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| 00:47.49 | dabomb | anyone is up for a game on ducati:59999? |
| 00:47.59 | dabomb | errr |
| 00:48.03 | dabomb | is anyone? |
| 00:48.23 | |tim| | yeah bomb i gots one |
| 00:48.27 | |tim| | come back |
| 00:48.29 | dabomb | ok |
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| 01:04.15 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): fixed (?) PlayerKilled by world weapon |
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| 01:43.56 | ninjer_proton | does anyone understand what this is asking? https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=2350850 |
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| 01:47.51 | bryjen | down for maintenance :( |
| 01:48.26 | ninjer_proton | err, i think i sort of got it |
| 01:48.41 | ninjer_proton | its just that the main question is very obfuscated |
| 01:54.58 | bryjen | odd. the status page the "down for maintenance" thing links to doesn't show anything down... |
| 01:57.36 | ninjer_proton | :) |
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| 03:08.31 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 12bzflag/data (thief.wav): Resampled in a format accepted by bzflag |
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| 03:51.58 | bryjen | the auto-kicks send a message directly to the player before booting them, don't they? |
| 03:53.43 | bryjen | err, and that's in the server, not playing.cxx.... |
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| 04:42.18 | fhffhqvb | ~bzflist |
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| 09:53.01 | |tim| | Two cheaters on lbdpc15.epfl.ch |
| 09:53.16 | |tim| | on 1.7 |
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| 10:57.48 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): make it a conforming program |
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| 13:47.12 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
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| 13:56.08 | Chestal | hi |
| 13:56.19 | orchid | hello |
| 13:56.39 | Chestal | arrived safely? |
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| 13:57.05 | orchid | yeah :) |
| 13:57.09 | Chestal | good :-) |
| 13:57.17 | orchid | it was a big jet this time |
| 13:57.40 | Chestal | oh, a smaller one on the other way? |
| 13:57.51 | orchid | yeah, a little tiny one |
| 13:57.59 | Chestal | those are fun to fly with |
| 13:58.05 | orchid | no theytre not |
| 13:58.19 | Chestal | usually they do not go so high so you can actually see something out of the window |
| 13:58.28 | orchid | i dont think there is anything fun about flying |
| 13:58.32 | Chestal | and they can fly tighter curves :-) |
| 13:58.37 | orchid | :) |
| 13:58.50 | orchid | has there been much cvs activity? |
| 13:58.55 | Chestal | I do not have much experience flying, only my 3 visits to the USA |
| 13:59.29 | Chestal | I had a short flight from Duesseldorf to Amsterdam with a small plane, that was fun |
| 13:59.39 | orchid | well, im done flying for a while hopefully |
| 13:59.42 | Chestal | well, some, but overall has been very quiet here |
| 14:00.01 | Chestal | I hated the long flights, though, not enough space and boring |
| 14:00.16 | Chestal | did you change timezones? |
| 14:00.21 | orchid | yeah |
| 14:00.42 | orchid | we have a lot of timezones in canada |
| 14:00.46 | orchid | so its hard not to :) |
| 14:01.15 | Chestal | I forgot my flight to Edinburgh, just for the record :-) |
| 14:01.40 | Chestal | and my 6 or so intra-Germany flights, but those were mere hops |
| 14:02.09 | Chestal | never took a flight for private things yet, though, all for business |
| 14:03.06 | Chestal | simpler with timezones in Europe, in current EU, only 2 of them (UK and the rest) |
| 14:03.15 | Chestal | I assume some of the new countries have another timezone |
| 14:04.14 | orchid | im glad to be rid of that 28.8 connection though :) |
| 14:04.37 | Chestal | you are spoiled |
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| 14:06.26 | orchid | i suppose so, but happily spolied |
| 14:06.33 | orchid | hi Tupone |
| 14:06.45 | Tupone | ciao |
| 14:06.56 | Chestal | hmmph, forgot my bottle of water in the car |
| 14:07.08 | Tupone | orchid: back home? |
| 14:07.25 | orchid | Tupone: yes, last night |
| 14:07.58 | Chestal | hi Tupone, your world weapon change looks good, although Imust say that this function has become way too complicated over time. Have you tested it? |
| 14:08.06 | Tupone | no |
| 14:08.18 | Tupone | not tested, but code is so crazy |
| 14:08.46 | Tupone | not tested with weapon, I mean |
| 14:08.52 | Chestal | and the function is recursive :-) |
| 14:09.07 | Tupone | Yeah, it was! :( |
| 14:09.40 | Chestal | someone care to join ducati 59777 for a quick test? |
| 14:09.53 | Tupone | I'll try |
| 14:16.42 | fontenot | ducati.bzflag.org:59777 ? |
| 14:16.48 | fontenot | for some reason I can't connect |
| 14:16.55 | Manu_1 | it's down now |
| 14:17.07 | fontenot | ah |
| 14:17.21 | Manu_1 | you arrived late :) |
| 14:32.47 | fontenot | np |
| 14:32.49 | fontenot | :-D |
| 14:32.57 | fontenot | i just like to help test when I can |
| 14:33.07 | fontenot | damn I forgot how addictive this game is |
| 14:33.41 | Manu_1 | addictive.... he he... why do you say that? :-D |
| 14:33.53 | fontenot | i had to stop myself from playing last time |
| 14:33.59 | fontenot | i was spending like 8 hours a day |
| 14:34.14 | fontenot | i would start playing when I got home and then suddenly is was 3am |
| 14:34.25 | fontenot | the new release got me to try it again |
| 14:34.52 | fontenot | heh I dont know what half the flags do anymore |
| 14:35.18 | Manu_1 | new version have new mode games and new flags |
| 14:36.23 | fontenot | i got the thief flag and was trying to shoot someone and just a blue plane was comng out of my tank but they didn't die :-) |
| 14:36.30 | Manu_1 | but there are a lot of people playing in 1.7g2 |
| 14:36.39 | Manu_1 | he he.... |
| 14:36.52 | Tupone | fontenot: TH is for getting enemy flag |
| 14:36.55 | Manu_1 | thief is good some times |
| 14:37.07 | fontenot | oh heh - doesn't make much sense in a non CTF game then |
| 14:37.12 | fontenot | this was a FFA |
| 14:37.16 | Tupone | any flag |
| 14:37.22 | fontenot | ooooooh |
| 14:37.28 | fontenot | sounds interesting |
| 14:37.31 | Manu_1 | you can thief the flag to another player.. he he |
| 14:37.35 | Tupone | any flag the enemy has,, GM |
| 14:37.50 | Manu_1 | some times is really good.. believe me |
| 14:37.51 | fontenot | cool |
| 14:38.07 | fontenot | do you have to get really close or just hit them with the plane ? |
| 14:38.07 | Manu_1 | then players needs new tactics to play |
| 14:38.25 | Manu_1 | is like a shoot.. you can see the TH range in radar |
| 14:38.42 | fontenot | I'll have to practice with it |
| 14:38.58 | Manu_1 | so not killing the player, only get his flag... |
| 14:39.26 | fontenot | sounds good against GM or L |
| 14:39.37 | Manu_1 | TH also make the tanks small and quick... |
| 14:39.49 | Manu_1 | difficult to hit |
| 14:40.01 | fontenot | oooh that explains why my control changed when I got it |
| 14:40.02 | fontenot | lol |
| 14:40.09 | Manu_1 | yes. but remember that with TH can't kill he he |
| 14:40.28 | fontenot | i was so surprised that my tank got fast and was shooting this blue thing that I forgot to evade and got killed :-D |
| 14:40.52 | Manu_1 | heh e |
| 14:41.02 | Tupone | also, when you drop the TH flag, you cannot shot for a while |
| 14:41.14 | Tupone | s/shot/shoot/ |
| 14:41.20 | Manu_1 | yes... a little shot lag... |
| 14:41.54 | fontenot | where can I find how to run bots on my server? I see one of the new features is "smarter bots" |
| 14:42.05 | Manu_1 | it's funny when you have a laser or GM and a TH infront of you thief your flag.. then you can kill him easyli... he he |
| 14:42.07 | fontenot | i grepped for bot in the man page but did not find it |
| 14:42.09 | Tupone | bots are run by the client |
| 14:42.28 | fontenot | oh heh |
| 14:42.29 | Tupone | with bzflag -solo 4 |
| 14:42.46 | fontenot | cool thanks |
| 14:42.56 | Manu_1 | and new bots are more dangerous... he he don't stop in front him |
| 14:43.14 | Manu_1 | you also can try auto-pilot pressing 9 key while playing |
| 14:43.15 | fontenot | heh |
| 14:43.24 | fontenot | they used to be rather dumb |
| 14:43.39 | fontenot | what is auto-pilot ? turns me into a bot ? |
| 14:43.46 | Manu_1 | auto-pilot is good but try to crash with buildings... he he |
| 14:43.55 | Manu_1 | not really... |
| 14:44.16 | Manu_1 | the tanks is auto-piloted and it's really better than some players |
| 14:44.26 | Manu_1 | out there.... he he |
| 14:44.41 | Manu_1 | you can use auto-pilot while typing |
| 14:44.50 | fontenot | nice |
| 14:45.48 | Manu_1 | auto-pilot is not good only for complex maps... with a lot of boxes pyramids and walls |
| 14:46.31 | fontenot | yeah I was just on one like that |
| 14:46.40 | fontenot | some maps are amazing |
| 14:46.51 | fontenot | did the map editor ever get released ? |
| 14:46.59 | Manu_1 | dunno |
| 14:47.10 | Noodlema1 | fontenot: which map editor? |
| 14:47.42 | fontenot | last time I was hanging out here a lot (many months ago) someone was working on a 3d graphical map editor - not sure who anymore |
| 14:47.56 | fontenot | they were a regular in this channel tho |
| 14:48.08 | Noodleman | Patlabor221 has one for windows |
| 14:48.15 | Noodleman | it's really good |
| 14:48.28 | Manu_1 | i only build maps with scripts... by hand |
| 14:48.37 | orchid | http://www.artemisgames.com/BZEdit/ |
| 14:48.46 | Noodleman | captain_proton was working on one for linux, but i don't think it ever really got off the ground |
| 14:48.59 | fontenot | yeah that was probably it |
| 14:49.04 | fontenot | too bad :-( |
| 14:49.22 | Noodleman | people have had success running the windows version in wine |
| 14:49.28 | Noodleman | i've personally never tried it |
| 14:49.34 | orchid | yes, it worked in wine |
| 14:49.46 | orchid | and runs even better in vmware :) |
| 14:49.52 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 14:54.04 | fontenot | hmm this implies there is a native linux version: " So if you are of the linux persuasion and can't get the native linux editor to compile," |
| 14:54.27 | Noodleman | yes, that's the one captain_proton was working on |
| 14:54.50 | Noodleman | but it doesn't work for everybody, and it's not as polished or complete |
| 14:55.22 | fontenot | ah OK |
| 14:57.09 | dheckaman_ | yo Noodleman! |
| 14:57.21 | Noodleman | you |
| 14:57.24 | Noodleman | yo* |
| 14:57.25 | Noodleman | heh |
| 14:57.33 | Noodleman | :-) |
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| 15:07.39 | orchid | hi ninjer_proton |
| 15:09.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bbb *!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net *!*edelstei*@* *!*@68.111.116.228] by brin.freenode.net |
| 15:09.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bbb *sussudio*!*@* *gorb*!*@* *cell*!*@*] by brin.freenode.net |
| 15:10.33 | CIA-5 | 03atupone * 12bzflag/data (burrow.wav): Changed sampling rate to 22050 (bzflag digests this). Speed is half'd. |
| 15:10.42 | fontenot | wow is that cell guy still coming around? |
| 15:10.55 | dheckaman_ | heh |
| 15:11.01 | dheckaman_ | sussudio hangs out in #debian |
| 15:11.14 | dheckaman_ | I go in to ask a question, and this pops up... |
| 15:11.15 | dheckaman_ | ~sud |
| 15:11.17 | | shut up doug |
| 15:11.19 | dheckaman_ | :) |
| 15:11.24 | dheckaman_ | its hilarius |
| 15:11.24 | Noodleman | sheesh |
| 15:11.28 | learner | cell hasn't been here in months since the more strict ban was put in place |
| 15:11.42 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.46 | learner | hi tupone |
| 15:11.52 | dheckaman_ | I dont vote that :0 |
| 15:11.52 | Tupone | hi learner |
| 15:12.01 | Noodleman | sussudio has a major attitude problem when provoked |
| 15:12.06 | fontenot | i thought he (cell) would have gotten tired a long long time ago |
| 15:12.19 | learner | suss has already been here and has recently been behaving mostly |
| 15:12.41 | Manu_1 | Hi again! |
| 15:12.57 | Noodleman | yes, i've noticed he hasn't gone ballistic lately |
| 15:13.12 | Chestal | learner: 'list server includes counts for players running on non-public servers on the same machine on different ports' was added by you? |
| 15:13.37 | learner | yes, I added that -- never investigated the details, though |
| 15:13.58 | Chestal | can you reproduce it? sounds strange to me |
| 15:13.59 | learner | I did notice it on at least one occasion, though |
| 15:14.08 | Chestal | I am almost sure it is something else |
| 15:14.15 | learner | could be |
| 15:14.23 | Tupone | anyone likes the new TH wav. It should fix the deaf BUGS |
| 15:14.23 | learner | should be |
| 15:14.29 | Chestal | maybe a problem with not giving -publicaddr |
| 15:14.39 | Manu_1 | i like it! |
| 15:15.52 | Tupone | I have only resampled that wav |
| 15:16.05 | Chestal | interesting, makes for a totally different in-game sound |
| 15:16.39 | learner | Chestal: the first time that I noticed it was on bzg's server -- there was a league match going on 59999 that had the usual 2-2 and about 4 or so observers -- player counts on the public side reflected those numbers, yet there were only 2-players on the actual "public" port server |
| 15:17.04 | learner | i thought it might have just been a delay or something, but the game was already in progress for several minutes |
| 15:17.43 | learner | but, then, it still could be something else altogether -- and the numbers were just a coincidence |
| 15:17.47 | Tupone | I think it was because -publicaddr was missig or wrong. Not check is in to overcome a bad publicaddr |
| 15:18.12 | learner | servers on 59999 etc don't have a publicaddr |
| 15:18.39 | Chestal | the 59999 shouldn't even have -public and never contact the list server |
| 15:18.50 | Tupone | but could be they have -public options? Otherwise in the code the list server is not advertize |
| 15:18.53 | learner | ah.. but maybe it did.. and that was the problem.. |
| 15:18.53 | Chestal | is there still some sort of 'ping'? |
| 15:19.06 | Chestal | for LAN discovery? |
| 15:19.23 | Tupone | yes only for lan |
| 15:19.33 | learner | that's probably it.. the 59999 server reported it was 5156 -- list server confirmed that there was a server running on 5156 |
| 15:19.49 | Tupone | but was another |
| 15:19.52 | learner | so player add/removes affected the count |
| 15:20.04 | learner | when they were technically for a different server |
| 15:20.15 | learner | interesting problem |
| 15:20.33 | Tupone | an add is global, so does not sum up |
| 15:21.20 | Chestal | grmpf, machine setup is still borked, domainname is set incorrectly, soI cannot test -public without -publicaddr |
| 15:21.52 | learner | it doesn't matter if you add multiple times -- the last player add will set the player count for that server |
| 15:22.13 | learner | so if the last add was to 59999 the count will be for that server and not the 5156 one |
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| 15:30.14 | michaelh | cvs diff in cygwin doesn't seem to work |
| 15:30.53 | learner | is diff in your path? |
| 15:30.53 | michaelh | says endof file and it spits out the ssh command line info |
| 15:31.03 | michaelh | like all the options available for ssh |
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| 15:32.29 | michaelh | almost looks like one the options is wrong that cvs diff is using |
| 15:32.42 | learner | perhaps |
| 15:32.52 | learner | what does cvs diff -u do? |
| 15:33.25 | michaelh | $ cvs diff -u |
| 15:33.25 | michaelh | Usage: ssh [options] host [command] |
| 15:33.25 | michaelh | Options: |
| 15:33.25 | michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.25 | michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.26 | michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.40 | michaelh | cvs [diff aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 15:33.48 | michaelh | with a bunch of lines inbetween |
| 15:34.07 | michaelh | did they change ssh? |
| 15:34.14 | michaelh | :) |
| 15:34.31 | learner | did it used to work? |
| 15:34.44 | michaelh | This is ssh access, checked out directory with tortoise cvs |
| 15:34.57 | michaelh | not since I installed this version |
| 15:35.06 | michaelh | on my home puter it works but it is an older version |
| 15:35.14 | learner | ah, could be how it's looking up the root |
| 15:35.20 | learner | try feeding it root too |
| 15:35.41 | learner | cvs -d whoever@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag diff -u |
| 15:36.42 | michaelh | woohoo |
| 15:37.12 | michaelh | tortoise cvs generated some borked diff file |
| 15:37.51 | learner | no, it's probably the Root file in the CVS dir -- what does it say? |
| 15:39.25 | michaelh | :ext:michaelh20@@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 15:39.53 | learner | nasty little double @@ in there.. |
| 15:41.01 | michaelh | hmm perhaps something ignored something it shouldn't have |
| 15:42.54 | michaelh | cvs server: Diffing src/bzflag |
| 15:42.54 | michaelh | cvs server: failed to create lock directory for `/cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzfl |
| 15:42.54 | michaelh | /#cvs.lock): No such file or directory |
| 15:42.54 | michaelh | cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/src/ |
| 15:42.54 | michaelh | 'zflag |
| 15:42.54 | michaelh | cvs [server aborted]: read lock failed - giving up |
| 15:44.08 | learner | what was that with? |
| 15:44.41 | michaelh | $ cvs -d michaelh20@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag diff -u src/bzflag src/bzfs > pa |
| 15:44.41 | michaelh | tch5.txt |
| 15:44.42 | learner | until you recheckout or fix your Root files (all of them), it's not going to work right |
| 15:44.54 | michaelh | awww |
| 15:44.55 | learner | ah, hrm |
| 15:45.12 | michaelh | clearly the development team sucks.... |
| 15:45.18 | michaelh | j/k |
| 15:45.36 | learner | can you diff each dir individually? |
| 15:46.01 | learner | normally two arguments would mean to compare that directory to the other |
| 15:46.45 | michaelh | cvs diff is not the same though as diff |
| 15:46.50 | learner | although it does "work for me" |
| 15:46.57 | michaelh | arg |
| 15:47.29 | michaelh | so is :ext:michaelh20@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag ok? |
| 15:47.55 | michaelh | or is the ext should be gone |
| 15:48.14 | learner | so... mv oldfile oldfile.new && cvs update && diff -u oldfile.new oldfile >> patch.txt |
| 15:48.38 | learner | :ext: is superfluous, but your cvs client may care |
| 15:49.04 | learner | I've yet to see it matter, though, as default ext is ssh |
| 15:54.17 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): more details on how to trojan a server's player counts with the list server |
| 16:01.27 | michaelh | you're right I got an extra @ in the server thing in the checkout with tortoise and it didn't complain |
| 16:01.58 | michaelh | THOSE TERRIBLE PROGRAMMERS HAVENT GOT A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:02.01 | michaelh | j/k |
| 16:02.36 | michaelh | One should always remember to complain loudly about software they get for free |
| 16:03.43 | michaelh | pitb |
| 16:04.18 | michaelh | I still don't have a real work assignment for my job |
| 16:05.06 | learner | plenty of time to program, then |
| 16:05.59 | michaelh | some vague ideas about what i should be doing but I haven't been assigned to real project or client yet |
| 16:06.35 | michaelh | plus I wouldn't know what to do for a real client or project without direction |
| 16:06.49 | michaelh | and I am completely alone in the office ....... |
| 16:07.01 | learner | perfect for programming |
| 16:23.39 | bryjen | ibot: bzflist17 |
| 16:25.03 | Chestal | hmm, in 1.7 with CTF, tanks only spawn in the center 70% or so of the map IIRC? |
| 16:25.26 | Chestal | should we get this into 1.10 as well? or maybe never spawn too close to a team flag / enemy team flag? |
| 16:25.53 | fontenot | has FFA spawning behavior changed with 1.10 ? |
| 16:26.21 | Chestal | spawns are now server-side |
| 16:26.23 | learner | fontenot: yes |
| 16:26.35 | Chestal | and server does not yet have full game-state, so there's only so much we can do |
| 16:26.54 | Chestal | spawning in CVS works quite well on my 2 shot servers so far |
| 16:26.55 | fontenot | ah OK |
| 16:27.26 | fontenot | i really like that things are moving server-side |
| 16:29.20 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (TODO): more thoughts about spawning |
| 16:29.28 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (BZAdminClient.cxx): the gcc darwin-ppc implementation really does not like that std::string reference getting reset. this fixes the build by only setting the reference before returning. |
| 16:29.56 | learner | dunno Ches.. I never really liked that the whole map wasn't used, but I can see the arguments both for/against it |
| 16:30.27 | Chestal | it's a little weird when I spawn next to the enemy base |
| 16:30.37 | Chestal | I wonder how the old rule fared on custom maps |
| 16:30.47 | Chestal | but I think those usually had the bases near the edges, too |
| 16:31.12 | learner | true.. it'd make more sense to not spawn near anything, including buildings/walls, flags, bases, etc |
| 16:32.08 | bryjen | I thought I was falling in from the sky a bit often last night, but maybe I was popping in on a small platform and immediately driving off the edge.... |
| 16:32.27 | learner | even then, I'd probably pick something like 1% of map width's distance from said objects |
| 16:33.20 | Chestal | bryjen: most servers will not be running the newest spawn code yet |
| 16:33.33 | Chestal | bryjen: on the other hand, I haven't tried it on custom maps with jumping etc. |
| 16:33.53 | bryjen | i got cvs yesterday |
| 16:34.24 | Chestal | trying to find a good spot takes some time, on poor old P-75 ducati, the current max. number of tries (100) can take >10ms to complete. I cannot afford to increase that |
| 16:34.36 | bryjen | ran my "elevation" map (has lots of platforms) with it last night |
| 16:34.41 | Chestal | with -sb? |
| 16:34.46 | bryjen | yes |
| 16:37.23 | bryjen | i'm running dual P-133, so i'm not in much better shape |
| 16:37.45 | Chestal | not sure how much a complex maps affects that time |
| 16:37.52 | Chestal | guess it would need to check more buildings |
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| 16:43.43 | learner | having the game state server-side would certainly help in making a fast selection (could be immediate), but then there's that extra time of maintaining everything server-side.. :) |
| 16:44.51 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): update on world weapon bug |
| 16:46.10 | bryjen | yeesh. there's got to be a faster way to determine "inBuilding" than looping thru all the objects.... |
| 16:47.31 | Chestal | I don't see how |
| 16:47.46 | Chestal | one idea would be to precalculate 1000 or so possible spawn points when server starts up |
| 16:48.12 | Chestal | then we'd just have to pick one with is safe with respect to tank positions |
| 16:48.59 | Chestal | but I haven't really profiled anything, only measured the full time it takes for the respawn function |
| 16:49.58 | Chestal | I am not sure how much delay we can tolerate in the server |
| 16:50.23 | Chestal | then there's always the possibility of doing things asynchronously, but that's more complicated |
| 16:50.35 | bryjen | threads again |
| 16:50.42 | Chestal | not necessarily |
| 16:50.54 | learner | on that same path, the server could compute spawn entry grids (2d rectangles) and only test entry points within those bounds |
| 16:50.55 | Chestal | can be done without threads, but then you need to keep more state |
| 16:51.09 | Chestal | kinda confusing |
| 16:51.29 | learner | we've already talked about adding "spawn zones" that could be defined in the map -- this is just an extension of that |
| 16:51.56 | Chestal | but don't forget the random maps |
| 16:52.25 | bryjen | I was thinking compile some kind of lookup table at startup since the map doesn't change. sort of what you said about predefining a big list of spawn spots |
| 16:52.28 | Chestal | defining manual spawn zones might be nice (although I see some problems with that), but there must always be the automatism |
| 16:52.29 | learner | random maps would use the default of "everything" just as if spawn zones weren't defined |
| 16:53.06 | learner | right, it wouldn't be any fun to require spawn zones to be defined -- just nice for certain complicated maps where you want to steer the gameplay |
| 16:53.25 | learner | likewise "safety/noshoot-zones" |
| 16:54.54 | orchid | i just got an email telling me theyre incresing speeds! |
| 16:54.58 | orchid | All existing 3.0 Mbps download / 320 Kbps upload services will improve to 4.0 Mbps download / 800 Kbps upload |
| 16:55.01 | learner | jeesh |
| 16:55.03 | orchid | yah |
| 16:55.11 | learner | bite me :) |
| 16:55.18 | orchid | :) |
| 16:55.32 | orchid | thats awesome, for the same $ too, no price increase |
| 16:55.55 | orchid | http://www1.magma.ca/aboutmagma/pressreleases/2003-12-18.cfm |
| 16:55.56 | Chestal | wow, you'll have more upload speed than I have download speed |
| 16:56.25 | Chestal | but _I_ will go watch LotR now :) cu |
| 16:56.28 | orchid | Chestal i have special bandwith needs |
| 16:56.49 | learner | enjoy, Ches! |
| 16:56.54 | orchid | Chestal: dont tell me what happens, i havent seen it |
| 16:57.01 | learner | ! |
| 16:57.24 | Chestal | orchid: haven't read the books? In the end, everyone is dead as in every good story :-) |
| 16:57.31 | orchid | heh |
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| 17:00.11 | orchid | hi RuFiToS |
| 17:00.47 | RuFiToS | hi there |
| 17:00.52 | learner | my isp is more likely to cut my bandwidth, complain about my services running, complain about the bandwidth I use, and try to charge me more for all three |
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| 17:01.47 | orchid | i cant belive mine just does that, its great :) |
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| 17:12.42 | bryjen | I got an email that my cableco was upgrading their data network, and I should see improved speeds, free of charge. After a couple of weeks I got a notice via normal mail they were increasing rates across the board, TV and data |
| 17:13.31 | bryjen | hmm |
| 17:15.33 | bryjen | Oh well. Merry Christmas, orchid. |
| 17:15.43 | orchid | hehe |
| 17:16.02 | orchid | bryjen: your server is on cablemodem? |
| 17:16.13 | bryjen | no, my house |
| 17:16.21 | orchid | ahh |
| 17:16.59 | orchid | our cable company did the same thing, price hiked too much so i went to dsl |
| 17:17.27 | Patlabor221 | fiberchunks, you around? |
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| 17:17.48 | bryjen | the server is at work. the local electric co ran fiber around the town to run their facilities, and rent out spare fibers for commercial internet access |
| 17:19.06 | Death_Barrel | hey rufi :) |
| 17:19.12 | Death_Barrel | how was your break? |
| 17:19.22 | Death_Barrel | holiday? |
| 17:19.56 | RuFiToS | good it's all most over :( |
| 17:20.01 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:20.06 | Death_Barrel | yeah i am back at work |
| 17:20.18 | Death_Barrel | but i get off for 31-2 |
| 17:20.26 | Death_Barrel | DEC 31- Jan 2 |
| 17:20.29 | Death_Barrel | :) |
| 17:20.33 | RuFiToS | cool |
| 17:20.58 | Death_Barrel | one day for party planning, one day for binge drinking, and 1 day for recovery ;) |
| 17:21.07 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:21.07 | RuFiToS | hehe |
| 17:21.16 | RuFiToS | same here :) |
| 17:21.31 | Death_Barrel | guess what happened yestarday? |
| 17:21.39 | Death_Barrel | i was with my sister and her boyfriend |
| 17:21.56 | RuFiToS | and..... |
| 17:22.19 | Death_Barrel | and this guy came out of nowhere and hit me in my eye and grabed my sister cell phone right out of her hands |
| 17:22.28 | Death_Barrel | i was amazed |
| 17:22.29 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:22.42 | Death_Barrel | so her boyfriend and i ran em down and severly beat em |
| 17:22.51 | Death_Barrel | i mean severly |
| 17:22.58 | RuFiToS | woooo |
| 17:22.58 | Death_Barrel | then they got arrested :) |
| 17:23.06 | Death_Barrel | punks |
| 17:23.14 | Death_Barrel | lol, it was sooooooo funny |
| 17:23.28 | Death_Barrel | except for the part where i got hit in the eye |
| 17:23.42 | Death_Barrel | it was 2 guys |
| 17:23.57 | RuFiToS | man theres so may violence this days :( |
| 17:24.01 | Death_Barrel | yeah |
| 17:24.06 | Death_Barrel | i can't believe some people |
| 17:24.21 | Death_Barrel | what is the point of stealing cell phones? |
| 17:24.28 | Death_Barrel | they can't use em |
| 17:25.00 | Death_Barrel | do they call em handy's where you live? |
| 17:25.19 | Death_Barrel | in germany they called them handys |
| 17:25.28 | RuFiToS | handy? |
| 17:25.30 | Death_Barrel | or maybe handies |
| 17:25.44 | Manu_1 | Hi Rufitos! |
| 17:25.49 | Death_Barrel | yeah that is what they call em in germany>>> handy=cell phone |
| 17:25.56 | RuFiToS | hi there manu |
| 17:26.12 | RuFiToS | :) |
| 17:26.15 | Death_Barrel | other than that my holiday was god |
| 17:26.18 | Death_Barrel | good |
| 17:26.27 | Manu_1 | stop playing now |
| 17:26.30 | Death_Barrel | i got a personal GPS for christmas |
| 17:26.42 | RuFiToS | cool :) |
| 17:26.51 | Death_Barrel | it is pretty cool |
| 17:27.01 | Death_Barrel | very acurate |
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| 17:32.34 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.cxx): provide a spinning status icon (textual) when attempting to communicate with an unresponsive or slow list server. |
| 17:33.46 | bryjen | woohoo! spinny stuffs! ;) |
| 17:34.08 | bryjen | ~spell librarys |
| 17:34.10 | | possible spellings for librarys: library's libraries library Libras |
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| 17:36.59 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.cxx): use the first entry time instead of -Inf so that the spinning status is not shown until at least the timeout period -- that'll give a slow list server a tiny timeframe to respond before spinning starts. |
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| 17:38.12 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): proxy support was added for both client and server when talking to list server |
| 17:40.40 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): with the new release, it is hopefully clear that the numbers are disjoint now -- protocol version can match the release version for the version that breaks the protocol, otherwise it is not changed |
| 17:42.30 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): dbrosius accepted dtremenak's patch 864257, adding gamma-corrected png screenshot support |
| 17:47.49 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): updated with what to do for the next release. note the new location of network protocol doc. |
| 17:48.02 | bryjen | BZFlag / learner / whoever's awake: i submitted two different patches that appear to have the same ID # (probly used browser "back" button when i shouldn't've) |
| 17:48.36 | bryjen | One was obsoleted by the list server changes. The other may still be of interest |
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| 17:49.02 | learner | i don't see it |
| 17:49.02 | bryjen | # 833236 |
| 17:49.16 | learner | tighten speed cheat check |
| 17:49.33 | learner | multiple list server support fix is *26 |
| 17:50.00 | bryjen | gah. I should've asked for new glasses for christmas. :( |
| 17:50.05 | learner | ;) |
| 17:50.09 | bryjen | Thx learner |
| 17:50.18 | learner | are they both still good? |
| 17:50.20 | Grumbler | *26, is that like *69, without the 75 cent fee |
| 17:50.48 | bryjen | the list server thing was for 1.7, and thereby mooted by 1.10 |
| 17:51.44 | learner | so.. okay to close? |
| 17:51.50 | bryjen | yes |
| 17:52.29 | Grumbler | so let it be said, so let it be done |
| 17:52.43 | bryjen | the speed cheat check was against 1.7, but may be useful in 1.10 if someone could adapt it. The newer flag stuff was beyond my meager skills. |
| 17:53.53 | learner | the new flag stuff is going to change yet again -- and will hopefully re-enter the scope of more people's skills |
| 17:54.21 | bryjen | sheesh. I could've closed it if i'd remembered to log in. |
| 17:54.30 | learner | heh |
| 17:56.27 | Nidhoggr | hrm. rabbit mode on dragon.org makes it as popular as secretplace, or more. |
| 17:57.04 | Nidhoggr | ~seen larsl |
| 17:57.08 | | larsl <~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 10d 17h 39m 3s ago, saying: 'Eek, that thief sound is loud.'. |
| 17:57.15 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 17:57.31 | bryjen | knocked 'em right off the net it was so loud :) |
| 17:57.53 | bryjen | ~seen lars_56k |
| 17:57.54 | | bryjen: i haven't seen 'lars_56k' |
| 17:57.58 | bryjen | ~seen larsl_56k |
| 17:57.58 | | larsl_56k <~ll@md4690b0e.utfors.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 22h 30m 57s ago, saying: 'What bugs?'. |
| 17:58.05 | Nidhoggr | hm |
| 17:58.06 | Grumbler | "loud and not very directional" |
| 17:58.33 | Nidhoggr | larsl needs to see photo of bzadmin on my phone. |
| 17:59.57 | Nidhoggr | http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/bzadminphone.jpg |
| 18:00.03 | Nidhoggr | it's real. not a vision. :) |
| 18:00.37 | Nidhoggr | learner: did you have a patch to help with 2 servers using same user/groups files? |
| 18:01.46 | learner | Nidhoggr, I did not unless I've been doing some sleep-coding again |
| 18:02.10 | BZFlag | should we be able to change everyone to observers at end-of-game with the current protocol and clients? |
| 18:02.11 | Nidhoggr | it was probably larsl |
| 18:02.12 | bryjen | lars did something like that |
| 18:02.31 | learner | BZFlag: yes, we should -- with a team update message |
| 18:02.40 | BZFlag | thoughts? |
| 18:02.53 | learner | makes sense to me |
| 18:03.09 | learner | perhaps after a timeframe |
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| 18:03.34 | michaelh | what is in_addr composed of? |
| 18:03.41 | learner | gummy bears |
| 18:03.55 | michaelh | s_addr I see is some sort of long |
| 18:03.59 | michaelh | or is it? |
| 18:04.50 | Nidhoggr | it's using ssh... no porting necessary. :) |
| 18:04.59 | Nidhoggr | I use my phone for work a lot. |
| 18:06.00 | Grumbler | zest fully clean, zest fully clean, your not fully clean unless your ssh'd full clean........... |
| 18:06.16 | Nidhoggr | I need to make more soap tonight. |
| 18:06.19 | michaelh | so is 0x00ffffff the same as xx.xx.xx.* ? |
| 18:06.21 | Nidhoggr | can't decide on what kind. |
| 18:06.35 | learner | Nidhoggr: care to put that on the site? |
| 18:06.54 | Nidhoggr | which site? |
| 18:07.00 | learner | bzflag.org |
| 18:07.04 | Nidhoggr | feel free :) |
| 18:07.13 | Nidhoggr | not sure how I can put it on there. |
| 18:07.22 | Nidhoggr | add it as a news thingy? |
| 18:07.30 | learner | no.. screenshots :) |
| 18:07.37 | michaelh | were only allowed to post outdate news |
| 18:07.43 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 18:07.59 | learner | it's a screenshot in the truest sense |
| 18:08.03 | michaelh | has to be at least 2 months out of date |
| 18:09.03 | Nidhoggr | I will submit in email to that learner guy. :) |
| 18:10.12 | Nidhoggr | sent |
| 18:10.30 | learner | hmm? |
| 18:10.45 | learner | indeedy |
| 18:11.14 | learner | still a bit of work to do -- need to finish up/polish the existing docs |
| 18:11.18 | Nidhoggr | I didn't include a thumbnail.. I can't until I get home. |
| 18:11.51 | learner | then get the build rules into the build system so you can "make website" or something similar |
| 18:12.16 | learner | no, none of the "style" aspects have been dished out yet -- just organization and content |
| 18:13.28 | Grumbler | so the data has been organized in a predetermined fashion so as a webber could go in and develope the page on the fly? |
| 18:13.31 | learner | i'd be nice to survey all/most of the existing game sites (especially open source ones similar to bz) and get a feel for what works and what does not |
| 18:14.18 | learner | the data is organized by categories and relationships right now -- so any web organization can be overlayed on top, as can any style |
| 18:14.26 | Patlabor221 | there are other games? |
| 18:14.40 | bryjen | !lart Patlabor221 |
| 18:14.43 | Patlabor221 | besides cube, tux racer, and nettck |
| 18:14.49 | Patlabor221 | no really, I want to know |
| 18:15.09 | bryjen | ahem. Windows on PPC ? |
| 18:15.14 | learner | the latest slashdotting had a couple lists |
| 18:16.10 | Patlabor221 | I have a debian machine at home |
| 18:16.33 | Grumbler | and so it starts. |
| 18:16.40 | Grumbler | :) |
| 18:18.05 | Patlabor221 | I also have 2 windows machines, a windows laptop and an X-box |
| 18:18.38 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.04 | Grumbler | wouldnt that be /a laptop in an X box? ;) |
| 18:22.08 | michaelh | how do i get a dotted thingee from an in addr? |
| 18:22.24 | learner | mask the bits, add the dots |
| 18:22.30 | michaelh | its one of those getblahblahfromblah |
| 18:22.39 | michaelh | isnt it? |
| 18:22.50 | learner | i think there's a routine or two in bz that will do it for you |
| 18:23.46 | Chestal | inet_ntoa? |
| 18:24.25 | michaelh | inet_ntoa(addr) |
| 18:24.31 | michaelh | voila |
| 18:25.28 | michaelh | am i wrong or the masks backwards somehow? |
| 18:25.46 | michaelh | is that the big endian thingamabob? |
| 18:26.08 | learner | network byte order |
| 18:26.42 | michaelh | so the most significant byte is at the bottom and not at the top? |
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| 18:27.41 | michaelh | So it is 1234 instead of 4321 for the bytes ? |
| 18:28.17 | michaelh | 1 being least significant? |
| 18:28.18 | learner | network byte order is most significant byte first -- it doesn't mean that is the order that they are stored, but i wouldn't be surprised |
| 18:28.31 | Nidhoggr | I think we need a "don't allow autopilot" option on the server. |
| 18:29.09 | linuxclub | or remove the shooting possibility to it |
| 18:31.41 | Nidhoggr | hrm. larsl's patch was for old server. |
| 18:31.46 | Nidhoggr | found it on SF |
| 18:32.15 | Nidhoggr | I really need a multiple server/registration solution. |
| 18:32.47 | *** part/#bzflag linuxclub (~linuxclub@62-101-126-233.fastres.net) |
| 18:32.51 | Nidhoggr | it'd be cool if it'd query a specific mysql database. |
| 18:32.59 | Nidhoggr | or similar. |
| 18:33.35 | learner | that would be neat -- plugable storeage backends |
| 18:34.05 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:34.15 | Nidhoggr | I REALLY wish I could program. |
| 18:34.36 | learner | i REALLY wish you could too ;) |
| 18:35.08 | Nidhoggr | my skills revolve around administration. :) |
| 18:36.33 | learner | so maybe you can write up a quick 1-page guide on a new bzfs logging facility, in an apachesque fashion |
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| 18:39.35 | Nidhoggr | is there a new logging facility to write about? :) |
| 18:39.47 | learner | there will be soon enough |
| 18:40.03 | learner | so you can spec it, and I can implement it |
| 18:40.56 | Nidhoggr | it'd be nice to have it like our 1.7 stuff. you might want to get with vicious and see how he did his previously. |
| 18:41.32 | learner | there will be categories (and perhaps levels) of messages to get logged -- need a clean/simple way to specify the logs |
| 18:41.51 | learner | i've looked at the sf patch |
| 18:43.02 | learner | most of the things that patch does are going to be covered by a generic interface already -- but it also needs to be configurable (/me opinions) like the apache log setup. |
| 18:43.07 | learner | the needs are very similar |
| 18:43.31 | learner | and the useage is pretty well understood |
| 18:49.40 | Nidhoggr | definitely needs timestamping |
| 18:51.30 | Nidhoggr | there was a SF patch? |
| 18:51.46 | learner | yes |
| 18:52.48 | Nidhoggr | I don't think it was from vicious', because we didn |
| 18:52.54 | Nidhoggr | didn't release a patch for it. |
| 18:53.20 | Nidhoggr | we did hand out the bzfs.cxx code to a few people, but never did a patch. |
| 18:53.24 | learner | so... you can grab one of the example docs in doc/guide or doc/howto and write up a ServerLogging.xml doc :) |
| 18:56.29 | Nidhoggr | what's a good xml editor? |
| 18:56.35 | learner | emacs |
| 18:57.46 | learner | word perfect does pretty good, as do many of the adobe apps (framemaker+sgml, is king) |
| 18:59.26 | Nidhoggr | I'm not xml savvy, so It'll probably be vi and hack my way through it, unless something makes it idiot proof. :) |
| 18:59.45 | learner | that's almost as good :) |
| 19:00.07 | Nidhoggr | I am not a huge emacs fan, but at least I have the xwindows version. |
| 19:00.08 | learner | you can use most web browsers to do simple xml validation (mozilla is pretty good) |
| 19:00.11 | Nidhoggr | so it's not so cryptic. |
| 19:00.28 | Nidhoggr | lynx does not like xml. :( poopy lynx. |
| 19:00.31 | learner | but text is fine too |
| 19:00.58 | learner | see the NetworkProtocol.xml guide for an example of how to wrap a text document rather quickly |
| 19:01.08 | Nidhoggr | okie. |
| 19:01.23 | learner | it can get fully xmlified later |
| 19:08.25 | Nidhoggr | so I describe how logging will work, and you make it happen? :) |
| 19:08.39 | Nidhoggr | can't beat that. |
| 19:08.47 | learner | ;) |
| 19:08.53 | michaelh | when people kill each other giht? |
| 19:08.56 | michaelh | right? |
| 19:09.02 | michaelh | where they were etc ? |
| 19:09.18 | michaelh | sounded like an interesting idea |
| 19:09.34 | michaelh | could do that client side as well I think |
| 19:09.46 | Nidhoggr | our old logs reported joins/leaves/kills/conversations/flag pickup/flag drop, etc. |
| 19:10.03 | learner | the logging interface will get slapped into the client eventually too -- for logging the game as well |
| 19:10.06 | Nidhoggr | and all timestamped. |
| 19:10.13 | michaelh | so you havent yet mastered the art of printf huh |
| 19:10.35 | michaelh | :) |
| 19:10.53 | Nidhoggr | the most programming I can do is manipulating our perl parser for 1.7 logs. |
| 19:11.00 | michaelh | woohoo |
| 19:11.24 | Nidhoggr | I can do some perl.. and i can fix c that won't compile about 80 percent of the time. |
| 19:11.36 | Nidhoggr | but to actually write c, nope, nope, nope. |
| 19:14.28 | CIA-5 | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (TODO): http proxy support still needed |
| 19:17.13 | learner | oh.. THAT kind of http proxy support, tim |
| 19:17.27 | learner | good clarification |
| 19:18.20 | BZFlag | would be nice to have a list server interface in bzadmin too. ;-) |
| 19:18.46 | BZFlag | is the python client going to get updated for 1.10 ? |
| 19:20.40 | learner | not likely as scanline's academic venture seems to have come to an end |
| 19:21.04 | michaelh | I've updated the ban by num bits thing to appease the whiners |
| 19:21.32 | michaelh | so now there is no 0 anymore and you can ban with 6 bits if you like |
| 19:21.49 | Patlabor221 | they have mused over it |
| 19:21.50 | michaelh | although you may not be able to unban the 6 bit thing |
| 19:22.54 | michaelh | My laptops screen turns permenantly green -- this is not cool |
| 19:24.17 | michaelh | after it switches modes for zflag |
| 19:24.17 | michaelh | b |
| 19:42.05 | orchid | I am still unable to spawn in after 5-10 mins of play on my 1.10cvs server |
| 19:42.28 | orchid | also, server messages like lagstats and pvt and pub chat dosent show up for me |
| 19:42.40 | orchid | (after 5-10mins) |
| 19:45.58 | bryjen | what does bzfs -version give you? |
| 19:49.21 | orchid | bryjen: BZFlag server 1.10.3.20031229-MAINTENANCE-linux-gnu (protocol 1910) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 19:55.05 | learner | wasn't me |
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| 19:56.29 | Nidhoggr | what xml for a line break, but not a paragraph break? |
| 19:56.55 | learner | ? |
| 19:57.29 | Nidhoggr | I'm breaking up the log format item by item, each on a different line. |
| 19:57.38 | Nidhoggr | log format items... |
| 19:58.05 | Nidhoggr | like timestamp, originating player slot, originating player callsign, etc. |
| 19:58.17 | Nidhoggr | each on a line with a description. |
| 19:58.56 | Nidhoggr | but I don't want a blank line between them like you get with paragraphs. |
| 19:59.11 | Nidhoggr | like list items |
| 20:00.23 | learner | if you can find a document in the linuxdoc project that does what you're thinking, you can do what they do |
| 20:00.27 | learner | http://cvsview.tldp.org/index.cgi/LDP/ |
| 20:00.43 | learner | browse the real docs at tldp.org |
| 20:10.50 | bryjen | hmm. I havent seen the respawn bug recently. not getting messages sounds like a different, more serious communication issue tho |
| 20:10.52 | Nidhoggr | hrm. you can do <li>item</li> but it numbers the items. |
| 20:11.13 | learner | only when they are in an <orderedlist> |
| 20:11.25 | learner | there's an <unorderedlist> or something similar |
| 20:11.26 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: i think there's a tag for unnumbered lists |
| 20:11.40 | orchid | bryjen: i cant see anything in my log that looks weird, but i do miss all messages after a certian period of play, but only on my own server |
| 20:12.00 | orchid | bryjen: it must be my setup, as this only happens if i play on my own server |
| 20:12.10 | Nidhoggr | I'm sure there is... just gotta find it. :) |
| 20:12.59 | bryjen | orchid: running bzfs with a couple of -d -d might get some more info (helpful or not :) |
| 20:13.30 | orchid | bryjen: yeah, i will try that when the people leave and restart it |
| 20:13.49 | Nidhoggr | you can also do an strace on the process (if linux) |
| 20:13.54 | Nidhoggr | to see if it is hung. |
| 20:15.09 | orchid | Nidhoggr: the server itself remains playable for everyone else |
| 20:15.17 | Nidhoggr | hrm. just not you? |
| 20:15.24 | orchid | yep |
| 20:16.00 | bryjen | are you using the client from that same build ? |
| 20:16.09 | orchid | yes same build |
| 20:16.17 | Nidhoggr | strace might tell you a bit more, as well, still... if it is trying to communicate with your client. |
| 20:16.35 | Nidhoggr | I need to go grab lunch. |
| 20:16.36 | Nidhoggr | bbiab. |
| 20:17.07 | bryjen | Lunch? Ack. Its 14:00! |
| 20:23.10 | learner | Nidhoggr: screenshot posted ;) |
| 20:35.57 | Nidhoggr | thanks :) |
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| 20:48.43 | Grumbler | miniCooper miniCooper miniCooper |
| 20:49.17 | Grumbler | whoops, wrong windown |
| 20:49.21 | Grumbler | window |
| 20:49.30 | michaelh | pfffft |
| 20:49.37 | michaelh | pbbffttt |
| 20:51.09 | Grumbler | pbbbfftttt |
| 20:51.21 | michaelh | pfffffffffffffbbbbbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuuuuuuufffffttt |
| 20:51.48 | Grumbler | ppppppppfbbbbbbbbbuffffffffffffffff |
| 20:52.38 | *** mode/#bzflag [-v michaelh] by learner |
| 20:52.43 | learner | michaelv wins :) |
| 20:52.58 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v michaelh] by learner |
| 20:53.05 | learner | er, s/v/h/ |
| 20:53.56 | Grumbler | is that /bin/er, or /usr/bin/local/er, or /usr/local/osx/bin/er |
| 20:54.14 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.21 | Grumbler | obviously not /winxp/er |
| 20:54.58 | Grumbler | now what happens if i do this |
| 20:55.11 | david_v | hehe |
| 20:56.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [-v michaelh] by learner |
| 20:56.34 | learner | heh, backwards |
| 20:56.49 | michaelh | what the heck is mode v |
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| 20:56.52 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 20:57.00 | learner | voice |
| 20:57.22 | Patlabor221 | voice? |
| 20:57.24 | michaelh | so I can speak? |
| 20:57.27 | learner | yes |
| 20:57.29 | david_v | gives you the right to speak and kick non-voiced people :) |
| 20:57.54 | Patlabor221 | kick? |
| 20:57.56 | learner | no kicking rights.. just ability to speak :) |
| 20:58.17 | Patlabor221 | speak? |
| 20:58.32 | learner | Patlabor221? |
| 20:58.41 | Patlabor221 | pie? |
| 20:58.54 | learner | yes please |
| 20:59.01 | Patlabor221 | wiped cream? |
| 20:59.05 | learner | of course |
| 20:59.14 | learner | and a lil' bit of sugar |
| 20:59.18 | david_v | ah... i think on another server it gave kicking rights too |
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| 21:13.47 | shkoo | so the plan is to go with an xml log? |
| 21:16.28 | michaelh | what |
| 21:16.31 | michaelh | theres a plan? |
| 21:17.06 | bryjen | learner's trying to document stuff in xml |
| 21:17.19 | michaelh | can anyone read it with something? |
| 21:18.02 | scanline | learner: I'm still toying with the idea of PyBZFlag being updated, but right now I've been busy hacking on CIA |
| 21:26.40 | learner | "server error adding new player" .. server disconnects everyone -- nice |
| 21:26.47 | learner | hmm who? wha? |
| 21:27.00 | learner | xml log?? |
| 21:28.19 | learner | hadn't considered xml as a storage format, but now that you mention it... |
| 21:29.02 | learner | scanline: i figured eventually -- you or someone else will get to it eventually |
| 21:30.24 | Manu_1 | bye all! |
| 21:31.23 | *** part/#bzflag Manu_1 (~Manu_1@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:34.39 | bryjen | "Server error when adding player" at 2926 in src/bzflag/playing.cxx? |
| 21:35.07 | learner | that should've been a message from the server |
| 21:36.55 | bryjen | its right after a comment "// we're not in synch with server -> help!" |
| 21:37.59 | michaelh | thats something it printed out as an printf? |
| 21:38.55 | learner | it really smells like the invalid player id bug that suss pointed out, but supposedly a fix is in place for that and I was running the latest |
| 21:40.31 | learner | but an invalid id would have crashed the client there -- so it must be valid yet invalid |
| 21:41.16 | bryjen | the check in playing.cxx looks like the server's told you to add a new player with id X when a player id X already exists |
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| 21:53.05 | learner | so, scanline.. did you go with a supybot mod, or just patch n' hack? |
| 21:53.14 | scanline | learner: neither |
| 21:53.32 | scanline | nice clean redesigned architecture |
| 21:53.34 | learner | aww. I was root'n for supybot |
| 21:53.44 | scanline | supybot really wasn't what CIA needed at all |
| 21:54.10 | scanline | I wrote a layer on top of twisted's IRC client implementation that handles automatically allocating IRC bots across multiple servers |
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| 22:28.16 | michaelh | so not barrel of laughs huh |
| 22:28.51 | Death_Barrel | hey dude |
| 22:28.58 | michaelh | heh |
| 22:30.12 | michaelh | just got the spiffy server with the voodoo3 2000 up and running |
| 22:31.21 | Death_Barrel | spiffy server? |
| 22:31.23 | Death_Barrel | for bz? |
| 22:31.38 | michaelh | for the company, officially |
| 22:32.11 | michaelh | it's an regular open dsl line though, so it's not even being used for anything |
| 22:32.31 | michaelh | so theoretically speaking ........ |
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| 22:33.05 | Death_Barrel | say again |
| 22:33.13 | michaelh | barrel of laughs! |
| 22:33.19 | michaelh | it's an regular open dsl line though, so it's not even being used for anything |
| 22:33.21 | michaelh | so theoretically speaking ........ |
| 22:34.52 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): add some sanity checks and don't abort fatally if player mismatch occurs (since the message was probably delivered to everyone (everyone will exit)) |
| 22:38.23 | michaelh | sounds like the matrix |
| 22:40.11 | Nidhoggr | good job, learner. we've been waiting for that one to get fixed. |
| 22:40.47 | michaelh | so it just doesnt abort but theres still something wrong? |
| 22:41.05 | learner | that doesn't exactly "fix" the problem -- just says "let's assume someone is being malicious so let's see what else happens".. |
| 22:41.19 | Nidhoggr | aj |
| 22:41.19 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 22:41.54 | learner | I'm betting a cheat client sent back a valid player id, after they discovered it will abort the clients |
| 22:42.19 | learner | the server shouldn't re-relay valid ids that are already added either -- if that's not checked already |
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| 22:42.59 | Nidhoggr | hrm |
| 22:43.15 | learner | we could also just obey the server and destroy the record for that player slot, but I'm betting it's bogus |
| 22:43.28 | Nidhoggr | it's probably better |
| 22:50.14 | Death_Barrel | cu everyone |
| 22:57.19 | Nidhoggr | I made chicken kiev for dinner last night... it was SO yummy. |
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| 23:15.00 | michaelh | I can play nicely on the voodoo3 with all textures turned off, low detail |
| 23:15.25 | michaelh | looks wacked if textures off, detail isn't low :) |
| 23:29.30 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): tupone prevents my bzflag players eardrums from bursting |
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