorita | thers sumtin odd bout ur v1.10 CTF match server Quol |
| 01:50.22 | captain_proton | michaelhhh: it will -affect- the rate at which you send updates, but it won't change lag |
| 01:50.30 | Chikorita | wee jus played a match ther |
| 01:50.34 | Quol | ya - it's called 1.10.2 |
| 01:50.43 | michaelhhh | it will effect that lag that others experience from me.... |
| 01:50.46 | michaelhhh | right? |
| 01:50.49 | captain_proton | AFFECT DAMNIT |
| 01:50.54 | triclops | need to place graphics in a seperate thread |
| 01:50.54 | michaelhhh | that's what I mean |
| 01:50.56 | orchid | heh |
| 01:50.59 | Patlabor221 | ok so your GL system is slow at non texture stuff, |
| 01:51.00 | michaelhhh | bleh! |
| 01:51.04 | Quol | I am trying to build CVS right now to replace it - it has less issues I think |
| 01:51.04 | Patlabor221 | so don't do that |
| 01:51.09 | Chikorita | an wen da timer clock ended after 30minutes.. wee all jus sorta sat around on da field |
| 01:51.11 | michaelhhh | bleh! |
| 01:51.17 | Patlabor221 | if you turned off textures before this change would it do the same thign? |
| 01:51.34 | michaelhhh | not %100 percent sure anymore |
| 01:51.36 | Patlabor221 | or if you want to low or med before this change would it also do the same thing? |
| 01:51.44 | Chikorita | da effects of lag , affect us all .. |
| 01:51.45 | michaelhhh | I think to some degree |
| 01:51.56 | Patlabor221 | med and low are the same as they used to be if you had textures set to off |
| 01:52.09 | Chikorita | my friend once asked mee da diff tween affect an effect so i told her dat ;) |
| 01:52.10 | Patlabor221 | ok well it does do some stuff difrently at those qualitys |
| 01:52.22 | michaelhhh | Perhaps that's it, I could have textures on but medium or low quality |
| 01:52.25 | Patlabor221 | on a hardware system it may not be optimised for those, like stipple |
| 01:52.40 | michaelhhh | annoying isn't it |
| 01:52.45 | Chikorita | Quol: o okies |
| 01:52.46 | Patlabor221 | yes with the current seting you can not have texturs in med or low |
| 01:52.55 | Patlabor221 | but if you can do textures you should be able to do high |
| 01:52.58 | michaelhhh | probably true of lots of old cards |
| 01:53.10 | Patlabor221 | old cards can't do textures |
| 01:53.16 | Patlabor221 | so they run textures off |
| 01:53.23 | Patlabor221 | you can set a config option to overide the seting |
| 01:53.28 | Patlabor221 | and get textures in low if you want |
| 01:54.13 | Patlabor221 | add set qualityForTexture "0" for textures in low |
| 01:54.19 | Patlabor221 | and "1" for medium |
| 01:54.21 | michaelhhh | So effect is a noun and affect is a verb? |
| 01:54.37 | Chikorita | bbl |
| 01:54.42 | michaelhhh | it's not something I'm terribly worried about pat... |
| 01:54.55 | Patlabor221 | then why complain :) |
| 01:55.23 | michaelhhh | I believe it is on some more complicated maps that it might become an issue for me.. but I don't really play on any of those anyway |
| 01:55.45 | Patlabor221 | quality didn't change how buildings were drawn, just how tanks were done |
| 01:55.45 | michaelhhh | I'm not complaining.. just mentioning |
| 01:55.53 | Patlabor221 | lighting changes how buildings are drawn |
| 01:55.59 | Patlabor221 | so maps don't matter |
| 01:56.04 | michaelhhh | But it still makes things run faster |
| 01:56.16 | Patlabor221 | depending on what your viewing |
| 01:56.32 | Patlabor221 | if you have slowdowns transforming tank geo then yeah |
| 01:56.45 | Patlabor221 | if you have slowdowns soring an assload of boxes, then no |
| 01:56.56 | Patlabor221 | quality did not affect that |
| 01:57.13 | michaelhhh | You're a black and white kind of guy, aren't ya.. ? :) |
| 01:57.23 | Patlabor221 | lighting and blending on/off would change how much geo was processed |
| 01:57.23 | MrApathyCream | michaelhhh: what kind of card do you have? |
| 01:57.28 | orchid | can someone join my 1.0 server and tell me if i am nr? |
| 01:57.30 | Patlabor221 | no I just know what the code does |
| 01:57.31 | michaelhhh | TNT Riva 1 :) |
| 01:57.38 | MrApathyCream | orchid: i don't have a 1.0 client |
| 01:57.40 | Patlabor221 | I'm not making asumptions like somone else here is |
| 01:57.45 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: no ifs ands or buts, bots can not be allowed above ground |
| 01:57.49 | Patlabor221 | that's a fill card |
| 01:57.55 | Patlabor221 | on a big map you will get geo bound |
| 01:57.59 | MrApathyCream | michaelhhh: splurge and buyourself a real card |
| 01:58.08 | michaelhhh | I can't really upgrade either, since the cards that fit into my particular slot aren't made for it |
| 01:58.11 | Patlabor221 | so none of those settigns will really speed it up |
| 01:58.12 | orchid | i mean the lates version, mac :) |
| 01:58.27 | Patlabor221 | what is it? a 1/2 height card? |
| 01:58.33 | michaelhhh | at least new cards aren't made for this version of AGP |
| 01:58.43 | Patlabor221 | ahh AGP1 with the odd slot |
| 01:58.44 | michaelhhh | pretty sure it's either AGP 1x or 2x |
| 01:58.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah just get a new mobo |
| 01:59.00 | Blue_Beard | Don't feel bad. I still have an 810 chipset. :) |
| 01:59.05 | Patlabor221 | it's got the slot in the wrong spot dosn't it? |
| 01:59.13 | michaelhhh | Not sure .. but I just know it's old |
| 01:59.18 | Patlabor221 | we have some mobos like that |
| 01:59.28 | michaelhhh | Plays bzflag fine for the vast majority of maps |
| 01:59.41 | Patlabor221 | if the mobo slot dosn't have a slot pin then you can put any AGP card in there |
| 01:59.54 | MrApathyCream | ok orchid |
| 02:00.12 | michaelhhh | I figure as bzflag gradually slows down from feature creep I will have to upgrade |
| 02:00.12 | Patlabor221 | well I am working on a better sorting algo for box visibiliy, it will speed up large maps |
| 02:00.37 | Patlabor221 | well that's what I'm trying to say, it's not the graphics that slow you down |
| 02:00.44 | Patlabor221 | it's the geometry |
| 02:00.52 | michaelhhh | I knew about that bit of it |
| 02:01.11 | michaelhhh | Pretty sure I could get some fps out of turning the quality down |
| 02:01.32 | Patlabor221 | maybe 1 or 2 |
| 02:01.37 | michaelhhh | not quite 100% sure |
| 02:01.43 | Patlabor221 | but not a masive increase |
| 02:02.06 | michaelhhh | texturing mode *does* make a difference though |
| 02:02.06 | Patlabor221 | lighing off would be your big one, then it would not do the dynamic tesilation and would make less geo when shots go by |
| 02:02.24 | Patlabor221 | yes it does add some time to the rendering loop |
| 02:02.37 | Patlabor221 | tho I am also gonna change it so that it takes a LOT less time |
| 02:02.54 | Patlabor221 | BZ does no material sorting now |
| 02:02.54 | Patlabor221 | it really needs to |
| 02:03.05 | Patlabor221 | will speed up binds on old cards like yours a lot |
| 02:03.27 | michaelhhh | It's not as if I'm that attached to my old video card.. |
| 02:03.45 | Patlabor221 | I know but it will also speed up binds on the new cards :) |
| 02:03.52 | michaelhhh | just not worth investing $500 in a new MB/cpu/ram/video card |
| 02:03.54 | Patlabor221 | so I'm thinking Hey it's a good thing |
| 02:04.00 | Patlabor221 | what CPU you have? |
| 02:04.08 | michaelhhh | p300a |
| 02:04.13 | michaelhhh | @450 |
| 02:04.14 | michaelhhh | :) |
| 02:04.21 | michaelhhh | celery |
| 02:04.24 | Patlabor221 | and for that price I can get you a new P4 3 giger with the stuff |
| 02:04.25 | Patlabor221 | just get a mobo with a proper slot |
| 02:04.33 | Patlabor221 | should be like $35 |
| 02:04.50 | Patlabor221 | then a GF2MX |
| 02:04.50 | Patlabor221 | and your good |
| 02:04.50 | Patlabor221 | thy are like $30 |
| 02:04.51 | michaelhhh | that's a lot of work for no real improvement in the puter |
| 02:04.53 | michaelhhh | :) |
| 02:05.06 | Patlabor221 | it'll get you hardware T&L |
| 02:05.08 | Patlabor221 | thats a lot |
| 02:05.27 | Patlabor221 | or blow 200 and get a giger durron or somethiung |
| 02:05.27 | michaelhhh | it's a thought I suppose |
| 02:05.34 | Patlabor221 | computers are cheap |
| 02:05.41 | michaelhhh | have to do memory as well though |
| 02:05.57 | michaelhhh | which I suppose isn't too much money |
| 02:06.00 | Patlabor221 | I can get a 3 gig P4 with dual channel DDR, a GF FX and a dvd burner for like $700 |
| 02:07.02 | Patlabor221 | if you just get a new mobo, use your old ram |
| 02:07.02 | Patlabor221 | you only get new ram if you move to a mobo/cpu that dosn't support your old ram |
| 02:07.02 | michaelhhh | this PC100/133 Sdram :) |
| 02:07.02 | Patlabor221 | you just need a non sucky P3 mobo |
| 02:07.02 | Patlabor221 | ok that's all a celly can take |
| 02:07.05 | Patlabor221 | so just get a non crap mobo |
| 02:07.16 | Patlabor221 | how much of it you have? |
| 02:07.16 | michaelhhh | Hey this is a Asus p2b :) |
| 02:07.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's a BX |
| 02:07.31 | Patlabor221 | get a newer one |
| 02:07.36 | michaelhhh | 384 |
| 02:07.38 | Patlabor221 | with a good sot |
| 02:07.50 | Patlabor221 | you do know that 512 megs of DDR is like less then $50 |
| 02:08.02 | michaelhhh | ah so |
| 02:08.23 | michaelhhh | is that the Black and Yellow label ram? :) |
| 02:08.31 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 02:08.42 | michaelhhh | You know like in the grocery store |
| 02:08.43 | Patlabor221 | there are various brands of DDR |
| 02:08.44 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 02:08.52 | Patlabor221 | it's generic stuff sure |
| 02:08.54 | Patlabor221 | but it works |
| 02:09.14 | Patlabor221 | verify your AGP slot first tho |
| 02:09.22 | Patlabor221 | you can probably just get a little MX and be done |
| 02:09.36 | learner | eek! |
| 02:09.38 | learner | World.cxx:124: failed assertion `source >= 0 && source < (int)(2 * teleporters.size())' |
| 02:10.09 | michaelhhh | those 200 pin SODimms are cool looking |
| 02:10.26 | michaelhhh | 512 MB in such a tiny space |
| 02:10.40 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 02:11.34 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (bzflag.cxx menus.cxx): |
| 02:11.34 | CIA-1 | remove commented code |
| 02:11.35 | CIA-1 | add bzdb items for impending removal of dither and smothing options. |
| 02:11.54 | michaelhhh | I see a gig is like 4 x expensive as 512 mb |
| 02:12.59 | scanline | where are you looking? |
| 02:13.03 | Patlabor221 | thats why you just get 2 512s |
| 02:13.56 | michaelhhh | I'm looking at crucial.com -- at the sodimms |
| 02:14.59 | michaelhhh | same people that sent me a 256 mb module for my p2b that actually worked |
| 02:15.21 | Patlabor221 | they make good ram |
| 02:15.24 | Patlabor221 | tho you pay for it |
| 02:15.27 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/roof.png: change to a texture more similar to the old texture |
| 02:18.16 | Patlabor221 | Time to go play some Prince Of Persia :) |
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| 02:20.04 | mauddib | hello? |
| 02:20.16 | mauddib | there is a problem |
| 02:20.24 | Blue_Beard | Isn't there always? :) |
| 02:20.25 | learner | fear is the mind killer |
| 02:20.48 | mauddib | HoW beat us today with 1 point, not 13-0 |
| 02:20.55 | mauddib | Anihilation team |
| 02:22.02 | mauddib | hello? |
| 02:22.08 | Blue_Beard | Yes? |
| 02:22.16 | mauddib | is chestal in here? |
| 02:22.24 | mauddib | at the moment |
| 02:22.29 | Blue_Beard | I think he's asleep at the moment. |
| 02:22.32 | mauddib | ok |
| 02:22.34 | mauddib | thanks |
| 02:22.36 | learner | send him a memo |
| 02:22.40 | mauddib | how? |
| 02:22.46 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.55 | Blue_Beard | You mean <message> ;) |
| 02:23.12 | learner | nah, message was my message :) |
| 02:23.38 | Blue_Beard | Well...umm.. Message, you too! |
| 02:23.40 | Blue_Beard | Err. :) |
| 02:23.40 | learner | well okay then pffft |
| 02:24.01 | Blue_Beard | I don't think he liked us, learner. :) |
| 02:25.14 | learner | he can bite my shiney metal *cough* |
| 02:25.28 | Blue_Beard | Spoon. |
| 02:25.58 | Blue_Beard | Better yet.. SPORK! The embodiment of evil. |
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| 02:32.24 | captain_proton | whee, its as if navi actually has RAM now |
| 02:33.03 | scanlime | grr.. /me emerges docutils on navi |
| 02:34.09 | captain_proton | goddamnit |
| 02:34.23 | captain_proton | i forgot that i had a non-screened transcode about 10m away from completion on sasami |
| 02:34.34 | scanlime | =( |
| 02:35.08 | michaelhhh | I bet Patl's changes will have a throng of old video card people up in arms.. |
| 02:35.18 | michaelhhh | not myself personally |
| 02:35.29 | scanlime | michaelhhh: have you been listening to anything he's been saying about the different quality settings? |
| 02:35.35 | michaelhhh | yes |
| 02:35.46 | michaelhhh | But it seems that each old card has different optimum settings |
| 02:36.47 | michaelhhh | I suppose the bigee is the box / viewable area thingee (whatsitamacallit) |
| 02:37.10 | scanlime | michaelhhh: maybe you should do some research... |
| 02:37.10 | michaelhhh | for overall performance |
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| 02:37.54 | michaelhhh | I'm not saying it's wrong for me.. I just wonder how many people will complain |
| 02:38.47 | scanlime | nobody that understands the issues involved probably |
| 02:39.04 | michaelhhh | no they just flick the settings on or off and see if it looks better or runs faster |
| 02:40.11 | michaelhhh | so obviously every setting requires X boolean checks for rendering cycle and slows it down |
| 02:40.57 | michaelhhh | or something like that at any rate |
| 02:42.40 | michaelhhh | Is pat our only GL Guru? |
| 02:42.49 | michaelhhh | Seems like it |
| 02:42.55 | michaelhhh | lol |
| 02:43.12 | scanlime | a few extra branches are never going to be noticed.. if you're worried about that, try a profiler sometime |
| 02:43.34 | michaelhhh | well that seems to be what patl talks about... |
| 02:43.52 | captain_proton | scanline: its not a few |
| 02:43.58 | scanline | I think that's more of a code ugliness concern than a speed concern... |
| 02:43.59 | captain_proton | it does several per object per frame |
| 02:44.07 | captain_proton | plus its fugly |
| 02:44.22 | scanline | ok, I should rephrase... |
| 02:44.37 | scanline | if it's implemented properly, testing for different quality levels in the rendering loop will never be noticed |
| 02:44.52 | scanline | as it is now, it might be a small penalty, but it's still really tiny compared to problems like texture binding |
| 02:44.55 | michaelhhh | I'm not claiming to be the expert either btw |
| 02:45.01 | captain_proton | scanline: indeed |
| 02:45.36 | michaelhhh | texture binding... explain this to a gl newbie |
| 02:45.44 | scanline | michaelhhh: speculation about performance problems is a very bad thing, because unless you understand a system very well you probably don't know where the CPU/GPU is spending the most time |
| 02:46.01 | captain_proton | michaelhhh: you have to "bind" a texture in order to draw it |
| 02:46.11 | scanline | michaelhhh: -always- do profiling of some sort before claiming that thins thing or the other is a performance problem, because it's usually not what you expect |
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| 02:46.31 | captain_proton | base opengl 1.1 only specifies a single texture unit, so you have to load the current texture into that unit before drawing with it |
| 02:47.05 | scanline | 1.1? |
| 02:47.07 | captain_proton | unfortunately, this is an expensive operation with current GL implementations |
| 02:47.39 | captain_proton | scanline: right now we're 1.1 compliant |
| 02:47.53 | michaelhhh | So the problem is keeping track of which texture goes with whatever we're drawing? |
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| 02:48.07 | captain_proton | michaelhhh: well - if you sorted the textures, you could only do one bind per texture per frame |
| 02:48.10 | scanline | captain_proton: just surprised.. I thought 1.1 included texture binding |
| 02:48.19 | captain_proton | instead of n binds per object per frame |
| 02:48.23 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/BUGS: assertion reached |
| 02:48.27 | captain_proton | scanline: it does, just only 1 texture unit |
| 02:48.39 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/BUGS: remove MQ/CB bug item cus it's fixed now |
| 02:48.42 | michaelhhh | scanline : I was only repeating was patl has said in the past |
| 02:48.43 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 02:49.05 | scanline | michaelhhh: which? |
| 02:49.18 | michaelhhh | state checking in the rendering loop |
| 02:49.39 | michaelhhh | that's obviously part of what is trying to do right now |
| 02:49.43 | michaelhhh | simplify it |
| 02:50.05 | michaelhhh | I make no claims as to what it will actually accompllish |
| 02:53.06 | michaelhhh | So glBindTexture is available in 1.1 but we do or don't use it? |
| 02:53.21 | captain_proton | you have to use glBindTexture to use textures |
| 02:53.27 | michaelhhh | doh |
| 02:53.38 | captain_proton | its just that we need to -sort- by textures to reduce the number of calls to it |
| 02:54.25 | captain_proton | so, for example, we'd draw all the box sides, then all the box tops, instead of side, top, side, top side, top, ... |
| 02:54.38 | michaelhhh | oooooooh |
| 02:54.48 | michaelhhh | So you keep drawing with the same texture and then the next etc.. |
| 02:55.12 | michaelhhh | so you minimize the texture changes.. |
| 02:55.23 | captain_proton | exactly |
| 02:55.32 | michaelhhh | But then you'd have to draw parts of stuff instead of stuff wouldn't you? |
| 02:55.33 | captain_proton | this would provide a giant speed boost |
| 02:55.47 | michaelhhh | ooohhhh icky |
| 02:55.57 | michaelhhh | well |
| 02:56.19 | captain_proton | not icky if done right |
| 02:57.43 | michaelhhh | How do you draw just the side of a box and come back to it and make it box? |
| 02:58.09 | michaelhhh | push matrix? |
| 02:58.24 | bryjen | its not like the sides going to fall down cause you didn't tack on the lid.... |
| 02:58.27 | captain_proton | well - its almost exactly the same as we do now |
| 02:58.45 | scanline | bryjen: :) |
| 02:58.45 | captain_proton | its just we need a way to create a list of the individual primitives and sort it |
| 02:58.57 | michaelhhh | but if you draw 8 sides does it make it a box? |
| 02:59.03 | michaelhhh | in opengl? |
| 02:59.15 | captain_proton | yeah, that's now its done already |
| 02:59.17 | michaelhhh | 6 |
| 02:59.22 | captain_proton | its actually 12 triangles |
| 02:59.34 | bryjen | you probly can't see them all at once too... |
| 02:59.50 | captain_proton | nope |
| 02:59.58 | captain_proton | gl does backface culling, so it only fills at most 6 of those tris |
| 03:00.31 | michaelhhh | So if I draw a side of box, draw another side of another box and top back and do the tops, it will still think of both of them as real boxes? |
| 03:00.44 | captain_proton | define real box |
| 03:00.54 | michaelhhh | that you can't see through the edges? |
| 03:01.00 | bryjen | have you even watched a plotter work? the pin carriage zips all over drawing peices of different stuff. the picture isn't apparent till its done. |
| 03:01.50 | scanline | michaelhhh: OpenGL is very careful about how it defines the triangle fill algorithm, so if you have two adjacent triangles with two shared vertices, you can never see through that edge |
| 03:01.52 | michaelhhh | So at any rate you'd be drawing triangles or quads, not strips |
| 03:02.03 | michaelhhh | oops |
| 03:02.07 | michaelhhh | never mind me |
| 03:02.31 | captain_proton | the actual drawing would work in exactly the same way it does now |
| 03:02.37 | captain_proton | could still use tristrips for the box sides, for instance |
| 03:02.42 | captain_proton | it'd just go in a different order than usual |
| 03:02.58 | michaelhhh | yes but you wouldn't try to draw the top and side at the same time |
| 03:03.07 | scanline | aside from optimization, drawing order really doesn't matter if everything's opaque |
| 03:03.31 | captain_proton | you never actually draw the top and the side at the "same time" - they have to be separate because the textures are different |
| 03:03.54 | captain_proton | but there's no reason that you can't draw the top and the side at wildly different times, rather than right next to each other |
| 03:05.06 | MrApathyCream | hey fellas, anyone know where the launch positioning code is for flags? |
| 03:05.18 | MrApathyCream | (actually the updates) |
| 03:06.27 | MrApathyCream | anyone, beuhler? |
| 03:06.56 | michaelhhh | server? |
| 03:07.09 | michaelhhh | har har |
| 03:07.48 | MrApathyCream | but the server can't send updates through the whole flight path |
| 03:07.59 | MrApathyCream | it just sends launch pos, and target |
| 03:08.45 | michaelhhh | void resetFlag(int flagIndex) |
| 03:09.05 | michaelhhh | 2544 bzfs.cxx |
| 03:09.35 | michaelhhh | I guess |
| 03:09.54 | MrApathyCream | michaelhhh: that sets the initial vars, but the client must update frame by frame the flight path |
| 03:10.17 | michaelhhh | that's what you are looking for? |
| 03:11.34 | michaelhhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.34 | michaelhhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.48 | michaelhhh | playing.cxx 5386 |
| 03:12.05 | michaelhhh | calls world->initFlag(int(flag)); |
| 03:12.23 | michaelhhh | I'm pretty flag is updated in FlagNode or some such thing |
| 03:12.24 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 03:12.25 | michaelhhh | FlagSceneNode |
| 03:12.30 | MrApathyCream | the pos? |
| 03:12.38 | michaelhhh | hmmm |
| 03:12.50 | MrApathyCream | i want to know where the flag pos is updated as it flies in air |
| 03:18.13 | michaelhhh | voidWorld::updateFlag(int index, float dt) |
| 03:18.25 | michaelhhh | 475 World.cxx |
| 03:18.52 | michaelhhh | looks like several variables might start in the server |
| 03:20.07 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 03:20.10 | MrApathyCream | tanks |
| 03:23.10 | MrApathyCream | ah i see |
| 03:23.12 | MrApathyCream | hmmmm |
| 03:26.36 | michaelhhh | there's also msgflagupdate or some such thing and the pack/unpack methods of Flag I believe |
| 03:27.57 | MrApathyCream | grrr |
| 03:28.08 | MrApathyCream | the client has a flag array in World |
| 03:28.20 | MrApathyCream | the first n are always fixed |
| 03:31.42 | MrApathyCream | ah Flag::unpack |
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| 03:32.01 | michaelhhh | pack and upack is the way of god :) |
| 03:32.13 | bryjen | World.cxx:949 ? |
| 03:32.36 | bryjen | there abouts |
| 03:32.44 | bryjen | world->flagNodes = new FlagSceneNode*[world->maxFlags] |
| 03:32.55 | bryjen | whoops. maybe not |
| 03:34.16 | bryjen | wrong line, how 'bout |
| 03:34.24 | bryjen | world->flags = new Flag[world->maxFlags]; |
| 03:34.34 | bryjen | same vicinity |
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| 03:35.51 | creeperz | could someone help me out really fast? |
| 03:36.11 | creeperz | when i insert a CD, musicmatch jukebox automatically launches and plays |
| 03:36.16 | creeperz | how do i shut it off? |
| 03:36.56 | bryjen | is it a preference in that application, start playing on insert? |
| 03:37.05 | creeperz | i didnt see any |
| 03:37.09 | bryjen | or maybe the auto-play feature in Windows |
| 03:37.22 | creeperz | thats what i figured :-/ |
| 03:37.29 | creeperz | no idea where to find it |
| 03:37.33 | MrApathyCream | this is really confusing |
| 03:37.43 | MrApathyCream | There's a flags array, of all flags |
| 03:37.46 | MrApathyCream | on client. |
| 03:37.54 | MrApathyCream | inside this is a flag type pointer |
| 03:38.02 | MrApathyCream | different flags, share the same type |
| 03:38.06 | MrApathyCream | which is ok |
| 03:38.10 | bryjen | creeperz: i'd start in the control panel. multimedia or some such |
| 03:38.11 | MrApathyCream | then each has it's own position |
| 03:38.16 | learner | yes.. nasty mess |
| 03:38.30 | MrApathyCream | but for somereason, i must be confusing flags as i grab the position of another flag |
| 03:40.03 | bryjen | or there might be an association for the "file" type audio cd, in explorer's folder preferences... |
| 03:41.26 | learner | I could not figure out when/where those flagdesc objects actually exist either |
| 03:41.36 | MrApathyCream | the flagdescs exists always |
| 03:41.39 | learner | there are two static maps in there |
| 03:41.49 | MrApathyCream | as singletons |
| 03:42.01 | learner | if I directly set them, and then query the value, it's not set |
| 03:42.51 | creeperz | ok, shut off |
| 03:42.52 | creeperz | thanks |
| 03:43.34 | creeperz | mr. winamp is my friend |
| 03:50.16 | MrApathyCream | so close to multiple team flags per team... grrr |
| 03:51.18 | Quol | did 1.10.4 come out?? cvs changelog has 1.10.4 marked on it... |
| 03:52.06 | learner | not yet |
| 03:52.34 | Quol | ahh - so it's just in the changelog as 1.10.4 then... |
| 03:52.50 | learner | yea, that's just a list of what 1.10.4 will have |
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| 03:53.02 | learner | stuff already done |
| 03:53.18 | learner | there are two bugs pending -- then we'll be able to release |
| 03:53.24 | Quol | anyway to just compile bzfs on linux - not the whole darn thing? |
| 03:54.08 | learner | yea, compile the src/ directories individually |
| 03:54.14 | captain_proton | ./configure --disable-client |
| 03:54.35 | Quol | thanks |
| 03:54.37 | learner | or that too :) |
| 03:54.40 | learner | pffft |
| 03:54.55 | learner | and --disable-bzadmin |
| 03:55.16 | Quol | you guys seen this: |
| 03:55.17 | Quol | configure: creating ./config.status |
| 03:55.17 | Quol | config.status: creating bzflag.spec |
| 03:55.17 | Quol | .infig.status: error: cannot find input file: bzflag.spec |
| 03:55.40 | Quol | I did the autogen.sh stuff - and now I get taht |
| 03:56.23 | Quol | 1.10.2 compiled just fine though... |
| 03:58.43 | MrApathyCream | they work just fine, but when i drop them they always go back to base (which is where the other ones are) |
| 03:58.44 | Blue_Beard | m33p |
| 03:58.56 | MrApathyCream | i'm assuming that the one i drop gets it's location stuff updated by the other ones |
| 03:59.45 | Quol | you wokring on something MAC - or you just having fun? |
| 04:00.23 | MrApathyCream | trying to allow multiple team flags per team |
| 04:00.32 | MrApathyCream | cool when i drop over a pyr it goes to cener |
| 04:00.34 | MrApathyCream | center |
| 04:00.39 | MrApathyCream | just normal drop is foobared |
| 04:00.51 | Blue_Beard | :) |
| 04:01.07 | MrApathyCream | thats got to mean the problem is on the server |
| 04:01.13 | MrApathyCream | one would think |
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| 04:02.36 | Quol | what's --disable-snapping do? |
| 04:02.46 | m0nkey_poo | hmm |
| 04:02.52 | Blue_Beard | :P |
| 04:03.13 | Quol | it's the beard - good disguise |
| 04:03.34 | Blue_Beard | :P :) |
| 04:03.34 | captain_proton | Quol: turns off screenshotting |
| 04:03.52 | Quol | thanks captain_proton :) |
| 04:03.56 | captain_proton | in the older code, screenshotting required a special configuration option to turn on |
| 04:04.13 | captain_proton | and for some reason, riker felt that people should be able to configure out that tiny tiny piece of code when we moved to the autoconf stuff |
| 04:05.29 | MrApathyCream | w00t! |
| 04:05.32 | MrApathyCream | fixed it |
| 04:05.45 | learner | w00t |
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| 04:10.47 | Blue_Beard | Hi tim. :) |
| 04:11.25 | Blue_Beard | So an opposing team has to capture more than one flag in order to complete a CTF? That'd be kinda fun. |
| 04:11.54 | Blue_Beard | It'd certainly increase the length and challenge of CTF games. |
| 04:12.02 | bryjen | so many sciene-gone-mad stories have the "too busy proving they could to think if they should" theme |
| 04:12.35 | MrApathyCream | Blue_Beard: well, no |
| 04:12.36 | bryjen | ~spell sciene |
| 04:12.40 | | possible spellings for sciene: scene Seine seine science cine sine Siena scion seiner sinew seen singe |
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| 04:12.40 | MrApathyCream | one point per flag |
| 04:12.46 | MrApathyCream | but if 3 flags are going three different ways :) |
| 04:12.55 | MrApathyCream | but it's just an option, default is 1 of course |
| 04:12.56 | Blue_Beard | My idea seemed better. ;) |
| 04:12.58 | Blue_Beard | Hehehe. |
| 04:13.41 | bryjen | after the first one is captured, you're foobar'ed if someones already made off with another |
| 04:14.07 | Blue_Beard | True. |
| 04:14.23 | bryjen | unless you don't blow up on capture -- just lose a point |
| 04:15.35 | bryjen | gah. no no no. then there'd be less incentive for people to pay attention to the team flags. |
| 04:16.45 | bryjen | or maybe it'd be another reason remove the individual scores from the screen in CTF mode. |
| 04:18.42 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:18.45 | MrApathyCream | agreed |
| 04:19.27 | Blue_Beard | That would be pretty cool. It'd make everyone concentrate solely on CTF. |
| 04:20.27 | Quol | am I missing something?? I keep getting ".infig.status: error: cannot find input file: bzflag.spec" no matter how I run configure - after I run all the autogen stuff?? |
| 04:24.43 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): allow multiple team flags per team thru -c 5 |
| 04:25.06 | bryjen | Quol: do you have a bzflag.spec or bzflag.spec.in in the top dir ? |
| 04:25.46 | Quol | hold on - I am starting from scratch - just rm -rf the whole thing... |
| 04:26.03 | bryjen | ~nuke Quol source dir |
| 04:26.07 | | nukes Quol source dir with a single large nuke |
| 04:26.16 | bryjen | bam! |
| 04:26.37 | Quol | heh |
| 04:26.49 | bryjen | eh. Quol's bzflag source dir. Not the dir with the source for Qoul. ;) |
| 04:27.01 | TimRiker | why not? |
| 04:27.43 | Quol | bryjen: looks like the CVS tree has one in there...I didn't see that - should I blow it away? |
| 04:27.45 | bryjen | ./configure TimRiker --not-to-ask-silly-questions |
| 04:28.13 | bryjen | subsurface bots? |
| 04:28.22 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: they cheat big time, if allowed above ground |
| 04:28.28 | MrApathyCream | --currently-- |
| 04:28.44 | MrApathyCream | altho tupone just checked something in |
| 04:28.50 | Blue_Beard | What exactly do you mean "above ground?" |
| 04:29.00 | MrApathyCream | z > 0 |
| 04:29.00 | Blue_Beard | As in they can't jump? |
| 04:29.02 | bryjen | Qoul: i was wondering if that's what was missing. the .in file maybe used to generate it |
| 04:29.12 | MrApathyCream | if they spawn on a base that's above ground they fall thru |
| 04:29.16 | MrApathyCream | perhaps into a building |
| 04:29.23 | MrApathyCream | they have no idea about z collision checking |
| 04:29.28 | Blue_Beard | Oh. Ic Ic. |
| 04:29.30 | bryjen | and there they can shoot out at you |
| 04:29.31 | TimRiker | dither ans smooth still going to be settable as db items? |
| 04:29.34 | MrApathyCream | but i saw tupone might have addressed it |
| 04:30.03 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: dunno, i would assume so |
| 04:30.05 | TimRiker | I thought he did, but then I see we are back to not allowing it. |
| 04:30.23 | MrApathyCream | i'll look in a second, and remove, if it's fixed |
| 04:31.48 | bryjen | eep. selecting the Options menu segfault and dumps core :( |
| 04:32.44 | MrApathyCream | eep |
| 04:33.27 | bryjen | had Pat already started "simplifing" it? |
| 04:33.27 | TimRiker | "allow multiple team flags per team thru -c 5" ??? what madness is this? |
| 04:33.27 | bryjen | MAC madness |
| 04:35.05 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: explain? |
| 04:35.15 | MrApathyCream | multiple team flags per team as an option |
| 04:35.17 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs_conf.html: add conf options |
| 04:35.41 | MrApathyCream | to try and strenghten the ctf concept |
| 04:35.47 | MrApathyCream | too much ffa action on ctf servers |
| 04:35.49 | TimRiker | or weaken... |
| 04:36.29 | TimRiker | what happens with the direction indicator? now you have multiples? |
| 04:36.48 | MrApathyCream | finds first at present |
| 04:37.36 | MrApathyCream | awwl |
| 04:37.44 | TimRiker | better to have an option to get a point for each player killed on capture, no? |
| 04:37.58 | TimRiker | ~dict awwl |
| 04:38.31 | Blue_Beard | Better to have two or three flags per team... and require all of the flags to be carried into an enemy base in order for a capture to be completed. :) |
| 04:38.33 | MrApathyCream | well, really player scores should be removed, imo |
| 04:38.39 | Blue_Beard | That would make an awesome option for CTF. |
| 04:39.06 | bryjen | Team point only. |
| 04:39.21 | TimRiker | team point only makes sense to me. |
| 04:39.33 | MrApathyCream | bryjen: heh |
| 04:39.36 | TimRiker | multiple flags per team does not. |
| 04:39.47 | learner | perhaps as a server/map option |
| 04:39.58 | MrApathyCream | specially larger worlds |
| 04:40.13 | TimRiker | team point only with a requirement to have your team and the capturing team on your base in order to do the kill would be interesting. |
| 04:40.47 | bryjen | "your team and the capturing team" flag? |
| 04:40.52 | learner | yes, some other games have that -- can only capture the flag if your flag is on your base |
| 04:40.57 | TimRiker | yes. both flags. |
| 04:41.21 | bryjen | or in MAC's case, all dem flags ;) |
| 04:41.27 | TimRiker | then change the player scores to be flag captures. |
| 04:41.38 | MrApathyCream | that woudl be good |
| 04:41.43 | MrApathyCream | score == flag capture |
| 04:41.48 | TimRiker | and when a player leaves, delete his score from the team score. |
| 04:42.20 | MrApathyCream | of course 10-3 would mean, you captured 10 and you should have prevented 3 :) |
| 04:42.29 | MrApathyCream | however the server determined it :) |
| 04:42.41 | bryjen | captures by and individual showing up as that individual score? |
| 04:42.53 | MrApathyCream | bryjen: couldn't reproduce crash in options menu |
| 04:43.07 | bryjen | MrApathyCream: Ok. trying a clean rebuild |
| 04:43.11 | TimRiker | bryjen: yes. and team score (well wins) would then be the total of the player scores |
| 04:44.28 | bryjen | hmm. i was thinking just remove the individual scores area and leave the current team score thing. |
| 04:44.44 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: well, I'm worried about the multiple team flag option causing grief. I don't like the idea. |
| 04:45.09 | TimRiker | anyone else have thoughts on multiple flags per team? sounds like bryjen likes it, yes? |
| 04:45.17 | bryjen | Not really |
| 04:45.21 | MrApathyCream | Well seems pretty safe to me, but i'll revert if yu like |
| 04:46.10 | TimRiker | bryjen: changing player scores to reflect captures sounds more interesting, no? then there is some competition between players on the same team and there is a down side to being the camper. |
| 04:46.45 | DTRemenak | no reward for defense tho |
| 04:46.51 | MrApathyCream | well that has a client component |
| 04:46.53 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: how's this.... either add multiple beacon support and deal with any other issues I can't think of, or revert it. ;-) |
| 04:46.59 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 04:47.10 | bryjen | see above comment about 3 diff enemy team members each grabbing one of my flags and running 3 diff dirs to their bases. if one of them makes it, i'm reset to base waay away from the next guy who's almost home |
| 04:47.24 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: true. don't want everyone defending now do we? ;-) but someone will have to or the team score drops. |
| 04:47.26 | bryjen | with my other flag |
| 04:47.30 | MrApathyCream | there's alot of 3rd party killing of team holders tho |
| 04:47.53 | TimRiker | bryjen: agreed. too easy to lock up a game once you get flag control. |
| 04:47.56 | DTRemenak | perhaps points for killing flag carriers? |
| 04:48.00 | Blue_Beard | If a team worked together.. they could keep you perpetually base spawning.. :) |
| 04:48.50 | bryjen | points for killing someone carring _any_ flag, or just mine? |
| 04:49.03 | bryjen | well, any _team_ flag |
| 04:49.08 | DTRemenak | just yours, I would think |
| 04:49.10 | TimRiker | what about you get a point for a flag capture and loose one if you get hit with the flag. |
| 04:49.56 | DTRemenak | because if you kill someone carrying someone else's team flag you can grab it and score with it |
| 04:50.11 | bryjen | there needs to be a penalty for ignoring the team flags and playing FFA. that's the problem your tring to solve, right MrApathyCream ? |
| 04:50.17 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: hmm. true. |
| 04:50.38 | MrApathyCream | yes bryjen |
| 04:51.47 | bryjen | just removing the individual's kills scores lessens 3rd party's motive to kill you as you're trying to capture the FFA players flag |
| 04:52.13 | bryjen | or maybe not. they could be killing you to get the flag. |
| 04:52.30 | bryjen | maybe itd reduce the motive to kill random people tho... |
| 04:52.53 | bryjen | if the _only_ way you score + is by CTFing |
| 04:53.13 | MrApathyCream | anyone remember what that beacon is called? |
| 04:53.24 | DTRemenak | if the only way you score is by CTFing, there's no motivation to get your own flag back to base, and the team score suffers |
| 04:53.25 | bryjen | huh? |
| 04:53.41 | Nidhoggr | anyone remember when in 1.8 they were playing with planting a bullet like a mine? |
| 04:53.47 | DTRemenak | and it turns into a madhouse |
| 04:53.51 | bryjen | still lose point by having you flag captured. and get reset to base. |
| 04:54.13 | MrApathyCream | ah markerheading |
| 04:54.13 | Nidhoggr | I just had that happen to me on dragon.org. someone exploded and their bullet stayed in one spot, until I drove into it minutes later. |
| 04:54.15 | DTRemenak | ya, but the people who FFA now aren't going to realize that :P |
| 04:54.18 | MrApathyCream | heh, it already draws all the markers |
| 04:55.38 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: that can be done by turning shotspeed down. the server should be checking the players shot to make sure they're legit tho.. |
| 04:55.54 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 04:55.58 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: yeah? cool. |
| 04:55.58 | Nidhoggr | so the guy was cheating? |
| 04:56.25 | MrApathyCream | the only thing is, if you are carrying one of your team flags, it doesn't show any of them |
| 04:56.32 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: there's already an anti-cheat check for that. not sure how they'd get around it. maybe a bug |
| 04:56.45 | MrApathyCream | i could change that tho, altho if you are carrying one, i suppose you don't really need to know |
| 04:56.52 | Nidhoggr | hrm. wierd. never saw it before execpt when they were testing the mine thing. |
| 04:57.10 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: yes you do. ex: if someone else has one of yours |
| 04:57.17 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 04:57.21 | MrApathyCream | i'll fix |
| 04:58.28 | bryjen | ratz. still barfing on the Options menu. Anon CVS tho. maybe its not consistent. |
| 05:01.47 | MrApathyCream | perhaps |
| 05:01.54 | MrApathyCream | got a stack trace? |
| 05:01.55 | MrApathyCream | i couldn't reproduce |
| 05:02.39 | bryjen | linux here. your 'doze |
| 05:02.46 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:02.47 | DTRemenak | anoncvs does funny things in options menu (W32VC5), e.g. most options do not stick, but does not crash |
| 05:03.05 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: draw all team flag marker headings, even if you're carrying one |
| 05:03.20 | DTRemenak | but it is windows, so it's probably just corrupting some OS memory somewhere :) |
| 05:03.54 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: don't draw the one you are carrying though, right? so if there is only one, the beacon leaves. |
| 05:03.58 | MrApathyCream | right |
| 05:04.06 | MrApathyCream | thats what it does now |
| 05:04.10 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 05:06.48 | MrApathyCream | it appears tanks still fall thru things |
| 05:07.10 | MrApathyCream | er, robot tanks.... |
| 05:08.30 | MrApathyCream | DTRemenak: VC5? eek |
| 05:08.46 | DTRemenak | hey, it's what I have :P |
| 05:08.52 | DTRemenak | under windows |
| 05:08.53 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:09.09 | DTRemenak | it ain't like linux where compilers are free :) |
| 05:09.11 | MrApathyCream | hey Nidhoggr, were you the one who put together the bzfs.conf sample file? |
| 05:09.18 | MrApathyCream | there's gcc for win |
| 05:09.26 | MrApathyCream | and it appears someone actually got it running |
| 05:09.37 | DTRemenak | I tried too, without luck |
| 05:09.57 | DTRemenak | there's a limitation on the length of commandlines in pre-W2k |
| 05:10.11 | DTRemenak | and the linker goes over it |
| 05:10.42 | bryjen | MrApathyCream: still want a backtrace? |
| 05:11.40 | MrApathyCream | bryjen: please |
| 05:11.51 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6s: doc clo changes |
| 05:12.02 | bryjen | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 05:12.03 | bryjen | 0x402862d7 in std::string::_Rep::_M_grab(std::allocator<char> const&, std::allocator<char> const&) () |
| 05:12.05 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.07 | bryjen | (gdb) bt |
| 05:12.09 | bryjen | #0 0x402862d7 in std::string::_Rep::_M_grab(std::allocator<char> const&, std::allocator<char> const&) () |
| 05:12.10 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.12 | bryjen | #1 0x4028641c in std::string::string(std::string const&) () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 |
| 05:12.13 | bryjen | #2 0x080f0c46 in Bundle::getLocalString(std::string const&) const () |
| 05:12.17 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:12.19 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:12.31 | MrApathyCream | what string is it localizing? one more frame? |
| 05:13.02 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: would 4dos or similar fix the cmdlength limit? |
| 05:13.03 | bryjen | that's what i got |
| 05:13.11 | DTRemenak | hm, hadn't thought of that |
| 05:13.14 | MrApathyCream | and no more, bummer |
| 05:13.29 | DTRemenak | I tried compiling on my copy of cygwin too |
| 05:13.34 | MrApathyCream | probably patlabor has fixed that |
| 05:13.41 | bryjen | maybe a way to get more. i'm not familiar with using the debbuger |
| 05:13.46 | DTRemenak | exception in perl crashed the whole system |
| 05:14.16 | DTRemenak | 'course, since I'm on dialup I'm not known to update cygwin... |
| 05:14.29 | DTRemenak | but it was rather discouraging |
| 05:15.01 | DTRemenak | so, I just make sure I can keep it compiling on VC5 :) |
| 05:15.22 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/BUGS: clarify filter problem.. localization can wait. |
| 05:16.34 | DTRemenak | oh, nuts...bzfs doesn't compile anymore :( |
| 05:16.39 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 05:16.45 | MrApathyCream | whatca gettin? |
| 05:17.11 | DTRemenak | C:\Program Files\DevStudio\VC\INCLUDE\vector(103) : error C2065: 'TeamBase' : undeclared identifier |
| 05:17.13 | MrApathyCream | VC6 approved |
| 05:17.15 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:17.22 | MrApathyCream | you need to add TeamBase.cxx to the bzfs project |
| 05:17.29 | DTRemenak | hmph |
| 05:17.32 | MrApathyCream | er, TeamBases.cxx |
| 05:17.40 | DTRemenak | already there |
| 05:18.07 | DTRemenak | so's the header |
| 05:18.19 | MrApathyCream | oh, your using the VC6 ones, aren''t you |
| 05:18.23 | MrApathyCream | forgot |
| 05:18.28 | DTRemenak | yup :) |
| 05:18.30 | MrApathyCream | what file was it trying to compile |
| 05:18.46 | DTRemenak | TeamBases.cxx, of course :) |
| 05:19.27 | DTRemenak | ah, line after that has more info |
| 05:19.32 | DTRemenak | error C2440: 'default argument' : cannot convert from 'int' to 'const struct TeamBases::TeamBase &' |
| 05:19.47 | MrApathyCream | linenumber? |
| 05:19.57 | DTRemenak | include\vector |
| 05:20.01 | DTRemenak | same line |
| 05:20.14 | DTRemenak | that line is the definition of resize() |
| 05:20.34 | DTRemenak | so my guess is that teamBases.resize(1); in TeamBases.cxx, line 32 is triggering it |
| 05:20.38 | MrApathyCream | ok so it's having trouble with the template specialization i guess |
| 05:20.44 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:20.46 | MrApathyCream | i don't think so |
| 05:21.00 | MrApathyCream | resize requires something of it's template class, and vc5 thinks it doesn't have it |
| 05:21.32 | DTRemenak | ah, yes |
| 05:21.43 | DTRemenak | if line 32 is commented out it compiles fine |
| 05:21.50 | MrApathyCream | the resize? |
| 05:21.55 | DTRemenak | ya |
| 05:21.57 | MrApathyCream | perhaps it needs a default ctor |
| 05:21.59 | MrApathyCream | lessee |
| 05:22.07 | MrApathyCream | i'll bet thats it |
| 05:22.15 | MrApathyCream | the ctor has two optional parms |
| 05:22.24 | MrApathyCream | but vc5 probably doesn't see that that could be the default ctor |
| 05:22.32 | MrApathyCream | and resize requires it |
| 05:22.40 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:22.44 | MrApathyCream | ok, so lets see |
| 05:24.10 | bryjen | whee. --enable-debug get me a HUGE bzflag, with a longer bt |
| 05:24.21 | MrApathyCream | one sec.... |
| 05:24.39 | bryjen | still not sure how to see the values tho |
| 05:26.00 | MrApathyCream | ok, eat them apples |
| 05:26.07 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (TeamBases.cxx TeamBases.h): speculate that VC5 doesn't know how to demote a optional parmed ctor into the default ctor, for vector template specialization, so create a default ctor explicitly |
| 05:26.30 | DTRemenak | so now how long to I have to wait for anoncvs to update ? |
| 05:26.51 | MrApathyCream | double it and add 30 |
| 05:26.58 | DTRemenak | hmph |
| 05:26.59 | MrApathyCream | do you have dcc? |
| 05:27.08 | MrApathyCream | ability? |
| 05:27.13 | DTRemenak | nope, not in windows |
| 05:27.20 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:27.32 | DTRemenak | hm, another angle: what hoops do I have to jump thru to get dev cvs access? |
| 05:27.42 | MrApathyCream | ask tim or prot |
| 05:28.00 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: what hoops do I have to jump thru to get dev cvs access? |
| 05:28.26 | bryjen | hmm. if what i'm looking at is the string it got, no wonder it crashes |
| 05:28.34 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:28.39 | MrApathyCream | well it's a std::string |
| 05:28.47 | MrApathyCream | so it's not immediately apparent in the debuggler |
| 05:29.07 | MrApathyCream | or dump report i should say |
| 05:34.12 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: not much. sf name? |
| 05:34.22 | DTRemenak | dtremenak :) |
| 05:35.39 | TimRiker | hmm. sf might be down... |
| 05:36.19 | DTRemenak | *sigh* yes, it might |
| 05:50.01 | Nidhoggr | hrm. getting an error with make install |
| 05:50.56 | Nidhoggr | make[3]: Entering directory `/home/mandrake/bzflag/data' |
| 05:50.57 | Nidhoggr | make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. |
| 05:50.57 | Nidhoggr | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `ground.png', needed by `install-data-local'. Stop. |
| 05:51.05 | Nidhoggr | and I did ./configure --disable-client |
| 05:51.36 | Nidhoggr | this is newest cvs |
| 05:51.39 | Nidhoggr | err anon |
| 05:52.06 | learner | need to re-run automake |
| 05:52.16 | learner | does your data/Makefile.am list ground.png? |
| 05:52.23 | learner | if it does, it's out of date |
| 05:52.28 | DTRemenak | well, g'night |
| 05:52.42 | Nidhoggr | let me rerun |
| 05:52.59 | Nidhoggr | you mean autogen.sh? |
| 05:53.04 | learner | ./autogen.sh will do the trick |
| 05:53.11 | learner | autogen.sh runs automake for your |
| 05:53.15 | learner | s/your/you/ |
| 05:53.25 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 05:53.27 | DTRemenak | anoncvs has an out-of date makefile.am |
| 05:53.33 | DTRemenak | it lists ground |
| 05:53.42 | DTRemenak | and not team_base* |
| 05:53.46 | Nidhoggr | hrm |
| 05:54.22 | DTRemenak | gotta get some sleep |
| 05:54.42 | learner | http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/data/ |
| 05:54.55 | learner | you can get the latest from there |
| 05:55.20 | Nidhoggr | ah. I have regular cvs access, but I can never get it to work on linux. I am probably doing something wrong. |
| 05:55.23 | Nidhoggr | works on windows. |
| 05:55.58 | learner | indeed you probably are :) |
| 05:56.11 | learner | do you use bash? |
| 05:56.14 | Nidhoggr | I tried, but it seemed like I was supposed to use keypairs, etc. |
| 05:56.15 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 05:56.26 | learner | export CVS_RSH=ssh |
| 05:56.43 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC9EACBC.ipt.aol.com) |
| 05:56.44 | learner | cvs -d username@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag checkout bzflag |
| 05:57.14 | learner | it should prompt for password if you don't have keys set |
| 05:57.24 | learner | regardless,it should checkout |
| 05:57.29 | Chikorita | nuh uh |
| 05:57.36 | learner | uh huh |
| 05:57.38 | Chikorita | lol |
| 05:57.41 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 05:57.41 | learner | :) |
| 05:57.43 | Nidhoggr | yay! |
| 05:57.43 | Chikorita | :) |
| 05:57.45 | Nidhoggr | thank learnner |
| 05:57.47 | Nidhoggr | learner |
| 05:57.47 | Chikorita | yay |
| 05:58.29 | Chikorita | iz learna being nice an helpin peeple again? dang ;) |
| 05:58.37 | learner | neva! |
| 05:58.40 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 05:59.10 | Chikorita | :D |
| 06:00.10 | Chikorita | weeee |
| 06:00.12 | JBdiGriz | go get a private room |
| 06:00.15 | Chikorita | lol |
| 06:00.19 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 06:00.23 | learner | hehe |
| 06:01.55 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-109-1-2-185.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 06:02.17 | Chikorita | iz it snowin ova on ur side of md. L? |
| 06:02.35 | JBdiGriz | ~weather ksan |
| 06:02.54 | Chikorita | almost 1" of snow here already... |
| 06:03.00 | JBdiGriz | it's a little chilly here :) |
| 06:03.35 | learner | ~kapg |
| 06:03.42 | learner | ~weather kapg |
| 06:03.44 | JBdiGriz | don't forget the weather |
| 06:04.00 | Chikorita | ~weather khgr |
| 06:04.15 | learner | dang.. that's two days now.. no temperature taken. hope it's not a trend |
| 06:04.25 | learner | ~weather kbwi |
| 06:04.32 | JBdiGriz | maybe they can't handle the temps :) |
| 06:05.25 | JBdiGriz | proxs is on quol's server, i'll be back later |
| 06:05.37 | Chikorita | k |
| 06:05.41 | Chikorita | ~quol |
| 06:05.59 | Chikorita | proxsians play really late dunt they.. |
| 06:06.18 | Chikorita | ~dict balmy |
| 06:06.41 | Chikorita | bbl2 |
| 06:39.01 | learner | hrm.. quol ctf server is very unstable |
| 06:41.35 | JBdiGriz | did you lose the connection as well? |
| 06:41.40 | learner | yes |
| 06:42.17 | JBdiGriz | i wonder what happened |
| 06:44.24 | Blue_Beard | I thought BZ as a whole was unstable. ;) |
| 06:56.05 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 06:59.25 | SportChick | heya spiff |
| 06:59.31 | Blue_Beard | Heyz. |
| 06:59.37 | Blue_Beard | :-) |
| 06:59.44 | SportChick | it's been a very long time |
| 07:00.03 | Blue_Beard | No kiddin'! Like a year and a half I'd say. |
| 07:00.29 | learner | he was just waiting for someone to identify him :) |
| 07:00.41 | SportChick | yup |
| 07:00.50 | Blue_Beard | How was your trip? |
| 07:01.13 | SportChick | we updated our website for the whole trip...did you see? |
| 07:01.21 | SportChick | awesome |
| 07:01.22 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx TeamBases.cxx TeamBases.h): randomize popins/team flag locations over all bases |
| 07:01.25 | Blue_Beard | Yepperz.. sure did. :) Cool stuff. |
| 07:01.48 | Blue_Beard | That was one mighty long trip! :) |
| 07:02.05 | SportChick | a ;ot of people complained we didn't put up enough photos |
| 07:02.16 | SportChick | yup...a year |
| 07:02.24 | Blue_Beard | Well... more pics wouldn't kill the site or anything.. ;) Hehehe. |
| 07:02.39 | Blue_Beard | But nonetheless... very cool.. with or without pics. |
| 07:02.46 | SportChick | we were already over our limit on space..we had to get more room twice |
| 07:03.08 | Blue_Beard | Gotta love those site limits. |
| 07:04.42 | SportChick | yup...well, time for sleep...we'll catch up more later! :) |
| 07:05.01 | Blue_Beard | Absolutely! :) You're one of my oldest BZ friends.. hehe. |
| 07:05.06 | Blue_Beard | Have a good night. Laterz. :) |
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| 07:27.03 | MrApathyCream | learner: you around? |
| 07:27.53 | MrApathyCream | i emailed you with a new world (and cmd line) that i was hoping you would host for me:) |
| 07:27.56 | Patlabor221 | how goes the good fight MAC? |
| 07:28.00 | MrApathyCream | s'ok |
| 07:30.25 | Patlabor221 | I just did another 10.3 build and am uploading now |
| 07:30.31 | Patlabor221 | both a normal and a high res one |
| 07:30.47 | Tupone | MrApathyCream: hi, learner is sleeping |
| 07:31.01 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 07:31.03 | MrApathyCream | or here |
| 07:31.04 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/Worlds/multisample.bzw |
| 07:31.09 | Patlabor221 | tupone, what kind of 3d system do you run? |
| 07:31.14 | Patlabor221 | hardware or software? |
| 07:31.20 | Tupone | 5200 |
| 07:31.22 | MrApathyCream | could anyone host that world for a while? |
| 07:31.27 | Patlabor221 | that would be hardware |
| 07:31.29 | Tupone | FX 5200 |
| 07:31.32 | Patlabor221 | I can host what ever you would like mac |
| 07:31.39 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/Worlds/multisample.bzw |
| 07:31.44 | MrApathyCream | cmd line in file |
| 07:31.58 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: sorry, i meant a game |
| 07:32.17 | Patlabor221 | ohh, heh |
| 07:32.35 | Patlabor221 | that I canna do lad |
| 07:32.46 | MrApathyCream | yeah |
| 07:32.49 | MrApathyCream | but thanks |
| 07:33.12 | Patlabor221 | so far only person I know who runs softie is chestal |
| 07:33.30 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if he runs with dither and smothing on |
| 07:33.45 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker was here earlier asking if they were staying as bzdb options |
| 07:33.58 | Patlabor221 | yes allways |
| 07:34.00 | MrApathyCream | thats what i thought |
| 07:34.04 | Patlabor221 | it all says as bzdb |
| 07:34.22 | Patlabor221 | so you can set it exactly like it used to via bzdb |
| 07:34.55 | Patlabor221 | actualy I'm making it so you can set what quality level it all turns on and off at, so you can kinda make your own levels mean what ever you want |
| 07:35.01 | Patlabor221 | even more power |
| 07:35.07 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 07:35.16 | MrApathyCream | the bases are sweet btw |
| 07:35.31 | Patlabor221 | michaelhh said they sucked |
| 07:35.35 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:35.45 | Patlabor221 | but he's "odd" |
| 07:35.50 | MrApathyCream | they look 'padded' like a good base should be |
| 07:35.57 | MrApathyCream | soft, even |
| 07:36.04 | Patlabor221 | they have no real texture |
| 07:36.16 | Patlabor221 | just the colors |
| 07:36.19 | Patlabor221 | and the image |
| 07:36.25 | Patlabor221 | I have an idea for another one tho |
| 07:38.24 | Patlabor221 | ohh just a difrent image |
| 07:38.28 | Patlabor221 | more textury |
| 07:38.48 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 08:01.03 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: at startup the flag's owner is NoPlayer |
| 08:09.40 | Patlabor221 | well enought hijix for one night |
| 08:09.45 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 08:10.04 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 08:10.05 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/BZ/10.3/bzflagw321.10.3-2003.14.1.exe |
| 08:10.06 | Patlabor221 | and |
| 08:10.11 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/BZ/10.3/bzflag1.10.3-2003.14.1_high_res.exe |
| 08:10.15 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 08:10.15 | Patlabor221 | for those interested |
| 08:10.30 | Patlabor221 | release bui8lds made 30 min or so ago |
| 08:10.35 | Patlabor221 | night |
| 08:10.37 | Patlabor221 | night |
| 08:10.44 | MrApathyCream | seegya |
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| 09:42.19 | CIA-4 | 03shkoo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: allow new players to connect, even if idle kicking is enabled |
| 09:59.08 | larsl_afk | Good idea. =) |
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| 10:25.28 | bomber | moin |
| 10:25.51 | Pimpinella | hi |
| 10:40.01 | CIA-4 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 10:40.03 | CIA-4 | only check flag owner if flag is on tank; fixes wrong team flag marker; if you |
| 10:40.05 | CIA-4 | really want to draw an indicator when you're already carrying own flag in case |
| 10:40.07 | CIA-4 | of multipel flags, updateFlags() has to be changed, too. And maybe it should |
| 10:40.09 | CIA-4 | always draw marker for closes team flag? |
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| 11:13.38 | your_dog | good morning all |
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| 13:53.57 | Nidhoggr | what in the world is going on with bzfs? |
| 13:54.07 | Nidhoggr | kicking Player [16] idle 780 |
| 13:54.07 | Nidhoggr | kicking Player [16] idle 781 |
| 13:54.13 | Nidhoggr | that's in 1 second |
| 13:54.27 | Nidhoggr | it's just scrolling like that |
| 13:57.03 | Nidhoggr | looks like kicking players in a slot gets stuck in a loop |
| 13:57.14 | your_dog | good morning Nidhoggr, sorry for you troubles |
| 13:57.18 | your_dog | wish i could help :( |
| 13:57.30 | your_dog | *your troubles |
| 13:57.38 | Nidhoggr | hiya |
| 13:57.54 | learner | good morning Nidhoggr, sorry for you troubles |
| 13:57.59 | learner | wish I could help :( |
| 13:58.03 | Nidhoggr | morning, learner. |
| 13:58.06 | learner | *your troubles |
| 13:58.10 | learner | :) |
| 13:58.11 | your_dog | :P |
| 13:58.22 | learner | silly windows |
| 13:59.42 | Nidhoggr | this one isn't in windows |
| 13:59.51 | Nidhoggr | this is current cvs on secretplace. :( |
| 14:00.31 | learner | ah |
| 14:00.32 | Nidhoggr | I just killed it on dragon.org, until there's a fix. |
| 14:01.27 | learner | *shrug* dunno |
| 14:01.59 | learner | i can't do a full recompile just yet as I have non-compiling changes in progress |
| 14:02.19 | Nidhoggr | looks like 2 different slots (15 and 16) are kicking a non-existant player about 20 times a second each |
| 14:03.27 | learner | that sounds like chestal's change from yesterday |
| 14:03.42 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 14:03.49 | Nidhoggr | ~seen chestal |
| 14:03.54 | | chestal is currently on #bzflag |
| 14:03.54 | learner | where max of paused time and idle time are supposed to be used |
| 14:04.30 | Nidhoggr | :( poor learner. |
| 14:04.34 | Nidhoggr | I am sick too |
| 14:04.41 | your_dog | sorry learner, and nidhoggr |
| 14:07.23 | Chestal | Nidhoggr: there was a fix from some hours ago, do you use it? |
| 14:12.42 | Nidhoggr | that's with nils fix in place. |
| 14:12.54 | Nidhoggr | before it wouldn't even let a person back in the slot |
| 14:13.28 | Nidhoggr | shkoo patched secretplace, then restarted. this was after the restart. |
| 14:17.12 | Nidhoggr | it's like it's not recognizing that the person is the slot was actually kicked |
| 14:23.19 | your_dog | i'm going to switch computers, so i can play some bz :-D |
| 14:23.22 | your_dog | i'll brb |
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| 15:34.26 | Grumbler | ~botsnack |
| 15:34.26 | | Grumbler: aw, gee |
| 15:35.42 | Nidhoggr | hi mister grumbler |
| 15:35.51 | Grumbler | hey Nidhoggr |
| 15:36.14 | Grumbler | you have all those tickets closed today?... hahaha :) |
| 15:37.47 | Nidhoggr | that was a nightmare. :( |
| 15:38.43 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: have you noticed any particulars with the 1.10.3 client? |
| 15:39.47 | Nidhoggr | we compile daily now, so it's hard to tell what defines a 1.10.3 client now. :) they are faster, in general. |
| 15:41.55 | Grumbler | hrm, i was having some issues on xmission last night...........was wondering if they are common or not. |
| 15:41.57 | Nidhoggr | I like the new texture capability. |
| 15:42.02 | Grumbler | ditto |
| 15:42.11 | Nidhoggr | have you been compiling your own? |
| 15:42.25 | Grumbler | no, i have been using pat's stuff from the forum |
| 15:42.30 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 15:42.52 | Nidhoggr | since you are an admin on secretplace, you can have access to our daily build if you want. |
| 15:42.52 | Grumbler | he just updated last night, i might have to try that out and see what happens |
| 15:42.56 | Nidhoggr | windows? |
| 15:43.04 | Grumbler | windows, yes |
| 15:43.04 | Nidhoggr | we are just doing windows for now. |
| 15:43.07 | Nidhoggr | okie. |
| 15:43.31 | Grumbler | you are doing daily builds?..........that many bugs? |
| 15:43.42 | Nidhoggr | minor fixes every day. |
| 15:44.01 | Nidhoggr | we started yesterday, though. :) |
| 15:44.55 | Nidhoggr | wow. we just got a contract to do CDN for Belo. |
| 15:46.56 | Nidhoggr | just built the 1.10.3 this AM and uploaded it a few minutes ago. |
| 15:47.04 | Nidhoggr | I should also do the mac one from work. |
| 15:47.20 | Grumbler | i just got it |
| 15:47.20 | Nidhoggr | dunno if anyone uses Mac though. |
| 15:47.32 | Grumbler | JB |
| 15:47.48 | Nidhoggr | one of the changes is in rabbit, you see "Hunter" instead of "rogue" |
| 15:48.04 | Grumbler | yeah, i saw that last night.....and the orange tanks are better |
| 15:48.40 | Grumbler | with pat's alternate textures the ceilings are a little bright though, i will have to find a way to tone them down |
| 15:48.51 | Grumbler | maybe use the old ones instead |
| 15:49.03 | Grumbler | well, the old ceilings at least |
| 15:49.33 | Grumbler | ~lart CIA-1 |
| 15:50.14 | Nidhoggr | I'm using the default textures now, since he's been updating them. |
| 15:50.18 | Nidhoggr | they look nice. |
| 15:50.26 | Nidhoggr | I'll do more textures after 1.4 is released. |
| 15:50.41 | Nidhoggr | also going to stick up a textures gallery for everyone to use. |
| 15:51.00 | Nidhoggr | maybe get tim to dns it to textures.bzflag.org or something. |
| 15:52.45 | Grumbler | nice idea |
| 15:54.33 | Nidhoggr | hoping new bzfs bug is fixed soon so I can restart secretplace. |
| 15:54.43 | Nidhoggr | I can't monitor the logs at all right now. |
| 16:01.57 | Nidhoggr | grr.. I feel like a monkey at the zoo. someone staring through the fishbowl windows. |
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| 16:37.45 | Death_Barrel | ~dict blasphemous |
| 16:46.20 | SportChick | Nid, |
| 16:46.22 | SportChick | you there? |
| 16:46.24 | Nidhoggr | almost a million kicking Player entries in newest log since 2:30 AM |
| 16:46.29 | Nidhoggr | yes |
| 16:46.41 | Nidhoggr | dragon.org will be down until bug is fixed. |
| 16:46.41 | SportChick | I'm SURE Trojan must be cheating on secretplace...he's 48-0 |
| 16:46.46 | SportChick | 48 to 0 |
| 16:46.55 | Nidhoggr | have to watched him at all? |
| 16:47.06 | SportChick | I've been playing...he's got narrow |
| 16:47.13 | SportChick | but 40 to 0?! |
| 16:47.22 | SportChick | Tex was on there earlier. |
| 16:47.25 | SportChick | so is unine |
| 16:47.26 | Nidhoggr | there is no way. it looks like a cheat. scipio is gunna go watch. |
| 16:47.30 | SportChick | k |
| 16:47.41 | Nidhoggr | he's had narrow that long? |
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| 16:48.09 | Nidhoggr | 996,201 "kicking Player" entries. whee. |
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| 16:51.34 | Death_Barrel | hey your_dog |
| 16:51.44 | Death_Barrel | how about a HoW vs Elite match this weekend? |
| 16:52.01 | your_dog | sure, did you know we played y'all last night? |
| 16:52.16 | your_dog | btw, hi :() |
| 16:52.18 | Death_Barrel | really? |
| 16:52.19 | Death_Barrel | cool |
| 16:52.19 | your_dog | *) |
| 16:52.24 | Death_Barrel | who won? |
| 16:52.32 | your_dog | *) |
| 16:52.45 | your_dog | y'all won :) |
| 16:52.56 | your_dog | stomped us into the ground 8 - 0 |
| 16:53.31 | Death_Barrel | ~dict masochist |
| 16:53.52 | your_dog | i would like to play again this weeked, don't know if meno will be able too |
| 16:54.03 | your_dog | he's supposed to get another computer, but binhboong probably can |
| 16:54.14 | your_dog | i'll have to ask him |
| 16:54.27 | Death_Barrel | ok sounds good :) |
| 16:54.30 | your_dog | wait, the BIT starts this weekend |
| 16:54.47 | your_dog | y'all can beat us more than once :'( |
| 16:55.13 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 16:55.23 | your_dog | we won our first match last night |
| 16:55.32 | Death_Barrel | sounds like the league is getting more active now |
| 16:55.38 | Death_Barrel | that holiday season is over |
| 16:55.49 | your_dog | yeah, i'm glad it is |
| 16:55.53 | your_dog | i like having matches |
| 16:56.14 | your_dog | we beat Annihilation last night, 5 - 4 |
| 16:56.20 | your_dog | that was a GOOD match |
| 16:56.23 | Death_Barrel | wow |
| 16:56.25 | Death_Barrel | good work |
| 16:56.30 | your_dog | we are about the same skill level, it was hard |
| 16:56.32 | Death_Barrel | i am talking to noodleman as we speak :) |
| 16:56.49 | your_dog | the first 15 min neither of us scored |
| 16:57.08 | Death_Barrel | sounds like a good match ! |
| 16:57.24 | your_dog | yeah, it was tense |
| 16:57.26 | your_dog | :) |
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| 16:58.24 | Nidhoggr | can you ban with something like 65.40.18*.*? |
| 16:58.49 | Blue_Beard | I don't think so. But it sounds good. :) |
| 16:58.50 | Death_Barrel | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1347 |
| 16:58.51 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:58.53 | Death_Barrel | funnies |
| 16:59.08 | your_dog | i haven't looked at them yet |
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| 16:59.38 | your_dog | i tried challenging TDS to a match, but haven't heard back from them :( |
| 16:59.50 | Blue_Beard | TDS r0x0rz. :) |
| 17:00.13 | your_dog | isn't that nerd term for sucks? |
| 17:00.23 | your_dog | ;) |
| 17:00.26 | Blue_Beard | They used to be really good. Dunno about now. |
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| 17:00.41 | Blue_Beard | We lost our first match to them.. back in the day. |
| 17:00.50 | Death_Barrel | hehe HoW can smash them anyday :D |
| 17:00.51 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:00.51 | Blue_Beard | Then beat them five or six times. ;) |
| 17:01.04 | Death_Barrel | actually KR and Calico together are really damn good |
| 17:01.06 | your_dog | yeah, they can smash us though :) |
| 17:01.22 | Death_Barrel | TDS is a good team |
| 17:01.24 | Blue_Beard | They were best 3v3.. Mickey, root, and calico. |
| 17:01.25 | Death_Barrel | one of the top teams |
| 17:01.29 | Blue_Beard | Micky^ |
| 17:01.31 | Death_Barrel | nah |
| 17:01.47 | Blue_Beard | I remember watching them trounce the Moles.. hehe. |
| 17:01.50 | Death_Barrel | HoW has always beaten them with that line up |
| 17:01.50 | Blue_Beard | ;) Chestal |
| 17:02.05 | Blue_Beard | Funny... I remember watching them trounce HoW too. :) |
| 17:02.12 | Death_Barrel | telling you that Calico and KR together are a secret weapon |
| 17:02.22 | Death_Barrel | TDS trounce How?? |
| 17:02.36 | Death_Barrel | muahahha |
| 17:02.37 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:02.45 | Death_Barrel | never happened |
| 17:03.02 | Blue_Beard | Err.. back in the days where you didn't have Freelancer.. yes, it did. :) |
| 17:03.09 | Blue_Beard | I watched it.. hehe. |
| 17:03.17 | your_dog | ok, i have to go eat lunch, DB, you can check for me on AIM |
| 17:03.19 | your_dog | your dog85 |
| 17:03.30 | Death_Barrel | srry |
| 17:03.34 | Death_Barrel | don't use AIM |
| 17:03.37 | Death_Barrel | only irc |
| 17:03.38 | your_dog | ok, i have ICQ |
| 17:03.39 | Death_Barrel | :) |
| 17:03.46 | Death_Barrel | i have icq also |
| 17:03.47 | your_dog | i have your ICQ # |
| 17:03.51 | Death_Barrel | but don't use it at work |
| 17:04.02 | your_dog | ok, but what about on Saturday? |
| 17:04.05 | your_dog | will you use it then? |
| 17:04.11 | Death_Barrel | Blue_Beard: lol, they never trounce us anymore |
| 17:04.17 | Death_Barrel | that was a long time ago |
| 17:04.23 | Death_Barrel | sure |
| 17:04.27 | Death_Barrel | lil dog sure |
| 17:04.30 | Blue_Beard | I don't doubt that. They were getting a lot worse when I left. |
| 17:04.31 | Death_Barrel | i am generally on irc |
| 17:04.36 | Death_Barrel | when ever i am on BZ |
| 17:04.40 | your_dog | ok, i am too |
| 17:04.43 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:04.50 | Death_Barrel | cu then your_dog |
| 17:04.55 | Death_Barrel | tim will be around |
| 17:04.58 | your_dog | don't call me lil dog, might get mad ;) |
| 17:05.07 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:05.09 | Death_Barrel | don't worry |
| 17:05.09 | your_dog | might have to beat you ;) |
| 17:05.17 | Death_Barrel | you don't seem to be anything like lil dog |
| 17:05.29 | your_dog | ok, lunch time! yeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 17:05.32 | Death_Barrel | that kid emails me forty times a day |
| 17:05.33 | your_dog | no, i have guns too :) |
| 17:05.39 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 17:05.39 | your_dog | who? tim? |
| 17:05.46 | Death_Barrel | no : lil dog |
| 17:05.50 | your_dog | oh |
| 17:05.53 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:05.57 | your_dog | ok, lunch! :) |
| 17:05.59 | your_dog | bye |
| 17:06.16 | Death_Barrel | Blue_Beard: who are you? |
| 17:06.19 | Death_Barrel | blue eyes? |
| 17:06.27 | Blue_Beard | Dunno who blue eyes is. |
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| 17:06.44 | Blue_Beard | I sorta figured everyone knew me.. but I'm realizing more and more that they don't. :S |
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| 17:07.33 | DeathBarrel | stupid proxy |
| 17:07.35 | DeathBarrel | srry gusy |
| 17:07.49 | DeathBarrel | well who are you was the question ;) |
| 17:08.01 | Blue_Beard | Oh look, it's lunch time. |
| 17:08.03 | Blue_Beard | C-ya. ;-) |
| 17:08.03 | DeathBarrel | [dmp] |
| 17:08.24 | DeathBarrel | yeah lunch sounds good |
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| 17:08.30 | DeathBarrel | maybe a chicken sandwitch today ;) |
| 17:08.37 | DeathBarrel | cya guys later :) |
| 17:09.03 | Nidhoggr | more frozen shots |
| 17:09.11 | Blue_Beard | ? Nidhoggr |
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| 17:09.40 | Nidhoggr | there is a bug. saw it last night, now it's happening on secretplace. |
| 17:09.54 | Nidhoggr | shots freeze in one spot. if you drive into them, they act like a mine and blow you up. |
| 17:10.21 | Blue_Beard | Before I stopped playing BZ, I was having trouble with some graphics stuff. Like.. at random times... when I would make a turn, everything would turn into one solid blur. |
| 17:10.30 | Blue_Beard | And it would remain that way until I restarted the client. |
| 17:10.48 | Blue_Beard | Ahhh... that's a very nasty bug. |
| 17:11.44 | Blue_Beard | This time I actually am going to lunch. :) Laterz. |
| 17:26.33 | Noodleman | i feel really bad... |
| 17:27.00 | Noodleman | i showed my mom this: |
| 17:27.20 | Noodleman | http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/swf/vision_sabotage.html? http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/swf/vision_sabotage.html? |
| 17:27.24 | Noodleman | oops |
| 17:27.30 | Noodleman | http://starterupsteve.servepics.com/swf/vision_sabotage.html? |
| 17:27.40 | Noodleman | and she got so scared, she cried |
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| 17:42.01 | Nidhoggr | re: learner. |
| 17:44.09 | learner | re: ? |
| 17:45.51 | Nidhoggr | re: = rehi |
| 17:46.02 | Nidhoggr | if I already said hi to you, I usually re |
| 17:46.04 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:46.24 | learner | remoin: Nidhoggr |
| 17:46.55 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:47.15 | Nidhoggr | where you here last night when I mentioned zero velocity shot on dragon.org? |
| 17:47.37 | Nidhoggr | just had a bunch of them on secretplace. |
| 17:48.04 | Nidhoggr | newest cvs server, and 1.10.2 client was one who dropped them. person was a regular so I doubt cheating. |
| 17:50.28 | learner | yes |
| 17:52.29 | Nidhoggr | I submitted a bug report. |
| 17:52.36 | learner | i noticed |
| 17:52.56 | Nidhoggr | I've had over a million lines of "kicked Player" in my logs since 2:35 AM now. |
| 17:53.05 | learner | hehe |
| 17:53.26 | Nidhoggr | it's really lagging the server, though. |
| 17:53.37 | learner | that's an old problem. server tries to kick and can't so it tries over and over as fast as it's runloop lets it |
| 17:54.14 | Nidhoggr | no one is in the slot |
| 17:54.14 | bryjen | can't kick? |
| 17:54.36 | Nidhoggr | if someone fills slot, server stops reporting kicking player |
| 17:54.36 | bryjen | ah |
| 17:54.43 | learner | as a temp/immediate workaround, you can just disable logging, and it should not mess up the server so much |
| 17:54.45 | Nidhoggr | so it doesn't realize perosn was kicked |
| 17:54.47 | bryjen | an invalid id sneaking in |
| 17:55.14 | Nidhoggr | it happens every time someone is idlekicked |
| 17:55.27 | Nidhoggr | that slot keeps attemtping kick until someone fills it. |
| 17:55.28 | learner | ah! that is important |
| 17:56.00 | Nidhoggr | like the code says "kick person" but doesn't set the state that there is no longer an idle person in the slot. |
| 18:00.29 | learner | the kick code is supposed to do that (removePlayer()) |
| 18:00.43 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:01.05 | Nidhoggr | but is there something that says someone is still idle in that slot? |
| 18:01.31 | Chestal | when palyer is removed, state should be PlayerNoExist |
| 18:01.36 | Chestal | please join ducati 59155 for a test |
| 18:01.59 | Nidhoggr | I can only do that with bzadmin. that okay? I'm at work. |
| 18:02.13 | Chestal | hmm, yes, better than nothing |
| 18:02.17 | Nidhoggr | ok. |
| 18:04.49 | bryjen | kick'ed |
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| 18:06.31 | Chestal | bryjen: as you should,maxidle 5s :-) |
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| 18:13.21 | Grumbler | ug, hate it when i forgot my password to places...........especially if it is my domain name..... |
| 18:15.47 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: print the correct idletime in server log |
| 18:16.38 | bryjen | I was just about to ask about that debug line :) |
| 18:18.58 | bryjen | and is it giving you 3 * threshold if you've sent a chat message within threshold? |
| 18:20.33 | Grumbler | i noticed last night on xmission, that when someone went NR, they never really left..........minutes went by, ended up kicking the person......or ghost at that point |
| 18:21.06 | Nidhoggr | saw that too |
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| 18:34.15 | Nidhoggr | restarted. testing now. |
| 18:38.29 | bryjen | hmm "cannot load texture: tank" stating the client. right after "loading timesbr" |
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| 18:39.58 | Grumbler | ....ooooooooo 2.0.7 x-chat..........oooooooooooooo.............looks exactly the same.............hahha |
| 18:41.13 | Nidhoggr | so there is a grace period if people are sending PMs? |
| 18:41.19 | Nidhoggr | or typing in general? |
| 18:41.46 | Grumbler | ?.....for inactivity |
| 18:42.27 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:45.06 | Grumbler | if it is the same as the old stuff, i dont believe there is |
| 18:45.48 | Grumbler | the server is in control of timeouts, and the client is in charge of text entry, then it blurts the data out |
| 18:46.02 | Grumbler | that how is was explained to me at one time |
| 18:46.20 | Grumbler | that's how it was.......etc |
| 18:49.47 | bryjen | yeah, the server doesn't know if you're typing right this second, but all comms are relayed thru the server, so it knows if you've _sent_ a chat message |
| 18:51.41 | Grumbler | i like _blurt_ better :) |
| 18:52.33 | Nidhoggr | robots should use roger code. :) |
| 18:56.15 | Grumbler | sounds very philosophical |
| 18:56.53 | Nidhoggr | [root@logos logs]# grep "kicking Player" spirals.040150234.log | wc -l |
| 18:56.53 | Nidhoggr | 1195193 |
| 18:56.54 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 18:57.30 | Grumbler | that server must have a big boot |
| 18:57.50 | Nidhoggr | it had/has? bugs in its boot |
| 18:57.58 | Nidhoggr | testing to see if it's fixed now. |
| 18:58.00 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: use the max of pausetime and idletime when idlekicking |
| 18:58.27 | Grumbler | speaking of which..........in Great Britain do they call boots something else........maybe trunks....hmmmm |
| 19:01.47 | bryjen | is CIA-5 behind? i thought it already did that |
| 19:02.07 | Grumbler | never question the CIA, it questions you |
| 19:02.50 | bryjen | question everything |
| 19:03.46 | Nidhoggr | at least my aflac will pay my copay for doctor on monday. *sniffle* |
| 19:04.13 | Patlabor221 | chestal, you around? |
| 19:05.47 | Blue_Beard | That's one sick "eye test," Noodleman. :) |
| 19:12.31 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: remove load of old style tank texture from playing init, tanks take care of themeselves now |
| 19:27.29 | CIA-5 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Removed unused variable |
| 19:29.12 | Patlabor221 | ohh I left it in there didn't i? |
| 19:29.32 | larsl_afk | Probably. =) |
| 19:30.21 | larsl | It's easy to find them with GCC, because it aborts the compilation on all warnings in debug mode. |
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| 19:48.26 | larsl | With the new textures, zoned tanks look just like normal tanks. |
| 19:49.31 | your_dog | i got the textures zip from bzbb forums, and the only thing i c different are the walls |
| 19:49.54 | your_dog | shouldn't the tanks be different? or do i have to change that? or what? :) |
| 19:52.03 | larsl | Where did you put the texture files? |
| 19:55.48 | Chestal | Patlabor: yes |
| 19:56.51 | your_dog | oh, sorry, wasn't lookin |
| 19:56.58 | your_dog | i put them in my data dir |
| 19:57.06 | larsl | data/alternate? |
| 19:57.11 | your_dog | no, just data |
| 19:57.20 | larsl | I think they should go in data/alternate. |
| 19:57.30 | your_dog | oh, ok, let me try |
| 19:57.32 | your_dog | i'll brb |
| 19:57.43 | your_dog | btw, i still have 1.10.2 |
| 19:57.54 | your_dog | i'm not running CVS |
| 19:57.57 | larsl | Then it won't work. |
| 19:58.00 | your_dog | version |
| 19:58.06 | your_dog | oh, ok :( |
| 19:58.21 | your_dog | guess i should use CVS ver if i want it to work, huh? |
| 19:58.57 | larsl | There is a Windows installer for a 1.10.3 version that works with the new textures on bzbb, same thread as the texture pack. |
| 19:59.03 | Grumbler | or go to the forum and get it from there |
| 19:59.09 | Grumbler | yeah, like larsl said |
| 19:59.18 | your_dog | ok, i'm running RH linux |
| 19:59.27 | Grumbler | off to cvs then |
| 19:59.30 | larsl | your_dog: Then CVS might be the easiest. |
| 19:59.37 | your_dog | ok, thnx |
| 19:59.49 | Grumbler | your welcome |
| 19:59.55 | your_dog | i'll have to do it l8r, i have some things i have to do :( |
| 20:00.00 | your_dog | don't want to, but have to :) |
| 20:00.09 | your_dog | i'll cy'all l8r |
| 20:00.13 | Grumbler | you need the firewood for the cold |
| 20:00.25 | your_dog | yeah, finished that for now though :) |
| 20:00.43 | Grumbler | lucky you |
| 20:00.45 | your_dog | actually, we still need a lot more wood |
| 20:00.51 | your_dog | just not going to get more right now |
| 20:01.05 | Grumbler | good luck |
| 20:01.07 | your_dog | this is about the lowest we've ever gotten on wood |
| 20:01.16 | your_dog | it's kind of nerve-racking |
| 20:01.19 | your_dog | (sp?) |
| 20:01.47 | Grumbler | ~spell nerve racking |
| 20:01.48 | | 'nerve racking' may be spelled correctly |
| 20:01.48 | your_dog | ah, ok |
| 20:01.49 | Grumbler | ~botsnack |
| 20:01.49 | | Grumbler: thanks |
| 20:02.41 | your_dog | ok, y'all have a good morning, afternoon, evening, day :) |
| 20:02.47 | your_dog | cya |
| 20:04.10 | larsl | ~dict racking |
| 20:04.43 | Grumbler | derived from "the rack" |
| 20:05.00 | Grumbler | ~dict rack |
| 20:05.23 | Grumbler | ~dict rack[4] |
| 20:05.35 | Grumbler | flubberygibbet |
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| 20:09.49 | Nidhoggr | google is cute today |
| 20:10.56 | david_v | hmm don't see anything special on google.se |
| 20:11.18 | captain_pistachi | david_v: almost certainly an american-only thing |
| 20:12.43 | david_v | seems like it |
| 20:18.32 | Grumbler | scientifically, its global...........politically/american social psychi its primarily american |
| 20:21.12 | Nidhoggr | player just got booted for idle, but he was playing contantly. |
| 20:23.59 | Grumbler | like they say...........just because you are wearing a tie does not mean you are bloody important |
| 20:34.13 | Nidhoggr | larsl? have you implemented the split screen thing in bzadmin yet? |
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| 21:05.25 | Grumbler | not sure what i find more interesting about this, the fact that my box launched and gathered data or the disclaimer at the bottom of the page http://analyst.gsfc.nasa.gov/SLAM/index.html |
| 21:07.59 | larsl | Nidhoggr: No, I haven't done anything more with the patch. Too busy with other things. |
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| 21:08.45 | Nidhoggr | ok. know the feeling. |
| 21:08.50 | Nidhoggr | just wondering :) |
| 21:09.30 | Grumbler | somebody give larsl a pat on the back.........sounds like he is ready to go postal |
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| 21:09.53 | Blue_Beard | Hiya m0nkey. :-) |
| 21:09.56 | Blue_Beard | Heyz orchid. |
| 21:09.58 | orchid | hello |
| 21:11.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi bb |
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| 21:13.08 | orchid | Tupone: hi |
| 21:13.18 | Tupone | ciao |
| 21:13.28 | Tupone | was playing |
| 21:13.33 | orchid | Tupone: new version very good now, tnx |
| 21:13.43 | Tupone | did you fix time? |
| 21:13.58 | larsl | Should we maybe start building test builds again, like before 1.10? |
| 21:14.15 | orchid | Tupone: yes |
| 21:14.21 | larsl | To let people test the development versions without having to build it themself. |
| 21:14.25 | Tupone | and autoidentify? |
| 21:14.45 | orchid | autoidentity? |
| 21:14.58 | Tupone | don't need to put a password |
| 21:15.04 | Grumbler | poor IT was trying to save a couple trees........ :) |
| 21:15.07 | Tupone | your client will do for you |
| 21:15.28 | orchid | Grumbler: i just wanted to crash some computers |
| 21:15.33 | Blue_Beard | :-) |
| 21:15.48 | Tupone | set user@node:port pass <- that is autoidentify |
| 21:16.07 | Grumbler | hah |
| 21:16.18 | Chestal | where :port is optional |
| 21:16.31 | orchid | oh ches, observers can be seen now, thnx |
| 21:16.35 | Grumbler | orchid: maybe you should change your nick to DevilishOrchid :) |
| 21:16.51 | Chestal | orchid: good, evil learner had removed my patch for some reason |
| 21:17.01 | orchid | i will deal with him |
| 21:17.04 | Nidhoggr | I'm doing 1.10.3 builds now for the admins who have windows |
| 21:17.15 | larsl | Chestal: If I "set user@host pass", will it use that password for servers on all ports on that host or just on 5154? |
| 21:17.27 | Tupone | all port |
| 21:17.48 | Chestal | if you have both @hsot and @host:port, the latter will win |
| 21:18.11 | orchid | is the pass plain text to the server now or "hashed" (whatever) |
| 21:18.24 | Tupone | plain test in your config |
| 21:18.30 | Nidhoggr | it's md5, right? |
| 21:18.37 | Nidhoggr | oh, server pass. |
| 21:18.41 | Nidhoggr | user passes are hashed |
| 21:19.02 | larsl | Plain text over the net, hashed in the database file. |
| 21:20.25 | larsl | Wouldn't really matter if we hashed them over the net, we would need some kind of private/public keypair handling if we don't trust the people who read the server log (or sniffs your network traffic). |
| 21:21.45 | Nidhoggr | I don't think it's that big of a deal. |
| 21:21.48 | Nidhoggr | but that's just me. |
| 21:22.37 | Patlabor221 | yay chestal lives |
| 21:22.45 | Chestal | Patlabor221: does he? |
| 21:22.51 | Patlabor221 | chestal do you have dither on/off and smothing on/off ? |
| 21:22.57 | Patlabor221 | wellI would hope he does :) |
| 21:23.22 | Chestal | Patlabor221: dithering is off, although I play at 8bit color depth, but dithering doesn't really make it prettier. Performance hit is not very big |
| 21:23.47 | Chestal | Patlabor2: smoothing is off, too. Has a bigger performance hit and does not really look that good with 256 colours anyway |
| 21:24.05 | Chestal | actualy, I also have smoothing off on my Matrox G400 system |
| 21:24.15 | larsl | Patlabor221: I played with the new textures on secretplace earlier today, it seems like there's no difference between zoned tanks and normal tanks. |
| 21:24.29 | Patlabor221 | oh there is suposed to be? |
| 21:24.34 | Patlabor221 | what do zoned tanks look like? |
| 21:24.38 | larsl | They are both completely opaque with the new textures. |
| 21:24.54 | larsl | You could see through them with the old graphics. |
| 21:24.59 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 21:25.02 | Patlabor221 | they were transperant |
| 21:25.05 | Patlabor221 | ok, I can fix that |
| 21:25.11 | Nidhoggr | oh.. THAT's why I thought someone was cheating last night! |
| 21:25.21 | Patlabor221 | gimme a bit |
| 21:25.24 | Nidhoggr | I thought I was totally stupid. |
| 21:25.25 | Chestal | hmm, I don't remember what zoned tanks look like |
| 21:25.26 | larsl | No rush. |
| 21:25.40 | Nidhoggr | chestal, they look like ghosties. translucent. |
| 21:25.43 | Chestal | Patlabor: on my G400, smoothing kilsl the framerate (40 instead of 100) |
| 21:25.50 | Chestal | but I think this is only on Linux |
| 21:26.13 | Chestal | Nidhoggr: hmm, I wonder how they look when you have no blending etc. |
| 21:26.37 | Nidhoggr | I should try it sometime. |
| 21:26.41 | Patlabor221 | ok so if a tank is zoned, it shows transperant |
| 21:26.45 | Nidhoggr | <-at work still. |
| 21:26.52 | Patlabor221 | what do normal tanks look like when you are zoned? |
| 21:27.02 | Nidhoggr | they look solid. |
| 21:27.43 | Chestal | hmm, wasn't everything inverted when you're zoned? |
| 21:27.54 | Nidhoggr | the ground turns purple |
| 21:28.01 | Nidhoggr | and something with walls. |
| 21:28.18 | Grumbler | think the walls were normal |
| 21:36.00 | Chestal | yes, only groudn changes I think |
| 21:39.39 | Patlabor221 | can somone go test an older build and see what tanks looked liked when you are zoned |
| 21:39.43 | Patlabor221 | and then I can fix it |
| 21:39.59 | Patlabor221 | chestal, ok that's intersting |
| 21:42.02 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking of making smothing on by default just high quality |
| 21:42.16 | Patlabor221 | and dither on for low, and off for med and higher |
| 21:42.26 | Patlabor221 | all setable via bzdb if needed |
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| 21:49.20 | Grumbler | orchid: there are duplicate link commands in the BigMadCity map that caused the issue you saw |
| 21:50.44 | JBdiGriz | i got a message last night on quol's ctf server. Another tank had locked on me as if they had GM. There are no GM's available. |
| 21:51.57 | Grumbler | what client version? 10.2 or 10.3 |
| 21:52.10 | orchid | Grumbler: i talked to PP, he said he will look at it |
| 21:52.11 | JBdiGriz | I was 10.3, he was 10.2 |
| 21:52.43 | Grumbler | orchid: i found two duplicates and documented in the forum, he can start there......if you have a direct line to him |
| 21:53.05 | orchid | Grumbler: no direct line :), bzmail |
| 21:53.39 | Grumbler | JBdiGriz: i had funky problems on xmission last night........flag descriptions for 10.3 all screw-bally |
| 21:54.13 | JBdiGriz | The only flags on quol ctf are the team flags. I don't usually look at the descriptions. |
| 21:54.52 | Grumbler | have you looked at the team flag descriptions when someone has it picked up......?????? |
| 21:55.25 | Grumbler | i had a lot of extra characters following the team name............they would change every time I changed radar resolutions |
| 21:56.08 | JBdiGriz | In the past, I have. It says something about team color and either protect it or capture it. |
| 21:56.52 | Grumbler | sure that is bzflag and not the antiques road show? :) |
| 21:57.08 | JBdiGriz | Not everyone plays ffa :) |
| 21:57.18 | Grumbler | some play rabbit hunt |
| 21:57.38 | JBdiGriz | It's good that you noticed. |
| 21:57.47 | Grumbler | some would like there to be more than one rabbit when a server gets very busy...... |
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| 22:29.47 | Patlabor221 | ok so did anyone find what tanks look like top PZ people are suposed to look like? |
| 22:30.33 | Tupone | IIRC like when not phased |
| 22:31.07 | Noodleman | i think they should be bright white, and cast a white glow :-) |
| 22:31.29 | Patlabor221 | well yes but that means I have to redo lighing |
| 22:31.37 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:31.39 | Patlabor221 | so when you have PZ the tanks never look difrent |
| 22:31.52 | Patlabor221 | but if you are in the zone, the other tanks see you as transperant |
| 22:32.00 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:32.06 | Blue_Beard | The tanks look the same.. the world itself looks kinda odd. For example.. the ground is purple.. :) |
| 22:32.07 | Nidhoggr | our pop in NYC is 12 degrees outside. |
| 22:32.08 | Patlabor221 | everyone concurs? |
| 22:32.17 | Patlabor221 | yes I have the purple ground working |
| 22:32.21 | Patlabor221 | I am just talking about tanks |
| 22:32.28 | Blue_Beard | As I remember.. they don't change. |
| 22:32.34 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 22:32.42 | Blue_Beard | It's getting a bit fuzzy though.. ;) Hehe. |
| 22:32.51 | Blue_Beard | M00, Noodleman. :) |
| 22:33.02 | Nidhoggr | mooooooooo |
| 22:34.59 | Patlabor221 | ohh icky flags don't have enumerations, just strings |
| 22:36.38 | Nidhoggr | looks like bug is gone. |
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| 22:42.13 | Noodleman | m00, Blue_Beard |
| 22:47.23 | Nidhoggr | sudafed 24 hour isn't drying me up very well. |
| 22:47.39 | Noodleman | lol |
| 22:47.49 | Nidhoggr | at least I have dr appt monday. |
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| 22:50.36 | Death_Barrel | the quote of the day>>> |
| 22:51.11 | Death_Barrel | It's a good idea to always carry two sacks of something when you walk around. That way, if anybody says: Hey, can you give me a hand? You can say: Sorry, got these sacks. |
| 22:51.22 | Death_Barrel | got that one from bamf |
| 22:51.24 | Death_Barrel | lol |
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| 22:57.53 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: make textured tank be 50% trans if it has PZ and is active |
| 23:11.14 | Quol | anyone know of the issue with bzfs 1.10.3 and getting the error: "Unsuported response from server during flag negotiations" when trying to connect from 1.10.2 client? |
| 23:11.19 | yoyox | Quol: ;=] |
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| 23:11.29 | Quol | hey yoyox :) |
| 23:11.53 | orchid | quol want a match? |
| 23:12.11 | orchid | hi menotume |
| 23:12.13 | Quol | can't right now orchid - I am at work - maybe later on - around 8ish?? |
| 23:12.21 | menotume | hey there |
| 23:12.33 | orchid | ok, we might play dog and meno in an hour |
| 23:12.52 | orchid | so after that if your still around |
| 23:13.41 | Quol | OK - I am leaving to go home in a minute, but was just wondering if there was a quick answer as I updated my tournament server with CVS code, and 10.2 clients can't connect anymore....oh well |
| 23:14.22 | menotume | are clients getting something llik: invalid server smg ... flags ... ? |
| 23:14.37 | larsl | Quol: There shouldn't be - I don't think the protocol have changed. |
| 23:14.41 | menotume | that was happening on xmission earlier today |
| 23:14.57 | Quol | hmm - I just restarted the instance and now everything works OK - weird |
| 23:15.11 | Quol | the error was: Unsuported response from server during flag negotiations |
| 23:15.17 | menotume | yep |
| 23:15.29 | menotume | that's what i got trying to connect to xmission today |
| 23:15.40 | menotume | something wrong in the CVS version I guess |
| 23:17.05 | larsl | Quol: But newer clients still worked? |
| 23:17.49 | Quol | larsl: I think so |
| 23:18.09 | Quol | but I just restarted the instance, and 1.10.2 now can connect fine... |
| 23:18.25 | larsl | Ugh, that sounds bad. |
| 23:18.33 | larsl | Will be hard to find it if it's not consistent. |
| 23:18.37 | Quol | CVS was checked out last night..was trying to see if that helped the spawns and other misc thingies |
| 23:19.02 | Quol | I will keep my eye on it to see if I can find a pattern or something |
| 23:19.10 | Quol | maybe after a game finishes that happens |
| 23:19.18 | menotume | it's still happening on xmission :( |
| 23:19.20 | Quol | orchid: you planning on playing on my server.. |
| 23:19.28 | Nidhoggr | server might be forgetting when people /identify |
| 23:19.38 | orchid | i dont know what server we planned on |
| 23:19.58 | Quol | if you are let me know when the game finishes or have someone with 1.10.2 try to log back in after the game ends - to see if that couldbe the cause.. |
| 23:20.28 | orchid | ok |
| 23:20.38 | Quol | also - I noticed that if you have a registered nick - you have to identify or you can't log in - that could get messy though... |
| 23:21.26 | Tupone | orchid: then you can use the autoidentify ! |
| 23:21.30 | orchid | yes |
| 23:21.31 | Nidhoggr | quol. you can change that with the groups stuff |
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| 23:21.55 | Quol | Nidhoggr: will look into that.. |
| 23:22.40 | larsl | menotume: I get it too, with the latest CVS version. I'll see if I can get some debug data. |
| 23:23.20 | menotume | hmmm wonder what caused it |
| 23:24.17 | Tupone | the only things made, IIRC, is the idle kick |
| 23:25.37 | larsl | What package type has ID 28007 (in base 10) ? |
| 23:25.48 | Quol | time for me to go home - see you all later..... |
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| 23:26.02 | menotume | bye, Quol |
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| 23:28.15 | TimRiker | current clients assume teamid == flagid. |
| 23:28.26 | TimRiker | current server allows that to not be the case. |
| 23:28.39 | TimRiker | that's a Bad Thing. |
| 23:28.40 | shkoo | quol: it's the idle thing. i committed the fix this morning. |
| 23:29.59 | larsl | TimRiker: Should server or client be fixed? |
| 23:31.00 | Tupone | I think old client should connect to new server, otherwise we are breaking protocol |
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| 23:37.04 | SportChick | hrm |
| 23:37.07 | larsl | Looks like the clients receive a MsgMessage when they expect an MsgNegotiateFlags. |
| 23:37.29 | SportChick | I'm getting a substantial increase in lag since the server update and installing latest windows compile |
| 23:37.33 | SportChick | (from this morning) |
| 23:37.46 | SportChick | usually I run at 45-60ms. Now I'm running at almost 200ms |
| 23:37.53 | SportChick | (I'm on cable) |
| 23:37.59 | TimRiker | hmm. might be issues there. server should not send a MsgMessage if the client is not ready for it. |
| 23:38.18 | larsl | TimRiker: How fresh is the xmission server code? |
| 23:38.37 | Patlabor221 | SportChick, has your FPS count gone down? |
| 23:38.47 | SportChick | how do I check that? |
| 23:38.47 | TimRiker | check the date on the srvmsg. it is CVS from no more than a half hour before that. |
| 23:38.54 | SportChick | I know you said earlier, but I forget |
| 23:38.59 | Patlabor221 | hit T to bring up the FPS counter |
| 23:39.03 | Patlabor221 | or I think it's T |
| 23:39.28 | SportChick | yes it is |
| 23:39.29 | TimRiker | larsl: xmission keeps rebuilding the server, and the it loads the new server code whenever everyone leaves. |
| 23:39.36 | SportChick | while I was watching it went 24...18...9 |
| 23:39.36 | larsl | Timezone? |
| 23:39.52 | SportChick | I think it used to run around 45 |
| 23:40.00 | SportChick | but am not positive |
| 23:40.05 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 23:40.07 | Patlabor221 | same map? |
| 23:40.07 | TimRiker | hmm. us/central. I thought I had it set to GMT. |
| 23:40.08 | SportChick | I KNOW it was always 2 digits |
| 23:40.11 | SportChick | yes |
| 23:40.15 | SportChick | identical |
| 23:40.24 | Patlabor221 | what quality are you at in the options? |
| 23:40.25 | larsl | Is that GMT-7? |
| 23:40.33 | SportChick | hold on..I'll pull it up and tel |
| 23:40.35 | SportChick | tell you |
| 23:40.35 | TimRiker | larsl: yep. |
| 23:40.49 | SportChick | medium |
| 23:40.57 | larsl | OK, I suppose that it could be before shkoo's fix then. |
| 23:41.02 | Patlabor221 | is this on your desktop or latop? |
| 23:41.07 | SportChick | which is what we were running on yesterday...desktop |
| 23:41.11 | Patlabor221 | try high |
| 23:41.23 | SportChick | you serious? won't that slow it down even more? |
| 23:41.26 | Patlabor221 | yes, but I changed what those options |
| 23:41.28 | Patlabor221 | posibly not |
| 23:41.30 | TimRiker | gotta head home. |
| 23:41.43 | Patlabor221 | depends on your rendering systems |
| 23:41.51 | larsl | TimRiker: Force a rebuild of xmission if you have the time, I can't connect with latest CVS client. |
| 23:42.01 | Patlabor221 | the stuff that is fast for software sytems can be slow for hardware |
| 23:42.05 | Patlabor221 | what video card do you have? |
| 23:42.08 | larsl | It sends text messages during flag negotiation. |
| 23:43.21 | SportChick | it now is running between 12 and 26, with the most time between 16 and 18. What is desireable, high or low? |
| 23:43.37 | Patlabor221 | what video card do you ahve? |
| 23:44.07 | SportChick | how do I shrink program so I can do something else in windows? |
| 23:44.14 | SportChick | need to check video card |
| 23:44.22 | Patlabor221 | usualy hit the minimise button |
| 23:44.27 | Patlabor221 | if it's BZ hit alt + tab |
| 23:45.25 | SportChick | Pat: it's a Rage Fury Pro/Xpert 2000 Pro video card |
| 23:45.37 | Patlabor221 | hmm let me check that one out |
| 23:45.40 | SportChick | k |
| 23:45.46 | SportChick | I'll brb in the meantime |
| 23:46.46 | Patlabor221 | and you used to run medium, with textures on or off? |
| 23:47.29 | Patlabor221 | ok it's a fill card only TNT2 class |
| 23:47.39 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 23:47.44 | SportChick | we've run various options |
| 23:47.56 | Patlabor221 | did textures on/off make any diff for you? |
| 23:48.12 | SportChick | but two compiles ago (from last Friday I think) we were running with the full blown thing and not a problem |
| 23:48.26 | Patlabor221 | well that would be what "high" is now |
| 23:48.36 | Patlabor221 | do you know what your texturing mode was set to? |
| 23:48.37 | SportChick | I should have also said when I switched to high res, just now, my lag went from 190ms to 162ms, but still might higher than what I would have expected |
| 23:48.47 | Patlabor221 | was it the liniar mipmap linear ? |
| 23:49.16 | Patlabor221 | well you are not running as good FPS as you should be |
| 23:49.18 | SportChick | textures on/off doesn't seem to make a huge difference. |
| 23:49.25 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if it's the texture mode |
| 23:49.28 | SportChick | you asking about map just now? |
| 23:49.55 | Patlabor221 | if it's the same map it shouldn't mater |
| 23:50.12 | Patlabor221 | try this, add set textureFilterMode "1" to your config and try it at high |
| 23:50.15 | Patlabor221 | see if that helps |
| 23:50.25 | SportChick | I actually don't even HAVE a mapping option listed in options in this compiel...weird |
| 23:50.35 | Patlabor221 | yes that is what I removed |
| 23:50.51 | Patlabor221 | it's now textures on for high or better |
| 23:51.01 | SportChick | so it should read "set textuture FilterMode "1""? or without the brackets on 1? |
| 23:51.55 | SportChick | btw, I had to log back in because idling too long...and without even PLAYING...just have it running in background, I'm at 163ms |
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| 23:53.12 | larsl | If you aren't playing, you are idling. =) |
| 23:53.24 | SportChick | Pat: where does the config file now reside? |
| 23:53.46 | Patlabor221 | my documents\my bzflag files\ |
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| 23:54.20 | SportChick | oops...closed by mistake...hold on...gonna try and find it...can you tell me what to say again (sorry) |
| 23:54.43 | Patlabor221 | my documents\my bzflag files\ |
| 23:55.13 | SportChick | no, the part that was "set Texturewhatever" |
| 23:55.25 | Patlabor221 | try this, add set textureFilterMode "1" to your config and try it at high |
| 23:57.11 | SportChick | okay, I did that... |
| 23:57.23 | Patlabor221 | any change? |
| 23:57.28 | SportChick | lagstats at 164ms, fps ranging from 26 down to 6 |
| 23:57.33 | SportChick | onscreen lag is horrid |
| 23:57.33 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 23:57.45 | Patlabor221 | ok try seting it to 0 |
| 23:57.51 | Patlabor221 | it may not be antying I changed then |
| 23:57.51 | SportChick | k..hold on |