| 00:01.11 | trepan | don't you have a private copy in bzadmin/ ? |
| 00:01.38 | larsl | No, it's copied from ../bzflag when you run make. |
| 00:02.15 | trepan | could do an sed substitution |
| 00:03.13 | trepan | anyways, did the (errno != EINTR) check, and it does dump out for a few extra frames |
| 00:04.13 | trepan | another CommError shows up though, probably a length thing |
| 00:04.22 | trepan | stick the select in a while loop? |
| 00:05.12 | TimRiker | ~lart brlcad |
| 00:05.44 | TimRiker | source is broken... automake checks fail here, utin*_t types can't be found, etc. |
| 00:07.58 | TimRiker | trepan: resize does send a signal. SIGWINCH iirc. |
| 00:08.18 | larsl | TimRiker: Yes. Catching it doesn't help though. |
| 00:08.19 | trepan | yup, that's it |
| 00:08.53 | trepan | larsl: helps a bit, I think select needs to go into a while loop |
| 00:09.07 | larsl | Which select? |
| 00:09.08 | trepan | also, instead of sed, you could just apply a patch |
| 00:12.39 | larsl | I'm too tired to fix this now... |
| 00:12.44 | larsl | Good night. |
| 00:21.23 | trepan | got a fix for larsl... too bad he's gone |
| 00:27.37 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): revert brokenness, must support old automake |
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| 01:10.13 | Patlabor221 | hallo orchid, haveing a good weekend? |
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| 01:29.55 | Big_Barrel | match anyone? |
| 01:30.09 | JBdiGriz | still smoking? |
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| 01:33.41 | Big_Barrel | we are on ducati |
| 01:33.50 | Big_Barrel | DM is there |
| 01:38.05 | Carnage | noodleman u here? |
| 01:38.22 | Big_Barrel | noodleman? |
| 01:39.17 | Big_Barrel | carnage how do you know noodle man wants match? |
| 01:39.26 | Carnage | his temmate does |
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| 01:39.39 | Carnage | Jaguar |
| 01:40.16 | Noodleman | Carnage, Big_Barrel: i'm here |
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| 01:41.37 | Carnage | nvm jaguar told me its to late now |
| 01:43.10 | Noodleman | ok |
| 01:43.44 | Big_Barrel | noodle: find jaguar |
| 01:43.47 | Big_Barrel | lets match :) |
| 01:43.56 | Big_Barrel | nvm |
| 01:43.59 | Big_Barrel | come quick |
| 01:44.05 | Big_Barrel | jaguar is on q2.bzflag.org |
| 01:44.09 | Big_Barrel | 8083 |
| 01:44.12 | Big_Barrel | come quick |
| 01:44.21 | Noodleman | i just reinstalled everything |
| 01:44.31 | Noodleman | i have to reinstall bzflag, then i'll be there |
| 01:44.56 | Big_Barrel | ok meet us at q2.bzflag.org:8083 :) |
| 01:44.58 | Big_Barrel | cu there :) |
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| 01:48.35 | Big_Barrel | noodle u there? |
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| 02:21.45 | Big_Barrel | noodle? |
| 02:21.57 | Big_Barrel | you want some pointers with jag? |
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| 08:02.48 | bomber | moin |
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| 11:25.09 | orchid | moin |
| 11:27.50 | orchid | ? |
| 11:31.11 | bomber | moin |
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| 14:40.42 | Zarquon | Anyone Here? |
| 14:41.07 | Zarquon | Just started a bzflag league team, and I am wondering, is this the place to get a game going? |
| 14:42.55 | bryjen | sometimes players are here. mostly developers and lurkers. |
| 14:43.55 | Zarquon | So, in spite of the faq on www.bzflag.org/league, this isn't the best place to get a pick-up league game? I am better off trying to post through the forums or whatever? |
| 14:44.27 | bryjen | The forums on the league site or at bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 14:47.35 | bryjen | scheduling a match is probly best done on the forums. the irc can be used as meeting place just before the match to make sure everyone showed up and is able to play. |
| 14:47.55 | Chestal | Zarquon: if you want to plan a ahead, it's probably best to use bzbb. I think that most matches aren't really scheduled, but happen, i.e. when people meet on the public CTF servers (e.g. ducati) |
| 14:52.51 | Zarquon | ah. Ok, thanks! |
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| 15:39.46 | MrFish_ | hello |
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| 15:50.42 | Chestal | hi orchid |
| 15:50.48 | orchid | hello |
| 15:55.11 | Noodleman | http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html |
| 15:55.16 | Noodleman | anybody see this? |
| 15:58.05 | Chestal | I haven't |
| 16:03.08 | Chestal | hmm, Chris says that he still plays, I haven't seen him for ages, though |
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| 16:48.33 | JBdiGriz | Interesting article, It should be added to the web site along with the article it references. |
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| 16:55.43 | Michaelh | multicast.cxx |
| 16:55.43 | Michaelh | E:\bzflag\src\net\multicast.cxx(427) : error C2065: 'socklen_t' : undeclared identifier |
| 16:57.01 | Michaelh | need to include network.h ?? |
| 16:57.03 | Patlabor221 | run your autoconf |
| 16:58.08 | Michaelh | vc++ ? |
| 16:58.30 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 16:58.37 | Michaelh | ah so |
| 16:58.42 | Patlabor221 | make sure config.h is included then |
| 16:58.56 | Patlabor221 | it has the #def for it |
| 17:00.32 | Michaelh | it has no defs in it :) |
| 17:00.48 | Michaelh | err not that particular def |
| 17:02.01 | Michaelh | still does it |
| 17:04.02 | Michaelh | #define socklen_t int -- now it works :) |
| 17:04.21 | Patlabor221 | what version of VC? |
| 17:04.25 | Michaelh | 6 |
| 17:04.34 | Michaelh | have you moved beyond? |
| 17:04.36 | Patlabor221 | depending on what OS SDK you have |
| 17:04.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 17:04.39 | Patlabor221 | 7.1` |
| 17:04.45 | Michaelh | enterprise edition |
| 17:05.00 | Patlabor221 | notice the VC6 and VC71 folders in /win32 in BZ CVS now |
| 17:05.16 | Michaelh | yeppers |
| 17:05.32 | Michaelh | 71 isnt 7 though right? |
| 17:05.43 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 17:05.53 | Patlabor221 | 7 is 7 71 is 7.1 |
| 17:05.57 | Patlabor221 | .net 2k3 |
| 17:05.57 | Michaelh | so 7 can eat the 6 version files |
| 17:06.08 | Patlabor221 | it can update yes |
| 17:06.10 | Patlabor221 | 7.0 sucked tho |
| 17:06.12 | Patlabor221 | get 7.1 |
| 17:06.16 | Patlabor221 | seriously |
| 17:06.28 | Patlabor221 | they fixed a lot of the bugs in 7.0 |
| 17:06.32 | Patlabor221 | I can acualy use 7.1 |
| 17:06.45 | Michaelh | ServerLink.cxx(392) : error C2065: 'socklen_t' : undeclared identifier |
| 17:07.14 | Patlabor221 | what version of BZ are you trying to build? |
| 17:07.36 | Michaelh | latest afaik |
| 17:07.53 | Michaelh | I just put the defines in and it works |
| 17:09.10 | Patlabor221 | 1.9 should build right out of the box |
| 17:09.21 | Patlabor221 | that's what the config.h is for |
| 17:09.48 | Michaelh | irk screen is fubared |
| 17:10.46 | Michaelh | perhaps this is that state thing you are talking about |
| 17:11.23 | Patlabor221 | look like the ground is jacked |
| 17:11.30 | Patlabor221 | and it's not erasing stuff? |
| 17:11.44 | Michaelh | yep |
| 17:11.53 | Michaelh | and my taskbar is no more |
| 17:11.53 | Patlabor221 | yup that's part of it |
| 17:12.13 | Michaelh | just some empty space there |
| 17:12.15 | Michaelh | lol |
| 17:12.55 | Michaelh | I don't even have real opengl |
| 17:13.29 | Patlabor221 | sure you do |
| 17:13.38 | Patlabor221 | any openGL dll is "real" openGL |
| 17:13.43 | Michaelh | heh |
| 17:13.44 | Patlabor221 | you just don't have a hardware implemenation |
| 17:14.08 | Patlabor221 | but it is suposed to be pixel compatable with any other implemenation |
| 17:14.11 | Patlabor221 | just slower |
| 17:14.17 | Patlabor221 | so it will behave the same |
| 17:14.51 | Patlabor221 | the same GL calls are being made by BZ regardless of the orgin of the openGL implemenation. |
| 17:14.59 | Patlabor221 | unless it's a 3dFX |
| 17:15.05 | Michaelh | nope |
| 17:15.13 | Patlabor221 | I know it's not |
| 17:15.15 | Patlabor221 | that was a joke |
| 17:15.18 | Michaelh | ElCrapo2D |
| 17:15.25 | Patlabor221 | if it was, you would not be using it for windows |
| 17:15.35 | Patlabor221 | as the first 2 voodoo cards were 3d only |
| 17:15.54 | Michaelh | doubt they fit well into laptops either |
| 17:16.02 | Patlabor221 | it's just a chip |
| 17:16.14 | Michaelh | hmm |
| 17:16.26 | Patlabor221 | a good number of laptops have ATI rage mobility chips |
| 17:16.32 | Patlabor221 | those will do some hardware |
| 17:16.37 | Patlabor221 | just not much |
| 17:16.38 | Michaelh | PIII 500 mhw |
| 17:16.46 | Michaelh | PII mobility |
| 17:16.46 | Patlabor221 | what chipset? |
| 17:16.49 | Michaelh | PIII |
| 17:16.51 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.57 | Patlabor221 | what video chipset |
| 17:17.06 | Michaelh | Neomagic something |
| 17:17.08 | Patlabor221 | my celly 333 had a rage pro mobility M4 in it |
| 17:17.10 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 17:17.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah that is a 2d only |
| 17:17.19 | Michaelh | heh |
| 17:17.27 | Patlabor221 | it's not a bad 2d chipset |
| 17:18.40 | Michaelh | well I have to be off -- time to leave work |
| 17:18.58 | Michaelh | see if I can even shut this machine down |
| 17:19.45 | Michaelh | So someone is just writing giberish in some opengl call? |
| 17:20.48 | Michaelh | hmm I'll look at it later |
| 17:20.53 | Patlabor221 | no, the state is not being set right |
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| 17:23.14 | Noodleman | neomagic is evil |
| 17:23.41 | Noodleman | for a long time, they refused to release either specs or a driver for X for their cards |
| 17:23.51 | JBdiGriz | Are you sure it isn't "good-challenged"? |
| 17:23.56 | Noodleman | haha |
| 17:23.58 | Noodleman | maybe :-) |
| 17:24.16 | Patlabor221 | that's a company thing, for us who have OSs that have drivers, the hardware was decent |
| 17:24.51 | JBdiGriz | Did they only write drivers for one OS? |
| 17:24.57 | Noodleman | i think they finally released the specs |
| 17:25.33 | Patlabor221 | the make windows drivers |
| 17:25.38 | bryjen | that's not evil. just stupid hardware people. "If we tell them how it works they go build one themselves." Instead of "These guys would write a driver and expand our market for us" |
| 17:25.42 | Patlabor221 | just like everyone else on the planet does |
| 17:26.18 | JBdiGriz | The belief that "No one ever got fired for choosing Microsoft" |
| 17:26.45 | Noodleman | i do understand why nvidia refused to release the specs, or an OSS driver |
| 17:26.55 | Noodleman | but at least they released a driver |
| 17:26.59 | JBdiGriz | Twenty years ago, that was IBM, but OS2 changed a number of minds. |
| 17:27.13 | Patlabor221 | and they released an API to there mid level API |
| 17:27.14 | JBdiGriz | and it wasn't a bad product. |
| 17:27.31 | Patlabor221 | ATI would love to get those drivers |
| 17:27.38 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 17:27.52 | bryjen | someone at IBM chose Microsoft to do the OS for the PC. |
| 17:28.02 | Noodleman | nvidia made a good tactical decision there |
| 17:28.04 | Patlabor221 | "what, they have a stable gl implemnation!?!?! Get us that" |
| 17:28.31 | JBdiGriz | bryjen: I have heard multiple versions of that story. |
| 17:28.56 | Noodleman | i'm sure millions of linux people like me always choose nvidia because it just works |
| 17:29.03 | Patlabor221 | isnt one of them that they called the CMS guy, his wife answered, told them off, then they called MS? |
| 17:29.21 | bryjen | But would the time they'd spend looking at code help them make a better peice of silicon? And even if it did, would NV not have moved on to something better in the meantime? |
| 17:29.22 | Patlabor221 | windows people chose nvidia cus it just works :) |
| 17:29.44 | JBdiGriz | yes, and one is that the guy decided to blow off the meeting with IBM, and go flying instead. |
| 17:29.49 | Patlabor221 | nvidia is allways changing there stuff |
| 17:30.16 | Patlabor221 | tho they didn't get the next Xbox contract |
| 17:30.23 | Patlabor221 | at least not for the GFX processor |
| 17:30.32 | Patlabor221 | they may still get the media system |
| 17:30.50 | Noodleman | i wish they'd make a driver for ppc linux |
| 17:30.58 | bryjen | Leave the API stable, publish that for the devs, change the underlying hardware all you want. |
| 17:31.13 | Patlabor221 | they have an API, and I think it's published |
| 17:31.26 | Patlabor221 | when you build the drivers, you build the interface layer for that API |
| 17:31.41 | bryjen | Just knowing the interface shouldnt give away how the circuitry works |
| 17:32.01 | Patlabor221 | tho I don't know how X drivers work, I hear it involves voodoo and magic |
| 17:32.14 | JBdiGriz | Knowing the interface, and having a logic analyzer can give you insights into how the circuitry works. |
| 17:32.18 | bryjen | maybe i used the wrong term the. The interface to the hardware, not the API of their black-box drivers. |
| 17:33.03 | Patlabor221 | there hardware inteface is tuned directl to it's innards, it changes with each card |
| 17:33.09 | Patlabor221 | thats why they have the driver layer |
| 17:33.15 | Patlabor221 | and can have one driver that runs all cards |
| 17:33.19 | Patlabor221 | so it would show how they do it |
| 17:33.55 | Patlabor221 | the hardware takes stuff in card specific formats |
| 17:33.55 | Patlabor221 | for speed |
| 17:33.55 | bryjen | their drivers have a HAL of sorts? |
| 17:33.55 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:34.14 | Patlabor221 | thats how on windows they can build the GL and direct X drivers on top of the same core kernel |
| 17:34.31 | Patlabor221 | thats one thing that keeps them solid |
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| 17:34.51 | Patlabor221 | with each new chip they just have to wory about making the chip fit into this HAL api, then it works with the drivers |
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| 17:35.06 | Patlabor221 | they don't have to redo the GL or DX drivers each time |
| 17:35.33 | bryjen | appropriate layering and modularity are a Good Thing(tm) |
| 17:35.35 | bryjen | :) |
| 17:35.35 | Patlabor221 | so that black box is just the HAL part, and I think there is an API to that |
| 17:36.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah they are really playing it smart, it's difrent from all the other mfgs, it lets them get to market faster. |
| 17:37.20 | JBdiGriz | What's the larger market, 3d cards for PC's or for game consoles? |
| 17:37.41 | Patlabor221 | PCs |
| 17:37.54 | Patlabor221 | the console chipsets is a side deal |
| 17:38.05 | Patlabor221 | they don't even use the same chips |
| 17:38.09 | Patlabor221 | they are all custom jobs |
| 17:38.31 | JBdiGriz | I would suspect they sell far more for the consoles than the PCs. |
| 17:38.40 | Patlabor221 | not really |
| 17:38.53 | Patlabor221 | there are about 5 million Xboxes out there |
| 17:39.04 | Patlabor221 | there a a LOT more PCs world wide |
| 17:39.11 | Patlabor221 | also consoles don't get upgraded |
| 17:39.39 | JBdiGriz | That's a good thing, they get replaced every year. and Xbox isn't the number one selling console. |
| 17:40.00 | Patlabor221 | no it's not |
| 17:40.18 | Patlabor221 | most consoles have about a 5 year lifespan these days |
| 17:41.31 | Patlabor221 | the cube has an ATI chipset in it |
| 17:41.44 | Patlabor221 | the PS2 is the only one with in house sony chips |
| 17:41.53 | Patlabor221 | and it is a total pain in the ass to program for |
| 17:41.53 | JBdiGriz | I always notice there is a newer console every year, and a couple of games that are written just for the newer one. Luckily, my kids haven't gotten beyond the GBA. |
| 17:41.57 | Patlabor221 | there is NO OS |
| 17:42.09 | Patlabor221 | not every year |
| 17:42.17 | Patlabor221 | there is no new home console this year |
| 17:42.22 | Patlabor221 | and there wasn't one last year |
| 17:42.35 | Patlabor221 | the big 3 ploped them all down 2 years ago |
| 17:42.45 | Patlabor221 | the next gens will hit xmas of 2k5 |
| 17:43.02 | Patlabor221 | then each of the currents will go for 1-2 years past that |
| 17:43.22 | Patlabor221 | on the PS2 you have to do your own memory managment |
| 17:43.26 | Patlabor221 | there is no malloc or free |
| 17:43.51 | Patlabor221 | and all drawing is done by making minicode for the 2 exwcution units |
| 17:43.54 | Patlabor221 | it's horible |
| 17:44.13 | Patlabor221 | at least on the box and the cube there is some semblacene of a 3d API |
| 17:44.22 | JBdiGriz | It sounds like the beginnings of the PC industry. |
| 17:44.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:44.39 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 17:45.00 | Patlabor221 | the console makers are finding it benificial to use APIs similar to the PC |
| 17:45.05 | Patlabor221 | helps devs |
| 17:45.12 | Patlabor221 | cus a console is nothing without games |
| 17:45.15 | JBdiGriz | CPU's will get faster, memory will get cheaper, and it won't cost anything to have a "Game OS" running underneath the games so that they can get the games to market faster. |
| 17:45.45 | Patlabor221 | well on the Xbox the CPU and GFX card share the same ram |
| 17:46.00 | Patlabor221 | so the back end of the API is rather tricky ( but wicked fast) |
| 17:46.13 | Patlabor221 | and it's basicly runing a striped down version of 2k |
| 17:46.24 | Patlabor221 | with a specialised directX API |
| 17:46.36 | Patlabor221 | and it's helped a lot of devs move to it from the PC |
| 17:47.24 | Patlabor221 | hearing the PS2 dev discussions at GDC was horible |
| 17:47.26 | bryjen | ;) |
| 17:47.45 | Patlabor221 | it has a version of explorer, just not for the net |
| 17:48.00 | JBdiGriz | They said it couldn't be done in court. They didn't say anything about it couldn't be done in the market. ;) |
| 17:48.04 | Patlabor221 | it has some OS services for file browsing and stuff |
| 17:48.21 | Patlabor221 | ohh explorer is totaly tied to the OS now |
| 17:48.28 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.45 | Patlabor221 | it's basicly like KDE or Gnome |
| 17:48.54 | bryjen | a shell is not the OS. its just the UI. |
| 17:48.59 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:49.02 | JBdiGriz | Pick your definition of what an OS is. I still believe in small and simple. KDE, shell, etc are user space, not OS. |
| 17:49.10 | Patlabor221 | you could write another shell |
| 17:49.21 | Patlabor221 | but the base shell they use is explorer |
| 17:49.34 | bryjen | not inextricably tied like some might like you to believe |
| 17:49.35 | Patlabor221 | the command prompt is another shell on windows |
| 17:49.45 | bryjen | hmm |
| 17:49.51 | bryjen | ~spell inextricably |
| 17:49.53 | | 'inextricably' may be spelled correctly |
| 17:49.56 | bryjen | wow |
| 17:49.56 | Patlabor221 | some of the core windows services do use explorer tho, like the update stuff |
| 17:50.18 | bryjen | but did he use it correctly |
| 17:50.21 | bryjen | ~dict inextricably |
| 17:50.23 | JBdiGriz | Is the update stuff part of the kernel? I would hope not. |
| 17:50.37 | bryjen | ~dict inextricable |
| 17:50.47 | bryjen | woot! |
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| 17:56.57 | bryjen | hmm. There was another orchid recently, somebody@somewhere.rr.com. Do we have two? |
| 17:57.28 | orchid | i have a shell account that i use for other stuff |
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| 17:58.35 | KR | m00 |
| 17:58.37 | bryjen | whoops |
| 17:58.46 | bryjen | was it something I said? |
| 18:00.25 | Patlabor221 | didn't we have a talk about you scaring the girls away? |
| 18:00.37 | bryjen | Me? |
| 18:00.48 | Patlabor221 | ohh that was doug, sorry |
| 18:00.56 | bryjen | You and your pants. Or lack there of. :P |
| 18:01.12 | Patlabor221 | phear my pants |
| 18:01.48 | bryjen | There are no pants. http://patlabor221.bakadigital.com/archives/monthly/2003-11.html#2003-11-20T22_41_58.htm |
| 18:02.01 | Patlabor221 | look below |
| 18:02.16 | Patlabor221 | pants were found |
| 18:02.20 | bryjen | No. Especially not when there are no pants. |
| 18:02.25 | Patlabor221 | and a jaunty little hat :) |
| 18:02.26 | bryjen | ;) |
| 18:02.44 | bryjen | Ah |
| 18:02.58 | JBdiGriz | but you do not have a nice ass, even in those pictures. :) |
| 18:03.09 | Patlabor221 | damn strait :) |
| 18:03.38 | Patlabor221 | I figure if your gonna spend hours in game looking at an ass, better make it a nice ass |
| 18:04.45 | JBdiGriz | so update it to make it worth looking at. We definitely need to add customization to the backs of tanks for the observers following us. |
| 18:05.09 | Patlabor221 | it would be soo nice if I could run a list server on linux |
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| 19:41.47 | Bagheera | !weather annapolis,md |
| 19:41.56 | Guu | Bagheera: The current temperature in Annapolis, Maryland is 63°F. Conditions are Clear. |
| 19:42.27 | Bagheera | !botsnack |
| 19:42.27 | Guu | Burrrrrrp, ahhhhhhhh |
| 19:55.24 | JBdiGriz | My dsl is being upgraded in a week. from 384/128 to 768-1500/256, and the price is the same. :) |
| 19:59.19 | ElectricElf | JBdiGriz: We got one of those a while ago, providers who do that rock :) |
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| 20:00.51 | JBdiGriz | I wish they had done that automatically, rather than waiting for me to call. |
| 20:01.08 | ElectricElf | Oh, you had to call? That sort of sucks. |
| 20:01.27 | ElectricElf | Still, better than not having the option at all - and they probably wouldn't be able to do it at that price if they automatically upgraded everybody. |
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| 20:03.43 | JBdiGriz | My current contract ends in a couple of months, so I figured I had more leverage now, than if I waited. It turns out that I should probably check more often. |
| 20:04.01 | bryjen | Standard procedure for a telco. They're happy for you to go on paying your origional rates even if new ones are available. Think cell phone contracts. |
| 20:04.34 | JBdiGriz | They still want an extra $40 per month for the static IP addresses. I'll stick with my $10 per month dialup which gives me the static. |
| 20:05.36 | ElectricElf | bryjen: Sure, and I don't begrudge them that usually; at least for most businesses, it lets them give better service for lower prices to the people who actually care enough to jump through the hoop. |
| 20:06.09 | ElectricElf | bryjen: (In our case they just did it automagically for everybody, but there are legal things involved which would force them to [they've got a government-granted monopoly]) |
| 20:07.30 | orchid | ElectricElf: still no new isp yet? |
| 20:07.43 | ElectricElf | orchid: Do I know you? :) |
| 20:07.52 | ElectricElf | Aaaah. |
| 20:07.52 | ElectricElf | Right. |
| 20:07.55 | orchid | you might :) |
| 20:08.01 | ElectricElf | orchid: No. I suck. :) |
| 20:08.09 | orchid | i told you get magma and be done with it |
| 20:08.10 | JBdiGriz | It's a question of how well you know orchid. :) |
| 20:08.14 | ElectricElf | orchid: I'm waiting for a new job now. I'm sure if I get a new job, something else will get in my way. |
| 20:08.19 | bryjen | As long as its not like my cable ISP/TV. One week I get an email saying they're upgrading their network and I should be seeing improved throughput. A couple of weeks later, theres a snail-mail notice of across-the-board price increases for all services. |
| 20:08.21 | ElectricElf | orchid: I've actually pretty much decided on Sympatico. |
| 20:08.26 | orchid | eww |
| 20:08.35 | orchid | theyre anti linux |
| 20:08.39 | ElectricElf | orchid: Hardly. |
| 20:09.00 | orchid | theyre support people are at any rate (last time I called) |
| 20:09.01 | ElectricElf | orchid: They even have a page that says to install rp-pppoe if you're using Linux. |
| 20:09.03 | bryjen | And the email about the network improvements said these were being done w/o increases |
| 20:09.16 | ElectricElf | orchid: Oh, pah - first line tech support? Don't judge everybody by first line tech support :) |
| 20:09.25 | orchid | why not? |
| 20:09.43 | JBdiGriz | My first line tech support people claimed there was no second line tech support people. |
| 20:09.43 | orchid | thats the first people to represent your company |
| 20:09.46 | ElectricElf | orchid: As nice as it would be to be able to do so, it's just not accurate. |
| 20:10.20 | orchid | ElectricElf: considering my employer is equally as bad, i wont argue further |
| 20:10.24 | JBdiGriz | The person who just upgraded me put a notice on my account, there is a second line tech support, and don't try that again. |
| 20:10.26 | ElectricElf | orchid: Anyways, I've run Linux on Sympatico for well over ten years and I've never had a problem. |
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| 20:10.49 | ElectricElf | orchid: A couple of times I got a tech support weenie that refused to help me unless I installed Windows, but I just hung up and called back. |
| 20:10.59 | bryjen | first level support is often phone answering monkeys with answer books. |
| 20:11.04 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): setting bot Team correctly after automaticTeam handling |
| 20:11.05 | orchid | ElectricElf: phone them up and ask "why do I lag on ducati" |
| 20:11.06 | ElectricElf | orchid: They listen to recordings of calls like that, I believe. |
| 20:11.13 | ElectricElf | orchid: lol :) |
| 20:11.26 | ElectricElf | orchid: Phone *ANY* ISP up and ask, "why do I lag on ducati" ;) |
| 20:11.30 | orchid | the guy was like "on what??" |
| 20:11.34 | ElectricElf | orchid: You may get lucky .. but you probably won't ;) |
| 20:12.08 | ElectricElf | orchid: Seriously though, as far as Sympatico support is concerned, I consider it top notch - mainly because I've needed to use it exactly once. |
| 20:12.22 | JBdiGriz | Let me know when anyone answers, "because there's a large ocean between you and there." |
| 20:12.26 | ElectricElf | orchid: (And that turned out to be a NIC with one foot in the grave.) |
| 20:12.34 | ElectricElf | JBdiGriz: lol |
| 20:12.50 | bryjen | There's your problem. NICs shouldnt have feet! ;) |
| 20:13.00 | ElectricElf | bryjen: It bitched and moaned constantly too :) |
| 20:13.11 | ElectricElf | (Yes, it was my problem - wasn't even the NIC they included in the package.) |
| 20:13.12 | JBdiGriz | I was asking first line tech support about their IP addresses being listed in the DUL's. |
| 20:13.42 | JBdiGriz | We were talking different languages as far as anyone could tell. |
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| 20:14.00 | ElectricElf | JBdiGriz: Yeah, calling random first-line folk is pretty much useless. |
| 20:14.24 | JBdiGriz | The problem is they claimed there were no second line people. |
| 20:14.40 | ElectricElf | JBdiGriz: Yeah, common enough occurance. |
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| 20:15.15 | ElectricElf | JBdiGriz: When I can, I call somebody I know by name, who knows me at least by reputation. Then they'll at least trust me when I say, "this is actually something you guys care about, pass me on to one of the engineers." |
| 20:15.16 | JBdiGriz | completely annoying. I was prepared to blow them off until I talked to this saleslady. |
| 20:15.46 | ElectricElf | orchid: Actually, the reason why I'm not on Sympatico this very instant is because I called to ask if I could use the DSL modem I bought and paid for. |
| 20:15.53 | JBdiGriz | We've lost all of our smaller ISP's where I could do that. |
| 20:16.02 | ElectricElf | orchid: The person I talked to was brainless and it was quite frustrating. I haven't worked up the nerve to call again. |
| 20:16.26 | ElectricElf | JBdiGriz: I actually don't mind that - the bigger the ISP, the greater the chances that I know *somebody* in the organisation. |
| 20:16.27 | orchid | heh |
| 20:16.49 | ElectricElf | JBdiGriz: (And having dealt with a halfdozen small ISPs in my region, I can say that them being replaced by the big ones was a boon for the customer.) |
| 20:16.52 | JBdiGriz | I'm sure I know several people, the question is who and how to reach them. |
| 20:17.02 | ElectricElf | Rogers, as bad as it is, it worlds better than Sentex. |
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| 20:21.52 | Bagheera | ditto that sentiment ElectricElf |
| 20:22.42 | Bagheera | had lots of issues with 1usa. could never get to the second level of tech help. |
| 20:23.08 | orchid | anyone know a good website to guide me about flashing a bios, all i know is i have an asus p5a motherboard |
| 20:23.29 | orchid | it wont see my new harddrive :( |
| 20:23.59 | Bagheera | try different glasses..... oooo, that was bad |
| 20:24.20 | orchid | har har |
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| 20:25.40 | Bagheera | surprized asus doesnt have an online guide... |
| 20:26.04 | orchid | Bagheera: the downloas support link is broken on their site |
| 20:26.24 | orchid | which indicates they somehow knew i was coming |
| 20:27.12 | Bagheera | http://www.asus.com/support/english/techref/bios/intro.aspx |
| 20:28.34 | orchid | ahh ok that works |
| 20:28.59 | Bagheera | i had to click the support tab twice....then it brought up the selection |
| 20:29.17 | Bagheera | i have a lot of problems like that with firebird |
| 20:29.32 | orchid | yes this is mozilla |
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| 20:31.17 | JBdiGriz | I have more problems with funky dns servers that can't respond before the browser times out |
| 20:32.07 | Bagheera | JBdiGriz: i have seen the same thing here over the last two months as well. |
| 20:32.49 | Bagheera | of course, i have been using firebird exclusively over tha last two months |
| 20:33.04 | JBdiGriz | Bagheera: What OS is powering the caching dns server? |
| 20:33.43 | Bagheera | not sure, its not located here..........or at home......same problem |
| 20:33.59 | Bagheera | of course at home it could be my slow machine........but i am taking care of that soon |
| 20:34.47 | JBdiGriz | At the place where I was having most problems, they used the infamous server of which I will not speak it's name. :) |
| 20:35.29 | Bagheera | i think it is ok to speak its name, just dont say it three times in a minute........ |
| 20:35.50 | JBdiGriz | At home, I run my own dns servers on FreeBSD. I have tracked down a couple of sites where I have problems. They fall into two categories. overseas, and the infamous OS as a dns server |
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| 20:36.05 | Bagheera | of course my new machine will be based on the same OS of which you speak |
| 20:36.17 | Bagheera | .......no real choice there |
| 20:36.22 | JBdiGriz | I'm willing to cut the overseas sites a little slack on network response time. |
| 20:36.57 | JBdiGriz | No real choice there, but didn't they just claim they were providing you with more real choice? |
| 20:37.58 | Bagheera | ahah, no the gdsii editor will only run on billy-boys OS.......so if i want to work at home, i need that os |
| 20:38.24 | Bagheera | and since its the work that is driving the purchase, it drives the OS choices |
| 20:39.05 | orchid | which end of the floppy cable goes into the motherboard? the twisty end? or the end with no twist? |
| 20:40.25 | Bagheera | arent the connectors keyed.... |
| 20:40.49 | orchid | yes, but at one end of the cable they ribbons twist over |
| 20:40.59 | JBdiGriz | They're probably the same size, so the keying doesn't help. |
| 20:41.48 | Bagheera | yeah, but at that point it shouldnt matter if they are same size.....because whether you swap pin 5 with 20 at the device or source its not going to really matter |
| 20:41.53 | JBdiGriz | IIRC, the twist goes at the floppy end, but I usually examine the cable and markings to determine that I'm getting them right. |
| 20:42.28 | JBdiGriz | Are there only two connectors on the cable? |
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| 20:44.41 | Bagheera | oooo, my computer made it to the configuration verification phase.....ooooooo |
| 20:45.48 | Bagheera | dang, 11 more phases to go |
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| 20:52.19 | Nidhoggr | we ever find out what was up with listserver the other day? I still have to put my configs back. |
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| 20:53.39 | Nidhoggr | sure. what was your username? |
| 20:53.42 | Nidhoggr | ooops |
| 20:54.51 | Nidhoggr | hiya |
| 20:55.42 | Bagheera | i noticed secretplace is having some heavy usage lately. |
| 20:55.53 | Nidhoggr | we've done some heavy mods |
| 20:56.01 | Nidhoggr | well, not all that heavy |
| 20:56.19 | Nidhoggr | we do have a lot of admins, and people seem to like that we keep things under some level of control. |
| 20:56.19 | Bagheera | seems like overall lag is down....it was real sharp the other day |
| 20:56.47 | Nidhoggr | we have an IRC server on our network that was getting heavy (about 1Gbps) DDOS |
| 20:57.05 | larsl | Nidhoggr: That's what I like about it. There are very few cheaters there. |
| 20:57.07 | Bagheera | aaahhhh |
| 20:57.19 | Nidhoggr | nice to hear, larsl. |
| 20:57.45 | Nidhoggr | we really try... it's not perfect, but what do ya expect for free. :) |
| 20:57.51 | Bagheera | except for C++ ....hahaha.......always have to work extra hard to kill that puppy |
| 20:58.00 | Nidhoggr | he's really good. |
| 20:58.36 | Bagheera | cant wait till the new system is up.......want to see if i get any boost in playability |
| 20:59.07 | Nidhoggr | my new PC is pretty smokin' |
| 20:59.30 | Bagheera | keep a fire extinguish near by if it smokes that much |
| 20:59.34 | Nidhoggr | I'm considering upping my minimum bandwidth usage. |
| 20:59.42 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 20:59.53 | Nidhoggr | right now I am committed to 2 mbps. |
| 21:00.09 | Bagheera | are you using over that....or under that |
| 21:00.16 | Nidhoggr | if I up it to 3, I can run both servers at 10 shots. |
| 21:00.17 | Bagheera | ie what does that impact? |
| 21:00.21 | Nidhoggr | I am a little under. |
| 21:00.29 | Nidhoggr | it won't effect the server, just how much I pay. |
| 21:00.32 | Bagheera | 10 shots, eyyeeeee |
| 21:00.50 | Nidhoggr | they're both at 10 shots now, but not many play on dragon.org |
| 21:00.54 | Nidhoggr | because it's ctf |
| 21:01.09 | Bagheera | yeah, i think it needs a new map.....change is good thing |
| 21:01.16 | Nidhoggr | I'm considering adding another server process on one of the machines. |
| 21:01.27 | Nidhoggr | I want to do one rotating server with 10 shots. |
| 21:01.34 | Nidhoggr | maybe it's time to do that with dragon.org |
| 21:01.47 | Bagheera | that would be cool. |
| 21:01.47 | Nidhoggr | rotate every 3 hours, maybe. |
| 21:02.00 | Nidhoggr | or once an hour would be okay, I suppose. |
| 21:02.03 | Nidhoggr | depends on feedback. |
| 21:02.18 | larsl | I always forget to /identify... |
| 21:02.19 | Nidhoggr | I actually got time to play for a few minutes last night. |
| 21:02.20 | Bagheera | yeah, i would vote for once a day.......but thats me |
| 21:02.21 | Nidhoggr | amazing. |
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| 21:02.27 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:02.39 | Nidhoggr | larsl. :) |
| 21:02.42 | larsl | Maybe I need to hack bzflag to remember the passwords. =) |
| 21:02.42 | Nidhoggr | I haven't done that yet. |
| 21:02.48 | Nidhoggr | oooh. |
| 21:03.35 | Bagheera | i havent done the identify thing lately......basically because i am not playing under Bag* that much anymore |
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| 21:06.07 | Bagheera | i wouldnt mind seeing the map Menotume was running for awhile get more play......but i am prejudice on that again. |
| 21:06.09 | rooter | so... what's up with the shell shock site? |
| 21:06.20 | Bagheera | how so? |
| 21:06.41 | rooter | it is down |
| 21:07.15 | rooter | well... it looks like he forgot to renew his domain |
| 21:07.18 | Bagheera | hmm, maybe he is finally updating the site. |
| 21:07.34 | Bagheera | or, maybe he just decided to quit. |
| 21:07.55 | Bagheera | SGI seems to talk to him more often than most......he might have more insight |
| 21:08.04 | rooter | i would hope not... he has the best references to bz |
| 21:08.17 | rooter | plus there is a map tounament going on |
| 21:08.47 | Bagheera | yeah, but i heard they had results a month or so ago........... |
| 21:09.03 | rooter | it was never posted on the site |
| 21:09.23 | Bagheera | yeah, thats what i heard through SGI.........since he stated he was one of the judges. |
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| 21:10.11 | Bagheera | would be ashame to lose all those factoids and tips |
| 21:10.19 | rooter | yeah |
| 21:11.21 | larsl | http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:48tD4RkMlOUJ:www.shellshock.dutchrai.com/shellshock+dutchrai&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 =) |
| 21:11.54 | Bagheera | quick, someone copy it to their harddrive......heh |
| 21:12.05 | rooter | of course... google cache |
| 21:12.22 | Bagheera | wonder how long google cache hangs around |
| 21:13.01 | rooter | until they reindex the page |
| 21:13.09 | rooter | or find it not there |
| 21:39.38 | Nidhoggr | eeek! dog and pony show at work. |
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| 21:46.45 | Nidhoggr | hrm. cool. |
| 21:47.15 | Nidhoggr | also... anyone who wants to put together a good info site, I'll host it. |
| 21:47.15 | TimRiker | no I.hate.bzflag.org though so don't ask. |
| 21:48.57 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 21:49.00 | Noodleman | why not?? |
| 21:49.11 | Noodleman | that's censorship, by gum! |
| 21:49.39 | Nidhoggr | free speech is overrated. ;) |
| 21:49.45 | Noodleman | i agree |
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| 21:59.09 | TimRiker | freespeech.is.overrated.bzflag.org |
| 21:59.17 | TimRiker | freespeech.is.overrated.at.bzflag.org |
| 22:02.04 | JBdiGriz | Has anyone signed up for sex.drugs.and.bzflag.org ? |
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| 22:02.16 | TimRiker | not yet. |
| 22:02.31 | Legolas | ~d |
| 22:06.34 | KR | KR.is.the.King.of.Ducati.bzflag.org ;) lol |
| 22:07.19 | JBdiGriz | Would you trust Tim to leave it like that? |
| 22:07.37 | KR | lol |
| 22:08.44 | JBdiGriz | TimRiker: When did O'Reilly do the interview with you and Chris? |
| 22:11.01 | bryjen | Naah. I get enough of that already ;) |
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| 22:16.44 | TimRiker | JBdiGriz: quite a while ago and and update a few weeks ago. |
| 22:17.41 | JBdiGriz | It was a good article. We'll probably see more interest for a while. |
| 22:22.32 | TimRiker | is there a plan to move to any new text formatting like *bold* and _italic_ ? or will the current syntax stay. |
| 22:22.39 | TimRiker | s/./?/ |
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| 22:27.30 | Nidhoggr | article? |
| 22:28.46 | larsl | http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html |
| 22:28.49 | larsl | I suppose. |
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| 22:36.10 | JBdiGriz | larsl is a good supposer :) |
| 22:39.56 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.cxx): Adding callback to all rendering option, so they are executed now. |
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| 22:45.41 | learner | cool |
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| 22:46.09 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds || http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || brand-new list server for 1.9 is on http://db.bzflag.org/db/ || anonymous CVS works again |
| 22:47.00 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/ || http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net |
| 22:48.59 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): fixed bug that select automatic Team when -team option was given |
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| 22:49.52 | Chikorita | trepan: hello? |
| 22:50.05 | Tupone | Chikorita: hello |
| 22:50.11 | Chikorita | hi tupone |
| 22:50.24 | Chikorita | ugh i hate 2 bring dis up |
| 22:50.30 | learner | hi chika |
| 22:50.41 | Chikorita | theres a cheater on da Coliseum server |
| 22:50.42 | Tupone | learner: hi |
| 22:50.52 | Chikorita | his callsign iz "killer" |
| 22:50.53 | learner | heya tupone |
| 22:51.06 | Chikorita | he jus did a super jump over the stadium wall LoL |
| 22:51.14 | Chikorita | hi learna :) |
| 22:51.22 | learner | I've yet to hear who's admin for the coliseum place |
| 22:51.41 | Chikorita | trepan runs it , i was hopin he was awake in here :) |
| 22:51.54 | Tupone | lean: restart to fix things :) As we don't release soon :( |
| 22:52.01 | Tupone | s/lean/learner/ |
| 22:52.10 | Chikorita | itz a kewl server , i gave him suggestions on how to make it |
| 22:52.26 | Chikorita | originally it was set up for da 1v1 arena |
| 22:52.47 | learner | yea, chikorita.. i was playing there the other day -- pretty fun |
| 22:52.47 | Chikorita | buh not many peeple did dat , so i suggested to trepan to make it bigger for FFA |
| 22:52.51 | Chikorita | hehee |
| 22:52.51 | JBdiGriz | hmm, more people are referring to learner as leaner. politicizing bzflag? |
| 22:53.03 | Chikorita | wanna go play ther now learna? |
| 22:53.08 | learner | lean mean bz machine |
| 22:53.16 | Chikorita | lol L |
| 22:53.22 | learner | chikorita :) |
| 22:53.25 | JBdiGriz | Maybe it's the gym workouts. :) |
| 22:53.26 | learner | sure! |
| 22:53.34 | Chikorita | kk |
| 22:53.49 | Chikorita | look out 4 dat guy name killer , he iz a cheater , u wil c |
| 22:53.55 | Chikorita | k bye all , bbl |
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| 22:57.32 | Noodleman | i want ill.kick.your.butt.in.bzflag.org |
| 22:57.53 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 22:57.53 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 22:59.40 | TimRiker | ~nslookup ill.kick.your.butt.in.bzflag.org |
| 23:00.08 | creeperz | lol |
| 23:00.20 | JBdiGriz | I've connected to that one, it's a pretty good server, extremely low lag. |
| 23:00.33 | larsl | TimRiker: If I want gravitywaves.bzflag.org, do you need an IP or can you make an 'alias' to a dyndns address? |
| 23:00.36 | Noodleman | yeah, nice server |
| 23:02.39 | TimRiker | ~nslookup you.suck.at.bzflag.org |
| 23:05.01 | TimRiker | If you were attempting to reach a site that's domain ends in .sourceforge.net, it is likely that your browser is not |
| 23:05.01 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.08 | TimRiker | ah well... |
| 23:06.24 | Noodleman | they shouldn't say "very" |
| 23:06.33 | Noodleman | they might get people to upgrade :-) |
| 23:06.49 | KR | good article/interview there, Tim |
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| 23:06.58 | Noodleman | IE 4 user: oh, i've got an old version, better upgrade |
| 23:07.02 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 23:07.27 | KR | ~d |
| 23:07.28 | Noodleman | TimRiker: which DNS package do you use? |
| 23:10.55 | TimRiker | ii bind 8.3.3-2.0woody1 Internet Domain Name Server |
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