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00:00.49JBdiGrizSure, I have two connections coming in, dialup with a static ip, and dsl with a dynamic ip.
00:01.02Tuponethat's clear
00:01.15TuponeDNS has you dialup
00:01.19JBdiGrizI run the primary dns for my domain here with the static ip, the dynamic provides one of the secondarys
00:01.33Tuponeso you run the DNS!
00:01.44Tuponek
00:02.09JBdiGrizWhen other secondarys request the primary map, i want to respond via the same outgoing route, although I'm not sure this is strictly necessary.
00:02.34yoyox~d
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00:02.52yoyoxHm.
00:02.53Tuponesecondary server ask from the dynamic?
00:03.10JBdiGrizSecondarys always ask from the primary static.
00:03.11yoyox~google yoyox
00:03.25Tuponethats udp.
00:03.40yoyox~google yoyox nikt
00:03.51TuponeYou want to answer from the dynamic?
00:03.54yoyox~google "yoyox nikt"
00:04.08yoyox~google google
00:04.22JBdiGrizI thought the map request was tcp, but individual requests are udp. I should doublecheck since if it is udp, then the return route makes no difference.
00:05.12Tuponeeven if tcp, I think you can force an route to the dynamic, in output
00:05.38JBdiGrizI need to force the route to the static, since the dynamic will be the default route
00:06.03Tuponewhy do you want that?
00:06.05yoyox~ibot
00:06.06hmm... ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend.  Enemy of SCOBot
00:06.37Tuponefor the network they are just a bunch of packet
00:07.00yoyox~
00:07.07Tuponenobody will know the path of each packet
00:07.11yoyox~?
00:07.25yoyox~~?
00:07.40yoyox~o
00:07.43JBdiGrizIf it's tcp, the secondary makes a connection to the primary at the static address. My machine responds but it goes through the dynamic connection, and has that as the source ip address of the machine.
00:08.59Tuponethe source ip address is independent of the routing. I think it is put there by the DNS software. Or the bind to INADDR_ANY and the system choose a default one
00:09.27Tupones/the/they/
00:10.38Tuponethey, I mean, who wrote named
00:10.43JBdiGrizIf the source ip address is independent, then I might be able to get away with always replying on the dynamic ip connection. I'll have to try that out. I have had some issues with trying it before.
00:11.06Tuponecould be a configuration option of named ?
00:11.28Tuponewhich interface is used as source address
00:12.12JBdiGriznamed would be responding to dns packets from both connections. I can configure it to respond with different maps, but I can't specify what it puts in the source/dest ip.
00:13.43TuponeWe need the source of named, just to have a look at what they bind. :)
00:14.13Tuponecould be they use the address the packet arrives
00:15.13JBdiGrizI have the source online. I just haven't looked at it in several years. :)
00:15.31Tupone8 or 9
00:15.43Tuponeor older?
00:15.59JBdiGrizI'm now using 9 for the different views. The last time I looked at it was probably an older version.
00:16.20Tuponeprobably it's better to RTFM
00:16.58Tuponebut my preference is alway RTFS :)
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00:17.14JBdiGrizI have read the manual several times to get this configuration working. Now I'm trying to combine the connections on one machine and anticipating this problem. :)
00:19.57TuponeIf named is not doing what you like, iptables can changes the source address of the packet IIRC
00:20.39Tuponeno need to work at the routing protocol
00:21.50JBdiGrizThat might be the right answer, as long as I know that it's a request from a secondary for the primary map. I will look at it as well.
00:23.31Tuponeyou can check that the message is a DNS response (don't know exactly the protocol), change the source address, and forward to the fastest route
00:25.32JBdiGrizThat isn't quite correct though. It could be querying the secondary (on the dynamic connection) so I wouldn't want to change the address. That's what started my line of questioning in the first place. I think I'll just try moving the connection over to the same machine and testing from an outside source.
00:28.54TuponeYeah, I not quite inside the DNS stuff :( So cannot help much, just trying to give general ideas
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01:49.02Bagheerahello people
02:04.10JBdiGrizwb quol
02:04.27Quolty JBdiGriz
02:04.42JBdiGrizthat was fun without the running commentary
02:04.52Quolgot tired of the lag/sneezing/and talk over there
02:04.56JBdiGrizalthough the lag was sometimes annoying as well
02:05.13Quollol - yes indeed - at least you and I seem to be on the same wavelenght :)
02:05.33JBdiGrizthere were others, ram and bzg were talking to me about it
02:06.06QuolI am sure - but the little ones have to go through that so they can grow up and say "did I sound like that", and "did I do that" :)
02:06.45JBdiGrizi don't recall annoying as many people when i was drinking. i remember falling asleep a lot.
02:06.51Quollol
02:07.51QuolI regressed when I was stuck somewhere deep inside a bottle in my youth - that's why I quite drinking actually, I stooped pretty low...at least I woke up one day and came to my senses though
02:08.09JBdiGrizmy roommate used to have parties in our dorm room. i would be out late submitting jobs in the batch queue because it was cheaper. when i got back, i would usually have a couple of drinks and fall asleep in the middle of the party.
02:08.35Quollol
02:08.51JBdiGrizmost people got used to continuing the party. it never bothered me.
02:09.15Quolthey just partied "around" you I guess
02:09.28Quoldid they ever move you when you were sleeping?
02:09.45Quolone of the guys that used to hang with us did that also - but we were mean
02:09.54JBdiGrizi was in my bed. i don't recall anyone ever joining me. :)
02:10.15Quolone night we shaved "dork" in the back of his head and dropped him off in a field about 15 miles away from nowhere :)
02:10.34JBdiGrizyou guys were far meaner than we ever were.
02:10.45Quolya - we were bad...
02:11.40Quolit came into perspective when one of the guys we hung with drank so much that there was ambulances and a hospital involved and he almost died....
02:11.59JBdiGrizthat's an awakening.
02:12.55JBdiGriznow i'll have a couple of beers or a little wine, but i rarely have anything stronger. when i do, it's only one.
02:13.07Quolyup....anyways, I saw you and tupone discussing your DNS thingy...get anymore answers on that one?
02:13.54Quolyup was meant for the *awakening* comment...in case you were wondering wy I said yup :)
02:14.05JBdiGriznot really, it's not clear that it will really be a problem if it puts  the correct source ip in the return packet, and sends it back via whichever interface is available.
02:14.54JBdiGrizi just have to configure the machines and then start testing it from an outside box.
02:16.30Quolcool - let me know how it works out...
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02:17.00JBdiGrizalthough it might be, since the dsl will be going through a nat as well. I'm going to have to try it.
02:17.09QuolBBL - have to put my 4 year old to bed....:)
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03:30.22GenRommelanybody alive - I have an X question
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05:43.53CIA03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (Player.cxx): the rabbit is special, make him shine
06:10.20Patlabor221he lives
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06:25.47WOOWOOhehe
06:26.25WOOWOOthe mrs surprised me with a pre xmas vid card
06:28.19Patlabor221ahh
06:28.20Patlabor221cool
06:28.24Patlabor221what did she get you?
06:29.44WOOWOO5700 Ultra
06:30.07Patlabor221ahh good hard
06:30.09Patlabor221card
06:30.17Patlabor221much better then the one I got for ya
06:31.11WOOWOO380fps
06:31.22Patlabor221yeah it's super overkill for bz
06:31.44Patlabor221now you have shaders
06:31.55WOOWOOthanks much btw
06:32.02Patlabor221sure
06:32.27Patlabor221was gonna say sorry it wasn't there by now, but I guess it's good I was waiting to send it on mondya :)
06:32.35WOOWOOhehe
06:32.39WOOWOOyea
06:32.56Patlabor221I was trying to find a GF4, I know I have one aaround here somehwew
06:33.38Patlabor221what was your old card?
06:33.55MichaelhGood morning everyone :)
06:34.00WOOWOOgeforce 3 (original)
06:34.12Patlabor221ahh another good card
06:36.22Patlabor221I have a 3 and a 5300 here
06:36.26Patlabor221sorry 5200
06:37.37WOOWOOnow bz, really needs to be prettified
06:37.57Patlabor221can't
06:38.06Patlabor221it still has to run on chestals soft imp
06:38.48WOOWOOheh
06:38.58Patlabor221and Tims SGI
06:38.59WOOWOOi'll send him a busted ge3
06:39.05WOOWOO;)
06:39.08Patlabor221that means no GL 1.1 or greater
06:39.20WOOWOOthe 5700 has a power connector
06:39.25Patlabor221yes
06:39.28Patlabor221for the fan
06:39.31WOOWOOah
06:39.40Patlabor221it draws too much from the AGP for the fan
06:39.44WOOWOOheh
06:39.49Patlabor221so for saftey they put power on it
06:39.53WOOWOOhuge sync too
06:39.56Patlabor221or it could blow mobos
06:39.59Patlabor221yeah
06:39.59WOOWOOsink?
06:40.02Patlabor221they don't run cool
06:40.33Patlabor221it's basicly an underclocked 5900 with the new die set
06:41.11WOOWOOless pixel processers or something
06:41.16WOOWOO4x1 vs 4x2 or something
06:41.43Patlabor221yeah
06:41.58Patlabor221I think it has one less pipeline
06:42.14WOOWOOlooking at the reviews it appears that radeon bests nvidia on shading, but nvidia wins elsewhere
06:42.30WOOWOOso the mrs did good
06:42.33Patlabor221yes ATI does have some nice DX only shaders
06:42.42Patlabor221but the drivers suck in most everything else
06:42.49Patlabor221it's NOT all about fill rate anymore
06:43.00Patlabor221tho the FX series has some nice shaders as well
06:43.06Patlabor221if you use the cG
06:43.32Michaelhcurrently it doesn't matter if you're using windows with the latest cvs :)
06:43.37Patlabor221and at least the nvidias can draw a textured square properly, unlike the AITs
06:43.44captain_protonanything done with cg can also be done with dx shaders or opengl
06:44.07Patlabor221dosn't the new cG have some new stuff that hasn't been put into DX9?
06:44.19Patlabor221I know it's all exposed in the gl endenstions
06:44.39Patlabor221some of the stuff with cG2.0
06:45.18captain_protonit shouldn't
06:45.27Patlabor221tho the fill rates on the FX line is not as impresive as the GF4 was fromt he GF3
06:47.55Patlabor221I should look at the latest ATIs and see if they can finaly draw a simple skybox
06:51.07captain_protonheh
06:54.08Patlabor221I guess GL_REPEAT_U dosnt' really mean anything to them
06:59.10WOOWOOhorsie tiem :)
07:02.23Patlabor221why do they eat so late?
07:24.35WOOWOOtheir father feeds them thn
07:24.37WOOWOOthen
07:34.39CIA03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): save world is a first class option
07:35.20MrApathyCreamwoot captain_proton is updating!!
07:35.59Patlabor221??
07:36.29CIA03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.h): save world is a first class option
07:37.14MrApathyCreamhad a cvs read lock waiting for cappy to update
07:39.40Patlabor221ahh
07:40.14Patlabor221learner is working on a CVS snap system for those who can't get from asgard
07:41.33MrApathyCreamcoo
07:41.55MrApathyCreamuhoh, me thinks tupone boosted the explosing code
07:42.00MrApathyCreamplayer gets kicked on death
07:42.04MrApathyCreamfor out of bounds
07:42.10Patlabor221ooo nice job testing it then
07:42.14Patlabor221he was working on it
07:42.21MrApathyCreamperhaps just non-jumping worlds
07:43.12MrApathyCreamnope
07:43.13MrApathyCreamalways
07:43.18MrApathyCream:*)
07:44.59MrApathyCreamhmmm, maybe only local server
07:45.28captain_protonMrApathyCream: ...i was?
07:45.43captain_protonMrApathyCream: it was probably sfsnap ;)
07:45.50Patlabor221how should a local server be any difrent?
07:46.22MrApathyCreamdunno
07:46.24MrApathyCreamless lag
07:46.36Patlabor221so it's busted for people with better connections?
07:46.41MrApathyCreamdunno
07:46.52MrApathyCreami kick myself on myown server, thats all i know
07:49.58MrApathyCreamhmm, not happening now
08:06.57MrApathyCreamawesome
08:53.06MrApathyCreamso pat is this your versioning todo item?
08:53.17Patlabor221?
08:53.41MrApathyCreamNeed to use different, clearly disjoint numbering system on bzfs.  perhaps just
08:53.42MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
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08:54.24Patlabor221it's just a thing
08:54.32Patlabor221don't recall it being mine specificly
08:54.43Patlabor221requires list server changes
08:54.44MrApathyCreamk
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10:28.26Chestaluah, MAC was here
10:34.12Pimpinellahi
10:34.39PimpinellaChestal: still there?
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14:22.25sn0w_d0ggybye all
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15:39.37Michaelhanyone ever seen the tomb of napoleon?
15:40.12Tuponewhere is it?
15:40.28MichaelhIn paris...
15:40.40Michaelhnext to the Army Museum
15:41.01Tuponeis not a la Madaleain 8
15:41.14Tuponeor something like that
15:41.16Michaelh?
15:41.35Tuponeis not in a church (somethink like a church)?
15:41.47MichaelhCertainly looks like a church
15:41.59Michaelhhas a big done, all sorts of decorations
15:42.05TuponeI think I've seen last year, but not so sure
15:42.17Michaelhdifferent domes around it with several other dead persons
15:42.29MichaelhFreaking huge coffin for napolean
15:42.51MichaelhI mean who needs to be burried in a bus sized coffin?
15:43.40Michaelhthat's only a slight exageration too
15:44.18TuponeI've seen :( it's at "Les Invalides" I was near but not in
15:44.26Tuponenot seen , sry
15:45.17MichaelhWell it was quite interesting but it makes you wonder about all the bother over those few famous people in the world
15:46.24TuponeYou came from Paris, IC!
15:48.34MichaelhI came to paris :)
15:48.53MichaelhI'm from the US, Minneapolis
15:49.31TuponeYeah, but You come back from Paris to US. That I mean
15:49.54Michaelhnope still here
15:50.13MichaelhComing to you live via not very free dial up service
15:50.39Michaelhin Asinere -- suburb little north and west of paris
15:51.00Michaelhland of the non-pronounced s's
15:51.18MichaelhYou're from Italy, aren't you?
15:51.27TuponeRome
15:55.03MichaelhWent up on the arc de triumph -- they *really* could use an elevator...
15:56.27Tuponehave you been to the Orsay
15:56.37Michaelhno
15:56.59TuponeLot of art in here
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15:58.39Michaelhhmmm ..
16:00.41Nidhoggr~bzflist
16:00.52MichaelhI see that's near the Louvre.. Is that modern art or some particular thing?
16:01.24Nidhoggrscipio tried to put bzflag.secretplace.us back to hostname instead of IP last night and it wouldn't work.
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16:01.45Nidhoggrhad to switch back to IP
16:02.48GenRommelmorning!
16:02.54Nidhoggrhiya rommel
16:03.38GenRommelNidhoggr - guess you're the only ome awake :)
16:03.53NidhoggrI just woke up. :)
16:03.59Nidhoggrit was nice to sleep in.
16:04.16NidhoggrI've been considering playing a little bz
16:05.02MichaelhIn the army museum I saw this picture of Hitler standing with a couple of his buddies in front of the eiffel tower. I just had to get a picture of that.
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16:05.59orchidhello
16:06.03Nidhoggrhiya
16:06.04GenRommelhey - does anybody know why bzflag crashes when I try to use AGPx2?
16:06.09GenRommelhey bzg
16:06.17orchidhi rommel
16:06.26Nidhoggrit's shouldn't rommel, it's probably some wierd combo with your card and drivers.
16:06.31Nidhoggrwhat card?
16:06.38orchidrommel linux?
16:06.42GenRommelgood old matrox g400
16:06.45Nidhoggrah
16:06.47Nidhoggrhrm
16:07.01GenRommelXFree86 4.2.1
16:07.10Nidhoggryou'd think you'd see a lot of other people complaining about the same problem.
16:07.15GenRommelon linux, but of course :)
16:07.22Nidhoggrnod
16:08.21GenRommelAGPx1 works :-/
16:08.31Nidhoggrthat's wierd.
16:08.36GenRommeland AGPx2 also works until I try to run bzflag
16:09.07Nidhoggrmaybe submit it as a bug on sourceforge?
16:09.27Nidhoggror the support section, since someone might have seen it before.
16:09.27GenRommeli will - i just wanted to see if anybody else has the same issue
16:10.18GenRommelhow about a little bzflag? i need to bail in 20 mins
16:10.25Nidhoggr:)
16:10.31orchidRommel any other GL games crash in agp2?
16:10.32NidhoggrI'm headed for secretplace.
16:10.40orchidlike tuxracer
16:11.03GenRommelbzgirl - i'm not really a gamer
16:11.18orchidneither am i :)
16:11.30david_vtuxracer is a must for any Linux user :)
16:11.40GenRommelbut opengl visualiser for xmms worked for me yesterday when i was testing
16:11.43orchidyes, its a stress therapy tool, not a game
16:11.47david_vhehe
16:12.10david_vGenRommel: and glxgears and glxinfo, do they return anything interesting?
16:12.59GenRommelOpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI G400 20010622 AGP 1x x86/MMX/3DNow! OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 3.4.2
16:13.22GenRommelI'll do some more testing later in the day
16:13.28david_vhm maybe the driver is the issue?
16:13.37david_vit seems quite... old
16:14.06GenRommelit's from Debian/unstable
16:14.50david_vright, it's possible there is no newer one. but it's also possible that the driver is causing this problem
16:15.01orchidGenRommel: I run Sid and that version of X np with AGP2
16:15.17GenRommeleh, what am i complaining about? just yesterday i finally read the manual and found out that I didn't have hardware accelerated openGL all this time because I was running X in 24bit mode... :-p
16:15.20orchidso its likely something else
16:15.22david_vwell i run AGP4x here... no problem with it
16:15.49GenRommelbefore that I was running software emulation opengl... :)
16:15.53david_vhehe
16:16.03david_vthat's sloooowwww.. (just in case you didn't notice ;)
16:16.18GenRommeli still run bzflag in low quality mode
16:16.26GenRommeldon't need to see all the shadows and textures
16:16.29GenRommelit's distracting
16:16.39david_vyou think so? hm. never thought about it
16:16.43GenRommelbut now i get 180fps instead of 25-40fps
16:16.51david_vpersonally i get distracted without textures :)
16:18.01GenRommelorchid - hmmm... maybe mgag400 driver, maybe my card is malfunctioning
16:18.08GenRommelneed to open the case and dust it off :)
16:18.39GenRommelremove the card, rub the contacts with alcohol, reinsert :)
16:20.25david_vhm :)
16:20.46david_vyou'll probably get more unpredictable pictures from a drunk card
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16:26.03david_vGenRommel: not sure if this affects you, but did you toggle the proper AGP bus speed setting in BIOS?
16:27.54MichaelhHas britain ever switched to Euros or are they using pounds ? -- mildly off topic...
16:28.02david_vpounds :)
16:28.24Michaelhbastages!
16:28.39david_vwell i'm probably a bastard too then ;)
16:28.48david_vi don't live in England, but in Sweden
16:29.15MichaelhI already lost 20 percent when I'm in france ...
16:29.26Michaelhto convert to euros
16:30.00david_vhm
16:30.39Michaelhoh well
16:32.08Michaelhwould you happen to know where waterloo international is ? :)
16:34.30GenRommeldavid_v - i'll check if there's a setting
16:35.21david_v~google waterloo international
16:35.32GenRommelhey guys - what's your opinion of CHF/EUR? :)
16:36.06david_vdoh i should have used quotes. but anyway, the first link from Google is quite ok
16:37.02Michaelhpfft I just need a map of london I think
16:37.16Michaelhwould be cool if it wasn't in french ;)
16:37.51david_vheh
16:37.56TuponeMichaelh: Orsay Museum hosts some painting from Van Gog, Cezanne, Gogain etc
16:38.29Michaelhhmmm
16:44.09Nidhoggranyone have rotating server scripts?
16:46.26orchidNidhoggr: yes
16:46.33Nidhoggr:)
16:46.45Nidhoggrmight I convince you to share?
16:46.59Nidhoggrmy kitty is trying to tell me a story.
16:47.16Nidhoggrtoo bad I don't speak kitty.. because it sounds like it is pretty intense.
16:48.57orchidhttp://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/rotate
16:49.05Nidhoggrthank you!
16:49.37orchidif you want to log, do the logging outside of the conf file
16:49.41orchidor it wont work
16:49.52Nidhoggrhrm.
16:49.59Nidhoggrour server logging code is different.
16:50.00orchidbzfs -g -conf $CONF -d >> log.log
16:50.08Nidhoggrah.
16:50.09Nidhoggrokie.
16:52.11Nidhoggris that second 'done' accidental?  there is only 1 'do'
16:52.41Nidhoggrnever mind
16:52.45NidhoggrI see other do ;)
16:52.54Nidhoggrand needs coffee.
16:52.58orchid:)
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16:59.15Nidhoggrmorning JB
16:59.35JBdiGrizg'morning
17:00.36Tuponeg'morning JB. progress on DSN?
17:00.44TuponeDNS :)
17:00.51orchidNidhoggr: i had some problems though, a server might not always rotate if for example a ghosted player was left on
17:01.17GenRommelok I have to run - if anybody sees BaDiN - please tell him I'll be back around 6pm Eastern, ok? :)
17:01.30GenRommelBiPs need to play some games this weekend!
17:01.34JBdiGrizI haven't switched things around yet. I remember the issue I had was with NAT on the DSL line.
17:11.16Nidhoggralso having same issue with list server as before where I have to use IP instead of hostname.
17:16.28*** join/#bzflag Mayhem (~Mayhem@dsl-217-155-141-174.zen.co.uk)
17:17.06MayhemDamn, scared her off ;)
17:17.44david_vyep. go to the corner and put shame on yourself :)
17:20.52david_v:)
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17:40.27Legolas~d
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17:57.34Legolas~d
18:34.04Mayhemlooks like we need some sanity checks on the email field
18:35.03david_vyep...
18:35.34[dmp]"You're not sane enough to enter you email" ? :-)
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18:35.42*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ
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19:00.53*** join/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p50910943.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
19:01.06strayerhi.. :o)
19:01.12Hornethey strayer
19:01.31Quolhello all
19:02.22Hornet~d
19:02.26Hornethey quol
19:02.28strayerhi Quol ;)
19:02.42strayerHornet: do U play sometimes?
19:03.28Hornetim legolas :0
19:03.32Hornet:)
19:03.41strayerahhhh :-)
19:04.19JBdiGrizwb quol
19:04.19strayerand why is here another client using Ur nick?
19:04.31Quolty JBdiGriz - how R ya?
19:04.41JBdiGrizdoing ok
19:04.42Hornetbecause my dad is on the other computer
19:04.51QuolI just installed my new LG super-multi writer :)
19:05.22strayerHornet: hm...what does Ur dad do in this channel? ;)
19:05.37Hornethe was playing BZ
19:06.05strayeroh..nice..I cannot imagine my dad would do this..
19:06.21strayerQuol: what is a ' super-multi writer'?!? -> a simple dvd-writer?
19:06.38JBdiGrizI'm just finishing installing my hp photosmart printers. They finally released the software I was working on a year ago.
19:07.01Quolstrayer: it's great - a dvd+ and a dvd- writer, plus a DVD-RAM and cd-r(rw)
19:07.44*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-160-65.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
19:08.06strayerah...a friend bought this too...is is very pleased with it...
19:12.06Quolya - i am fooling around with it now...so far so good, the software package is good also
19:12.22QuolI am going to shoot some tanks....BBL
19:12.44strayergood shooting :o)...
19:27.38Hornet~d
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19:31.11rembobadin?
19:32.21strayerhey rembo
19:33.57rembohe strayer
19:34.02rembohow are ya
19:35.03strayergood...like always :] ...and U?
19:35.23remboyeah. pretty good.
19:35.35remboI have a job now.... Jobs cost time!
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19:35.49*** join/#bzflag |tim| (~|tim|@ip68-106-184-191.sb.sd.cox.net)
19:36.02strayerthat means U have less time to play bzflag now?....bad job ;)
19:36.08rembohehe
19:36.19remboActually the main fault is my aging computer
19:36.44rembosomebody upgraded X but they forgot to test my videocard. I can's see bullets now
19:36.48strayerhm...so U have to work hard to earn money 4 a new one :)
19:37.01remboYes :) That's what I thought
19:37.02strayerhehe...funny playing then..
19:37.42strayerhm...do U see the shots on radar? > then it's no problem... ;)
19:37.56rembono. that's were I dion't see them
19:38.08rembosmall lines are sometimes gone
19:38.34remboi think it is being rendered by some hardware acceleration thingh my video card doesn't work with
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19:38.40remboit was ok before..
19:38.43Big_Barrelcarnage!!!
19:38.45Big_Barreltim!!!
19:38.47rembonhe barrel
19:38.49Big_Barrellets match someone :)
19:38.50strayerhmmmm...strange
19:38.53strayernhi Big_Barrel
19:38.55Big_Barrelhey strayer!
19:38.56rembome? me?
19:39.04Big_BarrelBipS vs How?
19:39.16strayerCarnage is playing actually
19:39.18rembolet me see who my teammates are and if they are online
19:39.23Big_Barrelok :)
19:39.23strayeron ducati:5155
19:39.29Big_Barrelwho is?
19:39.35Hornet~d
19:39.43Big_Barrelwho is on ducati 5155?
19:39.54Big_BarrelBadin is online rembo!!!
19:39.56Big_Barrellets match
19:39.57rembobadin is on 5156
19:40.00strayercarnage and quol with 2 UK-players
19:40.27strayerBig_Barrel: sry... I was meaning ducati:59999
19:40.42strayerman...I'm getting old... :o)
19:45.06Big_Barrelyes we are about to match on proxs.bzflag.org:7000
19:46.11Big_Barreljb you there?
19:56.39Hornet~d
20:11.29*** join/#bzflag WOOWOO (~MacIsBack@balt-209-163-100-158.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net)
20:16.55Chestalhi MAC, no longer blind?
20:17.15MrApathyCreami can see, i can see
20:17.21david_v:)
20:19.14MrApathyCreamgood thing too, i had a win/loss ratio in bz of 1/4, ... not very fun
20:22.35MrApathyCreambbiab
20:25.26Hornet~d
20:31.22TuponeMrApathyCream: hi
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20:54.41sn0w_d0ggyhi all
20:54.50Carnagehey Merry :0
20:54.58Carnageanyone seen tlz today?
20:55.51sn0w_d0ggyummm...no
20:57.02*** join/#bzflag |tim| (~|tim|@ip68-106-184-191.sb.sd.cox.net)
20:58.20sn0w_d0ggyhey tim
20:58.27Big_Barrelwb timmmaaahh
20:59.15sn0w_d0ggyhi big butt ;)
21:00.32Big_Barrelhi dog lover
21:00.34Big_Barrellol
21:01.34|tim|hiya
21:01.59sn0w_d0ggyLoL
21:03.13Big_Barrelanyone want a match???!!!
21:07.42sn0w_d0ggyi wish we could
21:07.43sn0w_d0ggy:(
21:07.54sn0w_d0ggySpace Biker is "gOnE:
21:07.55sn0w_d0ggy"
21:07.56sn0w_d0ggy*
21:23.59Big_Barrelanyone want a match???!!!
21:26.56sn0w_d0ggyi guess not
21:27.00sn0w_d0ggy:evil:
21:27.02sn0w_d0ggy;)
21:49.00*** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-133-197.ADSL.mnsi.net)
21:49.17sn0w_d0ggyhi carny
21:49.56Carnagehi :(
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22:01.07*** join/#bzflag purple_cow (~jupiter@navi.cs.colorado.edu)
22:02.25Big_Barrelanyone want a match???!!!
22:06.41*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-96-102.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
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22:20.13Big_Barrelhey carange
22:20.23Carnagehi
22:20.25Big_Barreli am trying to ask David_V for a match
22:20.29Carnagestill no tlz?
22:20.33Big_Barrelbut he is not responding
22:20.37Big_Barrelnope...no TLZ
22:20.37Carnage:(
22:20.42Carnage:(
22:20.46Big_Barreldabomb is on ducati
22:20.56Big_Barreltry and get david_v to join him
22:23.59*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (~MeBigFatG@balt-209-163-100-186.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net)
22:24.24Big_Barrelhi apathy cream
22:25.14MrApathyCreamhowdy
22:29.15TuponeMrApathyCream: hi
22:29.39MrApathyCreamhi tupone
22:30.53*** join/#bzflag Dave2 (~dave@80.176.146.82)
22:31.46Tuponegood to hear you're back
22:32.01MrApathyCreamthanks
22:32.09MrApathyCreamglad to be back
22:32.11MrApathyCream:)
22:32.30Tuponehave you fixed all with your AGP
22:32.32Dave2grr, why's nobody playing CVS bzflag :P
22:33.06MrApathyCreamwhere u wanna play?
22:33.13Dave2anywhere?
22:33.28MrApathyCreamummm
22:33.29MrApathyCreamlesseee
22:34.09Dave2warning: my machine may freeze. It tends to do that during heavy load...
22:34.10MrApathyCreamerg, building, one sec
22:34.55MrApathyCreamhow bout imajica
22:34.57Big_Barrelanyone want a match?
22:35.30Dave2imajica?
22:35.35Dave2k, is that a default server?
22:36.00Dave2yes
22:36.02Dave2it is
22:36.04Dave2OK, going there
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22:38.14Dave2MrApathyCream: you there?
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22:46.28Big_Barrelbock bock
22:46.35Big_Barrelchicka chicka
22:46.55TuponeDave2: we where there
22:47.00MrApathyCreamout of bounds kick
22:47.06MrApathyCreamDave2: we were waiting for you
22:47.21MrApathyCreamgoing back
22:47.23Dave2hmm
22:47.25Dave2I couldn't see you
22:47.28Dave2what server/port?
22:47.35Big_Barrelcommon and match fortrix!
22:47.43TuponeDave2: the 1st server
22:47.46Dave2ah
22:47.51Dave2Said 0 people on it o_O
22:48.09Dave2won't be long, just let this compile first...
22:48.44MrApathyCreamok
22:48.53MrApathyCreamimajica:4444
22:48.56Dave2ah
22:49.01Dave2that was the 2nd one for me...
22:50.22*** part/#bzflag luigi (~luigi@c3eea265b.cable.wanadoo.nl)
22:50.43Dave2I'm in BTW...
22:56.09*** join/#bzflag GenRommel (~gene@24-193-122-221.nj.rr.com)
23:00.07Big_Barrelhowdy rommel :)
23:03.30Big_Barrelcarnage!!!!!!!!!
23:20.26Dave2I got killed 100 times
23:20.30Dave2that's enough for me ;)
23:20.48MrApathyCreamheh
23:21.06MrApathyCreamthose worlds are slightly obsessive on world weapons :)
23:21.11Dave2yeeeees
23:21.25Dave2respawn->get blown up
23:24.47Dave2heh
23:24.55Dave2I wonder why BSD stories on /. attract so many trolls
23:27.29TuponeMrApathyCream: so we got two more bug
23:27.46MrApathyCream?
23:27.49Tupone1 is spawning outside the world
23:28.00MrApathyCreamoooof
23:28.08MrApathyCreamin a specific case?
23:28.15Tupone2 solo robot should react to world weapons
23:28.37MrApathyCreammeaning should avoid them?
23:29.03MrApathyCreamroger probably needs to do that too
23:29.07TuponeI didn't see 1 bot dieing for world weapon
23:29.14MrApathyCreamah
23:29.14MrApathyCreamok
23:34.16MrApathyCreamtupone, when does one spawn outside the world, any idea?
23:34.54TuponeNo idea. It's happening to you. No?
23:35.02CIA03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): solo bots can now be killed by world weapons
23:35.24MrApathyCreamwell, i do get kicked
23:35.34MrApathyCream(after death, and before respawn)
23:35.47MrApathyCreamso i'm not sure it's the respawn, but it certainly could be
23:36.10Tuponecould be the limit are vertical?
23:36.40MrApathyCreamcould be, would be nice if the message was changed to explain how you were out of bounds
23:37.03MrApathyCreamx,y or z and what the value was
23:37.04MrApathyCreammaybe i'll change that
23:37.50MrApathyCreamah it does
23:38.01MrApathyCreameither x/y or (z jump to high)
23:38.06MrApathyCreami think it was z jump to high
23:40.17gonkulators/hides/lurks/
23:42.05MrApathyCreamwha, where?
23:42.16gonkulator:-D
23:42.18MrApathyCreami don't see anything obvious in the spawn code
23:42.52TuponeYou are moving player horizontally to not be inside building
23:42.53MrApathyCreamperhaps in a non jump world
23:43.03MrApathyCreamvertically
23:43.09Tuponeyeah, I mean that
23:43.21MrApathyCreamyes, but as lone as you are < maxWorldHeight
23:43.24MrApathyCreamyou should be ok
23:43.31Tuponenegative?
23:43.38MrApathyCreamnegative possibly
23:43.39MrApathyCreamlessee
23:44.15MrApathyCreamif (state.pos[2]<BZDB->eval(StateDatabase::BZDB_BURROWDEPTH) + -0.5) {
23:46.09Tuponethats the kicking code?
23:47.32MrApathyCreamcould be
23:47.37MrApathyCreamdunno
23:48.07TuponeIf we have the log, I C position is logged
23:50.13TuponeAnother thing related to spawning code:
23:50.39TuponeI feel that rogue joining ctf game start at 0
23:51.03TuponeI think they are looking for a base

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