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| 00:04.04 | Chikorita | hi |
| 00:04.23 | orchid | hi |
| 00:04.58 | Chikorita | in 1.9 i cant pan around in observer mode? |
| 00:04.59 | Chikorita | hi orchid |
| 00:05.26 | Chikorita | at least da windows version i d/l'ed offa da TLZ homepage |
| 00:06.27 | Chikorita | i think itz version 1.9.8 ze10.28 |
| 00:06.52 | Chikorita | i can only view from side to side up an down , buh not turn |
| 00:07.24 | Chikorita | okies im talkin 2 meeself byez |
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| 01:45.24 | MrApathyCream | bryjen gets motivated!! |
| 01:46.04 | captain_proton | learner: i think your disk usage estimates were wrong |
| 01:46.17 | captain_proton | learner: did you forget the dvds in that figure? :) |
| 01:52.45 | MrApathyCream | Quol_detached: is the config file going to remain bzflag19.bzc? (emphasis on the 19)? |
| 01:52.51 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* |
| 01:53.07 | MrApathyCream | Now it's the q bug |
| 01:58.51 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.cxx): no snprintf on windoze |
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| 02:03.28 | MrApathyCream | Now that's a web-clock! |
| 02:03.30 | MrApathyCream | http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/%7Eyugo/storage/monocrafts_ver3/03/index.html |
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| 02:09.14 | Carnage_ | cheater on quols name the one |
| 02:10.05 | bryjen | MrApathyCream talks to himself ;) |
| 02:10.14 | Carnage_ | can anyone pls kick him |
| 02:10.49 | MrApathyCream | bryjen, heh |
| 02:10.57 | Noodleman_laptop | let me /msg him with the ip address of this guy |
| 02:11.17 | MrApathyCream | anyone have the latest source, and willing to do a code review? |
| 02:12.46 | MrApathyCream | i saw the patches |
| 02:12.50 | MrApathyCream | you can't fool me |
| 02:13.34 | bryjen | you saw them and still think i have more than 1/2 a clue at C ? |
| 02:13.46 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 02:13.52 | MrApathyCream | ok, i saw them, i didn't look at em |
| 02:13.56 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 02:14.00 | bryjen | Ah ;) |
| 02:16.49 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 02:17.14 | bryjen | hrm. ibot must be set to rikers list server |
| 02:17.22 | MrApathyCream | prolly |
| 02:17.45 | bryjen | ~bzflist brlcad.org:5156 |
| 02:24.29 | MrApathyCream | PROOF! no developers are here! |
| 02:25.13 | learner | heh |
| 02:26.22 | learner | fyi, tupone got the bzfls.php working, it's up and running at http://bz.brlcad.org/bzfls.php?action=LIST |
| 02:27.46 | learner | it actually talks to a mysql database for storing the server lists |
| 02:28.18 | learner | pretty cool :) |
| 02:43.12 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 02:43.19 | MrApathyCream | now if we could only fix the stuck bases |
| 02:43.21 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): bullets bounce of bases in z |
| 03:17.09 | MrApathyCream | well the stickyness problem has wooped my ask |
| 03:17.18 | MrApathyCream | i give |
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| 04:10.46 | Chikorita | ~quol |
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| 05:18.43 | SGIrtrewt | Tk on xmission..called vaginal |
| 05:18.50 | SGIrtrewt | hello |
| 05:19.24 | SGIrtrewt | TK on xmission ...called vaginal |
| 05:20.12 | scanline | SGIrtrewt: you should repeat yourself more and talk louder, I don't think the admins can hear you |
| 05:27.05 | scanline | heh |
| 05:27.20 | MrApathyCream | 100% reproducible.... |
| 05:27.26 | MrApathyCream | simple to reproduce.... |
| 05:27.32 | MrApathyCream | just up and build! |
| 05:27.34 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:27.50 | MrApathyCream | just join xmission |
| 05:28.21 | scanline | most of the problems it seems to be having are things other people have already solved much better |
| 05:28.35 | MrApathyCream | but scanline's devotion to his 'buddies' will allow him to set aside his beliefs for the good of the fellas |
| 05:29.29 | scanline | where do you expect to take bzflag by continuing to reinvent its wheels one by one? |
| 05:30.02 | scanline | bzflag is a game, yet far too much effort goes into things that should be part of a library |
| 05:30.04 | MrApathyCream | i don't have such grand thoughts |
| 05:30.14 | MrApathyCream | i'm just a simple old fart |
| 05:30.19 | scanline | let bzflag be a game, and let libraries do collision detection, networking, world loading... |
| 05:30.29 | scanline | I'm just telling you why bzflag as it is doesn't interest me |
| 05:30.45 | scanline | and why I don't agree with its direction |
| 05:30.48 | MrApathyCream | yeah, yeah, but where is this ideal game |
| 05:31.02 | MrApathyCream | all there is this crappy substitute |
| 05:31.13 | scanline | there are a lot of games based on libraries rather than inventing everything themselves |
| 05:31.26 | scanline | I'd go so far as saying most games use a library or engine of some sort |
| 05:31.34 | MrApathyCream | yes, but i don't see any with 3d tanks drivin' around and picking up flags |
| 05:32.07 | scanline | well, you could just keep hacking at bzflag until it has better networking, better worlds, better collision detection |
| 05:32.20 | scanline | but it would be a lot more effort than just making something using a real game engine that has the same gameplay |
| 05:32.55 | MrApathyCream | scanline, perhaps in the end, it is it much simpler to hack on a lil piece |
| 05:33.10 | MrApathyCream | and given that there is no one who would rewrite bz, that's all that can be done |
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| 05:33.44 | scanline | it would take a lot more focus than bzflag has at the moment, that's for sure... |
| 05:34.41 | MrApathyCream | yes my alternatives are hack away at lil things, or cry in my beer |
| 05:34.48 | MrApathyCream | so, i choose to hack |
| 05:35.27 | scanline | with a decent game library, rewriting bzflag isn't a huge job even for one person |
| 05:35.48 | scanline | as far as games go, bzflag has pretty simple rules and graphics |
| 05:36.23 | MrApathyCream | the point is moot, it's not going to happen |
| 05:36.31 | scanline | I just see this strategy of developing a special-purpose game engine along with a game as a dead end |
| 05:36.37 | MrApathyCream | You smart fellas get too distracted, us dumb guys can't |
| 05:36.42 | scanline | it's like writing a game along with its own special operating system |
| 05:37.34 | scanline | that sort of thing used to be quite common, especially on console systems |
| 05:37.51 | scanline | but then people come to realize how beneficial code reuse is. in the open source community, it's even more important than elsewhere |
| 05:38.17 | MrApathyCream | well where is the opensource game engine that bzflag would use? |
| 05:38.36 | purple_cow | there are plenty of libraries bzflag could use |
| 05:38.38 | scanline | there are several to choose from.. crystalspace, OGRE, quake2, probably many more |
| 05:38.44 | purple_cow | ogre/crystalspace for graphics |
| 05:38.51 | purple_cow | various physics libs |
| 05:38.53 | scanline | ODE for physics |
| 05:38.53 | MrApathyCream | and how are they different from what bzflag does? |
| 05:38.54 | scanline | :) |
| 05:38.55 | purple_cow | various network libs |
| 05:39.06 | scanline | MrApathyCream: they are well tested, and actively developed |
| 05:39.27 | scanline | bzflag effectively has its own little game library that's only developed for bzflag, and therefore isn't nearly as capable, well-tested, or documented |
| 05:40.00 | MrApathyCream | i don't see the quake engine in bzflag |
| 05:40.19 | scanline | that was just an example, crystalspace or OGRE are probably the best bets for graphics |
| 05:40.37 | MrApathyCream | well i don't know those |
| 05:40.40 | purple_cow | the quake engine definitely isn't the right choice for bzflag, just from a technical standpoint |
| 05:41.45 | scanline | yeah.. quake would be horrible for outdoor games |
| 05:41.59 | scanline | MrApathyCream: code reuse requires learning |
| 05:42.13 | scanline | learning other people's code, rather than just learning your own code as you write it |
| 05:42.17 | MrApathyCream | well, i don't see you guys doing it, and therefore no one |
| 05:42.22 | scanline | bzflag's situation reminds me a lot of what I went through with picogui |
| 05:42.50 | scanline | I was developing into a dead-end, by trying to do far too many of the wrong things in one project |
| 05:43.05 | scanline | when I should have just looked at the big picture |
| 05:43.21 | scanline | and now bzflag is running into the same fate... it's not really going anywhere, needs a big change, but there's no manpower to do it |
| 05:43.41 | MrApathyCream | well, there's no manpower either way |
| 05:44.06 | MrApathyCream | it's basically down to me, learner, and tupone |
| 05:44.12 | scanline | then one way you're stuck making incremental hacks just to eventually get all the features you'd get for free from a real library |
| 05:44.20 | MrApathyCream | i don't see anything major happening, either way |
| 05:44.30 | scanline | and the other you need an initial burst of effort to get the game working at all, but then you have almost everything for free and you can concentrate on gameplay |
| 05:44.31 | MrApathyCream | scanline, yup |
| 05:44.50 | MrApathyCream | the first is the only plausible option, it seems to me |
| 05:45.08 | scanline | well, it is if nobody here that's interested in developing bzflag wants to learn new libraries |
| 05:45.10 | purple_cow | with the current developer apathy, indeed |
| 05:45.28 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:45.40 | scanline | the approach bzflag is taking now and the approach I was on with picogui is the equivalent of burying your head in a very large beach and trying to gradually dig your way back to the surface |
| 05:45.47 | scanline | or soemthing |
| 05:45.55 | MrApathyCream | i never believed in buy vs. build |
| 05:46.03 | MrApathyCream | i never really had much success with it |
| 05:46.16 | scanline | it's easy to stay isolated from the rest of the open source world, but in the long run it just means you're spendign all your time duplicating what they've already done |
| 05:46.28 | MrApathyCream | yes, but with control |
| 05:46.43 | scanline | control you don't need, and probably don't want |
| 05:46.52 | MrApathyCream | you always want that |
| 05:46.55 | scanline | do you really care exactly how bzflag's collision detection is implemented? |
| 05:47.11 | MrApathyCream | Noodleman, but its busted i want to be able to fix it |
| 05:47.17 | MrApathyCream | damn noodleman, bug |
| 05:47.21 | scanline | wouldn't you rather just have a complete physics library that works correctly, instead of having to spend months debugging bzflag's simple engine? |
| 05:47.34 | MrApathyCream | i would, but i've never found a library that works correctly |
| 05:47.44 | scanline | ODE seems to be pretty nice |
| 05:47.50 | purple_cow | there are lots of physics libraries |
| 05:47.57 | purple_cow | most of which work correctly |
| 05:47.59 | MrApathyCream | i doubt any of them really work |
| 05:48.08 | scanline | how do you know that without trying them? |
| 05:48.11 | MrApathyCream | they are written by people |
| 05:48.21 | MrApathyCream | and people uniformly are idiots |
| 05:48.27 | scanline | people who probably are a lot better at that sort of thing than bzflag developers |
| 05:48.37 | scanline | developing a game and developing a physics library take a very different set of skills |
| 05:48.46 | scanline | some people can do both, but you shouldn't have to just to write a game |
| 05:48.55 | MrApathyCream | i used lots of code written by 'experts' |
| 05:49.01 | MrApathyCream | i never enjoy ed it |
| 05:49.10 | MrApathyCream | look at ogg, it had all kinds of problems |
| 05:49.22 | MrApathyCream | but it's supposed to be the best thing since... |
| 05:49.30 | MrApathyCream | SDL, same think |
| 05:49.32 | MrApathyCream | thing |
| 05:49.32 | purple_cow | MrApathyCream: we were using ogg before it even hit 1.0 |
| 05:49.36 | purple_cow | thats why it had problems |
| 05:49.39 | scanline | there's a difference between code being flawed and developers being too stubborn to understand them correctly |
| 05:49.40 | purple_cow | now its a very robust library |
| 05:49.43 | scanline | s/them/it/ |
| 05:49.44 | MrApathyCream | how do you know it's better? |
| 05:49.49 | scanline | SDL is also very robust |
| 05:49.53 | MrApathyCream | i doubt it |
| 05:49.59 | scanline | I have worked on it a little, the code is pretty solid |
| 05:50.08 | MrApathyCream | i still doubt it |
| 05:50.09 | scanline | I have used it a lot, and only encountered minor problems |
| 05:50.18 | scanline | it's a lot better than the crappy platform abstraction bzflag uses |
| 05:50.19 | purple_cow | the problems we were experiencing (like <128k oggs not working) were all bugs in the library |
| 05:50.39 | purple_cow | and ogg is still one of the best audio compression schemes out there, for a number of reasons |
| 05:50.49 | scanline | the difference is that libraries are used by multiple projects, and therefore get looked over and maintained by everyone interested in those projects |
| 05:50.59 | scanline | rather than bzflag's code which is only maintained by bzflag developers |
| 05:51.09 | scanline | there's a limited amount of manpower, it should be spent on the game not on what should be libraries |
| 05:51.13 | MrApathyCream | yes, in theory, of course, you are right |
| 05:51.32 | MrApathyCream | but it's that thorny in practice stuff that stinks |
| 05:51.47 | scanline | have you ever used SDL? |
| 05:52.03 | MrApathyCream | only watched you guys try to put it in bzflag |
| 05:52.19 | MrApathyCream | and i consider you guys to be tops, and you couldn't do it |
| 05:52.28 | scanline | 'you guys' == who? |
| 05:52.32 | purple_cow | MrApathyCream: a lot of that is because bzflag's current platform abstraction is geared very much towards an X-style interface, and SDL abstracts it further |
| 05:52.35 | MrApathyCream | why would a scklepp like me want it in my code |
| 05:52.50 | purple_cow | both /me and vogon got sdl working |
| 05:52.55 | purple_cow | its just nothing ever got comitted |
| 05:52.57 | MrApathyCream | 'working' |
| 05:53.15 | scanline | MrApathyCream: take a look at SDL's API, try it out. it's a solid library |
| 05:53.27 | scanline | MrApathyCream: if you dismiss libraries without even trying them, you'll get absolutely nowhere |
| 05:53.40 | scanline | I mean, jeez, projects using glibc fail all the tiem |
| 05:53.46 | MrApathyCream | i looked at it. couldn't make heads or tails of it |
| 05:53.48 | scanline | glibc must be freaking toxic waste |
| 05:54.05 | purple_cow | how can you not make heads or tails of it? its one of the simplest things i've seen |
| 05:54.09 | MrApathyCream | well, of course there are somethings that you have to use |
| 05:54.23 | purple_cow | no you don't |
| 05:54.23 | MrApathyCream | it doesn't mean they're any good, only that you can't do without them |
| 05:54.27 | purple_cow | you could implement it all yourself! |
| 05:54.31 | purple_cow | :P |
| 05:54.46 | scanline | MrApathyCream: you should just rewrite bzflag be its own operating system, so you don't have to rely on libraries at all |
| 05:54.59 | scanline | then you could have an even bigger platform abstraction layer |
| 05:55.01 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:55.03 | scanline | and it would be even cooler |
| 05:55.10 | scanline | especially if you compiled it all using bzcc |
| 05:55.11 | MrApathyCream | i don't need cooler |
| 05:55.42 | scanline | I'm just surprised you don't see some indication that abstraction is a good thing |
| 05:55.58 | scanline | you move from assembly to C, code development gets easier, and once the tools get mature nothing is lost |
| 05:56.09 | scanline | same with moving from X11/win32/whatever to SDL for video |
| 05:56.21 | scanline | and from a home-grown 3D engine to a real one |
| 05:56.31 | scanline | in the beginning the tools aren't mature so it's easiest to do it yourself |
| 05:56.34 | scanline | that's the era bzflag comes from |
| 05:56.36 | MrApathyCream | abstraction is fine, i just don't like the Jurassic Park syndrome |
| 05:56.44 | scanline | but these days the libraries are solid, they have a lot of benefits |
| 05:57.02 | scanline | explain what you mean by that |
| 05:57.47 | MrApathyCream | JPS = Using technology that you don't have a handle on how it works |
| 05:58.05 | scanline | well, that's why instead of avoiding said technology, you learn how it works and then use it |
| 05:58.10 | scanline | SDL is not complex, learn it then use it |
| 05:58.33 | scanline | other libraries like crystalspace are indeed more complex, but they can be learned |
| 05:58.44 | scanline | however, understanding everything about the library isn't necessary to use it |
| 05:58.45 | MrApathyCream | and when they don't do what you want them to do? |
| 05:58.48 | scanline | that's the nice thing about abstraction |
| 05:59.07 | purple_cow | MrApathyCream: thats why you choose a library that does what you want =/ |
| 05:59.08 | scanline | MrApathyCream: you read the code and fix it, or file a bug report, or talk to the developers, or all of the above |
| 05:59.18 | MrApathyCream | yeah... |
| 05:59.23 | scanline | when you use a 'real' library, there are people to report bugs to |
| 05:59.32 | scanline | whereas when you write one yourself, you fix it yourself or you're out of luck |
| 06:00.08 | purple_cow | for instance, you could rush in and use the win32 api for video, and then be unhappy when it doesn't work on other platforms |
| 06:00.14 | purple_cow | or you could do some research and choose sdl |
| 06:00.16 | scanline | another big advantage of using libraries is that instead of being effectively locked in your room and hacking on something all by yourself, you can become part of a community around that library |
| 06:00.35 | MrApathyCream | but i don't really want to work on sdl |
| 06:00.38 | scanline | there are people to talk to about SDL, places to share your experiences with it |
| 06:00.50 | scanline | same with crystalspace, ogre, probably ODE... |
| 06:00.50 | MrApathyCream | that's probably the difference between you and me |
| 06:00.56 | MrApathyCream | you live for sdl-like thingies |
| 06:00.57 | MrApathyCream | i don't |
| 06:01.03 | scanline | MrApathyCream: you don't have to understand how a library works to use it |
| 06:01.08 | scanline | the API is simple, and well-documented |
| 06:01.12 | MrApathyCream | scanline, i disagree |
| 06:01.22 | MrApathyCream | using apis that you don't understand is probably the worst thing to do |
| 06:01.33 | scanline | MrApathyCream: you're using an operating system aren't you? |
| 06:01.34 | purple_cow | he didn't say you didn't have to understand the api |
| 06:01.42 | purple_cow | he said you didn't have to understand the -library- |
| 06:01.44 | scanline | do you understand everything about how it works internally? |
| 06:01.49 | MrApathyCream | purple_cow, how it's implemented i mean |
| 06:01.57 | scanline | MrApathyCream: you ALWAYS have to choose an abstraction level |
| 06:01.59 | MrApathyCream | scanline, no, and that is a mistake |
| 06:02.03 | purple_cow | i may not know the exact code behind printf, but i know the interface, and it works |
| 06:02.07 | scanline | there's no way you can understand everything about how your computer works |
| 06:02.08 | MrApathyCream | it would be better if i understood more |
| 06:02.10 | scanline | there's always more complexity |
| 06:02.25 | MrApathyCream | i'm pretty sure i know how printf works |
| 06:02.26 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:02.28 | scanline | below the OS there's the hardware, below the hardware there's physics, behind everything there's loads of math |
| 06:02.43 | scanline | MrApathyCream: I really doubt you understand every detail of how printf works |
| 06:03.01 | scanline | MrApathyCream: your compiler is using some pretty intense techniques to turn printf into the best machine code possible |
| 06:03.04 | MrApathyCream | well, i could write my own, or at least a pretty good facimile |
| 06:03.12 | scanline | MrApathyCream: then your CPU is using things only the folks at AMD/intel/whatever understand |
| 06:03.17 | MrApathyCream | scanline, true |
| 06:03.31 | scanline | MrApathyCream: it's pretty much impossible to understand everything about your computer |
| 06:03.37 | scanline | so you always have to pick a level to understand it at |
| 06:03.42 | MrApathyCream | yes, but that isn't a good thing |
| 06:03.46 | scanline | there's nothing magical about writing using only C and the standard library |
| 06:03.53 | scanline | it's just one abstraction level you can pick |
| 06:04.06 | purple_cow | but still, you're capable of using printf without going through and reading the code |
| 06:04.09 | scanline | MrApathyCream: I didn't say it's good, I said it's how the world works |
| 06:04.44 | MrApathyCream | purple_cow, but that would be a mistake |
| 06:05.00 | scanline | MrApathyCream: have you read all the code for windows? |
| 06:05.08 | MrApathyCream | Noodleman, and thats a shame |
| 06:05.14 | MrApathyCream | it would be better if I understood it all |
| 06:05.18 | MrApathyCream | but i have no other choice |
| 06:05.26 | MrApathyCream | so i must give in there |
| 06:05.52 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:06.19 | MrApathyCream | p, test |
| 06:06.52 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:07.29 | MrApathyCream | but there is no well written opensource 3d tank game! |
| 06:07.58 | scanline | I got annoyed with pybzflag when you kept changing the protocol without updating any of the documentation :P |
| 06:08.28 | MrApathyCream | the doc always was changed, we just didn't agree where you found it |
| 06:08.47 | purple_cow | MrApathyCream: everyone else was using the one on the wiki |
| 06:08.52 | purple_cow | and you were considering the code to be a doc |
| 06:08.54 | purple_cow | which is braindead |
| 06:08.57 | purple_cow | ~whaleslap MrApathyCream |
| 06:09.03 | | ACTION slaps MrApathyCream upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 06:09.03 | scanline | but I thought at least that the project would have shown some of the bzflag developers that it is possible to implement bzflag using some newer technology without the mountain of effort people seemed to think it would take |
| 06:09.05 | MrApathyCream | no protocol.h |
| 06:09.24 | MrApathyCream | scanline: apparently not, you gave up because it was too hard, argo, proved my point |
| 06:09.36 | scanline | MrApathyCream: I gave up because the bzflag 'community' pissed me off |
| 06:09.47 | MrApathyCream | call it what you like, you failed |
| 06:09.48 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:09.57 | scanline | I'm still using most of that code in other projects |
| 06:10.11 | scanline | something you couldn't really do using your techniques |
| 06:10.11 | MrApathyCream | still there is no pybzflag |
| 06:10.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 06:10.15 | *** kick/#bzflag [MrApathyCream!~jupiter@navi.cs.colorado.edu] by purple_cow (calm down) |
| 06:10.21 | scanline | heh |
| 06:10.38 | purple_cow | i dunno what his problem was tonight |
| 06:10.53 | scanline | bzflagitis |
| 06:13.34 | purple_cow | i've never seen him act so diablo-like |
| 06:13.55 | scanline | heheh |
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| 06:45.56 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 06:49.46 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you missed the fun :P |
| 07:00.34 | scanline | indeed |
| 07:02.28 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 07:02.52 | captain_proton | MAC decided that code reuse was bad |
| 07:03.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh no |
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| 07:03.17 | Patlabor221 | and did? |
| 07:03.35 | captain_proton | we just had a nice argument |
| 07:03.55 | Patlabor221 | why would you not want to reuse code if it did what you needed it to? |
| 07:04.02 | captain_proton | scanline was trying to point out that bzflag suffered from egregious wheel-reinventing, and should use libraries more |
| 07:04.13 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:04.18 | Patlabor221 | that is it's core problem |
| 07:04.36 | Patlabor221 | that and no large scale design whatsoever |
| 07:07.06 | Patlabor221 | SDL does most of what the platform project in BZ does |
| 07:07.21 | captain_proton | yep, in a more abstractified way |
| 07:07.23 | Patlabor221 | ohh I could just get it from chatelaine |
| 07:08.00 | Patlabor221 | what was his argument? |
| 07:08.12 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 07:08.13 | captain_proton | good question |
| 07:08.26 | captain_proton | i think he was too lazy to learn someone else's code |
| 07:08.36 | Patlabor221 | that would make sense for him |
| 07:09.08 | Patlabor221 | he ain't gonna like P24 much then, it's designed around max reuse |
| 07:14.58 | JBDiGriz | lovely argument, MrAC is dropping developers from the project left and right. |
| 07:15.27 | JBDiGriz | now it's him, learner, and tupone doing all of the work. :) |
| 07:16.06 | Patlabor221 | he had allready givn up during the weekend |
| 07:16.22 | JBDiGriz | scanline: I owe you a thank you, I actually got paid for doing some python coding this past couple of weeks. :) |
| 07:16.32 | scanline | JBDiGriz: cool :) |
| 07:16.54 | JBDiGriz | It inspired me to go ahead and try a recent scripting language. |
| 07:17.01 | scanline | lately I've been doing firmware in assembler, kernelspace code in C, and all my userspace code in python :) |
| 07:18.22 | JBDiGriz | I'll still do most of my coding in C, since I'm still stuck in the kernel most of the time. Even the "firmware" is almost entirely in C these days. |
| 07:18.39 | scanline | what have you been working on? |
| 07:19.49 | Patlabor221 | wow, he really dosnt' see any alternitives |
| 07:19.54 | JBDiGriz | I'm still doing the embedded system for the network analyzer. Lately it's been ferreting out bugs in the UI. |
| 07:19.58 | Patlabor221 | he can't make the leap to new tech |
| 07:20.36 | scanline | JBDiGriz: ah, neat. Looks like quite a cool system |
| 07:20.42 | scanline | neater than the stuff I've been doing for work |
| 07:20.49 | JBDiGriz | I enabled the malloc debug and then wrote a python script to match mallocs and frees. Found a couple of memory leaks. |
| 07:20.54 | Patlabor221 | hah, BZ could be done as a quake mod in days |
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| 07:21.22 | scanline | Patlabor221: BSPs wouldn't be friendly for bzflag-style levels |
| 07:21.38 | Patlabor221 | no they would not be optimal |
| 07:21.42 | Patlabor221 | but it woudl work |
| 07:21.50 | Patlabor221 | and you could make way cooler levels :) |
| 07:22.01 | cniV | hmmmm |
| 07:22.02 | captain_proton | and you could use the sketchy renderer |
| 07:22.03 | Patlabor221 | but the point is, your right, BZ only has some simple game logic |
| 07:22.03 | captain_proton | :) |
| 07:22.03 | scanline | people are definitely too attached to bzflag's codebase... so deep in the details that they can't see the game itself |
| 07:22.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah, like it's maintainer? |
| 07:22.22 | scanline | :) |
| 07:22.43 | captain_proton | even 1.8 was too much of a departure in terms of code |
| 07:22.43 | JBDiGriz | I'm still trying to get a handle on the code base. It's way too disorganized to jump into easily. |
| 07:22.44 | Patlabor221 | if I can get P24 going a little more, BZflag will be nothing more then yet another game plugin |
| 07:23.20 | Patlabor221 | that could be writen in C++ or python |
| 07:24.01 | captain_proton | on a completely unrelated note |
| 07:24.12 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: grab jungle from here: http://www.animesuki.com/torrents.php |
| 07:24.24 | captain_proton | (bottom of the page) |
| 07:24.26 | Patlabor221 | no got torrent |
| 07:24.28 | captain_proton | [guu rocks] |
| 07:24.34 | captain_proton | bah, download bittorrent |
| 07:24.39 | captain_proton | its about a 30k program |
| 07:24.47 | Patlabor221 | but I fear change |
| 07:24.51 | Patlabor221 | can't I just hack something? |
| 07:24.53 | captain_proton | guu demands it! |
| 07:25.17 | JBDiGriz | ~guu |
| 07:25.31 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:25.44 | Patlabor221 | you lie, allmost 300k |
| 07:25.46 | JBDiGriz | gnu uses unix? |
| 07:25.53 | captain_proton | ibot: guu is a cute little girl... *BAFU* |
| 07:25.54 | | okay, captain_proton |
| 07:26.01 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:26.05 | Patlabor221 | is it the one with the boobs? |
| 07:26.23 | captain_proton | ibot: guu is also cool and hip |
| 07:26.24 | | captain_proton: okay |
| 07:26.24 | JBDiGriz | like the cute little redhead who graces the p24 page? |
| 07:26.44 | captain_proton | you really have to watch it to understand |
| 07:26.58 | JBDiGriz | she's the one who couldn't possibly walk because of her proportions. |
| 07:27.05 | Patlabor221 | yay, what wonderfull crashing software |
| 07:27.21 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: get a macintosh. :) |
| 07:27.34 | Patlabor221 | send me 5 grand, or a new style G4 case |
| 07:27.39 | captain_proton | here's a picture of guu: http://www.animeco.com/fansubs/fansub_details.php?series=Jungle_Wa_Itsumo_hale_Nochi_Guu |
| 07:28.21 | captain_proton | =) |
| 07:28.21 | Patlabor221 | all bittorent does is crash |
| 07:28.39 | JBDiGriz | She doesn't appear to have any bones in her arms. |
| 07:29.16 | captain_proton | hmm, now that you mention it, i don't think she does |
| 07:34.05 | captain_proton | then again, guu is physiologically interesting in many ways |
| 07:35.24 | Patlabor221 | must be what makes it undownloadable |
| 07:35.49 | captain_proton | i suppose you could grab them from navi... |
| 07:36.41 | Patlabor221 | it apears as the bittorent thing has one to many \s in it's paths \\\ instead of \ |
| 07:36.46 | Patlabor221 | well instead of \\ |
| 07:37.09 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 07:37.35 | Patlabor221 | errors I get all say that it can't find a file in a path, and it's got \\ in the dialog |
| 07:37.48 | captain_proton | hmm, weird |
| 07:38.00 | captain_proton | whatcha want as a username? :) |
| 07:38.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:38.05 | Patlabor221 | jeffm |
| 07:38.29 | JBDiGriz | have fun, g'nite |
| 07:42.36 | Patlabor221 | good lord, the animated star trek?!?! what the hell is wrong with you 2? :) |
| 07:42.51 | captain_proton | i think that was lurgyman's fault |
| 07:43.00 | Patlabor221 | burn it!!! |
| 07:43.04 | captain_proton | we only have 2 episodes... |
| 07:43.30 | Patlabor221 | and this is coming from a man who watched that shit like clockwork when he was 8 :) |
| 07:43.38 | captain_proton | hehehehe |
| 07:43.56 | captain_proton | the thing is, if i got rid of it |
| 07:44.02 | captain_proton | then lurgyman would probably insist i get rid of blakes7 |
| 07:44.23 | Patlabor221 | we all have to have our crap shows |
| 07:44.39 | scanline | navi isn't quite low on space yet |
| 07:45.14 | Patlabor221 | I can see what movies Jermy has at work, and posibly add more for you |
| 07:45.35 | captain_proton | just about anything is appreciated |
| 07:45.44 | captain_proton | anime & old sci-fi are appreciated the most :) |
| 07:46.35 | Patlabor221 | if I could get the bastard IT guy to open ssh for me, I'd let you rip stuff on asgard |
| 07:47.14 | Patlabor221 | I have a dvdrom ready to go in there |
| 07:47.23 | Patlabor221 | but can't keep ssh up for over a day |
| 07:49.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah but if you said you would open SSH for me, you would get it right, and not take the entire company off the net each time you screw up trying. |
| 07:49.56 | captain_proton | true |
| 07:50.14 | Patlabor221 | the machine has legit work related reasons for ssh |
| 07:50.19 | Patlabor221 | CVS namely |
| 07:50.33 | captain_proton | hmm, speaking of work |
| 07:50.44 | captain_proton | i should get svn up and running there |
| 07:51.50 | captain_proton | hmm, so i went out to get the mail |
| 07:51.55 | captain_proton | and its quite pleasant outside |
| 07:52.03 | captain_proton | a crisp 25 degrees :) |
| 07:52.07 | Patlabor221 | ouch |
| 07:52.14 | Patlabor221 | so how is apartment life? |
| 07:52.20 | Patlabor221 | no roomie deaths? |
| 07:52.24 | captain_proton | no roomie deaths |
| 07:52.28 | Patlabor221 | good |
| 07:52.30 | scanline | yay |
| 07:52.31 | captain_proton | desperately need to clean the bathroom :P |
| 07:52.37 | Patlabor221 | that can happen |
| 07:52.42 | scanline | it's still not as bad as when we first got here |
| 07:52.47 | captain_proton | yeah, i'm planning to enlist scanline to do it this weekend |
| 07:52.53 | captain_proton | scanline: well - the toilet isn't |
| 07:53.02 | captain_proton | but the rest is worse |
| 07:53.05 | Patlabor221 | get one of those high pressure power washers |
| 07:53.23 | captain_proton | like how nobody emptied the wastebasket, and we've been gathering tissues & qtips & hair on the floor :P |
| 07:53.25 | Patlabor221 | took the paint right off parts of the motorcycle |
| 07:53.46 | scanline | hmm.. I always forget we even have one in the bathroom |
| 07:54.11 | scanline | bleh, the TA must really hate grading these |
| 07:54.23 | captain_proton | i bet |
| 07:54.56 | scanline | this will probably end up around 15 pages... plus we email in a tar file with all these test cases in a somewhat runnable state |
| 07:55.04 | scanline | and it's all pure useless crap |
| 07:55.38 | scanline | they could at least have a sane format for test cases rather than having them all be separate files... |
| 07:57.18 | Patlabor221 | any giant robot with a cloak has to be good |
| 07:58.11 | Patlabor221 | http://store6.yimg.com/I/animequest_1759_1204150 |
| 07:58.57 | Patlabor221 | I got one of the others in the series, detail is amazing |
| 07:59.11 | Patlabor221 | they even painted the little warning and "no step" labels on parts |
| 07:59.29 | captain_proton | heh |
| 08:00.55 | Patlabor221 | and it can hold a bazoka on it's ass :) |
| 08:01.09 | captain_proton | um |
| 08:01.14 | captain_proton | isn't that the same one you need? |
| 08:01.19 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 08:01.25 | Patlabor221 | same series |
| 08:01.32 | captain_proton | links look the same |
| 08:01.41 | Patlabor221 | they are both gundams from the same show |
| 08:01.51 | captain_proton | <Patlabor221> http://store6.yimg.com/I/animequest_1759_1204150 |
| 08:01.56 | captain_proton | * Patlabor221 has this one, http://store6.yimg.com/I/animequest_1759_1204150 |
| 08:02.13 | Patlabor221 | grrr |
| 08:02.14 | Patlabor221 | http://www.microforever.com/gundamfix/0003.htm |
| 08:02.17 | Patlabor221 | how bout that one:) |
| 08:02.26 | Patlabor221 | silly V being next to C |
| 08:02.29 | captain_proton | i see |
| 08:02.40 | scanline | ROBOTS!!!!!! |
| 08:03.13 | captain_proton | hah |
| 08:03.19 | captain_proton | its got a lightsaber |
| 08:03.48 | captain_proton | heh |
| 08:03.48 | Patlabor221 | beamsaber they call it |
| 08:04.59 | Patlabor221 | I shold scan in some of the origonal gundam fix art |
| 08:05.01 | Patlabor221 | one was great |
| 08:05.31 | Patlabor221 | it was a photoshop job of some aircraft plant, but they had renderd in a gundam being built on the main floor instead of planes |
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| 08:05.54 | bomber | moin |
| 08:06.05 | scanline | squidgey |
| 08:06.07 | Patlabor221 | another was a doctored shot of some generic sat image of the earth, but they put a gundam in flight off to one side |
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| 13:12.35 | RedRock | hi I want to install bzedit and so I'm trying to login on the cvs-server..but it won't accept enter :)..has soembody any idea? |
| 13:21.08 | david_v | i didn't have any problems with cvs |
| 13:21.15 | david_v | what command did you use? |
| 13:25.24 | RedRock | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login |
| 13:28.22 | RedRock | when I press enter: |
| 13:28.24 | RedRock | cvs login: authorization failed: server cvs.sourceforge.net rejected access to /cvsroot/bzflag for user anonymous |
| 13:29.03 | david_v | yeah i get the same... but it worked before... hm |
| 13:31.23 | david_v | could be a temporary error... i mean, it should work :) |
| 13:31.30 | RedRock | he |
| 13:31.41 | RedRock | it's not the first time indeed. |
| 13:31.51 | RedRock | had this also with other projects..but it's annoying |
| 13:31.59 | david_v | yah |
| 13:32.06 | RedRock | why aren't there any tarballs? |
| 13:32.13 | RedRock | would be handy |
| 13:32.19 | triclops | ~sfsnap |
| 13:32.21 | | hmm... sfsnap is http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 13:32.27 | triclops | try that |
| 13:32.32 | RedRock | ok I wikll thanks |
| 13:32.46 | triclops | no worries :) |
| 13:32.51 | RedRock | thnaks :) |
| 13:35.34 | RedRock | now to find bzedit between all these files...phew |
| 13:35.47 | david_v | hopefully there's a bzedit dir :) |
| 13:37.00 | RedRock | can't fidn it really hehe :d |
| 13:37.36 | triclops | RedRock: you looking for bzedit for windows to edit bz maps? |
| 13:37.38 | david_v | i'd say it's the wrong tarball heh |
| 13:37.44 | RedRock | no the version for linux |
| 13:37.59 | triclops | there's a version for linux ?!?!?! |
| 13:37.59 | RedRock | I can see it's in cvs..but can't access cvs.. |
| 13:38.04 | RedRock | yep |
| 13:38.04 | david_v | triclops: lol |
| 13:38.16 | RedRock | :) |
| 13:38.45 | david_v | RedRock: i can tar up my bzedit dir and put it up on Apache |
| 13:38.47 | RedRock | it's called bzedit :) |
| 13:39.01 | RedRock | nfine for me if you would liek to do that... |
| 13:39.07 | RedRock | is it a recent evrsion? |
| 13:39.28 | triclops | ahh i see now :P |
| 13:39.46 | RedRock | yeah but I can't access cvs..liek mentionned before |
| 13:40.00 | triclops | yeah anon cvs has been broken for a few weeks now |
| 13:40.35 | RedRock | very annoying..if teh only recent version is in cvs |
| 13:41.41 | david_v | RedRock: there's no such thing as a "recent version" for the Linux port, it seems. it misses several features that the Windows version has |
| 13:41.47 | triclops | hmm. hey cniV you there? |
| 13:41.49 | david_v | but i'll put it up and you'll see for yourself |
| 13:42.14 | RedRock | ok thanks david_v |
| 13:43.07 | RedRock | can ytou run teh recent version udner wine? |
| 13:43.14 | RedRock | but don't liek to do that actually |
| 13:43.38 | david_v | http://213.200.135.241:8080/bzflag/ |
| 13:43.43 | RedRock | thanks |
| 13:43.46 | RedRock | let's see |
| 13:43.47 | david_v | it is possible, but i haven't tried yet |
| 13:43.49 | david_v | np |
| 13:44.02 | david_v | i mean |
| 13:44.06 | david_v | it is possible that it's possible :) |
| 13:44.19 | RedRock | it's so small |
| 13:45.01 | cniV | yup |
| 13:45.01 | david_v | yeah |
| 13:45.01 | cniV | im still here |
| 13:45.20 | cniV | frantically doing functional analysis :) |
| 13:45.35 | triclops | can you checkout bzedit from the /cvs/bzedit and stick it on your unsw page? |
| 13:45.48 | cniV | bzedit huh |
| 13:46.03 | triclops | s//cvs/bzedit//cvs/bzflag |
| 13:46.07 | triclops | yep |
| 13:46.20 | cniV | cant you co? |
| 13:46.34 | cniV | snapshots up anywhere? |
| 13:46.37 | triclops | i haven't got full cvs and anon is down |
| 13:46.42 | triclops | snapshots are just for the bzflag part |
| 13:46.59 | cniV | so you want bzflag? |
| 13:47.02 | cniV | or bzedit |
| 13:47.36 | triclops | run cvs -z3 -d:pserver:USERNAME@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzedit |
| 13:47.43 | triclops | or however you do it |
| 13:47.44 | cniV | done |
| 13:47.47 | cniV | ive got it |
| 13:47.52 | cniV | want me to tar it up? |
| 13:47.59 | triclops | coolness, that would be great |
| 13:48.35 | cniV | www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~kchan/bzedit.tar.bz2 |
| 13:48.56 | triclops | thanks cniV. Yo david_v and RedRock get your fresh bzedit :) |
| 13:49.08 | triclops | functional analysis sounds boring |
| 13:49.14 | cniV | sif |
| 13:49.18 | cniV | linear operators! |
| 13:49.47 | triclops | ek, why you doing that? |
| 13:49.57 | cniV | maths |
| 13:50.14 | triclops | is that for thesis? |
| 13:50.28 | david_v | triclops: hehe done |
| 13:50.30 | cniV | no its for an assignment thats due on monday |
| 13:50.48 | RedRock | tx |
| 13:51.25 | triclops | you did two other subjects besides thesis B? |
| 13:51.54 | triclops | no worries david_v and RedRock |
| 13:52.07 | cniV | no i did 3 other subjects besides thesis B |
| 13:52.10 | cniV | and im working part time |
| 13:52.12 | cniV | and im tutoring |
| 13:52.36 | triclops | you are crazy. |
| 13:53.29 | cniV | quite |
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| 14:37.37 | RedRock | hi again.....I have a problem..configuring the code....when I try to configure it..it says that the newly created files are older than the ones present. This could be soemthing about teh difference between ouc clocks..although there should be a solution for this ofcourse...I tried another tarbal..and it worked |
| 14:37.43 | RedRock | a littl ebit of text :d |
| 14:43.21 | RedRock | not easy to install this program |
| 14:44.45 | RedRock | bzedit |
| 14:45.31 | RedRock | hehe tx..will install teh windows version for now..can't loose any mroe time |
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| 16:14.22 | Quol | anyone listening? |
| 16:14.24 | tapo | hi |
| 16:14.31 | Quol | hello tapo - how are ya? |
| 16:14.52 | Quol | how is your bz world shell scripts going? |
| 16:18.14 | tapo | I watch the sourceforge projects stats graph every day :-) |
| 16:18.28 | tapo | as you probably know it is online on ducati:5157 |
| 16:18.33 | Bagheera | hey quol |
| 16:18.53 | Quol | hey Bags - what's up with you?? |
| 16:19.08 | Quol | tapo- is it just the trees still? or more objects? |
| 16:19.49 | tapo | more. |
| 16:19.53 | tapo | and more :-) |
| 16:20.01 | tapo | and some more things |
| 16:20.13 | tapo | around 79kB world file... |
| 16:20.42 | Quol | will take a look then... |
| 16:20.51 | tapo | created with a script (demo/scene03.sh, included in archive). Just added some little pyramids to stop laser beams... |
| 16:20.52 | Quol | Bagheera - any new worlds? |
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| 16:57.20 | Patlabor221 | localhost is 128.0.2.1 ? |
| 16:59.27 | Quol | 127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:01.19 | Quol | hey there strayetr |
| 17:01.24 | strayer | hi :o) |
| 17:01.39 | Quol | what's up? |
| 17:02.12 | strayer | well..my life is boring...so I have no interesting info 4 you ;) |
| 17:02.21 | strayer | and U? |
| 17:02.46 | Quol | sorry to hear that - not much with me either - working from home today - that's about it for me |
| 17:03.35 | [dmp] | hi strayer |
| 17:03.53 | [dmp] | I cant afford an interesting life, so no fun here either :) |
| 17:03.53 | strayer | well...we have a public holiday today :)) |
| 17:03.58 | strayer | nhi [dmp] |
| 17:04.07 | [dmp] | ^- tsk tsk |
| 17:04.14 | [dmp] | :) |
| 17:04.17 | strayer | hehe... |
| 17:04.36 | Patlabor221 | is 0 a valid port? |
| 17:05.26 | [dmp] | Doubt it |
| 17:05.39 | Patlabor221 | as do I |
| 17:05.42 | Patlabor221 | so it is now :) |
| 17:06.11 | strayer | yepp... 0 is a valid port...so I agree |
| 17:06.25 | strayer | not... |
| 17:06.47 | Quol | Patlabor221 - you talking TCP/UDP port? |
| 17:06.48 | Patlabor221 | does anyone actualyuse port 0? |
| 17:06.50 | [dmp] | You know that all ports below 1024 requires you to be root (on unix)? |
| 17:06.50 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:06.59 | Quol | then no - ports start at 1 |
| 17:07.12 | strayer | ?...really? |
| 17:07.14 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:07.16 | Quol | yes |
| 17:07.21 | Quol | 1 - 65535 |
| 17:07.25 | Patlabor221 | I'm just boundry checking my input |
| 17:07.41 | Patlabor221 | if they set a port below 1024 then they better have the right access :) |
| 17:08.07 | Quol | what are you working on pat? |
| 17:08.20 | Quol | the new network code for 1.10 or something? |
| 17:08.28 | Patlabor221 | not exactly |
| 17:08.35 | strayer | Quol: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 17:08.36 | Patlabor221 | but is is network code of that sort |
| 17:09.12 | Patlabor221 | well if it's reserverd, that's just as good as being invalid |
| 17:09.13 | Quol | strayer - yes - but 0 is reserved.... |
| 17:09.30 | Quol | so they start at 1...think of it like IP subnetting |
| 17:10.11 | Quol | the network "numbers" can't be used as IP addresses - they sort of used that same philosohpy with TCp ports |
| 17:10.16 | strayer | the ports 225-241 too... |
| 17:10.20 | Patlabor221 | quol, what I am working on, think of it as redoing it all from the top, not worrying about legacy or compatablility, an using newer tech |
| 17:14.01 | Quol | so an update will follow 1.10 that isn't compatible with 1.10?? |
| 17:14.18 | Patlabor221 | well 1.12 probably won't be |
| 17:14.35 | Patlabor221 | but this isn't really intended as an "update" to day |
| 17:14.46 | Patlabor221 | sorry say ! day |
| 17:15.13 | Patlabor221 | the verisoning system says that any 1.10.xx version should be compatable |
| 17:15.32 | Quol | with your new code? |
| 17:15.56 | Patlabor221 | think about it the other way arround. |
| 17:16.03 | Patlabor221 | I don't think this code will go into BZ |
| 17:16.08 | Patlabor221 | but the oposet can happen |
| 17:16.23 | Patlabor221 | this code has no existing BZ code in it |
| 17:16.27 | Quol | ahhh - I see said the blind man |
| 17:16.49 | Quol | so - what are you gonna call it? |
| 17:16.53 | Quol | :) |
| 17:17.05 | Patlabor221 | it has no final name as of yet |
| 17:17.17 | Patlabor221 | but it's got forums damnit ! :) |
| 17:17.24 | Quol | lol |
| 17:17.44 | Quol | you using your bzbb I guess for it :) |
| 17:17.48 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 17:17.57 | Quol | new forums - where? |
| 17:18.30 | Patlabor221 | basicly it's a redux of the entire system. From ground up, with ease of modification and expansion as it's core gloals |
| 17:18.44 | Patlabor221 | http://p24.bakadigital.com/p24bb/ |
| 17:19.35 | Quol | ahh - this is [roject 24 - I was wondering who owned it |
| 17:21.31 | Patlabor221 | yes, but that is not it's final game |
| 17:21.34 | [dmp] | Makes he think. People like the simplicity of the bzflag graphics. But I know a few of my friends who didnt even care to try, becaused it looked outdated and ugly. I know I shouldnt care, but I would imagine that more possible players things the same way. |
| 17:22.15 | [dmp] | "Makes he think" :) |
| 17:22.15 | Patlabor221 | I think a number of people would play the same simple gameplay with good graphics |
| 17:22.52 | [dmp] | yeah |
| 17:22.53 | Patlabor221 | but then I am also making the system able support a great number of difrent game types in the same system |
| 17:23.19 | Quol | cool- have you checked out the graphics for BZFrank's stuff |
| 17:23.34 | [dmp] | I just think its abit short-sighted to say "no" to gfx improvements, because we like it how it is. |
| 17:23.41 | Quol | maybe a merger can happen? instead of two more forks?? |
| 17:24.49 | Quol | it kills my graphics card - it just *barely* runs on my 566 ATI 9200 128MB DDR 256MB RAM system |
| 17:25.53 | Patlabor221 | this is not even a fork |
| 17:26.10 | [dmp] | ok, thats a good reason why im not gonna try it :) |
| 17:26.17 | Patlabor221 | with this design, the bzflag gameplay can be implemented as one of many game type plugins |
| 17:26.34 | Patlabor221 | while still having other servers run other game types |
| 17:26.41 | [dmp] | Where do people get sounds? is there a (Free) sound-library ? Or do people steal for opensource-games? |
| 17:26.55 | Patlabor221 | some of each |
| 17:27.03 | Patlabor221 | there are PD game resources our tehre |
| 17:27.11 | Patlabor221 | or you get a mike and start recording stuff |
| 17:27.55 | Quol | sounds cool Patlabor221 - you sold me on it :) |
| 17:28.04 | Patlabor221 | this system allso allows for multiple rendereres for each game type, so that you could make one that does simple graphics for low end cards, and complex ones for high end systems |
| 17:28.17 | Patlabor221 | and users can choose |
| 17:28.29 | Patlabor221 | you could even make a 2d renderer if you wanted. |
| 17:28.39 | Patlabor221 | display is separate from gameplay |
| 17:28.45 | Quol | very cool - how far along is it? |
| 17:28.55 | Patlabor221 | all the core libs are done |
| 17:29.07 | Patlabor221 | the design is fairly fleshed out. |
| 17:29.20 | Patlabor221 | I finished the list server yesterday |
| 17:29.36 | Patlabor221 | working on the server core now. |
| 17:30.09 | Patlabor221 | then it's just fleshing out the common game type services, and making a test game type on client and server. |
| 17:30.22 | Patlabor221 | I've put all the specs and stuff in those forums |
| 17:30.31 | Patlabor221 | for public review and comments |
| 17:30.37 | Quol | let me know when you are ready to test - if you want help testing that is |
| 17:30.47 | Patlabor221 | ohh I'm sure I will :) |
| 17:31.03 | Patlabor221 | I think the best feature people will like will be the server "rooms" |
| 17:31.19 | Patlabor221 | each game server isn't just a single game state |
| 17:31.51 | Patlabor221 | you could say run one room FFA, and one room CTF on the same server. |
| 17:32.15 | Patlabor221 | then have some people on there start a private CTF room for a leauge game, and have people join it. |
| 17:32.23 | Patlabor221 | and be password protected. |
| 17:32.27 | Quol | can the tanks move from room to room? or do you have to connect to a specific room>? |
| 17:32.29 | Patlabor221 | then when they are done, the room despawns |
| 17:32.53 | Patlabor221 | you connect to the server via a plubic room. then you can go to any room on the server you have access too |
| 17:33.19 | Patlabor221 | a server can have perminant non public rooms if it wishes |
| 17:33.35 | Patlabor221 | you can even have "spaned" rooms |
| 17:33.39 | Quol | perminent private rooms then? |
| 17:33.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:33.53 | Quol | spaned rooms? |
| 17:34.04 | Patlabor221 | a spanned room is a single gamestate that goes across multiple servers |
| 17:34.08 | Quol | rooms that encompase multiple game types? |
| 17:34.16 | Patlabor221 | no multiple server machines |
| 17:34.16 | Quol | ahhh |
| 17:34.42 | Quol | so you can scale it or use multiple servers for fault tolerance? |
| 17:35.03 | Patlabor221 | for fualts, and to help spread bandwith |
| 17:35.15 | Patlabor221 | so people could connect to the server that is closest to them |
| 17:35.27 | [dmp] | Would be cool if the new (if ever) league system is flexible enough to support games like the one you are working on.. |
| 17:35.27 | Patlabor221 | then the servers can use there fat pipes to talk to each other. |
| 17:35.31 | Quol | how do the servers share "state" send update messages in real time? |
| 17:35.39 | Quol | or the clients take care of htat |
| 17:35.59 | Patlabor221 | the servers sent updates umongst themseleeves |
| 17:36.06 | Patlabor221 | the server has a complete game state |
| 17:36.17 | Quol | wow - sounds very cool |
| 17:36.32 | Patlabor221 | the only reason the clients have a game state is to smooth out rendering. |
| 17:36.50 | Patlabor221 | well that's the plan at least |
| 17:47.10 | bryjen | hehe. Authorative Serverside Stuff leads to cheaters being kicked _by_ ASS. |
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| 17:53.31 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 17:54.09 | Quol | hey TyroneFHornigh |
| 17:56.58 | Koba | Quol: sry, no new maps on my end |
| 17:57.27 | Quol | how's that for lag Koba :) |
| 17:57.35 | Koba | Quol: unless you count the 1.9 madcity modification |
| 17:57.39 | Koba | Quol: lunch lag |
| 17:59.43 | Quol | what was for lunch? |
| 18:00.03 | Koba | cajun chicken sandwich @ chili's |
| 18:00.13 | Quol | mmmmm - sounds good |
| 18:00.59 | Koba | it was, until the cockroaches started a parade on the post behind me.... |
| 18:01.52 | bryjen | everybody loves a parade! but ewww... |
| 18:04.38 | Patlabor221 | ASS will rock :) |
| 18:05.00 | Quol | TyroneFHornigh - how the air over there - still smokey? |
| 18:05.15 | TyroneFHornigh | erm, I'm not sure how to interpret that pat. It's open to many meanings. :) |
| 18:05.41 | Patlabor221 | that it is :) |
| 18:05.57 | Koba | sounds like it is from the WWF |
| 18:06.12 | TyroneFHornigh | Quol: We are getting a heavy marine layer along with a bit of drizzle, so it's a lot less smoky. I'm still rinsing ashes off of my car every morning though. |
| 18:06.49 | Quol | authoritative serverside stuff - is that what you are calling it Pat? a good technical term it is |
| 18:06.51 | Quol | :) |
| 18:06.59 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 18:33.38 | [dmp] | i hate "please-wait-for-a-supporter-to-answer-your-call"-music. |
| 18:33.44 | [dmp] | Why dont they read a story |
| 18:33.54 | [dmp] | "Press 1 to listen to chapter one" |
| 18:34.14 | david_v | oh, they'd get even more calls then. that's exactly what they try to avoid ;) |
| 18:34.21 | [dmp] | You're in a tank. david_v is in front of you, what do you do: 1) Shoot 2) Insult 3) Dodge |
| 18:34.29 | david_v | dodge :) |
| 18:34.35 | [dmp] | 2 |
| 18:34.35 | [dmp] | :) |
| 18:34.43 | david_v | i thought dodge was 3) :) |
| 18:35.03 | [dmp] | If you pick the wrong answer, you're disconnected and need to call again |
| 18:35.15 | [dmp] | that would give abit of excitement.. or .. well .) |
| 18:35.45 | david_v | your ideas are, eh, interesting :) |
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| 20:18.05 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): new bzfls will get gameinfo on SETNUM |
| 20:20.18 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/misc (bzfls.php): ex bzfls.pl clone. Work with mySQL. SQLite is inside but should be fixed |
| 20:26.52 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (TODO): bzfls done. Testing has to be |
| 20:33.45 | Patlabor221 | ahh it's so nice that it's not all smokey and nasty out side. |
| 20:41.01 | Patlabor221 | how is the one out by you guys? |
| 20:41.14 | scanline | there were some very large but not terribly close forest fires, it was really smoky outside and there was occasioanlly ash falling |
| 20:41.22 | scanline | dunno about this one |
| 20:41.31 | Patlabor221 | we've had ash for almost a week |
| 20:41.38 | scanline | wow |
| 20:41.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's nasty |
| 20:42.04 | Patlabor221 | tho fog and moistness the last 2 days has helped |
| 20:42.39 | Patlabor221 | poo, the transfer to navi craped out :( |
| 20:42.57 | scanline | I think one of our DSL lines went down again this morning |
| 20:43.01 | scanline | crappy actiontec modems |
| 20:43.11 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 20:43.20 | scanline | though the transfer should have still worked if one modem went down |
| 20:43.22 | Patlabor221 | well I'm resuming it |
| 20:43.25 | scanline | it's supposed to have some redundancy |
| 20:43.30 | Patlabor221 | I think it was me |
| 20:43.41 | scanline | ah |
| 20:43.51 | Patlabor221 | I'm putting stuff in your incoming dir is that the place? |
| 20:44.01 | scanline | suppose that works |
| 20:44.23 | scanline | you have permissions to add files to /navi/media, so you can file things correctly once they finish |
| 20:44.45 | Patlabor221 | well I didn't know if you wanted to rename them to fit your system |
| 20:44.47 | scanline | just as long as they're going somewhere on /navi.. there's not as much space elsewhere |
| 20:44.58 | scanline | yeah, they'll probably need renaming |
| 20:45.04 | scanline | we have an organizational scheme and such :) |
| 20:45.08 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:45.17 | Patlabor221 | i'm going in /navi/incoming/Anime/anime soundtracks |
| 20:45.30 | Patlabor221 | gotta fill out your anime music |
| 20:45.49 | scanline | mm, cute |
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| 20:59.54 | captain_proton | doodeedoo |
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| 21:00.08 | Patlabor221 | ahh there he is |
| 21:01.14 | TyroneFHornigh | he who? |
| 21:01.46 | Patlabor221 | capy |
| 21:01.54 | Noodleman | http://stats.bzflag.org/ |
| 21:02.01 | Noodleman | just finished rewriting it |
| 21:02.36 | Patlabor221 | Ilike the color |
| 21:02.42 | Noodleman | no code from the old s.b.o is in the new |
| 21:02.48 | Noodleman | i do to :-) |
| 21:03.18 | Patlabor221 | looks decently slick |
| 21:03.36 | Noodleman | thx |
| 21:03.55 | Patlabor221 | may be nice to have those current facts in a table or something |
| 21:04.02 | Noodleman | maybe |
| 21:04.05 | Patlabor221 | and maybe keep a history |
| 21:04.12 | Patlabor221 | like now, for the day, and for the week |
| 21:04.32 | Noodleman | i might do that in the future |
| 21:05.15 | Noodleman | for such a belligerent cheater, spoogebob shouldn't be in the hall of shame :-) |
| 21:05.21 | Patlabor221 | and maybe something that seperates news from facts, like a HR tho |
| 21:05.30 | Noodleman | ok |
| 21:05.32 | TyroneFHornigh | Is all of our previous information gone? |
| 21:05.38 | Noodleman | i have it saved |
| 21:05.52 | Noodleman | all is not lost |
| 21:06.05 | TyroneFHornigh | spooge showed up on quol for a few seconds last night, I grabbed his current IP. |
| 21:06.15 | Noodleman | but i decided not to use it because it doesn't have kill ratio information |
| 21:06.17 | Noodleman | just score |
| 21:06.36 | Noodleman | i complianed to his ISP the other day |
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| 21:06.54 | TyroneFHornigh | It's hardly relevant, but I didn't see a way to search for my previous registration. |
| 21:06.58 | Noodleman | i'm sure i'm not the first |
| 21:07.19 | Noodleman | it's in storage; there's no way to get to it from the web page |
| 21:07.40 | Noodleman | it's just going to be stats, not a community portal |
| 21:07.54 | Noodleman | we've got bzbb for that |
| 21:08.14 | Patlabor221 | ahh then no more IP hacks :) |
| 21:08.29 | Noodleman | hehe, precisely :-) |
| 21:18.45 | Noodleman | but i still gather info about IP's, so be good! |
| 21:19.34 | Chestal | invisibles #3 and #8? |
| 21:19.47 | Patlabor221 | you have 7? |
| 21:19.54 | Patlabor221 | we don't have 3, 7, or 8 |
| 21:20.13 | Chestal | 7 is easy :-) |
| 21:20.18 | Chestal | I got it by deduction |
| 21:20.37 | Chestal | ask yourself, what the person is doing, then why he might be doing it |
| 21:20.50 | Patlabor221 | sawing off the heels of shoes |
| 21:20.54 | Patlabor221 | so they won't fall |
| 21:20.54 | Chestal | then guess a movie which has a theme fitting that |
| 21:21.09 | captain_proton | ~invisibles |
| 21:21.11 | | rumour has it, invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 21:21.16 | Patlabor221 | totsie? |
| 21:21.29 | Chestal | hmm, it turns out that I haven't been paying attention to that much detail |
| 21:21.29 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: did you watch the first jungle? :) |
| 21:21.36 | Chestal | so my deduction was based on wrong facts :-) |
| 21:21.51 | Patlabor221 | no, they downloaded like 3 of them, but I'm at work now |
| 21:21.53 | Chestal | but it works with sawing shoes, too |
| 21:21.58 | Patlabor221 | so I will watch them onight |
| 21:22.24 | captain_proton | yay |
| 21:22.26 | Patlabor221 | Chestal, then I don't get it :) |
| 21:22.28 | captain_proton | cool and hip, brother |
| 21:22.42 | TyroneFHornigh | Chestal: Based on that hint, I got 7. :) |
| 21:22.53 | Chestal | Tyrone: ah, good :-) |
| 21:24.05 | Chestal | Patlabor: hard to tell, it's not a recent one |
| 21:24.27 | Patlabor221 | did it have giant robots in it? |
| 21:24.34 | TyroneFHornigh | probably not, it has nothing to do with science, or geeks. :) |
| 21:24.34 | captain_proton | ROBOTS!!!! |
| 21:25.12 | Chestal | Patlabor: another hint: that is his wife's (or maybe common) stuff he's messing with |
| 21:25.35 | Patlabor221 | Death becomes her |
| 21:25.36 | Chestal | hmm, how many movies with giant robots in them are there? |
| 21:25.48 | captain_proton | the animation show has giant robots |
| 21:26.07 | TyroneFHornigh | Chestal: What are you missing? |
| 21:26.12 | Patlabor221 | Chestal, many you just have to know where to look |
| 21:26.13 | Chestal | Tyrone: 3 and 8 |
| 21:26.34 | Chestal | Patlabor: ok, let's say good movies |
| 21:26.43 | Chestal | only one comes to my mind right now, and that's animated, too |
| 21:26.43 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 21:27.38 | TyroneFHornigh | It doesn't look like I'll be much help this week, although 8 looks familiar for some reason. |
| 21:27.43 | Chestal | Patlabor: you're somewhat on the right track with #7, but not quite |
| 21:28.14 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 21:28.30 | Chestal | what is that item in #3 she is holding (in casae she really is)? |
| 21:28.37 | Patlabor221 | boobies |
| 21:29.14 | Chestal | eh, I am talking of that reddish thingy there |
| 21:29.41 | Patlabor221 | as am I |
| 21:29.42 | TyroneFHornigh | :) |
| 21:29.45 | Chestal | hmm |
| 21:29.53 | Patlabor221 | over the sholder bolder holder |
| 21:30.04 | Chestal | ~dict boobies |
| 21:33.13 | Patlabor221 | we want to say that #8 is Drew Cary |
| 21:34.00 | TyroneFHornigh | It looks a bit thin for Drew. |
| 21:34.07 | Chestal | never heard of him |
| 21:34.14 | dhecka | Chestal: good |
| 21:34.31 | TyroneFHornigh | US comedian, a little on the crude side. |
| 21:41.48 | Patlabor221 | somone also wants to say that #3 is Jen Aniston, but I say not cus no vis nips |
| 21:43.53 | TyroneFHornigh | I didn't think that was her body, although she was in a movie with a giant robot. :) |
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| 21:55.40 | Noodleman | moof |
| 21:56.55 | tapo | barf! barf! |
| 21:57.06 | Noodleman | here's a bag |
| 21:58.03 | TyroneFHornigh | tapo: Are you a Wambaugh fan? |
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| 22:00.31 | tapo | dunno Wambaugh |
| 22:00.48 | brlcad | me either |
| 22:02.07 | purple_cow | so brlcad, i think your disk space estimates didn't include the dvds |
| 22:02.31 | TyroneFHornigh | LA, California policeman, who started writing novels about policework. One was about the border patrol in the Mexico desert. They formed a unit which they called BARF, so they could run around yelling barf! barf! |
| 22:07.31 | brlcad | heh, how so, purple? |
| 22:07.36 | brlcad | what's the usage? |
| 22:07.41 | TyroneFHornigh | ~dict snog |
| 22:07.58 | TyroneFHornigh | rotflmao |
| 22:08.05 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:08.41 | purple_cow | brlcad: 28G |
| 22:08.45 | TyroneFHornigh | so much for MrAC's theory that cap has a girlfriend. :) |
| 22:08.53 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:09.29 | brlcad | yea, must have been the video dvd's.. did you capture them to mpeg or snarf them raw? |
| 22:09.40 | purple_cow | just copied the filesystem over raw |
| 22:09.52 | purple_cow | but it looks like the vobs are unencrypted |
| 22:09.57 | purple_cow | which makes sense |
| 22:10.11 | brlcad | yeah,they'd have to be.. international crowd and all |
| 22:10.29 | purple_cow | well - region coded != encrypted |
| 22:10.39 | purple_cow | but still, it doesn't make a huge amount of sense to encrypt something like that |
| 22:10.53 | brlcad | that's what I mean |
| 22:14.09 | bryjen | TyroneFHornigh: oddly enough, gDict has smooch as a synonym of snog. And smooch noun = a kiss, verb = snuggle..... like snog |
| 22:14.48 | bryjen | I'd never heard smooch used that way. |
| 22:14.51 | Patlabor221 | whoo, I'm up to 24k/s up to navi |
| 22:14.55 | bryjen | Or snog at all |
| 22:15.01 | purple_cow | wheee |
| 22:15.16 | purple_cow | 80M/s read, 41M/s write |
| 22:15.17 | TyroneFHornigh | bryjen: That's what I thought the meaning was, so I was surprised to see cap using it in that reference. |
| 22:15.46 | Patlabor221 | perhaps he's just REALLY lonely :) |
| 22:16.05 | TyroneFHornigh | Hey, learner isn't a bad looking guy :) |
| 22:16.18 | purple_cow | well - learner made me happy |
| 22:16.18 | Patlabor221 | wodn't his GF mind tho? |
| 22:16.27 | bryjen | excited by big disks |
| 22:16.30 | TyroneFHornigh | Who's gf? |
| 22:16.37 | Patlabor221 | learner |
| 22:16.50 | TyroneFHornigh | brlcad: Do you have a gf these days? |
| 22:17.17 | TyroneFHornigh | Maybe she's rather intrigued by the thought? :) |
| 22:17.18 | Patlabor221 | I thought I recall him having some form of female companion |
| 22:18.10 | tapo | hm, what about a holo flag? you press a key, and 50-100 pixels in front of you pops up a holo copy of your tank. |
| 22:18.26 | Patlabor221 | BigO is done, RahXepon is done, and it's on Cowboy beepop nbow :) |
| 22:18.34 | TyroneFHornigh | tapo: You could call it a lag flag, it has the same effect. |
| 22:18.46 | tapo | great ;-) |
| 22:18.47 | Patlabor221 | HPB flag |
| 22:19.10 | bryjen | I think someone suggested something like that.... mirage? |
| 22:19.47 | tapo | or "a one time beam-away flag". I stop thinking about flags. I hope. |
| 22:19.48 | brlcad | purple_cow: ttcp is network performance |
| 22:19.52 | purple_cow | you'd have to check the FlagList |
| 22:20.32 | tapo | there are some flags ne win 1.7(g2) (?) I've never seen on a server... |
| 22:20.43 | bryjen | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/FlagList |
| 22:20.55 | tapo | ? "nw win" = "new in" :) |
| 22:21.07 | bryjen | HoloGram. already rejected |
| 22:21.27 | Patlabor221 | 1.7g2 didn't have any new flags from e4 |
| 22:21.44 | tapo | USeless flag :-))))) |
| 22:21.54 | Patlabor221 | use it wisely |
| 22:21.57 | purple_cow | tapo: thats in 1.9 |
| 22:22.04 | tapo | Patlabor221: I am happy to have placed a "(?)" somewhere... |
| 22:22.25 | purple_cow | g2 has the same flags as e0 had :) |
| 22:23.51 | tapo | but the list is really funny. what about mentioning it in the short channel title? ,-) |
| 22:25.08 | purple_cow | aha |
| 22:25.18 | purple_cow | so apparently the filesystem performance is a lot better when i'm not emerging things |
| 22:25.30 | purple_cow | read is 350M/s, write is 80M/s |
| 22:33.00 | purple_cow | widgey |
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| 23:12.18 | Tupone | ~seen MrApathyCream |
| 23:12.18 | | mrapathycream <~MAC@balt-209-163-100-71.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 17h 2m 7s ago, saying: 'still there is no pybzflag'. |
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| 23:13.41 | Tupone | bzgirl: hi |
| 23:13.48 | Patlabor221 | he usualy comes on later in the evening |
| 23:13.51 | orchid | hello |
| 23:14.23 | purple_cow | i hope he's not bitter about me kicking him last night |
| 23:16.59 | Tupone | captain_proton: do you recently see Obstacle.cxx? It seems to me that Mac made a wrong fix |
| 23:37.06 | Patlabor221 | you actualy kicked MAC? |
| 23:37.29 | Patlabor221 | ohy |
| 23:40.04 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/obstacle (Obstacle.cxx): |
| 23:40.04 | CIA | try interpreting and fixing Mac fixes. |
| 23:40.05 | CIA | Fix a bug that make tank stop at any orizzontal collision. Doubt on == on real |
| 23:44.03 | Tupone | gnite all |
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