| 00:10.00 | Noodleman | how do you kill a zombie process that refuses to be killed |
| 00:10.01 | Noodleman | ? |
| 00:10.27 | captain_proton | kill its parent? |
| 00:10.38 | captain_proton | a zombie is a process whose parent didn't wait for it to die |
| 00:10.45 | Noodleman | the parent can be killed, but the process stays there |
| 00:10.53 | captain_proton | reboot :) |
| 00:10.58 | Noodleman | grrrr |
| 00:12.30 | Noodleman | is there a way to forceably take away the file handles and sockets it's got ahold of without rebooting? |
| 00:12.45 | captain_proton | not that i know of |
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| 00:26.47 | scanline | Noodleman: you could write a kernel module that finds the zombie process and forcibly kills it :) |
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| 01:10.23 | gonkulator | nooo, not Spiff! |
| 01:10.26 | gonkulator | :) |
| 01:10.31 | gonkulator | wait... |
| 01:10.35 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream is here |
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| 01:20.51 | Spiff | Interesting... it booted me. :) |
| 01:21.03 | Spiff | Shows how little I've been around. LoL |
| 01:28.10 | Spiff | Inotherwords.. I just syphened out the dish water. ;) |
| 01:28.11 | Spiff | LoL |
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| 01:28.41 | gonkulator | ugh... |
| 01:28.46 | gonkulator | ok, I guess I am unlurking now |
| 01:28.51 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream: it wasn't my idea :) |
| 01:32.21 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 01:32.51 | gonkulator | Spiff: your "anti-lurk" formula is wearing off :) |
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| 01:45.22 | Van_Mundegaarde | Erm. |
| 01:46.01 | Spiff | How annoying. |
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| 01:46.11 | Spiff | How very very annoying. |
| 01:46.21 | Spiff | It said that all three of my login names were in use. :\ |
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| 02:05.17 | MrApathyCream | i'm off shoveling the sheetz... horses, ya know.... bbiab |
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| 02:19.41 | TimRiker | Noodleman: what's up with Noodlebot? I said "~seen #botpark" in #BotPark and he dies. |
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| 02:29.24 | TimRiker | Noodlema1: what's up with Noodlebot? I said "~seen #botpark" in #BotPark and he dies. |
| 02:33.37 | Noodlema1 | huh |
| 02:33.41 | Noodlema1 | that's werd |
| 03:06.57 | Noodleman | is anybody up for some bunny hunt? |
| 03:07.09 | Noodleman | i haven't got to play that yet |
| 03:08.54 | Noodleman | let's see how much better you will get playing with me :-) |
| 03:09.03 | Patlabor221 | building |
| 03:11.09 | Patlabor221 | do blrcad |
| 03:24.50 | Noodleman | that will be quite cool with alot of players at once |
| 03:25.32 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 03:25.41 | Patlabor221 | 5-8 is good |
| 03:31.26 | Noodleman | i was just playing with 10 robots |
| 03:31.30 | Noodleman | that's fun :-) |
| 03:32.46 | Patlabor221 | heh |
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| 03:47.31 | purple_cow | ok Patlabor221 |
| 03:47.39 | purple_cow | i'm trying this hellsing thing |
| 03:53.25 | Patlabor221 | alucard R0X0rz |
| 03:53.40 | Patlabor221 | you have to find the pun in his name |
| 03:55.23 | purple_cow | its not very subtle |
| 03:55.34 | Patlabor221 | no not to smart people |
| 03:55.47 | Patlabor221 | some coudl not get it for the longest time |
| 03:56.06 | Patlabor221 | tho in japan it was arucard |
| 03:56.16 | Patlabor221 | and that spun around is VERY funny |
| 03:56.47 | purple_cow | heh |
| 03:57.22 | Patlabor221 | souds like something that would fight Godzilla |
| 03:57.43 | purple_cow | yep |
| 03:57.55 | Patlabor221 | <oh no look, it's dracura!!!!!> |
| 03:58.38 | Patlabor221 | it's a good action anime with a decent story |
| 03:58.43 | Patlabor221 | and a harkonen cannon |
| 03:59.01 | Patlabor221 | police girl rocks too |
| 04:09.15 | purple_cow | so far, its not so much my style |
| 04:09.22 | scanline | needs more vampire piggies |
| 04:09.33 | purple_cow | maybe its just that police girl isn't really depressed :) |
| 04:09.45 | scanline | more piggies! |
| 04:10.36 | scanline | you need to put on your ninja socks then kick xvideo's ass a bit wearing them |
| 04:12.18 | Patlabor221 | but run up the wall first |
| 04:12.25 | purple_cow | of course |
| 04:12.52 | MrApathyCream | wow, gravity_waves is a fine example of the 1.9 features |
| 04:12.53 | Patlabor221 | it's not a lain class story, but it's not horible |
| 04:13.00 | purple_cow | put then on your shoes, lets you run up walls |
| 04:13.08 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: watch noir damnit! |
| 04:13.19 | purple_cow | =) |
| 04:13.35 | Patlabor221 | watch red vs blue |
| 04:14.00 | Bagheera | ?? |
| 04:14.16 | scanline | Patlabor221: watch noir damnit! |
| 04:14.17 | Patlabor221 | rahXephon 6 snuck to the top of the pile |
| 04:14.32 | Patlabor221 | as did Rune Soldier Louie 4 |
| 04:15.51 | Patlabor221 | soldat? your part of a strider command team? |
| 04:16.01 | scanline | Patlabor221: watch noir damnit! |
| 04:16.40 | Solidats | watch Noir dangit |
| 04:16.42 | Patlabor221 | I shall, a friend of mine wants to see it as well, so I am waiting till i go over there so he can see it as well |
| 04:17.13 | scanline | we have it on navi as well |
| 04:17.55 | Patlabor221 | I own the box set |
| 04:17.59 | Patlabor221 | got it for bday |
| 04:18.08 | scanline | mm, neat |
| 04:18.29 | Patlabor221 | it's an import, don't know how the subs are |
| 04:18.40 | Patlabor221 | I am looking for a DVDROM for asgard for you cap |
| 04:19.13 | purple_cow | adv is about to finish publishing the US dvds (last one comes out the 28th) |
| 04:19.33 | scanline | spiffy |
| 04:19.34 | Patlabor221 | yes, the cart guy has up to #6 from adv |
| 04:22.11 | scanline | Patlabor221: watch noir! |
| 04:22.21 | scanline | you don't really need sleep |
| 04:22.49 | Patlabor221 | I'm going to his house tomorow, raxephon and noir will be partaken in |
| 04:23.29 | scanline | as long as you make sure to get as little sleep as possible anyway :) |
| 04:23.45 | Patlabor221 | I need to catch up on the "those who hunt elves" as well |
| 04:24.41 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ShotStrategy.cxx): let burrow hit Narrow |
| 04:25.03 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): bug fling |
| 04:25.12 | Patlabor221 | so are like all the 'this hits that' things all explicid? |
| 04:26.05 | scanline | it's like rock paper scissors, but with tanks |
| 04:26.18 | Patlabor221 | and more then 3 things :) |
| 04:26.22 | Patlabor221 | must be a mess |
| 04:26.44 | Patlabor221 | so I gots a question about python |
| 04:28.14 | scanline | uh oh |
| 04:28.40 | Patlabor221 | I have a class thats loaded at runtime from a library, and uses classes from other libs, if I make python bindins for all the static libs, can I have the the class that's loaded at run time posibly be a python script? |
| 04:29.36 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: poking around with irc bots. |
| 04:29.51 | TimRiker | relaxing. playing with supybot at the moment in #BotPark |
| 04:30.06 | MrApathyCream | #BotPark :) |
| 04:30.30 | scanline | Patlabor221: it would take some glue and such, but there's no reason why not |
| 04:31.17 | Patlabor221 | ok I figured it would take something, I just want to make sure its posible. I'm designing it all in a way to hopefully make it not too hard |
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| 04:40.08 | MrApathyCream | it was odd, the glare off your monitor made it look like you were cutting a release |
| 04:43.34 | Patlabor221 | well you do know that the GL state is totatly HOZZZED on windows right? |
| 04:43.42 | scanline | hozed like a fox |
| 04:46.04 | purple_cow | yay for japanese ideas about british society |
| 04:46.11 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:53.14 | MrApathyCream | join #MegaMek |
| 05:01.31 | purple_cow | megamek? |
| 05:03.09 | MrApathyCream | sourceforge project |
| 05:03.17 | MrApathyCream | no #, tho, pparently |
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| 06:39.38 | triclops | ~ping |
| 06:39.40 | | pong |
| 06:39.45 | triclops | :) |
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| 07:13.51 | squashy | i'm not gonna go download bzflag |
| 07:13.54 | squashy | because |
| 07:14.07 | Chikorita | because... |
| 07:14.14 | brlcad | My goodness chikorita.. :) |
| 07:14.15 | Chikorita | y notz? |
| 07:14.19 | squashy | I don't like the idea of shooting tanks - it's like shooting a person but without the tanks... |
| 07:14.23 | brlcad | too much soda again? :) |
| 07:14.26 | Chikorita | my goodness learna :) |
| 07:14.38 | Chikorita | itz jus a game squashy |
| 07:14.40 | Chikorita | itz fun |
| 07:14.54 | squashy | life sentence |
| 07:14.59 | Chikorita | itz not so violent an graphic as otha first person games out there |
| 07:15.21 | Chikorita | u dunt c blood or peeple pieces flying around :P |
| 07:15.26 | squashy | but like if there was a multiplayer game and a person playing as a person... |
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| 07:15.39 | squashy | and someone shoots wouldn't that be actually like in real life |
| 07:15.50 | squashy | and wouldn't the person can arrested and thrown into jail ? |
| 07:15.52 | Chikorita | no |
| 07:16.05 | Chikorita | cuz not every1 drives a tank in reallife |
| 07:16.34 | Chikorita | do u think chess iz violent? |
| 07:16.38 | squashy | so a person can't get arrested and sent to jail just for shooting others peoples tanks in BZflag ?! y/n/maybe ? |
| 07:16.57 | Chikorita | da pieces represent peeple an charatcers , on a battlefield fightin each otha |
| 07:17.13 | squashy | darn... ur'll good |
| 07:17.20 | squashy | nice thinking |
| 07:17.23 | Chikorita | ty i kno |
| 07:17.30 | Chikorita | aww ty learna :) |
| 07:18.00 | Chikorita | many sports , r jus violence concealed... |
| 07:18.14 | squashy | is it all right to play BZflag with dial up ? |
| 07:18.30 | squashy | even though it lags |
| 07:18.31 | squashy | ? |
| 07:18.34 | Chikorita | games like BZ r meant 2 curb our violent instincts into sumtin fun an sumtimes educational |
| 07:18.39 | brlcad | BZflag is pretty tame as far as shooter games go |
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| 07:18.45 | brlcad | it's not violent really |
| 07:18.48 | Chikorita | if u have a good dial up , sumtimes itz ok |
| 07:19.00 | squashy | ok |
| 07:19.18 | Chikorita | i used 2 get @190ms of lag wen my dial up connection was good |
| 07:19.31 | squashy | how much bandwidth does BZflag use |
| 07:19.37 | squashy | like per minute |
| 07:19.37 | Chikorita | it depends on where da server iz too |
| 07:19.55 | Chikorita | like on nearby servers , my dial up could get 100ms of lag |
| 07:20.01 | brlcad | were we to officially label the game's rating, it would most certainly get and "E" for Everyone rating |
| 07:20.16 | Chikorita | heeeh L , yup :) |
| 07:20.46 | squashy | question above... |
| 07:20.48 | Chikorita | i think BZ is less graphic than donkey kong |
| 07:20.53 | Chikorita | an violent |
| 07:21.11 | brlcad | squashy: bandwidth depends how many players are on the server |
| 07:21.35 | squashy | no like on a persons connection |
| 07:21.50 | brlcad | you're probably better sticking to 2-shot servers that have less than 8 players |
| 07:22.08 | squashy | ok ok ok... typically... how much mb per min on average ? |
| 07:22.33 | Chikorita | BZflag also helps wif ur pool-billard game , an vice versa |
| 07:22.42 | Chikorita | right L ? ;) |
| 07:23.03 | squashy | does BZFlag sorta teach a person how to drive a car ?! |
| 07:23.09 | squashy | like sorta... |
| 07:23.10 | Chikorita | lol maybee |
| 07:23.17 | brlcad | again, it really depends on how many players that determines how many bm per min, but on an unloaded 2-shot server, you'll be sending/receiving about 20-40kbps |
| 07:23.33 | Chikorita | xecept da part where u can go thru otha tanks heh |
| 07:23.34 | brlcad | s/bm/mb/ |
| 07:23.45 | squashy | . |
| 07:23.48 | squashy | ok |
| 07:24.00 | brlcad | squashy: I wouldn't take any driving tips from bzflag :) |
| 07:24.37 | Chikorita | BZflag isnt meant 2 b any sorta simulation of real life..itz purely 4 fun |
| 07:24.38 | brlcad | it can, however, teach you strategy and teamwork |
| 07:24.50 | Chikorita | yea |
| 07:24.56 | Chikorita | tactics |
| 07:25.03 | brlcad | Chikorita: except for the part where the tanks aren't supposed to jump :P ;) |
| 07:25.09 | squashy | is BZFlag gets too addicting |
| 07:25.15 | squashy | should I... |
| 07:25.29 | squashy | A. Uninstall B. Keep it installed |
| 07:25.34 | Chikorita | i wish my car could jump over potholes |
| 07:25.56 | squashy | C. Uninstall but keep installer |
| 07:26.08 | Chikorita | if u have room on ur harddrive 2 spare , i'd keep it installed |
| 07:26.16 | squashy | ok |
| 07:26.25 | Chikorita | itz only a 3meg game |
| 07:26.44 | squashy | is BZFlag free ? |
| 07:26.52 | squashy | it doesn't say on the site |
| 07:27.01 | Chikorita | itz kinda amazin , such a feature packed game only takes up 3 megs of memry at most |
| 07:27.04 | brlcad | Yes, it is free |
| 07:27.10 | Chikorita | yes ums itz free |
| 07:27.10 | squashy | yeah 3 mins |
| 07:27.14 | brlcad | It's open source as well |
| 07:27.16 | squashy | mg* |
| 07:27.18 | squashy | mbs* |
| 07:27.46 | Chikorita | okies have fun all i try 2 sleep again ...:P |
| 07:27.50 | Chikorita | gnite nite |
| 07:28.51 | squashy | why does BZflag use the word... 'killed' so and so... when a person isn't acutally killing...? |
| 07:29.22 | TimRiker | squashy: well if you were in that tank you would be. ;-) |
| 07:29.25 | squashy | actually i used wordweb and looked up kill |
| 07:29.32 | squashy | and yeah |
| 07:29.34 | TimRiker | perhaps distroyed would be better? |
| 07:29.43 | squashy | yeah |
| 07:29.44 | TimRiker | er destroyed |
| 07:30.01 | squashy | maybe some people like the word kill better |
| 07:30.03 | squashy | aw well |
| 07:30.04 | TimRiker | open a RFE on SF. |
| 07:30.25 | brlcad | even in the army scientific community you talk about tank "kills" and "probability of kill" |
| 07:30.47 | squashy | what is the strongest flag/weapon to get ? |
| 07:31.02 | brlcad | go for the red or green one :) |
| 07:31.17 | squashy | i've seen Guided missile... shockwave... and super bullet |
| 07:31.20 | brlcad | whichever color you are not ;) |
| 07:31.37 | squashy | isn't that for 'capture the flag' ? |
| 07:31.43 | brlcad | of course :) |
| 07:31.44 | squashy | :| |
| 07:32.13 | CIA | 03timriker * 12web/ (2 files): free, license |
| 07:32.42 | TimRiker | squashy: updated the site to fix the license link and state that it's free. |
| 07:32.51 | squashy | ok thats good |
| 07:33.29 | squashy | free software is good :-) |
| 07:35.23 | squashy | d/l leocad |
| 07:35.31 | squashy | d/ding |
| 07:35.34 | squashy | * |
| 07:36.03 | squashy | why is the game called BZflag... whats with the BZ / |
| 07:36.08 | squashy | ? |
| 07:36.21 | brlcad | Battlezone |
| 07:36.26 | TimRiker | Battle Zone |
| 07:36.27 | squashy | oh |
| 07:36.29 | brlcad | It was the original name of the game |
| 07:36.44 | squashy | ok |
| 07:36.56 | squashy | battle zone sounds better |
| 07:38.28 | brlcad | bz is a relatively old game going back more than 10 years |
| 07:38.45 | squashy | :| |
| 07:40.58 | CIA | 03timriker * 12web/ (index.php): platforms, name |
| 07:41.40 | TimRiker | "bz" was the original name. but there was another bz on irix. |
| 07:41.47 | squashy | :| |
| 07:41.54 | TimRiker | Battlezone is TM atari so to avoid that possible mess..... ;-/ |
| 07:42.10 | squashy | ok |
| 07:42.21 | brlcad | TimRiker: http://brlcad.org/tmp/macicons.png // lookin much better :) |
| 07:42.54 | TimRiker | brlcad: agreed! |
| 07:43.38 | squashy | what does lagging do ? |
| 07:44.30 | squashy | yeah... when DO you sleep...:| :) |
| 07:44.47 | brlcad | what's that? |
| 07:44.59 | squashy | it's called sleep |
| 07:45.27 | brlcad | is it like "eating"? I do a lot of "eating" |
| 07:45.41 | squashy | ok |
| 07:45.56 | triclops | its as enjoyable as eating |
| 07:46.02 | triclops | especially after a 'famine' |
| 07:46.32 | squashy | . |
| 07:46.43 | squashy | how do i drop a flag |
| 07:46.51 | brlcad | spacebar |
| 07:46.59 | squashy | oh |
| 07:47.09 | squashy | it's that simple and i never ever though of it :| |
| 07:47.31 | squashy | i press lots of buttons on the keyboard and not spacebar :| |
| 07:47.33 | triclops | squashy: where in aus are you? |
| 07:47.38 | squashy | vic |
| 07:48.07 | triclops | whats your prox to melb? |
| 07:48.09 | squashy | victoria |
| 07:48.19 | squashy | alphalink... |
| 07:48.23 | squashy | melbourne... |
| 07:48.29 | triclops | proxyimity |
| 07:48.41 | squashy | ? |
| 07:48.43 | squashy | :| |
| 07:48.54 | triclops | where abouts in vic r u? |
| 07:49.16 | squashy | are you ? |
| 07:49.30 | triclops | nup, sydney is my home :) |
| 07:49.51 | squashy | yeah well i'll just say vic |
| 07:49.58 | squashy | suburb is no revelance |
| 07:50.08 | squashy | :) |
| 07:50.20 | triclops | hehe. i think i'll stay in sydney. |
| 07:51.29 | squashy | :| |
| 07:51.39 | squashy | and i'll think stay in melbourne |
| 07:51.54 | triclops | anyways off to adv graphics lecture |
| 07:52.07 | squashy | :| |
| 07:52.11 | squashy | ok |
| 07:52.32 | triclops | nice meeting you squashy |
| 07:52.39 | triclops | cya |
| 07:52.40 | squashy | okie dokie |
| 07:52.45 | squashy | bye |
| 07:54.37 | brlcad | odd lad |
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| 08:45.59 | bomber | moin |
| 08:51.03 | brlcad | howdy |
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| 09:31.52 | brlcad | hohi |
| 09:38.42 | strayer | you are very creative ;) |
| 09:39.05 | brlcad | I am very creative ;) |
| 09:42.13 | brlcad | ~d |
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| 12:47.16 | bomber | ~d |
| 13:07.14 | bomber | ~d |
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| 13:46.23 | KR | hola |
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| 14:33.06 | bomber | ~d |
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| 14:42.20 | Quol | if a tree falls in the forest |
| 14:46.00 | Bagheera | <booom> |
| 14:47.09 | bryjen | good thing it was the forest and not the woods or it would've hit that bear. |
| 14:51.48 | larsl | Since only developers can write to CVS, the others will have to use the tracker. =) |
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| 14:55.00 | larsl | It would be a lot easier if we only used the tracker, and just added known bugs to BUGS when releasing distributions. |
| 14:55.02 | bomber | ~d |
| 14:56.10 | brlcad | larsl: interesting thought.. |
| 14:56.26 | Bagheera | would be nice if the tracker had a version number pull down menu to help all |
| 14:56.48 | brlcad | i can imagine the complaints of people just then not reporting bugs as they are often found and fixed within a day |
| 14:57.30 | Bagheera | some arent |
| 14:57.49 | Bagheera | ie, video artifacts in XP after a change in video settings..... |
| 14:58.09 | Bagheera | unless there is a new build out there |
| 14:59.17 | brlcad | yet the blame will be on the drivers |
| 15:00.29 | Bagheera | frustrating problem when i work in 1600x1200, but can only play legit in 1280x1024.... |
| 15:00.55 | Bagheera | all those sync changes are going to burn up my monitor :) |
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| 15:06.21 | bryjen | 1600x1200 lcds are a bit pricey... http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=502577 |
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| 15:16.53 | Bagheera | not bad, dot pitch is up there though |
| 15:19.28 | bryjen | hmm, i searched for "1600" in "20-29 inch lcd". all the results were .25 - .27 |
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| 16:17.13 | Grond | ah, finally :D |
| 16:17.55 | Grond | anyone wanna help a newbie setting up a team..? |
| 16:18.10 | Grond | iŽve registred it, but ... |
| 16:18.16 | [dmp] | but? |
| 16:18.18 | Chestal | Grond: registered where? |
| 16:18.34 | Grond | wanna ad a logo..,im not a computer beeing:) |
| 16:18.41 | Grond | bzflag.org |
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| 16:19.27 | Chestal | Grond: well, the logo image file must be hosted on some web server. If you do not have webspace of your own, I think I remmeber that someone offered to host the logos, but I forgot who it was |
| 16:19.27 | Grond | couldŽnt really figure out what is ment with url, to a pic.. |
| 16:19.43 | Grond | oh.. |
| 16:19.51 | Grond | ok |
| 16:20.24 | Grond | well..,then iŽll keep on reading on bzflag.org |
| 16:20.29 | Grond | :) |
| 16:21.14 | Grond | by the way, my new team is : The revolutionary marxist rebels...(RMR) |
| 16:21.55 | Chestal | I suppose you prefer to play as red then? :-) |
| 16:21.59 | Grond | :D |
| 16:22.01 | Grond | yes |
| 16:22.18 | Grond | always shoot red, when im green :( |
| 16:22.23 | Grond | oops |
| 16:22.44 | Grond | shoot greens |
| 16:23.10 | Grond | but getting better..:) |
| 16:24.56 | Grond | how do I get rights to join in ducati ctf as a "watcher"? |
| 16:25.04 | Grond | like pink or something? |
| 16:25.52 | [dmp] | you need to prefix you callsign with @ |
| 16:26.04 | Grond | oh :) just that? |
| 16:26.15 | Grond | ok |
| 17:12.43 | Bagheera | really going to confuse him/her when 1.9 comes out and Observer is a team selection |
| 17:16.59 | Noodleman | crazy ladybugs... |
| 17:18.57 | Noodleman | i can't tell if that's blight on those leaves or ladybugs... |
| 17:28.41 | Spiff | LoL Noodleman. :) |
| 17:29.16 | stibnite | that would be great to name a daughter blight |
| 17:29.28 | Spiff | LoL |
| 17:29.29 | stibnite | i can see introducing her to people "Oh blythe? what a lovely name!" |
| 17:29.34 | stibnite | "No. Blight." |
| 17:30.40 | bryjen | can I get some folks to help me test something in bz 1.7 ? |
| 17:31.08 | stibnite | sho |
| 17:31.17 | bryjen | bryjen.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 17:41.03 | bryjen | cool. at least it doesn't kick normal players. |
| 17:41.35 | bryjen | hmm... might be good to test with some with higher lag too |
| 17:41.44 | TyroneFHornigh | Watch out for those abnormal players. ;) |
| 17:41.51 | stibnite | hehe |
| 17:42.09 | bryjen | (look who's speaking up for them :) ) |
| 17:42.17 | stibnite | lol |
| 17:42.19 | Spiff | ;) bryjen |
| 17:44.10 | bryjen | hmm from Tyrone to Abby. Definately not normal. ;) |
| 17:45.06 | AbbyNormal | Normal is as normal does. ;) |
| 17:45.40 | bryjen | http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=M7tNO.p_0TqT&csz=normal%2C+il&country=us |
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| 17:46.15 | Noodleman | my sister made this cake for my mom's b'day |
| 17:46.23 | Noodleman | i call it marzi-blob :-) |
| 17:46.28 | Noodleman | but it's good |
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| 17:47.30 | bryjen | Bloomington/Normal |
| 17:47.33 | AbbyNormal | TMI |
| 17:47.40 | Spiff | Yikes. :\ |
| 17:48.02 | Spiff | LoL |
| 17:48.03 | Spiff | :) |
| 17:48.07 | bryjen | More Information Than I Needed To Know |
| 17:48.18 | stibnite | omg MITITK |
| 17:48.23 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 17:48.33 | stibnite | err |
| 17:48.46 | stibnite | MITINTK |
| 17:48.49 | stibnite | h4x0r! |
| 17:49.29 | bryjen | uh, that's Mitnik or somethinglikethat |
| 17:50.58 | Spiff | What's the temperature down there, Noodleman? |
| 17:51.15 | AbbyNormal | ~weather ksan |
| 17:51.26 | Noodleman | lemme see |
| 17:51.38 | Noodleman | i don't know what the call letters for the airport are |
| 17:51.46 | bryjen | ~weather kevv |
| 17:51.46 | Spiff | ~weather |
| 17:51.53 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 17:51.57 | Noodleman | ah, thx bryjen |
| 17:52.11 | Spiff | Kinda cold for shorts? :) |
| 17:52.25 | Noodleman | i always wear shorts |
| 17:52.29 | Spiff | ~help weather |
| 17:52.41 | bryjen | ~weather foo |
| 17:52.41 | Noodleman | rain or shine, thru rain snow sleet or hail |
| 17:52.54 | Noodleman | thru dark of night, thru cold of snow... |
| 17:53.06 | Spiff | Sounds like a Jeep commercial in the making. ;) |
| 17:53.10 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 17:53.20 | AbbyNormal | It depends on where you work as well. If you're in a machine room, it depends on how well they matched the A/C. |
| 17:53.58 | Noodleman | i'm in the machine room of my house, and the A/C is almost non-existant up here :-) |
| 17:54.47 | Noodleman | i'm sure when there's more that 3 machines in here, we'll fix the A/C |
| 17:55.30 | Noodleman | it's nice and warm in antarctica :-) |
| 17:55.48 | Noodleman | +10 F |
| 17:56.19 | Spiff | Wow.. break out the beach towels. :) |
| 17:57.25 | Noodleman | once, i remember it getting about +5-10 degrees in bend, oregon |
| 17:57.44 | Noodleman | but i don't remember that ever happening again |
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| 18:01.37 | Spiff | http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/10/23/103654.shtml |
| 18:01.42 | Spiff | ;) |
| 18:02.15 | Bagheera | thats right jb, set a good example |
| 18:02.38 | TyroneFHornigh | Hrm? |
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| 18:06.23 | brlcad | howdy peoples |
| 18:06.35 | Tupone | brlcad: hi |
| 18:06.41 | brlcad | not yet tupone :) |
| 18:06.53 | Tupone | don't worry |
| 18:06.57 | Spiff | Hey brlcad... ya needa read this.. :) |
| 18:06.59 | Spiff | http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/10/23/103654.shtml |
| 18:08.33 | Tupone | Chestal: |
| 18:33.15 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: so hellsing seems to be growing on me. i was initially put off by the animation style, but now not so much... |
| 18:33.49 | captain_proton | brlcad: yesyesyesyesyesyes? |
| 18:35.35 | captain_proton | ~whaleslap brlcad |
| 18:35.39 | | ACTION slaps brlcad upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 18:36.03 | captain_proton | so |
| 18:36.07 | captain_proton | who here hasn't seen my neato graphs? |
| 18:36.26 | captain_proton | http://navi.picogui.org/monitor/ |
| 18:37.00 | scanline | =) |
| 18:37.59 | scanline | mmm, bonded tunnels |
| 18:38.19 | captain_proton | yep |
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| 18:40.09 | captain_proton | scanline: you should make coffee |
| 18:40.15 | scanline | hmm |
| 18:40.16 | scanline | good idea |
| 18:40.24 | scanline | maybe I'll be subscribed to lirc-list when it's done |
| 18:40.31 | captain_proton | maybe |
| 18:40.54 | brlcad | captain_proton: I see you are not effectively wasting your bandwidth |
| 18:40.59 | brlcad | want some porn? |
| 18:41.12 | brlcad | *cough* |
| 18:41.14 | captain_proton | oh, but i am, in fact |
| 18:41.19 | captain_proton | http://navi/monitor/traffic/ppp0.html |
| 18:41.23 | brlcad | did I say just say that? :) |
| 18:42.24 | brlcad | what's generating the pic? |
| 18:42.33 | captain_proton | rrdtool+hotsanic |
| 18:42.54 | brlcad | Hrm. never used that. nice graphs, though. |
| 18:43.01 | brlcad | is it open source? |
| 18:43.10 | brlcad | or "free" |
| 18:43.46 | brlcad | I see your cpu is not nearly busy enough either.. |
| 18:44.30 | brlcad | your load isn't even over one.. ;) |
| 18:45.21 | brlcad | scanline: cia commit just choked on me |
| 18:45.54 | brlcad | sendmail: sasl.c:97: ldap_sasl_bind: Assertion `(( ber )->ber_opts.lbo_valid==0x2)' failed. |
| 18:45.57 | brlcad | 0 at /cvsroot/bzflag/CVSROOT/ciabot.pl line 263. |
| 18:46.10 | scanline | brlcad: I didn't write that :P |
| 18:46.15 | captain_proton | yes, open-source |
| 18:46.50 | brlcad | isn't cia your baby? |
| 18:47.07 | scanline | brlcad: I wrote the server-side code and the subversion client, the two CVS clients were contributed |
| 18:47.12 | captain_proton | brlcad: thats a problem with sendmail on SF |
| 18:47.30 | brlcad | scanline: ah |
| 18:47.31 | scanline | I wouldn't be surprised if someting on sf was broken, since oprofile was having trouble too |
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| 19:00.56 | TyroneFHornigh | Perhaps if someone paid them for the services, they would be able to afford to fix it. :) |
| 19:02.20 | TyroneFHornigh | Then again, I don't want to pay for my developer tools either. :) |
| 19:02.30 | brlcad | ;) |
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| 19:07.39 | KR | moobz |
| 19:08.51 | brlcad | zboom |
| 19:09.22 | KR | moboz |
| 19:09.49 | Spiff | Hey KR. :) |
| 19:10.01 | KR | Hi Spiff |
| 19:10.07 | KR | ffips |
| 19:13.32 | KR | bags: what were you hoping for, better performance? |
| 19:15.02 | Bagheera | nah, too much clicking in the mozilla download area.....downloaded the wrong thing.....just said, what the hey |
| 19:15.13 | KR | oh, lol |
| 19:15.24 | Bagheera | we are only 15 minutes into the build...... |
| 19:15.43 | captain_proton | Bagheera: that build will take many hours |
| 19:15.47 | KR | i was thinking maybe it would decrease load time if you built from source or something |
| 19:16.28 | Bagheera | captain_proton: its a spare machine....hours uh.....curiosity is killing me |
| 19:16.43 | captain_proton | Bagheera: also, how much free disk space does it have? :) |
| 19:17.02 | Bagheera | not much, couple gig |
| 19:17.09 | captain_proton | that's probably enough |
| 19:18.11 | Bagheera | would suck if it ran out of space after 1.999 hours....heh, hope it is easy to clean up after |
| 19:19.27 | brlcad | sure.. rm -rf |
| 19:19.41 | brlcad | apt-get mozilla |
| 19:20.04 | KR | d/l'ed an ISO the other night, 680M, at 0:01 and 99%, it hung |
| 19:20.08 | KR | for |
| 19:20.09 | KR | about |
| 19:20.11 | KR | 4 |
| 19:20.13 | KR | minutes |
| 19:20.22 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:20.23 | KR | and I was going ARGHHHHH1 |
| 19:20.38 | KR | but fially, it finished OK |
| 19:20.44 | KR | eek finally |
| 19:21.13 | Bagheera | thats ok, i pulled another bonehead move by using the wrong burn switch on Nero, and burnt all the iso's as files onto cds.... |
| 19:21.26 | Bagheera | i have copies of rh9 if anybody is interested....hahaha |
| 19:25.01 | KR | lol - thats at least 3 CD's too |
| 19:25.34 | MrBoneHead | assuming you werent as big a bonehead as me, and downloaded the src cds and doc cds as well..... |
| 19:25.54 | MrBoneHead | the story gets better |
| 19:26.35 | MrBoneHead | after i corrected the problem, i started installing...... |
| 19:26.56 | MrBoneHead | disk 2 was corrupted(its the largest of the bunch no surprise there) |
| 19:27.18 | MrBoneHead | i had erased the iso files off my windows machine(i am a disk space saving nut) |
| 19:27.59 | MrBoneHead | so i re-downloaded the iso from rh......1 hour........not remembering that i had burned the isos on cds sitting next to the pc |
| 19:28.15 | MrBoneHead | yes, it was a good night |
| 19:28.43 | KR | that sux! :) |
| 19:29.23 | MrBoneHead | severe brain cramp....and then this mozilla thing......man linux is killing me...... |
| 19:30.09 | KR | ~d |
| 19:33.52 | brlcad | fui se fue |
| 19:34.27 | MrBoneHead | brlcad: ? |
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| 19:37.41 | sn0w_d0ggy | 'Ola ya'll |
| 19:40.17 | KR | must be from the south of Spain |
| 19:40.24 | KR | :) |
| 19:40.45 | MrBoneHead | worse illllinoisssssssssssss |
| 19:48.44 | sn0w_d0ggy | heh |
| 19:48.47 | sn0w_d0ggy | very funny |
| 19:48.53 | sn0w_d0ggy | gonna go! |
| 19:48.54 | sn0w_d0ggy | bye |
| 19:50.50 | MrBoneHead | ~bzflist |
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| 21:22.16 | TyroneFHornigh | Tupone: That looks like a cool patch. |
| 21:22.35 | Tupone | The auto-team ?? |
| 21:22.42 | TyroneFHornigh | Yep |
| 21:23.33 | Tupone | It's very basic. I'm sure learner will refine that! |
| 21:23.40 | Patlabor221 | be nice to change teams in game too |
| 21:24.04 | Tupone | I don't like enemy changing to friend just to kill me |
| 21:24.49 | TyroneFHornigh | I don't like it either, but I seem to inspire certain players. ;) |
| 21:24.49 | brlcad | perhaps down the road, people who've selected auto-team will be automatically shuffled upon kills to keep the teams balanced |
| 21:25.15 | captain_proton | brlcad: that sounds like a recipe for TK disaster |
| 21:25.20 | TyroneFHornigh | We'll have the rabbit problem again. |
| 21:25.27 | brlcad | captain_proton: perhaps |
| 21:25.29 | TyroneFHornigh | GMTA |
| 21:25.40 | brlcad | hence "perhaps" |
| 21:25.48 | brlcad | perhaps not :) |
| 21:26.43 | TyroneFHornigh | It certainly would make the auto-player plan a different strategy. |
| 21:27.42 | [dmp] | Good night |
| 21:27.51 | TyroneFHornigh | Running down the field with the opposing flag, and suddenly switching could cause a momentary bit of consternation. |
| 21:28.46 | captain_proton | TyroneFHornigh: thus the "on kill" |
| 21:28.47 | brlcad | yea, that wouldn't work at all :) |
| 21:28.53 | Patlabor221 | well most games don't make you cary flags back to base, they "pop" back in that case, so if you do that, you drop the flag, and it voops |
| 21:29.17 | brlcad | perhaps an interface that asked you if you wanted to switch when the teams became severely unbalanced |
| 21:29.18 | TyroneFHornigh | ~dict voop |
| 21:29.45 | Patlabor221 | ~voop is the sound of a flag going back to base automaticly |
| 21:29.49 | | Patlabor221: okay |
| 21:29.59 | Patlabor221 | ~foont is the sound a mortar makes |
| 21:30.01 | | okay, Patlabor221 |
| 21:30.04 | TyroneFHornigh | I know a couple of teams that are "severely unbalanced" ;) |
| 21:32.49 | Patlabor221 | I don't know how you can auto balance teams, or if you even should |
| 21:33.01 | Patlabor221 | that sounds like a higher level leauge problem |
| 21:35.13 | brlcad | for ctf, it's not too tough since it's generally considered unacceptable to capture when teams aren't even player-wise even if the smaller team is considerably better (at least not without consent) |
| 21:36.04 | TyroneFHornigh | We could codify that interface so the players have to request the flags when the game gets too unbalanced. |
| 21:36.36 | Patlabor221 | or just get more players so you can have larger leauges with more teirs |
| 21:37.06 | TyroneFHornigh | That would even work in a multi-team arena, since the 1 player team wouldn't necessarily have their flag available until a minimum number of players join the team. |
| 21:37.14 | Patlabor221 | there is only so much you should do with tech |
| 21:37.45 | Patlabor221 | make better bots and have the server add players |
| 21:37.58 | Patlabor221 | often a big thing is the desire to play with your friends |
| 21:38.19 | TyroneFHornigh | More often, it seems the big thing is the desire to play. |
| 21:38.38 | Patlabor221 | because the current pool of players is so small yes |
| 21:38.43 | brlcad | that'd work except the bots are too dumb .. that's what xpilots does now that I think of it |
| 21:38.46 | Patlabor221 | think larger |
| 21:38.50 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm not sure how many people have really formed any sort of bonds with a number of people. |
| 21:38.55 | Patlabor221 | what does UT do? |
| 21:39.08 | Patlabor221 | not with less then 200 people playing |
| 21:39.49 | Patlabor221 | if you want to make it truly fiar, take all skill out and make it stat based |
| 21:39.56 | Patlabor221 | paper rock sicors :) |
| 21:40.47 | brlcad | a big enough and wet enough rock will always beat paper and scissors ;) |
| 21:41.06 | Patlabor221 | ok paper rock plasma-cannon |
| 21:41.28 | captain_proton | sounds like a good game to me |
| 21:43.24 | Patlabor221 | is the core problem now with playing, that there are only good people on, or that there are not enough players, or that there are too many assholes? |
| 21:44.52 | captain_proton | too many assholes |
| 21:45.43 | Spiff | Hashmark is pretty loser free. :) |
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| 21:50.13 | Patlabor221 | well team ballanceing won't make them any less assholie |
| 21:50.28 | brlcad | indeed |
| 21:50.44 | Patlabor221 | the vote thing could be used to help that |
| 21:50.51 | Patlabor221 | but could also be a tool for evil |
| 21:51.05 | brlcad | only if the assholes are not in the majority and in agreeance :) |
| 21:51.07 | captain_proton | hooray evil |
| 21:51.28 | Patlabor221 | I think that depends on the servers |
| 21:51.32 | Patlabor221 | and how much they want to cheat |
| 21:51.56 | Patlabor221 | can paused players vote? |
| 21:52.02 | brlcad | fortunately, I think it's usually the case that the majority are passable as decent players, just a handful of peace disturbers |
| 21:52.12 | Patlabor221 | we shall see |
| 21:52.53 | brlcad | I imagine there will be quite a bit of abuse or at least improper use as everyone "tests it out" .. the novelty factor will have to wear off |
| 21:53.12 | Patlabor221 | they will use it on lagy peple |
| 21:53.15 | Patlabor221 | as it will be there only tool |
| 21:53.36 | Patlabor221 | since calling an admin is nearly pointless these days |
| 21:53.51 | brlcad | and for which the guidelines I eventually write up will recommend that as being a very bad reason to request s poll |
| 21:54.02 | brlcad | but, heck, if the majority care about the lag -- so be it |
| 21:54.18 | brlcad | if it becomes a problem, set the majority to be even higher |
| 21:54.32 | brlcad | 75% passing or something |
| 21:55.30 | Patlabor221 | we all know that the players don't read :) |
| 21:56.07 | brlcad | I think most people eventually won't want to bother voting for all but the most blatant abuse -- at least I'm pretty sure I won't be voting for stuff like questionable cheats, players doing very well, and players lagging |
| 21:57.18 | captain_proton | when i used to be good, it would just encourage people to try to gang up on me ;) |
| 21:57.43 | brlcad | nor I, but I've heard it be suggested as a way to handle the better ffa players that may be wielding GM |
| 21:58.07 | TyroneFHornigh | The better ffa players don't hang onto GM for very long. |
| 21:58.39 | brlcad | if i'm on a server where someone requests such a vote, though -- the next poll request will be to remove that player who made the annoying first request |
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| 22:00.05 | Patlabor221 | I see a number of people being voted off just cus who they are |
| 22:00.41 | TyroneFHornigh | I don't have a problem with that either. I don't want to hang around if people don't want me there. |
| 22:00.54 | brlcad | and if I see such acts, and I have admin.. guess who's going to get kicked :) |
| 22:01.20 | Patlabor221 | if you are there,a nd have admin, they don't need to vote for anything do they :) |
| 22:02.09 | Patlabor221 | but can paused players vote? |
| 22:02.17 | brlcad | anonymity is often bliss against the current crop of aholeage |
| 22:02.44 | Spiff | LoL brlcad. So true. |
| 22:02.46 | brlcad | any connected player can vote |
| 22:03.03 | triclops | even observers? |
| 22:03.04 | TyroneFHornigh | I thought you had to register before you can vote. |
| 22:03.05 | Patlabor221 | ahh, then a "vote for me, botfarm" is easy |
| 22:03.17 | brlcad | often players pause to complain -- not necessarily best to exclude them |
| 22:03.22 | Spiff | The only servers I will use as Spiff are the ones I admin or ones where an admin is present... otherwise you take a risk of getting flamed when admins aren't present. |
| 22:03.24 | brlcad | you do have to register |
| 22:03.40 | Patlabor221 | making bots register is easy |
| 22:03.54 | brlcad | bot-farms will be a problem, but that's a problem that could happen now -- it'll be a new problem when it happens |
| 22:04.15 | brlcad | the voting will still stave off most of the current worst issues |
| 22:04.16 | Patlabor221 | well a bot farm now doesn't have kick power, just random shoot power |
| 22:04.23 | Patlabor221 | since the bots suck no bigie |
| 22:04.42 | Patlabor221 | but pause them, and make them just reg and vote, they now have a lot of power |
| 22:04.58 | TyroneFHornigh | I suspect the admin will have something to say about registering a number of similar callsigns from similar IPs. |
| 22:05.01 | brlcad | plus, if a player was found to be doing such nonsense, a traditional ban would be in order |
| 22:05.12 | Patlabor221 | if the admin checks his logs |
| 22:05.25 | Patlabor221 | and that retribution could not happen for days |
| 22:05.30 | Patlabor221 | wen you are now on a new IP |
| 22:05.48 | Patlabor221 | yes, a real ban would work, if an admin whas there |
| 22:06.04 | brlcad | there's little recourse to bot farms other than limiting votes by ip, and even that is not without flaw |
| 22:06.07 | Patlabor221 | your vote tools are basicly seen as tools for when there ISN"T an admin there |
| 22:06.24 | Patlabor221 | you put in the admin names and have the bots auto log out when the admin comes :) |
| 22:06.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah I know there is not much you can do, just point ing out what WILL happen |
| 22:07.14 | TyroneFHornigh | and then there will more patches to refine the system. |
| 22:07.27 | Noodleman | mmmmm, marziblob |
| 22:07.30 | TyroneFHornigh | again, I don't have much of a problem with that. |
| 22:07.37 | Spiff | LoL Noodleman |
| 22:07.47 | Spiff | What kinda cake is it exactly? Marble? |
| 22:07.49 | brlcad | yea, but I wouldn't be prudent to imply that the admin has no responsibility -- can't do it all for them. I'll be completely happy if it just minimizes the problems to bot farm cheats |
| 22:09.11 | brlcad | again, bot cheats will be something new that can be handled after someone has the initiative to make them actually be a significant problem. assclowns and blatant cheaters are a problem _today_ and the system will handle them effectively enough. |
| 22:12.09 | Spiff | What's going to make bot "cheating" more common? You could just run -solo 15 or something now, right? |
| 22:12.40 | brlcad | the server can deny bots, but they will be able to connect with a bunch of otto's |
| 22:12.51 | Spiff | Ahhh. Ic Ic. |
| 22:13.29 | brlcad | or their own clients.. heck, it'll be interesting when the byu course gets to their final project :) |
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| 22:16.24 | stibnite | We'll really be able to get those cheaters when the Trusted Computing Platform goes into effect! |
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| 22:27.38 | TyroneFHornigh | ~duckslap stibnite |
| 22:27.41 | | ACTION hauls stibnite up by the scruff of the neck and spanks them until they waddle. |
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| 22:45.00 | Spiff | Hello there gonk. :) |
| 22:55.57 | Spiff | Erm... stibnite.. you got spanked by a bot. ;) |
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| 23:19.58 | Patlabor221 | cus something failed |
| 23:21.23 | Patlabor221 | that's what failed |
| 23:22.49 | learner | somehow, my auto-regen scripts tried launching multiple bzfs's |
| 23:23.42 | TyroneFHornigh | ~fishslap learner's system |
| 23:23.45 | | ACTION slaps learner's system up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:26.19 | learner | fork was failing because I had about 30 tail's running.., besides the 9 or so bzfs-exec scripts (which is 9 bash instances that tries to invoke 9 bzfs's which invokes 9 sleeps on failure, etc etc) |
| 23:26.54 | learner | besides the 60 or so that are usually running |
| 23:27.26 | TyroneFHornigh | Do you rebuild that kernel? |
| 23:28.12 | learner | no, it's the stock kernel |
| 23:28.29 | learner | the limit is like 100 procs per user or something |
| 23:29.54 | TyroneFHornigh | I have to admit to having those same thoughts. It's also a temptation to sign up for the developer's program since all that is included. |
| 23:31.23 | learner | indeed. i've finally made the dive for the select program at work. |
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