| 00:00.16 | TimRiker | that sounds good to me. without a path, yes? |
| 00:00.23 | TimRiker | would they take a path? |
| 00:00.25 | Patlabor221 | yes, the have no path now |
| 00:00.40 | Patlabor221 | the texture loader knows what paths to search |
| 00:00.40 | Patlabor221 | just the name |
| 00:01.52 | Patlabor221 | the other thing I'd like to do is remove the practice of using gray textures with geo color |
| 00:01.59 | Patlabor221 | would make the code a lot cleaner |
| 00:02.36 | Patlabor221 | like the ground texture |
| 00:02.36 | TimRiker | now that we have a compressed image format, that's not a big deal. |
| 00:02.40 | TimRiker | fine with me. |
| 00:02.54 | Patlabor221 | well it means loading 2 textures, it's more texture mem |
| 00:02.56 | Patlabor221 | but not much |
| 00:02.59 | TimRiker | 2? |
| 00:03.09 | Patlabor221 | for normal ground, and the PZ ground |
| 00:03.17 | Patlabor221 | that's one reason the ground is done like that |
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| 00:03.28 | Patlabor221 | I have it loading 2 images for them if it finds them |
| 00:03.29 | TimRiker | ah. forgot PZ stuff. I was thinking tank camo |
| 00:03.40 | Patlabor221 | tank camo is the other place it's used |
| 00:03.47 | Patlabor221 | so that is more texture mem |
| 00:03.55 | Patlabor221 | but they look a lot better with real textures |
| 00:03.55 | TimRiker | still fine. |
| 00:03.57 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:03.59 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 00:04.04 | Patlabor221 | that sould make it much nicer |
| 00:04.15 | TimRiker | then we can add some other color highlights too. |
| 00:04.33 | Patlabor221 | yes, my high res textures uput some color variants |
| 00:04.47 | Patlabor221 | like green has some tan in the cammo |
| 00:04.47 | Patlabor221 | looks really good |
| 00:04.47 | TimRiker | yeah, I noticed. they look nice. |
| 00:05.01 | Patlabor221 | and the grass dosn't have to be that uniform green |
| 00:05.06 | TimRiker | ;-) |
| 00:05.14 | Patlabor221 | is it OK to increase the res of the standard textures for those thigns? |
| 00:05.21 | Patlabor221 | like up to 128x128 |
| 00:06.10 | TimRiker | going to move the pointer to a rotating rendered tank in higher modes? |
| 00:06.22 | TimRiker | what are they now? |
| 00:06.30 | Patlabor221 | 64x64 |
| 00:07.01 | Patlabor221 | right now it uses what ever the pointer image is, if it's not square, it asumes it's animated, and calcuates how many frames are in it |
| 00:08.41 | Patlabor221 | this is a zip containing the set of textures I was playing with |
| 00:08.41 | Patlabor221 | http://ryoko.bakadigital.com/temp/alternate.zip |
| 00:09.14 | bryjen | needs its filenames updated |
| 00:09.18 | Patlabor221 | tho I have a better idea for the bast top textures |
| 00:09.20 | Patlabor221 | does it? |
| 00:09.25 | bryjen | i think so |
| 00:09.32 | Patlabor221 | I updated it recently for nidhoger |
| 00:09.35 | Patlabor221 | like yesteday |
| 00:09.36 | bryjen | rtank -> red_tank |
| 00:09.47 | Patlabor221 | ohh I think you got the old one |
| 00:09.54 | Patlabor221 | that file should be updated and larger now |
| 00:10.01 | Patlabor221 | I just did the same name |
| 00:10.13 | Patlabor221 | it has base top textures now :) |
| 00:10.46 | Patlabor221 | tho I don't like them |
| 00:12.12 | Patlabor221 | has a replacement logo too :) |
| 00:12.29 | Noodleman | anyone up for a match against the great annihilation? |
| 00:12.51 | Noodleman | Carnage_, david_v, anybody? |
| 00:12.54 | bryjen | ah. correct names. and _basetops |
| 00:13.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:13.15 | Patlabor221 | and an animated pointer sample |
| 00:13.28 | Patlabor221 | tho it looks like a tank humping the letters |
| 00:13.57 | bryjen | heh |
| 00:14.28 | bryjen | cannon barrel..... |
| 00:15.12 | Patlabor221 | it would be cool if we could use those higher repeat textures as the defaults this time |
| 00:15.32 | TimRiker | hmm. I think 64x64 is fine for default images. let's leave it there for the moment. |
| 00:15.57 | TimRiker | adding support to read larger textures is fine. I'm just concerned with DL times for slow connect people. |
| 00:16.29 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:16.50 | Patlabor221 | I was gonna make 2 versions of the windows installer, one with the normal, and one with higher res |
| 00:17.01 | TimRiker | that would be ok with me. |
| 00:17.30 | TimRiker | or one with no textures. ;-) |
| 00:17.58 | Patlabor221 | the "I ain't got DSL" version? |
| 00:18.00 | TimRiker | "On a stinking modem with software rendering? Have we got the download for you!" |
| 00:18.39 | Patlabor221 | well the DL will get larger even with small textures if I take out the coloring thing, but not by much |
| 00:19.51 | Patlabor221 | the high res textures are 3.11k, the old texture is 1.41k |
| 00:19.58 | Patlabor221 | so we are talking about adding 20k |
| 00:20.08 | Patlabor221 | for tank textures |
| 00:20.19 | Patlabor221 | less if we go all low res |
| 00:20.30 | Patlabor221 | probably like adding 10k |
| 00:20.39 | Patlabor221 | does 20k really matter? |
| 00:21.08 | Patlabor221 | the cammo compresses REALLY well it seems :) |
| 00:21.16 | TimRiker | if the high res ones get more detailed they would be bigger. |
| 00:21.37 | TimRiker | if they are not to detailed, then it does not make much difference if they are low res. |
| 00:21.39 | Patlabor221 | yes those comparisons are betwenn the curren 64x64 texture and a 128x128 |
| 00:21.48 | Patlabor221 | going to 128 on the cammo adds 1.5k |
| 00:22.02 | Patlabor221 | x6 |
| 00:22.22 | TimRiker | take your current 128x128 and resample it to a 64x64. can you see a difference? I expect not. |
| 00:22.41 | Patlabor221 | well my 128 texture isn't just a scale of the old |
| 00:22.46 | TimRiker | well, you would not notice the difference... |
| 00:22.46 | Patlabor221 | I redid it with a higher repeat |
| 00:23.02 | TimRiker | I understand. I mean resampling your down. |
| 00:23.03 | Patlabor221 | in this case yes, if I resample down it's not the same as the old |
| 00:23.31 | TimRiker | not the same, agreed. but to the casual observer it's probably not noticable. |
| 00:24.03 | TimRiker | ever notice that all the SB images are chopped off on the right side? |
| 00:24.18 | Patlabor221 | never really see SB |
| 00:24.34 | Patlabor221 | hmm I have to do the resample at home |
| 00:24.43 | Patlabor221 | this PNG writer seems screwed |
| 00:24.50 | Patlabor221 | made the file larger |
| 00:25.15 | TimRiker | huh? sampling down made it larger? oh... yeah if you antialias it would. |
| 00:26.04 | TimRiker | gotta force the same palette. well, it's not a big deal. happy to have the new textures. since you are doing the work, feel free to use large ones if you like. ;-) |
| 00:26.21 | Patlabor221 | photoshop CS kinda sucks |
| 00:26.32 | TimRiker | I would like to use an animated image for animations instead of the multi image image. |
| 00:26.44 | TimRiker | png does animations, yes? |
| 00:26.47 | Patlabor221 | animated PNG? |
| 00:26.54 | Patlabor221 | I think one version of it supports it |
| 00:26.59 | Patlabor221 | they get large in textures tho |
| 00:27.11 | Patlabor221 | it's ether that or gif |
| 00:27.24 | Patlabor221 | or make it a model like 1.8 had |
| 00:28.20 | Patlabor221 | file dif between 128x128 and 64x64 is 788 bytes |
| 00:28.32 | Patlabor221 | for purple_tank.png |
| 00:28.57 | TimRiker | spending too much effort on size analysis... use what you got and write the code. ;-) whatever you like is fine. we can always change em later. |
| 00:29.10 | Patlabor221 | this is true :) |
| 00:30.13 | TimRiker | there was a MNG that was animated or we could do a _frame_n.png hack... not a big deal, just a passing thought. let's get the meshes in and worry about something else later. |
| 00:30.43 | david_v | Noodleman: too late for me :( |
| 00:30.52 | Patlabor221 | hey as long as its local for you, fine :) |
| 00:30.58 | david_v | Noodleman: cya later though... going to bed now |
| 00:31.18 | Noodleman | david_v: ok |
| 00:31.23 | TimRiker | well. great work everyone (cept MAC causing my server to crash). back on later tonight. |
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| 00:32.53 | whatah | ok, it seems X isn't bitching about my joystick. How do i enable it in bzflag now? |
| 00:33.02 | whatah | bzflag -joystickname /dev/js0 -joystick 1 |
| 00:33.03 | whatah | ? |
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| 00:49.19 | michaelhhh | so why do we pronounce monk as munk? |
| 00:50.11 | michaelhhh | don't make me open another bug report... |
| 00:50.16 | michaelhhh | :) |
| 00:54.04 | michaelhhh | People are a little mellow after a long hard day at work huh? |
| 00:59.38 | michaelhhh | having attachment issues? |
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| 01:03.38 | whatah | what the shirt is a bzgirl? |
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| 01:05.49 | freelancer | carnage you here |
| 01:06.25 | michaelhhh | she has treads |
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| 01:06.35 | whatah | michaelhhh: i see |
| 01:06.45 | michaelhhh | so beware |
| 01:06.50 | freelancer | carnage you here |
| 01:07.03 | michaelhhh | you might also ask was a pimpinella is |
| 01:07.23 | michaelhhh | or a yoyox |
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| 01:29.38 | michaelhhh | . |
| 01:38.48 | michaelhhh | . |
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| 01:40.41 | michaelhhh | .? |
| 01:43.44 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (std_ground.png zone_ground.png): Seperate ground images for nomral and zoned states. |
| 01:45.28 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (BackgroundRenderer.cxx BackgroundRenderer.h bzflag.cxx): |
| 01:45.29 | CIA-1 | make ground use only the standard and zone ground textures |
| 01:45.29 | CIA-1 | add ground texture names to BZDB |
| 01:45.29 | CIA-1 | add inital support for user specified/map specified ground textures. |
| 01:45.29 | CIA-1 | remove useColorTexture, key on if texturing is on, allways use color from texture for textured ground. |
| 01:47.44 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (7 files): per team textures for tanks. |
| 01:48.26 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ground.png: remove old unused single channel ground texture |
| 01:53.53 | michaelhhh | --- NEW FILE: std_ground.png --- |
| 01:53.54 | michaelhhh | PNG |
| 01:53.54 | michaelhhh | |
| 01:54.02 | michaelhhh | V$zL.xa0&^** |
| 01:54.02 | michaelhhh | qݐo$ |
| 01:54.02 | michaelhhh | -]>;楥lz_2+":]n䶮KsU |
| 01:54.02 | michaelhhh | zm |
| 01:54.10 | michaelhhh | etc.. |
| 01:54.19 | Patlabor221 | but I added it -kb |
| 01:54.34 | michaelhhh | I don't know anything about it :) |
| 01:54.42 | Patlabor221 | cvs add -kb blue_tank.png green_tank.png hunter_tank.png purple_tank.png rabbit_tank.png red_tank.png rouge_tank.png |
| 01:54.49 | Patlabor221 | thats right from the log |
| 01:55.31 | michaelhhh | like I said I don't know, but I can read your binary files right in the commit message :) |
| 01:56.01 | michaelhhh | for all I know it worked |
| 01:57.02 | scanline | michaelhhh: is that from the mailing list? it could be that script just doesn't check whether a file is binary... |
| 01:57.33 | michaelhhh | from the digest mailing |
| 01:58.14 | michaelhhh | so you are the scriptkeeper? |
| 01:59.15 | Patlabor221 | well I'll work on the rest tomorow |
| 01:59.28 | Patlabor221 | gotta change all the things to shuffle around strings now |
| 01:59.42 | Patlabor221 | instead of const char* |
| 02:00.05 | michaelhhh | it uses const char for names of textures and things? |
| 02:00.15 | michaelhhh | Or this is a separate issue? |
| 02:00.40 | Patlabor221 | it was using them since it was in the code as get("ground") |
| 02:00.48 | michaelhhh | ah so |
| 02:00.56 | Patlabor221 | but I'm puting it all in BZDB so no need for that |
| 02:01.04 | Patlabor221 | just can shuffle around strings |
| 02:01.06 | scanline | michaelhhh: I write/maintain CIA, I don't do anything with the mailing list |
| 02:01.35 | michaelhhh | cool |
| 02:02.00 | michaelhhh | Does it save anything to use char * instead of strings? |
| 02:02.10 | michaelhhh | The server is full of them |
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| 02:42.18 | Noodleman | nope, the bzflag gods weren't with us today |
| 03:09.45 | MrApathyCream | anyone know if the xmission join problem still exists? |
| 03:16.01 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: sanity checks |
| 03:20.50 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: more sanity checks |
| 03:29.33 | bryjen | join problem, MrApathyCream ? |
| 03:29.44 | bryjen | the positioning or something else? |
| 03:30.09 | MrApathyCream | tim was saying that bzfs was crashing |
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| 03:30.37 | corndawg | heyas all |
| 03:30.44 | MrApathyCream | het |
| 03:30.59 | MrApathyCream | so bryjen, this spawn anomoly, when does it happen? |
| 03:31.06 | MrApathyCream | is it always reproducable |
| 03:31.52 | bryjen | always for red and green, when they should be going back to base (1st join, or flag captured). the X and Z coords seem ok. |
| 03:31.57 | corndawg | heyas MrApathyCream |
| 03:32.12 | MrApathyCream | so if i join hix as red, i will spawn in air? |
| 03:32.24 | bryjen | yep, off to the right of your base |
| 03:33.35 | bryjen | red and green are full :( |
| 03:34.16 | MrApathyCream | hmmm did it on my own copy... you are correct |
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| 03:51.08 | MrApathyCream | aah here's a problem *blush* |
| 03:52.16 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 03:52.33 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 03:53.03 | Chikorita | ~bzflist |
| 03:53.16 | Chikorita | ~quol |
| 03:53.58 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack reeses peices |
| 03:53.58 | | thanks, Chikorita |
| 03:54.03 | Chikorita | yw :) |
| 03:55.31 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: oops, don't delete the bases when the last player leaves, if it's a bzw world |
| 03:55.57 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:56.11 | MrApathyCream | hmm, still spawning off the base tho |
| 03:56.16 | MrApathyCream | but i think that that is the crash |
| 03:56.26 | MrApathyCream | okies, looking at spawn location |
| 03:57.02 | MrApathyCream | wonder what's special about red and green |
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| 03:58.38 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, they're all rotated by 45, so thats not it |
| 04:02.25 | MrApathyCream | so sample red spawn pos = { -339, -235, 30 } |
| 04:02.29 | MrApathyCream | is that valid? |
| 04:02.31 | MrApathyCream | lessee |
| 04:02.46 | MrApathyCream | no the y is wacked |
| 04:02.51 | MrApathyCream | hmmm y? |
| 04:02.53 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 04:03.22 | MrApathyCream | hehehe |
| 04:03.25 | MrApathyCream | i gots it |
| 04:06.12 | MrApathyCream | does xmission still do automatic rebuilds? |
| 04:06.26 | bryjen | i think so. donno. |
| 04:06.41 | MrApathyCream | well bugs should be fixed |
| 04:06.50 | bryjen | ugh. i cant get a local server to run. :( |
| 04:07.38 | bryjen | it locks up. no listening port open, ctl-c don't stop it. have to kill -9 |
| 04:09.09 | bryjen | hmm. not locked. spinning the CPU quite a bit. |
| 04:09.24 | bryjen | loopy |
| 04:10.47 | bryjen | hmm -cr works. i guess it didn't like my world file. |
| 04:14.58 | bryjen | whoops team <team _number_ > as in 0 not "red" |
| 04:18.44 | MrApathyCream | they should words 'red' anyway |
| 04:19.19 | MrApathyCream | it's color 1 anyway |
| 04:19.49 | bryjen | yeah. that's the next thing i found. 1 based |
| 04:20.08 | MrApathyCream | 0 = rogue |
| 04:20.13 | bryjen | ah |
| 04:20.41 | bryjen | just "red" would be simpler ;) |
| 04:23.00 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:23.18 | MrApathyCream | :*( i still don't see any base textures |
| 04:24.03 | bryjen | Do you have Pat's alternate.zip ? |
| 04:24.09 | bryjen | with the png's |
| 04:24.24 | bryjen | for the data/alternate dir |
| 04:24.29 | MrApathyCream | in cvs? |
| 04:24.39 | bryjen | i dont think so |
| 04:24.48 | MrApathyCream | then, no |
| 04:25.27 | bryjen | http://ryoko.bakadigital.com/temp/alternate.zip |
| 04:25.45 | bryjen | do you not have camoflaged tanks then? |
| 04:25.49 | MrApathyCream | ah in cvs |
| 04:25.54 | MrApathyCream | i have the tanks |
| 04:25.57 | bryjen | ~spell camoflaged |
| 04:25.59 | | possible spellings for camoflaged: camouflaged camouflages camouflage camouflager camouflage's camouflagers |
| 04:26.06 | MrApathyCream | had to do an explicit co of alternate dir |
| 04:26.29 | bryjen | they may not be in there |
| 04:27.26 | MrApathyCream | no, |
| 04:27.37 | MrApathyCream | two where but i didn't see anything really diff |
| 04:28.23 | MrApathyCream | where is the gruff but loveable one |
| 04:28.56 | bryjen | i think Pat said he'd 'borrowed' these from somewheres and didn't want them in CVS 'cuz of GPL issues |
| 04:29.23 | MrApathyCream | .msg memoserv send PatLabor221 the tank textures are awesome! you rox0rs |
| 04:29.27 | MrApathyCream | oops |
| 04:29.53 | bryjen | or maybe they were just a first whack to demo the feature and he's working on something better.... |
| 04:30.09 | MrApathyCream | he is a perfectionist when it comes to models//textures |
| 04:53.57 | learner | howdy mac, what's the news? |
| 04:54.11 | MrApathyCream | heya |
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| 04:54.16 | MrApathyCream | fixed a few |
| 04:54.20 | learner | i heard there were serious server issues |
| 04:54.32 | MrApathyCream | i think they may be fixed |
| 04:54.39 | learner | cool |
| 04:54.45 | learner | hiya SportChick |
| 04:54.52 | MrApathyCream | patlabor's new tank tex's are sw33t |
| 04:55.03 | learner | he commited new ones? |
| 04:55.15 | MrApathyCream | new to me |
| 04:55.54 | SportChick | hi learner |
| 04:56.04 | learner | hrm.. ascii images again |
| 04:56.10 | MrApathyCream | no -k? |
| 04:56.58 | learner | hrm. maybe someone already fixed |
| 04:57.10 | learner | i see -kb sticky set |
| 05:00.23 | bryjen | hehe ascii-art bzflag |
| 05:00.31 | learner | something about you winderz folks submiting images doesn't sit well with the syncmail |
| 05:01.13 | MrApathyCream | no idear |
| 05:01.30 | bryjen | there was discussion on that earlier. they looked borked in the mail message but were ok in the cvs store |
| 05:01.59 | learner | probably a /n/r after the PNG header |
| 05:02.03 | learner | confuses the script |
| 05:02.24 | learner | since it starts out looking like a half-normal data file |
| 05:02.28 | learner | er, text |
| 05:02.45 | bryjen | weak file magic. 0a 0d ? must be a text file! |
| 05:02.46 | learner | sf is being rather slow.. |
| 05:03.31 | learner | probably sees 2 line endings in a row and thinks "hey must be text" |
| 05:03.53 | learner | wereas on unix it's just a single /n before the binary |
| 05:06.25 | learner | hrm.. having shot tails technically in front of the shots was actually intentional.. |
| 05:06.51 | learner | it in effect compensates a little for lag |
| 05:07.16 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:08.06 | learner | i pondered centering the tail over the shot point, putting it in the middle, but seemed to defeat the purpose |
| 05:08.13 | learner | cya |
| 05:16.44 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 05:16.50 | bryjen | ~bzflist17 |
| 05:17.42 | bryjen | ~bzfquery 24.58.81.168:5156 |
| 05:18.06 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bzflag.freedomlives.net:5155 |
| 05:31.33 | scanline | yay! |
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| 05:33.02 | MrApathyCream | oops forgot to commit |
| 05:33.04 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/TeamBases.cxx: fix spawning off the the base in ctf |
| 05:34.47 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:34.47 | learner | er, plague *ahem* |
| 05:34.52 | scanline | I'm still working on CIA |
| 05:35.06 | MrApathyCream | a plaque would be nice too, with push pins holdin' em down |
| 05:36.12 | MrApathyCream | so scans, have you other pages with pics or am i the prototype? |
| 05:36.12 | SportChick | I've got a question about the new colors in rabbit... |
| 05:36.37 | MrApathyCream | ya? |
| 05:36.41 | SportChick | You've changed the color of the tanks from rogue to orange. |
| 05:36.55 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:37.00 | SportChick | Will the bullets be changed to orange too? |
| 05:37.04 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:37.20 | MrApathyCream | i suppose they should |
| 05:37.25 | MrApathyCream | what are they now, yellow? |
| 05:37.31 | SportChick | They are yellow now |
| 05:37.44 | learner | heh |
| 05:37.56 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, that means laser, sw, sb as well as normal |
| 05:37.58 | SportChick | if you don't change them to orange, then when people come into rabbit room, they may THINK they are rogue (since there are no mirrors to look in) |
| 05:38.14 | MrApathyCream | and shoot that other team, orange |
| 05:38.16 | SportChick | in which case, you'd still have the tk problem |
| 05:38.20 | SportChick | yep |
| 05:38.28 | MrApathyCream | you gotta a point |
| 05:38.31 | SportChick | :) |
| 05:38.34 | SportChick | gee thanks! ;) |
| 05:38.46 | MrApathyCream | learner: has orange been 'officially' approved? |
| 05:38.47 | SportChick | I'm very pointy |
| 05:41.15 | learner | oof |
| 05:41.29 | learner | hrm who wha? |
| 05:41.49 | MrApathyCream | are we stikcin with orange for hunters? |
| 05:42.44 | bryjen | hmm. there's not a hunter_ bolt laser super_bolt .png the orange comes in with hunter_tank.png and maybe in the code when not using that texture... |
| 05:42.57 | learner | officially? dunno. I think it's been generally agreed to be a good thing -- but probably best to wait until 1.11 once their is a real hunter team to avoid "fixing" a lot afterwords |
| 05:43.02 | MrApathyCream | yah, that needs to be added if orange is sticking |
| 05:43.24 | learner | but heck, what do i know |
| 05:43.28 | MrApathyCream | the world will look like a creamsicle |
| 05:43.32 | SportChick | lol |
| 05:43.34 | learner | there's already a couple hunter textures, no? |
| 05:44.07 | MrApathyCream | not that i'm aware |
| 05:44.11 | mozul | could do a camo green body of the tank and a hunter orange turret. |
| 05:44.38 | learner | yea, hunter_tank.png .. |
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| 05:45.05 | learner | g'mornign tupone |
| 05:45.07 | MrApathyCream | oh ok |
| 05:45.14 | Tupone | morning |
| 05:46.17 | MrApathyCream | prune man |
| 05:46.42 | bryjen | boiled learner |
| 05:46.47 | learner | i probably shouldn't stay in there until I'm just about to pass out, should I? multiple times too.. |
| 05:46.58 | MrApathyCream | prolly not |
| 05:48.03 | SportChick | haha! of course! |
| 05:48.29 | learner | hehe, that's a good clarification -- cause that wasn't what sprung to mind |
| 05:48.44 | bryjen | those don't cover the headlights.... |
| 05:48.47 | MrApathyCream | ;} |
| 05:50.38 | learner | mac, I suppose we should give it another day or two to make sure everything's stable? |
| 05:51.01 | learner | I *sigh*, but it's probably a good thing given the flurry of activity |
| 05:51.25 | SportChick | sorry...I'm not sure what the resolution was of my question? Are you waiting until 1.11? or will it be in 1.10.4? or not at all? |
| 05:51.41 | learner | Oh, hey.. and I've been running with lighting on now for several days with no crashes yet.. I think you're OpenGLTexFont fix did the trick |
| 05:51.56 | learner | SportChick: good question |
| 05:51.58 | MrApathyCream | cool... yes i suppose a few days |
| 05:52.07 | MrApathyCream | SportChick: yeah, not sure what the reso is |
| 05:52.42 | bryjen | orange hunter tanks or orange hunter bullets ? |
| 05:52.51 | MrApathyCream | learner did you see my mail about moving capture to server side, thoughts? |
| 05:53.00 | learner | yep |
| 05:53.32 | learner | SportChick: that really requires a new team -- which breaks the networking protocol |
| 05:53.51 | learner | otherwise they'll still be listed as rogue (unless we do some cheap menu trick/hack) |
| 05:54.06 | SportChick | therefore, 1.11, right? |
| 05:54.17 | SportChick | that's what you're planning to do in 1.11? Make them an actual team? |
| 05:54.20 | learner | before it's "truely" done yes |
| 05:54.35 | learner | but we're trying to fake it in the meantime |
| 05:54.41 | bryjen | The orange is neat, but at that point it might be easier to just make them one of the existing colors |
| 05:54.47 | learner | 1.11 will probably have a 3-6 month development cycle |
| 05:54.48 | SportChick | so, 1.10.4 comes out this weekend...that means that 1.11 will be out next Monday, right? ;) |
| 05:55.07 | MrApathyCream | by the superbowl |
| 05:55.09 | SportChick | awww...you beat me to the punchline |
| 05:55.30 | learner | all of the odd numbered releases are developer releases.. so the entire 1.11.* line would not be released except maybe as test builds |
| 05:56.11 | learner | which doesn't matter, since it will only work with 1.11 servers |
| 05:56.29 | learner | which noboby will be running except a few developers |
| 05:56.48 | MrApathyCream | is 1.12 protocol bustin? |
| 05:57.02 | learner | that was the original plan/idea |
| 05:57.15 | MrApathyCream | yah, seemed like tim was weakening on that resolve |
| 05:57.19 | MrApathyCream | i hope it is |
| 05:57.41 | learner | you hope it does break protocol, you're saying? |
| 05:57.45 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:57.51 | learner | k, me too |
| 05:58.10 | learner | but I'd like to get stuff in a state that should make us have to break protocol less |
| 05:58.25 | MrApathyCream | i dont care--its a game |
| 05:58.33 | learner | heh |
| 05:58.41 | MrApathyCream | forcespeople to upgrade |
| 05:58.57 | MrApathyCream | so you dont hae to carry around old problems |
| 05:59.04 | bryjen | lets new features be less hackish |
| 05:59.05 | SportChick | gotcha |
| 05:59.13 | MrApathyCream | bryjen: yes |
| 05:59.14 | SportChick | hubby's explaining too! getting it typed AND voice |
| 05:59.15 | learner | bz has old problems?! *aghast!" |
| 06:00.22 | MrApathyCream | hmmmm |
| 06:00.49 | mozul | Thought it up when I had to come up with my character name for Diablo |
| 06:01.11 | mozul | Sounded like a good name for a barbarian. |
| 06:01.12 | learner | ah |
| 06:01.14 | learner | heh |
| 06:01.30 | MrApathyCream | a family that plays bz together stays together |
| 06:01.54 | SportChick | btw, wanted to say that 1.10.3 has given us MUCH LESS lag...it's MUCH better in that respect than 1.10.2 |
| 06:01.56 | bryjen | at least within the 300ft required by ethernet |
| 06:01.59 | learner | reminds me of "gozer" for some reason .. |
| 06:02.05 | mozul | ya but now we need TWO new computers |
| 06:02.37 | learner | gozer the gozarian |
| 06:02.37 | MrApathyCream | well at least you know what to get each other for valentines day |
| 06:02.50 | learner | "Are you a god?" |
| 06:03.01 | bryjen | valentine video cards ;) |
| 06:03.03 | MrApathyCream | "when someone asks if you are a god, you say 'yes'" |
| 06:03.16 | learner | =) |
| 06:04.17 | learner | hehe |
| 06:04.21 | bryjen | does your girlfriend sleep above the covers? Three feet above them? |
| 06:04.30 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:04.42 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:04.45 | learner | Venkman! |
| 06:04.52 | bryjen | we have a winner! |
| 06:06.00 | SportChick | that's the name of the movie? |
| 06:06.01 | learner | Are you the Keymaster? [replies:] Not that I know of. [door slams, knocks again] Are you the Keymaster? [replies] Yes! Actually I'm a friend of his. |
| 06:06.29 | MrApathyCream | no, SportChick: Who ya gonna call? |
| 06:06.34 | SportChick | yeah yeah yea |
| 06:06.35 | learner | Mother pus bucket! |
| 06:07.10 | SportChick | hubby just told me |
| 06:07.10 | mozul | Mister sta-puft? |
| 06:07.10 | SportChick | only saw the movie once, if you can believe it |
| 06:07.10 | bryjen | or was it "we've got a live one" which doesn't really fit... |
| 06:07.10 | Nidhoggr | it should not be easy to accidentally silence someone :( |
| 06:07.14 | learner | Don't cross the streams. |
| 06:07.14 | mozul | I painted a scene from it in art class in college. |
| 06:07.15 | SportChick | I had that happen today, nid...I silenced YOU |
| 06:07.17 | MrApathyCream | theres a comic version now http://www.ghostbusters.net/ |
| 06:07.18 | bryjen | hmm |
| 06:07.27 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.33 | bryjen | er |
| 06:07.57 | SportChick | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.11 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.35 | MrApathyCream | poor nids |
| 06:08.54 | SportChick | This is great! I either have a monster in my kitchen or I'm completely crazy |
| 06:09.01 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 06:09.04 | SportChick | awwww poor Nid |
| 06:09.13 | Nidhoggr | we have xmas tree full of teeny baby spiders. |
| 06:09.20 | bryjen | eeek! |
| 06:09.24 | learner | fun |
| 06:09.26 | Nidhoggr | I don't wanna go near it. :( |
| 06:09.27 | MrApathyCream | SportChick: could be both |
| 06:09.32 | SportChick | Hey Wait a Minute! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hold it! Now, are we actually gonna go before a federal judge, and tell him that some moldy Babylonian God is going to drop in on Central Park West, and start tearing up the city? |
| 06:09.48 | SportChick | Samarian, not Babylonian |
| 06:09.54 | Nidhoggr | back to dragon |
| 06:09.55 | learner | heh, pat's textures are pretty in your face |
| 06:09.59 | SportChick | lol |
| 06:10.02 | SportChick | bye nid |
| 06:10.06 | SportChick | hubby won't let me play |
| 06:10.06 | MrApathyCream | learner: sw33t, no? |
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| 06:10.28 | bryjen | y3s, n0 ? |
| 06:10.30 | Nidhoggr | whaaa they all left :( |
| 06:10.37 | learner | they are nice.. /me likes -- although a bit unrealistic to my tastes -- but great looking for gameplay |
| 06:10.42 | SportChick | lol |
| 06:10.54 | Nidhoggr | wiz made some new textures |
| 06:10.57 | SportChick | nid, I'll play...hubby's letting me on his computer |
| 06:11.03 | Nidhoggr | and posted to our list |
| 06:11.05 | MrApathyCream | what a swell guy |
| 06:11.25 | learner | whadn't that nice of him? he deserves a treat |
| 06:12.02 | Nidhoggr | ok |
| 06:12.02 | MrApathyCream | ~mozulsnack |
| 06:12.05 | learner | =} |
| 06:12.07 | learner | hehe |
| 06:12.39 | learner | ibot, hello |
| 06:12.39 | | privet, learner |
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| 06:21.45 | MrApathyCream | um |
| 06:21.45 | Tupone | when we compile with --enable-debug compilation stop |
| 06:22.06 | MrApathyCream | tupone _MSC_VER |
| 06:22.45 | MrApathyCream | can be #if defined(_MSC_VER) |
| 06:24.12 | MrApathyCream | learner: dis you get email not for TeamBases.cc tonite? |
| 06:24.21 | Tupone | will test that at 1.11 |
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| 06:56.10 | MrApathyCream | alritte frellas, sleepy time |
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| 08:20.55 | ninjer_proton | wb Patlabor221 |
| 08:21.05 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 08:21.12 | Patlabor221 | DSL is going all disconecty |
| 08:21.17 | ninjer_proton | so i noticed |
| 08:34.43 | Patlabor221 | donde esta el creama de apathay? |
| 08:34.55 | ninjer_proton | he's actually sleeping |
| 08:35.02 | Patlabor221 | wow |
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| 08:39.01 | Patlabor221 | I was rather suprised that Tim was ok with ditching the color stuff and going for models for the softies |
| 08:39.29 | ninjer_proton | indeed |
| 08:39.38 | ninjer_proton | i'm also surprised he's letting you get rid of the 3dfx stuff |
| 08:39.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 08:40.00 | Patlabor221 | I can't see anyone using one of those anymore, I mean who runs on Pentiums |
| 08:41.09 | Patlabor221 | the voodoo2 had what a max of 12 megs of ram? |
| 08:41.28 | Patlabor221 | and wasn't 4 of that used for framebuffers |
| 08:41.55 | ninjer_proton | something like that |
| 08:42.04 | ninjer_proton | i thought only 6 was available for texture memory |
| 08:42.18 | Patlabor221 | maybe it was 12 megs only in SLI mode |
| 08:42.24 | Patlabor221 | but yeah it was something like that |
| 08:42.26 | Patlabor221 | it was odd |
| 08:42.41 | Patlabor221 | and I can't see it being faster then a P2 300 |
| 08:42.56 | ninjer_proton | well, if all you've got is a p2 300 |
| 08:43.00 | ninjer_proton | a voodoo2 could help :) |
| 08:43.45 | Patlabor221 | so could a PCI GF2MX |
| 08:44.18 | ninjer_proton | true 'nuff |
| 08:59.08 | Patlabor221 | can somone put a world text item on the start server menu for 1.10.4 ? |
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| 10:32.55 | bomber | ,oin |
| 10:33.01 | bomber | ups |
| 10:33.02 | bomber | moin |
| 10:42.44 | Pimpinella | hi momber |
| 10:42.49 | Pimpinella | bomber |
| 10:43.04 | Pimpinella | strmt es bei euch auch? |
| 10:47.57 | bomber | nicht so viel |
| 10:48.11 | bomber | nur bisschen regnen |
| 10:48.27 | bomber | aber super warm....wie im april |
| 10:48.48 | bomber | bei euch? |
| 10:48.55 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 10:49.04 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.26 | Pimpinella | aber in Sddeutschland gehts ja wohl richtig ab momentan |
| 10:53.11 | bomber | yep....Zug hatte verspaetung ...aber nicht viel |
| 10:54.37 | bomber | wie hast du dein problem mit schiessen durch pyramiden geloest? |
| 10:57.21 | Pimpinella | ich habe mich bislang ehrlich gesagt noch nicht drum gekmmert |
| 10:57.39 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: onlyprepare team flags for teams with maxsize>0 |
| 10:59.09 | Pimpinella | aber wenn es ein Client-Problem ist/war knnte es sich mittlerweile von selbst gelst haben, ich hab jedenfalls heute morgen einen neuen cvs-snapshot gebaut und werde es nachher mal probieren |
| 11:02.43 | bomber | ich habe etwas aehnliches von sussi gesehen aber bin ich mir nicht sicher ob ich das nicht getraumt habe (es war nur 1 mal) |
| 11:02.55 | bomber | :o) |
| 11:09.51 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: no team bases for teams with maxsize 0 in classic or random ctf maps |
| 11:39.18 | rooter | so what is this bug that is keeping ducati down? |
| 11:39.52 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CustomBase.cxx TeamBases.cxx TeamBases.h bzfs.cxx): no more pointers in the new teambases code |
| 11:39.53 | bomber | hi root |
| 11:40.09 | rooter | hello |
| 11:42.53 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: make 'checking callsign' message a DEBUG msg |
| 11:43.34 | Pimpinella | Chestal: why? |
| 11:43.50 | Chestal | why what? |
| 11:44.21 | Pimpinella | 'checking callign' a DEBUG message |
| 11:44.29 | Chestal | because it's the right thing to do :-) |
| 11:44.42 | Pimpinella | na dann... |
| 11:44.47 | Chestal | all other message suse this scheme, so you can control via -d if you want to see them |
| 11:45.34 | Pimpinella | ahh |
| 11:46.03 | Pimpinella | so i dont have to compile with --enable-debug to get it further? |
| 11:46.21 | Chestal | no |
| 11:46.27 | Chestal | I made it level 2 |
| 11:46.27 | Pimpinella | good |
| 11:46.33 | Chestal | so, you woudlhave to use -d -d onthe serer |
| 11:46.51 | Chestal | maybe level 1 or 3 woudl be better, *shrug* |
| 11:46.59 | Chestal | and it's onlyoutput now if you have filtering enabled |
| 11:47.12 | Pimpinella | i use the string in my scripts :) |
| 11:47.33 | Pimpinella | would have to change this |
| 11:47.47 | Chestal | I guess you'll have to, then :-) |
| 11:47.55 | Chestal | it really didn't belong where it was |
| 11:48.17 | Chestal | when a player joins and you use -d,you should get lines like |
| 11:48.19 | Chestal | Player Chestal [0] has joined from 141.99.131.69:57419 on 5 |
| 11:48.41 | Pimpinella | i use -d -d anyway :) |
| 11:50.22 | Pimpinella | a query would produce something like Player [0] has joined from 141.99.131.69:57419 on 5 but no callsigen check |
| 11:50.56 | Pimpinella | but the scripts r a little bloody either, so i gonna make them better |
| 11:53.01 | Pimpinella | did anyone manage to send a photo-order to schlecker using linux? $%& |
| 11:53.33 | Pimpinella | neiter the web nor the java-client seems to work |
| 11:55.05 | *** join/#bzflag your_dog (~jake@216-24-106-170.access.naxs.com) |
| 11:55.20 | Pimpinella | woff |
| 11:55.38 | your_dog | morning all |
| 11:55.45 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 11:55.49 | your_dog | :P |
| 12:06.36 | rooter | 3 |
| 12:07.43 | *** join/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp03995358pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 12:21.54 | your_dog | 3? |
| 12:22.14 | Pimpinella | 42? |
| 12:22.43 | your_dog | 1834? |
| 12:37.35 | bomber | someone for ctf ducati? |
| 12:39.33 | Pimpinella | k |
| 12:42.29 | your_dog | :( |
| 12:42.44 | your_dog | i would love to, but my brother is on the fast computer :'( |
| 12:43.55 | bomber | hey pimp....come back |
| 12:43.56 | Pimpinella | dont wanna play no more? |
| 12:43.59 | Pimpinella | k |
| 12:44.02 | bomber | was only sio |
| 12:44.09 | bomber | sio=someone in office |
| 12:48.39 | bomber | sio |
| 13:00.33 | bomber | cant play |
| 13:01.53 | your_dog | g2g |
| 13:01.59 | your_dog | cya'll l8r |
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| 14:24.48 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Grumbler@h-68-165-122-98.MCLNVA23.covad.net) |
| 14:25.13 | Grumbler | good morning, god aften, guten aben......... |
| 14:30.28 | Grumbler | ident request, what you dont think i am me :) |
| 14:32.59 | Grumbler | that probably should have been..... what? you dont think i am me?, but then again punctuation is such a horrible form of symbollic thought control........we need something new................like punctuation v1.1 with new and improved features like smileys :) and symbolic shortcuts and the like..............just a pipe dream i suppose, like many things............i prefer the copper pipe dreams of course, but that is just me |
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| 15:38.32 | Nidhoggr | maybe it's finally time for a new map on secretplace. |
| 15:39.34 | Chestal | my server changes maps several times a day, and no two of them are the same ;-) |
| 15:39.43 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:40.11 | Chestal | although I won't rule out the possibilty that it has seen the same map more than once |
| 15:40.27 | Nidhoggr | those wacky random algos |
| 15:49.45 | SportChick | grrrr..I STILL cant' connect to ducati! Why, oh, why NOT? |
| 15:53.06 | Chestal | SportChic: tryto connect toducati 5155 now please |
| 15:53.43 | SportChick | k |
| 15:54.27 | SportChick | Chestal: I cannot get onto 5155 |
| 15:54.46 | Chestal | SportChick: I do noteven see a connect attempt. What os are you using? |
| 15:55.04 | SportChick | I've tried connecting with both 1.10.2 (w32) and 1.10.3 (w32) |
| 15:55.24 | Chestal | hmm, w32 does not come with many useful tools |
| 15:55.27 | SportChick | I always get the same error: Connection failed. Error connecting to server |
| 15:55.35 | Chestal | you coudl try a simpel traceroute, but probably won't be very enlightening |
| 15:55.50 | Chestal | the TCP level communication does notwork for some reason |
| 15:56.00 | Chestal | try tracert ducati.bzflag.org |
| 15:56.20 | Chestal | or whatever this command is spelled on windows to fit into 8 chars |
| 15:56.50 | SportChick | hold on... |
| 15:57.03 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@c537501a3.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 15:58.45 | SportChick | requests are timing out on third hop and beyond |
| 15:59.15 | Chestal | ducati resolves to 141.99.42.48 for you? |
| 15:59.49 | Chestal | traceroutes to other hosts don't fail so early I assume? |
| 16:00.07 | SportChick | no, it gets only to 24.48.9.145 |
| 16:00.21 | sussudio | how do i prevent people from downloading my server's map? |
| 16:00.26 | SportChick | I have no problems with connecting to other servers...just to ducati |
| 16:00.37 | Chestal | sussudio: stop the server ;-), you cannot |
| 16:00.49 | SportChick | but haven't tried specifically tracerouting others |
| 16:00.51 | sussudio | bah. |
| 16:01.32 | Chestal | SportChick: I woudl assuem that traceroute displays the ducati ip in the first line, notsure if win tracerotue does it |
| 16:01.54 | Chestal | SportChick: try a traceroute to somewhere else like www.ibm.com and see if it fails later |
| 16:02.36 | Nidhoggr | some ISPs block the type of traceroute that windows does. |
| 16:03.45 | Chestal | yes, sadly enough it used ICMP echo IIRC instead of UDP |
| 16:04.13 | SportChick | yes, it displays that it is trying to route to 141.99.42.48 when I try to get to ducati. |
| 16:04.17 | Chestal | my university blocks incoming ICMP echo packets, too, but his fails earlier, so I want tocompare with a different target |
| 16:04.27 | Nidhoggr | yup |
| 16:04.41 | Chestal | tcptraceroute would be the best tool |
| 16:04.57 | Nidhoggr | I can try to connect to ducati with bzadmin from here. what is addy/port? |
| 16:05.05 | Chestal | 5155 |
| 16:05.09 | Chestal | it will work |
| 16:05.24 | Chestal | I suspect that some ISP's routing is messed up |
| 16:05.35 | SportChick | no, it's failing at the same place to www.ibm.com |
| 16:05.39 | Chestal | ah, hmm |
| 16:06.02 | SportChick | where is your server located? |
| 16:06.07 | Chestal | Germany |
| 16:06.13 | SportChick | hmmm... |
| 16:06.37 | Chestal | you are tryign this from the same host your irc client is running on? |
| 16:07.02 | Chestal | hmm, interesting |
| 16:07.19 | Chestal | when I try totraceroute to 68.68.214.255, it fails locally |
| 16:07.34 | Chestal | maybe my university's routing is messed up |
| 16:07.44 | SportChick | I'm trying to figure out how to answer you. I am running from behind same router. I've tried the tracert from both THIS computer (my laptop) and from hubby's computer (which is the one I normally play on). |
| 16:08.06 | Nidhoggr | it connected for me with bzadmin |
| 16:08.07 | SportChick | Both with the same result...time out after 2nd hop |
| 16:08.39 | Nidhoggr | sportchick, I'd call your ISP and ask them what's wrong. they may have a bgp session down or something. |
| 16:08.50 | Chestal | it's most probably a localproblem here |
| 16:08.55 | Nidhoggr | or they might be inept at routing. |
| 16:08.57 | Chestal | investigating... |
| 16:09.13 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.13 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.46 | Chestal | hmm, it doesn't like the .255 |
| 16:09.51 | Chestal | .254.0 etc.all work |
| 16:10.04 | Chestal | that's strange |
| 16:10.14 | SportChick | I tried with bzadmin, too, btw, and it didn't work either |
| 16:11.16 | Nidhoggr | it's wierd... secretplace has been empty all morning. |
| 16:11.17 | SportChick | Nid: We're on Adelphia Cable. That's a big provider...it's hard to believe they haven't resolved any routing problems |
| 16:11.50 | Chestal | looks like our WAN gateway does not forward packets to any *.*.*.255 address |
| 16:12.00 | Nidhoggr | sportchick, I work for one of the largest content distribution providers in the world, and I KNOW that most places can screw up routes. :) |
| 16:12.09 | SportChick | lol |
| 16:12.32 | Chestal | with the host bits all 1, it's usually used for LAN broadcasting |
| 16:12.43 | Chestal | but this really is not the business of our router here, is it? |
| 16:13.15 | ninjer_proton | Chestal: .255 will always be a broadcast |
| 16:13.24 | sussudio | Nidhoggr: the retarded bunch collectively known as my isp has started using the 83.117.* segment, causing many many sites to be unreachable for clients |
| 16:13.44 | Nidhoggr | ugh. that's exciting. |
| 16:13.45 | Chestal | ninjer: SportChick's hostname rsolved to a .255 IP for me |
| 16:14.12 | sussudio | something about 83.117 doesn't go well with routing tables, appearently |
| 16:14.22 | Chestal | I don't know what class of subnet it is in, though |
| 16:14.29 | sussudio | Chestal: i had a .0 IP last week |
| 16:15.08 | Nidhoggr | yeah... our work dhcp used to give out .0 and .255. netmask should have let it work, but they had a lot of problems anyway. |
| 16:16.10 | SportChick | Chestal was that the right IP that I was trying to connect to? |
| 16:16.25 | Chestal | yes |
| 16:16.37 | Nidhoggr | I actually think it previously belonged to someone naughty, and it got black holed a few times, sussudio |
| 16:16.38 | Chestal | the problem is your IP and the universities handling of routing to it |
| 16:16.53 | sussudio | Nidhoggr: whoopee. |
| 16:17.22 | Nidhoggr | yeah. some networks don't really understand proper netmasking/subnetting |
| 16:17.48 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-109-1-13-181.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:17.56 | Nidhoggr | "this is a .255 address. If I reply to it, I'll storm a whole network", etc. |
| 16:18.16 | Nidhoggr | improper filtering. |
| 16:18.31 | Chestal | I'll contact the network guy |
| 16:18.41 | Nidhoggr | cool :) |
| 16:18.47 | Chestal | by email though, and I am pretty sure he's already home for today |
| 16:19.29 | SportChick | I'm on the phone with my IP provider, trying to see if we can resolve it from this end. |
| 16:20.39 | SportChick | the girl on the phone doesn't seem that with it, though |
| 16:20.56 | Chestal | wel, somethign is definitely wrong on this end IMHO |
| 16:22.12 | sussudio | SportChick: she's probably franticly searching through the canned response list for routing problems |
| 16:22.23 | Grumbler | what some people will go through just to play on ducati :) |
| 16:22.59 | Grumbler | do get a free espresso with every hour played or something :) |
| 16:23.31 | SportChick | grrrrr... they've said sorry, we can't helpyou |
| 16:24.04 | Grumbler | SportChick: is your IP fixed?........cant you just turn everything off and get a new IP |
| 16:24.16 | SportChick | according to them, it MUST be a problem with my computer settings if I can't connect to that site and I have internet acces. |
| 16:24.20 | SportChick | no, fixed IP here |
| 16:25.22 | Grumbler | well if your IP is fixed, then it is an issue on Chestal providers end............too bad, you will have to play dragon.org until it is fixed |
| 16:26.02 | Chestal | I mailed the IT guy |
| 16:26.06 | Grumbler | of course, i have been having issues connecting to dragon.org lately, so there is no guarantee there |
| 16:27.23 | Nidhoggr | why's that, grumbler? |
| 16:27.54 | Grumbler | not sure, it just drops..........like someone flipped a switch |
| 16:28.35 | Grumbler | its happened a couple times the last few times i have played. |
| 16:29.05 | SportChick | I've had that happen before, but generally, it was on 1.7 or 1.10.0 or 1.10.2 |
| 16:29.13 | SportChick | I haven't had the problem on 1.10.3 yet |
| 16:29.15 | Grumbler | which is a couple days ago... |
| 16:29.16 | Nidhoggr | we had an issue the other day (sunday) where one of the network engineers hosed our entire facility. |
| 16:30.31 | Grumbler | it was a couple days worth..........hmmm, trying to remember the last time i was on.......... |
| 16:32.03 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: if you change the map on secretplace you may cause a revolt |
| 16:32.12 | sussudio | Grumbler: of joy? |
| 16:33.06 | Grumbler | sussudio: depends on what map is put in its place |
| 16:33.40 | Grumbler | but it better be a good one........madcity etc |
| 16:33.42 | sussudio | anyothermap |
| 16:34.06 | Nidhoggr | grumbler: it's been empty all morning. |
| 16:34.15 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
| 16:34.27 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp03995358pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 16:34.31 | Chestal | ~bzflist17 |
| 16:34.32 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: secretplace empty......wow |
| 16:34.39 | Nidhoggr | exactly |
| 16:34.44 | Nidhoggr | scipio is there testing the bad word filter. |
| 16:34.45 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:35.09 | Nidhoggr | and resetting flags. I just restarted it! |
| 16:35.15 | Nidhoggr | silly boy |
| 16:38.35 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:43.18 | SportChick | Chestal, Nid and all: Thanks for your help on this. Basically, my IP told me "tough luck" we are not changing your subnet address. They refused to acknowledge that there might be a problem with it and have said we can't change, end of story. |
| 16:44.00 | SportChick | I DID find out why the traceroutes didn't work. Apparently the network or equipment we are on in California does not allow traceroutes outside of Cali. |
| 16:44.01 | sussudio | ~bzflist |
| 16:44.15 | SportChick | So, once we got to the second addy, the traceroutes failed. |
| 16:44.15 | Nidhoggr | that's brilliant. |
| 16:44.28 | sussudio | ~bzfquery 83.117.1.163 |
| 16:44.34 | Nidhoggr | it's not the subnet address... it's your IP address that's the problem. |
| 16:44.49 | Nidhoggr | you just need to renew your IP |
| 16:44.55 | Chestal | technically,it's probably not their fault, though |
| 16:45.00 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:45.01 | SportChick | renew? |
| 16:45.08 | Nidhoggr | but they should understand what the problem is. |
| 16:45.14 | Nidhoggr | they have dynamic IPs |
| 16:45.16 | Chestal | let's see what my admin here has to say tomorrow |
| 16:45.22 | Nidhoggr | your router gets a new one off and on. |
| 16:45.32 | *** join/#bzflag richeros (~user@dsl-96-198.br.tiscali.no) |
| 16:45.57 | Pimpinella | could anyone help me testing something on pimpi.org? |
| 16:46.26 | SportChick | fyi, I can't ping ducati either |
| 16:46.55 | *** join/#bzflag your_dog (~jake@216-24-111-129.access.naxs.com) |
| 16:46.57 | Chestal | ICMP echo packets will not pass |
| 16:47.26 | JBdiGriz | It's not the routing to ducati, it's the routing back to adelphia that's causing a problem. |
| 16:47.54 | Nidhoggr | you won't get near ducati, because of the network filter that seems to be in place. |
| 16:48.07 | Nidhoggr | because the network thinks you are a broadcast address. |
| 16:50.01 | Nidhoggr | bug in textures. when you get masq flag, it applies textures on top of old ones, rather than replacing them. |
| 16:50.23 | JBdiGriz | Chestal, can you traceroute to 68.68.214.254 |
| 16:50.24 | Nidhoggr | sticks out like sore thumb. |
| 16:50.53 | Chestal | JBdiGriz: yes,I cannot traceroute to any *.*.*.255 adresses,though |
| 16:51.09 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@208.48.199.220) |
| 16:51.09 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 16:51.28 | JBdiGriz | does it stop before getting to adelphia? |
| 16:51.32 | Chestal | Patlabor: what's #3 then? Or do you think a hint could help me? |
| 16:51.46 | Chestal | JBdiGriz: it stops at the WAN gateway of my university |
| 16:52.10 | Chestal | I suspect a simple filter is in place |
| 16:52.11 | JBdiGriz | it sounds like there are a couple of issues to resolve. |
| 17:00.36 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: sent something for your evaluation, your choice as always |
| 17:01.26 | Nidhoggr | okie. |
| 17:01.29 | Nidhoggr | thanks. :) |
| 17:03.47 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/BUGS: add MQ texture bug |
| 17:04.08 | Patlabor221 | mmmmmm I can get 6 megs down 608 up DSL for 60 a month :) |
| 17:04.36 | Nidhoggr | that's pretty cool |
| 17:04.50 | your_dog | hey Nidhoggr, all of you |
| 17:04.55 | your_dog | bye all :) |
| 17:05.10 | your_dog | have to go eat lunch |
| 17:05.37 | Nidhoggr | hiya |
| 17:05.38 | Nidhoggr | okie. |
| 17:05.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah it is, tho I just redid my year contract with SBC |
| 17:06.05 | Nidhoggr | bummer. |
| 17:06.11 | Nidhoggr | has it been 3 days yet? :) |
| 17:06.18 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 17:06.31 | Nidhoggr | you can terminate any contract within 3 days of signing it. |
| 17:06.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh longer then that |
| 17:06.41 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@83.117.69.229) |
| 17:06.42 | Patlabor221 | last month |
| 17:06.43 | Nidhoggr | keeps people from being held at gunpoint and signing stuff. |
| 17:06.47 | JBdiGriz | Patlabor221, is that with static or dynamic? |
| 17:06.49 | Patlabor221 | static |
| 17:06.54 | Nidhoggr | wow. |
| 17:06.55 | Nidhoggr | nice. |
| 17:06.59 | Patlabor221 | http://www.dslextreme.com/dsl/pricingpbpromo.php |
| 17:07.17 | sussudio | bah it won't give me an ip outside of the 83.117 range. |
| 17:08.45 | Patlabor221 | tho I am thinking that if the 3rd party DSL people are offering this now, SBC will probably offer it soon as well |
| 17:08.46 | JBdiGriz | it looks nice, but i just changed my contract with SBC as well. I'll have to see what they have in a year. I don't think DSL prices will rise. :) |
| 17:08.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:09.12 | Patlabor221 | SBC seems to be at least trying to stay competitive |
| 17:09.22 | JBdiGriz | Having a static IP on the DSL would be nice. I could get rid of the dialup. |
| 17:09.37 | Patlabor221 | they just lowerd my current plan to $35 a month for 1.5 down, 256 up |
| 17:10.08 | JBdiGriz | hrm, i'll have to talk to them about that. They're still charging me $39 a month. |
| 17:10.37 | Patlabor221 | I think I'm on a "you resign up for a year we give you a deal" deal |
| 17:10.52 | JBdiGriz | That's what they gave me as well. |
| 17:11.29 | Patlabor221 | dono then |
| 17:11.31 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (~Chikumz33@205.197.171.225) |
| 17:12.38 | Chikorita | CO iz pretty |
| 17:12.45 | Patlabor221 | I can hit my RT with a rock |
| 17:12.46 | Chikorita | good skiing ther |
| 17:12.56 | GuidedMonkey | Yeah, it is, but I meant the telco's central office |
| 17:13.05 | Chikorita | o |
| 17:13.09 | GuidedMonkey | :-) |
| 17:13.16 | Chikorita | (-: |
| 17:13.36 | Chikorita | iz ibot alive taday?> |
| 17:13.42 | Chikorita | ibot: hello |
| 17:13.42 | | hello, chikorita |
| 17:13.46 | Chikorita | k |
| 17:14.09 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack M&M cookie |
| 17:14.09 | | Chikorita: thanks |
| 17:14.13 | Chikorita | heehe yw |
| 17:14.18 | Chikorita | those r sooo good |
| 17:14.27 | Chikorita | da 1's from da vending machine |
| 17:14.34 | Chikorita | brb |
| 17:14.48 | JBdiGriz | My RT is very close as well, unfortunately there is a huge canyon in the way so the lines route a mile down to the main thoroughfare, and then a mile back. |
| 17:16.32 | *** part/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@83.117.69.229) |
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| 17:20.33 | Patlabor221 | ibot, message for sussudio, don't be an ass, you were doing so well. |
| 17:21.25 | Chikorita | i dunno wut his problem iz |
| 17:21.43 | Chikorita | :( |
| 17:21.46 | JBdiGriz | i think pat has a pretty good idea |
| 17:21.47 | Patlabor221 | he's an angry monkey |
| 17:22.02 | Nidhoggr | he's a nautuddio |
| 17:23.17 | JBdiGriz | maybe he has a bad attituddio? |
| 17:23.26 | Nidhoggr | yup! |
| 17:23.44 | Patlabor221 | I don't care, if he dosn't care for her convos, he can ignore her, just like all the people that don't like his convos do |
| 17:24.00 | Patlabor221 | I've never seen her be rude or an ass to anyone here |
| 17:24.04 | Nidhoggr | he's a snotty fart. |
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| 17:24.28 | JBdiGriz | Nidhoggr, have you looked at the Take Control electronic books that Adam Engst is doing for Mac admins? |
| 17:24.30 | Nidhoggr | good morning, bzg. |
| 17:24.34 | Patlabor221 | he has been better this last time, I think he is learning something, tho I know he's testing his limits |
| 17:24.40 | Nidhoggr | JB, nope. |
| 17:24.48 | Chestal | Patlabor: hint on #3 please :-) |
| 17:25.02 | Patlabor221 | uhh one sec let me find our printout |
| 17:25.05 | orchid | hi |
| 17:25.11 | Chestal | hi orchid |
| 17:25.11 | Patlabor221 | ohh ok, well it's disney |
| 17:25.17 | Patlabor221 | used to be a cartoon |
| 17:25.36 | Patlabor221 | was made into a movie with mathew broderic, then recently make into a DVD only release |
| 17:25.49 | JBdiGriz | $5 for a PDF book, written by leading authors. http://www.tidbits.com/takecontrol/ |
| 17:26.16 | Chestal | I have an idea, but the name escapes me for now, let me think |
| 17:26.30 | Nidhoggr | ~secretplace |
| 17:27.08 | orchid | did the nightmare listserver "exploit" get fixed? |
| 17:27.19 | Nidhoggr | yes, orchid |
| 17:27.49 | SportChick | ~secretplace |
| 17:28.42 | Chestal | Patlabor: actually,I coudl have thought of that |
| 17:29.43 | *** join/#bzflag chatelaine (~aec@dev.gibbscam.com) |
| 17:30.06 | JBdiGriz | hello again :) |
| 17:30.49 | chatelaine | :) gotta go back to work ...cya |
| 17:30.59 | JBdiGriz | bye again :) |
| 17:36.26 | Patlabor221 | who implemented MQ? |
| 17:38.24 | Patlabor221 | NM found it |
| 17:38.33 | Patlabor221 | ohy this is gona be fun |
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| 17:42.47 | Chestal | Patlabor2: a vague hint on #6? |
| 17:42.55 | Nidhoggr | good morning mister tim. |
| 17:44.55 | Patlabor221 | I can't hint on that one as I never saw it |
| 17:45.19 | Patlabor221 | I said it was the movie snatch, it wasn't but that gave the person who knew it the idea of waht it was |
| 17:45.25 | Patlabor221 | as it seems it was a similar movie |
| 17:45.45 | Chestal | ah,hmm, ok |
| 17:48.24 | Patlabor221 | hmm colorblind is gonna have the same issue |
| 17:48.31 | Patlabor221 | what is color blind suposed to do? |
| 17:48.50 | Patlabor221 | makes everyone you see what color? |
| 17:49.29 | Chestal | hmm, been a long time sinceI played with bad flags |
| 17:49.30 | Chestal | rogue? |
| 17:49.56 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 17:50.00 | Patlabor221 | my build is borked |
| 17:50.03 | Patlabor221 | so I can't test it |
| 17:50.24 | Chestal | what's the issue anyway? |
| 17:50.36 | Patlabor221 | when using team color textures they don't work presently |
| 17:51.03 | Patlabor221 | so I need to make it pick a texture in adition to a color |
| 17:51.36 | Patlabor221 | since when pulling colors from the textures we can't do that color blend thing |
| 17:51.44 | Chestal | ah |
| 17:51.53 | Chestal | well, we can try, hold on |
| 17:52.11 | Patlabor221 | ohhh, wow, with user defined models, we have to ensure that all team skins for the model exist |
| 17:52.27 | Patlabor221 | and MQ and CB are gonna be somewhat less usefull |
| 17:52.35 | Patlabor221 | since people will probably remember your model |
| 17:52.43 | Patlabor221 | not the texture |
| 17:52.57 | Patlabor221 | if your the only one in the game with the model, your texture dosn't mater |
| 17:53.14 | Patlabor221 | those 2 flags are based on the fact that everyone uses the same model |
| 17:53.39 | Chestal | hmm, coudl change model, too,but that doesn't make sense when everyone is using a different one anyway |
| 17:53.44 | Chestal | or maybe it does |
| 17:53.51 | Chestal | make alltanks use the default model |
| 17:54.01 | Patlabor221 | when color blind? |
| 17:54.03 | Patlabor221 | or allways? |
| 17:54.16 | Patlabor221 | if allways then what's the point of having models |
| 17:55.02 | Patlabor221 | TimRiker, any thoughts? |
| 17:55.06 | Chestal | yes, CB makes everyoen turn rogue |
| 17:55.09 | Chestal | and the colours are all wrong |
| 17:55.17 | Patlabor221 | what about MQ? |
| 17:55.19 | Chestal | withotu CB, tanks have strange colours |
| 17:55.38 | Chestal | has it changed since yesterday? |
| 17:55.43 | Patlabor221 | well I know CB is busted now, I want to know what its suposed to do |
| 17:55.52 | Patlabor221 | it changed when I did all this texture stuff |
| 17:55.55 | Patlabor221 | I'm fixing it now |
| 17:55.59 | Chestal | Patlabor: not always, only when you pickup CB, you see all tanks with the default model |
| 17:56.05 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:56.10 | Chestal | CB makes all rogue |
| 17:56.11 | Patlabor221 | what to do for MQ then? |
| 17:57.04 | Chestal | well, for textures it's no problem, but for models there probably isn't a good answer |
| 17:57.19 | Chestal | if the team has at least 3 tanks, it could mimick the model of the other teammate |
| 17:57.37 | Patlabor221 | what does MQ do if your the rabbit? |
| 17:57.40 | Patlabor221 | or a hunter? |
| 17:58.00 | Patlabor221 | MQ on a hunter seems pointless |
| 17:58.01 | Chestal | not sure what it's supposed to do |
| 17:58.06 | Chestal | yes, quite silly :-) |
| 17:58.17 | Chestal | when the rabbit has MQ, it should look like a hunter IMHO |
| 17:58.30 | Chestal | what about the hunting feature btw.? |
| 17:58.41 | Patlabor221 | if we need to change textures and models on a per flag status basis, that means the current rending system is not gonna work |
| 17:58.43 | Chestal | does this not defeat mq? |
| 17:58.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah the hunter would defeat that and CB |
| 17:59.09 | Chestal | I hope it doesn't defeat stealth, too |
| 17:59.09 | Patlabor221 | are CB and MQ actualy used flags? |
| 17:59.23 | Chestal | not quite sure what happens when you hutn a tank and it picks up any of these flags |
| 18:00.24 | Patlabor221 | so much for design consitency I guess |
| 18:00.24 | Chestal | used as in 'on server' or 'usedby players'? |
| 18:00.25 | Patlabor221 | both |
| 18:00.25 | Patlabor221 | both would be usefull info |
| 18:00.25 | Patlabor221 | they cause lots of problems |
| 18:00.25 | Chestal | well, CB is a bad flag,so the latter does not apply :-) I guess there are server which run on +s without specifying each single flag |
| 18:00.30 | Chestal | back in the dark ages I used to run my server that way |
| 18:00.32 | Patlabor221 | we are talking about rebuilting lists and stuff based on flag changes |
| 18:01.07 | Patlabor221 | texture changes on a per frame basis |
| 18:01.31 | Patlabor221 | BZ presently only sets textures at object initalisation |
| 18:02.24 | Chestal | and on team change? hunter<->rabbit |
| 18:02.52 | Patlabor221 | that's what I mean per frame basis, it can happen at any time |
| 18:03.06 | Chestal | yes, but that part of code is already active, isn't it? |
| 18:03.14 | Patlabor221 | all it used to cahnge was color |
| 18:03.17 | Patlabor221 | not texture |
| 18:03.30 | Chestal | but it changes now in CVS? |
| 18:03.34 | Patlabor221 | tho I think team change calls add player on the existing player again |
| 18:03.44 | Patlabor221 | so that would work, it would reinit the scene node |
| 18:04.07 | Chestal | if that works, do the same for mq? |
| 18:04.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:04.23 | Chestal | is this an issue of gluing it in with the current rendering model or a speed issue? |
| 18:04.27 | Patlabor221 | I can fix it for textures |
| 18:04.30 | Patlabor221 | models are harder |
| 18:04.32 | Chestal | for CB you'd have to do that for all tanks |
| 18:04.50 | Patlabor221 | it's with the current rendering model |
| 18:04.53 | Patlabor221 | it's not speed |
| 18:05.04 | Patlabor221 | the textures are allready loaded |
| 18:05.16 | Chestal | btw.: data/rouge_tank.png :-) |
| 18:05.22 | Patlabor221 | BZ dosn't seem to do a material sort |
| 18:05.31 | Patlabor221 | ~spell rouge |
| 18:05.32 | | 'rouge' may be spelled correctly |
| 18:05.47 | Chestal | everything that uses list ids or similar stuff has to be redone anyway in next version |
| 18:05.54 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:06.09 | Chestal | ~spell rogue |
| 18:06.09 | | 'rogue' may be spelled correctly |
| 18:06.19 | Patlabor221 | what one is right? |
| 18:06.30 | Chestal | ~dict rogue |
| 18:06.45 | Patlabor221 | ~dict rogue |
| 18:06.46 | Chestal | hmm |
| 18:07.29 | Chestal | it's "rogue" |
| 18:07.37 | Nidhoggr | patlabor, it's should be rogue. it worked after we renamed your file. :) |
| 18:08.01 | Nidhoggr | rouge is what women put on their cheeks. :) |
| 18:09.22 | Patlabor221 | ~k |
| 18:09.26 | | it has been said that k is okay |
| 18:10.44 | JBdiGriz | hey q |
| 18:10.44 | Quol | hwy JB |
| 18:10.44 | Quol | lol |
| 18:10.44 | Quol | hey |
| 18:10.44 | Quol | how's that for a typo :) |
| 18:11.14 | JBdiGriz | hit the road, jack |
| 18:11.54 | Quol | just killing time before the execs show up for a meeting - they are already 11 minutes late :) |
| 18:13.01 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (rogue_tank.png rouge_tank.png): fix rogue tank name |
| 18:13.18 | JBdiGriz | Nidhoggr, did you take a look at those admin books? what did you think? |
| 18:15.58 | Grumbler | secretplace is full again |
| 18:16.25 | Grumbler | well not full, as there are not slots open, just lots of people |
| 18:16.47 | Grumbler | you been hitting the bottle again ibot |
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| 18:34.38 | Nidhoggr | jb: I got dns problems with the hostname, and a bunch of work stuff flooded my inbox, so haven't seen it yet. :( |
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| 18:51.20 | Grumbler | would be nice if when you were in a "drivethrough" building you would be stealth'd as well.......or maybe a separate attribute, a stealth enabling block |
| 18:54.13 | david_v | my opinion is that would be too unfair |
| 18:54.36 | david_v | well, stealth blocks maybe... but not stealth + OO everywhere |
| 18:55.09 | david_v | oh i misunderstood you a bit here... heh :) |
| 18:56.00 | david_v | i sometimes skim through things... like now... nm ;) |
| 18:57.30 | Grumbler | np, just trying to think of other "world" items could be added to create more complex maps |
| 18:58.19 | david_v | yeah. sounds interesting |
| 19:02.08 | Grumbler | thnx, just an idea |
| 19:02.08 | TimRiker | ~dict rouge |
| 19:02.09 | JBdiGriz | TimRiker, it should be a reddish coloring |
| 19:02.09 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:02.09 | Grumbler | TimRiker: be careful, ibot has been on the sauce today |
| 19:02.09 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: hmm. well at the moment, we are just using one model, different that the previous built in code. |
| 19:02.09 | TimRiker | We do have the texture issue though. |
| 19:02.09 | TimRiker | might as well deal with possible model changes there too. |
| 19:02.09 | brlcad | Patlabor221: i like the new tank textures -- nice |
| 19:02.16 | TimRiker | when we get someone picking up MQ we should re-init that player's model. |
| 19:02.22 | ninjer_proton | aren't there 3 tank models? (LoD) |
| 19:02.31 | JBdiGriz | thank you, ibot :) |
| 19:03.01 | TimRiker | the dictionary module on ibot needs work. it waits for some timeout on the other end when he should just give up and return what it has already. |
| 19:03.21 | TimRiker | ninjer_proton: yes, but only one is used for all tanks. |
| 19:04.47 | ninjer_proton | i thought thats what the existing lod stuff did but i've never actually looked at the code :) |
| 19:05.32 | ninjer_proton | i know it did in 1.8 |
| 19:05.37 | ninjer_proton | err, maybe |
| 19:05.37 | ninjer_proton | :) |
| 19:07.03 | brlcad | One would hope the levels are actually used |
| 19:07.13 | brlcad | but I wouldn't take that bet |
| 19:08.48 | GuidedMonkey | Does LOD involve changing the actual model or just how it's rendered? |
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| 19:10.53 | TimRiker | brlcad: they are used if you choose them in the gui setup. the question is if you pick high in the gui setup do medium and low ever get used? |
| 19:11.28 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/BUGS: the filter bug of no suffix matching is kinda significant.. needs to get fixed before release. shame on learner |
| 19:17.09 | Noodleman | is 1.10.4 out yet? |
| 19:18.18 | Nidhoggr | nope. |
| 19:18.23 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:18.27 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:20.55 | Grumbler | Noodleman: what 1.10.3 is not good enough for ya....???? |
| 19:21.03 | Noodleman | haha |
| 19:22.50 | Grumbler | or have you been listening to the rumours that 1.10.4 will include cool new things like fog, windage effects on bullets, quick sand, and a full integrated AI borg processor............. :) |
| 19:23.12 | Noodleman | haha |
| 19:23.27 | Noodleman | i think those things are going to have to wait for 1.11 :-) |
| 19:23.58 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:31.48 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Can freeze client time (sun/stars) if server allow (just define fixedTime) |
| 19:41.19 | Nidhoggr | cool beans |
| 19:41.27 | Grumbler | serious cool beans |
| 19:41.34 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:41.42 | Nidhoggr | speaking of beans, I'm STARVING |
| 19:42.15 | Nidhoggr | heeza ijit |
| 19:42.22 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:42.39 | Grumbler | bless you |
| 19:42.46 | Patlabor221 | and how since we are behind a nat, his computer can listen for what ever port it wants till hell frezes over and noone from outside is ever geting to his machine |
| 19:43.24 | Patlabor221 | have fun |
| 19:44.09 | Noodleman | Grumbler's got an emac coming? |
| 19:45.06 | Grumbler | Noodleman: errr, um.......no, not coming to me..........[christmas/birthday gift]*3years to the nephews |
| 19:45.17 | Noodleman | aah |
| 19:45.55 | Noodleman | yeah, get them started with a good OS early :-) |
| 19:45.56 | Grumbler | everybody should have an apple at least once in their life........even if it is to say.............gashima |
| 19:46.06 | Noodleman | you're a good uncle |
| 19:46.12 | Grumbler | hahah, thnx |
| 19:46.25 | Grumbler | i am the geek uncle |
| 19:46.43 | Grumbler | trying to keep those geek genes active |
| 19:46.55 | Noodleman | i'll be wearing that hat too, soon |
| 19:49.30 | Grumbler | its a rough hat to wear..............especially if the 'rents are geek impaired |
| 19:50.08 | Grumbler | good luck |
| 19:50.11 | Noodleman | "i don't like the kids around grumbler, george" |
| 19:50.20 | Noodleman | "he's a bad influence" |
| 19:50.44 | Grumbler | ???? |
| 19:50.56 | Grumbler | haha, got it now |
| 19:51.08 | Noodleman | "but honey, he's my brother" |
| 19:51.29 | Noodleman | "and he might be a little eccentric, but he isn't causing any harm" |
| 19:52.25 | Grumbler | i've way past eccentric |
| 20:14.34 | Chestal | Pat: fix the colors please, so I can play again :-) |
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| 20:24.11 | Oman | Did any of you try PHLAK |
| 20:29.26 | Patlabor221 | I am working on it chestal |
| 20:29.44 | Patlabor221 | if you turn off textures it should work |
| 20:29.57 | Chestal | Patlabor: I am playin gwithotu textures and all tanks look kinda whitish |
| 20:30.15 | Patlabor221 | !?!?! |
| 20:30.20 | Oman | lol |
| 20:30.24 | Chestal | they all look the same, regardless of team |
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| 20:30.38 | Patlabor221 | odd the team color stuff didn't change |
| 20:31.00 | Chestal | maybe it's the core gl bug rearing its ugly head and some change of you triggered it |
| 20:31.12 | Patlabor221 | posibly |
| 20:31.23 | Chestal | everythign related to gl ids is messed up |
| 20:31.34 | Chestal | although, unless he context changes it should be fine |
| 20:31.54 | Patlabor221 | well it should still call getTankColor |
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| 20:32.01 | Patlabor221 | let me see if I changed the wrong emisives |
| 20:34.35 | JBdiGriz | Grumbler, did you get the refurb or spring for a new one? |
| 20:35.00 | Grumbler | JBdiGriz: spring, spring, boingggggg, booooiiiinnnngggggg |
| 20:35.26 | JBdiGriz | and coming on the 20th, your nephews should receive the new ilife software. :) |
| 20:35.37 | Patlabor221 | hmm I wonder if the BZDB texturing flag is not set properly |
| 20:36.40 | Grumbler | JBdiGriz: i guess, i added all sorts of "stuff"(.Mac, extended warranty, Halo, Office).......i think iLife was part of the fine software print |
| 20:37.11 | Patlabor221 | has Tim made comment abut MQ and models? |
| 20:37.13 | Patlabor221 | and skins? |
| 20:37.46 | Grumbler | JBdiGriz: and what would iLife be........ |
| 20:38.32 | Grumbler | ahh, found it |
| 20:38.41 | JBdiGriz | The iLife upgrade was announced at MacWorld, update to iTunes which is downloadable |
| 20:39.05 | JBdiGriz | update to iDVD, iPhoto, and iMovie which is only available in the package. |
| 20:39.18 | Grumbler | yeah, looks pretty fancy |
| 20:39.26 | JBdiGriz | and a new app, GarageBand, which allows you to create all sorts of fun music. |
| 20:39.49 | Chestal | Patlabor: I think I noticed something in the backlog, but didn't read it |
| 20:39.57 | Nidhoggr | iphoto can be d/l free, and imovie |
| 20:40.01 | JBdiGriz | There is also an additional pack which gives you more instruments, loops, etc. for an additional fee of course :) |
| 20:40.09 | JBdiGriz | Nidhoggr, not the new ones |
| 20:40.11 | Nidhoggr | only one that is in ilife that is not free is iDVD |
| 20:40.13 | Nidhoggr | really? |
| 20:40.25 | Nidhoggr | does my idvd install allow me free upgrade? |
| 20:40.28 | Nidhoggr | errr |
| 20:40.30 | Nidhoggr | ilife |
| 20:40.37 | Nidhoggr | I bought ilife just for idvd |
| 20:41.00 | JBdiGriz | rather annoying, but they have changed the policy, and there's no upgrade, it's $50 for the package, or free with a new machine. |
| 20:41.09 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:41.15 | Nidhoggr | but I bought the package. |
| 20:41.26 | JBdiGriz | then again, $50 isn't a bad price for the suite of packages. |
| 20:41.29 | Nidhoggr | because I got dvd burnder. |
| 20:41.33 | Nidhoggr | burner |
| 20:41.58 | JBdiGriz | Those superdrives are nice to have. I just recently backed everything up. |
| 20:42.04 | Patlabor221 | tanks load all there LODs into lists so it's difrent then a total model swap. TimRiker |
| 20:42.11 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:42.35 | Patlabor221 | I mean I don't want to load every modle, what model does the tank change to when it was MQ? the default one? |
| 20:42.48 | JBdiGriz | There was a company closing out DVD -RW +RW etc. 4x external drives for $189 at the show. |
| 20:42.59 | Patlabor221 | if everyone else is using difrent models it dosn't mater |
| 20:43.26 | Chestal | well, we do not have different models for now. Of course, sooner or later that question must be answered |
| 20:44.18 | Patlabor221 | yes, It dosn't affect the changes I make now, I just want him thinking about it and what impats it will have |
| 20:44.37 | Patlabor221 | grrrrr. I can't call a texturemanager from common, cus it's in bzflag |
| 20:45.12 | Chestal | as it should be |
| 20:45.20 | Patlabor221 | it complicates things |
| 20:45.34 | Patlabor221 | I wanted team:: to be able to return a texture for the tank |
| 20:45.43 | Patlabor221 | will have to rethink this up |
| 20:46.16 | Patlabor221 | let me get a clean project to see what is up with the colors tho |
| 20:46.21 | Chestal | there already is too much couplgn between the logical objects (aka player) and their graphical representation |
| 20:46.36 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:46.48 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: MQ should use the most popular model used by the other players for the team the viewing player is on. |
| 20:46.49 | Patlabor221 | I want to replace it all with a visual object manager |
| 20:46.57 | Chestal | I haven't really thoguht about how to do it different, though |
| 20:47.03 | TimRiker | might be good enough to use the model the viewer is using. |
| 20:47.05 | Patlabor221 | ohh I have chestal ::) |
| 20:47.27 | Patlabor221 | Tim unless the viewer is the only one using that model |
| 20:47.43 | Patlabor221 | it would need to copy at least a model someone is using |
| 20:47.50 | Patlabor221 | most popular is fine |
| 20:48.03 | Patlabor221 | on same team |
| 20:48.31 | Chestal | maybe we'll change the MQ flag anyway for next incompatible release, not sure what the epxeriences with that flag are |
| 20:48.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah it needs eval |
| 20:49.44 | Patlabor221 | for drawing I want a manger that as a list of registerd "visuals" and a game object just says "yeah I can draw and I am one of these thigns" if it's not in headless mode ( i.e if a manager exists ). |
| 20:50.11 | Patlabor221 | then all the drawing is handled in the visual manager classes, and they can just pull data from the game objects |
| 20:50.22 | Patlabor221 | so it's easy to run drawless |
| 20:50.35 | Patlabor221 | and easy to change the visuals |
| 20:50.47 | Patlabor221 | an ojbect just changes what visual class it adds |
| 20:51.26 | Patlabor221 | and visuals are the only thing that care about visibilty and stuff like that |
| 20:51.29 | Chestal | hmm, Ginku used to map the radar zoom keys to the arrow keys in 1.7, this doesn't work for him in 1.10 |
| 20:51.45 | Chestal | I am confsed about arrow keys for roaming and tank movment anyway |
| 20:53.06 | Patlabor221 | ohh I think I know what is screwing the tanks up |
| 20:53.08 | Patlabor221 | ok one sec |
| 20:53.26 | Patlabor221 | if you remove the color_tank.png images, does it look ok? |
| 20:54.15 | brlcad | the observer arrow key stuff sucks, imo -- needs to be rewritten in 1.11 to be the same controls as in the game, just with a modifier for vertical movement |
| 20:54.31 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: model and texture of viewer should be fine. or does the viewer not choose one for himself? |
| 20:54.51 | Patlabor221 | the viewer could have chosen a custom model |
| 20:54.54 | Chestal | Patlabor: will try |
| 20:55.03 | Patlabor221 | if he knows he's the only one in game with that model |
| 20:55.13 | Patlabor221 | all he has to do is know that if he sees himself, to shoot |
| 20:55.25 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: which is fine. the MQ player (not the viewer) can show up using the viewer's choosen texture and model. |
| 20:55.25 | Patlabor221 | I think the point is to make them think you are one of there teammates |
| 20:55.38 | Patlabor221 | I would pick a team mates tank |
| 20:55.41 | Patlabor221 | not there tank |
| 20:55.53 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: ok... most popular on the viewer's team would be best. |
| 20:55.53 | Patlabor221 | MQ in a 2 player game is pointless |
| 20:55.58 | Patlabor221 | yes I concur |
| 20:56.25 | TimRiker | if the viewer is the only player on his team, then MQ looses it's value anyway. |
| 20:56.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:56.42 | Patlabor221 | I use the term "laughable" |
| 20:57.10 | brlcad | TimRiker: welcome back, how was your trip? |
| 20:57.27 | Chestal | Pat: when I erase green_tank.png, the green tank becomes green |
| 20:57.31 | Patlabor221 | well I can fix the texutre issues for this release, it will just take me some time |
| 20:57.45 | Patlabor221 | ok, thanks ches, I'm gonna commit a temp fix for right now then |
| 20:58.06 | Patlabor221 | it won't fix MQ and CB but it will fix your problem |
| 20:58.16 | Chestal | fine |
| 20:58.23 | Patlabor221 | well as sure as I'm sure this thing builds :) |
| 20:58.45 | Chestal | I am not really goign to play tonight though, so in case it's only a hackish fix and you'll have something better later, it#s not needed |
| 20:58.54 | Patlabor221 | no it's not a hackish |
| 20:59.00 | Patlabor221 | it's just part of the big fix |
| 20:59.03 | Patlabor221 | so it will stay |
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| 21:00.52 | Grumbler | brlcad: 4-5" snow by thursday morning |
| 21:00.55 | brlcad | Yea, my first impression wasn't glee.. it's not "impacting" like Doom, or subtle like a little ding |
| 21:01.02 | brlcad | Grumbler: you kidding? |
| 21:01.30 | Nidhoggr | menu sounds might be better if it was a different sound. |
| 21:01.46 | Chestal | we also need a sound for incoming message |
| 21:01.51 | Nidhoggr | reusing a common sounds is confusing. |
| 21:02.01 | Nidhoggr | chestal, I can probably come up with something when I get home. |
| 21:02.03 | Grumbler | brlcad: just got the weatherbug chirp.......weather warning for 0500- Atlantic NJ-Camden NJ-Cecil MD-Coastal Atlantic NJ-Coastal Ocean NJ- Cumberland NJ-Delaware PA-Gloucester NJ-Kent MD-Kent DE- New Castle DE-Northwestern Burlington NJ-Ocean NJ-Philadelphia PA- Queen Anne's MD-Salem NJ-Southeastern Burlington NJ- |
| 21:02.40 | brlcad | that's just up the road from me .. hrm |
| 21:03.02 | Grumbler | and queen anne is to the east, so it might miss you completely....... |
| 21:03.38 | brlcad | ~weather kapg |
| 21:04.08 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.23 | brlcad | er.. where's the temperature?? |
| 21:04.34 | Grumbler | good point |
| 21:04.50 | brlcad | ~weather kbwi |
| 21:05.08 | brlcad | Mmm.. wet snow |
| 21:05.56 | Grumbler | well it has till end of tomorrow to begin getting colder |
| 21:06.09 | Grumbler | look at in the ohio valley, they should have the temps now |
| 21:06.38 | Grumbler | no GUU! |
| 21:07.13 | Grumbler | ~weather franklin, in |
| 21:08.51 | Grumbler | ~weather kcgf |
| 21:09.41 | Grumbler | ~weather kind |
| 21:13.47 | TimRiker | Chestal: is the xmission crashing fixed? |
| 21:13.52 | TimRiker | anyone seen MAC? |
| 21:14.03 | TimRiker | ~seen MrApathyCream |
| 21:14.07 | | mrapathycream <~MAC@balt-209-163-100-143.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 14h 17m 57s ago, saying: 'alritte frellas, sleepy time'. |
| 21:14.08 | brlcad | I talked to him last night |
| 21:14.24 | TimRiker | brlcad: trip was fine. thanx. ;-) |
| 21:14.34 | brlcad | we scheme and plot most nights together :) |
| 21:14.58 | brlcad | cool, glad to hear |
| 21:15.03 | brlcad | bring back any cool toys? |
| 21:15.56 | brlcad | TimRiker: there is a test of the new multi-base support running on brlcad.org:14246 if you care to see it in action |
| 21:16.09 | brlcad | it's a modified xmission map |
| 21:19.06 | Chestal | TimRiker: there were some overnight changes, I cannot really say |
| 21:19.15 | Nidhoggr | the word "rul" needs to be removed from the multilingual swear file, because we look like fools when we tell people they are breaking the rules :( |
| 21:19.16 | Chestal | TimRiker: I had other problems with the code which I fixed |
| 21:19.29 | Chestal | hmm, the reports about being able to shoot thru pyramids are true |
| 21:19.32 | Chestal | have just seen it myself |
| 21:19.51 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: I'm working on that :) |
| 21:19.58 | Chestal | was able to shoot through some of them from the proper angle |
| 21:20.09 | brlcad | it needs to not apply the automatic suffix-matching on non-english words |
| 21:20.10 | Nidhoggr | thanks. |
| 21:21.13 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: presently, I accidentally disabled the suffix matching altogether in current CVS.. so technically that problem is fixed :) |
| 21:21.21 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/BUGS: shoot through pyramids |
| 21:21.29 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:26.30 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/BUGS: let's remove the place-holder line. Now there are some relase blocking bug :) |
| 21:29.17 | Noodleman | anybody want a match? |
| 21:29.19 | *** join/#bzflag yin (~yin@pcp05279755pcs.maplln01.de.comcast.net) |
| 21:29.25 | brlcad | i don't smoke |
| 21:29.28 | Noodleman | come on, you bunch of nancys! |
| 21:29.45 | yin | anyone want to match us? |
| 21:29.46 | brlcad | but i like matches anyways.. so sure! |
| 21:29.56 | brlcad | mmm.. fire |
| 21:30.01 | yin | you all suck, if you don't match us! |
| 21:30.02 | Nidhoggr | I'd kick your butt, but I'm at work, and we have a major outage in LA :( |
| 21:30.20 | Noodleman | ack |
| 21:30.58 | Nidhoggr | looks like GX has power problems there. |
| 21:30.59 | brlcad | So, yin.. you're pretty close too.. sounds like you're in weather's path as well |
| 21:31.05 | yin | what? |
| 21:31.05 | Nidhoggr | like a UPS blowing up or something. |
| 21:31.22 | brlcad | you're up the road.. deleware, no? |
| 21:31.31 | yin | yes, how do you know? |
| 21:31.38 | brlcad | I'm psychic |
| 21:31.44 | brlcad | or psycho |
| 21:31.46 | brlcad | never can remember |
| 21:32.20 | yin | do i know you/ |
| 21:32.24 | yin | i am Jaguar |
| 21:32.30 | brlcad | yes you do :) |
| 21:32.37 | yin | how, where? |
| 21:32.42 | brlcad | but i didn't know that was you jag :) |
| 21:33.02 | yin | hmm, you know me as who? |
| 21:33.04 | TimRiker | Chestal: so is the spawn bug fixed now? ie: xmission was spawning some teams in the wrong places. |
| 21:33.28 | brlcad | TimRiker: I encountered the spawn bug just last night |
| 21:33.29 | yin | just tell me, no riddles, brlcad |
| 21:34.00 | brlcad | what's the fun in that, plus I gotta run ;) |
| 21:34.24 | yin | just tell me, wait!!!!!!! you know red barron |
| 21:37.16 | Noodleman | he's something else, isn't he? |
| 21:37.27 | Chestal | TimRiker: don't ask me, but I think so, there was some change to the safety zone code |
| 21:39.13 | brlcad | silly lil yin |
| 21:40.39 | Chestal | http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/pyr.html |
| 21:41.58 | brlcad | nice |
| 21:42.24 | TimRiker | Chestal: that might be it... |
| 21:43.24 | Chestal | that first shot passed through the pyramid, the others ricoed off it just fine |
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| 21:51.36 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/BUGS: shoot through pyramids: more details |
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| 22:09.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o larsl] by ChanServ |
| 22:09.51 | Nidhoggr | went from 15 to 39 open tickets in less then an hour. |
| 22:09.59 | larsl | Hello, internet! |
| 22:10.01 | Nidhoggr | broken gx |
| 22:10.04 | Nidhoggr | hi larsl |
| 22:10.17 | brlcad | hello larsl |
| 22:10.30 | brlcad | oh, nid.. almost forgot |
| 22:10.42 | brlcad | was it you or noodle that build on win recently? |
| 22:11.42 | Nidhoggr | I did a few days ago |
| 22:12.07 | Nidhoggr | cool, larsl! |
| 22:12.14 | Nidhoggr | it's nice to have a working net connection. |
| 22:12.43 | brlcad | Do you code, nid? i.e. basic coding and linking? |
| 22:13.09 | Nidhoggr | I can fix some stuff, but VERY limited. |
| 22:13.25 | brlcad | Well then.. :) |
| 22:13.26 | Nidhoggr | if I can grep through a .h dir, I can usually stick in includes, etc. |
| 22:13.42 | Nidhoggr | I just don't know how to use cvs to upload crap |
| 22:13.46 | brlcad | SportChick would just LOVE for somebody to get curses working with bzadmin :) |
| 22:13.52 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 22:13.57 | Nidhoggr | does windows have curses? |
| 22:13.59 | shkoo | like what curses? |
| 22:14.04 | larsl | PDCurses. |
| 22:14.17 | Nidhoggr | brb. |
| 22:14.51 | brlcad | yea, pd or another compatibility lib if it proves to be too much headache. I can provide you the libs, if you're willing to try and build them and hook them up. |
| 22:15.34 | larsl | It "almost" builds with pdcurses on Linux. |
| 22:16.06 | brlcad | oh? didn't know it didn't, though the windows code path may be different |
| 22:18.05 | brlcad | i guess I could at least try to get that much working here |
| 22:19.07 | larsl | I think it's just a function that needs to be wrapped, I fixed a bug with older ncurses a while ago and didn't update the pdcurses wrapper. |
| 22:27.11 | larsl | "Allow multiple bases per team" - that sounds interesting. |
| 22:27.30 | brlcad | running it on brlcad.org:14246 on a modified xmission map |
| 22:27.37 | larsl | How does the respawn algorithm handle that? |
| 22:27.53 | larsl | Just pick a base at random to spawn on? |
| 22:28.44 | brlcad | i think so |
| 22:29.31 | larsl | "Looking up hostname: timeout" on brlcad.org:14246 |
| 22:33.30 | brlcad | ~nslookup brlcad.org |
| 22:33.58 | larsl | Probably something wrong on my end. I get timeouts on lots of bzflag servers. |
| 22:34.31 | Grumbler | larsl: maybe not, i have similar issues with the new versions..........have to try mulitple times to connect |
| 22:34.36 | larsl | I also get "Can't open list server: http://db.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 22:34.53 | larsl | Grumbler: But I'm running an old client (1.10.3 something). |
| 22:35.09 | Grumbler | larsl: ditto |
| 22:35.13 | larsl | OK. |
| 22:35.23 | Grumbler | never had the problem with g2 |
| 22:35.33 | brlcad | "works for me" :? |
| 22:35.37 | larsl | I've never had it before with 1.10. |
| 22:35.43 | Grumbler | with 1.10, i have it 50-60% of the time |
| 22:35.50 | Grumbler | !lart brlcad |
| 22:36.03 | brlcad | ~lart Grumbler |
| 22:36.05 | brlcad | no guu for you |
| 22:36.09 | Grumbler | ug |
| 22:36.18 | Grumbler | forgot |
| 22:36.22 | Grumbler | poor guu |
| 22:37.06 | brlcad | you have trouble connecting to the list server, or the game servers, or both? |
| 22:37.15 | Grumbler | both |
| 22:37.18 | larsl | I restarted bzflag, now everything's working again. |
| 22:37.22 | larsl | Both for me to earlier. |
| 22:37.25 | larsl | too |
| 22:37.44 | brlcad | so.. when you guys gonna fix that? .. |
| 22:37.53 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:38.07 | larsl | I could connect to servers with IP numbers as public addresses though. |
| 22:38.25 | larsl | It just didn't like to do name lookups. |
| 22:38.47 | brlcad | must be behind some half-busted dns |
| 22:38.51 | larsl | Probably. |
| 22:39.22 | brlcad | 1.7 probably only used the ip for the actual connection |
| 22:39.41 | Grumbler | as opposed to ??????? |
| 22:39.50 | brlcad | the name |
| 22:40.08 | brlcad | resolving the name before connecting |
| 22:40.14 | larsl | Is the new automatic identification documented somewhere? |
| 22:40.25 | brlcad | course not -- it's a hidden feature |
| 22:40.38 | brlcad | "set username@host:port password" in your config file |
| 22:40.50 | larsl | Thanks. |
| 22:41.30 | Grumbler | ooooooo, like that |
| 22:41.40 | Nidhoggr | we're going to have to start rejecting/kicking 1.10.0 clients, because of the slot 0 bug. |
| 22:41.48 | Nidhoggr | we're seeing it a lot now. |
| 22:41.53 | larsl | The GM thing? |
| 22:41.56 | Grumbler | is "host" ip or name |
| 22:41.56 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:42.06 | brlcad | no plans to reject them |
| 22:42.14 | brlcad | plans to release 1.10.4 soon, though |
| 22:42.18 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:42.31 | Nidhoggr | we may have to automate it with bzadmin or something. |
| 22:42.32 | Grumbler | maybe admins should warn and kick......... |
| 22:42.37 | Nidhoggr | yeah |
| 22:42.40 | Nidhoggr | that's what we've been doing. |
| 22:43.11 | brlcad | if bzadmin is the first to connect, does it get player 0? |
| 22:43.21 | brlcad | you could just leave it connect first as observer |
| 22:43.33 | larsl | Or just hack the server to block slot 0. |
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| 22:44.37 | Patlabor221 | damn, that sucked |
| 22:45.16 | brlcad | rather not screw with the code for legacy crud like that.. makes it even harder to hunt down bugs |
| 22:45.21 | Grumbler | getting hit with a hammer can do that |
| 22:45.47 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: make tank color changes test bzdb texture on setings not if we found a color texture |
| 22:45.50 | Patlabor221 | t1 lost connection to tell co, just as I was hitting commit. |
| 22:45.52 | larsl | Yes, it would probably affect lots of things. Leaving an observer on is probably better. |
| 22:46.30 | brlcad | call it "Big Brother" |
| 22:46.47 | Patlabor221 | chestal, that should fix your color bug. and make CB and MQ work if your not using the new textures. |
| 22:47.10 | Nidhoggr | it'd be cool if you could have bzadmin join, and be able to take external commands from scripts somehow. |
| 22:47.23 | Nidhoggr | then it'd be able to be useful while it sits in slot 0 |
| 22:47.56 | larsl | Nidhoggr: You could try to cat a "named pipe" into it, and write commands to that. |
| 22:48.11 | Nidhoggr | could try, I suppose |
| 22:48.14 | Patlabor221 | why do we use user slots? and not just some dynamic system? |
| 22:48.53 | brlcad | because the hamsters didn't know any better once they started running :) |
| 22:50.28 | Patlabor221 | then just use a map to link playerID to actual player. |
| 22:50.42 | brlcad | users would still need some sort of numeric id for coordinating with the server -- would have likely ended up with the same problem, just in a different form |
| 22:51.12 | Patlabor221 | make a GUID funtion, and don't reuse them for a very long time |
| 22:51.15 | Patlabor221 | just let it loop around |
| 22:52.04 | Patlabor221 | just take your last used ID, inc it till you get an unsed, looping around. |
| 22:52.31 | Patlabor221 | then your not "outa slots" till you are really full |
| 22:53.12 | brlcad | easy/good piece to work in when libgame comes on-line |
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| 22:53.48 | Patlabor221 | will removing all the drawing specific stuff and puting it in a set of "visuals" help with that? |
| 22:54.19 | brlcad | visuals? |
| 22:54.19 | Patlabor221 | like make it so the player class dosn't have an OpenGLTexture object? |
| 22:54.31 | Patlabor221 | right now the player has a lot of drawing info |
| 22:54.34 | larsl | Patlabor221: Ooh yes. |
| 22:54.50 | Patlabor221 | was gonna wraper that up into a VisualComponentManager |
| 22:54.55 | Patlabor221 | basicly things that draw |
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| 22:55.17 | larsl | If you can do that cleanly it would be a Great Thing. |
| 22:55.24 | Patlabor221 | and tank just says, hey if I'm not headless, make me one of this type, and puts itself in as a pointer int it. |
| 22:55.46 | brlcad | cleanly being the good/hard part |
| 22:55.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it an be done I think |
| 22:56.06 | Patlabor221 | I have a beter understanding of the code now |
| 22:56.17 | Patlabor221 | and it's complete lack of material sorting |
| 22:56.26 | brlcad | hopefully not as "clean" as the state database ;) |
| 22:56.42 | Patlabor221 | no, the state database will actualy not be needed anymore |
| 22:57.02 | Patlabor221 | the visual display manager will handle the sorting |
| 22:57.16 | brlcad | different state database |
| 22:57.22 | Patlabor221 | well it won't track states |
| 22:57.25 | brlcad | I don't mean the graphics one |
| 22:57.27 | Patlabor221 | it will track materials |
| 22:57.29 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 22:57.34 | brlcad | src/common |
| 22:58.01 | brlcad | it's probably more clean than before, but it needs a lot of work too |
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| 23:02.27 | Patlabor221 | well the thing is the game object won't controll drawing, it will just have a pointer to an object that will pull it's data from the game object and draw |
| 23:03.05 | Patlabor221 | and that object would do all the secne node adding |
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| 23:04.15 | *** join/#bzflag Oman (~Oman@24.247.139.91.tvc.mi.chartermi.net) |
| 23:04.47 | Oman | hi Tim |
| 23:04.51 | m1 | Could someone tell me why I cannot connect to ducati now? |
| 23:05.03 | Oman | is the sever full |
| 23:05.11 | m1 | it is said that imcompatible server! |
| 23:05.23 | Oman | is it 1.10 or 1.7 sever |
| 23:05.32 | Nidhoggr | you probably need to upgrade your client to 1.10 compatible |
| 23:05.42 | m1 | how to do it? |
| 23:05.47 | Oman | download it |
| 23:05.49 | Oman | thats how |
| 23:05.57 | larsl | http://sf.net/projects/bzflag |
| 23:06.10 | m1 | ok, thanks |
| 23:11.29 | larsl | Any date set for 1.10.4? |
| 23:12.15 | larsl | ~dict jitters |
| 23:16.43 | brlcad | larsl: just a couple critical bugs remaining |
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| 23:17.19 | brlcad | ~dict jittery |
| 23:24.04 | SportChick | is root here? |
| 23:24.11 | SportChick | dunno all his aliases |
| 23:24.34 | larsl | ~seen root |
| 23:24.42 | | root <~root@200.97.127.241> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-br, 2d 8h 3m 47s ago, saying: 'exit'. |
| 23:24.43 | SportChick | ~seen root |
| 23:24.44 | | root <~root@200.97.127.241> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-br, 2d 8h 3m 49s ago, saying: 'exit'. |
| 23:24.54 | SportChick | hmmm |
| 23:25.01 | SportChick | anyone here an admin on artoo? |
| 23:27.54 | SportChick | how do I make ibot leave amessage for root? |
| 23:28.27 | larsl | ~botmail |
| 23:28.29 | larsl | I think. |
| 23:28.45 | brlcad | memoserv is better usually.. /msg MemoServ send root message... |
| 23:29.07 | brlcad | if he really has registered root, that is -- which I highly doubt |
| 23:31.36 | SportChick | I can't, I guess unless his is online |
| 23:31.49 | SportChick | weird..he's in artoo, but not responding |
| 23:32.09 | SportChick | and there is a guy (we banned him from secretplace yesterday) who is cussing up a storm |
| 23:32.25 | larsl | I keep getting core dumps when I try to connect to bzflag.secretplace.us with auto-/identify. Not every time though. |
| 23:32.39 | brlcad | stack trace? |
| 23:32.53 | Nidhoggr | I haven't tried autoidentify, either. |
| 23:32.53 | brlcad | gdbify that puppy |
| 23:33.03 | Nidhoggr | are there server fixes for that? |
| 23:33.07 | brlcad | no |
| 23:33.19 | larsl | It's in a signal handler - #2 0x081064e7 in dying (sig=11) at playing.cxx:355 |
| 23:33.32 | TimRiker | I tried auto-identify on xmission and it seemed to work great. |
| 23:33.37 | brlcad | need higher up |
| 23:33.37 | larsl | Looks like some code in bzflag is causing a signal 11. |
| 23:33.44 | larsl | That's the highest. |
| 23:33.49 | brlcad | er, then lower |
| 23:34.01 | TimRiker | segfault etc will get you an 11 from the os |
| 23:34.02 | brlcad | gdb> bt |
| 23:34.03 | larsl | Those are in glibc: |
| 23:34.09 | larsl | #0 0x40344d71 in kill () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6, #1 0x40344af5 in raise () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 |
| 23:34.21 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/Intersect.cxx: Fix shoot through pyramids, though should rewrite something to have less err |
| 23:34.47 | larsl | TimRiker: But then the backtrace usually shows the place in the code where the segfault happened. |
| 23:35.01 | brlcad | need #1 and #2 |
| 23:35.17 | larsl | I gave #1 and #2. |
| 23:35.17 | brlcad | er, just #2 i guess |
| 23:35.25 | larsl | #2 0x081064e7 in dying (sig=11) at playing.cxx:355 |
| 23:35.48 | brlcad | #3? |
| 23:35.58 | larsl | No #3. |
| 23:36.02 | brlcad | fooey |
| 23:36.06 | brlcad | :( |
| 23:36.44 | Tupone | need to start with gdb to get that |
| 23:36.56 | Tupone | signal has been trapped by bzflag |
| 23:37.30 | Tupone | I think we need to remove the trap when --enable-debug |
| 23:38.00 | larsl | Tupone: That's a good idea. |
| 23:38.20 | brlcad | the traps need to be fixed/improved for windows too..there are bug reports about it not restoring the video gamme, which is what the trap is supposed to prevent |
| 23:39.27 | Nidhoggr | I have logging turned on, too (one -d) larsl. |
| 23:40.26 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Am I sending any messages? |
| 23:40.35 | larsl | Or maybe that's not visible with one -d. |
| 23:40.46 | Nidhoggr | try now |
| 23:41.13 | Nidhoggr | Player Lars [16] has joined from 213.100.50.18:38173 on 24 |
| 23:41.13 | Nidhoggr | Player [21] accept() from 24.1.99.18:1395 on 27 |
| 23:41.13 | Nidhoggr | Player [21] on 27 removed: Disconnected |
| 23:41.13 | Nidhoggr | Player Lars [16] on 24 removed: ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 23:41.17 | Nidhoggr | that's it. |
| 23:41.20 | larsl | OK. |
| 23:41.37 | Nidhoggr | I'm gunna drive home. bbiab. |
| 23:41.41 | larsl | Eek. |
| 23:41.48 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 23:41.48 | larsl | Got another stacktrace now: |
| 23:41.59 | larsl | #0 0x40730ede in __nvsym15678 () from /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 |
| 23:42.01 | larsl | #1 0x08264a44 in ?? () |
| 23:42.04 | larsl | The end. |
| 23:42.09 | Nidhoggr | eek! |
| 23:42.13 | Nidhoggr | bbiab. |
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| 23:51.41 | bryjen | TimRiker: MrAC was looking at the spawing-off-base thing last night. He may have fixed it. |
| 23:52.48 | larsl | GeForce 2 MX/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!/forceSW |
| 23:52.57 | larsl | Why does it force SW rendering? |
| 23:53.20 | Patlabor221 | what res/bit depth you running? |
| 23:53.26 | Patlabor221 | and is there any other GL app open? |
| 23:54.24 | Patlabor221 | most implementations will dump down to software when a hardware context create fails, usualy if there are not enough card resources to support it. |
| 23:54.43 | larsl | 1024x768x24 |
| 23:54.56 | Patlabor221 | shold be fine on that card |
| 23:55.02 | larsl | Maybe the driver update changed the permissions of some device files. |
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