| 00:03.30 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@navi.cs.colorado.edu) |
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| 00:18.20 | CIA-1 | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/include (TextUtils.h): constantize tokenize |
| 00:20.25 | scanline | looky, a bzflag commit |
| 00:20.40 | scanline | we should get bzflag to be a guinea pig for the new XML client script :) |
| 00:20.58 | captain_proton | heh |
| 00:21.59 | Patlabor221 | if you want you can install it on asgard, its using CIA too |
| 00:24.37 | scanline | well, right now ELinks is using it.. if after a few days it doesn't blow up, we'll unleash it on the world |
| 00:25.02 | scanline | navi-misc and kde are also using XML commit messages, though with different client scripts |
| 00:25.51 | CIA-1 | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): Improved /kick -- it is now /kick usename reason or /kick "User Name with Spaces" reason here or /kick "User Name" "Reason" etc. |
| 00:25.59 | Patlabor221 | k, it's just there if you need it |
| 00:26.43 | scanline | thanks |
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| 00:28.02 | tapo | I am ill. I play bzflag. I dream of it. 666. |
| 00:28.09 | captain_proton | whee, about 1/3 of the way through the first pass |
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| 00:49.35 | NonDeer | should I display a message to all users when someone is kicked? |
| 00:49.39 | CIA-1 | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): user can add reason when doing kick command via admin-by-keys hack |
| 00:52.55 | Michaelhhhh | anyone anyone? |
| 00:52.58 | Michaelhhhh | bueler? |
| 00:53.01 | Michaelhhhh | bueler? |
| 00:53.26 | scanline | poing |
| 00:53.33 | Patlabor221 | splorch |
| 00:55.31 | Michaelhhhh | the kick patch dude will be peeved |
| 01:08.03 | Michaelhhhh | when I have a vector of strings |
| 01:08.17 | Michaelhhhh | and I call push_back |
| 01:08.26 | Michaelhhhh | is it better to use a vector of pointers? |
| 01:08.28 | Patlabor221 | sure why not? |
| 01:08.34 | Michaelhhhh | and new and delete? |
| 01:08.45 | Patlabor221 | are the strings std::string objects? |
| 01:08.50 | Michaelhhhh | yes |
| 01:09.01 | Patlabor221 | then they have asigment operators |
| 01:09.04 | Patlabor221 | it'll work fine |
| 01:09.17 | Patlabor221 | the container will handle allocation and deallocation |
| 01:09.18 | Michaelhhhh | but is it particullarly better? |
| 01:09.20 | Patlabor221 | that's the point of it |
| 01:09.32 | Michaelhhhh | so I shouldn't then.. right |
| 01:09.33 | Patlabor221 | ether you call it, or it calls it |
| 01:09.35 | Michaelhhhh | make them pointers |
| 01:09.36 | Patlabor221 | does it really matter? |
| 01:09.37 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 01:09.49 | Patlabor221 | just assign them |
| 01:09.54 | Michaelhhhh | So does it copy them? |
| 01:09.56 | Patlabor221 | why do the extra work yourself? |
| 01:09.59 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:09.59 | Michaelhhhh | when you push back? |
| 01:10.04 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:10.09 | Patlabor221 | that is the entire point of it |
| 01:10.12 | Michaelhhhh | versus taking the pointer |
| 01:10.17 | Patlabor221 | the std::string has an asigment operatior |
| 01:10.26 | Michaelhhhh | right |
| 01:10.46 | Patlabor221 | so when you push back, it takes the one you push as a refrence, and assigns it to the one it makes in the vector |
| 01:10.53 | Patlabor221 | bada bing bada boom |
| 01:11.10 | Michaelhhhh | Was just wondering if it would be more efficient in some cases to use pointers |
| 01:11.28 | Patlabor221 | if you pass in a pointer you save one allocation when you push |
| 01:11.36 | Patlabor221 | are you gonna be pushing and poping a lot? |
| 01:12.03 | Patlabor221 | with pointers you also have to delte all your strings before you destruct the vecotor, or when you remove any element |
| 01:12.05 | Patlabor221 | kinda a pain |
| 01:12.29 | Patlabor221 | or are you just building up this list then using it? |
| 01:12.48 | Michaelhhhh | I was thinking of all the messages that we might want to broadcast to all the users |
| 01:13.00 | Michaelhhhh | when someone gets kicked, or banned, etc. |
| 01:13.02 | Patlabor221 | how often are you gonna push? |
| 01:13.17 | Michaelhhhh | probably not terribly often |
| 01:13.19 | Patlabor221 | is it gonna change every frame? |
| 01:13.28 | Patlabor221 | then it's no big whopp |
| 01:13.29 | Michaelhhhh | server side |
| 01:13.35 | Patlabor221 | your just adding a block move |
| 01:13.40 | Patlabor221 | and you get a lot cleaner code |
| 01:13.52 | Patlabor221 | the server passes STL strings around like mad anyway |
| 01:14.01 | Michaelhhhh | Just curious |
| 01:14.32 | Patlabor221 | the only time I do pointers in vectors is when it's a vector of base classes |
| 01:14.40 | Patlabor221 | and the allocation needs to use the derived version |
| 01:14.41 | Michaelhhhh | I was thinking that perhaps we shouldn't broadcast to every player whenever we encounter a message to be sent, but rather should buffer them up a bit |
| 01:15.25 | Patlabor221 | dono, would depend on what is expected |
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| 01:15.42 | Patlabor221 | on a kick, I would think imediate responce is needed |
| 01:15.43 | Michaelhhhh | But if I add 10 messages that broadcast to every player... |
| 01:15.44 | Patlabor221 | and expected |
| 01:15.55 | Patlabor221 | are 10 gonna come in at once |
| 01:15.55 | Michaelhhhh | whenever someone is banned/kicked |
| 01:15.58 | Michaelhhhh | no |
| 01:16.10 | Patlabor221 | when somone is kicked a single message is sent to everyone right? |
| 01:16.18 | Michaelhhhh | should |
| 01:16.20 | Michaelhhhh | but not now |
| 01:16.24 | Patlabor221 | then it's the same as chat |
| 01:16.29 | Patlabor221 | whopty doo |
| 01:16.33 | Patlabor221 | what does it do now? |
| 01:16.41 | Michaelhhhh | just to the kickee I believe |
| 01:16.55 | Michaelhhhh | there are several messages like that that could be added |
| 01:16.56 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 01:17.06 | Patlabor221 | but why que them up? |
| 01:17.10 | Patlabor221 | what does it save? |
| 01:17.16 | Michaelhhhh | To be more sophisticated ? :) |
| 01:17.34 | Patlabor221 | being clever just to be clever is what got the code in its current shitty state |
| 01:17.37 | Michaelhhhh | If the server was in a mad crunch, it could delay sending them |
| 01:17.39 | Patlabor221 | what feature does it add? |
| 01:17.50 | Patlabor221 | does it do that now for chat lines? |
| 01:17.56 | Michaelhhhh | of course, it's probably hard to know that |
| 01:18.03 | Michaelhhhh | when that is |
| 01:18.07 | creeperz | Mr. Sanderson... |
| 01:18.10 | Patlabor221 | cus your message is the same as a chat line |
| 01:18.10 | Michaelhhhh | no siree |
| 01:18.16 | Patlabor221 | then why should yours do it? |
| 01:18.29 | Michaelhhhh | I thought it was Anderson |
| 01:18.35 | Michaelhhhh | or is Sanderson? |
| 01:18.45 | Patlabor221 | and I think people would wantt o know that somone was kciked right waya |
| 01:18.47 | Patlabor221 | it's Anderson |
| 01:19.28 | Michaelhhhh | How about a simple method that broadcasts to all players? |
| 01:19.40 | creeperz | http://www.theforce.net/theater/nonsw/glitch/index.shtml |
| 01:19.46 | Michaelhhhh | or do I just call broadcastmessage(msgmessage, " ") ? |
| 01:20.17 | Michaelhhhh | sick of the 10 thousandth iteration of player... |
| 01:20.21 | Patlabor221 | I'd do what ever a chat messag does |
| 01:20.26 | Patlabor221 | since you are the same |
| 01:20.47 | Michaelhhhh | that would be the iteration and sendmessage deally bob |
| 01:21.07 | Michaelhhhh | how about a sendMessageToAll ? |
| 01:21.20 | Michaelhhhh | do it often enough |
| 01:21.23 | Patlabor221 | then if you want to put that into a function and change all the places that need it to use it, fine |
| 01:22.11 | Patlabor221 | that would probably be a good change |
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| 01:25.59 | scanline | haha |
| 01:28.42 | Patlabor221 | I know in the middle of the night it's gonna shout "WAKE UP!!" |
| 01:29.02 | captain_proton | naw |
| 01:29.06 | bryjen | phantom.wav |
| 01:29.32 | Patlabor221 | as he plays subliminal messages thru the speakers :) |
| 01:33.34 | CIA-5 | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (commands.cxx): Spelllllllling |
| 01:39.50 | CIA-5 | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): oops |
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| 02:20.25 | creeperz | ohh |
| 02:20.29 | creeperz | poor dog :-( |
| 02:20.31 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 02:28.46 | creeperz | my cat farts loud |
| 02:29.19 | |tim| | Your cat farts?!?! |
| 02:29.38 | creeperz | it either farted or died |
| 02:29.48 | creeperz | one of the 2 |
| 02:29.48 | |tim| | lol |
| 02:29.54 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:30.00 | |tim| | I've never heard mine fart |
| 02:30.39 | creeperz | thats because its really, really dead |
| 02:31.03 | |tim| | The only weird thing I've encountered was, walking in the room and she was licking herself then stopped and got up and walked off. |
| 02:31.32 | creeperz | lol |
| 02:32.09 | |tim| | My cats evil |
| 02:32.32 | creeperz | mine is a great ball o' static |
| 02:32.37 | |tim| | She'll start hissing if you come near her |
| 02:32.38 | |tim| | lol |
| 02:32.43 | creeperz | haha |
| 02:32.52 | creeperz | my cat just claws yu |
| 02:33.03 | creeperz | he's very territorial |
| 02:33.09 | |tim| | We had to pull our cat's claws out |
| 02:33.19 | creeperz | in fact, he wouldnt get off of my bed once and i had to sleep on the floor |
| 02:33.27 | |tim| | and its the only cat at the pet groomers that has to be put to sleep for her to get a hair cut |
| 02:33.39 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:33.54 | |tim| | Then she'll come home and start falling off couches and running into walls |
| 02:33.56 | creeperz | i shaved a cat once :-o |
| 02:34.07 | creeperz | it died 2 weeks later |
| 02:34.13 | |tim| | lol |
| 02:34.20 | creeperz | imma miss fluffy |
| 02:34.30 | |tim| | Ours name is Fudge |
| 02:34.52 | creeperz | i have a kitty named boots and another named lil' key-key |
| 02:35.12 | |tim| | I've got a puppy named cooper |
| 02:35.16 | creeperz | boots is the farter |
| 02:35.36 | |tim| | lol |
| 02:35.36 | creeperz | i got attacked by my dog named missy |
| 02:35.50 | |tim| | Wha'd you do? |
| 02:35.58 | creeperz | RLH |
| 02:36.40 | |tim| | Which means? |
| 02:36.51 | Patlabor221 | run like hell |
| 02:36.53 | creeperz | ran/run like hell |
| 02:37.03 | |tim| | ah |
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| 02:37.20 | Patlabor221 | that's a lot of h's man |
| 02:37.45 | creeperz | he's expressing himself :-) |
| 02:37.57 | creeperz | my_dog died! |
| 02:38.15 | Patlabor221 | no he just quit |
| 02:38.19 | Patlabor221 | probably for the best |
| 02:38.21 | creeperz | oh |
| 02:38.25 | Patlabor221 | he can now move onto other things |
| 02:38.25 | |tim| | lol |
| 02:38.31 | |tim| | He went to sleep |
| 02:38.33 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you should read ALL the words |
| 02:38.49 | |tim| | what about you? You're here too |
| 02:38.52 | creeperz | i can read and rite |
| 02:38.59 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:39.04 | Patlabor221 | so you say |
| 02:39.14 | creeperz | wrighte* |
| 02:40.26 | |tim| | 0.o |
| 02:43.06 | |tim| | Well, I'm off to do "better things" ;-); Bye everyone |
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| 02:45.39 | Oman | I need help |
| 02:46.29 | Michaelhhhh | you certainly do |
| 02:46.39 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:46.54 | Oman | Ok guys i need help with makeing the 1.7g1 guided missels work on 1.7g2 |
| 02:47.15 | Oman | but for some reason no matter how much i get done it dosen't work it gets close |
| 02:47.16 | Michaelhhhh | I think you are a bit out of date |
| 02:47.25 | Patlabor221 | and they should be the same |
| 02:47.36 | Oman | I am trying to make it for my dad |
| 02:47.40 | Oman | he wants if |
| 02:47.41 | Oman | it |
| 02:47.43 | Patlabor221 | g1 and g2 are compatable |
| 02:47.46 | Michaelhhhh | we are confused |
| 02:47.46 | Patlabor221 | so they behave the same |
| 02:47.54 | Patlabor221 | and g1 was just the beta for G2 |
| 02:48.01 | Patlabor221 | so g1 GMs are G2 missiles |
| 02:48.03 | creeperz | yea |
| 02:48.07 | Patlabor221 | you make no sense |
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| 02:48.21 | Oman | The missiles are different for g2 than g1 for me |
| 02:48.21 | Patlabor221 | you sure your not asking for g2 missiles in 1.10? |
| 02:48.34 | Patlabor221 | there was never a g1 release so what are you talking about? |
| 02:48.35 | Oman | no |
| 02:48.37 | Michaelhhhh | So what is happening? You can't play two clients together or? |
| 02:48.39 | Patlabor221 | g1 was CVS |
| 02:48.49 | Oman | oh |
| 02:48.52 | Patlabor221 | just use G1 then |
| 02:49.01 | Patlabor221 | or g0 |
| 02:49.04 | Oman | I like the super bullets in g2 though |
| 02:49.06 | creeperz | cool, my left eye twitched |
| 02:49.06 | Patlabor221 | nothing shoudl have been changed |
| 02:49.22 | Patlabor221 | that's just a graphic change |
| 02:49.24 | Michaelhhhh | I still don't understand the question |
| 02:49.30 | creeperz | lol! |
| 02:49.39 | Patlabor221 | what in g2 missles don't you like that your 'g1' missiles had? |
| 02:49.44 | Oman | G2 has the cool super bullets and g1 has the Cool guided missiles |
| 02:49.53 | Patlabor221 | define "cool" |
| 02:50.01 | Patlabor221 | the graphic for the missiles did not change |
| 02:50.13 | Oman | they look beter |
| 02:50.13 | creeperz | ~dict cool |
| 02:50.13 | Oman | better |
| 02:50.13 | Patlabor221 | are you talking about the ones that look like a 3d missile? |
| 02:50.17 | Oman | yes |
| 02:50.20 | Patlabor221 | ohhhh |
| 02:50.25 | Michaelhhhh | That was some patch wasn't it? |
| 02:50.25 | creeperz | thats a patch? |
| 02:50.27 | Patlabor221 | you mean the GM model path |
| 02:50.28 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:50.34 | Patlabor221 | that was not in g1 |
| 02:50.38 | Patlabor221 | Tim didn't like it |
| 02:50.43 | Oman | It was for me |
| 02:50.44 | Patlabor221 | umm good luck geting that sucker in there |
| 02:50.46 | Oman | It still |
| 02:50.47 | creeperz | did you get the client from the zeebrothers site? |
| 02:50.51 | Oman | is |
| 02:50.52 | Patlabor221 | where did you get your "g1" ? |
| 02:50.53 | Michaelhhhh | god gave it thumbs down |
| 02:50.54 | Patlabor221 | not from SF |
| 02:51.12 | Oman | I got it a long time ago |
| 02:51.13 | Patlabor221 | you probably just got a versoion with the patch |
| 02:51.20 | Patlabor221 | just go get the patch and apply it |
| 02:51.22 | Patlabor221 | and pry |
| 02:51.24 | Patlabor221 | pray |
| 02:51.28 | Patlabor221 | pray HARD :) |
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| 02:51.41 | Patlabor221 | I don't know what they changed since I made that patch |
| 02:51.41 | Oman | I not a religus person |
| 02:51.47 | Patlabor221 | ok then burn a chciken |
| 02:51.52 | Patlabor221 | or creeper, whatever |
| 02:51.56 | creeperz | (the version with the patch was on the Zee brothers site) |
| 02:51.58 | Oman | lol |
| 02:52.01 | Patlabor221 | ohh reallly |
| 02:52.03 | Oman | Yes |
| 02:52.05 | Oman | it was |
| 02:52.05 | Patlabor221 | did they post source? |
| 02:52.09 | Oman | No |
| 02:52.16 | Patlabor221 | they can't do that |
| 02:52.24 | Oman | Well they did |
| 02:52.28 | Oman | it not up anymore |
| 02:52.30 | creeperz | i think my cat farted again... |
| 02:52.36 | Patlabor221 | creeperz: shut up |
| 02:52.49 | Patlabor221 | well the patch is on SF |
| 02:52.49 | creeperz | sorry |
| 02:52.53 | Oman | My dad saves the cool versions so i can mod the new ones |
| 02:52.56 | Patlabor221 | do you have a system that can build? |
| 02:53.02 | Oman | yes |
| 02:53.08 | creeperz | what do you use to apply patches anywho? |
| 02:53.09 | Oman | visual C++ |
| 02:53.12 | Patlabor221 | then get the patch and apply it |
| 02:53.21 | Oman | where the patch at |
| 02:53.24 | Patlabor221 | creeperz: for the 15th time, patch.exe |
| 02:53.25 | Oman | ??? |
| 02:53.30 | Patlabor221 | in the patches section on SF |
| 02:53.33 | Patlabor221 | where all code is |
| 02:53.36 | creeperz | where do i get patch.exe? |
| 02:53.38 | Oman | ok |
| 02:53.44 | Oman | I don't have the sorce though |
| 02:53.47 | Patlabor221 | again creeperz from SF, do a serch |
| 02:53.54 | creeperz | oewwww |
| 02:53.56 | creeperz | nifty |
| 02:54.00 | Patlabor221 | well then how were you gonna build? |
| 02:54.12 | Oman | I don't have the sorce code though |
| 02:54.19 | Patlabor221 | then get it |
| 02:54.28 | Oman | for g1 i don't got |
| 02:54.35 | Patlabor221 | you don't need that |
| 02:54.38 | Oman | I can't find g1 sorce anywhere |
| 02:54.42 | Patlabor221 | and stop sayin G1 |
| 02:54.47 | Patlabor221 | cus there was never a G1 release |
| 02:54.47 | Oman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.59 | Patlabor221 | g1 was the name for the dev builds before the g2 release |
| 02:55.08 | Patlabor221 | all CVS builds between g0 and g2 were called g1 |
| 02:55.13 | Patlabor221 | cus you have to have some version |
| 02:55.26 | Patlabor221 | and I keep telling you that code for the missile is not "in g1" |
| 02:55.27 | Patlabor221 | it's a patch |
| 02:55.31 | Patlabor221 | go get the missle patch |
| 02:55.41 | Patlabor221 | and apply it to the G2 code |
| 02:55.59 | Patlabor221 | it's all on source forge |
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| 02:56.52 | creeperz | 3rd most active project on sf |
| 02:57.04 | Patlabor221 | im very happy for it |
| 02:57.09 | guest926 | I am oman pat kick me |
| 02:57.18 | guest926 | THe Oman one though |
| 02:57.25 | Michaelhhhh | other people must have social lives |
| 02:57.26 | Patlabor221 | just ghost yourself |
| 02:57.26 | purple_cow | just being kicked from the channel won't let you change your nick |
| 02:57.34 | purple_cow | if it isn't registered, you have to wait for it to time out |
| 02:57.51 | guest926 | How do you ghost yourself |
| 02:58.00 | Patlabor221 | did you register your name? |
| 02:58.04 | guest926 | NO |
| 02:58.08 | guest926 | i didn't know how |
| 02:58.10 | Patlabor221 | then your screwed |
| 02:58.12 | Michaelhhhh | we're not that kind of people |
| 02:58.20 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:58.48 | Oman1 | there that work |
| 02:58.50 | Patlabor221 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=682463&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 02:58.52 | Patlabor221 | that is the patch |
| 02:59.04 | creeperz | patlabor221: searching for "patch" isn't very resourceful |
| 02:59.04 | Patlabor221 | actualy http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/patches/missile_diff.zip |
| 02:59.06 | Patlabor221 | that is the patch |
| 02:59.24 | Patlabor221 | usefull is the word you want, go back to english class |
| 02:59.27 | Michaelhhhh | you can also download versions by date and time from cvs |
| 02:59.58 | Patlabor221 | search for windows unix tools |
| 02:59.58 | Patlabor221 | or just get cygwin |
| 02:59.58 | Michaelhhhh | cygwin is the easiest thing |
| 03:00.04 | Oman1 | this is here my dad had the sorce on his web site so i could get it on the computer today but it not up any more |
| 03:00.07 | Patlabor221 | you should have it on your system, we have gone thru this like 5 times |
| 03:00.20 | Michaelhhhh | slow to download but the various malfunctioning versions of patch are not helpful |
| 03:00.23 | Oman1 | never mind |
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| 03:00.45 | Michaelhhhh | for windows that is |
| 03:00.46 | Patlabor221 | Oman1 I put a link to the patch zip there |
| 03:01.20 | Patlabor221 | and here is G2 source |
| 03:01.21 | Patlabor221 | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag17g2.zip?download |
| 03:01.28 | creeperz | patlabor21: i got to english on monday actually |
| 03:01.44 | Patlabor221 | pay atention this time |
| 03:01.55 | Patlabor221 | go != learn |
| 03:02.34 | Noodleman | <message type="subliminal">someone needs to give Patlabor221 a hug</message> |
| 03:02.36 | creeperz | Oman1: ok, get the patch, get the source. then all you do is merge the two together |
| 03:02.52 | Oman1 | I don't want to do all this stuff |
| 03:03.08 | Oman1 | I want my patch i have install already to use |
| 03:03.08 | Patlabor221 | how did you expect go get it in there then? |
| 03:03.14 | Noodleman | Oman1: if you don't want to do this stuff, why even ask how? |
| 03:03.19 | creeperz | noodleman: Oman1 needs a hug too |
| 03:03.27 | Noodleman | you are majorly wasting our time |
| 03:03.42 | creeperz | i dont wanna do it either :-D |
| 03:03.49 | Patlabor221 | like you could |
| 03:03.52 | Oman1 | Sorry i can't think strait it is 10:08 here |
| 03:04.01 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (~MAC@core-balt-5-69.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 03:04.04 | Patlabor221 | thats not that lage |
| 03:04.06 | Patlabor221 | late |
| 03:04.09 | creeperz | thank you patlabor221 for degrading me even more |
| 03:04.18 | Oman1 | So i only 10 though |
| 03:04.19 | Patlabor221 | the model missle was never a real feature |
| 03:04.29 | Patlabor221 | if it was, it wold not have been pulled from g2 |
| 03:04.43 | Patlabor221 | Tim did not like it, that's why it was made a patch |
| 03:04.48 | Patlabor221 | it "should" apply ok |
| 03:04.51 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 03:04.59 | Patlabor221 | and it does look cool :) |
| 03:05.08 | Patlabor221 | specialy when you turn it into a fish |
| 03:05.29 | Oman1 | would i have to go in the sorce to get it working |
| 03:05.38 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 03:05.43 | Patlabor221 | you don't know that till you try |
| 03:05.48 | Oman1 | Tell me yes or now |
| 03:05.50 | Patlabor221 | if nothing changed |
| 03:05.54 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 03:05.59 | Oman1 | OMG |
| 03:06.00 | Oman1 | crap |
| 03:06.14 | Patlabor221 | if there are no difrences between when I made the patch, then it will apply |
| 03:06.16 | creeperz | cat farted? |
| 03:06.28 | Patlabor221 | at least no changes in the sections the patch modifies |
| 03:06.35 | Patlabor221 | I don't have memory if it did change |
| 03:06.39 | Patlabor221 | all you can do is try |
| 03:06.56 | Oman1 | ok |
| 03:07.01 | Oman1 | It is done |
| 03:07.24 | Patlabor221 | build it and put the files in there and it shoudl go |
| 03:07.41 | Oman1 | I don't want to GO IN THE SORCE |
| 03:07.52 | Oman1 | I don't have the sorce |
| 03:07.59 | MrApathyCream | missile model is the best thing that has happend to bz for years |
| 03:08.01 | Noodleman | then DON'T GO INTO THE SORCE! |
| 03:08.06 | Patlabor221 | THEN HOW DO YOU EXPECT IT TO WORK |
| 03:08.10 | Patlabor221 | you have to buld it |
| 03:08.35 | MrApathyCream | or didn't as the case may be |
| 03:08.47 | Patlabor221 | building does not mean editing the code |
| 03:09.21 | Oman1 | Lol |
| 03:09.23 | Oman1 | haha |
| 03:09.26 | Patlabor221 | did the patch apply properly? |
| 03:09.39 | Michaelhhhh | it's like I said we need "You suck" as one of the built in answers to postings on sf |
| 03:10.10 | Michaelhhhh | right there with Thx applied to cvs |
| 03:10.16 | Michaelhhhh | You suck bigtime! |
| 03:10.25 | Patlabor221 | Michaelhhhh: what are you talking about? |
| 03:10.32 | creeperz | :-) |
| 03:10.44 | Michaelhhhh | on patches and feature requests |
| 03:10.46 | *** part/#bzflag Oman1 (~18f78b5b@server24.greatnet.de) |
| 03:10.47 | creeperz | i still cannot find unix tools for windows |
| 03:10.58 | Michaelhhhh | there is a built in response thingee you can select without typing in anything |
| 03:10.59 | *** join/#bzflag Oman (~18f78b5b@server24.greatnet.de) |
| 03:11.01 | Patlabor221 | do you even have a buld system creeper? |
| 03:11.04 | Oman | I back in |
| 03:11.11 | Patlabor221 | so we see |
| 03:11.17 | Patlabor221 | did the patch apply properlY? |
| 03:11.21 | Patlabor221 | did it give any errors? |
| 03:11.27 | Michaelhhhh | doubt it worked |
| 03:11.39 | Patlabor221 | Michaelhhhh: you have no basis for that fact |
| 03:11.40 | creeperz | oman: what version are you making? |
| 03:12.05 | MrApathyCream | creepers look for unixutils on sf |
| 03:12.20 | Michaelhhhh | well it depends on what people changed after you made the patch..... |
| 03:12.47 | Patlabor221 | yes, but only in those areas |
| 03:12.51 | Oman | I am going to name it 1.7g4 and i have more modds than the missels |
| 03:12.52 | Michaelhhhh | you probably know better than I |
| 03:13.00 | Michaelhhhh | o k |
| 03:13.01 | Patlabor221 | and I don't think any other changes were made to the GM shot drawing code |
| 03:13.24 | Patlabor221 | ok oman, then your gonna have to apply lots of patches |
| 03:13.36 | Oman | Like what |
| 03:13.38 | Patlabor221 | if they are in the same area then your gonna have to "go into the code" |
| 03:13.47 | Patlabor221 | umm like the other mods you just mentioned? |
| 03:13.54 | Patlabor221 | or are you just making a cheat client? |
| 03:13.55 | Oman | I don't got the come |
| 03:13.58 | Michaelhhhh | What other mods are these? |
| 03:14.00 | Oman | Not cheat |
| 03:14.06 | Patlabor221 | so where are the mods? |
| 03:14.06 | Oman | Not telling |
| 03:14.10 | Michaelhhhh | He's going to play with the PU |
| 03:14.14 | Oman | I made them myself |
| 03:14.18 | Oman | Not cheat |
| 03:14.24 | Patlabor221 | are you going to release source for this branch? |
| 03:14.34 | MrApathyCream | creepers: http://www.kastlfamily.com/class-docs/unixutils-howto.html |
| 03:14.35 | Oman | After i done maybe |
| 03:14.36 | creeperz | run, oman, run! |
| 03:14.47 | Oman | why |
| 03:14.48 | Michaelhhhh | heh |
| 03:14.50 | Patlabor221 | there is no maybe, you have to, it's part of the GPL liscene you agreed to |
| 03:15.03 | Oman | You don't get it |
| 03:15.06 | Patlabor221 | if you don't Tim can file litigation against you. |
| 03:15.09 | Oman | I might not make it |
| 03:15.12 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 03:15.16 | Oman | It might be to hard |
| 03:15.23 | Oman | Thats why i said maybe |
| 03:15.24 | Patlabor221 | so if your gonna make the mods, you have to go into the code |
| 03:15.31 | Michaelhhhh | or pat may come over to you house to inspect the code |
| 03:15.33 | Oman | I know |
| 03:15.40 | Oman | I going in tomorrow |
| 03:15.53 | Patlabor221 | what mods are you gonna make, perhaps we can help you? |
| 03:15.57 | bryjen | dont you only have to release source if you distribute the binaries? |
| 03:16.08 | creeperz | thats what i thought |
| 03:16.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah, cus if you don't release source or binarys, your not releaseing anything :) |
| 03:16.29 | Oman | LOL |
| 03:16.32 | Patlabor221 | oman, we can probably tell you how hard the mods will be |
| 03:16.52 | Oman | why can't i trype private messages |
| 03:16.57 | Oman | it sucks |
| 03:17.26 | Oman | I have help already |
| 03:17.26 | Patlabor221 | what IRC client are you using? |
| 03:17.36 | Patlabor221 | why so secretive? |
| 03:17.41 | Oman | I am useing th eone on Staryers site |
| 03:17.45 | Oman | lol |
| 03:17.53 | Patlabor221 | get a real IRC client |
| 03:17.57 | Patlabor221 | then you can do privates |
| 03:18.00 | scanline | like telnet |
| 03:18.02 | Oman | oh |
| 03:18.17 | Patlabor221 | and then you can register your name |
| 03:18.24 | Noodleman | why the heck does thedarksamurai want to "kick [me] s**tless"? |
| 03:18.31 | Noodleman | that's just silly |
| 03:18.43 | Oman | Well all the mods i do will be released if i finish um |
| 03:18.44 | Patlabor221 | would his foot not get all messy? |
| 03:18.49 | Noodleman | haha |
| 03:18.51 | Oman | yes |
| 03:18.53 | Noodleman | i guess it would |
| 03:18.59 | Patlabor221 | ok, but still why so secretive? |
| 03:19.17 | Michaelhhhh | secretive? |
| 03:19.24 | Patlabor221 | it's your perogive of course, but just seems odd |
| 03:19.25 | Oman | Because i don't want people to put in my mods befor i release mine |
| 03:19.48 | Patlabor221 | nobody is doing 1.7x mods at all so I think your safe |
| 03:19.51 | Michaelhhhh | that would be hard to do |
| 03:20.02 | Patlabor221 | and just discussing them would not let them do that |
| 03:20.11 | Patlabor221 | perhaps people here would even help |
| 03:20.21 | Patlabor221 | being all opensourcy and stuff |
| 03:20.23 | Michaelhhhh | perhaps not |
| 03:20.30 | Oman | I dunno about that though |
| 03:20.41 | Patlabor221 | why do you say that? |
| 03:20.51 | Michaelhhhh | never mind |
| 03:20.54 | Patlabor221 | are they major gameplay mods? |
| 03:21.02 | Oman | cause i am rewriting most of the sorce |
| 03:21.03 | Patlabor221 | a lot of people like those, just Tim dosn't |
| 03:21.04 | Noodleman | and besides, how are you going to make mods if you don't want to get into the source? |
| 03:21.08 | Michaelhhhh | ? |
| 03:21.15 | Patlabor221 | most? |
| 03:21.20 | Patlabor221 | like all the platform stuff? |
| 03:21.25 | Patlabor221 | or just changing the game part? |
| 03:21.28 | Michaelhhhh | of the 1.7? source |
| 03:21.46 | Patlabor221 | if you are changing the game part you should make it have it's own version for the procoll so old clients can't connect to it |
| 03:21.52 | Patlabor221 | game mods are cool |
| 03:21.59 | Patlabor221 | I started one then lost intrest |
| 03:21.59 | Oman | Well i am going to change game mods |
| 03:22.13 | Patlabor221 | ok so your making what we call a fork or branch |
| 03:22.19 | Oman | I am makeing a cam mod |
| 03:22.22 | Michaelhhhh | or a spoon |
| 03:22.23 | creeperz | make a bullet that kills yourself instantly |
| 03:22.27 | Oman | ngame mod |
| 03:22.27 | creeperz | that'd be popular |
| 03:22.35 | Michaelhhhh | lol |
| 03:22.46 | Oman | lol |
| 03:23.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [-q *!*@creeperz*.*] by Patlabor221 |
| 03:23.19 | Oman | I am really tired i have been on the computer for 5 hours non stop |
| 03:23.31 | Patlabor221 | sounds like a slow day for me :) |
| 03:23.46 | creeperz | ouch |
| 03:23.48 | Oman | lol |
| 03:24.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [-q *!creeperz*@*] by Patlabor221 |
| 03:24.16 | creeperz | ouch |
| 03:24.26 | Oman | I might just make a whole different game |
| 03:24.32 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 03:24.35 | Oman | Different taks |
| 03:24.40 | Oman | tanks |
| 03:24.45 | Patlabor221 | that is the point of the opensourceness |
| 03:25.01 | Patlabor221 | I made some other tank models if you would like to use them |
| 03:25.08 | Oman | yeah |
| 03:25.09 | Oman | thanks |
| 03:25.29 | Patlabor221 | it sounds like your going to make a lot of changes |
| 03:25.37 | Patlabor221 | that will involve lots of code |
| 03:25.42 | Oman | Is there a game called Battel Tank? |
| 03:25.43 | Patlabor221 | it will probably not be easy |
| 03:25.45 | Oman | I know |
| 03:25.52 | Patlabor221 | but it can be very very fun |
| 03:25.54 | Oman | My dad is smart |
| 03:26.02 | Patlabor221 | I seem to recall an old game called that |
| 03:26.08 | Patlabor221 | was a tech demp |
| 03:26.09 | Oman | Ok |
| 03:26.10 | Patlabor221 | it sucked |
| 03:26.16 | Patlabor221 | big time |
| 03:26.22 | Oman | I trying to think of a game name |
| 03:26.44 | Patlabor221 | I'd make the game first, names are easy to change :) |
| 03:27.18 | creeperz | Dr. Giggles' Wacky Tank Game? |
| 03:27.27 | Oman | well i just want to post That i am makeing a Game Called____________. |
| 03:27.51 | Patlabor221 | if your going to change a lot of the code you may want to ask those here where the thigns you want are as your working. the code is not that easy to follow, and usualy people here will point you in the right direction. |
| 03:27.55 | Noodleman | Dr. Giggles |
| 03:28.06 | Noodleman | sounds like a blank map with 100 shots and lasers |
| 03:28.12 | Noodleman | deja vu... |
| 03:28.13 | Oman | lol |
| 03:28.13 | creeperz | :-) |
| 03:28.20 | Patlabor221 | what you mean his perfect server? |
| 03:28.24 | Patlabor221 | muchkin land |
| 03:28.28 | Oman | lol |
| 03:28.34 | Noodleman | i ran a server like that once |
| 03:28.43 | Noodleman | nobody good ever played on it |
| 03:28.48 | Noodleman | except me |
| 03:28.52 | creeperz | i played on it! |
| 03:28.55 | creeperz | ...wait |
| 03:28.57 | Noodleman | haha |
| 03:28.57 | Patlabor221 | if that is what they are looking for they shoudl jsut go play cube |
| 03:28.59 | doughecka | :) |
| 03:28.59 | creeperz | :-( |
| 03:29.10 | creeperz | cube is a good game |
| 03:29.12 | Oman | I bet people who wen't on it got really bad -scores |
| 03:29.21 | Patlabor221 | no cube is a good engine, it has a very weak game |
| 03:29.31 | Patlabor221 | what 4 weps? |
| 03:29.32 | creeperz | ok, it sux0rz |
| 03:29.34 | Oman | lol |
| 03:29.36 | doughecka | yea |
| 03:29.38 | Patlabor221 | no it dosn't suck |
| 03:29.42 | Patlabor221 | it is what it is |
| 03:29.48 | Patlabor221 | it does many things well |
| 03:29.50 | creeperz | "origional" |
| 03:29.55 | Patlabor221 | just gameplay isn't it's strong point |
| 03:29.56 | creeperz | i like the map editor |
| 03:30.03 | doughecka | needs more things... I suppose you could yank the engine and rebuild a game around it |
| 03:30.06 | Patlabor221 | that is one of it's strong points |
| 03:30.30 | creeperz | someone should talk to tim bout that |
| 03:30.31 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: did the OpenGLTexFont::draw ever get fixed? |
| 03:30.31 | Patlabor221 | that is the point of it, to get the engine out there, there are some projcets based on it |
| 03:30.35 | Oman | Any of you know blast |
| 03:30.36 | Oman | ? |
| 03:30.45 | Patlabor221 | I have heard of him |
| 03:30.49 | Patlabor221 | and his XL project |
| 03:30.51 | creeperz | i know armegetron |
| 03:30.53 | Patlabor221 | seems interesting |
| 03:30.59 | Oman | I like his xl Project |
| 03:30.59 | creeperz | and gltron |
| 03:31.07 | Patlabor221 | MrApathyCream: ask chestal and learner they were working on it |
| 03:31.09 | Oman | He did good |
| 03:31.11 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 03:31.15 | Patlabor221 | Chestal, saw how bad the gl code was |
| 03:31.22 | Oman | I hate that people say it is a cheat the xl project |
| 03:31.33 | creeperz | what xl project? |
| 03:31.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah he did a decent job |
| 03:31.46 | Oman | OMG |
| 03:31.51 | Patlabor221 | it shows what a nice branch is |
| 03:31.58 | Patlabor221 | and what can be done |
| 03:32.30 | Patlabor221 | the stuff the AI class is working on seem really cool too |
| 03:32.41 | Michaelhhhh | whatever was wrong with OpenGLTexFont::draw anyway? I posted about that bug some odd months ago |
| 03:32.52 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 03:33.00 | Patlabor221 | well lots of things in GL are busted |
| 03:33.04 | Patlabor221 | lists are screwed |
| 03:33.05 | Michaelhhhh | if it was the same thing..... |
| 03:33.15 | Patlabor221 | the glbegin thing is just one small problem |
| 03:33.21 | Patlabor221 | chestal was making some changes |
| 03:33.34 | Patlabor221 | but he was seeing how big of a mess it was |
| 03:33.59 | Patlabor221 | it is yet another example of code that trys to be clever, but ends up just wrong |
| 03:34.08 | Oman | Pat can you send me thouse Mods of the tanks |
| 03:34.17 | Patlabor221 | they are not mods |
| 03:34.20 | Patlabor221 | they are just models |
| 03:34.26 | Oman | Ok Models |
| 03:34.28 | Oman | lol |
| 03:34.32 | Patlabor221 | you would have to implement a model reader in the code |
| 03:34.40 | Oman | I know |
| 03:34.42 | Patlabor221 | what kinda tanks do you want |
| 03:34.44 | Patlabor221 | I have many |
| 03:35.01 | Oman | Can you send a example |
| 03:35.10 | Oman | lol |
| 03:35.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah I had a page with pictures of them |
| 03:35.13 | Patlabor221 | let me find them |
| 03:35.16 | Patlabor221 | one moment |
| 03:35.17 | Oman | ok |
| 03:35.24 | Michaelhhhh | He has a whole army in fact |
| 03:35.33 | Oman | LOL |
| 03:35.36 | Patlabor221 | well 6 or so |
| 03:35.45 | Oman | ok thats fine |
| 03:35.46 | Michaelhhhh | He likes to oppress his people and accumulate larges sums of cash |
| 03:35.59 | CIA-5 | 03micahjd * 12CVSROOT/ (ciabot.pl): Bring BZFlag into the CIA XML beta test |
| 03:36.01 | Patlabor221 | and put it all into diabolical research |
| 03:36.04 | Michaelhhhh | He hopes to become a third world dictator soon |
| 03:36.16 | Oman | lol |
| 03:36.51 | Patlabor221 | I just don't recall on what web server I put them all |
| 03:36.57 | Michaelhhhh | CIA-5 you suck don't you? |
| 03:37.04 | Oman | LOL pat |
| 03:37.07 | doughecka | yay, cia is back |
| 03:37.14 | Michaelhhhh | it keeps going away |
| 03:37.17 | Michaelhhhh | however |
| 03:37.20 | Patlabor221 | it's been back for a while there skip |
| 03:37.27 | Patlabor221 | yeah it floods and rejoins |
| 03:37.38 | doughecka | wasnt here yesterday... file system trouble on navi? |
| 03:37.44 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:38.08 | Oman | Pat keep looking don't get distracted |
| 03:38.16 | doughecka | lol |
| 03:38.43 | Oman | Pat keep looking don't get distracted |
| 03:39.08 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky/ |
| 03:39.10 | Patlabor221 | thats one |
| 03:39.26 | Oman | cool |
| 03:39.54 | creeperz | purtyful |
| 03:40.07 | Oman | ANYOTHERS |
| 03:40.12 | Oman | that look good |
| 03:40.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah I'm looking for them |
| 03:40.23 | Oman | lol |
| 03:40.25 | Patlabor221 | I guess I don't have the page that had them all |
| 03:40.40 | Oman | AH man |
| 03:40.52 | Patlabor221 | but the rest are around here |
| 03:41.16 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/BZTank.jpg |
| 03:41.20 | Patlabor221 | that is a mod of the bz tank |
| 03:41.43 | Oman | not the best |
| 03:41.47 | Oman | lol ha ha |
| 03:41.55 | Patlabor221 | it was trying to be close to the existing one |
| 03:42.20 | Oman | oh |
| 03:42.27 | Oman | any other you can find |
| 03:42.52 | CIA-5 | 03micahjd * 10CVSROOT/ciabot.pl: I hate CVS |
| 03:43.03 | scanline | yay |
| 03:43.07 | scanline | bzflag now uses XML commit messages |
| 03:44.07 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/Hover1.jpg |
| 03:44.31 | Oman | i might use that one |
| 03:44.43 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/Mk.III.png |
| 03:45.15 | Oman | I might use that one |
| 03:45.53 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/minitank.jpg |
| 03:46.19 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: slip the 'close to bz' one in to hitank :) |
| 03:46.54 | Oman | i might use that one |
| 03:47.36 | Patlabor221 | ahh here is the page |
| 03:47.36 | Patlabor221 | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/rtmodels/ |
| 03:48.02 | Patlabor221 | a guy working on a quake mod wanted to use some of my stuff, so I made that page |
| 03:48.44 | Patlabor221 | there is a model reader class in that GM model patch |
| 03:48.53 | Patlabor221 | it could be use to draw any model, even tanks |
| 03:48.58 | Patlabor221 | that was the eventual plan |
| 03:49.31 | Oman | I am going to use the Mk.3 |
| 03:49.39 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 03:49.50 | Patlabor221 | that's the model I used in the screamers tech demo |
| 03:50.07 | Oman | really |
| 03:50.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:50.16 | Oman | I'll use a differen't one than |
| 03:50.35 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 03:50.42 | Patlabor221 | the tech demo is dead |
| 03:50.54 | creeperz | patlabor221: youre good at modeling |
| 03:51.02 | Patlabor221 | I'm not that good |
| 03:51.28 | Oman | ok I use Mk.3 then |
| 03:51.47 | creeperz | you should put the mk3 in bz :-D |
| 03:51.55 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/files/Mk3.zip |
| 03:52.05 | Patlabor221 | but don't get it for 1 min and 4 seconds |
| 03:52.15 | Patlabor221 | I had the mk3 in bz at one point |
| 03:52.27 | Patlabor221 | but it got fugly in the code |
| 03:52.30 | creeperz | coool :-) |
| 03:52.35 | creeperz | not coool :-( |
| 03:52.56 | Patlabor221 | ok it's uploaded |
| 03:53.09 | creeperz | what did you build the mk3 with? |
| 03:53.19 | Patlabor221 | lightwave |
| 03:53.27 | creeperz | mk4? |
| 03:53.41 | Patlabor221 | the same |
| 03:53.44 | creeperz | cool |
| 03:53.47 | Oman | where i upload it at |
| 03:53.53 | Patlabor221 | mk4s not textured yet |
| 03:53.57 | creeperz | what about the "it was supposed to be a tank" tank |
| 03:54.07 | Patlabor221 | no, I uploaded it, you just have to dowload it |
| 03:54.14 | Patlabor221 | just click that ling |
| 03:54.16 | Oman | where i download it |
| 03:54.28 | Patlabor221 | umm where ever you want |
| 03:54.31 | Patlabor221 | it's just a zip file |
| 03:54.39 | Patlabor221 | creeperz: I do all my modeling in lightwave |
| 03:54.47 | Patlabor221 | cept that what I do in virtual |
| 03:55.35 | Oman | I got it dowloading |
| 03:56.10 | creeperz | the blue mk3 looks schweet |
| 03:56.24 | Patlabor221 | all the skins are in that zip |
| 03:56.35 | Oman | Do i have to build it |
| 03:57.27 | Patlabor221 | build? |
| 03:57.30 | Patlabor221 | it's just a model man |
| 03:57.42 | Patlabor221 | like I say, bz does not support models |
| 03:57.48 | Patlabor221 | you will have to implement model supprot |
| 03:57.54 | Patlabor221 | or convert it to openGL C code |
| 03:57.59 | Oman | ok |
| 03:58.06 | Patlabor221 | now sadly I wish I could model this good, http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/render_0003copy.jpg |
| 03:58.27 | Oman | thats good |
| 03:58.37 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 03:58.45 | Patlabor221 | it took forever to render that one |
| 03:58.52 | Oman | yours are better than i could do |
| 03:59.10 | Patlabor221 | well thanks |
| 04:00.26 | creeperz | end of the barrel looks a little "off" |
| 04:00.35 | Patlabor221 | its the lighting |
| 04:00.36 | Oman | lol |
| 04:00.41 | Patlabor221 | I put too much shine in the render |
| 04:00.46 | creeperz | a hole isnt suppose to reflect light! :-) |
| 04:00.48 | creeperz | kidding |
| 04:01.23 | creeperz | seriously though, i dont think a hole should reflect light :-/ |
| 04:01.35 | Patlabor221 | no it's not suposed too |
| 04:01.49 | Patlabor221 | hence my statement that I put too much shine on it |
| 04:01.58 | Patlabor221 | the hole is not in the model, it's in the texture |
| 04:04.14 | creeperz | geez |
| 04:04.21 | creeperz | lozza money for a modeler |
| 04:04.39 | Patlabor221 | usualy 2-5k for a comercial one |
| 04:04.45 | Patlabor221 | milkshape is cheap |
| 04:04.48 | Patlabor221 | blender is free |
| 04:05.25 | creeperz | blender is the hardest thing ive seen since my dads cooking |
| 04:05.47 | creeperz | milkshape is neat though |
| 04:05.48 | scanline | Patlabor221: cool rendering, though the model needs more polys :) |
| 04:06.05 | Patlabor221 | it does |
| 04:06.09 | Patlabor221 | I did not model it :) |
| 04:06.32 | Patlabor221 | you will like the mk 5 it's all roundy and shit :) |
| 04:06.35 | Oman | so how do i get it into 3d mode |
| 04:06.44 | Patlabor221 | in what? |
| 04:06.49 | Patlabor221 | what 3d app you using? |
| 04:07.00 | Oman | I dunno |
| 04:07.11 | scanline | heh |
| 04:07.12 | Patlabor221 | then how do you expect it to show in "3d mode" ? |
| 04:07.14 | Oman | I just looking at it in XnWiew |
| 04:07.21 | Patlabor221 | does it support 3d models? |
| 04:07.31 | Oman | XnView i don't think so |
| 04:07.39 | Patlabor221 | then ain't gonna show in 3d |
| 04:07.49 | Patlabor221 | get something that reads OBJ files for your OS |
| 04:07.51 | Oman | What program will |
| 04:07.56 | Patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 04:08.02 | Patlabor221 | there are many many that will |
| 04:08.16 | Oman | name one that i sould get |
| 04:08.20 | Patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 04:08.26 | Oman | Windoes |
| 04:08.37 | scanline | Patlabor221: if someone does't know what OS they're running there's usually an easy answer... |
| 04:08.44 | Patlabor221 | I use milkshape for viewing, texturing and file conversion |
| 04:08.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah I know scanline |
| 04:08.50 | creeperz | scanline :-) |
| 04:08.53 | scanline | ;) |
| 04:08.55 | Patlabor221 | that was where I was going next |
| 04:09.17 | Patlabor221 | http://www.swissquake.ch/chumbalum-soft/ms3d/download.html |
| 04:09.25 | Patlabor221 | milkshape is a good tool |
| 04:09.44 | creeperz | and cheaperz |
| 04:09.51 | Patlabor221 | supports a huge number of formats and has a plugin system |
| 04:09.56 | Oman | does it cost Money |
| 04:09.57 | Patlabor221 | it's free for 30 days too |
| 04:10.03 | Oman | lol |
| 04:10.03 | creeperz | $30 |
| 04:10.16 | creeperz | i dont beleive it renders though |
| 04:10.16 | Oman | could i get it off Kaza |
| 04:10.25 | creeperz | :-O |
| 04:10.27 | Patlabor221 | probably not |
| 04:10.37 | Oman | ok |
| 04:10.39 | Oman | THanks |
| 04:10.41 | Patlabor221 | since it would be the same as the one you download |
| 04:10.41 | creeperz | no, ive already tried numerous times |
| 04:10.51 | captain_proton | its bad to pirate software |
| 04:10.52 | Patlabor221 | you just pay for the registration |
| 04:10.57 | Patlabor221 | or just get blender |
| 04:11.02 | scanline | Oman: heh, rather steal a $30 program than learn how to use something free or pay for milkshape? |
| 04:11.12 | Oman | lol |
| 04:11.26 | Patlabor221 | Milkshape is only $25 |
| 04:11.32 | scanline | Oman: PIRATE!!!!! |
| 04:11.56 | creeperz | screw you too! |
| 04:12.03 | creeperz | oh, you were talking to him |
| 04:12.05 | Oman | lol |
| 04:12.11 | creeperz | sorry :-) |
| 04:12.20 | creeperz | is rhino any good? |
| 04:12.23 | Patlabor221 | there are a couple of free modelers |
| 04:12.33 | Patlabor221 | it's a very powerufll surface CAD/CAM modeler |
| 04:12.43 | creeperz | milkshapeless |
| 04:12.44 | Patlabor221 | it is not made really for game type stuff |
| 04:13.18 | creeperz | and i spose there isnt a trial for lightwave then? |
| 04:13.23 | Patlabor221 | your not gonna go make me write them down again are you? |
| 04:13.37 | Patlabor221 | check the newtek site creeperz |
| 04:13.41 | Patlabor221 | but it's outa your leauge |
| 04:13.45 | Patlabor221 | just go get blender |
| 04:13.45 | creeperz | i know |
| 04:13.48 | Patlabor221 | or one of the other free ones |
| 04:13.50 | creeperz | i have blender |
| 04:13.55 | Patlabor221 | then use it |
| 04:14.03 | creeperz | it chops nicely thank you very much! |
| 04:14.08 | Patlabor221 | or get ppModeler |
| 04:14.25 | creeperz | lol |
| 04:14.34 | Patlabor221 | and there is one that is like a free port of myia |
| 04:14.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah you would find that name funny |
| 04:15.01 | creeperz | of course |
| 04:15.16 | creeperz | i can only imagine a catchy slogan |
| 04:15.17 | Patlabor221 | http://www.ppmodeler.com/ppmodeler/features.php |
| 04:15.37 | creeperz | purty |
| 04:15.38 | Patlabor221 | if your too cheap to get milkshape |
| 04:15.59 | Oman | Milkshape won't open Your Things |
| 04:16.04 | Oman | Mk3 |
| 04:16.06 | Patlabor221 | go to import |
| 04:16.07 | Patlabor221 | not open |
| 04:16.10 | Oman | ok |
| 04:16.13 | Patlabor221 | import a wavefront obj file |
| 04:16.21 | Oman | ok |
| 04:17.53 | Oman | how do i make it not hollow |
| 04:18.04 | Patlabor221 | zoom out |
| 04:18.14 | Oman | i did |
| 04:18.23 | Patlabor221 | do you mean textured? |
| 04:18.27 | Patlabor221 | and not just white? |
| 04:18.39 | Oman | Textured |
| 04:18.43 | Oman | duh |
| 04:18.50 | Patlabor221 | excuse me? |
| 04:18.57 | Patlabor221 | go to materials |
| 04:18.59 | Patlabor221 | and pick a texture |
| 04:19.06 | creeperz | excuse me too |
| 04:19.20 | Patlabor221 | the first button that says <none> |
| 04:19.23 | creeperz | cabbage is the world most hatin' thing ever |
| 04:19.26 | Oman | ok |
| 04:19.42 | Patlabor221 | then right click on the 3d view and change it to textured after you have picked a file |
| 04:20.17 | Oman | i can't find Materials |
| 04:20.26 | Oman | found it |
| 04:22.35 | Patlabor221 | there are some modeling tutorials on that site, you may want to look thru them to see how the app works |
| 04:22.50 | creeperz | yay i made a 1/4 arc! :-) |
| 04:22.53 | Oman | it dosen't look right |
| 04:23.07 | Patlabor221 | define "right" ? |
| 04:23.33 | creeperz | ~dict right |
| 04:23.46 | Patlabor221 | you are soo close creeperz don't push it |
| 04:23.51 | creeperz | sorry |
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| 04:26.11 | Oman | it is just on a sphear |
| 04:26.18 | Oman | not on the model its self |
| 04:26.28 | Patlabor221 | yeah, that is the texture preview |
| 04:26.37 | Oman | than what do i do |
| 04:26.38 | Patlabor221 | now right click in the 3d view ( where the model is ) |
| 04:26.44 | Patlabor221 | and change the view to textured |
| 04:26.48 | Oman | ok |
| 04:26.54 | Patlabor221 | the same texture can be used for multiple models |
| 04:27.01 | Patlabor221 | so the preview is allways a sphere |
| 04:27.08 | Patlabor221 | it's very common in modelers |
| 04:27.58 | Oman | thanks |
| 04:28.02 | Oman | it worked |
| 04:28.05 | Oman | bye all |
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| 04:37.51 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/doc/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Start pacifying scanline |
| 04:38.28 | scanline | ooh, that sounds promising |
| 04:39.05 | scanline | and looky, MAC has his own page now |
| 04:39.07 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/dbrosius |
| 04:39.44 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 04:39.57 | captain_proton | scanline: so when will people be able to associate a photo URL with that? >:) |
| 04:40.20 | scanline | captain_proton: can already do that, though not without a key and some command line twiddling |
| 04:40.42 | captain_proton | scanline: and have it show up on the page? ;) |
| 04:40.48 | scanline | hmm... that would be cool :) |
| 04:44.26 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:45.23 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:45.40 | scanline | also need to decide whether the photo metadata key should just be a URL or the actual image |
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| 04:49.28 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/doc/guide/NetworkProtocol.xml: more protocol |
| 04:51.15 | scanline | yay, photo support |
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| 04:51.20 | scanline | MrApathyCream: we need a picture of you :) |
| 04:51.21 | MrApathyCream | umm, one sec |
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| 04:52.20 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/MAC.jpg |
| 04:52.39 | learner | :) |
| 04:53.30 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:54.13 | MrApathyCream | huh? |
| 04:54.18 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:55.48 | captain_proton | odd, i'm getting a broken image |
| 04:55.50 | scanline | aww |
| 04:56.00 | MrApathyCream | learner: fix the OpenGLTexFont::draw problem? |
| 04:56.06 | scanline | maybe MrApathyCream has one of those thingies that block images from being used when the referrer is on a different server |
| 04:56.19 | captain_proton | scanline: could dupe it on navi ;) |
| 04:56.31 | Patlabor221 | how is ol navi doing? |
| 04:56.41 | MrApathyCream | scanline: not on purpose |
| 04:56.44 | MrApathyCream | maybe my provider? |
| 04:56.47 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: currently checking to see if we can find another broken disk |
| 04:56.48 | scanline | yep, that or make a photo_image metadata key that can store the actual photo in the stats db |
| 05:01.36 | scanline | bah, my CSS skillz are rusty |
| 05:02.16 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream: wow, is that really you? |
| 05:02.24 | MrApathyCream | sheesh, yes of course |
| 05:03.02 | gonkulator | thats one big nose |
| 05:03.44 | MrApathyCream | well lets see your mug |
| 05:04.22 | Patlabor221 | I think baging on somones face is a banable offence |
| 05:04.35 | gonkulator | http://ion.picogui.org/brandon.jpg |
| 05:04.37 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:05.35 | MrApathyCream | heh, np |
| 05:05.49 | Patlabor221 | nice horsie hat |
| 05:07.29 | scanline | damnit |
| 05:07.45 | scanline | I think mozilla treats <div/> to be the same as <div> if you don't specify an XHTML doctype |
| 05:08.26 | MrApathyCream | why would you use <div/> ? |
| 05:08.32 | MrApathyCream | that makes no sense |
| 05:08.38 | captain_proton | probably <div class="blah"/< |
| 05:08.51 | captain_proton | such that its just got some formatting |
| 05:09.14 | Patlabor221 | it's just there for formating I thought |
| 05:09.26 | Patlabor221 | I se it used instead of tables |
| 05:09.34 | MrApathyCream | an empty container? |
| 05:09.39 | MrApathyCream | o k |
| 05:10.09 | Patlabor221 | I never understood the / at the end |
| 05:10.11 | scanline | well, CIA uses an empty div to format the beginning of a section |
| 05:10.19 | scanline | and I was using one to test some photo formatting |
| 05:10.20 | MrApathyCream | <foo/> == <foo></foo> |
| 05:10.28 | Patlabor221 | but then every html page I make has to be fixed by the HTML guys :) |
| 05:13.46 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: get anywhere with the great unification process of 2004? |
| 05:14.16 | Patlabor221 | no, usbeckistan is still being a bunch of pissy bastards |
| 05:14.32 | MrApathyCream | mmmm, i meant VC6/VC6_sdk |
| 05:14.37 | Patlabor221 | I'm thinking of just sending in the moible suit devision |
| 05:14.39 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 05:14.40 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:14.56 | Michaelhhhh | someone acused my of cheating because I had lots of dots in my email address |
| 05:15.29 | Patlabor221 | acutaly yeah I did get somewhere |
| 05:15.35 | Patlabor221 | I have a thing I think works |
| 05:15.38 | Patlabor221 | but I want to test it at work |
| 05:16.31 | Patlabor221 | I made some changes and was able to get the thing to build on my system before and after the update |
| 05:16.47 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 05:17.17 | Patlabor221 | then I decided to make purdy clouds even faster |
| 05:18.15 | Patlabor221 | http://ryoko.bakadigital.com/temp/clouds.png |
| 05:18.40 | Patlabor221 | and they would be compatable with the bz software requirement, and work ok in hardware |
| 05:19.30 | scanline | this is bizarre.. I add the DOCTYPE and xmlns, and now some of my CSS formatting doesn't work |
| 05:19.56 | learner | MrApathyCream: oh yeah.. I don't know if you caught me saying it last night before you left, but I do think the problem is in that routine -- at least the lighting crash bug |
| 05:20.09 | learner | i played for quite a while with the routine disabled, and all was fine |
| 05:20.16 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 05:20.35 | MrApathyCream | scanline DTD and schema? |
| 05:20.47 | Michaelhhhh | pat, can't get that url to work |
| 05:20.57 | Michaelhhhh | oops nevermind |
| 05:21.16 | MrApathyCream | now if it wasn't incomprehensible to even refactor |
| 05:21.23 | scanline | MrApathyCream: well, DTD at least |
| 05:21.32 | scanline | same stuff that works on my static HTML pages |
| 05:21.53 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/stats |
| 05:22.01 | MrApathyCream | boo for DTDs |
| 05:22.26 | scanline | yeah, DTDs are ugly.. but I'm not writing one, I'm pleasing the XHTML validator :) |
| 05:25.14 | MrApathyCream | maybe this is one of those tough problems that captain_proton will fix |
| 05:25.17 | MrApathyCream | naaaaaaaaah |
| 05:25.21 | MrApathyCream | just kiddin |
| 05:25.23 | Carnage_ | any admins for artoo.net? |
| 05:25.35 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: don't scare me like that |
| 05:25.36 | Patlabor221 | MrApathyCream: I just vote replace it all |
| 05:25.49 | scanline | yeah, bizarre... I remove the <!DOCTYPE> and the formatting works |
| 05:26.07 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: we all agree, and we all agree you're the guy to do it:) |
| 05:26.24 | Patlabor221 | can't, no CVS branch do it in |
| 05:26.32 | Patlabor221 | so I'm stuck working in my test app |
| 05:27.01 | Patlabor221 | and we know how welcome my 3d patches are |
| 05:27.55 | Patlabor221 | chestal wants to keep software rendering |
| 05:27.56 | MrApathyCream | tim said you can create a branch for new features :) |
| 05:28.05 | MrApathyCream | of course chestal does :) |
| 05:28.16 | Patlabor221 | I don't want to make a branch, it should be done in head |
| 05:28.27 | Patlabor221 | and the stuff isn't on the list till 20 |
| 05:28.29 | Patlabor221 | 2.0 |
| 05:28.32 | Patlabor221 | so I got some time |
| 05:28.40 | Patlabor221 | next version is karma |
| 05:28.51 | Patlabor221 | then after that is some fluff |
| 05:29.02 | captain_proton | yay, fluff |
| 05:29.56 | Patlabor221 | probaly should wait for the game lib to be done |
| 05:30.36 | Patlabor221 | less code to rip up |
| 05:31.10 | Patlabor221 | also need a plan for what the desired GL feature set is, keep all that is there now, or streamline it |
| 05:31.30 | Patlabor221 | like just make textures on/off, not every interpolation mode known to man |
| 05:31.39 | Patlabor221 | that makes the sate stuff a lot easyer |
| 05:32.18 | scanline | ohh |
| 05:33.43 | Patlabor221 | tell ya what MAC, I'll make the parts and you can hook them up :) |
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| 06:35.15 | Patlabor221 | bandwidth.... going...... vision...darkening.... will to live.... fading..... |
| 06:44.20 | ninjer_proton | heh |
| 06:45.00 | ninjer_proton | it'll all be over in 2h |
| 06:47.51 | Patlabor221 | too bad I don't have that dual DSL think like you got, thenI could have 512 up |
| 06:48.00 | Patlabor221 | what speed are you geting? |
| 06:53.27 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): one small step |
| 06:56.00 | ninjer_proton | Patlabor221: about 26KB/s |
| 06:57.56 | MrApathyCream | this zombie-time really stinks |
| 06:58.24 | Patlabor221 | shotguns work well against the undead |
| 07:10.48 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/BUGS: perhaps draw is ok |
| 07:53.12 | scanline | yay, metadata |
| 07:53.13 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/dbrosius |
| 07:53.24 | scanline | now that photo is hosted by CIA rather than just being a link =) |
| 08:11.40 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 08:12.30 | MrApathyCream | time for bed |
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| 09:28.11 | scanline | ninjer_proton: I need a bzflag screenshot for metadata testing.. got a favorite? |
| 09:32.13 | scanline | ah well, too late |
| 09:32.14 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag |
| 09:32.24 | scanline | turns out quite cute :) |
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| 09:34.49 | ninjer_proton | ooh, 1.8 |
| 09:35.40 | scanline | yeah, there didn't seem to be any non-ancient screenshots on bzflag.org |
| 09:36.51 | scanline | didn't feel like taking a new one |
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| 10:25.28 | FearPasion710 | hey can someone give me the config file for spirals to run the server? |
| 10:25.30 | FearPasion710 | Please |
| 10:25.50 | FearPasion710 | i need a configuration file to run a server? |
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| 10:56.14 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/ogl/OpenGLTexFont.cxx: rip out some duplicate/unneeded includes |
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| 11:28.06 | Tupone | Chestal: I found a quick fix for the resolution change |
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| 11:40.39 | Chestal | hi Tupone |
| 11:40.40 | Chestal | hmm, how? |
| 11:40.51 | Tupone | I did not destroy the glXcontext |
| 11:41.13 | Tupone | I just make it unassociated to any window |
| 11:41.14 | Chestal | hm, could work |
| 11:41.41 | Chestal | however, the problem persists, there might be cases on other platforms where you have to create new contexts |
| 11:41.41 | Tupone | It cannot work, if visual is different |
| 11:41.41 | Chestal | it's conceptually messed up |
| 11:42.12 | Tupone | I think that we should destroy context, before cloning a new one |
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| 11:42.12 | Tupone | s/before/after/ |
| 11:42.44 | Chestal | and gl is partly to blame |
| 11:42.45 | Tupone | you can share list and state between context |
| 11:42.45 | Chestal | but with gl designed as is (althoguh I see it as a mistake), bzflag handles it wrong |
| 11:43.20 | sussudio | GDI Generic mode kinda sux0rs |
| 11:43.20 | Chestal | yes, you can, but as far as I see the default is to share nothing |
| 11:43.20 | Tupone | so GL is not wrong |
| 11:43.20 | Tupone | only bzflag handling of it |
| 11:43.35 | Chestal | well |
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| 11:44.05 | Tupone | so You wanna try? |
| 11:44.05 | Chestal | it's a design error IMHO that the context is implicit |
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| 11:45.00 | Tupone | voidXWindow::deactivateAll() |
| 11:45.00 | Tupone | { |
| 11:45.00 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.00 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.00 | Tupone | } |
| 11:45.00 | Chestal | Tupone: I'd rather have a solution which woudl also fix the Windows problem etc. |
| 11:45.00 | Chestal | I don't want to go ahead and work around all the problems for each platform |
| 11:45.28 | Chestal | also, there is the other strange effect I describe, I do not understand it |
| 11:45.50 | Tupone | this handling is wrong, and if you don't change that at platform, you should not use this procedure |
| 11:46.53 | Tupone | what strange effect? |
| 11:47.21 | Chestal | the temporal messup |
| 11:47.31 | Chestal | even when I disable all glDelete statements |
| 11:48.44 | Tupone | I don't think the problem is only the list. Even the status (I should say mostly the status) |
| 11:49.25 | Chestal | well, the list messup causes the ground not to be redrawn after changign resolutions (and mots probably alt-tabbing) |
| 11:49.35 | Chestal | the status should be restored automatically |
| 11:49.46 | Chestal | there are a lot of callbacks activated when a new context is created |
| 11:50.02 | Chestal | or to be more prceise, when reactivateAll is called for X, not ure when it is done on other platforms |
| 11:50.27 | Chestal | I am not sure how this is supposed to work with multiple windows (and thus contexts), though |
| 11:50.48 | your_dog | i have a question when y'all get a sec |
| 11:51.51 | Tupone | IMHO we should go this way: deactivate the current context, regenerate all the window, create new context coning from the previous, destroy the old context |
| 11:51.56 | Chestal | Tupone: the only semi-quck solution I see is to get rid of multipel windows, then keep soem global state about the current context and make all code that uses gllist things check if the context is still that which they were bound do, and otherwise do nothing |
| 11:52.31 | Chestal | Tupone: I do not know enough about gl to judge if that would work |
| 11:52.53 | Tupone | so you want to rebuild all the list? |
| 11:52.59 | Chestal | this is already done |
| 11:53.20 | Chestal | it calls OpenGLGState::initCOntext() which in turn calls all registered callbacks |
| 11:53.28 | Chestal | those callbacks regenerate all of the lists |
| 11:54.07 | Tupone | I don't see why we need. glx do y itself, other I think do the same, but not sure |
| 11:54.42 | Chestal | I am not sure what you mean, you say that glx can create a copy of the contetx, so the state + lists are not lost? |
| 11:54.51 | Tupone | yeah |
| 11:54.53 | Chestal | does this work on all other gl implementations, too? |
| 11:55.02 | Tupone | this is glX |
| 11:55.08 | Chestal | the problem is not glx related |
| 11:55.16 | Chestal | the problem is the bzflag classes |
| 11:55.22 | Chestal | those mess up windows and OSX, too |
| 11:55.30 | Tupone | I thing on Window we can find a similar proc |
| 11:56.07 | Chestal | but before we try anythign, I woudl really make sure that people know how it it suposed to work gl-wise |
| 11:56.13 | Chestal | so we can be sure that it is correct |
| 11:56.35 | Tupone | can I put some code for glX and hoope learner do the same on MAC ... and Pat/MrAC on windows? |
| 11:56.46 | Chestal | IMHO this feels wrong |
| 11:56.52 | Chestal | just another hack |
| 11:56.57 | Chestal | it's already very fragile |
| 11:57.14 | Tupone | its not an hack, is the documented way |
| 11:57.36 | Tupone | it is not gl, as gl does not know the context |
| 11:57.44 | Tupone | it is from the gl manager |
| 11:57.45 | Chestal | but it only makes sense if s similar way can be found on _all_ supported platforms |
| 11:58.09 | Chestal | and when we have that, we could get rid of all the init context callbacks and the regeneration of state/lists |
| 11:58.24 | Tupone | let me explore this way ... I refer after |
| 11:58.31 | Chestal | I'd rather have this discusses before we try any short circuit solution |
| 11:58.33 | Tupone | no change to code for now |
| 11:59.26 | Chestal | either the classes need to be contetx aware of we must make sure, that we only create one context and exactly one (which rules out multiple windows? |
| 12:00.17 | Chestal | but multipel windows worked at some time |
| 12:00.22 | Chestal | and I do not udnerstand how |
| 12:00.38 | Chestal | and when I do not fully understand how things work together, I am reluctant to make any changes to them |
| 12:01.05 | Tupone | we could have one context if the visual are all the same |
| 12:01.30 | Chestal | I think I still don't get the concept of the context |
| 12:01.50 | Chestal | how does GL decide which window the comamnds go to? |
| 12:01.57 | Chestal | isn't that done via the current context? |
| 12:02.10 | Tupone | yeah |
| 12:02.24 | Tupone | the current context has been prev ass to a window |
| 12:02.28 | Chestal | so, each window must have its own context? |
| 12:02.29 | Tupone | or a drawable |
| 12:03.02 | Tupone | if you have same visual and display, you could have one context, switching back & forth |
| 12:03.10 | Tupone | normalyy you have multiple contetx |
| 12:03.23 | Tupone | contexts |
| 12:03.47 | Tupone | and before gl-drawing, you make it current |
| 12:04.06 | Chestal | then all the classes which manage gl resources must know about context |
| 12:04.10 | Chestal | and they do not currently |
| 12:04.29 | Tupone | but I think all bzflag handle 1 window |
| 12:04.44 | Chestal | no, the code is there to support more windows |
| 12:04.51 | Tupone | only XWindow.cxx |
| 12:04.52 | Chestal | and I think that -view three shoul dopen up three of them |
| 12:05.23 | Tupone | that view is handled by GL, isn't so? |
| 12:05.33 | Tupone | with 3 color buffer |
| 12:06.40 | Tupone | where is this -view three ? |
| 12:06.43 | Chestal | hmm, not sure |
| 12:07.06 | Chestal | if bzflag is supposed to be 1 window only, then the code which handles mroe than 1 window shoudl be ripped out of the platform stuff |
| 12:07.24 | Tupone | yeah, I think so |
| 12:08.33 | Chestal | so, we must find out if it is necessary to deleze and create new contexts |
| 12:08.40 | Chestal | then we can decide what to do |
| 12:08.55 | Chestal | if we need not, than adjust the logic in the platform code and/or generic window class |
| 12:09.11 | Tupone | we should delete context and create new one |
| 12:09.15 | Chestal | if it is, those gl resource classes have to be changed so they know about it |
| 12:09.22 | Tupone | if visual characteristic change |
| 12:09.58 | Tupone | before destroying, we should copy status |
| 12:10.09 | Tupone | and list |
| 12:10.26 | Chestal | how? |
| 12:10.48 | Tupone | glX and other platform specific gl manager |
| 12:10.57 | Chestal | in case it's possible |
| 12:11.19 | Chestal | and the lists can stay the same regardless of the visual change |
| 12:11.24 | Chestal | there might be the need to change the lists |
| 12:12.02 | Tupone | lemme look at libSDL ... |
| 12:12.09 | Chestal | the current codeshould work if all those list resources woudl get deleted / invalidated before the contect is freed |
| 12:12.09 | Tupone | source code |
| 12:13.19 | Tupone | so you dont know why now it is all messed up? |
| 12:13.25 | Chestal | I do know |
| 12:13.31 | Chestal | I tried to epxlain in BUGS |
| 12:13.36 | Chestal | not sure f I made myself clear |
| 12:13.58 | Chestal | almost all of the gl list stuff is automatically handled by some bz classes |
| 12:14.07 | Chestal | they do the resource management |
| 12:14.12 | Chestal | but they do not know about the context |
| 12:14.42 | Chestal | so, when a list object is no longer needed, it discards the gl object via glDeleteList |
| 12:14.49 | Tupone | I read it |
| 12:15.04 | Chestal | problem is: when the context has changed, it will call glDeleteList with the integer that was used by the old context |
| 12:15.20 | Chestal | but now it deleted the possible new gl object that is boudn to that itneger now |
| 12:15.37 | Tupone | (with glX) we can share the list between multiple context if we have the same display and direct rendering |
| 12:15.40 | Chestal | when you comment out all the glDelete code, the main problem is gone |
| 12:17.45 | Chestal | only problem that remains is that temporary glitch which I do not understand |
| 12:18.18 | Chestal | when the context is gone, all the internal gl list objects go, too, I suppose? |
| 12:18.37 | Tupone | when you destroy a context, yes |
| 12:18.50 | Chestal | but bzflag still has the integers which refer to them |
| 12:18.53 | Chestal | this is the problem |
| 12:19.03 | Chestal | they mustn#t be used for anythign after that |
| 12:19.18 | Chestal | but the code which does, does not know that the context is gone |
| 12:19.20 | Tupone | if you clone, you can use it :) |
| 12:22.36 | Tupone | s/clone/share/ |
| 12:22.36 | Chestal | if we have only one context at a time (so, no multiple windows I guess), we could simply use a global counter that gets incremented for each new context |
| 12:22.36 | Chestal | than the code which amanges th egl resourced could compare if the counter has changed, and if so, do nothing |
| 12:22.36 | Tupone | In that case I think we have only 1 context |
| 12:22.36 | Chestal | it would probaby be nicer to erade all of the lists before the context is destroyed |
| 12:22.56 | Chestal | othe rpeople have more experience with gl on some platforms, especially windows |
| 12:23.03 | Chestal | I'd like to hear what they think about it |
| 12:23.19 | Chestal | if I udnerstodo Patlabor correctly, he suggested strongly, that we delete all lists before the context is destroyed |
| 12:23.52 | Tupone | I don't think we need that on glX |
| 12:24.26 | Chestal | gl itself doesn't say anything about this? |
| 12:24.40 | Tupone | application /GL is not aware of context |
| 12:24.53 | Chestal | which I think is a design error, but oh well |
| 12:25.00 | Chestal | guess it's too late to change the gl specs now :-) |
| 12:25.03 | Tupone | they did this for speed |
| 12:25.22 | Tupone | no need to cache context |
| 12:25.43 | Tupone | any proc has the reference to the current |
| 12:26.11 | Chestal | but it's a fragile concept which is bouidn to produce bugs in case you have to mess with contexts |
| 12:26.26 | Tupone | on X any proc should go and see display, window, color table ... |
| 12:29.31 | Chestal | maybe we should introduce some opengl/context singleton |
| 12:30.00 | your_dog | can you view the scores while using bzadmin? |
| 12:30.00 | Chestal | I don't think so |
| 12:30.00 | your_dog | ok, thnx |
| 12:34.26 | Tupone | hmm, SDL does not support glX list sharing |
| 12:35.37 | Chestal | I fear this needs a major change |
| 12:35.43 | Chestal | to get it right |
| 12:36.27 | Tupone | going for quick fix then, at list in some platform? |
| 12:36.38 | Tupone | and then rewrite at next release |
| 12:36.50 | Tupone | s/list/least/ |
| 12:37.02 | Chestal | not sure |
| 12:37.14 | Chestal | which other devs might be interested in this? |
| 12:37.28 | Tupone | learner and MrAC/Pat |
| 12:37.33 | Chestal | I feel that we shoudl wrap all of gl |
| 12:37.44 | Chestal | isn't there some tight OO gl wrapper? |
| 12:37.53 | Chestal | which does handle the resources the right way? |
| 12:38.27 | Tupone | could be SDL (not OO too) |
| 12:38.58 | Tupone | that is a gl-manager wrapper, not gl |
| 12:39.05 | Chestal | then I'd say hear what the others have to say about it |
| 12:39.23 | Tupone | so after lunch :) |
| 12:39.30 | Chestal | I'm off for some hours |
| 12:39.38 | Tupone | enjoy your meal |
| 12:39.48 | Chestal | meal is over |
| 12:39.58 | Tupone | I have to have |
| 12:40.06 | Chestal | hmm, SolarisMedia |
| 12:40.16 | Chestal | does bzflag currently work on Solaris? |
| 12:40.16 | Tupone | bye for now |
| 12:40.20 | Chestal | bye |
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| 13:28.44 | strayer | hiho.. |
| 13:28.58 | your_dog | howdy |
| 13:30.29 | strayer | your_dog: hm...I have no dog... ;) |
| 13:30.47 | your_dog | hehe |
| 13:31.01 | your_dog | you play bzflag much? |
| 13:31.35 | strayer | hm...after a fashion |
| 13:31.54 | your_dog | huh? |
| 13:32.32 | strayer | I mean...there R days when I play a few hours and others when I play only a few minutes |
| 13:32.43 | your_dog | ah, ok, same here |
| 13:33.00 | your_dog | i have just joined a team though, probably be playing more now |
| 13:33.18 | strayer | do U play with the nick 'your_dog'? |
| 13:33.28 | your_dog | yeah, what about u? |
| 13:33.50 | strayer | hm...sometimes.. :) |
| 13:33.57 | your_dog | :P |
| 13:34.15 | strayer | what's Ur team? |
| 13:36.07 | strayer | BIP or Beserk orange rock golems? |
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| 13:37.43 | jake_ | sorry, got disconnected |
| 13:37.53 | jake_ | brb |
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| 13:38.12 | your_dog | The Elites [EEZ] |
| 13:38.12 | your_dog | what's ur callsign? |
| 13:38.12 | your_dog | |tim| and i started it yesterday |
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| 13:38.22 | your_dog | back |
| 13:38.33 | sussudio | ~fix your_dog |
| 13:38.36 | | ACTION takes your_dog to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 13:38.48 | your_dog | :P |
| 13:39.00 | strayer | your_dog: my real callsign is strayer...but I use different nicks when I play... |
| 13:39.08 | your_dog | ah, i c |
| 13:39.19 | strayer | tim left HoW?...aha... |
| 13:39.38 | your_dog | i guess, didn't know he was ever with them |
| 13:39.59 | your_dog | are you a member of a CTF league team? |
| 13:40.15 | strayer | we were teammates 4 a while... |
| 13:40.25 | strayer | actually I'm not a member of a team |
| 13:40.38 | your_dog | who? you and tim? |
| 13:41.02 | strayer | yepp |
| 13:41.07 | your_dog | ah |
| 13:41.22 | your_dog | i think i'll go play on ducati for a few minutes, b4 my breakfast is ready |
| 13:41.35 | your_dog | i'll talk to y'all l8r |
| 13:42.05 | strayer | good hunting |
| 13:42.25 | strayer | sussudio: U complained that Oman was querying Ur BZFlag-server very frequently...? |
| 13:43.01 | sussudio | please don't use aolisms like u and ur |
| 13:43.16 | strayer | hm..ok, I will try it... |
| 13:43.26 | sussudio | yes, server24.greatnet.de does. |
| 13:43.36 | strayer | what is your server? |
| 13:43.47 | sussudio | doesn't matter. it does it to all servers. |
| 13:44.07 | sussudio | i know noodleboy does it because of stats.bzflag.org |
| 13:44.45 | sussudio | i've blocked him also btw. |
| 13:45.03 | sussudio | * Dns resolved 62.146.217.250 to server24.greatnet.de |
| 13:45.18 | sussudio | that IP does requests on my server when it's online. |
| 13:45.47 | sussudio | ~seen oman |
| 13:45.50 | | oman <~18f78b5b@server24.greatnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 9h 17m 45s ago, saying: 'bye all'. |
| 13:45.51 | strayer | aha..ok > what do you think is the maximun query frequency? > I want to do that too because actually my scripts query when a user wants to and it takes a while... |
| 13:45.53 | sussudio | see? |
| 13:46.20 | strayer | nah...right...same server |
| 13:46.43 | sussudio | i think that IP tried to query me every minute or so. |
| 13:47.24 | strayer | hm...1 minute was exactly the time I wanted to do the query too...hm |
| 13:49.24 | sussudio | this new map i made is giving me vertigo :-P |
| 13:49.45 | sussudio | ah balls. the alt-tab screen buggery still isn't fixed |
| 13:50.01 | strayer | is it really that high? :) |
| 13:50.16 | strayer | hm...I have no problem with 'alt+tab' |
| 13:50.19 | sussudio | that too. |
| 13:50.26 | sussudio | ~bzflist |
| 13:51.31 | strayer | a suggestion...if there would be a server that queries the bz-servers in a short period (maybe the stats-server from Noodleman) and stores the data in a database...all the script-users could query the database then...is this an idea? |
| 13:53.42 | strayer | but this means that the servers must be queried in a real short period to have nearly actual data and the server needs a lot of fixed-disk storage... |
| 13:54.42 | strayer | sussudio ? |
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| 14:08.30 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 14:08.35 | sussudio | ~bzflist |
| 14:12.44 | sussudio | if i put in boxes with a negative Z, it'll take the ground with it, tanks look like they're hovering on Z 0 |
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| 14:15.43 | your_dog | does anyone want to join me on ducati:59156? |
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| 16:49.19 | your_dog | hi david |
| 16:49.53 | your_dog | brb |
| 16:56.18 | sussudio | ~bzflist |
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| 16:58.24 | Oman | Anyone seen Pat |
| 16:58.34 | Oman | Patlabor221 |
| 16:59.07 | Oman | where can i download a version of IRC chat |
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| 17:00.44 | david_v | Oman: www.xchat.org , www.mirc.com for instance |
| 17:00.45 | david_v | hi KR |
| 17:00.52 | Oman | thanks david |
| 17:00.57 | david_v | np |
| 17:01.13 | KR | hi David! |
| 17:02.16 | david_v | the people at my ISP seems to have found a new well-paid hobby of disconnecting me now and then, and causing other funny problems |
| 17:19.41 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): clean up opengl defines -- use the bzflag bzfgl.h header |
| 17:20.44 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/bzfgl.h: added defines to match glBegin/End pairs to make sure that they match when in debug mode, cleaned up the comments, and fixed the header ifdef hiding magic. |
| 17:21.45 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/bzfgl.h: missed one include for os x |
| 17:27.28 | Oman | Whats this sever called. |
| 17:27.48 | orchid | irc.freenode.net |
| 17:28.03 | Oman | thanks |
| 17:29.55 | Oman | I am trying to set up X-Chat what do i need to enter to get here? |
| 17:31.16 | david_v | go to the X-Chat menu and select Server List. then setup a network (Add button on the left), select that one, and add a server to it on the right |
| 17:31.23 | orchid | irc.freenode.net for the server and #bzflag for the channel |
| 17:31.31 | david_v | then just put in irc.freenode.net/6667 |
| 17:31.43 | orchid | david_v: freenode is already in his serverlist |
| 17:31.53 | david_v | er doh yes i forgot ;) |
| 17:32.54 | orchid | Oman: Xchat>serverlist>freenode(hightlight it)>connect |
| 17:33.29 | *** part/#bzflag Oman (~18f78b5b@server24.greatnet.de) |
| 17:35.55 | *** join/#bzflag Oman1 (~Oman@24.247.139.91.tvc.mi.chartermi.net) |
| 17:36.24 | Oman1 | why can't i connect with My nickname Of Oman |
| 17:37.04 | Oman1 | sever says already in use |
| 17:37.21 | david_v | try a /ns ghost Oman <password> |
| 17:37.52 | Oman1 | I don't get what you mean? |
| 17:38.09 | orchid | Oman1: you can register nicks on irc, just like in bz |
| 17:38.11 | david_v | the server thinks that Oman is still here |
| 17:38.26 | david_v | so either register the Oman nick as orchid says, or just wait until it goes away |
| 17:38.47 | david_v | try /ns help , that will give you some info |
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| 17:41.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 17:41.53 | Oman1 | Why won't it work |
| 17:41.55 | Oman1 | ?? |
| 17:42.00 | Oman1 | it won't let me register it |
| 17:42.23 | Oman1 | i type in /ns REGISTER Oman Secretpass |
| 17:44.27 | david_v | don't try that password again though |
| 17:45.03 | Patlabor221 | for IRC? |
| 17:45.07 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.10 | david_v | ah... you must change to the nick Oman first, unfortunately |
| 17:45.13 | david_v | then /ns register <password> |
| 17:45.15 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:45.26 | david_v | Patlabor221: /msg nickserv :) |
| 17:45.26 | david_v | it's too much to type ;) |
| 17:45.29 | david_v | same with /ms, /cs etc |
| 17:45.33 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 17:45.45 | Patlabor221 | you don't need your name in there |
| 17:45.51 | Patlabor221 | just register <password> |
| 17:46.04 | Patlabor221 | it registers your current name |
| 17:46.30 | david_v | right. but he can't ghost Oman heh |
| 17:46.35 | david_v | maybe it's away now |
| 17:46.42 | david_v | nope... duh |
| 17:46.55 | david_v | Oman1: double check that you don't have an IRC client running with your Oman nick |
| 17:47.39 | Patlabor221 | if he does it's not in this channel |
| 17:48.01 | Patlabor221 | it's that damn IRC CGI |
| 17:48.03 | david_v | well no, it is here though... just did a second /whois |
| 17:48.04 | Patlabor221 | you just have to wait |
| 17:48.11 | david_v | and waiiiittt |
| 17:48.14 | Patlabor221 | it's on the server |
| 17:48.18 | Patlabor221 | not in this channel |
| 17:48.21 | david_v | i know |
| 17:48.22 | Patlabor221 | did he have somone kick it? |
| 17:48.23 | david_v | that's what i'm saying |
| 17:48.28 | david_v | i think he just left |
| 17:48.51 | Patlabor221 | the CGI IRC clients are lame |
| 17:48.53 | david_v | <-- Oman (~18f78b5b@server24.greatnet.de) has left #bzflag |
| 17:48.54 | david_v | yep |
| 17:49.27 | david_v | Oman1: Oman is gone now, change your nick and register :) |
| 17:50.22 | *** join/#bzflag Oman (~Oman@24.247.139.91.tvc.mi.chartermi.net) |
| 17:50.31 | Patlabor221 | oman, to change your nick you don't need to restart |
| 17:50.39 | Patlabor221 | just do a /nick <yournewnick> |
| 17:50.40 | Oman | I diddn't know |
| 17:50.46 | Patlabor221 | that's why I'm telling you :) |
| 17:50.49 | david_v | :) |
| 17:51.03 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~krrt@cae31-210-009.sc.rr.com) |
| 17:51.08 | KR | re |
| 17:51.10 | david_v | re |
| 17:51.29 | KR | bzflag just froze my machine :( |
| 17:51.34 | KR | had to reboot |
| 17:52.05 | david_v | oops |
| 17:52.09 | david_v | run Linux ;) |
| 17:52.24 | Patlabor221 | what OS are you running? |
| 17:52.25 | *** join/#bzflag sussi (~rak64@217-68-182-123.cable.primacom.net) |
| 17:52.29 | sussi | hi |
| 17:52.35 | Patlabor221 | and I've had bzflag take out X before |
| 17:52.45 | Patlabor221 | hell I've had the compiler take out the machine |
| 17:53.06 | david_v | Patlabor221: that happened to me. i usually run it on another X client heh ;) |
| 17:53.20 | david_v | the compiler? hmmm very interesting, that |
| 17:53.32 | Patlabor221 | and on a proper windows OS you can kill it and restart the explorers shell |
| 17:53.36 | Patlabor221 | just like linux |
| 17:53.54 | david_v | yes i know that |
| 17:54.08 | Patlabor221 | just not on those 9x crap ones |
| 17:54.10 | sussi | has anybody experience with the ati fglrx and kernel 2.6? |
| 17:54.27 | KR | pat - its a Debian distro |
| 17:54.39 | david_v | err... |
| 17:54.48 | sussudio | sussi: #yourdistro |
| 17:54.54 | Oman | You gave me that type of new tank i am wondering how i would get that into the sorce to make it work in the game? |
| 17:54.58 | david_v | KR: did it lock up the virtual consoles as well? |
| 17:55.30 | KR | most times it is fine, no probs - occasionally it tales a bit to start from the console, and then - I think tis was the third time since 1.10 came out - nothing happens, box goes comatose |
| 17:55.31 | sussi | #yourdistro |
| 17:55.33 | Patlabor221 | oman, well you would go to the tank scene node and replace all the hardcoded drawing calls with calls to some modle reader/drawindg class |
| 17:55.39 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 17:56.01 | Oman | ok thanks |
| 17:56.03 | Patlabor221 | that is the part where you will have to make a model reader, or use the one thats in the GM model patch |
| 17:56.06 | KR | david - this time, yes |
| 17:56.11 | david_v | KR: man... |
| 17:56.13 | Patlabor221 | and you will have to rewrite the explostion code |
| 17:56.18 | KR | could even shut down X, had to kill whole box |
| 17:56.40 | Oman | I want my chages to be packages |
| 17:56.51 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean "packages" ? |
| 17:56.54 | Oman | Not a realease |
| 17:56.55 | Patlabor221 | patches? |
| 17:57.01 | Oman | Patches i meant |
| 17:57.10 | david_v | KR: one thing i don't like with X is that it sometimes blocks Ctrl-Alt-F1 etc... so if X hangs up, you can't fix it... even if the machine itself isn't really hung up |
| 17:57.14 | Patlabor221 | well then you just do a diff between the base code and your changes |
| 17:57.17 | Patlabor221 | and that makes a patch |
| 17:57.19 | david_v | KR: maybe sshd and another computer could help in those cases :) |
| 17:57.21 | Patlabor221 | but your looking at a big changes |
| 17:57.34 | Oman | ok |
| 17:57.34 | Patlabor221 | making big patches is dificult |
| 17:57.47 | Patlabor221 | as it makes it hard to apply multiple patches |
| 17:57.52 | Oman | so it would have to be a release to be easyer |
| 17:57.54 | Patlabor221 | bzflag is not very modular |
| 17:58.09 | Patlabor221 | a full release would be the best way to make sure end users have a single thing that work |
| 17:58.13 | KR | david - needed to put panels back on sides of box anyway - gave me the excuse ;) |
| 17:58.17 | Oman | ok |
| 17:58.21 | Oman | Thanks |
| 17:58.26 | Patlabor221 | patches require that your end users have compilers and stuff |
| 17:58.30 | david_v | KR: heh :) |
| 17:58.31 | Oman | but Tim would have to apporve right |
| 17:58.36 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 17:58.45 | Patlabor221 | tim only has to approve patches that go into the mainline |
| 17:58.52 | Oman | Ok |
| 17:59.03 | Patlabor221 | branches and patches that are indepenednt he has no say over |
| 17:59.10 | Oman | ok |
| 17:59.15 | Patlabor221 | tho he can ask you to do certan things, but it's up to you to do them |
| 17:59.29 | Patlabor221 | the bigest one would be, that if you change gameplay, to make it have a difrent internal version |
| 17:59.35 | Oman | I thought the lisence agreement was under his name though |
| 17:59.44 | Patlabor221 | he is the copyright holder |
| 17:59.49 | Oman | oh |
| 17:59.49 | Oman | ok |
| 17:59.52 | Patlabor221 | he is the one giving you liscense to use the code |
| 18:00.04 | Oman | ok |
| 18:00.04 | Patlabor221 | but he does not hold copyright over your changes |
| 18:00.09 | Oman | Ok |
| 18:00.11 | Oman | i get it now |
| 18:00.31 | Patlabor221 | he does have say for what goes back into the main code, the stuff he does have copyright over |
| 18:00.47 | Oman | Ok |
| 18:00.50 | Patlabor221 | how much programing experince do you have? |
| 18:01.00 | Oman | Not very much |
| 18:01.14 | Patlabor221 | you know C or C++? |
| 18:01.22 | Oman | C++ |
| 18:01.30 | Patlabor221 | and have you ever used the OpenGL API? |
| 18:01.46 | Oman | I not shure i don't remember if i did |
| 18:02.09 | Patlabor221 | kinda a big thing to forget |
| 18:02.16 | Oman | lol |
| 18:02.32 | Patlabor221 | well if your gonna be replacing the tank renderig system you will be using a lot of it |
| 18:02.40 | Oman | ok |
| 18:03.48 | Oman | How do you incorporate a diff file in C++? |
| 18:04.09 | Patlabor221 | it's not a function of C++ |
| 18:04.18 | Patlabor221 | you use the program "patch.exe" |
| 18:04.29 | Patlabor221 | it's part of the unixutils |
| 18:05.21 | Oman | Okay |
| 18:07.15 | learner | I'm guessing/hoping that the lighting bug will fix the crashing X problem on linux too |
| 18:08.05 | Chestal | learner: have you read (and udnerstood :-) my description of the core gl problem in bz? |
| 18:10.52 | Chestal | what lighting bug fix btw.? |
| 18:11.34 | Oman | For some reason in the missile patch i can't find the Patc.exe in it |
| 18:11.47 | Oman | patch.exe sorry |
| 18:12.23 | david_v | it doesn't come with the patches themselves. you could get it for your system instead |
| 18:12.59 | Oman | How do i type a private message? |
| 18:14.05 | Oman | It should come in the patches it saves people frome the hastle |
| 18:14.30 | Chestal | uh no, that would be like packaging a C++ compiler with the sources :-) |
| 18:14.30 | david_v | /query <nickname> or /msg <nickname> message |
| 18:14.39 | david_v | hehe yea |
| 18:15.22 | Oman | oh sorry |
| 18:15.26 | Oman | lol |
| 18:16.07 | Oman | i got the patch.exe but how do i use it? |
| 18:18.50 | Patlabor221 | read the help on it |
| 18:18.55 | Patlabor221 | patch --help |
| 18:19.15 | Oman | ok |
| 18:19.18 | Oman | thanks |
| 18:22.04 | Oman | Patlabor221 that didn't work do i have to type in (patch --help) or (--help |
| 18:22.15 | Patlabor221 | patch --help |
| 18:22.16 | Oman | (--help) |
| 18:22.19 | Oman | ok |
| 18:22.27 | Patlabor221 | there are no ( )s in it |
| 18:22.35 | Patlabor221 | just patch --help in the command line |
| 18:23.01 | Oman | I know |
| 18:23.10 | Oman | I was just showing you what i meant |
| 18:23.33 | Oman | that didn't work with just patch --help |
| 18:23.43 | Patlabor221 | what did it say? |
| 18:23.50 | Patlabor221 | what error did it give? |
| 18:24.10 | Oman | it said nothing |
| 18:24.16 | Oman | just what i typed |
| 18:24.20 | Oman | already |
| 18:24.23 | Patlabor221 | where are you typing this? |
| 18:24.50 | Oman | in the patch.exe |
| 18:25.17 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean "in" |
| 18:25.19 | Patlabor221 | it's a command line app |
| 18:25.25 | Patlabor221 | you run it from the command line |
| 18:25.29 | Patlabor221 | you don't double click it |
| 18:25.33 | Oman | ok |
| 18:25.34 | Oman | thanks |
| 18:26.10 | Oman | that didn't work |
| 18:26.23 | Oman | should i redownload |
| 18:26.26 | Patlabor221 | what error did it give you |
| 18:26.30 | Oman | never mind i got it |
| 18:26.31 | Patlabor221 | no, just tell me what happend |
| 18:27.22 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 18:27.44 | Oman | when i typed it in nothing happened and then when my dad did it in this other thing that he was doing and it work |
| 18:28.17 | Patlabor221 | what other thing? |
| 18:28.23 | Patlabor221 | do you know how to use a command line app? |
| 18:28.37 | Oman | yes |
| 18:28.39 | Oman | i do |
| 18:28.53 | Oman | We didn't before sorry |
| 18:29.05 | Oman | just clicked on the file befor |
| 18:29.31 | Patlabor221 | all the unix utils are command line tools |
| 18:29.38 | Oman | i know now |
| 18:29.57 | Oman | I only 10 years old remember Patlabor221 |
| 18:30.08 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-97-66.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 18:30.20 | Patlabor221 | actualy you have never told us that |
| 18:30.27 | Patlabor221 | so we don't know |
| 18:31.08 | Patlabor221 | you know if you didn't want to go into the code to fix a patch cus it would be hard, then hooking up model drawing is going to be a lot harder |
| 18:31.50 | Patlabor221 | you may want to take it in smaller steps at first to get used to the code |
| 18:31.57 | Oman | i know my dad is helping |
| 18:32.01 | Oman | A lot |
| 18:32.13 | Patlabor221 | do we know your dad here? |
| 18:32.14 | Oman | I do things my dad dosen't know how todo |
| 18:32.17 | Patlabor221 | is he a normal player |
| 18:32.19 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 18:32.32 | Oman | yes |
| 18:32.39 | Oman | you wouldn't know him |
| 18:32.47 | Patlabor221 | I know lots of people :) |
| 18:32.48 | Oman | Manistee Firefighter |
| 18:32.55 | Patlabor221 | cept that one :) |
| 18:32.55 | Oman | Thats him |
| 18:32.59 | Oman | lol |
| 18:33.18 | Oman | now you know him |
| 18:33.19 | Oman | lol |
| 18:34.16 | Patlabor221 | ok just know that's it is not going to be a "step by step" thing, your going to have to design and implement some major software componenets yourself. |
| 18:35.49 | Patlabor221 | it's not that bad, as I had it allmost done at one point, but it was geting really ugly |
| 18:35.49 | Oman | I know |
| 18:36.00 | Oman | lol |
| 18:38.19 | Oman | Patlabor221 my dads almost got the Tanks in already |
| 18:38.31 | Patlabor221 | ahh, what is he using to render them with? |
| 18:38.40 | Oman | I dunno i don't really care |
| 18:38.47 | Patlabor221 | well we do |
| 18:39.02 | Patlabor221 | it is a feature that BZ does not have and would be nice if it did have |
| 18:39.03 | Oman | When i ask him i will tell you |
| 18:39.30 | Oman | lol |
| 18:40.38 | Oman | My dads computer just crashed and he didn't save |
| 18:40.47 | Patlabor221 | sux |
| 18:40.52 | Oman | I know |
| 18:40.54 | Oman | dame it |
| 18:40.55 | Patlabor221 | sounds like your dad is a good programer |
| 18:41.01 | Oman | yuppers |
| 18:41.36 | Oman | But he still needs your help |
| 18:41.37 | Oman | lol |
| 18:41.45 | Patlabor221 | well have him get in here too |
| 18:41.53 | Patlabor221 | more devs are allways better |
| 18:41.58 | Quol | hello all |
| 18:42.04 | Patlabor221 | qup qoll |
| 18:42.08 | Noodleman | hey Quol |
| 18:42.22 | Oman | But i only have this on one computer and my dad dosen't like chating so thats why i chat |
| 18:42.40 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 18:42.59 | Patlabor221 | he's workin on the same machien your chating on? |
| 18:43.19 | Oman | No different computers |
| 18:43.21 | Patlabor221 | and I would think that asking stuff directly would be a lot faste then going thru a 3rd party |
| 18:43.39 | Oman | we in different rooms in the house |
| 18:43.46 | Patlabor221 | even more reason |
| 18:44.10 | Oman | He just comes and looks at stuff on this computer when it is typed and stuff he needs to use |
| 18:44.26 | Patlabor221 | dosn't sound very eficent |
| 18:44.29 | Oman | we have a motem |
| 18:44.31 | Oman | lol |
| 18:44.34 | Oman | modem |
| 18:44.44 | Patlabor221 | you should get rid of that |
| 18:44.55 | Oman | a cable modem |
| 18:45.00 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 18:45.03 | Patlabor221 | that's difrent |
| 18:45.07 | Oman | i know |
| 18:45.08 | Oman | lol |
| 18:45.09 | Patlabor221 | so split that sucker up |
| 18:45.16 | Oman | it is |
| 18:45.32 | Oman | He at the main computer and i am on my computer |
| 18:45.39 | Patlabor221 | so if he was on, he could read the stuff directly and not have to get up :) |
| 18:45.51 | Oman | yes |
| 18:46.04 | Oman | But he dosen't like to stop working and read |
| 18:46.12 | Oman | it messes him up |
| 18:46.17 | Noodleman | *cough* internet connection sharing *cough* *hack* |
| 18:46.18 | Patlabor221 | he is doing that when he comes over to see you :) |
| 18:46.30 | Oman | thinking |
| 18:46.38 | Oman | he can't read and think at same time |
| 18:46.57 | Oman | SO i useually tell him |
| 18:47.07 | Oman | i go over there most of the time |
| 18:47.25 | Oman | He will come over when he goes to the bathroom or something |
| 18:47.28 | Noodleman | i know that when i'm working, i'd rather read something where i am than to get up or have someone tell me |
| 18:47.30 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 18:47.39 | Oman | lol |
| 18:47.47 | Oman | My dad is different ok |
| 18:47.56 | Patlabor221 | most people are |
| 18:48.00 | Oman | LOL |
| 18:48.16 | Oman | he likes how he is doing it it is easyer for him |
| 18:48.31 | Oman | he tells me to ask quistons sometimes |
| 18:48.41 | Noodleman | you really need to find a more efficient intradomicile communication system |
| 18:49.01 | Patlabor221 | well most famialys go with the shouting system |
| 18:49.03 | Patlabor221 | it's traditional |
| 18:49.06 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 18:49.15 | Noodleman | my family uses IM |
| 18:49.19 | Noodleman | seriously :-) |
| 18:49.29 | Noodleman | or sneakernet |
| 18:49.33 | Patlabor221 | I don't live with my famialy so I have no need of a system |
| 18:49.53 | Oman | What is the command to apply the patch useing the diff file? |
| 18:50.01 | Patlabor221 | patch |
| 18:50.10 | Oman | tryed |
| 18:50.12 | Patlabor221 | then use the options it shows in the help |
| 18:50.34 | Tupone | patch -p0 < diffFile ? |
| 18:50.34 | Patlabor221 | you give it the diff, the dir to start in and options based on where that dir is |
| 18:50.52 | Oman | tyied patch oldfile diff came back oldfile not a file |
| 18:51.00 | Patlabor221 | is oldfile a file? |
| 18:51.21 | Oman | Diff file changes many files |
| 18:51.27 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:51.32 | Patlabor221 | you usualy give it a dir where to start |
| 18:51.43 | Patlabor221 | or start it from the dir you want to start in |
| 18:51.57 | Oman | gave it a dir of bzflag |
| 18:52.12 | Patlabor221 | and what error did it give you? |
| 18:52.21 | Oman | bzflag not a file |
| 18:52.45 | Patlabor221 | then yo have the dir and the diff backwards |
| 18:54.07 | Oman | working on switching |
| 18:55.42 | Oman | it says can't open patch file bzflag now |
| 18:55.48 | Oman | So my dad had it right before |
| 18:55.58 | Oman | but it still didn't work |
| 18:56.46 | Patlabor221 | I don't remember the specifics, but the help output should give the order of the paramaters |
| 18:58.02 | Tupone | on linux the command is: patch < patchFile |
| 18:58.15 | Tupone | with option -p0 if needed |
| 18:58.23 | Oman | I on windoes |
| 18:58.23 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if we have a pipe Tupone |
| 18:58.32 | Patlabor221 | well best of luck |
| 18:58.39 | Tupone | patch -I patchFile |
| 18:58.42 | Patlabor221 | I have to go put in a DVD player at my grandfatehrs |
| 18:58.50 | Patlabor221 | noodleman, you have the con. |
| 18:58.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Noodleman] by Patlabor221 |
| 18:59.17 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:59.19 | david_v | cya Pat... |
| 18:59.27 | Noodleman | l8r |
| 18:59.35 | david_v | ok Noodle, let's party ;) |
| 18:59.48 | Patlabor221 | untill learner gets back |
| 18:59.59 | Oman | Hey this is dad, command - patch -p0 D:\adownloads\bzflag\bzflag17g2\bzflag\*.* D:\adownloads\bzflag\missiles_diff\GeoM.diff |
| 19:00.01 | Noodleman | spiked with supertonic |
| 19:00.04 | david_v | heh |
| 19:00.23 | Oman | Now just a flashing cursor |
| 19:00.33 | Noodleman | wait for it |
| 19:00.37 | Noodleman | it might be patching |
| 19:00.39 | Oman | k |
| 19:01.16 | Oman | probably should have used -v to get to see what is going on |
| 19:01.23 | Oman | no duh please |
| 19:01.35 | Oman | lol |
| 19:01.37 | Noodleman | don't stop it now |
| 19:01.43 | Oman | k |
| 19:01.52 | Noodleman | otherwise you have half-patched files |
| 19:02.10 | Oman | k |
| 19:02.23 | Oman | how long might it take |
| 19:02.28 | Oman | ?? |
| 19:02.40 | Noodleman | depends |
| 19:02.44 | Oman | k |
| 19:02.46 | Noodleman | i can't tell you exactly |
| 19:04.55 | Oman | what does render mean with changing tank size |
| 19:05.08 | Oman | ? |
| 19:05.47 | Oman | want to add Patlabor221's tank M3 |
| 19:06.18 | Noodleman | you'll have to be more explicit with your question |
| 19:06.55 | Oman | For bzflag i want to add patloabor221's Mk3 tank and how to render |
| 19:07.10 | Noodleman | i still don't understand |
| 19:07.17 | Noodleman | please use complete sentences |
| 19:08.01 | Oman | For bzflag, I want to add Patlabor221's Mk3 tank. How do I do it |
| 19:08.10 | Noodleman | i don't know |
| 19:08.14 | Noodleman | you'll have to ask him |
| 19:08.37 | Oman | k |
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| 19:11.27 | Oman | anybody want to go on bzflag |
| 19:11.29 | Oman | ???????? |
| 19:11.56 | Oman | CTF sever if anything |
| 19:13.13 | Oman | Anybody want my e-mail if they need to e-mail me anything |
| 19:19.21 | Oman | If anybody wants my e-mail here it is |
| 19:19.32 | Oman | happydude123@msn.com |
| 19:19.36 | Oman | no spaw please |
| 19:19.39 | Oman | spam |
| 19:22.05 | Oman | Patch Not working\ |
| 19:22.35 | KR | noodle : lol @ "more efficient intradomicile communication system" :) |
| 19:23.28 | Oman | error:Hmm.. Looks like a unified diff to me... |
| 19:27.10 | Oman | Can someone try to find a wed site where i can downoload a missile.diff file |
| 19:27.24 | Noodleman | KR: :-) |
| 19:30.21 | Oman | Noodleman can you help me |
| 19:30.22 | Oman | ? |
| 19:30.29 | Oman | web |
| 19:30.35 | Noodleman | what do you need help with? |
| 19:31.06 | Oman | I need to find a web site where i can download a missile.diff file' |
| 19:31.24 | Noodleman | what brings you to that conclusion? |
| 19:31.41 | Oman | Cause i need to use it |
| 19:31.57 | bryjen | its probly on the sourceforge site somewheres |
| 19:32.05 | Oman | to make the 3d guided missile work |
| 19:32.18 | Noodleman | what about the diff you already have? |
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| 19:34.00 | Noodleman | Oman: you aren't helping me to help you |
| 19:35.59 | bryjen | http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/patches/missile_diff.zip |
| 19:36.18 | Oman | sorry i was looking |
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| 19:46.00 | your_dog | cy'all l8r :) |
| 19:49.37 | Oman | For some reason I can't get the guided missile patch to work so far but i have another idea i am working on |
| 19:51.06 | Oman | Ok my idea didn't work |
| 20:10.24 | Oman | hey |
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| 20:24.07 | Oman | Will the Guided Missile Patch work for windows\ |
| 20:24.24 | Oman | Cause it won't work on Windows for me |
| 20:24.42 | Pimpinella | what does that patch? |
| 20:25.34 | Oman | zyes |
| 20:25.37 | Oman | yes |
| 20:25.57 | Pimpinella | huh? |
| 20:26.40 | Oman | Will the Guided Missile Patch work for Windows? |
| 20:27.06 | Pimpinella | sorry, no windows available here |
| 20:27.59 | Oman | Will the Guided Missile Patch work for Windoes |
| 20:28.11 | Oman | not the type you look through |
| 20:28.41 | learner | you can always just patch the code manually by using an editor |
| 20:28.52 | Oman | i did but i won't work |
| 20:28.55 | Oman | LJ:DFPDj'ds |
| 20:28.56 | Oman | ffd;saf |
| 20:28.59 | Oman | lol |
| 20:29.08 | learner | the patch should work on windows too afaik |
| 20:29.39 | Oman | It won't work for me for some reason |
| 20:29.45 | Oman | and i am fustrated now |
| 20:29.50 | learner | what won't work? |
| 20:29.55 | learner | it won't compile? |
| 20:29.56 | Oman | THE PATCH |
| 20:30.06 | learner | it won't patch or it won't compile? |
| 20:30.14 | Oman | it won't patch |
| 20:30.26 | learner | then patch the source code manually |
| 20:30.33 | learner | open the diff in a text editor |
| 20:30.39 | Oman | I did but it won't work |
| 20:30.58 | Oman | I did it 30 times |
| 20:31.03 | Oman | and won't work |
| 20:31.08 | Pimpinella | got an errorcode or th? |
| 20:31.09 | learner | I'm saying don't use the patch.exe |
| 20:31.19 | Oman | ok |
| 20:31.25 | learner | open the _text_ diff file in a text editor |
| 20:31.31 | Oman | than how do i use the patch with out the patch.exe |
| 20:31.32 | learner | like wordpad |
| 20:31.41 | Oman | i did that |
| 20:31.57 | Oman | But it won't run it just looks at the patch |
| 20:32.14 | learner | so you then have to manually copy/replace the lines in the source code with the corresponding lines from the diff |
| 20:32.59 | learner | what you are saying is not the manual process -- i'm saying do it the old-fashioned way |
| 20:33.47 | learner | where's the diff file you are trying to use? |
| 20:33.47 | Pimpinella | what is that patch, isnt it in cvs? |
| 20:33.53 | learner | he's trying to patch 1.7 |
| 20:33.56 | Chestal | maybe the patch in question doesn't work with current versions anyway - just speculating |
| 20:34.09 | learner | Tim veto'd the patch |
| 20:34.17 | learner | as it presently exists |
| 20:34.31 | Chestal | learner: did you see my question earlier? |
| 20:34.33 | Oman | looks like the patch lists the files in a different location than they are on my hard drive |
| 20:34.35 | learner | have to run -- best of luck |
| 20:34.42 | Chestal | learner: oh well, cu :-) |
| 20:34.43 | learner | Chestal: i did not |
| 20:34.52 | Chestal | learner: takes to much time now, tomorow |
| 20:34.56 | learner | okay |
| 20:35.15 | learner | your tomorrow is my tonight, sounds good :) |
| 20:35.18 | Pimpinella | Oman: why not change to 1.10? |
| 20:35.53 | Oman | I want the 3d look of the guided missles in the missles-diff |
| 20:36.36 | Oman | I don't think I can change 1.10 as they switched the type of files used to create the items |
| 20:36.42 | Oman | no more rgb |
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| 20:37.51 | Oman | I have the Missles_diff.zip file, tried to use patch many times. |
| 20:38.14 | Oman | Error shows my path to the bzflag folder as "not a file" |
| 20:39.16 | Oman | Should I just look at the GeoM.diff file, open 1.7g2 source with c++ and copy in changes? |
| 20:39.48 | Michaelhhhh | try -p0 or -p1 or -p2 |
| 20:40.01 | Michaelhhhh | patch -p1 -i thisisthepatch.diff |
| 20:40.06 | Michaelhhhh | or -p2 |
| 20:40.10 | Oman | I tried just copying the files from the folders in the zip file to the files in the source code and remaking the bzflag.exe with no result |
| 20:40.31 | Oman | Tried patch -p0 thepatch.diff no result |
| 20:40.46 | Oman | copied all the patch files to the source code first |
| 20:41.06 | Oman | will try 1 and 2 |
| 20:41.24 | Oman | Is it right to have all of the files together prior to patching |
| 20:41.42 | Oman | Or do I need to keep them in seperate folders |
| 20:42.56 | Michaelhhhh | someone else will have to answer that question .., |
| 20:43.07 | Oman | Ok |
| 20:43.28 | Oman | I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:44.41 | Oman | tried patch -p2 path\to\the\patchfile.diff --verbose and the command just stops with a flashsing cursor |
| 20:45.01 | Oman | I give up |
| 20:46.10 | Michaelhhhh | it's actually -i path |
| 20:46.16 | Oman | Can anyone help here or not |
| 20:46.18 | Oman | ok |
| 20:47.03 | Oman | thanks Michaelhhhh |
| 20:52.16 | Oman | -i went crazy |
| 20:52.22 | Oman | THANKS |
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| 20:55.35 | Michaelhhhh | it worked? |
| 20:56.10 | Michaelhhhh | or at least it partially worked... |
| 20:56.50 | Oman | Partiallllly |
| 20:57.06 | Oman | we know how to do it now |
| 20:58.35 | Michaelhhhh | you can also download the source from any given day of the year if you wanted to try to find source where it did actually all apply |
| 20:58.40 | Michaelhhhh | from cvs |
| 20:59.57 | Chestal | hmm, no CIA? |
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| 21:03.24 | Michaelhhhh | what a whiner jweeks is |
| 21:04.26 | Noodleman | no, really? |
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| 21:04.44 | Noodleman | if he doesn't like it, why does he want to use it? |
| 21:06.07 | Oman | -i partily worked |
| 21:06.17 | Oman | -p0 won't work |
| 21:07.13 | EvilGrif | I've been having problems linking bzflag, and I recieved an email to my posting in the forums to come here and talk about it |
| 21:08.45 | Michaelhhhh | well Oman, -i specifies the path to the patch and it's either -p0/1/2 |
| 21:09.03 | Michaelhhhh | so you don't put -p0 -p1 -p2 ... |
| 21:09.27 | Oman | So just put -i |
| 21:09.43 | Michaelhhhh | it's -i nameofpatchfile |
| 21:09.57 | Michaelhhhh | -i pathtopatchfile/patchfile.diff |
| 21:10.05 | Oman | but that just brings up 180,398 errors |
| 21:10.24 | Michaelhhhh | and what are they saying? |
| 21:10.57 | Oman | No such file |
| 21:11.07 | Michaelhhhh | if the source is too different from the source that the patch was made against, that's what will happen |
| 21:11.20 | Michaelhhhh | no such file.... |
| 21:11.33 | Michaelhhhh | need to specify the right path to the patch file |
| 21:11.45 | Michaelhhhh | oh |
| 21:11.47 | Oman | it is though |
| 21:11.58 | Michaelhhhh | Wrong source perhaps I suppose |
| 21:12.12 | Oman | than what is the right sorce |
| 21:12.17 | Michaelhhhh | is the file in the zip file? |
| 21:12.26 | Oman | what file |
| 21:12.28 | Oman | ? |
| 21:12.42 | Oman | src |
| 21:12.44 | Oman | ? |
| 21:13.03 | Michaelhhhh | I simply mean the patch is made against a certain set of files |
| 21:13.17 | Michaelhhhh | and if you don't have the right source it won't work properly |
| 21:13.52 | Oman | how do you figure out if you have the right source you can't right |
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| 21:14.18 | Michaelhhhh | Because the patch doesn't work.... |
| 21:14.36 | Oman | THAN WHAT PATCH DOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:14.55 | Michaelhhhh | it says something like hunk failed at XXXX |
| 21:14.58 | GriffenJBS | a CRC check of the src, stored in the .diff would be nice |
| 21:15.14 | Oman | really nice |
| 21:15.14 | Michaelhhhh | or even a date and time would work wonders |
| 21:15.38 | GriffenJBS | Michaelhhhh: dates & times can change with the same file contents |
| 21:15.40 | Michaelhhhh | it's one downfalling of patches |
| 21:16.00 | Oman | WHY ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:16.02 | Michaelhhhh | It at least gives you a ballpark estimate of when the cvs source |
| 21:16.12 | Michaelhhhh | should be gotten at |
| 21:16.25 | Oman | I wish this was made easyer |
| 21:16.39 | Michaelhhhh | Since you can download the entire source of last year Dec 21st.... |
| 21:16.40 | GriffenJBS | Michaelhhhh: if that's what you want write it in as a comment into the .diff file |
| 21:16.41 | Oman | Like you click on a exe and then it would change |
| 21:16.43 | Michaelhhhh | via cvs |
| 21:17.26 | Michaelhhhh | I'm not the one that wrote the patch file to begin with, and I'm not the one complaining :) |
| 21:17.45 | GriffenJBS | Michaelhhhh: nor are you the one using it, so your off the hook entirely |
| 21:18.23 | Michaelhhhh | what's the path to the patch file? |
| 21:18.25 | Oman | Is there any way possible to get this esayer? Well I think the only way is to get a exe that you click on it and it would find the rigyht patch and every thing |
| 21:18.35 | Michaelhhhh | no way |
| 21:19.07 | Oman | path |
| 21:19.12 | Oman | I man PATH |
| 21:19.41 | Oman | I mean PATCH |
| 21:20.08 | Oman | I mean PATCH |
| 21:20.21 | Michaelhhhh | does anyone have the url for pat's patch again? |
| 21:20.30 | Oman | I mean path |
| 21:20.57 | Oman | i don't know |
| 21:21.09 | Oman | it dosen't work by my jugement |
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| 21:21.57 | Oman | ran c++ build on pat's patch |
| 21:22.11 | Oman | no new missile |
| 21:22.19 | Oman | Just the old one |
| 21:22.58 | Michaelhhhh | Did you say you are 10 years old? |
| 21:23.09 | Oman | yeah |
| 21:23.12 | Oman | but my dad is working on it too |
| 21:24.38 | Michaelhhhh | do you have the url to the zip file ? |
| 21:24.42 | Michaelhhhh | to the patch file? |
| 21:24.46 | Oman | No |
| 21:25.08 | Oman | Just to the diff file |
| 21:26.55 | GriffenJBS | what's the difference between the old and new missle? |
| 21:27.36 | Oman | 3d missile is the new one |
| 21:27.51 | Oman | only on local client |
| 21:28.00 | GriffenJBS | ic |
| 21:28.30 | Michaelhhhh | all you need to do is get the source from cvs from Date Last Updated: |
| 21:28.30 | Michaelhhhh | 2003-02-07 12:15 |
| 21:28.34 | GriffenJBS | bzflag won't compile for me, so I think your already ahead of the game |
| 21:28.52 | Michaelhhhh | and then apply the patch against that |
| 21:29.32 | Michaelhhhh | that would be one suggestion |
| 21:30.14 | Oman | I am going to try that |
| 21:31.03 | Michaelhhhh | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3248&atid=303248&func=detail&aid=682463 |
| 21:31.07 | Michaelhhhh | here's the original patch |
| 21:31.13 | Michaelhhhh | at least some instructions |
| 21:33.18 | Michaelhhhh | there's no G1 anymore.. I have no idea.... |
| 21:33.45 | Michaelhhhh | Might have to just get the G2 source and modify it |
| 21:38.30 | Oman | I have G1 |
| 21:38.56 | Oman | You can download g1 from my dads site |
| 21:40.14 | Michaelhhhh | pfffft |
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| 21:40.28 | Michaelhhhh | and apparently he's an expert too |
| 21:44.54 | GriffenJBS | Can anyone help me compiling bzflag |
| 21:45.47 | Oman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.52 | Michaelhhhh | what os are you using? |
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| 21:47.57 | GriffenJBS | linux |
| 21:48.05 | Michaelhhhh | what ... |
| 21:48.09 | Michaelhhhh | is your quest ? |
| 21:48.11 | GriffenJBS | actually the problem is linking |
| 21:48.41 | GriffenJBS | the opengl layer and the game engine are not linking |
| 21:48.52 | Michaelhhhh | Not a linux person, but what is the message? |
| 21:49.46 | GriffenJBS | OpenGLGState.cxx exports setBlend(GLenum, GLenum), but HUDui.cxx is looking for setBlend(signed, signed) |
| 21:53.18 | Michaelhhhh | paging limux person..... paging linux person......... |
| 21:53.50 | GriffenJBS | Is there a doctor in the house? |
| 21:53.59 | Michaelhhhh | Is this the latest cvs source? |
| 21:54.17 | Michaelhhhh | If it is, someone has been hacking away on it lately |
| 21:55.07 | Chestal | there was some commit related to that enums yesterday I think |
| 21:55.51 | Chestal | griff: what os/compiler? |
| 21:55.55 | Oman | how do you type private messages again |
| 21:56.43 | Chestal | /msg oracle hello or /query oracle |
| 21:57.00 | Oman | ok |
| 21:58.18 | GriffenJBS | linux/gcc |
| 21:58.59 | GriffenJBS | I haven't seen any comments relating to enums |
| 22:01.42 | Chestal | there was a commit cast constants to GLenum type in case compiler or defines are troublesome |
| 22:01.53 | Chestal | which does thign slike |
| 22:01.54 | Chestal | - gstate.setBlending(GL_ONE, GL_ONE); |
| 22:01.55 | Chestal | + gstate.setBlending((GLenum)GL_ONE, (GLenum)GL_ONE); |
| 22:02.00 | Chestal | to BackgrundRenderer.cxx |
| 22:02.06 | Tupone | GriffenJBS: what distro you have? |
| 22:02.14 | Chestal | I don't know the deeper meanign of that |
| 22:02.53 | GriffenJBS | Tupone: Linux from scratch |
| 22:03.09 | Tupone | what linux? all from the source? |
| 22:03.18 | GriffenJBS | Chestal: yes, those are my postings |
| 22:03.24 | GriffenJBS | Tupone: yup |
| 22:03.35 | GriffenJBS | Tupone: the problem is internal to BZflag |
| 22:03.58 | GriffenJBS | it's not linking BackgrundRenderer.o with OpenGLGState.o |
| 22:04.21 | Tupone | IC! I answered to your request. |
| 22:04.45 | GriffenJBS | You told me to come here, and here I am :-) |
| 22:04.51 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:06.02 | GriffenJBS | hold on a min |
| 22:07.17 | Tupone | GriffenJBS: can you setup an account accessible via ssh for me to compile & link bzflag! |
| 22:07.17 | GriffenJBS | OpenGLGState.o exports setBlending(GLenum, GLenum), but HUDui.o is looking for setBlending(unsigned, unsigned) |
| 22:07.43 | Tupone | GLenum is unsigned on linux! isn't it? |
| 22:08.36 | CIA-2 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): make sure there's only one instance of __beginendCount; ugly, but it's only for debugging and will go away anyway |
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| 22:12.30 | Chestal | it should use GLenum in all cases, if it doesn't, there probably is somethign wrong with the includes |
| 22:12.35 | Chestal | thast was also changed today |
| 22:13.02 | GriffenJBS | Chestal: in cvs? |
| 22:13.04 | Tupone | I suppose that is the way the linker do (GLenum == unsigned) |
| 22:13.59 | Tupone | seems to me that who invoke the call and who define the proc use different header |
| 22:14.19 | Tupone | but from a first view ... nothing |
| 22:14.39 | Chestal | Griffen: yes |
| 22:14.46 | Tupone | I'll come later |
| 22:18.13 | GriffenJBS | Chestal: what module name should I use for cvs? |
| 22:19.08 | GriffenJBS | nevermind, I got it |
| 22:21.36 | Chestal | anon lags behind, though |
| 22:22.23 | GriffenJBS | right now I'm compiling 1.10.3.20040104 |
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| 22:33.30 | your_dog | hey, who wants to play ducati? |
| 22:33.40 | scanline | mm... dog... |
| 22:34.18 | your_dog | nm |
| 22:34.23 | your_dog | someone is there :) |
| 22:37.29 | your_dog | ok, he's there, but not there. you know what i mean? |
| 22:37.55 | |tim| | He's there but not playing? |
| 22:38.42 | your_dog | yeah :) |
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| 22:43.17 | Noodleman | KnoWhutImean? |
| 22:44.35 | bryjen | Vern |
| 22:44.46 | Noodleman | Hey Vern! |
| 22:44.46 | Michaelhhhh | geez vc6 doesn't like patched dsp files |
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| 22:47.17 | bryjen | include "foo.h" != include "Foo.h" |
| 22:51.07 | david_v | i like it. that way you can use less imagination and store a file with an eight-character filename in at least 256 different ways. really constructive ;) |
| 22:53.24 | Michaelhhhh | hmm |
| 22:53.28 | Michaelhhhh | what patch would that be |
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| 22:54.01 | Chestal | bryjen: write a script which creates symlinks for all possible combinatons of upper/lowercase ;-) |
| 22:54.32 | bryjen | Ok cHeSTal |
| 22:54.34 | bryjen | :) |
| 22:55.15 | bryjen | whoops. no link-ey |
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| 23:01.00 | your_dog | b back in a bit |
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| 23:10.09 | zak | waaas i poked for a reason presioous? |
| 23:11.24 | purple_cow | doubtful |
| 23:11.33 | bryjen | ~spell presioous |
| 23:11.37 | | possible spellings for presioous: precious previous perilous paresis perishes press periods perishers propitious |
| 23:12.06 | zak | hehe... thats cute |
| 23:13.08 | Oman | ~spell Green |
| 23:13.09 | | 'Green' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:13.14 | Oman | lol |
| 23:13.37 | Oman | ~define Green |
| 23:13.40 | zak | ~spell prolly |
| 23:13.42 | | possible spellings for prolly: Polly priorly prowl drolly Perilla payroll parole poll purely roll portly primly pronely proudly frilly orally trolley Roley Rollo pally parolee prowler rally droll prosy troll |
| 23:13.55 | Oman | ~spell toliet |
| 23:13.57 | | possible spellings for toliet: toilet toiled toled toilette Joliet tolled Tildie toiler toilets tilt tooled tilter tiled Toledo tilde tole polite Tolley dolt tailed told dollied tallied tilled Colet Tobit toiletry toles tooler |
| 23:14.05 | Oman | lol |
| 23:14.11 | zak | no, it's probably.. i'm just lazy |
| 23:14.45 | Oman | ~spell poop |
| 23:14.46 | | 'poop' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:14.51 | Oman | lool |
| 23:14.56 | purple_cow | .me sighs |
| 23:15.02 | Oman | ~spell pooop |
| 23:15.05 | | possible spellings for pooop: poop pop Pippo Poppy poppy Pip Pope pip pope poops pap pep pup Pooh plop pomp pooh poor prop Coop Pippa Pippy Pogo Polo coop goop hoop loop pogo polo poof pool |
| 23:15.06 | zak | ~spell ninjer |
| 23:15.10 | | possible spellings for ninjer: ninja inker nine nicker nigher dinker linker pinker rinker sinker tinker winker Niger Inger nines Bunker bunker nigger ninjas inkier minke ninety Nike Nunki nonage none inner Junker Miner banker conker dinkier dunker honker hunker junker kinkier miner monger munger nonuser nunnery punker Nonie Nunez nine's nonce nones |
| 23:15.20 | Oman | lol |
| 23:15.26 | Oman | ~spell Oman |
| 23:15.28 | | 'Oman' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:15.33 | scanline | GET A ROOM |
| 23:15.35 | Oman | YEAH |
| 23:15.46 | Oman | ~Me lol you |
| 23:15.50 | | moi? |
| 23:17.06 | purple_cow | Oman: how old are you again? |
| 23:17.10 | Oman | ~spell case-sensitive |
| 23:17.11 | | 'case-sensitive' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:17.33 | zak | s/woders/wonders |
| 23:19.57 | zak | s/wyth/with |
| 23:20.00 | zak | gfdg |
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| 23:20.45 | Oman | what does lt mean |
| 23:21.09 | Oman | Is there a dictonary one |
| 23:21.13 | Oman | I need to use it |
| 23:21.38 | zak | yea |
| 23:21.46 | zak | www.dictionary.com |
| 23:21.50 | Oman | lol |
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| 23:34.50 | your_dog | hello |
| 23:34.59 | Oman | bonjour |
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| 23:43.47 | Michaelhhhh | i got the missle patch to work.. |
| 23:43.51 | Michaelhhhh | na na a booboo |
| 23:43.52 | Oman | you did |
| 23:43.56 | Michaelhhhh | missile |
| 23:43.57 | Oman | Omg this sucks |
| 23:44.26 | Michaelhhhh | when it patches the dsp files, they don't work anymore though, so I had to edit those by hand |
| 23:44.44 | Michaelhhhh | which is not very hard |
| 23:44.57 | Oman | I am typeing the stuff in right now in the souce |
| 23:47.57 | Oman | ~spell Missippii |
| 23:48.01 | | possible spellings for Missippii: Mississippi Missie Misapply Misspoke Missouri Misstep Missile Missing Missive Misapplier Misspeak Misspell Missie's Misshape Miss Scipio Gossip Missus Missy Misti Mission Misstepping Mossier Mussier Massimo Gossipy Mossies Mossing Mussing Sipper |
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