irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030910

`00:23.55`	`*** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~mike@237.14.252.64.snet.net)`
`00:31.39`	`*** join/#bzflag Bagheera (~Bagheera@pool-162-84-20-33.sal.east.verizon.net)`
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`00:33.10`	`Bagheera`	`i tell ya, xmission really ticks me off sometimes.......uggg`
`00:33.19`	`Bagheera`	`~seen quol`
`00:33.20`		`quol <~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 19h 13m 1s ago, saying: 'g'night all..'.`
`00:35.46`	`Spiff`	`Why's that, bagheera?`
`00:35.51`	`*** join/#bzflag Merry (~gig1992@adsl-68-73-87-1.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)`
`00:36.03`	`Merry`	`Hello`
`00:36.14`	`Merry`	`....hi bzg....`
`00:36.25`	`Merry`	`I'm going to go on BZFlag bye!`
`00:36.41`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-172-197-55.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`00:36.41`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ`
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`00:37.41`	`Spiff`	`:-)`
`00:37.59`	`Bagheera`	`spawning, death, and lag`
`00:38.03`	`Bagheera`	`spiff`
`00:38.09`	`Spiff`	`Ahh yes Bagheera. :-(`
`00:38.28`	`Spiff`	`Not much of a lag kick there.. so the laggers flock to it. And people camp on your base to kill you on spawn.. etc.`
`00:38.30`	`NinjaSocks`	`?`
`00:38.45`	`Bagheera`	`yep`
`00:38.55`	`Spiff`	`That's why I haven't played there for months. :)`
`00:38.57`	`NinjaSocks`	`opps quad click`
`00:39.22`	`Spiff`	`That.. and I got annoyed by some of the foul mouthed, rude, etc. people that played there.`
`00:39.30`	`Bagheera`	`i just love 4-team ctf.......kills me when it doesnt play well`
`00:39.45`	`Spiff`	`Patlabor- The stuff you mentioned.. is it for Screamers? :-)`
`00:39.55`	`Patlabor221`	`it is what it is.`
`00:40.02`	`Patlabor221`	`and that's all that it is`
`00:40.19`	`Spiff`	`Oh goodie. Well.. what's it gonna be used for? :P`
`00:40.34`	`Patlabor221`	`stuff`
`00:40.52`	`Spiff`	`Bagheera- Maybe you should boycott them. :-)`
`00:41.07`	`Patlabor221`	`parts of it could be used in BZ`
`00:41.15`	`Spiff`	`What's it do?`
`00:41.19`	`fiberchunks`	`evening`
`00:41.21`	`Bagheera`	`i have been trying.....i want to see if i can get Eggs_v3 into quols test server`
`00:41.32`	`Patlabor221`	`difrent parts do difrent things`
`00:41.49`	`Spiff`	`Ahh cool. :)`
`00:41.58`	`Spiff`	`Man! I keep forgetting about my newest Canyon mod. LoL`
`00:42.19`	`Spiff`	`I've been meaning to finish it... whoops.`
`00:42.29`	`Patlabor221`	`the bigest thing BZ could use would be the net shared database class`
`00:42.50`	`Spiff`	`You sound like a teacher in a highschool Health class, Patlabor "different parts do different things"`
`00:42.52`	`Spiff`	`Pff. :-)`
`00:43.13`	`Spiff`	`Grooooovy. :-D`
`00:43.18`	`Patlabor221`	`or posibly the Command line parser`
`00:43.21`	`Patlabor221`	`tho they allready have one`
`00:43.58`	`Bagheera`	`evening fiber`
`00:44.19`	`Spiff`	`Dinner. I shall return momentarily... I'm not hungry. Ick. :-\|`
`00:44.34`	`Bagheera`	`nothing like a mircal whip and spicy pickle sandwich on toasted white bread....`
`00:44.37`	`Bagheera`	`ymmmmmmm`
`00:45.07`	`Spiff`	`I haven't been able to look at food since breakfast. Methinks I'm getting a bit of a cold or something.`
`00:45.49`	`Bagheera`	`nothing like a mircal whip and spicy pickle sandwich on toasted white bread....to help with a cold.. :)`
`00:48.10`	`Bagheera`	`what about that canyon map.....still waiting.....what is it, 2 months now....`
`00:48.25`	`Merry`	`LoL`
`00:48.35`	`Merry`	`HI guths`
`00:48.42`	`Merry`	`Ehem.,..guyths`
`00:48.45`	`Merry`	`*`
`00:48.53`	`Bagheera`	`hey merry`
`00:49.03`	`Merry`	`long time no see baggy`
`00:49.15`	`Bagheera`	`been incognito`
`00:49.38`	`Bagheera`	`~dict incognito`
`00:49.49`	`Bagheera`	`yep thats it`
`00:50.33`	`Merry`	`ibot, how do you do that kind of stuff?`
`00:50.34`		`Merry: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`00:50.58`	`Merry`	`explain what?`
`00:51.00`	`Merry`	`??`
`00:51.15`	`Merry`	`ratz, brb, filling up my cup`
`00:51.38`	`Merry`	`back`
`00:51.56`	`Bagheera`	`quick fill, hopefully not a quick spill`
`00:52.04`	`Merry`	`LoL`
`00:53.16`	`Merry`	`bags, why'd ya do, ~dict incognito?`
`00:53.25`	`Bagheera`	`hope you have those rubber sheets.....hmmm....or is that just me......oh well`
`00:53.35`	`Bagheera`	`checking spelling`
`00:53.43`	`Merry`	`lol, I won't wet my bed...`
`00:53.47`	`Merry`	`I'm older you know.`
`00:54.24`	`Bagheera`	`the older you are, the closer you are to wetting your bed.....`
`00:54.27`	`Merry`	`Drip, ON MY LEG COLLLLLD`
`00:55.06`	`Bagheera`	`need to get off this topic.....ill start clipping coupons again`
`00:55.06`	`Merry`	`NOT FAIR!!!LoL, I think it's the younger you are, the closer you are to wetting your bed....`
`00:55.14`	`Merry`	`LoL`
`00:55.23`	`Bagheera`	`than you are still young......`
`00:55.25`	`Merry`	`Not alot of people on to night`
`00:55.39`	`Patlabor221`	`you start weting your bed... you end weting your bed.`
`00:55.41`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a cycle`
`00:55.44`	`Bagheera`	`quiet... <cricket noises>`
`00:56.00`	`Merry`	`I'm going to duucati, to check something.....LoL`
`00:56.01`	`Merry`	`LoL`
`00:56.29`	`Merry`	`Ok, back`
`00:56.51`	`Merry`	`Do you guys have AIM?`
`00:57.11`	`Bagheera`	`no.....and better for it`
`00:57.38`	`Merry`	`huh???????:?`
`00:57.47`	`Merry`	`Yahoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????`
`00:57.51`	`Merry`	`MSN?`
`00:57.56`	`Merry`	`ICQ?`
`00:58.16`	`Bagheera`	`im's always crash my machine.....irc is the only one that seems to hold up....`
`00:58.19`	`Patlabor221`	`I use aim`
`00:58.24`	`Patlabor221`	`and yahoo`
`00:58.32`	`Merry`	`neeto`
`00:58.47`	`Merry`	`what's your scween name, if you want to tell`
`00:58.58`	`Patlabor221`	`why would I not want to tell`
`00:59.06`	`Patlabor221`	`it's all on my bzbb profile`
`00:59.09`	`Merry`	`just wonder'in`
`00:59.22`	`Bagheera`	`it was polite to ask though`
`00:59.34`	`Patlabor221`	`the curse of the admin is that you can not be anonymous :)`
`00:59.39`	`Patlabor221`	`http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48`
`00:59.39`	`Merry`	`Aim first`
`00:59.58`	`Merry`	`k`
`01:00.01`	`Merry`	`brb`
`01:01.25`	`Bagheera`	`hey pat, what is the status of screamers.....gathering dust in loo of bz improvements?`
`01:01.35`	`Bagheera`	`not being picky or anything, just curious`
`01:01.52`	`TempestuousJones`	`BZ has improvments?`
`01:02.03`	`TempestuousJones`	`it's being redone.`
`01:02.11`	`Bagheera`	`ok`
`01:02.24`	`TempestuousJones`	`http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/toys/ghetto/`
`01:02.42`	`TempestuousJones`	`I've been working on network and backend stuff`
`01:02.46`	`Merry`	`brb filling my cup up for the fourth time`
`01:02.58`	`TempestuousJones`	`do you really like to pee or something?`
`01:03.47`	`Merry`	`No, I haven't gone bathroom yet...`
`01:04.01`	`TempestuousJones`	`I see`
`01:04.15`	`Bagheera`	`more info than i needed`
`01:04.18`	`TempestuousJones`	`I will probably change the name too, screamers just don't do it for me anymore.`
`01:05.21`	`TempestuousJones`	`now I must find a gullable, um I mean intelegent dev to make sure it works on linux and the 'tosh`
`01:05.35`	`Spiff`	`Rectal Shizzlemah? Hmm... I don't like it.`
`01:05.45`	`TempestuousJones`	`ohh that's funny`
`01:05.48`	`Merry`	`hey spiff`
`01:06.11`	`Spiff`	`:-P Patlabor.`
`01:06.16`	`Merry`	`pat where are you?`
`01:06.16`	`Spiff`	`Hello, Merry.`
`01:06.19`	`Merry`	`on the thigny`
`01:06.22`	`Merry`	`nthingy`
`01:06.26`	`Merry`	`thingy grrrr`
`01:06.44`	`Bagheera`	`pat moves in mysterious ways.......i believe he is channeling Jones right now`
`01:06.57`	`Merry`	`lol`
`01:07.01`	`Merry`	`bye g2g`
`01:07.09`	`TempestuousJones`	`what thingy?`
`01:07.15`	`TempestuousJones`	`there is a thingy?`
`01:07.26`	`TempestuousJones`	`damn, missed the thingy`
`01:07.48`	`Bagheera`	`rectal wack....oy`
`01:07.55`	`Spiff`	`LoL`
`01:08.47`	`Bagheera`	`ok, have to go fit some crown molding all.....good night....`
`01:10.41`	`TempestuousJones`	`wow you guys got crap names`
`01:10.53`	`TempestuousJones`	`no ghetoo for you`
`01:11.40`	`Spiff`	`Funny, coming from a guy who doesn't like rap. ;-)`
`01:17.22`	`TempestuousJones`	`don't make me pop a cap in yo ass`
`01:17.27`	`TempestuousJones`	`cus he dosn't like when I do that.`
`01:21.00`	`Spiff`	`Pfff. I'm not gonna start talkin' ghetto.. I find it hard to stop when I do so. ;-)`
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`01:24.53`	`TempestuousJones`	`I must now go out into the wild... to feed.`
`01:25.23`	`TempestuousJones`	`well as soon as I find my shoed`
`01:25.25`	`TempestuousJones`	`shoes`
`01:25.29`	`TempestuousJones`	`and socks`
`01:29.11`	`Spiff`	`Hmm.`
`01:31.27`	`fiberchunks`	`tempestuousJones is a pansy ;)`
`01:32.23`	`fiberchunks`	`and how, might I add, did he manage to spell tempestuous correctly? ;)`
`01:38.28`	`*** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca)`
`01:42.05`	`Spiff`	`OoOoO... fiber. How.... insulting.`
`01:45.30`	`fiberchunks`	`nah, not insulting, just jibing him`
`01:46.34`	`Spiff`	`Same thing. Just friendly insulting. :-)`
`01:46.44`	`Spiff`	`~dict jibing`
`01:46.51`	`Spiff`	`Hmm.`
`02:01.50`	`Patlaborfeeding`	`a high 5?`
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`02:02.10`	`Patlaborfeeding`	`copy AND paste my friend, copy and paste!`
`02:03.07`	`bzgirl`	`~toronto`
`02:03.34`	`Patlaborfeeding`	`19`
`02:04.45`	`Patlaborfeeding`	`mmmmmm roast beast`
`02:14.14`	`fiberchunks`	`yum`
`02:15.24`	`Patlaborfeeding`	`this is better then that wet soggy "beffesqe" stuff they serve.`
`02:17.54`	`Spiff`	`Pffffff. Maybe so.... but I still love their food.`
`02:18.02`	`Spiff`	`'specially the curly fries. :-D`
`02:18.34`	`Patlaborfeeding`	`the frys are good`
`02:18.42`	`Patlaborfeeding`	`and it is all about the sauce`
`02:22.40`	`Spiff`	`Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmm. :-)`
`02:22.41`	`Spiff`	`Brb.`
`02:22.45`	`*** part/#bzflag Spiff (Spiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
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`02:26.15`	`bryjen`	`~seen Patlaborfeeding`
`02:26.16`		`patlaborfeeding is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 7m 34s`
`02:28.14`	`fiberchunks`	`what's this about new fandangos in screamers or bzflag pat?`
`02:28.22`	`fiberchunks`	`gah, of course netsplit`
`02:30.27`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlaborfeeding (~jeffm@adsl-64-172-197-55.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`02:30.27`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlaborfeeding] by zelazny.freenode.net`
`02:30.27`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+bb gorb!@ sussudio!@] by jordan.freenode.net`
`02:30.27`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o Patlaborfeeding] by ChanServ`
`02:31.00`	`bryjen`	`rehi Patlaborfeeding`
`02:31.20`	`Patlaborfeeding`	`wow, you guys shoulda SEEN that`
`02:31.30`	`bryjen`	`its ok to type with your mouth full :)`
`02:31.34`	`bryjen`	`wha?`
`02:31.39`	`patlabor221`	`it was AMAZING`
`02:31.41`	`patlabor221`	`the lights`
`02:31.43`	`patlabor221`	`the sounds`
`02:31.46`	`patlabor221`	`the pure energy`
`02:32.00`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ`
`02:32.12`	`bryjen`	`wait, i think i've seen this star trek episode`
`02:32.25`	`bryjen`	`;)`
`02:32.40`	`patlabor221`	`no, they didn't say they were from star treck`
`02:33.31`	`bryjen`	`patlabor221: i think the check for verified you put in hasPerm the other day is bogus. it stops non-verified users from excersizing DEFUALT group rights.`
`02:34.06`	`bryjen`	`~spell excersizing`
`02:34.08`		`possible spellings for excersizing: excessing exercising excising expertizing exceeding excerpting exorcising`
`02:34.12`	`patlabor221`	`yeah I was thinking of that`
`02:34.28`	`bryjen`	`just now? ;)`
`02:34.35`	`patlabor221`	`well yesterday`
`02:34.50`	`patlabor221`	`tho it would fix the problem nid was having`
`02:35.09`	`bryjen`	`the clearing group in addPlayer should fix that tho`
`02:35.14`	`patlabor221`	`yeah`
`02:40.16`	`bryjen`	`wonder if the 2.6.0-testyness got 'em`
`02:40.39`	`patlabor221`	`I think it was my commit`
`02:40.43`	`patlabor221`	`it was tainted`
`02:40.56`	`bryjen`	`it shoulda been like two lines...`
`02:41.15`	`patlabor221`	`it was`
`02:41.19`	`patlabor221`	`but it was still tainted`
`02:41.42`	`bryjen`	`the anti-linux strikes again!`
`02:41.55`	`patlabor221`	`so is the power of the darkside`
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`02:43.35`	`fiberchunks`	`yay, the rest of my books are due to arrive shortly`
`02:44.02`	`patlabor221`	`porn sore finaly get it's shipment?`
`02:44.23`	`bryjen`	`Ewww. nasty typo`
`02:44.26`	`fiberchunks`	`nah, no porn`
`02:44.33`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`02:44.39`	`patlabor221`	`typo? :)`
`02:44.56`	`fiberchunks`	`my 'porn sore' has been aching lately`
`02:45.09`	`patlabor221`	`ok, so typo!`
`02:45.17`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
`02:45.18`	`bryjen`	`if it hurts, for god sake STOP! :)`
`02:46.14`	`fiberchunks`	`it is a great typo though -- sounds like a good name for a punk band`
`02:46.43`	`patlabor221`	`like mourning wood.`
`02:46.50`	`fiberchunks`	`LOL`
`02:47.23`	`bryjen`	`~dict mourning`
`02:47.44`	`patlabor221`	`see :)`
`02:48.02`	`fiberchunks`	`like morrisey`
`02:48.32`	`bryjen`	`welcome to #bzflag and the downward spiral....`
`02:49.06`	`fiberchunks`	`pat, so what are these wonderful widgets of joy you and spiff were talking about?`
`02:49.18`	`patlabor221`	`dlls`
`02:49.26`	`patlabor221`	`dlls, of great evil`
`02:49.32`	`fiberchunks`	`new dlls or old dlls?`
`02:49.39`	`patlabor221`	`some of each`
`02:49.51`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, what'd you finish?`
`02:50.11`	`patlabor221`	`database, network, and CommandArgs`
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`02:50.16`	`fiberchunks`	`nifty`
`02:50.30`	`patlabor221`	`also a test server and test client`
`02:50.33`	`bryjen`	`mixing old + new dlls is a source of great evil`
`02:50.38`	`patlabor221`	`and they actualy connect to each other`
`02:50.44`	`fiberchunks`	`screamers, or bz?`
`02:50.49`	`fiberchunks`	`I assume screamers`
`02:50.59`	`bryjen`	`i thought that was cap's department tho`
`02:51.01`	`patlabor221`	`database could be used in BZ`
`02:51.12`	`bryjen`	`ooo and so is that`
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`02:51.30`	`patlabor221`	`it could be used to let servers share registration databases`
`02:51.44`	`fiberchunks`	`cool`
`02:51.49`	`patlabor221`	`tho then BZ would need to use CNetwork, and COSFile`
`02:51.55`	`patlabor221`	`and CTime`
`02:52.26`	`fiberchunks`	`where do those derive from? std C lib or something?`
`02:52.32`	`patlabor221`	`no`
`02:52.41`	`patlabor221`	`me and Cap made CTime`
`02:52.46`	`patlabor221`	`I made COSFile`
`02:52.46`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`02:53.00`	`patlabor221`	`CNetwork is new, it uses Enet`
`02:53.17`	`patlabor221`	`for relyable UDP`
`02:53.22`	`fiberchunks`	`cool`
`02:53.49`	`patlabor221`	`tho it dosn't really fit with the BZ "platform" way of abstracting stuff.`
`02:54.23`	`fiberchunks`	`har har, have there been any decisions made of late regarding the bz 'path' ?`
`02:54.48`	`patlabor221`	`he who would make those descistions has not spoke, or spressed an interest it seems`
`02:54.58`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`02:55.10`	`fiberchunks`	`something new and different, it seems`
`02:55.51`	`patlabor221`	`I personaly would not change BZ that much if I was him`
`02:56.06`	`patlabor221`	`but it may be time to create a branch`
`02:56.19`	`fiberchunks`	`well, imho, that would be a good thing`
`02:56.32`	`fiberchunks`	`like we were discussing couple weeks ago`
`02:56.36`	`patlabor221`	`yes`
`02:57.03`	`patlabor221`	`but unless it was an "ofical" branch I don't think it would get the support a real branch would need`
`02:57.27`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, you never know, I suppose`
`02:57.42`	`patlabor221`	`or posibly break the project up into difrentsections`
`02:58.10`	`patlabor221`	`like one sub project that deals with game play elelemnts ( new flags and such ), and another that does net, and another that does the engine and other core tech.`
`02:58.20`	`patlabor221`	`and create a lead for each of those`
`02:58.30`	`fiberchunks`	`oh, now that's a good idea`
`02:58.43`	`patlabor221`	`that's they way most company's do it`
`02:59.15`	`bryjen`	`how much disentanglement would the code need before seperate pieces are truely seperate?`
`02:59.24`	`patlabor221`	`a lot`
`02:59.33`	`patlabor221`	`but it at least then it could be split up`
`02:59.40`	`fiberchunks`	`was 1.8 the closest to that 'goal' ?`
`02:59.43`	`patlabor221`	`one team could pull out the engine`
`02:59.52`	`patlabor221`	`it thought really hard about it.`
`03:00.31`	`fiberchunks`	`and I must go to bed (the woman calleth), gnite gents / ladies`
`03:00.41`	`bryjen`	`nite fiberchunks`
`03:00.58`	`patlabor221`	`see yas`
`03:01.31`	`patlabor221`	`the problem with a split like that would be, there would need to be somone with a strong "vision" to guide the sub teams`
`03:01.50`	`patlabor221`	`in a comercial game this is where the Designer or Producer comes in.`
`03:02.12`	`patlabor221`	`somone who dosn't care that much about the tech specifics, but knows how it should look and work when it's done.`
`03:02.44`	`patlabor221`	`this is most often not a programer, but someone with programing experience.`
`03:05.09`	`patlabor221`	`ohh, you gotta know it's bad when a site says "Create 3D games without programing"`
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`03:05.20`	`SGIa`	`hello`
`03:05.29`	`patlabor221`	`what UP G!`
`03:05.57`	`patlabor221`	`hmmm perhaps I should keep this link around for those who want us to help them make there stupid game`
`03:06.08`	`SGI`	`where`
`03:06.15`	`patlabor221`	`http://eicart.free.fr/rgd/`
`03:06.49`	`SGI`	`seen dtremenak`
`03:08.37`	`SGI`	`~seen dtremenak'`
`03:08.38`		`SGI: i haven't seen 'dtremenak''`
`03:11.42`	`bryjen`	`"Windows 3.x, Windows 95 or Windows 98. Won't work on NT"`
`03:11.46`	`bryjen`	`awww to bad`
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`03:13.08`	`patlabor221`	`lot of stuff didn't like the NT kernel`
`03:14.10`	`patlabor221`	`learner... my bestest friend who knows how to program a mac!!!!!!!!! :)`
`03:14.46`	`Quol`	`ducati has a lagwarning of 1 now?`
`03:14.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`03:15.13`	`bryjen`	`1 what? millisecond? that's harsh.`
`03:15.21`	`Quol`	`sorry lagkick`
`03:15.45`	`patlabor221`	`ohh that does not bode well`
`03:15.57`	`learner`	`what's up?`
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`03:16.11`	`patlabor221`	`I have code`
`03:16.17`	`bryjen`	`oh, 1 waring before kick, or 1 warning AS you're being kicked?`
`03:16.18`	`Quol`	`learner - shouldn't be all that hard to see all 10 of the mac softwares out there :)`
`03:16.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`thats unfriendly`
`03:16.19`	`patlabor221`	`code that "should" run on the 'tosh`
`03:16.41`	`Quol`	`bryjen: 1 warning after you are kicked is more like it :)`
`03:16.43`	`patlabor221`	`but I have no way to see if it does`
`03:16.55`	`Quol`	`I had a lag of 380ms and was kicked - boom`
`03:17.01`	`bryjen`	`as, after, all the same :)`
`03:18.08`	`learner`	`pat: so you want me to try it out?`
`03:18.12`	`learner`	`link?`
`03:18.17`	`patlabor221`	`basicly I need build scripts made for a bunch of libs to make sure they work on NOT windows`
`03:18.23`	`patlabor221`	`well it's in a CVS`
`03:18.36`	`patlabor221`	`do you have an account on asgard?`
`03:18.42`	`bryjen`	`hehe @ NOTwindows`
`03:18.43`	`learner`	`niet`
`03:18.51`	`patlabor221`	`well you will in a bit :)`
`03:19.21`	`Quol`	`gnight to all of you my fellow BZ addicts..`
`03:19.33`	`learner`	`~botsmack`
`03:19.33`		`sure, wanna snort some with me?`
`03:20.01`	`learner`	`addict? wha? who? -- g'night Quol :)`
`03:20.11`	`Quol`	`lol - hard to get that tank up my nose though`
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`03:21.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`man, sourceforge is stuttering big time now`
`03:21.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`email x 4 now`
`03:22.20`	`gonkulator`	`MrApathyCream: might I remind you that I am not a lurker`
`03:22.25`	`learner`	`MAC: I was looking at the e-mail hook on commit`
`03:22.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`gonkulator, yeh, yeh`
`03:23.21`	`patlabor221`	`basicly in the CVS for asgard there is a project called "nivie"`
`03:23.53`	`patlabor221`	`I'm lookin for somone to help make sure it works on linux before I go to far with it.`
`03:24.22`	`patlabor221`	`I know OSFile, Time, TextureManager, LGE, and SoundMananger work`
`03:24.25`	`learner`	`it's a python script, if you didn't know -- but I couldn't see anything obvious for why it'd be failing some of the time`
`03:24.32`	`patlabor221`	`well or least the used to`
`03:26.31`	`patlabor221`	`at least you guys can check your mail from your homes`
`03:26.45`	`patlabor221`	`our IS dept busted IMAP, so now I'm stuck with webmail`
`03:27.17`	`learner`	`I assume python is throwing an exception or exiting for some reason, with our commits -- but the output is not captured anywhere (probably should to see what's going on)`
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`03:42.31`	`scanline`	`learner: navi is still down, CIA emails will bounce until we fix its kernel`
`03:43.21`	`patlabor221`	`who wants to guess what the #1 badly named movie of all time was?`
`03:43.22`	`scanline`	`er`
`03:43.36`	`scanline`	`kernel, CPU, motherboard, IDE controller, and RAID setup :P`
`03:43.45`	`learner`	`CIA emails? I was told yesterday that cia didn't do the e-mailing and the CVSROOT files confirmed this to me :)`
`03:44.00`	`scanline`	`I mean emails to CIA, not from CIA`
`03:44.02`	`patlabor221`	`I think he means mails to CIA`
`03:44.21`	`scanline`	`navi is the MX for picogui.org`
`03:44.31`	`learner`	`I mean mails to _me_ when a commit occurs (via the sourceforge list)`
`03:45.06`	`learner`	`the syncmail script`
`03:45.17`	`scanline`	`oh`
`03:45.24`	`learner`	`$CVSROOT/CVSROOT/syncmail -u %{sVv} bzflag-commits@lists.sourceforge.net`
`03:45.28`	`scanline`	`you sure that's it?`
`03:45.33`	`learner`	`that's failing for some reason`
`03:45.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`spamassassin`
`03:46.37`	`learner`	`you think? that's easy enough to test..`
`03:47.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`i can send regular email to bzflag-commits and it goes thru`
`03:48.10`	`learner`	`MAC can you commit something to test it -- just tried something`
`03:49.34`	`patlabor221`	`I did a commit a bit ago`
`03:51.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'm commiting now :)`
`03:51.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`.......`
`03:52.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`(tin cans and rope, ya know, just a minute more.....)`
`03:53.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok, commit done`
`03:54.11`	`learner`	`now would someone else who always gets through also do one now just to see how long the list mail is lagging`
`03:54.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`timriker gets thru`
`03:55.40`	`learner`	`as long as`
`03:56.08`	`learner`	`mkay, I just received your commit directly -- so the script is working just fine :)`
`03:56.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`my notifications are going thru?`
`03:57.01`	`learner`	`if I direct them to me directly instead of to bzflag-commits@lists.sourceforge.net`
`03:57.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah`
`03:57.18`	`learner`	`so the commits list is block/rejecting or something`
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`03:58.46`	`learner`	`odd.. i got the list e-mail too now`
`03:59.18`	`learner`	`anyone else get mac's commit?`
`03:59.40`	`learner`	`yet the commit has been post-processed by something..`
`04:00.07`	`scanline`	`well, navi just came back up a bit..`
`04:00.07`	`learner`	`the one sent directly from syncmail had a subject of CVS: bzflag/src/bzflag playing.cxx,1.308,1.309`
`04:00.16`	`scanline`	`after getting a new CPU, motherboard, IDE controller, and kernel`
`04:00.30`	`learner`	`the one sent from the list server had a subject Manual Notification: Roger learns about SR`
`04:00.43`	`bryjen`	`dont forget all dem disks`
`04:00.48`	`patlabor221`	`I get a digest, last one I got was at 8:32`
`04:00.51`	`scanline`	`well, the disks were already there`
`04:00.58`	`scanline`	`but we found the old DMA problem had come back`
`04:01.03`	`scanline`	`and we were getting 'indicents' from the CPU`
`04:01.13`	`scanline`	`so we swapped out a bunch of hardware`
`04:01.21`	`scanline`	`my desktop computer is in pieces :P`
`04:01.55`	`bryjen`	`your CPU was indecent ? ;)`
`04:02.21`	`scanline`	`something like that`
`04:02.39`	`scanline`	`it would get 'non-fatal incidents' that would make other things non-happy`
`04:04.00`	`bryjen`	`did you have to remove the speghetti of ide cables durning surgery?`
`04:04.10`	`bryjen`	`s/durning/during`
`04:05.19`	`learner`	`hehe, I think he just pulled on the wrong ide cable :)`
`04:05.45`	`bryjen`	`cap said they weren't hotplug :)`
`04:08.52`	`learner`	`does anyone know if there is any trick to getting CVSROOT/loginfo to dump output to a log file??`
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`04:15.15`	`learner`	`Tim: looking at the e-mail commit problems`
`04:15.59`	`learner`	`CVSROOT/syncmail is apparently working -- i can point it directly to my email and all is good, pointing it to bzflag-commits@... causes it to never get delivered`
`04:16.52`	`learner`	`so sourceforge is shredding it the e-mail for a couple of us for no apparent reason`
`04:17.44`	`learner`	`perhaps our "sourceforge e-mail" needs to be authenticated/allowed for bzflag-commits??`
`04:18.54`	`TimRiker`	`hmm... perhaps. send from different addresses to the list and see if it gets through.`
`04:19.10`	`learner`	`MAC did, it worked`
`04:19.12`	`TimRiker`	`I wonder if some folks are on different shell servers and one can't send email.`
`04:19.45`	`learner`	`no, i have two syncmail lines in the loginfo hook -- one succeeds, one fails`
`04:21.28`	`TimRiker`	`hmm`
`04:24.37`	`learner`	`what's the name of the sf interactive node?`
`04:26.52`	`TimRiker`	`sf.net?`
`04:31.32`	`learner`	`niet.. shell.sourceforge.net`
`04:35.17`	`learner`	`tim: I'm trying to enable a loginfo e-mail hook and am getting a permission denied on the log file; how would one go about verifying/fixing the permissions of /cvsroot/bzflag/CVSROOT/whatever.log ...`
`04:36.51`	`learner`	`or am I just SOL?`
`04:38.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`sh: /cvsroot/bzflag/CVSROOT/syncmail.log: Permission denied`
`04:38.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`getting that`
`04:38.27`	`learner`	`yea, that's the one`
`04:38.56`	`learner`	`I'm removing it since I don't see a way to write there sigh`
`04:40.53`	`learner`	`fixed`
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`05:21.10`	`learner`	`interestings.. if I try to send a message to brlcad@users.sourceforge.net, it gets rejected -- complaining about the alias I have set on sourceforge`
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`05:23.03`	`learner`	`it took about 10 minutes for the rejection to arrive`
`05:29.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`i got bounced to`
`05:30.42`	`learner`	`yep.. just got yours`
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`05:55.27`	`patlabor221`	`hmmm looks like I will need some help geting libpng to work too, it's not too happy`
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`06:19.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`well boys are we shipping this puppy or what?`
`06:21.01`	`TimRiker`	`~nslookup bryjen.bzflag.org`
`06:22.28`	`TimRiker`	`~nslookup bryjen.bzflag.org`
`06:22.32`	`TimRiker`	`~nslookup bryjen.bzflag.com`
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`09:10.53`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Tupone fixed this`
`09:12.24`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12CVSROOT/ (loginfo): removed syncmail test`
`09:12.50`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Roger learns about SW`
`09:12.52`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12CVSROOT/ (loginfo): removed log output since we cannot write to that location with sf`
`09:13.00`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Roger learns about SR`
`09:13.06`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): useless commit testing commit system`
`09:13.10`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): whitespace, checking notifications`
`09:13.12`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12CVSROOT/ (2 files): removed the syncmail log since we cannot get the proper permissions with sf`
`09:13.15`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): doh!, get the logic right dummy`
`09:13.23`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12CVSROOT/ (checkoutlist): added syncmail.log to checkoutlist`
`09:13.30`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12CVSROOT/ (loginfo): try a different redirection (prior not working)`
`09:13.43`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): make vote vc compatible`
`09:13.56`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12CVSROOT/ (loginfo): add recording of syncmail to a log file`
`09:14.09`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12CVSROOT/ (syncmail.log): log file for syncmail`
`09:14.44`	`CIA`	`03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (Permissions.cxx): Put the candle back, let default users have a go at ait.`
`09:15.22`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): need more input`
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`13:05.14`	`brlcad`	`holy cow`
`13:06.04`	`brlcad`	`Did anyone else get a slew of commit messages unrolled today?`
`13:11.16`	`brlcad`	`wakey wakey people!`
`13:24.07`	`KTL`	`a conversation i just picked up: p1 says bad words, p2: watch the language! , p1 again: BUT IT'S CENSORED AWAY!`
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`13:38.17`	`brlcad`	`moin bryjen`
`13:38.27`	`bryjen`	`mornin'`
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`14:03.51`	`Bagheera`	`~seen quol`
`14:03.51`		`quol <~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 10h 43m 40s ago, saying: 'lol - hard to get that tank up my nose though'.`
`14:04.12`	`Bagheera`	`must be working nights...`
`14:44.57`	`brlcad`	`scanline: poke poke`
`14:45.11`	`brlcad`	`or cap: poke poke`
`14:45.55`	`brlcad`	`python question, know how to set the search path for python import directives?`
`14:54.09`	`brlcad`	`never mind.. found it ;)`
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`15:17.27`	`Chestal`	`Thilo k�mmert sich drum`
`15:18.28`	`tea\|tree_`	`^Hello all`
`15:21.02`	`brlcad`	`howdy moin`
`15:21.19`	`tea\|tree_`	`:D`
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`15:45.35`	`bryjen`	`hehe. http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/wiki/WorkInProgress in section 2.2 "+ useless - davidtrowbridge"`
`15:46.00`	`bryjen`	`the word "flag" should probly be in there somewheres`
`15:47.52`	`Nidhoggr`	`that bug still exists where admin privs stay on a slot after someone leaves.`
`15:49.23`	`bryjen`	`??`
`15:49.46`	`patlabor221`	`can't be, the groups are cleared.`
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`15:50.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`maybe I didn't get the newest code from cvs... it might have been I couldn't get it.`
`15:50.54`	`Nidhoggr`	`trying now.`
`15:51.14`	`bryjen`	`anon CVS sucks`
`15:52.01`	`patlabor221`	`it's what, a month now after they were supsoed to get more machines?`
`15:52.51`	`Nidhoggr`	`well, I think I'm golng to build another server soon, and convince the management here to let me host a lot more BZ stuff. I'm allowed a server as an employee now, so they won't charge for the extra bandwidth. :)`
`15:53.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`and we have more bandwidth than we know what to do with. we host music match and more streaming stuff than you can shake a stick at.`
`15:54.08`	`bryjen`	`the last entry for bzfs in v1_7 the web cvs thingy shows is from Aug 25`
`15:54.13`	`patlabor221`	`I can shake a stick at a LOT of stuff`
`15:54.39`	`TimRiker`	`~dict arbiter`
`15:54.41`	`Nidhoggr`	`we are Global Crossing's number 2 bandwidth customer. :)`
`15:55.10`	`Nidhoggr`	`bryjen, I saw patlabor221 add stuff just day before yesterday.`
`15:55.32`	`bryjen`	`Nidhoggr: Yes, I know he did :)`
`15:56.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`15:56.30`	`bryjen`	`but does the anonymous CVS server know?`
`15:56.41`	`patlabor221`	`probably not`
`15:56.52`	`Chestal`	`sf spamassassin really sucks`
`15:57.02`	`patlabor221`	`somone with *nix and a ssh acount should make a 1.7 snap`
`15:57.03`	`Chestal`	`it adds gargantuan headers`
`15:57.08`	`Nidhoggr`	`I always install spamassasin with CPAN`
`15:57.24`	`Nidhoggr`	`yeah... it does add a lot of headers.`
`15:58.05`	`Nidhoggr`	`they finally took me off of all the eye medications today. I'm very happy.`
`15:58.29`	`CIA`	`03jeffm2501 08v1_7 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): remove the verified check in hasperm it wasn't the problem`
`15:58.31`	`Chestal`	`eye medications, like carrots?`
`15:58.50`	`bryjen`	`woah`
`15:58.54`	`bryjen`	`CIA lag?`
`15:58.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`my eye doctor/surgeon is Gary hall Sr., the olympic gold medalist and father of Gary Hall Jr., the other olympic gold medalist. :)`
`15:58.59`	`Chestal`	`pat: hmm, now that you say it, I think that I was the one who removed that check back then for the very same reason`
`15:59.02`	`patlabor221`	`no, I just did that`
`15:59.15`	`patlabor221`	`yeah, probably you were chestal`
`15:59.15`	`Nidhoggr`	`Chestal, I almost had to have a cornea transplant because of severe complications of LASIK.`
`15:59.15`	`Chestal`	`pat: but I was assumign that the groups were cleared and thus introduced the 1.7g2 security hole`
`15:59.21`	`patlabor221`	`well 1.7 now clears the groups`
`15:59.32`	`patlabor221`	`so it's all good`
`16:00.07`	`Chestal`	`well, more or less, g2 still has the bug and that's what peopel are running. But they should upgrade to 1.9 real soon now anyway :-)`
`16:00.31`	`Chestal`	`Nidhoggr: LASIK? LASER operation to correct lens?`
`16:00.37`	`bryjen`	`now we just need someone coughcaptain_protoncough to do a snapshot for us CVS impaired :)`
`16:00.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`it'd be nice to get 1.9 out the door.`
`16:00.42`	`Nidhoggr`	`chestal, yes.`
`16:00.51`	`Nidhoggr`	`I had a rare complication (1 in 5000)`
`16:00.57`	`Chestal`	`Nidhoggr: ah, hmm, I think I am too scared to try that and now I am even more scared`
`16:01.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`and no one knows why it happens.`
`16:01.09`	`patlabor221`	`anyone here ever use libpng?`
`16:01.13`	`Nidhoggr`	`well, as of this morning, I am 20/20... so it all worked out.`
`16:02.14`	`Chestal`	`I need new glasses :-(`
`16:02.50`	`Nidhoggr`	`I wore glasses since I was 10 (32 years) and contacts since I was 18.`
`16:02.58`	`Nidhoggr`	`I had 20/400 vision.`
`16:03.54`	`Chestal`	`hmm, 20/400? What's that? We usually give Dioptrien here (which of course covers only part of the correction)`
`16:04.27`	`Chestal`	`~spell dioptre`
`16:04.28`		`possible spellings for dioptre: diopter diopters diopter's Piotr diapered deportee deported tiptoe Dipper d'etre dipped dipper deport adopter doped doper doter Dierdre Demetre Dimitri Dimitry departure dippier disputer`
`16:04.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`not sure the conversion... my contacts were 6.5`
`16:04.43`	`Nidhoggr`	`actually -6.5`
`16:04.45`	`Chestal`	`that sounds right, I have about 6.5 myself (or is it -6.5, I never know)`
`16:04.51`	`Nidhoggr`	`heh`
`16:04.52`	`Nidhoggr`	`nod`
`16:05.06`	`Nidhoggr`	`when I took my contacts/glasses off, the end of my nose was in focus. :)`
`16:05.30`	`Chestal`	`things that are far away are blurred`
`16:05.49`	`Chestal`	`and my computer monitor already counts as far away :-)`
`16:06.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`yeah.. my max focus distance was about 6-8"`
`16:07.43`	`Chestal`	`How about the procedure itself? Was it ok?`
`16:12.53`	`Nidhoggr`	`well, it took about 6 minutes from the time I hit the table to the time I left the table.`
`16:13.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`the worse part was the keratome`
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`16:13.13`	`Nidhoggr`	`which is when they make the flap.`
`16:13.32`	`Chestal`	`~dict keratome`
`16:14.28`	`brlcad`	`Ches or pat: did you guys get a slew of commit e-mails from me last night?`
`16:14.46`	`Chestal`	`most of Sep 04`
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`16:15.14`	`brlcad`	`good - I think I unstuck myself`
`16:15.30`	`brlcad`	`and mac`
`16:15.37`	`patlabor221`	`no I got 3`
`16:16.04`	`patlabor221`	`tho the last digest had 15 commits in it.`
`16:16.24`	`brlcad`	`ah, you get digest -- there were 25 commits total going back about 5 days`
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`16:17.16`	`patlabor221`	`I have 33 if I go back to the 8th`
`16:17.27`	`patlabor221`	`actualy 35`
`16:17.38`	`brlcad`	`i mean from me :)`
`16:17.42`	`patlabor221`	`ohh`
`16:18.35`	`brlcad`	`My commits were not getting through at all for some time -- turns out sf didn't like the fact that my sf alias pointed to another e-mail alias`
`16:18.44`	`Chestal`	`brlcad: I got them, and most seem to be old ones`
`16:19.16`	`brlcad`	`still haven't received all of mac's for some reason -- though he had a different problem`
`16:22.01`	`brlcad`	`What's really wierd is that it my commit e-mails did work, then stopped working, with the alias being the same the whole time (and the e-mail alias has never stopped working). There is just some query sf is trying to make that was timing out; I switched it to a different e-mail account and all was right with the world.`
`16:26.08`	`*** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@D40A3023.rev.stofanet.dk)`
`16:27.18`	`Chestal`	`hi [dmp]`
`16:27.29`	`[dmp]`	`hi`
`16:32.08`	`Chestal`	`CraXy Mouse is still #1 :-)`
`16:36.40`	`bryjen`	`grrr`
`16:37.01`	`bryjen`	`http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/wiki/ServerCommands?action=diff&date=1061340895`
`16:37.11`	`bryjen`	`luser, lusers, everywhere!`
`16:38.35`	`bryjen`	`whoops. wrong link`
`16:39.41`	`brlcad`	`yea, damn those dang lusers that work on the server commands!`
`16:40.16`	`bryjen`	`pffffft`
`16:40.43`	`bryjen`	`somebody had added a "comment" to the bottom of the page`
`16:41.59`	`bryjen`	`oooo "I'z l33t cuz I can add insults to a publicly writeable page!" and such witty ones too!`
`16:49.21`	`Nidhoggr`	`I am seriously considering just dropping 1.7 when 1.9 goes out the door officially.`
`16:49.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`and run both servers as 1.9`
`16:49.46`	`Chestal`	`which servers areyou running btw.?`
`16:49.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`bzflag.secretplace.us and dragon.org`
`16:50.30`	`Nidhoggr`	`secretplace is very popular, but dragon.org is not.`
`16:50.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`dragon.org is a 2 shot server, and secretplace a 10 shot.`
`16:50.40`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`16:51.05`	`Chestal`	`yes, popularity seems to be proportinal to # shots :-)`
`16:51.15`	`Nidhoggr`	`which kinda sucks.`
`16:52.05`	`bryjen`	`is secretplace the one with the wide-open map as well?`
`16:53.38`	`Nidhoggr`	`it's pretty wide open.`
`16:53.56`	`bryjen`	`yup`
`16:55.24`	`Nidhoggr`	`so far we have 12 people with /kick and /ban capabilities, so it's at least being policed regularly.`
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`16:57.20`	`Chikorita`	`~d`
`16:57.58`	`Chikorita`	`~weather khgr`
`16:58.27`	`Chikorita`	`itz a nice day here :)`
`16:58.36`	`Chikorita`	`~seen greg`
`16:58.37`		`i haven't seen 'greg', Chikorita`
`16:58.44`	`Chikorita`	`~seen greg1`
`16:58.44`		`greg1 <~admin@greghub.net1.nerim.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 50d 17h 15m 18s ago, saying: 'Hi'.`
`16:58.54`	`Chikorita`	`~greg1`
`16:58.55`		`methinks greg1 is da second team member 2 join BzRebels, so he iz very special 2 Chikorita :)`
`16:59.08`	`Chikorita`	`ibot: botsnack`
`16:59.08`		`Chikorita: aw, gee`
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`16:59.23`	`Chikorita`	`u deserve it ibot :)`
`16:59.34`	`brlcad`	`hi girl`
`16:59.55`	`Chikorita`	`hi boy`
`16:59.58`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`17:00.00`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`17:00.05`	`Chikorita`	`:)`
`17:00.23`	`Chikorita`	`itz nice out taday isnt it?`
`17:00.29`	`Chikorita`	`perfect day`
`17:00.53`	`Chestal`	`raining cats and dogs, yes`
`17:01.10`	`Chikorita`	`where r u ches? ur in NY yes?`
`17:01.20`	`brlcad`	`beautful .. I rode in to work again today on my bike`
`17:01.24`	`Chikorita`	`o wait ..germany?`
`17:01.45`	`Chestal`	`yes, Germany`
`17:01.59`	`Chikorita`	`yup itz a good day 4 day a bike ride`
`17:02.06`	`Chikorita`	`sigh`
`17:02.28`	`Chikorita`	`i tink i'll do a lil shoopin taday`
`17:02.38`	`Chikorita`	`learner do u kno any VIM?`
`17:02.48`	`*** join/#bzflag KTL_ (~KTL@scotty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be)`
`17:02.49`	`Chikorita`	`oops *shopping`
`17:03.04`	`larsl`	`~stockholm`
`17:03.36`	`brlcad`	`Chikorita: yes`
`17:03.39`	`KTL_`	`~brussel`
`17:03.45`	`KTL_`	`~brussels`
`17:03.46`		`i heard brussels is a plant`
`17:03.50`	`KTL_`	`lol`
`17:04.05`	`Chikorita`	`lol haha`
`17:04.16`	`Chikorita`	`ibot cracks mee upz sumtimes`
`17:04.17`		`Chikorita: i don't know`
`17:04.23`	`bryjen`	`~weather zzz`
`17:04.25`	`Chikorita`	`uh huh u do`
`17:07.03`	`bryjen`	`~weather ebbr`
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`17:09.41`	`bryjen`	`~weather kowb`
`17:10.54`	`bryjen`	`getting warm here. some humidity too`
`17:12.39`	`patlabor221`	`~weather KCMA`
`17:13.19`	`patlabor221`	`hmmm it's cold today.`
`17:13.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`it's only 86 here so far today.`
`17:15.18`	`Chikorita`	`i like da cooler weather`
`17:15.28`	`Chikorita`	`hmm sounds nice in CA 2 mee`
`17:16.11`	`Nidhoggr`	`according to the forcast, it's only supposed to be 94 today`
`17:16.30`	`Chikorita`	`only 94?!`
`17:16.39`	`Chikorita`	`94 iz pretty hott 2 mee`
`17:16.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`that's really low in phoenix`
`17:16.45`	`Chikorita`	`o i c`
`17:16.49`	`Chikorita`	`heh :P`
`17:17.01`	`Nidhoggr`	`the average for july this year was 109`
`17:17.03`	`Chikorita`	`im so glad i live higher upz north`
`17:17.10`	`Chikorita`	`wow`
`17:17.11`	`patlabor221`	`yeah 94 isn't too bad at all`
`17:17.18`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`17:17.33`	`Chikorita`	`bleh`
`17:17.37`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`17:17.42`	`patlabor221`	`115 you start going "hmmm it's hot"`
`17:17.49`	`Nidhoggr`	`nod`
`17:17.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`the hottest I've seen here is 124`
`17:18.08`	`patlabor221`	`I've seen 120 in the valley`
`17:18.33`	`Nidhoggr`	`it was pure hell.`
`17:18.38`	`Chikorita`	`jebus`
`17:18.56`	`Chikorita`	`i wanna move up further north where itz cooler`
`17:19.17`	`patlabor221`	`what is the temp there now?`
`17:19.32`	`Chikorita`	`mee?`
`17:19.38`	`patlabor221`	`yes`
`17:19.40`	`Chikorita`	`o`
`17:19.49`	`Nidhoggr`	`I wanna move somewhere cooler, but my partner is a wimp when it comes to snow/cold.`
`17:20.07`	`Chikorita`	`itz 67 degress`
`17:20.34`	`patlabor221`	`would you go outside in shorts in that temp?`
`17:20.52`	`Chikorita`	`itz not dat bad , little 2 no wind`
`17:21.05`	`patlabor221`	`to us that's starting to get cold`
`17:21.12`	`Chikorita`	`shorts no , t-shirt yes`
`17:21.13`	`patlabor221`	`like sweatshirt time`
`17:21.24`	`Chikorita`	`lol Pat gee`
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`17:21.26`	`fiberchunks`	`phoot`
`17:21.30`	`fiberchunks`	`'lo all`
`17:21.35`	`patlabor221`	`no no, it's phooont`
`17:21.38`	`Nidhoggr`	`I'm going for the parka when it's 65 :)`
`17:21.44`	`Chikorita`	`u would look funny here wearin a sweatshirt`
`17:22.36`	`larsl`	`~convert 67 fahrenheit to celsius`
`17:22.49`	`larsl`	`~convert 67 degrees fahrenheit to celsius`
`17:22.53`	`Nidhoggr`	`doesn't work, larz.`
`17:22.59`	`larsl`	`Bah.`
`17:23.27`	`Nidhoggr`	`!(67-32)/1,8`
`17:23.30`	`Chikorita`	`u need 2 come out 2 da east coast an live here awhile ...having 4 different seasons iz kewl sumtimes`
`17:23.34`	`Nidhoggr`	`~(67-32)/1,8`
`17:23.38`	`larsl`	`19.444...`
`17:23.44`	`bryjen`	`tim said all the converts are straight multiplications`
`17:23.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`~(67-32)/1.8`
`17:23.56`		`19.444444444444`
`17:24.02`	`patlabor221`	`do your beaches have waves?`
`17:24.12`	`Nidhoggr`	`~(124-32)/1.8`
`17:24.13`		`51.111111111111`
`17:24.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`17:25.38`	`Nidhoggr`	`larsl... how about time/date stamp thing? :)`
`17:26.12`	`larsl`	`Nidhoggr: It turned out to be trickier than I thought.`
`17:26.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`ah, bummer. :(`
`17:26.33`	`bryjen`	`I use logger(1) to send it thru syslog, which stamps everything`
`17:26.44`	`larsl`	`I would need variadic macros, which isn't a part of standard C++ (but it is in C99).`
`17:27.00`	`larsl`	`Or change all DEBUGX calls. =(`
`17:27.10`	`Nidhoggr`	`brygen, how do you do that?`
`17:27.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`err bryjen`
`17:27.59`	`larsl`	`That sounds better than awk. Does it work from inside a chroot jail?`
`17:28.04`	`bryjen`	`bzflag -opt1 -opt2 -optfoo 2>&1 \| logger -p local.info`
`17:28.20`	`bryjen`	`s/local/local0`
`17:28.26`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm... prolly wouldn't work inside jail`
`17:28.30`	`bryjen`	`and send local0 stuff to its own file`
`17:28.45`	`larsl`	`Ah, you can specify the file.`
`17:29.08`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm... it might work, then.`
`17:29.47`	`bryjen`	`logger talks to syslogd , and syslogd is configured where to store stuff`
`17:29.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`mmmmmm... coffee.... beanium extractius vitae`
`17:30.32`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
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`17:31.52`	`brlcad`	`is there a syslog() equivalent on windows?`
`17:32.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`there is a system event log, but not sure if you'd want to log bz stuff to it.`
`17:32.51`	`brlcad`	`I'd like to add more advanced logging capabilities to bzfs, similar to apache's configurability`
`17:33.21`	`brlcad`	`but right now, it's looking like the best idea is to do our own file i/o`
`17:33.32`	`Nidhoggr`	`well, my thing is that bzfs needs to be more like a regular server software.`
`17:34.20`	`Nidhoggr`	`thanks to larsl, it's a lot easier to work with since the bzadmin stuff.`
`17:34.21`	`brlcad`	`you mean more frequent crashes?`
`17:34.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`I've been running servers on the net since 1993, and haven't had a lot of crashing problems.`
`17:35.04`	`brlcad`	`if (rand() % 1000) exit(rand());`
`17:35.11`	`Nidhoggr`	`heh`
`17:35.24`	`Nidhoggr`	`no... more like more standardized configs, etc.`
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`17:35.44`	`Nidhoggr`	`like an external banlist file that can be commented, etc., and saved to when the server gets new bans.`
`17:36.22`	`Nidhoggr`	`rahter than having to stick all the bans on a single line in a conf file or command line.`
`17:37.10`	`brlcad`	`I'm personally not keen to black-listing, myself, on any level`
`17:37.51`	`brlcad`	`even more so for a game`
`17:38.21`	`Nidhoggr`	`well, when you are paying a good price for resources to provide a server, and people don't like cheaters and abusers, there is little other option.`
`17:38.41`	`Nidhoggr`	`the only other option is to turn off the server and forget about it.`
`17:38.49`	`Nidhoggr`	`the logic of not blacklisting is flawed.`
`17:38.58`	`brlcad`	`it is a rather simple way to deal with an apparently simple problem -- I'll give ou that`
`17:39.10`	`brlcad`	`there are other options`
`17:39.15`	`Nidhoggr`	`like?`
`17:40.14`	`brlcad`	`it's a social problem -- most social problems are better served by social solution: voting, karma, better security architecture`
`17:41.10`	`Nidhoggr`	`those don't work, because there is always a way to exploit them.`
`17:41.20`	`brlcad`	`it's not a matter of explicitly prohibiting a problem from _ever_ occuring -- it's a matter of minimizing or discouraging the problem away into noice behavior`
`17:41.27`	`Nidhoggr`	`give people on the internet a chance to exploit something and they will.`
`17:41.37`	`Nidhoggr`	`you really need both, IMO`
`17:41.38`	`fiberchunks`	`well, the same is true of banning`
`17:41.47`	`fiberchunks`	`unless, you ban entire subnets`
`17:41.52`	`Nidhoggr`	`I've done that`
`17:41.53`	`Nidhoggr`	`often`
`17:41.58`	`fiberchunks`	`oh well then`
`17:42.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`it's a matter of safety.`
`17:42.26`	`Nidhoggr`	`especially recently`
`17:42.34`	`Nidhoggr`	`when security is an issue.`
`17:43.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`for the social solutions to work, people have to grok respect.`
`17:43.20`	`Nidhoggr`	`and while many do, there is a need to deal with those that don't in other ways.`
`17:43.37`	`fiberchunks`	`if security is truly an issue, then perhaps a game server shouldn't be running on systems that need such security?`
`17:43.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`every system needs such security.`
`17:44.46`	`brlcad`	`if the social solution isn't really working, then it's probably not addressing the right problem`
`17:44.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`if a person such as myself decides to run a server as professionally as possible, it'd be a bad thing for me to let people just run rampant on the server, even if the base system was secure.`
`17:45.39`	`Nidhoggr`	`the example of the admin function bug being an example, where people exploit it and /shutdownserver or /kick people, etc.`
`17:46.14`	`brlcad`	`that is true, you don't want them running rampant -- that would be just silly; but that doesn't necessarily imply that banning subnets is required -- it's only a convenient way to prevent the problem quickly`
`17:46.41`	`brlcad`	`the problems you're having now are due to a complete lack of any social control`
`17:46.42`	`fiberchunks`	`and again, I reiterate that perhaps a game server should be on it's own system, or none at all, than being on a system with other, more important, things to worry about`
`17:46.48`	`Nidhoggr`	`well, I normally don't keep subnet bans in place, once a problem is resolved, but band are sometimes neceesary.`
`17:47.25`	`larsl`	`Whoa. What admin function bug?`
`17:47.29`	`fiberchunks`	`iirc, kp ran his on a cheap little 500 MHz box, completely free of 'important' things (I know I did)`
`17:47.35`	`Nidhoggr`	`fiber, you aren't listening to me. you are ranting about an irrelavent issue. my server is secure... the server software (bzfs) is another issue.`
`17:48.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`sometimes it becomes necessary to ban entire subnets to protect it.`
`17:48.17`	`fiberchunks`	`first, nid, I'm not ranting, merely stating that if the server software isn't secure, perhaps it shouldn't be on a system with other 'more important' things to worry about`
`17:48.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`that's what a chroot jail is for.`
`17:49.13`	`brlcad`	`don't get me wrong, as an bzfs admin, it's under your perveyance to ban people for having the letter "h" in their name for all I care; it's more of what "should" be in place for a future architecture to make the system reasonable to use for all the players`
`17:49.27`	`Nidhoggr`	`and if I could afford to put the game servers on their own machien, I'd would... but resources are not cheap.`
`17:49.39`	`Chikorita`	`banning iz kinda harsh ..i tink it should only b used on da worse violators ...like hackers an such`
`17:50.02`	`Chikorita`	`i tink cheaters should get an extensive kick/boot ...maybee like 48 hours`
`17:50.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`we warn a number of times first, then we ban. most bans are temporary.`
`17:50.11`	`Chikorita`	`an cussers like a 1 or 2 hour boot`
`17:50.30`	`Nidhoggr`	`many bans last til the next server restart.`
`17:50.35`	`Chikorita`	`yea warnings should alwayz b given in any case`
`17:51.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`one thing that gets under my skin, and I'm less tolerant about is bypassing the badword filter.`
`17:51.28`	`Nidhoggr`	`the automessage says "no swearing" and people that bypass the filter have already been warned by that message.`
`17:51.28`	`brlcad`	`Nidhoggr: you should like the new word filter`
`17:51.33`	`*** part/#bzflag fiberchunks (~mike@237.14.252.64.snet.net)`
`17:51.35`	`Nidhoggr`	`why's that?`
`17:51.39`	`brlcad`	`have you seen it?`
`17:51.46`	`Nidhoggr`	`nope`
`17:51.55`	`Chikorita`	`i believe even bad peepz can change 4 da betta...if u jus give dem a chance an show dem da way`
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`17:52.49`	`brlcad`	`Nidhoggr: I wrote a _much_ more aggressive word filter (yet to date has still had 0 false-positives)`
`17:52.58`	`Nidhoggr`	`chikorita, I'm all for giving people chances... I'm a spiritual counselor when I am not working my secular job.`
`17:52.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`17:53.02`	`Chikorita`	`if u blacklist dey wil not change ...dey wil jus try 2 find otha wayz 2 cause trubble an get in`
`17:53.07`	`brlcad`	`you can filter callsigns as well as the chat traffic`
`17:53.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`oh, cool.`
`17:53.28`	`Nidhoggr`	`the callsign thing has been an issue for a while.`
`17:53.30`	`Chikorita`	`dats a kewl job Nidhoggr :) yay 4 u`
`17:54.11`	`brlcad`	`it'll perform ten's of thousands of word variations that you might not have thought of all automatically`
`17:54.23`	`Nidhoggr`	`oooh.`
`17:54.24`	`Nidhoggr`	`neat`
`17:54.42`	`Chikorita`	`im tinkin bout bein a counselor too ...family an rehab tho`
`17:54.50`	`Nidhoggr`	`I am not really against swearing personally, but we have a lot of kids that play on our servers. I've been known to let a few fly now and again.`
`17:54.52`	`brlcad`	`it also handles l33t speak, automatic suffixing, and mid-word expansions as well`
`17:55.10`	`Nidhoggr`	`I end up doing a lot of that sort of thing, anyway, chiko`
`17:55.27`	`Chikorita`	`yea learner has an extensive list he worked on ...it covers dem all quite well`
`17:55.39`	`Chikorita`	`lol Pat`
`17:56.05`	`Chikorita`	`$#%@ Pat ;)`
`17:56.12`	`Nidhoggr`	`I used to swar really badly, when I was in the military. It took years to tone it down. it becomes a habit.`
`17:56.13`	`brlcad`	`nid, the filter is still only as strong as the words in your banlist`
`17:56.26`	`Nidhoggr`	`nod`
`17:56.41`	`Nidhoggr`	`I'd have to hunt for a good banlist/more words.`
`17:56.45`	`Chikorita`	`were u in da navy by chance Nid?`
`17:56.50`	`patlabor221`	`so just log about an hour on Knightmare and you shoul get them all`
`17:56.51`	`Nidhoggr`	`air force`
`17:56.56`	`brlcad`	`there are two default lists useful as a starting point; one with about a few hundred words, the other with about 1500 words`
`17:56.59`	`Chikorita`	`lol pat`
`17:57.06`	`Nidhoggr`	`oooh. cool`
`17:57.06`	`brlcad`	`covers about 25 languages, iirc`
`17:57.09`	`Chikorita`	`Nidhoggr: o i c`
`17:57.10`	`patlabor221`	`or log some undernet`
`17:57.16`	`Nidhoggr`	`heh`
`17:59.27`	`brlcad`	`brlcad.org's development 1.9 server is running the swear filter now if you get a hankering to test it out`
`18:00.07`	`Nidhoggr`	`I'll have to check it out when I can get back to my windows box. it's useless right now and I have to rebuild it next week.`
`18:00.50`	`Nidhoggr`	`ATI vid cards are not fond of AMD processors.`
`18:01.04`	`Nidhoggr`	`so I am going to build a p4 desktop next week.`
`18:01.07`	`brlcad`	`there is only one word that is a known problem that I haven't looked into yet..`
`18:01.15`	`Nidhoggr`	`?`
`18:07.06`	`Nidhoggr`	`how does the new filter handle callsigns?`
`18:07.07`	`Chikorita`	`heehe wut word iz dat? ;)`
`18:08.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm pres bush is trying to push a white collar overtime exemption.`
`18:08.50`	`Chikorita`	`~d`
`18:09.44`	`Chikorita`	`Craxy Mouse iz startin 2 improve ..he iz gettin skeery good now`
`18:10.40`	`Chikorita`	`wif all da hours he plays ..hes turnin into a bz monsta like frankenstein LoL`
`18:10.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`18:10.47`	`Chikorita`	`brb`
`18:14.45`	`brlcad`	`It'll filter the callsigns just like how it filters the chat text`
`18:15.18`	`brlcad`	`if a match is made, the user is disconnected immediately`
`18:15.58`	`brlcad`	`so if "the man who let the dogs sh1t" signed on -- he'd get kicked`
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`18:16.50`	`larsl`	`~xmission`
`18:17.08`	`larsl`	`Second Buddha has an annoying name.`
`18:17.36`	`Nidhoggr`	`excellent`
`18:17.58`	`Nidhoggr`	`that's pretty rude. :(`
`18:18.02`	`brlcad`	`see.. that would get kicked immediately with the current filter`
`18:18.13`	`brlcad`	`er, s/current/new/`
`18:20.40`	`larsl`	`The Buddhas also seem to be killing each other (both purple).`
`18:28.01`	`brlcad`	`jeesh.. I have players telling me other players ip addresses with a modified client :)`
`18:31.02`	`tea\|tree_`	`~`
`18:31.04`	`tea\|tree_`	`~d`
`18:31.10`	`Nidhoggr`	`that's not a good thing.`
`18:31.26`	`tea\|tree_`	`has somewone got a server`
`18:31.54`	`Nidhoggr`	`what do you need, teatree?`
`18:36.02`	`Bagheera`	`oil`
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`19:01.52`	`Bagheera`	`~seen quol`
`19:01.53`		`quol <~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15h 41m 42s ago, saying: 'lol - hard to get that tank up my nose though'.`
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`19:10.22`	`Chikorita`	`~d`
`19:11.22`	`Bagheera`	`might want to take some medicine for that snort there brlcad`
`19:11.29`	`Chikorita`	`bbl`
`19:11.45`	`Chikorita`	`letz go play ana ;)`
`19:11.50`	`Bagheera`	`~seen dutchrai`
`19:11.50`		`dutchrai <~ca9c0222@203.194.240.139> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 237d 14h 37m 55s ago, saying: '~lart MrApathyCream'.`
`19:12.01`	`brlcad`	`Just finishing getting that tank up my nose`
`19:13.24`	`Bagheera`	`i am just in the wrong timezone....ug`
`19:16.46`	`brlcad`	`Or you just need to stay up much much later :)`
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`19:19.52`	`tea\|tree_`	`~d`
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`19:26.15`	`brlcad`	`howdy KR!`
`19:26.23`	`KR`	`hi all :)`
`19:26.27`	`brlcad`	`great day to go boating..`
`19:26.41`	`KR`	`heh - I wish!`
`19:27.24`	`KR`	`am just glad to be here - been having probs wth networking on this laptop`
`19:27.39`	`KR`	`tho they seem to be fixed now`
`19:29.54`	`Bagheera`	`been there....and yes it is`
`19:30.06`	`Bagheera`	`--> brlcad`
`19:30.53`	`Bagheera`	`one sail, 9 knots, and a cool breeze........one lost cell phone`
`19:31.01`	`KR`	`looking forward to some water time this weekend`
`19:31.08`	`KR`	`pre-hurricane Isabel`
`19:31.22`	`Bagheera`	`:)`
`19:31.42`	`tea\|tree_`	`uh`
`19:31.52`	`KR`	`tea awakens...`
`19:31.56`	`KR`	`n:)`
`19:32.08`	`tea\|tree_`	`;)`
`19:32.12`	`tea\|tree_`	`"n"`
`19:32.14`	`tea\|tree_`	`lool`
`19:32.31`	`KR`	`nwhat? :)`
`19:32.33`	`KR`	`nlol`
`19:32.33`	`tea\|tree_`	`;)`
`19:32.44`	`tea\|tree_`	`KR i was in St Tropez`
`19:32.49`	`KR`	`i even do that in other apps now...`
`19:32.50`	`tea\|tree_`	`and i thought about you`
`19:32.58`	`tea\|tree_`	`because there where lots of nice ships`
`19:32.59`	`Bagheera`	`do you know the way.....blah, blah, bla`
`19:33.05`	`KR`	`aua - cool - :D`
`19:33.18`	`tea\|tree_`	`oh`
`19:33.29`	`KR`	`and some pretty women too, no doubt :)`
`19:34.34`	`KR`	`did you get out on the water there?`
`19:34.38`	`Bagheera`	`pretty woman, walking down the street, pretty woman, kind i'd like to meet.....blah, blah, bla`
`19:37.21`	`bryjen`	`eeep. Bagheera sings.`
`19:38.03`	`Bagheera`	`.....just like a cat......`
`19:40.54`	`KR`	`just found out I am a beta tester for the new Xandros release`
`19:40.59`	`KR`	`kewl!`
`19:41.09`	`KR`	`free software to break :)`
`19:45.58`	`Bagheera`	`thanks, danke, cool.......`
`19:48.03`	`bryjen`	`http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?p=11628#11628`
`19:48.04`	`bryjen`	`I'm not sure why this is bothering me. The random users posting IP addys or the threads that will never end.`
`19:48.56`	`Bagheera`	`i think they are trying to be helpful, and this is the only way they know how.........or it is the easiest.`
`19:49.34`	`bryjen`	`I'm a bit skeptical of sussudio`
`19:49.41`	`Bagheera`	`or they are just trying to release frustrations............`
`19:49.42`	`bryjen`	`'s motives`
`19:49.57`	`bryjen`	`but yeah, I get your point`
`19:50.02`	`Bagheera`	`dont know, never played against him.......`
`19:50.47`	`tea\|tree_`	`uh`
`19:50.49`	`tea\|tree_`	`~d`
`19:51.01`	`KR`	`sussudio = bunnies = booger = chiwahwa killer - right?`
`19:51.09`	`Nidhoggr`	`I'm about to send spoogebob a registered letter to his house, and officially request he not go on my servers again... it might freak him out that I actually have his mailing address.`
`19:51.10`	`bryjen`	`It;s roooooooooooot!`
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`19:51.55`	`bryjen`	`I've seen him as bunnies... not sure about the rest.`
`19:51.59`	`Bagheera`	`haha, like that idea.....`
`19:52.03`	`Nidhoggr`	`he hadn't showed up for a few months.`
`19:52.12`	`Bagheera`	`schools back in`
`19:52.15`	`Nidhoggr`	`then he showed up on both servers.`
`19:52.15`	`brlcad`	`killer chiwawa is sussudio??`
`19:52.49`	`bryjen`	`Nidhoggr: be sure to mention that you've kept a copy`
`19:52.49`	`Nidhoggr`	`I have his resume... it doesn't look like he is in school, unless it's someone borrowing their dad's computer.`
`19:53.11`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`19:53.35`	`bryjen`	`on file at your attorney's office :)`
`19:53.47`	`bryjen`	`eh`
`19:53.51`	`Bagheera`	`a resume.....yeah, i bet he is borrowing his dads computer...........almost sounds like my #%^$^%@ nephew`
`19:53.51`	`bryjen`	`~spell attorney`
`19:53.52`		`'attorney' may be spelled correctly`
`19:54.16`	`Nidhoggr`	`I might just call up the phone number on the resume.`
`19:54.57`	`Bagheera`	`would be worth a shot.....make sure you call from a phone other than your home....just in case of Caller iD........he might start calling you`
`19:55.44`	`bryjen`	`harrassment in the real world can get you arrested`
`19:55.53`	`Nidhoggr`	`I have anon call blocking, so if he called, he'd not get through without a valid caller id.`
`19:56.30`	`Nidhoggr`	`if I called, it'd be for the purpose of gathering information about someone abusing my internet server... so it wouldn't be harassment.`
`19:56.37`	`Bagheera`	`it takes more than 3 calls a day in MD to constitute harassment, if you can believe that.........fyi, those fireman telemarketers are a pain`
`19:57.33`	`Nidhoggr`	`besides, my home phone number is a matter of public record and if you know my domain names, you can get my phone number.`
`19:57.46`	`Nidhoggr`	`I'm not too paranoid.`
`19:58.00`	`Nidhoggr`	`have had my phone number as part of my whois info for 10 years.`
`19:58.03`	`Bagheera`	`i wish i wasnt`
`19:58.13`	`bryjen`	`then what's with the tin-foil hat ? ;)`
`19:58.25`	`Nidhoggr`	`it matches my shoes. ;-P`
`19:58.30`	`bryjen`	`hehe`
`19:58.36`	`KR`	`brlcad - no, chiwawa killer is/was one, but thas diff from killer chuhuahua`
`19:58.52`	`bryjen`	`~spell chiwawa`
`19:58.52`		`possible spellings for chiwawa: Chippewa Chicana chowed chaw Chiarra chinas chewer Chara Chiba China chewed china chinaware Chiquia Chiba's China's chewier china's hideaway chewers chowing Chiang chews chiral chows Chickasaw chainsaw chew chow throwaway Chas chis CIA Chi Chicago Chicano Chimera chi chicane chimera chorea chow's Chilean Chiles Choctaw Hiawatha cheaps cheats chewing chides chiefs chimes chines chisel chives cutaway schwas`
`19:59.16`	`brlcad`	`ah, good -- had me confused/worried there`
`19:59.19`	`KR`	`chihooawahuuwah`
`19:59.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`!spell chihuahua`
`19:59.26`	`Nidhoggr`	`!spell chihuahua`
`19:59.35`	`brlcad`	`it's wrong, but that's how he spells it :)`
`19:59.36`	`Nidhoggr`	`~spell chihuahua`
`19:59.36`		`'chihuahua' may be spelled correctly`
`19:59.37`	`Nidhoggr`	`:)`
`20:00.53`	`bryjen`	`~dict chihuahua`
`20:01.54`	`Nidhoggr`	`yo quiero taco bell!`
`20:02.32`	`bryjen`	`tiny dog, large rodent, not much difference :)`
`20:02.49`	`KR`	`looks like SCOX is going to be off $1.50 for the day - kewl`
`20:03.08`	`KR`	`losers`
`20:03.14`	`KR`	`;)`
`20:08.40`	`Bagheera`	`the last statement they put out indicates that they are trying to grasp a few more straws..........probably because the president has not sold all of his stock off yet.`
`20:12.04`	`KR`	`lol`
`20:12.48`	`KR`	`someone sold a 20k batch today, and it never really came back up after that - mebbe it was Darl`
`20:15.59`	`Bagheera`	`or his other brother darl, or his other brother darl..............`
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`20:16.29`	`bryjen`	`the first one was Larry`
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`20:17.55`	`Legolas`	`hey guys`
`20:18.22`	`tea\|tree_`	`Pat?`
`20:19.30`	`Legolas`	`hye learner`
`20:19.37`	`Bagheera`	`hey leggy`
`20:19.55`	`Legolas`	`brb`
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`20:21.07`	`Legolas`	`k`
`20:21.09`	`Legolas`	`bacck`
`20:21.36`	`KR`	`hi lego`
`20:21.38`	`KR`	`son`
`20:25.09`	`Legolas`	`hey kr :)`
`20:26.49`	`KR`	`I'm cutting off your allowance, you've been spending too much on those women of yers...`
`20:27.01`	`patlabor221`	`yes tea\|tree_`
`20:30.07`	`Bagheera`	`woman or boats.....either way the money flows`
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`20:31.34`	`KR`	`hey s`
`20:31.44`	`Spiff`	`Hiya KR. :-)`
`20:34.41`	`KR`	`waddup, g?`
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`20:42.50`	`Chikorita`	`lottsa peeps here :)`
`20:43.18`	`Chikorita`	`buh only mee typing :(`
`20:43.58`	`Chikorita`	`O HELLO KAYARE!!!`
`20:44.01`	`Chikorita`	`oops`
`20:44.03`	`Chikorita`	`LoL`
`20:44.05`	`Chikorita`	`:x`
`20:44.22`	`Chikorita`	`kr r u stil on ur laptop?`
`20:44.42`	`Chikorita`	`wut was wrong wif ur big puter?`
`20:44.52`	`KR`	`yep still on lapper`
`20:45.07`	`KR`	`I think mobo, haven't had time to tear it down to make sure tho`
`20:45.21`	`Chikorita`	`mobo?`
`20:45.33`	`KR`	`motherboard`
`20:45.35`	`Chikorita`	`ooH`
`20:46.06`	`Chikorita`	`hmm`
`20:46.23`	`Chikorita`	`dat sounds bad`
`20:47.06`	`KR`	`yeah, definnitly not good :)`
`20:47.16`	`KR`	`at least its not a hard drive :)`
`20:47.18`	`Chikorita`	`iz there such thing as a sisterboard?`
`20:47.27`	`Legolas`	`huh kr?`
`20:47.31`	`Legolas`	`women?`
`20:47.41`	`patlabor221`	`there are daughterboards`
`20:47.44`	`Legolas`	`gee dad`
`20:47.52`	`Chikorita`	`lol`
`20:48.14`	`Chikorita`	`kr iz ur virtual daddy lego?`
`20:48.17`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`20:48.18`	`Chikorita`	`ow`
`20:48.21`	`Legolas`	`nah`
`20:48.27`	`Legolas`	`nits just a lil joke :)`
`20:48.42`	`Legolas`	`take that!`
`20:48.47`	`Legolas`	`and that!`
`20:48.48`	`tea\|tree_`	`Nidhoggr?`
`20:49.08`	`Legolas`	`nah,i got to do my piano practice`
`20:49.16`	`Chikorita`	`o`
`20:49.20`	`Chikorita`	`lol kr`
`20:49.21`	`KR`	`:)`
`20:49.24`	`Legolas`	`i should be playing the fiddle on my dads pirate ship!`
`20:49.29`	`Legolas`	`but no`
`20:49.31`	`Chikorita`	`put mee down kr`
`20:49.37`	`Legolas`	`he puts me ...PIANO!`
`20:49.55`	`Legolas`	`ouch`
`20:50.01`	`Legolas`	`chikorita`
`20:50.30`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`20:50.31`	`Legolas`	`you are the official disipline instrument`
`20:50.46`	`Chikorita`	`no im nice`
`20:50.48`	`Chikorita`	`O:)`
`20:51.08`	`Chikorita`	`so u play da piano legolas?`
`20:51.19`	`Chikorita`	`stop lego`
`20:51.21`	`Legolas`	`lol`
`20:51.34`	`Legolas`	`but the piano hurt :(`
`20:51.36`	`Chikorita`	`~whaleslap legolas`
`20:51.37`		`ibot slaps Legolas upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale`
`20:51.45`	`Legolas`	`lol`
`20:51.52`	`Chikorita`	`it should , dat was a big piano ;)`
`20:51.56`	`Legolas`	`ya`
`20:51.59`	`Legolas`	`grand piano`
`20:52.05`	`Legolas`	`estonia make`
`20:52.06`	`Chikorita`	`it made an nice sound wen it hit ya 2`
`20:52.09`	`Legolas`	`brb`
`20:52.12`	`Chikorita`	`k`
`20:52.33`	`KR`	`jeez, so violent - u guys should go shoot some tanks... ;)`
`20:53.03`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`20:53.31`	`Chikorita`	`wee need 2 finish a match tween fortix an bzr buh he had 2 go 2 soccer practice halfway thru`
`20:53.38`	`Chikorita`	`:/`
`20:53.48`	`Legolas`	`Lego has gone to practice the piano and I'm going to finish school.......so bye!`
`20:54.00`	`Chikorita`	`bye lego my eggo`
`20:54.05`	`Chikorita`	`;)`
`20:54.09`	`Legolas`	`:)`
`20:54.24`	`Chikorita`	`legomaniac`
`20:54.29`	`KR`	`c ya`
`20:54.31`	`Chikorita`	`snicka`
`20:55.37`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`20:56.27`	`Chikorita`	`i luv doin dat ykno`
`20:56.30`	`Chikorita`	`;)`
`20:57.01`	`KR`	`then...`
`20:57.04`	`KR`	`you shall die`
`20:57.08`	`Chikorita`	`LoL`
`20:57.10`	`KR`	`muhahahaha`
`20:57.17`	`Chikorita`	`evil laff`
`21:01.01`	`Spiff`	`Whoa. Just remembered that I left this on. Hehe.`
`21:01.18`	`Spiff`	`N2m KR. 'Sup with you? :-)`
`21:01.27`	`Chikorita`	`hi spiffy`
`21:01.34`	`Spiff`	`Hiya Chik. :-D`
`21:01.47`	`Chikorita`	`so dat iz da pic of felicks?`
`21:01.51`	`KR`	`same same - talking to Linux geeks on another channel`
`21:01.56`	`Chikorita`	`how old iz felicks?>`
`21:01.58`	`*** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net)`
`21:02.04`	`Chikorita`	`j/w`
`21:02.06`	`Spiff`	`Hmmm.. in that pic or now?`
`21:02.14`	`Chikorita`	`both`
`21:02.39`	`Spiff`	`Wow.. hmm.. I think he's like 1 1/2 now.. I think he might've been six or seven months old there. :-)`
`21:02.48`	`Chikorita`	`ooH`
`21:02.50`	`Spiff`	`I need to get a new pic of him... he's like reallllly big now. Hehe.`
`21:02.57`	`Chikorita`	`big cat 4 six months`
`21:03.05`	`Chikorita`	`lol i bet`
`21:03.11`	`Spiff`	`Yep.. he's tooooo funny tho.`
`21:03.19`	`Chikorita`	`i like big cats , buh not fat 1's`
`21:03.22`	`Spiff`	`Every time I go over to my sister's I play fetch with him. :-)`
`21:03.25`	`Spiff`	`Yeah.. same here.`
`21:03.29`	`Chikorita`	`aww`
`21:03.38`	`Bagheera`	`i leave for 10 minutes and the channel is spewing conversation`
`21:03.39`	`Chikorita`	`dat iz so kewl ur cat can play fetch`
`21:03.51`	`Chikorita`	`o hi bags`
`21:04.05`	`Chikorita`	`hmm wut was bags passwerd again ...snicka`
`21:04.14`	`Chikorita`	`iz dat da reAL bags?`
`21:04.17`	`Bagheera`	`go ahead try.....`
`21:04.21`	`Spiff`	`LoL Chik`
`21:04.22`	`Chikorita`	`lol '`
`21:04.27`	`Chikorita`	`dat was so funny`
`21:04.45`	`Spiff`	`Yep.. Felicks is very unique.. hehe. He likes to pounce too.... on people.`
`21:04.46`	`Bagheera`	`i tried X-chat last night........chatzilla is still more "idiot" friendly`
`21:04.54`	`Chikorita`	`msg nickserv identify bagsdummy`
`21:04.58`	`Chikorita`	`oops dats not it`
`21:05.02`	`Chikorita`	`snicka`
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`21:05.15`	`Spiff`	`If you're wearing shorts.. he'll jump up, wrap his paws around your leg, and nibble on your leg. LoL`
`21:05.19`	`Chikorita`	`my cat used 2 do dat 2`
`21:05.43`	`Spiff`	`Hehe. Cute. :-)`
`21:05.51`	`Chikorita`	`yup ...my cat used 2 hide behind da corner an do an ankle ambush`
`21:05.58`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`21:06.00`	`Spiff`	`LoL`
`21:06.12`	`Chikorita`	`i jus walk around wearing my cat on my foot`
`21:06.17`	`Spiff`	`My family used to have a cat (before I was born) that attacked my sister..`
`21:06.22`	`Chikorita`	`ooH`
`21:06.24`	`Chikorita`	`aww`
`21:06.27`	`tea\|tree_`	`good nite`
`21:06.30`	`Chikorita`	`attack cat`
`21:06.34`	`Spiff`	`She was learning to ride her bike.. and he'd hide in the bushes then pounce on her when she rode by.. LoL.`
`21:06.34`	`Chikorita`	`bye teatreee`
`21:06.44`	`Spiff`	`But he never did that to anyone else. Hehehe.`
`21:06.45`	`Chikorita`	`lol spiff`
`21:06.47`	`Spiff`	`C-ya TeA. :-)`
`21:06.50`	`tea\|tree_`	`in next day maybe a new BZ Comunity will start`
`21:07.02`	`Chikorita`	`hmm`
`21:07.06`	`KR`	`bye t`
`21:07.19`	`Chikorita`	`brb`
`21:07.44`	`Spiff`	`The BZ Underworld! That might be nice... ;-)`
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`21:10.20`	`Spiff`	`Bagheera- I like X-Chat. ;-)`
`21:10.42`	`Chikorita`	`~d`
`21:10.54`	`Chikorita`	`bbl`
`21:11.00`	`Spiff`	`'kies.`
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`21:24.54`	`bryjen`	`brlcad: no jumping on brlcad.org:14242 ?`
`21:31.42`	`brlcad`	`No, I turned it off to emphasize the need for roger to have some defensive capabilities :D`
`21:34.31`	`bryjen`	`makes it hard to use the teleporters :)`
`21:35.04`	`brlcad`	`yea.. I realized that after the fact :) I could throw a couple jumping flags in there ..`
`21:35.58`	`Bagheera`	`man that windowed version of g2 is a pain......`
`21:37.52`	`bryjen`	`he seems to expect to be able to jump over things too, he's running into boxes, and shooting himself while stuck on them :(`
`21:41.31`	`Spiff`	`Roger is a bot I take it?`
`21:43.02`	`bryjen`	`new and improved even`
`21:43.16`	`[dmp]`	`x/quit`
`21:43.18`	`[dmp]`	`oops`
`21:44.10`	`bryjen`	`wow. switching virtual desktops with bz running in a window does wierd things.`
`21:44.41`	`Spiff`	`Cool. :-)`
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`21:48.11`	`Bagheera`	`bzgirl as we live and breathe :)`
`21:48.17`	`bzgirl`	`hello`
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`21:48.39`	`brlcad`	`good things come in pairs`
`21:48.57`	`bzgirl`	`where can i download 1.9 latest build for windows?`
`21:49.04`	`Bagheera`	`must be that "elite" team joining`
`21:49.55`	`brlcad`	`not sure how latest that is`
`21:50.59`	`bzgirl`	`20th of august`
`21:51.04`	`bzgirl`	`but thnks`
`21:51.10`	`Chestal`	`hi`
`21:51.17`	`bzgirl`	`~seen chikorita`
`21:51.18`		`chikorita <~Chikumz33@205.197.171.229> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 40m 24s ago, saying: 'bbl'.`
`21:51.25`	`bzgirl`	`hi Chestal`
`21:51.26`	`Legolas`	`back :)`
`21:51.34`	`KR`	`she was here not long ago`
`21:51.35`	`Legolas`	`hey ches`
`21:51.40`	`KR`	`less than 40 mins`
`21:51.40`	`patlabor221`	`she was looking for you.`
`21:51.52`	`bzgirl`	`yeah`
`21:52.01`	`KR`	`hi ches bzg`
`21:53.49`	`bzgirl`	`kr didnt look for that band yet, but im posting some "songs to vacum your house to" tonight :)`
`21:54.03`	`Chestal`	`those must be loud songs`
`21:54.18`	`bzgirl`	`Chestal: loud is all I know :)`
`21:54.27`	`bryjen`	`woah. I can drive under pyramids with BU.`
`21:54.32`	`KR`	`lol cool _ I need to vacuum :)`
`21:54.36`	`KR`	`good timing`
`21:54.46`	`KR`	`lol ches`
`21:55.42`	`bzgirl`	`do these files come with 1.9 win32? wbolt.rqb, wlaser.rqb, wtbolt.rqb.`
`21:56.04`	`bryjen`	`and I think there's something up with un-burrowing and jumping.`
`21:56.07`	`brlcad`	`they're "supposed to"`
`21:56.34`	`Chestal`	`grmpf, jsut when I was looking forward to watch one or two more Voy episodes I sit down all relaxed with by beer here just to notice that these episodes are in an exe cancer inducing resolution`
`21:56.36`	`brlcad`	`'cept they're rgb not rqb`
`21:57.08`	`bryjen`	`what color starts with a q ?`
`21:57.22`	`KR`	`lol`
`21:57.42`	`KR`	`hey - did any of ya'll watch "firefly" when it was on Fox?`
`21:57.57`	`bryjen`	`KR: I saw some`
`21:57.57`	`KR`	`coming out as a movie someitme, reportedly`
`21:58.12`	`KR`	`DVD of the TV episodes will be out Dec`
`21:58.18`	`brlcad`	`it's the "red and quantized blue" image format`
`21:59.13`	`bryjen`	`its digital, they're all quantized`
`22:00.27`	`bryjen`	`brlcad: I was driving _under_ pyramids on the ground with BU`
`22:00.51`	`bryjen`	`or patlabor221 or Chestal or any other developer`
`22:02.18`	`brlcad`	`bryjen: woa.. -- that's interesting; was this roger or regular user driving? (not implying that it matters -- just curious)`
`22:02.45`	`bryjen`	`brlcad: i 1st noticed it watching Roger, and then duplicated it myself`
`22:04.09`	`Chestal`	`yes, it's a known bug, more or less`
`22:05.16`	`bryjen`	`brlcad: I also managed to get kicked from you're no-jump server for going too high out of bounds`
`22:06.16`	`bryjen`	`not sure how I managed that`
`22:06.24`	`brlcad`	`I'm not sure either`
`22:06.52`	`bryjen`	`and, no, i was not cheating ;)`
`22:07.26`	`bryjen`	`I actually did go up in the air somehow`
`22:11.22`	`bryjen`	`i think i'll use a motorized vehicle`
`22:12.19`	`Nidhoggr`	`I still have an hour and 15 minutes before I can go home.`
`22:12.28`	`Nidhoggr`	`and I didn't get a lunch, today.`
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`22:13.02`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hi #bzflag`
`22:14.45`	`Chestal`	`hi monkey`
`22:15.20`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hi ches`
`22:15.52`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`anyone know if hashmark server is gone?`
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`22:35.43`	`*** join/#bzflag SoylentOrbo (~1000@66-65-51-241.nyc.rr.com)`
`22:44.07`	`bzgirl`	`hi SoylentOrbo`
`22:44.36`	`SoylentOrbo`	`Hola Ang`
`22:44.47`	`k`	`bzg - going to be a betatester on the new Xandros 2`
`22:45.01`	`k`	`just found out today (KR here)`
`22:45.28`	`bzgirl`	`your going to test it? did you manage to get it on the net yet?`
`22:46.10`	`k`	`yeah - I did a dist upgrade today using just testing sources in apt, all OK now`
`22:46.18`	`k`	`was mixing sources before...`
`22:46.52`	`k`	`but Xan 2 is a diff thingy - this is/was their "techPreview" distro`
`22:47.10`	`k`	`but by now, is not really xandros anymore :0`
`22:47.21`	`k`	`just deb`
`22:48.23`	`bzgirl`	`didnt they used to be Corel?`
`22:48.51`	`k`	`the distro did, yes`
`22:49.20`	`k`	`xan bought their IP and started anew`
`22:49.56`	`bzgirl`	`i like your "No ambush" CTF" idea, but spawning the capturing team in their own half might be trouble if their flag isnt in their half`
`22:50.05`	`SoylentOrbo`	`Wasn't it rhpm-based when it wsa Corel?`
`22:50.46`	`k`	`thx bzg - good point`
`22:51.08`	`k`	`soylent, not sure, might have to go dust off that old retail box and look`
`22:51.20`	`bzgirl`	`SoylentOrbo: im not sure, i wasnt "linux aware" when corel was out :)`
`22:51.23`	`k`	`I installed Corel years ago, didn't like it`
`22:51.41`	`k`	`somehow it wiped my win partition on install`
`22:51.57`	`bzgirl`	`what didnt you like about that? :)`
`22:52.09`	`SoylentOrbo`	`I remember seeing them at LinuxWorld a few years back, but almost nothing about it, really. Just wished I'd won a copy of Wordperfect at the booth show at the time.`
`22:52.09`	`k`	`and tho I was no hardcore penguin, I knew how to do an install w/out doing that myself :)`
`22:52.27`	`k`	`lol bzg`
`22:52.44`	`k`	`xann just gave away over 1k copies at the last LW`
`22:54.10`	`SoylentOrbo`	`LWSF, not NY`
`22:54.32`	`k`	`it really is a newbie distro, but I'm always trying to get "converts", so I support them`
`22:54.39`	`k`	`soylent - yes`
`22:55.07`	`SoylentOrbo`	`If I can finally get a new laptop I'm considering Knoppix rather than pure Deb, but I've been running this system for too long to switch just now.`
`22:55.45`	`k`	`either way you owe SCO $700 more...`
`22:55.51`	`k`	`:)`
`22:55.52`	`bzgirl`	`heh`
`22:55.57`	`k`	`lol`
`22:56.13`	`SoylentOrbo`	`I owe SCO exactly fertilizer`
`22:56.24`	`SoylentOrbo`	`I don't run jfs anyhow :)`
`22:56.48`	`Chestal`	`ambushing really isn't that much of a problem when the defending team is clever`
`22:56.56`	`k`	`yeah, but I'll bet there's some malloc() code in there somewhere ;)`
`22:57.02`	`Chestal`	`I still find it bad style in a lot of cases, though`
`22:57.04`	`bzgirl`	`well you can wait to spawn in Chestal`
`22:57.17`	`bzgirl`	`but many players look for late spawners`
`22:57.21`	`Chestal`	`bzgirl: exactly, wait tuntl enemy has flag, then spawn in their back`
`22:57.23`	`bzgirl`	`like you :)`
`22:57.36`	`Chestal`	`it's still a good tactic`
`22:57.36`	`SoylentOrbo`	`The only thing I consider particularly evil is gm camping someone else's base`
`22:57.46`	`k`	`actually, the 2nd idea came as I was writing the first - I like it better, actually (tug o war)`
`22:57.51`	`Chestal`	`only counter tactic would be to have two attackers, one gets the flag, the other guards for late spawners`
`22:58.06`	`k`	`seen that done ches :)`
`22:58.12`	`k`	`done it meselfs :)`
`22:58.12`	`SoylentOrbo`	`Chaestal: how can you do that unless the spawn point is always known?`
`22:58.35`	`Chestal`	`Soylent: we're talkign after a capture`
`22:58.36`	`SoylentOrbo`	`(doh, nm) Finally realize what we're talking about`
`22:58.39`	`k`	`CTF base is so small is easy`
`22:58.43`	`bzgirl`	`well Chestal, notice in the base, you never spawn facing out, this would help you at least i think to be turned toward the others`
`22:58.46`	`Tupone`	`Chestal: offering patch for seeing Region. Accept?`
`22:58.50`	`SoylentOrbo`	`nand taking the flag when it reappears. right.`
`22:59.08`	`bzgirl`	`SoylentOrbo: yep`
`22:59.20`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: ok, will hopefully have time to look at it tomorrow`
`22:59.33`	`SoylentOrbo`	`The only truly evil thing I like to do is leave SR flags in others' bases. :)`
`22:59.46`	`k`	`lol`
`23:00.55`	`Chestal`	`ambushign can lead to anotehr interestign situation: it splits the map in two halves: a red half and a green one, where the red half is the one with the green base and vice versa`
`23:01.10`	`Chestal`	`tha tis when all of the players ambush`
`23:01.21`	`SoylentOrbo`	`hmmm`
`23:01.22`	`Chestal`	`but then of course the capturer will probably still be near home base`
`23:02.10`	`k`	`what'd you think of the Tug of war idea?`
`23:02.23`	`Chestal`	`hmm, not sure`
`23:02.49`	`Chestal`	`too late to think about it anyway for me. Off to bed. Cu`
`23:03.00`	`bzgirl`	`night ches`
`23:03.10`	`k`	`nbye ches`
`23:03.15`	`k`	`"n" :)`
`23:03.18`	`Tupone`	`bye ches`
`23:03.19`	`SoylentOrbo`	`tug of war? one off-team flag to fight over? sounds cool`
`23:03.21`	`SoylentOrbo`	`night Ches`
`23:03.34`	`bzgirl`	`i think it would be a fun style to try kr, specially with 2 shot league style`
`23:03.59`	`SoylentOrbo`	`good for a ratmaze, too`
`23:04.05`	`k`	`that's what i intended - perhaps should edit that in`
`23:04.25`	`bzgirl`	`anyhow supper time`
`23:04.39`	`k`	`if I am right, it wouldn't be hard to setup would it?`
`23:04.40`	`bzgirl`	`cu`
`23:04.45`	`k`	`nbye bzg`
`23:04.50`	`SoylentOrbo`	`enjoy, bzg`
`23:04.52`	`k`	`n n n n n n n`
`23:05.09`	`SoylentOrbo`	`"a simple matter of programming?"`
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`23:05.33`	`k`	`don't think it wouldtake any code, just map/flag setup`
`23:05.54`	`k`	`CTF style map, 1 flag ("killall")`
`23:06.14`	`k`	`except for maybe awarding points to the team which captures`
`23:06.16`	`SoylentOrbo`	`Well, you'd have to generate two bases with no flags, and one flag wihtout a team or base`
`23:06.32`	`k`	`hmm yeah`
`23:06.35`	`SoylentOrbo`	`or just one flag.. .I thought there would still be specials`
`23:06.51`	`k`	`just one`
`23:07.44`	`k`	`i guess you could put specials in easily enough`
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`23:08.04`	`Merry`	`hey guyths`
`23:08.16`	`SoylentOrbo`	`The killall has to arrive at a base, though`
`23:08.31`	`bryjen`	`~seen Bagheera`
`23:08.31`		`bagheera <~Bagheera@h-68-165-122-98.MCLNVA23.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 19m 27s ago, saying: 'must be that "elite" team joining'.`
`23:09.16`	`k`	`yeah, so I guess there would be more coding in it than I thought, but I didn't think that much about it :)`
`23:09.33`	`k`	`gimme a break ;)`
`23:09.37`	`k`	`lol`
`23:09.56`	`SoylentOrbo`	`I like the idea; I'm just trying to make it workable :)`
`23:10.06`	`k`	`j/k :)`
`23:10.28`	`SoylentOrbo`	`The yellow flag already exists (no antidotes, though if you use it), and it wouldn't be so hard to add a sixth color (black?)`
`23:11.27`	`SoylentOrbo`	`and the tug-o-war flag would have the property of destroying teams of every color except the base to which it was taken`
`23:11.42`	`k`	`SoylentOrbo: no flags on bases, killall flag that only works at bases, points for capturing team`
`23:11.43`	`Merry`	`he was on last night`
`23:11.52`	`SoylentOrbo`	`If I could understand the source code at all, I think even I could manage that one. :)`
`23:12.49`	`k`	`the killall flag would even kill the capturing team - that way no ambushes, game starts over in effect so that the race to get the flag is even`
`23:13.45`	`k`	`could make flag take color of team opposite the tank that is holding it`
`23:13.55`	`SoylentOrbo`	`A! Another good option, but I'd rather see that part as a server config item.`
`23:14.10`	`k`	`nah, that would be harder (what I said)`
`23:14.19`	`SoylentOrbo`	`in a two-team tug-o that would work, but not for three or four`
`23:14.27`	`k`	`exactly`
`23:14.28`	`SoylentOrbo`	`and yes, it would be :)`
`23:14.33`	`k`	`was what i was thinking`
`23:15.38`	`SoylentOrbo`	`Or make it a rainbow flag; Spoogebob and the other homophobes would never touch it :)`
`23:15.53`	`k`	`lol`
`23:23.18`	`learner`	`bzg had a great idea/point there ..`
`23:23.56`	`k`	`yes I agree`
`23:23.57`	`learner`	`your entry spawn direction is presently random, iirc. it would be perhaps useful to point the tank towards the closest opposing tank`
`23:25.33`	`learner`	`perhaps not "directly" at the closest enemy tank, but within, say, 15 degrees so you still turn and evade if necessary most of the time`
`23:25.58`	`k`	`at least not facing the wall`
`23:26.00`	`k`	`:)`
`23:27.14`	`learner`	`i'd think you'd want to point at the closest, or enemies would quickly learn to approach the base along the back wall, knowing they'll always have a good broadside or back shot`
`23:28.15`	`learner`	`btw, hi k :)`
`23:29.17`	`SoylentOrbo`	`I've been wanting that "without an enemy on your six" feature for a year or so since I discovered the game :)`
`23:36.29`	`k`	`hi learn - its KR`
`23:36.45`	`k`	`and its dindin time - c ya'll later`
`23:36.55`	`k`	`:)`
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