| 00:00.10 | Roadkill | That's just backwards and wouldn't be excusable by dyslexia... |
| 00:00.31 | Spiff | But I'm not dyslexic. :-D |
| 00:00.48 | Roadkill | Just backwards... :) |
| 00:01.00 | Spiff | Precisely. ;-) |
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| 00:14.38 | MrApathyCream | not as gonk-lurker? |
| 00:17.00 | gonk-boulder | howdy MrApathyCream |
| 00:17.16 | MrApathyCream | yo, Mr lurkulator |
| 00:17.25 | gonk-boulder | MrApathyCream: I am up with scanline and captain_proton, wanting to play super smash |
| 00:17.33 | gonk-boulder | MrApathyCream: and yes, now I lurk from boudler :) |
| 00:17.59 | gonk-boulder | though, I talk waaaay to much to be an effective lurker right now |
| 00:19.22 | MrApathyCream | yes... you're down right chatty |
| 00:19.30 | gonk-boulder | MrApathyCream: I don't suppose you could educate me on the finer points of lurking? |
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| 00:20.45 | Spiff | 40 in 40? Sounds like some sorta hamburger commercial. |
| 00:21.37 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, seems to be a world traveler these days |
| 00:27.01 | MrApathyCream | well, it must be something like that cause there's no checkin activity by the jetsetter |
| 00:28.41 | captain_proton | ah |
| 00:29.00 | MrApathyCream | :) |
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| 00:45.17 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (bzflag.dsw): Don't forget to make help |
| 00:46.22 | MrApathyCream | gonkulator, sorry lil slow, no i know nothing about lurking |
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| 00:58.52 | MrApathyCream | HEY LEENUX BOYS |
| 00:58.53 | MrApathyCream | Restrict flag \fIid\fR to \fInum\R shots. |
| 00:58.59 | MrApathyCream | is that \R wrong? |
| 00:59.29 | MrApathyCream | in bzfs.6s |
| 01:00.28 | DukeLeto | It looks like it's changing id to italics and num to italics. |
| 01:00.47 | MrApathyCream | i think it should be \fR no? |
| 01:00.55 | DukeLeto | Ah I see, it's missing the font designator. |
| 01:01.27 | DukeLeto | What section is it in, I'll verify before it's changed. |
| 01:01.45 | Dune | \fR to return back to "regular" font style.. yes \fR |
| 01:02.46 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/man (bzfs.6s): fix formating |
| 01:03.10 | MrApathyCream | yay for win32 tools to fix man files |
| 01:04.30 | DukeLeto | It turns out that italics doesn't show up usually, and the difference is the absence of a ' ' between num and shots. |
| 01:05.21 | DukeLeto | l, did you create a 1.9.5 OSX distribution for the web site? |
| 01:08.47 | Dune | niet |
| 01:09.12 | Dune | I was so happy to have a network connection that I've been playing for the past couple hours |
| 01:09.15 | DukeLeto | I'll get one up to bakadigital in a little bit them. Tnx :) |
| 01:09.54 | DukeLeto | Are you back in fighting trim yet? |
| 01:12.56 | JBDiGriz | We are a faithful bunch of followers around here, but it's nice to know who the literate participants are. ;) |
| 01:13.16 | triclops | hehe |
| 01:18.05 | fiberchunks | someone's been watching dune :) |
| 01:18.16 | fiberchunks | the 'good version' |
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| 01:18.28 | learner | howdy fiber :) |
| 01:18.32 | fiberchunks | allo |
| 01:18.49 | JBDiGriz | Some of us actually read the books ;) |
| 01:18.51 | fiberchunks | I have it on DVD, so I can avoid the silly frickin' commercials :) |
| 01:18.54 | JBDiGriz | high fiber |
| 01:19.07 | fiberchunks | ah, it's on SciFI tonight, I figured you were watching it |
| 01:19.27 | learner | :) |
| 01:19.29 | fiberchunks | heya jb |
| 01:19.33 | JBDiGriz | The Dino DeLaurentis version? |
| 01:19.45 | fiberchunks | the 6 hour version, yes |
| 01:19.55 | fiberchunks | it's so much better than the 'original' movie |
| 01:19.56 | fiberchunks | imho |
| 01:20.25 | gonk-boulder | MrApathyCream: consider yourself pounced |
| 01:20.41 | bryjen | crawling out from under that big rock? ;) |
| 01:20.52 | gonk-boulder | bryjen: yep |
| 01:20.55 | gonk-boulder | well... yes |
| 01:20.57 | gonk-boulder | actually :) |
| 01:21.16 | fiberchunks | any good 1.7g2 servers around? |
| 01:21.23 | fiberchunks | ~bzflist |
| 01:21.50 | fiberchunks | the map on jackalspalace is quite nice, I think purple panzer made it |
| 01:27.21 | JBDiGriz | I'm confused, Dune the movie was directed by David Lynch. Dune the mini-series was directed by John Harrison. Personally I preferred the adaptation in the mini-series, although they had better actors in the movie. |
| 01:28.17 | fiberchunks | any xmission admins on? |
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| 01:32.30 | SGI | hi |
| 01:36.45 | SGI | electricelf |
| 01:37.04 | SGI | there is a problem with the green flag |
| 01:37.10 | SGI | in xmi9ssion |
| 01:37.20 | SGI | xmission |
| 01:37.22 | learner | you're just too funny sgi |
| 01:37.37 | SGI | you think im funny |
| 01:37.48 | SGI | are you think im funny |
| 01:38.13 | SGI | and joe pesci shoot the kid in the foot |
| 01:38.24 | SGI | which movie |
| 01:38.56 | SGI | first question.....why Im funny |
| 01:39.13 | SGI | second question there is another admin for xmission |
| 01:39.43 | SGI | thank you appreciate your help |
| 01:39.59 | SGI | what I can say...kill the tank |
| 01:40.07 | SGI | how are you |
| 01:40.18 | learner | hehe, I'm good |
| 01:40.23 | learner | how are you |
| 01:41.23 | SGI | good a couple days and Im taking off yhe cast from my hand |
| 01:41.32 | learner | rsi? |
| 01:41.35 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/man (bzfs.6s): the win guy is the man.... guy |
| 01:42.15 | learner | he's a man-guy not one of those man-non-guy guys |
| 01:43.10 | SGI | ~seen dtremenak |
| 01:43.12 | | dtremenak <~DTRemenak@host-224-94.dialup.innercite.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 1h 52m 47s ago, saying: 'have fun'. |
| 01:43.24 | SGI | arr |
| 01:44.30 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (CmdLineOptions.cxx): quicksort the options |
| 01:44.33 | MrApathyCream | must be the ghost of christmas past |
| 01:44.45 | SGI | spirit221 where are you |
| 01:45.04 | SGI | deep deep |
| 01:45.28 | SGI | can you ear me now.....spirit221 |
| 01:45.36 | JBDiGriz | Once again reaching out to the literate members of the channel. :) |
| 01:48.31 | JBDiGriz | We received more response from references to Frank Herbert. |
| 01:49.54 | learner | heh |
| 01:50.03 | ElectricElf | SGI: Sure, lemme log on. |
| 01:53.30 | JBDiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 01:53.39 | ElectricElf | SGI: If it happens again (blue going out of bounds especially), can you let me know who was doing it? |
| 01:57.27 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/man (bzfs.6s): mac does learner's 'dirty work' |
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| 01:59.11 | Carnage | hi |
| 02:01.00 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/man (bzfs.6s): doc SETVAR perm |
| 02:06.06 | SGI | sorry EE i was looking the Xmission in all screen |
| 02:07.10 | SGI | anyone know who is the admin of lanable |
| 02:07.59 | ElectricElf | SGI: Not a problem :) |
| 02:08.10 | Spiff | Sadly.. no, SGI. Cheaters come there a lot though. |
| 02:08.22 | SGI | hi Spiff |
| 02:08.27 | Spiff | My brother and I played there a while back and a cheater came on in the whole 30 minutes we were there. |
| 02:08.30 | Spiff | Hiya SGI. :-) |
| 02:08.53 | SGI | can you send me the map ...Canyon |
| 02:08.53 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/man (bzflag.6s): doc new flags |
| 02:08.57 | SGI | please |
| 02:09.07 | SGI | please |
| 02:09.51 | SGI | today i runned again the 1.9 server in the office and the map |
| 02:10.01 | fiberchunks | whee |
| 02:10.05 | fiberchunks | that was fun |
| 02:10.11 | SGI | Alien tp it was screwup |
| 02:10.25 | fiberchunks | alien toilet paper? |
| 02:10.32 | SGI | im running the server in the office |
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| 02:10.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 02:10.39 | SGI | yes |
| 02:10.40 | TimRiker | ~1+1 |
| 02:10.42 | | hmm... 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 |
| 02:11.03 | SGI | why |
| 02:11.18 | fiberchunks | ElectricElf: the callsign was xxxBaluxxx that was cheating both times |
| 02:11.27 | ElectricElf | Thanks. |
| 02:11.29 | fiberchunks | if you have log access anyway .. |
| 02:11.31 | SGI | tim why the map with 1.9 it was all screwed |
| 02:11.55 | TimRiker | huh? |
| 02:12.23 | SGI | today i runned the 1.9 cvs and the map Alien tp |
| 02:12.37 | SGI | and it was bad |
| 02:12.38 | ElectricElf | fiberchunks: I don't, no, but I'll keep an eye out ... most people who've been banned lately have come back under the same nick each time. |
| 02:12.42 | TimRiker | pyramids are not at the same height. |
| 02:12.55 | SGI | yes |
| 02:12.59 | TimRiker | drivethrough / shootthrough is different. |
| 02:13.10 | SGI | yes |
| 02:13.17 | TimRiker | thems the breaks. |
| 02:14.53 | MrApathyCream | sheesh missed him |
| 02:15.43 | Glendower | Improve your aim. |
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| 02:15.53 | Glendower | ~shoot TimRiker |
| 02:15.56 | | ACTION shoots TimRiker in the head. |
| 02:15.59 | bryjen | quick! quick! shoot him now! |
| 02:16.13 | SGI | too late |
| 02:16.16 | Glendower | You're too slow bry. |
| 02:16.17 | bryjen | or wait till you get home. |
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| 02:16.33 | SGI | sleep sleep |
| 02:16.47 | Glendower | Oh MAC, he's back :) |
| 02:16.48 | bryjen | yo-yo tim |
| 02:17.27 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/man (bzflag.6s): doc new observer style |
| 02:17.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
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| 02:18.48 | Glendower | Hail TimRiker, are you staying with us for a while? |
| 02:19.01 | *** part/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 02:20.21 | TimRiker | perhaps... |
| 02:20.50 | Glendower | You seem to be rather on again off again today. |
| 02:24.35 | Spiff | Oops.. sorry SGI... spaced out. |
| 02:24.45 | Spiff | Hehehe. IRC was on the taskbar. |
| 02:24.48 | SGI | its ok no sorry |
| 02:24.50 | Spiff | Sure.. I'll send it to ya. :-) |
| 02:24.58 | SGI | thanks |
| 02:27.02 | SGI | hj |
| 02:29.23 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: you might have a point. I wish someone(tm) would write a script that builds a calendar index file. |
| 02:29.28 | Spiff | Found it, SGI. |
| 02:29.35 | TimRiker | then I'd rerun the script daily. |
| 02:29.40 | SGI | thanks buddy |
| 02:29.58 | Spiff | Yw. :-) |
| 02:30.11 | SGI | i cant from here send to |
| 02:30.29 | SGI | SGI-tank@comcast.net |
| 02:30.37 | Spiff | Okies. :-) |
| 02:30.43 | SGI | good |
| 02:31.22 | MrApathyCream | well, you could just do it manually once a year :) that would be a big help |
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| 02:37.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 02:37.58 | SGI | spirit221 is here |
| 02:38.06 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 02:40.44 | MrApathyCream | any d/l's today jeff? |
| 02:41.15 | Glendower | So sometimes it takes a while for the invocation to work :) |
| 02:41.37 | MrApathyCream | the seyance[sic]? |
| 02:41.41 | Glendower | I have a OSX build of the recent sources, but no way to get it to asgard. |
| 02:41.49 | Patlabor221 | dono, considering 1.9.4 had server issues |
| 02:42.00 | MrApathyCream | server issues? |
| 02:42.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah no posting on asgard this eveing |
| 02:42.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:42.27 | Patlabor221 | most of the servers have updated to 1.9.5 anway |
| 02:42.49 | MrApathyCream | problems solved? |
| 02:43.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's all fixed |
| 02:43.14 | Patlabor221 | the 1.9.5 win bin has it all fixed that's up there |
| 02:45.16 | Glendower | If you can access asgard, then I can get the OSX binary to you. |
| 02:50.57 | Patlabor221 | I can not |
| 02:50.59 | Patlabor221 | I am at home |
| 02:51.49 | Glendower | I've stuck it in a place where we can get it tomorrow. |
| 02:52.30 | learner | I could serve it off of my .Mac storage space |
| 02:53.59 | Patlabor221 | don't think anyones gonna need it tongiht |
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| 02:54.09 | Patlabor221 | when I'm at work I have full asgard access |
| 02:54.17 | Glendower | He's baaack |
| 02:54.22 | Patlabor221 | and hopefully I'll get him to really get SSH working |
| 02:54.54 | Glendower | or we can start moving somethings to learner's .mac storage space :) |
| 02:55.43 | Patlabor221 | best woould be some storeage on secretplace where bzbb is |
| 02:55.58 | learner | the download rate is pretty sweet, leveraging apple's servers and network |
| 02:56.24 | Patlabor221 | yes I'm sure it is, but a common place we all had access to would be best |
| 02:56.33 | Patlabor221 | or even the SF site |
| 02:57.11 | learner | just offrin ;) |
| 02:57.15 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 02:57.19 | MrApathyCream | sf has upgraded cvs servers, yay |
| 02:57.33 | Patlabor221 | do they work? |
| 02:57.40 | MrApathyCream | f4st |
| 02:57.46 | Patlabor221 | but do they work? |
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| 02:57.57 | Patlabor221 | and anon cvs is up and current? |
| 02:58.30 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 02:58.41 | MrApathyCream | ssh works |
| 02:59.51 | Patlabor221 | noone has even looked that the new beta post besided me :) |
| 03:00.47 | SGI | good night |
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| 03:43.06 | Nidhoggr | hi MAC |
| 03:43.29 | Quol | anyone had troubles on my servers lately? |
| 03:44.03 | MrApathyCream | ney nids |
| 03:44.03 | Quol | I just got a communications error playing on my all High Speed server? Communication error - rejected message on the client |
| 03:44.14 | MrApathyCream | trying to log in |
| 03:44.16 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 03:44.18 | Quol | ya |
| 03:44.40 | Quol | server is running CVS 1.7G3 compiled a couple of days ago |
| 03:44.40 | learner | quol.... |
| 03:44.58 | Quol | hey learner - long time no speak :) |
| 03:45.19 | MrApathyCream | quol - what a difference a day makes --- upgrade to latest |
| 03:45.43 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, t minus 5? |
| 03:45.48 | Quol | do you know about that issue MAC? |
| 03:45.59 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 03:46.07 | MrApathyCream | but i wouldn't be surprised |
| 03:46.09 | Quol | you think the latest will solve it |
| 03:46.23 | MrApathyCream | could ;) |
| 03:46.40 | Quol | OK - will do |
| 03:49.27 | Quol | quiet night tonight |
| 03:50.56 | MrApathyCream | some leenox dude should update this |
| 03:50.57 | MrApathyCream | FILES |
| 03:50.58 | MrApathyCream | $(HOME)/.bzflag |
| 03:50.58 | MrApathyCream | Stores options between game sessions. Used when HOST is not defined. |
| 03:50.58 | MrApathyCream | $(HOME)/.bzflag.$(HOST) |
| 03:50.59 | MrApathyCream | Stores options between game sessions. Used when HOST is defined. |
| 03:51.07 | MrApathyCream | in bzflag.6s |
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| 03:51.59 | Patlabor221 | I can't post anything today mac |
| 03:52.05 | Patlabor221 | and I allready posted a build |
| 03:52.09 | Patlabor221 | 1.9.5 |
| 03:52.27 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 03:52.37 | Patlabor221 | guess you didn't see it |
| 03:52.42 | Patlabor221 | like everyone else |
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| 03:52.56 | MrApathyCream | nope, didn't |
| 03:52.59 | MrApathyCream | bzbb post? |
| 03:53.03 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 03:53.28 | MrApathyCream | would be good to also send to bzflag list serv, for those of us who don't frequent |
| 03:53.46 | Patlabor221 | since stats is down, I think that's the higest trafic site for the game |
| 03:54.23 | Patlabor221 | you wana write up a posting procedure? |
| 03:54.48 | Patlabor221 | probably should have a way to put the "shout out" for builds |
| 03:55.42 | captain_proton | could use an email list ;) |
| 03:55.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:55.56 | Patlabor221 | thats what I'm thinkin |
| 03:56.07 | Patlabor221 | shout out in dev list, anouncement in users list |
| 03:56.46 | Patlabor221 | and some place on like the bzbb webserver that multiple people have access to to post the builds |
| 03:57.12 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr: cold we get a dir to place builds in? |
| 03:57.50 | Quol | hmmm - doesn't look like there were any changes between last time I synched the 1.7 source with CVS (cvs diff -u) - that possible? |
| 03:58.07 | Patlabor221 | 1.7 should not change much at all |
| 03:58.22 | Patlabor221 | new dev is done in head not the v1_7 tag |
| 03:59.04 | Quol | OK - just checking, I won't recompile the server until I see diffs then... |
| 03:59.29 | Quol | you guys ever seen that error while connection (communications error - rejected) |
| 03:59.56 | Patlabor221 | you won't see any diffs on that line |
| 04:00.00 | Quol | and I noticed that when I did /lagstats there was an R after my lag time |
| 04:00.02 | Patlabor221 | you wuold have to check out in HEAD |
| 04:00.12 | Patlabor221 | that means you registerd |
| 04:00.41 | Quol | ahhh - didn't know that - thought that had something to do with the rejection - lol |
| 04:00.42 | Patlabor221 | when you did your inital 1.7 checkout you did -r v1_7 |
| 04:00.50 | Patlabor221 | so all updates will go to that tag |
| 04:00.51 | Quol | yes |
| 04:00.53 | Patlabor221 | and that hasn't changed |
| 04:01.02 | Patlabor221 | to get 1.9 you need to do a check out with no -r |
| 04:01.05 | Patlabor221 | that will get you head |
| 04:01.10 | Quol | that was a couple days ago when I last recompiled |
| 04:01.13 | Patlabor221 | ok that sounded bad :) |
| 04:01.18 | TimRiker | or a cvs up -PdA |
| 04:01.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah noone has checked anyting into 1.7 in ages |
| 04:01.30 | Patlabor221 | or that |
| 04:01.30 | Quol | but won't that check out 1.9? |
| 04:01.32 | Quol | by default |
| 04:01.39 | Patlabor221 | 1.9 is the default |
| 04:01.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah I think jbd did a couple things too |
| 04:02.09 | Patlabor221 | nothing new is gonna go in that tag feature wise |
| 04:02.17 | Quol | I wanted the CVS for 1.7 for the fix for the slots and admin access when you use group files |
| 04:02.33 | Patlabor221 | if you got a couple days ago, you should have it |
| 04:02.41 | Patlabor221 | I did that in august |
| 04:02.52 | Quol | yes - it looks good to me |
| 04:03.07 | Quol | haven't had it happen since |
| 04:03.12 | Patlabor221 | it sholdn't |
| 04:03.30 | Patlabor221 | but it's very posible for 1.7 to not have any changes |
| 04:03.31 | Quol | cool - thanks for the info Pat |
| 04:03.36 | Patlabor221 | since it's not main dev :) |
| 04:03.52 | Quol | ya - any clues on when 1.9 will see the light of day? |
| 04:04.07 | Quol | officially I mean |
| 04:04.10 | Patlabor221 | when it's tested and people say it works |
| 04:04.23 | Quol | that will be a big switch |
| 04:04.34 | Patlabor221 | there has not seemed to be much intrest in testing the beta on BZBB |
| 04:04.40 | Quol | any thoughts on how you were going to roll it out as it isn't compatible with 1.7? |
| 04:04.55 | Patlabor221 | when I get the 1.9.5 stuff up tomorow, I'll post on the users list |
| 04:05.17 | TimRiker | Quol: convince the admins to change the servers and all the clients will have to change. ;-) |
| 04:05.49 | Quol | I have a new high speed link at work that I need to test for reliability - I may slap another linux box on it and place a 1.9 server there |
| 04:06.01 | Quol | a new 200MB link straight to the net |
| 04:06.48 | Quol | TimRiker: true I guess :) |
| 04:08.17 | Quol | well - bed time for me - nice chatting - thanks for the info |
| 04:08.19 | Quol | g'night all |
| 04:08.23 | MrApathyCream | i think it's unlikely that we will have any significant testing done by non core devs |
| 04:08.32 | MrApathyCream | (before release, anyway) |
| 04:08.56 | Patlabor221 | so then there are no users? |
| 04:09.08 | Quol | let me know if I can help any - i am real busy at work, but if you need another server on a fast link I can place one there |
| 04:09.23 | MrApathyCream | no, just no users who are all that interested in testing, as is the case with most software, no matter how big the user population |
| 04:09.48 | Patlabor221 | so then ship it |
| 04:10.14 | MrApathyCream | our company has to pull teeth to get outside companies to test. but they buy lots on release |
| 04:10.32 | MrApathyCream | fine by me, |
| 04:10.43 | Patlabor221 | we have a good number of willing testers |
| 04:10.54 | MrApathyCream | who, where, when? |
| 04:11.14 | Patlabor221 | at my work |
| 04:11.20 | MrApathyCream | i routinely plan on xmission 1.9 with roger, and no one ever shows up |
| 04:11.51 | Patlabor221 | I think if there was more of a push to get users in and more insentive to use the new version more people would play it |
| 04:11.57 | Patlabor221 | also if it was easyer to get |
| 04:12.04 | Patlabor221 | auto updates and all that |
| 04:12.31 | Patlabor221 | presetnly people who have 1.9.3 see no servers and think nooones playing, with no way to know if a new version is available |
| 04:12.42 | MrApathyCream | well, the easiest to get would be to post on sf |
| 04:12.54 | MrApathyCream | but then, why not just release |
| 04:12.57 | Patlabor221 | I don't think most people check that |
| 04:13.02 | Patlabor221 | not on a daily basis |
| 04:13.05 | captain_proton | auto updates is a big ball of hair |
| 04:13.08 | Patlabor221 | more use of mail lists like cap says |
| 04:13.09 | MrApathyCream | well, where do they get the build? |
| 04:13.10 | captain_proton | but perhaps something built into the server list |
| 04:13.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah I know it |
| 04:13.19 | Patlabor221 | but I'm just dreaming |
| 04:13.30 | Patlabor221 | or something that even says that there IS an update and where to get it |
| 04:13.35 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 04:13.40 | Patlabor221 | like a message of the day or something on the list server even |
| 04:14.01 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well - just some built-in functionality |
| 04:14.02 | Patlabor221 | just posting it on SF dosn't make the masses magicaly get it |
| 04:14.05 | captain_proton | that compares versions & stuff |
| 04:14.06 | MrApathyCream | i know let's put it in 1.9, so that when they go to a 1.9 list server, they will get the news that 1.9 is available |
| 04:14.35 | Patlabor221 | code it on up, get Tim to change it, wait till everyones done not seeing any servers then ship it then |
| 04:14.57 | MrApathyCream | hey, here's an idea |
| 04:15.10 | MrApathyCream | let's drop support for 1.7 in the 'official' list server |
| 04:15.27 | captain_proton | :) |
| 04:15.32 | MrApathyCream | we should get testers then |
| 04:16.03 | Patlabor221 | or just posibly try to comunicate more with the "comunity" |
| 04:16.10 | Patlabor221 | you know we coudl try that. |
| 04:16.22 | MrApathyCream | what do we want to say? |
| 04:16.23 | Patlabor221 | instead of all these techincal things, try the personable route |
| 04:16.24 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: naw, the "community" doesn't listen |
| 04:16.30 | Patlabor221 | posibly |
| 04:16.40 | captain_proton | what about people like dervish, who refuse to upgrade because they fear change? |
| 04:16.40 | MrApathyCream | again i say, no one is interested in testing |
| 04:16.41 | Patlabor221 | but if they won't then what's the point of the messages :) |
| 04:16.49 | Patlabor221 | good, then he won't play |
| 04:16.56 | Patlabor221 | I see now downside to this |
| 04:17.03 | MrApathyCream | well ship it |
| 04:17.07 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well, there are also the people who just don't upgrade and don't pay attention to the community at all either |
| 04:17.14 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 04:17.26 | captain_proton | like those random users who are on 1.7g2 |
| 04:17.27 | captain_proton | err |
| 04:17.28 | captain_proton | e2 |
| 04:17.32 | Patlabor221 | I see the listserver version updates as a method of comunication to the true comunity |
| 04:17.43 | Patlabor221 | not that thing that's on BZV |
| 04:17.46 | Patlabor221 | BZBB |
| 04:17.49 | Patlabor221 | I don't know what that is anymore |
| 04:18.02 | Patlabor221 | I think it might be cancerous |
| 04:18.31 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:18.53 | Patlabor221 | I say version update notification AND a MOTD |
| 04:19.02 | MrApathyCream | hmm, i don't see any beta tester announcement on bzbb |
| 04:19.37 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1045&start=0 |
| 04:19.45 | Patlabor221 | it's even taged anoucement |
| 04:20.19 | MrApathyCream | why isn't it sticky? |
| 04:20.22 | Patlabor221 | th thread was started for the alpha builds |
| 04:20.29 | Patlabor221 | anoucments are sticky |
| 04:20.34 | Patlabor221 | supper sticky |
| 04:20.37 | Patlabor221 | they go above sticky |
| 04:20.58 | Nidhoggr | w00.. played some 1.9 |
| 04:21.00 | MrApathyCream | i see it following your link, but i still don't see it i |
| 04:21.01 | Nidhoggr | bunny hunt |
| 04:21.06 | MrApathyCream | where? |
| 04:21.18 | Patlabor221 | it's at the top of general |
| 04:21.25 | Patlabor221 | very first post |
| 04:21.59 | MrApathyCream | ah i was looking in Announcements |
| 04:22.22 | Patlabor221 | naw noone looks there for antying |
| 04:22.28 | Patlabor221 | hell they don't even read the FAQ |
| 04:29.06 | MrApathyCream | hmm got invalid session trying to post to bzbb |
| 04:29.19 | MrApathyCream | am logged in |
| 04:29.40 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 04:30.20 | MrApathyCream | repeatable problem |
| 04:30.47 | Nidhoggr | it shows you logged on and posting a message. |
| 04:31.05 | MrApathyCream | invalid session trying to logout :) |
| 04:31.11 | Nidhoggr | ack |
| 04:31.22 | Nidhoggr | close browser and retry? |
| 04:31.26 | MrApathyCream | me looks for his cookies |
| 04:31.40 | Nidhoggr | you using bzbb.bzflag.org or bakaditigal? |
| 04:31.52 | Nidhoggr | for url |
| 04:31.53 | MrApathyCream | bakadigital |
| 04:31.57 | Patlabor221 | use BZflag |
| 04:31.58 | Nidhoggr | use bzflag.org |
| 04:32.04 | MrApathyCream | o k |
| 04:32.04 | Nidhoggr | I need to fix that. |
| 04:32.07 | Nidhoggr | so it forwards. |
| 04:32.28 | Nidhoggr | today was swamped at work, and found out my friend who had the stroke passed away. |
| 04:32.38 | Nidhoggr | wasn't up to much computer stuff. |
| 04:33.24 | Nidhoggr | I could probably do it with mod rewrite |
| 04:34.37 | MrApathyCream | success |
| 04:34.38 | Nidhoggr | I'm still waiting for information on funeral arrangements. :( |
| 04:34.40 | Nidhoggr | yay! |
| 04:34.55 | MrApathyCream | sorry |
| 04:35.24 | Nidhoggr | it's really tough when friends close to your own age start passing more frequently. |
| 04:35.55 | Nidhoggr | lost 2 friends this last week or so. |
| 04:36.00 | Nidhoggr | one was a lot older, though. |
| 04:38.13 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: that sucks :( |
| 04:38.40 | Nidhoggr | he was the type that played santa claus every year. |
| 04:38.44 | Nidhoggr | he was brilliant fun. |
| 04:38.46 | Nidhoggr | he was an actor. |
| 04:38.56 | Nidhoggr | worked at a local western place. |
| 04:39.04 | Nidhoggr | as a seller of snake oil. |
| 04:39.22 | Nidhoggr | he also did a lot of parts as a pirate. |
| 04:39.35 | Nidhoggr | YARR! |
| 04:40.34 | MrApathyCream | wow 2 |
| 04:40.53 | MrApathyCream | sorry to hear that for you |
| 04:41.10 | Nidhoggr | thanks. |
| 04:41.35 | Patlabor221 | you should have a party in his honor every year on talk like a pirate day |
| 04:42.00 | Nidhoggr | that's a very good idea, patlabor221. thanks. |
| 04:42.23 | Patlabor221 | sadly that day has passed |
| 04:42.25 | Patlabor221 | arr |
| 04:42.59 | learner | arr |
| 04:46.17 | MrApathyCream | do you know how many downloads you've had? 0? |
| 04:46.55 | Patlabor221 | I know how many views I had |
| 04:47.25 | Patlabor221 | that's why I'd like to see if Nidhoggr can get us a testing folder, he has way cooler stats then I do :) |
| 04:48.12 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 04:48.20 | Nidhoggr | I could host the downloads. |
| 04:48.25 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker, do you know how many ip's have logged into xmission? |
| 04:48.31 | Patlabor221 | thats what I was hoping |
| 04:48.34 | Nidhoggr | the bots are actually almost cool. |
| 04:48.34 | MrApathyCream | (1.9)? |
| 04:48.37 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 04:48.39 | Patlabor221 | a folder for testin builds |
| 04:48.49 | Patlabor221 | that a couple of us could upload to |
| 04:48.55 | Nidhoggr | let me work on that. probably on dragon.org since anon ftp is already set up. |
| 04:49.55 | Patlabor221 | we can ssh if needed |
| 04:50.32 | Nidhoggr | ftp should work fine. |
| 04:50.39 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 04:50.47 | Nidhoggr | can make it /sbin/nologin for shell, so no worries. |
| 04:51.12 | Patlabor221 | be nice if it had directory browsing too |
| 04:51.51 | Nidhoggr | if it's ftp, it should. |
| 04:51.58 | Nidhoggr | anon ftp, rather than httpd. |
| 04:52.01 | Nidhoggr | err http |
| 04:52.19 | Patlabor221 | ohhh |
| 04:52.30 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking FTP just for upload, then http for the masses to get it |
| 04:52.43 | Nidhoggr | we can do that too. |
| 04:52.59 | Patlabor221 | and some FTP username that devs can use |
| 04:53.13 | Patlabor221 | to post the newones |
| 04:54.08 | Patlabor221 | kinda like I have set up for http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19/ |
| 04:54.37 | Glendower | That sounds fair, although I'm not terribly fond of ftp these days. |
| 04:54.45 | Patlabor221 | just not tied to the whim of the idiot |
| 04:55.15 | Glendower | Nidhoggr: Have you been beta testing 1.9? |
| 04:55.30 | Nidhoggr | just today... client, not server yet. |
| 04:55.38 | Nidhoggr | okay.. it should be set up. |
| 04:56.10 | Nidhoggr | put stuff in builds directory |
| 04:56.16 | Glendower | I thought we had a few beta testers. We definitely had some people express interest when we started this process. |
| 04:56.21 | Nidhoggr | I have to turn on dir browsing. |
| 04:56.25 | Nidhoggr | if I can remember how. |
| 04:57.14 | Glendower | We had asked separately for 1.9, and I wrote down a few names. I have to find where I wrote them down. |
| 05:01.19 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman_ (~Tucker@adsl-66-72-30-113.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 05:03.12 | Patlabor221 | well it updloaded but it dosn't have dir browsing on it seems |
| 05:03.46 | JBDiGriz | m00f |
| 05:05.17 | Patlabor221 | we'd have to provide links to each file |
| 05:06.02 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: you mean 1.9 users? |
| 05:07.01 | TimRiker | I only keep stats for the last 10 server runs and 1.9 server is set to restart after each game so I have little data. |
| 05:08.40 | TimRiker | 12.237.229.200 |
| 05:08.40 | TimRiker | 162.83.140.26 |
| 05:08.40 | TimRiker | 209.163.100.29 |
| 05:08.40 | TimRiker | 63.204.118.194 |
| 05:08.40 | TimRiker | 68.67.115.8 |
| 05:08.41 | TimRiker | 68.99.227.92 |
| 05:08.46 | TimRiker | that's it. |
| 05:09.15 | TimRiker | but it only covers the last 3 hours. |
| 05:10.27 | TimRiker | I have 5865 unique addresses from 1.7 server logs. They span a little less than 2 months. |
| 05:14.50 | learner | there have been almost 670 thousand downloads from sourceforge (cumulative all versions) |
| 05:15.01 | learner | about 15 thousand of those are for g2 |
| 05:16.33 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman__ (~Tucker@adsl-66-72-30-113.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 05:16.46 | learner | an astounding 169 thousand of those were for the win32 1.7d9 release |
| 05:17.53 | *** join/#bzflag MAC (MAC@balt-209-163-100-29.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 05:18.22 | Patlabor221 | that musta been a good one |
| 05:18.35 | Patlabor221 | I stll have my 1.7b1 :) |
| 05:19.41 | learner | well.. I'm not sure about good, but it was rather publicized :) there certainly aren't that many players now nor back then =) |
| 05:20.01 | learner | course the sf stats might have been tracked differently as well |
| 05:20.31 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchu1ks (~mike@66.159.149.66) |
| 05:20.36 | Patlabor221 | what is the oldest one on SF? |
| 05:20.41 | learner | that one |
| 05:20.53 | Patlabor221 | it was the first so that makes sense |
| 05:20.54 | Patlabor221 | it was new |
| 05:20.55 | Nidhoggr | hi fiber |
| 05:21.05 | Patlabor221 | before that I don't think it was opensource |
| 05:21.13 | MrApathyCream | I'm 209.163.xxxxx |
| 05:21.15 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:21.26 | MrApathyCream | 1.9 yes |
| 05:21.30 | MrApathyCream | to see if anyone is testing |
| 05:21.36 | Nidhoggr | I think I'm the 68.99 one |
| 05:21.47 | MrApathyCream | so nids, how did you like the autopilot? |
| 05:21.57 | Nidhoggr | autopilot? |
| 05:22.00 | Nidhoggr | didn't try that one. :) |
| 05:22.09 | MrApathyCream | you were playing the autopilot (me) the whole time |
| 05:22.13 | MrApathyCream | (a bot) |
| 05:22.14 | learner | roger aka otto |
| 05:22.14 | Patlabor221 | Mac dosn't play anymore he just runs the bots |
| 05:22.19 | Nidhoggr | that was you? |
| 05:22.20 | MrApathyCream | yupyup |
| 05:22.21 | Nidhoggr | cool. :) |
| 05:23.01 | MrApathyCream | obviously the ones with numbers appended were the old bots, but Otto was the AutoPilot bot |
| 05:23.04 | learner | Did he whoop you good Nid? :) |
| 05:23.11 | Nidhoggr | yup :) |
| 05:23.12 | MrApathyCream | Otto held his own |
| 05:23.20 | learner | lol |
| 05:23.23 | MrApathyCream | ended with +44 |
| 05:23.32 | MrApathyCream | (of course many were against the bots) |
| 05:23.47 | Patlabor221 | with 6 autopilots and rabit mode, it becomes a game of pewee girls socker |
| 05:23.51 | learner | yes, he does rather well against the sitting turds |
| 05:23.57 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:24.11 | MrApathyCream | watching 6 bots on rabbit radar is pretty cool lookin |
| 05:24.36 | MrApathyCream | i think he was 15-19 against Nids |
| 05:24.51 | MrApathyCream | so i guess + 48 against bots |
| 05:24.52 | learner | heh |
| 05:25.06 | TimRiker | before 1.7d9 the windows version was crippled. could not talk to public servers, not GPL, etc. |
| 05:25.48 | JBDiGriz | I wonder if we can get the stats from places like VersionTracker. That's where I got my first copy. |
| 05:26.01 | Nidhoggr | they might have stats |
| 05:26.03 | learner | I think I did too, as well |
| 05:26.06 | Nidhoggr | or might keep stats. |
| 05:26.11 | MrApathyCream | i think d9 was my first version |
| 05:26.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's right it was lan only |
| 05:26.22 | TimRiker | I got mine from bigfoot.com ;-) |
| 05:26.38 | Patlabor221 | I got mine from CRS |
| 05:26.45 | MrApathyCream | actually i found some really lame 2d tank game first, and then found the sf one |
| 05:26.56 | learner | not counting the old sgi version :P |
| 05:27.03 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: there was a web page of public servers back then. internet worked but you needed the registered version on windows. |
| 05:27.03 | Patlabor221 | when I got it it wouldn't even run :) |
| 05:27.07 | Nidhoggr | I went searching for xtank and stumbled across bz |
| 05:27.29 | captain_proton | that page was on frank's page, no? |
| 05:27.32 | Patlabor221 | it's been so long I don't clearnerly remember :) |
| 05:27.35 | JBDiGriz | My first version was g0r7. I haven't been playing for very long :) |
| 05:27.55 | Patlabor221 | the last version I worked on back then was b1 that's about all I know |
| 05:28.24 | MrApathyCream | what version was completely lost? |
| 05:28.26 | Patlabor221 | made res switching and sound work on windows |
| 05:28.44 | Patlabor221 | while tom worked on some GL lighting stuff |
| 05:28.53 | MrApathyCream | tom? |
| 05:29.02 | Patlabor221 | Tom Hubina |
| 05:29.11 | MrApathyCream | what happened to dear old tom? |
| 05:29.14 | Patlabor221 | he's in the credits with me too |
| 05:29.24 | Patlabor221 | he's maried, and makes games for cell phones now |
| 05:29.25 | TimRiker | lost? I think the oldest I checked into SF was c? I don't recall. We started with 1.7d9 there, but I checked in some older versions first to keep the history. |
| 05:29.56 | captain_proton | TimRiker: crs lost a whole load of changes with a disk failure back before sf |
| 05:30.14 | TimRiker | oh yeah. I vaguely recall that. |
| 05:31.10 | learner | I think the slashdot review might have been the first word I heard of it, post-open-sourcing |
| 05:31.18 | Patlabor221 | ha my B1 version even has the res dialog I put in before it was hooked into the gui list |
| 05:32.54 | captain_proton | i think the lost version may have been 1.6 |
| 05:33.40 | MrApathyCream | I hope 1.10 doesn't get lsot |
| 05:33.42 | MrApathyCream | lost |
| 05:34.02 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: 1.10 is replicated in a few more places than 1.6 was :) |
| 05:34.12 | captain_proton | hmm, speaking of distributed backups |
| 05:35.42 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:36.18 | JBDiGriz | VersionTracker has 1.7g0r7. 4557 downloads for OSX. 8565 downloads for all versions. |
| 05:36.26 | MrApathyCream | it would be nice if the tank mesh changed based on your flag. |
| 05:36.33 | learner | JB, did you read the comments ;) |
| 05:36.38 | Patlabor221 | into what? |
| 05:36.44 | MrApathyCream | superbullet would have a big axx barrel for instance |
| 05:37.00 | captain_proton | axx? |
| 05:37.04 | MrApathyCream | a** |
| 05:37.09 | Patlabor221 | it's ok, you can say ass |
| 05:37.16 | Patlabor221 | none is afraid of donkeys |
| 05:37.17 | MrApathyCream | :0 |
| 05:37.25 | Patlabor221 | and it's after 10 :) |
| 05:37.27 | JBDiGriz | Just going through them. most people seem to like the game. |
| 05:37.39 | MrApathyCream | comments? |
| 05:37.58 | JBDiGriz | on VersionTracker |
| 05:37.58 | learner | yes.. the first single start was the "mouse button to begin" problem lol |
| 05:38.12 | learner | er, s/start/star/ |
| 05:38.35 | captain_proton | silly machines with only one button |
| 05:38.57 | JBDiGriz | Luckily that's been fixed in 1.9. We should make sure it gets there when it's released. |
| 05:39.13 | Patlabor221 | now, now, didn't your mom tell you not to make fun of kids who are "difrent" |
| 05:39.23 | learner | I'm surprised how many people comment about the data dir and blending crash problems, yet still gave it high marks |
| 05:39.24 | captain_proton | not that i can recall |
| 05:39.24 | JBDiGriz | Silly users with 5 mouse buttons and no clue when to push which one :P |
| 05:39.33 | Patlabor221 | ohh ok, then procede |
| 05:39.47 | Patlabor221 | I know what each one of my buttons do |
| 05:40.01 | learner | no no, that turns the tv on |
| 05:40.19 | Patlabor221 | 1, fire, 2 hit them with the butt of the rifle, 3 reoload, 4 pick up the shotgun, 5 zoom in |
| 05:40.22 | JBDiGriz | I'm not going to touch your buttons, pat :S |
| 05:40.35 | Patlabor221 | good :) |
| 05:40.53 | learner | again with the reversed buttons? :) |
| 05:41.16 | Patlabor221 | need one more button for "lob grenade at poor sap and stick it to his forehead" |
| 05:41.35 | Patlabor221 | current that's set to "tab" |
| 05:42.49 | Patlabor221 | learner, you hear that your favored mac game company that sold out to "the man" has finaly goten there latest mac game to beta? |
| 05:43.07 | learner | Oh, now theres a neat idea for a weapon.. grenades that could launched out and then would explodes and cause a mini shockwave after maybe 2-3 seconds |
| 05:43.12 | JBDiGriz | What's even funnier is that windows users now make fun of the mouse because it only has one button. Back in '84 they made fun of the mouse because you had to take your hands off the keyboard. ;) |
| 05:43.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:43.34 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:43.35 | Patlabor221 | see we can change :) |
| 05:43.49 | Patlabor221 | I loved my first mouse |
| 05:43.58 | Patlabor221 | pluged right into the joystick port |
| 05:44.01 | learner | I rarely touch a mouse |
| 05:44.06 | MrApathyCream | *nix users laughed at the mouse cause you couldn't rebuild it every half hour |
| 05:44.08 | Patlabor221 | had one big ass button |
| 05:44.49 | Patlabor221 | was sad tho, had to unplug the atari 2600 joystick to plug in the mouse tho :( |
| 05:44.52 | JBDiGriz | *nix users adopted the mouse right off, and started playing with chording, but I don't suppose you remember the early X Windows systems. :P |
| 05:46.01 | MrApathyCream | my only nix experience was a prototype NeXT box. It was horrible |
| 05:46.41 | MrApathyCream | 1 was a 10yr mac guy before that |
| 05:46.57 | MrApathyCream | i moved to the dark side, and never looked back |
| 05:48.04 | Patlabor221 | I lubed my comadore 64 |
| 05:48.05 | JBDiGriz | My first experience with game programming was making Space Wars work on a PDP 11/34 with an Evans and Sutherland Picture System II running Unix System 6. (might have been an 11/35) It didn't have floating point acceleration, so I changed it all to using ints and modified the coordinate system. |
| 05:48.30 | Patlabor221 | fixed point math rocked :)( |
| 05:48.48 | captain_proton | system...6? |
| 05:48.52 | Patlabor221 | we would do that for 68k builds |
| 05:49.09 | MrApathyCream | Upgrading to FatMac was a good day |
| 05:49.20 | JBDiGriz | If you've ever seen the brain scan film that was one of the early unix projects, that was the machine I was working on. |
| 05:49.49 | Patlabor221 | I used to think that making a "fat" binary was hard |
| 05:49.57 | Patlabor221 | till I saw how it was acutaly done |
| 05:50.11 | MrApathyCream | meaning 68 and PowerPC? i forget the jargon |
| 05:50.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:50.20 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:50.42 | MrApathyCream | What were the fix ups called? i think for callbacks |
| 05:50.45 | Patlabor221 | 1) make a 68k build, 2) make a PPC build using the 68k build as a res file |
| 05:50.46 | JBDiGriz | That was one of the benefits of the mac that I saw from day 1, the software structure of the object files and the file system. It was cool to play with. |
| 05:51.23 | JBDiGriz | The hardware was nothing special. The amiga hardware was far more interesting, but the system was fun. |
| 05:53.02 | JBDiGriz | cap, it was also called v6 Unix, and was one of the first that came out of Bell Labs for general use. |
| 05:53.11 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I really need to find a texture artist |
| 05:53.32 | MrApathyCream | What was the failed mac tech where they extended the 2 fork concept to n?... ah, OpenDoc that's it |
| 05:53.41 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: ah, thats not "system 6" - because the last one to come out of bell labs was "system 5" |
| 05:54.01 | MrApathyCream | Apple was really screwed up for so long |
| 05:54.08 | captain_proton | i think that may have been sys4 |
| 05:54.09 | MrApathyCream | i'm amazed they 'lived' through that |
| 05:54.40 | JBDiGriz | Some Unix history, first out of the labs was v5, then v6, v7 which branched into BSD and System III. System V came out of System III. |
| 05:54.59 | captain_proton | right :P |
| 05:55.05 | captain_proton | all well before my time |
| 05:55.25 | Nidhoggr | http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/newcomputer.jpg |
| 05:55.26 | Nidhoggr | purdy |
| 05:55.30 | JBDiGriz | There were a couple of versions of v6, PWB (programmer's work bench), and v6.9 |
| 05:55.33 | MrApathyCream | well bedtime |
| 05:55.41 | Patlabor221 | allreight somone tell me this looks like crap |
| 05:55.42 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/red.jpg |
| 05:56.53 | JBDiGriz | Your tank has crabs, or your crabs have tank :) |
| 05:56.55 | Nidhoggr | it's kinda cool. |
| 05:57.19 | Patlabor221 | texture is for crap |
| 05:57.29 | Nidhoggr | I like my new computer better. :) |
| 05:58.24 | JBDiGriz | The texture on the barrel and the body look nice. |
| 05:58.55 | Nidhoggr | the discoloration could be bluer on the barrel. |
| 05:59.05 | Nidhoggr | but very nice. |
| 05:59.13 | Patlabor221 | heh, I think that's the worst part |
| 05:59.25 | Patlabor221 | the maping isn't uniform |
| 05:59.30 | JBDiGriz | Nidhoggr: ooooh Blinkenlights :) |
| 05:59.35 | Nidhoggr | yup |
| 05:59.36 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:59.36 | Patlabor221 | and it has seams all over the palce |
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| 06:01.40 | JBDiGriz | What happened to chatelaine? She's not listening in on our conversation any more. |
| 06:01.51 | Patlabor221 | it runs on asgard |
| 06:01.58 | Patlabor221 | the port is still blocked |
| 06:02.45 | JBDiGriz | Is she going to survive the solitude? |
| 06:04.02 | Patlabor221 | I've asked for 6667 to be open |
| 06:04.10 | Patlabor221 | then all should be well |
| 06:04.14 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 06:04.21 | Patlabor221 | I think he tried to set up the ports |
| 06:04.24 | Patlabor221 | but screwed up |
| 06:04.27 | Patlabor221 | then went home |
| 06:04.30 | Nidhoggr | he's not too swift, eh? |
| 06:04.31 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 06:04.38 | Patlabor221 | I can tell when he is trying to set up stuff on the firewall |
| 06:04.49 | Patlabor221 | cus THE ENTIRE COMPANY goes off the interent |
| 06:04.49 | Nidhoggr | he swears alot? |
| 06:04.51 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 06:04.53 | Nidhoggr | eek |
| 06:05.03 | Patlabor221 | he has to reboot the firebox |
| 06:05.12 | Patlabor221 | it's one of those watchguard net appliances |
| 06:05.17 | Patlabor221 | not a real computer |
| 06:05.22 | JBDiGriz | Funny picture on the panda cam, mom is sleeping and baby is off squirming in the corner. |
| 06:06.33 | JBDiGriz | He just woke mom up. :) |
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| 12:32.28 | TTT_ | hi there |
| 12:32.45 | TTT_ | just one question :) |
| 12:33.06 | TTT_ | is possible to compile only bzfs |
| 12:44.15 | TTT_ | thanks :) |
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| 13:54.24 | niksie | Greetings |
| 13:54.42 | Bagheera | guten tag, wie gehts? |
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| 14:34.27 | Bagheera | this is becoming a little addicting......what letter of the alphabet will yoyox choose next? |
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| 14:45.28 | david_v | good afternoon |
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| 15:15.31 | SGI | hi |
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| 15:20.36 | niksie | prodan: wow |
| 15:20.40 | niksie | prodan: thats very cool |
| 15:20.47 | Nidhoggr | morning, patlabor221 |
| 15:21.55 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 15:23.33 | Patlabor221 | would it be posible to get dir browsing turned on for that builds dir? so we don't have to publish links to each file, or make index files? |
| 15:24.47 | Nidhoggr | sure. |
| 15:24.49 | Patlabor221 | and how is it out there in AZ tofay, it's all foggy here |
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| 15:25.14 | Nidhoggr | it's clouding. and it's only supposed to be 95 |
| 15:27.08 | Patlabor221 | I want it to rain |
| 15:27.24 | TimRiker | ~make it rain |
| 15:27.27 | | make: *** No rule to make target `it rain'. Stop. |
| 15:28.03 | bryjen | clear blue skies here the last couple days. a bit chilly tho |
| 15:28.26 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh 'nix humor :) |
| 15:29.24 | Nidhoggr | done |
| 15:29.45 | TimRiker | ~weather kdfw |
| 15:29.50 | Nidhoggr | morning, tim. |
| 15:30.04 | TimRiker | moin |
| 15:30.44 | Nidhoggr | http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/newcomputer.jpg :) |
| 15:30.51 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 15:31.19 | bryjen | Cloudy? |
| 15:31.35 | Nidhoggr | ~weather kphx |
| 15:31.55 | bryjen | so it is. high wispy clouds. snuck in on me. |
| 15:32.01 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:32.35 | Patlabor221 | ahh shoebox case cool |
| 15:32.37 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: nice case. looks like a mono-green monitor though. ;-) |
| 15:33.01 | Nidhoggr | the monitor is just displaying my xterminals |
| 15:33.02 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:33.11 | Nidhoggr | -fg green -bg black :) |
| 15:33.25 | Nidhoggr | it's a 17" NEC LCD |
| 15:34.21 | Nidhoggr | fan has a nice blue light. |
| 15:34.26 | Nidhoggr | makes the whole thing look like ice. |
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| 15:34.33 | Nidhoggr | hence the name "Ice Cube" |
| 15:35.34 | Nidhoggr | I am enjoying 1.9. I hope we can get a bunch more people playing. |
| 15:37.13 | Nidhoggr | once 1.10 happens, and I can get nils to hack the new logging features in, I'll announce that secretplace will be switching over to the new server code, and run 2 servers for a time, then shut the other one down. |
| 15:37.13 | bryjen | I'm running a 1.7 and a 1.9 server. I've not really got the bandwidth for both to be full, but they're both lightly used. |
| 15:37.39 | larsl | What is the "+- 0ms" in the new lagstats? Jitter? |
| 15:38.06 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 15:38.09 | bryjen | larsl: yeah. chestal's doing |
| 15:38.18 | Patlabor221 | guess that means your local |
| 15:38.32 | prodan | tim: you using a zaurus 750? |
| 15:38.59 | Chestal | larsl: yes, it might need some more thought on what to actually display |
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| 15:40.55 | larsl | Chestal: Is that the max difference from the average lag, or some kind of variance? |
| 15:42.28 | Chestal | larsl: it is totally independent from the lag measurement |
| 15:42.43 | Chestal | larsl: MsgPlayerUpdate packets now have a timestamp inserted by client |
| 15:43.03 | Chestal | larsl: server compares timestamp differences from client with time differences onpacket receiption |
| 15:43.19 | Chestal | larsl: the value displayed is a smoothed value over those differences |
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| 15:53.20 | prodan | tim:are you using a zaurus 750, and if yes what irc client do you use ? |
| 15:54.53 | bryjen | there are three of tim. one for each hand and typing from the PC with his nose? ;) |
| 15:56.13 | SGI | feet and hand |
| 15:56.26 | timriker_ | prodan: zic on the Z |
| 15:56.38 | timriker_ | one here |
| 15:56.45 | TimRikerC750 | one here |
| 15:56.52 | TimRiker | and one here |
| 15:57.16 | SGI | copy and paste |
| 15:57.19 | bryjen | 1 + 1 + 1 = ? :) |
| 15:57.31 | Nidhoggr | I should set up trillian to relay so I can be on from my sidekick again. |
| 15:57.35 | SGI | and paste |
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| 15:57.38 | SGI | and paste |
| 15:58.08 | Nidhoggr | hopefully today will go fast. it's work bbq day. |
| 15:58.20 | Nidhoggr | and I have customers coming in this morning. |
| 15:58.45 | Nidhoggr | it's nice when work does bbq every friday. :) |
| 15:58.54 | Nidhoggr | afternoon goes faster. |
| 15:58.58 | timriker_ | ~1+1+1 |
| 15:58.59 | | 3 |
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| 16:01.58 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.04 | TyroneFHornigh | I like the work bbq on friday. :) |
| 16:03.02 | TyroneFHornigh | Apparently asgard is still being held hostage. :( |
| 16:03.30 | SGI | bye bye |
| 16:04.43 | brlcad | sounds like it's time for .mac :) |
| 16:05.48 | brlcad | it'd be fun to set up a link so that it does round robin on a set of image urls |
| 16:09.36 | TyroneFHornigh | The 19 archive has been moved. chatelaine is still in solitary confinement though. |
| 16:10.26 | Nidhoggr | if anyone's every in phoenix, let me know and I'll invite you to our friday bbq. :) |
| 16:10.43 | Nidhoggr | s/every/ever |
| 16:10.55 | Nidhoggr | ~nidhoggr |
| 16:10.56 | | somebody said nidhoggr was a master of Typo Fu |
| 16:12.54 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Added speed bug |
| 16:15.40 | brlcad | lol, that sounds misleading larsl :) |
| 16:16.54 | brlcad | I have a farm I could take you to, but it doesn't do much rendering |
| 16:16.55 | TyroneFHornigh | Reminds me of the Dilbert where they were paying the developers to find and fix bugs. |
| 16:17.14 | TyroneFHornigh | ~dict render |
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| 16:17.59 | TyroneFHornigh | There are a few more definitions which would probably fit some of the work done on the farm. :) |
| 16:18.10 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 16:18.23 | Patlabor221 | tho this type is using like 99.99% of my CPU |
| 16:18.34 | bryjen | ~dict render 13 |
| 16:18.40 | bryjen | ~dict 13 render |
| 16:18.40 | TyroneFHornigh | Get a better computer :) |
| 16:18.52 | bryjen | ~dict 14 render |
| 16:19.10 | brlcad | yea, we like to render some of the animals immobile around the holidays, but that'll do nothing for your cpu woes ;) |
| 16:19.11 | Patlabor221 | P4 2.53 Gig and a half of DDR |
| 16:19.15 | TyroneFHornigh | There's one possibility, bry |
| 16:19.18 | bryjen | Errrww. "yak butter" |
| 16:20.06 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 16:20.12 | TyroneFHornigh | Get a dual 2Gig G5 with 8MB of ram. That should help. :) |
| 16:20.23 | TyroneFHornigh | s/MB/GB |
| 16:20.25 | Patlabor221 | 8 megs |
| 16:20.30 | Patlabor221 | I would if I could |
| 16:20.30 | bryjen | hehe |
| 16:20.35 | TyroneFHornigh | I changed it first :) |
| 16:20.35 | brlcad | Mmmm.. dual G5. That's some goot eat'n |
| 16:20.49 | Patlabor221 | but then i odn't have lightwave for the tosh |
| 16:21.07 | bryjen | ~dict tosh |
| 16:21.15 | TyroneFHornigh | Too many G's G Whiz, Golly G :) |
| 16:21.18 | brlcad | eh? http://www.apple.com/macosx/applications/lightwave/ |
| 16:21.20 | Patlabor221 | I could set up a bunch of old P3s in a readiostiy farm |
| 16:21.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah I don't have that |
| 16:21.37 | Patlabor221 | just for winderz |
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| 16:21.55 | TyroneFHornigh | Silly Winderz |
| 16:22.05 | Patlabor221 | it works |
| 16:22.08 | brlcad | Hrmm.. time to use those slashdot moderator points |
| 16:22.12 | Noodleman | sometimes :-) |
| 16:22.24 | Patlabor221 | I can get a P4 3 gig with a gig of dual channel DDR for 1500$ |
| 16:22.29 | TyroneFHornigh | for a certain set of the definitions of the word works. :) |
| 16:22.32 | Noodleman | mod everything funny |
| 16:22.41 | Patlabor221 | how much is a G5 again? |
| 16:22.49 | Noodleman | a heck of a lot |
| 16:22.54 | Noodleman | at least 2000 bucks |
| 16:22.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:23.02 | Noodleman | without the display |
| 16:23.26 | TyroneFHornigh | and you have to add the cost of not being able to whine to people in the channel. :) |
| 16:23.28 | Patlabor221 | well for doing rendering, it's better to have multiple slower machiens then one big fiast one |
| 16:23.47 | TyroneFHornigh | Look out for the big fist machine :) |
| 16:23.54 | Patlabor221 | ohh don't worry, I could still wine about the OSX bugs in BZ :) |
| 16:24.06 | brlcad | Ha, pretty cool Revolutions around the globe hitting almost every timezone during daylight |
| 16:24.22 | Patlabor221 | whoot it's on segement 3 of 7 :) |
| 16:24.31 | brlcad | I like wine with my OS X too :) |
| 16:24.49 | TyroneFHornigh | Merlot goes well with OS X :) |
| 16:24.55 | brlcad | Indeed |
| 16:24.58 | Patlabor221 | we may be getting a G5 here soon |
| 16:25.03 | Patlabor221 | Wil needs an upgrade |
| 16:25.18 | brlcad | "a G5" .. get them in pairs man! |
| 16:25.23 | TyroneFHornigh | Is that Mr. Wheaton? :P |
| 16:25.30 | Patlabor221 | cus one guy needs to get rid of his PPC7100 |
| 16:25.35 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 16:25.38 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.56 | Patlabor221 | and he would probably hit you for sugusting that |
| 16:26.14 | Noodleman | is there any non-custom commercial software that takes advantage of the G5 yet? |
| 16:26.35 | Patlabor221 | isn't there a photoshoip build for it? |
| 16:26.57 | brlcad | photoshop runs nice and slick on it, yes |
| 16:27.09 | Noodleman | it will run the 32-bit software, i just don't know what can take advantage of the 64-bit stuff yet |
| 16:27.16 | Patlabor221 | but is the build changed to take advantage of the newness? |
| 16:27.25 | Noodleman | i don't know about that |
| 16:27.46 | Patlabor221 | I thought there was a PS build that had some rebuilt filters that took advantage of it |
| 16:28.38 | Noodleman | google says there is a rumor about it |
| 16:29.19 | TyroneFHornigh | I would hope a lot of that is actually in the Panther build, rather than applications looking for hardware to use (reminds me of winderz again) |
| 16:29.50 | Patlabor221 | damn, the render is gonna be too dark, but I don't want to kill it, cus it's taken like 15 min to 1/2 done allready :) |
| 16:30.07 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 16:30.53 | TyroneFHornigh | Use the next 15 min to set up another machine and start the farm. :) |
| 16:31.10 | Patlabor221 | ohh I have 2 machines here |
| 16:31.45 | TyroneFHornigh | So then you'll have 3. Of course if you decide to install winderz again, it will take all day to get the software right. :P |
| 16:31.47 | brlcad | that's it? just 2? |
| 16:31.56 | brlcad | that's not what your pic showed |
| 16:31.57 | Patlabor221 | I mean for the farm |
| 16:32.03 | Patlabor221 | there are 4 under my desk |
| 16:32.19 | TyroneFHornigh | Toasty toes. |
| 16:32.41 | Patlabor221 | they are to the right of my feet |
| 16:33.22 | TyroneFHornigh | The local used computer store is selling 19" racks for $150. I'm very tempted to get one and start converting my servers. |
| 16:33.25 | Patlabor221 | ehh I'll just wait, I just want to make a purdy picture of the tank |
| 16:33.38 | Noodleman | i have a gutted machine with a 200mhz cyrix processor, an old laptop with 32megs and a 333mhz k6-3 |
| 16:33.41 | brlcad | yay, go ICANN :) |
| 16:33.48 | Noodleman | that's all the extra machines i have right now |
| 16:33.56 | brlcad | http://www.icann.org/correspondence/twomey-to-lewis-03oct03.htm |
| 16:34.13 | Noodleman | all my others are probably in montana moving east |
| 16:34.43 | brlcad | 36 hours to cease and decist the wildcard madness |
| 16:37.00 | TyroneFHornigh | 36 hours to pay more lawyers. |
| 16:37.48 | brlcad | It's an ultimatum. That's better than "please" when it comes to large corporations usually. |
| 16:40.40 | Noodleman | verisign aka network solutions has never been trustworthy. what do they expect? |
| 16:41.04 | TyroneFHornigh | large corporations will usually wait until the lawsuit starts, because that's what their lawyers are advising them to do. You can probably figure out why their lawyers give out advice like that. |
| 16:41.31 | Noodleman | law suit = publicity = cash |
| 16:42.01 | TyroneFHornigh | lawyers don't care about the publicity. s/publicity/chargable hours/p |
| 16:42.17 | brlcad | sure. "wait till their actions justify why you are paying me insane amounts of money" or "wait so that you can pay me insane amounts of money or take the risk on your own" |
| 16:43.03 | TyroneFHornigh | smart people around here ;) |
| 16:46.57 | TyroneFHornigh | Now if the businessmen were smart, they would realize they could save insane amounts of money, and stop generating negative goodwill simply by listening to their customers. |
| 16:47.32 | Noodleman | negative goodwill = badwill |
| 16:47.33 | Noodleman | ? |
| 16:47.40 | Noodleman | s |
| 16:48.30 | TyroneFHornigh | Businessmen talk about goodwill as if it's an asset of the company. There's no bottom line for badwill (are we back to talking about pat's friend with the 7100?) |
| 16:49.18 | bryjen | ~dict badwill |
| 16:49.26 | bryjen | ~dict goodwill |
| 16:49.40 | bryjen | ~dict illwill |
| 16:49.47 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot: badwill is Mr. Wheaton who thinks he's an actor. |
| 16:49.49 | | TyroneFHornigh: okay |
| 16:50.24 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot: Thank you! |
| 16:50.24 | | bitte, TyroneFHornigh |
| 16:50.45 | bryjen | ~dict ill will |
| 16:56.43 | brlcad | interesting definition. not my interpretation, but close enough |
| 16:57.30 | brlcad | yes.. webster has a short and better form: ill will is an "unfriendly feeling" |
| 16:58.23 | brlcad | hostile := unfriendly, but unfriendly ! := hostile |
| 16:59.11 | TyroneFHornigh | Note the third definition of goodwill. The intangible asset which actually affects the company's bottom line. Management listens to terms like that, as opposed to more technically accurate terms which the geeks use. :) |
| 17:01.48 | larsl | What's the syntax for drivethrough and shootthrough in the map? "drivethrough 1" or just "drivethrough"? |
| 17:01.48 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:01.51 | Patlabor221 | your point? |
| 17:02.02 | Patlabor221 | just the word |
| 17:02.18 | Patlabor221 | if it's there it turns it on, if not then it's off |
| 17:02.19 | larsl | OK. |
| 17:05.57 | brlcad | Ah.. it's SO nice to be able to get to my servers from work now.. |
| 17:08.24 | TyroneFHornigh | I can see Revolutions when it first opens and then head to work. That sounds like a plan :) |
| 17:12.06 | brlcad | I was looking forward to a midnight showing, but 9am will weed out a lot of kiddies -- I'll manage :) |
| 17:12.37 | TyroneFHornigh | M$ just sent me an important announcement with a critical update. I wonder why they needed to send it from Switzerland? ;) |
| 17:12.44 | Patlabor221 | saw the last one at 10PM the day before |
| 17:14.27 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/render_0001copy.jpg |
| 17:14.33 | Patlabor221 | that's what it finaly made |
| 17:14.35 | TyroneFHornigh | I somehow suspect they will suspend the early bird prices on that one ;) |
| 17:16.23 | Bagheera | cooooollllllll........ |
| 17:16.29 | brlcad | that looks pretty good :) |
| 17:16.36 | TyroneFHornigh | It's not quite as crab-like, although that might be the lack of texture. It definitely looks nice and threatening ;) |
| 17:16.51 | Bagheera | and like it can jump |
| 17:17.16 | Patlabor221 | the botom is totally flat, I don't like that, gonna have to change the model |
| 17:17.30 | Patlabor221 | sadly I can not take credit for making the model tho |
| 17:17.34 | brlcad | add treads :) |
| 17:17.56 | Patlabor221 | the model can never go into bz |
| 17:18.10 | Bagheera | screamers? |
| 17:18.14 | brlcad | up your poly count by an order of magnitude :) |
| 17:18.15 | TyroneFHornigh | I sort of like the hover effect that it implys. |
| 17:18.19 | Patlabor221 | or something |
| 17:18.33 | larsl | Do we have a 1.9.5 release now? |
| 17:18.35 | Patlabor221 | hover makes more sense for the "game" type of motions |
| 17:18.41 | larsl | (test release) |
| 17:18.43 | brlcad | Yea, I like the hover effect.. you could have it throbbing when it just sits still |
| 17:18.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah we posted windows and mac |
| 17:18.55 | larsl | Want an RPM? |
| 17:19.00 | Patlabor221 | the pods in screamers would "bob" up and down |
| 17:19.03 | Patlabor221 | sure. |
| 17:19.06 | TyroneFHornigh | brlcad: It's still early, keep it PG-13 ;) |
| 17:19.12 | Patlabor221 | we now have a place where you can just post them :) |
| 17:19.36 | Patlabor221 | I still need to find a better name |
| 17:20.09 | Patlabor221 | the model can't be Gpled tho so it can't go in BZ |
| 17:20.42 | TyroneFHornigh | First WindRiver kills BSDI, and now they announce support for Linux in embedded systems. Who is going to believe them? |
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| 17:22.46 | larsl | What's the tag? v1_9_5_Beta? |
| 17:23.01 | Patlabor221 | I don't think chestal taged |
| 17:23.42 | larsl | OK... |
| 17:23.43 | Patlabor221 | I don't think anything large has changed, so just use current |
| 17:24.27 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure that will be fine |
| 17:25.05 | TyroneFHornigh | I didn't grab a tag this time since there were many changes going through simultaneously. We still need to go through the release process to make a known distribution. |
| 17:25.34 | larsl | Patlabor221: Did you say there was a place where I could post it? |
| 17:27.47 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:31.32 | Patlabor221 | larsl both me and TyroneFHornigh left the login stuff at home, PM Nidhoggr for it, as it's on his site :) |
| 17:32.30 | TyroneFHornigh | He's talking to customers this morning, but he should be heading to lunch soon, and he'll check in here. |
| 17:33.30 | Patlabor221 | kinda like a http://www.arogantbastard.com ? |
| 17:34.13 | Patlabor221 | :-) |
| 17:34.57 | Nidhoggr | hrm. if I get sidekick ssh proggie, I can do bzadmin from remote. :) |
| 17:35.12 | Patlabor221 | that would be kinda cool |
| 17:35.15 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:35.27 | Patlabor221 | ass based administration |
| 17:35.51 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:35.56 | larsl | The RPM is up. |
| 17:36.02 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 17:36.09 | TyroneFHornigh | What's the URL for the site? |
| 17:36.12 | Patlabor221 | cool, if you want to do a tarball that would ve nice |
| 17:36.23 | Patlabor221 | bzflag.dragon.org/builds/ |
| 17:36.24 | Patlabor221 | that I know |
| 17:36.42 | larsl | Tarball up. |
| 17:36.44 | Nidhoggr | should be fairly quick. |
| 17:36.46 | TyroneFHornigh | Then why isn't it in the topic :P |
| 17:38.05 | *** topic/#bzflag by Patlabor221 -> LIST SERVER MOVED bzflist://12.237.229.200:5156/ || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds || http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs/PfieldsLab.html |
| 17:38.09 | Nidhoggr | w00 |
| 17:38.11 | Patlabor221 | there ya go |
| 17:38.16 | Nidhoggr | cool beans. |
| 17:40.20 | brlcad | any progress on the invisibles? |
| 17:40.54 | TyroneFHornigh | More legal news, it seems the lawyers have found a way to create more billable hours based on the security through diversity report that's been generating some controversy. http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=3550431 |
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| 17:43.49 | brlcad | I, for one, welcome a new overlord |
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| 18:05.22 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Hey, you use xmission as a testbed, right? |
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| 18:16.31 | oidussus | bamf is abusing his admin on ducati again |
| 18:20.45 | Noodleman | how can we know if he really is if you don't say what he is doing? |
| 18:21.07 | oidussus | check the server logs |
| 18:21.29 | TyroneFHornigh | Since this isn't the ducati admin group, it's probably better to just send a private memo to chestal. |
| 18:21.34 | Noodleman | only chestal has the server logs |
| 18:21.39 | Noodleman | tell him |
| 18:21.46 | oidussus | he was severly lagging and i said something about it |
| 18:21.53 | oidussus | the he said something like 'shut up fag boy' |
| 18:21.56 | TyroneFHornigh | Send a memo to chestal |
| 18:22.05 | oidussus | and then i replied in privmsg |
| 18:22.07 | oidussus | and he banned me |
| 18:22.43 | Noodleman | there's nothing he can do about his lag, why tell him? |
| 18:22.53 | oidussus | he was over the lag kick limit |
| 18:23.00 | Noodleman | he most likely already knows about it |
| 18:23.01 | oidussus | he should have been autokicked |
| 18:23.07 | oidussus | but he rejoined |
| 18:23.18 | oidussus | like scum does. |
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| 18:24.48 | oidussus | you know this is the reason hashmark is gone |
| 18:25.17 | TyroneFHornigh | If you don't know how to email/PM/memo chestal, let us know, we can help you with that. |
| 18:25.52 | oidussus | bah forget it. with the way all this is going i'm getting really sick and tired of bzflag. |
| 18:26.07 | oidussus | and if you don't know who i am, reverse the letters in my nick. |
| 18:26.10 | brlcad | really? promise? :) [evil grin] |
| 18:26.21 | oidussus | yeah i hope you're happy about it learner. |
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| 18:31.08 | brlcad_ | jeesh.. my network goons are raising hell |
| 18:31.39 | TyroneFHornigh | You missed the very timely exit of our obnoxious friend. :{) |
| 18:32.21 | brlcad | heh, everything rippled back to life |
| 18:32.24 | brlcad | I see it now |
| 18:32.44 | brlcad | heh, he left me this on his way out: "14:30 <oidussus> have a jolly old time celebrating." |
| 18:33.18 | TyroneFHornigh | http://www.arrogantbastard.com is on me ;) |
| 18:34.38 | TyroneFHornigh | The moral of the story is "Don't mess around with crusty old farts" ;) |
| 18:35.02 | Patlabor221 | it's generaly a good idea to not mess with any crusty things |
| 18:35.44 | TyroneFHornigh | a sound philosophy, although you might miss out on some good apple pie ;) |
| 18:36.04 | brlcad | And rhubarb crunch. MMmmm |
| 18:37.17 | brlcad | pat, do you know how to get the number of available processors on win32 off the top of your head? |
| 18:37.27 | TyroneFHornigh | a comb? |
| 18:37.27 | Patlabor221 | what version of windows? |
| 18:37.33 | brlcad | yes |
| 18:37.36 | Patlabor221 | NT 2 |
| 18:37.43 | Patlabor221 | 2k 4 |
| 18:38.14 | Patlabor221 | XP and 23k server ether 16 or 64 depending on what one you get |
| 18:38.18 | brlcad | lol, not the max. the actual. what system call will tell you that? |
| 18:38.27 | Patlabor221 | ohhh |
| 18:38.42 | Patlabor221 | don't know off the top of my head |
| 18:38.50 | brlcad | ok, np, tahnks |
| 18:42.19 | brlcad | aha.. I already had the answer in another piece of code.. |
| 18:42.47 | Patlabor221 | heh cool |
| 18:43.12 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.16 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.19 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.33 | brlcad | woa, funky copy-paste |
| 18:46.51 | Patlabor221 | what are you doing with all this processor stuff? |
| 18:49.41 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/render_0002copy.jpg |
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| 18:51.59 | brlcad_ | sheesh.. this is rediculous.. |
| 18:52.35 | brlcad | if your going to be forking off a bunch of threads/processes, it's often nice to know how many cpus there actually are available |
| 18:53.46 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 18:55.07 | brlcad | Now, if you could just get it to look like that all the time, even during gameplay ;) |
| 18:55.20 | Patlabor221 | can probably get close |
| 18:55.29 | Patlabor221 | gotta go to lunch |
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| 19:18.05 | Chestal | has anyone figured out invis #1? |
| 19:18.19 | bryjen | ~invisibles |
| 19:18.20 | | methinks invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 19:22.18 | brlcad | http://www.improb.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html |
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| 20:08.40 | TyroneFHornigh | Chestal: FYI, sussudio was here complaining about admins on ducati. If you hear from him, you can blame me. |
| 20:09.48 | Chestal | why you? |
| 20:10.22 | TyroneFHornigh | Because I told him to send you a private message/memo/email about 3 times rather than complaining to the channel. :{) |
| 20:11.28 | TyroneFHornigh | I suspect he was more interested in complaining to people than in actually working on any problems. |
| 20:11.51 | bryjen | was? |
| 20:12.04 | Chestal | hmm, ok |
| 20:12.59 | TyroneFHornigh | The last message from him was that he might give up on bzflag, and he received several encouraging comments from the people around here. So maybe he won't be as interested in complaining here. |
| 20:13.31 | TyroneFHornigh | But you're probably right, bry ;) |
| 20:14.08 | brlcad | Damn those harmone infested teenagers (tm) |
| 20:15.17 | brlcad | Ah, cool. Got a reply e-mail from David Wingate regarding CS 470's usage of BZFlag |
| 20:15.37 | TyroneFHornigh | Is that the BYU course? |
| 20:15.43 | brlcad | yes |
| 20:15.59 | brlcad | He copied MAC too |
| 20:16.16 | TyroneFHornigh | What's his connection to the course? |
| 20:16.41 | TimRiker | sweet. |
| 20:16.43 | brlcad | He's one of the TAs any according to hans, the most likely one that is pushing the whole effort |
| 20:16.53 | brlcad | s/any/and/ |
| 20:17.32 | TyroneFHornigh | Can you forward/post the message to a place where we all can enjoy it? |
| 20:17.43 | brlcad | Doing that now ;) |
| 20:17.51 | TyroneFHornigh | ;) |
| 20:18.54 | brlcad | Heh, and a message from Ton Roosendaal at the same time. Tis a good Friday, indeed. |
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| 20:22.56 | TyroneFHornigh | It is a good Friday, but I might have to wander up to Stone Brewery today. http://www.stonebrew.com/sawyerstriple/index.html |
| 20:31.56 | brlcad | Sweet. Sawyer's Triple sounds like a treat :) |
| 20:33.00 | brlcad | Ok, the e-mail is available at: http://brlcad.org/tmp/cs470byu.txt |
| 20:36.08 | TyroneFHornigh | Cool, it sounds like it will take some work to update their work to the current code base, but the mouse controlled observer would be nice to have. |
| 20:38.13 | brlcad | HA.. ^n and ^p scroll my irssi buffers.. this is too good :) |
| 20:38.29 | brlcad | s/scroll/swap/ |
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| 21:00.53 | fiberchu1ks | irssi, you neanderthal ;) |
| 21:02.46 | brlcad | which? |
| 21:02.53 | fiberchunks | all |
| 21:03.08 | TyroneFHornigh | I think he means name of movie ;) |
| 21:03.13 | fiberchunks | oh :) |
| 21:03.22 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:03.25 | fiberchunks | well, that wouldn't be all then, unless I had gobs of time ;) |
| 21:03.30 | fiberchunks | probably Dune on DVD |
| 21:03.40 | fiberchunks | the scifi one, not the original |
| 21:03.58 | fiberchunks | with a large cheeseburger grinder - yum :) |
| 21:04.06 | TyroneFHornigh | There was another one made even earlier, but I didn't find much info on it. |
| 21:04.07 | fiberchunks | oooo, and some poppers |
| 21:04.41 | TyroneFHornigh | Perhaps you should ride the stationary bike while watching ;) |
| 21:04.50 | fiberchunks | I need to set up a wireless link between my old man's place and mine, sos I can carry the laptop to and fro |
| 21:04.59 | fiberchunks | no, exercise is for the meek ;) |
| 21:05.19 | fiberchunks | I prefer my arteries clogged and hardened thanks :) |
| 21:05.32 | TyroneFHornigh | Tell that to my muscles. They are complaining about getting a little bit of exercise last weekend. ;) |
| 21:05.43 | brlcad | Sweet :) |
| 21:05.54 | fiberchunks | notice, that it's been a week since you exercised -- that is an omen ;) |
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| 21:06.06 | brlcad | Save me a burger |
| 21:06.16 | fiberchunks | heh, will do -- later on ppl |
| 21:06.18 | TyroneFHornigh | If I did it more regularly, they wouldn't be complaining. |
| 21:06.49 | fiberchunks | now I leave |
| 21:06.58 | TyroneFHornigh | They burnt some large slabs of ground cow around here. You should come by for the friday bbq. ;) |
| 21:07.18 | brlcad | Mmmmmm |
| 21:07.36 | fiberchunks | my buddy with the ranch is going to send me a whole cow when the border is fully open - I only have to pay for shipping and handling :) |
| 21:07.40 | brlcad | and lemme guess.. you didn't even poke the beef with a sharp object? |
| 21:07.53 | brlcad | lol, fiber :) |
| 21:08.01 | TyroneFHornigh | not I ;) |
| 21:08.52 | TyroneFHornigh | When your kids reach a certain age, there's no way to avoid a certain level of exercise. ;) |
| 21:09.03 | brlcad | Riding in to work has been one of the best decisions/actions I've made/done in a long time. |
| 21:11.28 | TyroneFHornigh | What's the possibility that asgard will be available for cvs access this weekend? |
| 21:13.34 | brlcad | brlcad needs a soccer ball |
| 21:13.46 | brlcad | bzflag needs a soccer ball |
| 21:15.05 | TyroneFHornigh | How would you enable stealing the ball from an opposing tank? |
| 21:15.24 | bryjen | drive through them. |
| 21:15.51 | brlcad | No, there would be an actual ball on the field that would bounce and roll around |
| 21:15.59 | bryjen | hmm.. |
| 21:16.17 | TyroneFHornigh | Shoot would actually be kick in the game. |
| 21:16.32 | brlcad | yea, perhaps you'd shoot the ball to move it |
| 21:16.32 | bryjen | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?BattleBall |
| 21:18.05 | TyroneFHornigh | That seems like a dead project. |
| 21:18.18 | brlcad | I wonder why... |
| 21:19.01 | TyroneFHornigh | Maybe just the documents are out of date, they don't match the release version docs 2.1, software 2.7 |
| 21:23.01 | brlcad | One thing nice about the 470bot code/headless client that they made is that it pretty much defines a libGame library to a large extent |
| 21:23.59 | bryjen | ~dict vasty |
| 21:24.24 | bryjen | Ok |
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| 21:24.55 | brlcad | Donuts are tery vasty. |
| 21:25.17 | bryjen | sounds too much like Nasty for that use |
| 21:25.27 | Noodleman | doooooonaaaaaats! |
| 21:25.45 | Glendower | I can think of two people who should spend some time with a book tonight, or attend a play this weekend ;) |
| 21:26.08 | bryjen | nats? gnats? |
| 21:28.06 | bryjen | hmm |
| 21:29.07 | bryjen | "Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)" |
| 21:29.09 | bryjen | Vasty Vas"ty, a. From Vast. |
| 21:29.10 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.12 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.51 | Glendower | Not everything has to be a Monty Python reference. :) |
| 21:30.48 | bryjen | Sure, if _I_ throw a y on something its improper english. When _he_ does it, its genius.. |
| 21:33.57 | Glendower | Just remember if Shakespeare were a programmer, he would have gotten an undefined identifier error. :) |
| 21:34.48 | bryjen | its easier to declare dead people brilliant. they aren't still around providing evidence of their human imperfections :) |
| 21:36.37 | bryjen | undefined identifier? |
| 21:36.50 | Glendower | vasty ;) |
| 21:37.17 | bryjen | its defined. just not in ibot's dictionary. |
| 21:37.36 | Glendower | unless he were a fortran programmer, in which case it which just have made it an int. ;) |
| 21:38.55 | bryjen | Did you call me " |
| 21:39.03 | bryjen | "Jenny" |
| 21:39.06 | bryjen | ? |
| 21:39.21 | Glendower | I added a 'y' on the end of something ;) |
| 21:39.48 | bryjen | Ah. just don't call me shirley. ;) |
| 21:40.03 | Glendower | Surely, you jest ;) |
| 21:40.30 | brlcad | It's okay, jen, he didn't mean anything by it :) |
| 21:41.02 | Glendower | And it sounded better than brlcaddy ;) |
| 21:43.13 | bryjen | But do you have the balls? >:) |
| 21:43.40 | Glendower | They're just on top of his little tee. ;{) |
| 21:44.08 | bryjen | and down the slippery slope the conversation goes.... |
| 21:44.21 | brlcad | It was slippery? |
| 21:44.36 | Glendower | No, just friday afternoon. |
| 21:47.19 | Glendower | Careful how you swing that wood. |
| 21:47.29 | bryjen | ~mop brlcad |
| 21:47.32 | | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after brlcad |
| 21:48.27 | Glendower | It's a good thing we have maid service in this channel. |
| 21:49.27 | brlcad | We have all kinds of service in here |
| 21:49.32 | brlcad | ~bury bryjen |
| 21:49.35 | | ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on bryjen |
| 21:49.44 | bryjen | ~crush brlcad |
| 21:49.48 | | ACTION crushes brlcad with a full height scsi disk |
| 21:50.36 | bryjen | next up, 8 inch floppy disk throwing! |
| 21:50.57 | brlcad | wee.. I needed scsi disks :) |
| 21:51.04 | Glendower | I donated all of my 8" floppies to the Jefferson computer museum. |
| 21:51.09 | brlcad | my main data partition filled up last night :( |
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| 21:52.36 | bryjen | that explains it. purple_cow's from jupiter! |
| 21:53.36 | Glendower | I hope we didn't hurt him when we threw a space probe at jupiter. :O |
| 21:55.33 | Glendower | We seem to be losing participants to network connectivity problems today. |
| 21:56.25 | bryjen | ~seen Spiff |
| 21:56.26 | | spiff <~Spiff@12-223-213-142.client.insightbb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 19h 25m 49s ago, saying: 'Okies. :-)'. |
| 21:56.58 | brlcad | Oh, I think he _is_ participating.. :) |
| 21:57.29 | Glendower | but probably not partaking.. :) |
| 21:57.51 | bryjen | ~dict participate |
| 21:58.05 | bryjen | ~dict precipitate |
| 21:58.44 | Glendower | If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. |
| 21:59.13 | bryjen | to "hurl ... violently" ugh. |
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| 22:06.42 | Glendower | As long as brlcaddy is precipitating that 3 wood, I think we're okay. ;) |
| 22:06.49 | Glendower | s/is/isn't/ |
| 22:06.59 | peterson | bbiab :) |
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| 22:07.15 | brlcad | who was that? |
| 22:07.32 | Glendower | don't know, but luckily he'll be back in a bit. ;) |
| 22:09.43 | Glendower | Isn't this the place for an argument? :) |
| 22:45.27 | Glendower | I think you can come out now. I don't think he's coming back. ;) |
| 23:20.41 | Patlabor221 | how that was funny |
| 23:21.32 | TyroneFHornigh | Care to share? |
| 23:22.06 | Patlabor221 | so I get a PM from a guy saying "can I come back to #bzflag, I was baned ages ago and have been good for months" |
| 23:22.12 | Patlabor221 | and I don't recognise the name |
| 23:22.24 | Patlabor221 | so I ask him what name he was baned uner |
| 23:22.34 | Patlabor221 | and the repply is "perect cell" |
| 23:22.46 | Patlabor221 | then the hilaity ensued |
| 23:23.10 | [dmp] | ~seen kr |
| 23:23.11 | | kr <~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 31m 30s ago, saying: 'hi all'. |
| 23:23.13 | Patlabor221 | I splin that there is no way in hell or high water that he's getting back under that name |
| 23:23.27 | Patlabor221 | and that he burned all his bridges long ago |
| 23:23.29 | *** join/#bzflag Agent86_ (chris@1Cust162.tnt5.dfw9.da.uu.net) |
| 23:23.43 | Patlabor221 | and he says that "he has to come to realise that" |
| 23:23.57 | Patlabor221 | and I'm thinking " wow he seems to have grown a brain" |
| 23:24.02 | timriker_ | ~seen PerfectCell |
| 23:24.02 | | perfectcell <~back@cache4-1.ruh.isu.net.sa> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 181d 5h 1m 34s ago, saying: 'lo'. |
| 23:24.20 | Patlabor221 | then he pastes in astream of badly formated profanitys |
| 23:24.29 | Patlabor221 | and thinks I should find that funny. |
| 23:24.41 | timriker_ | so much for growing a brain |
| 23:24.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:24.59 | Patlabor221 | that's the part I find funny |
| 23:25.42 | TyroneFHornigh | What's the chance of cvs access to asgard this weekend? |
| 23:25.52 | Patlabor221 | I'm working on getting that now |
| 23:25.56 | TimRiker | sf name? |
| 23:26.26 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:26.33 | Patlabor221 | asgard is my webserver here |
| 23:26.52 | Patlabor221 | the one that hosted bzbb up untill recently |
| 23:27.10 | Patlabor221 | if I can't get him to fix it, I can zip up the current code for you TyroneFHornigh |
| 23:27.11 | TimRiker | ah |
| 23:27.27 | Patlabor221 | and it as it's own CVS |
| 23:27.38 | TyroneFHornigh | Sounds good. Thanks ;) |
| 23:27.43 | Patlabor221 | both ssh and pserver, done like SF |
| 23:28.00 | TimRiker | you mean it's down all the time too? |
| 23:28.08 | Patlabor221 | well cept that part |
| 23:28.22 | Patlabor221 | tho of late it's been down due to me fighting with my IS guy |
| 23:28.31 | TyroneFHornigh | ~slap TimRiker |
| 23:28.33 | | ACTION slaps TimRiker, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 23:28.39 | Patlabor221 | he made me put it behind his firewall and now only port 80 works from the rest of the net |
| 23:28.43 | TimRiker | ~whaleslap TyroneFHornigh |
| 23:28.46 | | ibot slaps TyroneFHornigh upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 23:28.57 | Patlabor221 | if I have to I'll take it home and host it from there |
| 23:29.00 | TyroneFHornigh | ~lart TimRiker |
| 23:29.12 | TimRiker | ~shoot TyroneFHornigh |
| 23:29.14 | | ACTION shoots TyroneFHornigh in the head. |
| 23:29.35 | TimRiker | ~botsnack |
| 23:29.35 | | aw, gee, TimRiker |
| 23:29.42 | Patlabor221 | any ideas for a name TyroneFHornigh ? |
| 23:29.52 | TimRiker | "Fred" |
| 23:30.00 | TyroneFHornigh | Bernice |
| 23:30.06 | Patlabor221 | not much of a game name |
| 23:30.06 | TimRiker | "Bertha" |
| 23:30.09 | Patlabor221 | but I'll put it on the list :) |
| 23:30.21 | TyroneFHornigh | What is the name for? |
| 23:30.22 | TimRiker | must be Friday |
| 23:30.25 | TimRiker | ~friday |
| 23:30.26 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 23:30.40 | Patlabor221 | that what the libs will be used in |
| 23:30.44 | brlcad | Heh, a game called "Must be Friday" :) |
| 23:30.47 | Patlabor221 | that what will use that model |
| 23:30.47 | TyroneFHornigh | Well, it doesn't seem like too many people are really working, ibot. |
| 23:30.51 | Patlabor221 | since BZ can't use it |
| 23:31.18 | brlcad | that was a fun play match, daBomb, RedBaron, [dmp] |
| 23:32.22 | Patlabor221 | actualy if he doesn't have ssh up by the time he leaves I'll just put me back on the raw external for the weekend |
| 23:32.36 | brlcad | Tim, did you see the e-mail from the BYU TA? |
| 23:32.37 | TyroneFHornigh | I used to have lots of fun playing games with Bernice. ;) |
| 23:32.53 | brlcad | Pat, what'd he think about you doing that last night (did he find out?) |
| 23:32.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah but I'm not calling this thing "slap and tickle" |
| 23:33.06 | Patlabor221 | he never found out |
| 23:33.11 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:33.14 | Patlabor221 | I had it put back before he even got in to work |
| 23:33.39 | brlcad | out early and in late, there's a guy that love's his job :) |
| 23:33.54 | TyroneFHornigh | How about calling it SaT? |
| 23:33.58 | Patlabor221 | it's easyer to work on non work things here |
| 23:34.11 | Patlabor221 | and it's not like it's that far from home |
| 23:34.21 | Patlabor221 | and free drinks :) |
| 23:35.15 | brlcad | You could render the shots as big shiny spheres |
| 23:35.21 | brlcad | then call the game "Big Balls" |
| 23:35.36 | Patlabor221 | env map them too :) |
| 23:35.42 | Patlabor221 | naw the shots will be shots |
| 23:35.44 | brlcad | Anyone up for a game of Big Balls? :) |
| 23:35.48 | Patlabor221 | shells, missiles, ect. |
| 23:36.11 | TyroneFHornigh | brlcad: I don't think so .... |
| 23:36.23 | Patlabor221 | I mean can you see this, shooting a ball ? http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/render_0002copy.jpg |
| 23:36.43 | brlcad | Name not ballsy enough for ya? |
| 23:37.21 | TyroneFHornigh | I mean you should probably keep your "Big Balls" to yourself, or find someone else. :) |
| 23:38.25 | brlcad | Ah, too hairy of an idea. Okay, how about Actung! |
| 23:38.55 | brlcad | Seriously this time :) |
| 23:38.56 | TyroneFHornigh | That is a mean looking machine. ;) |
| 23:38.57 | Patlabor221 | ich ben ein tanker |
| 23:39.13 | Patlabor221 | I'm trying to get a lighter render of it |
| 23:39.29 | brlcad | The name goes with the warning panel on the back of the vehicle -- it could be a trademark |
| 23:42.26 | brlcad | Hrm. Here's another "Gritones" |
| 23:45.22 | brlcad | or maybe GRIT -- Ground Roving Intelligent Tanks |
| 23:45.49 | TyroneFHornigh | He really doesn't want them to jump ;) |
| 23:46.11 | brlcad | No, no.. they are "intelligent" they hover and jump :) |
| 23:47.33 | Patlabor221 | and slide sidways some times |
| 23:47.56 | brlcad | will thay pitch, dip, and tilt? |
| 23:48.08 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:48.13 | brlcad | sweet |
| 23:48.16 | Patlabor221 | the ground of the map is not a flat thing |
| 23:48.39 | Patlabor221 | it's a set of connected non planar cells in a portal system |
| 23:49.21 | Patlabor221 | then each cell can have n objects |
| 23:49.36 | brlcad | But if I just go left-right-left-right, it's a very realistic/cool effect for the vehicle to dip (I loved how they did that in subspace) :) |
| 23:50.04 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah they rotate along the movment axis when they turn |
| 23:50.11 | Patlabor221 | the amount of turn is based on the speed |
| 23:50.25 | brlcad | shweet |
| 23:50.28 | Patlabor221 | and the deviation between your movment vector and your facing |
| 23:50.31 | brlcad | Ok |
| 23:50.34 | brlcad | I'm ready to play |
| 23:50.39 | Patlabor221 | so you can "hockey" stop |
| 23:51.07 | Patlabor221 | that's allready demonstraited in the screamers tech demo |
| 23:51.44 | Patlabor221 | I'm also thinking some weapons may "kick" the tank and make it rotate |
| 23:51.54 | brlcad | that "C" shaped gap in the front of the vehicle would make a great place for a soccer ball to go :) |
| 23:52.20 | TyroneFHornigh | How about "Gulo Gulo", the latin name for wolverine? |
| 23:52.23 | brlcad | If you had an OS X screamers demo, I would know that :) |
| 23:52.24 | Patlabor221 | well not all models have to look like that |
| 23:52.44 | Patlabor221 | it used OS independent stuff, if you have scons on the mac it may build |
| 23:53.15 | Patlabor221 | built and ran on linux |
| 23:53.37 | brlcad | Interesting, in spanish that means something akin to "Glutton Glutton" =) |
| 23:54.31 | brlcad | What's with the distorted triangle near the middle? |
| 23:54.49 | TyroneFHornigh | I was just free associating after looking at the model and wandering through google. They're probably related, since the wolverine is not known for being either timid or a finicky eater. :) |
| 23:55.42 | Patlabor221 | that sounds like a japanese game name |
| 23:55.57 | TyroneFHornigh | Nothing wrong with that either :) |
| 23:56.09 | RikerTim | what about this: |
| 23:56.10 | Patlabor221 | Metal Syrien came to mind |
| 23:56.17 | RikerTim | ~x en jp Time |
| 23:56.28 | TyroneFHornigh | ~dict syrien |
| 23:56.30 | RikerTim | hmm |
| 23:56.36 | Patlabor221 | it's spelled wrong |
| 23:56.39 | RikerTim | ~x jp en 回 |
| 23:56.45 | Patlabor221 | I like the ae thing |
| 23:57.00 | RikerTim | it's a box with another box inside. |
| 23:57.12 | TyroneFHornigh | It certainly is :) |
| 23:57.12 | RikerTim | ~dict syrian |
| 23:57.13 | Patlabor221 | there will be a "BZ Clasic" game type too |
| 23:57.40 | RikerTim | ~spell Syrien |
| 23:57.44 | | possible spellings for Syrien: Syrian Siren Sarine Syringe Saurian Sarena Sarene Sarina Serena Serene Sering Siring Soring Shrine |
| 23:57.44 | Patlabor221 | no the things that would sing and draw salors to the bloddy deaths |
| 23:57.52 | TyroneFHornigh | Sirens |
| 23:57.59 | Patlabor221 | there ya go |
| 23:58.01 | brlcad | sweet.. Unicode is now working.. |
| 23:58.08 | RikerTim | ~dict Sirens |
| 23:58.12 | brlcad | TyroneFHornigh: try a smilie |
| 23:58.32 | TyroneFHornigh | out of the Odyssey ☺ |
| 23:58.45 | RikerTim | nice. got a frown face? |
| 23:59.50 | RikerTim | ☹ says it is, but I don't have a font with that glyph |
| 23:59.56 | TyroneFHornigh | 〠☃ |
| 23:59.59 | brlcad | hehe, works |
