| 00:00.18 | kroboto | any spaces in there? |
| 00:00.31 | learner | between the width and the height yes :) |
| 00:03.55 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): listen very briefly for a reponse from the list server. this will solve problems for intermediate proxy servers that terminate the relay if the socket is closed too quickly. better solution entails breaking the network chatter out asynchronously via threads or other means.. |
| 00:04.27 | Chestal | hmm, you do a blocking wait now? |
| 00:04.31 | Chestal | for how long? |
| 00:07.30 | kroboto | learner: is this right? P61024 768255 it is 1024x768 resolution according to bzflag |
| 00:07.30 | learner | not blocking |
| 00:07.50 | learner | yes, assuming on three separate lines, kroboto |
| 00:08.01 | kroboto | oh |
| 00:08.35 | scanline | learner: doesn't have to be on separate lines, there just has to be any witespace between P6, 1024, 768, and 255 |
| 00:08.40 | scanline | er, whitespace |
| 00:08.57 | learner | "supposed to be" on three separate lines |
| 00:09.05 | kroboto | you forgot to tell me to stand on my head when i open it! |
| 00:09.10 | scanline | IIRC the spec just says they have to be separated by whitespace |
| 00:09.16 | learner | the guy who came up with the format said that any reader should be as forgiving as possible |
| 00:09.52 | captain_proton | there are instructions in the source with a netpbm command line for converting to png, iirc |
| 00:10.17 | learner | things may have been "changed" for the more general PNM tools that came later |
| 00:10.27 | scanline | http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc//ppm.html |
| 00:10.32 | scanline | yep, just says 'whitespace' |
| 00:10.48 | captain_proton | rawtoppm -rgb width height bzfi0000.raw | pnmflip -tb | pnmtopng -compression 9 > test.png |
| 00:10.49 | learner | that's newer stuff than the original author |
| 00:11.21 | learner | pnmtools and netpbm were written up considerably later |
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| 00:11.35 | scanline | learner: it does say "Programs that read this format should be as lenient as possible, accepting anything that looks remotely like a pixmap" later on, but I don't see anything suggesting that a \n is any better than arbitrary whitespace |
| 00:12.08 | learner | it says that now... you're not getting my point :) |
| 00:12.30 | scanline | but i've read some pretty old docs on the same formats and never seen that either :) |
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| 00:13.08 | learner | just about all the tools write it out in three lines anyways ;) |
| 00:13.50 | captain_proton | what a fantastically useful conversation :) |
| 00:13.55 | scanline | yep |
| 00:17.02 | learner | indeed, i often forget how idealistic some can be :) [snickering] |
| 00:42.57 | scanline | hmm.. why isn't CIA coming back? |
| 00:43.30 | scanline | hrm |
| 00:43.38 | scanline | somehow it allocated more than 20 channels to CIA-6 |
| 00:44.53 | captain_proton | BUG! |
| 00:45.07 | scanline | sadly, looks like it :P |
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| 01:01.01 | KR | ho ho ho |
| 01:02.13 | learner | meewwwy cwissmasss |
| 01:04.22 | KR | same to you, wabbit... :) |
| 01:20.05 | bryjen | is playing with a known broken client (10.0 and its GM issue) cheating? |
| 01:20.20 | bryjen | opinions? |
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| 01:25.11 | captain_proton | well its only been a day since release... |
| 01:25.17 | captain_proton | i'd encourage them to upgrade |
| 01:30.21 | bryjen | that what i was thinking. |
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| 01:31.09 | bryjen | there were a couple of vocal objectors calling for a kick |
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| 01:34.23 | fhffhqvb | bzflag.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: void __thiscall ActionBinding::resetBindings(void)" (?resetBindings@ActionBinding@@QAEXXZ) |
| 01:34.31 | fhffhqvb | i get about 8 of these with the latest cvs |
| 01:35.36 | bryjen | have you tried just the .2 release? its not that old yet. |
| 01:36.02 | fhffhqvb | no, this is the latest from cvs. |
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| 01:36.39 | bryjen | Windows? |
| 01:36.45 | fhffhqvb | yes, vc6 |
| 01:37.01 | bryjen | ~seen Sasami |
| 01:37.05 | | sasami is currently on #bzflag (43m 56s) |
| 01:37.23 | DTRemenak | fhffhqvb: you need to add actionbinding.cxx and .h to the DSP file |
| 01:37.32 | fhffhqvb | DTRemenak:meh? |
| 01:37.40 | DTRemenak | using VC? |
| 01:37.50 | fhffhqvb | DSP file? |
| 01:37.56 | DTRemenak | project |
| 01:38.02 | fhffhqvb | ... |
| 01:38.23 | DTRemenak | under the BZFlag target, open "Source Files", right click on it and hit "Add files to folder" |
| 01:38.36 | DTRemenak | Add src\bzflag\ActionBinding.cxx |
| 01:38.48 | DTRemenak | then do the same for ActionBinding.h in the "Header Files" folder |
| 01:39.33 | fhffhqvb | bzflag target?? |
| 01:40.18 | DTRemenak | in "file views", under "workspace bzflag", should be "bzflag files" |
| 01:40.25 | DTRemenak | that's the target for building BZFlag |
| 01:41.25 | fhffhqvb | snort. |
| 01:42.19 | fhffhqvb | ah crap. the display buggering is still there. |
| 01:42.43 | DTRemenak | the bug on alt-tab? |
| 01:42.49 | fhffhqvb | yeah |
| 01:42.57 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'm working on that one. |
| 01:43.11 | DTRemenak | I have no idea why it does it. |
| 01:43.25 | fhffhqvb | there was this annoying bastard on xmission earlier, Uncle Buck. |
| 01:43.47 | fhffhqvb | he was using the first release, which appearently has a bug where playerID 0 ignores GM locks. |
| 01:44.02 | fhffhqvb | he *knew* about this and still wouldn't leave and get a more recent client. |
| 01:44.06 | fhffhqvb | do we call this a cheater? |
| 01:44.50 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:44.53 | fhffhqvb | vocal what? |
| 01:45.07 | bryjen | ~dict objector |
| 01:45.27 | bryjen | well, maybe not exactly |
| 01:45.40 | DTRemenak | fhffhqvb: if you're really irritated about the alt-tab bug there is one quick & dirty way to fix it, since you're compiling yourself. |
| 01:45.44 | fhffhqvb | he was also msg'ing me with crap like "NICE SPAWN". wtf does that mean? |
| 01:45.58 | fhffhqvb | DTRemenak: how? |
| 01:46.15 | fhffhqvb | the client doesn't have a choice of spawns anymore, does it? |
| 01:46.16 | DTRemenak | find BackgroundRenderer::initDisplayLists, at the bottom of BackgroundRenderer.cxx |
| 01:46.29 | DTRemenak | there's one line in that function. |
| 01:46.32 | fhffhqvb | isn't that just the mountains? |
| 01:46.36 | DTRemenak | copy it and paste it right below itself. |
| 01:46.49 | DTRemenak | no, it does stars, clouds, mountains, and ground |
| 01:46.55 | fhffhqvb | k |
| 01:46.55 | bryjen | i believe the spawn points went back to being completely random when that logic was moved to the server. Not as nice as they were before, but at least they're consisently not nice to everyone :) |
| 01:47.01 | DTRemenak | compile, and watch as the ground does not screw itself up. |
| 01:48.03 | fhffhqvb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.02 | fhffhqvb | xmission's going a bit wonky |
| 01:51.10 | fhffhqvb | a lot of people went [nr] and logged off |
| 01:52.46 | DTRemenak | fhffhqvb: is the ground working for you? |
| 01:53.00 | bryjen | yeah, flag captures seemed to have delayed effect and send the victim team NR before they were killed and reset to base |
| 01:53.11 | fhffhqvb | seems to be... does it slow down the client a bit? |
| 01:53.19 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 01:53.28 | fhffhqvb | i noticed that |
| 01:53.38 | DTRemenak | and to be honest, I don't know why it fixes the problem. |
| 01:53.52 | fhffhqvb | gremlins? |
| 01:53.58 | DTRemenak | lol, maybe :S |
| 01:54.08 | fhffhqvb | or maybe bunnies |
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| 01:55.45 | DTRemenak | mm, dinnertime :) |
| 01:59.07 | Sasami | yes bryjen? |
| 01:59.22 | Sasami | sorry I seemd to have nodded off |
| 01:59.50 | fhffhqvb | Sasami: are gigabyte good mobo's? |
| 01:59.59 | Sasami | I have seen good |
| 02:00.02 | Sasami | and I have seen bad |
| 02:00.14 | Sasami | they usualy don't go to far out from the ref boards |
| 02:00.21 | fhffhqvb | it's a GA-686BX (slot1 p2) |
| 02:00.39 | Sasami | can't say I've ever used a slot1 one |
| 02:00.47 | fhffhqvb | i can get a bunch of miditowers with them for 35 euro each |
| 02:00.51 | Sasami | just some socket A and socket 370 ones |
| 02:01.03 | learner | http://www.woodpeckerfilm.fi/rare/video/rare_exports_large.mov |
| 02:01.08 | Sasami | they seem very similar to ECS in design and construction |
| 02:01.38 | fhffhqvb | Miditower atx p2-266 met 32 mb mem 2,5 GB hdd 1,44 fdd, pci video. |
| 02:01.41 | Sasami | bryjen: I have not tried .2 on windows, MAC made the build |
| 02:01.59 | Sasami | for $35 that's cheap |
| 02:02.08 | fhffhqvb | i'm getting 3 |
| 02:02.15 | fhffhqvb | time to replace those p166's |
| 02:02.39 | Sasami | is there a problem with the windows build? |
| 02:02.47 | Sasami | I tested it on debian and it seemed ok |
| 02:03.12 | fhffhqvb | yeah it's missing a thing in the dsp file |
| 02:03.24 | Sasami | for what VC build? |
| 02:03.27 | fhffhqvb | vc6 |
| 02:03.34 | Sasami | normal or SDK? |
| 02:03.40 | fhffhqvb | Actionbinding.cxx |
| 02:03.42 | fhffhqvb | normal |
| 02:03.57 | Sasami | so it's in the source.zip? |
| 02:04.00 | Sasami | not the installer |
| 02:04.04 | fhffhqvb | yeah source |
| 02:04.09 | fhffhqvb | latest cvs |
| 02:04.19 | Sasami | did somone update VC7? |
| 02:04.26 | Sasami | and what DSP? |
| 02:04.27 | fhffhqvb | *shrug* |
| 02:04.30 | Sasami | bzflag? |
| 02:05.00 | Sasami | well so much for the concept of pre release testing |
| 02:05.09 | Sasami | guess even that is lost |
| 02:05.13 | captain_proton | yup |
| 02:05.29 | Sasami | seems like it's all geting worse not better |
| 02:05.41 | captain_proton | the only good thing is that the releases are flowing |
| 02:05.43 | Sasami | is this the desired goal? to keep posting builds with problems? |
| 02:05.52 | Sasami | crap flows as well as wine |
| 02:06.06 | captain_proton | yeah, but its better to have crap flowing than not at all ;) |
| 02:06.14 | Sasami | I dono |
| 02:06.33 | Sasami | given the choice of older wine, or new crap, I would probably not choose crap |
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| 02:06.46 | fhffhqvb | i hate my isp so much. |
| 02:07.32 | learner | it's not that bad |
| 02:07.47 | Sasami | and you can keep the releases flowing, AND still put some testing in them |
| 02:07.53 | fhffhqvb | i've been getting disconnected every 60 mins for the last 5 days now. |
| 02:07.56 | Sasami | I mean like at least 10-15 min |
| 02:08.33 | learner | there were tested, and stuff was missed, not a big deal though |
| 02:08.35 | Sasami | well all but the most downloaded one, cus someone is just WAY to jumpy |
| 02:08.52 | learner | it's still better |
| 02:09.26 | Sasami | to some |
| 02:09.31 | Sasami | yes more release are better |
| 02:09.42 | Sasami | I personaly would like to see some quality, but hey thats just me |
| 02:10.05 | fhffhqvb | is the spawn bug fixed? |
| 02:10.16 | captain_proton | well - so long as some bugs get fixed each time, i'm ok with it |
| 02:10.25 | Sasami | I know you are cap |
| 02:10.29 | Sasami | I know all of you are |
| 02:10.29 | learner | i'd love to see a full regression test suite that has near complete code coverage too, with nightly builds that e-mail out when something doesn't work on another platform |
| 02:10.55 | Sasami | I'd love to just see somone say "hey test the builds, we are gonna release tomorow" and have people acuualy do it for the majors |
| 02:11.30 | learner | patch releases aren't supposed to be that much/any effort |
| 02:11.42 | Sasami | sure they arn't |
| 02:11.44 | learner | for a minor or major, sure |
| 02:11.48 | Sasami | but nothing is ever perfect |
| 02:11.53 | learner | exactly |
| 02:12.07 | Sasami | I still think posting these as betas on SF first is a smarter way to go about it |
| 02:12.16 | Sasami | as you have shown that's how to get people to DL it |
| 02:12.25 | Sasami | but I'm not in charge, just stating opinions. |
| 02:12.53 | fhffhqvb | i suggest calling it "happy new super beta", more people will download that. |
| 02:13.14 | Sasami | if you state that it fixes stuff |
| 02:13.16 | Sasami | they will get it |
| 02:13.19 | Sasami | and if it's beta |
| 02:13.25 | Sasami | then they will understand when it's not perfect |
| 02:13.30 | fhffhqvb | "now with extra riboflavin!" |
| 02:16.06 | Sasami | I don't think the spawn postitions can be "fixed" untill the server tracks shots. |
| 02:16.27 | learner | for me, posting betas for patch releases is too much work. it takes time to put the releases together, and there's not enough changes in a patch release to really justify that time. for a minor release, I can see it, but patches should flow with relative impunity, imo. |
| 02:16.58 | Sasami | then the small time shall you forever be |
| 02:17.10 | learner | there's also not enough people involved developer/testing wise, so it's tested to the tolerance of those working on it |
| 02:17.12 | Sasami | but maybe it's difrent with this patch based dev |
| 02:17.13 | Sasami | I dono |
| 02:17.19 | Sasami | then get more |
| 02:17.21 | Sasami | search |
| 02:17.28 | Sasami | you got a masive exposure bump |
| 02:17.30 | Sasami | use it |
| 02:18.23 | learner | keeping the project active and releases flowing is a good way to "get more" |
| 02:18.40 | fhffhqvb | mkaaay... mozilla just crashed and it opened up VC6 |
| 02:18.40 | Sasami | yes, it is part of it |
| 02:18.52 | Sasami | fhffhqvb: you told it to debug |
| 02:18.54 | Sasami | so it did |
| 02:19.03 | fhffhqvb | no, it just launched |
| 02:19.13 | Sasami | they may have a debug hook in there then |
| 02:19.24 | fhffhqvb | must be. |
| 02:20.20 | fhffhqvb | meh. it did it again. |
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| 02:21.52 | fhffhqvb | paper jaaaaaaaam |
| 02:22.41 | fhffhqvb | duplex jam? |
| 02:22.43 | fhffhqvb | :-P |
| 02:22.43 | Sasami | thank you for telling us |
| 02:25.52 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (bzflag.vcproj): A new file, who knew? Comuniction is a wonderfull thing. |
| 02:26.25 | DTRemenak | ~dict comuniction |
| 02:26.46 | fiberchunks | communist diction ;) |
| 02:27.04 | DTRemenak | I was thinking something along those lines :) |
| 02:27.14 | CIA-1 | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (bzflag.dsp): add in actionbinding.cxx |
| 02:27.48 | Sasami | I can just go roll those commits back if ya all want |
| 02:28.16 | DTRemenak | somehow, I think they're a good thing. |
| 02:29.20 | DTRemenak | as long as there aren't any commies running around ;) (not that that's entirely a bad thing either...) |
| 02:36.35 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (AccessControlList.h): odd no other compiler complained about using an operator that was not really defined |
| 02:38.39 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): check for c++ compatibility headers and atexit |
| 02:42.07 | Sasami | is there any linux based develiper that could help me and fiber figure out a problem in another project? |
| 02:47.21 | bryjen | Sasami: just looking for a windows dev to help sussudio. DTR took care of it. |
| 02:47.40 | Sasami | he didn't comit the change tho |
| 02:47.55 | DTRemenak | what did I do? |
| 02:48.14 | Sasami | aperatly helped sussudio add the right file |
| 02:48.19 | Sasami | I commited the fixes |
| 02:48.19 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 02:48.22 | bryjen | sheesh 30 mintue lag times in that conversation :) |
| 02:48.23 | DTRemenak | good |
| 02:49.01 | fhffhqvb | perspirant? |
| 02:49.02 | DTRemenak | I did not commit because I don't have dev cvs access :) |
| 02:49.02 | bryjen | kill -9 Sasami |
| 02:49.09 | bryjen | yup. youre still here |
| 02:49.11 | bryjen | :) |
| 02:49.38 | fhffhqvb | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/Sasami |
| 02:49.51 | Sasami | I'm not a device |
| 02:49.59 | DTRemenak | you are now :) |
| 02:53.15 | bryjen | xmission must need a swift kick in the disks |
| 02:53.33 | fhffhqvb | bryjen: hardware buggered? |
| 02:53.34 | bryjen | or a server reset |
| 02:53.44 | bryjen | no, just odd behavior |
| 02:53.54 | fhffhqvb | like everyone going [nr]? |
| 02:54.11 | bryjen | yeah. seems to happen alot when their flag is captured. |
| 02:54.19 | fhffhqvb | yup |
| 02:54.51 | bryjen | ~xmission |
| 02:55.08 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 02:55.25 | bryjen | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5154 |
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| 03:23.03 | learner | bzfs now built for n32 |
| 03:23.09 | captain_proton | yay |
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| 03:24.12 | Noodleman | learner: it took all day? |
| 03:26.15 | learner | on and off, yes. I've had to fix a handful of things, and I'm watching tv too |
| 03:26.37 | learner | eep, more errors |
| 03:26.55 | learner | and warnings |
| 03:27.54 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): A type qualifier on an int return type is meaningless. |
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| 04:06.32 | Sasami | anyone got any idea why a set or a map would geek during a compile in gcc? |
| 04:08.37 | captain_proton | geek how? |
| 04:09.04 | Sasami | /usr/include/pthread.h:651: error: type specifier omitted for parameter ` |
| 04:09.04 | Sasami | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.20 | Sasami | and that all comes from including <map> |
| 04:09.35 | captain_proton | whats your command line look like? |
| 04:09.47 | Sasami | tho by way of c++io.h |
| 04:09.55 | Sasami | that is a good questoion |
| 04:09.59 | Sasami | let me look at the make |
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| 04:10.55 | Sasami | off, I wish I knew how to read makefiles |
| 04:11.57 | captain_proton | are you using gcc or g++ to compile? |
| 04:12.01 | Sasami | ok I don't know what the command line is, cus I can't read this thing, I don't know what I am using |
| 04:12.32 | Sasami | would it say that in the make? |
| 04:12.45 | captain_proton | could probably figure it out from the makefile |
| 04:12.55 | Sasami | it's in asgard cvs |
| 04:12.59 | bryjen | does it not echo the gcc commands while its building after youve typed make? |
| 04:13.00 | Sasami | the nivie project |
| 04:13.10 | Sasami | no it dosn't seem too |
| 04:13.18 | captain_proton | Sasami: i don't want to track it down, just send me the file =/ |
| 04:13.26 | Sasami | k |
| 04:13.36 | Sasami | let me figure out how and what file |
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| 04:13.42 | Sasami | I'm guessing it's makebase |
| 04:13.55 | captain_proton | ...Makefile? |
| 04:14.19 | captain_proton | you're firewalled aren't you? |
| 04:14.19 | Sasami | makebase has the most text in it |
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| 04:15.30 | Sasami | hmm dcc nfg |
| 04:15.44 | captain_proton | you're firewalled aren't you? |
| 04:16.04 | Sasami | ya |
| 04:16.06 | Sasami | :( |
| 04:16.08 | Sasami | http://ryoko.bakadigital.com/temp/niviemakes/ |
| 04:16.16 | Sasami | thos are the 2 root make files |
| 04:16.34 | Sasami | the makefiles in the sub folder just seem to list the files |
| 04:17.13 | Sasami | dcc go over the same port as IRC? or another port |
| 04:17.14 | Sasami | ? |
| 04:17.45 | captain_proton | another port |
| 04:18.57 | Sasami | I can paste the entire error, but it's about 10 lines |
| 04:19.08 | captain_proton | looks like its using g++... |
| 04:20.11 | Sasami | ahh I see CPP = g++ |
| 04:21.18 | scanline | CPP is the C preprocessor, not C++ |
| 04:21.58 | captain_proton | scanline: he's talking about a variable in a makefile |
| 04:22.07 | captain_proton | and cpp is the preprocessor, not CPP |
| 04:22.20 | scanline | right.. and isn't the CPP variable in the makefile usually also used for the preprocessor? |
| 04:22.42 | scanline | and CXX used for the C++ compiler? |
| 04:22.53 | captain_proton | scanline: *shrug* |
| 04:23.03 | captain_proton | not in this case |
| 04:23.11 | scanline | odd |
| 04:23.20 | Sasami | I do see how scons rocks now, at least I could read that thing |
| 04:25.33 | fhffhqvb | ok now cluis is pulling the dcc crap. |
| 04:25.44 | Sasami | oh video card wise, it's come down to a PCI GF4MX or an AGP GF2 Ultra |
| 04:26.16 | Sasami | sadly the FX 5200 has been taged for another system :( |
| 04:26.42 | captain_proton | gf2 sounds good :) |
| 04:26.48 | Sasami | ok |
| 04:27.22 | Sasami | shit nether of these 2 do |
| 04:28.04 | Sasami | the PCI 4MX does |
| 04:28.15 | Sasami | I may be able to swap |
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| 04:32.25 | prgmrchris | timothy !! |
| 04:32.47 | fhffhqvb | prgmrchris: xanax? |
| 04:32.51 | prgmrchris | nah |
| 04:32.53 | prgmrchris | i dunno what that is |
| 04:33.05 | fhffhqvb | they're the candy you take every morning |
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| 04:33.09 | prgmrchris | ohh |
| 04:33.12 | prgmrchris | the pill |
| 04:33.14 | prgmrchris | lol |
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| 04:33.52 | prgmrchris | timothy !! |
| 04:33.56 | Sasami | I shold just buck up and get the FX 5900 |
| 04:35.09 | |tim| | hiya dustin___ |
| 04:35.11 | dustin___ | Sasami, yeah, buck up nigga |
| 04:35.13 | dustin___ | don't get shanked |
| 04:35.14 | prgmrchris | AHA |
| 04:35.18 | prgmrchris | timothy ! |
| 04:35.21 | prgmrchris | he lives |
| 04:35.31 | prgmrchris | kilerrrboots |
| 04:35.50 | prgmrchris | werd :P |
| 04:36.05 | |tim| | how do you know my old handle? |
| 04:36.10 | Sasami | by a video card? |
| 04:36.13 | prgmrchris | i ran duffs network |
| 04:36.16 | dustin___ | buy* |
| 04:36.21 | |tim| | oh |
| 04:36.24 | |tim| | hey whats up |
| 04:36.38 | dustin___ | prgmrchris, check your spoiled messages |
| 04:36.47 | prgmrchris | k |
| 04:36.52 | prgmrchris | |tim|: whats new |
| 04:37.01 | |tim| | bzflag :) |
| 04:37.31 | prgmrchris | ever played cube? |
| 04:37.35 | |tim| | nope |
| 04:37.40 | |tim| | never heard of it |
| 04:37.46 | prgmrchris | play it |
| 04:37.47 | prgmrchris | it owns |
| 04:37.51 | Sasami | it's a fps |
| 04:37.55 | prgmrchris | yeah |
| 04:37.59 | prgmrchris | its fun |
| 04:38.03 | prgmrchris | so is bzflag though |
| 04:38.03 | |tim| | is it free? |
| 04:38.07 | Sasami | yes |
| 04:38.07 | prgmrchris | i cant lie |
| 04:38.08 | prgmrchris | yeah its free |
| 04:38.12 | |tim| | where do i get it? |
| 04:38.17 | Sasami | it's intersting |
| 04:38.22 | prgmrchris | google it |
| 04:38.22 | Sasami | lots of recycled art |
| 04:38.24 | Sasami | but dence |
| 04:38.28 | Sasami | decent |
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| 04:38.34 | prgmrchris | PWNED |
| 04:38.42 | DTRemenak | http://www.sf.net/projects/cube |
| 04:38.47 | prgmrchris | its a cooliooo |
| 04:38.49 | Sasami | it's not really open source tho |
| 04:38.49 | coolmodee | its me |
| 04:38.50 | prgmrchris | cooliowho |
| 04:38.51 | DTRemenak | it's sourceforge, don't need to google :) |
| 04:39.17 | DTRemenak | define "really open source" |
| 04:39.35 | Sasami | the source he has released, won't build a compatable app |
| 04:39.42 | Sasami | at least not with the binarys he releases |
| 04:39.48 | DTRemenak | ah, that's right |
| 04:39.50 | Sasami | his bins are built with a key |
| 04:39.55 | prgmrchris | its still a good game |
| 04:39.56 | Sasami | so he is open in spirit |
| 04:39.57 | DTRemenak | anti-cheat thing IIRC |
| 04:40.03 | Sasami | it's part of it |
| 04:40.15 | Sasami | it's not much of a game as it is a platform for maps and shooting |
| 04:40.33 | Sasami | the weps are not really that interesting |
| 04:40.46 | Sasami | its fun punk bitch smackin tho |
| 04:40.55 | DTRemenak | the map editor IS interesting |
| 04:40.55 | Sasami | just not anything revolutionary |
| 04:40.58 | Sasami | yes it is |
| 04:41.04 | |tim| | I can't find it |
| 04:41.06 | Sasami | the world dev is VERY intersing |
| 04:41.12 | Sasami | def not dev |
| 04:41.23 | creeperz | what map editor? |
| 04:41.24 | Sasami | it's networking is slick too, it uses enet |
| 04:41.34 | Sasami | the editor is built into the game |
| 04:41.37 | prgmrchris | oh man look what i started |
| 04:41.55 | dustin___ | this game looks interesting |
| 04:42.16 | |tim| | which? |
| 04:42.35 | dustin___ | cub |
| 04:42.37 | dustin___ | cube* |
| 04:42.51 | Sasami | it's a very difrent play from BZ |
| 04:42.56 | Sasami | a lot faster |
| 04:42.58 | dustin___ | of course |
| 04:43.01 | DTRemenak | yes indeed... |
| 04:43.03 | Sasami | and the blood |
| 04:43.04 | dustin___ | bzFlag seems very boring |
| 04:43.12 | dustin___ | anyone played Legends? |
| 04:43.36 | DTRemenak | dustin___: this may be the wrong place to say something like "bzFlag seems very boring" |
| 04:43.42 | DTRemenak | ;) |
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| 04:44.00 | dustin___ | and as long as I only risk being kicked from this channel |
| 04:44.03 | dustin___ | I really could care less |
| 04:44.20 | dustin___ | besides, I have my own opinions |
| 04:44.28 | dustin___ | and one of them is, bzflag sucks |
| 04:44.41 | Sasami | then why are you here? |
| 04:44.50 | bryjen | ~ibot feed the troll |
| 04:44.53 | dustin___ | I know |tim| |
| 04:44.59 | prgmrChris | back |
| 04:44.59 | dustin___ | and prgmrChris |
| 04:45.03 | Sasami | ok |
| 04:45.05 | creeperz | ibot hates you |
| 04:45.08 | | i haven't a clue, creeperz |
| 04:45.10 | Sasami | still dosn't splain why |
| 04:45.24 | bryjen | ibot: botsnack |
| 04:45.24 | | bryjen: aw, gee |
| 04:45.28 | dustin___ | figured I'd devote a few cpu cycles to irssi |
| 04:45.30 | bryjen | she's just fickle |
| 04:46.16 | Sasami | well cube is booring after about 15 min, when you find all the limits of having few weps. |
| 04:46.35 | Sasami | I find it interesting for it's tech |
| 04:46.55 | sn0w_kitty | ibot: botsnack candycane |
| 04:46.55 | | :), sn0w_kitty |
| 04:46.58 | prgmrChris | ibot ~help |
| 04:46.59 | | prgmrChris: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:47.00 | Sasami | so far no FPS has compared to UT and Halo |
| 04:47.00 | sn0w_kitty | :) |
| 04:47.01 | prgmrChris | hrmphz |
| 04:47.02 | |tim| | cuve looks ugly |
| 04:47.04 | |tim| | cube* |
| 04:47.08 | prgmrChris | ibot ~poke |
| 04:47.09 | | prgmrChris: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:47.20 | Sasami | don't taunt the bot |
| 04:47.25 | prgmrChris | lol :P |
| 04:47.26 | prgmrChris | ok |
| 04:47.35 | Sasami | she's moody |
| 04:47.49 | prgmrChris | lmao |
| 04:47.53 | dustin___ | brb |
| 04:58.47 | dustin___ | cube isn't so bad |
| 04:58.58 | dustin___ | well, I'm out |
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| 05:10.27 | KnottyMan | 1.10 bzc question - I'm trying to bind "alt + f2" to /lagstats and it's not working. What is the right syntax for this? |
| 05:10.43 | |tim| | \ |
| 05:11.15 | KnottyMan | they reversed the commands? |
| 05:13.12 | |tim| | urgh bz won't stop freezing |
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| 05:16.22 | creeperz | what exactly are the bzflag bullets composed of? |
| 05:19.16 | Sasami | pixels |
| 05:19.19 | Sasami | just like everything else |
| 05:19.48 | learner | and little bits of pixie dust and cheeze-whiz |
| 05:22.47 | Sasami | hmmm I'm beting something is bad on ryoko, the same code crashes there but dosn't die on mihoshi, same OS, same system time |
| 05:23.41 | Sasami | really wish I could get the server and list server and SGM to build on *nix |
| 05:23.53 | Sasami | has anyone seen trepan? |
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| 05:25.31 | fhffhqvb | ~seen trepan |
| 05:25.32 | | trepan <~trepan@CPE0040f42db082-CM00e06f15f704.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #project24, 8d 23h 14m 39s ago, saying: 'cool, seeyaz'. |
| 05:26.03 | Sasami | he musta gone on vacation |
| 05:35.41 | MrApathyCream | sasami post news to bzbb? |
| 05:37.54 | Sasami | huh? |
| 05:38.04 | MrApathyCream | 1.10.2 release to bzbb? |
| 05:38.27 | Sasami | what ever you want |
| 05:40.14 | MrApathyCream | i take it you didn;t then |
| 05:40.39 | Sasami | was I suposed to? |
| 05:40.45 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:40.55 | MrApathyCream | just wonderin |
| 05:41.26 | MrApathyCream | havin' a bad day, buddy? |
| 05:41.52 | Sasami | ? |
| 05:41.57 | Sasami | it's been ok |
| 05:42.11 | Pimpinella | hi |
| 05:42.14 | MrApathyCream | GOOD |
| 05:43.18 | MrApathyCream | Well the first pass of the detailed design spec for 1.12 is almost done. Hopefully you guys will have time to review it, and make modifications |
| 05:43.40 | learner | design spec? wo hoo cool |
| 05:47.33 | MrApathyCream | it's in DOORS, so hopefully that will usuable by all |
| 05:51.47 | captain_proton | DOORS? |
| 05:57.38 | MrApathyCream | www.telelogic.com |
| 06:00.37 | captain_proton | nice to know you're making use of free, open tools that are available to all =P |
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| 06:05.06 | learner | g'morning tupone .. early! |
| 06:05.24 | Tupone | yeah, lesson today! |
| 06:06.04 | Tupone | g'morning to the GoT |
| 06:07.02 | learner | heh |
| 06:09.32 | Tupone | IC the waiting thing. Is that a busy loop? |
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| 06:50.45 | MrApathyCream | hey heinz |
| 06:52.22 | HEINOLA | hello |
| 06:52.56 | HEINOLA | just reading up on slack before i make my change to it :) |
| 07:04.19 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: i believe it's avaialbe to all |
| 07:04.30 | MrApathyCream | they don't discriminate |
| 07:04.35 | MrApathyCream | afaik |
| 07:04.50 | MrApathyCream | learner: you round? |
| 07:05.24 | HEINOLA | he was in the game i was just in a bit ago |
| 07:05.25 | learner | around the belly, yea a lil |
| 07:06.59 | MrApathyCream | so... |
| 07:07.11 | learner | ...so |
| 07:07.16 | MrApathyCream | other than karma (which is a given).... |
| 07:07.22 | MrApathyCream | what do you want 1.12 to be? |
| 07:07.27 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:08.34 | learner | feature-wise or code-wise? |
| 07:08.56 | MrApathyCream | well... |
| 07:09.00 | MrApathyCream | either i guess |
| 07:09.08 | learner | most of my main goals are code-wise so I can get started on bzbots eventually (hopefully for 1.12, but maybe 1.14) |
| 07:09.25 | MrApathyCream | so refactoring stuff? |
| 07:09.29 | learner | lots |
| 07:09.30 | MrApathyCream | game lib? |
| 07:09.31 | MrApathyCream | etc? |
| 07:09.33 | learner | yea |
| 07:09.36 | HEINOLA | just make them clones of me |
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| 07:10.09 | learner | also, want to get the documentation/website stuff building |
| 07:10.14 | MrApathyCream | ok, i'll buy thgat |
| 07:10.41 | MrApathyCream | Remember we've got till 6/19 |
| 07:10.43 | learner | great, 'cause I'm willing to sell it too :) |
| 07:11.10 | MrApathyCream | we should write up a karma spec |
| 07:11.52 | MrApathyCream | since tim was big enough to do 1.10 w/o it |
| 07:12.03 | learner | yea, it would behoove us |
| 07:12.15 | MrApathyCream | is there a site that documents other's works in this area? |
| 07:12.32 | learner | he has a "spec", but i think there is a ton more thought that needs to go in to it |
| 07:13.10 | learner | not much, probably could dig up a few papers |
| 07:16.09 | learner | feature-wise, i've got some thoughts/plans for a general command, flag, and option interface. |
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| 07:16.44 | learner | add a few commands, flags, and options in the process |
| 07:17.26 | learner | Mmmmm.. |
| 07:17.30 | MrApathyCream | snapple's that is |
| 07:17.36 | learner | heh |
| 07:17.56 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: really livin' on the edge i see :) |
| 07:18.03 | MrApathyCream | yuppers |
| 07:18.19 | learner | it'd be rather nice to be able to have better flag description/management abilities -- so you could configure/combine flags |
| 07:18.20 | MrApathyCream | shame there's no karma.org |
| 07:18.41 | MrApathyCream | getFlag() -> hasFlagCapability() |
| 07:19.17 | learner | heh, I mean flags that register their own help, provide ability to be configured dynamically, etc |
| 07:19.44 | MrApathyCream | dynamially by whom? |
| 07:19.54 | learner | by server |
| 07:20.09 | learner | so a client could receive the flags as part of the world/map |
| 07:20.16 | MrApathyCream | over and above VecocityAd stuff? |
| 07:20.19 | learner | and server could provide configured flags on the fly |
| 07:20.27 | MrApathyCream | download code? |
| 07:20.32 | learner | no |
| 07:20.49 | learner | same how you download a map, and the world informs the parameters to certain flags now |
| 07:21.31 | learner | provide a consistent interface so that you could configure any flag |
| 07:22.01 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 07:22.16 | learner | say you want shield to allow 3-shots, for example, or gm-velocity is half that of regular shots, etc |
| 07:23.00 | MrApathyCream | gotcha |
| 07:23.26 | learner | eventually, it'll make it trivial to extend it so that you can describe when and how flags can be combined as well (meta-flags) |
| 07:23.42 | learner | so you could pick up multiple flags that the server allows to be combined |
| 07:23.56 | learner | but that's 1.14/16 crazy talk |
| 07:24.32 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:24.41 | learner | same thing for the command inteface |
| 07:24.43 | MrApathyCream | i DO think it's time for the bot api |
| 07:26.15 | learner | server is where i'm focusing for starters -- refactoring that is a basis for most everything else I need |
| 07:27.10 | learner | refactor, toss in a game state, do better dead-reckoning, cheat prevention, and lag compensation |
| 07:27.21 | learner | that'll be big, I think |
| 07:30.07 | learner | so... |
| 07:30.13 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 07:30.18 | MrApathyCream | did you see this |
| 07:30.19 | MrApathyCream | http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html?page=last&x-showcontent=text |
| 07:30.24 | learner | what do YOU want.. ;) |
| 07:31.01 | learner | yea, I saw that.. that was about 3 weeks ago |
| 07:31.21 | MrApathyCream | They quote crs as if he's actively involved |
| 07:31.28 | learner | i know.. :) |
| 07:32.14 | learner | and I find tim's comments on his management abilities rather interesting.. |
| 07:32.52 | learner | aparently the interview was some time ago, and they only now got around to posting it |
| 07:34.17 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:34.52 | MrApathyCream | botapi, karma, a prettier game, and i'd be happy |
| 07:35.18 | MrApathyCream | oh and anything to improve lag :) |
| 07:37.52 | triclops | botapi :-) |
| 07:38.15 | learner | and as it was written so shall it be |
| 07:38.23 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:39.00 | MrApathyCream | http://warriors.eecs.umich.edu/games/papers/adcog03-cheat.pdf |
| 07:39.05 | MrApathyCream | (from article) |
| 07:41.19 | learner | that the dead-reckoning paper? |
| 07:41.28 | learner | ah yes |
| 07:41.46 | MrApathyCream | well lookie here -> http://bzflag.org/wiki/KarmaSystem |
| 07:41.52 | MrApathyCream | already some doc! |
| 07:42.26 | learner | you hadn't read that?? |
| 07:43.26 | learner | it's in doc/howto/Karma.xml as well |
| 07:43.34 | MrApathyCream | ok thanks |
| 07:43.51 | MrApathyCream | the wiki is too far from the code imo |
| 07:44.13 | learner | i think I've moved just about everything into doc/ |
| 07:44.34 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 07:44.43 | learner | with the new doc/web system, I'm hoping to make them one in the same -- at least authoritative in cvs |
| 07:45.12 | MrApathyCream | doc/guide/karma.xml |
| 07:46.11 | MrApathyCream | arg: The character '>' was expected. Error processing resource 'http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/dbpoolx.mod'. Line 1771, Position 50 |
| 07:46.16 | learner | er, did i say howto? :) |
| 07:46.54 | learner | yea, they haven't been fully converted yet -- just showed in with text editors |
| 07:47.04 | MrApathyCream | sok |
| 07:47.46 | MrApathyCream | ick DTDs |
| 07:49.12 | MrApathyCream | have you played on a server where enough players understood the /voting system? |
| 07:49.26 | MrApathyCream | i am amazed at the difficulty people are having |
| 07:50.43 | learner | actually i have |
| 07:51.01 | learner | couple times i was playing on xmission and people started a poll to kick someone |
| 07:51.17 | learner | they got enough votes (out of like 20 people) |
| 07:51.26 | MrApathyCream | maybe we should add a password item to the main menu |
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| 07:51.47 | MrApathyCream | and make the vote yes|no a 'bzpopup' menu |
| 07:52.44 | learner | have it dynamically get added to an in-game menu would make the most sense to me -- get more info about players, lag, clients, voteing, etc |
| 07:53.06 | learner | as a bzpopup, of course still |
| 07:53.32 | learner | basically most everything that you can /command could get added |
| 07:53.39 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:53.53 | MrApathyCream | i'm still explaining how to get lagstats |
| 07:53.56 | learner | but i wasn't going to say anything until I refactored the commands and made that interface I was just talking about earlier |
| 07:54.13 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:54.14 | learner | commands, flags, and options :) |
| 07:55.04 | MrApathyCream | that are interesting |
| 07:57.25 | MrApathyCream | well i guess it's bed time |
| 07:57.49 | learner | yea, me too |
| 07:57.52 | learner | another day |
| 07:57.56 | learner | cya |
| 07:57.57 | MrApathyCream | yuppers |
| 07:58.00 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 08:24.02 | learner | woo hoo.. |
| 08:24.43 | |tim| | whats that? |
| 08:25.24 | learner | if you build bzflag to use shared libraries (which presently only mac os x does), then you'd end up with multiple singletons |
| 08:25.34 | learner | which was "bad" |
| 08:26.03 | |tim| | ah |
| 08:27.39 | learner | the specific sympton is that bzflag wouldn't run since it could not find it's data directory, even when it was set correctly -- the database that holds the location is a singleton. one is initialized and had the value set, the other was not. |
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| 08:29.47 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (OpenGLTexFont.h): changed the unnamed typedef of a named enum to an unnamed enum of a named typedef, as i assume was the intent |
| 08:35.09 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (9 files in 3 dirs): without adding a singleton manager/container that the singletons self-register with, this is a rather simple way to prevent the generation of multiple singletons when using shared/dynamic libraries. this fixes the os x xcode project build \(which uses dynamic library frameworks\). all betta now. |
| 08:39.03 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): ws |
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| 10:16.53 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (UIMap.cxx): follow learner Singleton fixes and let it build again |
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| 11:10.17 | Pimpinella | learner: what r u working about and where to find it? |
| 11:11.05 | Tupone | learner is sleeping :) |
| 11:11.15 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 11:11.24 | Pimpinella | of course |
| 11:12.02 | Tupone | what were you asking? Could be I know |
| 11:13.31 | Pimpinella | was searching for the changes he made in cvs, but i dont find it. almost tink im to stupid... |
| 11:14.13 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 11:14.27 | Pimpinella | yes, im too stupid! |
| 11:14.38 | Pimpinella | wrong dir! |
| 11:14.49 | Tupone | He is working on make Mac OS building (singleton) and a problem Manu has |
| 11:14.56 | Tupone | on bzfs |
| 11:15.15 | Pimpinella | yes, i found now |
| 11:15.20 | Tupone | good |
| 11:16.19 | Pimpinella | i changed the vt and there was a bzflag-dir too, but was cvs-checkout from yesterday |
| 11:16.51 | Tupone | yeah! to many window/terminals |
| 11:16.55 | Pimpinella | :) |
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| 13:35.54 | Tupone | ciao orchid |
| 13:35.56 | orchid | hi |
| 13:36.32 | Tupone | g'morning |
| 13:41.02 | Chestal | hi |
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| 13:41.37 | Chestal | die Last ist natürlich zur Zeit auch verringert |
| 13:41.38 | Chestal | oops |
| 13:41.54 | Merry | Hi all |
| 13:42.00 | Merry | Huh?? |
| 13:42.54 | orchid | hi Merry |
| 13:43.03 | Merry | Hi Orchid |
| 13:43.24 | Merry | How are you? |
| 13:43.32 | orchid | im nervous |
| 13:43.39 | Merry | What for? |
| 13:43.41 | orchid | i have to fly today |
| 13:43.50 | orchid | i dont generally like it |
| 13:43.53 | Chestal | how's the weather? |
| 13:44.00 | orchid | its good |
| 13:44.02 | Merry | Awww, to where? |
| 13:44.20 | orchid | Merry, to the east coast of canada |
| 13:44.28 | Merry | Eep! |
| 13:44.30 | orchid | !weather cyyz |
| 13:44.32 | guu | orchid: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson Intl., Ontario is 4°C (Wind Chill: -2°C). Conditions: Overcast |
| 13:44.41 | Chestal | orchid: it's fun when the plane suddenly drops a few meters, e.g. when flying through a small thunderstorm :-) |
| 13:44.51 | orchid | Chestal, be quirt! |
| 13:45.01 | orchid | thats isnt fun :) |
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| 13:45.05 | Merry | Hehehe, quirt, hahahhaa, sorry |
| 13:45.05 | orchid | its scary |
| 13:45.11 | orchid | Merry, :) |
| 13:45.18 | Chestal | ~dict quirt |
| 13:45.26 | Chestal | hmmm |
| 13:45.52 | Chestal | orchid: how long does it take? |
| 13:46.03 | orchid | about 2 hours |
| 13:46.34 | Tupone | orchid: IRC from there? |
| 13:47.10 | orchid | Tupone, not sure, i managed to get my winmodem configured on my laptop, but not tested yet until i get there |
| 13:47.12 | Chestal | orchid: so it's only a long hop |
| 13:47.26 | orchid | Chestal, yeah, not too far |
| 13:48.49 | Merry | Hehe |
| 13:49.04 | Merry | I found something orchid, that might cheer you up :) |
| 13:55.19 | Chestal | orchid: when do you return? |
| 13:55.39 | orchid | just before new years day |
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| 14:13.44 | mikep | hi davy |
| 14:14.10 | david_v | hey |
| 14:14.38 | Merry | how are you? |
| 14:17.34 | david_v | oh heh was looking away from IRC... i'm just fine thx |
| 14:17.39 | david_v | you? |
| 14:18.43 | Merry | good |
| 14:18.44 | Merry | thanks |
| 14:18.49 | Merry | what about school? |
| 14:18.52 | Merry | you finished? |
| 14:19.04 | david_v | for this semester yes :) |
| 14:19.14 | david_v | nothing until Jan. 19th now |
| 14:19.23 | david_v | well, except for some symbolic work |
| 14:19.25 | Merry | cool |
| 14:19.27 | Merry | oh |
| 14:19.28 | Merry | heh |
| 14:20.40 | Merry | bye all |
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| 14:28.41 | orchid | ~dict scrooge |
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| 15:03.11 | strayer | hi.. |
| 15:05.27 | Grumbler | halo |
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| 15:39.21 | Merry | bye all, out to play Toon Town, http://play.toontown.com |
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| 17:00.28 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/16/0119206 || 1.10.2 is out |
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| 17:13.18 | Skipp | hello |
| 17:13.22 | Skipp | anyone up for a match |
| 17:16.14 | Noodleman | moof |
| 17:16.24 | Noodleman | i have no idea where my teamies are |
| 17:16.33 | Noodleman | otherwise i'd be up for a match |
| 17:17.56 | Skipp | k |
| 17:18.06 | Skipp | if u find them meet us at ducati 5156 |
| 17:20.39 | Skipp | anyone seen the red baron today? |
| 17:20.47 | Noodleman | ok |
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| 17:58.04 | bryjen | someone's left a faucet running in a restroom at the CIA |
| 17:59.37 | fhffhqvb | you know the drawback of running cheatclients? |
| 18:00.01 | fhffhqvb | you have to backport fixes made in the official version..... |
| 18:00.09 | bryjen | people think you're scum? |
| 18:00.10 | fhffhqvb | something knightmare neglected to do. |
| 18:00.56 | bryjen | or be forever forward porting your cheats |
| 18:01.05 | fhffhqvb | or that, yeah. |
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| 18:04.03 | bryjen | even if the cheats are simple to create and maintan, what's the pay off? Oooo, I can irriate people trying to play a game! Big deal. |
| 18:04.31 | fhffhqvb | *shrug* |
| 18:04.31 | bryjen | hmm |
| 18:04.40 | bryjen | ~spell maintan |
| 18:04.43 | | possible spellings for maintan: maintain main tan main-tan Montana maintains maintainer mountain Minta manta minting Minoan mantas maintop Maritain suntan maintained minuting mundane |
| 18:04.51 | bryjen | ~spell irriate |
| 18:04.54 | | possible spellings for irriate: irrigate irritate irate Irita irater orate aerate irradiate |
| 18:04.54 | fhffhqvb | suntan? |
| 18:05.05 | bryjen | maintain , irritate |
| 18:05.18 | bryjen | Patlabor221 is contagious |
| 18:05.25 | bryjen | ~spell contagious |
| 18:05.26 | | 'contagious' may be spelled correctly |
| 18:05.29 | bryjen | Ahhh |
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| 18:11.41 | Skipp | hello |
| 18:11.50 | fhffhqvb | hello pigskipp |
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| 18:21.13 | Patlabor221 | I'm what? |
| 18:22.22 | Patlabor221 | well I do think I am coming down with something but I don't think I'm contagous |
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| 18:34.32 | KnottyMan | 1.10.2 bzc question - I'm trying to bind alt+f2 to /lagstats. What is the right syntax for this? |
| 18:40.26 | creeperz | there is a way to assign hotkeys in bzflag? |
| 18:41.24 | KnottyMan | in 1.7g2, alt+Fwhatever was a quick message and it worked dandy. |
| 18:42.02 | creeperz | how did you set the quick message? |
| 18:42.38 | KnottyMan | edit bzc and add to the end quickMessageX "whatever message" and X was the F key number. |
| 18:42.54 | creeperz | i see |
| 18:43.01 | KnottyMan | quickmessage1 is AltF1 etc |
| 18:43.29 | KnottyMan | there were team quickmessages too with ctrl Fwhatever too |
| 18:43.37 | creeperz | quickMessage1 "I hate your guts!" |
| 18:43.38 | creeperz | ? |
| 18:44.03 | KnottyMan | would say to everyone with Alt+F1 |
| 18:44.19 | creeperz | i see |
| 18:44.25 | creeperz | cool |
| 18:44.44 | KnottyMan | teamquickmessage1 "get back to base" would be ctrl+F1 |
| 18:45.11 | KnottyMan | but they either got rid of it, or the syntax is not documented cause I can't make it work now. |
| 18:45.33 | creeperz | ah |
| 19:00.34 | strayer | hm..interesting |
| 19:01.16 | strayer | I had a look in th bzflag19.bzc file...never saw that before KnottyMan...ty 4 the hint :o) |
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| 19:20.51 | KnottyMan | what version are you running strayer? in my 1.10.2 it's totally redone syntax-wise and there's no mention of quickmessages. |
| 19:21.58 | bryjen | set quickMessage1 "Foo" |
| 19:22.19 | KnottyMan | aha very good |
| 19:22.33 | bryjen | set quickTeamMessage1 "Bar" |
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| 19:24.53 | KnottyMan | yep, that's it. Thanks bryjen. |
| 19:25.10 | bryjen | youre welcome. |
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| 19:25.39 | anonimo | hello |
| 19:25.43 | anonimo | people! |
| 19:25.46 | anonimo | good work |
| 19:25.50 | anonimo | a question |
| 19:26.01 | bryjen | yes? |
| 19:26.31 | anonimo | i'd like to start a server, with a little non-complex world for two persons and publicize it in the main list on internet |
| 19:26.41 | anonimo | is an adsl line enough? |
| 19:26.47 | anonimo | 320/128 |
| 19:26.55 | bryjen | just two players? |
| 19:27.03 | KnottyMan | that'd be tight... |
| 19:27.06 | anonimo | yes..hehe |
| 19:27.17 | anonimo | or 4 |
| 19:27.21 | Manu_1 | good only for four players |
| 19:27.34 | anonimo | Manu_1, my adsl you mean? |
| 19:27.37 | anonimo | only for 4? |
| 19:27.47 | Manu_1 | yes because only 128k up |
| 19:27.55 | bryjen | should work for low number of players. use a low number of shots too. |
| 19:28.09 | anonimo | what about the entry in the list? does it appear automatically? |
| 19:28.20 | KnottyMan | -public |
| 19:28.27 | bryjen | use the -public option when starting bzfs |
| 19:28.32 | larsl_56k | anonimo: You need to add the option -public "Info about my server" |
| 19:28.40 | larsl_56k | Perhaps -publicaddr too. |
| 19:28.52 | Manu_1 | need to know your IP or domain if you have one |
| 19:29.02 | anonimo | ok..no i have a dinamic ip.. |
| 19:29.08 | anonimo | let's try |
| 19:29.30 | Manu_1 | well.. try to got a domain in dyndns.org or dynamic ip |
| 19:29.36 | Manu_1 | for... |
| 19:29.56 | KnottyMan | dtdns.com works well too |
| 19:30.27 | larsl_56k | Or you can just use your current IP. |
| 19:30.34 | anonimo | yes |
| 19:30.37 | anonimo | i can use it |
| 19:31.02 | anonimo | i am going to start bzfs..with bzfs -public "Small server for newbies" |
| 19:31.17 | Manu_1 | try it! :) |
| 19:31.32 | Manu_1 | watching... |
| 19:31.42 | anonimo | yes |
| 19:31.48 | anonimo | is it there? |
| 19:31.50 | anonimo | heh |
| 19:32.10 | Manu_1 | no... |
| 19:32.49 | anonimo | hmm.. |
| 19:33.11 | Manu_1 | try bzfs -public "your message" -publicaddr "your ip" |
| 19:33.11 | KnottyMan | what version are you running? |
| 19:33.36 | KnottyMan | and are you firewalled? |
| 19:33.54 | Manu_1 | he he..... or transparent-proxy? |
| 19:34.17 | KnottyMan | anonimo, what is your current ip? |
| 19:35.15 | anonimo | ok |
| 19:35.16 | anonimo | try now |
| 19:35.16 | anonimo | 151.38.242.229 |
| 19:35.19 | anonimo | KnottyMan, should be in the list |
| 19:35.24 | KnottyMan | I see it |
| 19:35.27 | Manu_1 | ok! ;-) |
| 19:35.30 | anonimo | let me start bzflag as well heh |
| 19:35.36 | anonimo | see you there then |
| 19:35.49 | Manu_1 | now try to add flags.... |
| 19:36.44 | bryjen | 8 shots |
| 19:37.34 | Manu_1 | and jumps... -j |
| 19:37.35 | anonimo | 8 yes heh |
| 19:37.50 | Manu_1 | better five... or four |
| 19:38.08 | anonimo | ok |
| 19:38.25 | Manu_1 | try bzfs -help |
| 19:38.58 | anonimo | ok |
| 19:39.00 | anonimo | should be ok |
| 19:39.02 | anonimo | try |
| 19:42.32 | anonimo | mm |
| 19:42.36 | Manu_1 | try: |
| 19:42.38 | Manu_1 | +f V{3} +f A{2} +f OO{6} +f F{2} +f MG{2} +f GM{2} +f L +f IB{2} +f ST{3} +f T{2} +f N{4} +f SH{2} +f SR{2} +f SW{2} +f PZ{2} +f ID{3} +f CL{4} +f R{4} +f SB{3} |
| 19:42.38 | Manu_1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.45 | anonimo | wow |
| 19:42.54 | Manu_1 | do you understand the correct way.... :) |
| 19:43.14 | anonimo | the last thing is the mirror for the shots.. |
| 19:44.02 | bryjen | or maybe something simpler like +f good |
| 19:44.11 | larsl_56k | Hehe, or just +s 66. =) |
| 19:44.43 | Manu_1 | better is add all the options to a config file |
| 19:45.42 | Manu_1 | and if you don't want some flags... something like: -f bad -f R -f G -f JP |
| 19:46.46 | anonimo | ok |
| 19:46.47 | anonimo | ready? |
| 19:46.52 | Manu_1 | yes |
| 19:46.55 | anonimo | started |
| 19:49.17 | anonimo | reallt slow |
| 19:49.24 | anonimo | i should decrease the size of the world |
| 19:49.28 | anonimo | to 1 |
| 19:49.30 | Manu_1 | what linux flavour? |
| 19:49.34 | anonimo | mandrake |
| 19:50.00 | Manu_1 | ummmmm...... mandrake work in a lot of things.... :( |
| 19:50.38 | Manu_1 | the lag was high to you, running in your own server |
| 19:50.57 | anonimo | yes |
| 19:51.05 | anonimo | too many things |
| 19:51.07 | Manu_1 | try to down the screen resolution.... only a p3 550 |
| 19:51.30 | anonimo | what about the size of the world? |
| 19:51.36 | anonimo | decreasing it should help |
| 19:51.45 | Manu_1 | i don't think so |
| 19:52.04 | Manu_1 | random map is easy for any computer |
| 19:52.17 | CIA-1_ | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Added clarification to bzadmin /set bug |
| 19:52.43 | Manu_1 | how many RAM memory do you have? |
| 19:52.59 | Manu_1 | RAM size |
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| 19:54.56 | anonimo | try now! |
| 19:54.59 | anonimo | it's perfect |
| 19:55.02 | anonimo | 256mb |
| 20:01.21 | anonimo | hmm |
| 20:01.23 | anonimo | too lag |
| 20:01.26 | anonimo | even for me |
| 20:01.40 | anonimo | i never reached the best quality with this computer |
| 20:02.00 | Manu_1 | yes... i think your computer can run ok with a graphic enviroment and like a server... |
| 20:02.34 | Manu_1 | the game eat a lot of cpu cycles... try to down graphics.... and details |
| 20:02.54 | Manu_1 | can-> can't sorry |
| 20:03.01 | larsl_56k | Or try to set the server priority to a very low value. |
| 20:03.41 | Manu_1 | i know mandrake run a lot of no needed programs.... :( |
| 20:04.25 | anonimo | which ones? |
| 20:05.07 | Manu_1 | try in a console ps -A | less |
| 20:06.32 | larsl_56k | I very much doubt that default Mandrake is runnung CPU-intensive processes in the background. |
| 20:07.07 | Manu_1 | yes... easy to install for newbies but bad for an intensive work |
| 20:07.29 | larsl_56k | Why? |
| 20:08.39 | Manu_1 | beause default configuration run a lot of programs in background... PAM database..... |
| 20:09.30 | Manu_1 | almos all the things are -auto and those eat a lot of cpu cycles |
| 20:10.02 | larsl_56k | They hardly eat any CPU cycles at all, those processes are sleeping most of the time. |
| 20:10.09 | Manu_1 | you only need to compute how many time need a mandrake linux to start up |
| 20:11.12 | Manu_1 | well... if your computer is power on all the time the cron work is in the night... but if you power on little time... he allways begin to work when you power on |
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| 20:12.15 | Manu_1 | i was a mandrake user, but leaved it because those things |
| 20:12.30 | Manu_1 | (and more...) |
| 20:15.02 | bryjen | anyone else notice this on any 1.10 servers besides xmission: when a team's flag is captured, the whole team goes NR for a short while before they're killed and reset to base? |
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| 20:17.16 | larsl_56k | bryjen: I've seen some players going NR for a while when I capture their flag (on 1.7 too), but not whole teams. |
| 20:18.41 | Manu_1 | never seen in 1.7 for me... and in 1.10 no play CTF jet! |
| 20:18.42 | bryjen | I'm pretty sure its been the whole team. |
| 20:19.09 | larsl_56k | Could it be a lag issue (was the whole team laggy)? |
| 20:19.09 | Manu_1 | only for you or for all the players? |
| 20:19.45 | Manu_1 | did the other players report that? |
| 20:20.13 | bryjen | Might be lag. Even when the /lagstats numbers are low, sometimes it "feels" laggy. I asked, and others on the server said they'd seen it too |
| 20:21.32 | Manu_1 | that is because lag is only reported from clients to server |
| 20:22.07 | Manu_1 | the lag between clients is not computed |
| 20:22.42 | larsl_56k | But all rtaffic goes through the server, so the leg between clients is the sum of their lag to the server. |
| 20:22.49 | larsl_56k | Ick, I can't spell. |
| 20:23.22 | Manu_1 | some udp packets go from client to client |
| 20:23.55 | larsl_56k | Do they really? Clients don't know each others IP numbers, so how could they send them? |
| 20:24.14 | bryjen | client used to multicast between each other. not anymore. |
| 20:24.18 | larsl_56k | I know that we used multicasting in some early 1.7 versions, but I think that has been removed. |
| 20:24.39 | bryjen | multicast across the internet doesnt work well |
| 20:25.23 | Manu_1 | some proxies and routers got problems |
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| 20:28.57 | bryjen | ~country .pt |
| 20:28.59 | | country .pt is probably portugal |
| 20:29.11 | Manu_1 | yes |
| 20:29.43 | Manu_1 | near my home.... :) |
| 20:30.11 | RuFiToS | yes Portugal |
| 20:30.30 | RuFiToS | where do you live manu? |
| 20:30.53 | Manu_1 | i live in Extremadura - Trujillo near Portugal |
| 20:31.12 | RuFiToS | yep is close :) |
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| 20:31.53 | Pimpinella | hi Rufi |
| 20:32.03 | RuFiToS | hey pimpinella :) |
| 20:32.16 | RuFiToS | is my first time here :) |
| 20:32.26 | Pimpinella | i c |
| 20:32.48 | Pimpinella | nice to have u with us |
| 20:33.01 | RuFiToS | ty Pimpinella :) |
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| 20:43.04 | CIA-1_ | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (2 files): bzadmin now has its own BZDB, /set command works as expected |
| 20:46.24 | CIA-1_ | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Removed bzadmin /set bug |
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| 20:49.10 | larsl_56k | ~bzflist |
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| 20:53.09 | larsl_56k | http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley/9769/ |
| 20:53.18 | larsl_56k | Does anyone read japanese? |
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| 21:03.58 | TimRiker | http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.co.jp%2FSiliconValley%2F9769%2F&lp=ja_en&tt=url |
| 21:04.52 | TimRiker | "as for download coconut" hehe |
| 21:12.57 | david_v | :) |
| 21:13.29 | david_v | i'm a hazel-nut, what about the rest? |
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| 21:28.26 | Duty | hello |
| 21:28.33 | larsl_56k | Hello. |
| 21:28.40 | Duty | has anyone had problems with flags being invisible? |
| 21:29.00 | Tupone | on window or radar? |
| 21:29.09 | larsl_56k | No... did you press the H or J key? |
| 21:29.11 | Duty | window |
| 21:29.28 | Tupone | try H or J |
| 21:29.33 | Duty | okay |
| 21:30.01 | Duty | J fixed it, thanks |
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| 21:39.36 | AlienGrumbler | the infamous h/j key rears its ugly head again :) |
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| 23:31.27 | Deleriux | I suppose this has been mentioned before like.. and maybe me being idiotic but configure craps out cos the MacOSX directory is empty.. |
| 23:32.06 | Tupone | where you got the source? |
| 23:32.19 | Deleriux | sourcforge heanet mirror |
| 23:32.38 | Tupone | lemme chec |
| 23:33.06 | Deleriux | I would guess all the mirrors are the same as all file sizes are similar |
| 23:33.52 | Tupone | my question was: download distribution or CVS? your comes from cvs |
| 23:34.07 | Tupone | sry from download |
| 23:34.47 | Deleriux | well sourceforge download.. |
| 23:35.00 | Tupone | Understand. |
| 23:35.05 | Deleriux | 1.10.2 [show only this release]2003-12-20 16:00 |
| 23:35.05 | Deleriux | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.10 | Deleriux | that might be some snapshot? |
| 23:35.32 | Tupone | that is. I'm checking |
| 23:35.48 | Tupone | what is the directory path ? |
| 23:36.00 | Deleriux | to the download? |
| 23:36.10 | Tupone | to the MacOSX directory you miss |
| 23:36.13 | Deleriux | ah right |
| 23:36.18 | Deleriux | ill go get it |
| 23:36.25 | Deleriux | bzflag-1.10.2.20031221/src/platform/MacOSX |
| 23:37.13 | Tupone | should not be empty! It'is? |
| 23:38.02 | Deleriux | well it was yeah :) i did a touch Makefile.im thinking what the hey im on linux but then it craps out on another empty directory it then creates Bzflag.proj asking for Makefile.im there |
| 23:39.11 | Tupone | are you using MacOSX 10.3? |
| 23:39.17 | Deleriux | Im on linux |
| 23:39.23 | Deleriux | i686 |
| 23:39.40 | Tupone | what is your error exactly? |
| 23:39.55 | Deleriux | cannot find input file: src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.in |
| 23:40.11 | Tupone | you did a configure? |
| 23:40.15 | Deleriux | yep |
| 23:40.41 | Deleriux | I cant do a make though because its bailing out before writing other makefiles. |
| 23:40.45 | Tupone | in MacOSX have you a file named Makefile.am |
| 23:40.51 | Deleriux | nope |
| 23:40.56 | Deleriux | the whole directory was empty |
| 23:41.30 | Tupone | mine is not, but I've not downloaded! I'll try to get it |
| 23:41.34 | Deleriux | actually |
| 23:41.38 | Deleriux | umm on a clean extract |
| 23:41.42 | Deleriux | macosx directory doesnt exist |
| 23:41.50 | Deleriux | i just rm -fr and re-extracted it |
| 23:41.53 | Deleriux | its not even there. |
| 23:43.03 | Tupone | I'm downloading now |
| 23:45.16 | Tupone | you're right! |
| 23:45.34 | Tupone | source are not ok! |
| 23:45.40 | Deleriux | someone did a boo-boo :) |
| 23:45.54 | Tupone | if you wanna compile: |
| 23:46.26 | Tupone | edit configure.in on the main directory and remove src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.in |
| 23:46.33 | Deleriux | ok.. |
| 23:46.35 | Deleriux | thanks |
| 23:46.39 | Tupone | wait |
| 23:47.02 | Tupone | edit src/platform/Mafile.am and on the DIRS line remove MacOSX |
| 23:47.09 | Tupone | that should be all |
| 23:47.11 | Deleriux | ok |
| 23:48.06 | captain_proton | har, poor crs |
| 23:48.40 | Tupone | I'm trying to get in touch with learner to know what's happening |
| 23:48.56 | Deleriux | hmm, theres no DIR variable in the Makefile.am |
| 23:49.10 | Deleriux | just a list of sources and headers to compile dependant on o/s |
| 23:49.29 | Deleriux | ah sorry, thers a SUBDIRS = MacOSX |
| 23:50.13 | Tupone | SUBDIRS & DIST_SUBDIRS |
| 23:50.23 | Tupone | it's just an hack |
| 23:50.44 | Deleriux | I commented it all out and configure still complains. |
| 23:50.54 | Tupone | what does it says? |
| 23:51.06 | Tupone | OMG |
| 23:51.10 | Tupone | wait |
| 23:51.17 | Tupone | you need to autogen |
| 23:51.22 | Deleriux | k |
| 23:51.32 | Tupone | have you with you autoconf/automake ? |
| 23:51.43 | Deleriux | ill do that now :) |
| 23:51.49 | Tupone | try to run ./autogen.sh |
| 23:51.53 | Deleriux | i edited configure.in near the bottom is the makefiles to create |
| 23:52.01 | Tupone | yeah |
| 23:53.25 | Deleriux | I would suggest having the configure.in chagned and having macosx stuff put at the bottom |
| 23:53.30 | Deleriux | the makefiles |
| 23:53.42 | Deleriux | that way even if it does bail out you can still run make as other makefiles are made anyway |
| 23:54.20 | Tupone | but MacOSX normally works. it is just that from the tarball are missing a directory |
| 23:54.32 | Deleriux | hmm.. strange one that :) |
| 23:54.36 | Tupone | We all have that, just is missing on sourceforge download |
| 23:54.58 | Deleriux | i see.. well that coulda gone unnoticed i suppose. |
| 23:55.21 | Deleriux | I thought itd of been a common error, mindyou that download was released only yesterday so. |
| 23:55.32 | Tupone | yeah, can be you are the first that compile from the source downloaded at sf |
| 23:56.06 | Deleriux | oh, i always compile from source so :) |
| 23:56.36 | Tupone | thankx! We'll fix that :) |
| 23:56.42 | Deleriux | no problem :) |