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| 01:46.26 | tea|tree | good nite all |
| 01:46.32 | tea|tree | 3:50 am here |
| 01:46.36 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 01:49.32 | *** part/#bzflag tea|tree (~tea|tree@pD9E95D03.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:58.37 | OriginalNick | pat? |
| 01:59.07 | JBDiGriz | Minor problems to fix |
| 01:59.35 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~frobozzpf@66.159.145.78.adsl.snet.net) |
| 01:59.39 | learner | yes |
| 01:59.57 | learner | I'm not sure what I changed that messed up.. oh wait.. yes I do |
| 02:07.13 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:07.41 | SGI | hi |
| 02:07.48 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (Makefile.am): hrm, how did that end up getting left in there.. *shrug* |
| 02:09.49 | learner | wee.. trimmed almost 20% of the word filter's memory usage |
| 02:10.09 | learner | howdy sgi, fiber, and company |
| 02:10.11 | captain_proton | woooo |
| 02:10.15 | captain_proton | this is gonna be so cool |
| 02:11.02 | captain_proton | should be able to rip a full sg1 episode in super-high-quality in about 30-40 minutes, if everything works right |
| 02:13.56 | SGI | Sir learner |
| 02:19.19 | fiberchunks | allo learner |
| 02:26.48 | learner | man .. i was coding so much better yestday with my vodka tea .. can't concentrate |
| 02:29.10 | learner | I so feel like an http://www.arrogantbastard.com right about now |
| 02:29.46 | JBDiGriz | high fiber |
| 02:30.13 | JBDiGriz | low SGI |
| 02:34.46 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: all the /lagstats except one were fairly low. when i did CLIENTQUERY, there was an initial burst of replies, a pause, and then you and one other player. |
| 02:37.41 | bryjen | there were also one or two 1.7e4 clients. iirc, that's before message rate throttling was introduced. it make a noticable difference on my server. |
| 02:38.51 | SGI | low SGI what mean |
| 02:39.20 | bryjen | high and low. hello and 'lo |
| 02:39.35 | bryjen | he's playing with words |
| 02:40.11 | SGI | my SGIenglish |
| 02:40.53 | SGI | ~dict low |
| 02:41.10 | bryjen | ~dict lo |
| 02:41.25 | bryjen | uh, not what i was looking for |
| 02:41.31 | bryjen | ~dict hello |
| 02:42.21 | SGI | ~dict bryjen |
| 02:42.47 | bryjen | there are no words for me :) |
| 02:42.47 | SGI | ~dict SGI |
| 02:42.57 | SGI | me too |
| 02:43.19 | SGI | mine can be Such a Good Idiot |
| 02:43.36 | SGI | or SUCK |
| 02:46.02 | learner | silicon graphics implants |
| 02:46.12 | bryjen | implants? |
| 02:46.15 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:46.30 | SGI | :o) |
| 02:49.19 | JBDiGriz | sorry SGI, I like playing with words. Just greeting you and fiber. |
| 02:49.19 | learner | hehe, somethings messed up with that given which coast each of us is on :) |
| 02:50.32 | JBDiGriz | Given that your schedule is far more left coast than right coast ;^) |
| 02:50.33 | SGI | I had THAi |
| 02:50.57 | captain_proton | left coast? :) |
| 02:51.02 | learner | Mm.. Thai would be great.. |
| 02:51.05 | SGI | no sorry ..... |
| 02:51.17 | SGI | spicy |
| 02:51.22 | learner | yes.. |
| 02:51.28 | SGI | uhmmm yummi |
| 02:51.32 | JBDiGriz | problems, mountain man? |
| 02:52.46 | JBDiGriz | I suspect there's a lot of unusual clients out there at this point, bry. |
| 02:53.35 | bryjen | hmm. only one abnormal (that XL stuff). the others are just old. |
| 02:53.37 | JBDiGriz | I usually only join games where I know a couple of the players, like you. |
| 02:54.02 | bryjen | unless you're saying old == unusual. |
| 02:54.04 | bryjen | ;) |
| 02:54.29 | SGI | unusal suspects |
| 02:54.35 | bryjen | ~dict eccentric |
| 02:54.36 | JBDiGriz | I'm saying unusual == modified, although in several cases old does lead to unusual. ;^) |
| 02:54.42 | learner | great movie |
| 02:55.06 | SGI | the name |
| 02:55.13 | SGI | os the bad guy |
| 02:55.40 | learner | usual suspects.. |
| 02:55.56 | SGI | Im freaking out |
| 02:56.17 | SGI | sousa |
| 02:56.45 | bryjen | if you get it condenses to < 10 lines of code, you will be shot. |
| 02:56.55 | bryjen | s/condenses/condensed |
| 02:57.01 | learner | Kaiser Sozé |
| 02:57.17 | SGI | ohhh thanks |
| 02:57.59 | SGI | you love movie |
| 02:58.09 | learner | heck, I could get it down to 1 "line" if that's the criteria ;) |
| 02:58.26 | learner | it's just going to be a long line :) |
| 02:58.34 | JBDiGriz | Write it in APL |
| 02:59.56 | bryjen | ~seen MrApathyCream |
| 03:00.00 | | mrapathycream <MAC@balt-209-163-100-212.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 45m 36s ago, saying: '*sigh*'. |
| 03:01.03 | JBDiGriz | ~seen Bagheera |
| 03:01.03 | | bagheera <~Bagheera@pool-162-84-20-170.sal.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 6h 18m 1s ago, saying: 'give it time'. |
| 03:01.13 | JBDiGriz | hrm |
| 03:01.53 | learner | yep, still without power |
| 03:02.04 | learner | like he says.. give it time :) |
| 03:06.05 | JBDiGriz | I see learner has powered his way back into the lead for number of nicknames. ;^) |
| 03:11.30 | learner | weee |
| 03:11.33 | learner | chinese is here |
| 03:15.18 | SGI | good night |
| 03:15.37 | SGI | have a wonderful ..........talk |
| 03:15.59 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:18.47 | learner | yyuumm |
| 03:21.48 | KTL | i never heard of Kaiser Soz(?) until some days ago when i saw the usual suspects, and since then it keeps spooking into my head, and bang, i find him back here |
| 03:23.41 | triclops | hey does anyone know how to use the roaming 'feature' ? |
| 03:23.53 | KTL | that's observer mode? |
| 03:24.15 | triclops | not sure. |
| 03:24.35 | triclops | everything is there except some way of turning it on it seems. |
| 03:25.14 | KTL | turning it on was logging in with an @ |
| 03:25.58 | learner | "You think you can catch Keyser Soze?" |
| 03:26.20 | KTL | if he was a bzTank yes:-) |
| 03:26.27 | KTL | but he isn't |
| 03:27.03 | learner | "Keaton once said, `I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of him.' Well I believe in God, and the only thing that scares me is Keyser Soze." :) |
| 03:28.06 | learner | "How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?" |
| 03:28.23 | KTL | The greatest trick of the devil... |
| 03:28.33 | triclops | KTL: @ doesn't seem to work... |
| 03:28.37 | KTL | euhm |
| 03:28.46 | KTL | it must be the first letter of your nick |
| 03:28.57 | triclops | ok |
| 03:29.06 | KTL | en then i guess you need the nick itself:-) |
| 03:29.20 | learner | ".. ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." |
| 03:30.29 | KTL | Red Foot, coffee, cup of coffee... |
| 03:31.05 | KTL | He kept you alive BECAUSE you're stupid and crumble |
| 03:32.51 | triclops | hmm, @nick didn't seem to work either. Still puts me in a tank. |
| 03:34.07 | KTL | ah, i just looked at it |
| 03:34.14 | KTL | you are looking at the bzsnap |
| 03:34.42 | KTL | observer is just another team now it seems |
| 03:34.51 | KTL | so change the team to observer |
| 03:35.37 | KTL | (a lot changed at that client fiew) |
| 03:38.22 | triclops | yes thats it. hmm silly me, i've even noted seeing it as a team before. oh well. thanks |
| 03:40.12 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Wee.. decreased memory usage by almost 20%. Disabled processing of suffixes and prefixes (will be conditionally processed later upon valid match). Added l33tspeakSetFromCharacter for l33t-speak separation. Added timers to observer performance. |
| 03:42.23 | triclops | argh, in observer mode is screwed! |
| 03:42.39 | triclops | s/in// |
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| 04:32.30 | MrApathyCream | KTL, bam? |
| 04:35.56 | KTL | bam? |
| 04:36.20 | KTL | ~dict bam |
| 04:36.35 | KTL | bullet |
| 04:36.37 | KTL | avoiding |
| 04:36.40 | KTL | mech |
| 04:36.41 | KTL | aaaaaa |
| 04:37.37 | KTL | users.pandora.be/dpf/aaargh.png, that's a tree of possible points where he can go, i don't use so many layers, but it words efficient |
| 04:37.45 | KTL | works |
| 04:39.46 | KTL | ~bam |
| 04:39.47 | | bam is probably bullet avoiding mechanism |
| 04:39.51 | KTL | :-) |
| 04:40.25 | MrApathyCream | please teach roger!! :) |
| 04:41.09 | KTL | i've my own files, Roger has one function somewhere lost in playing.cxx |
| 04:41.57 | KTL | but i use it's autopilot-button for my code |
| 04:43.02 | triclops | KTL and MrApathyCream, what is the current status of AI in bzflag? I'm doing a thesis at uni where i'm supposed to make some bots that are smart for bzf and was wondering what efforts were being made? |
| 04:43.20 | MrApathyCream | the bots in bz are blazingly dumb |
| 04:43.21 | KTL | ah, euhm, MrApathyCream, if you want to shoot at that bot, it hasn't had smarter fire yet, if you set a server up, bzsnap one, i come to there |
| 04:43.38 | KTL | there are 2 bots in the bzsnap |
| 04:43.57 | KTL | the oldest bot has a pathfinding algo |
| 04:44.00 | MrApathyCream | triclops, an autopilot was added which is 'perhaps' slightly more human |
| 04:44.06 | MrApathyCream | (and slightly better) |
| 04:44.13 | KTL | doesn't jump, works on the main floor |
| 04:44.17 | KTL | it is dumb |
| 04:44.30 | MrApathyCream | the plan is to develop a bot api in the future for pluggable bots |
| 04:44.30 | captain_proton | the old bots have a really crummy pathfinding algorithm based on cells, which allows some bots to drive through buildings |
| 04:44.34 | MrApathyCream | but no work at this point |
| 04:44.52 | triclops | i'm considering trying to impliment an api |
| 04:44.59 | learner | if you guys can think of anything that you want me to change on brlcad.org that might help out, just let me know |
| 04:45.14 | KTL | the second one is Roger, and he replaces the human as autopilot, he has no pathfinding but some interesting moves and a minimal jumping |
| 04:45.30 | KTL | and flag finding |
| 04:46.17 | KTL | learner can read the to do list at brlcad's mainpage:-) |
| 04:46.44 | learner | lol, i meant the game server running on brlcad.org:14242 |
| 04:46.50 | KTL | aaaaaaaa |
| 04:47.01 | KTL | euhm, latest version? |
| 04:47.16 | KTL | somebody there? i want to test my bot a bit more |
| 04:47.48 | learner | the server is up and running most always |
| 04:47.59 | learner | I can jump on if you need |
| 04:48.11 | KTL | euhm, it must be the bzsnap version |
| 04:48.14 | KTL | the cvs |
| 04:48.34 | learner | I'm running the latest code |
| 04:48.38 | learner | from cvs |
| 04:49.01 | learner | you're getting removed .. you must have an older client |
| 04:49.04 | KTL | djee, that will be the latest of the latest |
| 04:49.12 | KTL | mine is days old |
| 04:49.14 | MrApathyCream | KTL on 1.9? |
| 04:49.16 | learner | ah |
| 04:49.38 | KTL | i can't simply transfer my botcode |
| 04:50.16 | KTL | but maybe i can cheat |
| 04:50.25 | KTL | must have BZFS1903 |
| 04:51.13 | KTL | (where is the version defined?) |
| 04:52.02 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): properly escape the right l33t chars; handle whitespace better |
| 04:52.55 | learner | version is defined in include/version.h |
| 04:54.31 | learner | saweet.. filter file now loads in a mere second or two |
| 04:55.52 | KTL | he is in a server, i think yours brlcad |
| 04:56.32 | learner | ah, yes.. BAMBOT |
| 04:56.47 | KTL | jaiks must recompile a detailm |
| 04:56.56 | learner | okay |
| 04:56.58 | KTL | he starts always in the center, there is a building there |
| 04:57.05 | learner | hehe |
| 04:59.48 | KTL | good, that was bad |
| 05:00.04 | KTL | the other bots could shoot him when they where very near |
| 05:00.15 | KTL | a bit more then sw-radius |
| 05:00.49 | KTL | but if they where further away, he survived well, but, on a system with almost no lag, loopback interface |
| 05:45.02 | MrApathyCream | so whens the ship date? |
| 05:46.59 | MrApathyCream | you gonna done the hat? |
| 05:47.52 | learner | the BAM code is cude |
| 05:47.55 | learner | er, cute |
| 05:48.10 | learner | evaded a couple shots |
| 05:48.52 | KTL | if they are fired more intelligently it has a prob |
| 05:49.02 | KTL | i've changed it's sensivity |
| 05:49.20 | captain_proton | done the hat? |
| 05:49.27 | KTL | back to the server? |
| 05:49.35 | learner | for a couple minutes.. but no otto |
| 05:50.30 | MrApathyCream | ~ibot spell done |
| 05:50.30 | | 'done' may be spelled correctly |
| 05:50.50 | MrApathyCream | ~ibot spell don |
| 05:50.50 | | 'don' may be spelled correctly |
| 05:50.54 | MrApathyCream | grr |
| 05:51.18 | MrApathyCream | don the hat? |
| 05:51.28 | MrApathyCream | ~dict don |
| 05:53.32 | MrApathyCream | ~fistify captain_proton |
| 05:53.33 | | ACTION captain_proton dons the fist hat, and prepares to build the release version |
| 06:04.51 | KTL | mmm |
| 06:05.31 | KTL | what i miss with the bzbots is a better api |
| 06:05.33 | learner | there are still a couple bugs to be resolved in the voting system, so everyone knows |
| 06:05.39 | KTL | there is no freaking jump command |
| 06:06.33 | KTL | waaaaaauw all that light????? the sun is coming up |
| 06:06.35 | KTL | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 06:06.44 | KTL | i'm falling into dust |
| 06:06.56 | KTL | 8 o clock damn |
| 06:07.08 | KTL | i should have been in my bed since more then 10 hours |
| 06:07.24 | KTL | totally surprised |
| 06:07.38 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:09.01 | KTL | ok bye then:-) |
| 06:09.12 | learner | er, g'night :/ |
| 06:23.54 | learner | last I heard, we had talked about releasing a final in 2 weeks -- that now is testing and debugging |
| 06:24.33 | learner | "we" being pat, tim, myself, and maybe ches (maybe not) for those that care |
| 06:24.46 | learner | don't know who else may have been lurking |
| 06:25.18 | MrApathyCream | 2 weeks from ??? |
| 06:25.28 | learner | from this weekend |
| 06:25.53 | learner | it was "3-4 weeks" a week and a few days ago |
| 06:26.09 | learner | those were tim's words |
| 06:26.34 | learner | I think we'll probably be ready next weekend |
| 06:26.54 | MrApathyCream | is anyone doing anything in the mean time? :) |
| 06:27.05 | learner | hehe, yea :) |
| 06:27.25 | learner | actually until about noon today, the 1.9 list server wasn't even working right -- the version strings were wrong |
| 06:27.34 | learner | er, 3-4pm |
| 06:28.11 | learner | ches and tupone worked on communication bugs all day |
| 06:28.15 | MrApathyCream | it is either is good enough now, or a whole lot of energy by bunches of folks need to test it. |
| 06:28.29 | learner | tupone got the incessant rebuilding stopped |
| 06:28.29 | MrApathyCream | probably neither is really true |
| 06:28.53 | MrApathyCream | so we should just ship it, and fix it when people start yellin. :] |
| 06:29.30 | learner | the only part of my code that I'm not ready to ship is the voting code -- it just simply won't work due to changes I made last night :) |
| 06:29.43 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:29.49 | MrApathyCream | 'the final tweak' |
| 06:29.51 | learner | I know a lot of people are waiting/wanting to use that, so that needs to be fixed |
| 06:30.12 | MrApathyCream | do you know what's wrong? |
| 06:30.36 | learner | yea, it's parsing the command args wrong |
| 06:30.46 | learner | it's ends up getting a null player name |
| 06:30.52 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 06:31.05 | learner | i.e. /poll kick learner |
| 06:31.16 | learner | it can't parse "learner" properly |
| 06:31.26 | MrApathyCream | this is on the server? |
| 06:31.30 | learner | it did, but i b0rked it when I modified the text utils |
| 06:31.46 | learner | yes, it's in bzfs.cxx under the /poll handler section |
| 06:32.04 | learner | it also doesn't seem to track users with spaces in their names quite right |
| 06:32.11 | learner | could be the same/related problem |
| 06:32.57 | MrApathyCream | how do you separate /poll kick learner? |
| 06:32.59 | MrApathyCream | spaces? |
| 06:33.15 | learner | any whitespace |
| 06:33.37 | learner | it tokenizes everything inside the /poll command itself |
| 06:33.42 | learner | even handling optional quotes |
| 06:34.47 | learner | the entire /command-handling section that sucker lives in (parse()) needs to be rewritten to use the CommandManager, but I slated that for 1.11 ... |
| 06:35.00 | learner | the command shouldn't be doing this string parsing junk |
| 06:36.28 | learner | I'm pretty sure exactly what the parsing problem is, why it looses track of usernames with spaces is a little messier |
| 06:39.01 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (bzflag.dsp): Add TextUtils.h to VC Builds |
| 06:41.49 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (TextUtils.h): added isVisible(), firstVisible(), and firstNonvisible() to identify characters that are letters, punctuation, or numbers, but not whitespace |
| 07:07.37 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/include (TextUtils.h): less confusing tokenize |
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| 07:12.07 | learner | eep! chatelaine! |
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| 07:21.22 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (TextUtils.h): quell warning about signed/unsigned comparsion |
| 07:27.16 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (TextUtils.h): er, printable is supposed to include punctuation.. |
| 07:32.31 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (common.dsp): add TextUtils.h to vc build |
| 07:52.19 | learner | oh, I just remembered, for the ALPHA release that was posted on bzbb.. it's incompatible with the current servers due to the versioning bug from earlier |
| 07:57.37 | MrApathyCream | smoooth |
| 07:58.02 | MrApathyCream | well, off to bed |
| 07:58.08 | learner | g'night mac |
| 07:58.11 | learner | erp |
| 07:58.17 | learner | slippery sucker |
| 08:06.27 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (TextUtils.h): added firstAlphabetic() and firstNonalphabetic range finder |
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| 08:31.19 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added WordFilter::setFromCharacter() which returns which real characters a l33t-speak punctuation might correspond to |
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| 10:26.17 | Tupone | Chestal: poke |
| 10:27.24 | Chestal | aua |
| 10:27.38 | Tupone | about the yesterday discusion on bzfs port |
| 10:27.44 | Chestal | yes |
| 10:27.50 | Tupone | I removed the other port. seems to work |
| 10:28.15 | Tupone | The only worries is: now nothing is setted to receive broadcast |
| 10:28.24 | Tupone | and still I receive |
| 10:28.24 | Chestal | I am not sure I understand how it is supposed to work |
| 10:28.40 | Tupone | bzflag send a broadcast request on the lan |
| 10:28.45 | Chestal | for lan discovery, a broadcast to port 5154 is sent? |
| 10:28.47 | Tupone | at port 5154 |
| 10:28.52 | Tupone | yeah |
| 10:29.04 | Tupone | if my bzfs is using the default port |
| 10:29.17 | Tupone | the request message is trapped by him, and it respond |
| 10:30.08 | Tupone | man pages says that we should use SOL_BROADCAST option to send or receive. |
| 10:30.46 | Tupone | bzflag uses, but bzfs no, but it is accepting broadcast messages |
| 10:31.07 | Tupone | so I don't know why it works, but itis actually |
| 10:31.15 | Chestal | hmm, I would have assumed that for receiving a broadcast, nothing special has to be done. But then I never did it |
| 10:31.31 | Tupone | could be that man pages are not aligned |
| 10:31.31 | Chestal | what should happen if I start bzfs with a different port? |
| 10:31.48 | Tupone | no message is received, so nothing happen |
| 10:32.06 | Chestal | so, it shouldn't additionally listen on 5154 then? |
| 10:32.21 | Tupone | no. as Tim said |
| 10:32.35 | Chestal | ok |
| 10:32.53 | Tupone | I don't know if in 1 host more than one socket can receive broadcast to the same address |
| 10:33.09 | Tupone | so message should eventually be duplicated |
| 10:33.23 | Chestal | I don't think that's possible |
| 10:34.20 | Tupone | in fact, before my fixed we got a warning "cannot bind ...." for duplicating addressess |
| 10:35.24 | Tupone | I made that wrong .cc file :~( . At work i used that extension so ... |
| 10:35.46 | Chestal | I always use .cc myself |
| 10:35.57 | Tupone | MAC as fixed it! |
| 10:36.03 | Tupone | s/as/has/ |
| 10:36.24 | Chestal | you think the bots are now working? |
| 10:37.05 | Chestal | I was wondering whether it is worthwhel to try to enhance them further, but I fear they woudö have to be transformed to act liek real players (i.e. with collision checking etc.) to be able to do so |
| 10:37.47 | Chestal | they suffer from their inflexible path following, but that cannot easily be changed unless _all_ of the checks done for the main player would also be done foro robots |
| 10:37.56 | Tupone | I'd like, for every path, to see how much we can move right or left |
| 10:38.03 | Tupone | and the waving |
| 10:38.32 | Tupone | we can have a list of the obstacle and see the nearest to the path we are currently taking |
| 10:39.10 | Tupone | we could have also a list of enemy to shoot. |
| 10:39.19 | Tupone | if we wave, more enemy can be killed |
| 10:39.36 | Tupone | and we can avoid shot, just waving |
| 10:39.41 | Chestal | main problem is that is is ridiculously easy to shoot them |
| 10:39.41 | Tupone | You got |
| 10:40.01 | Tupone | if we let them wave, can be no |
| 10:40.56 | Chestal | it shuld use indirect steering like Roger or a player |
| 10:41.02 | Chestal | it is far too tight coupled |
| 10:41.12 | Chestal | the robot directly sets its position |
| 10:41.39 | Tupone | if can have a corridor ... we don't need a collision engine |
| 10:41.47 | Chestal | they should internally be handled just a a normal player |
| 10:42.01 | Chestal | an donly be able to use turn/moving/shot commands |
| 10:42.31 | Chestal | I don't think the current concept is good for making clever bots |
| 10:42.43 | Chestal | of course a real solution is still the robot API, but that#s not goign to happen soon |
| 10:43.35 | Tupone | Hovewer I think now they are fun. |
| 10:43.40 | triclops | umm, except something by middle next year :) |
| 10:43.40 | Chestal | yes |
| 10:43.50 | Chestal | it's jsut frustratign that they get shot so easily :-) |
| 10:43.55 | Chestal | even with my enahnced aiming |
| 10:44.17 | Chestal | and I'd liek to teach them rico, I have code for that from my old bots, but I don't think it would integrate well into the -solo bots |
| 10:44.35 | Tupone | Problem is they cannot grab flag |
| 10:44.45 | Tupone | server does not allow them |
| 10:44.58 | Chestal | it should all be redesigned |
| 10:45.13 | Chestal | but I think the bots are now at least useful for newbies to train with |
| 10:45.47 | Tupone | If I have time, I can improve a lot (easier because they are now silly) |
| 10:46.06 | Chestal | I just fear that it's too hard to really improve them with the current concept |
| 10:46.26 | Chestal | you'd always have to make sure that they do not cheat, I'm not even sure roger and the solo bots do not do so already |
| 10:46.34 | Chestal | e.g. stealth, invisible bullets |
| 10:46.57 | Chestal | do the bots get teleported? |
| 10:47.22 | Tupone | I don't think, Now teleport are obstacle so they do not enter |
| 10:47.59 | triclops | hey, do you guys think the bots should be server side, or client side? |
| 10:48.15 | Chestal | neither :-) |
| 10:48.25 | Tupone | or both |
| 10:48.28 | triclops | hehe |
| 10:48.29 | Chestal | more precisely: they should be special clients |
| 10:48.38 | Chestal | not tied to the current server of client |
| 10:49.02 | triclops | what would make them different to a normal client? |
| 10:49.30 | Chestal | well, you wouldn't normally want a GUI for them |
| 10:49.45 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): using just 1 socket is enough |
| 10:49.59 | triclops | hehe, maybe for debugging. i guess observer mode would suffice though. |
| 10:50.05 | Chestal | we want that everyone can build their own bots |
| 10:50.11 | Chestal | thus the robot api/lib/protocol |
| 10:50.29 | triclops | yeah, i've been putting some thought into that. |
| 10:51.28 | Chestal | we'd need to decouple the core client logic from the player client and reuse it, at least that's w'one way to do it |
| 10:52.01 | triclops | that's one line, it think its very useful, but has shortcommings i think if done from the server side. |
| 10:52.09 | triclops | s/it/i/ |
| 10:54.21 | triclops | scripting is something that would be cool |
| 10:55.04 | Chestal | yes, the question is: tie it to one language. If so, create our own or use something liek python |
| 10:55.33 | triclops | i was thinking that it could be made modular enough to support a variety of languages |
| 10:56.15 | Chestal | to be honest: I fear that it is not going to happen |
| 10:56.32 | Chestal | to really make it in a good way, most of the bfzalg client would have to be rewritten |
| 10:56.46 | triclops | hehe, it better. i have a thesis riding on getting AI working in bzflag :) |
| 10:57.09 | Chestal | it might be possible to build an ok solution |
| 10:57.22 | Chestal | but the total decouplign of the core logic seems too difficult for me |
| 10:57.53 | Chestal | an alternative would be to write a second client |
| 10:57.57 | Chestal | liky pybzflag |
| 10:58.08 | Chestal | but that woudl always have to stay in synch whenever the protocol changes |
| 10:58.43 | triclops | yeah, thats really bad. It'd much nicer if code reuse was mazimised. |
| 11:00.28 | triclops | i've spent the last couple of days figuring out the logic of playing.cxx pretty convinced that a seperate bot client was the way to go - sharing a lot of bzflag's code |
| 11:00.59 | triclops | but now i'm tempted with the idea of a complete server side implimentation, which wouldn't use any of bzflags code |
| 11:01.41 | Chestal | hmm |
| 11:02.49 | Chestal | this would mean some major changes to the server |
| 11:03.00 | Chestal | the server has only very limited game state so far |
| 11:03.09 | triclops | hehe, i just noticed that :) |
| 11:05.26 | triclops | using server side bots would most likely mean bzflag code being used in bzfs to deal with state for the bots |
| 11:05.47 | triclops | a bit messy, but you then don't have bandwidth problems |
| 11:05.58 | Tupone | A more powerful and hence timeconsuming server will defeat cheating for ever! |
| 11:06.41 | Tupone | all logic, hit, movement to the server, client do just rendering |
| 11:07.28 | triclops | and to run a client without lag would require a T1 |
| 11:08.19 | Tupone | why? it'll use dead-reckoning like now. |
| 11:08.55 | Tupone | Yeah, actually I don't know |
| 11:09.23 | triclops | dead-reckoning is a compromise. server stores state, client stores state. |
| 11:09.42 | triclops | is the only way to go though |
| 11:09.53 | Chestal | serevr coudl becoem too slow |
| 11:10.01 | Chestal | righ tnow the server can handle 100s of players CPU wise |
| 11:10.20 | Chestal | if it woudl have to do all of the collision checks, it coudl barf with only a coupel of players already |
| 11:10.49 | Tupone | IMHO that's the primary disadvantage! |
| 11:11.26 | Chestal | the server should probably know more about the game state, but it cannot handle everything |
| 11:12.02 | triclops | hmm, you don't have to do collision detection on the environment if the bot never goes anywhere 'bad' |
| 11:12.17 | Chestal | that#s what the current bots do |
| 11:12.21 | Chestal | and I think it's a bad design choice |
| 11:12.46 | triclops | why? |
| 11:13.04 | Chestal | for oen thing: you'd have to adjust the bots ervytime the game physics change |
| 11:13.19 | Chestal | the normal game lgoic liek collisions etc. shoudl be applied to bots, too |
| 11:13.30 | Chestal | thus it is 100% guaranteed they can never cheat |
| 11:13.56 | triclops | just like the normal clients can never cheat :-) |
| 11:13.57 | Chestal | furthermore, they shoudl only have access to information that a human player has access to, too |
| 11:14.09 | triclops | oh that i agree completely with |
| 11:14.16 | Chestal | thus, the bots should use an API that make sure it is impossible to cheat |
| 11:14.31 | Chestal | and the logic of not cheatign should not be inside the high level bot code |
| 11:15.06 | Chestal | this code should only be able to do liek 3 things: set wanted speed/rotation, shoot, drop flags |
| 11:15.18 | Chestal | and maybe send messages |
| 11:15.28 | Tupone | Now bot see stealth, but they have some disadvantage, they cannot grab any flag, so for now I think they are balanced |
| 11:16.13 | triclops | and set a nemesis and target, self destruct, pause and maybe send server commands are the only other ones I've come up with |
| 11:16.33 | Chestal | nemesis and target are internal only |
| 11:16.44 | Chestal | self destruct, yes |
| 11:16.54 | triclops | isn't target necessary for GM |
| 11:16.58 | Chestal | a bot should never pause IMHO .-) |
| 11:17.29 | Chestal | hmm, ok, somethign woudl have to be thought of for GM |
| 11:17.47 | triclops | and what is the 'hunt' command used for? |
| 11:18.08 | Chestal | gives visual/audio feedback for that player |
| 11:18.11 | Chestal | e.g. flashign on radar |
| 11:18.43 | triclops | ahh. |
| 11:19.13 | Chestal | several attempts have been made in the past to define an API etc. |
| 11:19.35 | Chestal | I remember that there have been some websites long ago |
| 11:19.36 | triclops | are they documented anywhere? |
| 11:21.20 | Chestal | I found http://www.geocities.com/moss-taylor/bzflag_ai.html |
| 11:22.17 | Chestal | I am not sure what the status of pybz is |
| 11:22.33 | triclops | my rough api is at http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~cbro903/botapi.txt just some random thoughts |
| 11:24.03 | triclops | ouch the other proposed ai hasn't been touched since '01 |
| 11:24.47 | Chestal | yep, it's old |
| 11:25.28 | Chestal | for the API the most difficult thing would be defining interfaces for querying information about the game state |
| 11:26.09 | triclops | why? |
| 11:26.18 | Chestal | well, that#s most of it :-) |
| 11:26.29 | Chestal | there are only a few actions to be taken and those are easy |
| 11:26.52 | Chestal | the query interfaces shoudl be easy to use and only give information that should be accessable |
| 11:27.19 | Chestal | for soem of the information it is not quite clear what should be directly accessable and which not |
| 11:28.41 | Chestal | if you're not python-phobe, pybzflag migh tbe a good start, because I'd assume that the design is cleaner, i.e. game logic is more seperated. But I have no idea how much of what is needed is already in there |
| 11:29.25 | triclops | hmm, never looked at python. |
| 11:31.01 | Chestal | me neither |
| 11:31.20 | Chestal | mot of th eprotocol is probably implemented, but I am not sure if that is true for the game physics, too |
| 11:31.40 | triclops | that could make it difficult |
| 11:32.42 | Chestal | the easisest way right now IMHO would be to make a modified client, resp. add to the client |
| 11:32.58 | Chestal | the client already does everythign that is needed. ALl the ifnormation is thre and coudl be wrapped in a robot api |
| 11:33.30 | Chestal | the robot actions coudl then be mapped to player actions, not unlike Roger does now, but with a clear interface, not directly hooked into playing.cxx |
| 11:33.58 | Chestal | that would still leave the bot client with a full GUI though |
| 11:34.10 | triclops | thats what i'm most likely going to do. and if the api is nice it can be implemented differently later without breaking the scripts |
| 11:34.16 | triclops | the gui can easily be removed :) |
| 11:34.17 | Chestal | yes |
| 11:34.29 | triclops | but not like tims patch |
| 11:34.31 | Chestal | it's not a perfect solution, but the only feasable one that I can see right now |
| 11:34.48 | Chestal | are you sure it can? |
| 11:35.07 | Chestal | I coudl imagine a nullplatform |
| 11:35.19 | triclops | sorry? nullplayform? |
| 11:35.25 | Chestal | but there yare gl calls all over the place |
| 11:36.09 | triclops | thats the messy bit - detaching the IO |
| 11:36.16 | Chestal | for my old hackish bots I just removed the main render call |
| 11:36.19 | Chestal | but I still had a window |
| 11:36.35 | triclops | did it still play sounds ? |
| 11:36.45 | Chestal | and I hakced the logic into LocalPlayer.cxx, so no clean interface |
| 11:36.49 | Chestal | I started them with -mute :-) |
| 11:37.04 | Chestal | and replcaed the rendering by sleepign for 5ms or so |
| 11:37.11 | triclops | lol. the playsound hooks are all over the place |
| 11:37.54 | Chestal | my bot is dumb, but effective for my typical server setup |
| 11:38.18 | Chestal | on a non-jumping, 2 shot FFA setup the bot woudl usually be the highest scorign player |
| 11:38.42 | triclops | probably because its smarter than the newbies |
| 11:38.49 | triclops | and its always connected |
| 11:38.56 | Chestal | no |
| 11:39.08 | Chestal | it even beat almsot all of the vetereans |
| 11:39.17 | Chestal | just because of its precision |
| 11:39.31 | triclops | ahh, the accuracy of computer calculations |
| 11:39.40 | Chestal | it was simply very hard to hit |
| 11:40.00 | triclops | i figured out the coolest move that a bot could do btw |
| 11:40.15 | Chestal | did you ever play my odl bots? |
| 11:40.36 | triclops | honestly, i haven't played much so i doubt it |
| 11:40.49 | Chestal | I'd have to see if I can reactivate them |
| 11:41.18 | Chestal | they only sit in one place, choose a target, projects target's position and shoot at that point |
| 11:41.29 | triclops | simple |
| 11:41.34 | Chestal | when a shot flys in their direction, they try to evade by minimal movement |
| 11:41.45 | Chestal | furthermore they can do simpel rico calculations |
| 11:42.05 | Chestal | this defeats >95% of all players on this setup |
| 11:42.15 | triclops | nice. not quite a fun opponent though. |
| 11:42.24 | Chestal | not really :-) |
| 11:42.30 | Chestal | the ricos are sometimes fun |
| 11:42.45 | Chestal | it only does simpel ricos, but soemtimes they're still surprising - and very accurate |
| 11:43.20 | triclops | nice. i'm hoping to support teleporter shots too |
| 11:43.29 | Chestal | ah ye,s I thoguht of that |
| 11:43.39 | Chestal | it woudl have to 'learn' the teleporters |
| 11:44.11 | Chestal | teleporters can be used for ricos, too :-) |
| 11:44.27 | triclops | hehe, the options are limitless :) |
| 11:44.44 | triclops | you could shoot into a tele and then rico it into another tele |
| 11:45.23 | Chestal | a group of cooperative bots woudl also be fun |
| 11:45.38 | triclops | ahh, that is the REAL goal of my thesis. |
| 11:45.41 | Chestal | which arises the questions what amount of data they are allowed to exchange |
| 11:46.00 | triclops | anything over the normal 'chat' i would assume |
| 11:46.03 | *** join/#bzflag KTL_ (~KTL@scotty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) |
| 11:46.35 | Chestal | hi KTL |
| 11:46.48 | Chestal | am I mistaken or have you been thunkign about bots, too? |
| 11:47.04 | triclops | he was showing of bam earlier |
| 11:47.13 | triclops | s/of/off/ |
| 11:47.16 | Chestal | bam? |
| 11:47.27 | triclops | ~bam |
| 11:47.32 | | [bam] bullet avoiding mechanism |
| 11:47.46 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-255-34.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 11:48.10 | Chestal | the code for evadign shots in my bots was pretty simple. Hardest choice was in which direction to turn and then drive |
| 11:48.24 | Chestal | it only looked at one shot at a time, though |
| 11:48.42 | Chestal | it could not calculate a safe path when there are n bullets flying around |
| 11:48.53 | triclops | where n > 1 |
| 11:49.10 | triclops | that is not an easy problem |
| 11:49.21 | Chestal | yes, that#s because I ignored it :-) |
| 11:49.40 | Chestal | I was wonderign whether a bot which would be able to do that would do some really admirable moves |
| 11:50.19 | Chestal | and the problem was made even easier for me because the bot did only move to evade |
| 11:52.23 | triclops | IMHO movement is the trick to creating a good bot |
| 11:52.51 | *** join/#bzflag KTL_ (~KTL@scotty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:52.51 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@home-dhcp6-16.Colorado.EDU) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
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| 11:52.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bbb *!*@68.111.116.228 *cell*!*@* *!*@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net] by brunner.freenode.net |
| 11:52.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bb *gorb*!*@* *sussudio*!*@*] by brunner.freenode.net |
| 11:53.57 | Chestal | k, must go, cu later |
| 11:54.09 | triclops | cya, thanks for the thoughts |
| 12:05.40 | KTL_ | euhm ah |
| 12:05.44 | KTL_ | i just saw this |
| 12:05.57 | KTL_ | bam bam idd |
| 12:07.13 | KTL_ | working at improved algorithm now, learner shot his bullets in the middle of the first considered escapepath, because he only checks a circle around the endpoints he didn't see the bullets moving through the middle of the line |
| 12:07.57 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 12:08.08 | triclops | which line? |
| 12:08.11 | KTL_ | and that resulted in the bot that driving right in the bulletray |
| 12:08.23 | KTL_ | the line of the first escapepathsegment |
| 12:08.53 | triclops | ahh, i get it. |
| 12:09.01 | KTL_ | so i hope a "linesegment intersects bulletray" function 'll help |
| 12:09.46 | triclops | hopefully your checking that it isn't intersecting with the parts of the line that don't count :) |
| 12:10.21 | KTL_ | bool itIntersectsLine2D(Point p1, Point p2, Point it, Point itV); |
| 12:12.01 | triclops | otherwise it should work fine |
| 12:12.06 | KTL_ | problem with these algorithms is that is better make a qt prog apart, to check it better |
| 12:13.18 | triclops | hehe |
| 12:13.44 | KTL_ | SEEMS |
| 12:13.58 | triclops | lol |
| 12:18.50 | KTL_ | ah, and i have to check that the points of the escapepath are reachable, he is lurking stupid against a wall now |
| 12:21.10 | triclops | collision detection, yay |
| 12:21.24 | triclops | not quite |
| 12:22.00 | KTL_ | for the escapepath it's a bit simpler, the pathlengts are very small, so checking if one if the points is outside the field or inside a building must be fine |
| 12:22.15 | KTL_ | (this is all exponential!:-) ) |
| 12:22.52 | triclops | a function that gets the objects within a particular radius would be nice |
| 12:23.34 | KTL_ | instead of checking them all everytime idd |
| 12:23.42 | KTL_ | good idea:-) |
| 12:24.45 | triclops | such a function would grow exponentially anyway, but you'd cut out a substantial number of calculations. esp if the results were used more than once. |
| 12:26.27 | KTL_ | idd |
| 12:28.05 | Chestal | are you working in 4D space? |
| 12:29.30 | KTL_ | no, most of the algorithms are in 2D, but the rest of the code uses the time and heigth |
| 12:30.15 | Chestal | I was wondering aobut the general problem of avoiding a number of linear shots in a 2D plance |
| 12:30.55 | KTL_ | well, i'm using a tree of escaptePoints, searches until he finds a path |
| 12:31.33 | KTL_ | and for each point he gets the impacttime |
| 12:31.43 | Chestal | each escapepoint has a fixed time? |
| 12:32.11 | KTL_ | and then for each point he must see that the impacttime - the time to reach is bigger then a minimal time |
| 12:32.28 | KTL_ | and if impacttime - ttr is big enough he is "save" |
| 12:32.45 | Chestal | abs(impacttime - ttr)? |
| 12:32.46 | KTL_ | euhm, i fixed the interval yes, 1 second |
| 12:32.57 | KTL_ | fabs |
| 12:33.27 | Chestal | 1s seems long |
| 12:33.45 | KTL_ | it's difficult to debug, so many things that can go rong, very happy that i could do a renderpath |
| 12:33.59 | Chestal | yes, visualizing it seems interesting |
| 12:34.02 | KTL_ | 1 second... |
| 12:34.17 | KTL_ | less then 1 sec... mmm |
| 12:34.25 | KTL_ | it's not so easy to avoid a bullet |
| 12:34.49 | KTL_ | that are 25 units forwards |
| 12:35.00 | Chestal | yes, which is a lot |
| 12:35.07 | Chestal | mauyeb I do not udnerstand hwat the 1s refers to |
| 12:35.24 | KTL_ | i saw him doing against the old bots |
| 12:35.26 | Chestal | I thought it was for defining the first level escape points |
| 12:35.33 | KTL_ | they all shot at him in a straight line |
| 12:35.45 | Chestal | did you implement this in a real bzflag client? |
| 12:35.58 | KTL_ | an mister bot moves himself an inch, and they all pass... i always think they will hit |
| 12:36.19 | KTL_ | a bzsnap from some days old yes |
| 12:36.28 | Chestal | where in the code? roger? bot? |
| 12:36.37 | KTL_ | 2 new files |
| 12:36.41 | KTL_ | with a class Beast |
| 12:36.55 | KTL_ | and Beast is constructed when the LocalPlayer is constructed |
| 12:37.03 | Chestal | ah, so it's the main player? |
| 12:37.06 | KTL_ | yeps |
| 12:37.20 | KTL_ | otherwise i had no jump command |
| 12:37.39 | Chestal | no need to jump if you can escape without :-) |
| 12:37.54 | KTL_ | euhm, bulletavoiding is not everything |
| 12:38.02 | KTL_ | it 'll have to jump |
| 12:38.23 | KTL_ | if the tree doesn't deliver an escapepath ==> JUMP! |
| 12:38.26 | Chestal | well, I play withotu jumping anyway |
| 12:38.57 | KTL_ | brrrrrr, like CapN, if there is no jumping i myself am a bad player |
| 12:39.05 | Chestal | so, what's the distance of the closes escapepoints? |
| 12:39.17 | KTL_ | some players adapted to the ground, that CapN, i can't get him |
| 12:39.29 | Chestal | once you're in the air, my old bot will kill you :-) |
| 12:39.46 | KTL_ | well, there are 9 children |
| 12:40.04 | Chestal | grid? |
| 12:40.08 | KTL_ | forwards backwards staystay forleft forright backright back left stayleft stayright |
| 12:40.16 | Chestal | ok |
| 12:40.19 | KTL_ | or something like that |
| 12:40.46 | Chestal | relative to world or tank coordinates? |
| 12:40.51 | KTL_ | and i have a lot of algo's to get the estimated pos of a tank depending the situation |
| 12:40.55 | KTL_ | nand time |
| 12:41.08 | KTL_ | relative to the escapepoint |
| 12:41.22 | Chestal | I mean orientation |
| 12:41.23 | KTL_ | and the tank is at the central escapepoint, the root |
| 12:41.27 | KTL_ | angle too |
| 12:41.37 | Chestal | does 'forward' mean the direfction the tank is lookign right now? |
| 12:41.42 | KTL_ | users.pandora.be/dpf/aaargh.png |
| 12:41.55 | KTL_ | idd, 25 units before his nose with his angle |
| 12:42.25 | Chestal | so the forwarsd point is the oen which can be reache din shortest time |
| 12:42.50 | KTL_ | but backricht for example is more fun, it really uses his angle, with that vrot and pos and vel he 'll be there in 1 sec |
| 12:43.08 | KTL_ | euhm, the first layer of the tree are all points of one sec |
| 12:43.13 | KTL_ | seconde layer 2 secs |
| 12:43.20 | KTL_ | my bot thinks 2 secs |
| 12:43.22 | Chestal | still seems to be a lot of time to me |
| 12:43.36 | Chestal | so let's say you check forward escape point |
| 12:43.38 | KTL_ | can be:-) |
| 12:43.45 | triclops | no good for close range |
| 12:43.56 | Chestal | then you check impact times of shots for that path |
| 12:44.03 | KTL_ | idd |
| 12:44.11 | Chestal | and do not use the path when there is an impact at 0 < t < 1 |
| 12:44.51 | Chestal | if you can do al lthe calculations, a distance of about tankRadius sounds like a good start to me |
| 12:44.54 | KTL_ | that's not checked yet, but i 'm working at an intersect function |
| 12:45.15 | KTL_ | as interval |
| 12:45.22 | Chestal | it would still not be able to find all possible paths, but much more when there are a lot of shots |
| 12:45.51 | KTL_ | it only has to find one path, otherwise it 'll take to much time i think |
| 12:46.03 | Chestal | of course you could implement the impact check for the path differently |
| 12:46.17 | Chestal | so, not only check if 0 < impactimte < tiemtogetthere |
| 12:46.27 | Chestal | but also check whether at impacttime the shot woudl actualyl hit the tank |
| 12:46.47 | Chestal | I think the collison check in bzflag is acutally doing this already |
| 12:47.15 | Chestal | that woudl require that you can predict exactly when the tank will be at whichcoordinates |
| 12:47.32 | KTL_ | when a bullet in bzflag hits? i believe an algo does that, but only for a small pathSegment it seams, to late to react |
| 12:47.47 | KTL_ | i can predict his pos |
| 12:47.57 | Chestal | yes, I was just thinkign of using the same algortihm, actualyl it shouldn't be too hard |
| 12:48.33 | Chestal | so tanjk wants to move from pos1 to pos2 starting at time t1, arriving at time t2 |
| 12:48.36 | KTL_ | by making that algorithm bigger we risk a lot of cpu i think |
| 12:48.47 | Chestal | you do impacattime=getimpact(shot,p1,p2) |
| 12:48.52 | KTL_ | with vrot an startangl |
| 12:49.11 | Chestal | then check whether distance(mypos(impacttime),shitpos(impacttime))<TankRadius |
| 12:49.15 | Chestal | than avoid that path |
| 12:49.30 | Chestal | eh, not shitpos ;-) hitpos |
| 12:49.37 | Chestal | shotpos actually |
| 12:49.39 | KTL_ | at the moment it is float getImpactTime(Point p, float radius, float aboveTime); |
| 12:50.10 | Chestal | but you'd need to checkfor the whole segment |
| 12:50.16 | Chestal | os make the segments very short |
| 12:50.33 | Chestal | < radius |
| 12:50.49 | Chestal | whatever, it sounds interesting :-) |
| 12:51.04 | Chestal | I'd liek to see that tank just evading, not jumping, not shooting |
| 12:51.24 | KTL_ | my own impacttime algo simply checks the distance between a given point and a line defined by a given shot |
| 12:51.26 | Chestal | it should be able to avoid all shots as long as it's not in a bad spot or shooter isn't too close |
| 12:51.44 | KTL_ | you want to see it? |
| 12:52.08 | Chestal | later,I must do some work I get paid for first :-( |
| 12:52.15 | KTL_ | :-) |
| 12:53.10 | KTL_ | (i've a little prob, that bot is implemented in a bzsnap from a week ago, it get's icompatible with the newer ones, so there are no public servers for it anymore) |
| 12:53.16 | Chestal | with 1.9 you can even easily test it with different shot speeds etc. |
| 12:53.35 | Chestal | hmm, simply doing cvs up gives you conflicts? |
| 12:53.56 | KTL_ | should i risk that? |
| 12:54.13 | Chestal | it doesn't sopudn like there are too many changes in the normal files |
| 12:54.17 | KTL_ | and i 'm not used to cvs, it's the bzsnap i use |
| 12:54.20 | Chestal | differences should merge in quite well |
| 12:54.38 | Chestal | if it cannot resolve them, it will put both versons into that file and mark it, so you can resolve it manually |
| 12:54.44 | Chestal | cvs is good for you :-) |
| 12:54.57 | KTL_ | maybe i even can't log in |
| 12:55.06 | Chestal | I'm experimentign with patches -solo robots here and using cvs up usually works fine |
| 12:55.18 | KTL_ | patches!:-) |
| 12:55.34 | Chestal | 'patched', even |
| 12:56.04 | Chestal | hmm, not sure, I think someoen needs to put you onto the lsit of developers so you have direct CVS access |
| 12:56.14 | KTL_ | if i work at a patch, and everytime before i compile the newest bzsnap, i can run the patch, and so i stay up to date... |
| 12:56.27 | Chestal | yes |
| 12:56.35 | Chestal | using CVS woudl eb easier for you though |
| 12:57.38 | KTL_ | mmm idd, these patches, how are they made? |
| 12:57.49 | KTL_ | i've the impression they are autogenerated someway |
| 12:57.52 | KTL_ | cvs i guess |
| 12:58.37 | KTL_ | ah, maybe with "patch":-) must see |
| 12:58.45 | triclops | try diff |
| 12:58.50 | Chestal | with cvs, you simply do 'cvs diff -u' |
| 12:59.50 | KTL_ | nice |
| 13:00.12 | Chestal | what's your sf login? |
| 13:00.51 | Chestal | you can already use anon CVS of course |
| 13:00.59 | Chestal | probably lags by 2 days or so |
| 13:02.19 | KTL_ | no sf login yet |
| 13:02.40 | Chestal | maybe anon CVS is good enough for you for now |
| 13:02.50 | KTL_ | mmm, good |
| 13:03.06 | KTL_ | login in as "anon" instead of "anonymous" ? |
| 13:03.20 | KTL_ | i remember heving trouble with that |
| 13:03.22 | KTL_ | having |
| 13:03.56 | Chestal | it had problems, not sure if its working now |
| 13:04.30 | Chestal | https://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3248 should work; if not, it's still/again broken |
| 13:06.10 | KTL_ | login in worked (no errors), and downloading... takes time yes started |
| 13:15.37 | *** join/#bzflag tea|tree_ (~tea|tree@pD9E96709.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:45.25 | bzgirl | KTL_: is that your site with all the maps? |
| 13:45.56 | bzgirl | pandora.be? its nice |
| 13:46.44 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-162-128.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 13:49.08 | KTL_ | myes |
| 13:49.12 | KTL_ | :-) |
| 13:49.37 | KTL_ | made it directly after the discovery of pybzflag |
| 14:01.59 | learner | Ugh. I do dislike mornings. |
| 14:02.51 | Tupone | learner: g'morning |
| 14:04.37 | learner | Buon giorno. |
| 14:05.06 | Tupone | Huau. svegliato bene? |
| 14:05.52 | Tupone | "your waking up has been good?" |
| 14:05.56 | learner | no.. |
| 14:06.41 | Tupone | where are you based? CA? |
| 14:07.03 | learner | maryland |
| 14:07.32 | Tupone | so it's near Nine of clock? |
| 14:08.46 | learner | Close, it's 10 |
| 14:20.06 | learner | Mi sento mal di testa tratando recordar mi italiano =) |
| 14:21.55 | learner | Oof.. and now I have a headache on top of sleep, nausia, and my dazed state.. |
| 14:22.25 | Tupone | forget it. It's just morning. Don't want you to get bad for all the day |
| 14:22.34 | learner | hehe |
| 14:22.42 | learner | it won't be because of that :) |
| 14:22.59 | Tupone | thats beer? |
| 14:23.19 | learner | I'm just generally grumpy and useless in the morning.. and I didn't even drink yesterday |
| 14:23.31 | learner | maybe that's why I have a headache.. :) |
| 14:24.06 | Tupone | So next friday, be drunk |
| 14:25.26 | learner | I could go for a good bloody mary right about now, but they are hard to mix right and I don't have all the ingredients |
| 14:26.16 | Tupone | what's bloody mary: tomato, gin and what else |
| 14:26.35 | bzgirl | tomato juice+vodka+pepper+worcheshire sauce |
| 14:26.45 | learner | lol |
| 14:27.00 | learner | that was quick, girl :) |
| 14:27.11 | bzgirl | ex bartender |
| 14:27.14 | Chestal | sounds evil |
| 14:27.27 | bzgirl | its yummy |
| 14:27.30 | learner | they can be very good if mixed just right |
| 14:27.47 | bzgirl | but clamato juice is better to make it a Ceasar |
| 14:29.36 | Tupone | I'm not so keen with tomato juice. I just tried some ... but I ... disliked |
| 14:31.07 | learner | I didn't use to like it until I had a good bloody mary a few years back. Now I can drink tomato juice most any way.. perhaps an acquired taste. |
| 14:31.13 | Chestal | I have yet to find a vegetable juice that does not make me puke |
| 14:31.25 | learner | lmao.. hehehehe |
| 14:32.00 | learner | Spicy V8 Mmmm |
| 14:36.12 | bzgirl | ~seen lars |
| 14:36.12 | | i haven't seen 'lars', bzgirl |
| 14:40.00 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 14:40.15 | learner | hey, noseman |
| 14:40.54 | learner | :o) |
| 14:40.57 | SGI | hello |
| 14:41.09 | Tupone | ~seen larsl |
| 14:41.09 | | larsl <~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15h 18m 14s ago, saying: 'Bleh.'. |
| 14:41.31 | bzgirl | ty Tupone :) |
| 14:57.34 | learner | ~seen Patlabor221 |
| 14:57.39 | | patlabor221 <~JeffM@208.48.199.214> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 17h 26m 10s ago, saying: 'http://www.jeffm.bakadigital.com/images/InternetExplorerWallpaper.JPG'. |
| 14:58.11 | Chestal | is actually anyonekeen on the auto-generated email addresses in bz? |
| 14:58.20 | Chestal | I know it was a bug that they were not generated anymore |
| 14:58.28 | Chestal | but in practice it is just an annoyance |
| 14:58.49 | learner | I've yet to hear a player say "Oh goodie -- look, my e-mail is on display" |
| 14:59.33 | learner | Who's idea was it to do that? |
| 14:59.35 | Chestal | some people who did not know about -anonymous and the like did not upgrade to 1.7g2 for that reason |
| 14:59.45 | Chestal | well, it has always been in there |
| 14:59.51 | Chestal | backin the old days it was probably useful |
| 15:00.02 | Chestal | somewhere along the way it got deactivated because of a bug |
| 15:00.06 | Chestal | that bug got fixed, so... |
| 15:00.12 | learner | ah.. |
| 15:00.56 | learner | it's good info to have and perhaps provide, but it's not necessarily even an e-mail though |
| 15:01.17 | learner | it just tells you a host and username |
| 15:02.09 | learner | I've seen other games that will provide that kind of "whois" information on other players when requested for via some menu |
| 15:02.38 | learner | the users can, of course, opt to not provide some of the detail |
| 15:05.48 | Chestal | 10 years ago user@hsot usually worked as an email address |
| 15:06.55 | Chestal | in case we want to keep the email field and not replace it by a team/clan info (Tim seems to liek the email), we should maybe get rid of the automatic generation (and of -anon) then |
| 15:08.29 | learner | oh, I wouldn't get rid of the field. i just wouldn't display it on the player hud |
| 15:08.42 | learner | that should be "clan/team" on the hud |
| 15:13.40 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 15:15.20 | KTL_ | jaiks that exponential stuff is getting worse, it would be better if the bot made a list of relevant bullets, before checking them all again and again |
| 15:18.26 | Chestal | KTL: do you have a 1.9.3 version now? |
| 15:19.10 | tea|tree_ | hi all :) |
| 15:20.12 | KTL_ | yes, but the bot is still in the days older |
| 15:20.23 | KTL_ | but i can log in a 1903 with the bot |
| 15:20.29 | KTL_ | changed the version number |
| 15:20.37 | KTL_ | cheated:-) |
| 15:21.11 | Chestal | ah, ok, good enough for now |
| 15:21.19 | KTL_ | for some days yes:-) |
| 15:21.37 | Chestal | but I reealyl think it should be easy to mergeit with CVS |
| 15:22.01 | Chestal | it would be even easier, if you had always used CVS :-) |
| 15:23.04 | KTL_ | normally problems get solved when there is no way around, 'll fix it when it get's necessary enough |
| 15:23.41 | KTL_ | euhm, bringing the bot to the cvs on my hd |
| 15:23.54 | KTL_ | and then i should be able to upgrade it... |
| 15:23.56 | Chestal | so, can I see it in action? Or do you want to work onit more? |
| 15:24.37 | KTL_ | ok.. but he is using an extra algo now, extreme cpu-usage:-), i 'll go with it to brlcad |
| 15:30.51 | Chestal | server crashed? |
| 15:31.01 | learner | woah.. yea |
| 15:31.09 | KTL_ | :-) |
| 15:31.10 | learner | I got kicked for teamkilling |
| 15:31.16 | learner | then there was an abort trap |
| 15:31.20 | KTL_ | that was better then yesterday |
| 15:31.24 | Chestal | who was the rabbit? |
| 15:31.34 | learner | you were, I think |
| 15:31.45 | KTL_ | the bot was escaping backwards too |
| 15:31.45 | bryjen | yes, it was you Ches |
| 15:31.58 | learner | the kick was probably right, but crash was obviously not :) |
| 15:32.25 | learner | need to players to join to test that again, if you wouldn't mind |
| 15:32.35 | KTL_ | jippie |
| 15:32.40 | Chestal | what was the proto change from 1.9.2 to 1.9.3? |
| 15:34.26 | Chestal | KTL: can you join ducati? |
| 15:37.04 | SGI | I can if you are intrested |
| 15:38.13 | Chestal | thanks, bu no thanks :-) |
| 15:38.24 | KTL_ | crash again? |
| 15:38.31 | KTL_ | i go to ducati |
| 15:38.33 | learner | yep, everyone went nr |
| 15:38.43 | learner | then it crashed |
| 15:39.06 | bryjen | learner: i saw you and ches as nr. ktl wasn't, but he may have been dead at the time |
| 15:39.11 | KTL_ | can't connect, timeout |
| 15:39.54 | Chestal | wondering if BAMBOT is the cause, he might speak an older protocol |
| 15:39.58 | Chestal | not that it should happen anyway |
| 15:44.38 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (~MAC@balt-209-163-100-78.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 15:45.01 | Tupone | MrApathyCream: thanx for having changed cc with cxx |
| 15:47.33 | MrApathyCream | noprob |
| 15:49.53 | bzgirl | what is bzflag 1.7g0b xl? |
| 15:50.05 | bzgirl | from a client query |
| 15:56.28 | Tupone | bzgirl: I see some info about an XL version from a site. Can be that? |
| 15:56.37 | bzgirl | http://www.bzflaghelp.tk/ |
| 15:56.46 | bzgirl | Tupone: the site is down though |
| 15:56.52 | bzgirl | he said he got it here |
| 15:57.38 | bzgirl | he said its a client with a modified view, it has 2 extra views |
| 15:57.57 | bzgirl | triggered by the c key or something |
| 15:59.08 | tea|tree_ | ^^ |
| 15:59.13 | tea|tree_ | hello :D |
| 16:01.14 | bzgirl | hi tea|tree_ |
| 16:07.59 | *** join/#bzflag Bagheera (~Bagheera@pool-162-84-20-52.sal.east.verizon.net) |
| 16:12.35 | bryjen | BAGHEERA! |
| 16:13.37 | Bagheera | BRYJEN! |
| 16:14.01 | bryjen | bzgirl |
| 16:14.03 | bryjen | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/BZFlag_20XL |
| 16:14.05 | bryjen | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ScooterIsHere |
| 16:14.52 | bryjen | hehe |
| 16:16.11 | bryjen | ~seen Bagheera |
| 16:16.11 | | bagheera is currently on #bzflag (8m 12s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2m 34s |
| 16:16.19 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.25 | bryjen | smaller numbers |
| 16:16.46 | tea|tree_ | uh |
| 16:16.56 | learner | is there a way to feed bzfs -set blah=value on the command line? |
| 16:16.59 | learner | should be :) |
| 16:17.48 | bryjen | "-vars: file to read for worlds configuration variables" ? |
| 16:18.31 | bryjen | from bzfs -help |
| 16:19.04 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se) |
| 16:19.51 | learner | Hey bags! |
| 16:19.56 | learner | lol |
| 16:20.04 | bryjen | eep. do not mix live power lines and standing in water! |
| 16:20.11 | learner | got a little water down in your neighborhood eh? :) |
| 16:20.28 | Bagheera | lot houses on the water are totally flooded.... |
| 16:20.34 | learner | bryjen: no problem for him -- he's probably been without power for a while :) |
| 16:20.46 | learner | How long did you lose power? |
| 16:20.57 | Bagheera | just got it back a few hours ago |
| 16:21.02 | learner | LOL!!! |
| 16:21.16 | learner | Erm.. Sorry to hear that.. |
| 16:21.18 | learner | :) |
| 16:21.42 | Bagheera | eh, i am better off than a lot of people around here......really depressing walking around |
| 16:21.55 | learner | It fluctuated here, but never lost it for more than a second or two |
| 16:22.10 | learner | you must be really close to the bay |
| 16:22.12 | Tupone | larsl: I have some problem generating bzadmin. I used to generate on a separate directory! |
| 16:22.27 | larsl | Tupone: What problem? |
| 16:22.37 | Bagheera | we actually made it through the storm fine....but he next day a rogue sailboat hit the main lines for the island....blew lines everywhere |
| 16:22.37 | Tupone | on compiling ServerLink |
| 16:22.50 | Tupone | I think make distcheck does not work anymore |
| 16:23.07 | learner | that was fixed in latest cvs.. are you running from cvs? |
| 16:23.12 | larsl | Hm, must be Tim's changes a few days ago. |
| 16:23.39 | Tupone | this morning I try. then --disable-bzadmin |
| 16:23.47 | learner | That was how it was for me from a couple days ago, before Tim's changes.. hrm |
| 16:24.56 | Tupone | on the Makefile there is a cp -a ../bzflag/ServerLink.cxx . |
| 16:25.15 | Tupone | this work only if building on src directory |
| 16:25.25 | Tupone | and then I need all the include file |
| 16:25.42 | larsl | Hm, I thought I fixed that. |
| 16:27.13 | larsl | I think I know how to refix it. |
| 16:27.37 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@adsl-66-72-30-97.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 16:28.07 | learner | where did setVar() move to? |
| 16:29.32 | learner | okay, I'm half confused.. the client must be processing "/set" where as "/set blah.." gets sent to the server |
| 16:30.40 | bryjen | ask MAC or the captain/cow |
| 16:30.57 | learner | it is.. i just found it in playing.cxx |
| 16:32.19 | learner | purple_cow: can you explain what's going on? |
| 16:32.36 | learner | or anyone else for that matter |
| 16:34.18 | bryjen | ~seen MrApathyCream |
| 16:34.19 | | mrapathycream is currently on #bzflag (49m 41s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 46m 46s |
| 16:35.42 | learner | Bagheera: woah.. |
| 16:36.15 | learner | So how'd that put water in your place? |
| 16:44.11 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (Makefile.am): Need the @top_srcdir@ prefix when handling source files directly |
| 16:44.22 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 16:44.27 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-194.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 16:44.31 | larsl | 'make distcheck' should work now. |
| 16:44.31 | SGI | arr |
| 16:44.51 | learner | lol.. arr |
| 16:45.58 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 16:49.45 | Tupone | bzadmin.cxx:20:20: curses.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:50.22 | Tupone | lars:? |
| 16:52.56 | larsl | Tupone: Weird. Did it build earlier? |
| 16:53.19 | Tupone | larsl: here I have not ncurses |
| 16:53.38 | Tupone | and yes, never built that |
| 16:53.45 | larsl | Do you have any curses? |
| 16:53.46 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-105-41.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 16:53.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 16:53.56 | Tupone | configure recognize that I have no ncurses |
| 16:54.14 | larsl | Oh, sorry. |
| 16:54.18 | larsl | That #include shouldn't be there. |
| 16:54.47 | Tupone | Just to fix that, I can load ncurses then |
| 16:54.48 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (bzadmin.cxx): Don't use curses if we don't have curses |
| 16:55.58 | Tupone | K |
| 16:56.49 | larsl | It's only needed in CursesUI.cxx, and that file won't be compiled if configure doesn't find curses. |
| 17:02.24 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@adsl-66-72-30-97.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 17:02.34 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (CursesUI.cxx): Register more commands for tab completion in bzadmin |
| 17:03.41 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (CursesUI.cxx): '/' is not a command |
| 17:05.20 | JBDiGriz | So they're both commands ;^) |
| 17:12.58 | larsl | Patlabor221: There is a server bug in the RPM I gave you, do you want a fresher one? |
| 17:13.40 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 17:14.00 | larsl | DCCing... |
| 17:14.42 | Patlabor221 | hope it works |
| 17:15.32 | larsl | You're not accepting it. |
| 17:15.43 | larsl | I can put it on the web instead. |
| 17:15.44 | Patlabor221 | I'm not seeing anything to accept |
| 17:15.48 | Patlabor221 | that's fine |
| 17:15.53 | Bagheera | http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6qwpy/generalphotoalbum/ |
| 17:15.54 | Patlabor221 | I'm behind a firewall |
| 17:15.56 | Patlabor221 | maybe that's why |
| 17:15.58 | Bagheera | before high tide |
| 17:16.24 | JBDiGriz | Glad to have you back |
| 17:16.52 | Bagheera | thnx....feet wetter than normal..... |
| 17:17.05 | larsl | http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/bzflag/bzflag-1.9.3.20030920-0.i386.rpm |
| 17:17.31 | learner | wow, Bags :) |
| 17:17.31 | JBDiGriz | When will your water be fit to drink again? |
| 17:17.50 | larsl | Ah, darn it. That RPM might be buggy too. |
| 17:18.12 | larsl | The RPM cron job failed last night because CVS wouldn't build, generating a new one. |
| 17:18.13 | Bagheera | not sure, but the sewers here go to a central point , then get pumped....and they cant keep up |
| 17:18.28 | Bagheera | there is an odor on this island |
| 17:18.30 | Patlabor221 | well lest just plan on making a full kit for a 1.9.4 tomorow |
| 17:18.43 | larsl | OK, that sounds good. |
| 17:18.49 | Patlabor221 | gives some time for some bugs to get found/fixed |
| 17:19.26 | Patlabor221 | if you want to, go ahead and post the bugs you know about in that thread, and say we are working on them for the next testing build. |
| 17:20.31 | larsl | I posted a reply to Defman's thread in the Servers forum. |
| 17:25.34 | JBDiGriz | Somehow Hurricane Marty just doesn't sound very threatening. |
| 17:27.35 | learner | larsl, any reason why the CursesUI comp.registerWord entries for vote and veto are different? |
| 17:27.44 | Patlabor221 | how bout huricane Jethro |
| 17:27.58 | learner | Hurricane Bubba |
| 17:28.16 | Patlabor221 | one would think that that one would be rather slow |
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| 17:29.03 | JBDiGriz | Those don't sound too bad either, but Marty is heading up the Gulf of California at us. It won't do very much damage up here, but don't head down to Cabo right now. |
| 17:30.12 | Patlabor221 | will it rain here? |
| 17:30.23 | Patlabor221 | PUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEE! |
| 17:30.45 | JBDiGriz | Tuesday and Wednesday are predicted to be rather wet around here. I'm not sure how much you'll get up north. |
| 17:31.15 | larsl | learner: Different? |
| 17:31.55 | larsl | They are different words... =) |
| 17:34.11 | larsl | Oh, they are not subcommands for /poll? |
| 17:34.33 | learner | some are, but there are also /veto and /vote commands |
| 17:34.50 | larsl | OK, didn't see those. |
| 17:37.20 | learner | presently only /poll kick|ban is valid, veto and poll subcommands aren't going to be implemented until the CommandManager is involved and there is some sort of veto and vote hook functions |
| 17:37.36 | larsl | Did you update CVS? |
| 17:37.47 | learner | always |
| 17:37.56 | larsl | Commit, I mean. |
| 17:38.12 | JBDiGriz | learner commits and then tests |
| 17:38.24 | learner | no, it wasn't clear that they are subcommands |
| 17:38.50 | larsl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.08 | larsl | I got a bit confused when cvs diff -u showed nothing, just after I had changed the file. |
| 17:39.45 | larsl | Of course, it could help if I committed from right working directory. =P |
| 17:40.16 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (CursesUI.cxx): vote and veto are commands |
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| 18:15.18 | larsl | ~xmission |
| 18:15.35 | larsl | firebird is capturing his own team flag (bringing it to purple base). |
| 18:19.34 | JBDiGriz | Pat, are you going to tag the tree for the 1.9.4 release so that the source base is the same for the distributions? |
| 18:20.19 | Patlabor221 | are we ready for that build? |
| 18:20.31 | Patlabor221 | sorry I was in the shower |
| 18:20.51 | JBDiGriz | You answered quickly, don't drip on the keyboard. |
| 18:21.18 | larsl | Did the Mac and Win and source packages also have the list server request bug? |
| 18:21.25 | larsl | For 1.9.3. |
| 18:21.35 | JBDiGriz | I'm not sure if we're ready for the build, but for 1.9.3 I just grabbed current, so the mac sources wouldn't have been the same as the win sources. |
| 18:21.48 | JBDiGriz | They had the list server bug. |
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| 18:22.20 | larsl | Tagging sounds like a good idea. |
| 18:22.35 | Patlabor221 | sadly I don't think I can tag |
| 18:22.50 | Patlabor221 | but yeah we should tag when we bump |
| 18:22.53 | JBDiGriz | I thought anyone could tag the tree. |
| 18:23.02 | Patlabor221 | I'll bump on monday right before the build |
| 18:23.08 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 18:23.10 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 18:23.13 | Patlabor221 | never done it |
| 18:23.18 | Patlabor221 | don't know how :) |
| 18:24.22 | learner | anyone can tag |
| 18:24.43 | Patlabor221 | then I would bump and tag right before the build |
| 18:25.18 | JBDiGriz | and let us know the tag used so we can grab the same sources for the build. |
| 18:25.42 | Patlabor221 | so why does everyone keep thinking the map format changed |
| 18:25.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:26.03 | Patlabor221 | well it should be like v10904 perhaps? |
| 18:26.10 | Patlabor221 | it's just a string right? |
| 18:26.22 | larsl | Did we change the protocol? |
| 18:26.30 | JBDiGriz | Yes, it's just a string. |
| 18:26.32 | Patlabor221 | not for this one I don't think |
| 18:26.36 | larsl | Oh, the tag. Never mind. |
| 18:26.46 | larsl | What do the other tags look like? |
| 18:27.25 | Patlabor221 | V_17g2 |
| 18:27.32 | Patlabor221 | and stuff like that |
| 18:27.45 | Patlabor221 | or sorry v1_7g2 |
| 18:27.49 | JBDiGriz | v1_7d_9, v20020226, |
| 18:27.50 | Patlabor221 | kinda ugly |
| 18:27.56 | larsl | v1_9_4 ? |
| 18:28.01 | Patlabor221 | I don't think we need the date |
| 18:28.04 | larsl | No dots allowed. |
| 18:28.11 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 18:28.59 | Patlabor221 | looks like to keep it simple we should just do v1_904 or v1_9_04 |
| 18:29.24 | Patlabor221 | for the final I'm sure it will be v1_10 |
| 18:29.43 | Patlabor221 | and the other sub releases didn't put a marker between 7 and g |
| 18:29.53 | Patlabor221 | so I say v1_904 |
| 18:30.07 | larsl | They didn't have dots between the 7 and g either. |
| 18:30.12 | larsl | In the real version. |
| 18:30.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:30.27 | Patlabor221 | well they did between 1 and 7 |
| 18:30.41 | Patlabor221 | can we use a . ? |
| 18:30.58 | Patlabor221 | somone try taging bzedit for windows and see what it does :) |
| 18:30.59 | larsl | I don't think so - I remember having some problems with that in another project. |
| 18:31.05 | learner | I'd say make it the version string with .->_ e.g. 1.9.3.20030921-ALPHA would be 1_9_3_20030921_ALPHA |
| 18:31.11 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.11 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.18 | KTL_ | what's rong with that day? |
| 18:31.19 | JBDiGriz | I was just pulling tags that exist out of the tree. v1_904 looks simple enough. I can't find any mention of the format of symbolic tags in the man pages, so I'm not sure about '.' |
| 18:31.25 | larsl | KTL_: What day? |
| 18:31.32 | Patlabor221 | we don't need the date, as the date will be in CVS as the date of the tag |
| 18:31.42 | Patlabor221 | the date is more for a sub build ID |
| 18:31.44 | KTL_ | well, the timekeeper of bzflag had these sentences |
| 18:31.51 | learner | "." in a cvs tag name is a no no |
| 18:31.54 | Patlabor221 | to tell the builds between revs |
| 18:32.09 | KTL_ | jan 1 1970 |
| 18:32.18 | larsl | KTL_: Seconds since the epoch is a common way to store dates on UNIX systems. |
| 18:32.31 | KTL_ | ~dist epoch |
| 18:32.36 | KTL_ | ~dict epoch |
| 18:32.37 | Patlabor221 | and you can get the alpha/beta/whatever state by looking at the version.h at the time of the tag |
| 18:32.45 | Patlabor221 | so I don't think that needs to go in there ether. |
| 18:32.50 | Patlabor221 | to keep it simple |
| 18:32.53 | JBDiGriz | Nobody uses period in a cvs tag name, but I can't find mention of it in the man page. |
| 18:33.43 | learner | pat: true, but we could name it knightmare_is_a_weenie and still get all the information we need too, the point of having all that is that you don't have to requery or search files for that data |
| 18:34.06 | Patlabor221 | I agree |
| 18:34.13 | Patlabor221 | but there should be a ballance |
| 18:34.26 | Patlabor221 | so we will call it knightmare_is_a_weenie |
| 18:34.31 | Patlabor221 | so it is writen |
| 18:34.35 | learner | arrr |
| 18:34.36 | learner | :) |
| 18:34.41 | Patlabor221 | or maybe that's the tagline for 1.10 :) |
| 18:35.25 | Patlabor221 | how bout v1_904-alpha |
| 18:35.32 | Patlabor221 | the date is just really long |
| 18:35.47 | Patlabor221 | and the least important part of it really |
| 18:35.48 | bryjen | i still like the idea of making the flags rainbow colored to mess with the homophobes ;) |
| 18:36.11 | Patlabor221 | gonna have a BZFlag pride parade? |
| 18:36.33 | bryjen | we could do that to open the conference in Vegas |
| 18:37.32 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 18:37.34 | learner | v1_9_4_alpha |
| 18:37.41 | Patlabor221 | tanks are people too |
| 18:37.51 | Patlabor221 | so it is writen so it shall be DONE! |
| 18:38.30 | Patlabor221 | ahhh I love the smell of comunity action in the midday that is really my morning |
| 18:38.38 | larsl | Any bugs that are particularly important to fix before that? |
| 18:38.50 | larsl | ~spell particularly |
| 18:38.50 | | 'particularly' may be spelled correctly |
| 18:39.32 | learner | it's still morning for me, and I'm 3 hours behind you |
| 18:39.39 | Patlabor221 | those warnings and stuff for the word filters get fixed |
| 18:39.58 | Patlabor221 | I was up till 3 am reading the big book of stargateness |
| 18:40.04 | bryjen | the build date wasn't too helpful the other days when me and (mostly) larsl were tracking down the list server bug |
| 18:40.38 | learner | yes.. bugs.. yes.. voting system has a bug(s) or two that I conveniently added a day or two ago |
| 18:40.52 | larsl | Any bugs that should be added before 1.9.4? =) |
| 18:41.20 | bryjen | i believe that's learner's deptartment ;) |
| 18:41.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah the date is the least usefull of the info, thats why I think it shold only go into the version displayed in the app. now that there will be a version -> CVS tag as a refrence tht will help a loot I think |
| 18:41.24 | JBDiGriz | Definitely, we can't have a game without bugs ;^) |
| 18:41.42 | Patlabor221 | just make it a 5 shot by default |
| 18:41.55 | larsl | I can only do that on my servers. =) |
| 18:41.59 | Patlabor221 | then play a wav that says "get a life ya camper" |
| 18:42.07 | Patlabor221 | when it runs out |
| 18:42.19 | larsl | Oh, by default. |
| 18:43.44 | JBDiGriz | camping isn't like that on the top of buildings ;^) |
| 18:44.22 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Added jump check bug |
| 18:45.11 | Patlabor221 | so when is jupiter gonna splode to be a star? I thought that was suposed to be today? |
| 18:45.29 | bryjen | wha? |
| 18:45.34 | larsl | That should be almost now. |
| 18:46.11 | JBDiGriz | Galileo is going down in flames on Jupiter. It should be soon. |
| 18:46.19 | larsl | Already done, it looks like. |
| 18:46.21 | larsl | http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/countdown/ |
| 18:46.27 | KTL_ | the BAMBOT has a vector of relevant bullets now, doesn't have to check them all anymore, AND he knows it when bullets 'll die before they reach him |
| 18:46.30 | larsl | Or their clock is broken. |
| 18:46.45 | bryjen | heh. isnt jupiter one of cap's nicks? |
| 18:47.32 | Patlabor221 | it's his machine name |
| 18:48.10 | bryjen | on the bzflag.org page. news entries by timriker and jupiter |
| 18:48.25 | JBDiGriz | The clock is showing just over 8 minutes |
| 18:48.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah his hostname |
| 18:48.50 | larsl | Working now - it says 5 hours for me. |
| 18:48.58 | larsl | Must be wrong. |
| 18:49.08 | Patlabor221 | says 0 for me |
| 18:49.22 | JBDiGriz | The scheduled time is 18:57 UTC which is in about 8 minutes |
| 18:49.45 | larsl | Too bad they don't have a webcam on it. =) |
| 18:50.20 | JBDiGriz | They're still setting up that webcam on IO. ;^) |
| 18:50.20 | bryjen | with a 52 minute transmittion lag. |
| 18:50.21 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 18:50.45 | bryjen | no interplanetary bzflag for sure. ;) |
| 18:50.46 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): added bug that must be fixed before release |
| 18:51.35 | JBDiGriz | learner, did you add it to BUGS as well? I noticed the burrow under pyramid bug wasn't listed. |
| 18:51.57 | JBDiGriz | 5 more minutes until squish. |
| 18:52.17 | larsl | That clock still says ~6 hours for me. |
| 18:52.36 | JBDiGriz | It might not like the difference in timezones. |
| 18:52.48 | learner | yes, it's in bugs already.. that's the list for must-fix-bugs |
| 18:55.09 | JBDiGriz | 2 minutes 'til squish. I'm watching the animation of it's viewpoint as it heads into the planet. |
| 18:56.29 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (TODO): Added more bugs |
| 18:56.41 | JBDiGriz | 20 seconds ..... |
| 18:56.42 | Patlabor221 | well we won't know what will happen for 52 min |
| 18:57.01 | JBDiGriz | SQUISH........ |
| 18:57.44 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 18:58.21 | larsl | That was fun. Let's try it with the Mars probes too. =) |
| 18:59.02 | Patlabor221 | they don't squish |
| 18:59.06 | Patlabor221 | they go "thud" |
| 18:59.52 | Patlabor221 | jbd, learner and, larsl pick a number between 1 and 10 |
| 19:00.01 | JBDiGriz | On solid planets they go thud. Jupiter is a gas giant. |
| 19:00.14 | Patlabor221 | thats why on mars they go thud |
| 19:00.16 | bryjen | jupiter's a gas ball. no solid surface to hit. it'd just descend in until the increasing pressure crushed it. |
| 19:00.29 | JBDiGriz | In other words, squish. |
| 19:00.41 | Patlabor221 | mars = thud |
| 19:00.42 | larsl | Eventually it would hit the giant diamond core. =) |
| 19:00.43 | larsl | 4 |
| 19:01.02 | bryjen | unless the friction set it afire. boom! |
| 19:01.03 | Patlabor221 | jbd pick a number |
| 19:01.22 | Patlabor221 | or the nuke plant went crit in the presure |
| 19:01.32 | JBDiGriz | 7 |
| 19:01.38 | Patlabor221 | wow you win |
| 19:01.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBDiGriz] by Patlabor221 |
| 19:02.01 | Patlabor221 | in case our lame ass friend trys to come back, I"ll be gone for a while. |
| 19:02.52 | JBDiGriz | It's easier to pick up the extra-sensory vibes if you're closer in location. They don't travel well over IP packets. |
| 19:03.01 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): added another creepy crawler for getting kicked without warrant |
| 19:03.09 | Patlabor221 | cus it's lunch, car, then underworld at 7:20 |
| 19:03.23 | Patlabor221 | time to go get dirty :( |
| 19:03.27 | Patlabor221 | have fun everyone |
| 19:06.55 | bryjen | ibot needs a whosawake command that lists nicks that have spoken in the last xx minutes |
| 19:06.56 | | bryjen: You are moron #4 |
| 19:07.06 | bryjen | well then |
| 19:07.13 | learner | LoL!!!!!!! |
| 19:07.30 | learner | her timing is often amazing :) |
| 19:16.36 | JBDiGriz | ~morons |
| 19:17.05 | JBDiGriz | She doesn't remember these things very well. ;^) |
| 19:17.55 | bryjen | ~moron #1 |
| 19:17.59 | | It's you, hoda. |
| 19:18.20 | bryjen | uh, shhhure... |
| 19:18.39 | JBDiGriz | She really has an attitude where you're concerned. ;^) |
| 19:19.03 | bryjen | ~moron |
| 19:19.03 | | moron is, like, somone that types long lines starting with ibot ... |
| 19:19.05 | learner | ~botsmack |
| 19:19.06 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 19:19.34 | bryjen | singular |
| 19:21.06 | JBDiGriz | 30 more minutes until we get the final data. |
| 19:23.25 | larsl | Who is "our lame ass friend"? |
| 19:26.09 | bryjen | hey, i think roger "finds" tanks with ST even if they're not in the field of view |
| 19:30.17 | larsl | I get error when running configure in bzedit. |
| 19:30.19 | larsl | s |
| 19:30.30 | larsl | sed: can't read ./intl/po2tbl.sed.in: No such file or directory |
| 19:30.37 | larsl | ./configure: line 3539: ./po/POTFILES.in: No such file or directory |
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| 19:57.08 | Chestal | di dwe collect this week's invisibles? I now that soem of you guys had figured out quite a few |
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| 19:57.47 | Chestal | hi bzg |
| 19:57.57 | bzgirl | hi |
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| 20:15.16 | Spiff | Hi all. |
| 20:17.06 | Noodleman | m00f |
| 20:17.24 | Spiff | Hiyaz Noodleman. :-) |
| 20:17.28 | Spiff | How's Evansville? |
| 20:17.38 | Noodleman | i like it |
| 20:18.11 | Spiff | Good stuff. :-) Have you been up to Indy yet? |
| 20:18.13 | Noodleman | people are always playing (c)rap music and r&b in my neighborhood, tho |
| 20:18.23 | Noodleman | gets annoying |
| 20:18.39 | Noodleman | nope, haven't been out of evansville yet |
| 20:18.48 | Spiff | Ohhh.. what fun. Mobbin' there, eh? ;-) |
| 20:19.22 | Noodleman | sometimes i get tempted to blare my classical music out the window :-) |
| 20:19.33 | Spiff | Well... if ya like cities at all.. Indy r0x0rz. The Center Circle mall is awesome.. :-D |
| 20:19.49 | Spiff | Maybe you could start a new trend in music. ;-) |
| 20:19.59 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:20.23 | Spiff | Music of the 21st Century... that actually sounds good! Wow! |
| 20:20.33 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:21.02 | Spiff | Goodbye 'N Sync! Thank you, Lord! |
| 20:21.28 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:30.32 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzedit/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Hacked bzedit to build using GCC 3.2 and libstdc++5, copied missing data files boxicon.png -> aboxicon.png etc |
| 20:31.19 | captain_proton | larsl: that code is probably really really old |
| 20:31.25 | captain_proton | larsl: if you want, copy 2.1 into CVS |
| 20:31.29 | learner | wee cool |
| 20:31.33 | larsl | 2.1? |
| 20:31.41 | captain_proton | ibot: bzedit? |
| 20:31.42 | | hmm... bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 20:31.52 | larsl | OK. |
| 20:38.46 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzedit/ (31 files in 3 dirs): Committed changed files from bzedit 2.1 |
| 20:41.30 | purple_cow | neat |
| 20:41.41 | Chestal | has bzflag xl been discussed here? |
| 20:42.36 | larsl | captain_proton: Where is the macro AM_PATH_GTKGL_2_0 supposed to be? |
| 20:42.40 | larsl | Chestal: What is that? |
| 20:43.06 | Chestal | http://wi3k.com/bzflagxl/ |
| 20:43.22 | Chestal | I am wonderign whetehr it should be considered cheating or not |
| 20:43.25 | KTL_ | BAMBOT did turn less then maximal, changed it |
| 20:43.33 | bzgirl | its cam view is cheating |
| 20:44.05 | Chestal | hmm, seems to come from the guy who wrote the patches fro glag toggling? |
| 20:44.13 | bzgirl | you have a different view of the playing feild than anyone else |
| 20:44.14 | Chestal | btw., I still thnk that beign able to toggle flags in 3D view is wrong |
| 20:44.28 | Chestal | I guess we had this discussion before, but I am still right abou tit :-) |
| 20:45.13 | bzgirl | yes, your veiw out the window should reflect what is actually out there |
| 20:45.45 | Chestal | I think it was Tim who wanted to stay it in back then |
| 20:47.38 | KTL_ | djee, nobody has the same game, the connection differs, the os, the opengl, the graphicscard, these things are more important than flag toggling, or even "a bot" |
| 20:47.51 | KTL_ | i know people who find that a bot is a priori cheating |
| 20:48.25 | larsl | KTL_: Maybe not cheating, but if you connect a bot to a server that doesn't allow it it's at least as bad. |
| 20:48.35 | KTL_ | ah:-) lol |
| 20:49.25 | Chestal | a bot is a bot is a bot |
| 20:49.31 | KTL_ | bwa, as long as the bot does what another player may do, i let him do |
| 20:49.49 | Chestal | it can only be cheating if you can enable it as easily as the current autopiot and nobody knows about it (and the bot isa actually betetr than you .-) |
| 20:50.07 | larsl | Bleh, I can |
| 20:50.13 | KTL_ | ah, that last thingie, they are never better:-) |
| 20:50.15 | larsl | 't build bzedit 2.1. |
| 20:50.19 | Chestal | KTL: especially your evasive meanuvers would be extreme cheatign if they are workign as they are now |
| 20:50.20 | KTL_ | only in specific maps |
| 20:50.23 | larsl | configure.in:27: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTKGL_2_0 |
| 20:50.36 | Chestal | KTL: it would be ok for a bot, but it wouldn#t be ok to help a player |
| 20:50.57 | KTL_ | helping? where does that come from?:-) |
| 20:51.13 | Chestal | I mean as a kind of auto-shot-evader |
| 20:52.19 | KTL_ | bots have very strong algoritms, but outside these algo'sthey are stupid, in fact they are very weak against intelligent players |
| 20:52.40 | bzgirl | is the changelog for g3 anywhere on sf? |
| 20:52.48 | Chestal | yes, one more reason to disallow a combination of both |
| 20:53.32 | Chestal | g3 does not really exist |
| 20:53.50 | bzgirl | yes it does |
| 20:53.54 | Chestal | there is a g3 in cVS nonetheless |
| 20:53.55 | bzgirl | many players use it |
| 20:54.02 | Chestal | but it probab only has 1 bugfix in relation to g2 |
| 20:54.13 | larsl | bzgirl: You could use cvs2cl to get a ChangeLog from the CVS server. |
| 20:54.20 | Chestal | so, you coudl use the sf cvs browser, set the tag to 1.7 |
| 20:55.07 | Chestal | bzgirl: when you get the sources from CVS and specify -r v1_7, you'll get 1.7g3 |
| 20:55.38 | Chestal | bzgirl: but AFAIK thre really isn#t a differnce to 1.7g2. I think patlabor fixed a bug in the server a week ago, but that's the only difference I know |
| 20:55.43 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzedit/ (58 files in 2 dirs): Adding more files |
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| 21:06.04 | Chestal | time is running out, somebody pleae tell me all the solutions for invisibles, I am too dumb to figure them out this week |
| 21:06.30 | JBDiGriz | I have 4 6 7 10 11 12 14, what do you need? |
| 21:06.59 | Chestal | I only got 12 |
| 21:07.20 | JBDiGriz | You need someone to come up with the other 7 |
| 21:07.48 | Chestal | we should collect for the honor of the channel :-) |
| 21:08.12 | learner | lol, Chestal |
| 21:08.30 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzedit/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move m4 macro from aclocal.m4 to acinclude.m4 |
| 21:08.47 | Chestal | I always enter them as 'bzflag', I fear we need at least 12 to make it into the list |
| 21:09.03 | bryjen | Chestal |
| 21:09.05 | bryjen | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/BZFlag_20XL |
| 21:09.06 | bryjen | is the same guy as |
| 21:09.08 | bryjen | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ScooterIsHere |
| 21:09.10 | bryjen | suuuuure its not a cheat client. |
| 21:10.21 | lupinator | 1 may be the life od david gale |
| 21:10.43 | lupinator | eh no |
| 21:11.13 | JBDiGriz | That's it, you can check by entering in the names and seeing what your score is. |
| 21:11.34 | Chestal | yep, it's right |
| 21:11.37 | Chestal | haven't seen it |
| 21:11.42 | Chestal | Roger gave it 0 stars :-) |
| 21:11.44 | JBDiGriz | Nor have I |
| 21:11.59 | learner | Oh, wow, just got 9 |
| 21:12.09 | Chestal | I feel that I should know 4 and 14 |
| 21:12.12 | learner | But I don't remember that scene |
| 21:12.13 | lupinator | i like it |
| 21:12.17 | Chestal | for all of the others I really have no idea |
| 21:12.57 | JBDiGriz | 4 is not as old as it looks, and 14 is definitely an American movie |
| 21:13.08 | Chestal | 4 looks to sharp to be old |
| 21:13.10 | bryjen | ~invisibles |
| 21:13.11 | | it has been said that invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 21:14.14 | Chestal | but I can remember only 2 wel-known b&w movies that are less than 10 years old and they both don't match |
| 21:14.17 | JBDiGriz | Care to give me a clue for 9? |
| 21:14.25 | learner | californians should get #9 |
| 21:14.34 | lupinator | sharp? in that size? |
| 21:14.46 | learner | especially those who have had power trouble |
| 21:14.51 | Chestal | lupi: yes, I know, but still |
| 21:15.00 | Chestal | lupi: older b&w on invisibles look different |
| 21:15.05 | bzgirl | what is #13? |
| 21:15.14 | bzgirl | it looks like a good movie :) |
| 21:15.35 | lupinator | i admit the scene looks like a new film |
| 21:15.37 | JBDiGriz | #4 was 1973 |
| 21:16.52 | JBDiGriz | Nice clue on 9, but that wasn't really power problems, it was health problems due to a power company. |
| 21:17.01 | learner | :) |
| 21:17.07 | learner | I knew you'd get it with that, though :) |
| 21:17.08 | lupinator | i think 9 is julia roberts |
| 21:17.21 | Chestal | ah, ok |
| 21:17.25 | Chestal | that strange name |
| 21:17.29 | Chestal | have't seen it, though |
| 21:17.33 | JBDiGriz | Erin Brockovitch |
| 21:17.48 | lupinator | can'r remember the name, but the face looks familiar |
| 21:17.59 | bryjen | 13 is wierd science |
| 21:18.06 | Chestal | again? |
| 21:18.14 | learner | looks like they put a lot of different spellings in for her last name .. three or four variations work |
| 21:18.40 | learner | It's actually spelled Erin Brockovich according to imdb |
| 21:18.46 | Chestal | again the insivibles seem to consist of movie I have never seen |
| 21:19.13 | JBDiGriz | I guess I'll have to actually watch "Weird Science" if I'm going to participate in this. |
| 21:19.31 | JBDiGriz | I'm missing 2 3 5 8 |
| 21:19.50 | JBDiGriz | Learner gave me 10 and 11 the other day |
| 21:20.17 | learner | you got 1 ? |
| 21:20.24 | Chestal | I am toolazy to search an dtry all possible b&w movies from 1973 for #4 :-) |
| 21:20.28 | JBDiGriz | lupinator just got 1 |
| 21:20.37 | JBDiGriz | Paper Moon |
| 21:20.47 | learner | harumph |
| 21:21.02 | Chestal | paper moon? eh? |
| 21:21.36 | larsl | Yay, bzedit builds! =) |
| 21:21.46 | Chestal | never heard of it. I thnk it's virtually unknown outside of the US |
| 21:21.48 | JBDiGriz | under linux? |
| 21:21.58 | larsl | Yes. |
| 21:22.05 | learner | still requires gtk.. :/ |
| 21:22.10 | larsl | It's captain_proton's 2.1 version, worked out of the box. |
| 21:22.19 | JBDiGriz | It was quite well known when it came out. Ryan O'Neal and his daughter Tatum. |
| 21:22.20 | larsl | I just needed some configure parameters. |
| 21:22.36 | Chestal | is 6 a silly movie? |
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| 21:22.58 | JBDiGriz | Somewhat silly, but with a definite moral. It's a good comedy. |
| 21:23.01 | learner | reminds me of adam sandler.. |
| 21:23.24 | Chestal | I don't watch comedies :-) |
| 21:23.35 | JBDiGriz | You should see this one. |
| 21:26.04 | learner | is that a bicycle in 2? |
| 21:26.23 | JBDiGriz | I think it's a moped |
| 21:26.43 | JBDiGriz | I tried Wargames and Ferris Bueller, but it's neither of those |
| 21:27.01 | lupinator | i doubt anyone could drive a bicycle like that |
| 21:27.47 | captain_proton | aha, 6 is easy |
| 21:27.51 | learner | it looks like the red sweater person is much taller than the other.. |
| 21:28.58 | JBDiGriz | 6 is a scene from the early part of the movie, so it doesn't seem like it's part of the rest of the movie |
| 21:29.08 | lupinator | what's that background in 2? |
| 21:29.36 | Chestal | 1still no idea on 6 at all, probybly haven't seen it either |
| 21:29.53 | JBDiGriz | City Slickers |
| 21:30.06 | Chestal | at least I know the title |
| 21:31.42 | learner | so, we're missing 2, 3, 5, 8 |
| 21:31.48 | JBDiGriz | Yep |
| 21:32.10 | learner | what was 4? |
| 21:32.11 | Chestal | I'm also missing 7, 11, 14 |
| 21:32.24 | JBDiGriz | 4 is Paper Moon |
| 21:32.28 | Chestal | and 10 |
| 21:32.35 | Chestal | of those, 7 looks familiar |
| 21:32.45 | learner | 10 is a classic us film |
| 21:32.48 | learner | 14 is a comedy |
| 21:33.06 | learner | two famous black comedians.. |
| 21:33.14 | JBDiGriz | 7 is an annoying comedy, I would be surprised if you saw it. |
| 21:35.04 | Chestal | hmm. Two black comedians in one movie? I didn't even know there are as much as 2 of them :-) |
| 21:35.22 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzedit/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Remove files that are generated bu configure |
| 21:35.26 | learner | think of probably the most famous, and that's probably him |
| 21:35.40 | JBDiGriz | Bill Cosby, nope that's not him. |
| 21:35.48 | learner | ah, true, true.. |
| 21:36.09 | learner | second most famous then :) |
| 21:36.24 | Chestal | I thought of Eddie Murphy |
| 21:36.29 | JBDiGriz | Whoopi Goldberg, but then again you said him, so that one doesn't work either |
| 21:36.33 | learner | you thought correct |
| 21:36.39 | learner | the other is arsenio hall |
| 21:36.51 | Chestal | never heard of him |
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| 21:37.18 | learner | used to have a major network talk show, like the Tonight Show |
| 21:38.19 | learner | you'd say whoopi is more famous than eddie? hrm.. |
| 21:38.50 | Chestal | ok, got it now, another ovie which I have never seen (and do not intend to see) |
| 21:39.12 | learner | that one is actually pretty darn funny :) |
| 21:39.49 | learner | if you like eddie murphy humor, that is |
| 21:40.03 | Chestal | so, 10 is a good movie? hmm |
| 21:40.53 | JBDiGriz | It's an interesting movie, and one of the ones I've seen. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it as a must see. |
| 21:41.16 | learner | I've only seen pieces of 10, I was referring to 14 |
| 21:41.45 | Chestal | #3 does not look so hard |
| 21:41.58 | JBDiGriz | I saw pieces of 14, enough to convince me that it is typical Eddie Murphy. |
| 21:44.37 | Chestal | as I probably haven't seen #7, tell me please |
| 21:44.48 | JBDiGriz | Home Alone |
| 21:45.14 | Chestal | haven't seen it, but could have guesse dit maybe |
| 21:46.43 | learner | i take it that it's some sort of police or fire tape in 8 |
| 21:46.55 | learner | maybe reporters on the left |
| 21:47.58 | Chestal | well, I give up, must go to bed, cu |
| 21:48.14 | JBDiGriz | Are you missing any of the ones we have? |
| 21:48.19 | Chestal | yes |
| 21:48.24 | JBDiGriz | Which ones |
| 21:48.31 | Chestal | 10 and 11 |
| 21:48.38 | JBDiGriz | 10 Goodfellas |
| 21:48.44 | JBDiGriz | 11 Uncle Buck |
| 21:48.52 | Chestal | hmm, I had thought of Al Pacina all the time |
| 21:48.52 | JBDiGriz | Those are the ones learner came up with |
| 21:49.01 | Chestal | but I have actually not seen many of hs movies |
| 21:49.09 | Chestal | hmm, never heard of Uncle Buck |
| 21:49.14 | JBDiGriz | I don't think Pacino was in either of those movies |
| 21:49.36 | learner | too many comedies for you this time around chestal |
| 21:49.36 | Chestal | no, he isn't |
| 21:49.41 | Chestal | but the type of movie is right .-9 |
| 21:50.43 | Chestal | so, the other 4 are missing? |
| 21:51.01 | learner | yep |
| 21:57.29 | bryjen | silly robots. they keep tk'ing each other in rabbit hunt, then I get kicked along with them. |
| 22:01.51 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-255-34.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
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| 22:26.49 | MrApathyCream | bryjen, hehe |
| 22:26.51 | MrApathyCream | patches welcome |
| 22:27.37 | bryjen | it'd probly help if i didnt lead them around and get them all in a row. ;) |
| 22:28.53 | bryjen | i also noticed the "roger" autopilot seemed to be able to seek out an stealthed tank |
| 22:29.26 | MrApathyCream | yes, as do the robots |
| 22:29.48 | bryjen | ah. known bug then. |
| 22:29.49 | MrApathyCream | gotta love them cheatin' bastages |
| 22:29.55 | MrApathyCream | yeah |
| 22:30.24 | MrApathyCream | he also sees invisible bullets coming from behind him |
| 22:30.35 | Tupone | robot, they cannot grab stealth flag by themseves, so they are same power no? |
| 22:30.56 | MrApathyCream | yes, robots can not grab flags currently |
| 22:31.15 | MrApathyCream | but they can see others that have stealth |
| 22:31.15 | bryjen | but if _i_ have stealth, they shouldn't be able to chase me unless they can "see" me |
| 22:31.32 | MrApathyCream | bryjen, yes |
| 22:31.48 | MrApathyCream | i started some bot helper code, put in on sf as a patch that does that |
| 22:31.55 | MrApathyCream | but not currently in the code |
| 22:31.56 | Tupone | I know, but they have great disadvantage against roger or human, if we take in account stealth |
| 22:32.34 | bryjen | Tupone: yes, they are not too smart, but they should not cheat either ;) |
| 22:33.11 | Tupone | they cannot take gm, use SB, IB, .... You say .. they must die |
| 22:35.10 | larsl | ~xmission |
| 22:35.23 | bryjen | then they should be made smarter so they can grab and use flags :) |
| 22:36.32 | bryjen | but not do things human players are not allowed to do. like seeing cloaked or knowing where stealth tanks are hiding |
| 22:36.38 | Tupone | Server code has been modified, in the way they cannot take anything. |
| 22:36.39 | Patches | It's nice to feel welcome. ;^) |
| 22:36.47 | Tupone | patches welcome |
| 22:36.55 | Patches | Thanks ;^) |
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| 22:38.09 | Tupone | Roger is only one, Human is only one, bots are a lot, server does not handle them anymore |
| 22:38.44 | Tupone | unless we open a lot of socket, and multiply the bandwidth usage |
| 22:39.42 | larsl | ? |
| 22:40.55 | Tupone | I'm saying that to have full feature robot, as is the server now, we should have 1 client for bot |
| 22:41.32 | Tupone | IMHO |
| 22:42.49 | bryjen | one program that opens one connection to the server, but creates and controls several bots? |
| 22:43.54 | Tupone | now IIRC, is not possible. we should open more then 1 socket and the server will send everything, duplicated, at all |
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| 22:44.24 | Tupone | 2 bzgirl? |
| 22:45.00 | bzgirl | only one :) |
| 22:45.03 | bryjen | zombies |
| 22:45.21 | Tupone | the only, unique, bzgirl |
| 22:45.27 | bzgirl | :) |
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| 23:11.54 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 23:19.18 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (TextUtils.h): missing a range of punctuation |
| 23:37.49 | Patlabor221 | ohh my, it's seeems our homofobic friend is running a mail server at his house :) |
| 23:38.46 | Patlabor221 | and a linux server with open telnet |
| 23:41.39 | learner | how kind of him |
| 23:41.49 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:42.59 | learner | ugh.. my brain is frying on the aggressive filter |
| 23:44.20 | Noodleman | Patlabor221, who is that? |
| 23:44.37 | Patlabor221 | he goes by many names, but one is knightmare |
| 23:44.50 | learner | Señor culopayaso knightmare |
| 23:45.10 | Patlabor221 | he actualy sent me an e-mail |
| 23:45.12 | Noodleman | ~es en Señor culopayaso knightmare |
| 23:45.19 | Patlabor221 | saying that he musta realy pissed me off |
| 23:45.25 | Patlabor221 | that I find funny |
| 23:45.27 | Noodleman | ~translate es en Señor culopayaso knightmare |
| 23:45.36 | learner | lol |
| 23:46.05 | learner | eh, he thought you'd find it funny? |
| 23:46.20 | Patches | He finally decided to respond to your suggestions. ;^) |
| 23:46.24 | Patlabor221 | no I find it funny |
| 23:46.37 | learner | ah |
| 23:47.33 | learner | sounds like he's wanting some confirmation/validation that he's causing a disturbance |
| 23:47.45 | Patlabor221 | probaably |
| 23:47.50 | Patlabor221 | but it's like it's over |
| 23:47.54 | Patlabor221 | whoop de do |
| 23:48.04 | learner | yeah, whatever |
| 23:48.34 | Patches | It will be over when he gives up the game. I don't see that happening. |
| 23:48.39 | Patlabor221 | generaly when you "cause a disturbance" you don't make it so easy to know who it is, or so easy to stop you |
| 23:49.19 | Patlabor221 | I mean after that it's not like he can interact nomraly with people here any more |
| 23:50.04 | Patlabor221 | like burning the bridges only to find your on the wrong side, and alone |
| 23:50.22 | Patlabor221 | while the rest of us go off to the pub :) |
| 23:50.29 | learner | MMm... beer |
| 23:51.05 | Patlabor221 | learner you like 10,000 maniacs? |
| 23:53.01 | learner | depends on my mood |
| 23:53.28 | learner | i went and purchased groove armada after that reminder taste yesterday -- listening to that right now |
| 23:53.39 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 23:53.42 | Patlabor221 | yes they are good |
| 23:54.25 | Patlabor221 | I was able to procure the maniacs having a live recording, pre the leaving of ms. merchant |
| 23:54.27 | Patlabor221 | it's very good |
| 23:54.40 | Patlabor221 | if you are interested |
| 23:54.46 | learner | of course |
| 23:55.02 | Patlabor221 | it's from the very first "MTV unpluged" show |
| 23:55.11 | Patlabor221 | I wll post whent they are ripped |
| 23:55.22 | learner | coo |
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